>>> I'M SO LOYAL TO PEOPLE. MAYBE I'M LOYAL TO A FAULT.
I'M SO LOYAL TO PEOPLE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SLIGHTLY IS DISLOYAL TO
ME, I LOOK UPON IT AS A GREAT ACT OF HONOR.
>> THEY SAY I'M MR. TRUMP'S PITBULL, HIS RIGHT-HAND MAN.
I'VE BEEN CALLED MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.
I'M A LOYAL EMPLOYEE.
>> HE HAS BEEN KEEPING HIS PROMISES.
HE IS THE ONLY POLITICIAN THAT DARED TO SAY THINGS THAT WE
DIDN'T EVEN DREAM OF.
>> YOU SEE THAT AMERICA LOVES PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> TRUMP WILL WIN. HE IS THE PRESIDENT.
HE IS IN CHARGE OF THIS COUNTRY.
>> SOME DAY I'D LIKE TO MAYBE LOSE EVERYTHING FOR A PERIOD OF
TIME TO SEE WHO IS LOYAL AND WHO IS NOT LOYAL.
>> I AM A SHAME
>> I AM A SHSHAMED OF MY WEAKNE AND MISPLACED LOYALTY, THE
THINGS I DID FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT AND PROMOTE
HIM.
>> COHEN FLIPPING ON THE PRESIDENT COULD BE A SEISMIC
EVENT.
>> PEOPLE MAKE UP STORIES. THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT FLIPPING
THEY CALL IT, IT ALMOST OUGHT TO BE OUTLAWED.
IT'S NOT FAIR.
>> A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT IN GEORGIA'S ELECTION INTERFERENCE
CASE. SIDNEY POWELL IS PLEADING
GUILTY. SHE'S AGREED TO TESTIFY AGAINST
OTHER PEOPLE. IT'S OBVIOUSLY DEVASTATING NEWS
TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT. KEN EDGE CHESEBRO WHO HELPED
ORCHESTRATE THE FAKE ELECTOR PLOT IN GEORGIA TOOK A PLEA
DEAL.
>> ELLIS JOINS POWELL IN PLEADING GUILTY.
>> I HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY ALREADY.
I NOW TAKE RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE THIS COURT AND APOLOGIZE TO THE
PEOPLE OF GEORGIA. THANK YOU.
>> MARK MEADOWS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF, GRANTED
IMMUNITY TO TESTIFY ACCORDING TO ABC NEWS.
>> THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN ON DONALD TRUMP.
>> TRUMP IS PREPARING TO DEFEND HIMSELF IN THE COURTS AND TRIES
TO WIN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.
>> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SHOWN A PATTERN OF ATTACKING
PEOPLE WITHIN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
>> THIS IS A RIGGED DEAL. IT'S A RIGGED COURT.
I TELL YOU, IT'S A DISGRACE.
>> DONALD TRUMP IS BASICALLY IMITATING WHAT HE THINKS A MOB
BOSS DOES.
>> ATTACKING PROSECUTORS, JUDGES, WITNESSES.
>> IT DOES FEEL LIKE A MAFIA STORY.
>> CAPONE ONLY GOT INDICTED ONCE.
I GOT INDICTED FOUR TIMES.
>>> FANCY.
>> THIS WAS REALLY GOOD.
>> THAT'S REALLY GOOD. HERE YOU ALL DON'T HAVE ONE OVER
THERE. TAKE THIS.
>> IT'S REALLY QUITE A SCENE. LOOK AT THIS.
>> IS THIS THE APPETIZER? [ LAUGHTER ]
>> LET'S OFFER A TOAST TO THE ONE AND ONLY LAWYER WHOSE
PRESENCE I CAN TOLERATE MORE THAN 20 MINUTES AT A TIME.
>> THAT'S HIGH PRAISE.
>> LAST TIME WE WERE WITH ANDREW WEISSMANN IN THE EARLY SPRING OF
2023, THE FIRST INDICTMENT WAS KICKING OFF.
>> A SPRING BUD. NOW THAT BUD HAS BECOME --
>> THAT WAS THE BRAGG CASE. MANHATTAN D.A., PORN STAR, HUSH
MONEY CASE. IN SIX MONTHS OR SO SINCE THEN,
TRUMP'S LEGAL SITUATION HAS GOTTEN WORSE.
FOUR INDICTMENTS IN FOUR DIFFERENT VENUES.
