1 00:00:04,767 --> 00:00:06,600 MARGIE: My daughter was at the grocery store, 2 00:00:09,667 --> 00:00:11,600 and she happened to walk up to the check stand, 3 00:00:11,667 --> 00:00:13,867 and this was right by the check stand, and... 4 00:00:14,867 --> 00:00:18,800 she was quite shocked -- there's her mother. 5 00:00:20,467 --> 00:00:23,266 "Margie, there's a guy on 'America's Most Wanted' 6 00:00:23,266 --> 00:00:25,667 "who looks just like your hubby, 7 00:00:25,767 --> 00:00:26,967 and he's a murderer." 8 00:00:29,700 --> 00:00:30,000 When I first saw this, I wanted to go to all 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,100 When I first saw this, I wanted to go to all 10 00:00:33,166 --> 00:00:37,467 the stores and gather them all up and take them off the shelf. 11 00:00:37,467 --> 00:00:39,867 It was like, can you believe it? 12 00:00:39,967 --> 00:00:41,667 She was married to a murderer. 13 00:00:43,166 --> 00:00:44,900 Is that going to be what people are going 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,100 to say from now on? 15 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:50,000 I've even had people say, 16 00:00:50,066 --> 00:00:53,600 "I would have never let that happen to me," 17 00:00:53,667 --> 00:00:54,767 and I said, 18 00:00:57,667 --> 00:00:58,667 "How do you know?" 19 00:01:01,767 --> 00:01:03,066 People think what they think, 20 00:01:03,066 --> 00:01:05,467 but I know the true story and I know what happened, 21 00:01:05,567 --> 00:01:08,967 and I know what I did, 22 00:01:08,967 --> 00:01:10,700 and, um, 23 00:01:10,767 --> 00:01:15,367 the only thing that I want to do was to get my story 24 00:01:15,467 --> 00:01:19,567 out there to help young women be more aware of what's 25 00:01:19,667 --> 00:01:22,767 out there and to be careful. 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,567 He fooled everybody -- he was so good at it. 27 00:01:39,667 --> 00:01:41,667 Everybody believed in him, 28 00:01:41,667 --> 00:01:44,800 but I couldn't get rid of this feeling that something was 29 00:01:44,867 --> 00:01:47,800 wrong, and I knew that I had to figure it out. 30 00:01:47,867 --> 00:01:51,266 I had to find out who my husband really was. 31 00:01:52,900 --> 00:01:56,000 But never ever would I think I would 32 00:01:56,100 --> 00:02:00,000 be with someone that had done something so evil. 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,200 be with someone that had done something so evil. 34 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:08,100 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 35 00:02:08,166 --> 00:02:10,500 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 36 00:02:10,567 --> 00:02:12,400 [static crackling] 37 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,367 [knock at door] [creaking] 38 00:02:17,367 --> 00:02:22,767 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 39 00:02:22,767 --> 00:02:26,867 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 40 00:02:26,867 --> 00:02:30,000 [water dripping] 41 00:02:30,066 --> 00:02:32,867 [banging on door] [creaking] 42 00:02:32,867 --> 00:02:34,900 [sinister chord strikes] 43 00:02:41,467 --> 00:02:43,100 MARGIE: I was a little insecure about 44 00:02:43,166 --> 00:02:45,700 getting out there in the dating world. 45 00:02:45,767 --> 00:02:47,467 I had been married for 20 years 46 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:50,767 when we got divorced, and after a year, 47 00:02:50,767 --> 00:02:54,400 my girlfriends were bugging me to go out, 48 00:02:54,467 --> 00:02:56,266 and I did like to dance. 49 00:03:01,567 --> 00:03:04,467 We walked into the bar, and everybody was 50 00:03:04,567 --> 00:03:05,467 dressed in Western attire. 51 00:03:05,567 --> 00:03:09,000 They had on cowboy boots and cowboy hats. 52 00:03:09,066 --> 00:03:11,900 And then I saw this gentleman sitting at 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,166 the bar, and he wasn't dressed in Western attire. 54 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:19,667 He was very handsome, 55 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:20,867 and he had a beautiful smile. 56 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:23,100 He had beautiful blue eyes, 57 00:03:23,166 --> 00:03:24,667 and he kept looking my way. 58 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:29,867 I kept turning away, because I was, you know, shy. 59 00:03:29,967 --> 00:03:30,000 Eventually, um, he walked over to 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,667 Eventually, um, he walked over to 61 00:03:33,667 --> 00:03:36,567 the table, and he asked me to dance. 62 00:03:36,567 --> 00:03:38,100 Hey, there. 63 00:03:38,166 --> 00:03:40,000 Hi. 64 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:43,467 He told me his name was Sean Paul Lanier, 65 00:03:43,567 --> 00:03:45,900 and he liked to be called Sean Paul. 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,900 He said he was from New Zealand, 67 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,166 but he didn't have an accent, 68 00:03:50,166 --> 00:03:53,400 but I didn't think anything of it at the time. 69 00:03:53,467 --> 00:03:55,567 He said he worked at a restaurant, 70 00:03:55,567 --> 00:03:58,300 and he wanted eventually to buy his own restaurant. 71 00:03:58,367 --> 00:03:59,367 Now, that impressed me. 72 00:03:59,467 --> 00:04:00,000 I thought, okay, that's -- that's pretty cool. 73 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,800 I thought, okay, that's -- that's pretty cool. 74 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:06,066 And we talked a lot that evening. 75 00:04:06,066 --> 00:04:08,100 He did ask for my phone number 76 00:04:08,166 --> 00:04:11,200 and asked if he could take me out. 77 00:04:11,266 --> 00:04:13,967 It was almost too good to be true 78 00:04:13,967 --> 00:04:15,266 that I'd met this wonderful man 79 00:04:15,367 --> 00:04:17,166 the first time out. 80 00:04:17,266 --> 00:04:19,200 Everything he said was so sweet. 81 00:04:19,266 --> 00:04:22,867 He was such a gentleman, and I thought, it's just -- 82 00:04:22,967 --> 00:04:24,500 it's too good to be true. 83 00:04:45,166 --> 00:04:46,333 Our first date, 84 00:04:46,367 --> 00:04:49,166 he took me to a beautiful restaurant up in the canyon. 85 00:04:49,266 --> 00:04:52,066 I wanted to know everything I could about him, 86 00:04:52,066 --> 00:04:56,100 and he shared quite a bit, um, with me to begin with. 87 00:04:56,166 --> 00:05:00,000 He told me that his mother, his father, 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,400 He told me that his mother, his father, 89 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:03,300 his sister, and brother had all died in an airplane crash, 90 00:05:03,367 --> 00:05:06,567 and his wife had died in childbirth. 91 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:09,000 I'm sorry -- this is not what I should be 92 00:05:09,066 --> 00:05:10,266 talking about during dinner. 93 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:13,166 Well, that must have been so tough. 94 00:05:13,266 --> 00:05:14,767 MARGIE: My heart went out to him. 95 00:05:14,867 --> 00:05:18,467 I'd never really met anyone that was so open with me. 96 00:05:18,467 --> 00:05:21,400 But also, I'm thinking there's 97 00:05:21,467 --> 00:05:24,166 a lot of deaths this guy's been through. 