1 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,600 Please hold while we attempt to connect your call. 2 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,600 Have a seat right there. 3 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,440 - Here? - Right there. 4 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,920 We'll give you the... We'll give you the comfier seat. 5 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,680 I'm... John Lewin. 6 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,360 I'm a... I'm a deputy DA. 7 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,680 Do you mind if... Mr. Durst or Bob? You tell me. 8 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,720 - Bob is fine. - Okay. 9 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,600 So, Bob, basically, I'm from Los Angeles County 10 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,680 and I'm here to... to speak to you. 11 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:29,480 What I do, I do cold murder cases. 12 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,560 I'm surprised there are that many of those 13 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,080 that you have a full-time job working on them. 14 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,200 There's a certain image 15 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,240 even as... as a seasoned prosecutor 16 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,800 you have of... of a killer. 17 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,600 You can't help yourself. 18 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,240 And it's not Bob. 19 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,240 Before we... we start... 20 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,040 I wanna let you know that I feel like I know you. 21 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,401 Now, I've never met you. I feel like I know you very well. 22 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,320 You know, I know it's... it's probably a very 23 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,360 you know, uncomfortable day for you right now. 24 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,160 And if there's anything that I ask you 25 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,480 that you... that you don't wanna answer... 26 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:07,840 I won't answer it. 27 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:08,920 Okay. 28 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,160 Many times in Bob's life, in custody, outta custody 29 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:15,920 Bob has an option. 30 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,920 One door is keep your mouth shut and don't say anything 31 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,720 and one door is talk. 32 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,160 Bob always goes into the talk door. 33 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:26,880 Always. 34 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Detective Whelan... Mike's gonna advise you of your Miranda rights. 35 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,120 And are... Can we... Are you cold? 36 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,536 - Can we get you somethin'? - It is a little cold in here, yeah. 37 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:36,776 Do you want us to get you a blanket? 38 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,800 Yeah. 39 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,240 Here you go. 40 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,696 Do you want anything to drink? 41 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,720 Some coffee? 42 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,000 Coffee would be great. 43 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,520 Okay, only two rules on the coffee. 44 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,520 One, you can't throw it at either one of us, at any of us. 45 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,120 And you can't throw it on the computer. 46 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:56,920 - Fair enough? - Very fair. 47 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Okay, here you go. All right. 48 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,840 The reason I like cold cases is because people think they beat it. 49 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,200 I love being able to swoop in 50 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,800 and to basically be able to say 51 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,080 "Yeah, no, you didn't beat it. 52 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,280 You walked around for a long time. 53 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,080 You got a life to live you didn't deserve. 54 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,640 But eventually, you gotta pay the piper." 55 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,280 LA County Deputy District Attorney John Lewin 56 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,880 has spent decades prosecuting 57 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,080 complicated circumstantial murder cases. 58 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:37,200 The idea that it's not necessarily typical for a filmmaker 59 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:38,560 to call me up going 60 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,040 "Yeah, we've got evidence." 61 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,600 It's more than not necessarily typical. 62 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,320 It's... I mean, unheard of. 63 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,680 Again, I've done this a lotta years 64 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,120 with a lotta interesting cases, and that just doesn't happen. 65 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,760 I love circumstantial cold cases 66 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,480 and my expertise are circumstantial no-body cases. 67 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,680 So I knew all about Bob Durst. 68 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,960 Bob's wife Kathie had disappeared in Westchester back in 1982. 69 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,120 His best friend Susan Berman had been murdered in 2000. 70 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,800 And finally, his neighbor Morris Black 71 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,240 was killed and dismembered in Texas in 2001. 72 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,840 Well, nothing can be done about Morris Black. 73 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,040 He's already been acquitted. 74 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,960 Westchester has never done anything on Kathie Durst. 75 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,080 There are issues. 76 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,840 I don't think there's anything to go there. 77 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,200 The one to look at is the Susan Berman case. 78 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,720 It kinda offended me 79 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,320 as a detective 80 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,360 that this person 81 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,440 was able to get away 82 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,600 with three murders 83 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,400 because of all the privilege, money, power he had. 84 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,760 Homicide detectives have a saying... 85 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:13,920 "We work for God." 86 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,080 We try to get justice for the victim and his or her family. 87 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,960 So John Lewin and I started working on the case together. 88 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,600 We had a board. 89 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,840 On the board, we had the plan of action... 90 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,640 and people to be interviewed. 