TWO FEDERAL. THIS CASE ON THE INSURRECTION IN
WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS IN FLORIDA,
TWO ARE STATE IN GEORGIA AND NEW YORK.
>> 91 COUNTS.
>> 91 FELONY COUNTS.
>> IT'S LIKE THIS TABLE.
>> BRING IT ON.
>> STARTING WITH THE STORMY DANIELS CASE, YOUR PHONE LIGHTS
UP. THIS IS THE ONE.
WHAT HAPPENED POLITICALLY? HE HAS GOTTEN STRONGER.
JUST AMAZING.
>> IT HASN'T AFFECTED HIM IN THE PRIMARIES.
WE THOUGHT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION --
>> WHAT'S SCARY IS WHEN SOMETHING IS INEXPLICABLE.
THAT'S SORT OF INEXPLICABLE THAT EVEN AFTER ALL THE INDICTMENTS,
THERE'S BEEN A SPADE OF POLLS THAT HAVE TRUMP BEATING BIDEN IN
2024.
>> IF TRUMP IS ELECTED, THE FEDERAL CASES GO AWAY.
THEY ARE JUST DONE. WHOEVER THE PRESIDENT IS
CONTROLS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
DONALD TRUMP WILL SAY, DROP THE CASES.
THOSE ARE OVER. THE STATE CASES WILL BE ON HOLD,
BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT WILL LIKELY SAY, IF YOU ARE THE
PRESIDENT, YOU CAN'T HAVE STATE CASES.
THERE'S A POLITICAL SOLUTION TO ALL OF THIS FROM TRUMP'S
PERSPECTIVE. YOU CAN GET OUT OF THIS BY
WINNING THE ELECTION.
>> I THINK ANDREW RAISED THE RIGHT QUESTION.
IS TRUMP EVER GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO ACCOUNT LEGALLY FOR
WHAT NOW APPEAR TO BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CRIMES?
WILL IT HAPPEN IN A TIME FRAME THAT WILL MATTER AHEAD OF THE
ELECTION? THE CASE THAT IS MOST IN THE
NEWS IS THE GEORGIA CASE. THE WILLIS CASE, 19 DEFENDANTS.
THESE TWO DEFENDANTS, CHESEBRO AND POWELL, THEY WERE SUPPOSED
TO START THEIR TRIAL TODAY. WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK?
>> THEY PLED GUILTY.
>> THE FORMER PRESIDENT NOW FACES A PROSPECT OF BOTH POWELL
AND CHESEBRO TAKING THE WITNESS STAND AGAINST HIM.
>> THESE ARE BOTH KEY PLAYERS THAT NOBODY EXPECTED TO FOED.
THAT NOBODY EXPECTED TO FOELD.
>> THEY GOT A GREAT DEAL. IF THEY LIVE BY THEIR AGREEMENT,
THEY WILL NOT SPEND A DAY IN JAIL.
>> WILL SHE PUT THESE OUT TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO COME IN.
>> YOU DO.
>> THERE WAS DOUBT WHETHER TRUMP WOULD GET IN THE DOCK BEFORE
ELECTION DAY. BOTH FEDERAL CASES HAVE COURT
DATES BEFORE THE ELECTION. THE INSURRECTION IN WASHINGTON,
D.C., THE FIRST ONE, SCHEDULED TO START MARCH 4th.
>> THE DAY BEFORE SUPER TUESDAY.
>> SEEMS LIKE JUDGE CHUTKAN, SHE HAS SEEMED REALLY INTENT ON, I
WILL STICK TO THIS DATE.
>> JUDGE CHUTKAN HAS SAID, I AM RUNNING A CRIMINAL CASE.
IT CANNOT BE BECAUSE YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR OFFICE THERE ISN'T A
CRIMINAL CASE. IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE OF HAVING
A TRIAL PRE-ELECTION, IT'S THAT ONE.
>> SHE WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER. APPOINTED AS A JUDGE BY
PRESIDENT OBAMA. SHE'S PROVEN TO BE A VERY TOUGH
JUDGE ON THE JANUARY 6th CASES. SHE HAS PROSECUTED 31 CASES, ALL
JAIL TIME. SHE GIVES A LOT OF PATRIOTIC
STATEMENTS FROM THE BENCH ABOUT WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE AND HOW
DAMAGING WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE IS.
SHE HAS EMERGED AS A HERO ON THE NEVER TRUMP LEFT AND RIGHT.
