1 00:00:25,662 --> 00:00:26,871 - Good evening. 2 00:00:27,163 --> 00:00:28,623 I'm Helen Mirren, 3 00:00:28,915 --> 00:00:32,961 and you're watching "Documentary Now" season 51. 4 00:00:33,253 --> 00:00:36,089 In 1992, filmmaker RC Baumgartner 5 00:00:36,381 --> 00:00:40,844 set out for Ohio to chronicle a gubernatorial campaign. 6 00:00:41,135 --> 00:00:44,054 While the intended focus was the candidates, 7 00:00:44,346 --> 00:00:47,474 it soon shifted to those behind the scenes. 8 00:00:47,766 --> 00:00:50,728 Through Baumgartner's lens, the world was introduced 9 00:00:51,020 --> 00:00:53,939 to political operators Teddy Redbones 10 00:00:54,231 --> 00:00:55,524 and Alvin Panagoulious 11 00:00:55,816 --> 00:00:59,277 in the campaign classic, "The Bunker." 12 00:01:27,804 --> 00:01:29,222 - ♪ Dreaming ♪ 13 00:01:29,514 --> 00:01:31,432 ♪ Dreaming ♪ 14 00:01:31,724 --> 00:01:35,561 ♪ Dreaming you'll look my way ♪ 15 00:01:35,853 --> 00:01:37,647 ♪ Dreaming ♪ 16 00:01:37,938 --> 00:01:39,732 ♪ Scheming ♪ 17 00:01:40,024 --> 00:01:43,903 ♪ Hoping that you'll be mine someday ♪ 18 00:01:44,195 --> 00:01:46,030 ♪ Dreaming ♪ 19 00:01:46,322 --> 00:01:48,198 ♪ Dreaming ♪ 20 00:01:48,490 --> 00:01:52,077 ♪ Hoping that you will stay ♪ 21 00:01:52,369 --> 00:01:54,412 ♪ In the soft of the night ♪ 22 00:01:54,704 --> 00:01:56,414 ♪ You're holding me tight ♪ 23 00:01:56,706 --> 00:01:58,166 ♪ When you look at me ♪ 24 00:01:58,458 --> 00:02:00,502 ♪ Then you'll say ♪ 25 00:02:00,794 --> 00:02:02,879 ♪ That you've been dreaming ♪ 26 00:02:03,170 --> 00:02:04,922 ♪ Dreaming ♪ 27 00:02:05,214 --> 00:02:08,050 ♪ Hoping you'll be mine someday ♪ 28 00:02:10,886 --> 00:02:12,179 - That's right. 29 00:02:12,471 --> 00:02:16,892 As a former councilman, I care very much about Ohio. 30 00:02:17,184 --> 00:02:19,061 Yes. 31 00:02:19,352 --> 00:02:20,603 And I think it's important to run 32 00:02:20,895 --> 00:02:23,856 and give Ohioans a choice. 33 00:02:24,148 --> 00:02:25,650 That's right. 34 00:02:25,942 --> 00:02:27,944 I run as a... 35 00:02:28,236 --> 00:02:31,030 as a kindness, you might say. 36 00:02:31,322 --> 00:02:32,824 Okay. 37 00:02:33,116 --> 00:02:35,951 Well, you have a good afternoon 38 00:02:36,243 --> 00:02:38,370 and then a good night. 39 00:02:39,663 --> 00:02:41,498 Now, that is fun. 40 00:02:41,790 --> 00:02:44,793 Talking on the telephone to reporters. 41 00:02:46,753 --> 00:02:47,504 - Hey, listen to this. 42 00:02:47,796 --> 00:02:49,172 "Modest though he is, 43 00:02:49,464 --> 00:02:51,216 "Ben Herndon yesterday handed his campaign 44 00:02:51,508 --> 00:02:54,051 "over to a rogue's gallery of political gurus 45 00:02:54,343 --> 00:02:55,761 "including Teddy Redbones, 46 00:02:56,053 --> 00:02:58,305 "the so-called Mississippi Machiavelli, 47 00:02:58,597 --> 00:03:00,766 and Alvin Panagoulious, the boy-hunk..." 48 00:03:01,058 --> 00:03:02,351 Wow... "of the Beltway." 49 00:03:02,643 --> 00:03:04,687 Huh, you think I'm a cute hunk? 50 00:03:04,979 --> 00:03:06,105 I feel like I'm shy. 51 00:03:06,397 --> 00:03:07,773 - No, they always write the same stuff about me. 52 00:03:08,065 --> 00:03:12,736 A Mississippi Machiavelli or Sunburnt Succubus or... 53 00:03:13,027 --> 00:03:14,154 what's the other one? Suspected arsonist. 54 00:03:14,446 --> 00:03:16,114 - Uh-huh. Yeah? 55 00:03:16,406 --> 00:03:18,867 - But, uh, you know what they always leave out? 56 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:20,827 Undefeated. That's right. 57 00:03:21,119 --> 00:03:22,245 Undefeated. 58 00:03:22,537 --> 00:03:24,080 - Did you fellas forget to take your shoes off? 59 00:03:24,372 --> 00:03:25,706 - Oh, sorry. 60 00:03:25,998 --> 00:03:26,749 Apologies. 