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>>> I'M SO LOYAL TO PEOPLE.       
 MAYBE I'M LOYAL TO A FAULT.

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I'M SO LOYAL TO PEOPLE THAT WHEN 
 SOMEBODY SLIGHTLY IS DISLOYAL TO

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ME, I LOOK UPON IT AS A GREAT     
 ACT OF HONOR.

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>> THEY SAY I'M MR. TRUMP'S       
 PITBULL, HIS RIGHT-HAND MAN.

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I'VE BEEN CALLED MANY DIFFERENT   
 THINGS.

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I'M A LOYAL EMPLOYEE.

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>> HE HAS BEEN KEEPING HIS        
 PROMISES.

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HE IS THE ONLY POLITICIAN THAT    
 DARED TO SAY THINGS THAT WE

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DIDN'T EVEN DREAM OF.

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>> YOU SEE THAT AMERICA LOVES     
 PRESIDENT TRUMP.

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>> TRUMP WILL WIN.                
 HE IS THE PRESIDENT.

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HE IS IN CHARGE OF THIS COUNTRY.

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>> SOME DAY I'D LIKE TO MAYBE     
 LOSE EVERYTHING FOR A PERIOD OF

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TIME TO SEE WHO IS LOYAL AND WHO 
 IS NOT LOYAL.

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>> I AM A SHAME

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>> I AM A SHSHAMED OF MY WEAKNE   
 AND MISPLACED LOYALTY, THE

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THINGS I DID FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN 
 EFFORT TO PROTECT AND PROMOTE

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HIM.

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>> COHEN FLIPPING ON THE          
 PRESIDENT COULD BE A SEISMIC

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EVENT.

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>> PEOPLE MAKE UP STORIES.        
 THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT FLIPPING

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THEY CALL IT, IT ALMOST OUGHT TO 
 BE OUTLAWED.

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IT'S NOT FAIR.

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>> A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT IN         
 GEORGIA'S ELECTION INTERFERENCE

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CASE.                             
 SIDNEY POWELL IS PLEADING

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GUILTY.                           
 SHE'S AGREED TO TESTIFY AGAINST

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OTHER PEOPLE.                     
 IT'S OBVIOUSLY DEVASTATING NEWS

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TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT.          
 KEN EDGE CHESEBRO WHO HELPED

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ORCHESTRATE THE FAKE ELECTOR      
 PLOT IN GEORGIA TOOK A PLEA

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DEAL.

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>> ELLIS JOINS POWELL IN          
 PLEADING GUILTY.

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>> I HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY    
 ALREADY.

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I NOW TAKE RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE 
 THIS COURT AND APOLOGIZE TO THE

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PEOPLE OF GEORGIA.                
 THANK YOU.

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>> MARK MEADOWS, FORMER WHITE     
 HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF, GRANTED

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IMMUNITY TO TESTIFY ACCORDING TO 
 ABC NEWS.

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>> THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN ON    
 DONALD TRUMP.

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>> TRUMP IS PREPARING TO DEFEND   
 HIMSELF IN THE COURTS AND TRIES

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TO WIN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.

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>> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS     
 SHOWN A PATTERN OF ATTACKING

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PEOPLE WITHIN THE JUDICIAL        
 SYSTEM.

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>> THIS IS A RIGGED DEAL.         
 IT'S A RIGGED COURT.

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I TELL YOU, IT'S A DISGRACE.

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>> DONALD TRUMP IS BASICALLY      
 IMITATING WHAT HE THINKS A MOB

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BOSS DOES.

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>> ATTACKING PROSECUTORS,         
 JUDGES, WITNESSES.

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>> IT DOES FEEL LIKE A MAFIA      
 STORY.

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>> CAPONE ONLY GOT INDICTED       
 ONCE.

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I GOT INDICTED FOUR TIMES.

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>>> FANCY.

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>> THIS WAS REALLY GOOD.

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>> THAT'S REALLY GOOD.            
 HERE YOU ALL DON'T HAVE ONE OVER

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THERE.                            
 TAKE THIS.

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>> IT'S REALLY QUITE A SCENE.     
 LOOK AT THIS.

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>> IS THIS THE APPETIZER?         
 [ LAUGHTER ]

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>> LET'S OFFER A TOAST TO THE     
 ONE AND ONLY LAWYER WHOSE

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PRESENCE I CAN TOLERATE MORE      
 THAN 20 MINUTES AT A TIME.

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>> THAT'S HIGH PRAISE.

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>> LAST TIME WE WERE WITH ANDREW 
 WEISSMANN IN THE EARLY SPRING OF

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2023, THE FIRST INDICTMENT WAS    
 KICKING OFF.

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>> A SPRING BUD.                  
 NOW THAT BUD HAS BECOME --

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>> THAT WAS THE BRAGG CASE.       
 MANHATTAN D.A., PORN STAR, HUSH

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MONEY CASE.                       
 IN SIX MONTHS OR SO SINCE THEN,

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TRUMP'S LEGAL SITUATION HAS       
 GOTTEN WORSE.

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FOUR INDICTMENTS IN FOUR          
 DIFFERENT VENUES.

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TWO FEDERAL.                      
 THIS CASE ON THE INSURRECTION IN

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WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THE          
 CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS IN FLORIDA,

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TWO ARE STATE IN GEORGIA AND NEW 
 YORK.

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>> 91 COUNTS.

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>> 91 FELONY COUNTS.

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>> IT'S LIKE THIS TABLE.

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>> BRING IT ON.

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>> STARTING WITH THE STORMY       
 DANIELS CASE, YOUR PHONE LIGHTS

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UP.                               
 THIS IS THE ONE.

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WHAT HAPPENED POLITICALLY?        
 HE HAS GOTTEN STRONGER.

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JUST AMAZING.

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>> IT HASN'T AFFECTED HIM IN THE 
 PRIMARIES.