>> AS WE SIT HERE TONIGHT IN BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, TOMORROW --
>> TRUMP'S FORMER ATTORNEY AND FIXER MICHAEL COHEN, SET TO
TESTIFY THIS WEEK IN THE NEW YORK CIVIL FRAUD TRIAL INTO
TRUMP'S BUSINESS EMPIRE.
>> DONALD TRUMP VERSUS MICHAEL COHEN.
FACE TO FACE, IN THE COURTROOM.
>> THE WHOLE THING IS SHAKESPEAREAN.
>> WE HAVE SEEN WHAT TRUMP HAS BEEN LIKE IN THIS COURT.
HE SAYS INCREDIBLY INFLAMMATORY SHIT.
THE JUDGE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO ISSUE A GAG ORDER.
JUDGE CHUTKAN NOW HAS HER OWN LIMITED GAG ORDER.
>> IT'S EASY TO SEE WHY MICHAEL COHEN ATTACKS HIM FOR ACTING
LIKE A MOB BOSS. THE SAME COMPARISON JIM COMEY
USED?
>> JAMES COMEY DESCRIBES MR. TRUMP AS A LIAR AND A BULLY AND
COMPARED HIM INNER CIRCLE TO THE MAFIA
MAFIA.
>> YOU HAVE PROSECUTED MOB BOSSES.
>> YEAH. WHEN JAMES COMEY FIRST SAID IT,
I WAS JUST LIKE, OH, GOD, JIM, REALLY?
I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SAYING THIS. I THINK HE WAS RIGHT.
I THINK TRUMP IS SAVVY ABOUT POWER AND HOW TO USE IT.
IN THAT SENSE, I THINK IT'S VERY SIMILAR, BECAUSE THE MOB IS
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN THEIR ORGANIZATION OUTSIDE OF
THE RULES. SO THEY HAVE TO CREATE THEIR OWN
RULES. MOB BOSSES ARE DIFFERENT.
>> THE MOB HAS HONOR. CODE.
CERTAINLY WITH HIM, IT'S THE MOB WITHOUT THE CODE OF HONOR.
>> MOB WITHOUT THE MANNERS. [ LAUGHTER ]
>> IF YOU ARE STARTING YOUR MOB FAMILY AND YOU HIRE MICHAEL
COHEN, SIDNEY POWELL, RUDY GIULIANI, KENNETH CHESEBRO IT'S
LIKE DUMB FELLOWS. HOW MUCH DID YOU PROSECUTE?
>> DOZENS.
>> WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST?
>> THE CHIN. HE WAS THE BOSS OF THE GENOVESE
FAMILY.
>> THEY CALLED THEMSELVES THE MOB?
>> NO. THIS THING OF OURS.
>> FEELS LIKE A HIGH COURTROOM DRAMA KIND OF DAY.
THE MOST ANTICIPATED DAY IN THIS TRIAL SO FAR.
DONALD TRUMP IS EXPECTED TO FACE OFF TODAY WITH HIS FORMER
PERSONAL LAWYER, FIXER, MICHAEL COHEN.
>> ABOUT YOUR CREDIBILITY.
>> MY CREDIBILITY SHOULD NOT BE IN QUESTION.
I PLED GUILTY TO A I PLED GUILTY TO LYING TO
CONGRESS. DID I IT AT THE DIRECTION OF AND
FOR THE BENEFIT OF DONALD TRUMP.
>> FOR YOU EMOTIONALLY AND FOR HIM SEEING AND BEING IN THE SAME
ROOM, WHAT'S IT LIKE?
>> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REUNION.
>> GIVE HIM HELL.
>> TRUMP'S FORMER FIXER MICHAEL COHEN, NOW THE KEY WITNESS IN
THE ONGOING CIVIL TRIAL OF TRUMP'S ALLEGED FRAUD IN NEW
YORK.
>> DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN FOUND LIABLE.
>> IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MICHAEL COHEN AND OTHERS TESTIFYING THAT
THE VALUATIONS WERE INFLATED.
>> MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN
TESTIFYING TODAY? DO YOU THINK IT'S ABOUT
DISLOYALTY?
>> HE IS A PROVEN LIAR. A FELON.
SERVED TIME FOR LYING. HE IS A LIAR TRYING TO GET A
BETTER DEAL FOR HIMSELF.
>> IF ONLY THERE WERE CAMERAS ALLOWED INSIDE THIS COURTROOM.
