- Next up,
an epic Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion begins.
**
Okay.
- I wanna set an intention for us today
that each of you
can find a path towards moving forward.
- I expect nothing less tonight.
- I still love him.
I still massage this man's feet every night.
- You massage Michael's feet? - I don't think so.
- I massage Michael's feet every night.
- Chile.
- Has anyone else taken Robyn's swallowing advice?
You have. With the DJ.
- He's a radio personality.
[laughing] - Oh.
- Gordon's here.
Inc said, "What's up, Gordon?"
- Hey, Inc. How you doin', man?
- I'm sorry to hear about your dad passing.
- I was there with him when he took his last breath.
- And iced me out of this group.
- You understand what I'm saying?
- I want to share something with you
that some of you may have suspected.
- Oh, Mia, I'm sorry.
- So, the screenshots of your husband's limp penis
are photoshopped?
- If you knew how taboo it is,
you would not say anything else.
- Does Inc think Jeremiah is his son?
- Gizelle's an imp.
Gizelle's the devil.
Gizelle is evil.
- All true.
- I think the two of you need Jesus, Himself.
- I have Him. He is right here.
**
- We'll see you in a few hours.
- Coffee.
[squealing, laughing]
**
- I'm ready.
- Andrew.
- Well, Gizelle.
- How are you?
- I'm great. How are you?
- Oh, this is iconic. - Wow, you look beautiful.
- Who's sitting here? - Karen.
- Okay, okay. - Yeah, your-your good buddy.
- That'll be-- that'll be good. - You can kiki.
- Let's take pictures.
Just gonna take some quick pics, guys.
- Hello. Hi, everyone.
Um, why was I rushed?
Because literally, no one is here.
- We're gathering. - This was where--
- Hi. - Hi.
- Muah, muah.
- Nice to see you. - You, too.
- Yeah, I think you're here. - This one?
- Yeah. - Okay.
- I love the Mariah.
- You love Mariah? - Yeah, I actually do.
- Oh, hello. Hi.
- Hello.
- Where am I seated? Hi, family.
You guys look so good.
- Hi, Wendy. - Hello.
- Everyone looks so beautiful.
- Hi, baby. - I love the hair.
- Triple 20. - I don't like it. I love it.
- You love it?
**
- Here we go. Five, four, three to Andy.
- Hey, everybody, I am Andy Cohen,
and this is The Real Housewives of Potomac
Season 8 Reunion.
- Wow.
- Well, hello, Grande Dame and Gizelle.
This is a first.
[laughing] - I know, right? Hi, Gizzy!
- I know. - You two sitting next to each other.
- We're just best buds. - We've come a long way.
- We're BFFs. - We really have.
- Oh, Lord. Now, that's a push.
- I like to see it.
Hi, Robyn. You're looking especially glowy today.
- Hi, Andy. Thank you.
- Have you opened your skincare franchise yet?
- Not yet.
- Everyone get a discounted membership?
- Uh, sure. - Okay, that's nice.
Hey, Nneka, welcome to your first reunion.
- Thank you, Andy.
- How would you rate your first season experience?
[sighs] - Ten out of ten.
- All right. - A ten out of ten, Andy.
Yep.
- Well, Mamma Mia, we have a lot to talk,
uh, to you about tonight. - Hi, Andy.
- Oh, chile, chile, chile.
- Uh, you've been breaking the internet left and right...
- A little bit. - ...with your new DJ boyfriend.
[laughing]
- You are still married, correct?
- Yes. Okay.
- And I know Gordon will be out here later.
- He will. - Okay.
Hey, Candiace.
- Hi, Andy Cohen. - Good to see you.
- Great to see you.
- You've been working on some new music, right?
- I have. Yes. - Excellent.
Does that mean your plans to become a mom
are being pushed, again?
- Um, we're-- maybe.
No, I'm not sure. Ask me later.
- Okay.
- That's a yes.
- Okay. - Yes.
- Uh, hi, Wendy. - Hi.
- Did you hit a little of the devil's lettuce,
Happy Eddie, before taping today?
- You know what, no,
but he did promise afterwards
we will do a little celebratory devil's lettuce.
- Yes. - Nice.
Well, hi, Ashley.
- Hello, Andy Cohen.
- Any divorce news yet?
- Um, yes, there is. - Oh.
- I have some move-- I'm-I'm not divorced,
but I have some movement. - Okay.
- I feel like, every year, I used to ask Robyn,
"When's the wedding?"
And now, I ask you, "When's the divorce?"
- Yeah, I-I feel that. I feel that.
- Yeah.
- I'll be divorced first, for sure.
- Um... - Oh.
No, we don't want that. [laughing]
- Well, you know, I have to say
there is a lot to unravel here today.
Reunions are meant for hashing out the season,
and I think, while some friendships have healed
and even grown, others have faltered.
Now, I wanna set an intention for us today that as a group,
each of you can find a path
towards forgiveness and moving forward.
Our set today is a gallery of all you iconic women
inspired by your icon photo shoot
from the finale.
We hope that this can serve as a reminder
that you are all stronger together
than you are apart.
- Yes.
- Uh, Nneka, I know you weren't included in the spread
because you were new to Potomac,
uh, but I wanna let you know that we, of course,
included you today.
Here you are from your iconic Grande Dame inauguration
right behind you. - Yay!
[applause] - Very nice.
- Very lovely. Thank you.
- You know, I have to say, I love this show,
but, as a fan, it was somewhat frustrating
to watch this season because the show,
you know, is about finding common ground,
and it's about taking ownership of actions
as they affect others.
Are any of you willing to say now
that you feel prepared to do that tonight?
- Andy, I believe in these women,
um, each and every one of them.
I know they went through a lot, but I do believe
that these girls can pull through,
and I expect nothing less tonight.
- Okay.