91 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,400 We ended up interviewing close to maybe 300 people. 92 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,920 I'm trying to put this case together, myself and detectives. 93 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,600 And here's the problem. 94 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,880 If we contact these witnesses and it gets back to Bob 95 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:52,640 Bob is gonna take off and we're not gonna see him again. 96 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,440 So I knew it was going to be a race 97 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,280 to get as far as we could before The Jinx came out. 98 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Just before The Jinx is unveiled 99 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,520 Bob is living in Houston. 100 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,600 He's still flitting around the country 101 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:11,920 but his permanent address 102 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,840 is more or less in Houston. 103 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,680 So he was completely free, right 104 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,816 - at that point... - Absolutely. 105 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,600 And I think he would be free today 106 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,640 if he had just kept his trap shut. 107 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,560 The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst 108 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,440 is a new six-part HBO documentary series. 109 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,440 It details the case of the heir 110 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,400 to a wealthy New York real estate family. 111 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,320 When The Jinx came out, it was a six-part miniseries. 112 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,000 And my prediction was 113 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,720 "This is going to be the biggest thing 114 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,200 to hit my office since OJ." 115 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,600 The multimillionaire real estate heir Robert Durst 116 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,160 in a new HBO documentary 117 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,680 he's answering all the charges for the first time. 118 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,296 What do you think at the end? 119 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,440 Do you reach a conclusion? 120 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,520 Well, I think that 121 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,536 what the audience will find when they get to the end of this 122 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:04,856 is that they're not scratching their heads. 123 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,440 When they get to the end of six episodes 124 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,280 they will know what happened. 125 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,200 who has been pressing, as you know 126 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,320 to see the finished episodes. 127 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,120 And he was sorta saying 128 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,840 "We're curious about whether you come to the conclusion 129 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,520 that he's guilty or he's not guilty. 130 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,080 But obviously, there's a concern 131 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,120 that there could be a prosecution, as a result of this 132 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,960 and we are, you know, very keen to see it as soon as possible." 133 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,456 I mean, I said to him, "Well, I know for sure 134 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,720 they'll let me show you one 135 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,840 you know, episode one, tomorrow or whatever." 136 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,400 And he said, "Well, then I might as well just wait for Sunday." 137 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:58,240 A teenage boy fishing in the shallow waters off Galveston, Texas 138 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,920 stumbled on the gruesome remains of a murder. 139 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,840 The Jinx started airing in February. 140 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,920 As each episode aired 141 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,880 Bob was watching from his home in Houston. 142 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,640 And he and I spoke after every episode. 143 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,600 Bob got away with murdering Kathie. 144 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,720 I need to know what happened to Kathie. 145 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,960 These are my notes from this time period. 146 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:24,760 I'd get his reaction. 147 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,160 "Hey, Charles Bagli. It's Robert Durst. 148 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:28,800 The second episode... 149 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,920 I don't have anything to say about it. 150 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,880 We've heard Kathie's family saying 151 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,560 'Why won't he tell us what he did with her?' 152 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,800 On and on. As if they actually expect me to say 153 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,000 'I put her over there near the lamppost.'" 154 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,920 Beverly Hills Police Department received a letter in the mail. 155 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,080 The envelope was addressed, "Beverley Hills Police" 156 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,280 and the note read, "Cadaver." 157 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:55,840 Can you think of a reason 158 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,520 why somebody might write a note like that? 159 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,280 I can't imagine. 160 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,760 By the third episode, he was thinking 161 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,360 "I'm in pretty good shape." 162 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,080 "What else can he put in those final episodes?" 163 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,240 So let me see the letter. 164 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,640 And, I mean, of course, I told you this, but... 165 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,560 He showed me a letter from Bob to Susan. 166 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,560 The address written on the front is exactly like the Cadaver Note 167 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,720 down to the misspelling of "Beverley." 168 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,280 So when Bob saw his letter on the TV, he got very nervous. 169 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,080 This seems to be proof positive that he killed Susan. 170 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,680 That is evidence. 171 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,880 When I called him after the fifth episode 172 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,320 there was a change in Bob. 173 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,320 He was clearly now worried. 174 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,600 "No, I'm sorta busy right now. 175 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:09,240 Let me get back to you, say, Wednesday. Bye-bye." 176 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,800 And I thought to myself, "Holy shit. He's gonna run." 177 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,520 In this past Sunday's show 178 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,040 the discovery of a potentially blockbuster piece of evidence 179 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,680 - Susan Berman... - March 2015... 