1 00:00:11,803 --> 00:00:14,764 (insects chirping) 2 00:00:14,806 --> 00:00:17,517 (water lapping) 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,562 (phone dialing) 4 00:00:20,645 --> 00:00:23,648 (tense music playing) 5 00:00:25,817 --> 00:00:28,153 (line ringing) 6 00:00:30,363 --> 00:00:33,616 -(alligator hissing) -(line ringing) 7 00:00:36,786 --> 00:00:39,039 -(line ringing) -operator (on phone): Please hold 8 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:41,499 while we attempt to connect your call. 9 00:00:41,541 --> 00:00:42,584 (beep) 10 00:00:43,585 --> 00:00:44,836 (Robert Durst speaking) 11 00:00:45,086 --> 00:00:46,338 (Steven Rabinowitz speaking) 12 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:52,844 (lights clicking) 13 00:01:48,483 --> 00:01:50,235 (dramatic sting) 14 00:01:50,318 --> 00:01:53,571 (ominous music playing) 15 00:01:58,243 --> 00:02:01,204 (quiet chatter) 16 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:03,039 speaker: Have a seat right there. 17 00:02:03,081 --> 00:02:04,332 -Durst: Here? -speaker: Right there. 18 00:02:04,416 --> 00:02:05,542 John Lewin: Give you the, uh, 19 00:02:05,583 --> 00:02:07,419 we'll give you the comfier seat. 20 00:02:07,502 --> 00:02:10,088 -(papers shuffle, chairs scrape) -(groans) 21 00:02:10,170 --> 00:02:12,298 I'm, uh, I'm John Lewin. 22 00:02:12,382 --> 00:02:14,801 I am a-- I'm a deputy DA. 23 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:19,055 Do you mind if-- 24 00:02:19,097 --> 00:02:21,558 Mr. Durst or Bob? You-You tell me. 25 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:25,812 -Durst: Um, Bob is fine. -Lewin: Okay. Um, so, Bob, basically, 26 00:02:27,022 --> 00:02:29,107 I'm from Los Angeles County, 27 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:31,818 and-and I'm here to, to speak to you. 28 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:35,780 What I do, I do cold murder cases. 29 00:02:36,281 --> 00:02:38,783 Durst: I'm surprised there are that many of those 30 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:41,911 that you have a full-time job working on them. 31 00:02:43,788 --> 00:02:44,622 There's a certain image, 32 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:46,958 even as a, as a seasoned prosecutor, 33 00:02:47,042 --> 00:02:49,668 you have of, of a killer. 34 00:02:50,045 --> 00:02:54,382 You can't help yourself. And it's not Bob. 35 00:02:54,466 --> 00:02:57,135 Lewin: Before we, we start, 36 00:02:57,218 --> 00:02:59,471 I wanna let you know that, um, 37 00:02:59,512 --> 00:03:02,057 I feel like I know you. Now, I've never met you. 38 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:04,309 I feel like I know you very well. 39 00:03:04,392 --> 00:03:07,312 You know, I know it's a, it's probably a very, you know, 40 00:03:07,354 --> 00:03:09,481 uncomfortable day for you right now. 41 00:03:09,522 --> 00:03:12,317 And if there's anything that I ask you 42 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,194 that you, that you don't wanna answer-- 43 00:03:14,277 --> 00:03:16,488 -Durst: I won't answer it. -Lewin: Okay. 44 00:03:17,489 --> 00:03:19,324 Many times in Bob's life, 45 00:03:19,407 --> 00:03:22,827 in custody, outta custody, 46 00:03:22,911 --> 00:03:24,079 Bob has an option. 47 00:03:24,162 --> 00:03:26,664 One door is 48 00:03:26,706 --> 00:03:29,292 keep your mouth shut and don't say anything, 49 00:03:29,334 --> 00:03:31,711 (laughs) and one door is talk. 50 00:03:31,795 --> 00:03:35,340 Bob always goes into the talk door. Always. 51 00:03:35,382 --> 00:03:38,093 Detective Whelan, Mike's gonna advise you 52 00:03:38,176 --> 00:03:40,553 of your Miranda rights, and-- 53 00:03:40,637 --> 00:03:43,180 Are-- Can we-- Are you cold? Can we get you something? 54 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:44,808 speaker: It is a little cold in here, yeah. 55 00:03:44,849 --> 00:03:46,935 -Lewin: Do you want us to get you a blanket? -speaker: Do-- Yeah. 56 00:03:47,018 --> 00:03:49,813 Lewin: Here you go. Do you want, do you want anything to drink? 57 00:03:49,853 --> 00:03:52,440 -Some coffee? -Durst: Coffee would be great. 58 00:03:52,524 --> 00:03:56,194 (gentle piano playing) 59 00:03:56,611 --> 00:03:59,656 Lewin: Okay, only two rules on the coffee. 60 00:03:59,698 --> 00:04:03,284 One, you can't throw it at either one of us, at any of us. 61 00:04:03,368 --> 00:04:05,787 And you can't throw it on the computer. Fair enough? 62 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:09,374 -Durst: Very fair. -Lewin: Okay, here you go. Alright. 63 00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:13,586 The reason I like cold cases 64 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:17,589 is because people think they beat it. 65 00:04:17,673 --> 00:04:21,553 I love being able to swoop in, 66 00:04:21,636 --> 00:04:25,890 and to basically be able to say, "Yeah, no, you didn't beat it. 67 00:04:26,599 --> 00:04:28,935 "You walked around for a long time. 68 00:04:29,019 --> 00:04:31,896 "You got a life to live you didn't deserve. 69 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:35,900 But eventually, you gotta pay the piper." 70 00:04:39,154 --> 00:04:41,406 (Durst and Lewin speaking) 71 00:04:56,796 --> 00:05:00,050 ("Survivor" by Nathaniel Rateliff & The Night Sweats playing) 72 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:02,969 ♪ Well, you just think that I'm ♪ 73 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:07,557 ♪ Some great survivor ♪ 74 00:05:09,559 --> 00:05:10,518 (static) 75 00:05:10,602 --> 00:05:12,437 ♪ And you just build upon ♪ 76 00:05:15,231 --> 00:05:17,776 ♪ The light to carry you ♪ 77 00:05:17,859 --> 00:05:20,612 (shutter snapping) 78 00:05:20,695 --> 00:05:23,114 ♪ Well, I don't even talk that way ♪ 79 00:05:23,198 --> 00:05:25,116 ♪ See, I wanted you to stay ♪ 80 00:05:25,158 --> 00:05:27,619 ♪ And show you the world's a better place ♪ 81 00:05:27,702 --> 00:05:28,953 (scuttling) 82 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,332 ♪ And as we crawl to find our way ♪ 83 00:05:32,415 --> 00:05:36,336 ♪ We even take the shape of something else ♪ 84 00:05:38,755 --> 00:05:39,464 (shutter snaps) 85 00:05:39,881 --> 00:05:42,425 -♪ You think that I'm just ♪ -(gunshot) 86 00:05:44,594 --> 00:05:47,347 ♪ Some great survivor ♪ 87 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:52,519 ♪ You think that I'm just ♪ 88 00:05:52,602 --> 00:05:54,354 (shutters snapping) 89 00:05:54,437 --> 00:05:56,940 ♪ Some great survivor ♪ 90 00:05:59,984 --> 00:06:03,655 ♪ I'm afraid that the weight of the world ♪ 91 00:06:03,697 --> 00:06:06,116 ♪ Is catching up with you ♪ 92 00:06:06,741 --> 00:06:09,786 ♪♪ 93 00:06:10,787 --> 00:06:12,497 (scuttling) 94 00:06:14,416 --> 00:06:16,501 (wind blowing) 95 00:06:21,506 --> 00:06:24,718 -(dark music playing) -(birds chirping) 96 00:06:30,432 --> 00:06:33,685 ♪♪ 97 00:06:37,856 --> 00:06:40,442 newscaster: LA County Deputy District Attorney John Lewin 98 00:06:40,525 --> 00:06:42,027 has spent decades prosecuting 99 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:45,196 complicated circumstantial murder cases. 100 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,198 (fanfare ringtone) 101 00:06:49,701 --> 00:06:52,495 Lewin: The idea that it's not necessarily typical 102 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:55,457 for a filmmaker to call me up, going, 103 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:57,459 "Yeah, we've got evidence," 104 00:06:57,542 --> 00:06:59,878 it's more than not necessarily typical. It's, 105 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:02,213 I mean, unheard of. 106 00:07:02,297 --> 00:07:03,840 Again, I've done this a lotta years 107 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:07,385 with a lot of interesting cases, and that just doesn't happen. 108 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:10,680 ♪♪ 109 00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:25,695 I love circumstantial cold cases, 110 00:07:25,737 --> 00:07:30,116 and my expertise are circumstantial no-body cases. 