- I'm looking forward, as well,
to owning what I need to own and moving forward.
- Anyone else? - Count me in.
- Good. - Yeah.
- Yeah, count me in, too. - Great.
- What about you, Gizelle, Robyn?
- Yeah, I'm looking forward to the ownership. Yeah.
- Okay, Robyn? - Sure.
- Okay. - Okay, very good.
- See, role call, Andy. - Okay, good.
- Yes. - Nneka's fine.
- Okay. - I'm cool.
[laughing]
- This season, although the group was sometimes at odds,
there was one topic
that always brought y'all together.
You know I'm talkin' about sex, right?
And although we're grateful the universal language of love
was able to get you all talking,
maybe there are some details
that would have been better left unsaid.
- Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
- Okay, well, let's watch and see. Let's see.
- Who, at the table, swallows?
- What?!
[laughing]
- I mean, I-I'm very good at it.
[gulping]
- We, for some reason, tend to bond
over nasty sexual conversations.
- I'm tryin' to understand how you start then stop.
- No, you wait until he falls asleep.
- Karen, how many sexual partners have you had
in the past five years?
- Is it wet dreams, too?
[laughing] - Okay, okay.
- I need to know. - Okay.
- Ooh, Karen done told on herself.
We all see her doin' the math in her head. Like--
She wasn't immediately like, "One."
- Ahh!
- I cannot believe these questions.
Sammy from Alhambra said, "Ashley, I was shocked
"by your admission that instead of swallowing,
"you wait for your man to fall asleep,
"and then spit it out." - Yeah. Yeah.
- "That is horrible.
"How long are you holding it in there?"
- Well, Andy, if you're giving it to him good,
he's probably gonna fall asleep within a minute.
So, you just hold it for a minute.
- Really? - You can, like,
put it in your hand.
- Yeah, you might as well just swallow.
- You might as well just swallow it, for sure.
- Yeah.
- Put it in your hand?
- I mean, just... - Gizelle.
- Has anyone else taken Robyn's swallowing advice?
- Absolutely not. - Has it changed any rela--
You have? - Yes.
- Really, with the DJ? - Yeah.
He's a radio personality.
- Okay. [laughing]
- You better get his title correct, okay?
- Okay. - For the record.
- Okay. Kiki from New Brunswick said,
"Karen, why did you have to pause for so long
"when asked how many sexual partners you've had?"
- Well, I had to count the wet dreams
'cause I asked does it matter,
and then Wendy said to me,
"Well, Karen, you can't have wet dreams."
So, anyway, I count my wet dreams.
Yes, Andy.
- In other words, you can't keep track of how many people
you've had sex with in the past five years.
- No, Robyn, that would be Juan, okay?
Next. - Okay, that would be you.
- I will say,
the times that you all start talking about sex,
all of your guards come down.
You all start laughing with each other.
Why do you think that is?
- 'Cause we're a bunch of horny toads.
[laughing] - Okay.
- There's a common denominator.
- Yeah.
- We all do it. - Yeah.
- We all have sex.
- And we're all women. That's-- you know.
- Yes.
Well, Robyn, you were raked through the coals
for hiding details about your marriage from the world.
And even though you made it very clear
that you don't care
about the never-ending Juan rumors,
your ex-friend, Candiace,
wouldn't let you off the hook that easily.
Let's watch.
- Where do we begin? Um...
Juan and the girl in Canada.
Now, we really know what's going on
beneath the surface.
- Ooh.
A young lady came forward, and she shows this, like,
hotel receipt with his name on it.
- You just got outed by the Canadian woman,
and now, five seconds later, in the laundromat
with a girl that you used to work with.
- There was another picture surfacing of Juan
in a nail salon, of all places.
- I fucked up. I'm too friendly. I'm too nice.
But Coach Bri is a beautiful, attractive woman.
- Ooh.
- That's a "fuck Juan" moment.
- I don't give a fuck.
- My heart hurts for you.
- So, what do y'all want me to do?
Get mad at him and scream and throw a shoe at him?
"Oh, my God, I can't believe
"you went to the nail salon with Brianna."
- There was a DM exchange, and you didn't read it.
- Juan no longer had the messages with her.
Like, he cleans his phone out like crazy.
Like, he deletes everything, okay?
You lost your job-- - Love you, Juan.
- Which is, like, devastating.
- Juan has been in the news lately
because a player being sexually harassed,
and he failed to report it.
- I know that he handled the situation
exactly the way I would want somebody to handle that.
- Your choices to speak on your legal matter
contributed to your husband having no job.
- I'm not feeding into it, Juan.
- Mmm.
- All right.
Did Juan watch back any of the season?
- No.
- He didn't. - Nuh-unh.
- So, just to be clear, you still stand by the fact
that Juan never cheated on you
with Canada girl,
Coach Bri, or anyone else
since you two had officially gotten back together?
- I-I can't say anything for certain.
**
- Coming up...
- So, the screenshots of your husband's limp penis
- So, just to be clear, you still stand by the fact
that Juan never cheated on you with Canada girl,
Coach Bri, or anyone else
since you two had officially gotten back together?
- I can't say anything for certain,
as no one in this world can say anything for certain
about what other people do.
- Okay.
- But based on what Juan shared with me
about the girl in Canada
and the stuff that I kind of heard after the fact,
I have many reasons to believe what he's telling me.
- Yeah. - That's true.
- I know that there were a lot of doubts within the group
about his story at the start of the season.
Who believes Juan's story? - Nobody.
- No one. - Andy, I don't think it's for us--
none of us believe it. - No.
- But Robyn believes it. That's all that matters.
- That's all that matters. - Okay.
- Robyn believes it. Robyn believes it.
- Okay. - And it's our job,
as her friends, to support her.
- To support her. - Okay.
- Can I ask one little thing? - Sure.