61 00:03:33,464 --> 00:03:34,840 I mean, my goal is to have an office 62 00:03:35,132 --> 00:03:37,092 that just has a lot of open communication, 63 00:03:37,384 --> 00:03:39,261 so any messages for the candidate 64 00:03:39,553 --> 00:03:40,804 can go through me. 65 00:03:41,096 --> 00:03:42,680 If there are any phone calls for the candidate, 66 00:03:42,972 --> 00:03:44,265 this all goes through me. 67 00:03:44,557 --> 00:03:46,058 Everything's streamlined so it goes through me. 68 00:03:46,350 --> 00:03:49,562 Just faster that way, and... 69 00:03:49,854 --> 00:03:51,397 I don't know who put these up, 70 00:03:51,689 --> 00:03:54,525 but this one is a nine, 71 00:03:54,817 --> 00:03:56,194 and this wall should be all tens. 72 00:03:56,527 --> 00:03:58,653 You know, blondes, brunettes. 73 00:03:58,945 --> 00:04:00,655 Tasteful. Just tens. 74 00:04:00,947 --> 00:04:04,159 It's a little thing but it just affects everything, so... 75 00:04:04,451 --> 00:04:07,245 - Okay. - All right, thanks. 76 00:04:07,537 --> 00:04:09,664 - And let's please make sure on all the flyers 77 00:04:09,956 --> 00:04:11,416 that the name is spelled correctly. 78 00:04:11,708 --> 00:04:15,002 It's H-E-R-N-D-O-N, Herndon. 79 00:04:15,294 --> 00:04:18,214 And now let's hear from the man of the campaign, Mr... 80 00:04:18,506 --> 00:04:19,590 - Get out of my way. Out of my way. 81 00:04:19,882 --> 00:04:20,591 - Teddy Redbones. - Get out of my way. 82 00:04:22,510 --> 00:04:24,845 Let me tell you what this election's about, okay? 83 00:04:25,137 --> 00:04:28,849 Let me tell you why I wake up at 4:30 in the morning so angry. 84 00:04:29,141 --> 00:04:31,601 Because Governor Lester with his head of hair 85 00:04:31,893 --> 00:04:33,686 and his perfect suits and his "jogging," 86 00:04:33,978 --> 00:04:34,979 well, he thinks he's got 87 00:04:35,271 --> 00:04:38,316 this re-election in the bag, right? 88 00:04:38,608 --> 00:04:39,901 What, because our guy ain't James Dean? 89 00:04:40,193 --> 00:04:41,528 Well, let me tell you something. 90 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:44,155 We've all been the most unpopular guy in the room. 91 00:04:44,447 --> 00:04:45,949 Yeah? 92 00:04:46,241 --> 00:04:47,825 We've all been the person at the wedding 93 00:04:48,116 --> 00:04:52,120 no one wants to speak to during passed appetizers, yeah? 94 00:04:52,412 --> 00:04:53,914 And now we're up against Mr. Popular. 95 00:04:54,206 --> 00:04:55,415 Okay? 96 00:04:55,707 --> 00:04:58,627 Governor Lester with his... his perfect record 97 00:04:58,919 --> 00:05:01,630 and his money and his $10 family, 98 00:05:01,922 --> 00:05:03,090 well, let me tell you something. 99 00:05:03,381 --> 00:05:06,133 Even the shiniest, most beautiful apple 100 00:05:06,425 --> 00:05:09,136 has something mushy and brown underneath. 101 00:05:09,428 --> 00:05:12,974 Now, we got to find whatever weird, mushy brownness 102 00:05:13,266 --> 00:05:14,892 we can on Governor Lester, all right? 103 00:05:15,184 --> 00:05:17,937 So let's get this goin'. Come on. 104 00:05:18,354 --> 00:05:20,397 - So I guess the question is, how do you get excited 105 00:05:20,689 --> 00:05:23,483 about a candidate who says he is only running 106 00:05:23,775 --> 00:05:25,694 as a "kindness to the voters," 107 00:05:25,986 --> 00:05:27,362 and who has publicly praised 108 00:05:27,654 --> 00:05:29,030 Governor Lester's first term in office? 109 00:05:29,322 --> 00:05:32,242 - He praised it publicly, exactly, to be nice. 110 00:05:32,534 --> 00:05:34,494 It's kind of like when you meet someone's wife 111 00:05:34,786 --> 00:05:37,413 and you say she's a ten when really she's a true five. 112 00:05:37,705 --> 00:05:38,956 I mean, I don't think I'm speaking out of turn 113 00:05:39,248 --> 00:05:41,125 when I say that. We all do that. 114 00:05:41,417 --> 00:05:42,835 - And that's your political strategy? 115 00:05:43,127 --> 00:05:44,044 Rating women? 