1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:21,582 --> 00:01:23,538 Is that enough black all round? 4 00:01:23,625 --> 00:01:25,645 Tracey moberly: Yeah, put it round the back as well. 5 00:01:25,669 --> 00:01:28,398 That's what I'm saying, I want to get out of doing it around the back. 6 00:01:28,422 --> 00:01:30,708 Oh, I didn't hear you say that. 7 00:01:32,009 --> 00:01:35,547 Right, put it up on top of your head a little bit. 8 00:01:35,804 --> 00:01:38,762 But surely all my thick, dark hair is going to be enough at the top? 9 00:01:38,849 --> 00:01:43,343 No, at the front. At the front. Up a bit. 10 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:53,352 And a bit more on your ears. 11 00:01:53,447 --> 00:01:55,403 - Where? That one? - Yeah. 12 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:00,408 Yeah. 13 00:02:03,874 --> 00:02:06,411 Stand in front of the "a". 14 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:09,038 - Okay? - On the left, yeah. 15 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:13,714 That way slightly. Yup. Slightly the other way. 16 00:02:13,842 --> 00:02:16,879 Slightly the other way. Slightly the other way. 17 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:18,506 Slightly the other way. 18 00:02:18,597 --> 00:02:20,679 "Other way" doesn't count. I can't see anything. 19 00:02:20,766 --> 00:02:23,052 That way. Now that way. 20 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,050 That way. 21 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:26,768 Now that way. 22 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:28,391 Yeah. 23 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:37,521 Yeah. Thank you. 24 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:41,275 - Okay if I get my new jeans on now? - Yeah. 25 00:02:41,370 --> 00:02:42,906 Cool. 26 00:02:54,383 --> 00:02:57,500 I can just see all this broken glass down here. 27 00:02:57,594 --> 00:03:02,054 What's that about? It is, it's fucking broken glass. 28 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:03,797 For fuck's... 29 00:03:10,023 --> 00:03:12,184 One, two, three... 30 00:03:17,948 --> 00:03:19,654 Fucking hell! 31 00:03:20,659 --> 00:03:23,025 - Don't let it go in your mouth. - Pardon? 32 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,156 Don't let it go in your mouth. 33 00:03:25,872 --> 00:03:28,739 Do you want something more epic than that? 34 00:03:28,834 --> 00:03:30,745 Cameraman: Yeah. Yes? 35 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:34,290 - Did the cameraman say "yes"? - You didn't fully submerge. 36 00:03:34,381 --> 00:03:36,713 - Pardon? - You didn't fully submerge. 37 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,257 - We could see your back. - Oh, that's no good! 38 00:03:39,344 --> 00:03:40,959 Tracey: Right, just do it after three. 39 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:42,794 Pardon? “After three. 40 00:03:43,014 --> 00:03:45,926 One, two, three. 41 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:52,432 Get out! 42 00:03:55,152 --> 00:03:56,858 Watch the glass. 43 00:03:57,487 --> 00:03:59,273 There's all the glass! 44 00:04:08,165 --> 00:04:11,953 Paul Duane: So, the other night when we were sitting in that hotel bar, 45 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:16,537 you did say something to me about your problem with documentary. 46 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:18,629 Bill drummond: I guess it's the whole process, 47 00:04:18,717 --> 00:04:23,086 because it's often the case that the documentary filmmaker 48 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:25,512 has a completely different agenda. 49 00:04:26,975 --> 00:04:29,842 And a filmmaker wants fo get behind the mask. 50 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:35,101 And, for me, that deconstructs, that demystifies, or de-something, 51 00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:39,105 which is maybe good for... Maybe that's what people want to see, 52 00:04:39,196 --> 00:04:42,063 but it also can take away. 53 00:04:42,157 --> 00:04:45,490 Now, obviously, a documentary isn't there to be PR 54 00:04:45,577 --> 00:04:50,492 for a politician, or the artist, or whatever, you know. 55 00:04:50,874 --> 00:04:53,991 So there is always gonna be a completely different agenda 56 00:04:54,085 --> 00:04:56,872 between the filmmaker 57 00:04:56,963 --> 00:05:00,501 and the protagonist, or the whatever-it-ist is. 58 00:05:00,884 --> 00:05:03,296 Paul: You gotta be aware it's a faustian pact, 59 00:05:03,386 --> 00:05:05,968 as soon as you allow a film crew into your life, you know. 60 00:05:06,056 --> 00:05:08,889 Bill: Aye, I'm totally aware. I know that. Of course. 61 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:10,886 And I totally understand the faustian pact. 62 00:05:10,977 --> 00:05:13,263 But every day I'm gonna get up and think, 63 00:05:13,355 --> 00:05:16,062 "oh shit, they're gonna be switching on this camera now. 64 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:20,062 "That's gonna get in the way of me just getting on with things." 65 00:05:20,195 --> 00:05:24,734 And... and... and that's... That... and... 66 00:05:24,825 --> 00:05:26,531 And a fear, a fear of the camera. 67 00:05:26,618 --> 00:05:28,950 A fear of what I'm saying. 68 00:05:29,538 --> 00:05:32,154 So when you sit down it kind of just goes off. 69 00:05:32,249 --> 00:05:34,911 I'm just wondering where am I losing you? 70 00:05:35,877 --> 00:05:38,994 Tandra chanda: Can it go here? I think so. 71 00:05:40,423 --> 00:05:41,959 - Okay? - Thanks. 72 00:05:46,221 --> 00:05:47,461 Okay. 73 00:05:48,473 --> 00:05:49,804 So... 74 00:05:50,433 --> 00:05:53,766 There's three, maybe four, practical things I want to ask you. 75 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:54,854 Yes. 76 00:05:54,938 --> 00:05:56,894 Soundman: Sorry, I've lost you again. 77 00:05:56,982 --> 00:05:58,188 Again? 78 00:06:00,610 --> 00:06:02,646 - Sorry, bill. - Okay. 79 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:56,621 Bill: Okay, are we all right to go? 80 00:06:58,001 --> 00:07:00,242 Okay, back to my questions. 81 00:07:00,337 --> 00:07:03,955 This is not about your work, this is advice I want to get 82 00:07:04,049 --> 00:07:06,916 on things I'm gonna want to do over the next two days. 83 00:07:07,010 --> 00:07:10,173 Do you know anywhere around here that I can buy wood? 84 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:11,799 A timber yard? 85 00:07:14,142 --> 00:07:16,679 Or should I be asking your husband that? 86 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:18,510 - Yes. That's better. - Okay. 87 00:07:18,647 --> 00:07:21,810 Okay, the next thing is, I guess I should be asking him, 88 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:24,767 because I want to go and get a shave at a street barber. 89 00:07:24,861 --> 00:07:26,726 That's another thing for me. 90 00:07:27,197 --> 00:07:32,362 It's like a symbolic thing of starting afresh at a new place, at a new job. 91 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:33,658 - Yes. - New. 92 00:07:33,745 --> 00:07:36,908 That, he can help you. I have no nothing, sorry. 93 00:07:36,998 --> 00:07:39,410 I know that. Of course. 94 00:07:39,501 --> 00:07:41,537 And, the other thing. 95 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:45,041 I do this thing called "the man who bangs his drum". 96 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:48,589 So, I like to enter a city banging a drum. 97 00:07:48,677 --> 00:07:50,167 That is a problem here. 98 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:57,758 Bill: I'll be banging a drum coming across... 99 00:07:58,561 --> 00:08:00,267 - Howrah bridge? - Howrah bridge. 100 00:08:00,355 --> 00:08:03,939 - Can you walk across howrah bridge? - It is so far from here. 101 00:08:04,025 --> 00:08:07,062 Yeah, but can you do it? Is it possible to walk across? 102 00:08:07,153 --> 00:08:08,438 That I do not know. 103 00:08:08,530 --> 00:08:12,364 You have to ask the police permission, everything. I think so. 104 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:16,534 There's not a path? People don't walk across every day to it? 105 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:21,202 Cross, but I can't tell you that you can every day or one day. 106 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:23,708 They will ask you what happened. 107 00:08:23,795 --> 00:08:28,084 Why am I doing this? Why is this man, this European man walking...? 108 00:08:28,174 --> 00:08:31,507 If you get the permission, you have no problem then. 109 00:08:31,594 --> 00:08:34,802 - I don't like getting permission. - Permission? 110 00:08:34,889 --> 00:08:38,802 - I said I don't like getting permission. - Okay. 111 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:59,368 Pulak chanda: I don't really think police 112 00:08:59,456 --> 00:09:01,868 will give the permission on howrah bridge. 113 00:09:06,671 --> 00:09:09,162 Because the common people are very curious 114 00:09:09,299 --> 00:09:12,712 to why they're beating a drum like a madman, or like... 115 00:09:12,802 --> 00:09:15,259 That's all right. That's all right. 116 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:17,108 If that's what happens, that's what happens. 117 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:20,715 If I get in trouble from the police, 118 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:23,267 I get in trouble from the police, you know? 119 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:29,774 Chanda: Even being an artist, I can understand what is your plan, 120 00:09:29,861 --> 00:09:33,069 but I think the kolkata police, really, they're stupid. 121 00:09:33,156 --> 00:09:36,023 They can't understand what you all want to do. 122 00:09:36,618 --> 00:09:39,906 I don't, you know... I don't understand what I'm trying to do. 123 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:43,447 Anywhere, anywhere, anywhere from that wall down. 124 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:47,125 - See where that big thing is. - Where the slope comes down? 125 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:53,422 Bill: It is the first thing that I want. 126 00:09:53,510 --> 00:09:56,047 It's almost the first thing I want to do. 127 00:09:56,721 --> 00:10:00,634 I want to enter this... I mean, this can be faked-up for the film. 128 00:10:00,725 --> 00:10:03,307 Paul: Nothing's faked for the film. Nothing! 129 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:04,971 This could be the last thing. 130 00:10:05,063 --> 00:10:08,396 But, in my head, it is me entering the city. 131 00:10:08,483 --> 00:10:10,348 Avuit Halder: The process, like, er... yeah. 132 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:11,728 It's entering... 133 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:13,981 Entering into kolkata, banging a drum. 134 00:10:34,175 --> 00:10:36,257 So that's what you wanna do tomorrow? 135 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:37,629 Yeah. 136 00:10:38,054 --> 00:10:40,420 Bang drum, shave, blow horn. 137 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:42,255 But remember, that banging the drum, though, 138 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:45,183 is a long process, usually. 139 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:47,267 Quite ceremonial. 140 00:10:47,355 --> 00:10:50,097 Yeah, well, the bridge is only as long as the bridge. 141 00:11:28,813 --> 00:11:32,055 - Are you filming in the car? - Cameraman: Yeah. 142 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:39,025 I wish I knew. I'd rather nothing in the car's filmed just now. 143 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:40,946 Cameraman: Why? 144 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:43,862 Because this is, er... 145 00:11:43,953 --> 00:11:45,568 Personal time. 146 00:11:46,456 --> 00:11:48,572 Camerman: You tell me what... I'll stop. 147 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:51,032 - Bill: Is the director in the back there? - No, he's not. 148 00:11:51,127 --> 00:11:55,166 But I'm sure he would be happy. So, am I filming or not filming? 149 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:57,542 Bill: Pardon? Will I film or will I not film? 150 00:11:57,634 --> 00:12:01,092 Bill: Okay. Yeah, I'll talk to him. Yeah, go on. 151 00:12:18,821 --> 00:12:21,563 Avuit: I would like to know your thought process on this. 152 00:12:21,658 --> 00:12:23,523 Like why you do it like this? 153 00:12:23,618 --> 00:12:26,485 - Because it's very unconventional. - Bill: Yeah, but... 154 00:12:26,621 --> 00:12:27,890 Avuit: I mean, I don't want you to explain it. 155 00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:29,950 Bill: / probably don't want to talk about it. 156 00:12:30,041 --> 00:12:32,394 Avuit: No, I understand. But I would just be curious to know. 157 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:34,158 Bill: Okay, okay, okay. 158 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:39,294 To go right back, when I was nineteen, I went to college to do painting. 159 00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:43,088 And, at some point when I was at college, I realised 160 00:12:43,263 --> 00:12:46,096 that the Mark of if I was successful would be 161 00:12:46,182 --> 00:12:49,219 if rich people in New York bought the paintings, okay? 162 00:12:49,394 --> 00:12:51,635 Avuit: That validates things? 163 00:12:51,729 --> 00:12:53,390 That's what validates the paintings. 