1 00:00:06,962 --> 00:00:08,529 Morgan Freeman: The blues were born right here in 2 00:00:08,530 --> 00:00:10,231 the Mississippi delta. 3 00:00:10,232 --> 00:00:15,670 John Lee hooker, Muddy Waters, BB King, Jessie Mae Hemphill, 4 00:00:15,671 --> 00:00:19,874 I can't see 'em anymore, but their spirit lives on, 5 00:00:19,875 --> 00:00:21,977 right here. 6 00:00:35,758 --> 00:00:38,326 I can lose myself in music. 7 00:00:38,327 --> 00:00:39,961 Hear it? 8 00:00:39,962 --> 00:00:45,299 I feel it, and it transports me to another time and place. 9 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:49,070 Some would call it a religious experience. 10 00:00:49,071 --> 00:00:52,408 Can't say that I disagree. 11 00:00:54,977 --> 00:00:57,311 Makes me think of the all the ways people around the world 12 00:00:57,312 --> 00:01:00,716 connect to god. 13 00:01:02,117 --> 00:01:05,887 Moses saw god in a bush. 14 00:01:05,888 --> 00:01:10,224 Buddha found enlightenment under a tree. 15 00:01:10,225 --> 00:01:14,997 Muhammad experienced Allah on a mountain. 16 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:18,332 Is there some universal concept of god that 17 00:01:18,333 --> 00:01:21,737 all religions share? 18 00:01:23,472 --> 00:01:27,041 Or, is god fundamentally different to people of 19 00:01:27,042 --> 00:01:30,345 different faiths? 20 00:01:35,584 --> 00:01:40,522 I'm setting out to discover who god is. 21 00:01:43,125 --> 00:01:47,028 Joel osteen: God wants to be your best friend. 22 00:01:47,029 --> 00:01:48,996 Morgan Freeman: To find out how believers around 23 00:01:48,997 --> 00:01:51,132 the world see the divine. 24 00:01:51,133 --> 00:01:54,435 Woman: The holy people are around us, right now. 25 00:01:54,436 --> 00:01:57,271 Morgan Freeman: I'll explore how the identity of god 26 00:01:57,272 --> 00:01:59,474 has changed over the millennia. 27 00:01:59,475 --> 00:02:01,509 Woman 2: He thought that there were too many gods, 28 00:02:01,510 --> 00:02:05,646 and not enough focus was on him. 29 00:02:05,647 --> 00:02:09,485 Morgan Freeman: I'll learn how many gods merged into one. 30 00:02:09,785 --> 00:02:12,553 Man: It's a single force that gives order into 31 00:02:12,554 --> 00:02:14,455 our whole world. 32 00:02:14,456 --> 00:02:16,257 Morgan Freeman: And, I'll search for the 33 00:02:16,258 --> 00:02:17,625 presence of god... 34 00:02:17,626 --> 00:02:20,228 So, you're looking for physical manifestations of god? 35 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:21,462 Dr. Andy newberg: Yes. 36 00:02:21,463 --> 00:02:24,299 Morgan Freeman: Inside my brain. 37 00:02:36,045 --> 00:02:39,414 I grew up with the Christian concept of god, a single, 38 00:02:39,415 --> 00:02:43,584 divine being who created and governs the universe. 39 00:02:43,585 --> 00:02:47,388 Of Jesus as god's earthly incarnation. 40 00:02:47,389 --> 00:02:52,461 I know that's not the way everyone sees the divine. 41 00:02:52,828 --> 00:02:57,199 I want to know how other religions see god. 42 00:02:59,668 --> 00:03:03,205 So, I'm going to India. 43 00:03:08,410 --> 00:03:13,315 To hindus, there's not one god, there are millions. 44 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:20,221 Busy little thoroughfare. 45 00:03:20,222 --> 00:03:23,157 In the holy city of varanasi, I'm meeting historian, 46 00:03:23,158 --> 00:03:28,563 binda paranjape, to find out how hindus see their gods. 47 00:03:28,564 --> 00:03:32,734 Bhinda: At every corner of the Lane, and just you'll see 48 00:03:32,735 --> 00:03:35,336 anywhere, and you'll see a shrine. 49 00:03:35,337 --> 00:03:39,407 And no corner they can leave without having a god there. 50 00:03:39,408 --> 00:03:42,443 So like, we have got this small little shrine here, 51 00:03:42,444 --> 00:03:45,747 and it has got that elephant headed god, ganesha. 52 00:03:45,748 --> 00:03:47,215 Morgan Freeman: Ganesha? 53 00:03:47,216 --> 00:03:50,385 Bhinda: Yeah, it's a god who removes obstacles. 54 00:03:50,386 --> 00:03:51,452 Morgan Freeman: Removes obstacles? 55 00:03:51,453 --> 00:03:53,989 Bhinda: Yeah. 56 00:03:56,658 --> 00:04:00,027 Morgan Freeman: Hindu deities come in many forms. 57 00:04:00,028 --> 00:04:02,063 Some are male. 58 00:04:02,064 --> 00:04:03,831 Some female. 59 00:04:03,832 --> 00:04:06,534 Some are part human, part animal. 60 00:04:06,535 --> 00:04:09,871 Each one has its specific powers. 61 00:04:09,872 --> 00:04:12,774 Bhinda: So, she's the goddess of disease. 62 00:04:12,775 --> 00:04:13,841 So we... 63 00:04:13,842 --> 00:04:15,309 Morgan Freeman: Disease? 64 00:04:15,310 --> 00:04:17,145 Bhinda: Yeah, so when you're diseased, 65 00:04:17,146 --> 00:04:20,048 your body gets inflamed, then you invoke her and she 66 00:04:20,049 --> 00:04:23,618 sends the cool breeze, and the body gets cool. 67 00:04:23,619 --> 00:04:27,321 Morgan Freeman: All right, here's a question for you. 68 00:04:27,322 --> 00:04:31,092 You've got a choice of how many? 69 00:04:31,093 --> 00:04:32,393 Bhinda: Millions of them. 70 00:04:32,394 --> 00:04:34,562 Morgan Freeman: Millions of gods. 71 00:04:34,563 --> 00:04:35,897 How do you choose? 72 00:04:35,898 --> 00:04:37,832 Bhinda: Usually, it's the family. 73 00:04:37,833 --> 00:04:41,302 The family, each family has got one family deity, 74 00:04:41,303 --> 00:04:43,871 and that is passed on to the next generation. 75 00:04:43,872 --> 00:04:47,508 Or, sometimes, in the times of distress, 76 00:04:47,509 --> 00:04:50,378 one goes to a god and say, or goddess, that, 77 00:04:50,379 --> 00:04:53,815 "please take me out of this difficult time, 78 00:04:53,816 --> 00:04:56,718 and forever I'll worship you as my personal god, 79 00:04:56,719 --> 00:04:58,486 or goddess." 80 00:04:58,487 --> 00:05:00,521 Morgan Freeman: I'm interested in finding out how 81 00:05:00,522 --> 00:05:03,891 these statues become vessels for divine beings, 82 00:05:03,892 --> 00:05:07,730 how hindus connect to their gods. 83 00:05:08,831 --> 00:05:13,201 So, binda is taking me to an intimate prayer ritual. 84 00:05:13,202 --> 00:05:16,738  [Group chanting]. 85 00:05:16,739 --> 00:05:19,273 Bhinda: Yeah, can you hear these chants, 86 00:05:19,274 --> 00:05:20,341 which are going on? 87 00:05:20,342 --> 00:05:21,709 Morgan Freeman: Uh-hm, yeah. 88 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:23,478 Bhinda: They're chanting the chants for 89 00:05:23,479 --> 00:05:25,713 invoking the goddess. 90 00:05:25,714 --> 00:05:29,318 So, now we are going to be blessed. 91 00:05:32,855 --> 00:05:37,625  [Group chanting]. 92 00:05:37,626 --> 00:05:39,660 Morgan Freeman: This prayer ceremony is dedicated 93 00:05:39,661 --> 00:05:42,697 to the goddess, lalitha. 94 00:05:42,698 --> 00:05:45,900  [Group chanting]. 95 00:05:45,901 --> 00:05:49,137 And so, this is lalitha here, 96 00:05:49,138 --> 00:05:51,572 this is her physical representation? 97 00:05:51,573 --> 00:05:52,940 What kind of god is she? 98 00:05:52,941 --> 00:05:57,211 Bhinda: She was created to kill a demon, 99 00:05:57,212 --> 00:05:59,714 and that is the power of the virgin, 100 00:05:59,715 --> 00:06:01,883 this 16 year old woman. 101 00:06:01,884 --> 00:06:03,251 Morgan Freeman: She's a virgin? 102 00:06:03,252 --> 00:06:05,953 Bhinda: Yeah, so all the potential is still in her, 103 00:06:05,954 --> 00:06:09,023 so she has got the highest form of energy in her. 104 00:06:09,024 --> 00:06:14,128 And she gives that power to others to fight 105 00:06:14,129 --> 00:06:16,431 against their demon. 106 00:06:16,432 --> 00:06:22,404  [Group chanting]. 107 00:06:24,773 --> 00:06:27,241 So, what they're doing is that they're invoking the 108 00:06:27,242 --> 00:06:31,446 goddess' one thousand names and with every name, 109 00:06:31,447 --> 00:06:35,984 they will offer her the flowers. 110 00:06:37,986 --> 00:06:42,390 So, anything, any syllable that we'll pronounced goes 111 00:06:42,391 --> 00:06:45,760 to the goddess so, we're saying these thousand words. 112 00:06:45,761 --> 00:06:48,529 You have almost got all the possible syllables that 113 00:06:48,530 --> 00:06:50,298 you could have uttered. 114 00:06:50,299 --> 00:06:51,833 Morgan Freeman: So you can invoke her with just 115 00:06:51,834 --> 00:06:53,201 about any syllable. 116 00:06:53,202 --> 00:06:55,303 Bhinda: The goddess is any form a speech, 117 00:06:55,304 --> 00:06:58,239 the human sound, and the world is supposed 118 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,977 to have been created out of these rhythms. 119 00:07:02,978 --> 00:07:04,645 Morgan Freeman: For her devotees, 120 00:07:04,646 --> 00:07:09,751 lalitha exists in the rhythmic energy of their chanting. 121 00:07:09,752 --> 00:07:13,756 A divine energy that powers their lives. 