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Jensen: It's a time
of enormous turmoil.

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Shut up in here.

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The '60s are over Dad.

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Durham: Here's Michael at
the foul line, a shot on Ehlo.

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- Good!
- Yeah!

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Ha-ha!

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Turner: We intend to cover
all the news all the time.

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We won't be signing off
until the world ends.

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Isn't that special?

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Any tool for human expression
will bring out the best

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and the worst in us,
and television has been that.

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They don't pay me enough
to deal with animals like this.

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People are no longer embarrassed
to admit they watch television.

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We have seen the news
and it is us.

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Clark: Slowly but surely,
the 1970s are disappearing.

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The 1980s will be upon us.

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What a decade it is coming up.

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Happy new year!

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[ Cheers and applause ]

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Auletta: As you begin the '80s
in the television world,

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the landscape was,
on any given evening,

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9 out of 10 people were watching
only one of three networks.

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More than 30 million people
are addicted to it.

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Social critics are mystified
by its success.

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What is it?

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It's television's prime-time,

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prairie pot boiler, "Dallas."

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Bobby: A move like that will
destroy all of Ewing Oil,

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and it'll ruin
our family name.

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I assure you, a thought like
that never crossed my mind.

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Brother or no brother,
whatever it takes,

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I'll stop you from destroying
Ewing Oil.

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"Dallas" really did establish
new ground

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in terms of the weekly,
one hour show

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that literally captivated
America for 13 years.

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"Dallas" is a television show
which in some ways is rooted

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in the 1970's
and one of the crazy things

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that emerges is this character,
J.R. Ewing as a pop phenomenon.

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Tell me, J.R., which slut
are you gonna stay with tonight?

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What difference does it make?

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Whoever it is it's got to be
more interesting

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than the slut I'm looking at
right now.

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Levine:
He was such a delicious villain.

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Everyone was completely enamored
by this character.

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Bianculli: At this point so many
people were watching television

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that you could do something
so unexpected

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that it would become news overnight.

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Who's there?

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[ Gunshot ]

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[ Groans ]

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[ Gunshot ]

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[ Gasping ]

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The national obsession in 1980
around who shot J.R.

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It's hard to imagine
how obsessed we all were

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with that question,
but we were.

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Who shot J.R. is about
as ideal a cliffhanger

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as you possibly could get.

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Brokaw: Who did shoot J.R.?

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We may never get the answer
to that question.

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I mean, the people who produced
that program are gonna keep us

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in suspense for as long
as they possibly can.

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Duffy: We shot J.R. and then
we broke for the summer.

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Then coincidentally,

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the actors went on strike
and it delayed the resolution.

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And it just started to percolate
through the world.

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I remember going on vacation
to England that summer

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and that's all that people
were talking about there.

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Lovejoy:
Well we know you don't die.

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I mean, you couldn't die?

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You don't know that.

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Well, how could you die?

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You couldn't come back
next season.

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That's what I mean.

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I couldn't come back,
but the show could still go.

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Oh, but you wouldn't?

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What is that show
without J.R.?

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Well, that's what I figure.
[ Chuckles ]

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Well, I guess if you don't
know by now who shot J.R.,

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you probably do not care.

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But last night,
some 82 million Americans did

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and they watched the much-touted
"Dallas" episode.

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It could become the most watched
television show ever.

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Troy:
Who shot J.R. is a reflection
of old-fashioned television.

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It's a moment that gathers
everybody around

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the electronic fireplace,
which is now the television set.

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Now, about one special
American television program,

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a critic said it transcends
in popularity

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every other American statement
about war.

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And something special
happened today

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to Mobile Army
Surgical Hospital 4077

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that will touch millions
of Americans.

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Bowen:
It was the kind of an event that
would draw the world's press.

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Stage nine,
20th Century Fox Studios,

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the end of the Korean War--

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The television version,
"M.A.S.H."

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O'Houlihan: It's been an honor
and a privilege

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to have worked with you.

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And I'm very,
very proud to have known you.

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Hart:
There were those landmark times

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when shows that had been watched

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through the '70s and into
the '80s, like "M.A.S.H.,"

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had its final episode.

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And were all sad to see them go.

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I'll miss you.

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I'll miss you.
A lot.

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Naversen: All over the country,

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armies of fans
crowded around television sets

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to watch the final episode
and to bid "M.A.S.H." farewell.

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Levine: The finale of "M.A.S.H."
was unprecedented.

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123 million people

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watched one television program
at the same time.

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You know, I really should be
allowed to go home.

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There's nothing wrong
with me.

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When we ended the show,

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we got telegrams
of congratulations

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from Henry Kissinger
and Ronald Reagan.

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The size of the response

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and the emotional nature
of the response

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that we were getting was
difficult for us to understand.

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Connelly: Who shot J.R. and
the last episode of "M.A.S.H."

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are the last call for the
pre-cable world of television.

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It's like they are the last time

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that that huge audience
will all turn up for one event.

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Esterhaus: All right.
That's it. Let's roll.

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Hey...

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let's be careful out there.

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Dispatch. We have a 9-11.
Armed robbery in progress.

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McQueen: When quality
does emerge on television,

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the phrase "too good for TV"
is often heard.

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One recent network offering
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that phrase
is "Hill Street Blues."

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"Hill Street" is one of
the changing points

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of the entire industry
in the history of TV.

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Bochco: We had all watched
a documentary about cops

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and it had this real hand-held,

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in the moment quality
that we were very enamored of.

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[ Screaming ]

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[ Screaming ]

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Come in!
Come in!

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[ Telephone ringing ]

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Graham: The minute you looked
at it, it looked different.

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It had a mood to it.

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You could almost, you could
almost smell the stale coffee.

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Bochco: We didn't want to do
a standard cop show

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where, you know, you got a crime

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and you got your two cops
and you go out

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and you catch the bad guy
and you sweat him

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and he confesses and that's it.

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Cops have personal lives

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that impact their behavior
in profound ways.

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Well, what about it?
Is he here or is he elsewhere?

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Let's don't get excited counselor.

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We're working on it.

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How's this for logic,
Furillo--

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If he's not here and if he's
not elsewhere, he's lost.

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We didn't say that, counselor.

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You lost my client.

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- Not lost, per se.
- Never in my entire life

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have I listened
to so much incompetence

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covered up
by so much unmitigated crap.

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Find my client, Furillo,

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or I swear I'll have you
up on charges.

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Yost: There'd be these ongoing
arcs for these characters

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that would play out
over five, six episodes,

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sometimes an entire season.

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And in a way, for certain
stories, over the entire series.

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And no one had really done that
in an hour-long dramatic show.

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These past four months
I've missed you.

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I had to find that out.

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Come home, pizza man.

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Bochco: I think in the past,

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people had watched television passively

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and the one thing I think we did
set out to be were provocateurs.

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You want an accident report?
You fill it out.

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What the hell's the matter
with you man?

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I'll tell you something.

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They don't pay me enough
to deal with animals like this.

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The first thing they see
is a white face

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and all they want to do
is do him in!

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You listen to me, Renko.

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It was a white finger
that pulled the trigger,

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not a black one!

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It was a white one.

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Graham: It set a trend.

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The idea that the audience
can accept its characters

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being deeply flawed, you know,

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even though they're wearing
this uniform.

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And I thought that
that was important

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to finally get across.

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Don't do it!
No biting!

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Bochco: We wanted to make a show
that made you participate,

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made you pay attention.

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And I think that worked
pretty well.

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And the winner is...

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"Hill Street Blues."

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[ Cheers and applause ]

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Bochco: We got 21 nominations

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and we went on to win
eight Emmys

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and it put us on the map, literally.

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And that's when people
finally checked us out.

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Tartikoff: The programming chief
of one of the networks

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used to say to me about shows
like "Hill Street"

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and "St. Elsewhere,"

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what the American public wants
is a cheeseburger

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and what you're trying to give
them is a French delicacy.

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And he said, your job is to keep
shoving it down their throat

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until after a while they'll say,
"That doesn't taste bad."

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And maybe they'll even order it themselves

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when they go to the restaurant.

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Nice of you to join us
Dr. Morrison.

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Connelly: The success
of "Hill Street Blues"

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is a critical phenomenon,

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influenced everything
that came after.

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And then, of course, you saw
shows like "St. Elsewhere."

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Do you know what people
call this place?

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Not St. Eligius.

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St. Elsewhere.

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A place you wouldn't want
to send your mother-in-law.

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Yost: When it first came on,

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it was actually promoted
as "Hill Street" in a hospital.

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You give your patients
the wrong antibiotics.

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You don't know what
medications they're on.

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You write the worst
progress notes.

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You're pathetic.

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Pathetic!

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- Nurse: Phil!
- What?!

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Dr. Moray needs you
right away.

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I'm sorry.

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"St. Elsewhere" broke every rule
there was

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and then built some new rules.

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Bobby, the blood bank
called a little while ago.

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They ran a routine panel
on that pint of blood.

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T-cell count was off.

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Yost:
They would have tragic things
happen to these characters.

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There was real heartache
in these people's lives.

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And you really felt for them.

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I've got AIDS?

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Television at its best is a
mirror of society in the moment.

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Harmon: "St. Elsewhere"
challenged people.

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It challenged you as an actor

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much less the audience,
to think.

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The stuff they gave you
was extreme and what they did

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whether they were dealing
with AIDS

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or having one of their
main doctor characters

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raped in a prison.

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They tackled lots
of difficult subjects.

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"St. Elsewhere" was run
by people who were trying

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to stretch the medium,
and in the '80s,

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television producers
were encouraged

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to stretch the medium.

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Okay. Clear.

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[ Indistinct conversations ]

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MAN: A lot of people used
to say, "I was there."

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Now people say they watch it
on television.

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Connelly:
There's just a lot of excitement

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connected to sports
in the '80s.

259
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You used to have to depend on
the five minutes

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at the end
of your local newscast.

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There just hadn't been enough,
you know?

262
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Give us a whole network
of sports.

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Announcer: There's just
one place you need to go

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for all the names and games
making sports news--

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"ESPN Sports Center."

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What happens in the 1980s
is sports becomes a TV show

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and what are TV shows
built around?

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They're built around characters.

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You can't be serious, man.
You cannot be serious!

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You guys are the absolute pits
of the world, you know that?

271
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Connelly:
McEnroe, the perfect villain.

272
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The New Yorker that people
loved to hate.

273
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Borg the cool Swede,
never giving any emotion away.

274
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What tennis really wants
is to get its two best players

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playing over and over again
in the final.

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Whether there's John McEnroe
and Bjorn Borg

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or Chris Evert
and Martina Navratilova.

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That's what we want to tune into
over and over and over again.

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Announcer: Oh, could this be?

280
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Net court at three match points
to Martina Navratilova.

281
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Know that this man
has a smile

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that lights up
a television screen

283
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from here to
Bangor, Maine.

284
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Futterman:
And then there is Magic Johnson,

285
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this urban kid from Michigan

286
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and Larry Bird, this guy
who worked carrying trash.

287
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One plays
for the Los Angeles Lakers,

288
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the other plays
for the Boston Celtics.

289
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It's a great story.

290
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Announcer #1: Off the back.

291
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Lakers had several chances

292
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and here's Larry Bird
dunking down the court.

293
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Announcer #2: Magic Johnson
leads the attack.

294
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Look at that pass.
Oh, oh! What a show!

295
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What a great play!

296
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Oh! What a show!

297
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When those championship games
are in prime time

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and people are paying attention
to that,

299
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television feeds into
those rivalries

300
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and makes them bigger
than they've ever been before.

301
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[ Cheers and applause ]

302
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Connelly: Every Mike Tyson fight
was an event

303
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because every fight
was like an ax murder.

304
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When he fought Michael Spinks,

305
00:13:35,068 --> 00:13:38,068
the electricity, you could just
feel it watching it on TV.

306
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Announcer:
Here comes Mike, Spinks in!

307
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He leads with a right hand!
Down he goes!

308
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Tyson was made for TV
because there was drama.

309
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Announcer: It's all over!
Mike Tyson has won it!

310
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Firestone: Not a lot of junior
high school kids can dunk,

311
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especially at five feet.

312
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But everybody tries now.
Everybody tries.

313
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[ Laughs ] I bet now.

314
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I think that he is starting
to transcend just his sport.

315
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He's becoming something
of a public figure.

316
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Futterman:
Michael Jordan becomes the model

317
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that every other athlete
wants to shoot for.

318
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They want to be a brand.

319
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And that's what television does
for these athletes.

320
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It turns them into worldwide,
iconic brands.

321
00:14:12,275 --> 00:14:14,310
Announcer: The inbound pass
comes in to Jordan.

322
00:14:14,413 --> 00:14:16,551
Here's Michael at the foul line.
A shot on Ehlo.

323
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- Good!
- Yeah!

324
00:14:17,758 --> 00:14:18,965
The Bulls win!

325
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Athletes in the '80s
became part of an ongoing

326
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group of people
that we cared about.

327
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We just had an enormous,
pent-up demand for sports

328
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and the '80s began to provide.
Thank goodness.

329
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Cable television
is continuing to grow.

330
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It's estimated
that it will go into

331
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one million more U.S. households
this year.

332
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With cable television suddenly
offering an array

333
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of different channel choices,
the audience bifurcated.

334
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That's an earthquake.

335
00:14:43,413 --> 00:14:45,344
I want my MTV!I want my MTV!I want my MTV!

336
00:14:45,448 --> 00:14:47,206
I want my MTV.

337
00:14:47,310 --> 00:14:49,000
I want my MTV.

338
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♪

339
00:14:52,482 --> 00:14:54,793
Goodman:
A new concept is born--

340
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The best of TV combined
with the best of radio.

341
00:14:58,275 --> 00:14:59,758
This is it.

342
00:14:59,862 --> 00:15:02,758
Welcome to MTV,
music television--

343
00:15:02,862 --> 00:15:06,896
the world's first 24-hour,
stereo, video music channel.

344
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,655
Julie Brown: Music television,
what a concept.

345
00:15:09,758 --> 00:15:12,793
MTV was, pow!, in your face.

346
00:15:12,896 --> 00:15:15,517
You were not gonna turn us off.

347
00:15:17,206 --> 00:15:18,931
Hanks: MTV did nothing

348
00:15:19,034 --> 00:15:21,758
but play current music videos
all day long.

349
00:15:21,862 --> 00:15:22,896
So let me get this straight--

350
00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,241
You turn on the TV
and it's like the radio?

351
00:15:25,344 --> 00:15:27,241
I'm Martha Quinn.

352
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The music will continue non-stop
on MTV music television,

353
00:15:30,827 --> 00:15:33,827
the newest component
of your stereo system.

354
00:15:33,931 --> 00:15:36,793
When MTV launched,
a generation was launched.

355
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18 to 24-year-olds were saying,
"I want my MTV."

356
00:15:41,034 --> 00:15:44,172
I want my MTV videos.
I want my MTV fashion.

357
00:15:44,275 --> 00:15:45,137
Yo!

358
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Connelly:
MTV was the first network

359
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really focused
on the youth market

360
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and becomes hugely influential

361
00:15:51,103 --> 00:15:52,620
because they understand
each other,

362
00:15:52,724 --> 00:15:53,931
the audience and the network.

363
00:15:54,034 --> 00:15:58,827
MTV had a giant impact
visually and musically

364
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on every part of the TV culture
that came next.

365
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- Freeze!
- Freeze!

366
00:16:03,758 --> 00:16:04,793
Miami Vice.

367
00:16:07,689 --> 00:16:10,793
Pauley: Friday nights on NBC
are different this season,

368
00:16:10,896 --> 00:16:12,172
thanks to "Miami Vice."

369
00:16:12,275 --> 00:16:15,034
It's a show with an old theme,
but a lot of new twists.

370
00:16:15,137 --> 00:16:16,344
Described by one critic

371
00:16:16,448 --> 00:16:18,689
as containing flashes
of brilliance, nonetheless.

372
00:16:18,793 --> 00:16:20,965
Shot entirely on location
in South Miami,

373
00:16:21,068 --> 00:16:23,793
the story centers around
two undercover vice cops.

374
00:16:23,896 --> 00:16:27,793
I don't know how this is
gonna work Tubbs.

375
00:16:27,896 --> 00:16:32,517
I mean, you're not exactly up my
alley style- and persona- wise.

376
00:16:32,620 --> 00:16:34,896
Heaven knows
I'm no box of candy.

377
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,655
Michael Mann: Television
very much was the small screen.

378
00:16:37,758 --> 00:16:38,862
What was interesting

379
00:16:38,965 --> 00:16:41,000
about Tony Yerkovich's
pilot screenplay

380
00:16:41,103 --> 00:16:43,551
for "Miami Vice" is that
it was exactly not that.

381
00:16:43,655 --> 00:16:45,793
Very much the approach was,

382
00:16:45,896 --> 00:16:47,655
okay they call this
a television series,

383
00:16:47,758 --> 00:16:50,620
but we're gonna make one-hour
movies every single week.

384
00:16:50,724 --> 00:16:52,482
Okay, here we go. Standby.

385
00:16:52,586 --> 00:16:53,517
Action!

386
00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:54,758
Police!
Police!

387
00:16:54,862 --> 00:16:55,965
Pauley: You were just
describing the show

388
00:16:56,068 --> 00:16:57,758
as sort of
a new-wave cop show.

389
00:16:57,862 --> 00:16:59,517
Johnson: Yeah,
it's a cop show for the '80s.

390
00:16:59,620 --> 00:17:01,827
I mean, we use a lot
of MTV images

391
00:17:01,931 --> 00:17:05,448
and rock music to help
describe the mood

392
00:17:05,551 --> 00:17:06,793
and feeling of our show.

393
00:17:06,896 --> 00:17:08,034
Graham: In a lot of ways,

394
00:17:08,137 --> 00:17:10,827
you don't get "Miami Vice"
without MTV

395
00:17:10,931 --> 00:17:13,034
because in a lot of ways,
"Miami Vice" was a long video.

396
00:17:13,137 --> 00:17:14,931
The music was such a big part
of that show.

397
00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:17,413
[ Phil Collins'
"In the Air Tonight" plays ]

398
00:17:17,517 --> 00:17:20,448
Michael Mann: There was
an allure to using great music

399
00:17:20,551 --> 00:17:23,482
that everybody was listening
to as opposed to the routine

400
00:17:23,586 --> 00:17:27,413
kind of TV scoring
of that period.

401
00:17:27,517 --> 00:17:31,275
♪ And I can feel it coming
in the air tonight ♪

402
00:17:31,379 --> 00:17:34,931
Not only was it not afraid
to let long scenes play out,

403
00:17:35,034 --> 00:17:38,620
it would drag-- a car
going from point A to point B

404
00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:41,172
could be a four-minute
Phil Collins song,

405
00:17:41,275 --> 00:17:43,172
you know, and it was.

406
00:17:43,275 --> 00:17:46,724
♪ Oh, Lord

407
00:17:46,827 --> 00:17:48,206
Michael Mann: Being able to
take a television series

408
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:51,103
like "Miami Vice" and let's
really kind of rock 'n' roll

409
00:17:51,206 --> 00:17:53,068
with this until somebody says,

410
00:17:53,172 --> 00:17:55,586
"Stop, are you guys crazy?
You can't do that."

411
00:17:55,689 --> 00:17:57,034
And nobody ever did.