164 00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:56,814 And I didn't want to do that. I wanted to make art... 165 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:59,062 And I'm quoting myself here, okay? 166 00:12:59,153 --> 00:13:03,487 I wanted to make art that could be mass produced and cheap, okay? 167 00:13:03,574 --> 00:13:05,155 Very interesting. But still, like, 168 00:13:05,243 --> 00:13:07,003 - you're decommercialising it. - Yeah, but... 169 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,736 But you're still be making it for the mass. 170 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:13,949 Yeah, and hopefully it has a market as well, you know? 171 00:13:28,266 --> 00:13:30,848 Bill: Now, I think they want me to explain to them 172 00:13:30,935 --> 00:13:33,722 - in front of that camera. - Okay, yes. 173 00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:35,349 I think that's what they want. 174 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,146 Okay, yes. 175 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:41,693 He likes to know what you... 176 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:44,987 What do you want? 177 00:13:49,203 --> 00:13:54,618 Bill: This is a tune that I wrote and recorded in 1986, 178 00:13:54,751 --> 00:13:58,369 and each city I go to, I invite a local musician 179 00:13:58,463 --> 00:14:01,876 to do a version of that tune in their own style. 180 00:14:02,300 --> 00:14:05,713 That's all. I don't want to teach you the chords, 181 00:14:05,803 --> 00:14:07,919 - or the melody. - Okay. 182 00:14:08,014 --> 00:14:12,098 I just want it from your ears, through your brain, 183 00:14:12,268 --> 00:14:16,102 to what you do on the harmonium, and what he does on the tabla. 184 00:14:27,075 --> 00:14:30,317 Bill: My name's bill. I'm an artist. 185 00:14:30,661 --> 00:14:35,200 And... 186 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:38,412 I'm on a twelve-year tour of the world. 187 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:46,792 Bill: And, each year, I work in a different city, in a different country. 188 00:14:52,767 --> 00:14:57,727 Bill: This year kolkata, India. 189 00:14:57,939 --> 00:15:02,808 Next year, a small town in the usa called Lexington. 190 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:11,024 - What's the name? - Lexing-ton. 191 00:15:30,430 --> 00:15:33,797 Bill: So, I'm going to be working with you two on Saturday. 192 00:15:33,891 --> 00:15:35,131 - Yes, yes. - Yes? 193 00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:37,850 We're going to be making cakes. Yes. 194 00:15:37,979 --> 00:15:39,515 - From 10:30. - From 10:30. 195 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:42,312 - For eleven. - I think that's all I need to explain now. 196 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,480 There'll be more stuff that comes up on the Saturday. 197 00:15:44,527 --> 00:15:48,315 - Yes. We are very excited. - It's just cake baking. 198 00:16:58,893 --> 00:17:00,849 Tracey: Lovely, thank you. 199 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:05,187 Susmita: Are you an artist? 200 00:17:05,483 --> 00:17:06,939 I'm a... yeah. 201 00:17:07,068 --> 00:17:10,856 But do you paint? Like... baking cakes? 202 00:17:10,947 --> 00:17:13,529 What actually you do? 203 00:17:13,616 --> 00:17:16,483 This is what I do. I'm doing it now! 204 00:17:16,702 --> 00:17:19,364 - You are baking cakes? - Yeah, I'm baking cakes! 205 00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:21,988 - Every time? - No! 206 00:17:22,083 --> 00:17:25,951 I do lots of different things. I bang a drum. I blow a horn. 207 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:29,629 - I paint paintings. - Ah, that's the question. 208 00:17:34,011 --> 00:17:36,753 Bill: / didn't want to express emotion in the painting. 209 00:17:36,847 --> 00:17:39,179 I wanted the painting to have a job. 210 00:17:39,267 --> 00:17:42,259 Also, I had this other thing that nobody should make big art. 211 00:17:42,353 --> 00:17:44,844 I didn't want to make impressive art. I wanted to make... 212 00:17:44,939 --> 00:17:46,725 Small art? Smaller art. 213 00:17:50,778 --> 00:17:55,488 And then put some words on it to do with what I was working on then. 214 00:17:55,658 --> 00:17:58,900 So that the painting became an advertisement... 215 00:17:58,995 --> 00:18:01,532 - Okay. - For what I was doing. 216 00:18:02,164 --> 00:18:05,748 Bill: And there's 25 of them. And so, I have a painting 217 00:18:05,835 --> 00:18:07,291 that just says "bake cake". 218 00:18:07,378 --> 00:18:11,712 So, then the painting is doing a job. It's not there to be beautiful. 219 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,882 - It's for a purpose. - It's for a purpose. 220 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,952 - Bill: Fantastic. - Musician: Really? 221 00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:50,292 - Bill: Beautiful, yes. - Musician: Thank you. 222 00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:53,538 - Bill: Finished. - Musician: Finished. 223 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:56,625 Thank you very much. 224 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:02,596 This will be the kolkata cake circle. 225 00:19:02,683 --> 00:19:05,015 Okay, we are here, right? “We're here. 226 00:19:05,102 --> 00:19:06,592 - Okay. - Where's your house? 227 00:19:06,687 --> 00:19:07,847 Okay, now... 228 00:19:08,064 --> 00:19:10,225 There's going to be five cakes. 229 00:19:10,691 --> 00:19:14,400 You've got to show me a route to get to there, roughly. 230 00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:16,439 - And then to that one. - Right. 231 00:19:16,572 --> 00:19:18,858 - And then to that one. - Okay. 232 00:19:19,950 --> 00:19:23,909 And then I go to the edge of the circle, and I knock on the door, and say, 233 00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:26,658 "I've baked you a cake, here it is." 234 00:19:26,999 --> 00:19:28,660 And they don't know who I am. 235 00:19:28,751 --> 00:19:31,333 They don't know what I've come for, why I'm there. 236 00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:34,708 They just know there's a strange man knocking on their door, 237 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:36,335 offering them a cake. 238 00:19:36,425 --> 00:19:38,586 And you can see straight away in their eyes, 239 00:19:38,678 --> 00:19:41,010 they're thinking, "why should I take this cake? 240 00:19:41,097 --> 00:19:44,339 "Has he poisoned it, or is he trying to sell me something?" 241 00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:47,850 - Kidnap me. - Pardon? "Kidnap me", yep. 242 00:19:47,978 --> 00:19:50,094 Any of these things, all right. 243 00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:54,857 Paul: What is tandra saying? 244 00:19:58,322 --> 00:20:01,405 No, I am telling if they will go, 245 00:20:01,492 --> 00:20:04,450 and they will give the cake, and nobody is here, 246 00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:06,823 they do not know then why you are giving. 247 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:10,031 "Why they are giving us? We can take our food. 248 00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:11,582 "Why they are giving?" 249 00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:15,378 That's why I tell, you have to explain what is the project. 250 00:20:15,506 --> 00:20:18,873 - No, no. No. This is completely wrong. - Then? 251 00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:22,214 Then what they will tell when they will ask? 252 00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:24,215 That's for the people to decide. 253 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:27,803 - They will take or not. - Yeah, they decide, they decide. 254 00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:30,225 We don't have to explain. 255 00:20:30,312 --> 00:20:32,724 If you explain it, it just becomes a thing. 256 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:34,931 It just becomes an understandable thing. 257 00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:37,812 If you can understand something, it... 258 00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:40,064 It starts losing something. 259 00:20:40,156 --> 00:20:41,396 Okay. 260 00:20:42,825 --> 00:20:45,862 It is more important... 261 00:20:45,995 --> 00:20:49,658 Okay, whatever he will tell me, I will translate it. 262 00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:55,455 You understand, don't you? 263 00:20:55,546 --> 00:20:57,582 - I know you understand. - Yes, I understand. 264 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:02,087 It's a loss of inner meaning. 265 00:21:03,721 --> 00:21:09,387 Why, when, what, and who... yes. 266 00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:13,432 Are the four handmaidens of evil. 267 00:21:13,522 --> 00:21:15,137 Of Satan. 268 00:21:17,985 --> 00:21:21,603 Bill: / got it wrong, actually. It's why, where, what, and when. 269 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:25,440 Why, where, what, and when are the four handmaidens. 270 00:21:25,534 --> 00:21:29,652 - Yes. - Not the "who". I got that wrong. 271 00:21:40,966 --> 00:21:42,986 Tracey: And do you want a photo with you and the girls 272 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:44,170 when you give the cake over? 273 00:21:44,261 --> 00:21:46,092 Bill: Should there be a group shot, or not? 274 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:47,180 Tracey: Yeah. 275 00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:48,879 How do you want to do the group shot? 276 00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:50,911 With the person who answers the door, with the cake. 277 00:21:50,935 --> 00:21:54,974 So they're holding the cake a little bit forward. Yeah? 278 00:21:55,064 --> 00:21:58,147 Yeah. Not me in it, though? 279 00:21:58,234 --> 00:22:00,065 Just them, and the person. 280 00:22:00,152 --> 00:22:02,564 No, it'll be nice to have you in there as well. 281 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,609 But if you don't wanna be in there... 282 00:22:09,912 --> 00:22:12,528 I might look too big. 283 00:22:13,624 --> 00:22:15,489 - Big? - Mmm. 284 00:22:16,210 --> 00:22:19,418 I can stand back further. 285 00:22:32,309 --> 00:22:34,345 - Okay, we'll go from this side. - Yep. 286 00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:38,896 Okay. Actually, we'll take the road, like, not from here, but from this side. 287 00:22:38,983 --> 00:22:40,814 - Okay. - We'll go... 288 00:22:40,901 --> 00:22:41,901 Anti-clock... 289 00:22:41,986 --> 00:22:43,226 - Clockwise. - Clockwise. 290 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,404 - She's making the decisions. - Yeah, she said clockwise... 291 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:52,652 So0, you've got to lead the way. 292 00:22:52,746 --> 00:22:55,783 Susmita: Okay, you've baked this cake, and... 293 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,788 - It is a form of art. - Bill: Maybe. I don't know. I can't... 294 00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:03,246 So, does it help you in your living, or just...? 295 00:23:04,133 --> 00:23:07,170 - Do you mean, does it earn me a living? - Yes, yes. 296 00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:10,170 - Giving away cakes, for free? - For free. 297 00:23:10,347 --> 00:23:13,089 Er... not directly. 298 00:23:14,184 --> 00:23:19,269 We've baked you a cake, and we'd like to give it to you. 299 00:23:24,695 --> 00:23:27,607 Bill: But we'd like to have a photograph of you. 300 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:30,026 Tracey: Smile! 301 00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:36,158 - That's lovely, thank you. - Bill: Okay, thank you! 302 00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:38,614 But I'm not selling the cake as a piece of art. 303 00:23:38,709 --> 00:23:40,415 That's what I'm asking. 304 00:23:45,341 --> 00:23:48,128 - Trace, do you want the cake sloped? - Yeah. 305 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:51,297 Ask them to slope the cake. 306 00:23:51,889 --> 00:23:53,629 - Okay? - Okay. 307 00:23:54,558 --> 00:23:56,344 Put your hand down, bill. 308 00:23:57,061 --> 00:24:00,599 I mean, this piece of cake is a cake. It's not a great cake. 309 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:03,476 - But it's a cake. - It's the best cake we could make... 310 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:06,229 - Okay. - With, er... what we'd got. 311 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:10,855 Susmita: Now, we have... 312 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:14,067 We have arrived. Now you can choose any door if you want. 313 00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:15,776 - Bill: Okay. - This is the whole line. 314 00:24:15,871 --> 00:24:19,409 Bill: We have baked you a cake. 315 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:23,459 And it's for you, for free. For free. 316 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,339 That's for you, and his family. 317 00:24:34,473 --> 00:24:38,887 And, er... and she wants to take a photograph of you. 318 00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:41,635 - Where do you want us? - Right outside here. 319 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:43,971 Can you come...? 320 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,767 No, no, bring the cake with you. 321 00:24:47,987 --> 00:24:51,024 Tracey: Just stood against there, yeah. 322 00:24:51,907 --> 00:24:55,195 - That's lovely. Thank you. - Okay, thank you. 323 00:24:57,204 --> 00:25:01,117 Thank you very much. 324 00:25:05,462 --> 00:25:08,169 Man: It looks like caterpillar! 325 00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:15,420 Bill: Now, the kolkata cake circle has been constructed. 