111 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,034 So I knew all about Bob Durst. 112 00:07:32,077 --> 00:07:34,412 ♪♪ 113 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:36,247 Bob's wife Kathie had disappeared 114 00:07:36,289 --> 00:07:38,832 in Westchester back in 1982. 115 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:44,923 His best friend Susan Berman had been murdered in 2000. 116 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:49,302 And finally, his neighbor Morris Black was killed 117 00:07:49,386 --> 00:07:52,597 and dismembered in Texas in 2001. 118 00:07:54,099 --> 00:07:56,768 Well, nothing can be done about Morris Black. 119 00:07:56,851 --> 00:07:58,228 He's already been acquitted. 120 00:07:58,269 --> 00:07:59,688 (lights click) 121 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:01,981 Westchester has never done anything 122 00:08:02,065 --> 00:08:04,484 on Kathie Durst. There are issues. 123 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:06,695 I don't think there's anything to go there. 124 00:08:08,071 --> 00:08:11,866 The one to look at is the Susan Berman case. 125 00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:16,621 (tense music playing) 126 00:08:17,288 --> 00:08:18,915 George Shamlyan: It kinda offended me 127 00:08:18,957 --> 00:08:21,292 as a detective 128 00:08:21,376 --> 00:08:23,545 that this person was able to get away 129 00:08:23,628 --> 00:08:24,921 with three murders 130 00:08:24,963 --> 00:08:29,134 because of all the privilege, money, power he had. 131 00:08:29,175 --> 00:08:30,468 (echoing car horn) 132 00:08:30,552 --> 00:08:32,929 Homicide detectives, we have a saying. 133 00:08:33,596 --> 00:08:35,181 "We work for God." 134 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:38,643 We try to get justice for the victim 135 00:08:38,727 --> 00:08:40,645 and his or her family. 136 00:08:41,312 --> 00:08:45,567 So, John Lewin and I started working on the case together. 137 00:08:48,069 --> 00:08:49,279 We had a board. 138 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:52,323 On the board, we had the plan of action 139 00:08:53,658 --> 00:08:56,661 and people to be interviewed. 140 00:08:56,703 --> 00:09:00,373 We ended up interviewing close to maybe 300 people. 141 00:09:00,457 --> 00:09:02,167 (phone ringing) 142 00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:04,419 Lewin: I'm trying to put this case together, 143 00:09:04,502 --> 00:09:06,504 myself and detectives, 144 00:09:06,588 --> 00:09:08,298 and here's the problem. 145 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:11,718 If we contact these witnesses and it gets back to Bob, 146 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:12,969 Bob is gonna take off, 147 00:09:13,011 --> 00:09:15,263 and we're not gonna see him again. 148 00:09:17,349 --> 00:09:19,017 So I knew it was going to be a race 149 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:22,312 to get as far as we could before "The Jinx" came out. 150 00:09:24,022 --> 00:09:26,149 ♪♪ 151 00:09:26,191 --> 00:09:29,778 Charles Bagli: Just before "The Jinx" is unveiled, 152 00:09:29,861 --> 00:09:31,696 Bob is living in Houston. 153 00:09:31,738 --> 00:09:33,740 He's still flitting around the country, 154 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:37,827 but his permanent address is more or less in Houston. 155 00:09:37,869 --> 00:09:40,705 ♪♪ 156 00:09:40,789 --> 00:09:43,333 So he was completely free, right? 157 00:09:43,375 --> 00:09:46,336 -At that point. -Bagli: Absolutely, and I think he would be free today 158 00:09:46,378 --> 00:09:48,963 if he had just kept his trap shut. 159 00:09:49,047 --> 00:09:50,382 (cars honking) 160 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:52,634 Charlie Rose: "The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst" 161 00:09:52,717 --> 00:09:55,804 is a new six-part HBO documentary series. 162 00:09:55,887 --> 00:09:57,722 It details the case of the heir 163 00:09:57,764 --> 00:09:59,974 to a wealthy New York real estate family. 164 00:10:00,058 --> 00:10:03,061 (street chatter) 165 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:04,938 Lewin: When "The Jinx" came out, 166 00:10:05,021 --> 00:10:07,524 it was a six-part miniseries. 167 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:09,651 And my prediction was, 168 00:10:09,734 --> 00:10:12,570 "This is going to be the biggest thing 169 00:10:12,654 --> 00:10:15,407 to hit my office since OJ." 170 00:10:16,241 --> 00:10:19,244 George Stephanopoulos: The multimillionaire real estate heir Robert Durst, 171 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:20,662 in a new HBO documentary, 172 00:10:20,704 --> 00:10:23,289 he's answering all the charges for the first time. 173 00:10:23,373 --> 00:10:24,874 What do you think at the end? 174 00:10:24,916 --> 00:10:26,501 -Do you reach a conclusion? -Well, I think that 175 00:10:26,584 --> 00:10:28,753 what the audience will find when they get to the end of this 176 00:10:28,837 --> 00:10:30,422 is that they're not scratching their heads. 177 00:10:30,505 --> 00:10:31,923 When they get to the end of six episodes, 178 00:10:31,965 --> 00:10:34,217 they will know what happened. 179 00:10:39,764 --> 00:10:41,433 Who has been pressing, as you know, 180 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:44,728 to see the finished episodes. 181 00:10:44,769 --> 00:10:47,981 And he was sorta saying, "We're curious about whether 182 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:51,860 "you come to the conclusion that he's guilty or he's not guilty. 183 00:10:51,943 --> 00:10:55,613 "But obviously, there's a concern that there could be 184 00:10:55,697 --> 00:10:58,825 "a prosecution as a result of this, 185 00:10:58,908 --> 00:11:02,704 and we are, you know, very keen to see it as soon as possible." 186 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:04,247 (passenger sighs) 187 00:11:04,748 --> 00:11:06,499 I mean, I said to him, "Well, I know for sure 188 00:11:06,583 --> 00:11:08,251 "they'll let me show you one. 189 00:11:08,293 --> 00:11:11,046 You know, episode one, tomorrow or whatever." 190 00:11:11,129 --> 00:11:14,132 And he said, "Well, then I might as well just wait for Sunday." 191 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:18,178 (static, HBO logo tones) 192 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:21,723 ("The Jinx" season one theme song playing) 193 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,767 newscaster (on TV): A teenage boy fishing 194 00:11:23,808 --> 00:11:25,977 in the shallow waters off Galveston, Texas 195 00:11:26,061 --> 00:11:29,314 stumbled on the gruesome remains of a murder. 196 00:11:30,774 --> 00:11:32,901 Bagli: "The Jinx" started airing in February. 197 00:11:32,984 --> 00:11:35,320 As each episode aired, 198 00:11:35,403 --> 00:11:39,157 Bob was watching from his home in Houston, 199 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,535 and he and I spoke after every episode. 200 00:11:42,619 --> 00:11:46,164 Bob got away with murdering Kathie. 201 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:49,209 Gilberte Najamy (on TV): I need to know what happened to Kathie. 202 00:11:49,292 --> 00:11:51,795 These are my notes from this time period. 203 00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:54,089 I'd get his reaction. 204 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,091 "Hey, Charles Bagli. It's Robert Durst. 205 00:11:56,174 --> 00:12:00,136 "The second episode, I don't have anything to say about it. 206 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:01,680 (theme song continues) 207 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:04,182 "We've heard Kathie's family saying, 208 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,352 "'Why won't he tell us what he did with her?' 209 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,062 "On and on, 210 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:11,564 "as if they actually expect me to say, 211 00:12:11,648 --> 00:12:14,359 'I put her over there near the lamppost.'" 