>> IT WAS MORE OF AN ICY TENSION ABOUT WHAT WAS UNFOLDING AS
COHEN DETAILED ALL OF THE ALLEGED FRAUD.
>> YOU WERE IN THE COURTROOM. THE BODY LANGUAGE BETWEEN THE
TWO?
>> IT WAS SURPRISINGLY LITTLE. THEY WEREN'T LOOKING AT EACH
OTHER. MICHAEL COHEN, ON DIRECT, CALM,
ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. DONALD TRUMP SEEMED FRUSTRATED,
POKING AT HIS LAWYERS, NOT LOOKING AT MICHAEL COHEN.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON IN MICHAEL COHEN'S HEAD?
>> YOU KNOW, HE HAS DONE JAIL TIME BECAUSE OF THE CRIMES HE
COMMITTED FOR DONALD TRUMP, ACCORDING TO HIM.
>> HE HAS BEEN WAITING FOR FIVE YEARS TO GET BACK AT THE GUY WHO
PUT HIM IN PRISON.
>> EXACTLY.
>> THE THING THAT'S REMARKABLE IS YOU HAVE TRUMP'S FORMER
LAWYER ON THE STAND, AND THEN IN GEORGIA, THIS MORNING, YOU HAVE
A FORMER LAWYER PLEADING GUILTY.
>> FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN LAWYER JENNA ELLIS ADMITTED TO MAKING
FALSE STATEMENTS THAT THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS
FRAUDULENT.
>> SHE PLED TO A FELONY. AIDING AND ABETTING RUDY GEEL A
AIDING AND ABETTING RUDY GEE GIULIANI.
>> WHY IS HER PLEA MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN CHESEBRO OR
POWELL?
>> BECAUSE UNLIKE THE TWO LAWYERS FOR DONALD TRUMP
PLEADING GUILTY, SHE ACTUALLY AGREED THAT SHE'S FULLY
COOPERATING. I WILL MEET WITH YOU ALL THE
TIME. I WILL GIVE YOU ANY STATEMENTS
YOU NEED. I HAVE TO FULLY COOPERATE AS
PART OF THIS PLEA AGREEMENT.
>> BREAKING NEWS. NEW REPORTING THAT FORMER TRUMP
WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS WAS GRANTED IMMUNITY
BEFORE TESTIFYING IN THE FEDERAL ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE.
>> THIS IS ESSENTIALLY HUGE. THIS IS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, HE
APPARENTLY HAS GONE IN THE GRAND JURY THREE TIMES AND SAID THAT
HE TOLD DONALD TRUMP THAT HE LOST THE ELECTION AND HE SAID HE
THOUGHT THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS LYING WHEN HE SAID THAT, IN
FACT, HE WON THE ELECTION.
>> IN SOME WAYS THAT COULD BE GAME, SET, MATCH.
THAT ELIMINATES TRUMP'S DEFENSE.
>> EVERYTHING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT DONALD
TRUMP HAS TO WORRY ABOUT, THIS IS A HUGE DEVELOPMENT.
>> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS BACK IN A NEW YORK CITY
COURTROOM FOR A SECOND CONSECUTIVE DAY.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. I HAVE SPOKEN TO MARK MEADOWS
MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS. HE IS STRONGLY BELIEVED THE
ELECTION WAS RIGGED. OF COURSE, DERANGED JACK SMITH
AND THE PROSECUTORS GO AFTER PEOPLE FOR YEARS AND THEY SAY WE
WILL ERECT A STRATUE OF YOU OR YOU WILL GO TO JAIL FOR TEN
YEARS. MARK MEADOWS THOUGHT IT WAS
RIGGED.
>> HOW ABOUT GIULIANI?
>> WHAT IS MARK MEADOWS TELLING PROSECUTORS?
WHAT WILL IT MEAN FOR DONALD TRUMP?
>> WHO WAS CLOSER TO DONALD TRUMP DURING THOSE KEY MOMENTS
LEADING UP TO AND DURING JANUARY 6 THAN MARK MEADOWS?
>> MARK MEADOWS, ACCORDING TO MY CONTACTS ON THE JANUARY 6
COMMITTEE, HAS THE KEYS TO THE CASTLE.
HIM TALKING TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL GOTTA SEND A SHIVER DOWN
THE SPINE OF TRUMP'S TEAM AND LIKELY THE FORMER PRESIDENT
HIMSELF.
>> YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS JUDGE, TONYA CHUTKAN.
>> I HAVE WATCHED 1,150 JANUARY 6 DEFENDANTS HAVE THEIR CASES
HEARD IN THIS COURT. WHEN I SAW THE CASE NUMBER FOR
DONALD TRUMP'S WASHINGTON, D.C. CRIMINAL CASE, IT JUST JUMPED
OFF THE PAGE AT ME. IT WAS THE FIRST THING I NOTICED
BEFORE I READ THE CHARGES. I SAW THE CASE WAS ASSIGNED TO
HER. I'M LIKE, OH, OH, THIS CAN'T BE
THE DRAW DONALD TRUMP WANTED FROM THE LOTTERY FROM WHICH THEY
PICK JUDGES. SHE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR EXTRANEOUS
DELAYS OR A SLUGGISH DOCKET. THAT'S TRUMP'S M.O.
SLOW THINGS DOWN, STRETCH THINGS OUT.
JUDGE CHUTKAN DOESN'T DO THAT. TRUMP WANTED A TRIAL DATE OF
APRIL 2026. SHE GAVE HIM MARCH 2024, ALMOST
EXACTLY WHAT PROSECUTORS WANTED.
>> SHE'S RULED ON ONE VERY IMPORTANT CASE HERE ON JANUARY
6. 6.
>> THIS WAS A PIVOTAL RULING. THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE WANTED
RECORDS. TRUMP DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE
TURNED OVER. THAT CASE RANDOMLY ASSIGNED TO
JUDGE CHUTKAN. SHE SAID THE RECORDS COULD BE
TURNED OVER TO THE COMMITTEE. SHE SAID THE PRESIDENT ISN'T A
KING. TRUMP ISN'T THE PRESIDENT.
IT'S REALLY DEFINED WHAT SHE'S BEEN SAYING AS SHE HANDLES THIS
CRIMINAL CASE. THE CAMPAIGN WILL NOT IMPACT THE
TIMING OF THIS CASE. YOU HAVE SUPER TUESDAY, YOU HAVE
CAMPAIGN STOPS YOU WANT TO MAKE, YOU WANT TO BE OUT IN AMERICA,
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S RELEVANT TO HER.
>> THE GAG ORDER?
>> PROSECUTORS WANTED A PARTIAL GAG ORDER TO LIMIT WHAT HE POSTS
AND SAYS. SHE SAID, ANY OTHER CRIMINAL
DEFENDANT, I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF HE OR SHE WAS TARGETING
PROSECUTORS, THE JUDGE, THE JUDGE'S FAMILY, POTENTIAL
WITNESSES. SHE HAS SAID SO MANY WORDS, WE
WILL TREAT DONALD TRUMP LIKE ANY OTHER CRIMINAL DEFENDANT.
>> DONALD TRUMP WAS ORDERED TO TAKE THE WITNESS STAND TODAY
AFTER MAN AFTER MTHE JUDGE ACCUSED HIM OF
BREAKING THE GAG ORDER.
>> HE SAID THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO HIM IS VERY PARTISAN.
>> THAT GAG ORDER SAID THAT TRUMP COULD NOT SPEAK ILL ABOUT
ANYONE ON HIS STAFF. DID YOU VIOLATE THE GAG ORDER?
>> NO.
>> WERE YOU REFERRING TO THE CLERK?
>> WITH RESPECT TO WHAT?
>> THE DISPARAGING COMMENTS.
>> NOT AT ALL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> THE JUDGE SAID HE FOUND TRUMP'S ANSWERS NOT CREDIBLE AND
FINED HIM $10,000.
>> IT'S THURSDAY AFTERNOON IN GEORGIA.
WE EXPECTED TO BE COVERING TRIALS AND DISTRICT ATTORNEY
WILLIS' MASSIVE RICO RACKETEERING CASE AGAINST TRUMP
AND 18 OTHER DEFENDANTS FOR ELECTION SUBVERSION.
INSTEAD, WE HAD A FLURRY OF PLEA DEALS.
THE BIG SHOCKER THIS WEEK WAS JENNA ELLIS, TRUMP LAWYER.
AND THEN LAST NIGHT CNN REPORTED THAT WILLIS HAD OFFERED UP PLEA
DEALS FOR SIX OTHER DEFENDANTS. I CAN'T IMAGINE A PROSECUTOR AND
I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS PROSECUTOR TAKING ON A FORMER PRESIDENT
WITHOUT FEELING LIKE THEIR CASE WAS JAM UP AND JELLY TIGHT.