326 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:16,950 - Susmita: Yes. - Bill: This is a sculpture. 327 00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:18,214 We've made the sculpture. 328 00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:21,345 - Susmita: Okay, mission accomplished! - Bill: Yes. 329 00:25:23,272 --> 00:25:26,810 Susmita: So, tomorrow we are doing... face painting. 330 00:25:27,317 --> 00:25:30,275 Bill: I've got to make soup tomorrow as well. 331 00:25:33,615 --> 00:25:35,071 Tracey: That's great. 332 00:26:02,853 --> 00:26:04,309 Pulak chanda: Do you have a list? 333 00:26:04,897 --> 00:26:08,856 Bill: No, I don't need a list. I look at the vegetables. 334 00:26:21,455 --> 00:26:22,615 Thank you. 335 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:29,668 Think of the soup more like 336 00:26:29,838 --> 00:26:33,080 communion wine. It's not, er... 337 00:26:33,175 --> 00:26:35,587 We're not gonna sit here and fill our bellies. 338 00:26:36,512 --> 00:26:37,797 Tracey: Great, thank you. 339 00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:45,385 - Cauliflower? - Two, two? Three? Maybe three. 340 00:26:47,022 --> 00:26:50,355 Can I taste it here, yeah? Yes. 341 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,279 - Give me, give me. - No, I hold it. It's my job to hold it. 342 00:27:00,369 --> 00:27:03,111 - No, it's unfair. - No, I have to hold it. 343 00:27:03,205 --> 00:27:08,916 It's part of his thing, he wants to always carry it, chop it, cook it. 344 00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:15,335 Tracey: This is like buying the colours for the painting. 345 00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:19,384 - Pulak: You are not doing painting. - Bill: I'm just giving an example. 346 00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:21,803 It's just an ingredient, but this is part of it. 347 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:25,382 And part of it, in my head, is me carrying the vegetables. 348 00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:28,184 Pulak: You always carry your own things? 349 00:27:28,272 --> 00:27:31,184 Bill: No. Depends what it is. But for this thing, 350 00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:33,432 making this soup is me making the soup, 351 00:27:33,527 --> 00:27:36,064 and me going to the local place, 352 00:27:36,155 --> 00:27:39,238 buying the stuff, getting it, 353 00:27:39,324 --> 00:27:42,066 chopping it up, cooking it, putting it together. 354 00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:46,245 Excuse me. If you like to buy the cauliflower, more... 355 00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,413 No, I think I have enough. 356 00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:52,626 - Susmita: Bill? - Bill: Yes. 357 00:27:52,713 --> 00:27:55,955 Susmita: I was reading about you in the Wikipedia. 358 00:27:56,049 --> 00:27:58,040 Bill: In the Wikipedia, yes. 359 00:27:58,135 --> 00:28:02,970 Susmita: I saw something: "K foundation and klf". 360 00:28:03,056 --> 00:28:06,344 - Bill: Yeah... - Susmita: What it is all about? 361 00:28:06,435 --> 00:28:09,427 Bill: It's a long time ago. I've forgotten now. 362 00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:12,183 Susmita: No, are you part of it or something? 363 00:28:12,274 --> 00:28:14,765 - It's two people. - Yes, you and... 364 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,772 - And Jimmy cauty. Okay? - Cauty, yes, yes. 365 00:28:17,988 --> 00:28:19,728 And we're now... 366 00:28:19,823 --> 00:28:22,280 We had a 23-year... 367 00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:24,449 Do you know the word "moratorium"? 368 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:26,986 Moratorium is when you stop doing something. 369 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:33,709 Bill: But, in fact, we have been working. But secretly. 370 00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:37,913 Susmita: Okay, and then I saw that k foundation, or something, they are... 371 00:28:38,008 --> 00:28:39,919 Bill: We worked under different names: 372 00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:44,219 Klf, justified ancients of mu mu, timelords, k foundation. 373 00:28:44,306 --> 00:28:45,967 Susmita: And you all record music, 374 00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:49,767 but you all decided not to until world peace is established. 375 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:51,889 Bill: No, that's what we said. 376 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:54,141 But, when we said that, all we thought we had to do was 377 00:28:54,233 --> 00:28:58,476 not let any more cds or records go out. 378 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:01,311 We didn't know there was gonna be YouTube. 379 00:29:01,406 --> 00:29:02,441 Okay. 380 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:04,193 Do you know? And things like that. 381 00:29:04,284 --> 00:29:06,240 And, of course, everything can be on YouTube. 382 00:29:06,328 --> 00:29:08,944 - Yes, everything. - Yeah, the whole world's on YouTube. 383 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,122 - This'll be on YouTube, probably. - Okay. 384 00:29:15,462 --> 00:29:17,373 Susmita: I was curious, okay? 385 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:20,376 "He's such a famous person, his songs are on..." 386 00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:22,924 You've got even brit awards. 387 00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:25,548 Yeah but that's... It's all a long time ago. 388 00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:28,301 Yeah, 1982 or something. 1998. 389 00:29:28,392 --> 00:29:31,429 1992 - '92, okay. 390 00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:34,686 Susmita: Even you are the most coolest person. 391 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:35,808 Bill: What? 392 00:29:35,899 --> 00:29:37,543 - Susmita: Coolest person. - Bill: Foolish? 393 00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:41,526 - Susmita: Coolest! C-o-o-l-e-s-t. - That's a long time ago, okay. 394 00:29:41,613 --> 00:29:43,729 Susmita: Yes. Still lives. 395 00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:45,860 Tracey: Can you face the side? 396 00:29:54,376 --> 00:29:58,585 Bill: A place that sells wood? 397 00:30:01,091 --> 00:30:03,628 - Man: Wood! - Bill: Not bamboo. 398 00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:08,966 Bill: Wood! Like this wood here. Like this. 399 00:30:18,984 --> 00:30:21,396 - Bill: Paul? Can you hear me? - Paul: Yes. 400 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:22,726 Bill: He's not filming, is he? 401 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:24,257 Cameraman: I'm filming other things, bill. 402 00:30:24,281 --> 00:30:25,817 You just happen to be in them. 403 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:35,788 Bill: A steam roller. Haha, excellent! 404 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:41,916 Bill: He's got wood. Look! 405 00:30:48,597 --> 00:30:50,212 This is it. 406 00:30:50,307 --> 00:30:53,174 Bill: Oh yeah, yeah. That's timber, isn't it? 407 00:30:58,899 --> 00:31:02,141 Bill: Do you have a ladle? I forgot to bring a ladle. 408 00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:10,444 I have to serve it. Yes. 409 00:31:13,455 --> 00:31:16,242 - Assistant: Five pieces. - Five. 410 00:31:18,585 --> 00:31:20,576 Okay, okay, okay. Pass it up. 411 00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:41,264 - It smells good. - There's too much potato in that one. 412 00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:08,757 Okay. That's it. 413 00:32:10,512 --> 00:32:12,503 Tracey: Have you seen that, down by there? 414 00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:13,837 What, the goddess? 415 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,326 Tracey: That statue. Yeah, what is that? 416 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:16,760 I dunno what... 417 00:32:20,147 --> 00:32:21,728 Has he got that filmed? 418 00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:25,307 Avuit: I want to get back into the thing that you were saying 419 00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:28,561 about being validated by the new yorkers. 420 00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:30,771 You know, like the rich new yorkers. The élitists. 421 00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:34,950 And you work very much with common people. 422 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:36,776 And third world countries. 423 00:32:36,872 --> 00:32:40,785 And interesting places. Industrial towns, and... 424 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,497 Like, what is the significance of all of this? 425 00:32:44,588 --> 00:32:46,078 I don't know! 426 00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:49,714 Look, okay, the reason why I'm in kolkata 427 00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:53,089 isn't because it's a third world country. 428 00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:57,844 It's because I got invited here twenty years ago 429 00:32:57,934 --> 00:33:01,552 fo come with two other British people who were maybe gonna make a film, 430 00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:03,408 and they wanted me to write the film script, 431 00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:05,848 and they wanted me to go to the temple of Kali. 432 00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:12,521 And it's not that I have some big thing about the hindu pantheon of gods, 433 00:33:12,616 --> 00:33:14,607 but it was going to kalighat, 434 00:33:14,701 --> 00:33:18,444 and going to the temple then, that part of me 435 00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:20,244 realised I'd messed up with women. 436 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:22,744 - Okay. - That I'd done things... 437 00:33:23,793 --> 00:33:28,002 And, in my head, walking down kalighat, 438 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:30,250 twenty-odd years ago, and going to that temple, 439 00:33:30,383 --> 00:33:31,463 there was something there. 440 00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:34,293 So, I knew, if I'm doing this twelve-year tour, 441 00:33:34,471 --> 00:33:38,134 each of the cities had to have a meaning in my life. 442 00:33:38,225 --> 00:33:41,809 And that's why I came here. Not because it's third world. 443 00:33:43,605 --> 00:33:46,142 Bill: Where's nabaroon's office? 444 00:33:58,537 --> 00:34:03,782 Okay, so this is where I'm asking you, and they're filming, okay? 445 00:34:03,917 --> 00:34:08,581 What I'm doing, I'm an artist, working in different cities around the world. 446 00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:12,297 So, obviously, right now I'm working in kolkata, staying here. 447 00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:16,502 And one of the things I've been doing in different places around the world 448 00:34:16,596 --> 00:34:18,803 is making a bed, out of wood. 449 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:21,848 And usually I make it out in the street. 450 00:34:21,935 --> 00:34:27,931 And I sell raffle tickets for, like, a rupee. 451 00:34:28,024 --> 00:34:29,627 - Do you know what a raffle ticket...? - Yeah. 452 00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:34,941 And then, after I've made the bed, I pick a winner, and take it to their... 453 00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:37,113 So, where you are you going to make the bed? 454 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,781 This is why I'm talking to you. 455 00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:42,118 Because, usually, I just go and find somewhere to make it. 456 00:34:42,205 --> 00:34:45,697 But there's part of me, staying in the hotel, 457 00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:48,078 would like to make the bed here. 458 00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:54,381 And not raffle it, but actually have it in the room that I've been staying in. 459 00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:58,594 And it stays there, and I write a story about the bed. 460 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,595 And, for me, the bed's not the art. It's the life of the bed, you know. 461 00:35:04,269 --> 00:35:07,887 Could I make a bed here? Would that be okay if I...? 462 00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:12,311 - Nabaroon: How long it will take? - Bill: /t takes two days. 463 00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:15,105 Nabaroon: You can use this place to make your bed. 464 00:35:15,196 --> 00:35:16,231 Bill: Okay. 465 00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:18,609 And I've got to ask the film people now. 466 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,406 Is that an okay place over there? 467 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:21,608 - Yeah. - Fine. 468 00:35:22,287 --> 00:35:26,326 Avuit: I feel like you revisit things from your past. 469 00:35:26,416 --> 00:35:30,580 And you think that kolkata has some kind of long-lasting influence 470 00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:33,912 in your head and, therefore, coming here is sort of like... 471 00:35:34,007 --> 00:35:35,122 Bill: It did! 472 00:35:35,216 --> 00:35:38,800 Coming here is about addressing my relationship with women. 473 00:35:38,887 --> 00:35:40,593 That is what this is about. 