212 00:12:14,818 --> 00:12:18,113 speaker (on TV): Beverly Hills Police Department received a letter in the mail. 213 00:12:18,196 --> 00:12:21,491 The envelope was addressed "Beverley Hills Police," 214 00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:23,868 and the note read, "cadaver." 215 00:12:23,952 --> 00:12:26,204 Andrew Jarecki (on TV): Can you think of a reason 216 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:29,207 why somebody might write a note like that? 217 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:30,917 I can't imagine. 218 00:12:31,001 --> 00:12:34,045 Bagli: By the third episode, 219 00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:37,048 he was thinking, "I-I'm in pretty good shape. 220 00:12:37,132 --> 00:12:41,219 "He's covered Galveston, Los Angeles, Westchester. 221 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:45,557 What else can he put in those final episodes?" 222 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,308 (song ends) 223 00:12:47,892 --> 00:12:51,104 (tense whooshing) 224 00:12:52,522 --> 00:12:55,400 producer (on TV): So, let me see the letter. 225 00:12:55,483 --> 00:12:57,902 And, I mean, of course I told you this, but... 226 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:02,449 (tense music building) 227 00:13:02,532 --> 00:13:05,910 producer (on TV): He showed me a letter from Bob to Susan. 228 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:07,245 The address written on the front 229 00:13:07,328 --> 00:13:09,664 is exactly like the Cadaver Note, 230 00:13:09,748 --> 00:13:12,375 down to the misspelling of "Beverley." 231 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,921 Bagli: So when Bob saw his letter on the TV, 232 00:13:17,005 --> 00:13:19,591 he got very nervous. 233 00:13:19,674 --> 00:13:21,968 This seems to be proof positive 234 00:13:22,052 --> 00:13:25,555 that he killed Susan. That is evidence! 235 00:13:28,391 --> 00:13:32,062 -When I called him after the fifth episode... -(phone buzzing) 236 00:13:32,103 --> 00:13:34,814 ...there was a change in Bob. 237 00:13:34,898 --> 00:13:38,568 He was clearly now worried. 238 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:39,944 "No, I'm sorta busy right now. 239 00:13:40,028 --> 00:13:43,281 Let me get back to you, uh, say Wednesday. Bye-bye." 240 00:13:43,365 --> 00:13:46,159 (echoing hang-up tone) 241 00:13:46,242 --> 00:13:50,455 And I thought to myself, "Holy shit. He's gonna run." 242 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:52,957 (curious music playing) 243 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:54,542 newscaster (on radio): In this past Sunday's show, 244 00:13:54,626 --> 00:13:57,712 the discovery of a potentially blockbuster piece of evidence. 245 00:13:57,796 --> 00:13:58,922 Susan Berman... 246 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:01,633 Shamlyan: March 2015, 247 00:14:01,675 --> 00:14:05,220 we got evidence from FBI 248 00:14:05,303 --> 00:14:07,138 that Robert Durst was on the run. 249 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:11,893 We also got evidence that he was doing 250 00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:14,479 what's called "money structuring." 251 00:14:15,939 --> 00:14:19,734 He was withdrawing $9,000 almost daily. 252 00:14:19,818 --> 00:14:21,152 (printer clicking) 253 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:24,155 When you withdraw cash money over $10,000, 254 00:14:24,239 --> 00:14:26,908 banks are required to report to the federal government 255 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:29,911 as a suspish activity, and he was trying to avoid that. 256 00:14:29,994 --> 00:14:32,997 He was making withdrawals of $9,000. 257 00:14:34,665 --> 00:14:38,920 Why would he want that cash unless he was gonna run? 258 00:14:39,004 --> 00:14:41,673 And if he left the country, went to some country 259 00:14:41,756 --> 00:14:43,383 we didn't have a extradition treaty, 260 00:14:43,466 --> 00:14:46,678 we would have a very difficult time 261 00:14:46,761 --> 00:14:48,930 of bringing him back. 262 00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:52,058 And my captain told me, 263 00:14:52,142 --> 00:14:55,311 "Whatever you do, don't let Bob Durst get away." 264 00:14:55,353 --> 00:14:58,189 ♪♪ 265 00:15:00,150 --> 00:15:02,152 Eric Perry: When it came time to track him, 266 00:15:02,193 --> 00:15:04,487 I was brought in to help with the technical side of that, 267 00:15:04,529 --> 00:15:06,865 where we were able to get up on his cell phone. 268 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:08,366 We got his cell phone records. 269 00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:11,786 LAPD was able to obtain a wiretap, 270 00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:13,204 which allows us to see the numbers 271 00:15:13,288 --> 00:15:16,750 calling into and out of Bob's cell phone. 272 00:15:16,833 --> 00:15:18,918 -(beeping) -The last cell tower that I was able to map 273 00:15:19,002 --> 00:15:21,755 put him heading eastbound on Interstate 10, 274 00:15:21,838 --> 00:15:23,882 leaving the area of Houston. 275 00:15:24,424 --> 00:15:27,260 So we realized his phone had been turned off 276 00:15:28,053 --> 00:15:30,555 and then it wasn't active for several hours. 277 00:15:30,597 --> 00:15:32,140 ♪♪ 278 00:15:32,223 --> 00:15:35,560 LAPD, the FBI in LA, us in New York, 279 00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:37,479 we were all really pushing. We're like, 280 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:39,564 "We need to get him in custody right away." 281 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:46,071 Our greatest concern came true, and that was scary. 282 00:15:48,073 --> 00:15:50,408 Bob has always seemed to have been one step ahead 283 00:15:50,492 --> 00:15:51,951 of everybody for the most part. 284 00:15:52,035 --> 00:15:55,497 And this was just a kinda déjà vu moment. 285 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:58,583 ♪♪ 286 00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:01,753 Shamlyan: So we had to scramble to get a search warrant 287 00:16:01,795 --> 00:16:04,089 for his apartment in Houston. 288 00:16:07,342 --> 00:16:09,803 We went to search the apartment, 289 00:16:09,886 --> 00:16:12,847 and we got the surveillance. 290 00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:15,266 (inaudible) 291 00:16:15,684 --> 00:16:17,394 (investigator speaking) 292 00:16:17,435 --> 00:16:18,978 (witness speaking) 293 00:16:21,898 --> 00:16:23,650 ♪♪ 294 00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:57,017 (door opens, creaks) 295 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,019 Shamlyan: We sent a team of four detectives 296 00:16:59,102 --> 00:17:01,354 to his apartment... 297 00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:04,482 and we did a search there. 298 00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,777 His phone was gone. 299 00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:10,320 He left his checkbooks and credit cards in there. 300 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:12,198 Clearly, he was not gonna use them 301 00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:14,325 'cause we would have tracked it. 302 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:17,996 There was some evidence of him taking stuff out, 303 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:19,289 or somebody else. 304 00:17:19,329 --> 00:17:22,334 But apartment was cleaned. It was cleaned out. 305 00:17:22,416 --> 00:17:24,127 (inaudible) 306 00:17:24,461 --> 00:17:28,131 (witness speaking) 307 00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:33,470 (investigator speaking) 308 00:18:07,128 --> 00:18:09,214 (both laugh) 309 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:14,010 investigator: Okay. 310 00:18:14,052 --> 00:18:17,722 (suspenseful music playing) 311 00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:20,517 My name is Chris Lovell. 