>> IS IT RIGHT TO THINK THE PLEA DEALS MAKE THE WHOLE CASE
STRONGER? I HEARD ONE FORMER PROSECUTOR
SAYING, YOU ARE TURNING PEOPLE FROM ED
FROM EADVERSARY FROM EADVERSARIES INTO WITNESSE.
>> RIGHT.
>> WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE WHOLE UNDERLYING CASE?
>> LOOKING AT TRUMP SPECIFICALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS
I THINK EVERYBODY THINKS HE IS GOING TO DO IS TRY TO MOUNT AN
ADVICE OF COUNSEL DEFENSE. YOU CAN'T HOLD ME RESPONSIBLE
BECAUSE I WAS DOING WHAT MY LAWYERS TOLD ME TO DO.
WHEN YOU HAVE THREE LAWYERS SAYING, THESE ARE FALSE
STATEMENTS. THIS WAS WRONG.
I THINK IT BECOMES VERY HARD TO MAKE AN ADVICE OF COUNSEL
DEFENSE. YOU CAN'T TAKE ADVICE FROM YOUR
CO-CONSPIRATORS. IF YOUR COUNSEL IS IN ON IT,
THEY ARE NOT ACTING AS AN ATTORNEY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR HIM.
>> THESE OTHER TRIALS, THE CONCERN IS RUSH TO GET THEM DONE
BEFORE THE ELECTION SO THAT VOTERS ARE MAKING AN INFORMED
CHOICE. DO YOU THINK TRUMP COULD GO TO
TRIAL IN GEORGIA BEFORE THE ELECTION IN
ELECTIO ELECTION?
>> SURE. OLDER CASES GET TRIED FIRST.
>> THE JACK SMITH CASE WAS FILED PRIOR TO WILLIS.
>> WITH THE JANUARY 6 TRIAL STARTING MARCH 4th, THE JUDGE IN
THIS CASE CAN START TRIAL IN THE SUMMER OF 2024.
>> OH.
>> BECAUSE NOT JUST THE DEFENDANT BUT THE PUBLIC HAS THE
RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL.
>> "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTED IT WAS WITH STUNNING SWIFTNESS THAT
WILLIS WAS MOVING FASTER THAN DOJ OR THE TRUMP TEAM
ANTICIPATED WITH THE PLEA DEALS. WHY DO YOU THINK SHE'S MOVING SO
FAST?
>> CRIMINAL CASES AREN'T LIKE FINE LINE
FINE LIWINES. THEY DON'T GET BETTER WITH AGE.
FOUR PEOPLE PLEADED GUILTY. THEY ARE IMPLICATING OTHER
PEOPLE.
>> DOES THAT CREATE A DYNAMIC WITH THE OTHER DEFENDANTS?
>> IT HAS TO. AS TIME GOES ON AND MORE PEOPLE
FLIP, THEY WILL SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
>> HOW DOES THIS IMPACT JACK SMITH'S D.C. CASE?
>> SO MANY WAYS. ALL THE PUBLIC STATEMENTS MADE
BY THE PEOPLE PLEAING, JACK SMITH CAN USE THOUGH.
I DON'T THINK SHE SET OUT TO HELP JACK SMITH, BUT I THINK SHE
CERTAINLY HAD THAT PRACTICAL AFFECT OF HELPING THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WITH THIS CASE.
>> MORE PEOPLE WHO MAKE DEALS DO IT PUBLICALLY, THE MORE
INFORMATION THERE IS OUT THERE, THE MORE IT BUTTRESSES HIS CASE.
WHETHER WILLIS IS INTENDING THIS OR NOT, IT WILL HAVE THAT
IMPACT?
>> IT WILL HAPPEN. IF EVEN THEY ARE NOT PICKING UP
THE PHONE AND TALKING, IT'S GOT TO BE ON THEIR MIND.
>> TWO SMART, CAPABLE LAWYERS EXISTING IN THEIR OWN UNIVERSES.
>> RIGHT. BUT THEY IMPACT EACH OTHER.
JACK HAS TO KEEP GEORGIA ON HIS MIND.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> EVER SINCE DONALD TRUMP BECAME A PUBLIC FIGURE, PEOPLE
HAVE BEEN COMPARING HIM TO A MAFIA BOSS.