116 00:05:45,588 --> 00:05:48,799 Ah. - You could see it that way. 117 00:05:49,091 --> 00:05:50,259 - Okay. Okay. 118 00:05:50,551 --> 00:05:52,427 I'm Luanne Maltley with "Politics Now." 119 00:05:52,719 --> 00:05:53,428 We'll be right back. 120 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:54,470 - I think it went very well. 121 00:05:55,513 --> 00:05:57,640 I understand that you're new to our style, 122 00:05:57,932 --> 00:06:00,518 but it's very effective, I assure you. 123 00:06:00,810 --> 00:06:01,436 Don't worry. 124 00:06:01,728 --> 00:06:02,812 Not gonna do anything 125 00:06:03,104 --> 00:06:04,147 that makes you feel uncomfortable. 126 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:07,108 - Oh, jackass alert right here. 127 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,443 "Re-elect Lester." 128 00:06:09,735 --> 00:06:11,069 All right, hold up. 129 00:06:18,827 --> 00:06:19,828 A lawn jockey? 130 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,413 It's 1992. 131 00:06:21,705 --> 00:06:26,208 What kind of people are th-these Lester supporters? 132 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:28,127 - Our man's a little nervous about our tactics, 133 00:06:28,419 --> 00:06:30,463 but he just needs to see that we've got it under control. 134 00:06:30,755 --> 00:06:32,214 - Yeah, I'm not worried about our man. 135 00:06:32,506 --> 00:06:34,884 No, what I'm worried about is, uh, 136 00:06:35,176 --> 00:06:37,178 we don't have any honest-to-God dirt 137 00:06:37,470 --> 00:06:39,430 on Governor Lester. 138 00:06:39,722 --> 00:06:41,640 Oh, here's another one. 139 00:06:54,694 --> 00:06:55,862 Uh-huh. 140 00:07:03,994 --> 00:07:05,537 - Whoo! 141 00:07:13,712 --> 00:07:16,464 - It's why I love Ohio, 142 00:07:16,756 --> 00:07:21,469 because you can't say it without saying, "Oh, hi." 143 00:07:21,761 --> 00:07:24,180 And I want to say "Oh, hi" to all the voters 144 00:07:24,472 --> 00:07:26,849 on election day. 145 00:07:27,141 --> 00:07:31,103 And maybe the voters would like a change. 146 00:07:31,395 --> 00:07:33,355 We have had a lot of Governor Lester 147 00:07:33,647 --> 00:07:36,274 and his cronies in the toll authority. 148 00:07:36,566 --> 00:07:38,819 - That's right, you go for the jugular, fat man. 149 00:07:39,111 --> 00:07:42,114 - I appreciate your support and thank you all for being here 150 00:07:42,406 --> 00:07:45,325 and, uh, let's... let's win this thing. 151 00:07:45,617 --> 00:07:47,159 Thank you. 152 00:07:47,451 --> 00:07:48,995 Thank you. 153 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,796 - Is that my jacket? 154 00:07:59,088 --> 00:08:01,298 - It's the room's jacket. 155 00:08:01,590 --> 00:08:06,011 - Um, our man's a little nervous that the new TV ad is negative. 156 00:08:06,302 --> 00:08:07,387 - We have it? 157 00:08:07,679 --> 00:08:08,763 Mary Beth, we have it? - Mm-hmm. 158 00:08:09,055 --> 00:08:09,931 - Put it in. Let's see it. 159 00:08:10,223 --> 00:08:10,932 Come on. Let's go. 160 00:08:13,351 --> 00:08:16,438 - This Sunday is Governor Lester's birthday. 161 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:17,564 Let's hope... 162 00:08:18,857 --> 00:08:21,358 It's his last. 163 00:08:25,863 --> 00:08:29,408 On election day vote for Ben Herndon. 164 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:31,535 - Okay, our biggest problem, as usual, is time, 165 00:08:31,827 --> 00:08:33,579 so this is running 18 seconds. 166 00:08:33,871 --> 00:08:34,872 Local TV will run it twice as long 167 00:08:35,164 --> 00:08:36,330 if we get it done at 11. 168 00:08:36,622 --> 00:08:38,416 - Now can we add kids singing "Happy Birthday" 169 00:08:38,708 --> 00:08:40,626 all spooky-like? 170 00:08:40,918 --> 00:08:42,211 - That will just add more time. 171 00:08:42,503 --> 00:08:43,838 - Right. 