- When he said, like,
"Bri's like, a beautiful woman,"
did that bother you at all?
- No, because the point was,
if he had been at the laundromat
with someone who was not beautiful,
it wouldn't have been an issue.
- I got it. - Robyn has clearly stated
that she doesn't give a fuck.
- Right. - No, no, no.
- Wait a minute-- wait. - I give a fuck about
what anyone else's opinions are. - Right.
So, having said that, I don't give a fuck
about anything either, concerning Juan Dixon.
- Do you feel like he was supportive of you
throughout filming?
- Yes, he showed up. He answered questions.
- He's not showing up tonight.
- That's fine. Yeah. - Oh!
- He does not have a basketball game.
- Oh! - No, he doesn't.
He declined to be here. - Okay.
- Oh, Andy, that was shady. - Well, said, Andy.
- Well... - That doesn't mean
that he doesn't support me.
- Okay. - Whoo...
- Why is he not here, Robyn? - He doesn't know
that you're going to be under fire tonight...
- Not-- No. No, not-- - ...because of his actions?
The least he could do, as your husband,
is to stand behind you and say,
"Baby, you don't have to take all the bullets.
"I can take some, too."
- I don't-- I don't-- I'm fine with that.
- Ashley, you were in a similar position.
Michael did not wanna come to many reunions.
- Correct. He didn't wanna be under fire.
He didn't wanna have all these questions
and allegations toward him.
After he was, you know, caught to be unfaithful,
he did come. - Yes.
- As he should. - Yes, he did. He did.
- That's what he's supposed to do.
- We got a lot of feedback
about how you don't think it's suspicious
that Juan deletes his DMs and messages.
- So, he has a weird thing
with his phone being cluttered.
- Okay. - It's just--
- Do you have the password to his phone?
- No, and he doesn't have the password to mine.
- Okay.
Curious if now, after all y'all have heard,
you still have doubts or if you--
- For me, the issue was never
whether or not Juan was cheating.
My issue was, you kept information
about your marriage from the group
and demanded that the group share our personal lives.
- Where-- I mean-- - Can-can you clarify?
When have I demanded anything?
- The example that comes to mind immediately
is, in Mexico, last year,
when you accused Karen of not being truthful
about what was going on in her life.
- What you should care about, Karen,
is, people sending us actual pictures of you
with a blue-eyed man in Vegas at a bar!
That was after she talked about Juan
holding hands in Georgetown.
I didn't demand anything from her prior to that.
That was not going on in my marriage
while we were filming that season.
I chose not to talk about it, at that time,
because it wasn't relevant.
- You had a whole story going on.
Listen, I said what I said.
- I did not have a whole story going on.
- Okay. - I said-- no, you did,
and you sold it behind a Patreon wall.
- You did, and you didn't talk about it with the group...
- I thought we handled this in Texas.
- ...but then you sold it on Patreon.
- We did. - Okay.
- No. - Okay.
Don't you think that if you had gotten ahead of it
and said, "Juan and I had a blip about a year ago,
"and it was messed up,
and we survived it." - Horrible.
- But, okay. - I mean, don't you think
you would have helped yourself a lot? I mean--
- But, no, well, first of all,
I wasn't thinking about getting ahead of a story
that I thought could come out. - I know, but you also
were thinking... - It's the truth, though.
- ...that someone else was gonna bring it up.
You're on a reality show about your life.
- Yeah.
- How do you stay silent through the season?
- I was waiting for Karen to bring it up.
- You said you were waiting for me to reveal it.
- Not that I was waiting, but if you did,
I would not have been surprised.
- A prime example, when Raymond went through his taxes,
every-- you know, I put a little humor on it
and did a press conference with no press.
I'm never talking about it again.
It's done, okay? - Okay, just one question--
one question. - Oh, hold on, Ashley.
- Are you not-- are you being indicted at all?
[laughing]
- I got ahead of my story. - That was a public situation.
- It was in the paper, Karen. - It was in the paper.
- Yes. - You-yours is in the paper.
- It was in the "Washington Post."
- It was on the credit card paper.
It was on the credit card paper.
I think that the credit card paper
is more important than the "Washington Post."
- Okay, all right.
(BLEEP) on Twitter said,
"So, according to the fans and, I guess, Candiace
"via her fans,
"she's mad Robyn didn't share something personal
"that happened to her and Juan on the show.
"Yet, she was the one who said, back in season three,
"that her and Chris have the right to choose
"what they share on the show."
- Well, I'm not going to be answering any questions
from her friend. He's a blogger.
You shared proprietary information with him about me.
- Propri-- really? Proprietary? - Is it proprietary?
It wasn't proprietary. - It wasn't.
- You talked about her, your friend,
in group chats with him. - No, I did not.
No, I did not. - Talked about Gizelle to the guy?
- You have. - No, I did not.
- You have. You have. - All right. Well...
- Uh-oh. Wait a minute. - This is-- this is-- oh.
- You have. You have. - All right. Well...
- Uh-oh. Wait a minute. - This is-- this is-- oh.
- Wait, let me find it.
- Nothin' hits better than the posterboard.
- Oh, my God. - I was gonna bring an easel,
but that would have been too much.
- Yes. - So, this was the-
the moment where she ambushed you
and said that Juan yelled at you.
- Okay.
- And you put the video of Juan and Gizelle talking
in this group chat with two bloggers that I know of,
and you said, "I'm thinking about posting this on Sunday.
"Does this look like someone who is mad and upset?
"That shit really pissed me off."
So, you're pissed at your best friend.
- Mm-hmm. - And you're talking about it
in a group chat to bloggers. - Oh, my God.
- Okay. - Gizelle, are you mad?
- No, not at all, and I don't--
I-I mean, obviously, she's mad. I'm not mad.
If anybody should be mad, it should be me.
- Did you know about it?
