1 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,467 [sniffles] 2 00:00:20,767 --> 00:00:21,734 [exhales] 3 00:00:21,767 --> 00:00:24,567 When I made this recording, it was a couple 4 00:00:24,567 --> 00:00:27,867 hours after I had discovered the hole in the yard. 5 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:30,000 I was thinking, what if she killed me right then and now 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,467 I was thinking, what if she killed me right then and now 7 00:00:34,467 --> 00:00:39,166 and dragged me into that hole? 8 00:00:39,266 --> 00:00:40,467 Because... 9 00:00:41,767 --> 00:00:43,166 no one makes a hole that big. 10 00:00:57,166 --> 00:01:00,000 This is a picture of Delila and I. 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,166 This is a picture of Delila and I. 12 00:01:02,266 --> 00:01:04,567 It was taken last year. 13 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,000 For a moment, it felt like... 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,800 like the murder didn't happen. 15 00:01:16,166 --> 00:01:19,667 We went through this trauma together. 16 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:24,100 I don't think it ever gets easier. 17 00:01:30,166 --> 00:01:33,000 My sister and I will never be free from Karina. 18 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:41,200 The lasting effects of her abuse on us, mental 19 00:01:41,266 --> 00:01:45,667 and emotional abuse, is always going to be within us. 20 00:01:45,767 --> 00:01:46,967 [sniffles] 21 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:58,900 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 22 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 23 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,367 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 24 00:02:01,467 --> 00:02:03,266 [static crackling] 25 00:02:05,667 --> 00:02:08,200 [knock at door] [creaking] 26 00:02:08,266 --> 00:02:13,600 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 27 00:02:13,667 --> 00:02:17,700 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 28 00:02:17,767 --> 00:02:20,867 [water dripping] 29 00:02:20,867 --> 00:02:23,700 [banging on door] [creaking] 30 00:02:23,767 --> 00:02:25,767 [sinister chord strikes] 31 00:02:35,767 --> 00:02:37,400 So in this picture, 32 00:02:37,467 --> 00:02:40,467 it's my mom, it's Karina, 33 00:02:40,567 --> 00:02:42,767 holding me as a baby. 34 00:02:44,767 --> 00:02:47,867 I refer to her as Karina, and sometimes my mom, 35 00:02:47,867 --> 00:02:50,667 because I have very mixed feelings about her. 36 00:02:52,467 --> 00:02:56,767 And she is Karina to me, because she hurt someone... 37 00:02:57,867 --> 00:03:00,000 that she shouldn't have, you know? 38 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,567 that she shouldn't have, you know? 39 00:03:01,567 --> 00:03:04,467 Not everyone is perfect by any means, but it 40 00:03:04,567 --> 00:03:08,100 never allows you to take the action that she did. 41 00:03:11,567 --> 00:03:15,467 I am the oldest, and then there are four boys and Delila. 42 00:03:18,266 --> 00:03:20,867 My mom was 16 when she had me, 43 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:23,400 and she married my biological father. 44 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:29,500 She would tell me things like, 45 00:03:29,567 --> 00:03:30,000 "If I didn't have you when I was younger, 46 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,100 "If I didn't have you when I was younger, 47 00:03:33,166 --> 00:03:35,867 "if I didn't get pregnant, I could be living 48 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:37,066 a different life." 49 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,000 And as a child, when you hear that, 50 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:44,800 it makes you feel like it was your fault. 51 00:03:47,767 --> 00:03:49,300 But between me and Delila, 52 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:51,400 I would say Delila got the worst of it. 53 00:03:57,066 --> 00:03:58,000 [sniffles] 54 00:04:05,266 --> 00:04:07,900 DELILA: I'm scared of my mom. 55 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,767 [crying quietly] 56 00:04:09,867 --> 00:04:12,166 I'm so scared. I'm so scared. 57 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,166 It's hard for me to talk about it. 58 00:04:17,166 --> 00:04:19,767 I just pretend like it never happened, 59 00:04:19,867 --> 00:04:22,100 and it does feel surreal. 60 00:04:22,166 --> 00:04:23,467 It feels like a dream. 61 00:04:25,266 --> 00:04:26,667 I think that my mother 62 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:30,000 is evil, and she had demons inside of her, 63 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,567 is evil, and she had demons inside of her, 64 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,100 and I think that 65 00:04:37,166 --> 00:04:40,000 she was struggling with something for so long. 66 00:04:41,767 --> 00:04:47,266 I've repressed so much that sometimes I forget 67 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,567 what I was put through. 68 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,166 MAILINE: I've decided to come forward to 69 00:05:17,266 --> 00:05:20,500 talk about what my mom did, because... 70 00:05:20,567 --> 00:05:24,300 it's really made a lasting impact on our family 71 00:05:24,367 --> 00:05:25,467 as a whole, 72 00:05:25,467 --> 00:05:28,667 but also, I wanted to shed some light on 73 00:05:28,667 --> 00:05:30,000 how domestic violence can take a really ugly turn. 74 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,600 how domestic violence can take a really ugly turn. 75 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,667 I wrote how I felt in my diary, because if I said it out loud, 76 00:05:38,667 --> 00:05:42,700 I would get verbally attacked and verbally abused by Karina. 77 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:46,667 "All those names, those orders. 