474 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,325 And there is something about the city that's... 475 00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:44,965 Avijit: I would like you to elaborate on that. 476 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:48,889 Like, how are you, um...? 477 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:51,062 Bill: Okay, look, I've got seven children, 478 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,685 and there are four mothers. 479 00:35:52,776 --> 00:35:55,188 - Avuit: Okay. - Bill: That's complicated. 480 00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:47,281 Tracey: That's the silhouette one. 481 00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:48,862 Have a look. 482 00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:51,869 - It's quite nice, innit? - Yep. 483 00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:55,331 - Look. - Yeah, that's cool. That's good. 484 00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:09,177 - Bill: Also crows. - Avijit: Okay. 485 00:37:09,269 --> 00:37:11,635 Bill: Crows. The fact there's so many crows here. 486 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:13,391 - Avuit: Okay. - Bill: And I relate... 487 00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:15,346 I identify with the crow, okay? 488 00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:18,149 Avuit: The observer, and quick on their feet. 489 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:19,601 Bill: Whatever, I don't know why. 490 00:37:19,696 --> 00:37:23,985 No, 'cause in Europe, crows fly in a straight line, 491 00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:27,863 across the sky, and I think of myself as a crow. 492 00:37:31,458 --> 00:37:34,541 Bill: Yeah. Pick it up. Go back. 493 00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:36,037 It's heavy. 494 00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:37,744 Okay, that'll do. 495 00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,377 It's getting more bed-like now, isn't it? 496 00:37:41,468 --> 00:37:43,004 Oh, it looks like a bed now. 497 00:37:43,094 --> 00:37:45,085 Avijit: Remember you getting on top of a tree 498 00:37:46,139 --> 00:37:48,050 did that have anything to do with being a crow? 499 00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:52,933 Bill: Ah, could you give me a hand? 500 00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:58,935 Bill: What that was to do was, 501 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,193 as a child, I would climb trees a lot. 502 00:38:04,574 --> 00:38:07,190 And I'd spend a long time up trees, 503 00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:09,780 looking down at the world, 504 00:38:09,871 --> 00:38:12,908 and looking down at society, knowing they couldn't see me. 505 00:38:13,708 --> 00:38:16,120 If you lift it up, and then... 506 00:38:18,129 --> 00:38:20,791 Bill: / was looking. Looking, looking, looking. 507 00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:23,964 Hidden in the trees, looking. 508 00:38:40,443 --> 00:38:42,684 Okay, thank you. 509 00:38:44,531 --> 00:38:47,022 Tracey: This is looking more like a bed now. 510 00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:49,448 What do you have to do, just knock nails in? 511 00:38:49,536 --> 00:38:50,571 Bill: Screw 'em in. 512 00:38:50,662 --> 00:38:53,870 - Tracey: Screw nails in, then? - Bill: No, screw screws in. 513 00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:56,034 Tracey: And is that it then, finished? 514 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:59,284 Bill: Yeah, but this bit's gonna take the best part of a working day. 515 00:38:59,379 --> 00:39:02,621 - Tracey: What, screwing nails in? - Bill: No, screws. 516 00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:04,501 Tracey: Really? 517 00:39:04,592 --> 00:39:07,129 Can't you get a power screwdriver? 518 00:39:07,804 --> 00:39:09,920 Bill: No, I'm supposed to screw 'em in. 519 00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:12,676 Tracey: Why don't you just go and get a power screwdriver? 520 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,434 Bill: Why don't I just go and buy a bed? 521 00:39:25,864 --> 00:39:28,697 - Tracey: Can you hear them? - Bill: What, those crows? 522 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:31,654 Tracey: I feel really sorry for this little one, bill. 523 00:39:32,662 --> 00:39:34,778 Why can't it...? Do you think it's damaged its wing? 524 00:39:34,873 --> 00:39:36,113 Bill: I don't know. 525 00:39:37,083 --> 00:39:39,665 Tracey: Like if you picked it up, and threw it, would it go? 526 00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:43,244 Bill: I don't think so. You could try. 527 00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:45,295 Tracey: I'm not picking it up. 528 00:39:46,426 --> 00:39:48,542 I'm not very good with birds. 529 00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,231 Tracey: / like that, you're part of the tree. 530 00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,614 I am part of the tree. I'm part tree. 531 00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:24,064 Tracey: I don't know if that's long enough there. 532 00:40:24,088 --> 00:40:25,498 Bill: It'll be fine. 533 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,364 Tracey: So you're measuring it out just to see 534 00:40:43,399 --> 00:40:44,605 if it's the one that you need? 535 00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:46,683 No, I need the other one. I can see that, now. 536 00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:49,110 I thought they were really heavy. 537 00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:57,076 - Tracey:: Do you want me to hold her? - No, it's heavy enough. 538 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,341 Bill: And then we have to get the three by ones, 539 00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:17,509 the one by threes as well. 540 00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:23,349 Okay, then, I'll get these one by fours. That'll do. 541 00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:26,146 Timber merchant: So, what exactly do you do? 542 00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:28,023 Bill: I'm an artist. 543 00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:30,272 I'm doing this world tour over twelve years. 544 00:41:30,363 --> 00:41:32,854 I'm working in a different city each year. 545 00:41:32,949 --> 00:41:35,691 Last year I was in kolkata, in India. 546 00:41:35,785 --> 00:41:38,777 This year, I'm in Lexington, north Carolina. 547 00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:40,452 Timber merchant: That's cool. 548 00:41:40,623 --> 00:41:43,831 One, two, three! Okay. 549 00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,623 Bill: "Twelve beds, twelve cities, twelve years 550 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,132 "is a sculpture being constructed by bill drummond 551 00:41:56,222 --> 00:42:00,966 "during the course of the 25 paintings world tour. 552 00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:04,811 "In each of the twelve cities visited over the twelve years, 553 00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:07,889 "bill drummond..." That's me, that's me, 554 00:42:07,984 --> 00:42:10,771 "will make a bed with his own hand tools 555 00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:12,648 "out of wood sourced locally. 556 00:42:12,739 --> 00:42:15,981 "He will then sleep on the bed for one night, 557 00:42:16,075 --> 00:42:21,035 "and leave the bed behind fo do the job it was created to do. 558 00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:22,991 "The art is hot the bed. 559 00:42:23,082 --> 00:42:26,119 "The art is the dreams dreamt in the bed. 560 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,502 "Twelve beds, twelve cities, twelve years 561 00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:34,378 “is a child of the mothership sculpture forty beds." 562 00:42:36,763 --> 00:42:38,299 That's it. That's this bed. 563 00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:40,050 And tonight's the night. 564 00:42:46,022 --> 00:42:47,637 I need to have a beer now. 565 00:43:02,622 --> 00:43:04,704 What have I done? Oh, no, drummond! 566 00:43:04,791 --> 00:43:06,952 - Tracey: What have you done? - You fucking... 567 00:43:07,043 --> 00:43:09,910 Tracey: You've put it on the posts? Never mind. 568 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:12,962 - Just... just keep control. - Tracey: Rub it off with a rubber. 569 00:43:13,174 --> 00:43:14,814 Bill: Once I've got all this measured out, 570 00:43:14,842 --> 00:43:16,673 the rest of the day's just chiselling. 571 00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:24,766 Tracey: Oh, look at that squirrel running across the line. 572 00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:30,479 - Hey. - Hi. 573 00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:33,599 - Hey, lovely job! - Okay. 574 00:43:37,323 --> 00:43:39,609 - Man: What are you making? - I'm making a bed. 575 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:40,906 - A bed? - Yeah. 576 00:43:40,993 --> 00:43:42,529 On. 577 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,656 Ah, they gonna put you outside, huh? 578 00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:45,577 Pardon? 579 00:43:45,665 --> 00:43:48,532 They gonna leave you outside sleeping? 580 00:43:50,253 --> 00:43:51,959 Maybe, I don't know, 581 00:43:52,046 --> 00:43:54,037 but I'm making a bed and it'll be... 582 00:43:54,132 --> 00:43:56,418 It'll end up being for somebody round here. 583 00:43:58,553 --> 00:44:00,259 Where y'all from? 584 00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:04,134 She's from wales, I'm from Scotland, and we live in London. 585 00:44:05,143 --> 00:44:06,303 You're a long way from home. 586 00:44:06,394 --> 00:44:08,601 A long way from home! A long way from home. 587 00:44:14,861 --> 00:44:17,898 That's my daughter, that's my little grandson, 588 00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:20,401 that's my granddaughter, and that's my oldest grandson. 589 00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:22,698 - Tracey: Aah. Hiya. - Man: And that's the latest one. 590 00:44:22,785 --> 00:44:25,948 Bill: And you live here, but your daughter lives elsewhere, yeah? 591 00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:28,058 - No, I live here too. - Man: She lives here with us. 592 00:44:28,082 --> 00:44:29,868 - Bill: Ah, okay! - All of us. 593 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:32,229 Y'all don't leave nothing laying around when you leave, do ya? 594 00:44:32,253 --> 00:44:33,038 Pardon? 595 00:44:33,129 --> 00:44:34,815 Y'all don't leave nothing laying around when you leave? 596 00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:37,251 No, no, no, no, no! Everything will be cleared up. 597 00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:41,001 Woman in car: What y'all filming for? 598 00:44:41,095 --> 00:44:44,462 Bill: I'm an artist, I'm from Scotland, and I'm building a bed. 599 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,591 The bed's not the art. It's the life of the bed that's the art. 600 00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:50,222 The romances, or the births, 601 00:44:50,313 --> 00:44:51,974 or the deaths, or the dreams, 602 00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:54,020 - or kids playing underneath it. - Right. 603 00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:57,066 - That's the art. - And will it be inside... 604 00:44:57,153 --> 00:44:59,339 - Will someone put it in their house? - Yeah, what I'll do, 605 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,399 what I'm doing is I'm taking down names of people, 606 00:45:01,490 --> 00:45:03,822 and then, when the bed's finished, 607 00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:06,697 I put the names in a hat and draw out one... 608 00:45:06,787 --> 00:45:08,323 Can I put my name in? 609 00:45:08,414 --> 00:45:10,370 - Tracey? - Tracey: What? 610 00:45:10,458 --> 00:45:12,540 Could you get her name? 611 00:45:12,627 --> 00:45:14,229 Because I don't have one. All I have is a futon. 612 00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:17,370 It is only a single bed. 613 00:45:17,465 --> 00:45:21,799 That's all I... look, I'm not married. That's all I need. 614 00:45:23,846 --> 00:45:25,928 And I haven't dated in twelve years, 615 00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:28,597 - so I think I'll be okay in a single bed. - Oh, okay. 616 00:45:42,782 --> 00:45:46,741 Look. Say "make soup". 617 00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:50,157 Bill: "Make soup." I'm going to be making soup here one night, 618 00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:53,081 and hopefully it'll be somebody's house, and make everybody soup. 619 00:45:53,209 --> 00:45:56,121 Say "bake cake". 620 00:45:56,254 --> 00:45:58,666 Bill: I'm going to be baking cakes next week. 621 00:45:59,924 --> 00:46:05,260 Girl: "Man making bed." Yeah. 622 00:46:14,188 --> 00:46:16,166 Tracey: "At the end of my two-year foundation course 623 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:17,976 "in northampton school of art, 624 00:46:18,067 --> 00:46:20,399 "there was the obligatory end of year show. 625 00:46:20,528 --> 00:46:24,237 "I decided to recreate my bedroom within the gallery space. 626 00:46:24,323 --> 00:46:28,236 "Much banging of nails and sawing of wood needed to be done 627 00:46:28,327 --> 00:46:31,239 "to re-create the life-size replica of my bedroom 628 00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:35,664 "with its unmade bed, spit seed-encrusted sheet..." 