180 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,280 we got evidence from FBI 181 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,360 that Robert Durst was on the run. 182 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,360 We also got evidence 183 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,160 that he was doing what's called money structuring. 184 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,640 He was withdrawing $9,000 almost daily. 185 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,120 When you withdraw cash money over $10,000 186 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,640 banks are required to report to the federal government 187 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,440 as a suspicious activity, and he was trying to avoid that. 188 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,200 He was making withdrawals of $9,000. 189 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,960 Why would he want that cash unless he was gonna run? 190 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,640 And if he left the country 191 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,640 went to some country we didn't have an extradition treaty 192 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,600 we would have a very difficult time of bringing him back. 193 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,440 And my captain told me 194 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,760 "Whatever you do, don't let Bob Durst get away." 195 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,200 When it came time to track him 196 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:26,600 I was brought in to help 197 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:27,856 with the technical side of that 198 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,720 where we were able to get up on his cell phone. 199 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,400 We got his cell phone records. 200 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,640 LAPD was able to obtain a wiretap 201 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,080 which allows us to see the numbers 202 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,360 calling into and out of Bob's cell phone. 203 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,480 The last cell tower that I was able to map 204 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,680 put him heading eastbound on Interstate 10 205 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,840 leaving the area of Houston. 206 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,960 So we realized his phone had been turned off 207 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,200 and then it wasn't active for several hours. 208 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,320 LAPD, the FBI in LA, us in New York 209 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,040 we were all really pushing. 210 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,360 We were like, "We need to get him in custody right away." 211 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,360 Our greatest concern came true, and that was scary. 212 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,240 Bob has always seemed to have been 213 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,400 one step ahead of everybody for the most part. 214 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,640 And this was just a kinda déjà vu moment. 215 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,240 So we had to scramble to get a search warrant 216 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,520 for his apartment in Houston. 217 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,360 We went to search the apartment, and we got the surveillance. 218 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,720 We sent a team of four detectives to his apartment... 219 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,040 and we did a search there. 220 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,240 His phone was gone. 221 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,480 He left his checkbooks and credit cards in there. 222 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,640 Clearly, he was not gonna use them 'cause we would have tracked it. 223 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,040 There was some evidence of him taking stuff out, or somebody else. 224 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,280 But apartment was cleaned. It was cleaned out. 225 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:29,400 Okay. 226 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,080 My name is Chris Lovell. 227 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,280 C... C-H-R-I-S, L-O-V-E-double I. 228 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:40,920 In one of the more 229 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000 surprising verdicts 230 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,080 in recent court history 231 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,280 a jury in Galveston, Texas today 232 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:48,760 found a wealthy man innocent of murdering another man 233 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,960 even after he admitted he cut up the victim's body 234 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,160 and disposed of it. 235 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,760 Chris Lovell was one of the jurors in the Galveston case 236 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,160 that immediately befriended Bob. 237 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,520 As soon as the trial was over 238 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,520 they formed a relationship. 239 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,920 I think he was enamored with Bob 240 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,520 because Bob is incredibly wealthy. 241 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,960 He was hoping that would provide some financial rewards. 242 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,600 With what was presented to me 243 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,760 absolutely, positively, a hundred percent. 244 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,560 With what was presented to me. Yes, sir. 245 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,280 I've never seen or heard of a juror 246 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:26,960 forming a relationship with a defendant after trial. 247 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,360 But then, most defendants aren't extremely wealthy 248 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,560 with sort of a celebrity status. 249 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,960 I think that Bob trusted Chris 250 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,320 and I think that Chris Lovell will do whatever Bob says. 251 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,720 I didn't set out to be his... 252 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,120 Robert Durst's friend. 253 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:51,840 It just kind of evolved into that. 254 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,840 I just set out to get some... some questions answered in my mind. 255 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,160 But it has evolved into a friendship 256 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,760 and... and I don't have a problem with him at all. 257 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,120 It is astounding that 12 years after a murder trial 258 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,320 one of the jurors is helping Bob 259 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,200 make his getaway. 260 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,800 That apartment was sanitized. 261 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,560 We did not find any critical evidence. 262 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,920 There was a box on top of the bed in the bedroom. 263 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,920 In that box, there was mementos... 