122 00:07:13,989 --> 00:07:16,224 Bhinda: Anyway, the goddess has blessed you, 123 00:07:16,225 --> 00:07:19,961 that she has invited here, believe me. 124 00:07:19,962 --> 00:07:23,365 Morgan Freeman: I believe you. 125 00:07:58,033 --> 00:08:00,368 Seeing this ceremony really helps me understand 126 00:08:00,369 --> 00:08:03,104 what god means to hindus. 127 00:08:03,105 --> 00:08:05,706 Behind all the gods, binda tells me, 128 00:08:05,707 --> 00:08:09,310 there is a single divine energy that believers 129 00:08:09,311 --> 00:08:11,312 seek to tap into. 130 00:08:11,313 --> 00:08:13,781 Bhinda: They say that it's just a principle, 131 00:08:13,782 --> 00:08:17,719 it's like pure energy form, which is neither a male 132 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,855 or a female, or having any name. 133 00:08:20,856 --> 00:08:23,925 So they are just given one name, brahman. 134 00:08:23,926 --> 00:08:26,327 Morgan Freeman: So, in the western church, 135 00:08:26,328 --> 00:08:32,701 in christianity, judaism, even islam, there is one god, 136 00:08:33,035 --> 00:08:35,103 it's just, it's pure energy. 137 00:08:35,104 --> 00:08:37,371 There is no name you could put to him. 138 00:08:37,372 --> 00:08:39,073 There's no face you can put to him. 139 00:08:39,074 --> 00:08:40,641 There's nothing you can touch. 140 00:08:40,642 --> 00:08:42,276 Can we make a comparison there? 141 00:08:42,277 --> 00:08:44,846 Bhinda: Yeah, it's like the tree having the trunk, 142 00:08:44,847 --> 00:08:48,216 and then the branches and leaves also. 143 00:08:48,217 --> 00:08:51,219 Morgan Freeman: We have the shade tree of brahma, right? 144 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:52,854 Okay. 145 00:08:52,855 --> 00:08:54,489 Bhinda: Yeah, so beautiful, 146 00:08:54,490 --> 00:08:56,958 that's really nicely described. 147 00:08:56,959 --> 00:08:58,860 Morgan Freeman: Thank you, all right, how about some lunch? 148 00:08:58,861 --> 00:09:00,027 You game for that? 149 00:09:00,028 --> 00:09:02,330 Bhinda: Right, and we can invoke gods for 150 00:09:02,331 --> 00:09:03,598 giving us good lunch. 151 00:09:03,599 --> 00:09:06,068  [Laughs]. 152 00:09:17,713 --> 00:09:20,581 Morgan Freeman: I like the way believers here find gods 153 00:09:20,582 --> 00:09:24,352 that best suit their own beliefs. 154 00:09:24,353 --> 00:09:26,921 It's like a spiritual fingerprint, 155 00:09:26,922 --> 00:09:30,224 unique to each person. 156 00:09:30,225 --> 00:09:34,062 It's unlike the monotheism of the west. 157 00:09:34,063 --> 00:09:38,767 But, maybe that's only on the surface. 158 00:09:43,605 --> 00:09:45,239 On the surface, 159 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,110 hinduism looks like a religion of many gods. 160 00:09:49,111 --> 00:09:51,045 But underneath the surface, 161 00:09:51,046 --> 00:09:54,248 there is a single divine energy. 162 00:09:54,249 --> 00:09:59,688 So, why do some cultures see many gods and some only one? 163 00:10:00,456 --> 00:10:03,591 Where did the idea of worshiping a single god 164 00:10:03,592 --> 00:10:06,494 first take root? 165 00:10:06,495 --> 00:10:08,764 Perhaps it began here, 166 00:10:10,432 --> 00:10:13,000 stonehenge, britain's iconic, 167 00:10:13,001 --> 00:10:16,104 5,000 year old monument. 168 00:10:16,105 --> 00:10:18,973 The culture that built stonehenge had to endure long, 169 00:10:18,974 --> 00:10:20,908 cold winters. 170 00:10:20,909 --> 00:10:24,412 Their survival depended on plentiful crops, 171 00:10:24,413 --> 00:10:27,882 so it would make sense to focus on the single source 172 00:10:27,883 --> 00:10:32,354 of energy that drove all of that, the sun. 173 00:10:35,524 --> 00:10:38,760 An archaeological team is uncovering new evidence that 174 00:10:38,761 --> 00:10:43,231 may reveal the beliefs of the people who once lived here. 175 00:10:43,232 --> 00:10:45,433 Vince gaffney: We're going to look at the ditch 176 00:10:45,434 --> 00:10:48,369 and the interior, here. 177 00:10:48,370 --> 00:10:51,773 Morgan Freeman: Vince gaffney and Paul garwood have been 178 00:10:51,774 --> 00:10:54,709 studying a giant, c-shaped enclosure, 179 00:10:54,710 --> 00:10:57,612 less than two miles away from stonehenge. 180 00:10:57,613 --> 00:11:00,748 The enclosure, called durrington walls, 181 00:11:00,749 --> 00:11:05,787 was built around 4,500 years ago and appears to be 182 00:11:05,788 --> 00:11:09,357 aligned so its opening faces the rising sun on the 183 00:11:09,358 --> 00:11:13,128 mid-winter's day. 184 00:11:15,697 --> 00:11:19,467 Paul garwood: This is a ground-penetrating radar device. 185 00:11:19,468 --> 00:11:21,836 Morgan Freeman: But what interests Vince and Paul is 186 00:11:21,837 --> 00:11:25,039 the remains of an older monument they found buried 187 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,240 underneath it. 188 00:11:26,241 --> 00:11:28,576 Vince gaffney: The radar located a series of 189 00:11:28,577 --> 00:11:30,511 very large features. 190 00:11:30,512 --> 00:11:33,181 Paul garwood: There's a long arc of stones, 191 00:11:33,182 --> 00:11:36,918 or large buried features underneath the bank. 192 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:39,087 Vince gaffney: So they've remained undetected, 193 00:11:39,088 --> 00:11:43,759 effectively, for several thousand years. 194 00:11:48,864 --> 00:11:51,299 Morgan Freeman: The hidden rocks are massive. 195 00:11:51,300 --> 00:11:54,402 Each of them as tall as two men. 196 00:11:54,403 --> 00:11:57,905 They also form part of a c-shaped monument, 197 00:11:57,906 --> 00:12:01,209 but the direction this c faces is different from the 198 00:12:01,210 --> 00:12:04,846 orientation of the mound that buries it. 199 00:12:04,847 --> 00:12:07,482 Vince gaffney: There was an earlier monument of a very 200 00:12:07,483 --> 00:12:11,119 different form on this site. 201 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,956 It was looking towards beacon hill and these dramatic line 202 00:12:14,957 --> 00:12:17,658 of hills to the east, which is a dominant, 203 00:12:17,659 --> 00:12:19,594 topographic feature in this area, 204 00:12:19,595 --> 00:12:23,097 and certainly must have had significance at the time. 205 00:12:23,098 --> 00:12:26,067 Morgan Freeman: Vince and Paul think the original monument 206 00:12:26,068 --> 00:12:29,237 may be older than stonehenge. 207 00:12:29,238 --> 00:12:32,740 They don't know what its alignment to the hills meant. 208 00:12:32,741 --> 00:12:35,777 Perhaps the hills were revered as divine, 209 00:12:35,778 --> 00:12:39,681 or were associated with ancestors. 210 00:12:39,982 --> 00:12:42,383 But after the ancient britons built the iconic 211 00:12:42,384 --> 00:12:45,621 stone circle at stonehenge... 212 00:12:50,092 --> 00:12:54,629 They demolished the old stones at durrington walls, 213 00:12:54,630 --> 00:12:57,198 and made a new mound, faced the same direction as 214 00:12:57,199 --> 00:13:01,670 stonehenge, toward the rising, mid-winter sun. 215 00:13:01,970 --> 00:13:03,671 Vince gaffney: They've been pushed over, 216 00:13:03,672 --> 00:13:05,973 and the bank of the later henge monument has actually 217 00:13:05,974 --> 00:13:08,810 been placed on top of them. 218 00:13:08,811 --> 00:13:11,746 It moved in its orientation. 219 00:13:11,747 --> 00:13:15,283 It's form changed, and presumably, to some extent, 220 00:13:15,284 --> 00:13:17,251 its function. 221 00:13:17,252 --> 00:13:20,021 Paul garwood: The creation of stonehenge itself, 222 00:13:20,022 --> 00:13:22,557 and the building of the new architecture, 223 00:13:22,558 --> 00:13:25,426 durrington walls, suggest a shift towards a greater 224 00:13:25,427 --> 00:13:28,930 emphasis on the sun as the main focus of worship 225 00:13:28,931 --> 00:13:32,633 and religious interest. 226 00:13:32,634 --> 00:13:35,203 The builders were trying to establish a very particular 227 00:13:35,204 --> 00:13:38,874 connection with summer. 228 00:13:42,444 --> 00:13:45,113 Morgan Freeman: The people of stonehenge may have been the 229 00:13:45,114 --> 00:13:49,517 first to worship the sun as a single, all-powerful god. 230 00:13:49,518 --> 00:13:54,422 But in focusing on the sun, i wonder if they lost something. 231 00:13:54,423 --> 00:13:57,058 When the gods were ancestors, 232 00:13:57,059 --> 00:14:00,094 or rivers, or mountains, 233 00:14:00,095 --> 00:14:02,597 they were much more accessible, 234 00:14:02,598 --> 00:14:06,033 easier to connect to, to speak to. 235 00:14:06,034 --> 00:14:10,072 How do you speak to a god that's so remote? 236 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:17,713 I hope to find the answer at my next destination, Egypt. 