98 00:05:24,266 --> 00:05:27,266 He did tell me he had a daughter that went to college 99 00:05:27,367 --> 00:05:30,000 in California, and he had a son that went to college 100 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,800 in California, and he had a son that went to college 101 00:05:31,867 --> 00:05:33,200 in Montana. 102 00:05:33,266 --> 00:05:36,066 And so I knew he was a family man, and I 103 00:05:36,066 --> 00:05:38,767 really liked that about him, too, because I have 104 00:05:38,767 --> 00:05:40,066 three daughters. 105 00:05:40,066 --> 00:05:43,367 It kind of brought me, I think, closer to him then. 106 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:46,867 We were sitting at the table, and I noticed 107 00:05:46,867 --> 00:05:48,767 a girlfriend of mine was sitting at a table with 108 00:05:48,867 --> 00:05:49,767 some people. 109 00:05:49,767 --> 00:05:52,767 -How are you? -I'm good! I'm good. 110 00:05:52,867 --> 00:05:55,100 MARGIE: Eventually, um, my girlfriend came over 111 00:05:55,166 --> 00:05:59,266 and said hello, and he... 112 00:05:59,266 --> 00:06:00,000 really wouldn't look at her. 113 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,767 really wouldn't look at her. 114 00:06:00,867 --> 00:06:03,600 He wouldn't really look her in the eye. 115 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:07,200 He said hardly two words to her, 116 00:06:07,266 --> 00:06:10,800 and she was uncomfortable, and I was uncomfortable. 117 00:06:12,467 --> 00:06:15,467 But at the time, there wasn't any really 118 00:06:15,467 --> 00:06:18,367 huge red flags. 119 00:06:18,467 --> 00:06:22,700 I just chalked it up to, he must be really shy. 120 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,166 The conversation didn't last very long. 121 00:06:27,166 --> 00:06:30,000 She left, and then he turned right back into the charming, 122 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,500 She left, and then he turned right back into the charming, 123 00:06:30,567 --> 00:06:32,900 wonderful man that he was before 124 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,600 she had come to the table. 125 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,767 I think, looking back, 126 00:06:39,867 --> 00:06:42,867 the way he acted with my friend was 127 00:06:42,967 --> 00:06:44,667 he didn't want them to look at his face 128 00:06:44,767 --> 00:06:47,767 for too long, because they might remember him 129 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:52,967 and, um, find out later on who he really was. 130 00:07:04,367 --> 00:07:08,000 There was a time at the restaurant that they wanted 131 00:07:08,066 --> 00:07:10,367 Sean Paul, because he was the head chef, 132 00:07:10,467 --> 00:07:15,000 to go on the news channel to, um, a cooking segment. 133 00:07:15,066 --> 00:07:19,100 He told me he was nervous, he didn't want to be on TV. 134 00:07:19,166 --> 00:07:22,600 He was trying to get the assistant chef to go on 135 00:07:22,667 --> 00:07:25,200 instead, and they said, "No, we want you, 136 00:07:25,266 --> 00:07:27,800 you're the head chef, you need to go on and do this." 137 00:07:27,867 --> 00:07:29,600 So I was pretty excited. 138 00:07:32,567 --> 00:07:34,100 And I turned on the show, 139 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,300 and there he was in this tall chef hat pulled way down. 140 00:07:41,367 --> 00:07:44,667 Um, he was wearing glasses that I'd never seen. 141 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,000 He didn't even look like the same man. 142 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:51,467 I wouldn't have recognized him if I didn't know it was him. 143 00:07:51,467 --> 00:07:52,867 He looked a little nervous. 144 00:07:52,967 --> 00:07:55,900 He was cooking, but he was looking down, 145 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,467 and he wouldn't really look up. 146 00:07:57,467 --> 00:07:59,567 He wouldn't even look at the host. 147 00:08:01,667 --> 00:08:04,767 When Sean Paul came home from the cooking show, 148 00:08:04,867 --> 00:08:08,200 I said, "Where in the heck did you get the chef hat? 149 00:08:08,266 --> 00:08:09,133 That big tall one?" 150 00:08:09,166 --> 00:08:10,767 He goes, "That's just what they gave me 151 00:08:10,867 --> 00:08:12,000 at the restaurant." 152 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:13,500 AS SEAN PAUL: Uh, the restaurant gave it to me. 153 00:08:13,567 --> 00:08:15,700 You didn't like it? 154 00:08:15,767 --> 00:08:17,767 MARGIE: He had an answer for everything, 155 00:08:17,867 --> 00:08:19,867 Why are you wearing glasses? 156 00:08:19,967 --> 00:08:22,400 He said, "Well, I did go to the eye doctor, and I'm trying 157 00:08:22,467 --> 00:08:24,300 out these new glasses," and I said, "Well, it 158 00:08:24,367 --> 00:08:26,467 didn't even look like you," and he says, "Well, that's good, 159 00:08:26,467 --> 00:08:29,467 because I don't want anybody to see me on a TV show." 160 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:30,000 AS SEAN PAUL: You know how I feel about being on TV. 161 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,767 AS SEAN PAUL: You know how I feel about being on TV. 162 00:08:31,767 --> 00:08:36,266 MARGIE: Again, I thought, well, he's shy, and he never, 163 00:08:36,266 --> 00:08:41,000 ever messed up his lies, ever -- looking back, 164 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:44,467 I know now he didn't want people to recognize him. 165 00:08:44,567 --> 00:08:45,900 He was still hiding. 166 00:08:55,166 --> 00:08:58,767 We had gotten closer, and, um, he was spending a lot of time at 167 00:08:58,867 --> 00:09:00,000 the house, so he suggested ways 168 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,166 the house, so he suggested ways 169 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:02,867 that he could fix up the house to make 170 00:09:02,867 --> 00:09:04,166 me and the girls happy. 171 00:09:05,567 --> 00:09:08,300 He could finish the basement, put in a hot tub, 172 00:09:08,367 --> 00:09:12,000 maybe even a pool, and he could do all the work. 173 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:14,100 I took out a second mortgage on 174 00:09:14,166 --> 00:09:15,767 the house and gave him the money. 175 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:22,867 When Sean Paul was working in the house, 176 00:09:22,867 --> 00:09:25,000 my nephew would come and help him. 177 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,000 And there was one time my nephew said, 178 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,467 And there was one time my nephew said, 179 00:09:30,467 --> 00:09:32,100 "Sean!" Called him Sean. -Hey, Sean. 180 00:09:32,166 --> 00:09:34,667 and he didn't answer. 181 00:09:34,667 --> 00:09:36,200 -Sean! -And he called his name again, 182 00:09:36,266 --> 00:09:38,467 "Sean!" He didn't answer. 183 00:09:38,467 --> 00:09:41,166 And, um, finally he yelled, "Sean Paul!" 184 00:09:41,266 --> 00:09:43,200 and he turned around. 185 00:09:43,266 --> 00:09:45,300 Yeah? 186 00:09:45,367 --> 00:09:48,567 -I was calling for you. -Thanks, buddy. 187 00:09:48,667 --> 00:09:50,667 He said, "Why didn't you answer me?" 188 00:09:50,667 --> 00:09:53,367 And he says, "I'm used to being called both names." 