NOW IT'S NOT JUST TRUMP BEHAVIOR, IT'S THE BEHAVIOR OF
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PURSUING HIM, PROSECUTORS IN ALL THE CASES
USING THE SAME TACTICS AGAINST TRUMP THAT THEY USE AGAINST
LEADERS OF ORGANIZED CRIME. THEN YOU SEE THIS CONCERTED
STRATEGY FOR PROSECUTE STRATEGY FOR PROSECUTORS FOCUSED
ON GETTING DONALD TRUMP'S MOST LOYAL LIEUTENANTS TO FLIP ON HIM
TO SAVE THEIR OWN SKIN. IF YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE OF
ORGANIZED CRIME COMES FROM THE MOVIES, THE SPECTACLE WE HAVE
SEEN OVER THE PAST WEEK AND A HALF CALLS TO MIND "GOODFELLAS"
WHEN RAY TURNS ON ROBERT TO SAVE HIMSELF FROM A LIFE IN PRISON OR
DEATH.
>> DO YOU SEE HIM HERE IN THE COURTROOM TODAY?
>> YES.
>> PLEASE POINT HIM OUT FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE JURY.
YOUR HONOR, LET THE RECORD REFLECT HE IDENTIFIED THE
DEFENDANT.
>> TO EXPLORE THAT THEME FURTHER, HERE IN MIDTOWN
MANHATTAN WHERE IN 1985 JOHN GOTTI HAD THE HEAD OF THE
GAMBINO CRIME FAMILY WHACKED RIGHT HERE ON THE SIDEWALK.
WE ARE MEETING UP WITH ANDREW WEISSMANN AND WITH FORMER FBI
INVESTIGATOR CHRIS FABO. IN THE EARLY 1990s, THEY WORKED
TOGETHER TO TAKE DOWN THE COLUMN TOGETHER TO TAKE DOWN THE CO
COLOMBO CRIME FAMILY. THIS IS A THING YOU ENTERED INTO
EVIDENCE IN COURT IN 1992. YOU GOT THE ACTING BOSS, THE
UNDER BOSS, YOU GOT, OF COURSE, CARMINE THE SNAKE, JOEY LEGS.
>> WE PROSECUTED HIM FOR MURDER.
>> HANK THE BANK, FAT LARRY, JOE FISH.
FRANKY BLUE EYES.
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO MEET HIM.
>> I DON'T WANT TO MEET ANY OF THESE GUYS.
>> JOEY BRAINS.
>> JOEY BRAINS WAS HIS NICKNAME. IT WAS NOT SAID IN A
COMPLEMENTARY WAY.
>> HE ROBBED A STORE WHEN HE WAS 14 AND RAN INTO THE SOCIAL CLUB
WHERE THE GAMBLING WAS GOING ON. THAT'S WHY THEY CALLED HIM JOEY
BRAINS.
>> THESE FAMILIES IN A LOT OF CASES WERE THOUGHT OF AS ABOVE
THE LAW. ONE BY ONE, THEY GOT TAKEN DOWN
BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU, STARTING WITH THE SMALL FISH AND THE
SMALL FISH FLIPS AND YOU FIND YOURSELF UP TO THE WHALE.
HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO FLIP?
>> THE IDEA IS TO BUILD THE CASE AGAINST THEM SO THAT THEY REALLY
HAVE NO FUTURE IN THE LIFE. JUST GETTING THEM TO REALIZE
THAT IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
NOBODY COMES IN WITHOUT HAVING AN ARREST, A DEATH THREAT,
SOMETHING ELSE UPON THEM. THERE'S NO REASON TO COME IN.
>> IN THE PROCESS OF PROSECUTING, INVESTIGATING AND
PROSECUTING, YOU GOT TO SEE WHAT MOB BOSSES ARE LIKE.
PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TRUMP LIKE HE WAS A MOB BOSS FOR A
LONG TIME. DO YOU SEE THE PARALLELS?
>> THERE'S A LOT OF PARALLELS. IN PARTICULAR, THE ATTACKS ON
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE POTENTIAL WITNESSES AGAINST HIM.
OF COURSE, IF THIS WAS IN MOB LIFE, THAT USUALLY ENDS UP WITH
SOME SORT OF DEATH SENTENCE AND SO FORTH FOR THESE PEOPLE.
ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE CALLED A RAT.
THE BULLYING IN PARTICULAR, A LOT COMES FROM THE SAME MINDSET.