237 00:14:18,814 --> 00:14:22,383 More than a thousand years after stonehenge was built, 238 00:14:22,384 --> 00:14:27,289 an Egyptian man also decided to worship the sun. 239 00:14:32,961 --> 00:14:35,730 His idea was considered so dangerous, 240 00:14:35,731 --> 00:14:38,266 that his memory was nearly wiped from the face 241 00:14:38,267 --> 00:14:40,735 of the earth. 242 00:14:40,736 --> 00:14:42,336 Thank you very much. 243 00:14:42,337 --> 00:14:45,373 Today, just a few mementos of his life remain at 244 00:14:45,374 --> 00:14:48,309 the Cairo museum. 245 00:14:48,310 --> 00:14:49,544 Salima ikram: Hey! 246 00:14:49,545 --> 00:14:50,645 Morgan Freeman: Oh, there you are! 247 00:14:50,646 --> 00:14:51,846 Salima ikram: Hello. 248 00:14:51,847 --> 00:14:53,848 Morgan Freeman: Hello. 249 00:14:53,849 --> 00:14:57,151 Amid the remains of dozens of pharaohs, egyptologist, 250 00:14:57,152 --> 00:15:01,322 salima ikram is going to help me find one whose 251 00:15:01,323 --> 00:15:04,993 name is akhenaten. 252 00:15:11,433 --> 00:15:14,001 Salima ikram: There he is. 253 00:15:14,002 --> 00:15:15,470 Morgan Freeman: Akhenaten. 254 00:15:15,471 --> 00:15:18,740 Salima ikram: Yeah, he thought that there were too 255 00:15:18,741 --> 00:15:22,610 many gods and not enough focus was on him. 256 00:15:22,611 --> 00:15:25,747 "There were needs to be an important god, 257 00:15:25,748 --> 00:15:27,982 whom only I can channel." 258 00:15:27,983 --> 00:15:29,283 Morgan Freeman: So, he changed things. 259 00:15:29,284 --> 00:15:31,085 Salima ikram: Radically. 260 00:15:31,086 --> 00:15:33,721 He, basically, closed down most of the temples, said that, 261 00:15:33,722 --> 00:15:37,859 "there is a special god, the sun god, the aten," 262 00:15:37,860 --> 00:15:41,796 and that, "you can worship the aten, through me." 263 00:15:41,797 --> 00:15:43,664 Morgan Freeman: And that didn't go over too well 264 00:15:43,665 --> 00:15:45,032 with a few people? 265 00:15:45,033 --> 00:15:48,136 Salima ikram: No, no, that was not a very popular move, 266 00:15:48,137 --> 00:15:49,570 because, of course, 267 00:15:49,571 --> 00:15:54,676 all the priests of the other important gods were shut down. 268 00:15:57,379 --> 00:16:00,681 Morgan Freeman: Around the year 1350bc, 269 00:16:00,682 --> 00:16:05,319 akhenaten declared the sun would be Egypt's only god. 270 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,689 In doing so, he would found the first faith in recorded 271 00:16:08,690 --> 00:16:13,795 history with a single deity. 272 00:16:13,796 --> 00:16:17,433 But it would not last. 273 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,570 As soon as he died, the old priesthood struck back. 274 00:16:22,571 --> 00:16:25,106 Salima ikram: This piece has been hacked away, 275 00:16:25,107 --> 00:16:26,474 as you can tell. 276 00:16:26,475 --> 00:16:30,278 You can see how the name of the king is hacked out. 277 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:33,514 The name of the aten is also attacked. 278 00:16:33,515 --> 00:16:36,684 Everything there is chip, chip, chip, chip, chip, 279 00:16:36,685 --> 00:16:38,820 chip chip, chip, and it's gone away, because of... 280 00:16:38,821 --> 00:16:40,521 Morgan Freeman: Destroyed, they just destroyed 281 00:16:40,522 --> 00:16:41,689 his memories... 282 00:16:41,690 --> 00:16:43,658 The best they could. 283 00:16:43,659 --> 00:16:47,895 Akhenaten hoped his son would continue this legacy, 284 00:16:47,896 --> 00:16:50,031 but his son was only nine years old when he 285 00:16:50,032 --> 00:16:51,966 took the throne. 286 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:56,205 His name was, tutankhamun. 287 00:17:00,242 --> 00:17:04,913 Salima ikram: Here is the coffin of king tutankhamun. 288 00:17:07,416 --> 00:17:09,851 Morgan Freeman: The most famous pharaoh. 289 00:17:09,852 --> 00:17:11,452 Salima ikram: Absolutely. 290 00:17:11,453 --> 00:17:13,988 Morgan Freeman: But he took the throne at aged nine? 291 00:17:13,989 --> 00:17:15,623 Salima ikram: Nine to nineteen, 292 00:17:15,624 --> 00:17:17,158 only ten short years. 293 00:17:17,159 --> 00:17:19,293 Morgan Freeman: Ten short years? 294 00:17:19,294 --> 00:17:21,229 I would imagine that a nine-year-old taking the 295 00:17:21,230 --> 00:17:24,966 throne would be under the thumb of the old guys 296 00:17:24,967 --> 00:17:27,268 who would say, "look, we can't keep this up, 297 00:17:27,269 --> 00:17:29,337 we got to go back to what works." 298 00:17:29,338 --> 00:17:31,172 Salima ikram: Yeah, absolutely. 299 00:17:31,173 --> 00:17:34,909 He did what he was told, probably, and effectively, 300 00:17:34,910 --> 00:17:39,013 his reign sort of knocked out akhenaten's reign, 301 00:17:39,014 --> 00:17:42,683 and we have a return to the religion. 302 00:17:42,684 --> 00:17:44,719 Morgan Freeman: Right, to the gods. 303 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,122 Salima ikram: The old gods are back in full force. 304 00:17:48,123 --> 00:17:50,958 Morgan Freeman: Tutankhamun's priests erased 305 00:17:50,959 --> 00:17:54,295 akhenaten's monotheistic religion and tried to 306 00:17:54,296 --> 00:17:58,399 erase him from history. 307 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,168 Salima ikram: Here we go. 308 00:18:00,169 --> 00:18:03,304 This is akhenaten's sarcophagus. 309 00:18:03,305 --> 00:18:05,073 Morgan Freeman: This is his sarcophagus? 310 00:18:05,074 --> 00:18:06,541 Salima ikram: Or, what's left of it, 311 00:18:06,542 --> 00:18:08,076 because it's all smashed to pieces. 312 00:18:08,077 --> 00:18:10,545 Morgan Freeman: Well, that's what you get, 313 00:18:10,546 --> 00:18:13,314 trying to change the world. 314 00:18:13,315 --> 00:18:15,717 Salima ikram: Well, the poor thing didn't manage 315 00:18:15,718 --> 00:18:18,486 to change it for very long. 316 00:18:18,487 --> 00:18:22,558 Morgan Freeman: Do not fool around with the gods. 317 00:18:27,196 --> 00:18:33,000 Well, akhenaten's experiment in monotheism failed. 318 00:18:33,001 --> 00:18:37,071 But I can't help wondering if what happened, 319 00:18:37,072 --> 00:18:40,208 oh, around 1300bc, 320 00:18:40,209 --> 00:18:43,010 didn't influence the beginning of another religion. 321 00:18:43,011 --> 00:18:45,780 But it was here on the banks of the nile that 322 00:18:45,781 --> 00:18:47,715 Jewish tradition says, 323 00:18:47,716 --> 00:18:50,251 Moses was found among the bulrushes. 324 00:18:50,252 --> 00:18:52,987 And from that period, belief in a single god began 325 00:18:52,988 --> 00:18:57,926 to spread around the world. 326 00:18:58,694 --> 00:19:01,529 How did the belief of a small band of israelites 327 00:19:01,530 --> 00:19:04,465 spread so far and wide? 328 00:19:04,466 --> 00:19:08,169 Today, almost 4 billion muslims, 329 00:19:08,170 --> 00:19:13,609 christians and Jews worship the same, single god. 330 00:19:14,843 --> 00:19:17,146 What was so special about this god? 331 00:19:30,095 --> 00:19:32,796 Morgan Freeman: I'm traveling around the world to find out 332 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:36,233 how people of different faiths connect to the divine. 333 00:19:36,234 --> 00:19:40,537 And uncovering how our ideas of who god is have 334 00:19:40,538 --> 00:19:43,875 evolved over the millennia. 335 00:19:45,944 --> 00:19:49,046 My quest brings me to Jerusalem, 336 00:19:49,047 --> 00:19:51,949 because half the people on the planet can trace their 337 00:19:51,950 --> 00:19:55,452 god to this ancient city. 338 00:19:55,453 --> 00:19:58,489 It was here, around 3,000 years ago, 339 00:19:58,490 --> 00:20:02,961 that beliein a single, all-powerful deity took root. 340 00:20:04,262 --> 00:20:08,032 I meet Jewish philosopher, yoram hazony to find out how 341 00:20:08,033 --> 00:20:12,169 one god won out over many. 342 00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:14,071 This is the old city, old Jerusalem. 343 00:20:14,072 --> 00:20:16,440 Yoram hazony: The old city of Jerusalem, 344 00:20:16,441 --> 00:20:18,709 and stores like this have been lining these streets 345 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:20,678 for thousands of years. 346 00:20:20,679 --> 00:20:22,680 Except, you know, that thousands of years ago, 347 00:20:22,681 --> 00:20:24,515 they actually sold idols. 348 00:20:24,516 --> 00:20:27,351 Like representations of gods, like little figurines. 349 00:20:27,352 --> 00:20:31,922 In fact, there's an old rabbinic story from about the 350 00:20:31,923 --> 00:20:34,191 time of the talmud, that Abraham's father was 351 00:20:34,192 --> 00:20:36,660 a idol shop owner. 