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WE THOUGHT IN THE GENERAL         
 ELECTION --

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>> WHAT'S SCARY IS WHEN           
 SOMETHING IS INEXPLICABLE.

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THAT'S SORT OF INEXPLICABLE THAT 
 EVEN AFTER ALL THE INDICTMENTS,

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THERE'S BEEN A SPADE OF POLLS     
 THAT HAVE TRUMP BEATING BIDEN IN

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2024.

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>> IF TRUMP IS ELECTED, THE       
 FEDERAL CASES GO AWAY.

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THEY ARE JUST DONE.               
 WHOEVER THE PRESIDENT IS

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CONTROLS THE DEPARTMENT OF        
 JUSTICE.

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DONALD TRUMP WILL SAY, DROP THE   
 CASES.

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THOSE ARE OVER.                   
 THE STATE CASES WILL BE ON HOLD,

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BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT WILL    
 LIKELY SAY, IF YOU ARE THE

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PRESIDENT, YOU CAN'T HAVE STATE   
 CASES.

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THERE'S A POLITICAL SOLUTION TO   
 ALL OF THIS FROM TRUMP'S

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PERSPECTIVE.                      
 YOU CAN GET OUT OF THIS BY

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WINNING THE ELECTION.

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>> I THINK ANDREW RAISED THE      
 RIGHT QUESTION.

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IS TRUMP EVER GOING TO BE         
 BROUGHT TO ACCOUNT LEGALLY FOR

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WHAT NOW APPEAR TO BE A WHOLE     
 BUNCH OF CRIMES?

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WILL IT HAPPEN IN A TIME FRAME    
 THAT WILL MATTER AHEAD OF THE

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ELECTION?                         
 THE CASE THAT IS MOST IN THE

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NEWS IS THE GEORGIA CASE.         
 THE WILLIS CASE, 19 DEFENDANTS.

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THESE TWO DEFENDANTS, CHESEBRO    
 AND POWELL, THEY WERE SUPPOSED

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TO START THEIR TRIAL TODAY.       
 WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK?

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>> THEY PLED GUILTY.

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>> THE FORMER PRESIDENT NOW       
 FACES A PROSPECT OF BOTH POWELL

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AND CHESEBRO TAKING THE WITNESS   
 STAND AGAINST HIM.

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>> THESE ARE BOTH KEY PLAYERS     
 THAT NOBODY EXPECTED TO FOED.

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THAT NOBODY EXPECTED TO FOELD.

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>> THEY GOT A GREAT DEAL.         
 IF THEY LIVE BY THEIR AGREEMENT,

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THEY WILL NOT SPEND A DAY IN      
 JAIL.

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>> WILL SHE PUT THESE OUT TO      
 ENTICE PEOPLE TO COME IN.

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>> YOU DO.

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>> THERE WAS DOUBT WHETHER TRUMP 
 WOULD GET IN THE DOCK BEFORE

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ELECTION DAY.                     
 BOTH FEDERAL CASES HAVE COURT

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DATES BEFORE THE ELECTION.        
 THE INSURRECTION IN WASHINGTON,

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D.C., THE FIRST ONE, SCHEDULED    
 TO START MARCH 4th.

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>> THE DAY BEFORE SUPER TUESDAY.

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>> SEEMS LIKE JUDGE CHUTKAN, SHE 
 HAS SEEMED REALLY INTENT ON, I

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WILL STICK TO THIS DATE.

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>> JUDGE CHUTKAN HAS SAID, I AM   
 RUNNING A CRIMINAL CASE.

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IT CANNOT BE BECAUSE YOU DECIDE   
 TO RUN FOR OFFICE THERE ISN'T A

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CRIMINAL CASE.                    
 IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE OF HAVING

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A TRIAL PRE-ELECTION, IT'S THAT   
 ONE.

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>> SHE WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER.     
 APPOINTED AS A JUDGE BY

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PRESIDENT OBAMA.                  
 SHE'S PROVEN TO BE A VERY TOUGH

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JUDGE ON THE JANUARY 6th CASES.   
 SHE HAS PROSECUTED 31 CASES, ALL

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JAIL TIME.                        
 SHE GIVES A LOT OF PATRIOTIC

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STATEMENTS FROM THE BENCH ABOUT   
 WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE AND HOW

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DAMAGING WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE   
 DONE IS.

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SHE HAS EMERGED AS A HERO ON THE 
 NEVER TRUMP LEFT AND RIGHT.

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>> AS WE SIT HERE TONIGHT IN      
 BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, TOMORROW --

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>> TRUMP'S FORMER ATTORNEY AND    
 FIXER MICHAEL COHEN, SET TO

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TESTIFY THIS WEEK IN THE NEW      
 YORK CIVIL FRAUD TRIAL INTO

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TRUMP'S BUSINESS EMPIRE.

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>> DONALD TRUMP VERSUS MICHAEL    
 COHEN.

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FACE TO FACE, IN THE COURTROOM.

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>> THE WHOLE THING IS             
 SHAKESPEAREAN.

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>> WE HAVE SEEN WHAT TRUMP HAS    
 BEEN LIKE IN THIS COURT.

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HE SAYS INCREDIBLY INFLAMMATORY   
 SHIT.

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THE JUDGE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO    
 ISSUE A GAG ORDER.

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JUDGE CHUTKAN NOW HAS HER OWN     
 LIMITED GAG ORDER.

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>> IT'S EASY TO SEE WHY MICHAEL   
 COHEN ATTACKS HIM FOR ACTING

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LIKE A MOB BOSS.                  
 THE SAME COMPARISON JIM COMEY

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USED?

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>> JAMES COMEY DESCRIBES MR.      
 TRUMP AS A LIAR AND A BULLY AND

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COMPARED HIM INNER CIRCLE TO THE 
 MAFIA

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MAFIA.

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>> YOU HAVE PROSECUTED MOB        
 BOSSES.

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>> YEAH.                          
 WHEN JAMES COMEY FIRST SAID IT,

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I WAS JUST LIKE, OH, GOD, JIM,    
 REALLY?