189 00:09:53,367 --> 00:09:56,467 I thought it was weird, my nephew thought it was weird, 190 00:09:56,467 --> 00:09:58,567 and it happened several times. -[mouthing words] 191 00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:00,000 Sometimes I would say "Sean." Nothing. 192 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,400 Sometimes I would say "Sean." Nothing. 193 00:10:01,467 --> 00:10:04,200 And -- but when I would say, "Sean Paul," 194 00:10:04,266 --> 00:10:05,467 then he would answer. 195 00:10:06,667 --> 00:10:11,800 But at the time, it was easy to gloss over 196 00:10:11,867 --> 00:10:14,567 everything, because he was 197 00:10:14,567 --> 00:10:17,567 so charming, and he always said the right thing, and he acted 198 00:10:17,567 --> 00:10:18,700 the right way. 199 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:22,400 Looking back now, 200 00:10:22,467 --> 00:10:24,867 of course he's not gonna answer 201 00:10:24,867 --> 00:10:26,767 by Sean, because that's not his name. 202 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:35,567 MARGIE: Sean Paul was very generous. 203 00:10:35,667 --> 00:10:39,266 He was always buying little gifts, and sometimes it was just 204 00:10:39,266 --> 00:10:42,100 too much, over the top, and I would feel uncomfortable. 205 00:10:43,567 --> 00:10:46,867 One day, he had bought gym memberships for us. 206 00:10:46,967 --> 00:10:50,266 It was too expensive, and I just could not accept it. 207 00:10:50,266 --> 00:10:51,500 It was just too much. 208 00:10:52,467 --> 00:10:55,066 He says, "Let me buy you and the girls some workout outfits," 209 00:10:55,166 --> 00:10:57,266 and I told him no. 210 00:10:57,367 --> 00:10:59,800 He would not listen to what I had to say 211 00:10:59,867 --> 00:11:00,880 and respect my feelings. 212 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,367 and respect my feelings. 213 00:11:10,567 --> 00:11:13,767 So a few days later, I took the girls to the mall, 214 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,567 and, um, when we came home, we walked in the house, 215 00:11:19,667 --> 00:11:21,500 and I turned to walk down the hallway, 216 00:11:21,567 --> 00:11:25,000 and there was all these gym clothes hanging on 217 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:27,166 all the doors of the bedrooms. 218 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,880 I knew immediately that Sean Paul had put them there. 219 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,066 I knew immediately that Sean Paul had put them there. 220 00:11:35,867 --> 00:11:40,467 I felt so betrayed, so violated. 221 00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:44,000 It was like you're being in a robbery. 222 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:46,066 Someone breaks into your house. 223 00:11:46,066 --> 00:11:48,266 I was furious. 224 00:11:49,867 --> 00:11:52,767 And I called him and asked, "How did -- 225 00:11:52,867 --> 00:11:54,767 how did you get in my house?" 226 00:11:54,867 --> 00:11:57,000 And he said, "There was a window open," 227 00:11:57,100 --> 00:11:58,700 and he climbed through it. 228 00:12:00,667 --> 00:12:00,880 He was acting like nothing was wrong. 229 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,867 He was acting like nothing was wrong. 230 00:12:03,867 --> 00:12:05,667 He wanted to surprise me. 231 00:12:05,667 --> 00:12:07,567 I said, "You can surprise me any other way, 232 00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:09,200 but you don't break into somebody's house." 233 00:12:09,266 --> 00:12:11,166 No, this isn't right! 234 00:12:11,266 --> 00:12:12,567 MARGIE: It scared me. 235 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:16,200 My instincts were telling me something. 236 00:12:16,266 --> 00:12:17,767 You should be afraid. 237 00:12:19,166 --> 00:12:21,667 I said, "I can't deal with it, I need a break. 238 00:12:21,767 --> 00:12:23,900 I need a break from you. You're too much." 239 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,166 Leave me alone! 240 00:12:26,266 --> 00:12:28,667 "I don't want it, I don't need it, leave me alone." 241 00:12:28,667 --> 00:12:30,066 And I slammed the phone down. 242 00:12:41,567 --> 00:12:43,567 A few days later, Sean Paul called 243 00:12:43,667 --> 00:12:45,667 and said he wanted to take me to lunch. 244 00:12:45,767 --> 00:12:49,100 He was being very, very sincere and apologetic, 245 00:12:49,166 --> 00:12:51,900 and he was saying all the right things, 246 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,500 but I told him I couldn't go, because I was working. 247 00:12:56,567 --> 00:13:00,567 And so he asked me if he could take the girls for ice cream, 248 00:13:00,567 --> 00:13:00,880 and I said, "Absolutely no. 249 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,066 and I said, "Absolutely no. 250 00:13:03,066 --> 00:13:06,767 No one takes my girls," and that was it. 251 00:13:08,567 --> 00:13:11,467 I eventually came home from work, 252 00:13:11,567 --> 00:13:16,266 and I was looking around, and I didn't see my girls anywhere, 253 00:13:16,367 --> 00:13:17,800 and I looked in their rooms. 254 00:13:17,867 --> 00:13:19,266 They weren't there. 255 00:13:19,367 --> 00:13:21,400 AS MARGIE: Hello? Anyone home? 256 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:25,400 Hello? 257 00:13:25,467 --> 00:13:28,000 MARGIE: It was a very eerie feeling. 258 00:13:28,066 --> 00:13:29,967 It was scary. 259 00:13:29,967 --> 00:13:30,880 It was quiet, and I didn't know where they were. 260 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,166 It was quiet, and I didn't know where they were. 261 00:13:35,900 --> 00:13:38,000 I thought about calling the police, 262 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:43,767 but I finally found a note at the kitchen table, and it said 263 00:13:43,867 --> 00:13:46,467 "We've gone for ice cream with Sean." 264 00:13:48,867 --> 00:13:53,100 And I was furious that he had taken them when I had 265 00:13:53,166 --> 00:13:54,467 told him no. 266 00:13:54,567 --> 00:13:58,667 It was his way of almost threatening me, 267 00:13:58,767 --> 00:14:00,880 um, that if I don't do 268 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:01,567 um, that if I don't do 269 00:14:01,667 --> 00:14:04,367 what he says, this is what's gonna happen. 270 00:14:10,567 --> 00:14:13,867 A few hours later, I see Sean Paul's car pull up in 271 00:14:13,867 --> 00:14:17,767 the driveway, and the girls jump out, and they were fine, 272 00:14:17,867 --> 00:14:21,900 they were happy, and they go into the house. 273 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,166 Again, he tries to explain that he was just trying to do 274 00:14:24,166 --> 00:14:26,600 something nice for me and the girls. 275 00:14:26,667 --> 00:14:29,400 He acted like it was okay, 276 00:14:29,467 --> 00:14:30,880 and it wasn't. 277 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:31,667 and it wasn't. 278 00:14:31,667 --> 00:14:33,166 I thought it would be nice, 279 00:14:33,266 --> 00:14:36,266 me and the girls spending a little quality time together. 280 00:14:36,367 --> 00:14:38,900 MARGIE: You can never take my girls without my permission. 