352 00:20:36,661 --> 00:20:38,262 Morgan Freeman: So, these idols, 353 00:20:38,263 --> 00:20:39,830 what were these gods for? 354 00:20:39,831 --> 00:20:42,533 Yoram hazony: So, the gods, they represent, 355 00:20:42,534 --> 00:20:45,569 in the old pagan religions, they represent anything 356 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:47,638 that a human being could want or need. 357 00:20:47,639 --> 00:20:50,709 There's a god that brings the rain. 358 00:20:52,544 --> 00:20:53,911 Morgan Freeman: Just a rain god. 359 00:20:53,912 --> 00:20:55,546 Yoram hazony: You want victory on the battlefield, 360 00:20:55,547 --> 00:20:56,747 so there's a god of war. 361 00:20:56,748 --> 00:20:59,885  [Battle cries and shouting]. 362 00:21:00,218 --> 00:21:01,819 Morgan Freeman: But you would have to figure out 363 00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:03,454 how you're gonna please all the different gods and 364 00:21:03,455 --> 00:21:04,655 get what you wanted from them, wouldn't you? 365 00:21:04,656 --> 00:21:06,123 Yoram hazony: Right, exactly. 366 00:21:06,124 --> 00:21:07,591 So some of those gods, all they want is like, 367 00:21:07,592 --> 00:21:09,059 you know, a party. 368 00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:11,262 They want wine and song, and some good food. 369 00:21:11,263 --> 00:21:13,497 That's not such a bad thing. 370 00:21:13,498 --> 00:21:17,035 But, some of those gods demanded bloodshed. 371 00:21:18,703 --> 00:21:20,504 So, "you want something from here, here it is, 372 00:21:20,505 --> 00:21:21,705 I want something from you. 373 00:21:21,706 --> 00:21:23,440 I want you to sacrifice your son," or something. 374 00:21:23,441 --> 00:21:25,276 Morgan Freeman: Okay, all right, all right, all right. 375 00:21:25,277 --> 00:21:27,077 How do I get now, from the rain god, 376 00:21:27,078 --> 00:21:29,780 I got a god of fire, to one I can't see, 377 00:21:29,781 --> 00:21:32,983 I can't touch, I don't know for sure is there? 378 00:21:32,984 --> 00:21:34,418 Yoram hazony: Well, that's what this story about 379 00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:35,920 Abraham is about. 380 00:21:35,921 --> 00:21:38,422 Abraham looks around at all these different gods. 381 00:21:38,423 --> 00:21:40,624 There's gotta be one set of rules. 382 00:21:40,625 --> 00:21:42,526 One set of laws of nature, 383 00:21:42,527 --> 00:21:46,597 one set of laws of morals that apply to all human beings. 384 00:21:46,598 --> 00:21:47,865 Morgan Freeman: So, what does he do? 385 00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:49,166 Where's he gonna go? 386 00:21:49,167 --> 00:21:50,501 Yoram hazony: All right, let's take a walk and 387 00:21:50,502 --> 00:21:51,635 I'll show you, come on. 388 00:21:51,636 --> 00:21:54,806 Morgan Freeman: Okay, all right. 389 00:21:56,908 --> 00:22:00,144 Yoram hazony: So, right here, we're looking at the absolute 390 00:22:00,145 --> 00:22:02,479 centre of the religious world. 391 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,647 This is it. 392 00:22:03,648 --> 00:22:07,352 This is the place. 393 00:22:08,186 --> 00:22:12,489 We have, over there, the dome of the rock. 394 00:22:12,490 --> 00:22:15,025 Over there, al-aqsa mosque. 395 00:22:15,026 --> 00:22:17,127 The mount of olives. 396 00:22:17,128 --> 00:22:20,030 And the valley of gethsemane. 397 00:22:20,031 --> 00:22:22,499 And down below, the western wall, 398 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:26,203 the holiest prayer shrine of judaism. 399 00:22:26,204 --> 00:22:27,538 Morgan Freeman: Why here? 400 00:22:27,539 --> 00:22:30,675 Yoram hazony: For one reason exactly. 401 00:22:34,212 --> 00:22:38,616 When Abraham almost sacrificed his son, Isaac, 402 00:22:38,617 --> 00:22:42,621 it took place right up there on that spot. 403 00:22:43,521 --> 00:22:47,057 Now, let's remember, Abraham's surrounded by 404 00:22:47,058 --> 00:22:50,294 idolaters who were sacrificing their children. 405 00:22:50,295 --> 00:22:51,829 Murdering their own children. 406 00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:54,531 Morgan Freeman: Abraham thought that he was following 407 00:22:54,532 --> 00:22:58,802 god's commandments by taking Isaac up there and... 408 00:22:58,803 --> 00:23:02,240 Yoram hazony: But god says to him, 409 00:23:03,608 --> 00:23:05,843 "you're not gonna touch your son. 410 00:23:05,844 --> 00:23:11,049 Not this time, not for all time." 411 00:23:11,283 --> 00:23:13,584 "There's one god," and he says, 412 00:23:13,585 --> 00:23:16,654 "you are not gonna sacrifice another child ever again." 413 00:23:16,655 --> 00:23:19,323 And commemorating that "never again" is the 414 00:23:19,324 --> 00:23:21,492 reason that the Jews built the temple here, 415 00:23:21,493 --> 00:23:23,027 and from there, 416 00:23:23,028 --> 00:23:25,296 judaism and christianity make this the holiest place 417 00:23:25,297 --> 00:23:27,898 in the history of the world. 418 00:23:27,899 --> 00:23:29,733 Morgan Freeman: That brings up a question though. 419 00:23:29,734 --> 00:23:31,602 This is an invisible god, 420 00:23:31,603 --> 00:23:36,307 there's no way that you can make some approximation of him. 421 00:23:36,308 --> 00:23:37,975 Yoram hazony: Right, there's no idols. 422 00:23:37,976 --> 00:23:40,611 It's a single force that gives order, 423 00:23:40,612 --> 00:23:44,048 the physical order and the moral order to all of mankind 424 00:23:44,049 --> 00:23:45,916 and to our whole world. 425 00:23:45,917 --> 00:23:49,353 There's no representation, 'cause he's not a local power. 426 00:23:49,354 --> 00:23:51,522 Morgan Freeman: Temples to the single, 427 00:23:51,523 --> 00:23:53,457 Jewish god stood on this spot for almost 428 00:23:53,458 --> 00:23:54,992 a thousand years. 429 00:23:54,993 --> 00:23:57,595 Until the romans destroyed the one that was standing 430 00:23:57,596 --> 00:23:59,763 in 70ad. 431 00:23:59,764 --> 00:24:03,467 But that destruction did not end this faith. 432 00:24:03,468 --> 00:24:04,902 Yoram hazony: The one incredible thing about this is 433 00:24:04,903 --> 00:24:09,073 that the one invisible god that's beyond all things, 434 00:24:09,074 --> 00:24:11,742 it turns out that, you know, when you destroy the temple 435 00:24:11,743 --> 00:24:13,077 to that one god... 436 00:24:13,078 --> 00:24:14,712 Morgan Freeman: You don't destroy the god. 437 00:24:14,713 --> 00:24:16,480 Yoram hazony: You don't destroy the god. 438 00:24:16,481 --> 00:24:18,816 It turns out, he's just as much there as he was before. 439 00:24:18,817 --> 00:24:20,551 Morgan Freeman: And that's well put. 440 00:24:20,552 --> 00:24:22,519 It's understandable. 441 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,255 [Chanting prayers] 442 00:24:24,256 --> 00:24:26,757 The god of Abraham was a god you could commune with 443 00:24:26,758 --> 00:24:29,727 without any temples, without idols. 444 00:24:29,728 --> 00:24:32,930 For Jews, and also for christians and muslims, 445 00:24:32,931 --> 00:24:35,366 this invisible god is always with them, 446 00:24:35,367 --> 00:24:39,804 no matter when or where they turn to him. 447 00:24:40,105 --> 00:24:44,041 It's truly amazing that three of the world's great 448 00:24:44,042 --> 00:24:48,646 faiths exist in such close proximity. 449 00:24:48,647 --> 00:24:53,284 All worshipping one god, the same god, 450 00:24:53,285 --> 00:24:56,086 a god who has survived calamities from the 451 00:24:56,087 --> 00:25:00,959 destruction of the holy temple to religious violence. 452 00:25:03,562 --> 00:25:08,667 But how do you connect with a god who has no physical form? 453 00:25:17,976 --> 00:25:23,181 How do you know what's divine and what isn't? 454 00:25:25,483 --> 00:25:28,519 I have decided to return to Cairo to try and 455 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,389 understand who god is to muslims. 456 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:35,960 Islam believes in the same god as Jews and christians, 457 00:25:35,961 --> 00:25:38,862 but I wanna know if there are differences in how 458 00:25:38,863 --> 00:25:43,368 they think about the divine. 459 00:25:44,236 --> 00:25:47,538 Historian of islam, Ahmed ragab has brought me 460 00:25:47,539 --> 00:25:52,009 to the al-Hussein mosque. 461 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:53,711 And you can just come in here, 462 00:25:53,712 --> 00:25:55,246 just like a catholic church? 463 00:25:55,247 --> 00:25:56,513 So it always open for prayer. 464 00:25:56,514 --> 00:25:58,082 Ahmed ragab: Yeah, yeah. 465 00:25:58,083 --> 00:25:59,783 Morgan Freeman: If you wanna come in here and just 466 00:25:59,784 --> 00:26:02,286 hang out with yourself and Allah? 467 00:26:02,287 --> 00:26:04,788 Ahmed ragab: Yeah, absolutely. 468 00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:07,157 Morgan Freeman: I'm just in time to hear what muslims 469 00:26:07,158 --> 00:26:11,528 believe is one of the most beautiful sounds in the world, 470 00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:14,465 the call to prayer. 