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I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SAYING THIS. 
 I THINK HE WAS RIGHT.

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I THINK TRUMP IS SAVVY ABOUT      
 POWER AND HOW TO USE IT.

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IN THAT SENSE, I THINK IT'S VERY 
 SIMILAR, BECAUSE THE MOB IS

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TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN   
 THEIR ORGANIZATION OUTSIDE OF

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THE RULES.                        
 SO THEY HAVE TO CREATE THEIR OWN

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RULES.                            
 MOB BOSSES ARE DIFFERENT.

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>> THE MOB HAS HONOR.             
 CODE.

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CERTAINLY WITH HIM, IT'S THE MOB 
 WITHOUT THE CODE OF HONOR.

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>> MOB WITHOUT THE MANNERS.       
 [ LAUGHTER ]

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>> IF YOU ARE STARTING YOUR MOB   
 FAMILY AND YOU HIRE MICHAEL

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COHEN, SIDNEY POWELL, RUDY        
 GIULIANI, KENNETH CHESEBRO IT'S

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LIKE DUMB FELLOWS.                
 HOW MUCH DID YOU PROSECUTE?

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>> DOZENS.

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>> WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST?

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>> THE CHIN.                      
 HE WAS THE BOSS OF THE GENOVESE

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FAMILY.

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>> THEY CALLED THEMSELVES THE     
 MOB?

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>> NO.                            
 THIS THING OF OURS.

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>> FEELS LIKE A HIGH COURTROOM    
 DRAMA KIND OF DAY.

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THE MOST ANTICIPATED DAY IN THIS 
 TRIAL SO FAR.

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DONALD TRUMP IS EXPECTED TO FACE 
 OFF TODAY WITH HIS FORMER

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PERSONAL LAWYER, FIXER, MICHAEL   
 COHEN.

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>> ABOUT YOUR CREDIBILITY.

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>> MY CREDIBILITY SHOULD NOT BE   
 IN QUESTION.

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I PLED GUILTY TO A I PLED GUILTY 
 TO LYING TO

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CONGRESS.                         
 DID I IT AT THE DIRECTION OF AND

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FOR THE BENEFIT OF DONALD TRUMP.

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>> FOR YOU EMOTIONALLY AND FOR    
 HIM SEEING AND BEING IN THE SAME

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ROOM, WHAT'S IT LIKE?

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>> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE     
 REUNION.

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>> GIVE HIM HELL.

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>> TRUMP'S FORMER FIXER MICHAEL   
 COHEN, NOW THE KEY WITNESS IN

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THE ONGOING CIVIL TRIAL OF        
 TRUMP'S ALLEGED FRAUD IN NEW

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YORK.

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>> DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN FOUND    
 LIABLE.

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>> IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MICHAEL   
 COHEN AND OTHERS TESTIFYING THAT

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THE VALUATIONS WERE INFLATED.

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>> MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT DO YOU     
 THINK ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN

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TESTIFYING TODAY?                 
 DO YOU THINK IT'S ABOUT

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DISLOYALTY?

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>> HE IS A PROVEN LIAR.           
 A FELON.

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SERVED TIME FOR LYING.            
 HE IS A LIAR TRYING TO GET A

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BETTER DEAL FOR HIMSELF.

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>> IF ONLY THERE WERE CAMERAS     
 ALLOWED INSIDE THIS COURTROOM.

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>> IT WAS MORE OF AN ICY TENSION 
 ABOUT WHAT WAS UNFOLDING AS

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COHEN DETAILED ALL OF THE         
 ALLEGED FRAUD.

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>> YOU WERE IN THE COURTROOM.     
 THE BODY LANGUAGE BETWEEN THE

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TWO?

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>> IT WAS SURPRISINGLY LITTLE.    
 THEY WEREN'T LOOKING AT EACH

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OTHER.                            
 MICHAEL COHEN, ON DIRECT, CALM,

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ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.          
 DONALD TRUMP SEEMED FRUSTRATED,

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POKING AT HIS LAWYERS, NOT        
 LOOKING AT MICHAEL COHEN.

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>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON 
 IN MICHAEL COHEN'S HEAD?

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>> YOU KNOW, HE HAS DONE JAIL     
 TIME BECAUSE OF THE CRIMES HE

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COMMITTED FOR DONALD TRUMP,       
 ACCORDING TO HIM.

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>> HE HAS BEEN WAITING FOR FIVE   
 YEARS TO GET BACK AT THE GUY WHO

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PUT HIM IN PRISON.

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>> EXACTLY.

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>> THE THING THAT'S REMARKABLE    
 IS YOU HAVE TRUMP'S FORMER

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LAWYER ON THE STAND, AND THEN IN 
 GEORGIA, THIS MORNING, YOU HAVE

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A FORMER LAWYER PLEADING GUILTY.

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>> FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN LAWYER   
 JENNA ELLIS ADMITTED TO MAKING

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FALSE STATEMENTS THAT THE 2020    
 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS

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FRAUDULENT.

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>> SHE PLED TO A FELONY.          
 AIDING AND ABETTING RUDY GEEL A

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AIDING AND ABETTING RUDY GEE      
 GIULIANI.

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>> WHY IS HER PLEA MORE           
 SIGNIFICANT THAN CHESEBRO OR

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POWELL?

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>> BECAUSE UNLIKE THE TWO         
 LAWYERS FOR DONALD TRUMP

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PLEADING GUILTY, SHE ACTUALLY     
 AGREED THAT SHE'S FULLY

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COOPERATING.                      
 I WILL MEET WITH YOU ALL THE

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TIME.                             
 I WILL GIVE YOU ANY STATEMENTS

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YOU NEED.                         
 I HAVE TO FULLY COOPERATE AS

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PART OF THIS PLEA AGREEMENT.