281 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,200 That -- you just don't do that, and I'm done. 282 00:14:42,266 --> 00:14:44,266 This is not a break, it's over. 283 00:14:44,367 --> 00:14:47,100 AS MARGIE: Get your car out of my driveway. 284 00:14:47,166 --> 00:14:48,900 MARGIE: I wasn't planning on seeing him again. 285 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,367 I thought, he's out of their lives, he's out of my life. 286 00:15:04,266 --> 00:15:07,567 I hadn't heard from Sean Paul for a while, 287 00:15:07,567 --> 00:15:10,867 and then I came home one day from work, 288 00:15:10,867 --> 00:15:13,000 and there was a note, 289 00:15:13,066 --> 00:15:15,367 and I knew it was from Sean Paul, because 290 00:15:15,467 --> 00:15:18,467 I knew his handwriting -- it said it was an emergency. 291 00:15:18,567 --> 00:15:20,667 I need to call him right away. 292 00:15:20,767 --> 00:15:24,667 He told me that his daughter had died. 293 00:15:24,667 --> 00:15:28,200 His daughter had been in a car accident caused by 294 00:15:28,266 --> 00:15:30,880 a drunk driver, but I didn't hesitate to go over to him. 295 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,467 a drunk driver, but I didn't hesitate to go over to him. 296 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,200 I wanted to be there for him. 297 00:15:39,467 --> 00:15:43,066 He opened the door, and he was distraught. 298 00:15:43,066 --> 00:15:46,166 He looked almost possessed. 299 00:15:46,166 --> 00:15:49,367 Sean Paul, I'm so sorry. 300 00:15:49,467 --> 00:15:50,567 Glad you're here. 301 00:15:50,567 --> 00:15:54,667 MARGIE: His face was different, 302 00:15:54,667 --> 00:15:59,867 and his eyes were cold, and he was just scary. 303 00:16:01,266 --> 00:16:04,166 And he almost demanded that I come in. 304 00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:06,767 Did you not hear me say to get in here?! 305 00:16:06,867 --> 00:16:09,400 MARGIE: For some reason, 306 00:16:09,467 --> 00:16:14,500 the look in his eyes, I knew I shouldn't go in that apartment. 307 00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:15,500 I just knew it. 308 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,700 MARGIE: Looking back now, 309 00:16:21,767 --> 00:16:23,266 and if I would have gone in that apartment, 310 00:16:23,266 --> 00:16:25,567 I don't think I would have come out. 311 00:16:25,667 --> 00:16:28,567 I really think that he could have -- he could have killed me. 312 00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:34,767 I took off and ran to my car and locked the door. 313 00:16:34,867 --> 00:16:37,867 And the first thing I thought was, like, I had escaped. 314 00:16:37,967 --> 00:16:41,100 I didn't know what I had escaped, but that's just 315 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:42,467 how I felt at the moment. 316 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:46,000 I was thinking, what is going on? 317 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:47,100 Who is this man? 318 00:16:47,166 --> 00:16:48,227 What -- Why am I so afraid? 319 00:16:48,227 --> 00:16:49,500 What -- Why am I so afraid? 320 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,867 I was just so confused, and I thought 321 00:16:53,967 --> 00:16:55,867 that I was making something out of nothing. 322 00:17:04,166 --> 00:17:05,400 He would call me. 323 00:17:06,767 --> 00:17:08,467 He would 324 00:17:08,567 --> 00:17:13,100 explain to me that he was acting irrationally 325 00:17:13,166 --> 00:17:16,567 because his daughter had died, and he didn't mean to scare me. 326 00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:18,066 And I thought, that makes sense. 327 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:24,600 He, little by little, kind of started to wear me down, 328 00:17:24,667 --> 00:17:29,767 and he asked if he could have a fresh start. 329 00:17:29,867 --> 00:17:32,467 I did do a lot of soul searching. 330 00:17:32,567 --> 00:17:34,400 Do I really want this relationship? 331 00:17:34,467 --> 00:17:35,967 Do I really want this man? 332 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:40,200 He just became a prince charming, basically. 333 00:17:40,266 --> 00:17:44,700 He went to such effort, um, to win me back. 334 00:17:44,767 --> 00:17:46,467 We took things really slow. 335 00:17:46,567 --> 00:17:48,227 I didn't see anything bad -- there was no fear. 336 00:17:48,227 --> 00:17:49,400 I didn't see anything bad -- there was no fear. 337 00:17:49,467 --> 00:17:51,400 Um, everything was going great. 338 00:17:51,467 --> 00:17:54,100 He said all the right things, he did all the right things. 339 00:17:54,166 --> 00:17:58,800 Um, and I was -- I was, you know, happy. 340 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:06,266 This is me and 341 00:18:06,367 --> 00:18:09,467 Sean Paul Lanier on our wedding day. 342 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,567 The man I thought was Sean Paul Lanier. 343 00:18:15,767 --> 00:18:18,227 I truly thought that he really meant what he said to me, 344 00:18:18,227 --> 00:18:19,467 I truly thought that he really meant what he said to me, 345 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,100 that everything was gonna be fine. 346 00:18:23,166 --> 00:18:24,767 He had gotten to know a lot of 347 00:18:24,867 --> 00:18:29,567 my family members, and, um, everybody really adored him. 348 00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:32,867 They all thought he was wonderful, and he had 349 00:18:32,867 --> 00:18:34,166 everyone fooled. 350 00:18:35,667 --> 00:18:38,266 To me, he looks in this picture like he's smirking 351 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:41,700 At the time, I probably wouldn't have noticed it, 352 00:18:41,767 --> 00:18:45,200 but now I do -- he looks like "I got away with it." 353 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,227 I had one week of being married to 354 00:18:48,227 --> 00:18:50,367 I had one week of being married to 355 00:18:50,367 --> 00:18:55,100 this man before it started going really, really bad. 356 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:04,066 A week after I was married, 357 00:19:04,066 --> 00:19:06,667 my girlfriend called me and told me to turn on 358 00:19:06,767 --> 00:19:09,000 the television set, because there's a new show 359 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:12,066 called "America's Most Wanted," and she said, 360 00:19:12,066 --> 00:19:14,467 "There's a man on there, and he looks like your husband." 361 00:19:15,567 --> 00:19:18,227 So I turned on the TV, and it was showing 362 00:19:18,227 --> 00:19:19,100 So I turned on the TV, and it was showing 363 00:19:19,166 --> 00:19:22,367 a man from Sacramento, California, 364 00:19:22,367 --> 00:19:23,900 who was wanted for murder. 365 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,700 MAN: We could potentially solve two murders if 366 00:19:26,767 --> 00:19:29,367 you can help us capture our next fugitive. 367 00:19:30,767 --> 00:19:34,467 A man by the name of Paul Mack, and he was on the run. 368 00:19:34,567 --> 00:19:37,500 MAN: A murder warrant for Paul Steven Mack has been issued by 369 00:19:37,567 --> 00:19:40,100 the sheriff's department in Sacramento County. 