471 00:26:14,466 --> 00:26:20,972  [Sings call to prayer]. 472 00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:33,918 For the faithful, the song of the muezzin is a 473 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:39,991 manifestation of god himself. 474 00:26:45,363 --> 00:26:48,265 Ahmed ragab: So that the end of the prayer is by saying, 475 00:26:48,266 --> 00:26:49,900 "as-salaam-alaikum" 476 00:26:49,901 --> 00:26:52,469 much like you end an encounter with anybody. 477 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:54,405 And it is because the prayer is, essentially, 478 00:26:54,406 --> 00:26:57,641 a meeting with god, the function is goodbye. 479 00:26:57,642 --> 00:26:59,176 Morgan Freeman: Like, "hey," you know, 480 00:26:59,177 --> 00:27:00,878 "see you later, nice talking to you." 481 00:27:00,879 --> 00:27:03,647 Ahmed ragab: Exactly, see you the next time. 482 00:27:03,648 --> 00:27:06,617  [Muezzin sings prayer]. 483 00:27:06,618 --> 00:27:08,485 Morgan Freeman: Prayer to Allah seems like a 484 00:27:08,486 --> 00:27:11,756 conversation with a person. 485 00:27:12,791 --> 00:27:17,194 But how do you speak to a person who has no human form? 486 00:27:17,195 --> 00:27:20,598 To help me understand, Ahmed has arranged a meeting with 487 00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:25,837 the mosque's spiritual leader, imam al-Amir mahfouz. 488 00:27:26,605 --> 00:27:28,739 Thank you so much for speaking with us. 489 00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:30,207 Imam: Welcome. 490 00:27:30,208 --> 00:27:32,710 Morgan Freeman: In the Christian religion, 491 00:27:32,711 --> 00:27:35,880 god is so manifested, 492 00:27:35,881 --> 00:27:40,150 but there is no such thing in islam. 493 00:27:40,151 --> 00:27:42,019 So, who am I talking to? 494 00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:44,054 Do I envision anything? 495 00:27:44,055 --> 00:27:48,994  [Foreign dialogue]. 496 00:27:49,394 --> 00:27:53,664  [Foreign dialogue]. 497 00:27:53,665 --> 00:27:55,966 Imam: You cannot imagine god. 498 00:27:55,967 --> 00:27:57,768 God is beyond imagination. 499 00:27:57,769 --> 00:28:00,571 Whatever you would imagine with our human minds, 500 00:28:00,572 --> 00:28:02,673 god would be different from it. 501 00:28:02,674 --> 00:28:08,445 Morgan Freeman: One of the most haunting and beautiful 502 00:28:08,446 --> 00:28:13,585 sounds in the world is the Muslim call to prayer. 503 00:28:14,786 --> 00:28:18,355 What is the origin of that? 504 00:28:18,356 --> 00:28:20,791 Ahmed ragab: It is said that one of Muhammad's 505 00:28:20,792 --> 00:28:24,328 companions had a vision while he was asleep, 506 00:28:24,329 --> 00:28:27,097 where he heard this call for prayer. 507 00:28:27,098 --> 00:28:29,166 And then, when he woke up, 508 00:28:29,167 --> 00:28:31,335 he went to Muhammad and told him about it. 509 00:28:31,336 --> 00:28:34,438 And he's made it into this ritual of using it to 510 00:28:34,439 --> 00:28:38,342 call for prayers every day, five times every day. 511 00:28:38,343 --> 00:28:40,477 Morgan Freeman: The muezzin, how is he chosen? 512 00:28:40,478 --> 00:28:42,813 Do you hold auditions? 513 00:28:42,814 --> 00:28:45,183  [Foreign dialogue]. 514 00:28:45,784 --> 00:28:50,422  [Foreign dialogue]. 515 00:28:50,989 --> 00:28:53,891 Imam: There are auditions where they would listen to 516 00:28:53,892 --> 00:28:56,327 people and the one who has the best voice will 517 00:28:56,328 --> 00:28:59,431 be given the position. 518 00:28:59,698 --> 00:29:04,903 Morgan Freeman: Allahhhhhhhhhhu-aqbar. 519 00:29:05,103 --> 00:29:06,470 How does that sound? 520 00:29:06,471 --> 00:29:08,072  [Laughs]. 521 00:29:08,073 --> 00:29:11,475  [Foreign dialogue]. 522 00:29:11,476 --> 00:29:13,043 Imam: You have to work on it. 523 00:29:13,044 --> 00:29:14,378 Morgan Freeman: I have to work on it. 524 00:29:14,379 --> 00:29:16,280 Okay, I get it. 525 00:29:16,281 --> 00:29:18,282  [Sings prayer]. 526 00:29:18,283 --> 00:29:21,018 Mosques are designed to be filled with beautiful sounds 527 00:29:21,019 --> 00:29:24,388 and images that delight the senses, 528 00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:28,025 from elaborate architecture, to versus of the quran, 529 00:29:28,026 --> 00:29:30,761 written in the finest calligraphy. 530 00:29:30,762 --> 00:29:33,731 Many muslims see this beauty as a manifestation 531 00:29:33,732 --> 00:29:36,634 of god himself. 532 00:29:36,635 --> 00:29:40,137 Islam sees god in all things that are beautiful, 533 00:29:40,138 --> 00:29:42,806 because god has not physical form, 534 00:29:42,807 --> 00:29:46,810 he can be experienced anywhere with any of the senses. 535 00:29:46,811 --> 00:29:51,382 But these experiences only have an aspect of the divine, 536 00:29:51,383 --> 00:29:55,921 god is always more than we can imagine. 537 00:29:56,922 --> 00:29:59,623 Across so many faiths around the world, 538 00:29:59,624 --> 00:30:04,328 and throughout time, people have emulated the divine in 539 00:30:04,329 --> 00:30:07,731 the beauty of their temples, and glimpsed god in the 540 00:30:07,732 --> 00:30:11,101 splendour of nature. 541 00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:15,807 But some faiths believe god can take a physical form. 542 00:30:16,975 --> 00:30:21,346 And that form is a person. 543 00:30:23,315 --> 00:30:25,916 I'm in shiprock, new Mexico in the heart 544 00:30:25,917 --> 00:30:28,719 of the navajo nation. 545 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,357 I'm about to witness something that few outsiders ever see, 546 00:30:33,358 --> 00:30:37,828 a sacred ceremony where a god and a human become 547 00:30:37,829 --> 00:30:40,932 one single being. 548 00:30:49,507 --> 00:30:50,874 Woman: Welcome. 549 00:30:50,875 --> 00:30:52,743 Morgan Freeman: Thank you, thank you, thank you. 550 00:30:52,744 --> 00:30:54,078 Woman: You're welcome. 551 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:55,246 Woman 2: Hi, Morgan. 552 00:30:55,247 --> 00:30:56,480 Morgan Freeman: How are you? 553 00:30:56,481 --> 00:30:57,882 Kayla: We have something for you too. 554 00:30:57,883 --> 00:30:59,116 Morgan Freeman: Oh, you do? 555 00:30:59,117 --> 00:31:00,217 Kayla: Yes. 556 00:31:00,218 --> 00:31:02,753 Morgan Freeman: Look out! 557 00:31:02,754 --> 00:31:04,088 Thank you. 558 00:31:04,089 --> 00:31:05,522 Kayla: You're welcome. 559 00:31:05,523 --> 00:31:06,857 Morgan Freeman: Now, where are we going now? 560 00:31:06,858 --> 00:31:07,992 Woman: We're going inside. 561 00:31:07,993 --> 00:31:09,093 Morgan Freeman: Are we? 562 00:31:09,094 --> 00:31:10,461 Woman: Yes. 563 00:31:10,462 --> 00:31:12,029 Morgan Freeman: All right, I'll follow. 564 00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:15,766 Inside the traditional navajo ritual hut, or hogan, 565 00:31:15,767 --> 00:31:18,402 the Peterson family has agreed to share with me the 566 00:31:18,403 --> 00:31:20,738 ceremony that allows their youngest daughter, 567 00:31:20,739 --> 00:31:24,309 maysun to pass from girlhood to womanhood. 568 00:31:28,780 --> 00:31:31,115 By the end of the four day long ritual, 569 00:31:31,116 --> 00:31:36,186 one of the navajo deities will be living inside her. 570 00:31:36,187 --> 00:31:38,088 Woman: Yeah, just like that, and make a cone... 571 00:31:38,089 --> 00:31:39,290 Woman 2: Oh, yeah. 572 00:31:39,291 --> 00:31:41,025 Woman: Like a cone, like this. 573 00:31:41,026 --> 00:31:42,826 Morgan Freeman: The core of the ceremony is the 574 00:31:42,827 --> 00:31:45,062 making of a giant corn cake in honor of the sun. 575 00:31:45,063 --> 00:31:46,664 How big is the cake gonna be? 576 00:31:46,665 --> 00:31:48,032 Woman: It's gonna be huge. 577 00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:51,002 Morgan Freeman: Huge. 578 00:31:58,009 --> 00:31:59,376 Are you the fire tender? 579 00:31:59,377 --> 00:32:00,744 Kayla: Yes. 580 00:32:00,745 --> 00:32:02,379 Morgan Freeman: Okay. 581 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:05,216 Maysun's older sister, Kayla went through this same 582 00:32:05,217 --> 00:32:08,452 ritual four years ago, and learned about her connection 583 00:32:08,453 --> 00:32:12,356 to the navajo gods, or holy people. 584 00:32:12,357 --> 00:32:17,094 Do me a favor, tell me about this ritual. 585 00:32:17,095 --> 00:32:20,197 Kayla: So, it's referred to as, the kinaalda ceremony. 586 00:32:20,198 --> 00:32:21,166 Morgan Freeman: Say that again. 587 00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:22,466 Kayla: Kinaalda. 588 00:32:22,467 --> 00:32:24,068 Morgan Freeman: Kinaalda. 589 00:32:24,069 --> 00:32:26,637 Kayla: I had my ceremony when I was about 12. 