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>> BREAKING NEWS.                 
 NEW REPORTING THAT FORMER TRUMP

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WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF MARK   
 MEADOWS WAS GRANTED IMMUNITY

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BEFORE TESTIFYING IN THE FEDERAL 
 ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE.

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>> THIS IS ESSENTIALLY HUGE.      
 THIS IS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, HE

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APPARENTLY HAS GONE IN THE GRAND 
 JURY THREE TIMES AND SAID THAT

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HE TOLD DONALD TRUMP THAT HE      
 LOST THE ELECTION AND HE SAID HE

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THOUGHT THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS     
 LYING WHEN HE SAID THAT, IN

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FACT, HE WON THE ELECTION.

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>> IN SOME WAYS THAT COULD BE     
 GAME, SET, MATCH.

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THAT ELIMINATES TRUMP'S DEFENSE.

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>> EVERYTHING WE ARE TALKING      
 ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT DONALD

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TRUMP HAS TO WORRY ABOUT, THIS    
 IS A HUGE DEVELOPMENT.

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>> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS      
 BACK IN A NEW YORK CITY

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COURTROOM FOR A SECOND            
 CONSECUTIVE DAY.

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>> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.          
 I HAVE SPOKEN TO MARK MEADOWS

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MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS.        
 HE IS STRONGLY BELIEVED THE

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ELECTION WAS RIGGED.              
 OF COURSE, DERANGED JACK SMITH

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AND THE PROSECUTORS GO AFTER      
 PEOPLE FOR YEARS AND THEY SAY WE

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WILL ERECT A STRATUE OF YOU OR    
 YOU WILL GO TO JAIL FOR TEN

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YEARS.                            
 MARK MEADOWS THOUGHT IT WAS

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RIGGED.

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>> HOW ABOUT GIULIANI?

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>> WHAT IS MARK MEADOWS TELLING   
 PROSECUTORS?

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WHAT WILL IT MEAN FOR DONALD      
 TRUMP?

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>> WHO WAS CLOSER TO DONALD       
 TRUMP DURING THOSE KEY MOMENTS

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LEADING UP TO AND DURING JANUARY 
 6 THAN MARK MEADOWS?

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>> MARK MEADOWS, ACCORDING TO MY 
 CONTACTS ON THE JANUARY 6

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COMMITTEE, HAS THE KEYS TO THE    
 CASTLE.

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HIM TALKING TO THE SPECIAL        
 COUNSEL GOTTA SEND A SHIVER DOWN

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THE SPINE OF TRUMP'S TEAM AND     
 LIKELY THE FORMER PRESIDENT

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HIMSELF.

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>> YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH     
 THIS JUDGE, TONYA CHUTKAN.

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>> I HAVE WATCHED 1,150 JANUARY   
 6 DEFENDANTS HAVE THEIR CASES

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HEARD IN THIS COURT.              
 WHEN I SAW THE CASE NUMBER FOR

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DONALD TRUMP'S WASHINGTON, D.C.   
 CRIMINAL CASE, IT JUST JUMPED

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OFF THE PAGE AT ME.               
 IT WAS THE FIRST THING I NOTICED

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BEFORE I READ THE CHARGES.        
 I SAW THE CASE WAS ASSIGNED TO

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HER.                              
 I'M LIKE, OH, OH, THIS CAN'T BE

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THE DRAW DONALD TRUMP WANTED      
 FROM THE LOTTERY FROM WHICH THEY

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PICK JUDGES.                      
 SHE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR EXTRANEOUS

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DELAYS OR A SLUGGISH DOCKET.      
 THAT'S TRUMP'S M.O.

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SLOW THINGS DOWN, STRETCH THINGS 
 OUT.

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JUDGE CHUTKAN DOESN'T DO THAT.    
 TRUMP WANTED A TRIAL DATE OF

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APRIL 2026.                       
 SHE GAVE HIM MARCH 2024, ALMOST

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EXACTLY WHAT PROSECUTORS WANTED.

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>> SHE'S RULED ON ONE VERY        
 IMPORTANT CASE HERE ON JANUARY

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6. 6.

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>> THIS WAS A PIVOTAL RULING.     
 THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE WANTED

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RECORDS.                          
 TRUMP DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE

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TURNED OVER.                      
 THAT CASE RANDOMLY ASSIGNED TO

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JUDGE CHUTKAN.                    
 SHE SAID THE RECORDS COULD BE

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TURNED OVER TO THE COMMITTEE.     
 SHE SAID THE PRESIDENT ISN'T A

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KING.                             
 TRUMP ISN'T THE PRESIDENT.

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IT'S REALLY DEFINED WHAT SHE'S    
 BEEN SAYING AS SHE HANDLES THIS

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CRIMINAL CASE.                    
 THE CAMPAIGN WILL NOT IMPACT THE

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TIMING OF THIS CASE.              
 YOU HAVE SUPER TUESDAY, YOU HAVE

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CAMPAIGN STOPS YOU WANT TO MAKE, 
 YOU WANT TO BE OUT IN AMERICA,

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DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S RELEVANT   
 TO HER.

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>> THE GAG ORDER?

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>> PROSECUTORS WANTED A PARTIAL   
 GAG ORDER TO LIMIT WHAT HE POSTS

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AND SAYS.                         
 SHE SAID, ANY OTHER CRIMINAL

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DEFENDANT, I WOULD BE CONCERNED   
 IF HE OR SHE WAS TARGETING

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PROSECUTORS, THE JUDGE, THE       
 JUDGE'S FAMILY, POTENTIAL

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WITNESSES.                        
 SHE HAS SAID SO MANY WORDS, WE

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WILL TREAT DONALD TRUMP LIKE ANY 
 OTHER CRIMINAL DEFENDANT.

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>> DONALD TRUMP WAS ORDERED TO    
 TAKE THE WITNESS STAND TODAY

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AFTER MAN AFTER MTHE JUDGE     
           ACCUSED HIM OF

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BREAKING THE GAG ORDER.