370 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:45,700 And I looked at the man, and, I mean, 371 00:19:45,767 --> 00:19:48,100 he had a few similarities, 372 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:48,227 but he was thin, and he had straight brown hair. 373 00:19:48,227 --> 00:19:52,700 but he was thin, and he had straight brown hair. 374 00:19:52,767 --> 00:19:56,500 My husband had muscles, and he had curly gray hair. 375 00:19:57,867 --> 00:19:59,867 I didn't think he could be the same man. 376 00:19:59,967 --> 00:20:03,266 He's not a murderer. There's no way. 377 00:20:03,266 --> 00:20:06,200 But I couldn't get rid of this feeling that something was 378 00:20:06,266 --> 00:20:09,200 wrong, and I knew that I had to figure it out. 379 00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:12,367 I had to find out who my husband really was. 380 00:20:17,967 --> 00:20:18,227 He kept documents in the dresser -- 381 00:20:18,227 --> 00:20:21,000 He kept documents in the dresser -- 382 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:24,467 death certificates for his father, 383 00:20:24,467 --> 00:20:28,400 his mother, his sister, his brother, and his daughter. 384 00:20:29,567 --> 00:20:32,000 And so I decided I would go through them 385 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,667 and see if there was any answers there. 386 00:20:35,767 --> 00:20:37,700 When I went through the documents, 387 00:20:37,767 --> 00:20:40,367 I started noticing mistakes. 388 00:20:40,467 --> 00:20:43,100 His daughter's death certificate had 389 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:46,200 the wrong date that she died. 390 00:20:46,266 --> 00:20:48,227 And I thought, wait a minute, there's no state seal. 391 00:20:48,227 --> 00:20:49,867 And I thought, wait a minute, there's no state seal. 392 00:20:49,867 --> 00:20:52,567 And I thought that usually makes a document legal. 393 00:20:52,567 --> 00:20:56,867 So my fear started erupting again, 394 00:20:56,967 --> 00:21:00,100 um, thinking what is going on here? 395 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:07,100 So I decided I'm going to hire a private investigator. 396 00:21:12,166 --> 00:21:14,066 The private investigator told me he needed 397 00:21:14,066 --> 00:21:16,200 a Social Security number to get started. 398 00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:18,227 I waited till he fell asleep. 399 00:21:18,227 --> 00:21:19,266 I waited till he fell asleep. 400 00:21:20,767 --> 00:21:24,767 At night, I would look over at him, not knowing really 401 00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:27,266 who he was, and I felt like sometimes, 402 00:21:27,367 --> 00:21:30,867 um, I was sleeping with the enemy. 403 00:21:33,467 --> 00:21:35,300 I had to really find out if 404 00:21:35,367 --> 00:21:37,900 Paul Mack was really Sean Paul Lanier, 405 00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:43,400 and I had to sneak out and get his wallet 406 00:21:43,467 --> 00:21:46,266 without him seeing me, which was the scariest thing 407 00:21:46,266 --> 00:21:47,767 I've ever done. 408 00:21:47,767 --> 00:21:48,227 I didn't want to get caught. 409 00:21:48,227 --> 00:21:49,567 I didn't want to get caught. 410 00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:51,600 [change pinging on ground] 411 00:21:52,867 --> 00:21:54,800 If he would have woken up while I 412 00:21:54,867 --> 00:21:57,867 was in the middle of getting his wallet, 413 00:21:57,967 --> 00:21:59,800 I have no idea what he would have done. 414 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:04,567 My heart was racing -- scared so bad. 415 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,900 And I took the wallet, and I went into the bathroom. 416 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,600 I started going through the wallet, 417 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:18,227 and I was surprised to find two Social Security cards. 418 00:22:18,227 --> 00:22:18,600 and I was surprised to find two Social Security cards. 419 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000 So I wrote down the numbers of both for 420 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:29,100 the private investigator, and I put them back in the wallet. 421 00:22:30,467 --> 00:22:32,600 I took a deep breath, and... 422 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:35,100 went out... 423 00:22:42,166 --> 00:22:43,600 [quietly] Sorry. 424 00:22:43,667 --> 00:22:45,200 [voice breaking] Out of the bathroom, 425 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:48,227 and put it back on the dresser, 426 00:22:48,227 --> 00:22:49,967 and put it back on the dresser, 427 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:54,166 and snuck back in bed, and I was shaking. 428 00:22:54,266 --> 00:22:58,500 I was so afraid that I was gonna get caught. 429 00:23:07,967 --> 00:23:09,567 [normally] The private investigator, 430 00:23:09,567 --> 00:23:11,000 he told me that the numbers 431 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:13,600 belonged to two people that were deceased. 432 00:23:14,667 --> 00:23:17,467 I was shocked. I... 433 00:23:17,467 --> 00:23:18,227 I didn't know what to think. 434 00:23:18,227 --> 00:23:18,700 I didn't know what to think. 435 00:23:18,767 --> 00:23:21,100 Why does he have numbers 436 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:22,667 of dead people? 437 00:23:24,166 --> 00:23:27,967 But I was afraid that, if I went to the police, 438 00:23:27,967 --> 00:23:30,900 the police would think I was just some angry wife. 439 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,467 And so I still wanted to try and find and get 440 00:23:34,567 --> 00:23:36,200 more information. 441 00:23:36,266 --> 00:23:39,400 And so I was going to confront Sean. 442 00:23:39,467 --> 00:23:40,600 Hey. 443 00:23:41,867 --> 00:23:44,667 I asked him, um, I hope you don't mind. 444 00:23:44,767 --> 00:23:46,667 But someone from your work called, 445 00:23:46,667 --> 00:23:48,227 and I looked in your wallet. 446 00:23:48,227 --> 00:23:48,266 and I looked in your wallet. 447 00:23:48,367 --> 00:23:50,467 They needed your Social Security number, for some reason, 448 00:23:50,467 --> 00:23:54,500 they didn't have it, and you have two Social Security cards. 449 00:23:54,567 --> 00:23:56,567 One of these is my son's card. 450 00:23:56,667 --> 00:24:01,300 That's when he told me that he sometimes carries 451 00:24:01,367 --> 00:24:05,300 his son's, because they have the same name, he said, 452 00:24:05,367 --> 00:24:08,367 and he always forgot to give it back to him. 453 00:24:08,367 --> 00:24:09,567 Why does that matter to you? 454 00:24:09,567 --> 00:24:13,166 He finally grabbed them, and he put 'em in his briefcase, 455 00:24:13,166 --> 00:24:14,300 and, um, 456 00:24:14,367 --> 00:24:17,200 shut the briefcase, locked the briefcase. 457 00:24:17,266 --> 00:24:18,227 It was getting to the point now 458 00:24:18,227 --> 00:24:20,000 It was getting to the point now 459 00:24:20,066 --> 00:24:23,400 I did not believe anything he was saying. 460 00:24:23,467 --> 00:24:27,000 I just said, I need to get to the bottom of things. 461 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,367 I don't know who you are. 462 00:24:29,367 --> 00:24:32,266 -You're a stranger to me. -Okay, Margie. 