590 00:32:26,638 --> 00:32:30,207 And it's a puberty ceremony, so it actually originates from 591 00:32:30,208 --> 00:32:32,042 changing woman who, we call her, 592 00:32:32,043 --> 00:32:33,711 asdza'a' n�dleeh�. 593 00:32:33,712 --> 00:32:35,279 Morgan Freeman: Asdza'a' n�dleeh�? 594 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,413 Kayla: Yes. 595 00:32:36,414 --> 00:32:37,815 Morgan Freeman: Close though. 596 00:32:37,816 --> 00:32:39,650 Kayla: Close for the first. 597 00:32:39,651 --> 00:32:41,418 Morgan Freeman: Asdza'a' n�dleeh�. 598 00:32:41,419 --> 00:32:43,687 Kayla: The story originated because they wanted changing 599 00:32:43,688 --> 00:32:45,456 woman to bear children. 600 00:32:45,457 --> 00:32:49,493 So, it all starts when first woman and first man see 601 00:32:49,494 --> 00:32:53,864 a dark cloud come over gobernador knob and 602 00:32:53,865 --> 00:32:55,699 they hear a baby crying. 603 00:32:55,700 --> 00:33:00,839  [Baby crying]. 604 00:33:11,983 --> 00:33:15,085 Kayla: And him and first woman were instructed to care 605 00:33:15,086 --> 00:33:18,857 for the baby by the holy people. 606 00:33:20,292 --> 00:33:23,827 So, within 12 days, she grew from an infant into 607 00:33:23,828 --> 00:33:25,462 a 12-year-old girl. 608 00:33:25,463 --> 00:33:26,830 Morgan Freeman: In 12 days? 609 00:33:26,831 --> 00:33:28,198 Kayla: Yes. 610 00:33:28,199 --> 00:33:31,368 She was ready to become a woman. 611 00:33:31,369 --> 00:33:33,304 Morgan Freeman: To grow into a woman, 612 00:33:33,305 --> 00:33:35,539 maysun must connect with the divine spirit of 613 00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:37,975 changing woman, which the navajo believe still 614 00:33:37,976 --> 00:33:40,411 inhabits the landscape. 615 00:33:40,412 --> 00:33:44,448 Each day, she has to run toward the rising sun. 616 00:33:44,449 --> 00:33:47,918 Do the young ladies always run east in the morning? 617 00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:49,453 Kayla: Yes. 618 00:33:49,454 --> 00:33:51,722 So it goes back on the story with changing woman, 619 00:33:51,723 --> 00:33:53,424 as she becomes a woman. 620 00:33:53,425 --> 00:33:58,129 When she does bear children, it is with the sun. 621 00:34:02,234 --> 00:34:06,238 Woman 2: The holy people are around us right now. 622 00:34:15,113 --> 00:34:16,847 Woman: This is an opportunity for the ceremony 623 00:34:16,848 --> 00:34:21,218 where these prayers come upon her and push on her. 624 00:34:21,219 --> 00:34:23,020 And it's all about her. 625 00:34:23,021 --> 00:34:26,156 Yes, yes, yes it is. 626 00:34:26,157 --> 00:34:28,926 So she gets all the prayers, 627 00:34:28,927 --> 00:34:31,028 and your hopes and your dreams... 628 00:34:31,029 --> 00:34:32,863 Woman: And [Inaudible] whatever it is that you 629 00:34:32,864 --> 00:34:34,265 want for her. 630 00:34:34,266 --> 00:34:36,600 Just whatever positive you can push into the cake and 631 00:34:36,601 --> 00:34:38,369 make sure that her life is strong and complete, 632 00:34:38,370 --> 00:34:40,471 and that she knows that she has all these prayers 633 00:34:40,472 --> 00:34:42,339 that will got with her. 634 00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:44,743 Morgan Freeman: Go with her. 635 00:34:45,610 --> 00:34:48,445  [Navajo medicine man sings]. 636 00:34:48,446 --> 00:34:50,981 Morgan Freeman: As the corn cake begins its slow overnight 637 00:34:50,982 --> 00:34:55,119 bake maysun begins the final night of her kinaalda. 638 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,255 Tonight, she'll be joined with the spirit of the navajo 639 00:34:58,256 --> 00:35:01,158 deity, changing woman. 640 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:05,362  [Navajo medicine man sings] 641 00:35:05,363 --> 00:35:08,899 She and her family will stay in the hogan until dawn, 642 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,836 while the navajo medicine man sings sacred songs. 643 00:35:12,837 --> 00:35:15,406  [Navajo medicine man sings]. 644 00:35:15,407 --> 00:35:20,044 Are all of these songs prayers and blessings for 645 00:35:20,045 --> 00:35:23,281 the young girl? 646 00:35:24,216 --> 00:35:26,016 Navajo medicine man: Yeah, these can help her 647 00:35:26,017 --> 00:35:27,818 along the way, 648 00:35:27,819 --> 00:35:30,421 that she's already changing into a young adult. 649 00:35:30,422 --> 00:35:32,456 So I just sing for them at the kinaalda, okay, 650 00:35:32,457 --> 00:35:34,024 to give them strength. 651 00:35:34,025 --> 00:35:35,659 It's what the run is about, okay. 652 00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:39,830 With an endorsement, build the muscles, and everything, 653 00:35:39,831 --> 00:35:43,033 so they will be changed slowly into womanhood. 654 00:35:43,034 --> 00:35:45,502  [Navajo medicine man sings]. 655 00:35:45,503 --> 00:35:48,239 Morgan Freeman: There are many more songs to be sung tonight, 656 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:49,974 but hearing them all is prohibited for 657 00:35:49,975 --> 00:35:52,376 outsiders like me. 658 00:35:52,377 --> 00:35:53,444 Thank you. 659 00:35:53,445 --> 00:35:55,679 Woman: You're welcome. 660 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,881 Morgan Freeman: See you. 661 00:35:56,882 --> 00:35:59,049 Woman: We'll see you in a bit. 662 00:35:59,050 --> 00:36:01,553 Morgan Freeman: Okay. 663 00:36:08,426 --> 00:36:12,263  [Navajo medicine man sings]. 664 00:36:12,264 --> 00:36:14,865 Morgan Freeman: At dawn, maysun makes the final and 665 00:36:14,866 --> 00:36:19,004 longest run of her kinaalda. 666 00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:30,615  [Female navajo shouts]. 667 00:36:36,388 --> 00:36:41,660  [Female navajo shouts]. 668 00:36:46,565 --> 00:36:47,765 Morgan Freeman: How are you feeling? 669 00:36:47,766 --> 00:36:49,400 Maysun: I think I'm gonna pass out. 670 00:36:49,401 --> 00:36:50,501 Morgan Freeman: You're gonna pass out? 671 00:36:50,502 --> 00:36:51,769 Maysun: Yes. 672 00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:53,170 Morgan Freeman: She's hot, she's gonna pass out. 673 00:36:53,171 --> 00:36:54,305 Woman: Yeah. 674 00:36:54,306 --> 00:36:55,573 Mason: I'm glad it's cold out here. 675 00:36:55,574 --> 00:36:56,941 Morgan Freeman: Okay, you're glad it's cold. 676 00:36:56,942 --> 00:36:58,275 Otherwise you would pass out, right? 677 00:36:58,276 --> 00:36:59,977 Maysun: No. 678 00:36:59,978 --> 00:37:01,645 Morgan Freeman: On this morning, 679 00:37:01,646 --> 00:37:04,081 the spirit of the navajo deity has moved inside maysun 680 00:37:04,082 --> 00:37:06,750 and made her a holy person. 681 00:37:06,751 --> 00:37:08,385 Be proud, your cake is good. 682 00:37:08,386 --> 00:37:12,189 That means things are gonna work out just fine. 683 00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:15,527 Right, right? 684 00:37:16,761 --> 00:37:18,963 The cake can only be eaten once it's been 685 00:37:18,964 --> 00:37:21,732 blessed by maysun. 686 00:37:21,733 --> 00:37:23,100 I can take a bite of it? 687 00:37:23,101 --> 00:37:26,905 Maysun: Yeah, yeah, don't burn your tongue. 688 00:37:30,842 --> 00:37:35,679 Morgan Freeman: Now that it's over, how do you feel? 689 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,782 Maysun: I feel like, i say this, I'm just like, 690 00:37:38,783 --> 00:37:42,453 "mom, I survived, it felt like boot camp!" 691 00:37:42,454 --> 00:37:44,521  [Laughing]. 692 00:37:44,522 --> 00:37:46,223 Morgan Freeman: Great. 693 00:37:46,224 --> 00:37:49,426 In the kinaalda, navajo girls have a personal experience 694 00:37:49,427 --> 00:37:51,829 of the changing woman. 695 00:37:51,830 --> 00:37:54,265 One that can only be gained through rare 696 00:37:54,266 --> 00:37:56,166 moments of insight. 697 00:37:56,167 --> 00:38:02,807 She is the spirit that infuses the entire navajo landscape. 698 00:38:06,344 --> 00:38:09,747 If we believe that god not only surrounds us, 699 00:38:09,748 --> 00:38:15,186 but also has the power to move inside us... 700 00:38:17,122 --> 00:38:20,891 Can we, perhaps, discover what god is by 701 00:38:20,892 --> 00:38:23,929 looking inside our minds? 702 00:38:25,674 --> 00:38:27,474 Morgan Freeman: For thousands of years, 703 00:38:27,475 --> 00:38:30,511 to many people, god has been invisible, 704 00:38:30,512 --> 00:38:34,215 intangible, a presence believers can sense but 705 00:38:34,216 --> 00:38:37,318 not see or touch. 706 00:38:37,319 --> 00:38:41,623 But science may be about to change that. 707 00:38:41,923 --> 00:38:44,825 I took a train to Philadelphia to meet a 708 00:38:44,826 --> 00:38:48,629 neuroscientist who studies what happens in our brains when 709 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:51,365 we have religious experiences. 