412
00:17:57,137 --> 00:17:58,172
[ People screaming ]

413
00:17:58,275 --> 00:17:59,827
Go!

414
00:17:59,931 --> 00:18:02,241
Freeze! Police!

415
00:18:13,482 --> 00:18:14,448
♪

416
00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:15,896
[ Bleating ]

417
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:16,724
Thomas Magnum?

418
00:18:16,827 --> 00:18:18,310
Marion Hammond?

419
00:18:18,413 --> 00:18:20,482
The private investigator?

420
00:18:20,586 --> 00:18:21,689
Oh [ Chuckles ]

421
00:18:21,793 --> 00:18:23,241
You're probably wondering
about the goat.

422
00:18:23,344 --> 00:18:26,896
Um, just let me drop off
my friend, and then we'll talk.

423
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,586
Levine:
When we entered the '80s,

424
00:18:28,689 --> 00:18:32,793
a lot of one-hour dramas
that were light hearted,

425
00:18:32,896 --> 00:18:34,344
like "Magnum, P.I.,"

426
00:18:34,448 --> 00:18:36,344
were very popular.

427
00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:37,551
[ Gunfire ]

428
00:18:37,655 --> 00:18:38,758
[ Tires squeal ]

429
00:18:38,862 --> 00:18:40,724
Bianculli: After "M.A.S.H."
went off the air,

430
00:18:40,827 --> 00:18:44,862
the next season there wasn't
a single sitcom in the top 10.

431
00:18:44,965 --> 00:18:48,551
First time that had ever
happened in TV history.

432
00:18:48,655 --> 00:18:51,896
The prevailing feeling
was that the sitcom was dead.

433
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,689
Greenfield: Brandon Tartikoff,
NBC programming chief,

434
00:18:54,793 --> 00:18:58,241
says reports of the sitcom's
death were greatly exaggerated.

435
00:18:58,344 --> 00:19:01,896
Time and time again,
if you study television history,

436
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,413
just when someone is counting
a form out,

437
00:19:05,517 --> 00:19:07,655
that is exactly the form
of programming

438
00:19:07,758 --> 00:19:09,655
that leads to the next big hit.

439
00:19:09,758 --> 00:19:12,482
♪

440
00:19:12,586 --> 00:19:15,586
Graham: So 1984,
"The Cosby Show" comes on.

441
00:19:15,689 --> 00:19:19,172
Now, Bill Cosby's not new to TV.
He's had other TV shows.

442
00:19:19,275 --> 00:19:22,068
But "The Cosby Show"
is very different.

443
00:19:22,172 --> 00:19:23,862
It stands apart from
everything else he's done.

444
00:19:23,965 --> 00:19:26,034
Mom, I wanted my eggs scrambled.

445
00:19:26,137 --> 00:19:28,379
Coming right up.

446
00:19:28,482 --> 00:19:30,068
Mandabach:
They talked about parenting.

447
00:19:30,172 --> 00:19:31,758
Previous to that, on television

448
00:19:31,862 --> 00:19:33,931
the kids were cool
and the parents were idiots.

449
00:19:34,034 --> 00:19:37,689
And then Cosby says
the parents are in charge

450
00:19:37,793 --> 00:19:39,275
and that was something new.

451
00:19:39,379 --> 00:19:44,931
Instead of acting disappointed
because I'm not like you,

452
00:19:45,034 --> 00:19:47,482
maybe you can just accept
who I am

453
00:19:47,586 --> 00:19:51,896
and love me anyway
because I'm your son.

454
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,206
That's the dumbest thing
I've ever heard in my life!

455
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:57,724
Shales: You know, it helps,

456
00:19:57,827 --> 00:19:59,206
the casting of anything
helps a lot in television.

457
00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:00,620
And the kids were just great.

458
00:20:00,724 --> 00:20:02,724
If you were the last person
on this earth,

459
00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:05,241
I still wouldn't tell you.

460
00:20:05,344 --> 00:20:07,655
You don't have to tell me
what you did.

461
00:20:07,758 --> 00:20:11,172
Just tell me what they're
gonna do to you.

462
00:20:11,275 --> 00:20:12,862
Graham:
Unlike every other show on TV,

463
00:20:12,965 --> 00:20:16,000
it's showing an
upper-middle-class black family.

464
00:20:16,103 --> 00:20:17,413
This wasn't "All in the Family."

465
00:20:17,517 --> 00:20:19,275
They weren't tackling,
you know, deep issues.

466
00:20:19,379 --> 00:20:20,620
But that was okay.

467
00:20:20,724 --> 00:20:23,068
The mere fact that they existed
was a deep issue.

468
00:20:23,172 --> 00:20:27,206
Mandabach: The decade was
waiting for something real.

469
00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:28,620
In other words, unless it's real

470
00:20:28,724 --> 00:20:31,241
it doesn't seem like
it moves anybody.

471
00:20:31,344 --> 00:20:32,517
If someone's feeling something,

472
00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:34,103
you get to the heart,
you get to the mind.

473
00:20:34,206 --> 00:20:36,379
And if you can hit
the hearts and minds,

474
00:20:36,482 --> 00:20:37,689
you got yourself a hit.

475
00:20:37,793 --> 00:20:39,000
How was school?

476
00:20:39,103 --> 00:20:40,896
School, dear?

477
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,413
I brought home two children
that may or may not be ours.

478
00:20:46,517 --> 00:20:52,413
Long: Cosby's show brought
this tremendous audience to NBC.

479
00:20:52,517 --> 00:20:58,206
And that was a bridge to us.
I mean, our ratings went way up.

480
00:20:58,310 --> 00:21:01,103
♪ Sometimes you want to go

481
00:21:01,206 --> 00:21:04,862
♪ Where everybody knows
your name ♪

482
00:21:04,965 --> 00:21:07,482
Even the theme song to "Cheers"
put you in a good mood.

483
00:21:07,586 --> 00:21:08,517
Evening everybody.

484
00:21:08,620 --> 00:21:09,931
- Norm!
- Norm!
- Norm!
- Norm!

485
00:21:10,034 --> 00:21:11,137
Norman.

486
00:21:11,241 --> 00:21:12,379
What's shaking Norm?

487
00:21:12,482 --> 00:21:15,206
All four cheeks
and a couple of chins, Coach.

488
00:21:15,310 --> 00:21:18,724
Levine: By the end
of the "Cheers" pilot,

489
00:21:18,827 --> 00:21:21,758
not only did you know
who everybody was,

490
00:21:21,862 --> 00:21:25,655
but you wanted to come back
and see what was gonna happen.

491
00:21:25,758 --> 00:21:28,137
Bianculli: It's like all you
have to do is watch it once,

492
00:21:28,241 --> 00:21:29,896
you're gonna love these people.

493
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,448
These are universal characters

494
00:21:31,551 --> 00:21:34,000
and the humor worked
on so many levels.

495
00:21:34,103 --> 00:21:35,586
Last night I was up
till 2:00 in the morning

496
00:21:35,689 --> 00:21:37,551
finishing off Kierkegaard.

497
00:21:37,655 --> 00:21:39,827
I hope he thanked you
for it.

498
00:21:40,724 --> 00:21:42,482
You have to create a community

499
00:21:42,586 --> 00:21:44,275
that people are identifying with.

500
00:21:44,379 --> 00:21:47,000
And "Cheers" gives you
that community.

501
00:21:47,103 --> 00:21:49,482
Boy I tell you, I've always
wanted to sky dive.

502
00:21:49,586 --> 00:21:50,689
I've just never had
the guts.

503
00:21:50,793 --> 00:21:52,034
What did it feel like?

504
00:21:52,137 --> 00:21:54,034
Well, imagine it's
a lot like sex, Sammy.

505
00:21:54,137 --> 00:21:58,034
Not that I have to imagine
what sex is like.

506
00:21:58,137 --> 00:22:00,586
But I've had plenty of sex,
and plenty of this, too.

507
00:22:00,689 --> 00:22:03,689
What don't you just
get off my back, okay?

508
00:22:03,793 --> 00:22:06,034
Long: In the first episode,

509
00:22:06,137 --> 00:22:09,068
there was a rather passionate annoyance.

510
00:22:09,172 --> 00:22:13,758
I was saying, uh,
something's going on here.

511
00:22:13,862 --> 00:22:17,241
A really intelligent woman
would see your line of B.S.

512
00:22:17,344 --> 00:22:18,620
a mile away.

513
00:22:18,724 --> 00:22:21,896
I've never met an intelligent
woman that I'd want to date.

514
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,896
On behalf of the intelligent
women around the world,

515
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,413
may I just say, phew!

516
00:22:28,517 --> 00:22:31,172
Burrows: When we saw what
Ted and Shelley had together,

517
00:22:31,275 --> 00:22:35,137
we said, "Oh no,
we gotta do this relationship."

518
00:22:35,241 --> 00:22:39,793
Ted and I understood what
they were writing right away.

519
00:22:39,896 --> 00:22:43,413
If you'll admit
that you are carrying

520
00:22:43,517 --> 00:22:46,310
a little torch for me,

521
00:22:46,413 --> 00:22:49,931
I'll admit that I'm
carrying a little one for you.

522
00:22:50,034 --> 00:22:53,620
Well, I a-am carrying
a little torch for you.

523
00:22:53,724 --> 00:22:55,517
Well,

524
00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:57,689
I'm not carrying one
for you.

525
00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:02,827
Diane knew how to tease Sam.
Sam knew how to tease Diane.

526
00:23:02,931 --> 00:23:05,413
And I guess we knew
how to tease the audience.

527
00:23:07,793 --> 00:23:09,068
Burrows:
This incredible chemistry

528
00:23:09,172 --> 00:23:11,000
between the two of them
ignited the show.

529
00:23:11,103 --> 00:23:13,241
And that's what drove the show
for the first five years.

530
00:23:13,344 --> 00:23:14,517
Oh, I'm devastated.

531
00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:16,241
I need something expeditious

532
00:23:16,344 --> 00:23:18,586
and brutal to numb
my sensibilities

533
00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:20,689
and blast me into
sweet oblivion.

534
00:23:20,793 --> 00:23:21,793
How about a boilermaker?

535
00:23:21,896 --> 00:23:23,275
Make it a mimosa.

536
00:23:23,379 --> 00:23:27,172
Burrows: We had the luck
to be able to rotate cast

537
00:23:27,275 --> 00:23:30,896
and every time we put somebody
in, there were explosions.

538
00:23:33,310 --> 00:23:36,172
Bwah!

539
00:23:36,275 --> 00:23:40,586
Levine: There was something
very special about that setting,

540
00:23:40,689 --> 00:23:45,275
those characters, that I never
got tired of writing that show.

541
00:23:45,379 --> 00:23:47,862
Sophisticated surveys,
telephonic samplings,

542
00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:49,896
test audiences,
all of those things

543
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,896
help to separate winners
from losers

544
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,793
and make mid-course corrections.

545
00:23:53,896 --> 00:23:56,827
But you can't cut all comedies
from the same cookie cutters.

546
00:23:56,931 --> 00:24:00,206
All you can hope is that every
night turns out like Thursday.

547
00:24:00,310 --> 00:24:01,827
Yo, Angela!

548
00:24:01,931 --> 00:24:03,689
Larry, Larry.

549
00:24:03,793 --> 00:24:04,965
Next...

550
00:24:06,068 --> 00:24:06,965
How rude.

551
00:24:08,206 --> 00:24:09,310
[ Cat yowling ]

552
00:24:09,413 --> 00:24:11,413
He's quick,
I'll give him that.

553
00:24:11,517 --> 00:24:12,620
Bianculli:
All of television said,

554
00:24:12,724 --> 00:24:16,241
"Oh, well, maybe the sitcoms
are alive again."

555
00:24:16,344 --> 00:24:19,551
And that's all that it took.
It took one success.

556
00:24:19,655 --> 00:24:20,586
Greenfield:
A few years from now,

557
00:24:20,689 --> 00:24:22,206
something new may tempt
the people

558
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:23,482
who pick what we see.

559
00:24:23,586 --> 00:24:25,275
But it's a very safe guess
that whatever gets hot

560
00:24:25,379 --> 00:24:27,793
for a season or two,
the men and women who create

561
00:24:27,896 --> 00:24:29,275
good television comedy

562
00:24:29,379 --> 00:24:31,172
will be laughing
all the way to the bank.

563
00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:43,137
This is my last broadcast

564
00:24:43,241 --> 00:24:45,724
as the anchorman
of the "CBS Evening News."

565
00:24:45,827 --> 00:24:48,413
For me it's a moment
for which I long have planned,

566
00:24:48,517 --> 00:24:51,206
but which nevertheless
comes with some sadness.

567
00:24:51,310 --> 00:24:52,965
For almost two decades
after all,

568
00:24:53,068 --> 00:24:55,689
we've been meeting like this in
the evenings and I'll miss that.

569
00:24:55,793 --> 00:24:59,620
And that's the way it is,
Friday, March 6, 1981.

570
00:24:59,724 --> 00:25:01,172
I'll be away on assignment

571
00:25:01,275 --> 00:25:04,103
and Dan Rather will be sitting
in here for the next few years.

572
00:25:04,206 --> 00:25:05,379
Good night.

573
00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:09,000
Uncle Walter had dominated
certainly CBS,

574
00:25:09,103 --> 00:25:10,827
but in a way the country.

575
00:25:10,931 --> 00:25:12,241
People used to say

576
00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,068
that he was the most trusted man
in the country.

577
00:25:15,172 --> 00:25:17,000
Bianculli:
Once Walter Cronkite retires,

578
00:25:17,103 --> 00:25:19,103
all three network news anchors

579
00:25:19,206 --> 00:25:20,551
within a period of a couple
of years

580
00:25:20,655 --> 00:25:22,000
switch over to a new generation.

581
00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:24,172
The '80s may have been
the last gasp

582
00:25:24,275 --> 00:25:27,931
where people watching the media
liked and trusted the media.

583
00:25:28,034 --> 00:25:31,206
Nuclear arms and how to prevent
global destruction

584
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:32,931
are expected to be
the major topic

585
00:25:33,034 --> 00:25:35,034
of President Reagan's
news conference tonight.

586
00:25:35,137 --> 00:25:37,000
That conference
will be nationally televised

587
00:25:37,103 --> 00:25:38,068
within the hour.

588
00:25:38,172 --> 00:25:39,793
Lesley Stahl
is at the White House.

589
00:25:39,896 --> 00:25:41,758
Stahl: The White House
is hoping that tomorrow's...

590
00:25:41,862 --> 00:25:44,137
In the '80s,
women came into the newsroom.

591
00:25:44,241 --> 00:25:47,931
When I first joined, it was '72
and there were very few.

592
00:25:48,034 --> 00:25:51,000
By the '80s,
there were more and more.

593
00:25:51,103 --> 00:25:52,310
Woodruff: The decade of the '80s

594
00:25:52,413 --> 00:25:54,379
was still a time
of sink or swim.

595
00:25:54,482 --> 00:25:56,586
You had to be resilient
in your own way

596
00:25:56,689 --> 00:26:00,103
to survive in a period
when you were going up against

597
00:26:00,206 --> 00:26:03,793
a lot of people who still didn't
think women had what it took.

598
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,310
These are some of the most
famous faces in broadcasting,

599
00:26:06,413 --> 00:26:08,103
all of whom happen to be women.

600
00:26:08,206 --> 00:26:10,724
The best producers,
I'm gonna get fired--

601
00:26:10,827 --> 00:26:13,758
the best producers at CBS News
are women.

602
00:26:13,862 --> 00:26:16,896
And they are at the level
of taking hold

603
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,344
and making decisions
about individual pieces.

604
00:26:19,448 --> 00:26:21,206
They're not yet
executive producers

605
00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:24,000
of all the news shows,
but they will be.

606
00:26:24,103 --> 00:26:25,931
Clayton: For the past 24 hours,

607
00:26:26,034 --> 00:26:28,172
Christine Craft has taken
her cause

608
00:26:28,275 --> 00:26:31,000
to many of the nation's news
and talk programs.

609
00:26:31,103 --> 00:26:33,068
I didn't set out to be
Joan of Arc.

610
00:26:33,172 --> 00:26:36,310
But I think that what happened
to me deserves some attention.

611
00:26:36,413 --> 00:26:39,724
Woodruff: Christine Craft
had a very successful career,

612
00:26:39,827 --> 00:26:41,827
but there she was
in her late 30s

613
00:26:41,931 --> 00:26:43,862
and the TV station said to her,

614
00:26:43,965 --> 00:26:47,137
we're taking you off the air
because you've gotten older

615
00:26:47,241 --> 00:26:49,206
and you're not as attractive
as you once were,

616
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:50,655
which was outrageous.

617
00:26:50,758 --> 00:26:52,827
And she decided to make
an issue of it.

618
00:26:52,931 --> 00:26:54,551
She filed a lawsuit

619
00:26:54,655 --> 00:26:57,724
and it became a huge
national topic of discussion.

620
00:26:57,827 --> 00:27:00,827
Woman: A jury said she got a raw
deal because she is a woman.

621
00:27:00,931 --> 00:27:03,655
Woodruff:
And so women in television news
everywhere were asked,

622
00:27:03,758 --> 00:27:05,517
what do you think about
Christine Craft?

623
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:07,413
I think unfortunately
in recent years,

624
00:27:07,517 --> 00:27:09,241
the emphasis has been increasingly

625
00:27:09,344 --> 00:27:12,517
on physical appearance
and to the extent this decision

626
00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:15,344
helped swing the emphasis
back to substance

627
00:27:15,448 --> 00:27:16,689
and to good journalism,

628
00:27:16,793 --> 00:27:18,724
I think we've got something
to be happy about.

629
00:27:18,827 --> 00:27:21,827
It was important to make
the point that what mattered

630
00:27:21,931 --> 00:27:23,724
was what kind of reporter
are you?

631
00:27:23,827 --> 00:27:26,206
But it took
the Christine Craft incident,

632
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:29,862
I think, to bring that
conversation out into the open.

633
00:27:29,965 --> 00:27:31,413
This coming Sunday,

634
00:27:31,517 --> 00:27:34,793
a new television network
opens for business-- CNN.

635
00:27:34,896 --> 00:27:36,586
Cable News Network.

636
00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,275
You're throwing all the dice
on this one?

637
00:27:38,379 --> 00:27:40,793
Why not? Nothing ventured,
nothing gained.

638
00:27:40,896 --> 00:27:42,586
Faint heart never
won fair lady.

639
00:27:42,689 --> 00:27:44,827
Well on that original point,
Mr. Turner,

640
00:27:44,931 --> 00:27:46,241
thank you very much indeed.

641
00:27:46,344 --> 00:27:49,620
Turner: I wanted to see
what was going on in the world.

642
00:27:49,724 --> 00:27:51,793
And there was no way
that you could do it

643
00:27:51,896 --> 00:27:54,068
watching the regular television stations.

644
00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:57,034
The news only comes on
at 6:00 and 10:00.

645
00:27:57,137 --> 00:27:59,379
But if there was news on
24 hours,

646
00:27:59,482 --> 00:28:01,344
people could watch it any time.

647
00:28:01,448 --> 00:28:05,206
We sign on on June 1
and barring satellite problems

648
00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:07,034
in the future,
we won't be signing off

649
00:28:07,137 --> 00:28:08,793
until the world ends.

650
00:28:08,896 --> 00:28:10,068
Greenfield:
There was a widespread belief

651
00:28:10,172 --> 00:28:11,482
this was a fool's errand.