264 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,280 Susan Berman's photos, Kathie Durst's photos. 265 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,080 To this day, I think it was staged for him to say that 266 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,600 "I cared about these people." 267 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,080 But he was sort of playing games. 268 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,000 I'm sittin' there, listening to the wiretap Saturday 269 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,960 before the last episode of The Jinx aired. 270 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,480 And I hear a phone call come into Bob's cell phone. 271 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,480 Hello, you've reached the Jitterbug voicemail for... 272 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:03,720 Bob. 273 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,800 And I could hear Bob trying to log into his voicemail 274 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,080 using his PIN number. 275 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,720 So it's like beep... beep. 276 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,000 And he was unsuccessful. He was actually getting frustrated. 277 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,600 Shit. 278 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,160 No. 279 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,120 So I knew it was Bob. 280 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,120 So I quickly ran the number that was calling into his voicemail 281 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,080 and it came back to the JW Marriott in New Orleans. 282 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,600 FBI office in New Orleans responded there 283 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,160 to attempt to locate Bob. 284 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,920 Special agent checked with the hotel register. 285 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,320 There was no Bob Durst registered at the hotel. 286 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,880 So he decided to set up surveillance. 287 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,160 Sure enough, about three hours later... 288 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Bob walked in. 289 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,640 It just seemed like everything was colliding. 290 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,000 It was all coming to a head at once. 291 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,160 One of the FBI agents said, "Robert Durst?" 292 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,680 And Bob kinda stopped. 293 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,920 So they started talking to him. 294 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,280 And then a woman is walking by, a guest in the hotel... 295 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,080 and she said, "Oh, is that Bob Durst?" 296 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,160 She had just been watching The Jinx 297 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,560 so she recognized him. 298 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,120 You can't make this stuff up. 299 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,240 But Bob is now famous. 300 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,480 As good as Bob can be or as lucky as Bob is 301 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,960 about evading capture 302 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,600 you know, he screwed up and... and we caught him. 303 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,240 I was contacted and I was told, "Okay, he's been arrested." 304 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,440 The FBI agents asked Bob if he had any ID... 305 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,800 so he took them up to his room. 306 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,840 When they end up going into the room, they find drugs... 307 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,920 a bunch of money... 308 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,240 a loaded firearm... 309 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,960 and a map of Cuba. 310 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,320 There was also a very expensive latex mask. 311 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,040 Did you ever have an opinion 312 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,920 about what the mask was gonna be for? 313 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,760 Did he ever express that? 314 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,520 Do I have an opinion? 315 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,640 The mask was gonna be used to disguise himself 316 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,960 to flee the country, is what I believe. 317 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,160 It... it was not Halloween. 318 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,520 The plan was Bob was gonna take off for Cuba... 319 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,520 never to return. 320 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,960 And of course, that didn't happen. 321 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,080 We all knew you were gonna flee at some point. 322 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,120 I mean, I assume that you're not denying 323 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,920 that you were in the process of fleeing. 324 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,800 I'm not denying I was in the process of... 325 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,936 Yeah, right. And I think the reason you're not doing it is 326 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,760 you know it's obvious there's... let me go another way. 327 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,160 Why are you still here? How come you're not in Cuba? 328 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,560 I don't get it. 329 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,880 I had made arrangements. 330 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,240 I had considered the possibility. 331 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,120 I had looked here and looked there. 332 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,240 But I had never really said, "You know what? 333 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,280 They're gonna come after me. 334 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,760 I've gotta get far away where they can't get me." 335 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,080 I guess, inertia. 336 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,760 I just didn't really... really think 337 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,120 that I was gonna end up arrested. 338 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,480 Being a fugitive was... was not something I did well. 339 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,480 Authorities arrested Robert Durst 340 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,880 in New Orleans, Saturday 341 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,640 on a Los Angeles County warrant. 342 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,720 Tonight, Robert Durst is behind bars 343 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,600 arrested overnight in the lobby of a New Orleans hotel 344 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,880 accused of killing a female friend in Los Angeles 15 years ago. 345 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,456 The investigation got a boost 346 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,520 thanks to new evidence revealed in a documentary series 347 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,480 that Durst willingly participated in. 348 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,320 Last night's arrest comes just hours before tonight's finale. 349 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,520 The director promises tonight's final installment 350 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,360 will answer questions people have been asking for decades. 