312 00:18:20,892 --> 00:18:24,187 C-H-R-I-S, L-O-V-E-double L. 313 00:18:24,813 --> 00:18:26,815 Dan Rather: In one of the more surprising verdicts 314 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:29,901 in recent court history, a jury in Galveston, Texas 315 00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:31,903 today found a wealthy man 316 00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:34,072 innocent of murdering another man, 317 00:18:34,155 --> 00:18:35,740 even after he admitted 318 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:38,952 he cut up the victim's body and disposed of it. 319 00:18:39,828 --> 00:18:43,039 Hon. Susan Criss: Chris Lovell was one of the jurors in the Galveston case 320 00:18:43,081 --> 00:18:46,918 that immediately befriended Bob as soon as the trial was over. 321 00:18:47,002 --> 00:18:48,753 They formed a relationship. 322 00:18:48,837 --> 00:18:49,629 (shutter snaps) 323 00:18:49,713 --> 00:18:53,091 I think he was enamored with Bob 324 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:56,469 because Bob is incredibly wealthy. 325 00:18:56,553 --> 00:19:00,640 He was hoping that would provide some financial rewards. 326 00:19:01,558 --> 00:19:03,184 With what was presented to me, 327 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,103 absolutely, positively, 100%. 328 00:19:05,145 --> 00:19:07,647 With what was presented to me. Yes, sir. 329 00:19:07,731 --> 00:19:09,149 ♪♪ 330 00:19:09,232 --> 00:19:12,235 Criss: I've never seen or heard of a juror forming a relationship 331 00:19:12,277 --> 00:19:14,904 with a defendant after trial. 332 00:19:14,946 --> 00:19:16,948 But then, most defendants 333 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:19,492 aren't extremely wealthy 334 00:19:19,576 --> 00:19:22,495 with sort of a celebrity status. 335 00:19:22,579 --> 00:19:26,791 -(shutter snaps) -I think that Bob trusted Chris. 336 00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:31,463 And I think that Chris Lovell will do whatever Bob says. 337 00:19:32,964 --> 00:19:38,053 I didn't set out to be his-- Robert Durst's friend. 338 00:19:38,136 --> 00:19:40,138 It just kind of evolved into that. 339 00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:42,515 I just set out to get some-- 340 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:45,226 some questions answered in my mind, 341 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:49,481 but it has evolved into a friendship, and... 342 00:19:50,607 --> 00:19:52,817 I don't have a problem with him at all. 343 00:19:55,278 --> 00:19:56,988 It is astounding 344 00:19:57,072 --> 00:20:00,283 that 12 years after a murder trial, 345 00:20:00,325 --> 00:20:03,578 one of the jurors is helping Bob 346 00:20:04,871 --> 00:20:06,998 make his getaway. 347 00:20:07,082 --> 00:20:10,335 (inaudible) 348 00:20:11,044 --> 00:20:14,339 (witness speaking) 349 00:20:18,009 --> 00:20:20,970 (mysterious music playing) 350 00:20:24,641 --> 00:20:25,934 (bags crinkle) 351 00:20:29,604 --> 00:20:31,231 (rattling) 352 00:20:36,027 --> 00:20:37,654 (crinkling) 353 00:20:47,247 --> 00:20:49,374 That apartment was sanitized. 354 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,545 We did not find any critical evidence. 355 00:20:57,757 --> 00:21:00,051 (police siren) 356 00:21:00,135 --> 00:21:03,972 (police radio chatter) 357 00:21:06,891 --> 00:21:09,394 ♪♪ 358 00:21:09,477 --> 00:21:13,023 There was a box on top of the bed in the bedroom. 359 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,402 In that box there was mementos. 360 00:21:19,571 --> 00:21:21,948 Susan Berman's photos, 361 00:21:22,032 --> 00:21:24,159 Kathie Durst's photos. 362 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:27,537 To this day, I think it was staged for him to say that, 363 00:21:27,579 --> 00:21:30,665 "I cared about these people." 364 00:21:30,749 --> 00:21:33,460 But he was sort of playing games. 365 00:21:37,422 --> 00:21:40,633 -(typing on keyboards) -(brief phone dial tone) 366 00:21:41,885 --> 00:21:44,637 Perry: I'm sitting there, listening to the wiretap 367 00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:47,724 Saturday before the last episode of "The Jinx" aired 368 00:21:48,433 --> 00:21:51,936 and I hear a phone call come into, um, Bob's cell phone. 369 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:56,107 operator (on phone): Hello, you've reached the Jitterbug voicemail for... 370 00:21:56,191 --> 00:21:57,567 Durst (on phone): Bob. 371 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:59,027 -(beep) -Perry: And I could hear Bob 372 00:21:59,110 --> 00:22:03,281 trying to log into his voicemail using his PIN number. 373 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:09,162 -(beeping) -So, it's like "beep, beep, beep." 374 00:22:09,245 --> 00:22:12,290 And he was unsuccessful. He was actually getting frustrated. 375 00:22:12,332 --> 00:22:14,959 Durst (on phone): Dang. Shit. 376 00:22:16,127 --> 00:22:19,214 -(beeping) -No... Fuc-- 377 00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:21,508 Perry: So I knew it was Bob. 378 00:22:22,092 --> 00:22:23,426 So I quickly ran the number 379 00:22:23,468 --> 00:22:25,762 that was calling into his voicemail 380 00:22:27,138 --> 00:22:30,600 and it came back to the JW Marriott in New Orleans. 381 00:22:33,311 --> 00:22:34,270 (hangs up) 382 00:22:34,312 --> 00:22:36,564 (birds chirping) 383 00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:40,985 FBI office in New Orleans 384 00:22:41,069 --> 00:22:43,988 responded there to attempt to locate Bob. 385 00:22:48,660 --> 00:22:52,038 Special agent checked with the hotel register. 386 00:22:52,122 --> 00:22:54,791 There was no Bob Durst registered at the hotel. 387 00:22:56,292 --> 00:22:58,253 So he decided to set up surveillance. 388 00:22:58,336 --> 00:22:59,754 (elevator dings) 389 00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:04,884 (luggage cart rattling) 390 00:23:04,968 --> 00:23:06,970 (breeze blowing) 391 00:23:07,012 --> 00:23:09,848 Sure enough, about three hours later... 392 00:23:12,142 --> 00:23:13,518 Bob walked in. 393 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,521 (shoes squeaking) 394 00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:19,524 It just seemed like everything was colliding. 395 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:22,193 It was all coming to a head at once. 396 00:23:22,277 --> 00:23:24,320 (slow footsteps) 397 00:23:24,362 --> 00:23:28,283 One of the FBI agents said, "Robert Durst?" 398 00:23:28,366 --> 00:23:31,244 And Bob kinda stopped. 399 00:23:31,327 --> 00:23:34,122 So they started talking to him. 400 00:23:34,706 --> 00:23:38,209 And then a woman is walking by, a guest in the hotel, 401 00:23:39,044 --> 00:23:42,005 and she said, "Oh, is that Bob Durst?" 402 00:23:42,047 --> 00:23:45,300 She had just been watching "The Jinx," 403 00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:47,177 so she recognized him! 404 00:23:47,218 --> 00:23:49,679 ♪♪ 405 00:23:49,721 --> 00:23:52,724 You can't make this stuff up! 406 00:23:53,016 --> 00:23:55,560 But Bob is now famous. 407 00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:58,229 As good as Bob can be or as lucky as Bob is 408 00:23:58,271 --> 00:23:59,981 about evading capture, 409 00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:03,234 you know, he screwed up, and, and we caught him. 410 00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:06,529 -(bell ringing) -(street car rattling) 411 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:09,824 Lewin: I was contacted, 412 00:24:09,908 --> 00:24:12,410 and I was told, "Okay, he's been arrested." 