652
00:28:11,586 --> 00:28:14,103
How can this possibly
find an audience?

653
00:28:14,206 --> 00:28:16,827
Well, he did.

654
00:28:16,931 --> 00:28:19,137
Ready Camera three.
One center up.

655
00:28:19,241 --> 00:28:20,655
Good evening.
I'm David Walker.

656
00:28:20,758 --> 00:28:22,689
And I'm Lois Harp.
Now here's the news.

657
00:28:22,793 --> 00:28:24,206
President Carter
has arrived...

658
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:27,758
Television news before this was
stuff that had already happened.

659
00:28:27,862 --> 00:28:29,482
For the first time,

660
00:28:29,586 --> 00:28:34,000
CNN brought the world
to people in real time.

661
00:28:34,103 --> 00:28:37,655
Announcer: CNN-- the world's
most important network.

662
00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:40,103
Turner:
I didn't do Cable News Network

663
00:28:40,206 --> 00:28:42,068
because somebody told me it
couldn't be done.

664
00:28:42,172 --> 00:28:44,448
I figured it was
a very viable concept

665
00:28:44,551 --> 00:28:46,275
and I went ahead and did it.

666
00:28:46,379 --> 00:28:49,000
It was after we announced
that we were going to do it

667
00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:51,275
that the detractors showed up.

668
00:28:51,379 --> 00:28:54,724
Gumbel: Is Cable News Network
just gonna be a new means

669
00:28:54,827 --> 00:28:56,172
of delivering the same kind
of fare?

670
00:28:56,275 --> 00:28:57,724
No.

671
00:28:57,827 --> 00:29:00,448
It already does
provide different fare

672
00:29:00,551 --> 00:29:02,586
and Cable News Network
is a perfect

673
00:29:02,689 --> 00:29:05,413
and maybe the best example
of that.

674
00:29:05,517 --> 00:29:08,655
People love news
and we had lots of it.

675
00:29:08,758 --> 00:29:10,724
And the other guys
had not very much.

676
00:29:10,827 --> 00:29:14,241
So choice and quantity won out.

677
00:29:14,344 --> 00:29:16,034
New York City, hello.

678
00:29:16,137 --> 00:29:19,551
Mintier: A major catastrophe
in America's space program...

679
00:29:19,655 --> 00:29:22,724
I'm Lou Dobbs along with
Financial Editor Myron Kandel.

680
00:29:22,827 --> 00:29:26,000
Jessica McClure trapped
for almost three days now

681
00:29:26,103 --> 00:29:27,896
in a dry artesian well.

682
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,689
Miller: The Iron Curtain
between East Germany

683
00:29:29,793 --> 00:29:32,241
and West Berlin
has come tumbling down.

684
00:29:32,344 --> 00:29:35,206
Good evening I'm Pat Buchanan
the conservative in "Crossfire."

685
00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:38,379
Buchanan: The American people
appreciated the new television.

686
00:29:38,482 --> 00:29:42,206
They certainly came to--
came to CNN in droves.

687
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:46,034
Mr. Gorbachev and I both agree
on the desirability of freer

688
00:29:46,137 --> 00:29:49,655
and more extensive personal
contact between the peoples

689
00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:52,310
of the Soviet Union
and the United States.

690
00:29:52,413 --> 00:29:55,448
We began to realize
that the best way

691
00:29:55,551 --> 00:29:58,379
to get a message to a foreign
leader was to have the President

692
00:29:58,482 --> 00:30:00,931
go in the rose garden
and make a statement.

693
00:30:01,034 --> 00:30:03,689
Because everybody
was watching CNN.

694
00:30:03,793 --> 00:30:07,758
CNN was a breakthrough.
It changed the whole world.

695
00:30:07,862 --> 00:30:10,862
Stahl: It changed quickly,
the network news business.

696
00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:13,379
That business
that we weren't the only ones.

697
00:30:13,482 --> 00:30:14,827
And it was hard, you know.

698
00:30:14,931 --> 00:30:17,620
It's hard to be
on the top little perch

699
00:30:17,724 --> 00:30:19,896
and have to come down off it.

700
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,172
A special segment tonight,
the network news.

701
00:30:23,275 --> 00:30:26,413
The first in a two-part series
on the profound changes

702
00:30:26,517 --> 00:30:28,586
taking place in television news.

703
00:30:28,689 --> 00:30:31,344
Changes being brought about
by business, competition,

704
00:30:31,448 --> 00:30:32,896
and technology.

705
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,862
Heilemann: There are a variety
of reasons why people who worked

706
00:30:34,965 --> 00:30:37,965
at the broadcast networks
were freaked out in the 1980s.

707
00:30:38,068 --> 00:30:40,896
One of them was CNN
and the rise of cable.

708
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,482
Another was being taken over

709
00:30:43,586 --> 00:30:46,344
by foreign entities
in corporate America.

710
00:30:46,448 --> 00:30:49,965
Hart: New owners spent billions
buying the networks recently,

711
00:30:50,068 --> 00:30:52,344
and all of them want
their money's worth.

712
00:30:52,448 --> 00:30:55,896
People began to find out that
news could be a profit center.

713
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,068
And that focused a lot
of attention on us.

714
00:30:58,172 --> 00:31:00,724
A lot from people
in Wall Street, for instance.

715
00:31:00,827 --> 00:31:05,137
If you think about the news
divisions of CBS, NBC and ABC,

716
00:31:05,241 --> 00:31:07,758
they were part of
a really proud tradition,

717
00:31:07,862 --> 00:31:09,862
a journalistic tradition
that really matters.

718
00:31:09,965 --> 00:31:10,931
We serve the public.

719
00:31:11,034 --> 00:31:13,172
This is not about
profit and loss.

720
00:31:13,275 --> 00:31:15,241
And the people who worked
at those news divisions

721
00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:18,034
were totally freaked out
by what it meant

722
00:31:18,137 --> 00:31:21,620
that they were now owned by
these larger corporate entities.

723
00:31:21,724 --> 00:31:24,137
If the television news
isn't profitable at some point,

724
00:31:24,241 --> 00:31:26,620
there won't be any more
television news on the networks.

725
00:31:26,724 --> 00:31:28,689
Shales: I worry about people
who are interested only in money

726
00:31:28,793 --> 00:31:30,551
and power getting ahold
of television.

727
00:31:30,655 --> 00:31:32,482
It has higher purposes
than that.

728
00:31:32,586 --> 00:31:35,068
We have seen the news
and it is us.

729
00:31:45,689 --> 00:31:47,206
♪

730
00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:49,275
Collins:
Sometimes ambition in a woman

731
00:31:49,379 --> 00:31:52,172
is considered to be a dirty word unfortunately.

732
00:31:52,275 --> 00:31:54,137
Bloodworth-Thomason: I don't
hear a lot of female voices

733
00:31:54,241 --> 00:31:56,275
reverberating in the halls
of power in this business.

734
00:31:56,379 --> 00:31:58,517
Well I'm surprised there aren't
more shows about women

735
00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:00,172
that are talking about
who they are.

736
00:32:00,275 --> 00:32:01,931
Directing seems to be an area

737
00:32:02,034 --> 00:32:04,482
that is almost impossible
to break through.

738
00:32:04,586 --> 00:32:07,827
I think the '80s were the era

739
00:32:07,931 --> 00:32:10,862
when women were being looked at

740
00:32:10,965 --> 00:32:12,827
with a little skepticism,

741
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:16,655
but definitely
with more acceptability.

742
00:32:16,758 --> 00:32:22,448
You could see the door opening,
but it wasn't wide open.

743
00:32:22,551 --> 00:32:24,758
Stahl:
"Cagney & Lacey" was huge.

744
00:32:24,862 --> 00:32:27,620
That there would be two women
and they had a serious job

745
00:32:27,724 --> 00:32:30,137
and they solved crimes and they
were out on the streets.

746
00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:31,448
They were tough.

747
00:32:31,551 --> 00:32:34,551
That was emblematic
or maybe out in front a little

748
00:32:34,655 --> 00:32:36,551
of what was actually happening
in the country.

749
00:32:36,655 --> 00:32:39,896
- So, we're a terrific team.
- This is true.

750
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,827
What do you say we go out and
celebrate how terrific we are?

751
00:32:41,931 --> 00:32:45,379
Bianculli:
There had been by that point
hundreds of buddy cop shows,

752
00:32:45,482 --> 00:32:47,413
but these buddies were women.

753
00:32:47,517 --> 00:32:49,482
That had never been done before.

754
00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:52,379
I didn't go after this job

755
00:32:52,482 --> 00:32:54,482
because I couldn't find
anything else.

756
00:32:54,586 --> 00:32:57,137
All right? I did not come here
because I needed

757
00:32:57,241 --> 00:32:59,517
some kind of work to help pay
the orthodontist.

758
00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:00,586
This means something to me.

759
00:33:00,689 --> 00:33:02,206
What the hell are we
talking about here?

760
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:05,310
Corday: We didn't even realize
that this was gonna be

761
00:33:05,413 --> 00:33:08,862
such a big deal, and strangely,

762
00:33:08,965 --> 00:33:11,517
all these guys would say to us,

763
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:13,517
"Well yeah, I mean,
it's a good script,

764
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:16,000
but who's gonna save them
in the end?"

765
00:33:16,103 --> 00:33:18,137
All right, come on.
We're taking you out of here.

766
00:33:18,241 --> 00:33:19,206
[ Sobbing ]
Come on.

767
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:20,551
You're taking my wife?!

768
00:33:20,655 --> 00:33:23,103
You don't take one step.
You understand me?

769
00:33:23,206 --> 00:33:25,551
Sergeant Nelson, you have
until 8:00 tomorrow morning

770
00:33:25,655 --> 00:33:27,206
to turn yourself into IAD.

771
00:33:27,310 --> 00:33:28,068
Phyllis!

772
00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:29,965
If you don't, I will.

773
00:33:30,068 --> 00:33:34,206
Hart: It was a time where you
really saw an emergence of women

774
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:37,344
on television
who were not necessarily

775
00:33:37,448 --> 00:33:40,896
just 20 and blond
and had a small role.

776
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,827
But women who had
substantial roles.

777
00:33:42,931 --> 00:33:47,137
♪ Thank you for being a friend

778
00:33:47,241 --> 00:33:51,137
♪ Traveled down the road
and back again ♪

779
00:33:51,241 --> 00:33:55,000
It was unpredictable
that an audience,

780
00:33:55,103 --> 00:33:58,344
a young audience,
a not so young audience

781
00:33:58,448 --> 00:34:02,482
and lots in between could relate
to those older ladies.

782
00:34:02,586 --> 00:34:04,206
Ma, if you couldn't see,

783
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:07,068
why didn't you call me
to come get you?

784
00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:09,931
I tried to but every time
I put in a dime and dialed,

785
00:34:10,034 --> 00:34:11,827
a condom popped out.

786
00:34:11,931 --> 00:34:13,620
[ Laughter ]

787
00:34:15,793 --> 00:34:18,517
I got five in my pocket.
Here Dorothy.

788
00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:19,931
[ Laughter ]

789
00:34:20,034 --> 00:34:22,827
A lifetime supply.

790
00:34:22,931 --> 00:34:23,896
Mitchell:
She was recently named

791
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,379
along with Norman Lear
and Jim Brooks

792
00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:27,827
as one of television's
most gifted creator/writers.

793
00:34:27,931 --> 00:34:30,551
And when you look back
at the past women role models

794
00:34:30,655 --> 00:34:33,965
on television, well it's easy
to see Susan Harris' impact.

795
00:34:34,068 --> 00:34:37,413
Mandabach: Susan Harris was the
greatest writer, in my opinion,

796
00:34:37,517 --> 00:34:39,137
of her generation, of that time.

797
00:34:39,241 --> 00:34:41,137
Singularly, so, you know,

798
00:34:41,241 --> 00:34:43,724
all credit to her for coming up
with so many iterations

799
00:34:43,827 --> 00:34:45,517
of something so amazing.

800
00:34:45,620 --> 00:34:49,137
Mitchell: Do you think there is
a woman's voice as a writer?

801
00:34:49,241 --> 00:34:51,965
Woman's voice-- well generally
they speak higher, softer.

802
00:34:52,068 --> 00:34:53,793
[ Laughter ]

803
00:34:53,896 --> 00:34:55,137
I should have known not
to ask that of a writer.

804
00:34:55,241 --> 00:34:58,310
Yes, of course,
there's a woman's voice.

805
00:34:58,413 --> 00:35:00,655
Women have
a different perspective.

806
00:35:00,758 --> 00:35:02,931
Women laugh
at different things.

807
00:35:03,034 --> 00:35:05,620
So yes, they're very definitely
is a woman's voice.

808
00:35:05,724 --> 00:35:09,517
Oh, do you know how
many problems we have solved

809
00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:12,620
over a cheesecake
at this kitchen table?

810
00:35:12,724 --> 00:35:14,103
No, Dorothy,
exactly how many?

811
00:35:14,206 --> 00:35:16,310
147, Rose!

812
00:35:16,413 --> 00:35:18,310
Oh.

813
00:35:18,413 --> 00:35:21,379
Hi Bryant. It's cutthroat prime
time time this fall

814
00:35:21,482 --> 00:35:23,137
as some 23 new shows compete

815
00:35:23,241 --> 00:35:25,724
in one of the hottest
ratings races in years.

816
00:35:25,827 --> 00:35:28,482
Here's one just about everybody
predicts will be a big hit.

817
00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:30,620
"Designing Women" on CBS.

818
00:35:30,724 --> 00:35:33,137
Four femmes forming
an interior decorating business

819
00:35:33,241 --> 00:35:34,862
and giving each other
the business.

820
00:35:34,965 --> 00:35:36,931
Suzanne,
if sex were fast food,

821
00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:41,413
there'd be an arch
over your bed.

822
00:35:41,517 --> 00:35:44,965
Corday:
Linda Bloodworth-Thomason
created one of the funniest,

823
00:35:45,068 --> 00:35:48,000
most unusual shows
in "Designing Women."

824
00:35:48,103 --> 00:35:50,689
They were a different group
of women

825
00:35:50,793 --> 00:35:53,724
than you really saw
on television.

826
00:35:53,827 --> 00:35:56,310
They were feisty,
they were sexy,

827
00:35:56,413 --> 00:36:01,448
and Linda's voice
came through shining.

828
00:36:01,551 --> 00:36:03,448
A man can get away
with anything.

829
00:36:03,551 --> 00:36:06,344
I mean, look at Reagan's neck.
It sags down to here.

830
00:36:06,448 --> 00:36:08,862
Everybody raves about
how great he looks.

831
00:36:08,965 --> 00:36:11,310
Can you imagine if Nancy
had that neck?

832
00:36:11,413 --> 00:36:14,000
They'd be putting her in
a nursing home for turkeys.

833
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:19,931
[ Cheers and applause ]

834
00:36:20,034 --> 00:36:21,551
They'd given me this 23 minutes

835
00:36:21,655 --> 00:36:23,793
to address whatever topic
I want.

836
00:36:23,896 --> 00:36:25,689
And it's such a privilege.

837
00:36:25,793 --> 00:36:27,586
It's more than the President
of the United States gets

838
00:36:27,689 --> 00:36:30,068
and it's kind of thrilling
to have that every week.

839
00:36:30,172 --> 00:36:33,103
I would lying if I said I didn't
put my opinions in the show.

840
00:36:33,206 --> 00:36:35,827
Excuse me, but you lovely ladies
look like you're in need

841
00:36:35,931 --> 00:36:38,034
of a little male
companionship here.

842
00:36:38,137 --> 00:36:40,793
Trust me when I tell you
that you have completely

843
00:36:40,896 --> 00:36:43,241
mis-assessed the situation
at this table.

844
00:36:43,344 --> 00:36:46,551
All right.
Moving onto scene B.

845
00:36:46,655 --> 00:36:48,793
English:
I am a woman and I am a writer,

846
00:36:48,896 --> 00:36:53,206
but I don't really enjoy
being called a woman's writer.

847
00:36:53,310 --> 00:36:55,448
I think labels
are harmful to us.

848
00:36:55,551 --> 00:36:57,310
Mitchell: With "Murphy Brown,"

849
00:36:57,413 --> 00:37:01,206
just about everything
about that program felt new.

850
00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:03,517
The civil rights movement
and the women's movement

851
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:07,482
had just begun to sort of be
reflected in the programming

852
00:37:07,586 --> 00:37:10,206
that you saw on television
in the '80s.

853
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:12,931
Murphy, you know the Dunfries
Club is for men only?

854
00:37:13,034 --> 00:37:15,241
And they have great dinners
with great guests

855
00:37:15,344 --> 00:37:18,310
and I don't get to go for
one reason and one reason only.

856
00:37:18,413 --> 00:37:22,034
And it has to do with something
you've got and I don't.

857
00:37:22,137 --> 00:37:27,137
A tiny, pathetic,
little Y chromosome.

858
00:37:29,103 --> 00:37:32,862
Stahl:
"Murphy Brown" was sea change
because she was so popular

859
00:37:32,965 --> 00:37:36,172
and such a strong, independent,
tough woman.

860
00:37:36,275 --> 00:37:38,448
No matter what you think
of a guest or their views,

861
00:37:38,551 --> 00:37:40,724
you are obligated to ask the
questions in a dignified manner.

862
00:37:40,827 --> 00:37:42,862
Jim, she was unprofessional,
am I right?

863
00:37:42,965 --> 00:37:43,689
Well, I, uh...

864
00:37:43,793 --> 00:37:44,931
Do you believe this Jim?

865
00:37:45,034 --> 00:37:47,379
He thinks it's neat that
his office chair swivels

866
00:37:47,482 --> 00:37:49,344
and he's calling me unprofessional.

867
00:38:01,758 --> 00:38:04,551
You are in a good mood tonight.

868
00:38:04,655 --> 00:38:06,827
And I tell you, we have put
a great show together.

869
00:38:06,931 --> 00:38:08,758
It'll be on a week
from Thursday.

870
00:38:08,862 --> 00:38:10,379
[ Laughter ]

871
00:38:10,482 --> 00:38:13,172
Connelly: Johnny Carson in the
'80s is making the transition

872
00:38:13,275 --> 00:38:14,655
from being
the king of late night

873
00:38:14,758 --> 00:38:16,344
to being a national treasure.

874
00:38:16,448 --> 00:38:19,827
He was a throwback to that
old show biz stuff.

875
00:38:19,931 --> 00:38:21,241
I haven't been on with you
for some time.

876
00:38:21,344 --> 00:38:22,689
You, you've been...
It's been a long time.

877
00:38:22,793 --> 00:38:24,241
Yeah, well, you've been
busy with other things.

878
00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:25,689
That's-- [ Chuckles ]

879
00:38:25,793 --> 00:38:27,931
[ Laughter ]

880
00:38:28,034 --> 00:38:30,931
Connelly: The tide is starting
to turn in terms of

881
00:38:31,034 --> 00:38:32,724
where late-night television
is gonna go.

882
00:38:32,827 --> 00:38:34,655
But Johnny is kind of
holding out.

883
00:38:34,758 --> 00:38:38,724
He was not necessarily
of his time in the '80s.

884
00:38:38,827 --> 00:38:41,931
But he did sustain
a certain timelessness.

885
00:38:42,034 --> 00:38:43,275
He's the king.