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>> HE SAID THE PERSON SITTING     
 NEXT TO HIM IS VERY PARTISAN.

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>> THAT GAG ORDER SAID THAT       
 TRUMP COULD NOT SPEAK ILL ABOUT

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ANYONE ON HIS STAFF.              
 DID YOU VIOLATE THE GAG ORDER?

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>> NO.

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>> WERE YOU REFERRING TO THE      
 CLERK?

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>> WITH RESPECT TO WHAT?

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>> THE DISPARAGING COMMENTS.

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>> NOT AT ALL.                    
 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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>> THE JUDGE SAID HE FOUND        
 TRUMP'S ANSWERS NOT CREDIBLE AND

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FINED HIM $10,000.

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>> IT'S THURSDAY AFTERNOON IN     
 GEORGIA.

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WE EXPECTED TO BE COVERING        
 TRIALS AND DISTRICT ATTORNEY

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WILLIS' MASSIVE RICO              
 RACKETEERING CASE AGAINST TRUMP

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AND 18 OTHER DEFENDANTS FOR       
 ELECTION SUBVERSION.

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INSTEAD, WE HAD A FLURRY OF PLEA 
 DEALS.

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00:18:04,316 --> 00:18:07,586
THE BIG SHOCKER THIS WEEK WAS     
 JENNA ELLIS, TRUMP LAWYER.

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AND THEN LAST NIGHT CNN REPORTED 
 THAT WILLIS HAD OFFERED UP PLEA

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00:18:12,124 --> 00:18:17,096
DEALS FOR SIX OTHER DEFENDANTS.   
 I CAN'T IMAGINE A PROSECUTOR AND

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I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS PROSECUTOR   
 TAKING ON A FORMER PRESIDENT

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WITHOUT FEELING LIKE THEIR CASE   
 WAS JAM UP AND JELLY TIGHT.

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>> IS IT RIGHT TO THINK THE PLEA 
 DEALS MAKE THE WHOLE CASE

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STRONGER?                         
 I HEARD ONE FORMER PROSECUTOR

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SAYING, YOU ARE TURNING PEOPLE    
 FROM ED

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FROM EADVERSARY FROM        
    EADVERSARIES INTO WITNESSE.

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>> RIGHT.

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00:18:41,553 --> 00:18:44,256
>> WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE       
 WHOLE UNDERLYING CASE?

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>> LOOKING AT TRUMP               
 SPECIFICALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS

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I THINK EVERYBODY THINKS HE IS    
 GOING TO DO IS TRY TO MOUNT AN

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00:18:51,063 --> 00:18:54,633
ADVICE OF COUNSEL DEFENSE.        
 YOU CAN'T HOLD ME RESPONSIBLE

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BECAUSE I WAS DOING WHAT MY       
 LAWYERS TOLD ME TO DO.

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00:19:00,506 --> 00:19:02,074
WHEN YOU HAVE THREE LAWYERS       
 SAYING, THESE ARE FALSE

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00:19:02,174 --> 00:19:03,542
STATEMENTS.                       
 THIS WAS WRONG.

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I THINK IT BECOMES VERY HARD TO   
 MAKE AN ADVICE OF COUNSEL

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00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:12,351
DEFENSE.                          
 YOU CAN'T TAKE ADVICE FROM YOUR

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00:19:12,451 --> 00:19:14,019
CO-CONSPIRATORS.                  
 IF YOUR COUNSEL IS IN ON IT,

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THEY ARE NOT ACTING AS AN         
 ATTORNEY.

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THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY           
 DIFFICULT FOR HIM.

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00:19:19,525 --> 00:19:22,961
>> THESE OTHER TRIALS, THE        
 CONCERN IS RUSH TO GET THEM DONE

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BEFORE THE ELECTION SO THAT       
 VOTERS ARE MAKING AN INFORMED

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CHOICE.                           
 DO YOU THINK TRUMP COULD GO TO

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00:19:30,469 --> 00:19:34,706
TRIAL IN GEORGIA BEFORE THE       
 ELECTION IN

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00:19:34,806 --> 00:19:35,541
ELECTIO                           
 ELECTION?

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00:19:35,641 --> 00:19:37,776
>> SURE.                          
 OLDER CASES GET TRIED FIRST.

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00:19:37,876 --> 00:19:42,548
>> THE JACK SMITH CASE WAS FILED 
 PRIOR TO WILLIS.

335
00:19:42,648 --> 00:19:45,617
>> WITH THE JANUARY 6 TRIAL       
 STARTING MARCH 4th, THE JUDGE IN

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00:19:45,717 --> 00:19:49,221
THIS CASE CAN START TRIAL IN THE 
 SUMMER OF 2024.

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00:19:49,321 --> 00:19:50,155
>> OH.

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00:19:50,522 --> 00:19:53,292
>> BECAUSE NOT JUST THE           
 DEFENDANT BUT THE PUBLIC HAS THE

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00:19:53,392 --> 00:19:54,626
RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL.

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00:19:54,726 --> 00:19:58,497
>> "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTED IT   
 WAS WITH STUNNING SWIFTNESS THAT

341
00:19:58,597 --> 00:20:03,936
WILLIS WAS MOVING FASTER THAN     
 DOJ OR THE TRUMP TEAM

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00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:07,239
ANTICIPATED WITH THE PLEA DEALS. 
 WHY DO YOU THINK SHE'S MOVING SO

343
00:20:07,339 --> 00:20:07,873
FAST?

344
00:20:08,273 --> 00:20:10,809
>> CRIMINAL CASES AREN'T LIKE     
 FINE LINE

345
00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:13,612
FINE LIWINES.                     
 THEY DON'T GET BETTER WITH AGE.

346
00:20:13,712 --> 00:20:16,381
FOUR PEOPLE PLEADED GUILTY.       
 THEY ARE IMPLICATING OTHER

347
00:20:16,481 --> 00:20:16,982
PEOPLE.