172 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:45,298 Am I the only one that's concerned 173 00:08:45,590 --> 00:08:46,549 that this spot plays 174 00:08:46,841 --> 00:08:50,303 like we want Governor Lester to die? 175 00:08:50,595 --> 00:08:51,512 - Wow, I don't understand. 176 00:08:51,804 --> 00:08:52,929 W... walk me through that. 177 00:08:53,221 --> 00:08:54,639 - I feel like you're saying, 178 00:08:54,931 --> 00:08:56,767 "We hope it's your last birthday." 179 00:08:57,059 --> 00:08:58,894 - In office. 180 00:08:59,186 --> 00:09:00,812 We hope that Governor Lester will celebrate 181 00:09:01,104 --> 00:09:02,647 his last birthday in office 182 00:09:02,939 --> 00:09:05,609 because we've got the right guy with the right ideas 183 00:09:05,901 --> 00:09:07,152 who loves his state. 184 00:09:07,444 --> 00:09:08,361 - We're not only saying, uh, 185 00:09:08,653 --> 00:09:09,361 "Happy birthday, Governor Lester." 186 00:09:09,653 --> 00:09:10,446 We're also saying, 187 00:09:10,738 --> 00:09:11,947 "Hope you don't have to work 188 00:09:12,239 --> 00:09:13,449 on your birthday next year." 189 00:09:13,741 --> 00:09:15,576 I mean, it's two different types of nice. 190 00:09:15,868 --> 00:09:17,036 - It's a death threat. 191 00:09:17,328 --> 00:09:21,290 It's clear, it's a death threat. 192 00:09:21,582 --> 00:09:23,042 - I know how we can shave off five seconds. 193 00:09:23,334 --> 00:09:24,210 - Go. 194 00:09:24,502 --> 00:09:25,710 - What if we take out 195 00:09:26,002 --> 00:09:28,171 "This election, vote for Ben Herndon?" 196 00:09:28,463 --> 00:09:30,006 - Yes, just say, "Hope it's your last." 197 00:09:30,298 --> 00:09:32,217 Cut to spooky kids singing, "Happy birthday." 198 00:09:32,509 --> 00:09:35,345 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 199 00:09:35,637 --> 00:09:36,763 Spooky as shit. 200 00:09:37,055 --> 00:09:38,765 Freeze frame, x-ray on the photo. 201 00:09:39,057 --> 00:09:40,892 - Okay, you just added 15 more seconds. 202 00:09:41,184 --> 00:09:42,518 - Goddamn it, Mary Beth. 203 00:09:42,810 --> 00:09:44,353 In one hour I got to go meet with a forger 204 00:09:44,728 --> 00:09:46,105 to try to change Governor Lester's 205 00:09:46,396 --> 00:09:47,981 high school yearbook quote, you understand? 206 00:09:48,273 --> 00:09:49,608 So I've got to be able to leave here 207 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:52,361 knowing that this ad plays without you coming 208 00:09:52,653 --> 00:09:55,030 and pinching out the waist about ten seconds. 209 00:09:55,322 --> 00:09:56,156 Okay? 210 00:09:56,448 --> 00:09:57,783 I can't work like that. 211 00:09:58,074 --> 00:09:59,158 - I trust you. It'll be okay. - Mm-hmm. 212 00:09:59,450 --> 00:10:00,201 - Figure it out! 213 00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:12,213 - Mr. Redbones, "The Cleveland Plain Dealer" 214 00:10:12,505 --> 00:10:13,339 wrote today that Herndon is 215 00:10:13,631 --> 00:10:15,257 "wildly unfit to be governor." 216 00:10:15,549 --> 00:10:16,883 - Okay, well, first, "The Cleveland Plain Dealer's" 217 00:10:17,175 --> 00:10:18,468 a terrible name for a newspaper. 218 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,929 Man, it sounds like a boring blackjack dealer. 219 00:10:21,221 --> 00:10:22,264 I mean, I like my blackjack dealers 220 00:10:22,556 --> 00:10:24,057 to be celebrity impersonators, and... 221 00:10:24,349 --> 00:10:25,809 and while we're talking about gambling, 222 00:10:26,101 --> 00:10:28,687 I mean, Governor Lester, uh, you know, 223 00:10:28,979 --> 00:10:31,939 he's never publicly come out against riverboat gambling 224 00:10:32,231 --> 00:10:35,067 between, uh, Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky. 225 00:10:35,359 --> 00:10:36,443 So I mean, ask yourselves that. 226 00:10:36,777 --> 00:10:38,487 We could have ourselves a gambling addict in the... 227 00:10:38,779 --> 00:10:40,698 in the governor's mansion. 