78 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:48,367 "She doesn't deserve me. 79 00:05:48,467 --> 00:05:51,467 "Even if her life is tough, she doesn't deserve to have me. 80 00:05:51,467 --> 00:05:54,567 "She should never have had me in the first place. 81 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:56,367 She should have gotten an abortion." 82 00:05:58,500 --> 00:06:00,000 My handwriting looks like 83 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,667 My handwriting looks like 84 00:06:00,667 --> 00:06:02,300 three different people wrote this. 85 00:06:03,467 --> 00:06:07,700 I was so confused and distraught, 86 00:06:07,767 --> 00:06:10,767 and I didn't know who I was. 87 00:06:14,166 --> 00:06:19,100 You live with those words in your head your entire life. 88 00:06:19,166 --> 00:06:20,567 You are never the same. 89 00:06:29,767 --> 00:06:30,000 The first time I experienced physical abuse with 90 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,900 The first time I experienced physical abuse with 91 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,400 her is when she burned me with a spoon. 92 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:43,000 I went into the kitchen where my mom was cooking. 93 00:06:44,867 --> 00:06:48,000 So I remember getting on the stool and just kind of, 94 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:49,500 like, looking over, trying -- 95 00:06:49,567 --> 00:06:52,467 trying to look over the best I could to see what was going on. 96 00:06:53,967 --> 00:06:55,200 My mother is screaming at me 97 00:06:55,266 --> 00:06:56,900 like, "What are you doing right here?" 98 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,467 Didn't I tell you not to stand by the stove?! 99 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:04,667 Then I remember this hot spoon just coming down onto my arm. 100 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,500 My left arm -- yeah, it's kind of disappearing, though. 101 00:07:14,567 --> 00:07:16,667 Um... 102 00:07:16,667 --> 00:07:19,867 Yeah, so it was my left arm, 103 00:07:19,967 --> 00:07:23,066 and it was, like, right here, 104 00:07:23,066 --> 00:07:25,266 and I remember it was right here, because, 105 00:07:25,367 --> 00:07:27,166 for the longest time, 106 00:07:27,166 --> 00:07:29,867 this is going to sound a little messed up, 107 00:07:29,867 --> 00:07:30,000 but I was so proud to have a scar, because... 108 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,767 but I was so proud to have a scar, because... 109 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:38,967 I was able to show that, yeah, she did hurt me. 110 00:07:38,967 --> 00:07:41,467 Like, this is real, it happened. 111 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,700 My dad came home from work, 112 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,667 and he saw me crying, and he looked 113 00:07:52,767 --> 00:07:54,266 at my arm, and he asked me what happened. 114 00:07:54,367 --> 00:07:55,667 What's wrong, sweetie? 115 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:00,000 It just sounded fishy to him. 116 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 It just sounded fishy to him. 117 00:08:01,066 --> 00:08:03,467 He called the police on her shortly after, 118 00:08:05,066 --> 00:08:07,400 but no charges were ever officially pressed, 119 00:08:08,467 --> 00:08:12,200 because he ended up dropping the charges, 120 00:08:12,266 --> 00:08:15,400 and that happened a lot with her. 121 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,600 My dad wanted to make things easy, like, without having to 122 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:23,166 go to court and spending money on a lawyer and all that. 123 00:08:36,367 --> 00:08:38,667 One night, my dad came home from work. 124 00:08:38,767 --> 00:08:41,500 He noticed that the house smelled when he came in, 125 00:08:41,567 --> 00:08:44,367 and he was like, "What is that in your hand? 126 00:08:44,467 --> 00:08:45,500 What are you doing?" 127 00:08:47,567 --> 00:08:51,400 He saw her pouring gasoline around the house. 128 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,567 She's like, "This house is just... 129 00:08:55,567 --> 00:08:57,266 I'm gonna burn this house down." 130 00:08:57,266 --> 00:08:59,100 Honey. 131 00:08:59,166 --> 00:09:00,000 MAILINE: He was like, "What are you doing? 132 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,800 MAILINE: He was like, "What are you doing? 133 00:09:00,867 --> 00:09:02,000 The kids are home." 134 00:09:03,066 --> 00:09:05,000 And she just didn't answer him. 135 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,700 He was so afraid he couldn't stop her alone that he called 136 00:09:10,767 --> 00:09:13,667 a relative, and the relative came over 137 00:09:13,667 --> 00:09:16,767 and was able to sit her down. 138 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:20,500 She seemed to always kind of back 139 00:09:20,567 --> 00:09:23,500 down when someone on the outside was involved. 140 00:09:23,567 --> 00:09:26,467 There were things that she's done that terrified him. 141 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,667 I don't know what set her off that very night. 142 00:09:38,367 --> 00:09:41,000 My dad even said he doesn't quite 143 00:09:41,066 --> 00:09:44,000 know exactly either what set her off. 144 00:09:45,467 --> 00:09:48,166 I know they were having their own marital problems. 145 00:09:49,667 --> 00:09:52,467 You could leave, but her first 146 00:09:52,567 --> 00:09:54,567 choice was to burn down the house. 147 00:09:57,266 --> 00:09:58,266 Ever since then, 148 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:00,000 he was just terrified for his life, because 149 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,400 he was just terrified for his life, because 150 00:10:01,467 --> 00:10:04,600 he wasn't sure why she would resort to that. 151 00:10:04,667 --> 00:10:06,867 And I think she was capable of 152 00:10:06,967 --> 00:10:09,300 setting the house on fire and burning it all down. 153 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:14,367 [music climbing] 154 00:10:17,667 --> 00:10:21,667 Eventually, my parents decided that their marriage needed to 155 00:10:21,667 --> 00:10:25,000 come to an end, and they got a divorce. 