629 00:46:36,919 --> 00:46:40,707 "Spilt seed-encrusted sheet and all. 630 00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:44,586 "It was the success of the show, for all the wrong reasons, 631 00:46:44,677 --> 00:46:46,463 "but I took note." 632 00:46:46,554 --> 00:46:49,341 So you did the bed before Tracey emin then, basically. 633 00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:53,716 Bill? 634 00:46:53,853 --> 00:46:56,890 I dunno. I don't know what she did when she was young. 635 00:46:56,981 --> 00:46:59,438 Well no, she did it when saatchi bought it, 636 00:46:59,525 --> 00:47:04,440 pretty much the... pretty much a similar thing. She left... 637 00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:09,320 It was like her unmade bed, where she just left everything like around, 638 00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:11,446 her used condoms, bottles of vodka... 639 00:47:11,537 --> 00:47:14,529 I think more had gone on in her bed than had gone on in my bed. 640 00:47:14,623 --> 00:47:19,333 Well you did say "spilt seed-encrusted sheets and all." 641 00:47:24,467 --> 00:47:27,504 "I thought about sitting in mr mcquirter's joinery shop 642 00:47:27,595 --> 00:47:29,756 "as a seven-year-old watching him chiselling. 643 00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:33,180 "I thought about the picture in my Bible story picture book." 644 00:47:33,267 --> 00:47:36,100 Did I see your Bible here? 645 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,182 There. You have to have a Bible with you. 646 00:47:39,607 --> 00:47:41,893 Let's see. That's so random. 647 00:47:41,984 --> 00:47:44,464 I thought I saw a Bible... the Bible. Is that your dad's Bible? 648 00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:46,064 - Yeah. - Can I have a look? 649 00:47:46,155 --> 00:47:48,897 If you're going to the Bible belt, you gotta have a Bible. 650 00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:52,859 So who are... Who's all these names in there? 651 00:47:52,953 --> 00:47:54,033 Let's see. 652 00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:56,001 Is that you copying your dad's name, down there? 653 00:47:56,082 --> 00:47:58,414 Or your dad when your dad got older? 654 00:48:00,461 --> 00:48:02,372 Bill: "Private js drummond." 655 00:48:02,463 --> 00:48:03,327 Aah. 656 00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:06,255 Jack Scott drummond. Yeah. 657 00:48:06,342 --> 00:48:09,084 Tracey: That's lovely, but you take that with you everywhere 658 00:48:09,178 --> 00:48:11,134 that you're building the bed? 659 00:48:11,263 --> 00:48:15,848 - Or did you bring it because of... - No, it was in my tool box. 660 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:18,558 What, just randomly in your tool box? 661 00:48:18,687 --> 00:48:20,643 Well, it usually travels with me. 662 00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:22,596 - Tracey: Okay. - Yeah. 663 00:48:28,406 --> 00:48:30,488 So when I was getting these tools out of my tool box 664 00:48:30,574 --> 00:48:32,986 from underneath my bed that I'd made... 665 00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:34,783 - Tracey: Yeah. - The day before yesterday, 666 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:37,077 or whenever it was. I got that out as well. 667 00:48:38,249 --> 00:48:40,740 Okay, I've done all the joints I was gonna do today now. 668 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:55,175 Man: You can set it right up against the porch right over there. 669 00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:56,847 Bill: Thank you. 670 00:48:57,435 --> 00:48:59,517 - Tracey: Okay, then. - Bill: Okay. 671 00:48:59,645 --> 00:49:02,352 Tracey: Okay, thanks ever so much, and see you tomorrow. 672 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,251 - What was your name again? - Tracey: Patricia. 673 00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:07,187 Patricia. All right, Patricia, see you. See you, Marvin. 674 00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:08,558 Marvin: Have a good night, folks. 675 00:49:08,612 --> 00:49:10,694 - Bill: Bye now. - Tracey: Thank you. Bye. 676 00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:49,379 - Bill: I'm from Scotland. Woman in car: You sound like... 677 00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:51,109 I love your accent. 678 00:49:51,197 --> 00:49:56,032 Bill: But when I was ten years old, I ended up living here for three months. 679 00:49:56,118 --> 00:49:57,278 Woman: Okay. 680 00:49:57,369 --> 00:50:01,453 Bill: And obviously Lexington was a different place than it is now. 681 00:50:01,582 --> 00:50:04,915 Okay, can we give our names? 682 00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:07,368 Yeah, see Tracey here, who I work with. 683 00:50:07,463 --> 00:50:09,044 She's got the list of names, 684 00:50:09,131 --> 00:50:12,214 so if you get a name and a mobile number, we draw, and... 685 00:50:12,301 --> 00:50:15,213 - Do you live locally? - We do, we stay here in Lexington. 686 00:50:15,304 --> 00:50:16,984 - Bill: Oh, okay. - Been here all our life. 687 00:50:24,271 --> 00:50:26,751 Woman: What are y'all doing? Building something onto the house? 688 00:50:26,815 --> 00:50:28,146 Bill: Building a bed. 689 00:50:28,234 --> 00:50:30,350 - Oh. That's neat. - Do you need a bed? 690 00:50:30,444 --> 00:50:31,980 - Nuh-uh. - No, okay. 691 00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:36,022 That is really loud. 692 00:50:37,785 --> 00:50:39,150 How long's it gonna take you? 693 00:50:39,245 --> 00:50:41,236 Bill: I'll be done within the next two hours. 694 00:50:41,330 --> 00:50:44,163 - Tracey: Yeah, so next two hours. - Bill: I hope. I hope. 695 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:47,913 Oh my goodness, that's awesome. Then where do you go? 696 00:50:48,128 --> 00:50:51,461 Bill: Well, we're do... I'm doing stuff all around Lexington 697 00:50:51,549 --> 00:50:53,631 over the next week and a half. 698 00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:55,082 That's good. Are you his wife? 699 00:50:55,177 --> 00:50:58,761 Tracey: No. We work together. We're both artists. 700 00:50:58,847 --> 00:51:01,634 Oh, okay. Well, that's awesome. 701 00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:05,600 - Paul? - Paul: Bill? 702 00:51:05,688 --> 00:51:07,349 Did you film... Film us doing the... 703 00:51:07,439 --> 00:51:11,102 You must have filmed us making the bed in kolkata, yeah? 704 00:51:11,193 --> 00:51:12,979 Paul: Yes, we certainly did. 705 00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:15,652 Can you remember? It was outside the hotel. 706 00:51:15,739 --> 00:51:18,446 What in the street, or not? 707 00:51:18,534 --> 00:51:21,651 - No, it was outside, in the hotel foyer. - Okay. 708 00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:28,787 Remember there was a really accommodating guy there, 709 00:51:28,919 --> 00:51:32,411 - who was like the manager of the hotel. - Okay, yeah. 710 00:51:32,506 --> 00:51:34,609 And then you took the bed up, and you put the bed into 711 00:51:34,633 --> 00:51:36,498 the hotel room where we'd been staying. 712 00:51:36,594 --> 00:51:39,381 - Yeah. - So there was two single beds in there. 713 00:51:39,972 --> 00:51:41,508 Paul: Why do you ask, bill? 714 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:43,260 I just can't remember. 715 00:51:47,938 --> 00:51:51,271 Well, I know... I can remember that the wood was very difficult. 716 00:52:03,996 --> 00:52:05,361 Nearly there. 717 00:52:05,456 --> 00:52:07,663 - What did you say? - I said I'm nearly there. 718 00:52:23,807 --> 00:52:25,410 Tracey: Which way are you putting it down? 719 00:52:25,434 --> 00:52:27,095 Bill: I'm putting it down this way, 720 00:52:27,186 --> 00:52:28,676 and then you can go at the back. 721 00:52:28,771 --> 00:52:30,727 - Tracey: The back? - Bill: Yeah. 722 00:52:34,943 --> 00:52:37,184 Tracey: Ooh! Oh, it's heavy, innit? 723 00:52:37,279 --> 00:52:39,611 - I forget how heavy these are. - Bill: Okay? 724 00:52:41,283 --> 00:52:43,774 Don't film me! 725 00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:51,448 That looks cool. All it needs is a mattress now. 726 00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:53,355 All it needs is a mattress, some bed covering, and some paint. 727 00:52:53,379 --> 00:52:56,041 Bill: You've got very lovely grandchildren. 728 00:52:56,131 --> 00:52:58,747 - Best to check it. - I know, it looks like it's real sturdy. 729 00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:00,673 It is. Solid as a dollar. 730 00:53:01,220 --> 00:53:03,006 Okay? Okay? 731 00:53:03,097 --> 00:53:05,463 Woman: It's not heavy, but it's solid. 732 00:53:10,354 --> 00:53:12,720 You gotta read it out. 733 00:53:12,815 --> 00:53:14,180 Okay. 734 00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:21,945 - Trish? - That's me then. 735 00:53:22,032 --> 00:53:24,023 You won the bed! 736 00:53:26,578 --> 00:53:28,318 Bill: One, two, three. 737 00:53:28,414 --> 00:53:29,654 Okay? 738 00:53:29,748 --> 00:53:31,955 Now you come around there, and then we go over. 739 00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:34,158 - Is this too heavy for you? - Girl: Nope. 740 00:53:34,253 --> 00:53:36,744 Tracey: Do you want me to do it if it's heavy? 741 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,745 Bill: No, I think she's okay. 742 00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:50,382 Trish: You made a bed that looks real sturdy. 743 00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,601 It is! Nice and heavy. 744 00:53:52,688 --> 00:53:55,805 Bill: One, two, three. Okay. 745 00:53:55,899 --> 00:53:58,356 You get it now, take it over. 746 00:54:03,490 --> 00:54:05,651 That's us done for the day. 747 00:54:06,201 --> 00:54:09,068 Trish: Well! Thank you very much, 748 00:54:09,163 --> 00:54:10,699 and I enjoyed watching you all make it. 749 00:54:12,249 --> 00:54:13,955 Bill: I hope you find a good home for it. 750 00:54:14,042 --> 00:54:16,283 As I said, we'll be up early next week 751 00:54:16,378 --> 00:54:17,834 with a mattress for it. 752 00:54:17,921 --> 00:54:18,956 Okay. 753 00:54:19,423 --> 00:54:22,790 Trish: He lived here for three weeks, or three months, or something 754 00:54:22,885 --> 00:54:24,671 when he was a young boy, 755 00:54:24,762 --> 00:54:28,596 but he's doing this all around in different countries. 756 00:54:28,682 --> 00:54:30,013 He's building this bed, 757 00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,012 basically talking about what a bed symbolises. 758 00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:34,934 You know, something that comes to you. 759 00:54:35,063 --> 00:54:37,019 You buy a bed when you get married, 760 00:54:37,107 --> 00:54:39,189 you know, you have a bed when you're having a kid. 761 00:54:39,276 --> 00:54:43,110 You know it goes through your whole lifetime, the bed, so... 762 00:54:43,197 --> 00:54:44,482 All kinds of things. 763 00:54:44,573 --> 00:54:46,859 You dream on the bed, 764 00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:49,362 you think about things on the bed. 765 00:54:49,578 --> 00:54:51,944 Beat each other up on the bed. You know. 766 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:53,654 Whatever on the bed, 767 00:54:53,749 --> 00:54:56,616 you gotta do everything on a bed. You need a bed. 768 00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:58,325 That's neat. 769 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,507 Bill: 71963. My father was a minister 770 00:55:05,594 --> 00:55:08,210 in the presbyterian church, 771 00:55:08,305 --> 00:55:12,173 and you could do this thing called an exchange 772 00:55:12,267 --> 00:55:14,349 where he goes and becomes the minister 773 00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:17,678 in a place called Lexington in north Carolina. 774 00:55:17,773 --> 00:55:20,389 And so we move over there for three months. 775 00:55:20,484 --> 00:55:25,194 And in those days, only film stars and politicians flew. 776 00:55:26,907 --> 00:55:28,738 So we went on a ship. 777 00:55:28,826 --> 00:55:32,990 Took five, six days to get from southampton, 778 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,197 ship across, and come into New York. 779 00:55:36,291 --> 00:55:37,685 - Avujit: Okay, New York. - Bill: New York. 780 00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:39,825 So from our teeny-weeny little town... 781 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,002 - Avijit: To New York. - Bill: To New York. 782 00:55:42,089 --> 00:55:43,900 - The thing that maybe I mention... - Avujit: How old were you then? 783 00:55:43,924 --> 00:55:45,039 Bill: Ten. Avijit: Ten. 784 00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:48,591 Bill: 1963, and I imagined this city of, er... 785 00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,342 You know, Manhattan or New York just shaking at night. 786 00:56:05,195 --> 00:56:06,435 Hey. 787 00:56:17,666 --> 00:56:19,702 Woman in car: What are y'all doing? 788 00:56:19,877 --> 00:56:22,459 Bill: Baking a cake. I'm a man! 789 00:56:22,546 --> 00:56:26,289 Woman in car: Your documentary? About what? 790 00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:28,499 Bill: About me doing different things here. 791 00:56:28,927 --> 00:56:31,464 - Woman: You're english? - Bill: No, I'm Scottish. 792 00:56:31,555 --> 00:56:34,137 Woman: Scottish, okay, how are you baking them there? 793 00:56:34,224 --> 00:56:36,055 Bill: Well, I'm doing it in a toaster oven. 794 00:56:36,143 --> 00:56:37,849 Bill: Okay? 795 00:56:37,936 --> 00:56:40,097 And it's a bit of an experiment. 