- Robyn and I talked. - Yeah, I told her.
- Julia from Long Beach said,
"Candiace, after watching the season back
"and all the conversations you had with Robyn,
"do you still believe she conspired with Gizelle
"and Ashley to malign Chris in an effort to protect Juan?"
- I do. Yes. - No way. You can't.
- Why can't she? That's how she feels.
- Because the facts. - I think that--
I think that she knew that by talking about my business,
it would keep her business under the table.
- I can't. I can't, y'all. - We are in the here and now.
- Yeah.
- What do you need from Robyn to move forward?
And I wanna ask you the same question.
- Hmm. Hmm. - I...
I don't have any tissue. - I do.
- Oh, not tears. - Hurry up.
- Gizelle.
- Fuck you! - I do. Okay, come on.
- Fuck you. - Come on.
- Fuck you. - Tears, tears, tears, tears.
- Okay, come on. - Them fake tears be comin'.
[laughing] - Okay.
- You don't need to be a mean girl. Stop, stop.
- Okay. - I mean, and I wanna say--
- Hold on. Hold on.
I-I just wanna hear from her, and then I wanna hear from you.
I'm trying to... - Okay.
- Tears. - Gizelle, it's about Robyn and Candiace.
- That was kind of mean, Gizelle.
- It was mean girl. - It was kind of mean?
- That was kind of mean.
- She's a fucking bitch. - All right, okay.
- It's not a good look. Stop, stop.
- Okay, okay. - I would like--
all I need from my friends, is acknowledgement.
I just needed her to acknowledge
that there was a difference,
because it hurt not just me.
It hurt Chris
because Chris also considered Robyn a friend.
- Okay, and what would you need from her?
- Honestly, I don't want anything from her
as far as an apology.
Clearly, she thinks that I plotted on her husband.
- So, I-- this is-- - I would advise,
if you really feel that way, to not be my friend.
- As she has said. - Okay.
- So, I think that-- I think Robyn needs self-accountability
from Candiace on her end. - Yeah.
- And I think Candiace is looking for transparency
on Robyn from her end.
That's what I'm hearing. - Well, we'll see if we do.
We're not gonna get there now. - Yeah.
- Has Juan found another job? - No.
He decided to volunteer at my oldest son's
high school basketball team.
He's a freshman on varsity.
And the team just recently won their first championship.
The first championship in 31 years.
- Oh, wow, that's great. - Oh, wow!
- He had an undefeated conference season.
- That's great. - So that was really
fulfilling to him. - Yeah.
- Like bas-- coaching basketball is his passion.
- Yeah. - And so that was
a really good way to spend time with our son.
- To see your son, yeah.
- But also to kinda, like, scratch that --
- I-Is he looking to coach high school next?
- Um, he will-- He loves college.
- Yeah. - He really does.
So, he would like to get back into college coaching.
- So, I wanna give you the floor here
to say any last words on your marriage.
What do you think viewers don't understand?
[sighs]
- We've been in each other's lives 28 years, right?
- 20-- Going on 28. - Okay.
- And over the length of a long period of life,
people in relationships go through shit.
- Facts. - Sure do.
- And it's really up to you.
Do I wanna, like, thug it out with this person?
- Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
- What we want, is our family.
We want to be each other's best friends.
- That's clear.
- We are each other's biggest supporter.
- That is clear. - Yeah.
- So, we go through highs. We go through lows.
We go through it all. - Are you guys happy together?
- We are happy together. - Yeah?
- Yeah. I feel like when you decide
we're in this for the long haul,
you really are in it for the long haul.
- Yes. - Yeah, yeah.
- I know that's right. - I like that.
- Amen. - Well said.
- I mean, really, y'all should do a two-hour special
on Juan Dixon's life. It's very intriguing.
- Oh, wow. All right.
Well, Karen, as the designated fence humper of the group,
this season, you often found yourself caught in the middle.
And while you gave it your all, unfortunately,
no amount of humping seemed to bring back
the love amongst friends.
Take a look.
- Triple 20, triple 20, triple 20.
Unh, unh, unh. - And we got comments
that say triple 20, triple 20.
- What the hell is a triple 20?
- She about to be 60, honey.
- I want good energy around me,
and so I'm working with PAVE, again.
I was sworn in as ambassador,
shattering the silence against sexual assault.
It does not surprise me that in this very, very room,
we have women who have been sexually assaulted.
- What we're doing, is triggering.
I know this is why I take shit out on Jacqueline
because she left me there.
- Last year, the narrative that she put forth,
as it relates to how I treat people differently
based off the color of their skin,
it's caused hundreds of death threats.
- I can't ignore, when Candiace is in the room,
you're much quieter.
- Nothing good will ever come from me speaking to Candiace.
- Gizelle's words
had a grave effect on my marriage.
- Chris made me feel completely uncomfortable.
He's a sneaky link.
- You cannot make up lies
and expect not to get your ass handed to you.
- She invited Candiace and Wendy.
So, I won't be attending.
When it comes to the two of them,
you never see the other person's
point of view.
- I am not the problem.
You have a problem with my friend.
Handle it. I have my hands full.
I'm busy.
- Harper from Dallas said,
"Karen, you look great at triple 20.
"Did you get a facelift?
"Because you've been posting some very snatched face pics
"on the 'gram recently."
- Absolutely, I did a deep plane,
and I just look like me, refreshed.
- You look good. - Wait, so just face,
or did we do a little...? - Oh, nothing on the body,
'cause I'm done with the body.
You know, my body is me. - Oh.
- Bangin'.
- All right, so Karen, we've been through this
once before. I wanna... try again.
Can you explain your tagline.
What does it mean to be the fence,
and how do we all ride you?
- I'll say that because I am Switzerland,
quite often in this group,
uh, it's quite easy to say,
"Karen, make it right."