710 00:38:51,366 --> 00:38:55,703 I'm about to see whether i can find the presence of god, 711 00:38:55,704 --> 00:38:58,573 in my brain. 712 00:39:04,546 --> 00:39:07,848 Doctor Andy newberg is pioneering an new field of 713 00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:11,586 study he calls, neurotheology. 714 00:39:12,387 --> 00:39:16,523 And I know that you have done a lot of research on the 715 00:39:16,524 --> 00:39:22,898 brain, how the brain reacts to say, spiritual meditation. 716 00:39:23,231 --> 00:39:25,366 Can you elaborate on that for me? 717 00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:27,568 Dr. Andy newberg: Well, certainly, you know, 718 00:39:27,569 --> 00:39:29,870 as we look at the brain, we can see very substantial 719 00:39:29,871 --> 00:39:32,873 differences when people are either religious or spiritual 720 00:39:32,874 --> 00:39:35,009 in their practices, when they're trying to pray, 721 00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:36,677 meditate on god. 722 00:39:36,678 --> 00:39:39,880 You know, we can see what's going on in us as 723 00:39:39,881 --> 00:39:43,817 we think about god, experience god and pray to god, 724 00:39:43,818 --> 00:39:45,452 whatever the person is doing. 725 00:39:45,453 --> 00:39:47,121 Morgan Freeman: So, you're looking for physical 726 00:39:47,122 --> 00:39:48,889 manifestations of god? 727 00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:50,457 Dr. Andy newberg: Yes, you are looking for physical 728 00:39:50,458 --> 00:39:51,892 manifestations of god. 729 00:39:51,893 --> 00:39:53,294 Morgan Freeman: Okay. 730 00:39:53,295 --> 00:39:55,796 So, I'm interested in find out if there is any 731 00:39:55,797 --> 00:39:58,999 manifestation of god within me, in my brain. 732 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,502 Dr. Andy newberg: Right, we can take a look at that. 733 00:40:01,503 --> 00:40:02,603 Morgan Freeman: Come on. 734 00:40:02,604 --> 00:40:05,539 Dr. Andy newberg: See if we can find it. 735 00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:06,840 Woman: Little pinch. 736 00:40:06,841 --> 00:40:07,942 Morgan Freeman: Ow! 737 00:40:07,943 --> 00:40:09,176 Woman: I'm sorry. 738 00:40:09,177 --> 00:40:10,945 Morgan Freeman: No, I'm kidding. 739 00:40:10,946 --> 00:40:13,981 The process begins with an injection of radioactive dye. 740 00:40:13,982 --> 00:40:15,716 What happens if you drop that? 741 00:40:15,717 --> 00:40:17,218 Woman: Well, if we spill it on the floor, 742 00:40:17,219 --> 00:40:20,955 we have to close that room, and evacuate everybody. 743 00:40:20,956 --> 00:40:22,156 Morgan Freeman: So, don't spill it, okay. 744 00:40:22,157 --> 00:40:23,891 Woman: Don't spill it. 745 00:40:23,892 --> 00:40:25,793 Morgan Freeman: With the radioactive tracer 746 00:40:25,794 --> 00:40:28,596 in my bloodstream, Andy can measure how much blood flows 747 00:40:28,597 --> 00:40:31,065 through the various parts of my brain. 748 00:40:31,066 --> 00:40:33,167 The more I'm using a part of my brain, 749 00:40:33,168 --> 00:40:36,403 the more radioactive dye it will accumulate. 750 00:40:36,404 --> 00:40:39,707 I already did a baseline scan while I was just resting 751 00:40:39,708 --> 00:40:42,009 with my eyes closed. 752 00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:45,045 Now, I'm attempting to meditate on the divine 753 00:40:45,046 --> 00:40:47,948 to see whether anything changes. 754 00:40:47,949 --> 00:40:49,650 Dr. Andy newberg: It's time to start focusing 755 00:40:49,651 --> 00:40:50,718 on your breath. 756 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,019 Morgan Freeman: All right. 757 00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:53,487 Dr. Andy newberg: Now, just try to get in as good a 758 00:40:53,488 --> 00:40:55,055 state as you can, focusing on the breath, 759 00:40:55,056 --> 00:40:56,390 just trying to really bring really deep 760 00:40:56,391 --> 00:40:57,658 concentration to it. 761 00:40:57,659 --> 00:40:58,959 I think that'll be great. 762 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,227 Morgan Freeman: So shall I start now? 763 00:41:00,228 --> 00:41:01,929 Dr. Andy newberg: You can go ahead and start now. 764 00:41:01,930 --> 00:41:04,566 Morgan Freeman: Okay. 765 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,537 Dr. Andy newberg: Okay, you can finish the meditation. 766 00:41:43,538 --> 00:41:45,839 How did it go? 767 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,075 Morgan Freeman: Fine, how long was that? 768 00:41:48,076 --> 00:41:51,413 Dr. Andy newberg: It was about 11 or 12 minutes. 769 00:41:53,315 --> 00:41:55,316 Morgan Freeman: Before the radioactive tracer flushes 770 00:41:55,317 --> 00:41:56,817 out of my system... 771 00:41:56,818 --> 00:41:58,352 Woman: So you'll be on your back. 772 00:41:58,353 --> 00:42:00,254 Morgan Freeman: I have to quickly climb into this 773 00:42:00,255 --> 00:42:05,392 3D scanner and see whether my brain has changed because 774 00:42:05,393 --> 00:42:09,331 I mediated on god. 775 00:42:18,373 --> 00:42:19,640 Dr. Andy newberg: All right. 776 00:42:19,641 --> 00:42:21,008 Morgan Freeman: Well, look at that, two eyes, 777 00:42:21,009 --> 00:42:22,910 a nose and the mouth. 778 00:42:22,911 --> 00:42:24,645 Dr. Andy newberg: Well, but to me, 779 00:42:24,646 --> 00:42:26,580 it looks like you're smiling a little bit. 780 00:42:26,581 --> 00:42:29,751  [Laughter]. 781 00:42:30,352 --> 00:42:34,188 Morgan Freeman: What do you see or do you see anything? 782 00:42:34,189 --> 00:42:36,257 Dr. Andy newberg: So these are your two scans side-by-side. 783 00:42:36,258 --> 00:42:37,791 Here's your resting scan. 784 00:42:37,792 --> 00:42:39,293 Here's the meditation scan. 785 00:42:39,294 --> 00:42:42,162 And you can see, if you look at the frontal lobes here, 786 00:42:42,163 --> 00:42:44,632 it's mostly yellow, just a little bit of red, whereas, 787 00:42:44,633 --> 00:42:46,267 if you look during your meditation, 788 00:42:46,268 --> 00:42:49,236 the whole frontal lobe just kind of has blossomed. 789 00:42:49,237 --> 00:42:51,005 So, if you are concentrating on something, 790 00:42:51,006 --> 00:42:53,741 if you're saying a prayer, or if you're focusing on god, 791 00:42:53,742 --> 00:42:55,442 if you're trying to connect with god, 792 00:42:55,443 --> 00:42:59,213 then you tend to increase the activity in the frontal lobes. 793 00:42:59,214 --> 00:43:01,582 Morgan Freeman: How do I compare with say, 794 00:43:01,583 --> 00:43:05,387 a nun praying, or, let's say, a Buddhist monk 795 00:43:06,054 --> 00:43:09,223 who is meditating, do I compare at all? 796 00:43:09,224 --> 00:43:12,092 Dr. Andy newberg: As with the nuns who were concentrating on 797 00:43:12,093 --> 00:43:15,863 a prayer, the Buddhists who were focusing on an image, 798 00:43:15,864 --> 00:43:18,432 they all activated their frontal lobes. 799 00:43:18,433 --> 00:43:20,334 And that's exactly what you did too. 800 00:43:20,335 --> 00:43:22,002 Morgan Freeman: And if i was contemplating the 801 00:43:22,003 --> 00:43:24,171 image of god, could you tell the difference? 802 00:43:24,172 --> 00:43:26,173 Dr. Andy newberg: We actually scanned an atheist, 803 00:43:26,174 --> 00:43:28,375 who was a very good meditator, and we asked him 804 00:43:28,376 --> 00:43:32,046 to concentrate on god, to meditate on god and he 805 00:43:32,047 --> 00:43:34,415 wasn't able to activate his frontal lobes very much. 806 00:43:34,416 --> 00:43:36,050 So, in fact, if anything, as you can see... 807 00:43:36,051 --> 00:43:37,518 Morgan Freeman: It went down a bit. 808 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,353 Dr. Andy newberg: It's sort of decreased a little bit. 809 00:43:39,354 --> 00:43:40,721 Yeah, so, even though they said, 810 00:43:40,722 --> 00:43:42,356 "yeah, I'm concentrating; 811 00:43:42,357 --> 00:43:43,824 I'm trying to contemplate god," 812 00:43:43,825 --> 00:43:45,492 they just were not able to do a very good job 813 00:43:45,493 --> 00:43:46,961 of doing it, 814 00:43:46,962 --> 00:43:48,596 'cause they didn't really believe it. 815 00:43:48,597 --> 00:43:50,998 So, I think, part of what that told me is that 816 00:43:50,999 --> 00:43:53,334 regardless of what our practice is, 817 00:43:53,335 --> 00:43:55,469 the key is, "do you believe it? 818 00:43:55,470 --> 00:43:56,737 Do you buy into it? 819 00:43:56,738 --> 00:43:58,505 Is it important to you?" 820 00:43:58,506 --> 00:44:00,574 Morgan Freeman: It's amazing that somebody came up with the 821 00:44:00,575 --> 00:44:02,543 idea that you could shoot somebody full of radioactive 822 00:44:02,544 --> 00:44:04,511 drugs and look at their brain. 