156 00:10:25,066 --> 00:10:27,967 Years later, he said to me, 157 00:10:27,967 --> 00:10:30,000 he doesn't think he would be here right now if he continued 158 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,467 he doesn't think he would be here right now if he continued 159 00:10:30,467 --> 00:10:34,000 to stay married to her, and he's glad he got out when he did. 160 00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:41,867 So this is a picture of Kou and Karina. 161 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:50,166 My mom moved us all to Milwaukee, and she basically 162 00:10:50,166 --> 00:10:51,367 moved on, you know, 163 00:10:51,467 --> 00:10:54,967 dating and eventually meeting Kou, who became 164 00:10:54,967 --> 00:10:56,967 our stepfather. 165 00:10:56,967 --> 00:10:59,166 Karina and Kou had two more children. 166 00:10:59,266 --> 00:11:00,000 And so my baby sister and baby brother were born. 167 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,900 And so my baby sister and baby brother were born. 168 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,667 I would say that this is the height of the relationship. 169 00:11:05,767 --> 00:11:07,567 This is their honeymoon phase. 170 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:23,500 Karina didn't like that Kou was giving Delila attention. 171 00:11:23,567 --> 00:11:25,800 DELILA: Kou treated me as his own daughter. 172 00:11:25,867 --> 00:11:30,000 I grew up thinking he was my biological dad, 173 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,100 I grew up thinking he was my biological dad, 174 00:11:30,166 --> 00:11:34,800 and I treated him as my biological dad. 175 00:11:36,367 --> 00:11:39,500 My dad, he was fixing this one car for me. 176 00:11:40,567 --> 00:11:43,900 Karina came out angry, and she 177 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,300 had grabbed a brick from the garden. 178 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,700 My mother started smashing bricks 179 00:11:50,767 --> 00:11:53,000 into the windows of the car. 180 00:11:53,066 --> 00:11:56,600 [glass shattering] 181 00:11:56,667 --> 00:11:58,367 And my dad was out there yelling, 182 00:11:58,367 --> 00:12:00,000 and my mother just stopped. 183 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:00,567 and my mother just stopped. 184 00:12:00,567 --> 00:12:03,467 I think she did it to get his attention 185 00:12:03,467 --> 00:12:04,767 and punish him. 186 00:12:04,867 --> 00:12:07,867 -AS KOU: Are you nuts? -Oh, so now you pay attention. 187 00:12:07,867 --> 00:12:10,667 DELILA: He knew that my mom was crazy, 188 00:12:10,667 --> 00:12:13,266 but he loved Karina, 189 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:17,767 and he couldn't separate his kids from their mom. 190 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:22,867 I was scared that she was going to hurt him or herself, 191 00:12:24,266 --> 00:12:26,967 and I couldn't do anything about it. 192 00:12:34,900 --> 00:12:40,567 My mom would install cameras to the front yard of our house 193 00:12:40,667 --> 00:12:42,000 and then to our backyard, 194 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:47,300 and for some odd reason, she added a camera into the kitchen 195 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:49,700 and a camera into the living room. 196 00:12:49,767 --> 00:12:52,400 I found out that those cameras 197 00:12:52,467 --> 00:12:55,000 were actually used to stalk my dad. 198 00:12:56,700 --> 00:13:01,166 I remember after school, we were just sitting in her car, 199 00:13:01,266 --> 00:13:02,001 and she would pop up her app, 200 00:13:02,001 --> 00:13:03,467 and she would pop up her app, 201 00:13:03,467 --> 00:13:08,100 which connects to the cameras, and she would constantly check 202 00:13:08,166 --> 00:13:10,266 up on him and see what he was doing. 203 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:13,867 This isn't for robberies, this is for 204 00:13:13,867 --> 00:13:17,000 you to constantly check up on my dad. 205 00:13:18,467 --> 00:13:21,266 I did confront her, and I told her, 206 00:13:21,367 --> 00:13:24,266 "Why are you so obsessed with him?" 207 00:13:24,367 --> 00:13:27,400 And she responded, 208 00:13:27,467 --> 00:13:29,100 "You never know what he's doing. 209 00:13:29,166 --> 00:13:30,800 What if he's cheating on me?" 210 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:36,266 MAILINE: She did stalk him. 211 00:13:37,667 --> 00:13:40,567 One time, she's like, "We have to go. 212 00:13:40,567 --> 00:13:42,266 "We need to go find out where he is. 213 00:13:42,266 --> 00:13:43,800 He should be home right now." 214 00:13:45,266 --> 00:13:47,967 So we go, and we're driving around. 215 00:13:47,967 --> 00:13:50,767 There's a lot of townhomes and apartments, 216 00:13:52,967 --> 00:13:54,867 and she's like, "Which one is it? 217 00:13:54,967 --> 00:13:56,266 He's down here somewhere." 218 00:13:56,367 --> 00:13:59,300 She's trying to call him, and he's not answering, and I'm just 219 00:13:59,367 --> 00:14:02,001 sitting here like, oh, my God, what is going to happen? 220 00:14:02,001 --> 00:14:02,567 sitting here like, oh, my God, what is going to happen? 221 00:14:04,266 --> 00:14:06,567 We pull up to one, and she, like, goes and checks, 222 00:14:08,066 --> 00:14:09,166 and he's not there. 223 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,867 She was just obsessed with 224 00:14:12,867 --> 00:14:15,500 the fact that he was cheating on her. 225 00:14:18,467 --> 00:14:21,266 We drive home, because we couldn't find him. 226 00:14:22,867 --> 00:14:27,166 Then a big fight ensued when he came home. 227 00:14:27,266 --> 00:14:28,800 AS KARINA: You think I'm stupid? 