228 00:10:42,825 --> 00:10:44,743 Y'all are barking up the wrong dirt tree. 229 00:10:48,329 --> 00:10:49,414 - You don't want to write a story 230 00:10:49,706 --> 00:10:50,915 that Herndon failed basic economics 231 00:10:51,207 --> 00:10:52,750 in community college five times 232 00:10:53,042 --> 00:10:55,170 because we're gonna win. 233 00:10:55,461 --> 00:10:57,505 We're young, we're cute. 234 00:10:57,797 --> 00:10:59,299 You don't want to be the guy who bet against us. 235 00:10:59,591 --> 00:11:00,717 You want to be the guy 236 00:11:01,009 --> 00:11:02,552 who went to high school with Kathy Ireland? 237 00:11:02,844 --> 00:11:04,595 And you ignored her because she was mousy-looking 238 00:11:04,887 --> 00:11:06,763 and then years later she's on the cover 239 00:11:07,055 --> 00:11:08,432 of "Sports Illustrated"? 240 00:11:08,724 --> 00:11:10,934 Huh? How's that gonna feel? 241 00:11:11,226 --> 00:11:12,686 You don't want to be that guy. 242 00:11:12,978 --> 00:11:13,770 - All right, now, listen up. 243 00:11:14,062 --> 00:11:15,314 We're exactly one week away 244 00:11:15,606 --> 00:11:16,565 from the only important debate 245 00:11:16,857 --> 00:11:18,192 of this entire election. 246 00:11:18,483 --> 00:11:19,860 I need some dirt on Governor Lester, all right? 247 00:11:20,151 --> 00:11:20,943 And I'm not talking about mudslinging. 248 00:11:21,235 --> 00:11:22,612 Something real. 249 00:11:22,904 --> 00:11:25,323 - What about that intern hours thing we talked about? 250 00:11:25,615 --> 00:11:27,200 - Remind me, what is that again? 251 00:11:27,491 --> 00:11:28,284 - That's we have the news footage 252 00:11:28,576 --> 00:11:29,577 from Lester's headquarters. 253 00:11:29,869 --> 00:11:30,786 Got interns. They're working. 254 00:11:31,078 --> 00:11:32,371 Not only on holidays 255 00:11:32,663 --> 00:11:34,332 but also more than five hours on a business day. 256 00:11:34,832 --> 00:11:35,958 These are unpaid workers so... 257 00:11:36,250 --> 00:11:37,626 - So he's got slaves? 258 00:11:37,918 --> 00:11:39,085 - No, these are interns. It's fine to have interns. 259 00:11:39,377 --> 00:11:40,587 - Alvin. Alvin. 260 00:11:40,879 --> 00:11:42,881 We got footage of Lester using slaves. 261 00:11:43,173 --> 00:11:45,675 - No, no, no. These are interns. They're kids. 262 00:11:45,967 --> 00:11:47,469 - Oh, child slaves. Oh, that's even better. 263 00:11:47,761 --> 00:11:49,137 - That's great. - Child slaves. 264 00:11:49,429 --> 00:11:51,473 I want a press conference, that's what I want. 265 00:11:51,765 --> 00:11:52,599 - Tell Mary Beth we want press conference. 266 00:11:52,890 --> 00:11:54,266 - You're signing off on this? 267 00:11:54,558 --> 00:11:55,517 - I'm signing off on... we're both signing off on it. 268 00:11:55,809 --> 00:11:56,602 What do you mean, we sign off on it? 269 00:11:56,894 --> 00:11:58,062 - We're both signing off. 270 00:11:58,354 --> 00:12:00,397 - Don't with us, Mark. 271 00:12:02,775 --> 00:12:04,318 Sign off on it. 272 00:12:04,610 --> 00:12:07,613 No, but Ben, it will absolutely dominate the airwaves tomorrow 273 00:12:07,905 --> 00:12:09,822 if we hit them with this today. 274 00:12:10,865 --> 00:12:13,284 Yeah, but sir, here's what makes me nervous. 275 00:12:13,576 --> 00:12:15,912 We've got nothing going into the debate. 276 00:12:16,204 --> 00:12:18,331 Nothing that pops. 277 00:12:18,623 --> 00:12:20,375 I'm sure you picked a nice suit out. 278 00:12:20,667 --> 00:12:23,002 That's... 279 00:12:23,294 --> 00:12:24,254 Okay. 280 00:12:26,338 --> 00:12:27,172 It's a no-go. 281 00:12:31,510 --> 00:12:32,719 - What does he want from us? 282 00:12:33,011 --> 00:12:33,762 - I mean, he just can't wrap his head 283 00:12:34,054 --> 00:12:35,305 around any kind of negativity. 284 00:12:35,889 --> 00:12:38,684 - It's what... I never... we've never had zilch, nothing. 