463 00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:35,400 I am completely in the dark here! 464 00:24:35,467 --> 00:24:39,166 I was so mad that the words just came out. 465 00:24:39,166 --> 00:24:41,400 "You could be a murderer for all I know. 466 00:24:41,467 --> 00:24:44,000 I have no idea who you are." 467 00:24:44,066 --> 00:24:48,100 He had this most evil look in his eyes. 468 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,300 And it was the scariest thing I've ever seen. 469 00:24:52,367 --> 00:24:54,166 I've never seen anything like it before. 470 00:24:55,266 --> 00:24:56,967 He said, "I'm gonna tell you the truth." 471 00:25:00,967 --> 00:25:02,467 MARGIE: I think my heart dropped. 472 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:07,867 I thought, "Oh, finally, I'm gonna get somewhere." 473 00:25:07,934 --> 00:25:11,166 And he looked at me very serious, very serious, 474 00:25:11,166 --> 00:25:12,266 and he said, 475 00:25:13,266 --> 00:25:16,567 "I'm actually in the witness protection program." 476 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,100 He said his parents were in the mafia in New Zealand, 477 00:25:23,166 --> 00:25:25,367 and he had testified against them, 478 00:25:25,367 --> 00:25:28,367 and so they had to put him in the witness protection program. 479 00:25:30,166 --> 00:25:33,300 He was trying to make that the reason for all 480 00:25:33,367 --> 00:25:35,500 the little lies and all the little things and all 481 00:25:35,567 --> 00:25:37,367 the inconsistencies. 482 00:25:37,367 --> 00:25:39,066 You understand? 483 00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:46,266 MARGIE: I pretended to believe him so that 484 00:25:46,367 --> 00:25:49,867 he would not get upset with me. 485 00:25:49,934 --> 00:25:50,834 Good. 486 00:25:51,867 --> 00:25:53,467 But the honeymoon is over. 487 00:25:53,467 --> 00:25:55,367 I mean, we were only married a week or so. 488 00:25:56,667 --> 00:25:58,997 I knew right then it was time to do more. 489 00:25:58,997 --> 00:25:59,400 I knew right then it was time to do more. 490 00:25:59,467 --> 00:26:01,734 [sighs] 491 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,367 I talked to a gentleman there, and he said that he couldn't 492 00:26:14,467 --> 00:26:17,567 give that information out because it was the witness 493 00:26:17,667 --> 00:26:19,000 protection program. 494 00:26:20,867 --> 00:26:26,300 But he could tell, I think, in my voice how desperate I was. 495 00:26:26,367 --> 00:26:28,997 And he said to me, um, I will tell you this. 496 00:26:28,997 --> 00:26:29,367 And he said to me, um, I will tell you this. 497 00:26:29,367 --> 00:26:31,834 I've never heard that name before. 498 00:26:31,834 --> 00:26:34,200 I've never heard of a Sean Paul Lanier. 499 00:26:37,266 --> 00:26:39,834 I knew that that had been another lie, 500 00:26:39,834 --> 00:26:41,567 and it made me realize 501 00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:46,867 I need to face what's ahead of me, and I have to be strong 502 00:26:48,467 --> 00:26:50,266 and do what's right. 503 00:26:54,567 --> 00:26:57,200 Not just for me, but for my daughters, too. 504 00:27:07,467 --> 00:27:09,266 I finally got to the point where 505 00:27:09,367 --> 00:27:11,734 I was tired of beating around the bush. 506 00:27:11,734 --> 00:27:14,467 I wanted to try and get his fingerprints, because I 507 00:27:14,467 --> 00:27:18,467 knew that I could maybe find out more with his fingerprints. 508 00:27:20,567 --> 00:27:23,734 So one morning, we had breakfast, 509 00:27:23,734 --> 00:27:26,033 and he had a glass of orange juice. 510 00:27:31,867 --> 00:27:35,867 Left it on the table and went to work. 511 00:27:38,867 --> 00:27:41,300 I was able to put on some rubber gloves, 512 00:27:41,367 --> 00:27:45,066 and I took the glass and put it in the plastic bag, 513 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,867 and I hid it in the back of the closet, 514 00:27:51,066 --> 00:27:52,934 thinking 515 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,967 I'm gonna take this to the police or something eventually, 516 00:27:57,033 --> 00:27:58,997 but I need to keep this hidden. 517 00:27:58,997 --> 00:27:59,367 but I need to keep this hidden. 518 00:28:01,767 --> 00:28:04,000 I knew 519 00:28:04,066 --> 00:28:06,667 I had to keep going, and I knew I had 520 00:28:06,767 --> 00:28:10,100 to get everything together before I went to the police. 521 00:28:12,166 --> 00:28:18,200 Here I am with fingerprints and rubber gloves, and I never 522 00:28:18,266 --> 00:28:21,667 imagined I would ever be in a place like that, ever. 523 00:28:22,734 --> 00:28:24,667 Who knew it would come to this? 524 00:28:37,567 --> 00:28:42,200 Sean Paul was very good and very clear at sending 525 00:28:42,266 --> 00:28:44,967 messages without words, 526 00:28:45,033 --> 00:28:49,934 and I believe that he was suspecting things I was doing. 527 00:28:52,033 --> 00:28:54,934 One day, I had come home from work, 528 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,266 AS MARGIE: Hello? 529 00:28:56,367 --> 00:28:58,997 and the girls weren't there. 530 00:28:58,997 --> 00:28:59,367 and the girls weren't there. 531 00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:07,867 I called Sean at work, and he said, "They're fine. 532 00:29:07,934 --> 00:29:09,166 You don't need to worry about it." 533 00:29:10,667 --> 00:29:12,467 I said, "What does that mean? 534 00:29:12,467 --> 00:29:14,667 Where are they? What's going on?" 535 00:29:14,734 --> 00:29:19,100 And he goes, "You just sit home and be a good girl and wait." 536 00:29:21,467 --> 00:29:23,266 And it felt like a threat to me. 537 00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:28,997 Eventually, he comes home. 538 00:29:28,997 --> 00:29:30,834 Eventually, he comes home. 539 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,567 I wanted to know where my children were. 540 00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:39,266 He looked at me with a stare, 541 00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,667 and he said, "You just be a good girl 542 00:29:43,734 --> 00:29:45,934 and wait, and they will come home." 543 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,367 Like, if you don't sit there 544 00:29:49,467 --> 00:29:52,600 and be good, then you're gonna regret it. 545 00:29:54,767 --> 00:29:57,600 I was so mad at that time that I said, 546 00:29:57,667 --> 00:29:58,997 "If you hurt my children, I will kill you." 547 00:29:58,997 --> 00:29:59,967 "If you hurt my children, I will kill you." 548 00:30:02,166 --> 00:30:06,200 He just had this look on his face like he won. 549 00:30:06,266 --> 00:30:10,467 It was, like, a nightmare to me, and I felt helpless. 550 00:30:10,467 --> 00:30:12,567 I didn't know what to do. 551 00:30:14,367 --> 00:30:17,867 So I wait and wait and wait, and I was trying to be quiet 552 00:30:17,967 --> 00:30:21,667 and trying to be good like he said, because I didn't know what 553 00:30:21,734 --> 00:30:24,567 was going on, and I was afraid if I did anything wrong, 554 00:30:24,667 --> 00:30:26,400 that they wouldn't come home. 555 00:30:29,033 --> 00:30:31,567 Finally, the girls come home. 556 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:39,166 My girls told me that Sean had told his friends to 557 00:30:39,166 --> 00:30:41,834 pick them up from school and take them to amusement park. 558 00:30:43,867 --> 00:30:45,967 Sean never told me why he did it. 559 00:30:48,033 --> 00:30:51,166 But I just got the impression that he 560 00:30:51,166 --> 00:30:53,200 was doing it to keep me in line. 561 00:30:55,967 --> 00:30:58,997 He's threatening me. I need to be quiet. 