228 00:14:28,867 --> 00:14:30,867 I know you weren't at work. 229 00:14:30,867 --> 00:14:32,001 MAILINE: I was always just confused why he stayed 230 00:14:32,001 --> 00:14:33,500 MAILINE: I was always just confused why he stayed 231 00:14:33,567 --> 00:14:37,000 with her, and he still did things for her. 232 00:14:37,066 --> 00:14:39,066 He was still kind to her. 233 00:14:39,066 --> 00:14:42,266 It's just -- I don't understand, and I 234 00:14:42,367 --> 00:14:44,467 don't think I ever will, what happened there. 235 00:14:44,567 --> 00:14:47,400 AS KARINA: Stop lying to me! 236 00:14:47,467 --> 00:14:51,100 He loved her, for whatever reason, that he felt some type 237 00:14:51,166 --> 00:14:52,166 of love towards her, 238 00:14:52,266 --> 00:14:55,767 and he stayed with her, even though she was 239 00:14:55,767 --> 00:14:57,066 horrible to him. 240 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,700 I did feel bad, 241 00:14:59,767 --> 00:15:02,001 because he didn't deserve all of that. 242 00:15:02,001 --> 00:15:04,400 because he didn't deserve all of that. 243 00:15:04,467 --> 00:15:06,166 I think he should have gotten out. 244 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:20,100 DELILA: I remember I was sitting down at 245 00:15:20,166 --> 00:15:23,100 the kitchen table, and I was eating. 246 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,667 My mom had bought 247 00:15:26,767 --> 00:15:29,567 some kind of rat killer 248 00:15:29,567 --> 00:15:31,200 chemical. 249 00:15:31,266 --> 00:15:32,001 She was telling me, 250 00:15:32,001 --> 00:15:33,567 She was telling me, 251 00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:35,700 "Oh, you know, I'm going to poison your dad. 252 00:15:35,767 --> 00:15:37,300 I'm so mad at him." 253 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:42,100 I was getting used to her threats. 254 00:15:42,166 --> 00:15:43,200 At that time, 255 00:15:43,266 --> 00:15:45,600 I didn't feel like she was capable of doing it. 256 00:15:45,667 --> 00:15:49,800 She would often tell him, like, "I poison your food," or 257 00:15:49,867 --> 00:15:53,200 "I switch your medication out with other things," 258 00:15:53,266 --> 00:15:55,500 and he was terrified. 259 00:15:57,266 --> 00:16:00,567 She did have, like, a nursing background. 260 00:16:00,667 --> 00:16:02,001 She would use that and say, 261 00:16:02,001 --> 00:16:03,266 She would use that and say, 262 00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:05,767 "I know how to kill you." 263 00:16:05,867 --> 00:16:07,567 I was scared -- I remember one time saying, 264 00:16:07,667 --> 00:16:09,667 "Mom, don't say that." 265 00:16:09,767 --> 00:16:10,900 Dinner's almost ready. 266 00:16:12,266 --> 00:16:13,266 This is for Kou. 267 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:18,100 MAILINE: Kou was scared. 268 00:16:18,166 --> 00:16:21,467 He was just scared to be living with her. 269 00:16:21,467 --> 00:16:23,400 Like, she was just so obsessed with him. 270 00:16:23,467 --> 00:16:25,900 How does a person live with 271 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,667 someone who is just obsessive over their -- 272 00:16:28,767 --> 00:16:30,767 every little aspect of their life? 273 00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:35,000 I feel like he couldn't live, and he couldn't breathe. 274 00:16:37,667 --> 00:16:40,000 He would tell me to keep an eye out for her doing 275 00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:41,367 weird things. 276 00:16:41,367 --> 00:16:44,100 He would say, like, "If something happens to me, 277 00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:45,667 your mom did this." 278 00:16:45,667 --> 00:16:48,867 He told me one time he waits for her to fall asleep before 279 00:16:48,967 --> 00:16:50,767 he falls asleep. 280 00:16:50,767 --> 00:16:52,000 I'm like... 281 00:16:52,066 --> 00:16:54,767 that's very real and scary. 282 00:17:08,367 --> 00:17:13,000 In April of 2011, Kou came to 283 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:14,367 my room in the middle of the night. 284 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:16,667 He's like, "Your mom is trying to set the house on fire." 285 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:20,300 I was like, oh, my God, what? 286 00:17:20,367 --> 00:17:23,100 So I got up, like, quick to go see what 287 00:17:23,166 --> 00:17:25,867 she was doing and see if she was really doing this. 288 00:17:25,867 --> 00:17:29,266 The gas stove was on, and she was ripping newspaper 289 00:17:29,266 --> 00:17:32,001 up and throwing the newspaper pieces into the gas burner. 290 00:17:32,001 --> 00:17:33,367 up and throwing the newspaper pieces into the gas burner. 291 00:17:33,367 --> 00:17:36,400 And I'm like, "Mom, you need to stop." 292 00:17:36,467 --> 00:17:37,867 Mom, please. 293 00:17:40,867 --> 00:17:43,567 And then she grabbed a knife that was on the counter next to 294 00:17:43,567 --> 00:17:45,100 her, and she's, like, waving 295 00:17:45,166 --> 00:17:47,367 it at me, and she's like, "Get out of here and go back to bed 296 00:17:47,367 --> 00:17:48,567 and mind your business." 297 00:17:53,266 --> 00:17:55,567 Kou's telling me, 298 00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:57,166 "It's okay. Let's go back to your room, 299 00:17:57,266 --> 00:17:58,500 and we'll call the cops." 300 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:02,001 And so we start walking down the hallway, 301 00:18:02,001 --> 00:18:03,467 And so we start walking down the hallway, 302 00:18:03,467 --> 00:18:06,767 and, all of a sudden, Kou, like, winces 303 00:18:06,767 --> 00:18:09,166 in pain, he's like, "Ow, that hurt." 304 00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:11,700 And I look, and it's a small knife, 305 00:18:11,767 --> 00:18:14,066 and she threw it at him into his shoulder. 306 00:18:14,066 --> 00:18:17,200 I said, "There's a knife in your back." 307 00:18:19,967 --> 00:18:21,200 And I called 911. 308 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:30,900 The cops arrest Karina and take her to jail for the night. 