285 00:12:38,976 --> 00:12:40,811 Nothing at this late in the game, I mean... 286 00:12:41,103 --> 00:12:43,896 - Wait, wait, wait, wait, Teddy. 287 00:12:44,188 --> 00:12:45,564 - What is it? 288 00:12:50,194 --> 00:12:52,321 Whoo-hoo! 289 00:12:52,613 --> 00:12:53,322 - Got something, boss. 290 00:12:53,614 --> 00:12:54,323 - Once again, 291 00:12:54,615 --> 00:12:56,158 this is a shoes-off house. 292 00:12:56,450 --> 00:12:57,159 - Yeah, not gonna happen. 293 00:12:57,451 --> 00:12:58,535 Look, we got legit evidence 294 00:12:58,910 --> 00:13:01,705 that Lester had a child with his college girlfriend 295 00:13:01,997 --> 00:13:03,081 and he's never admitted to it. 296 00:13:03,373 --> 00:13:04,374 Look at this. Look at this. - What? 297 00:13:04,666 --> 00:13:07,877 - It's true. It's all true. 298 00:13:08,169 --> 00:13:09,796 - And he abandoned the child? - Yes. 299 00:13:10,088 --> 00:13:11,548 - Well, technically he didn't and he's never mentioned it. 300 00:13:11,923 --> 00:13:13,633 I mean, he does pay child support 301 00:13:13,925 --> 00:13:15,551 and apparently they have a good relationship... 302 00:13:15,843 --> 00:13:17,678 - The point is he's a liar, okay? 303 00:13:17,970 --> 00:13:20,014 He's lied time and time again about how many children he has... 304 00:13:20,306 --> 00:13:23,559 - Oh, man. Well, now this raises questions. 305 00:13:23,851 --> 00:13:24,977 - Yes, yes, it does raise some questions 306 00:13:25,269 --> 00:13:26,520 we're gonna raise in the debate tomorrow. 307 00:13:26,812 --> 00:13:28,147 - Oh, no... 308 00:13:28,439 --> 00:13:30,649 - Yes, yes, the people of Ohio deserve to know... 309 00:13:30,941 --> 00:13:32,108 - You got to take the reins on this. 310 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,484 - Who they're gonna pick for governor. 311 00:13:33,776 --> 00:13:35,111 They need to know the truth. 312 00:13:35,403 --> 00:13:37,113 - Okay. 313 00:13:37,405 --> 00:13:38,114 Okay, I will do it. 314 00:13:38,406 --> 00:13:39,240 - You'll do it? 315 00:13:39,532 --> 00:13:40,700 Right, we'll see you tomorrow. 316 00:13:40,992 --> 00:13:42,368 Wait. I got to go take a dump. 317 00:13:42,660 --> 00:13:44,579 Where's your commode at? - No, don't... wait... 318 00:13:44,871 --> 00:13:46,956 Wipe up. Shit. 319 00:13:53,837 --> 00:13:54,921 - I've been working on a... uh, a Herndon impression. 320 00:13:55,213 --> 00:13:56,214 You guys want to see it? - Yeah. 321 00:13:56,506 --> 00:13:57,382 - You can't tell him. 322 00:13:57,674 --> 00:13:59,259 He's always so nervous. 323 00:13:59,551 --> 00:14:00,844 "Well, I... 324 00:14:01,136 --> 00:14:03,597 Alvin. 325 00:14:03,888 --> 00:14:04,680 I think I'm nervous." 326 00:14:06,515 --> 00:14:07,975 You think you're nervous? 327 00:14:08,267 --> 00:14:09,352 Yeah, if you think you're nervous, you are nervous. 328 00:14:10,978 --> 00:14:13,064 - Put the taffy down, Tubby Tammy. 329 00:14:13,356 --> 00:14:14,273 Yeah, this one works good. 330 00:14:14,565 --> 00:14:16,692 I like it. 331 00:14:16,984 --> 00:14:19,695 Put the taffy down, Tubby Tammy. 332 00:14:19,987 --> 00:14:21,905 This one works. 333 00:14:22,197 --> 00:14:23,365 - You guys want to see the King of Pop? 334 00:14:23,656 --> 00:14:25,575 - Yeah, do it. - All right, I'll do it. 335 00:14:29,037 --> 00:14:30,038 Shamone! 336 00:14:33,708 --> 00:14:34,417 - Boss, which one you want? 337 00:14:34,709 --> 00:14:35,710 - I want the colorful one. 338 00:14:36,002 --> 00:14:37,044 I like the one that makes me stand out. 339 00:14:37,336 --> 00:14:39,129 - Let me see it. Let me see it. 340 00:14:46,011 --> 00:14:48,180 Boss. Boss. 341 00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:55,770 Right? 342 00:15:01,526 --> 00:15:06,197 - Tonight, the 1992 Ohio state gubernatorial debate, 343 00:15:06,489 --> 00:15:08,157 with current governor Tom Lester 344 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:10,992 facing off against former councilman Ben Herndon. 