562 00:30:58,997 --> 00:30:59,667 He's threatening me. I need to be quiet. 563 00:30:59,734 --> 00:31:01,367 I need to quit asking questions. 564 00:31:03,667 --> 00:31:06,100 I knew that if I didn't do what he said, 565 00:31:06,166 --> 00:31:07,200 it could be worse. 566 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:12,767 That was the last straw. 567 00:31:12,867 --> 00:31:15,166 It was time to do something more drastic. 568 00:31:15,266 --> 00:31:18,934 It was time to try and find out who this man really was. 569 00:31:30,567 --> 00:31:33,934 I had finally come to realize that it was 570 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,400 time to go to the police no matter what. 571 00:31:37,467 --> 00:31:39,166 I didn't care if they thought I was just 572 00:31:39,166 --> 00:31:43,033 this crazy housewife making up stories. 573 00:31:45,834 --> 00:31:48,367 I said, "I need to talk to someone, because 574 00:31:48,367 --> 00:31:51,934 I don't think my husband's who he says he is." 575 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,667 And I think that kind of caught his attention. 576 00:31:57,467 --> 00:31:58,997 I showed him, you know, the glass with the fingerprints. 577 00:31:58,997 --> 00:32:00,367 I showed him, you know, the glass with the fingerprints. 578 00:32:00,367 --> 00:32:03,200 I showed him the documents, the death certificates, 579 00:32:03,266 --> 00:32:07,200 two social security cards that belong to dead people. 580 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,300 He took the glass 581 00:32:10,367 --> 00:32:12,000 and left with it. 582 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,300 When the detective came back in the room, 583 00:32:17,367 --> 00:32:22,767 I could see by his face that something was up, 584 00:32:25,166 --> 00:32:28,997 and he told me that the fingerprints matched 585 00:32:28,997 --> 00:32:31,767 and he told me that the fingerprints matched 586 00:32:31,867 --> 00:32:34,266 a man by the name of Paul Steven Mack, 587 00:32:35,767 --> 00:32:39,500 and he said, "This man, um, 588 00:32:39,567 --> 00:32:40,867 is wanted for murder." 589 00:32:47,266 --> 00:32:51,734 They had told me that he had been in Ohio. 590 00:32:53,567 --> 00:32:57,166 He was the manager of a country club there. 591 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:58,997 And his secretary was a young, 592 00:32:58,997 --> 00:33:01,100 And his secretary was a young, 593 00:33:01,166 --> 00:33:04,467 beautiful 19-year-old girl named Annette Huddle, 594 00:33:07,567 --> 00:33:09,967 and they found her floating in 595 00:33:10,033 --> 00:33:11,867 a river, and she had been strangled. 596 00:33:14,166 --> 00:33:17,266 And immediately, they went to him and questioned him, 597 00:33:17,367 --> 00:33:18,834 but they didn't have enough evidence. 598 00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:21,000 So they had to let him go. 599 00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:25,567 And from there, he met this young, beautiful girl, 600 00:33:25,667 --> 00:33:28,997 21-year-old Karen Winslett in Sacramento. 601 00:33:28,997 --> 00:33:29,166 21-year-old Karen Winslett in Sacramento. 602 00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:34,367 He poisoned her and put her in the trunk 603 00:33:34,367 --> 00:33:36,400 of her car and left her in a parking lot. 604 00:33:38,467 --> 00:33:40,867 That's when he fled 605 00:33:40,934 --> 00:33:42,834 and came to Utah. 606 00:33:42,834 --> 00:33:46,967 He was on the run for months and months, 607 00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:48,467 and that's when he met me. 608 00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:52,767 Both girls had rejected him. 609 00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:56,266 And the detective was thinking 610 00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:58,266 maybe that's why they were murdered. 611 00:33:58,367 --> 00:33:58,997 And I thought back to when I was trying to reject him, 612 00:33:58,997 --> 00:34:03,467 And I thought back to when I was trying to reject him, 613 00:34:03,567 --> 00:34:05,467 and I think if I would have gone in that apartment 614 00:34:05,467 --> 00:34:08,100 that night, I might not have come out. 615 00:34:16,567 --> 00:34:19,367 This is a picture of Paul Mack. 616 00:34:19,367 --> 00:34:21,767 This is a picture before I knew him. 617 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:26,834 He looks completely different 618 00:34:26,834 --> 00:34:28,997 than when he was with me. 619 00:34:28,997 --> 00:34:30,033 than when he was with me. 620 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:35,066 He's thinner, he has brown hair, 621 00:34:35,066 --> 00:34:38,100 he didn't have a mustache with me, and he had curly gray hair. 622 00:34:39,367 --> 00:34:41,100 I don't know 623 00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:42,967 that I would have recognized him. 624 00:34:44,967 --> 00:34:48,734 He was so good at disguising the way he looked. 625 00:34:49,867 --> 00:34:51,967 He was very, 626 00:34:52,033 --> 00:34:56,033 very good at conning people and getting what he wanted. 627 00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,997 But he always had a smirk on his face. 628 00:34:58,997 --> 00:34:59,734 But he always had a smirk on his face. 629 00:34:59,734 --> 00:35:03,567 He always looked like he had gotten away with something, 630 00:35:05,567 --> 00:35:08,734 and I can see that same smirk on his face in this picture, 631 00:35:09,767 --> 00:35:12,300 thinking that he was gonna get away with murder 632 00:35:12,367 --> 00:35:15,266 and never be caught. 633 00:35:33,266 --> 00:35:36,166 The police told me that they had a plan of action. 634 00:35:36,266 --> 00:35:38,266 They still had to get an arrest warrant. 635 00:35:38,367 --> 00:35:42,500 They had to get everything together, and they 636 00:35:42,567 --> 00:35:45,667 wanted me to take my daughters and leave. 637 00:35:46,767 --> 00:35:48,567 But 638 00:35:48,567 --> 00:35:53,367 I told them that if he came home, and I wasn't there, 639 00:35:53,467 --> 00:35:58,567 he's already suspicious enough that he would probably flee, 640 00:35:58,567 --> 00:35:58,997 and you'd never get him. 641 00:35:58,997 --> 00:36:00,066 and you'd never get him. 642 00:36:00,066 --> 00:36:01,967 And I said, "I want to go home. 643 00:36:02,033 --> 00:36:04,600 "I will get my daughters out of the house, but I need to 644 00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:08,667 be there so that he will be caught." 645 00:36:08,734 --> 00:36:10,767 I didn't want anyone else to be hurt, 646 00:36:10,867 --> 00:36:14,367 and I was willing to do what it took. 647 00:36:14,467 --> 00:36:16,600 They did not want me to be there. 