348
00:20:17,683 --> 00:20:18,584
>> DOES THAT CREATE A DYNAMIC     
 WITH THE OTHER DEFENDANTS?

349
00:20:18,684 --> 00:20:21,920
>> IT HAS TO.                     
 AS TIME GOES ON AND MORE PEOPLE

350
00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:24,256
FLIP, THEY WILL SEE WHAT PEOPLE   
 ARE SAYING.

351
00:20:24,356 --> 00:20:28,360
>> HOW DOES THIS IMPACT JACK      
 SMITH'S D.C. CASE?

352
00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:33,031
>> SO MANY WAYS.                  
 ALL THE PUBLIC STATEMENTS MADE

353
00:20:33,131 --> 00:20:36,768
BY THE PEOPLE PLEAING, JACK       
 SMITH CAN USE THOUGH.

354
00:20:36,868 --> 00:20:40,405
I DON'T THINK SHE SET OUT TO      
 HELP JACK SMITH, BUT I THINK SHE

355
00:20:40,505 --> 00:20:44,109
CERTAINLY HAD THAT PRACTICAL      
 AFFECT OF HELPING THE FEDERAL

356
00:20:44,209 --> 00:20:45,277
GOVERNMENT WITH THIS CASE.

357
00:20:45,377 --> 00:20:48,146
>> MORE PEOPLE WHO MAKE DEALS DO 
 IT PUBLICALLY, THE MORE

358
00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:51,383
INFORMATION THERE IS OUT THERE,   
 THE MORE IT BUTTRESSES HIS CASE.

359
00:20:51,483 --> 00:20:55,187
WHETHER WILLIS IS INTENDING THIS 
 OR NOT, IT WILL HAVE THAT

360
00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:55,854
IMPACT?

361
00:20:56,388 --> 00:20:59,057
>> IT WILL HAPPEN.                
 IF EVEN THEY ARE NOT PICKING UP

362
00:20:59,157 --> 00:21:01,693
THE PHONE AND TALKING, IT'S GOT   
 TO BE ON THEIR MIND.

363
00:21:01,793 --> 00:21:06,465
>> TWO SMART, CAPABLE LAWYERS     
 EXISTING IN THEIR OWN UNIVERSES.

364
00:21:06,565 --> 00:21:08,333
>> RIGHT.                         
 BUT THEY IMPACT EACH OTHER.

365
00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:10,969
JACK HAS TO KEEP GEORGIA ON HIS   
 MIND.

366
00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:16,875
[ LAUGHTER ]

367
00:21:16,975 --> 00:21:19,378
>> EVER SINCE DONALD TRUMP        
 BECAME A PUBLIC FIGURE, PEOPLE

368
00:21:19,478 --> 00:21:23,215
HAVE BEEN COMPARING HIM TO A      
 MAFIA BOSS.

369
00:21:23,315 --> 00:21:26,885
NOW IT'S NOT JUST TRUMP           
 BEHAVIOR, IT'S THE BEHAVIOR OF

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00:21:26,985 --> 00:21:30,422
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PURSUING HIM, 
 PROSECUTORS IN ALL THE CASES

371
00:21:30,522 --> 00:21:34,960
USING THE SAME TACTICS AGAINST    
 TRUMP THAT THEY USE AGAINST

372
00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:39,498
LEADERS OF ORGANIZED CRIME.       
 THEN YOU SEE THIS CONCERTED

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00:21:39,598 --> 00:21:42,534
STRATEGY FOR PROSECUTE STRATEGY   
      FOR PROSECUTORS FOCUSED

374
00:21:42,634 --> 00:21:45,404
ON GETTING DONALD TRUMP'S MOST    
 LOYAL LIEUTENANTS TO FLIP ON HIM

375
00:21:45,504 --> 00:21:49,975
TO SAVE THEIR OWN SKIN.           
 IF YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE OF

376
00:21:50,075 --> 00:21:52,577
ORGANIZED CRIME COMES FROM THE    
 MOVIES, THE SPECTACLE WE HAVE

377
00:21:52,678 --> 00:21:59,351
SEEN OVER THE PAST WEEK AND A     
 HALF CALLS TO MIND "GOODFELLAS"

378
00:21:59,451 --> 00:22:04,423
WHEN RAY TURNS ON ROBERT TO SAVE 
 HIMSELF FROM A LIFE IN PRISON OR

379
00:22:04,523 --> 00:22:04,956
DEATH.

380
00:22:05,557 --> 00:22:08,126
>> DO YOU SEE HIM HERE IN THE     
 COURTROOM TODAY?

381
00:22:08,226 --> 00:22:08,727
>> YES.

382
00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:12,898
>> PLEASE POINT HIM OUT FOR THE   
 MEMBERS OF THE JURY.

383
00:22:12,998 --> 00:22:16,468
YOUR HONOR, LET THE RECORD        
 REFLECT HE IDENTIFIED THE

384
00:22:16,568 --> 00:22:17,169
DEFENDANT.

385
00:22:17,636 --> 00:22:22,374
>> TO EXPLORE THAT THEME          
 FURTHER, HERE IN MIDTOWN

386
00:22:22,474 --> 00:22:28,180
MANHATTAN WHERE IN 1985 JOHN      
 GOTTI HAD THE HEAD OF THE

387
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,916
GAMBINO CRIME FAMILY WHACKED      
 RIGHT HERE ON THE SIDEWALK.

388
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:37,622
WE ARE MEETING UP WITH ANDREW     
 WEISSMANN AND WITH FORMER FBI

389
00:22:37,723 --> 00:22:41,059
INVESTIGATOR CHRIS FABO.          
 IN THE EARLY 1990s, THEY WORKED

390
00:22:41,159 --> 00:22:47,833
TOGETHER TO TAKE DOWN THE COLUMN 
 TOGETHER TO TAKE DOWN THE CO

391
00:22:47,933 --> 00:22:51,603
COLOMBO CRIME FAMILY.             
 THIS IS A THING YOU ENTERED INTO

392
00:22:51,703 --> 00:22:57,843
EVIDENCE IN COURT IN 1992.        
 YOU GOT THE ACTING BOSS, THE

393
00:22:57,943 --> 00:23:03,148
UNDER BOSS, YOU GOT, OF COURSE,   
 CARMINE THE SNAKE, JOEY LEGS.