886
00:38:43,379 --> 00:38:44,758
On your chair.

887
00:38:44,862 --> 00:38:46,448
[ Laughter ]

888
00:38:46,551 --> 00:38:50,724
Whoa!

889
00:38:50,827 --> 00:38:53,241
Hyah!

890
00:38:53,344 --> 00:38:54,551
He's all right.
He's just playing.

891
00:38:54,655 --> 00:38:55,827
Playing my [bleep]

892
00:38:55,931 --> 00:38:57,586
[ Laughter ]

893
00:38:57,689 --> 00:39:01,241
My next guest not only has
a college degree,

894
00:39:01,344 --> 00:39:04,206
but he also has
a high-school degree.

895
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:04,965
That's right, I do.

896
00:39:05,068 --> 00:39:06,275
- As well, un-huh.
- Yes.

897
00:39:06,379 --> 00:39:07,896
He's hosted "The Tonight Show"
practically as often

898
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,344
as Johnny Carson and now
he has his very own show,

899
00:39:11,448 --> 00:39:15,000
Weekday Mornings at 10:00
on NBC.

900
00:39:15,103 --> 00:39:16,862
Ladies and gentleman
what you're witnessing here

901
00:39:16,965 --> 00:39:20,034
is a good idea gone awry.

902
00:39:20,137 --> 00:39:21,931
Yes, and a fun-filled surprise

903
00:39:22,034 --> 00:39:26,000
turning into an incredible
screw up right here.

904
00:39:26,103 --> 00:39:29,896
David Letterman originally
had a one-hour daytime show.

905
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,448
And NBC, after like 13 weeks,
decided to cancel it.

906
00:39:34,551 --> 00:39:36,172
Today is our last show
on the air.

907
00:39:36,275 --> 00:39:37,689
Monday, Las Vegas.

908
00:39:37,793 --> 00:39:40,379
[ Crowd booing ]

909
00:39:40,482 --> 00:39:42,827
Have these people been
frisked before they...

910
00:39:42,931 --> 00:39:45,413
It was a dismal failure
in terms of the ratings.

911
00:39:45,517 --> 00:39:48,655
But not in terms of introducing
us to Letterman.

912
00:39:48,758 --> 00:39:50,655
David, thank you for being
with us tonight.

913
00:39:50,758 --> 00:39:52,620
Thank you very much for
having me, I appreciate it.

914
00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:54,517
And in spite of all
this nonsense

915
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:57,034
that goes around in
the background, stay with it.

916
00:39:57,137 --> 00:39:58,965
Don't give up. And stay with us
here in New York.

917
00:39:59,068 --> 00:40:00,000
We like having you.

918
00:40:00,103 --> 00:40:01,379
I like being here.
Thank you very much.

919
00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:04,758
Dave is back in New York.
You're going to host

920
00:40:04,862 --> 00:40:08,448
a late-night television program
that premieres Monday night.

921
00:40:08,551 --> 00:40:11,137
What are, what are critics
likely to say Tuesday morning?

922
00:40:11,241 --> 00:40:14,344
I don't much care because I
found a way to deal with that--

923
00:40:14,448 --> 00:40:15,310
Pills and whiskey.

924
00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:16,206
[ Laughs ]

925
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:17,793
[ Laughs ]

926
00:40:17,896 --> 00:40:20,758
[ Snorts ]

927
00:40:20,862 --> 00:40:22,137
[ Chuckles ] You're on.

928
00:40:22,241 --> 00:40:24,896
Oh, I'm on. I'm sorry, I was
enjoying listening to you snort.

929
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,655
[ Laughs ]

930
00:40:26,758 --> 00:40:30,379
Levine:
They gave him the "Late Night"
show after "The Tonight Show,"

931
00:40:30,482 --> 00:40:31,758
and at the time, people thought,

932
00:40:31,862 --> 00:40:34,586
who's gonna watch television
at 12:30 at night?

933
00:40:34,689 --> 00:40:36,172
Who's up?
I'll tell you who's up.

934
00:40:36,275 --> 00:40:38,379
Young people. College people.

935
00:40:38,482 --> 00:40:40,344
Is it going well?
I know this is the first show

936
00:40:40,448 --> 00:40:42,000
and I think this guy
needs a little support.

937
00:40:42,103 --> 00:40:43,206
Dave Letterman.

938
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:45,758
Mandabach: He was
antiestablishment at his core.

939
00:40:45,862 --> 00:40:50,586
He was thumbing his nose to
any existing social structures.

940
00:40:50,689 --> 00:40:52,517
Lettermen: Who are those women
- out there, by the way?
- Woman: Neighbors.

941
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:56,655
I'll get rid of them.
Hey, excuse me.

942
00:40:56,758 --> 00:41:00,517
Just keep it moving,
come on.

943
00:41:00,620 --> 00:41:04,896
He kind of spoofed
the whole notion of talk shows.

944
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,862
It's the "Late Night" guest cam.

945
00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:09,827
Please say hello to Tom Hanks.
Here he is.

946
00:41:09,931 --> 00:41:11,620
[ Cheers and applause ]

947
00:41:11,724 --> 00:41:14,137
Hanks: No one can go
on the "David Letterman Show"

948
00:41:14,241 --> 00:41:16,758
and try to steer it towards
a point of view

949
00:41:16,862 --> 00:41:18,344
or push something in particular.

950
00:41:18,448 --> 00:41:19,862
He just wouldn't stand for it.

951
00:41:19,965 --> 00:41:21,758
You're on to do one thing
and one thing only--

952
00:41:21,862 --> 00:41:23,517
be as funny as the rest
of the show.

953
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:25,965
You know, we could get in
a two shot here, Dave.

954
00:41:26,068 --> 00:41:28,379
We could actually send
the crew home, couldn't we?

955
00:41:28,482 --> 00:41:31,103
[ Laughter ]

956
00:41:31,206 --> 00:41:33,000
Steinberg:
You know, as a comedian,

957
00:41:33,103 --> 00:41:35,103
you want the biggest audience
that you could get.

958
00:41:35,206 --> 00:41:36,896
For Dave,
he knew a lot of things

959
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,413
that he would do
were gonna alienate people.

960
00:41:39,517 --> 00:41:40,310
And he didn't care.

961
00:41:40,413 --> 00:41:41,896
He wanted his thumbprint
out there

962
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,034
and that's the most important thing.

963
00:41:44,137 --> 00:41:46,896
It's time for "Small Town News."
Paul?

964
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,724
Excuse me. Paul?
Do you have any--

965
00:41:48,827 --> 00:41:50,172
do you have any accompanying
music here

966
00:41:50,275 --> 00:41:52,689
for "Small Town News"?

967
00:41:52,793 --> 00:41:54,862
Paul Shaffer,
ladies and gentlemen.

968
00:41:54,965 --> 00:41:57,551
Shales: The show making fun
of itself and turning itself

969
00:41:57,655 --> 00:42:01,103
inside out that way
was something kind of new.

970
00:42:01,206 --> 00:42:02,551
I mean,
don't we look like guys

971
00:42:02,655 --> 00:42:03,862
that you'd see hanging around
together?

972
00:42:03,965 --> 00:42:05,551
Absolutely.
Would you like to
hang around with me?

973
00:42:05,655 --> 00:42:06,758
Nope.

974
00:42:06,862 --> 00:42:08,965
I've said it before
and I'll say it again.

975
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:11,758
This is the stupidest show
I've...

976
00:42:11,862 --> 00:42:14,241
I thought that I would never
want to do this show with you.

977
00:42:14,344 --> 00:42:15,241
Now why?

978
00:42:15,344 --> 00:42:17,206
Because you thought
I was a...

979
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:18,413
An [bleep]

980
00:42:18,517 --> 00:42:20,034
[ Laughter ]

981
00:42:20,137 --> 00:42:23,793
There's one rule I keep
trying to abide by

982
00:42:23,896 --> 00:42:27,275
and unfortunately I only get
to it about 12% of the time.

983
00:42:27,379 --> 00:42:29,827
And that is,
it's only television.

984
00:42:29,931 --> 00:42:32,344
We're not doing
cancer research.

985
00:42:32,448 --> 00:42:35,310
If the 40 year-odd history
of commercial broadcasting

986
00:42:35,413 --> 00:42:38,482
has taught us one thing, there's
nothing sacred about television.

987
00:42:38,586 --> 00:42:40,413
All right. Steven is upstairs.

988
00:42:40,517 --> 00:42:43,827
[ Laughter ]

989
00:42:43,931 --> 00:42:45,206
Hey Dave,
I was just curious,

990
00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:47,551
is there any way I can get
MTV on this...

991
00:42:47,655 --> 00:42:50,172
Actually, Steve, that's a--
that's just a monitor

992
00:42:50,275 --> 00:42:52,241
and all you can get
on that is our show.

993
00:42:52,344 --> 00:42:54,275
Oh. That's okay.

994
00:42:54,379 --> 00:42:57,310
Hanks:
There was a degree of cynicism

995
00:42:57,413 --> 00:42:59,551
that was needed in the art form
at that time.

996
00:42:59,655 --> 00:43:00,793
And it's a cynicism

997
00:43:00,896 --> 00:43:03,172
that just became common sense
after a while.

998
00:43:03,275 --> 00:43:04,379
Because it never got old.

999
00:43:04,482 --> 00:43:07,034
I've watched
Johnny Carson,

1000
00:43:07,137 --> 00:43:10,206
and you are no
Johnny Carson.

1001
00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:13,931
[ Cheers and applause ]

1002
00:43:14,034 --> 00:43:16,241
[ Whooping ]

1003
00:43:16,344 --> 00:43:18,517
Good day, welcome to the Great
White North Canadian Corner.

1004
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:20,137
I'm Bob McKenzie,
this is my brother Doug.

1005
00:43:20,241 --> 00:43:23,034
And today we got a real big show
'cause we got a...

1006
00:43:23,137 --> 00:43:24,827
Bianculli: There was
a Second City Chicago company,

1007
00:43:24,931 --> 00:43:27,206
there was a Second City
Toronto company.

1008
00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:31,379
The Toronto one is the one
that fueled the SCTV series,

1009
00:43:31,482 --> 00:43:34,965
which originally was syndicated
and got to the States that way.

1010
00:43:35,068 --> 00:43:37,689
- Hail Caesar!
- Hail Caesar!

1011
00:43:37,793 --> 00:43:38,965
Hail, hail.

1012
00:43:39,068 --> 00:43:40,655
Thank you very much for
that marvelous reception.

1013
00:43:40,758 --> 00:43:43,241
I particularly want to thank
my supporters over there

1014
00:43:43,344 --> 00:43:45,827
in the Caesarian section.[ Laughter ]

1015
00:43:45,931 --> 00:43:49,275
Steinberg:
It's healthy to be an outsider,
you know, as a comedian.

1016
00:43:49,379 --> 00:43:52,103
And Canadian
are always outsiders

1017
00:43:52,206 --> 00:43:54,620
but they're looking at
the other culture,

1018
00:43:54,724 --> 00:43:56,517
which is right next door
to them.

1019
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:59,206
I love you Sammy Maudlin!
I want to bear your children!

1020
00:43:59,310 --> 00:44:00,655
[ Laughs ]

1021
00:44:00,758 --> 00:44:06,034
Hanks: It was the type of comedy
that had only been accessible

1022
00:44:06,137 --> 00:44:08,206
if you could have gotten into
the improv clubs

1023
00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:09,827
in Chicago or Toronto.

1024
00:44:09,931 --> 00:44:12,793
I had never seen anything like
Second City TV.

1025
00:44:12,896 --> 00:44:14,620
Alex Trembel:
James Bridgeman, Parkdale.

1026
00:44:14,724 --> 00:44:16,862
[ Laughter ]

1027
00:44:16,965 --> 00:44:18,724
Sorry, no, never mind.
I'm sorry.

1028
00:44:18,827 --> 00:44:21,827
Yost: It was far more conceptual
in its humor

1029
00:44:21,931 --> 00:44:23,655
because it didn't have to be performed

1030
00:44:23,758 --> 00:44:25,172
in front of an audience.

1031
00:44:25,275 --> 00:44:27,344
And there was also just the idea

1032
00:44:27,448 --> 00:44:30,482
that it was this
sort of low-rent thing.

1033
00:44:30,586 --> 00:44:32,724
It was this sort of
by the seat of their pants

1034
00:44:32,827 --> 00:44:36,827
kind of operation
that gave it an authenticity.

1035
00:44:36,931 --> 00:44:39,000
Now that our programming day
has been extended,

1036
00:44:39,103 --> 00:44:40,413
I'm gonna be spending a lot...

1037
00:44:40,517 --> 00:44:42,965
Where do you want me to
put the kielbasa Mrs. Prickley?

1038
00:44:43,068 --> 00:44:44,275
Put it in the fridge, Butch.

1039
00:44:44,379 --> 00:44:45,965
Yost:
You were rooting for the show

1040
00:44:46,068 --> 00:44:47,862
and the characters
that they had created.

1041
00:44:47,965 --> 00:44:51,241
There was just something
that you got behind.

1042
00:44:51,344 --> 00:44:53,344
Whereas, you know,
"SNL" right from the--

1043
00:44:53,448 --> 00:44:56,379
from the gate
and through the '80s

1044
00:44:56,482 --> 00:44:59,413
was this big enterprise.

1045
00:44:59,517 --> 00:45:01,758
Franken:
After five golden years,

1046
00:45:01,862 --> 00:45:05,137
Lorne decided to leave
and so did those close to him,

1047
00:45:05,241 --> 00:45:09,137
including me, Al Franken.

1048
00:45:09,241 --> 00:45:12,068
So NBC had to pick
a new producer.

1049
00:45:12,172 --> 00:45:14,758
Now most knowledgeable people,
as you might imagine,

1050
00:45:14,862 --> 00:45:18,724
hoped it would be me,
Al Franken.

1051
00:45:18,827 --> 00:45:20,068
Shales:
There was a real question

1052
00:45:20,172 --> 00:45:22,103
of whether "Saturday Night Live"
would continue at all

1053
00:45:22,206 --> 00:45:23,551
or whether it would just die.

1054
00:45:23,655 --> 00:45:25,482
The press hasn't been
overly kind.

1055
00:45:25,586 --> 00:45:26,965
Yeah, I read that stuff.

1056
00:45:27,068 --> 00:45:28,862
"Saturday Night Live"
is Saturday Night Dead.

1057
00:45:28,965 --> 00:45:31,448
Man:
Oh, man, come on. Geez.

1058
00:45:31,551 --> 00:45:32,931
From yucks to yech.

1059
00:45:33,034 --> 00:45:34,103
[ All groan ]

1060
00:45:34,206 --> 00:45:36,103
My favorite, though,
is "Vile From New York."

1061
00:45:36,206 --> 00:45:37,310
Please, Bill, come on.

1062
00:45:37,413 --> 00:45:38,793
It's funny, it's funny.

1063
00:45:38,896 --> 00:45:40,275
Shales:
They were having a hard time

1064
00:45:40,379 --> 00:45:43,068
and then came the man that saved
the show, Eddie Murphy.

1065
00:45:43,172 --> 00:45:46,448
♪ Wookin' pa nub

1066
00:45:46,551 --> 00:45:49,310
Shales: There was buzz about him
so you tuned in

1067
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:52,275
and there was this
kind of explosion of talent

1068
00:45:52,379 --> 00:45:53,551
in front of your eyes.

1069
00:45:53,655 --> 00:45:56,206
[ As James Brown ] Hey!
Too hot in the hot tub!

1070
00:45:56,310 --> 00:45:58,275
Burn myself!

1071
00:45:58,379 --> 00:46:00,896
It really kind of
rejuvenated the show.

1072
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,172
I am Gumby, damn it!
You don't talk to me that way.

1073
00:46:04,275 --> 00:46:05,896
Shales: After a while,

1074
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,034
the show regained its status
and its clout

1075
00:46:08,137 --> 00:46:10,965
and became even more of
an institution than it had been.

1076
00:46:11,068 --> 00:46:12,034
Hey Bob.
[ Chuckles ]

1077
00:46:12,137 --> 00:46:15,172
Hey, penis looks great today.

1078
00:46:15,275 --> 00:46:17,413
Listen, Harry, if you're unhappy
with my work, tell me now!

1079
00:46:17,517 --> 00:46:18,793
You're through,
do you hear me?

1080
00:46:18,896 --> 00:46:20,482
Through! You'll never work
in this town again.

1081
00:46:20,586 --> 00:46:21,551
Don't leave me hanging
by a thread!

1082
00:46:21,655 --> 00:46:23,000
Let me know where I stand!

1083
00:46:23,103 --> 00:46:26,620
We were a little worried at
first because we had a new cast,

1084
00:46:26,724 --> 00:46:28,000
but everyone loves us.

1085
00:46:28,103 --> 00:46:30,413
You guys have been so nice
to us during our stay.

1086
00:46:30,517 --> 00:46:31,896
Isn't that special?

1087
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,413
I am Hans.

1088
00:46:33,517 --> 00:46:37,344
And I am Franz. And we just
want to pump you up!

1089
00:46:37,448 --> 00:46:39,206
Levine: A lot of things
that they could do

1090
00:46:39,310 --> 00:46:42,655
on "Saturday Night Live"
they couldn't do on a sitcom.

1091
00:46:42,758 --> 00:46:47,620
The humor was more daring
and more satirical.

1092
00:46:47,724 --> 00:46:49,137
And it was political.

1093
00:46:49,241 --> 00:46:53,413
You still have, uh, 50 seconds
left Mr. Vice President.

1094
00:46:53,517 --> 00:46:57,793
Well let me just sum up,
on track,

1095
00:46:57,896 --> 00:47:02,206
stay the course,
a thousand points of light.

1096
00:47:02,310 --> 00:47:03,482
Stay the course.

1097
00:47:03,586 --> 00:47:06,000
Governor Dukakis, rebuttal?

1098
00:47:06,103 --> 00:47:08,103
I can't believe I'm losing
to this guy.

1099
00:47:08,206 --> 00:47:09,482
[ Laughter ]

1100
00:47:09,586 --> 00:47:10,896
[ Telephone ringing ]

1101
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,241
I'll get it.
Oh, geez.

1102
00:47:12,344 --> 00:47:13,724
It's Garry Shandling's Show.

1103
00:47:13,827 --> 00:47:16,137
Connelly: People were taking
all the old principles of comedy

1104
00:47:16,241 --> 00:47:18,206
and trying to turn them
into something new.

1105
00:47:18,310 --> 00:47:21,482
We spent years and years
watching sitcoms and dramas

1106
00:47:21,586 --> 00:47:22,655
and talk shows by then.

1107
00:47:22,758 --> 00:47:24,827
We knew them by heart
that if somebody

1108
00:47:24,931 --> 00:47:27,620
played on that and parodied it,
we got it instantly.

1109
00:47:27,724 --> 00:47:30,344
Yeah, I appreciate you coming in
under these conditions Lewis.

1110
00:47:30,448 --> 00:47:32,793
I really do. You want to
hold the credits.

1111
00:47:32,896 --> 00:47:34,793
Okay. Now, see, we were
gonna show the credits

1112
00:47:34,896 --> 00:47:35,896
and you screwed that up, okay?

1113
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,931
'Cause you're late.

1114
00:47:38,034 --> 00:47:41,206
"The Garry Shandling Show"
was aware of the fact

1115
00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:43,000
that it was a situation comedy.