351 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,440 That night after Bob's arrest 352 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,680 we all went to a screening for the families of the victims 353 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,640 at your house for the last episode of The Jinx. 354 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,560 It was kind of like a meeting of an old club. 355 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,920 You had investigators, prosecutors. 356 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,200 You had witnesses. 357 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,640 And then you had Kathie's family 358 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,240 Jim McCormack, his wife Sharon 359 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,320 and their daughter 360 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,400 who was the spitting image of Kathie. 361 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,400 You gave us a call to screen the final episode of The Jinx. 362 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,520 The sixth episode. 363 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,640 I knew that you had something special to show us. 364 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,120 Also there was Jeanine Pirro 365 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,320 the former DA 366 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,200 in Westchester County 367 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,080 and Cody Cazalas 368 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,440 the detective who had carried 369 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,120 the case in Galveston. 370 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,920 So there's dozens of people 371 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000 riveted by what's unfolding on the screen 372 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,800 and what the final episode will reveal. 373 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,840 Oh, God, the "B" is exactly the same. 374 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,040 Son of a bitch. 375 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:42,600 He actually told me he was in Madrid. 376 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,480 And as the episode progresses... 377 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,880 the room got quieter and quieter. 378 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,680 So... 379 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,480 so obviously, I wanna ask you about the Cadaver Note. 380 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,920 The famous Cadaver Note. 381 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,896 Can you read me the spelling of... 382 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,216 - "Beverley Hills..." - "Beverley Hills Police 383 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,320 1527 Benedict Canyon, Cadaver." 384 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,016 So you wrote one of these, but you didn't write the other one. 385 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,760 I wrote this one, but I did not write the Cadaver one. 386 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,360 And can you tell me which one you didn't write? 387 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,840 No. 388 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,560 I am going to go use the restroom, which is right here. 389 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,960 Or maybe this is the bathroom. 390 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,480 - Yeah, that's... - You're right. This is the bathroom. 391 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,560 Oh, my God. 392 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,920 - Honey. - Holy shit. 393 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,360 Oh, my God. 394 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Oh, my God. 395 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,480 "Killed them all." 396 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,280 I heard it, and then it kinda settles in. 397 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,040 You'd hate to use the word "closure" 398 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,920 'cause we still had a long road to travel. 399 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,720 But at least for that point in time, we finally had closure 400 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,240 that he was finally admitting the truth. 401 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,160 Yeah. 402 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,680 Oh, it's definitely a confession. 403 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,000 I mean, right, Cody? 404 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,720 Yeah. 405 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,760 - They can use that? - Yeah. He wasn't in custody. 406 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,520 Still had the mic on. 407 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,240 It doesn't matter. 408 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,240 He wasn't in custody. 409 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,920 It was not an interrogation. 410 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,120 And then, all of a sudden, it seems to be everywhere. 411 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,480 Real estate heir Robert Durst 412 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,760 admitting to, quote... 413 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,000 "killing them all." 414 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,760 Robert Durst said he killed them all. 415 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,440 They are the five words everyone is talking about this week. 416 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,120 "Killed them all, of course." 417 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,200 Killed them all. 418 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,280 Killed them all. 419 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,360 "Of course, I killed them all." 420 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,120 For the first time, it came out of his mouth 421 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,280 what I have felt for a long time 422 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,360 in my heart. 423 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,800 The revelation was like something we've been waiting for for 33 years. 424 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,400 Well, they got him. 425 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,760 Durst was arrested on Saturday 426 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,080 the day before the shocking finale of that documentary series. 427 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,040 You know, I... I've seen... 428 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,240 I've seen all the interviews that you did with Andrew. 429 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,920 So the whole long weekend 430 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,200 when I did the interviews for The Jinx... 431 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,440 - Yeah. - I was on meth. 432 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,320 The whole time, I was on meth. 433 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,080 And when I looked at the little pieces of it... 434 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,040 I was like, I... I just... it was... should have been obvious. 435 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960 Surprised my lawyer let me go ahead with it 436 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,360 'cause it just... I looked like there was something going on. 437 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,960 Well, so, Bob, 'cause before you go any further on that... 438 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,080 certain things I know. 439 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,016 And you seem like a straight shooter. 440 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,840 I assume you would prefer that I be a straight shooter 441 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,520 - and not a bullshitter, right? - Sure. 442 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,880 Okay, I'm a straight shooter. 