345 00:15:12,035 --> 00:15:16,581 And now, your debate moderator, Rhonda Lawndes. 346 00:15:16,873 --> 00:15:18,125 - Live from Wrigley Civic Center, 347 00:15:18,417 --> 00:15:21,586 the 1992 Ohio gubernatorial debate. 348 00:15:21,878 --> 00:15:23,755 - Tonight is the night, Alvie. 349 00:15:24,047 --> 00:15:26,590 The tide is gonna change. 350 00:15:26,882 --> 00:15:28,092 - I have prayed on it, 351 00:15:28,384 --> 00:15:29,635 and I cannot engage 352 00:15:29,927 --> 00:15:32,346 in this kind of attack. 353 00:15:32,638 --> 00:15:34,348 - Well... do you want to lose the race? 354 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,808 Is that what you want to do? 355 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:38,227 - If I do this, how will I sleep at night? 356 00:15:38,519 --> 00:15:41,063 - Y-you drink and you take pills like everybody else. 357 00:15:41,355 --> 00:15:43,648 - I believe in forgiveness. 358 00:15:43,940 --> 00:15:47,026 And I am not sure what you two believe in except yourselves. 359 00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:50,196 I want you off my campaign. 360 00:15:50,488 --> 00:15:52,115 Now if you will excuse me, 361 00:15:52,407 --> 00:15:54,284 I'm going to have an honest debate. 362 00:15:54,576 --> 00:15:56,035 - Thanks for all your help. 363 00:15:56,327 --> 00:15:57,412 - Thanks for having me on. 364 00:15:57,704 --> 00:15:59,496 - Yes, it's a lot of work. 365 00:15:59,788 --> 00:16:00,747 - Yeah. - Not for us. 366 00:16:01,039 --> 00:16:02,374 - No, no, for Mr. Herndon. - Right. 367 00:16:02,666 --> 00:16:04,585 - Please welcome Governor Tom Lester. 368 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:14,803 And former councilman and grandfather Ben Herndon. 369 00:16:19,515 --> 00:16:23,561 - That's the governor. 370 00:16:23,853 --> 00:16:25,480 - It's okay. It's all right. 371 00:16:25,771 --> 00:16:27,565 - With Ohio's economy having a surplus 372 00:16:27,857 --> 00:16:29,525 for the first time in a generation, 373 00:16:29,817 --> 00:16:32,903 how would you continue economic momentum? 374 00:16:33,195 --> 00:16:35,405 - Well that's a... a good question. 375 00:16:35,697 --> 00:16:38,366 And I would like to answer it tomorrow, 376 00:16:38,658 --> 00:16:41,161 and also I'm out of water. 377 00:16:41,453 --> 00:16:42,662 - I have water for you. 378 00:16:52,421 --> 00:16:54,924 - We're gonna lose this election. 379 00:16:55,216 --> 00:16:57,426 - No, no, no, we're ain't gonna lose this election. 380 00:16:57,718 --> 00:16:59,720 Come here. 381 00:17:00,012 --> 00:17:02,973 Remeber what I told you I'd do before I lose an election? 382 00:17:03,265 --> 00:17:05,642 - Oh, yes, that was crazy. 383 00:17:05,934 --> 00:17:08,144 - Should I do it? 384 00:17:09,479 --> 00:17:10,480 - Yeah. 385 00:17:10,772 --> 00:17:11,731 - Yeah. - You should do it. 386 00:17:12,023 --> 00:17:13,816 - Yeah. 387 00:17:14,108 --> 00:17:16,694 - Although I think my opponent would make 388 00:17:16,986 --> 00:17:19,113 a great grandfather of the year, 389 00:17:19,405 --> 00:17:21,698 I think I'd make a better governor. 390 00:17:28,038 --> 00:17:30,082 - Teddy Redbones's been shot! 391 00:17:30,374 --> 00:17:31,667 They shot me! 392 00:17:31,959 --> 00:17:33,877 Someone on Lester's campaign shot me! 393 00:17:34,169 --> 00:17:34,920 Oh! 394 00:17:35,212 --> 00:17:36,213 Oh, man, that hurt. 395 00:17:54,854 --> 00:17:56,147 - That's what I'm saying. 396 00:17:56,439 --> 00:17:58,316 So Cleveland, Youngstown, Columbus, 397 00:17:58,608 --> 00:18:01,820 and all the southern districts are in. 398 00:18:02,112 --> 00:18:04,489 Well, we're waiting on that, but I don't think it matters. 399 00:18:04,781 --> 00:18:05,699 We got this. 400 00:18:05,991 --> 00:18:08,535 It's ours. 401 00:18:08,827 --> 00:18:12,496 Congratulations, Mr. Governor. 