796 00:56:40,188 --> 00:56:42,458 - Woman: Oh, okay. - Bill: So this is the first one's gone in. 797 00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:44,723 Woman: Okay, that beats everything! 798 00:56:44,818 --> 00:56:47,935 Bill: Okay. All right, see you later. Bye now. 799 00:56:55,412 --> 00:56:57,403 Fantastic! 800 00:57:00,584 --> 00:57:02,370 Only eleven more to go. 801 00:57:13,597 --> 00:57:15,553 Bill: We spend the night in New York, 802 00:57:15,641 --> 00:57:19,850 and then we are to get a train from grand central station down. 803 00:57:19,937 --> 00:57:22,804 I'd never been with so many people, never, you know? 804 00:57:22,898 --> 00:57:25,184 Crowds and crowds all going to the station. 805 00:57:25,275 --> 00:57:27,687 And there's a sea of people, and there's this one person 806 00:57:27,778 --> 00:57:30,485 sitting up on a high chair, facing us, 807 00:57:30,572 --> 00:57:33,735 and I don't know what he's there for. He's higher than us all. 808 00:57:33,825 --> 00:57:37,738 And as I get closer, I realise he's having his shoes shined. 809 00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:40,161 - Avuit: Uh-huh. - Bill: I'm thinking "wow!" 810 00:57:40,248 --> 00:57:42,990 And my favourite job at home was shining shoes. 811 00:57:43,085 --> 00:57:45,667 And I remember thinking "that's the job I want, 812 00:57:45,754 --> 00:57:47,085 "what a fantastic..." 813 00:57:47,172 --> 00:57:48,399 I couldn't understand why anybody else 814 00:57:48,423 --> 00:57:49,943 would have somebody else shine their shoes, 815 00:57:49,967 --> 00:57:52,754 - but he's being paid to shine shoes. - Avuit: Right. 816 00:57:52,844 --> 00:57:56,177 Bill: Obviously, as a ten-year-old, I didn't take on board 817 00:57:56,264 --> 00:58:00,257 that the guy on the floor shining the shoes was black, 818 00:58:00,352 --> 00:58:02,163 - and the guy... - Avijit: Yes, people still do that, 819 00:58:02,187 --> 00:58:04,849 - but the black and white... - Bill: Is dissipated now. 820 00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:06,542 Avuit: "Dissipated” is the right word, yes. 821 00:58:06,566 --> 00:58:07,966 Bill: But this was pre-civil rights. 822 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:10,142 Avuit: When they had separate bathrooms. 823 00:58:10,278 --> 00:58:13,591 - Bill: You know, it was all completely... - Aviujit: The bus, you had to sit at the back. 824 00:58:13,615 --> 00:58:15,822 Bill: Yeah, it was all like that then. 825 00:58:15,909 --> 00:58:19,026 Bill: And then we got to this Lexington in north Carolina. 826 00:58:19,121 --> 00:58:22,454 In the middle of this town, there was a courthouse. 827 00:58:22,541 --> 00:58:25,374 And outside the courthouse there were these stone steps. 828 00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:28,122 And if you wanted somebody to cut your grass, 829 00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:30,875 or paint your... outside of your house, or anything, 830 00:58:30,966 --> 00:58:34,424 you'd go down there, there's always some black men hanging round. 831 00:58:34,511 --> 00:58:36,968 And you'd go and you offer them a few dollars, 832 00:58:37,055 --> 00:58:39,592 and they'd come and cut your grass, or whatever the job. 833 00:58:39,725 --> 00:58:42,842 And the reason why they went there, these stone steps 834 00:58:42,936 --> 00:58:45,222 is where they used to auction the slaves. 835 00:58:45,731 --> 00:58:49,849 And when slavery was abolished, after the civil war, 836 00:58:50,277 --> 00:58:52,108 black men would go there 837 00:58:52,195 --> 00:58:54,811 because they knew that's where the white man comes to get you. 838 00:58:54,906 --> 00:58:57,318 And I couldn't believe that this thing was still there. 839 00:58:57,409 --> 00:58:59,115 - Avujit: A prevalent thing? - Bill: Yeah. 840 00:58:59,202 --> 00:59:03,696 But also, at that point in time, in 1963, 841 00:59:03,832 --> 00:59:06,949 there were people still alive who were born into slavery. 842 00:59:07,044 --> 00:59:10,912 And so I met people whose grandmothers or grandfathers 843 00:59:11,006 --> 00:59:12,462 had been working slaves. 844 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:17,543 And then, the white community, whose grandparents had been slave owners. 845 00:59:42,370 --> 00:59:44,861 - Bill: Paul? - Paul: Yes? 846 00:59:44,956 --> 00:59:47,618 Bill: / somehow think this is not gonna happen here. 847 00:59:47,793 --> 00:59:49,395 Paul: I know, it's very difficult to, er... 848 00:59:49,419 --> 00:59:52,536 There is no shoes here. 849 00:59:52,631 --> 00:59:55,668 I can Polish my own, but that goes... 850 00:59:56,009 --> 00:59:57,044 Paul: I know. 851 00:59:57,135 --> 00:59:58,988 I think we should at least sit here for the duration. 852 00:59:59,012 --> 01:00:02,004 - I've seen at least two pairs of shoes. - Okay. 853 01:00:13,985 --> 01:00:16,476 Excuse me! Do you want your shoes shined? 854 01:00:26,206 --> 01:00:27,491 No. 855 01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:31,492 Man: What is the meaning of the words? 856 01:00:32,921 --> 01:00:35,128 - What's the meaning? - Yes. 857 01:00:35,298 --> 01:00:38,506 Have you read this? So I'm collecting dreams. 858 01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:50,852 Bill: I can't hear. I'm too deaf. 859 01:00:55,527 --> 01:00:57,813 Okay. Okay. 860 01:00:59,573 --> 01:01:01,564 See you, bye now. 861 01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:24,761 Paul? I think this is wrong. 862 01:01:25,849 --> 01:01:30,513 Here. I really do. I somehow think... 863 01:01:33,565 --> 01:01:37,649 It's not that I feel personally uncomfortable. 864 01:01:37,736 --> 01:01:39,977 Well I do, but not... 865 01:01:43,575 --> 01:01:46,157 This is the first time I've done something here 866 01:01:46,244 --> 01:01:48,701 where I'm actually thinking, 867 01:01:49,539 --> 01:01:51,245 "this isn't..." 868 01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:54,491 Paul: It's entirely up to you. If you want to, you can... 869 01:01:55,795 --> 01:01:58,207 Bill: Okay, I can Polish his shoes! 870 01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:06,545 She is asking, can you change their skin colours? 871 01:02:13,063 --> 01:02:15,429 Bill: Can you write in my book? 872 01:02:15,523 --> 01:02:18,356 - Ask him for his dream. - Man: Yes. 873 01:02:21,154 --> 01:02:23,440 Just... but just short, not long. Just a short... 874 01:02:23,531 --> 01:02:27,023 Man: Yeah, I know, briefly. Dancer? What's the dance? 875 01:02:28,161 --> 01:02:30,072 Pop dancer? 876 01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:31,744 Listen, bill. 877 01:02:31,831 --> 01:02:34,197 He like to be pop dancer in future. 878 01:02:34,292 --> 01:02:35,907 - You what? - Pop dancer. 879 01:02:36,002 --> 01:02:37,742 - Fine. - Is good? 880 01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:13,453 Bill: Euckin' hell! 881 01:03:25,051 --> 01:03:26,291 Okay. 882 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,177 Bill: One of the other things I'm doing in Lexington, 883 01:03:29,264 --> 01:03:32,006 is doing this "baking a cake" thing. 884 01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:33,931 And I've got a map of Lexington, 885 01:03:34,019 --> 01:03:36,622 and where I bake the cake's going to be in the centre of the circle. 886 01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:39,137 And then I'm going to be delivering the cakes 887 01:03:39,482 --> 01:03:42,098 to different places on the cake circle. 888 01:03:42,193 --> 01:03:44,684 And, to distribute the cakes... 889 01:03:44,779 --> 01:03:47,737 Is it your son, or your... 890 01:03:47,824 --> 01:03:50,987 - The 35-year-old guy? - Oh, my son. 891 01:03:51,077 --> 01:03:53,159 - What's his name, again? - Matthew. 892 01:03:53,246 --> 01:03:56,534 Matthew. We need... Does he drive? 893 01:03:59,878 --> 01:04:01,914 Matthew: Have you ever had a real job? 894 01:04:02,005 --> 01:04:04,291 Like me, like work in a factory, or...? 895 01:04:04,382 --> 01:04:07,044 Bill: Worked on building sites doing woodwork, you know? 896 01:04:07,135 --> 01:04:08,904 Matthew: Oh, so you were in construction, kind of thing? 897 01:04:08,928 --> 01:04:10,793 - Bill: Yeah. - Matthew: Okay, cool. 898 01:04:12,515 --> 01:04:14,801 But, the way that I learnt it, 899 01:04:14,893 --> 01:04:16,929 they don't use it anymore. 900 01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:18,760 So when I was young, and did it, 901 01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:21,267 I always thought that if things go wrong for me 902 01:04:21,358 --> 01:04:23,770 I can go back working on construction sites. 903 01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:27,023 Oh, I haven't got my seatbelt on. 904 01:04:27,655 --> 01:04:32,149 But the technology used now has changed and evolved. 905 01:04:33,495 --> 01:04:35,986 I know, 'cause when I was looking out the window, 906 01:04:36,081 --> 01:04:38,601 seeing the camera crew out there, woke up and saw the camera crew, 907 01:04:38,625 --> 01:04:40,545 I'm, like, "what in the world goin' on out here?" 908 01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:43,042 So then I asked my mom 909 01:04:43,129 --> 01:04:45,165 and I started looking, I'm like, 910 01:04:45,799 --> 01:04:47,559 there's just a man out there beating on wood, 911 01:04:47,592 --> 01:04:49,173 but the same man making beds, 912 01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:51,592 and, from my point of view, he's just beating on wood. 913 01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:54,716 I don't see no bed progressing, nothing coming up. 914 01:04:54,891 --> 01:04:57,473 He's just gonna conjure a bed up, or something. 915 01:04:57,644 --> 01:04:59,384 Then my mom had it on the porch, 916 01:04:59,479 --> 01:05:02,061 I'm like, "oh yeah, he did a whole lot." 917 01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:03,433 All by hand. 918 01:05:03,525 --> 01:05:07,438 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was like kinda antique unique. 919 01:05:14,702 --> 01:05:18,160 Bill: Hi. I've baked you a cake. Here it is. 920 01:05:18,957 --> 01:05:20,697 Man: No, thank you. 921 01:05:20,792 --> 01:05:23,078 You don't want cake? Okay. 922 01:05:24,045 --> 01:05:25,910 Bill: Excuse me. 923 01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:28,587 I've baked you a cake. Here it is. 924 01:05:29,467 --> 01:05:31,253 - No? - No, I don't want no cake. 925 01:05:31,344 --> 01:05:32,925 You don't like cake? 926 01:05:33,012 --> 01:05:35,424 - Okay. It's free. - No, I don't want no cake. 927 01:05:35,515 --> 01:05:37,380 - You don't want a cake? - No, no, it's fine. 928 01:05:37,475 --> 01:05:38,965 Okay. 929 01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:46,519 - Bill: Pardon? - There's a reason behind that cake. 930 01:05:57,745 --> 01:05:59,952 Bill: The reason... 931 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:03,202 Is the Lexington cake circle. 932 01:06:03,793 --> 01:06:07,331 I go to a different city, in a different country, 933 01:06:07,422 --> 01:06:10,789 I bake six cakes myself, completely from scratch, 934 01:06:10,884 --> 01:06:14,172 with flour, butter, sugar, 935 01:06:14,721 --> 01:06:17,133 and then I draw a circle on the map 936 01:06:17,223 --> 01:06:19,555 and I go to people's houses that live on that circle, 937 01:06:19,684 --> 01:06:22,266 and I say, "I've baked you a cake. Here it is." 938 01:06:22,353 --> 01:06:25,971 And if they take the cake, and if I give away all six, 939 01:06:26,608 --> 01:06:30,396 that's the Lexington cake circle constructed. That's the reason. 940 01:06:30,528 --> 01:06:32,814 - There's nothing else. - I knew there was a reason! 941 01:06:32,947 --> 01:06:35,563 Bill: So, it's... You can say it's an art thing. 942 01:06:35,992 --> 01:06:38,483 - Nothing else. - So who are the film people? 943 01:06:38,578 --> 01:06:40,222 Bill: The film people are making a documentary 944 01:06:40,246 --> 01:06:42,658 about me working in Lexington. 945 01:06:42,832 --> 01:06:45,073 - Ah, okay. - Where are you from? 946 01:06:45,168 --> 01:06:47,534 Bill: I'm from Scotland. You'll take the cake? 947 01:06:47,629 --> 01:06:49,085 Okay. 948 01:06:50,965 --> 01:06:55,299 - One down, five to go. - Yeah! 949 01:06:55,386 --> 01:06:58,753 She took it. She went for it, and it's a good cake. 950 01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:03,763 It's pretty cool, 'cause me and the director was just talking, 951 01:07:03,853 --> 01:07:06,014 and, you know, a lot of people are sceptical. 952 01:07:06,105 --> 01:07:07,833 Of course they are. That's the whole point of it. 953 01:07:07,857 --> 01:07:11,099 - Yeah. - You know, for me it's the story. 954 01:07:11,194 --> 01:07:13,339 I shouldn't be telling you all this when they aren't... 955 01:07:13,363 --> 01:07:15,274 - Yeah, yeah. - Maybe they are filming this? 956 01:07:15,365 --> 01:07:18,823 Yeah, we're filming, that's why we gotta match the sound. 957 01:07:18,952 --> 01:07:21,068 What you're saying, like, 958 01:07:21,162 --> 01:07:24,325 in this town, this is really rare and weird 959 01:07:24,415 --> 01:07:27,953 to see a whole full camera crew out here. 960 01:07:28,169 --> 01:07:30,831 Then you got random white guys walking around 961 01:07:30,922 --> 01:07:33,163 passing out cakes in the hood. 962 01:07:33,258 --> 01:07:34,589 Pretty much they're like "errr... 963 01:07:34,676 --> 01:07:36,587 "I don't know, maybe if you take the first bite, 964 01:07:36,678 --> 01:07:38,088 "I'll take the cake,” you know. 965 01:07:38,179 --> 01:07:39,965 Well, if they said that to me, I would do. 966 01:07:40,056 --> 01:07:41,387 Yeah. 967 01:07:58,366 --> 01:08:00,982 Bill: Hiya. I've baked you a cake. Here it is. 968 01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:03,614 Okay, all right, thanks a lot. 969 01:08:05,248 --> 01:08:08,911 No explanation. You're on the Lexington cake circle, 970 01:08:09,002 --> 01:08:11,414 which means I bake six cakes. 