309 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,001 I was afraid for my life that night, and then 310 00:18:32,001 --> 00:18:33,900 I was afraid for my life that night, and then 311 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,066 I became afraid of nights for a long time after. 312 00:18:38,066 --> 00:18:40,767 Kou dropped the case, and he told us he was 313 00:18:40,867 --> 00:18:43,000 going to go back to live with her. 314 00:18:43,066 --> 00:18:44,467 I just thought that was crazy. 315 00:18:44,467 --> 00:18:48,100 Kou is telling me, "You need to call your dad. 316 00:18:48,166 --> 00:18:49,467 "He needs to come pick you guys up. 317 00:18:49,467 --> 00:18:51,200 It's not safe for you anymore." 318 00:18:51,266 --> 00:18:53,867 I called my dad, and he's like, "Okay, yeah, I'm coming." 319 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:06,000 I was happy to go live with him, 320 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:09,367 but I was worried about Kou, because she's just 321 00:19:09,367 --> 00:19:11,066 such a wild card. 322 00:19:11,066 --> 00:19:13,867 Karina's actions are increasingly getting worse. 323 00:19:13,867 --> 00:19:15,767 I never know what she's going to do. 324 00:19:15,767 --> 00:19:17,867 I was afraid that Kou was being 325 00:19:17,867 --> 00:19:20,567 left alone in a dangerous place with Karina. 326 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,266 [exhales, sniffles] 327 00:19:52,166 --> 00:19:54,600 It was pretty common for her to call me 328 00:19:54,667 --> 00:19:54,955 names every day, and I was pretty used to it. 329 00:19:54,955 --> 00:19:58,100 names every day, and I was pretty used to it. 330 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,500 I feel really, really sad when I listen to it, 331 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:07,567 because I remember 332 00:20:07,667 --> 00:20:12,266 during this time, I was so miserable and so depressed. 333 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,500 I don't want to remember my mom like this, 334 00:20:17,867 --> 00:20:23,000 but scars from emotional and verbal abuse 335 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:24,567 can last forever. 336 00:20:36,467 --> 00:20:39,800 They were able to do an order protection for, um, us kids 337 00:20:39,867 --> 00:20:43,266 so that my dad had custody of us for a whole year. 338 00:20:44,667 --> 00:20:47,967 The day it expired, Karina came and got Delila 339 00:20:47,967 --> 00:20:50,767 and her brother first, and then 340 00:20:50,767 --> 00:20:53,567 she came and got another brother, and there was nothing 341 00:20:53,667 --> 00:20:54,955 that anyone could do about it. 342 00:20:54,955 --> 00:20:55,000 that anyone could do about it. 343 00:20:56,166 --> 00:20:57,300 AS KARINA: Let's go! 344 00:20:57,367 --> 00:20:59,300 MAILINE: And so after that, like, my dad, 345 00:20:59,367 --> 00:21:02,567 he couldn't do anything, because she had the right to 346 00:21:02,567 --> 00:21:05,367 take him, and... 347 00:21:05,467 --> 00:21:09,800 we were just flabbergasted that she was able to do this. 348 00:21:09,867 --> 00:21:11,400 We were all devastated, 349 00:21:12,867 --> 00:21:15,300 and I hated her for what she did. 350 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:18,600 She split the family in half now. 351 00:21:20,066 --> 00:21:22,100 Us three older ones went with my dad, 352 00:21:23,266 --> 00:21:24,955 and then the three younger ones went with her. 353 00:21:24,955 --> 00:21:25,100 and then the three younger ones went with her. 354 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,867 I was afraid for the kids at the house. 355 00:21:36,767 --> 00:21:39,367 I did feel guilty that Delila had to 356 00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:41,500 become her punching bag now. 357 00:21:41,567 --> 00:21:44,367 She didn't deserve any of that. Nobody deserves that. 358 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,967 I definitely felt like I needed to 359 00:21:49,967 --> 00:21:52,867 protect my younger siblings and be responsible 360 00:21:52,867 --> 00:21:54,955 and step up, because... 361 00:21:54,955 --> 00:21:56,400 and step up, because... 362 00:21:56,467 --> 00:21:58,400 I didn't know 363 00:21:59,567 --> 00:22:02,166 what my mother was going to do next. 364 00:22:04,767 --> 00:22:07,500 Karina was getting more psychotic 365 00:22:07,567 --> 00:22:09,867 and more aggressive with Kou. 366 00:22:09,867 --> 00:22:11,567 AS KOU: Why do you always do this? 367 00:22:11,667 --> 00:22:14,567 AS KARINA: Because you never listen! 368 00:22:14,567 --> 00:22:19,100 I was very depressed, and I didn't know how to handle 369 00:22:19,166 --> 00:22:22,266 their issues and handle my emotions 370 00:22:22,367 --> 00:22:24,955 and handle my younger siblings. 371 00:22:24,955 --> 00:22:25,467 and handle my younger siblings. 372 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:30,400 I felt lonely as the oldest 373 00:22:30,467 --> 00:22:35,767 daughter at home, to be witnessing firsthand 374 00:22:35,767 --> 00:22:41,867 and feeling like I didn't have a fiscal support system. 375 00:22:41,967 --> 00:22:43,567 AS KARINA: Go ahead, take your shot! 376 00:22:43,667 --> 00:22:45,166 AS KOU: You are insane! 377 00:22:45,266 --> 00:22:48,767 My mom was constantly telling me to 378 00:22:48,767 --> 00:22:51,700 not keep in touch with my sister. 379 00:22:56,667 --> 00:23:00,100 Kou came into my bedroom one day 380 00:23:00,166 --> 00:23:02,700 and told me seriously, 381 00:23:02,767 --> 00:23:05,667 "I'm sick and tired of your mother bullying me." 382 00:23:05,667 --> 00:23:09,100 Their relationship was always getting worse. 383 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,200 I always hung out with my friends after school, 384 00:23:28,266 --> 00:23:31,300 and I had gotten a call 385 00:23:31,367 --> 00:23:35,667 from my mom, and my mom was asking me 386 00:23:35,667 --> 00:23:38,567 to stay overnight at my friend's. 387 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:40,266 I don't even have my clothes here. 388 00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:43,567 Usually, she doesn't let me sleep over at my friend's. 389 00:23:44,567 --> 00:23:49,300 The next day, my mom asked me to stay overnight again. 