And, when you put me in the middle to make it right
and I see two wrongs,
I'm just gonna try and make the situation right
between both.
So, they both get on me and they hump me.
I'm doing the Lord's work.
You have no idea!
- Karen, circling back on you being the fence of the group,
why do you think the group
gets frustrated with you for remaining neutral?
- I don't think they get frustrated with me.
I-I think they actually enjoy coming for me.
- No. - Wendy and Candiace,
do you think Karen is a fence humper?
- I do not-- well, yes, she's a fence humper.
- Well, yes, I think she's a fence humper.
- Okay. - But she doesn't change
who she is around any of us. - I don't.
- Viv from Louisiana said, "I think what you're doing
"with the Surry legacy is so inspiring.
"How did you convince Val to sell you the land?
"And when can we expect, uh, the house to be open
"for visitors?"
- Aunt Val is a hard person to sell on anything.
She has been, you know, the front door keeper
of this land for many, many years,
since my grandfather passed away.
So I had to gain her trust.
And then I had to write a check.
And I bought the land.
And I'm glad to be her neighbor.
And it will be opening 2025.
- Yay! - Congratulations, Karen.
- Thank you. - Very proud of you.
- That's good. - Exciting.
- Alex from Boston said, "Karen, I love you."
- Love you, too. - "But you know damn well
"there was no fish bowl for the Surry invitations.
"And definitely no insurance policy.
"Who gets insurance
"for their friends to visit their house?"
- Let's be very clear.
Liability is very important around these women.
- Okay. - Okay.
And this house is 104 years old.
- Mm-hmm. - Okay.
- So, not only did I need liability,
because they never stay put where they're supposed to be.
I'm like, if I invite all the girls at one time...
- Okay. - They'll [indistinct].
- It's too much. - I'll have to-- exactly.
Increase the liability.
- I wanna switch gears and talk about something
that did bring the group together.
- Yes, I hope so.
- Um, it was the PAVE event that you hosted.
- Oh, my God, yeah.
- We got some amazing feedback on that episode.
It was brave of all of you
to share your stories, by the way.
Did you have any idea, Karen, how many women
in the friend group had experienced sexual assault?
- I did have somewhat of an idea
because I am friends with these women,
and I care about them.
And I'm just so proud of each and every one of you
who decided to share,
because you empowered so many women by doing so.
So, thank you.
- Where do you and Jacqueline stand today?
- So, Jacqueline and I are-- are actually probably closer.
- Oh, that's great. - Yes.
- Yeah, we talk every day, a couple times a day.
- That's great. - Good.
- Yeah. - Okay. Gizelle.
- Yes. - You blamed Candiace,
uh, for death threats that you received.
- Oh. - Why did you choose
not to confront her about it during the season?
Did you ever consider, like, texting her
and being like-- - Well, no.
- "This isn't even play anymore?"
- Well, I-- I was told that she would be talked to.
- I wanna know what-- how it is my fault
that people are crazy enough to threaten her life.
- The color of my skin
caused, uh, many people to directly say,
"Oh, you are a colorist, and I'm coming to kill you.
"Oh, you are a colorist.
"I'm coming to your house to kill your children."
So, it was-- it's-it's a direct connect.
As I have watched the show, it's, "Fuck Gizelle,
"fuck Gizelle, fuck Gizelle.
"Gizelle's an imp. Gizelle's the devil.
"Gizelle is evil.
"Gizelle is raggedy-ass, nasty-ass Gizelle.
"Gizelle should be fired." - All true.
- So, it's kinda like, um...
I-I've answered your question about the death threats,
but since we're here...
- Everyone up here, I believe,
has received some form of a death threat.
I think it is dangerous and extremely unfair
to conflate me having an issue with her,
with her then receiving death threats.
- Just wanna say that, um-- - No, no, no, because--
- But are you-- let me ask you this.
- I just-- - The people who are tweeting this stuff to her,
are you liking the tweets
and thumbs upping the tweets?
- I have liked some tweets. Yes.
- Okay, well, then that does involve you then.
- It's incessant, week after week, after week,
after week, after week. It's incessant.
- It's no different than her going on her podcast
and talking about me.
- We talked about Candiace and her husband one time
'cause it on the blogs. - One too many.
- A husband sending-- - Yeah.
- Pictures of their private parts.
- Penises, yes.
- Why do they entertain these thirsty women?
- Some of these guys are miserable.
- Laughing, and joking, and adding sauce--
- Nobody laughed. - Okay.
- To a lie, to a rumor.
- So, the screenshots are photoshopped?
- I don't know what screenshots you're talking about.
- The screenshots of your husband's limp--
limp penis and the-- - What? What?
- And the multiple voice memos they exchanged
back and forth? - What are we doing?
- Laughing, and joking, and adding sauce--
- Nobody laughed. - Okay.
- To a lie, to a rumor is disparaging.
- So, the screenshots are photoshopped?
- I don't know what screenshots you're talking about.
- The screenshots of your husband's limp-- limp penis.
- I don't know what you're talking about.
- The brown-- - What? Why do I know?
- Well, is it-- is it a brown dick?
- No, it's white and brown. - It's, yes, it's brown. Yes.
- Oh, my God, not again.
- That-- was circulated over and over again.
- Yes. - The woman is a liar.
- Oh, yeah, didn't-
didn't that woman come out and say, "I made it up?"
- I don't think she said that she photoshopped anything.
- Yes. - She said she made it up.
- But then she retracted. - No. No.
- She came back and said-- - The bottom line is--
- I think she's a little loony, y'all.
- She doesn't have all her marbles.
- And she said she lied-- and I'm sorry.
We are above anyone that would lie on any of us.
- All I heard was "limp dick." - Okay.
- I heard "limp dick." - I mean, I-I would--
I would love to see it. - Okay. All right.