402 00:18:14,707 --> 00:18:15,874 We won. 403 00:18:17,251 --> 00:18:20,546 We won! 404 00:18:20,838 --> 00:18:21,589 Yeah! 405 00:18:30,013 --> 00:18:32,640 Um, if you don't mind, 406 00:18:32,932 --> 00:18:35,727 I'd like to say, uh, a few things. 407 00:18:36,019 --> 00:18:38,980 There are three things that I'm grateful for 408 00:18:39,272 --> 00:18:41,608 at this moment. 409 00:18:41,899 --> 00:18:45,861 The first is the way we ran this campaign. 410 00:18:48,155 --> 00:18:51,074 I'm proud of everyone in this room. 411 00:18:51,366 --> 00:18:53,619 The second thing, 412 00:18:53,910 --> 00:18:56,455 I recently met someone 413 00:18:56,747 --> 00:18:59,290 and I... I am just giddy. 414 00:18:59,582 --> 00:19:00,833 It's in that early phase where just... 415 00:19:01,125 --> 00:19:03,753 everything is exciting. 416 00:19:04,045 --> 00:19:05,004 Anything. 417 00:19:05,296 --> 00:19:08,007 Holding hands, seeing each other, 418 00:19:08,299 --> 00:19:10,051 just walking into the same room. 419 00:19:13,304 --> 00:19:15,221 Third thing 420 00:19:15,513 --> 00:19:17,057 is that I am proud and grateful 421 00:19:17,349 --> 00:19:18,850 for this man right here. 422 00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:28,943 - Shut up. Shut up. 423 00:19:29,235 --> 00:19:32,154 Shut up. 424 00:19:32,446 --> 00:19:35,449 I'm gonna cry now. 425 00:19:35,741 --> 00:19:39,370 It's gonna be a weird cry. 426 00:19:39,662 --> 00:19:44,041 This all started with a bet in a restaurant, that right? 427 00:19:44,333 --> 00:19:48,002 A bet that we could get anyone elected to anything. 428 00:19:50,755 --> 00:19:54,175 And we did. 429 00:19:54,467 --> 00:19:57,303 This was never about the state of Ohio 430 00:19:57,595 --> 00:19:59,806 or Ben... 431 00:20:00,098 --> 00:20:03,643 - Herndon. - Herndon. 432 00:20:03,935 --> 00:20:05,894 It's about what we did. 433 00:20:11,274 --> 00:20:15,362 We changed the way that election narratives are hijacked. 434 00:20:18,031 --> 00:20:20,534 Y'all are political professionals. 435 00:20:20,825 --> 00:20:23,786 You should be proud of that. 436 00:20:24,078 --> 00:20:25,996 I'm proud of you. 437 00:20:27,998 --> 00:20:30,751 You love your work, 438 00:20:31,043 --> 00:20:32,253 and you learned a lot. 439 00:20:32,545 --> 00:20:35,089 We all learned a lot. 440 00:20:35,381 --> 00:20:37,257 Like the difference between shooting someone in their ass 441 00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:38,508 and shooting them in their femur, 442 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:39,926 ain't that right, Mary Beth? 443 00:20:41,428 --> 00:20:42,512 You should have seen her out there. 444 00:20:42,804 --> 00:20:44,305 She went, "Ahh!" 445 00:20:44,597 --> 00:20:46,558 It was like Wile E. Coyote down there. 446 00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:47,976 Dumb knucklehead. 447 00:20:48,268 --> 00:20:48,977 Anyway, give yourself. Come on. 448 00:20:56,275 --> 00:20:57,401 - Thank you. 449 00:20:57,693 --> 00:20:59,778 I just heard from Governor Lester 450 00:21:00,070 --> 00:21:01,572 who offers his congratulations. 451 00:21:04,241 --> 00:21:06,744 I cannot believe I am governor. 452 00:21:10,830 --> 00:21:12,665 Oh, I should say now, 453 00:21:12,957 --> 00:21:15,960 we have a family cruise planned in October 454 00:21:16,252 --> 00:21:17,587 for my aunt's 80th birthday, 455 00:21:17,879 --> 00:21:21,674 so I will be gone for three weeks 456 00:21:21,966 --> 00:21:22,341 for the cruise. 457 00:21:23,384 --> 00:21:26,219 I hope that's okay. 458 00:21:26,511 --> 00:21:27,471 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 459 00:21:27,763 --> 00:21:29,055 Thank you for your support. 460 00:21:29,347 --> 00:21:30,766 Thank you for your vote. 461 00:21:31,057 --> 00:21:31,850 Thank you.