823 00:44:04,512 --> 00:44:06,413 Dr. Andy newberg: The brain is just so unbelievably 824 00:44:06,414 --> 00:44:08,716 complex that it's not that there's one god spot, 825 00:44:08,717 --> 00:44:10,084 or one god part of the brain, 826 00:44:10,085 --> 00:44:12,519 but it seems to be the whole brain that gets involved. 827 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,356 And, ultimately, these change the way you think and 828 00:44:15,357 --> 00:44:19,160 feel about the world. 829 00:44:19,895 --> 00:44:21,896 Morgan Freeman: So, apparently, 830 00:44:21,897 --> 00:44:26,166 it is possible to see physical manifestations of 831 00:44:26,167 --> 00:44:29,003 god inside us. 832 00:44:29,004 --> 00:44:30,971 Whether you're Christian, Buddhist, 833 00:44:30,972 --> 00:44:33,774 or any kind of spiritual person, 834 00:44:33,775 --> 00:44:38,079 experiencing the divine actually changes the brain, 835 00:44:38,346 --> 00:44:41,749 changes the way we see the world. 836 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:45,220 That's really something. 837 00:44:46,187 --> 00:44:49,256 The evidence that experiencing god changes us 838 00:44:49,257 --> 00:44:53,862 on the inside will come as no surprise to believers, 839 00:44:57,065 --> 00:45:00,969 including the people at lakewood church in Houston. 840 00:45:04,673 --> 00:45:08,409 I've come to see how 10,000 christians can all 841 00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:12,581 have a meaningful, personal experience with their god. 842 00:45:14,749 --> 00:45:20,255  [Clapping and singing]. 843 00:45:20,522 --> 00:45:22,756 The pastors of this mega-church, 844 00:45:22,757 --> 00:45:26,293 Joel and Victoria osteen, have agreed to meet with me 845 00:45:26,294 --> 00:45:28,662 before the service begins, 846 00:45:28,663 --> 00:45:31,332 and let me in on their philosophy. 847 00:45:31,333 --> 00:45:33,133  [Clapping and singing]. 848 00:45:33,134 --> 00:45:34,835 Joel osteen: I wanna leave them something that 849 00:45:34,836 --> 00:45:36,337 they can use this afternoon. 850 00:45:36,338 --> 00:45:39,340 So, I don't do a lotta doctrine and, you know, 851 00:45:39,341 --> 00:45:40,841 I go practical. 852 00:45:40,842 --> 00:45:42,810 Today, I'm talking about, you know, using what 853 00:45:42,811 --> 00:45:44,011 god's given you. 854 00:45:44,012 --> 00:45:45,379 And so, when you leave, you'll say, 855 00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:47,214 "you know what, it was worth me going to church today." 856 00:45:47,215 --> 00:45:48,515 Let me ask you, can we pray? 857 00:45:48,516 --> 00:45:49,717 We got about one minute, and we're gonna pop out there. 858 00:45:49,718 --> 00:45:50,851 So, I'm just gonna pray, okay, yeah, look, 859 00:45:50,852 --> 00:45:52,386 will you pray with us, Morgan? 860 00:45:52,387 --> 00:45:53,787 Thank you for this day. 861 00:45:53,788 --> 00:45:55,256 And lord, all the people that have come out and 862 00:45:55,257 --> 00:45:56,690 many who are gonna watch on television and 863 00:45:56,691 --> 00:45:58,359 listen on the radio, and we just ask you that you 864 00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,860 give us the words to speak. 865 00:45:59,861 --> 00:46:02,296 That every person would feel your presence, 866 00:46:02,297 --> 00:46:04,798 your power, that they'd feel encouragement and hope, 867 00:46:04,799 --> 00:46:06,233 and inspiration. 868 00:46:06,234 --> 00:46:08,068 That you'd know that you have them in the palm 869 00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:09,370 of your hand. 870 00:46:09,371 --> 00:46:11,705 I just ask you, father for a great service 871 00:46:11,706 --> 00:46:13,173 in Jesus' name... 872 00:46:13,174 --> 00:46:14,608 Both: Amen. 873 00:46:14,609 --> 00:46:15,843 Morgan Freeman: Amen. 874 00:46:15,844 --> 00:46:17,211 Joel osteen: Thank you, very honored to have you. 875 00:46:17,212 --> 00:46:18,345 Morgan Freeman: Thank you, I'm very honored to be here. 876 00:46:18,346 --> 00:46:19,613 Joel osteen: We'll catch you afterwards. 877 00:46:19,614 --> 00:46:20,681 Victoria osteen: You gotta watch it. 878 00:46:20,682 --> 00:46:22,583 You'll be dancing before you know it. 879 00:46:22,584 --> 00:46:25,620 Morgan Freeman: It doesn't much to get me started. 880 00:46:30,125 --> 00:46:34,763   881 00:46:39,801 --> 00:46:43,805  [Clapping]. 882 00:46:52,847 --> 00:46:55,783  [Cheers and applause]. 883 00:46:55,784 --> 00:46:57,551 Victoria osteen: Yes, it is good to be in the house of 884 00:46:57,552 --> 00:47:00,354 the lord and I am excited to be here today, with you! 885 00:47:00,355 --> 00:47:02,156  [Cheers and applause]. 886 00:47:02,157 --> 00:47:05,793 See, we were designed to function at our best when we 887 00:47:05,794 --> 00:47:08,295 are connected to god. 888 00:47:08,296 --> 00:47:11,365 You've got power on the inside, you can rely on. 889 00:47:11,366 --> 00:47:13,867  [Cheers and applause]. 890 00:47:13,868 --> 00:47:16,637 Joel osteen: Don't live life in neutral, not passionate, 891 00:47:16,638 --> 00:47:21,276 not intentional, not focused, stir up what god's given you. 892 00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:24,378 Dare to take those steps of faith. 893 00:47:24,379 --> 00:47:25,946  [Cheers and applause]. 894 00:47:25,947 --> 00:47:27,414 Morgan Freeman: I'm gonna ask a flat out question, 895 00:47:27,415 --> 00:47:28,782 who is god? 896 00:47:28,783 --> 00:47:31,151 Joel osteen: I believe god is our father, the creator, 897 00:47:31,152 --> 00:47:33,621 somebody that gives us purpose and destiny. 898 00:47:33,622 --> 00:47:35,389 Well, sometimes it's hard for people to say, 899 00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:37,691 "how can I believe in something I can't see?" 900 00:47:37,692 --> 00:47:39,960 But it's what you choose to believe through faith. 901 00:47:39,961 --> 00:47:43,797 Morgan Freeman: It's what you choose to believe through faith. 902 00:47:43,798 --> 00:47:45,833 Joel osteen: When Jesus came, he said, 903 00:47:45,834 --> 00:47:47,401 "look, I want you to come to me." 904 00:47:47,402 --> 00:47:49,236 So I tell people, 905 00:47:49,237 --> 00:47:50,838 "you can talk to god all through the day, 906 00:47:50,839 --> 00:47:52,373 like you talk to your friend. 907 00:47:52,374 --> 00:47:53,874 In your thoughts, you can say, 908 00:47:53,875 --> 00:47:56,143 "god, you know, thank you for this day." 909 00:47:56,144 --> 00:47:59,013 I think, that god can be as involved in your life 910 00:47:59,014 --> 00:48:00,381 as much as you want him to be. 911 00:48:00,382 --> 00:48:02,349 So that's what we try to teach people, 912 00:48:02,350 --> 00:48:05,219 to get god out of your Sunday morning box. 913 00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:07,021 Morgan Freeman: God has been a lot of things to 914 00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:09,890 a lot of people and now, 915 00:48:09,891 --> 00:48:14,696 here, you're making god personal. 916 00:48:14,996 --> 00:48:16,564 Joel osteen: Yes. 917 00:48:16,565 --> 00:48:17,665 Morgan Freeman: Approachable... 918 00:48:17,666 --> 00:48:20,267 And, helpful. 919 00:48:20,268 --> 00:48:22,803 Joel osteen: Yes, that's right. 920 00:48:22,804 --> 00:48:26,473 Victoria osteen: The life of god lives and dwells in us. 921 00:48:26,474 --> 00:48:28,609 And it's a spiritual life. 922 00:48:28,610 --> 00:48:32,913 It's your spiritual power on the inside of you. 923 00:48:32,914 --> 00:48:36,651 And that is what we need to tap into. 924 00:48:43,992 --> 00:48:46,093 Morgan Freeman: That was quite a show. 925 00:48:46,094 --> 00:48:50,698 Maybe 10,000 people worshiping, celebrating, 926 00:48:50,699 --> 00:48:54,435 each of them having his own personal experience with god. 927 00:48:54,436 --> 00:48:59,740 This is clearly a faith in the god in you. 928 00:48:59,741 --> 00:49:05,380 Your inspiration, your power. 929 00:49:07,082 --> 00:49:10,986 God is so many things to so many people. 930 00:49:13,021 --> 00:49:17,125 The warm light of the sun. 931 00:49:18,226 --> 00:49:21,763 The sound of sweet music. 932 00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:26,033 An inner voice that drives us forward. 933 00:49:26,034 --> 00:49:29,137 A friend. 934 00:49:29,437 --> 00:49:32,773 If you ask me who god is, I would say, 935 00:49:32,774 --> 00:49:35,476 there's a bit of the divine in all of us. 936 00:49:35,477 --> 00:49:39,146 There's god in you, there's god in me. 937 00:49:39,147 --> 00:49:44,719 The god in me is who i really am, at my core. 938 00:49:46,888 --> 00:49:50,992 The god in me is the best version of me. 939 00:49:52,861 --> 00:49:58,098 The god in me is who I strive to be. 940 00:49:58,099 --> 00:50:01,970 Who I was meant to be.