- Was it a limp dick? - Um, I wanna move on.
- I have never seen-- - Um, I wanna move on.
This is-- this is interesting,
and I wanna see if we are-- - No, I am not.
- Hey, guys. Guys.
We are breaking in 15 minutes.
- Oh, okay. - And I wanna see
if we can get somewhere with Candiace and Gizelle,
as impossible as that may be. - Good luck.
- I-- Andy, I-- honestly, I have--
I have seen and heard enough. - We need more time.
- We started the reunion,
and you charged us with being honest, being open,
and doing what we could to move forward.
- Okay, okay. - She has expressed,
through her actions and her words,
that she is not interested in moving forward. I don't--
I don't think that it is in anyone's best interest--
- I don't think she said that. Did she say that?
- ...to-to hash out anything more with her.
- What I said, was a laundry list of things.
"Gizelle is an imp. Gizelle's the devil.
"Gizelle is evil.
"Gizelle is raggedy-ass, nasty-ass Gizelle.
"Gizelle should be fired." - All true.
- It seems like both of you have said a lot,
and I just wonder if there's one thing
you both can be accountable for here
and present to the other.
- Sure. I was informed last reunion--
I hate that, uh, we are rehashing this, again.
- So do I.
- That they did not like the sneaky link comment,
and I apologized for it.
- It seems bigger when you say he did something.
You know what I mean? - And that he's a sneaky link.
- She-she was-- - I said--
for calling you that, Chris, I apologize.
- Okay, is there anything else, 'cause you've established
that that happened? Is there any--
- I haven't done anything else to her.
I haven't talked to her! The end!
- She's done nothing else to me.
The end. She's done nothing else.
- Gina from Illinois said,
"Candiace, after the PAVE event aired,
"you tweeted this.
"'It's triggering to watch a woman who accused someone
"of sexual assault speaking about sexual assault.'
"I thought it was sad that you made a powerful moment
"about your issue with Gizelle,
"who never accused your husband of sexual assault."
- Well, she did accuse him of sexual assault.
- No, I did not. - Multiple times.
- No, I did not. - Um, mincing words...
- No, I did not. - Using wordplay...
Saying, quote, "He made me go into a hotel room."
- No, I did not.
- It goes on and on. - Wendy, in a court of law,
is that considered sexual assault,
those allegations? - Nneka's the lawyer.
- I was gonna say she's the attorney.
- I'm sorry. I'm-I'm-- I'm looking at the degrees.
- And he's the host. And he's the host.
- I'm looking at the degrees, but it--
- And he-- and he's the host, and he asked the question.
- But would it? - I don't think that amounts
to a sexual assault. - Okay.
- Yeah, I-I wouldn't consider the situation
sexual assault, Candiace. - Accusing--
- Because it's not. - He didn't--
- Accusing my husband-- - He didn't physically touch her.
He didn't say anything inappropriate.
- Of making her feel uncomfortable.
- ...of forcing her to go into a hotel room.
- I never said he forced me. Never said he forced me.
- It leads-- "He made me go into a hotel room."
- Yeah, I don't know. - Which was the--
the latest iteration of what she is saying.
- No. - Never said he forced me, ever.
- The fact that I have to defend this, is insane.
- Let me have the last say in this, and then we can wrap this up
because we need to be respectful of those survivors
and-and those victors. - Yeah, that's one thing that we're not doing here.
Right. - I will say that words do matter.
I will say that it's left up to interpretation
to end the story.
And I think, if you could both look at that--
- Me? I didn't say, "Lured." - And Candiace.
- I didn't say, "Forced." - The words actually are not sexual assault.
- I didn't say any of that. I said, "Asked me." Period.
- But I understand where you're coming from.
- The implication is sexual assault. - The implication is left--
no, it's not the implication. - He asked.
- It's the fact that people are left to draw a conclusion.
- And they did. - No, the conclusion is,
he asked me to go into the room. In my life--
- But, Gizelle, can you say it, right here,
that Chris did not sexually assault her?
Maybe that'll make her happy. - Okay, what I've said,
was that the man asked me to go into a room.
- I don't-- I don't want to hear what you think you said.
- And he-- that made me uncomfortable.
- We-- what you said, is on tape.
We've heard this.
- I'm not apologizing for things I've never said.
- Am I crazy?
- I have not lied about a thing.
- Thirdly-- right. - You-you have lied.
- No, I have not. - Thirdly--
- You're-you're a big-ass liar, is what you are.
- I have not lied about a thing.
- You're a big liar. You're a big liar.
- Okay, we're not gonna-- - Is it name calling time?
It's name calling time. - So-so, did he force you into a hotel room?
- Okay, all right. No, no.
- Did he force you into a hotel room or not?
- It's name calling time. - Stop it.
- Okay. - Can we ask this? - It's name calling time.
- We've heard this. - I'm not apologizing for things I've never said.
- Am I crazy? - I have not lied about a thing.
- Thirdly-thirdly-- right. - You-you have lied.
- No, I have not. - Thirdly--
- You're-you're a big-ass liar.
- We're not gonna-- - Is it name calling time?
It's name calling time. - So-so, did he force you into a hotel room?
- Okay, all right. No, no.
- Did he force you into a hotel room or not?
- It's name calling time. - Stop it.
- Okay. - Can we ask this?
Can we ask this? - It's name calling time.
He knew my room was empty. - Am I-- am I making this up?
- He asked me to go. - I'm not making this up.
- He asked-- he made-- that made me feel uncomfortable.
- Okay, okay. - Verbatim, she said--
- Are you referring to the interview
or confessional where she said the words,
"Made me go?" - Yes.
- If-if I'm misquoting, please correct me.
- In an interview bite, you said, "Made me."
- No, I didn't. - You did.
- Yes, you did. - The producers are telling me that you did.