971 01:08:11,504 --> 01:08:15,088 If you're on the Lexington cake circle, you get one of these chocolate cakes. 972 01:08:15,174 --> 01:08:17,256 There's no... 973 01:08:17,343 --> 01:08:19,379 Man: I appreciate it. Thanks. 974 01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:22,382 - Bill: Thanks. What's your name? - Kishane. 975 01:08:22,473 --> 01:08:24,054 Bill: Kishane, my name's bill drummond, 976 01:08:24,142 --> 01:08:27,350 it's part of a thing I'm doing in different cities around the world. 977 01:08:27,437 --> 01:08:31,601 But this year I'm in Lexington, north Carolina, doing different things. 978 01:08:31,691 --> 01:08:33,977 - Kishane: Yeah. - And that's what I'm doing. 979 01:08:34,068 --> 01:08:37,151 - Bill: And they're making a film. - Kishane: Oh! 980 01:08:37,238 --> 01:08:39,479 - Bill: They might ask you about that. - Okay. 981 01:08:39,574 --> 01:08:41,940 - Bill: And your dog's name? - Kadino. 982 01:08:42,035 --> 01:08:45,027 - Bill: Kadino? - Don't ask me how to spell it. 983 01:08:45,121 --> 01:08:47,612 Bill: Okay, thanks a lot. Bye, now! 984 01:08:47,707 --> 01:08:50,824 Matthew: And you do all this voluntarily? You know, money? 985 01:08:50,918 --> 01:08:53,660 Bill: Well, some of the stuff... I get paid to give talks. 986 01:08:53,963 --> 01:08:56,170 People will pay tickets to come along and hear me talk. 987 01:08:56,257 --> 01:08:58,418 Like a motivational speaker, or just, er...? 988 01:08:58,551 --> 01:09:00,257 Well... 989 01:09:00,678 --> 01:09:02,794 Not motivational, because we don't use that word, 990 01:09:02,889 --> 01:09:04,325 but I know what you mean by "motivational". 991 01:09:04,349 --> 01:09:08,262 - Yeah, I mean, like, just somebody... - But, but... 992 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,638 - Somebody who's just on stage. - And I'm being paid, er... 993 01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:16,065 Yeah, some of the things, like I do books. 994 01:09:16,152 --> 01:09:17,608 You know, I sell books. 995 01:09:17,695 --> 01:09:21,734 - This your book? - This is like, er... for an exhibition, 996 01:09:21,824 --> 01:09:23,234 so that's why I've taken it out. 997 01:09:23,326 --> 01:09:27,069 To show them, to show the people. You know? 998 01:09:28,414 --> 01:09:30,134 Robert: I'm going to suggest that 999 01:09:30,208 --> 01:09:33,416 you explain the next stop fo Matt, and they shoot it. 1000 01:09:33,503 --> 01:09:34,663 Bill: Okay. 1001 01:09:34,754 --> 01:09:36,665 It'll look like we're actually doing it, 1002 01:09:36,756 --> 01:09:38,997 and you aren't... You don't exist. 1003 01:09:39,092 --> 01:09:40,694 - Robert: Right! - It's just between me and him. 1004 01:09:40,718 --> 01:09:42,629 What, he's gonna be sitting in the back, or...? 1005 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,211 No, no, no, no. He wants it so I'm explaining, okay 1006 01:09:45,306 --> 01:09:48,639 this is where we've gotta get to, as if there's no crew here. 1007 01:09:48,726 --> 01:09:51,138 - Oh, okay, okay. - As if you're having to work. 1008 01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:53,595 - Do you know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1009 01:09:53,690 --> 01:09:57,774 - So, like acting on a level? - Yeah, we're acting it. 1010 01:09:59,028 --> 01:10:00,643 Even though it's a documentary. 1011 01:10:00,780 --> 01:10:04,193 Bill: And that's where we are now. 1012 01:10:04,784 --> 01:10:07,400 That's where we've gotta get to next, which... 1013 01:10:07,495 --> 01:10:10,282 - Matthew: Quiet road or something? - Bill: Yeah, quiet road, 1014 01:10:10,373 --> 01:10:12,955 ahd stamford road. 1015 01:10:13,418 --> 01:10:15,909 - Quiet drive. - Matthew: Oh, okay. 1016 01:10:16,504 --> 01:10:18,586 Man: How's it going? 1017 01:10:19,173 --> 01:10:20,709 Bill: Hiya. 1018 01:10:23,803 --> 01:10:26,294 Man: What is going on? 1019 01:10:26,806 --> 01:10:31,049 Bill: I'm constructing the Lexington cake circle. 1020 01:10:31,144 --> 01:10:34,181 Here's a chocolate cake for you, 1021 01:10:34,272 --> 01:10:37,355 for nothing, six of them. 1022 01:10:37,442 --> 01:10:38,932 When I've delivered all six, 1023 01:10:39,026 --> 01:10:41,142 this will be the Lexington cake circle. 1024 01:10:41,237 --> 01:10:44,229 - Man: The Lexington cake circle? - Bill: The Lexington cake circle. 1025 01:10:44,323 --> 01:10:47,440 I've been doing them in different cities around the world. 1026 01:10:47,535 --> 01:10:50,197 - Uh-huh. - This is the only one in the usa. 1027 01:11:13,394 --> 01:11:14,679 - Woman: Hi, there. - Bill: Hi. 1028 01:11:14,771 --> 01:11:16,227 - Woman: Hi. - I'm bill. 1029 01:11:16,314 --> 01:11:17,724 Man: Very nice to meet you. 1030 01:11:17,815 --> 01:11:19,771 - Bill: This is Tracey. - Tracey: Tracey. Hello. 1031 01:11:19,859 --> 01:11:21,724 Bill: Have you had a listen to it? 1032 01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:24,310 Man: Yeah, yeah, we were just playing and jamming it out. 1033 01:11:25,865 --> 01:11:27,696 Musician: Let's do it. 1034 01:11:55,186 --> 01:11:57,677 Heard you was, um... 1035 01:11:57,897 --> 01:11:59,728 Kinda like a big rock star back in the day. 1036 01:11:59,816 --> 01:12:01,807 Or something like that. “Who said that? 1037 01:12:01,943 --> 01:12:05,151 They said you did kinda like music. 1038 01:12:05,238 --> 01:12:08,150 You told me you did music, but it was kinda like... 1039 01:12:08,241 --> 01:12:09,606 It wasn't rock music, though. 1040 01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:11,782 Okay, so you were like a pop star or something? 1041 01:12:11,869 --> 01:12:16,363 Well, it was music... Yeah, it was music, you know. 1042 01:12:16,582 --> 01:12:19,164 And some of it was successful, you know. 1043 01:12:20,002 --> 01:12:21,367 Mm-hmm. 1044 01:12:24,966 --> 01:12:27,423 You don't wanna go into a little detail on that, or...? 1045 01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:30,377 He said it was an interesting story. 1046 01:12:30,471 --> 01:12:33,759 Yeah, but he's trying to trick you into asking me 1047 01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:36,637 so they can get it on film, and I don't want to be talking about that. 1048 01:12:36,727 --> 01:12:39,264 - Oh, okay. - That's what he's doing. 1049 01:12:50,533 --> 01:12:55,402 You ever met anybody famous, like worked with somebody famous? 1050 01:12:58,249 --> 01:12:59,955 Um... 1051 01:13:06,966 --> 01:13:11,505 Er... okay, okay. 1052 01:13:12,221 --> 01:13:14,928 I've been in a room in a recording studio, 1053 01:13:15,057 --> 01:13:17,514 and Michael Jackson walked in, 1054 01:13:17,602 --> 01:13:19,342 and he... But it was the wrong room, 1055 01:13:19,437 --> 01:13:21,164 and he said, "oh, sorry, sorry to interrupt you," 1056 01:13:21,188 --> 01:13:24,351 and then walked out again. Okay? 1057 01:13:25,484 --> 01:13:27,725 - He's famous. - Yeah. I was thinking of somebody like 1058 01:13:27,862 --> 01:13:31,480 an actor like will Smith, or somebody like that. 1059 01:13:31,574 --> 01:13:34,486 Nah, I haven't worked with will Smith. 1060 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,470 - Matthew: How'd it go? - Bill: That's it done! 1061 01:14:03,564 --> 01:14:05,555 Paul: Hey bill, aren't you going to say 1062 01:14:05,650 --> 01:14:07,356 "the Lexington cake circle is complete"? 1063 01:14:07,443 --> 01:14:10,150 Bill: Oh, yeah, okay, okay, okay. 1064 01:14:10,237 --> 01:14:12,819 Paul: Do I have to feed you all your lines? 1065 01:14:16,285 --> 01:14:18,196 So what I've got to tell you now is 1066 01:14:18,287 --> 01:14:21,199 the Lexington cake circle has been constructed. 1067 01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:22,450 It can never be taken away, 1068 01:14:22,541 --> 01:14:25,749 the fact that those six people have accepted those cakes, 1069 01:14:25,836 --> 01:14:27,246 even if they throw them away, 1070 01:14:27,338 --> 01:14:30,922 even if when their wife or whatever comes home and says, 1071 01:14:31,008 --> 01:14:33,028 "what? You've just accepted this off someone in the street?" 1072 01:14:33,052 --> 01:14:36,135 And put it straight in the bin. It's done. It's done. 1073 01:16:11,650 --> 01:16:14,392 Tracey: Try over there first, but the house is in the background. 1074 01:16:14,487 --> 01:16:16,089 Bill: I don't want houses in the background. 1075 01:16:16,113 --> 01:16:18,479 No, I don't want houses in the background. 1076 01:16:19,366 --> 01:16:21,402 This is called alligator creek, 1077 01:16:21,535 --> 01:16:25,904 - so you need to watch your feet. - Watch my toes! 1078 01:16:25,998 --> 01:16:28,330 Bill: What we did in Birmingham with my jeans. 1079 01:16:28,417 --> 01:16:30,908 You know like I told you, I have all the jeans 1080 01:16:31,003 --> 01:16:33,915 to last me for the rest of my life, okay? 1081 01:16:34,006 --> 01:16:38,124 And the jeans, they are all stacked up in a cupboard in my house. 1082 01:16:38,219 --> 01:16:41,507 So I have enough jeans. I'm hoping to live till I'm 72. 1083 01:16:41,597 --> 01:16:43,588 Obviously something might happen, I might die, 1084 01:16:43,682 --> 01:16:46,469 but my grandfather died, 1085 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,516 dropped dead of a heart attack at 72. 1086 01:16:48,604 --> 01:16:50,707 - So I'm hoping... - Tracey: That's your benchmark of life. 1087 01:16:50,731 --> 01:16:52,571 That's my benchmark. That's when the tour ends. 1088 01:16:52,650 --> 01:16:55,141 When I getto 72, and I have enough jeans to last me till then. 1089 01:16:55,236 --> 01:16:58,353 I hope you live longer than that, though! 1090 01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:00,733 I'm 63 now, so that's... 1091 01:17:00,825 --> 01:17:04,317 So for each pair of jeans, 'cause you've gotta soak them to shrink them, 1092 01:17:04,411 --> 01:17:08,745 so on Sunday I shrunk a pair of jeans 1093 01:17:08,833 --> 01:17:11,245 in the canal underneath spaghetti junction. 1094 01:17:11,335 --> 01:17:13,997 So that photograph you saw, I'd just been in the water, 1095 01:17:14,088 --> 01:17:15,828 sunk myself down, got up, 1096 01:17:15,923 --> 01:17:17,959 stood on the bank on the thing 1097 01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:19,631 and then Tracey took the photograph. 1098 01:17:19,718 --> 01:17:22,425 And I want to do... I have another brand new pair of jeans with me, 1099 01:17:22,513 --> 01:17:24,424 because I always have two on the go. 1100 01:17:24,515 --> 01:17:25,784 Avuit: So you want to do it in the Ganges”? 1101 01:17:25,808 --> 01:17:27,344 I wanna do it in the Ganges. 1102 01:17:27,434 --> 01:17:30,016 I'll go to the Ganges with these on, 1103 01:17:30,104 --> 01:17:31,514 I will take these clothes off, 1104 01:17:31,605 --> 01:17:34,847 and put on my brand new pair of levis that are too big for me, 1105 01:17:34,942 --> 01:17:38,901 soak myself, come out, when it dries... 1106 01:17:38,988 --> 01:17:41,445 - Avuit: Yeah. - Bill: It does the shrinking, 1107 01:17:41,532 --> 01:17:44,274 so it's the kind of the symbolic moving. 1108 01:17:44,368 --> 01:17:47,030 But I always have to have two new pairs of jeans. 1109 01:17:47,121 --> 01:17:49,533 Avijit: Elaborate a little bit on the abstraction of this. 1110 01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:52,281 Because I'm seeing it as an artwork. 1111 01:17:55,212 --> 01:17:58,375 I know there's a performance in some sort of way, 1112 01:17:58,465 --> 01:18:00,501 but a performance as in 1113 01:18:00,634 --> 01:18:02,295 anything religious has performance. 1114 01:18:02,386 --> 01:18:04,426 Tracey: It does have religious connotations, though, 1115 01:18:04,471 --> 01:18:06,553 as in the baptising, and the whatever. 1116 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,096 Yeah, because every religion... 1117 01:18:08,184 --> 01:18:09,924 Not every religion, but a lot of religions, 1118 01:18:10,019 --> 01:18:14,479 as the hindu religion, and a lot of aspects of christianity, has baptism. 1119 01:18:14,565 --> 01:18:15,771 Avuit: Baptism. 1120 01:18:15,858 --> 01:18:17,335 Bill: Obviously, because of my background, 1121 01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:19,566 biblical stories resonate in me. 1122 01:18:19,653 --> 01:18:22,895 And that doesn't mean I'm a practising Christian or whatever 1123 01:18:22,990 --> 01:18:25,072 - but it resonates. - Avuit: Right, right. 1124 01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:28,902 Bill: On this world tour, the second last place is Jerusalem. 1125 01:18:29,705 --> 01:18:32,947 And there's a gate there from the ancient city called the Damascus gate, 1126 01:18:33,042 --> 01:18:37,456 and I am planning on walking from Jerusalem 1127 01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:38,831 through Damascus gate, 1128 01:18:39,256 --> 01:18:40,336 to Damascus. 1129 01:18:40,424 --> 01:18:43,040 And, hopefully, the world has moved on a bit. 1130 01:18:43,135 --> 01:18:46,002 - For the end of the tour. - So the last city is Damascus. 1131 01:18:46,096 --> 01:18:47,616 - Avuit: It's the last one? - That's the last city. 1132 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,427 - Avijit: And you'll be 727? - 72, yeah. 1133 01:18:50,517 --> 01:18:53,759 So I'll be helping him on sticks then. 1134 01:18:54,355 --> 01:18:56,186 Bill: And I would like, on that walk, 1135 01:18:56,273 --> 01:18:59,106 because the sea of galilee is further north, 1136 01:18:59,193 --> 01:19:01,104 is towards Damascus, 1137 01:19:01,195 --> 01:19:03,686 I'd like to, for my last pair of jeans, 1138 01:19:04,406 --> 01:19:06,988 fo go into the sea of galilee with them, 1139 01:19:07,076 --> 01:19:10,785 and that's like in west, the... The... you know, dama... 1140 01:19:10,913 --> 01:19:12,778 What's it called? 