394
00:23:03,248 --> 00:23:05,584
>> WE PROSECUTED HIM FOR MURDER.

395
00:23:05,684 --> 00:23:10,422
>> HANK THE BANK, FAT LARRY, JOE 
 FISH.

396
00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:11,623
FRANKY BLUE EYES.

397
00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:12,758
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO MEET HIM.

398
00:23:12,858 --> 00:23:16,361
>> I DON'T WANT TO MEET ANY OF    
 THESE GUYS.

399
00:23:16,461 --> 00:23:18,563
>> JOEY BRAINS.

400
00:23:18,663 --> 00:23:23,702
>> JOEY BRAINS WAS HIS NICKNAME. 
 IT WAS NOT SAID IN A

401
00:23:23,802 --> 00:23:24,669
COMPLEMENTARY WAY.

402
00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:28,240
>> HE ROBBED A STORE WHEN HE WAS 
 14 AND RAN INTO THE SOCIAL CLUB

403
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:31,810
WHERE THE GAMBLING WAS GOING ON. 
 THAT'S WHY THEY CALLED HIM JOEY

404
00:23:31,910 --> 00:23:33,445
BRAINS.

405
00:23:33,545 --> 00:23:37,883
>> THESE FAMILIES IN A LOT OF     
 CASES WERE THOUGHT OF AS ABOVE

406
00:23:37,983 --> 00:23:40,051
THE LAW.                          
 ONE BY ONE, THEY GOT TAKEN DOWN

407
00:23:40,152 --> 00:23:45,490
BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU, STARTING      
 WITH THE SMALL FISH AND THE

408
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:49,327
SMALL FISH FLIPS AND YOU FIND     
 YOURSELF UP TO THE WHALE.

409
00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:51,196
HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT GETTING       
 PEOPLE TO FLIP?

410
00:23:51,296 --> 00:23:54,266
>> THE IDEA IS TO BUILD THE CASE 
 AGAINST THEM SO THAT THEY REALLY

411
00:23:54,366 --> 00:23:58,003
HAVE NO FUTURE IN THE LIFE.       
 JUST GETTING THEM TO REALIZE

412
00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:01,440
THAT IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE     
 PROCESS.

413
00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:06,478
NOBODY COMES IN WITHOUT HAVING    
 AN ARREST, A DEATH THREAT,

414
00:24:06,578 --> 00:24:09,414
SOMETHING ELSE UPON THEM.         
 THERE'S NO REASON TO COME IN.

415
00:24:09,514 --> 00:24:12,884
>> IN THE PROCESS OF              
 PROSECUTING, INVESTIGATING AND

416
00:24:12,984 --> 00:24:16,922
PROSECUTING, YOU GOT TO SEE WHAT 
 MOB BOSSES ARE LIKE.

417
00:24:17,022 --> 00:24:19,524
PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TRUMP    
 LIKE HE WAS A MOB BOSS FOR A

418
00:24:19,624 --> 00:24:21,226
LONG TIME.                        
 DO YOU SEE THE PARALLELS?

419
00:24:21,326 --> 00:24:25,030
>> THERE'S A LOT OF PARALLELS.    
 IN PARTICULAR, THE ATTACKS ON

420
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:28,033
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE POTENTIAL     
 WITNESSES AGAINST HIM.

421
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:32,504
OF COURSE, IF THIS WAS IN MOB     
 LIFE, THAT USUALLY ENDS UP WITH

422
00:24:32,604 --> 00:24:36,041
SOME SORT OF DEATH SENTENCE AND   
 SO FORTH FOR THESE PEOPLE.

423
00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:37,876
ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE CALLED A   
 RAT.

424
00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:42,280
THE BULLYING IN PARTICULAR, A     
 LOT COMES FROM THE SAME MINDSET.

425
00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:47,786
>> THE EMPHASIS ON LOYALTY IS SO 
 REMINISCENT OF JOHN GOTTI.

426
00:24:47,886 --> 00:24:53,091
JOHN GOTTI WAS CAUGHT ON TAPE IN 
 A CASE THAT WE PROSECUTED WHERE

427
00:24:53,191 --> 00:24:56,428
HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHY LOUIE WILL 
 BE KILLED?

428
00:24:56,528 --> 00:25:01,566
HE IS BEING KILLED BECAUSE I      
 CALLED HIM TO COME IN AND HE

429
00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:05,403
DIDN'T COME IN.                   
 THAT SENSE OF, I AM THE BOSS,

430
00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:10,809
YOU ARE LOYAL TO ME.              
 IN ABSENCE OF LOYALTY IS THE

431
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:11,610
DEATH PENALTY.

432
00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:13,478
>> TRUMP'S ATTACKS ON             
 PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES AND

433
00:25:13,578 --> 00:25:18,950
INTIMIDATION OF WITNESSES, HE IS 
 DOING IT IN A FLAGRANT WAY.

434
00:25:19,050 --> 00:25:28,560
HE ATTACKED JACK SMITH AS         
 DERANGED, A LOU

435
00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:30,395
DERANGED, A LUNATIC.              
 WERE THERE MAFIA BOSSES THAT

436
00:25:30,495 --> 00:25:34,165
WOULD DO FIGURE LIKE THAT?        
 GO ON "THE NEW YORK POST" AND

437
00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:37,302
ATTACK THE JUDGE WHO WAS HEARING 
 AN ORGANIZED CRIME CASE?

438
00:25:37,402 --> 00:25:40,805
>> IT WOULDN'T BE DONE.           
 IF THEY DID, IT WOULD BE DONE

439
00:25:40,906 --> 00:25:44,509
QUIETLY AND IN A WAY IT WASN'T    
 CONNECTED TO THE FAMILY.