413 00:24:12,452 --> 00:24:16,039 (shutter snapping) 414 00:24:16,081 --> 00:24:19,751 (tense music playing) 415 00:24:21,086 --> 00:24:24,381 The FBI agents asked Bob if he had any ID, 416 00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:27,217 so he took them up to his room. 417 00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:29,511 (handcuffs click) 418 00:24:30,637 --> 00:24:33,264 When they end up going into the room, they find 419 00:24:33,348 --> 00:24:35,558 -(bag rustling) -drugs... 420 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,685 (shutter snaps) 421 00:24:36,935 --> 00:24:38,395 -...a bunch of money... -(bag unzipping) 422 00:24:38,436 --> 00:24:40,605 (shutter snaps) 423 00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:44,109 ...a loaded firearm... 424 00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:46,861 (shutter snaps) 425 00:24:47,904 --> 00:24:49,447 (shutter snaps) 426 00:24:49,489 --> 00:24:51,366 ...and a map of Cuba. 427 00:24:51,449 --> 00:24:52,659 (shutter snaps) 428 00:24:54,953 --> 00:24:57,288 There was also... 429 00:24:58,498 --> 00:25:00,667 a very expensive latex mask. 430 00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:03,962 (shutter snaps, flashbulb whining) 431 00:25:04,504 --> 00:25:06,631 Jarecki: Did you ever have an opinion 432 00:25:06,715 --> 00:25:08,466 about what the mask was gonna be for? 433 00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:10,760 Did he ever express that? 434 00:25:11,636 --> 00:25:13,096 Um, do I have an opinion? 435 00:25:13,138 --> 00:25:15,849 The mask was gonna be used to disguise himself 436 00:25:15,932 --> 00:25:19,060 to flee the country, is what I believe. 437 00:25:20,103 --> 00:25:22,647 It was, it was, it was not Halloween. 438 00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:25,900 (upbeat Cuban music playing) 439 00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:29,904 The plan was Bob was gonna take off for Cuba 440 00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:32,323 never to return. 441 00:25:33,283 --> 00:25:35,952 ("Apretando En Lo Oscuro" by Proyecto TQ playing) 442 00:25:35,994 --> 00:25:38,913 ♪♪ 443 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:42,834 And, of course, um... 444 00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:45,170 -(music stops) -...that didn't happen. 445 00:25:46,338 --> 00:25:48,131 (mask creaks) 446 00:25:53,845 --> 00:25:57,057 We all knew you were gonna flee at some point. 447 00:25:58,016 --> 00:26:00,685 I mean, I assume that you're not denying 448 00:26:00,769 --> 00:26:03,355 that you were in the process of fleeing. 449 00:26:03,396 --> 00:26:06,191 -I'm not denying I was in the process of-- -Lewin: Yeah, that's right. 450 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:07,859 And I think the reason you're not doing it 451 00:26:07,901 --> 00:26:09,527 is you know it's obvious, 452 00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:11,821 so let me go another way. Why are you still here? 453 00:26:11,863 --> 00:26:15,575 How come you're not in Cuba? I don't get it. 454 00:26:15,658 --> 00:26:18,286 Durst: I had made arrangements. 455 00:26:18,370 --> 00:26:20,622 I had considered the possibility. 456 00:26:20,705 --> 00:26:24,376 I had looked here and looked there. 457 00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,045 But I had never really said, 458 00:26:27,128 --> 00:26:30,215 "You know what? They're gonna come after me. 459 00:26:30,298 --> 00:26:34,844 I've gotta get far away where they can't get me." 460 00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:38,723 I guess inertia. I just didn't really, 461 00:26:38,765 --> 00:26:41,226 really, really think 462 00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:43,937 that I was gonna end up arrested. 463 00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:48,400 Being a fugitive was, was not something I did well. 464 00:26:50,193 --> 00:26:52,278 newscaster 1: Authorities arrested Robert Durst 465 00:26:52,362 --> 00:26:55,782 in New Orleans Saturday on a Los Angeles County warrant. 466 00:26:55,865 --> 00:26:57,659 Tonight, Robert Durst is behind bars, 467 00:26:57,742 --> 00:27:00,578 arrested overnight in the lobby of a New Orleans hotel, 468 00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:02,247 accused of killing a female friend 469 00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:04,332 in Los Angeles 15 years ago. 470 00:27:04,416 --> 00:27:07,627 The investigation got a boost thanks to new evidence revealed 471 00:27:07,711 --> 00:27:08,962 in a documentary series 472 00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:11,006 that Durst willingly participated in. 473 00:27:11,089 --> 00:27:14,759 -(echoing chains rattling) -(echoing police radio chatter) 474 00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:16,594 newscaster 2: Last night's arrest 475 00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:19,431 comes just hours before tonight's finale. 476 00:27:19,514 --> 00:27:22,267 newscaster 3: The director promises tonight's final installment 477 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:26,187 will answer questions people have been asking for decades. 478 00:27:26,271 --> 00:27:28,189 (curious music playing) 479 00:27:28,273 --> 00:27:31,359 Bagli: That night after Bob's arrest, 480 00:27:31,443 --> 00:27:33,445 we all went to a screening 481 00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:35,488 for the families of the victims 482 00:27:35,572 --> 00:27:37,115 at your house 483 00:27:37,198 --> 00:27:39,659 for the last episode of "The Jinx." 484 00:27:39,743 --> 00:27:41,911 (indistinct chatter) 485 00:27:41,953 --> 00:27:44,956 It was kind of like a meeting of an old club. 486 00:27:44,998 --> 00:27:48,168 You had investigators, prosecutors, 487 00:27:48,251 --> 00:27:49,878 you had witnesses, 488 00:27:49,961 --> 00:27:53,048 and then you had Kathie's family. 489 00:27:53,131 --> 00:27:56,593 Jim McCormack, his wife Sharon, and their daughter, 490 00:27:56,634 --> 00:28:00,055 who was the spitting image of Kathie. 491 00:28:00,138 --> 00:28:01,514 Jim McCormack: You gave us a call 492 00:28:01,598 --> 00:28:05,727 to screen the final episode of "The Jinx," the sixth episode. 493 00:28:05,769 --> 00:28:09,898 I knew that you had something special to show us. 494 00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:14,152 Bagli: Also, there was Jeanine Pirro, 495 00:28:14,194 --> 00:28:17,822 the former DA in Westchester County, 496 00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:19,282 and Cody Cazalas, 497 00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:23,078 the detective who had carried the case in Galveston. 498 00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:26,122 So there's dozens of people riveted 499 00:28:26,164 --> 00:28:29,042 by what's unfolding on the screen 500 00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:33,254 and what the final episode will reveal. 501 00:28:33,296 --> 00:28:36,341 (tense music playing on TV) 502 00:28:37,217 --> 00:28:40,512 Jeanine Pirro (on TV): Oh, God, the "B" is exactly the same. 503 00:28:42,222 --> 00:28:43,598 Son of a bitch. 504 00:28:43,682 --> 00:28:47,102 -(laughter in room) -(season 1 theme song playing on TV) 505 00:28:51,564 --> 00:28:53,692 Jarecki (on TV): He actually told me he was in Madrid. 506 00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:56,778 (laughter) 507 00:28:57,278 --> 00:28:59,698 Bagli: And as the episode progresses, 508 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:03,702 the room got quieter and quieter. 509 00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:05,412 Jarecki (on TV): So... 510 00:29:07,372 --> 00:29:10,917 So obviously, I wanna ask you about the Cadaver Note, 511 00:29:11,001 --> 00:29:13,128 the famous Cadaver Note. 512 00:29:13,211 --> 00:29:14,921 Can you read me the spelling of "Beverley Hills--" 513 00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:16,548 Durst (on TV): "Beverley Hills Police, 514 00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:18,883 1527 Benedict Canyon, Cadaver." 