- Candiace, last year, I told you,
your husband made me feel uncomfortable
because he made me go into a bedroom
and close the door. That is what happened.
- He didn't make-- - So, what about all the things
that she tweets about me?
- Consequences of your actions!
- If Gizelle holds herself accountable,
what are you willing to hold yourself accountable for?
- Thank you, Wendy. - Yes.
- Thank you.
- I can hold myself accountable for the response.
- Accountability inspires accountability.
- It does. It does. - So, if I said--
I didn't know what was happening or "made," no.
Uh, he asked me.
He didn't make me. He asked me.
- Can you accept that, Candiace?
[sighs] - Sure.
- It always takes somebody. Someone always to make a move.
- And it's, no, it's-it's not a victory.
It's not a victory. I understand
that you were upset by my choice of words
in referring to you.
Sit up here with your privileged,
white-looking ass, and you think you can say
whatever the fuck you wanna say,
and no one is going to bat an eyelash!
- Okay, wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait.
- I should not have used those words to describe you.
I'm sorry that your children have dealt with death threats.
- Not randomly. - I don't take responsibility
for the death threats
because we have all received them
at the hands of things that each of us have said,
but I am sorry that that was happening to you.
- Okay, progress. - Okay, it's a starting point.
You know, I've had issues with every woman in this group,
except for Nneka. - Well, she-she--
should take responsibility for doing it.
- It's-it's a starting point.
Okay, Rome was not built in a day. Okay.
- We're gonna leave it there.
Um, Karen, you claim to be neutral.
- Oh, yeah. I am.
I'm for what's right. I'm not neutral.
- You do kind of seem like you're always comin' for
Robyn a little bit. [laughing]
- Oh, she loves Robyn. - Well, that-that's something
Robyn and I do very well with one another.
- What kinda pie is she?
- Uh... frozen.
- We got out the freezer.
- Thought I was out the freezer.
- Yeah, she's thawed. Thawed.
- We are out of the freezer. - Thawed and tossed out.
- I just wanna say, I don't ever--
- You asked me what kind of pie was she?
She was a frozen apple.
- Any intentions of removing-- - She's a frozen apple pie.
- The quarter pie that is frozen?
- You-- so you do realize a quarter pie is still there.
- Is it still there? - Yes.
- Okay. - But, it's apple pie,
and there's hope.
- Robyn, can you say three nice things about Karen?
- Damn. - She doesn't have to.
It's fine. - No. Yeah, come on.
- Well, somebody has to start. So, who is gonna start it?
[sighs] - You can do it.
You can do it. - Okay, all right.
Karen is witty. - Mm-hmm.
- Oh, thank you. - Um, Karen looks great, 60,
or 40, or 30, or 20, whatever. - Triple 20.
- Thank you. Thank you. - All right.
- It's not about her age. She looks great.
Um, and she is a great mother.
- Thank you. - Yes.
- I love that.
- Um, can you say three nice things about Robyn?
- Yes. Yes, I-- - No, she can't.
- Yes, she can. - Okay, okay.
- You can't speak for me. - She can.
- Please. Okay. - I'm not you.
Um, she's a good friend to Gizelle.
She really is.
Uh, Robyn is intelligent.
- Okay. - I-I-- she is.
Um, she's interestingly strategic
in her woe is me cries.
- No, no, that's not-- yeah. - But-but overall,
Robyn is a very nice person.
- Okay, so, tell me this. - She's not evil. - Okay.
- Just tell me this, really quickly.
- I'm-I'm not using that word. - Just tell me this.
If your friend, someone that you had a good friendship with,
took to social media and "Watch What Happens Live"
and repeatedly told the world
that you, uh, were in cahoots with other people
to plot on her husband, to cover up for yours,
would you be okay with that? Just hon-- answer it honestly,
if someone did that to you. - Robyn, that has been done to me.
I'm still smilin' with each and every one of you.
- No, it has-- no, it hasn't been done to you.
- Yes, it has. - No, it hasn't.
- In another shape or form. - But-but you wouldn't--
- My point is, I rise above it--
- But would you be okay with it when it happens?
- Because the objective is to bring the best of us
to the viewing audience. - See? This is--
This is not even humping the fence. Like, she's not able--
- I am the fence. - You're not-- you're not--
- Robyn, I'm not on trial, you are.
- You're not able to look at things when it come to me.
- Yeah, be fair. - Okay, I'm sorry?
- When it comes to me, you're not able
to objectively look at things.
- Robyn, because I have a problem with you.
One minute, you're putting a, uh, boombox on the table.
Next minute, you're calling my name out-- - Of someone's actual words.
- ...on Andy Cohen's show to tell your story.
I didn't-- I didn't make up stuff about the person.
- But then you're sitting on the side of a curb...
- See? And right, you can't-- - ...crying, and wanting me
to care about it. - So, you don't hump the fence.
- You've gotta give me something to work with.
And I am the fence that will work with you.
- No, you don't hump the fence because if it was--
- I am the fence. - If it was done to you,
you wouldn't like it. - I have told you that.
Can I get-- yes, there's a picket fence.
- You wouldn't like it. - But had you come to my farm,
the girls will tell you, I built an 80-foot fence.
- Yes.
- Eight feet high because I am the fence.
- All right. We're gonna leave it there.
We will be right back after this.
- Can't respect it, at all.
- Oh, is it lunchtime? - And I'm dehydrated.
- What time is it? - Can we get up?
- It is. It's lunchtime. Good job, everyone.
- Yay! Yay! - Is this a lunch?
Is this a what? What is this?
- Lunch. - Lunch.
- Okay. - Okay.
- Hi, sunshine.
- You guys, they wanna take my pictures.
Y'all wanna go now, since my makeup is fresh?
Okay.
- Yeah, 'cause he was FaceTiming me back to back,
to back, to back, to back, like something was wrong but...