390 00:23:49,367 --> 00:23:51,000 [phone buzzing] 391 00:23:51,066 --> 00:23:52,767 I was like, why? 392 00:23:52,867 --> 00:23:54,667 I already stayed one night. 393 00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:54,955 So why do you want me to stay another night? 394 00:23:54,955 --> 00:23:57,266 So why do you want me to stay another night? 395 00:23:57,367 --> 00:23:59,967 And she wouldn't answer me why. 396 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,066 She told me, "I love you." 397 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,100 She would never say 398 00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:08,767 affectionate things. 399 00:24:08,767 --> 00:24:13,400 I counted three times where she said "I love you" to me. 400 00:24:13,467 --> 00:24:16,367 So I thought it was pretty odd. 401 00:24:23,467 --> 00:24:24,955 After coming back from my sleepover, 402 00:24:24,955 --> 00:24:26,300 After coming back from my sleepover, 403 00:24:26,367 --> 00:24:30,166 I came into the house, and I asked where dad was, 404 00:24:30,266 --> 00:24:33,767 and they said that mom had told them that he 405 00:24:33,767 --> 00:24:35,867 was going to go stay at a relative's. 406 00:24:35,967 --> 00:24:38,900 I asked them if they wanted to go play outside, 407 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,867 because I haven't seen them in awhile, 408 00:24:40,967 --> 00:24:42,700 and I wanted to spend some time with them. 409 00:24:44,567 --> 00:24:46,166 When we went outside to play, 410 00:24:46,166 --> 00:24:48,000 I saw my mom. 411 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:51,200 My mom looked wary, and she looked uncomfortable. 412 00:24:55,166 --> 00:24:59,600 I saw a huge hole dug in her garden, 413 00:25:02,867 --> 00:25:06,367 and it was covered with some tarp-like material. 414 00:25:07,567 --> 00:25:11,600 I'm not thinking much of it, but I joke around, and I say, 415 00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:13,600 "What if there's a dead body down there?" 416 00:25:15,367 --> 00:25:19,500 And my siblings and I just laugh it off, and my mom is back 417 00:25:19,567 --> 00:25:21,900 there, and she says, 418 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000 "I'm just building a shed there." 419 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:29,367 It wasn't unusual for my mom to have projects in the yard. 420 00:25:29,367 --> 00:25:30,400 Why? 421 00:25:30,467 --> 00:25:35,700 Her reasoning to make the shed was to increase 422 00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:39,166 the value of the house, because she planned to sell it. 423 00:25:39,166 --> 00:25:42,367 She began to work on the shed a couple of days later. 424 00:25:46,367 --> 00:25:49,467 The days passed, and Kou still didn't come home. 425 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,467 On the third day, when he wasn't home, 426 00:25:54,567 --> 00:25:54,955 I messaged him and asked him 427 00:25:54,955 --> 00:25:57,200 I messaged him and asked him 428 00:25:57,266 --> 00:26:01,166 where he was, and I had no reply, 429 00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:03,567 but my message was delivered. 430 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,000 I didn't believe he went away. 431 00:26:09,066 --> 00:26:10,367 It wasn't like him. 432 00:26:11,767 --> 00:26:13,900 He wouldn't leave his kids like that. 433 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,800 When I asked her about where my dad was, she would 434 00:26:18,867 --> 00:26:23,000 go crazy, and she would yell 435 00:26:23,066 --> 00:26:24,955 and cry and act crazy. 436 00:26:24,955 --> 00:26:27,567 and cry and act crazy. 437 00:26:29,166 --> 00:26:31,000 [sighs heavily] 438 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:34,166 I started recording, because I had 439 00:26:34,266 --> 00:26:37,367 an intuition that something was off. 440 00:27:16,166 --> 00:27:18,100 I... 441 00:27:18,166 --> 00:27:21,567 asked where my dad was, and... 442 00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:24,955 this was her response. 443 00:27:24,955 --> 00:27:25,200 this was her response. 444 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:28,567 I knew something was wrong when 445 00:27:28,667 --> 00:27:31,266 her response was so harsh and dismissive. 446 00:27:36,767 --> 00:27:40,266 It kind of looks like where you would bury a body. 447 00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:50,000 I remember texting Mailine about 448 00:27:50,066 --> 00:27:52,667 the strange things going on in the house. 449 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,967 I started to think something's wrong. 450 00:28:05,467 --> 00:28:08,166 DELILA: Kou had been gone for two weeks, 451 00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:11,100 and my mother started cleaning up the house. 452 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,066 Most of the work being done was in the parents' bedroom, 453 00:28:17,066 --> 00:28:19,367 and my mother told my siblings 454 00:28:19,467 --> 00:28:21,600 and I to not enter the room at all. 455 00:28:23,266 --> 00:28:26,667 One day, my friend came over, and I told her what was 456 00:28:26,667 --> 00:28:29,667 going on -- we waited for my mom to leave the house. 457 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,066 We go check the bedroom. 458 00:28:34,667 --> 00:28:37,367 We look in the closet -- nothing, there's no clothes 459 00:28:37,367 --> 00:28:40,967 in there, no sign of my dad, 460 00:28:40,967 --> 00:28:45,200 and the mattress is covered by a cloth. 461 00:28:48,166 --> 00:28:53,867 That room was just so empty and eerie and just creepy. 462 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,000 We uncover the cloth, 463 00:28:58,066 --> 00:29:01,800 and in the mattress, we find a cutout hole, 464 00:29:01,867 --> 00:29:03,473 and I'm like, that's weird. 465 00:29:03,473 --> 00:29:04,367 and I'm like, that's weird. 