515 00:29:18,925 --> 00:29:20,385 (paper crinkling) 516 00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:22,846 -(coughs) -Jarecki (on TV): So you wrote one of these, 517 00:29:22,887 --> 00:29:24,431 but you didn't write the other one. 518 00:29:24,514 --> 00:29:27,267 I wrote this one, but I did not write the Cadaver one. 519 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:29,519 Jarecki (on TV): And can you tell me which one you didn't write? 520 00:29:29,561 --> 00:29:31,438 -(dog collar rattling) -(Durst sighs) 521 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:35,900 No. 522 00:29:37,736 --> 00:29:39,821 I am going to go use the restroom, 523 00:29:39,904 --> 00:29:41,656 which is right here... 524 00:29:42,741 --> 00:29:45,201 -Or maybe this is the bathroom? -Jarecki (on TV): Yeah, that's-- 525 00:29:45,243 --> 00:29:47,829 Durst (on TV): You're right. This is the bathroom. 526 00:29:47,912 --> 00:29:50,123 (bathroom door shuts) 527 00:29:54,502 --> 00:29:57,213 (indistinct movement on TV) 528 00:29:57,297 --> 00:29:59,049 (Durst speaking on TV) 529 00:30:00,383 --> 00:30:02,344 (guests gasping, shushing) 530 00:30:02,594 --> 00:30:04,846 (Durst groaning) 531 00:30:07,932 --> 00:30:10,560 -(shocked gasps) -Oh, my God! 532 00:30:12,062 --> 00:30:14,898 -Oh, honey. -Holy shit. 533 00:30:15,732 --> 00:30:17,484 (shocked breathing) 534 00:30:17,567 --> 00:30:20,737 -guest 1: Oh, my God. -(episode finale music playing) 535 00:30:20,779 --> 00:30:22,989 (shocked murmuring) 536 00:30:23,073 --> 00:30:24,407 guest 2: Oh, my God. 537 00:30:24,449 --> 00:30:27,118 (sniffling) 538 00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:33,291 -(music continues) -(guests sighing) 539 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:35,377 (mouthing) 540 00:30:39,589 --> 00:30:42,175 (shocked murmuring) 541 00:30:42,258 --> 00:30:45,929 McCormack: I heard it, and then it kinda settles in. 542 00:30:46,930 --> 00:30:48,306 You'd hate to use the word "closure" 543 00:30:48,348 --> 00:30:50,809 'cause we still had a long road to travel. 544 00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:54,312 But at least for that point in time, we finally had closure 545 00:30:54,396 --> 00:30:57,315 that he was finally admitting the truth. 546 00:30:58,608 --> 00:31:00,652 (quiet murmuring) 547 00:31:00,819 --> 00:31:02,570 (guest speaking) 548 00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:07,283 Oh, it's definitely a confession. I mean, right, Cody? 549 00:31:07,325 --> 00:31:09,327 -Yeah! Yeah! -They can use that? 550 00:31:09,411 --> 00:31:10,662 Jeanine Pirro: He wasn't in custody. 551 00:31:12,497 --> 00:31:14,874 (overlapping chatter) 552 00:31:18,586 --> 00:31:21,673 guest 3: He wasn't in custody. It was not an interrogation. 553 00:31:21,715 --> 00:31:25,593 (excited chatter) 554 00:31:25,677 --> 00:31:27,387 (fading out) 555 00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:31,182 Bagli: And then, all of a sudden, it seems to be everywhere. 556 00:31:31,224 --> 00:31:32,851 newscaster 1: Real estate heir Robert Durst 557 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:35,437 admitting to, quote, "killing them all." 558 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,189 Robert Durst said he "killed them all." 559 00:31:38,231 --> 00:31:40,942 They are the five words everyone is talking about this week. 560 00:31:41,026 --> 00:31:42,861 "Killed them all, of course." 561 00:31:42,902 --> 00:31:44,946 -Killed them all. -Killed them all. 562 00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:47,490 newscaster 2: "Of course, I killed them all." 563 00:31:47,532 --> 00:31:48,908 ♪♪ 564 00:31:48,992 --> 00:31:51,077 Cody Cazalas: For the first time it came out of his mouth, 565 00:31:51,161 --> 00:31:54,247 what I have felt for a long time in my heart. 566 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:55,915 The revelation was like something 567 00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:58,501 we've been waiting for for 33 years. 568 00:31:58,543 --> 00:32:00,628 Well, they got him. 569 00:32:00,712 --> 00:32:02,130 Durst was arrested on Saturday, 570 00:32:02,213 --> 00:32:04,549 the day before the shocking finale 571 00:32:04,632 --> 00:32:06,301 of that documentary series. 572 00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,011 ♪♪ 573 00:32:10,722 --> 00:32:12,724 Lewin: You know, I've seen... 574 00:32:13,516 --> 00:32:16,686 I've seen all the interviews that you did with Andrew. 575 00:32:16,728 --> 00:32:19,856 Durst: For the whole long weekend 576 00:32:19,898 --> 00:32:23,026 -when I did the interviews for "The Jinx"... -Lewin: Yeah? 577 00:32:23,068 --> 00:32:25,028 Durst: ...I was on meth. 578 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:28,323 The whole time, I was on meth. 579 00:32:28,406 --> 00:32:30,700 And when I looked at the little pieces of it, 580 00:32:30,742 --> 00:32:32,994 I was like-- (muttering) 581 00:32:34,245 --> 00:32:36,206 Should have been obvious. 582 00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:38,833 Surprised my lawyer let me go ahead with it 583 00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:40,418 'cause it just-- 584 00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:43,421 I looked like there was something going on. 585 00:32:43,505 --> 00:32:47,133 Lewin: Well, so Bob, 'cause before you go 586 00:32:47,217 --> 00:32:49,219 any further on that, 587 00:32:50,178 --> 00:32:51,930 certain things I know-- 588 00:32:51,971 --> 00:32:53,473 And you seem like a straight shooter. 589 00:32:53,556 --> 00:32:56,351 I assume you would prefer that I be a straight shooter 590 00:32:56,434 --> 00:32:58,269 -and not a bullshitter, right? -Durst: Sure. 591 00:32:58,311 --> 00:33:00,063 Lewin: Okay, I'm a straight shooter. 592 00:33:00,105 --> 00:33:03,650 What you just told me is bullshit. 593 00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:05,193 Durst: I'm not trying to say 594 00:33:05,276 --> 00:33:07,946 that my answers were wrong. I'm just trying to say I was 595 00:33:07,987 --> 00:33:10,073 (nonsensical babbling) during the thing. 596 00:33:10,115 --> 00:33:13,076 I think that what I said 597 00:33:13,118 --> 00:33:18,081 were the correct answers to-to the questions. 598 00:33:18,123 --> 00:33:22,127 And, you know, there begins this conversation 599 00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:25,296 that sounds almost like a plea bargain. 600 00:33:25,755 --> 00:33:28,591 Lewin: Um, you know, it's-it's like I said before, 601 00:33:28,633 --> 00:33:31,720 -this is all voluntary. It's c-- -Durst: No, I hear you, 602 00:33:31,803 --> 00:33:34,514 -and I have no problem with what you're saying. -Lewin: Okay. 603 00:33:34,597 --> 00:33:38,852 Durst: But, what's going through my mind is 604 00:33:38,935 --> 00:33:42,272 if I tell you what I know 605 00:33:42,313 --> 00:33:45,066 that answers your questions, 606 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:47,444 what can you possibly do for me? 607 00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:50,321 Lewin: Okay, let me-- I-I'll-- I can tell you, Bob-- 608 00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:52,490 Durst: I'm very willing to talk to you. 609 00:33:52,574 --> 00:33:55,160 And as I said, I'm 72... 610 00:33:55,243 --> 00:33:58,747 Lewin: You know what I want, correct? 611 00:33:58,788 --> 00:34:00,957 Durst: Yes. You'd like some details 612 00:34:00,999 --> 00:34:03,501 -from me if I knew... -Lewin: Yes. 613 00:34:03,543 --> 00:34:05,545 Durst: ...about where Kathie's body is. 614 00:34:05,628 --> 00:34:08,380 Lewin: And about what happened to Susan. Those-- 615 00:34:08,465 --> 00:34:10,507 -Durst: And about what happened with Susan. -Lewin: Okay. 616 00:34:10,592 --> 00:34:13,011 And-And you would agree that you're in the position, 617 00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:15,722 if you want, to tell me more than you have so far-- 618 00:34:15,804 --> 00:34:18,850 Durst: About that, I'm not about to go that far. 619 00:34:18,891 --> 00:34:20,060 -Lewin: Okay. -Durst: But-- 620 00:34:20,143 --> 00:34:21,353 Lewin: Well, but wait a minute. 