- Coming up...
Gordon alleged that Jeremiah may not be his son.
Does Inc think Jeremiah is his son?
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- Okay, G! How you doin', G?
- I'm fine, dear. How you doin'?
I like that black and white. - Oh, thank you, G.
[sighs]
- I-I'm feeling it.
- What is happening? - I don't have a mic. Can you hear me?
[squealing]
- Mia, Mia. What's up?
- Hey, babe.
- You like?
- The legs are out.
- Thighs out? - Thighs are out.
Everything-- everything's out. - How you feelin'?
- I'm feeling good.
- Thank you. Thank you, baby.
Gordon is here. - Yeah, what's up, Gordon?
Inc said, "What's up, Gordon?"
- Hey, Inc, how you doin', man?
- Yes, sir. Gotta represent.
- All right, well, I love you, and I'll call you later.
- Love you more. - Muah. Bye.
- Peace.
- Okay, now let's go get some lunch.
- Oh, sorry, Wendy.
Oh, my God, I'm so sorry, girl.
- They'll say anything to get us started,
and to get us started again.
Then we see ourselves looking huck-a-buck.
- Huck-a-buck? - Huck-a-buck?
- See, Andy, you have-- you gotta come to Surry.
- We are back with
The Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion.
Let's talk about Mia. - Mia.
- Oh, great. - Oh, chile.
- Mia, you endured an incredibly challenging year
in your personal and professional life.
And although businesses can be rebuilt,
you discovered that no amount of work
could save a crumbling marriage. Watch.
- Moving out of the big house,
we can no longer afford $10,000 a month
with everything that was going on
with our businesses.
- Mia, all of your businesses were taken away
from you and G by his brothers.
- We are literally living off of our savings.
The attorney that handled our sale...
- Yeah.
- He basically stole money from us.
Shortly after that, he killed himself.
[groans]
All of the financial strain on our household
is causing a lot of tension inside of our marriage.
We did get to a point where I was ready to divorce you.
You would have gave me some type of settlement.
- No, we would probably work out
some kind of arrangement that's mutually beneficial.
- The first time I hired a divorce attorney,
Gordon emptied my bank account.
I had actually retained a lawyer
to file for divorce.
- What? - I know.
- When Mia the stripper got with Gordon,
maybe she really thought she was gonna be able to
sit back and live a life of leisure?
- I heard that you're fucking a rapper.
- First of all, it's not a rapper.
[laughing]
- It's all good.
I cried. It-it worked out good.
- Gordon reached out just talking about
that they are getting a divorce.
That's when we started to see things online,
and it was like, oh, so... shit's really happening.
- You've been cheating for several years.
- No, Gordon, Gordon. - Jeremiah said,
"I saw mommy sleeping with Mr. Inc."
- So what? So what? So was Michael and Ashley.
- Okay, first, he doesn't wanna be called (BLEEP).
[laughing] We can start there.
His name is Inc. Inc was someone from my past.
- Okay.
- When I noticed Gordon was just not quite himself.
Babe, you went through a whole depression.
- Well-well, I went through a depression. Yeah.
- You sat on that sofa for two months.
To see you like that, it was really, really hard.
And we started to argue,
and I just won't allow my children to hear
mommy and daddy arguing.
- I had a prostate cancer.
My things, organs,
weren't workin' like they used to.
On my 70th birthday, I said,
"You know, if you find someone
that you think you want to start spending time with,
I want you to know I'm okay with that,
but I have two rules.
One, be discreet.
Two, don't get the kids involved."
And in this case, you did both.
- If you gave me your blessing,
then why are you so upset?
- Did not include him 'cause he's been in there
tryin' to break up our marriage.
Tell me, why did (BLEEP) think
that Jeremiah was his kid?
- Gordon, that's not fair. That's not fair.
Let tell me tell you. Let tell me--
- Go-- If you want fair, go to a carnival.
- It is a lot. It is a lot.
Tell me, where are you living now?
- So, I do have a penthouse apartment in Washington, DC.
Even though it's the smallest space I've been in,
in the past several years-- - Okay.
- I'm in the happiest place, you know.
- Okay, that's good. - Good.
- Amen. - Where's Gordon living now?
- So, Gordon has an apartment in Charlotte,
but he is relocating
right across the street in his own condo.
- Okay, let's talk about Mr. Inc.
You two were high school sweethearts?
- Yeah. - Nice.
So, why did you break up?
- He went back to Atlanta because he wanted to pursue
his career in radio. - Okay, yes.
- And I wasn't willing to leave my job.
And at the time, I was in school.
- Yeah. - And then, eventually,
distance played a role.
- Okay, so, then you drifted apart
due to distance. - Mm-hmm.
- You find your way to Gordon.
And then, during this whole time,
were you in touch with Mr. Inc?
- So, we have kept in touch here and there,
but nothing serious.
There was only one occasion
that we did, like, rekindle the flame.
- So, you were with G, then.
- I was. - Yes.
- Mia, can I say something about that?
And I'm just telling you this full disclosure
because I don't know
who Gordon is talking to and what Gordon is saying,
but one of the things that Gordon did say,
was that Inc came to your house
and was trying to take Jeremiah
because he believed that that was his son.
- Does Inc think Jeremiah is his son?
- Girl, I'm done. - He does.
- He does? - Still?
- Inc thinks that Jeremiah is his.
- Next time,
on "The Real Housewives of Potomac" reunion...
Sorry to hear about your dad passing.
- I was there with him when he took his last breath.
- It's okay. It's okay.
- We're gonna bring the husbands out.
- You had sent screenshots.
- Had you ever met the person?
- I have nothing to say on it.
- I know the fans have questions.
- Yeah.
- But I wanna share something with you that, uh,
some of you may have suspected.
[dramatic music playing]
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