443 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,560 What you just told me is bullshit. 444 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480 I'm not trying to say that my answers were wrong. 445 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,920 I'm just trying to say I was gah... gah during the thing. 446 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,800 I... think that what I said were the correct answers 447 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,200 to... to questions. 448 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,520 And, you know, there begins this conversation 449 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,040 that sounds almost like a plea bargain. 450 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,880 You know, it's... it's... like I said before 451 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:07,960 this is all voluntary. 452 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,760 - It's com... - No, I hear you 453 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,640 and I have no problem with what you're saying. 454 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,720 Okay. 455 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760 But what's going through my mind is... 456 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,200 - if I tell you what I know... - Okay. 457 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,040 that answers your questions 458 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,760 what can you possibly do for me? 459 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,600 Okay, let me... I'll... I'll... I can tell you, Bob... 460 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,480 I'm very willing to talk to you. 461 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,600 And as I said, I'm 72. 462 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,240 You know what I want, correct? 463 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,720 Yes. You'd like some details from me if I knew... 464 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,040 - Yes. - about where Kathie's body is. 465 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,840 And about what happened to Susan. Those... 466 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,440 And about what happened with Susan. 467 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,360 And... and you would agree that you're in the position if you want 468 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,040 to tell me more than you have so far... 469 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,760 About that, I'm not about to go that far. 470 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,960 - Okay. - But... 471 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,080 Well, but wait a minute. You're telling me though... 472 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,400 Then I wanna understand when you're saying 473 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,520 "Tell me what..." 474 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,360 Well, you asked me what I thought you wanted to hear. 475 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,120 I think what you wanted to hear 476 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,080 to make Ann McCormack happy is, "What did you do with Kathie?" 477 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,440 Right. 478 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,840 And I think you want me to go through details of... of Susan. 479 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,240 - I do. - Okay, so now... 480 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,240 what would I ask for? 481 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160 - Tell me. - If I tell you those things 482 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,040 - I'm pleading guilty. - Okay. 483 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,720 And I'm pleading guilty 484 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,480 I'm gonna be going back to Los Angeles, to California 485 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,720 and doing my time. 486 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,440 Well, I... now, I've got a question. 487 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,960 Is there, so, for instance, something that... 488 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,800 And I... and I... that I would have to see is 489 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,440 would it be better doing your time in a different place? 490 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,720 - Are you better doing it... - Yes... 491 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,016 That's just what we're getting to. 492 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,680 - Okay, tell me. - What could you do? 493 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,000 Well, I don't know what the question is yet. 494 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,200 And... and I will tell you that after New Orleans 495 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,320 I was very annoyed 496 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,960 because I felt at the end of that interview 497 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,160 that I was ten minutes away from a confession. 498 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,240 When we... sit down to do an agreement... 499 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,440 And I would expect by Monday 500 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,160 I will have chosen a lawyer in Los Angeles... 501 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,320 And over time, what I've realized is, and as a big football fan... 502 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,640 I was down at the five-yard line. 503 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,880 But I was never going to get that confession. 504 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,880 See, I'm not about to... say to you... 505 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,000 What is your name again? 506 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,280 - John. - John. 507 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,880 I'm not about to say to you 508 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,280 "John, this is it," without my lawyer being here. 509 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,200 Okay, okay. Well, listen, and that's... and that's your right. 510 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,680 And you realize, "Oh, okay. 511 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,040 It wasn't that I was so great getting down to the five-yard line. 512 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,480 It's that he really wasn't playing any defense 513 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,280 and he's not gonna let me get into the end zone." 514 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,360 So are you willin' to talk to me after court today? 515 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,760 - Sure. - Okay, all right. 516 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,040 We'll head to court. 517 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,720 And he said he would talk to me. 518 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,280 And of course... 519 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,800 that didn't happen. 520 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,800 So now, Bob was in custody in New Orleans. 521 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,000 And who was the first person to fly down to New Orleans 522 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,080 and visit Bob in jail? 523 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,480 Hi. 524 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,280 Hi. 525 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,120 How ya doin'? 526 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,200 Doin' all right. How are you doing? 527 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,720 I'm doing fine. 528 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,840 I'm sorry. This is the way 529 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,200 they do visitation here. 530 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,360 Debbie served 531 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,920 as Bob's wife 532 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,480 confidante, and advisor. 