1116
00:47:43,103 --> 00:47:44,241
[ Gasps ]

1117
00:47:44,344 --> 00:47:47,551
It highlighted the cliches
in funny ways.

1118
00:47:47,655 --> 00:47:49,137
Are you looking into
the camera?

1119
00:47:49,241 --> 00:47:50,655
No.

1120
00:47:50,758 --> 00:47:51,724
No, I didn't.

1121
00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:52,689
Don't-- Don't look into
the camera.

1122
00:47:52,793 --> 00:47:53,344
I didn't.
Don't.

1123
00:47:53,448 --> 00:47:54,620
I didn't.

1124
00:47:54,724 --> 00:47:55,862
You don't come in here
and look in the camera.

1125
00:47:55,965 --> 00:47:57,310
I didn't.

1126
00:47:57,413 --> 00:47:59,965
I'll bop you.

1127
00:48:00,068 --> 00:48:02,344
I will,
if I see a tape of this show...

1128
00:48:02,448 --> 00:48:03,482
[ Laughter ]

1129
00:48:03,586 --> 00:48:05,448
...and you're looking
into the c--

1130
00:48:05,551 --> 00:48:07,586
[ Cheers and applause ]

1131
00:48:07,689 --> 00:48:09,827
Well, it's about that time.

1132
00:48:09,931 --> 00:48:11,551
Shales:
"Pee-Wee's Playhouse" on CBS,

1133
00:48:11,655 --> 00:48:13,620
a so-called Saturday morning
kids show

1134
00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:16,034
that adults could watch
and wink at each other

1135
00:48:16,137 --> 00:48:18,034
as they were watching it.
It was very clever.

1136
00:48:18,137 --> 00:48:19,448
Ha-ha!
Morning Conky.

1137
00:48:19,551 --> 00:48:20,758
What's today's secret word?

1138
00:48:22,344 --> 00:48:24,793
Today's secret word is good!

1139
00:48:24,896 --> 00:48:28,448
Levine:
It was a show certainly for kids

1140
00:48:28,551 --> 00:48:31,793
and it was for
stoned baby boomers

1141
00:48:31,896 --> 00:48:35,068
who were totally wasted
on Saturday morning

1142
00:48:35,172 --> 00:48:37,172
and watched
"Pee-Wee's Playhouse"

1143
00:48:37,275 --> 00:48:38,068
and saw God.

1144
00:48:38,172 --> 00:48:39,551
I sure had a lot of fun.

1145
00:48:39,655 --> 00:48:41,172
See you all real soon.

1146
00:48:41,275 --> 00:48:44,000
Until then, everybody be good!

1147
00:48:44,103 --> 00:48:45,344
Ha-ha!

1148
00:48:45,448 --> 00:48:46,206
[ Bell dinging ]

1149
00:48:46,310 --> 00:48:48,689
[ All screaming ]

1150
00:48:59,137 --> 00:49:02,482
Arnold: 1968, the summer before
junior high school.

1151
00:49:02,586 --> 00:49:07,689
And I don't mind saying I was
a pretty fair little athlete.

1152
00:49:07,793 --> 00:49:11,034
Bianculli: "The Wonder Years"
was a guy in modern times

1153
00:49:11,137 --> 00:49:12,896
looking back on his childhood.

1154
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,551
That in itself is not new,

1155
00:49:14,655 --> 00:49:18,206
but "The Wonder Years" did it
with a wit and with the music.

1156
00:49:18,310 --> 00:49:22,758
It was a brilliantly written
show and a great performance

1157
00:49:22,862 --> 00:49:24,482
by that entire young cast.

1158
00:49:24,586 --> 00:49:25,793
Hey, Steve.

1159
00:49:25,896 --> 00:49:27,517
It looks like my baby brother

1160
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:30,000
and his girlfriend
have found each other.

1161
00:49:30,103 --> 00:49:30,862
[ Chuckles ]

1162
00:49:30,965 --> 00:49:32,931
She's not my girlfriend.

1163
00:49:33,034 --> 00:49:36,068
Kevin Arnold has to cope
with all the timeless problems

1164
00:49:36,172 --> 00:49:38,000
of growing up during
one of the most turbulent times

1165
00:49:38,103 --> 00:49:39,310
that we have known.

1166
00:49:39,413 --> 00:49:42,448
Kevin Arnold is just
like a regular kid

1167
00:49:42,551 --> 00:49:44,103
except in the 1960s.

1168
00:49:44,206 --> 00:49:47,586
And he's not really aware
of many of the events.

1169
00:49:47,689 --> 00:49:49,206
Like in one of the episodes,

1170
00:49:49,310 --> 00:49:52,620
the whole family's watching
the Apollo 8 take off.

1171
00:49:52,724 --> 00:49:55,448
But I'm just sitting there
trying to call a girl.

1172
00:49:55,551 --> 00:49:58,172
Bianculli: The first episode
of "The Wonder Years,"

1173
00:49:58,275 --> 00:50:01,310
anybody who saw it
remembers the ending

1174
00:50:01,413 --> 00:50:03,931
where, you know--
the first kiss

1175
00:50:04,034 --> 00:50:06,103
with Winnie and Kevin Arnold.

1176
00:50:06,206 --> 00:50:08,931
The song that they play
is "When a Man Loves a Woman."

1177
00:50:09,034 --> 00:50:13,275
That moment seemed
so pure and so real.

1178
00:50:13,379 --> 00:50:18,448
♪ When a man loves a woman

1179
00:50:18,551 --> 00:50:21,310
♪ Can't keep his mind
on nothing else ♪

1180
00:50:21,413 --> 00:50:24,172
Troy:
The tone of the baby boomers
of the 1960s is about rebellion,

1181
00:50:24,275 --> 00:50:25,482
about being students.

1182
00:50:25,586 --> 00:50:27,689
By the 1980s,
it's time to grow up.

1183
00:50:27,793 --> 00:50:30,034
And so they shave their beards,

1184
00:50:30,137 --> 00:50:32,689
give up their dashikis,
and they put on power suits--

1185
00:50:32,793 --> 00:50:33,655
A whole new notion.

1186
00:50:33,758 --> 00:50:35,068
Ah, the yuppies.

1187
00:50:35,172 --> 00:50:36,241
Last year the politicians

1188
00:50:36,344 --> 00:50:37,862
were all talking about
winning their votes.

1189
00:50:37,965 --> 00:50:39,862
Now those young,
urban professionals

1190
00:50:39,965 --> 00:50:42,137
and the rest of
their baby boom generation

1191
00:50:42,241 --> 00:50:44,931
are being wooed by advertisers
and their agencies.

1192
00:50:45,034 --> 00:50:46,344
Greenfield: By the '80s,

1193
00:50:46,448 --> 00:50:48,655
it was pretty clear
that the generation

1194
00:50:48,758 --> 00:50:50,379
after the generation of the '60s

1195
00:50:50,482 --> 00:50:53,551
may be embodied by Alex Keaton
on "Family Ties."

1196
00:50:53,655 --> 00:50:55,896
Soon to be a lot more interested
in the corner office

1197
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,620
than the new Jerusalem.

1198
00:50:57,724 --> 00:50:58,896
You're a young man.

1199
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,482
You shouldn't be worried
about success.

1200
00:51:01,586 --> 00:51:04,517
You should be thinking about
hopping on a tramp steamer

1201
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:06,034
and going around the world.

1202
00:51:06,137 --> 00:51:08,689
The '60s are over, Dad.

1203
00:51:08,793 --> 00:51:10,241
Thanks for the tip.

1204
00:51:10,344 --> 00:51:13,896
Bianculli: You weren't laughing
at Michael J. Fox's character

1205
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,413
for being too conservative.

1206
00:51:15,517 --> 00:51:18,413
You were actually
laughing at the parents

1207
00:51:18,517 --> 00:51:20,862
for being too hopelessly liberal.

1208
00:51:20,965 --> 00:51:23,586
What is this?
I found it in the shower.

1209
00:51:23,689 --> 00:51:25,620
That's generic brand shampoo.

1210
00:51:25,724 --> 00:51:27,241
Ah!

1211
00:51:27,344 --> 00:51:30,965
This is him. This is the guy
I've been telling you about.

1212
00:51:31,068 --> 00:51:33,103
This is everything
you'd want in a President.

1213
00:51:33,206 --> 00:51:35,551
Troy: The genius
of "Family Ties" is it allows

1214
00:51:35,655 --> 00:51:37,724
a kind of youthful Reaganite
to emerge

1215
00:51:37,827 --> 00:51:39,034
that's focused
more on the future,

1216
00:51:39,137 --> 00:51:41,137
that's focused more on
the a critique of the '60s.

1217
00:51:41,241 --> 00:51:44,620
Levine:
Michael J. Fox as Alex Keaton

1218
00:51:44,724 --> 00:51:48,068
really became
the center of the show.

1219
00:51:48,172 --> 00:51:51,620
And writers were smart enough
to see

1220
00:51:51,724 --> 00:51:55,862
that they had something special
and they wrote to that.

1221
00:51:55,965 --> 00:51:58,000
It's not fair, Alex.

1222
00:51:58,103 --> 00:51:59,137
Yeah.

1223
00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:01,103
There's nothing you can do
about it, Jen.

1224
00:52:01,206 --> 00:52:04,103
My advice to you is
that you just enjoy

1225
00:52:04,206 --> 00:52:06,551
being a child for
as long as you can.

1226
00:52:06,655 --> 00:52:08,413
I know I did.

1227
00:52:08,517 --> 00:52:10,862
It's the best two weeks
of my life.

1228
00:52:10,965 --> 00:52:11,965
[ Laughter ]

1229
00:52:12,068 --> 00:52:14,344
Fox:
Alex is a little Bill Buckley.

1230
00:52:14,448 --> 00:52:16,965
He-- the <i>Wall Street Journal</i>
is his Bible.

1231
00:52:17,068 --> 00:52:17,965
[ Laughs ]

1232
00:52:18,068 --> 00:52:19,896
He has a tie to go with
his pajamas.

1233
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
He's very conservative
and a very intense 17-year-old.

1234
00:52:24,103 --> 00:52:25,655
Now the first thing
your teacher's gonna ask

1235
00:52:25,758 --> 00:52:27,000
is what you did
over the summer.

1236
00:52:27,103 --> 00:52:29,103
Now, a lot of kids are gonna
say, I went to the zoo.

1237
00:52:29,206 --> 00:52:31,586
Or I went to the beach.
Or I went to a baseball game.

1238
00:52:31,689 --> 00:52:32,620
What are you gonna say?

1239
00:52:32,724 --> 00:52:34,758
I watched
the Iran Contra hearings.

1240
00:52:34,862 --> 00:52:36,241
[ Laughter ]

1241
00:52:36,344 --> 00:52:39,068
Peterson: If mom and dad
thought this generation

1242
00:52:39,172 --> 00:52:41,068
was going to the dogs,
think again.

1243
00:52:41,172 --> 00:52:42,586
This is the generation

1244
00:52:42,689 --> 00:52:44,896
that has discovered hard work
and success.

1245
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,068
Troy: American culture
is changing in the '80s.

1246
00:52:47,172 --> 00:52:48,379
And in terms of television,

1247
00:52:48,482 --> 00:52:50,241
there's a whole notion
of demographic segmentation.

1248
00:52:50,344 --> 00:52:54,448
Bochco: Networks were beginning
to not be afraid

1249
00:52:54,551 --> 00:52:58,275
to appeal to
a very specific demographic.

1250
00:52:58,379 --> 00:53:01,068
Hi, handsome.
Look at that shirt.

1251
00:53:01,172 --> 00:53:02,344
Is that a power shirt
or what?

1252
00:53:02,448 --> 00:53:04,586
Nice suit Ellen,
good shoulder pads.

1253
00:53:04,689 --> 00:53:06,275
You looking to get drafted
by the Eagles?

1254
00:53:06,379 --> 00:53:07,655
[ Chuckles ]

1255
00:53:07,758 --> 00:53:09,724
"Thirtysomething" said,
we're not gonna have cops,

1256
00:53:09,827 --> 00:53:10,758
lawyers, or doctors.

1257
00:53:10,862 --> 00:53:12,068
We're just gonna be
about people.

1258
00:53:12,172 --> 00:53:14,793
What are we doing here?
Why did we start this business?

1259
00:53:14,896 --> 00:53:16,310
To do our thing.

1260
00:53:16,413 --> 00:53:18,206
But right now we got two wives,

1261
00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:20,931
three kids, four cars,

1262
00:53:21,034 --> 00:53:23,000
two mortgages, a payroll.

1263
00:53:23,103 --> 00:53:24,482
And that's life, pal.

1264
00:53:24,586 --> 00:53:26,413
You be the breadwinner now.

1265
00:53:26,517 --> 00:53:28,448
Is that what I am?

1266
00:53:28,551 --> 00:53:30,655
Holmes: "Thirtysomething"
is a very important show

1267
00:53:30,758 --> 00:53:33,724
as you're going into this era
of television

1268
00:53:33,827 --> 00:53:35,448
being more introspective
and more emotional.

1269
00:53:35,551 --> 00:53:36,931
And some people
weren't buying it.

1270
00:53:37,034 --> 00:53:39,034
But for other people, when they
were talking about things

1271
00:53:39,137 --> 00:53:42,448
like having kids and who
was gonna go back to work

1272
00:53:42,551 --> 00:53:44,310
and some of these issues
that hadn't been talked about

1273
00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:46,448
a whole lot,
it was important to people.

1274
00:53:46,551 --> 00:53:49,413
[ Fussing, crying ]

1275
00:53:49,517 --> 00:53:51,137
I was so looking forward--

1276
00:53:51,241 --> 00:53:54,344
[ Louder ] I was so looking
forward to doing this,

1277
00:53:54,448 --> 00:53:57,034
to be a grownup
for just an hour.

1278
00:53:57,137 --> 00:54:00,275
In the beginning,
there was talk of this being

1279
00:54:00,379 --> 00:54:02,379
the yuppie show
and you mentioned it tonight.

1280
00:54:02,482 --> 00:54:04,206
You-you said
that if there were a category

1281
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:06,620
for the most annoying show,
this might win as well.

1282
00:54:06,724 --> 00:54:08,586
No, what some people
perceive as annoying

1283
00:54:08,689 --> 00:54:09,793
has nothing to do with yuppie.

1284
00:54:09,896 --> 00:54:12,137
I think yuppie is a word
made up by demographers

1285
00:54:12,241 --> 00:54:13,586
and advertisers to sell soap.

1286
00:54:13,689 --> 00:54:15,793
I don't think it has anything
to do with what the show is.

1287
00:54:15,896 --> 00:54:19,000
"Thirtysomething"
was not a giant hit.

1288
00:54:19,103 --> 00:54:21,965
But it was a niche hit.

1289
00:54:22,068 --> 00:54:25,758
It attracted an enormously
upscale group of advertisers.

1290
00:54:25,862 --> 00:54:28,068
Shales: The network cared
who was watching,

1291
00:54:28,172 --> 00:54:29,517
not how many were watching.

1292
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:31,793
And that was more and more
catching on in the '80s.

1293
00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:34,724
♪

1294
00:54:34,827 --> 00:54:37,275
Sifuentes: The prosecution will
ask you that you look to the law

1295
00:54:37,379 --> 00:54:40,344
and this you must do.

1296
00:54:40,448 --> 00:54:44,103
But I ask of you that you
look to your hearts as well.

1297
00:54:44,206 --> 00:54:45,448
Thank you.

1298
00:54:45,551 --> 00:54:49,103
Holmes: "L.A. Law" was partly
a classic lawyer show.

1299
00:54:49,206 --> 00:54:51,551
But it was intertwined
with their personal lives

1300
00:54:51,655 --> 00:54:53,517
and different lawyers
who were sleeping together

1301
00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:55,586
and trying to get ahead.

1302
00:54:55,689 --> 00:54:57,551
Yost:
The reality level on that show

1303
00:54:57,655 --> 00:54:59,758
was like a foot or two
off the ground.

1304
00:54:59,862 --> 00:55:02,137
And you were willing to go
with that

1305
00:55:02,241 --> 00:55:04,689
because it was a whole new spin
on a law show.

1306
00:55:04,793 --> 00:55:06,241
Unh-unh, tell the truth.

1307
00:55:06,344 --> 00:55:08,344
If you had to do it
all over again

1308
00:55:08,448 --> 00:55:10,068
and she walked into your office
and she said,

1309
00:55:10,172 --> 00:55:11,482
take my case,
would you?

1310
00:55:11,586 --> 00:55:13,000
Well...

1311
00:55:13,103 --> 00:55:17,620
Of course you would, because it
is juicy, newsy, exciting stuff.

1312
00:55:17,724 --> 00:55:19,137
Bochco: It was really fun

1313
00:55:19,241 --> 00:55:22,137
to take the "Hill Street Blues"
format

1314
00:55:22,241 --> 00:55:25,448
and use it to frame

1315
00:55:25,551 --> 00:55:29,931
an entirely different
social and cultural strata

1316
00:55:30,034 --> 00:55:32,344
with vastly different results.

1317
00:55:32,448 --> 00:55:35,931
I wonder if I might engage
with my client privately.

1318
00:55:36,034 --> 00:55:37,241
Certainly.

1319
00:55:37,344 --> 00:55:41,689
[ Sighs ] What are you
doing for dinner tonight?

1320
00:55:41,793 --> 00:55:44,517
I was planning on
having you.

1321
00:55:44,620 --> 00:55:46,931
In that case, skip lunch.

1322
00:55:47,034 --> 00:55:49,689
Bianculli: The formula
had gotten established

1323
00:55:49,793 --> 00:55:51,655
of how you can do
a dramatic show

1324
00:55:51,758 --> 00:55:54,413
and yet still have
an awful lot of fun.

1325
00:55:54,517 --> 00:55:57,310
We didn't used to be able
to accept that very easily

1326
00:55:57,413 --> 00:55:58,724
in a TV hour.

1327
00:55:58,827 --> 00:56:01,034
And even before
the '80s are out,

1328
00:56:01,137 --> 00:56:02,517
it's like, "Oh, okay, I get it.

1329
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:04,793
You know, so it's like, all
right, what are the rules now?"

1330
00:56:04,896 --> 00:56:06,172
- What are you doing?
- I'm doing what I

1331
00:56:06,275 --> 00:56:07,793
should have done all along....should have done all along.

1332
00:56:07,896 --> 00:56:09,206
What I wanted to do originally....do originally.

1333
00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:10,034
What I should have done

1334
00:56:10,137 --> 00:56:10,896
last night.
...last night.

1335
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,172
- Stop that David!
- Stop that David!

1336
00:56:12,275 --> 00:56:14,758
I'm calling the police, David!...the police, David!

1337
00:56:16,034 --> 00:56:17,275
- Hello, police?
- Hello, police?

1338
00:56:17,379 --> 00:56:19,827
Shriver: The networks realized
there was an audience

1339
00:56:19,931 --> 00:56:21,758
looking for something
less predictable

1340
00:56:21,862 --> 00:56:23,655
than traditional prime-time
fare.

1341
00:56:23,758 --> 00:56:25,034
- [ Groans ]
- [ Gasps ]

1342
00:56:25,137 --> 00:56:26,620
Bianculli: "Moonlighting"
was another of those shows

1343
00:56:26,724 --> 00:56:28,517
that said, "Okay,
I see the formulas

1344
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:29,655
that we've had up to here.