>> THE EMPHASIS ON LOYALTY IS SO REMINISCENT OF JOHN GOTTI.
JOHN GOTTI WAS CAUGHT ON TAPE IN A CASE THAT WE PROSECUTED WHERE
HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHY LOUIE WILL BE KILLED?
HE IS BEING KILLED BECAUSE I CALLED HIM TO COME IN AND HE
DIDN'T COME IN. THAT SENSE OF, I AM THE BOSS,
YOU ARE LOYAL TO ME. IN ABSENCE OF LOYALTY IS THE
DEATH PENALTY.
>> TRUMP'S ATTACKS ON PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES AND
INTIMIDATION OF WITNESSES, HE IS DOING IT IN A FLAGRANT WAY.
HE ATTACKED JACK SMITH AS DERANGED, A LOU
DERANGED, A LUNATIC. WERE THERE MAFIA BOSSES THAT
WOULD DO FIGURE LIKE THAT? GO ON "THE NEW YORK POST" AND
ATTACK THE JUDGE WHO WAS HEARING AN ORGANIZED CRIME CASE?
>> IT WOULDN'T BE DONE. IF THEY DID, IT WOULD BE DONE
QUIETLY AND IN A WAY IT WASN'T CONNECTED TO THE FAMILY.
>> TRUMP SEEMS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ETHOS.
>> HOW REAL DO YOU THINK THE THREAT IS TO THOSE PEOPLE HE IS
ATTACKING?
>> WE KNOW IT'S REAL. THERE'S A WOMAN WHO IS UNDER
INDICTMENT NOW FOR THREATENING JUDGE CHUTKAN.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE SO MANY LONE WOLVES WHO LISTEN TO
WHAT TRUMP IS SAYING AND DECIDE, I'M GOING TO ACT ON IT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU ARE SEEING THE GAG ORDERS.
IN THE PRESIDENT'S BRIEF ON THE GAG ORDER, HE SAYS, WHETHER
PEOPLE ACT ON THIS, THAT'S ON THEM, NOT ON ME.
>> DO YOU THINK TRUMP WOULD CARE IF SOMEONE TOOK A SHOT AT JUDGE
CHUTKAN?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THE TRUMP ERA THAT ARE CHILLING
TO ME. OF COURSE, THE FORMER PRESIDENT
WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY IF SOMEONE TOOK A SHOT A JUDGE
THAT'S PROSECUTING --
>> IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S THREATENING SOMEBODY.
THAT'S IT.
>> TRUMP IS SUCH A THOROUGHLY NEW YORK CHARACTER OF AN ERA
WHEN THE FIVE FAMILIES MATTERED IN NEW YORK.
TRUMP MOVED IN THIS WORLD. REAL ESTATE, TOTALLY MOBBED UP,
EVERYTHING HE DID. ATLANTIC CITY, CASINO BUSINESS.
I THINK ABOUT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DONS WHO THOUGHT
THEY WOULD GET AWAY WITH IT FOREVER.
THE ROOF CAVED IN. CAN YOU IMAGINE DONALD TRUMP IN
AN ORANGE JUMPSUIT?
>> NO. NOT FOR THE REASON YOU THINK.
I THINK HE IS GOING TO FLEE THE COUNTRY BEFORE HE CAN BE PUT IN
A JUMPSUIT.
>> WOW. IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO SIT
THERE AND LISTEN TO THE TESTIMONY THAT COMES IN AGAINST
YOU. DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY, IT'S A
TERRIBLE CRIME. FUGITIVES RUN ALL THE TIME.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WILL TRY TO DO.
>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD IMAGINE DONALD TRUMP IN AN
ORANGE JUMPSUIT IN ORANGE JUMPSUIT ?
>> ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU LEAVE THE POLITICAL OUT,
HE IS GETTING CONVICTED. THE TWO FEDERAL CASES ARE -- HE
IS DONE. WE COULD LITERALLY BE IN THIS
SITUATION WHERE HE IS CONVICTED AND HE IS ALSO RE-ELECTED.
AT THAT POINT, THE ANSWER IS, ISN'T THAT THE END OF WHAT WE
THINK OF AS AMERICA? DO YOU MISS ME NOW
EVERYBODY TRYING TO COPY MY STYLE
THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ME, I'M ON FIRE
THE BADDEST ON THE SCENE, LIKE PEACHES AND CREAM
CHECK
CHECK ME