648 00:36:16,667 --> 00:36:18,934 But I knew I had to be, 649 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,066 and that's exactly what I did. 650 00:36:21,066 --> 00:36:24,033 I went home, I took my daughters to their father's 651 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:28,667 house, and waited for him to come home from work. 652 00:36:30,967 --> 00:36:33,066 I was more terrified than I'd ever been, 653 00:36:34,667 --> 00:36:38,367 because now I knew that this man was a murderer. 654 00:36:44,166 --> 00:36:48,500 I couldn't do anything. I just sat there, and I waited. 655 00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:53,100 I tried to act normal, let's do the normal thing. 656 00:36:53,166 --> 00:36:54,166 Let's have dinner. 657 00:36:54,266 --> 00:36:56,600 The police did tell me that they were going to 658 00:36:56,667 --> 00:37:02,567 raid the house the next day early on and arrest him. 659 00:37:02,567 --> 00:37:05,200 I had to spend the evening with this man that I 660 00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:10,266 didn't know, this murderer, and I had to pretend 661 00:37:10,266 --> 00:37:11,400 everything was okay. 662 00:37:13,266 --> 00:37:15,567 I was trying not to have a panic attack. 663 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,400 I was trying to be calm. 664 00:37:18,834 --> 00:37:22,166 I was thinking of all these scenarios of 665 00:37:22,266 --> 00:37:26,266 how am I going to escape if I have to, and 666 00:37:26,367 --> 00:37:28,867 all night long, my mind was racing. 667 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:36,600 It was very difficult to try and calm myself, waiting for... 668 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:39,867 that night to be over with, 669 00:37:42,367 --> 00:37:42,617 and it seemed to go on forever. 670 00:37:42,617 --> 00:37:44,300 and it seemed to go on forever. 671 00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:48,967 And I waited and waited and waited and nothing, 672 00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:51,667 and I thought, what's going on? Where are they? 673 00:37:54,467 --> 00:37:58,066 Really early in the morning, he received a phone call, 674 00:38:00,066 --> 00:38:01,400 and I said, "What's going on?" 675 00:38:01,467 --> 00:38:04,734 He said, "They need me at work. I need to leave." 676 00:38:04,734 --> 00:38:06,567 I have no idea who called him, 677 00:38:07,967 --> 00:38:10,667 but he got out of bed, and the next 678 00:38:10,734 --> 00:38:12,617 thing I knew, someone was banging on the front door. 679 00:38:12,617 --> 00:38:13,867 thing I knew, someone was banging on the front door. 680 00:38:16,567 --> 00:38:19,000 He jumps out of bed, and he throws on his clothes, 681 00:38:19,066 --> 00:38:21,467 and he slams open the window. 682 00:38:21,567 --> 00:38:24,934 He pushes the screen out, and he jumps out of the window, 683 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,367 and he's gone. 684 00:38:27,834 --> 00:38:29,266 He didn't even look at me. 685 00:38:30,567 --> 00:38:31,667 Later on, I found out they had 686 00:38:31,767 --> 00:38:34,400 a SWAT team down the street waiting for him. 687 00:38:53,767 --> 00:38:56,166 Once he was caught and jailed, 688 00:38:56,166 --> 00:38:59,567 I was hoping that that would be the end of it. 689 00:39:03,166 --> 00:39:05,100 But then every time I would change my number, 690 00:39:05,166 --> 00:39:09,166 he would somehow get the number, and he would call me, 691 00:39:09,266 --> 00:39:11,200 and he terrorized me like this 692 00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:12,617 from jail in California for months and months. 693 00:39:12,617 --> 00:39:16,767 from jail in California for months and months. 694 00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:22,166 I had gotten a new job with an insurance company, 695 00:39:22,266 --> 00:39:25,300 and he didn't know where I worked. 696 00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:26,567 He didn't know what I did. 697 00:39:26,567 --> 00:39:31,600 But one day, I got a phone call, and it was Paul. 698 00:39:33,033 --> 00:39:34,266 Hello? 699 00:39:34,367 --> 00:39:36,100 And I said, "How did you know I work here? 700 00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:37,467 How did you get this number?" 701 00:39:37,467 --> 00:39:39,266 And he said, "I have my ways." 702 00:39:41,867 --> 00:39:42,617 And he said, "It's really a pretty building. 703 00:39:42,617 --> 00:39:43,834 And he said, "It's really a pretty building. 704 00:39:43,834 --> 00:39:47,266 You've got a waterfall out front. That's kind of cool." 705 00:39:47,266 --> 00:39:50,266 And he said, "You look really pretty in that red dress." 706 00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:56,467 I hung up the phone, I went outside and looked around, and 707 00:39:56,567 --> 00:39:59,934 it was the eeriest feeling knowing 708 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,834 someone had to be watching me for him. 709 00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:04,667 How else would he know? 710 00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:09,133 Because he knew people on the outside. 711 00:40:12,867 --> 00:40:15,834 I realized that he had to be found guilty 712 00:40:15,834 --> 00:40:18,367 and be behind bars for the rest of his life. 713 00:40:18,467 --> 00:40:20,667 So I knew I had to testify against him. 714 00:40:37,066 --> 00:40:39,934 I was glad that he was gone for good. 715 00:40:41,867 --> 00:40:42,617 He can't escape. 716 00:40:42,617 --> 00:40:42,967 He can't escape. 717 00:40:43,033 --> 00:40:45,266 He can't lurk, he can't have anybody following me. 718 00:40:45,367 --> 00:40:46,600 He's gone. 719 00:40:47,367 --> 00:40:51,567 Paul Mack was the main suspect in Annette Huddle's murder. 720 00:40:51,667 --> 00:40:54,266 They just didn't have enough evidence. 721 00:40:54,266 --> 00:40:57,200 But before he died, he did 722 00:40:57,266 --> 00:41:01,300 confess to killing Annette Huddle in Ohio, 723 00:41:01,367 --> 00:41:02,567 and I was glad. 724 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,934 Sometimes I feel guilty. 725 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,367 Why am I alive, 726 00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:11,467 and these two women aren't? 727 00:41:12,967 --> 00:41:15,567 Why was I the one that survived 728 00:41:15,567 --> 00:41:17,934 when I was actually living with him? 729 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,567 I'm very lucky in the fact that I can see my children 730 00:41:28,667 --> 00:41:31,667 grow up, and I can see my grandchildren and be with 731 00:41:31,734 --> 00:41:34,400 my family, and I... 732 00:41:34,467 --> 00:41:37,166 I think of the families that lost their daughter. 733 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,467 I wish they could have had that, too. 734 00:41:42,734 --> 00:41:45,667 I think the biggest thing that I take away from 735 00:41:45,767 --> 00:41:47,767 this experience, 736 00:41:47,867 --> 00:41:53,133 and I just want everyone to know that my instincts 737 00:41:53,133 --> 00:41:55,567 played the biggest part in saving my life. 738 00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:58,667 And I totally believe in if there's a little voice telling 739 00:41:58,734 --> 00:42:00,467 you something, you better listen to it. 740 00:42:00,467 --> 00:42:03,667 Wherever you go, listen to your -- your heart, 741 00:42:03,734 --> 00:42:05,133 but also, listen to your brain.