1345
00:56:29,758 --> 00:56:31,827
Let's do different things.

1346
00:56:34,896 --> 00:56:35,620
Hello.

1347
00:56:35,724 --> 00:56:37,034
Hello.

1348
00:56:37,137 --> 00:56:39,310
We're looking a little
"pale" [pail] today, aren't we?

1349
00:56:39,413 --> 00:56:40,931
- And who have we here?
- I don't know.

1350
00:56:41,034 --> 00:56:44,103
Moonlighting was a really
experimental show.

1351
00:56:44,206 --> 00:56:46,000
They had a Shakespeare episode.

1352
00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:47,965
They had a black and white episode.

1353
00:56:48,068 --> 00:56:49,827
They did a musical episode.

1354
00:56:49,931 --> 00:56:51,724
They tried a lot
of different stuff.

1355
00:56:51,827 --> 00:56:55,137
I don't give a flying fig
about the lines in my face,

1356
00:56:55,241 --> 00:56:58,517
the crow's feet by my eyes,
or the altitude of my caboose.

1357
00:56:58,620 --> 00:57:01,620
Well, I'm at a loss.

1358
00:57:01,724 --> 00:57:03,551
I don't know what
a flying fig is.

1359
00:57:03,655 --> 00:57:06,689
That's okay, they do.

1360
00:57:06,793 --> 00:57:08,103
[ Cheers and applause ]

1361
00:57:08,206 --> 00:57:10,793
There's no trouble on the set.
There is no trouble on the set.

1362
00:57:10,896 --> 00:57:13,517
Well, we have a very
volatile relationship.

1363
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:15,793
There is a hate/love element
to it.

1364
00:57:15,896 --> 00:57:17,379
Easy come, easy go!
Ha!

1365
00:57:17,482 --> 00:57:18,413
Burrows:
The flirtations were great,

1366
00:57:18,517 --> 00:57:20,137
and Bruce and Cybill were great.

1367
00:57:20,241 --> 00:57:22,655
Glenn Caron kept them apart
for a long time.

1368
00:57:22,758 --> 00:57:24,896
And bravo to him.

1369
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,379
Bianculli:
What they did was they took
the Sam and Diane dynamic

1370
00:57:28,482 --> 00:57:30,655
from "Cheers" and escalated it.

1371
00:57:30,758 --> 00:57:32,551
"Cheers" was,
"Will they or won't they?"

1372
00:57:32,655 --> 00:57:35,448
"Moonlighting" was,
"Do they even want to?"

1373
00:57:35,551 --> 00:57:37,068
Stay away from me.

1374
00:57:37,172 --> 00:57:38,620
Here I come.

1375
00:57:38,724 --> 00:57:41,103
But I don't want you.
I never wanted you.

1376
00:57:41,206 --> 00:57:42,241
Yeah, right.

1377
00:57:42,724 --> 00:57:46,068
Does entertaining mean
at some point stopping the tease

1378
00:57:46,172 --> 00:57:47,172
of Dave and Maddie?

1379
00:57:47,275 --> 00:57:48,586
I mean, do they get together
at some point?

1380
00:57:48,689 --> 00:57:50,896
I hope so. Well, that, that's
gonna be resolved this year.

1381
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,137
We like to think of it as two
and a half years of foreplay.

1382
00:57:53,758 --> 00:57:55,000
Bianculli:
People who had been watching

1383
00:57:55,103 --> 00:57:57,689
"Moonlighting" for years
were waiting for this moment.

1384
00:57:57,793 --> 00:57:59,379
And your emotions
are already there,

1385
00:57:59,482 --> 00:58:02,206
built onto the emotions that
you're seeing on the screen.

1386
00:58:02,310 --> 00:58:04,896
So when "Be My Baby"
by the Ronettes starts playing,

1387
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,965
it's like a perfect storm
of romance.

1388
00:58:07,068 --> 00:58:10,827
[ "Be My Baby" plays ]

1389
00:58:10,931 --> 00:58:14,931
♪ The night we met I knew I

1390
00:58:15,034 --> 00:58:17,620
♪ Needed you so

1391
00:58:28,137 --> 00:58:30,965
In recent years, it seems
that television has become

1392
00:58:31,068 --> 00:58:33,241
a kind of an electronic confessional

1393
00:58:33,344 --> 00:58:35,758
where guests are willing
to expose painful

1394
00:58:35,862 --> 00:58:38,413
and sometimes embarrassing
aspects of their lives

1395
00:58:38,517 --> 00:58:40,793
quite readily
to millions of viewers.

1396
00:58:40,896 --> 00:58:42,758
Bianculli:
At the beginning of the decade,

1397
00:58:42,862 --> 00:58:45,275
we get the dominance
of Phil Donahue.

1398
00:58:45,379 --> 00:58:48,827
And that's sort of
a maturation of women's issues.

1399
00:58:48,931 --> 00:58:51,517
And he seemed to talk to them,
in the audience,

1400
00:58:51,620 --> 00:58:53,793
he seemed to talk to them
through the TV screen.

1401
00:58:53,896 --> 00:58:56,137
I'm glad you called.
Kiss the kids.

1402
00:58:56,241 --> 00:58:57,310
[ Laughter ]

1403
00:58:57,413 --> 00:58:58,758
We'll be back in just a moment.

1404
00:58:58,862 --> 00:59:02,000
If you look at the body
of work we've had,

1405
00:59:02,103 --> 00:59:05,000
you know, you're gonna see
the '80s there.

1406
00:59:05,103 --> 00:59:06,689
I'm not here to say
you're wrong,

1407
00:59:06,793 --> 00:59:08,482
but let's understand this.

1408
00:59:08,586 --> 00:59:11,206
When you bring a moral judgment
without knowing them,

1409
00:59:11,310 --> 00:59:14,103
against them for the way
that they look

1410
00:59:14,206 --> 00:59:18,931
they feel that confirms
the reason for their rebellion,

1411
00:59:19,034 --> 00:59:20,827
if that's what you
want to call it.

1412
00:59:20,931 --> 00:59:23,448
Mitchell: He really believed
that daytime television

1413
00:59:23,551 --> 00:59:28,379
needed to talk about the ideas
we were thinking about,

1414
00:59:28,482 --> 00:59:30,482
the issues we were
concerned about.

1415
00:59:30,586 --> 00:59:33,068
[ Chuckles ] I don't want to
characterize his question,

1416
00:59:33,172 --> 00:59:34,620
but why don't you get this fixed

1417
00:59:34,724 --> 00:59:36,482
instead of doing
this screwy stuff?

1418
00:59:36,586 --> 00:59:38,344
There's not
a single recorded case

1419
00:59:38,448 --> 00:59:41,724
in history of any transsexual,
that ever,

1420
00:59:41,827 --> 00:59:43,275
through psychological treatment, changed.

1421
00:59:43,379 --> 00:59:45,068
It has never happened yet.

1422
00:59:45,172 --> 00:59:48,344
We were putting very important
people on the program.

1423
00:59:48,448 --> 00:59:50,068
All kinds of people.

1424
00:59:50,172 --> 00:59:52,413
Gay people.
People going to jail.

1425
00:59:52,517 --> 00:59:54,344
People running for office,
you know?

1426
00:59:54,448 --> 00:59:56,000
Sometimes the same people.

1427
00:59:56,103 --> 00:59:58,896
It was a magic carpet ride.

1428
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,517
You really do paint
a very, very grim, picture

1429
01:00:01,620 --> 01:00:05,206
of the sitting President
of the United States.

1430
01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:07,137
Let me just say this--
I think he's probably

1431
01:00:07,241 --> 01:00:09,241
the laziest president
that I've ever seen.

1432
01:00:09,344 --> 01:00:12,965
The audience for Phil Donahue
built and built and built

1433
01:00:13,068 --> 01:00:17,793
and built
and led the way to "Oprah."

1434
01:00:17,896 --> 01:00:22,965
♪

1435
01:00:23,068 --> 01:00:24,275
[ Cheers and applause ]

1436
01:00:24,379 --> 01:00:26,310
Whoo!

1437
01:00:26,413 --> 01:00:29,413
Hello, everybody. Hello!

1438
01:00:29,517 --> 01:00:33,862
Mitchell: Oprah has a
particularly magical combination

1439
01:00:33,965 --> 01:00:37,206
of her own background,
her own experience,

1440
01:00:37,310 --> 01:00:42,379
her own incisive mind,
and empathetic spirit.

1441
01:00:42,482 --> 01:00:45,034
Thank you. I'm Oprah Winfrey

1442
01:00:45,137 --> 01:00:48,241
and welcome to the very first
national "Oprah Winfrey Show"!

1443
01:00:48,344 --> 01:00:49,793
[ Cheers and applause ]

1444
01:00:49,896 --> 01:00:51,620
Donahue: I was surprised
at the rocket pace

1445
01:00:51,724 --> 01:00:54,931
that "Oprah" took off
because it took us a lot longer.

1446
01:00:55,034 --> 01:00:57,620
The Donahue show rearranged
the furniture,

1447
01:00:57,724 --> 01:01:00,448
but Oprah remodeled
the whole house.

1448
01:01:00,551 --> 01:01:02,689
Winfrey: There are a lot of
other people who are watching

1449
01:01:02,793 --> 01:01:05,551
who really don't understand
what you mean when you say,

1450
01:01:05,655 --> 01:01:07,000
well, you know, we're in love.

1451
01:01:07,103 --> 01:01:09,000
Because I remember questioning
my gay friends saying, you mean,

1452
01:01:09,103 --> 01:01:11,724
like, you feel about him
the way I feel about...

1453
01:01:11,827 --> 01:01:14,655
It's kind of a strange concept,

1454
01:01:14,758 --> 01:01:16,586
you know, for a lot of people
to accept.

1455
01:01:16,689 --> 01:01:19,241
Oprah was connecting
with people in a way

1456
01:01:19,344 --> 01:01:21,310
that no one had on TV before.

1457
01:01:21,413 --> 01:01:24,137
And it was really special
to see.

1458
01:01:24,241 --> 01:01:26,034
Well, did you know
that for the longest time,

1459
01:01:26,137 --> 01:01:27,862
I wanted to be a fourth grade
teacher because of you?

1460
01:01:27,965 --> 01:01:32,206
My, I was not aware
of inspiring anyone.

1461
01:01:32,310 --> 01:01:34,758
I think you did exactly what
teachers are supposed to do.

1462
01:01:34,862 --> 01:01:36,724
They create a spark
for learning.

1463
01:01:36,827 --> 01:01:38,965
That's the reason I have
a talk show today.

1464
01:01:39,068 --> 01:01:42,310
Oprah Winfrey now dominates
the talk show circuit

1465
01:01:42,413 --> 01:01:44,793
both in the ratings
and popularity.

1466
01:01:44,896 --> 01:01:49,206
I want to use my life as
a source of lifting people up.

1467
01:01:49,310 --> 01:01:50,310
That's what I want to do.

1468
01:01:50,413 --> 01:01:52,068
That's what I do every day
on my show.

1469
01:01:52,172 --> 01:01:54,448
You know, we get accused
of being tabloid television

1470
01:01:54,551 --> 01:01:55,827
and sensational and so forth,

1471
01:01:55,931 --> 01:01:58,000
but what I really think we do
more than anything else

1472
01:01:58,103 --> 01:02:01,206
is we serve as a voice
to a lot of people

1473
01:02:01,310 --> 01:02:04,241
who felt up until perhaps
my show or some of the others,

1474
01:02:04,344 --> 01:02:05,448
that they were alone.

1475
01:02:05,551 --> 01:02:08,931
This is what 67 pounds of fat
looks like.

1476
01:02:09,034 --> 01:02:09,724
[ Audience murmurs, gasps ]

1477
01:02:09,827 --> 01:02:11,793
I can't, I can't lift it.

1478
01:02:11,896 --> 01:02:13,586
It is amazing to me
that I can't lift it,

1479
01:02:13,689 --> 01:02:15,965
but I used to carry it around
every day.

1480
01:02:16,068 --> 01:02:19,344
There's nothing
more endearing to an audience

1481
01:02:19,448 --> 01:02:24,068
than to have that kind of
honest and humility and courage

1482
01:02:24,172 --> 01:02:25,551
on the part of a host.

1483
01:02:25,655 --> 01:02:28,965
And that, I think,
has a lot to do with her power.

1484
01:02:29,068 --> 01:02:30,793
It feels like I can
do some good here.

1485
01:02:30,896 --> 01:02:34,241
And I really do think that
the show does a lot of good.

1486
01:02:34,344 --> 01:02:37,310
♪

1487
01:02:37,413 --> 01:02:40,551
American television
is drowning in talk shows.

1488
01:02:40,655 --> 01:02:43,620
But it's never seen anything
like Morton Downy, Jr.

1489
01:02:43,724 --> 01:02:44,862
I want to tell you
this story--

1490
01:02:44,965 --> 01:02:46,379
Sit down and shut up!

1491
01:02:46,482 --> 01:02:47,793
Troy: Other competitors come

1492
01:02:47,896 --> 01:02:49,620
and take the television
talk show

1493
01:02:49,724 --> 01:02:51,275
into two different directions.

1494
01:02:51,379 --> 01:02:52,482
So you start seeing
the phenomenon

1495
01:02:52,586 --> 01:02:54,344
of daytime television shows

1496
01:02:54,448 --> 01:02:56,689
becoming less tame
and more wild.

1497
01:02:56,793 --> 01:03:02,241
Hart: The '80s brought a lot
of belligerence to television.

1498
01:03:02,344 --> 01:03:04,241
Whether it was
Morton Downey, Jr.

1499
01:03:04,344 --> 01:03:06,482
being the offensive,

1500
01:03:06,586 --> 01:03:09,724
caricature-ish person
that he was,

1501
01:03:09,827 --> 01:03:11,206
or Geraldo.

1502
01:03:11,310 --> 01:03:13,551
He did his own
outlandish things.

1503
01:03:13,655 --> 01:03:15,482
Stay with us ladies
and gentlemen.

1504
01:03:15,586 --> 01:03:18,482
We're gonna get into the mind
of another all American boy

1505
01:03:18,586 --> 01:03:20,310
who came under the influence
of Satanism

1506
01:03:20,413 --> 01:03:23,103
and took part in a crime
without passion or motive.

1507
01:03:23,206 --> 01:03:24,655
Troy: Geraldo Rivera
takes the power

1508
01:03:24,758 --> 01:03:26,448
of the talk show
to a whole other level,

1509
01:03:26,551 --> 01:03:29,034
trying to put people on stage
who hate each other,

1510
01:03:29,137 --> 01:03:30,413
who are gonna fight.

1511
01:03:30,517 --> 01:03:32,448
In the case of the temple
of Set and the church of Satan,

1512
01:03:32,551 --> 01:03:35,206
we have not had any problems
with criminal behavior.

1513
01:03:35,310 --> 01:03:39,620
Yet when you hear story after
story after story of people

1514
01:03:39,724 --> 01:03:41,379
committing
these wretched crimes,

1515
01:03:41,482 --> 01:03:43,586
these violent crimes
in the devil's name?

1516
01:03:43,689 --> 01:03:46,241
Troy: The more tension there is,
the more conflict there is,

1517
01:03:46,344 --> 01:03:48,724
the more violence there is,
the more the ratings go up.

1518
01:03:48,827 --> 01:03:50,655
And the American people
love to complain about it,

1519
01:03:50,758 --> 01:03:52,103
but they also love to watch.

1520
01:03:52,206 --> 01:03:55,206
Brokaw: Geraldo Rivera is back
in a controversy tonight.

1521
01:03:55,310 --> 01:03:56,586
Rivera drew sharp criticism

1522
01:03:56,689 --> 01:03:59,172
with his recent television
special on devil worship.

1523
01:03:59,275 --> 01:04:02,172
But today he found himself
in a real free for all.

1524
01:04:02,275 --> 01:04:05,172
I get sick and tired of seeing
Uncle Tom here, sucking up,

1525
01:04:05,275 --> 01:04:06,482
trying to be a white man.

1526
01:04:06,586 --> 01:04:08,413
Go ahead, Troy, go ahead.
Now, let me tell you--

1527
01:04:08,517 --> 01:04:09,448
[ Audience shouting ]

1528
01:04:09,551 --> 01:04:10,517
- Sit down, man.
- Hey!

1529
01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:11,620
Come on. No.

1530
01:04:11,724 --> 01:04:13,000
You got it coming.
You got it coming.

1531
01:04:13,103 --> 01:04:14,379
Dude...
Get up and get it.

1532
01:04:14,482 --> 01:04:15,413
Nah.
Hey, hold it!

1533
01:04:15,517 --> 01:04:16,517
Hold it!
Sit down!

1534
01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:18,413
[ Indistinct shouting ]

1535
01:04:23,310 --> 01:04:24,793
Brokaw:
Rivera suffered a broken nose

1536
01:04:24,896 --> 01:04:26,275
but he says the show
will be broadcast

1537
01:04:26,379 --> 01:04:29,310
later this month
in its entirety.

1538
01:04:29,413 --> 01:04:33,172
Well, that's not something,
you know, I would have done.

1539
01:04:33,275 --> 01:04:36,275
But there was a lot
of hypocrisy.

1540
01:04:36,379 --> 01:04:39,448
One of the major magazines
put the picture of Geraldo

1541
01:04:39,551 --> 01:04:41,517
getting hit with a chair
on the cover.

1542
01:04:41,620 --> 01:04:43,172
And the article said,
"Isn't this awful?

1543
01:04:43,275 --> 01:04:44,517
Look what's happened
to television."

1544
01:04:44,620 --> 01:04:46,172
And yet they couldn't wait
to use it

1545
01:04:46,275 --> 01:04:47,689
to sell their own magazine.

1546
01:04:47,793 --> 01:04:49,827
Let's go to the audience,
all right.

1547
01:04:49,931 --> 01:04:51,862
I want to speak to you guys.
You guys are...

1548
01:04:51,965 --> 01:04:53,931
Shales: Over the years,
broadcasting has deteriorated.

1549
01:04:54,034 --> 01:04:55,689
And now in this era
of deregulation,

1550
01:04:55,793 --> 01:04:57,103
it's deteriorating further.

1551
01:04:57,206 --> 01:05:01,172
Give people light, and they will
find their own way. Relax.

1552
01:05:01,275 --> 01:05:03,586
America will survive
the talk shows.

1553
01:05:14,275 --> 01:05:19,413
♪

1554
01:05:19,517 --> 01:05:21,482
Troy: A big thing that changes
in the '80s

1555
01:05:21,586 --> 01:05:23,482
is the number of hours spent
watching television.

1556
01:05:23,586 --> 01:05:24,965
[ Whistles ] Goes up.

1557
01:05:25,068 --> 01:05:26,655
The number of hours spent

1558
01:05:26,758 --> 01:05:28,448
talking about television
goes up.

1559
01:05:28,551 --> 01:05:30,000
One of the symbols
of this phenomenon

1560
01:05:30,103 --> 01:05:31,896
is "Entertainment Tonight."

1561
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,965
Hi, I'm Tom Hallick and welcome
to our opening night,

1562
01:05:36,068 --> 01:05:38,931
the premiere edition
of "Entertainment Tonight."