440
00:25:44,609 --> 00:25:46,711
>> TRUMP SEEMS TO HAVE A          
 DIFFERENT ETHOS.

441
00:25:46,811 --> 00:25:50,015
>> HOW REAL DO YOU THINK THE      
 THREAT IS TO THOSE PEOPLE HE IS

442
00:25:50,115 --> 00:25:51,149
ATTACKING?

443
00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:55,654
>> WE KNOW IT'S REAL.             
 THERE'S A WOMAN WHO IS UNDER

444
00:25:55,754 --> 00:25:58,623
INDICTMENT NOW FOR THREATENING    
 JUDGE CHUTKAN.

445
00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:03,528
THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE SO   
 MANY LONE WOLVES WHO LISTEN TO

446
00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:07,532
WHAT TRUMP IS SAYING AND DECIDE, 
 I'M GOING TO ACT ON IT.

447
00:26:07,632 --> 00:26:13,538
THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU ARE        
 SEEING THE GAG ORDERS.

448
00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:18,743
IN THE PRESIDENT'S BRIEF ON THE   
 GAG ORDER, HE SAYS, WHETHER

449
00:26:18,843 --> 00:26:23,748
PEOPLE ACT ON THIS, THAT'S ON     
 THEM, NOT ON ME.

450
00:26:23,848 --> 00:26:27,152
>> DO YOU THINK TRUMP WOULD CARE 
 IF SOMEONE TOOK A SHOT AT JUDGE

451
00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:27,686
CHUTKAN?

452
00:26:27,786 --> 00:26:29,387
>> I DON'T THINK SO.

453
00:26:29,487 --> 00:26:32,591
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN     
 THE TRUMP ERA THAT ARE CHILLING

454
00:26:32,691 --> 00:26:34,359
TO ME.                            
 OF COURSE, THE FORMER PRESIDENT

455
00:26:34,459 --> 00:26:42,968
WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY IF       
 SOMEONE TOOK A SHOT A JUDGE

456
00:26:43,068 --> 00:26:44,636
THAT'S PROSECUTING --

457
00:26:44,736 --> 00:26:46,972
>> IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S           
 THREATENING SOMEBODY.

458
00:26:47,072 --> 00:26:51,910
THAT'S IT.

459
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:55,680
>> TRUMP IS SUCH A THOROUGHLY     
 NEW YORK CHARACTER OF AN ERA

460
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:58,450
WHEN THE FIVE FAMILIES MATTERED   
 IN NEW YORK.

461
00:26:58,550 --> 00:27:02,687
TRUMP MOVED IN THIS WORLD.        
 REAL ESTATE, TOTALLY MOBBED UP,

462
00:27:02,787 --> 00:27:06,825
EVERYTHING HE DID.                
 ATLANTIC CITY, CASINO BUSINESS.

463
00:27:06,925 --> 00:27:10,895
I THINK ABOUT THIS IN THE         
 CONTEXT OF THE DONS WHO THOUGHT

464
00:27:10,996 --> 00:27:12,597
THEY WOULD GET AWAY WITH IT       
 FOREVER.

465
00:27:12,697 --> 00:27:14,966
THE ROOF CAVED IN.                
 CAN YOU IMAGINE DONALD TRUMP IN

466
00:27:15,066 --> 00:27:17,636
AN ORANGE JUMPSUIT?

467
00:27:17,736 --> 00:27:19,971
>> NO.                            
 NOT FOR THE REASON YOU THINK.

468
00:27:20,071 --> 00:27:22,907
I THINK HE IS GOING TO FLEE THE   
 COUNTRY BEFORE HE CAN BE PUT IN

469
00:27:23,008 --> 00:27:25,543
A JUMPSUIT.

470
00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:30,715
>> WOW.                           
 IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO SIT

471
00:27:30,815 --> 00:27:35,787
THERE AND LISTEN TO THE           
 TESTIMONY THAT COMES IN AGAINST

472
00:27:35,887 --> 00:27:38,289
YOU.                              
 DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY, IT'S A

473
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:39,924
TERRIBLE CRIME.                   
 FUGITIVES RUN ALL THE TIME.

474
00:27:40,025 --> 00:27:42,093
I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WILL TRY   
 TO DO.

475
00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:46,865
>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD     
 IMAGINE DONALD TRUMP IN AN

476
00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:48,633
ORANGE JUMPSUIT IN                
 ORANGE JUMPSUIT ?

477
00:27:48,733 --> 00:27:49,234
ORANGE JUMPSUIT ?

478
00:27:49,768 --> 00:27:50,969
>> ABSOLUTELY.                    
 IF YOU LEAVE THE POLITICAL OUT,

479
00:27:51,069 --> 00:27:54,906
HE IS GETTING CONVICTED.          
 THE TWO FEDERAL CASES ARE -- HE

480
00:27:55,006 --> 00:27:59,611
IS DONE.                          
 WE COULD LITERALLY BE IN THIS

481
00:27:59,711 --> 00:28:05,216
SITUATION WHERE HE IS CONVICTED   
 AND HE IS ALSO RE-ELECTED.

482
00:28:05,316 --> 00:28:10,955
AT THAT POINT, THE ANSWER IS,     
 ISN'T THAT THE END OF WHAT WE

483
00:28:11,056 --> 00:28:20,732
THINK OF AS AMERICA?              
  DO YOU MISS ME NOW

484
00:28:20,832 --> 00:28:23,601
EVERYBODY TRYING TO COPY MY     
 STYLE

485
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:29,274
THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ME,     
 I'M ON FIRE

486
00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:34,646
THE BADDEST ON THE SCENE, LIKE 
 PEACHES AND CREAM

487
00:28:34,846 --> 00:28:34,879
CHECK

488
00:28:34,879 --> 00:28:36,848
CHECK ME