1141 01:19:12,873 --> 01:19:17,537 A damascene conversion? Is that the word? 1142 01:19:17,628 --> 01:19:20,415 Bill: Are you going to take more photographs before I fall in? Okay. 1143 01:19:20,506 --> 01:19:24,374 It's just I really like that, with that dangling down flower stuff. 1144 01:19:26,428 --> 01:19:29,886 Put your leaf arm down, your flower arm down. 1145 01:19:30,474 --> 01:19:31,839 Perfect. 1146 01:19:35,688 --> 01:19:38,680 Okay, fabulous, thank you. 1147 01:19:38,774 --> 01:19:41,436 Right, do you wanna do your falling-in, then? 1148 01:19:42,069 --> 01:19:44,025 We ready for this, yes? 1149 01:19:44,113 --> 01:19:46,570 I gotta find out where the... 1150 01:19:46,657 --> 01:19:49,945 No, where the edge is, okay? 1151 01:20:03,465 --> 01:20:06,332 Now, I don't know if I've got the bottle to do this. 1152 01:20:06,427 --> 01:20:09,919 Tracey: Okay, can you put the Mike up just a bit? 1153 01:20:12,474 --> 01:20:17,844 One, two, three. 1154 01:20:32,286 --> 01:20:33,742 Okay? 1155 01:20:33,829 --> 01:20:35,615 Tracey: You all right? 1156 01:20:35,706 --> 01:20:37,492 Paul: Do you need a hand? 1157 01:20:37,666 --> 01:20:38,951 Tracey, give him a hand up? 1158 01:20:39,043 --> 01:20:41,955 I'm all right. I'm gonna see if I can get to these steps, okay? 1159 01:20:43,297 --> 01:20:47,882 Woman: What are you actually trying to say? 1160 01:20:47,968 --> 01:20:51,586 Between the soup, and the bed, and, er... 1161 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,047 Anything else that you do, how does this all come together? 1162 01:20:55,142 --> 01:20:58,259 Bill: I... I... look, you know, I'm doing this twelve-year world tour, 1163 01:20:58,354 --> 01:21:00,561 which I'm doing these things at different places. 1164 01:21:00,647 --> 01:21:04,560 Maybe at the end of the world tour, I'll be able to sit back in my rocking chair 1165 01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:07,685 and I can look back and think, "oh yeah, that's what that was about," 1166 01:21:07,780 --> 01:21:10,817 but right now, I don't know. 1167 01:21:10,908 --> 01:21:12,899 That was really good, bill. 1168 01:21:14,078 --> 01:21:16,911 That looked really good. It just went "oooh". 1169 01:21:17,748 --> 01:21:20,740 Bill: / know some of the things are to do with 1170 01:21:20,834 --> 01:21:23,200 wanting to do very, very simple things. 1171 01:21:23,295 --> 01:21:25,081 Like making soup. Like making the bed. 1172 01:21:25,172 --> 01:21:27,834 Woman: So what is the title of all this gonna be? 1173 01:21:27,925 --> 01:21:31,133 The title of the world tour 1174 01:21:31,220 --> 01:21:33,836 is just called "the 25 paintings”. 1175 01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:36,631 - So I've got these 25 canvases... “Woman: Mm-bhmm. 1176 01:21:36,725 --> 01:21:39,808 Bill: And one just says "make soup". One says, 1177 01:21:40,187 --> 01:21:42,519 "knit", because I do this knitting thing. 1178 01:21:42,606 --> 01:21:45,097 Oh, I was going to bring the knitting out tonight. 1179 01:21:45,192 --> 01:21:47,808 - I forgot to do that. - Trish: Oh, you knit, too? 1180 01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:51,361 Yeah, I've been doing this million stitch blanket. 1181 01:21:51,448 --> 01:21:56,488 Trish: He cooks, he builds, he knits, he's a regular Martha Stewart. 1182 01:21:56,578 --> 01:21:59,194 Bill: I'm a regular what? What did she call me? 1183 01:21:59,289 --> 01:22:01,120 Woman: Martha Stewart. 1184 01:22:01,208 --> 01:22:03,699 Bill: Who's Martha Stewart? 1185 01:22:03,877 --> 01:22:07,290 Bill: Actually, you may as well just all help yourselves. 1186 01:22:07,381 --> 01:22:10,498 Bill: This is not about being a chef. 1187 01:22:10,592 --> 01:22:12,878 Josh Harris: Well, yeah, but someone who knows, like, 1188 01:22:12,970 --> 01:22:15,006 how to be so creative, like... 1189 01:22:15,097 --> 01:22:18,589 Bill: No no, if there's anything creative, it's the conversation. 1190 01:22:18,809 --> 01:22:21,972 Josh: All right, I'm starting to learn about you, bill. 1191 01:22:22,062 --> 01:22:26,852 Like, I've really been interested to see 1192 01:22:26,942 --> 01:22:30,230 what your documentary and everything is about, because I don't... 1193 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,276 It's his doc... Where has he gone? 1194 01:22:32,364 --> 01:22:35,231 It's his documentary. “Who? 1195 01:22:35,325 --> 01:22:37,941 - See the guy there, waving? - Oh, Paul. 1196 01:22:38,036 --> 01:22:39,036 Yeah, he's the director. 1197 01:22:39,079 --> 01:22:41,991 He's the one that wants to make the documentary. 1198 01:22:42,124 --> 01:22:44,706 - All right. - I'm just the kind of... 1199 01:22:45,544 --> 01:22:47,830 The kind of thing behind the cage. 1200 01:22:48,422 --> 01:22:51,664 Josh: So it's an eight-year documentary, right? 1201 01:22:51,758 --> 01:22:55,216 Bill: No. It's a twelve-year world tour, which I'm doing. 1202 01:22:55,304 --> 01:22:58,512 He's making a documentary based on two of those years. 1203 01:22:58,599 --> 01:23:01,807 - Josh: Oh. - Bill: So last year, kolkata in India, 1204 01:23:01,894 --> 01:23:03,850 and this year, Lexington, north Carolina. 1205 01:23:03,937 --> 01:23:05,768 That's what the documentary's based on. 1206 01:23:05,856 --> 01:23:06,891 Josh: Wow. 1207 01:23:06,982 --> 01:23:08,973 Bill: But in each place on this world tour, 1208 01:23:09,067 --> 01:23:13,527 I find some musicians by accident. 1209 01:23:13,614 --> 01:23:16,981 Like standing in a queue in a coffee shop, overhearing you, 1210 01:23:17,868 --> 01:23:20,826 so I thought, "they're musicians”. 1211 01:23:21,246 --> 01:23:25,535 So last year, it was classical Indian musicians playing the track. 1212 01:23:25,667 --> 01:23:28,107 Josh: Well that's gotta be at least, like, a little rewarding, 1213 01:23:28,170 --> 01:23:31,082 that, like, people are playing your tune. 1214 01:23:32,883 --> 01:23:36,171 And they don't even know who you are, you know? 1215 01:23:36,261 --> 01:23:37,842 And they play... 1216 01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:39,545 Like, I didn't know who you are. 1217 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,382 - Bill: But that doesn't matter, does it? - No, it doesn't. 1218 01:23:42,518 --> 01:23:44,133 I met everyone on Monday, 1219 01:23:44,228 --> 01:23:46,970 and all these things have happened through the week, 1220 01:23:47,064 --> 01:23:50,522 and I've been so confused as to, like, 1221 01:23:51,109 --> 01:23:52,690 not even what you guys are doing, 1222 01:23:52,778 --> 01:23:55,315 but just how that makes me feel. 1223 01:23:55,822 --> 01:23:57,403 Um... 1224 01:23:57,491 --> 01:24:00,733 Because I just don't know what happens. 1225 01:24:00,827 --> 01:24:05,787 Like, I don't know how to, like, make it make sense in my head. 1226 01:24:06,667 --> 01:24:08,703 Do you have to... Does it have to make sense? 1227 01:24:08,794 --> 01:24:12,207 - I don't think so. - I would, you know... 1228 01:24:12,339 --> 01:24:14,876 I don't think it has to make sense, no. 1229 01:24:15,008 --> 01:24:17,545 I'm not trying to make sense. 1230 01:24:17,719 --> 01:24:20,176 I think what I've been doing, 1231 01:24:20,305 --> 01:24:24,514 like making the soup, which I've gotta stir. 1232 01:24:24,601 --> 01:24:26,887 These are very basic things. 1233 01:24:28,855 --> 01:24:32,018 Josh: I really hope that the rest of your life is fantastic, 1234 01:24:32,109 --> 01:24:35,567 and I would say that to anyone regardless of 1235 01:24:35,654 --> 01:24:37,454 there's a car over there shining lights on me, 1236 01:24:37,531 --> 01:24:40,318 or a guy holding a boom Mike, and cameras and shit. 1237 01:24:40,409 --> 01:24:44,322 Like, this is just me, and I hope you believe that. 1238 01:24:44,413 --> 01:24:46,028 Bill: Well, that's nice of you to say 1239 01:24:46,123 --> 01:24:49,035 but I'm not bothered if it goes well or not. 1240 01:24:49,126 --> 01:24:52,960 Josh: Good! Good! Yes! Yes! 1241 01:24:53,046 --> 01:24:55,128 Because it doesn't matter. 1242 01:24:55,215 --> 01:24:56,580 You can't control these things. 1243 01:24:56,675 --> 01:24:58,236 - Josh: You can't. - So there's no point. 1244 01:24:58,260 --> 01:25:01,752 One of my things is, one of my phrases is, 1245 01:25:01,847 --> 01:25:05,965 “life is too short to be wasted on the pursuit of happiness." 1246 01:25:06,059 --> 01:25:07,174 Right. 1247 01:25:07,269 --> 01:25:09,976 Because happiness comes and goes, 1248 01:25:10,063 --> 01:25:12,145 you know, and you can't control it. 1249 01:25:12,232 --> 01:25:14,314 Josh: No, you can't. I think happiness is a choice. 1250 01:25:14,401 --> 01:25:17,188 - Bill: No, it's not a choice! - Josh: Ah, okay. 1251 01:25:17,279 --> 01:25:18,815 No, no. You know. 1252 01:25:18,905 --> 01:25:20,861 Josh: Well, maybe for you it's not a choice. 1253 01:25:20,949 --> 01:25:22,510 It's not a choice, no. You know, you can wake up 1254 01:25:22,534 --> 01:25:25,025 one morning, you feel happy, and another day something happens. 1255 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,862 - You get run over, you know? - Josh: Right. 1256 01:25:27,956 --> 01:25:29,867 You don't have a choice in that. 1257 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,332 You know, you can't control... 1258 01:25:32,419 --> 01:25:35,001 So many people waste so much of their life 1259 01:25:35,088 --> 01:25:37,454 desperately trying to be happy, 1260 01:25:38,175 --> 01:25:39,175 all the time, 1261 01:25:39,259 --> 01:25:42,422 by drinking something, or doing something, 1262 01:25:43,138 --> 01:25:46,255 or thinking that'll make them happy. You know? 1263 01:25:46,350 --> 01:25:48,432 Josh: Right. It's just something that happens to you. 1264 01:25:48,518 --> 01:25:50,383 Bill: But I need to find where the bread is. 1265 01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:53,141 Josh: Okay. 1266 01:26:20,884 --> 01:26:22,920 "Bill": I've made a decision. 1267 01:26:23,011 --> 01:26:25,548 Well, I think I've made a decision. 1268 01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:27,630 "Tracey": Yeah? 1269 01:26:29,518 --> 01:26:32,100 I've finally plucked up courage 1270 01:26:32,187 --> 01:26:36,806 to watch the ten-minute trailer that Paul Duane has made 1271 01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:40,813 for the film about the 25 paintings world tour in India. 1272 01:26:42,989 --> 01:26:44,274 "Tracey™: And? 1273 01:26:44,366 --> 01:26:45,981 "Bill": Well, you know how you said 1274 01:26:46,076 --> 01:26:49,113 that it captured the real essence of what I'm trying to do, 1275 01:26:49,204 --> 01:26:51,160 and it got to the real me? 1276 01:26:51,248 --> 01:26:53,034 "Tracey": Yeah. "Bill" well... 1277 01:26:53,125 --> 01:26:56,367 It seemed to me that everything that I was doing, 1278 01:26:56,545 --> 01:26:57,955 everything, 1279 01:26:58,046 --> 01:27:00,458 the bed building, the cake baking, 1280 01:27:00,549 --> 01:27:03,666 the shoe shining, the banging of the drum, all of it. 1281 01:27:05,303 --> 01:27:06,634 I seem to be doing it 1282 01:27:06,722 --> 01:27:09,429 just so that you can document it 1283 01:27:09,516 --> 01:27:11,507 by taking a photo. 1284 01:27:13,228 --> 01:27:15,059 "Tracey™: So what are you saying? 1285 01:27:15,897 --> 01:27:17,103 What am I saying? 1286 01:27:17,190 --> 01:27:20,557 Yeah, come on, bill. 1287 01:27:20,777 --> 01:27:22,142 Bill: "I'm not sure." 1288 01:27:22,237 --> 01:27:25,354 I'm not sure. 1289 01:27:25,449 --> 01:27:28,236 - Bill: "Up until now..." - Up until now, I thought that 1290 01:27:28,326 --> 01:27:30,362 the photos that you were taking were brilliant. 1291 01:27:30,454 --> 01:27:32,115 No, and they are brilliant. 1292 01:27:32,205 --> 01:27:33,786 They do, they catch, 1293 01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:37,783 and they frame what we're trying to do. 1294 01:27:38,503 --> 01:27:42,621 But, seeing that, that changed something. 1295 01:27:57,522 --> 01:27:59,012 "Tracey": But what? 1296 01:28:00,609 --> 01:28:01,894 But what? 1297 01:28:01,985 --> 01:28:03,646 Bill: "Something in me is wanting to..." 1298 01:28:03,737 --> 01:28:07,855 Yes! Something in me is wanting to ditch 1299 01:28:07,949 --> 01:28:12,033 using photography to document what I'm doing. 1300 01:28:13,371 --> 01:28:15,453 "Tracey": But it's me that takes the photographs. 1301 01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:18,327 "Bill": I know, but... "Tracey": But what? 1302 01:28:21,546 --> 01:28:25,414 "Bill": I want to look at how to document 1303 01:28:25,509 --> 01:28:30,003 what I'm doing, in the form of written plays. 1304 01:28:33,433 --> 01:28:37,426 "Tracey": Okay, I get the picture. 1305 01:28:52,994 --> 01:28:55,736 "Tracey": So will I still be going, even if I'm not taking photos? 1306 01:28:55,831 --> 01:28:58,413 "Bill": Yeah, of course. "Tracey": Just checking. 1307 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:00,536 "Bill": You'll be directing the plays! 1308 01:29:07,008 --> 01:29:08,669 But... 1309 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,466 - Yeah? - Bill: "But right now..." 1310 01:29:10,554 --> 01:29:12,761 Right now... yeah? 1311 01:29:12,848 --> 01:29:15,965 - Bill: "They seem a way..." - They seem to be a way 1312 01:29:16,059 --> 01:29:18,550 for me to explore something. 1313 01:29:18,645 --> 01:29:21,227 But you don't know if it'll ever be performed. 1314 01:29:21,314 --> 01:29:22,554 And even if it is, 1315 01:29:22,649 --> 01:29:26,107 it will only be seen by a very few people. 1316 01:29:26,194 --> 01:29:28,731 But, those very few people 1317 01:29:28,822 --> 01:29:32,064 will make a commitment to be there, 1318 01:29:32,158 --> 01:29:34,740 watching the play as long as it lasts. 1319 01:29:36,413 --> 01:29:38,995 "Tracey": They could walk out. 1320 01:29:39,082 --> 01:29:41,869 "Bill": Just you fucking dare! 1321 01:32:28,668 --> 01:32:35,460 Subtitles by anti-worlds releasing ltd