533 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,280 You see me in my jumper? 534 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,440 No, I can barely. 535 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,160 Hold on a second. Let me stood up. 536 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,200 Okay, I see it. 537 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,200 I see it. 538 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,880 Ai-yi-yi. 539 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,800 You actually look pretty good. 540 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,600 Thank you. 541 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,920 Your hair looks very bushy, by the way. 542 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,720 Nah, it's just hair, you know? You know I have a lotta hair. 543 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,400 Bob got from Debbie a safe harbor 544 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,520 a place that he could always go 545 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,360 where there were no questions asked. 546 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,200 He had absolute trust in her. 547 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,560 What I would like to do going forward 548 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,520 to pay my bills 549 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,400 and spending the money on the legal defense 550 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,840 sell the apartment complex, sell the two condos. 551 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,560 Yeah. And I think you should keep your apartment in Houston. 552 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,720 And if you... I think the thing you should sell here 553 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,120 is the apartment building. 554 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,160 The... the real estate in the Hamptons 555 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,280 has that gone up much? Is that way up? 556 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,320 Crazy. 557 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,520 So if we have that today to sell, what would we ask for it? 558 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,600 I don't know. It's probably worth twenty. 559 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,360 Interesting. 560 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440 So the second person to visit Bob in New Orleans 561 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,440 might have been Dick DeGuerin. 562 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,920 One of the same lawyers that got him off in Texas. 563 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,160 Once Bob was arrested... 564 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,040 I got to New Orleans 565 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,120 as quickly as I could 566 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,960 which was about the next day. 567 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,400 And that's when I first saw Bob. 568 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,920 Bob saw my dedication to his defense in Galveston. 569 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,680 Bob Durst is not guilty of murder. 570 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,720 It's hard to argue with success. 571 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,960 Will the defendant please rise? 572 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,840 We, the jury, find the defendant, Robert Durst, not guilty. 573 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,320 Bob Durst didn't buy his way to freedom. 574 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,440 It wasn't his money that influenced this... this jury. 575 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,760 It was the facts, or the lack of facts. 576 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,280 I understand that you want Dick DeGuerin on your team. 577 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,560 I don't blame you. 578 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,600 He... did wonderful things for you in the past. 579 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,200 Bob did have this infinite trust in DeGuerin. 580 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,400 So he authorized Dick to assemble a defense team. 581 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,320 Dick DeGuerin reaches out to a friend, David Chesnoff. 582 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,400 A very prominent figure in Las Vegas. 583 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,600 He is the go-to guy for any celebrity 584 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,760 any professional athlete 585 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,240 any bad guy that gets into trouble. 586 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,240 He is very adept at making problems go away. 587 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,960 Chesnoff's a brilliant lawyer. 588 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,920 He's a strategically-thinking lawyer. 589 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,240 I've always been interested in fighting for the underdog. 590 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,016 In the old days, if you were 591 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,240 a celebrated person 592 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,920 you got breaks. 593 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,640 Now, if you're a celebrated person, it's worse. 594 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,760 The more famous you are, the tougher it is. 595 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,440 It's like a populist thing. 596 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,680 Their chance to get even with the rich person. 597 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,240 I think we had a hell of a team. 598 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,360 We had one goal, and that was to defend Bob Durst. 599 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,320 I met this David Chesner, and he... seems very bright. 600 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,960 I think the team that you have is great. 601 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,840 So there are now prominent lawyers 602 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,920 assembled for Bob's defense team. 603 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,360 Were you also listening to his calls from prison at point, from jail? 604 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,040 When Bob got arrested in New Orleans 605 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,000 he made repeated calls. 606 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,800 I listened to every call there. 607 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,080 When he was in Louisiana, he was a nonstop talkfest. 608 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,360 From the moment Bob was arrested in New Orleans 609 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,200 he was reaching out to old friends 610 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,880 looking to see who can he rely on. 611 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,080 He was seeking both emotional support 612 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,400 and to see who would be on his side. 613 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,080 The people around Bob helped him 614 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,400 whether it was consciously or unconsciously 615 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,800 go on for so many years without consequence. 616 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,720 I like to think that if a good friend of mine 617 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,480 is suddenly implicated 618 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,840 in one, two, three murders 619 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,400 that I would recoil from that. 620 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,320 But who knows until you're tested?