621 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:22,771 What you're telling me though, 622 00:34:22,853 --> 00:34:25,690 then I wanna understand when you're saying, "Tell me what--" 623 00:34:25,774 --> 00:34:28,902 Durst: Well, you asked me what I thought you wanted to hear. 624 00:34:28,985 --> 00:34:31,071 I think what you wanted to hear, 625 00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:33,114 to make Ann McCormack happy is, 626 00:34:33,197 --> 00:34:35,074 "What did you do with Kathie?" 627 00:34:35,158 --> 00:34:36,451 Lewin: Right. 628 00:34:36,534 --> 00:34:40,038 Durst: And I think you want me to go through details 629 00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,916 -of, of Susan. -Lewin: I do. 630 00:34:42,998 --> 00:34:46,670 Durst: Okay, so now, what would I ask for? 631 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,339 -Lewin: Tell me. -Durst: If I tell you those things, 632 00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:52,300 -I'm plea-ing guilty. -Lewin: Okay. 633 00:34:52,384 --> 00:34:54,219 Durst: And I'm plea-ing guilty. 634 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,804 I'm gonna be going back to Los Angeles, 635 00:34:56,888 --> 00:35:00,558 to California, and doing my time. 636 00:35:00,642 --> 00:35:02,227 Lewin: Well, now, I've got a question. 637 00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:03,978 Is there-- So, for instance, 638 00:35:04,062 --> 00:35:05,647 something that, and I, and I, 639 00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:07,232 that I would have to see is, 640 00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:10,610 would it be better doing your time in a different place? 641 00:35:10,694 --> 00:35:12,862 -Are you better doing it-- -Durst: Yes! Yes, yes. 642 00:35:12,904 --> 00:35:15,156 -That's just what we're getting to. -Lewin: Okay, tell me. 643 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:16,950 Durst: What could you do-- Well, I don't know 644 00:35:17,033 --> 00:35:18,910 what the question is yet. 645 00:35:19,577 --> 00:35:22,956 And, and I will tell you that after New Orleans, 646 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,083 I was very annoyed 647 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,627 because I felt, at the end of that interview, 648 00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:30,422 that I was 10 minutes away from a confession. 649 00:35:31,256 --> 00:35:33,216 Durst: When we s... 650 00:35:33,258 --> 00:35:35,927 sit down to do an agreement, 651 00:35:35,969 --> 00:35:37,512 and I would expect by Monday 652 00:35:37,595 --> 00:35:40,682 I will have chosen a lawyer in Los Angeles... 653 00:35:41,516 --> 00:35:43,768 Lewin: And over time, what I've realized is, 654 00:35:43,852 --> 00:35:47,313 and as a big football fan, 655 00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,941 I was down at the five-yard line. 656 00:35:50,442 --> 00:35:54,362 But, I was never going to get that confession. 657 00:35:54,446 --> 00:35:58,033 Durst: You see, I'm not about to-to-to say to you-- 658 00:35:58,116 --> 00:35:59,701 -What is your name again? -Lewin: John. 659 00:35:59,784 --> 00:36:02,162 Durst: John. I'm not about to say to you, 660 00:36:02,245 --> 00:36:05,582 "John, this is it," without my lawyer being here. 661 00:36:05,623 --> 00:36:09,127 Lewin: Okay, okay. Well, listen, and that's, and that's your right. 662 00:36:09,169 --> 00:36:11,296 And you realize, "Oh, okay. 663 00:36:11,379 --> 00:36:13,298 "It wasn't that I was so great 664 00:36:13,381 --> 00:36:15,091 "getting down to the five-yard line. 665 00:36:15,175 --> 00:36:17,344 "It's that he really wasn't playing any defense, 666 00:36:17,427 --> 00:36:20,347 and he's not gonna let me get into the end zone." 667 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,475 So, are you willing to talk to me after court today? 668 00:36:23,558 --> 00:36:26,728 -Durst: Sure. -Lewin: Okay, alright. We'll head to court. 669 00:36:28,772 --> 00:36:32,233 And he said he would talk to me. And, of course, um, 670 00:36:33,443 --> 00:36:35,528 that didn't happen. 671 00:36:41,368 --> 00:36:43,203 (echoing door slam) 672 00:36:43,995 --> 00:36:47,123 (birds chirping) 673 00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:50,168 So now, Bob was in custody in New Orleans. 674 00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:52,921 (insects chirping) 675 00:36:53,004 --> 00:36:57,467 And who was the first person to fly down to New Orleans 676 00:36:57,509 --> 00:36:59,678 and visit Bob in jail? 677 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,138 -(buzzer blaring) -(ominous music playing) 678 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:04,182 Debrah Lee Charatan: Hi. 679 00:37:04,224 --> 00:37:07,352 -Hi. How ya doin'? -Durst: Hi. 680 00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:09,771 Doin' alright. How are you doing? 681 00:37:09,854 --> 00:37:10,939 I'm doing fine. 682 00:37:11,022 --> 00:37:13,942 I'm sorry this is the way they do visitation here. 683 00:37:14,984 --> 00:37:19,864 Debbie served as Bob's wife, 684 00:37:19,906 --> 00:37:22,325 confidante, and advisor. 685 00:37:22,367 --> 00:37:24,452 Durst: You see me in my jumper? 686 00:37:24,536 --> 00:37:25,912 Charatan: No, I can barely. 687 00:37:25,995 --> 00:37:28,164 Durst: Hold on a second. Let me stood up. 688 00:37:28,206 --> 00:37:29,874 (chair scrapes) 689 00:37:30,667 --> 00:37:32,711 Charatan: Okay, I see it. 690 00:37:34,212 --> 00:37:36,256 I see it. 691 00:37:36,339 --> 00:37:39,551 (laughs) Ai-yai-yai. 692 00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:42,846 -You actually look pretty good. -Durst: Thank you. 693 00:37:42,887 --> 00:37:45,890 Your hair looks very bushy, by the way. 694 00:37:45,974 --> 00:37:48,184 Nah, it's just hair, you know? 695 00:37:48,226 --> 00:37:50,478 (laughs) You know I have a lotta hair. 696 00:37:51,062 --> 00:37:52,731 Bagli: Bob got from Debbie 697 00:37:52,814 --> 00:37:56,735 a safe harbor, a place that he could always go 698 00:37:56,818 --> 00:37:59,404 where there were no questions asked. 699 00:37:59,446 --> 00:38:01,656 He had absolute trust in her. 700 00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:05,243 Durst: What I would like to do going forward, 701 00:38:05,285 --> 00:38:07,245 to pay my bills 702 00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:10,081 and spending the money on the legal defense, 703 00:38:10,123 --> 00:38:12,792 Sell the apartment complex, 704 00:38:12,876 --> 00:38:14,627 sell the two condos. 705 00:38:14,711 --> 00:38:17,756 Yeah, and I think you should keep your apartment in Houston. 706 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:20,842 And if you-- I think the thing you should sell here 707 00:38:20,884 --> 00:38:22,761 is the apartment building. 708 00:38:22,844 --> 00:38:24,262 Durst: The real estate in the Hamptons, 709 00:38:24,346 --> 00:38:25,513 has that gone up much? 710 00:38:25,597 --> 00:38:28,475 -Is that way up? -Crazy. 711 00:38:28,558 --> 00:38:30,393 Durst: So if we have that today to sell, 712 00:38:30,435 --> 00:38:32,103 what would we ask for it? 713 00:38:32,187 --> 00:38:34,064 Um, I don't know. 714 00:38:34,105 --> 00:38:37,025 It's probably worth 20. 715 00:38:37,108 --> 00:38:38,943 Durst: Interesting. 716 00:38:39,027 --> 00:38:41,154 (Charatan speaking) 717 00:38:42,113 --> 00:38:45,658 Bagli: So the second person to visit Bob in New Orleans 718 00:38:45,742 --> 00:38:47,702 might have been Dick DeGuerin, 719 00:38:47,786 --> 00:38:52,040 one of the same lawyers that got him off in Texas. 720 00:38:53,958 --> 00:38:55,460 Dick DeGuerin: Once Bob was arrested, 721 00:38:55,543 --> 00:38:58,463 I got to New Orleans as quickly as I could, 722 00:38:58,546 --> 00:39:01,174 which was about the next day. 723 00:39:01,257 --> 00:39:03,635 And that's when I first saw Bob. 724 00:39:05,762 --> 00:39:11,476 Bob saw my dedication to his defense in Galveston. 725 00:39:12,143 --> 00:39:15,814 Bob Durst is not guilty of murder. 726 00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:19,943 It's hard to argue with success. 