1563
01:05:39,034 --> 01:05:42,000
Hart: All of the critics
were kind of unanimous

1564
01:05:42,103 --> 01:05:43,586
in that they said,

1565
01:05:43,689 --> 01:05:44,931
"It'll never last

1566
01:05:45,034 --> 01:05:47,689
because there simply isn't
enough entertainment news

1567
01:05:47,793 --> 01:05:49,068
to fill a half-hour every night.

1568
01:05:49,172 --> 01:05:51,862
"Entertainment Tonight"
has surveyed TV critics

1569
01:05:51,965 --> 01:05:53,793
in the United States and Canada

1570
01:05:53,896 --> 01:05:56,758
to find out which television
shows had the most impact

1571
01:05:56,862 --> 01:05:58,413
on viewers over the years.

1572
01:05:58,517 --> 01:06:02,206
Now, up until this time, nobody
had done television like this.

1573
01:06:02,310 --> 01:06:03,655
Nobody.

1574
01:06:03,758 --> 01:06:06,724
Burt Reynolds,
the hottest actor in Hollywood.

1575
01:06:06,827 --> 01:06:07,551
I'm surprised
to see you here.

1576
01:06:07,655 --> 01:06:08,310
Well, I'm glad to see you.

1577
01:06:08,413 --> 01:06:09,413
Well, thank you.

1578
01:06:09,517 --> 01:06:10,586
We can meet here every night
if you'd like.

1579
01:06:10,689 --> 01:06:11,448
Thank you.
I'd love it.

1580
01:06:11,551 --> 01:06:12,379
[ Women "Ohh" ]

1581
01:06:12,482 --> 01:06:13,620
Leach:
A lot of what makes

1582
01:06:13,724 --> 01:06:15,413
successful television programming

1583
01:06:15,517 --> 01:06:18,862
is being in the right place
at the right time.

1584
01:06:18,965 --> 01:06:20,413
And it was the right time.

1585
01:06:20,517 --> 01:06:23,241
Mitchell: Entertainment
journalism evolved

1586
01:06:23,344 --> 01:06:26,724
as the audience got more curious
and had more access.

1587
01:06:26,827 --> 01:06:27,931
Until that point,

1588
01:06:28,034 --> 01:06:29,896
the entertainment business
had been something

1589
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,172
that we didn't know
all that much about.

1590
01:06:32,275 --> 01:06:35,103
Hart: We could go behind
the scenes in our effort

1591
01:06:35,206 --> 01:06:38,137
to really give
an insider's look.

1592
01:06:38,241 --> 01:06:41,137
The crafty old J.R. of "Dallas"
fame was with his mother,

1593
01:06:41,241 --> 01:06:44,034
actress Mary Martin
as he was presented with a star

1594
01:06:44,137 --> 01:06:45,482
on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

1595
01:06:45,586 --> 01:06:48,793
It was very honorific
of the industry.

1596
01:06:48,896 --> 01:06:50,793
They would do serious coverage
of it.

1597
01:06:50,896 --> 01:06:52,827
It wasn't salacious
and you would see actors

1598
01:06:52,931 --> 01:06:56,448
speaking as actors instead of
on a Johnny Carson show.

1599
01:06:56,551 --> 01:06:58,172
Man: What are you like
off camera?

1600
01:06:58,275 --> 01:06:59,965
I'm like this.
Oh, this is on camera.

1601
01:07:00,068 --> 01:07:01,448
This is on camera.

1602
01:07:01,551 --> 01:07:05,137
Hanks: It was the beginning
of a lot of money being made

1603
01:07:05,241 --> 01:07:08,448
talking about entertainment
and celebrities.

1604
01:07:08,551 --> 01:07:10,551
Robert Redford plays
the good guy in the movies,

1605
01:07:10,655 --> 01:07:12,482
but don't tell that to
his neighbors in Utah.

1606
01:07:12,586 --> 01:07:13,586
They are still bitter

1607
01:07:13,689 --> 01:07:15,620
and Redford is the target
of their ire.

1608
01:07:15,724 --> 01:07:17,862
Hart:
The audience grew and grew.

1609
01:07:17,965 --> 01:07:19,620
And that was showing us
that the appetite

1610
01:07:19,724 --> 01:07:23,310
for celebrity news was big.
It was big.

1611
01:07:23,413 --> 01:07:26,448
Get ready for "Lifestyles
of the Rich and Famous,"

1612
01:07:26,551 --> 01:07:30,137
television's most dazzling hour
of excitement!

1613
01:07:30,241 --> 01:07:32,413
Hi, I'm Robin Leach in Monaco,

1614
01:07:32,517 --> 01:07:34,862
the glittering gem
of the Riviera.

1615
01:07:34,965 --> 01:07:40,034
And you've got a VIP ticket to
Prince Rainier's private party.

1616
01:07:40,137 --> 01:07:42,724
Your Sunday newspaper
is still delivered

1617
01:07:42,827 --> 01:07:45,000
with the comics around the news.

1618
01:07:45,103 --> 01:07:48,206
And that was what I always
thought "Lifestyles" was.

1619
01:07:48,310 --> 01:07:50,103
We were the comic
around the news.

1620
01:07:50,206 --> 01:07:53,965
Except we did it as seriously
as they did news.

1621
01:07:54,068 --> 01:07:56,655
Finally in the driving seat
of his own career,

1622
01:07:56,758 --> 01:07:59,137
he burned rubber
in a new direction.

1623
01:07:59,241 --> 01:08:01,448
David Hasselhoff-- rock idol.

1624
01:08:01,551 --> 01:08:05,827
Hart: It was a time where
pushing the limits with wealth

1625
01:08:05,931 --> 01:08:10,068
and ostentatiousness in a lot
of cases was very comfortable.

1626
01:08:10,172 --> 01:08:12,758
One of the earliest stories
that we presented to you

1627
01:08:12,862 --> 01:08:16,172
on "Lifestyles" was about
the amazing real-estate wizard

1628
01:08:16,275 --> 01:08:17,551
Donald Trump.

1629
01:08:17,655 --> 01:08:19,586
If he didn't shock and surprise
you back then,

1630
01:08:19,689 --> 01:08:22,172
he's had plenty of time since.

1631
01:08:22,275 --> 01:08:25,413
With all of this costing
billions, not millions,

1632
01:08:25,517 --> 01:08:27,172
do the figures
ever frighten you?

1633
01:08:27,275 --> 01:08:28,758
The answer is no.
It's my business.

1634
01:08:28,862 --> 01:08:30,758
It's my life.
It's my lifestyle.

1635
01:08:30,862 --> 01:08:33,379
I love it.
The good, the bad.

1636
01:08:33,482 --> 01:08:36,586
Does this bring with it
political aspirations?

1637
01:08:36,689 --> 01:08:38,655
No political aspiration.

1638
01:08:38,758 --> 01:08:41,931
Bob Brown: Your show has gotten
a lot of ridicule.

1639
01:08:42,034 --> 01:08:45,172
There are people who say
it's nothing more than trash.

1640
01:08:45,275 --> 01:08:46,931
That doesn't upset me
because I think

1641
01:08:47,034 --> 01:08:48,862
it's the best trash
there is on television.

1642
01:08:48,965 --> 01:08:52,068
I am not in the business
of brain surgery.

1643
01:08:52,172 --> 01:08:54,206
I am in the business
of fluff.

1644
01:08:54,310 --> 01:08:55,965
Connelly:
It's the fantasy element

1645
01:08:56,068 --> 01:08:58,103
at a time when the access
is possible.

1646
01:08:58,206 --> 01:09:00,965
It's escapism
and it's aspirational.

1647
01:09:01,068 --> 01:09:03,206
You want to stand in a hot tub
with a glass of champagne?

1648
01:09:03,310 --> 01:09:04,758
Rock on!

1649
01:09:04,862 --> 01:09:08,896
Leach: We'd never seen that
kind of wealth ever before.

1650
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,689
We didn't mock it,
we didn't say it was right,

1651
01:09:11,793 --> 01:09:13,551
and we didn't say it was wrong.

1652
01:09:13,655 --> 01:09:16,689
We were just through
the keyhole.

1653
01:09:16,793 --> 01:09:19,310
Sometimes, you know,
it absolutely amazes me.

1654
01:09:19,413 --> 01:09:23,103
I walk away from a shoot and I
think, "Well, we did it again."

1655
01:09:23,206 --> 01:09:25,689
There was more of everything
in TV by the '80s.

1656
01:09:25,793 --> 01:09:28,965
Your opportunities for watching
stuff is increasingly vast.

1657
01:09:29,068 --> 01:09:32,068
Announcer:
NBC presents "Real People."

1658
01:09:32,172 --> 01:09:35,000
My name's Michael B. Wilson.

1659
01:09:35,103 --> 01:09:36,931
The thought dawned on me
that the application

1660
01:09:37,034 --> 01:09:38,655
of a small motor on a pair
of roller skates

1661
01:09:38,758 --> 01:09:40,517
might really be a great thing.

1662
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:42,655
Barbour: Somebody once said
that each one of us

1663
01:09:42,758 --> 01:09:44,793
will be a star for 15 minutes.

1664
01:09:44,896 --> 01:09:46,862
And I think that that's
probably going to happen.

1665
01:09:46,965 --> 01:09:49,172
Troy: American culture used to
be a culture that celebrated

1666
01:09:49,275 --> 01:09:52,206
privacy and in the 1980s
as we're watching celebrities

1667
01:09:52,310 --> 01:09:56,344
sort of play out onstage,
"Hey, I want to join, too."

1668
01:09:56,448 --> 01:09:59,137
All the world becomes a stage
and you start seeing shows

1669
01:09:59,241 --> 01:10:01,379
like "Real People"
or "The People's Court."

1670
01:10:01,482 --> 01:10:02,620
Announcer: The People's Court--

1671
01:10:02,724 --> 01:10:06,379
Where reality television
is taken one step further.

1672
01:10:06,482 --> 01:10:09,827
To see more TV, producers had to
come up with

1673
01:10:09,931 --> 01:10:13,241
new and different ways
to give them television.

1674
01:10:13,344 --> 01:10:15,241
Don't. Be. Stupid.

1675
01:10:15,344 --> 01:10:17,241
Carl, get over here!

1676
01:10:17,344 --> 01:10:19,068
[ Screams ]

1677
01:10:19,172 --> 01:10:20,448
I told you
not to be stupid!

1678
01:10:20,551 --> 01:10:23,137
Bianculli: What "Cops" did
was it took away the script

1679
01:10:23,241 --> 01:10:27,275
and just brought the camera
people and the crews on location

1680
01:10:27,379 --> 01:10:29,896
to try and catch
actual things happening.

1681
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,241
Cocaine...

1682
01:10:31,344 --> 01:10:33,551
Possession of
a stolen firearm no less.

1683
01:10:33,655 --> 01:10:35,448
What else are you gonna do?

1684
01:10:45,586 --> 01:10:49,103
♪

1685
01:10:49,206 --> 01:10:51,275
Officiant: With this ring...

1686
01:10:51,379 --> 01:10:52,344
With this ring...

1687
01:10:52,448 --> 01:10:53,172
I thee wed.

1688
01:10:53,275 --> 01:10:54,862
I thee wed.

1689
01:10:54,965 --> 01:10:56,310
With my body...

1690
01:10:56,413 --> 01:10:57,517
With my body...

1691
01:10:57,620 --> 01:10:58,517
I thee bond.

1692
01:10:58,620 --> 01:11:00,137
I thee bond.

1693
01:11:00,241 --> 01:11:03,068
Connelly: The biggest television
event of the 1980s

1694
01:11:03,172 --> 01:11:05,137
is the marriage
of Charles and Diana.

1695
01:11:05,241 --> 01:11:07,586
It's like the world stopped
when that happened.

1696
01:11:07,689 --> 01:11:09,862
I mean, that was, like,
just massive.

1697
01:11:09,965 --> 01:11:12,137
Reporter: This was the final act
of a spectacle

1698
01:11:12,241 --> 01:11:15,758
that may never again be seen
in this century, if ever.

1699
01:11:15,862 --> 01:11:17,689
Rather: The Archbishop
of Canterbury called the wedding

1700
01:11:17,793 --> 01:11:20,068
of Prince Charles
and Lady Diana Spencer today

1701
01:11:20,172 --> 01:11:21,655
the stuff of fairy tales.

1702
01:11:21,758 --> 01:11:24,068
Chancellor: Good evening.
The royal couple at this hour

1703
01:11:24,172 --> 01:11:25,413
is off on the honeymoon,

1704
01:11:25,517 --> 01:11:27,827
while a lot of people
here in London tonight

1705
01:11:27,931 --> 01:11:30,379
are still talking about
the events of the day.

1706
01:11:30,482 --> 01:11:32,965
Troy: When you have great
moments like the royal wedding,

1707
01:11:33,068 --> 01:11:35,379
they're a part of history
and it's done beautifully

1708
01:11:35,482 --> 01:11:37,965
and everybody has a chance
to watch it all on television.

1709
01:11:38,068 --> 01:11:41,793
Everybody just wants to drink
a toast to Chuck and Di.

1710
01:11:41,896 --> 01:11:44,896
Jennings: A princess who must
now be aware as it was

1711
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,103
on this day that every single
move she makes in public

1712
01:11:48,206 --> 01:11:50,551
will be recorded and observed.

1713
01:11:50,655 --> 01:11:53,482
A very difficult life indeed.

1714
01:11:53,586 --> 01:11:56,068
We'll be back in just a moment
with some closing observations

1715
01:11:56,172 --> 01:12:00,000
and one final look at
what has justifiably been called

1716
01:12:00,103 --> 01:12:01,896
the wedding of the century.

1717
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,896
Officiant: By the authority
of the state of New York,

1718
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,655
I pronounce that they
are husband and wife.

1719
01:12:08,758 --> 01:12:10,137
You may kiss the bride.

1720
01:12:10,241 --> 01:12:12,758
[ Cheers and applause ]

1721
01:12:12,862 --> 01:12:16,137
Your wedding was seen by an
astonishing number of people--

1722
01:12:16,241 --> 01:12:17,931
16 and 19 million viewers.

1723
01:12:18,034 --> 01:12:19,206
How do you account for
that kind of popularity?

1724
01:12:19,310 --> 01:12:21,310
Oh, I can't. I can't.

1725
01:12:21,413 --> 01:12:24,896
The way it's grown, it's just--
it's amazing to me.

1726
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,482
Connelly: It did appear in
the '80s that it was a good time

1727
01:12:28,586 --> 01:12:29,827
for daytime soap operas,

1728
01:12:29,931 --> 01:12:31,827
especially for a show
like "General Hospital,"

1729
01:12:31,931 --> 01:12:34,689
which had that huge success
with Luke and Laura's wedding.

1730
01:12:34,793 --> 01:12:37,758
Duffy: I remember
when Luke and Laura got married

1731
01:12:37,862 --> 01:12:40,655
because it was nighttime newsworthy.

1732
01:12:40,758 --> 01:12:45,000
The soap opera discovers
the blockbuster mentality,

1733
01:12:45,103 --> 01:12:46,827
the sweeps month mentality.

1734
01:12:46,931 --> 01:12:50,206
Like, what can we do to get
even more people watching.

1735
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:52,620
You have a wedding.
You have a kidnapping.

1736
01:12:52,724 --> 01:12:54,206
You have an evil twin.

1737
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:56,793
And prime time stole
from daytime.

1738
01:12:56,896 --> 01:12:59,655
Reporter: After "Dallas" proved
that Ewing Oil was better

1739
01:12:59,758 --> 01:13:01,689
than real oil for CBS,

1740
01:13:01,793 --> 01:13:03,862
the networks rushed
to give the public more.

1741
01:13:03,965 --> 01:13:06,965
Troy: The great prime-time
soap operas of the 1980s.

1742
01:13:07,068 --> 01:13:10,517
"Dallas," "Dynasty."
They're all about excess.

1743
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:12,551
This is about being
over the top,

1744
01:13:12,655 --> 01:13:14,172
stabbing each other in the back,

1745
01:13:14,275 --> 01:13:17,137
going for the gusto,
and having fun.

1746
01:13:17,241 --> 01:13:21,103
I know what's wrong with you.
The empty armed Madonna.

1747
01:13:21,206 --> 01:13:23,655
Mourning the baby
that she couldn't have

1748
01:13:23,758 --> 01:13:26,862
and the baby that she
almost got to adopt.

1749
01:13:26,965 --> 01:13:28,344
That is it, isn't it?

1750
01:13:28,448 --> 01:13:31,793
Oh, you miserable bitch!

1751
01:13:36,448 --> 01:13:38,482
Yost: There was a bigness
to the stories.

1752
01:13:38,586 --> 01:13:40,517
And that they could afford
to do on a network,

1753
01:13:40,620 --> 01:13:41,862
if you're doing one episode
a week.

1754
01:13:41,965 --> 01:13:43,344
Now you can't do that
if you're doing five episodes

1755
01:13:43,448 --> 01:13:45,689
a week for a daytime show.

1756
01:13:45,793 --> 01:13:49,344
So just the production value
gave it that pizzazz.

1757
01:13:49,448 --> 01:13:52,931
Reporter: If you can't have it,
watch other people with it.

1758
01:13:53,034 --> 01:13:55,517
Or so say the three networks
who are programming

1759
01:13:55,620 --> 01:13:57,862
nearly 40%
of their prime-time fare

1760
01:13:57,965 --> 01:13:59,620
with series about the very rich.

1761
01:13:59,724 --> 01:14:02,344
And the public is devouring it
at such a rate

1762
01:14:02,448 --> 01:14:05,275
that make believe money
has become ratings gold.

1763
01:14:05,379 --> 01:14:06,689
[ Screams ]

1764
01:14:06,793 --> 01:14:08,689
Hart: The characters
were larger than life.

1765
01:14:08,793 --> 01:14:12,620
They were more evil and more
cunning and manipulative.

1766
01:14:12,724 --> 01:14:15,241
And more gorgeous.
I mean, really.

1767
01:14:15,344 --> 01:14:17,413
Look at the way
they were dressed.

1768
01:14:17,517 --> 01:14:20,586
Look at the way they lived.
Everything, it was fascinating.

1769
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:21,862
- Alexis?
- Yes.

1770
01:14:21,965 --> 01:14:24,206
I didn't thank you
for your present.

1771
01:14:25,172 --> 01:14:27,482
[ Gasps ]

1772
01:14:27,586 --> 01:14:31,206
[ Sighs ]

1773
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:34,862
It's he you should
slap, dear, not I.

1774
01:14:34,965 --> 01:14:36,862
Julie Brown: We all wanted
to live like, you know,

1775
01:14:36,965 --> 01:14:39,000
we were on "Dynasty,"
like the Carringtons.

1776
01:14:39,103 --> 01:14:41,827
And it all just ended up
being a wonderful picture

1777
01:14:41,931 --> 01:14:44,551
of fun and debauchery.

1778
01:14:44,655 --> 01:14:47,413
Yost: Greed was encouraged
in the '80s.

1779
01:14:47,517 --> 01:14:51,793
There was a sense of conspicuous
consumption as being okay.

1780
01:14:51,896 --> 01:14:53,448
And those shows
kind of exploited that.

1781
01:14:53,551 --> 01:14:55,931
Catherine Mann: Prime-time
families like the Carringtons

1782
01:14:56,034 --> 01:14:58,793
who live here in luxury
on the "Dynasty" sound stage

1783
01:14:58,896 --> 01:15:01,586
are not the only rich folk
on TV.