466 00:29:04,467 --> 00:29:06,767 Why would the mattress be cut out? 467 00:29:08,266 --> 00:29:10,500 That's the side that my dad usually sleeps. 468 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,367 We hear my mom coming back home, 469 00:29:13,367 --> 00:29:15,667 so we cover the cloth back onto 470 00:29:15,767 --> 00:29:20,166 the mattress, and we leave the bedroom as it was. 471 00:29:25,767 --> 00:29:27,800 I remember texting Mailine. 472 00:29:30,867 --> 00:29:33,473 It was just overall really odd that 473 00:29:33,473 --> 00:29:34,500 It was just overall really odd that 474 00:29:34,567 --> 00:29:37,367 the mattress was cut out the way it was. 475 00:29:37,367 --> 00:29:40,867 I'm like, nobody does that, and why is she keeping that bed? 476 00:29:40,967 --> 00:29:44,100 Now that's definitely something that 477 00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:45,767 we should be worried about. 478 00:29:45,767 --> 00:29:50,600 Things were starting to add up that Karina did something. 479 00:29:52,266 --> 00:29:54,567 She texted me, 480 00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:57,166 what if mom did murder Kou? 481 00:29:57,266 --> 00:29:59,266 If she did, she's [bleep] crazy. 482 00:30:01,567 --> 00:30:03,473 There's no other way to describe what's happening 483 00:30:03,473 --> 00:30:03,767 There's no other way to describe what's happening 484 00:30:03,867 --> 00:30:05,667 right now other than 485 00:30:05,667 --> 00:30:08,266 she killed him, and now she's hiding it. 486 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,367 DELILA: My younger sister had sent me a text 487 00:30:23,367 --> 00:30:26,266 saying, "Mommy's suspicious," 488 00:30:26,367 --> 00:30:29,467 and I asked her why, and she explained to 489 00:30:29,567 --> 00:30:33,473 me that mom was going to take her shopping, but instead, 490 00:30:33,473 --> 00:30:33,767 me that mom was going to take her shopping, but instead, 491 00:30:33,867 --> 00:30:36,700 they took an hour-long ride to the park. 492 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,900 When they arrived, my mom, 493 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,567 she took a trash bag and threw it somewhere in the park, 494 00:30:44,567 --> 00:30:47,367 and they left. 495 00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,767 I was asking what kind of object did you see 496 00:30:51,767 --> 00:30:52,767 in the trash bag? 497 00:30:52,767 --> 00:30:55,200 But my sister couldn't really remember. 498 00:30:56,500 --> 00:31:01,867 Who would drive an hour away from home to a park, 499 00:31:01,967 --> 00:31:03,473 a really big park, and just throw a trash bag away 500 00:31:03,473 --> 00:31:06,367 a really big park, and just throw a trash bag away 501 00:31:06,367 --> 00:31:07,600 over there? 502 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:14,867 That's a little inconvenient to throw one bag of trash away. 503 00:31:14,867 --> 00:31:18,100 Did she throw away the murder weapon? 504 00:31:18,166 --> 00:31:19,800 Is that what she threw away? 505 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,967 I just remember, every day when I 506 00:31:26,967 --> 00:31:30,500 would wake up, I would be scared, 507 00:31:31,567 --> 00:31:33,473 because who knows what's going to happen that day? 508 00:31:33,473 --> 00:31:35,000 because who knows what's going to happen that day? 509 00:31:37,767 --> 00:31:39,600 I was pretty hesitant about calling 510 00:31:39,667 --> 00:31:44,367 the police, because I wasn't 100 percent sure if 511 00:31:44,367 --> 00:31:48,467 my mother was actually capable of doing this, 512 00:31:48,467 --> 00:31:50,567 but I went through with it. 513 00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:59,000 I was telling the police officer all the things I found 514 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,767 and all the things I've heard from my mom. 515 00:32:02,767 --> 00:32:03,473 Yeah, I think she might have done something. 516 00:32:03,473 --> 00:32:05,400 Yeah, I think she might have done something. 517 00:32:05,467 --> 00:32:09,667 The hole being dug and building a shed on top of it. 518 00:32:09,767 --> 00:32:12,667 My dad and his stuff are gone, 519 00:32:12,767 --> 00:32:14,500 and he's not replying to my texts, 520 00:32:15,467 --> 00:32:19,066 and the mattress has a hole cut out. 521 00:32:20,667 --> 00:32:22,567 [quietly] No...what? 522 00:32:22,667 --> 00:32:27,066 DELILA: I was on the phone call for two hours. 523 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,100 The police officer that I'm talking to doesn't 524 00:32:32,166 --> 00:32:33,473 tell me if they believe me or not. 525 00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:34,867 tell me if they believe me or not. 526 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:55,467 I took a huge risk by working with law enforcement. 527 00:32:55,567 --> 00:32:58,467 I changed the names of the officers on my phone 528 00:32:58,467 --> 00:33:02,800 so that she wouldn't see that they were officers. 529 00:33:02,867 --> 00:33:03,473 -Who's that? -Um, just a friend. 530 00:33:03,473 --> 00:33:06,867 -Who's that? -Um, just a friend. 531 00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:11,767 When Delila told me that she was working with the police, 532 00:33:11,867 --> 00:33:12,867 I was scared. 533 00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:15,467 I was worried for her safety. 534 00:33:15,467 --> 00:33:18,200 I was worried what would happen if Karina 535 00:33:18,266 --> 00:33:21,200 found out that she was communicating with them. 536 00:33:21,266 --> 00:33:22,867 You're gonna be late. 537 00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:26,066 So I told Delila, I'm like, you need to be very careful. 538 00:33:39,367 --> 00:33:41,266 DELILA: We were cleaning up the house so 539 00:33:41,266 --> 00:33:43,367 that she could put it up for sale. 540 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,767 We were in the basement cleaning, and all of a sudden, 541 00:33:48,867 --> 00:33:52,767 there's two men outside, and they're knocking on the door, 542 00:33:52,867 --> 00:33:54,166 ringing the doorbell, 543 00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:55,367 [doorbell rings] 544 00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:59,266 and immediately, I knew it was the police officers. 