727 00:39:21,152 --> 00:39:23,154 Will the defendant please rise? 728 00:39:23,613 --> 00:39:25,490 We, the jury, find the defendant, 729 00:39:25,532 --> 00:39:27,784 Robert Durst, not guilty. 730 00:39:27,826 --> 00:39:29,285 (shutters snapping) 731 00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:32,956 DeGuerin: Bob Durst didn't buy his way to freedom. 732 00:39:32,997 --> 00:39:35,417 It wasn't his money that influenced this-this jury. 733 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,211 It was the facts, or the lack of facts. 734 00:39:38,294 --> 00:39:41,548 I understand that you want Dick DeGuerin on your team. 735 00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:43,591 I don't blame you. 736 00:39:43,675 --> 00:39:46,553 He did wonderful things for you in the past. 737 00:39:47,804 --> 00:39:51,016 Bagli: Bob did have this infinite trust in DeGuerin. 738 00:39:52,183 --> 00:39:54,686 So, he authorized Dick 739 00:39:54,728 --> 00:39:57,731 to assemble a defense team. 740 00:39:58,982 --> 00:40:01,860 Dick DeGuerin reaches out to a friend, 741 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,738 David Chesnoff, 742 00:40:04,821 --> 00:40:08,867 a very prominent figure in Las Vegas. 743 00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:10,201 (call waiting beep) 744 00:40:11,369 --> 00:40:14,039 He is the go-to guy 745 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,374 for any celebrity, 746 00:40:16,458 --> 00:40:18,877 any professional athlete, 747 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,630 any bad guy that gets into trouble. 748 00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:27,052 He is very adept at making problems go away. 749 00:40:27,135 --> 00:40:29,679 Chesnoff's a brilliant lawyer. 750 00:40:29,721 --> 00:40:33,725 Uh, he's a strategically thinking lawyer. 751 00:40:33,808 --> 00:40:37,062 I've always been interested in fighting for the underdog. 752 00:40:37,145 --> 00:40:40,774 In the old days, if you were a celebrated person, 753 00:40:40,857 --> 00:40:41,900 you got breaks. 754 00:40:41,983 --> 00:40:44,527 Now, if you're a celebrated person, it's worse. 755 00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:48,239 The more famous you are, the tougher it is. 756 00:40:48,281 --> 00:40:49,574 It's like a populist thing, 757 00:40:49,657 --> 00:40:53,370 their chance to get even with the rich person. 758 00:40:53,411 --> 00:40:54,996 ♪♪ 759 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,082 DeGuerin: I think we had a hell of a team. 760 00:40:59,459 --> 00:41:03,088 We had one goal, and that was to defend Bob Durst. 761 00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:05,590 I met this David Chesner, 762 00:41:05,674 --> 00:41:08,051 and he seems very bright. 763 00:41:08,093 --> 00:41:12,806 I think the team that you have is great. 764 00:41:12,889 --> 00:41:15,809 Bagli: So, there are now prominent lawyers 765 00:41:15,892 --> 00:41:18,728 assembled for Bob's defense team. 766 00:41:19,896 --> 00:41:22,941 (insects chirping) 767 00:41:25,276 --> 00:41:27,946 (Durst speaking) 768 00:41:39,457 --> 00:41:41,001 Jarecki: Were you also listening to his calls 769 00:41:41,084 --> 00:41:43,294 from prison at that point, from jail? 770 00:41:43,378 --> 00:41:46,047 When Bob got arrested in New Orleans, 771 00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:47,465 he made repeated calls. 772 00:41:47,507 --> 00:41:49,300 I listened to every call there. 773 00:41:49,342 --> 00:41:51,136 When he was in Louisiana, 774 00:41:51,219 --> 00:41:54,014 he was a nonstop talkfest. 775 00:41:54,097 --> 00:41:57,183 -(phone beeps) -(Emily Altman on phone) 776 00:41:57,267 --> 00:41:59,019 (Durst speaking) 777 00:42:05,775 --> 00:42:08,653 Bagli: From the moment Bob was arrested in New Orleans, 778 00:42:08,695 --> 00:42:11,322 he was reaching out to old friends, 779 00:42:11,364 --> 00:42:14,576 looking to see who can he rely on. 780 00:42:14,659 --> 00:42:17,787 He was seeking both emotional support 781 00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:20,290 and to see who would be on his side. 782 00:42:20,331 --> 00:42:22,375 -(tense music playing) -(phone beeps) 783 00:42:22,459 --> 00:42:23,335 (Durst speaking on phone) 784 00:42:23,793 --> 00:42:25,337 (Doug Oliver speaking on phone) 785 00:42:25,587 --> 00:42:28,506 -(phone beep) -(Stewart Altman on phone) 786 00:42:28,548 --> 00:42:30,175 (Durst speaking) 787 00:42:30,216 --> 00:42:31,134 (phone beeps) 788 00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:33,845 (Susie Giordano on phone) 789 00:42:37,515 --> 00:42:40,894 Bagli: The people around Bob 790 00:42:40,977 --> 00:42:42,145 helped him, 791 00:42:42,187 --> 00:42:45,315 whether it was consciously or unconsciously, 792 00:42:45,357 --> 00:42:48,193 go on for so many years 793 00:42:48,276 --> 00:42:50,111 without consequence. 794 00:42:50,195 --> 00:42:53,573 (Durst speaking on phone) 795 00:42:56,659 --> 00:43:00,372 (Giordano speaking on phone) 796 00:43:01,623 --> 00:43:03,708 (Durst speaking on phone) 797 00:43:17,764 --> 00:43:20,725 (friend speaking on phone) 798 00:43:21,226 --> 00:43:23,895 (Durst speaking on phone) 799 00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:32,153 (Oliver on phone) 800 00:43:36,074 --> 00:43:37,742 (Giordano on phone) 801 00:43:43,081 --> 00:43:45,000 (Durst on phone) 802 00:43:45,083 --> 00:43:49,254 I like to think that if a good friend of mine 803 00:43:49,295 --> 00:43:50,797 is suddenly implicated 804 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,844 in one, two, three murders 805 00:43:55,927 --> 00:43:59,097 that I would recoil from that. 806 00:43:59,139 --> 00:44:03,226 But, who knows until you're tested? 807 00:44:04,769 --> 00:44:07,439 (Durst speaking on phone) 808 00:44:16,072 --> 00:44:17,198 (friend on phone) 809 00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:19,784 (Durst on phone) 810 00:44:26,791 --> 00:44:29,002 (dramatic crescendo) 811 00:44:29,753 --> 00:44:33,173 ("Help Me" by Sonny Boy Williamson II playing) 812 00:44:37,886 --> 00:44:39,721 ♪ You got to help me ♪ 813 00:44:41,014 --> 00:44:43,808 ♪ I can't do it all by myself ♪ 814 00:44:46,102 --> 00:44:48,313 ♪ You got to help me, baby ♪ 815 00:44:49,606 --> 00:44:52,067 ♪ I can't do it all by myself ♪ 816 00:44:54,819 --> 00:44:57,238 ♪ You know if you don't help me, darling ♪ 817 00:44:57,781 --> 00:45:00,992 ♪ I'll have to find myself somebody else ♪ 818 00:45:03,036 --> 00:45:05,121 ♪ I may have to wash ♪ 819 00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:07,665 ♪ May have to sew ♪ 820 00:45:07,707 --> 00:45:09,542 ♪ I may have to cook ♪ 821 00:45:09,626 --> 00:45:11,503 ♪ I might mop the floor ♪ 822 00:45:11,586 --> 00:45:14,381 ♪ But, you help me, babe ♪ 823 00:45:19,969 --> 00:45:22,263 ♪ You know if you don't help me, darling ♪ 824 00:45:22,972 --> 00:45:26,017 ♪ I'll find myself somebody else ♪ 825 00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:31,815 (harmonica playing) 826 00:45:54,337 --> 00:45:55,880 ♪ When I walk ♪ 827 00:45:55,922 --> 00:45:57,507 ♪ You walk with me ♪ 828 00:45:57,966 --> 00:45:59,759 ♪ And when I talk ♪ 829 00:45:59,843 --> 00:46:01,594 ♪ You talk to me ♪ 830 00:46:01,678 --> 00:46:03,471 ♪ Oh, babe ♪ 831 00:46:05,348 --> 00:46:08,059 ♪ I can't do it all by myself ♪ 832 00:46:10,437 --> 00:46:12,397 ♪ You know if you don't help me, darling ♪ 833 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,900 ♪ I'll have to find myself somebody else ♪ 834 00:46:18,236 --> 00:46:19,946 ♪ Help me, help me, darling ♪ 835 00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:22,240 (harmonica playing) 836 00:46:44,596 --> 00:46:46,264 ♪ Bring my nightshirt ♪ 837 00:46:47,766 --> 00:46:49,976 ♪ Put on your morning gown ♪ 838 00:46:52,437 --> 00:46:55,398 ♪ Darling, I know we sleep bare ♪ 839 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,277 ♪ But, I don't feel like lying down ♪ 840 00:47:00,111 --> 00:47:02,280 ♪ Oh yeah... ♪ 841 00:47:02,322 --> 00:47:04,449 (song fades out)