1784
01:15:01,689 --> 01:15:03,068
In the last five years,

1785
01:15:03,172 --> 01:15:06,172
more than half of all new shows
have featured the wealthy.

1786
01:15:06,275 --> 01:15:08,689
10 years ago,
that figure was zero.

1787
01:15:08,793 --> 01:15:11,620
There was an accident.
Your father's dead.

1788
01:15:12,827 --> 01:15:15,068
Connelly:
Falcon Crest was a wine family.

1789
01:15:15,172 --> 01:15:16,413
There's Lorenzo Lamas

1790
01:15:16,517 --> 01:15:18,724
and there's Ronald Reagan's
first wife,

1791
01:15:18,827 --> 01:15:21,241
Jane Wyman is on that show.

1792
01:15:21,344 --> 01:15:22,896
Emma is pregnant.

1793
01:15:24,655 --> 01:15:26,103
I know a doctor who can
take care of it right away.

1794
01:15:26,206 --> 01:15:28,310
That will never happen.

1795
01:15:28,413 --> 01:15:31,758
All of those shows were,
"Oh, my God, what's next?

1796
01:15:31,862 --> 01:15:34,517
What's gonna happen with that?
He can't get away with that."

1797
01:15:34,620 --> 01:15:36,344
And then you tune in.
It was appointment television.

1798
01:15:36,448 --> 01:15:38,517
Announcer: What will
become of the missing twins

1799
01:15:38,620 --> 01:15:39,793
on Knots Landing?

1800
01:15:39,896 --> 01:15:40,758
What?

1801
01:15:40,862 --> 01:15:42,689
Connelly:
They all had spin-offs.

1802
01:15:42,793 --> 01:15:44,620
"Dallas" had the spin-off
"Knots Landing."

1803
01:15:44,724 --> 01:15:47,517
"The Colbys" was the spin-off
for "Dynasty."

1804
01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:49,931
They were seeing how much
they could max this stuff out.

1805
01:15:50,034 --> 01:15:51,172
'Cause it was really successful.

1806
01:15:51,275 --> 01:15:53,241
Where's your son Miles?

1807
01:15:53,344 --> 01:15:55,068
Isn't he going to be a part
of this venture,

1808
01:15:55,172 --> 01:15:57,724
or is he just playing polo
as usual?

1809
01:15:57,827 --> 01:15:59,068
[ Laughter ]

1810
01:15:59,172 --> 01:16:01,000
The Colbys can always find room
for another trophy.

1811
01:16:01,103 --> 01:16:02,448
[ Laughter ]

1812
01:16:02,551 --> 01:16:05,034
Corday: You had these people
fighting over oil

1813
01:16:05,137 --> 01:16:09,517
and mansions and it was fantasy,

1814
01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:13,827
but in a kind of
so over the top way

1815
01:16:13,931 --> 01:16:15,620
that it was fun.

1816
01:16:15,724 --> 01:16:19,413
There's nothing devious
about using your femininity.

1817
01:16:19,517 --> 01:16:21,689
Bianculli:
These shows took themselves

1818
01:16:21,793 --> 01:16:24,965
so unseriously
that they were camp.

1819
01:16:25,068 --> 01:16:27,586
But that was okay
with the central audience

1820
01:16:27,689 --> 01:16:28,896
that was loving them.

1821
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:29,965
Duffy: It was entertainment.

1822
01:16:30,068 --> 01:16:31,724
We weren't trying to do
high drama.

1823
01:16:31,827 --> 01:16:33,620
We were there to entertain.
We were glossy.

1824
01:16:33,724 --> 01:16:35,310
There was no getting around it.

1825
01:16:35,413 --> 01:16:37,448
We knew what we were there for
and we did it as best we could.

1826
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:49,931
Gumbel: Australia's most
important export

1827
01:16:50,034 --> 01:16:53,172
may be neither its animals
nor its beer nor its films.

1828
01:16:53,275 --> 01:16:55,068
Could in fact be
one Rupert Murdoch.

1829
01:16:55,172 --> 01:16:57,827
55-year-old Mr. Murdoch
is in the midst of building

1830
01:16:57,931 --> 01:17:01,310
what <i>Forbes</i> magazine says is
the most extensive media empire

1831
01:17:01,413 --> 01:17:02,655
in history.

1832
01:17:02,758 --> 01:17:04,586
Heilemann: A huge development
in television.

1833
01:17:04,689 --> 01:17:06,827
The gemini
of the three broadcast networks

1834
01:17:06,931 --> 01:17:08,896
was presumed to be complete
and Rupert Murdoch

1835
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,620
having disrupted the newspaper
business in Australia,

1836
01:17:11,724 --> 01:17:13,000
the television business
in Britain.

1837
01:17:13,103 --> 01:17:14,413
He arrives in America
and basically says,

1838
01:17:14,517 --> 01:17:15,620
I don't really see why
there should only be

1839
01:17:15,724 --> 01:17:16,448
three broadcast networks.

1840
01:17:16,551 --> 01:17:17,448
I'm gonna make another one.

1841
01:17:17,551 --> 01:17:19,724
This was a big, bold bet.

1842
01:17:19,827 --> 01:17:21,482
Jensen: Meantime,
he will have to become

1843
01:17:21,586 --> 01:17:24,896
an American citizen if he
is to own TV stations here.

1844
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,448
Something Murdoch says
he is willing to do.

1845
01:17:27,551 --> 01:17:29,172
Gumbel: There are some people
who are saying

1846
01:17:29,275 --> 01:17:33,103
that it'll take you 20 years
to get your Fox network

1847
01:17:33,206 --> 01:17:34,724
on a par with the big three.

1848
01:17:34,827 --> 01:17:36,275
Are you prepared
to wait that long?

1849
01:17:36,379 --> 01:17:38,413
Sure, I certainly intend
to live that long.

1850
01:17:38,517 --> 01:17:40,655
But I don't believe
in the 20 years.

1851
01:17:40,758 --> 01:17:43,000
Auletta:
The reaction to Murdoch's idea

1852
01:17:43,103 --> 01:17:46,034
for a fourth network was similar
to the reaction at Ted Turner

1853
01:17:46,137 --> 01:17:48,172
starting CNN.
It's ridiculous, you know.

1854
01:17:48,275 --> 01:17:50,586
What does he know
about television?

1855
01:17:50,689 --> 01:17:53,137
We don't think of ourselves
as ABC, CBS or NBC.

1856
01:17:53,241 --> 01:17:54,413
We don't have to reach everyone.

1857
01:17:54,517 --> 01:17:56,793
There's no question
we have an inferior lineup

1858
01:17:56,896 --> 01:17:58,379
of stations to our counterparts.

1859
01:17:58,482 --> 01:17:59,793
That means we'll all have
to work harder

1860
01:17:59,896 --> 01:18:02,137
to get our-our message across
and get shows sampled.

1861
01:18:02,241 --> 01:18:05,931
Auletta: They had an idea that,
"In order to succeed

1862
01:18:06,034 --> 01:18:08,068
we have to differentiate
ourselves from the networks.

1863
01:18:08,172 --> 01:18:10,344
We have to do things
they would not do."

1864
01:18:10,448 --> 01:18:12,827
Fox started throwing anything
against the wall,

1865
01:18:12,931 --> 01:18:14,310
not knowing what was gonna go.

1866
01:18:14,413 --> 01:18:17,862
First shows were things like
"21 Jump Street"...

1867
01:18:17,965 --> 01:18:20,310
What exactly are we
looking for here?

1868
01:18:20,413 --> 01:18:21,827
Bianculli: ...Joan Rivers
in terms of late night...

1869
01:18:21,931 --> 01:18:24,620
We have been banned in Boston,
which I think is wonderful.

1870
01:18:24,724 --> 01:18:28,448
WXNE, so pick a finger WXNE.

1871
01:18:28,551 --> 01:18:30,275
Bianculli:
...and "The Tracey Ullman Show."

1872
01:18:30,379 --> 01:18:33,379
Oh, Polly!

1873
01:18:33,482 --> 01:18:35,758
Levine: It was a sketch show

1874
01:18:35,862 --> 01:18:40,758
and they needed something
to go between the sketches.

1875
01:18:40,862 --> 01:18:42,482
And again, they were looking
for something different.

1876
01:18:42,586 --> 01:18:44,482
I gotta have those candy bars.

1877
01:18:44,586 --> 01:18:47,241
You better not be thinking
of stealing those candy bars.

1878
01:18:47,344 --> 01:18:48,413
That's it!

1879
01:18:48,517 --> 01:18:52,206
"The Simpsons"
would never have come along

1880
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:55,137
had it not been for
"The Tracey Ullman Show."

1881
01:18:55,241 --> 01:18:58,068
Ultimately, crime hurts
the criminal.

1882
01:18:58,172 --> 01:19:01,379
But that's not true Mom.
I gotta free ride home didn't I?

1883
01:19:01,482 --> 01:19:02,241
Bart!

1884
01:19:02,344 --> 01:19:04,241
Levine: Fox was thrilled

1885
01:19:04,344 --> 01:19:06,068
that it was different.

1886
01:19:06,172 --> 01:19:07,655
They said, sure,
be experimental.

1887
01:19:07,758 --> 01:19:08,793
Do whatever you want.

1888
01:19:08,896 --> 01:19:10,655
We're just happy to have
a show on the air.

1889
01:19:10,758 --> 01:19:13,172
[ Laughter ]

1890
01:19:13,275 --> 01:19:14,724
I'm home!

1891
01:19:14,827 --> 01:19:15,620
Bianculli:
"Married With Children"

1892
01:19:15,724 --> 01:19:17,827
was their first big, big hit

1893
01:19:17,931 --> 01:19:20,758
in that way that said
if all the rest of television

1894
01:19:20,862 --> 01:19:23,586
is going this way,
we're going that way.

1895
01:19:23,689 --> 01:19:26,862
Bud, Kelly, you want to come
down and help me in the kitchen?

1896
01:19:26,965 --> 01:19:27,896
[ Doors slam ]

1897
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,931
[ Chuckles ]

1898
01:19:31,034 --> 01:19:34,724
There, that should buy us
about 10 minutes.

1899
01:19:34,827 --> 01:19:38,413
7 more than we'll need.
[ Chuckles ]

1900
01:19:38,517 --> 01:19:40,448
Mandabach: The title of
"Married With Children"

1901
01:19:40,551 --> 01:19:42,689
on the script
was "Not The Cosby Show."

1902
01:19:42,793 --> 01:19:45,275
How great. I mean, you know,
you have to love that.

1903
01:19:45,379 --> 01:19:48,137
They just were taking the piss
out of American families.

1904
01:19:48,241 --> 01:19:49,551
Fun, great fun.

1905
01:19:49,655 --> 01:19:50,965
Hurry up Bud.

1906
01:19:51,068 --> 01:19:52,206
Never wanted to get married,
I'm married.

1907
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:53,551
Never wanted to have kids,
I got two of them.

1908
01:19:53,655 --> 01:19:55,448
How the hell did this happen?

1909
01:19:55,551 --> 01:19:58,448
The Bundys were almost like
a purposeful reaction

1910
01:19:58,551 --> 01:20:00,724
to the perfection
of the Huxtables.

1911
01:20:00,827 --> 01:20:01,931
And it was funny because,
you know,

1912
01:20:02,034 --> 01:20:04,275
you had this wonderful,
perfect black family

1913
01:20:04,379 --> 01:20:06,275
and these horrible,
miserable white people.

1914
01:20:06,379 --> 01:20:07,931
And each show worked
on its own terms

1915
01:20:08,034 --> 01:20:10,379
because you could find things
to relate to in both.

1916
01:20:10,482 --> 01:20:11,758
Howdy neighbor.

1917
01:20:11,862 --> 01:20:12,758
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1918
01:20:12,862 --> 01:20:14,275
[ Whispers ]
I hate these people.

1919
01:20:14,379 --> 01:20:15,758
Why don't we sit down?

1920
01:20:15,862 --> 01:20:18,862
There was a lot of fun to be had
in, you know, Al and Peg Bundy.

1921
01:20:18,965 --> 01:20:22,448
Bianculli: After Fox introduces
"Married With Children,"

1922
01:20:22,551 --> 01:20:25,448
it does very, very well,
then back on ABC,

1923
01:20:25,551 --> 01:20:28,586
they came up with another
major hit, "Roseanne."

1924
01:20:28,689 --> 01:20:30,241
You think this is
a magic kingdom

1925
01:20:30,344 --> 01:20:32,241
where you just sit up here
on your throne.

1926
01:20:32,344 --> 01:20:33,310
Oh yeah?

1927
01:20:33,413 --> 01:20:34,689
Yeah! And you think
everything gets done

1928
01:20:34,793 --> 01:20:36,172
by some wonderful wizard.

1929
01:20:36,275 --> 01:20:38,137
Oh, poof,
the laundry's folded.

1930
01:20:38,241 --> 01:20:39,689
Poof,
dinner's on the table.

1931
01:20:39,793 --> 01:20:42,137
You want me to fix dinner?
I'll fix dinner.

1932
01:20:42,241 --> 01:20:43,448
I'm fixing dinner!

1933
01:20:43,551 --> 01:20:48,137
Oh, but, honey, you just
fixed dinner three years ago.

1934
01:20:48,241 --> 01:20:49,965
Bianculli:
Typical American families

1935
01:20:50,068 --> 01:20:52,344
weren't on television
for the longest time.

1936
01:20:52,448 --> 01:20:54,724
The Donna Reed days, you know,
the early days,

1937
01:20:54,827 --> 01:20:57,862
the "Father Knows Best," hardly
anybody really lived like that.

1938
01:20:57,965 --> 01:21:00,620
That was the way advertisers
wanted you to live.

1939
01:21:00,724 --> 01:21:02,827
I know what just might
make me feel better.

1940
01:21:02,931 --> 01:21:05,034
Me too, but I bet
it's a different list

1941
01:21:05,137 --> 01:21:06,206
than what you got.

1942
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:08,827
The ideal situation
is if you can subvert

1943
01:21:08,931 --> 01:21:11,862
whatever common stuff
is said about families

1944
01:21:11,965 --> 01:21:13,103
and about parenting.

1945
01:21:13,206 --> 01:21:15,241
What's in this, lead?

1946
01:21:15,344 --> 01:21:17,724
Oh, I got you kids
new leg irons.

1947
01:21:17,827 --> 01:21:18,758
[ Cackles ]

1948
01:21:18,862 --> 01:21:21,793
Her loudness
and her unfilteredness

1949
01:21:21,896 --> 01:21:23,758
were key to why we liked her.

1950
01:21:23,862 --> 01:21:25,827
She was saying stuff
about working class people,

1951
01:21:25,931 --> 01:21:28,068
she was saying stuff
about men and women.

1952
01:21:28,172 --> 01:21:30,862
So it was about marriage
and about raising kids

1953
01:21:30,965 --> 01:21:32,275
and about how hard it is.

1954
01:21:32,379 --> 01:21:35,068
Oh, great, I'm just gonna
look like a freak, that's all.

1955
01:21:35,172 --> 01:21:35,896
What else is new?

1956
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,551
Shut up!

1957
01:21:37,655 --> 01:21:40,620
This is why some animals
eat their young.

1958
01:21:40,724 --> 01:21:45,172
TV in the '80s was a big decade
for the evolution of comedy,

1959
01:21:45,275 --> 01:21:47,103
for the evolution of drama.

1960
01:21:47,206 --> 01:21:49,137
It just pushed everything forward.

1961
01:21:49,241 --> 01:21:50,793
Shriver: Do you think perhaps
this generation

1962
01:21:50,896 --> 01:21:53,344
are paying more attention
to the dialogue,

1963
01:21:53,448 --> 01:21:56,000
to the relationships
that they see on television

1964
01:21:56,103 --> 01:21:57,689
than in years previous?

1965
01:21:57,793 --> 01:22:00,896
Well, clearly the people
that are watching our shows are.

1966
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,827
And "Thirtysomething"

1967
01:22:03,931 --> 01:22:06,724
and "Cheers"
and "St. Elsewhere."

1968
01:22:06,827 --> 01:22:09,965
These are shows
that are smartly written.

1969
01:22:10,068 --> 01:22:12,344
It's their words
that define them.

1970
01:22:12,448 --> 01:22:15,000
And I think that's
what people like.

1971
01:22:15,103 --> 01:22:16,689
Furillo:
What we're supposed to be here

1972
01:22:16,793 --> 01:22:18,586
is the one thing
people can trust.

1973
01:22:18,689 --> 01:22:21,172
If you go out there
like a bunch of night riders,

1974
01:22:21,275 --> 01:22:24,793
what the hell are you but just
another vicious street gang?

1975
01:22:24,896 --> 01:22:27,724
That decade spawned
an extraordinary number

1976
01:22:27,827 --> 01:22:32,931
of shows that really carved out
a unique niche for themselves.

1977
01:22:33,034 --> 01:22:36,517
We began to turn television
into an art form.

1978
01:22:36,620 --> 01:22:39,689
And for the first time,
people were proud to say,

1979
01:22:39,793 --> 01:22:41,689
"I write for television."

1980
01:22:41,793 --> 01:22:45,448
Yost: Up until that point,
television was second class.

1981
01:22:45,551 --> 01:22:48,172
In the '80s,
it was something else entirely

1982
01:22:48,275 --> 01:22:50,931
and it was new and it was
kind of interesting.

1983
01:22:51,034 --> 01:22:53,448
Connelly:
It's like everyone in the '80s

1984
01:22:53,551 --> 01:22:55,241
starts to want to tell
their stories.

1985
01:22:55,344 --> 01:22:57,758
That's what really changes things.

1986
01:22:57,862 --> 01:23:00,827
Shales: The unexpected
was more welcome in the '80s.

1987
01:23:00,931 --> 01:23:03,931
Predictability lost its cache.

1988
01:23:04,034 --> 01:23:08,275
Television has an impact
on every era, every decade.

1989
01:23:08,379 --> 01:23:11,448
Television still shapes
the thinking of America like

1990
01:23:11,551 --> 01:23:12,793
no other element
in our country.

1991
01:23:12,896 --> 01:23:15,965
Sometimes for the better,
sometimes for the worse.

1992
01:23:16,068 --> 01:23:20,379
Duffy: It gave rise to people
pursuing artistic content

1993
01:23:20,482 --> 01:23:24,379
in a way that I think has raised
the bar in television production

1994
01:23:24,482 --> 01:23:25,793
exponentially.

1995
01:23:25,896 --> 01:23:27,965
I love you guys!

1996
01:23:28,068 --> 01:23:30,275
Bianculli: There's a shift
in the '80s from just wanting

1997
01:23:30,379 --> 01:23:33,344
to placate the audience
to wanting to please

1998
01:23:33,448 --> 01:23:34,827
and challenge the audience.

1999
01:23:34,931 --> 01:23:36,586
And that's the decade
when it happened.

2000
01:23:36,689 --> 01:23:39,344
We had one hell of a run.
Didn't we partner?

2001
01:23:39,448 --> 01:23:41,206
Yeah. We sure did, sonny.

2002
01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:43,344
I'm gonna miss you man.

2003
01:23:43,448 --> 01:23:46,310
I'm gonna miss you,
too, sonny.

2004
01:23:46,413 --> 01:23:50,551
Can I give you a ride
to the airport?

2005
01:23:50,655 --> 01:23:51,655
Why not?

2006
01:23:51,758 --> 01:23:54,793
♪