545 00:33:59,367 --> 00:34:02,066 OFFICER: Anybody home in there? 546 00:34:02,066 --> 00:34:06,139 My mom saw on the camera and knew that it was them. 547 00:34:06,139 --> 00:34:07,100 My mom saw on the camera and knew that it was them. 548 00:34:07,166 --> 00:34:08,266 [knocking noises] 549 00:34:08,266 --> 00:34:11,266 She told us to be quiet, to settle down, 550 00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:13,000 and she turned off all the lights. 551 00:34:13,066 --> 00:34:14,567 -[doorbell ringing] -[knocking noises] 552 00:34:14,567 --> 00:34:16,166 OFFICER: Hello in there, anybody home? 553 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,967 We were just quiet, 554 00:34:19,967 --> 00:34:22,066 just waiting down in the basement, and I was texting 555 00:34:22,066 --> 00:34:24,100 the police officer like, "Hey, 556 00:34:24,166 --> 00:34:26,467 she's ignoring you on purpose." 557 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:31,867 They left, and they did the same thing next day, 558 00:34:31,867 --> 00:34:34,500 and my mom had the same reaction the next day. 559 00:34:36,166 --> 00:34:39,867 I felt disappointed when they left, because I wasn't 560 00:34:39,867 --> 00:34:42,867 sure if they were going to keep on persisting. 561 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,900 We're taking our belongings, and we're leaving the place. 562 00:35:00,066 --> 00:35:03,000 And I'm texting the sergeant, "We're leaving." 563 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,000 As we step out, 564 00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:06,139 the police officer came out, 565 00:35:06,139 --> 00:35:07,767 the police officer came out, 566 00:35:07,867 --> 00:35:12,400 handcuffed her, and read her Miranda rights. 567 00:35:14,967 --> 00:35:18,200 When my mother was being handcuffed and taken away, 568 00:35:18,266 --> 00:35:20,600 she looked furious. 569 00:35:20,667 --> 00:35:22,500 She turned back at me and said, 570 00:35:22,567 --> 00:35:25,000 "Don't tell the police officers anything." 571 00:35:27,767 --> 00:35:30,867 I immediately updated my sister, Mailine. 572 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,767 At that point, I was feeling very relieved. 573 00:35:34,867 --> 00:35:36,139 I knew that Delila was safe. 574 00:35:36,139 --> 00:35:39,100 I knew that Delila was safe. 575 00:35:39,166 --> 00:35:41,266 Part of me was a little worried. 576 00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:44,100 I was thinking, what if Karina 577 00:35:44,166 --> 00:35:46,867 finds out that Delila helped orchestrate this? 578 00:35:48,166 --> 00:35:51,467 I felt like there was still a possibility of her getting 579 00:35:51,467 --> 00:35:55,567 away, because we're just used to her getting caught, 580 00:35:55,667 --> 00:35:56,767 getting let go. 581 00:35:56,767 --> 00:35:58,800 Is Karina going to get out again 582 00:35:58,867 --> 00:36:00,166 like she always does? 583 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,600 DELILA: I was still worried where Kou was, 584 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,767 and I was hoping that he would pop up. 585 00:36:17,667 --> 00:36:19,867 The sergeant had told me that they 586 00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:22,800 had gotten a search warrant for my house. 587 00:36:23,967 --> 00:36:27,400 They removed the shed, 588 00:36:27,467 --> 00:36:31,800 and then they dug up the hole, and they had found a body. 589 00:36:33,567 --> 00:36:36,139 I didn't want it to be my dad so bad. 590 00:36:36,139 --> 00:36:37,300 I didn't want it to be my dad so bad. 591 00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:42,900 I really wanted it to be someone else besides my dad. 592 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,900 I know it sounds horrible, but I really wish it wasn't my dad. 593 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,100 The police called Mailine, and I was in the same room. 594 00:36:58,166 --> 00:37:00,467 He confirmed that it was my dad's body, 595 00:37:00,467 --> 00:37:03,367 and I remember crying so hard. 596 00:37:05,367 --> 00:37:06,139 I felt guilty that I hadn't catched on sooner, 597 00:37:06,139 --> 00:37:09,667 I felt guilty that I hadn't catched on sooner, 598 00:37:09,667 --> 00:37:12,000 and I also feel disgusted, 599 00:37:12,066 --> 00:37:14,066 because I was living in that house 600 00:37:14,066 --> 00:37:16,667 while he was in the backyard. 601 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,300 The sergeant told me that once they found his body, 602 00:37:22,367 --> 00:37:25,667 and they told Karina that his body was found in the yard, 603 00:37:25,667 --> 00:37:27,400 she did admit to killing him. 604 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,166 I was devastated. 605 00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:35,166 My siblings were there listening, and I was devastated 606 00:37:35,266 --> 00:37:36,139 for them, because that was their dad, 607 00:37:36,139 --> 00:37:38,367 for them, because that was their dad, 608 00:37:38,367 --> 00:37:40,467 and hearing them cry for the first time 609 00:37:40,567 --> 00:37:42,166 in a long time, that hurt. 610 00:37:54,567 --> 00:37:57,667 This is a mug shot of Karina 611 00:37:57,767 --> 00:38:02,300 after she was arrested for murdering Kou. 612 00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:04,200 This is the her that I always kind 613 00:38:04,266 --> 00:38:06,139 of knew was there, that I was scared of. 614 00:38:06,139 --> 00:38:06,600 of knew was there, that I was scared of. 615 00:38:10,266 --> 00:38:12,700 I always feel torn when I see 616 00:38:12,767 --> 00:38:17,100 pictures of her, because I missed my mother, 617 00:38:17,166 --> 00:38:20,100 and then I hate her 618 00:38:21,266 --> 00:38:23,567 because of everything she's done to me. 619 00:38:23,567 --> 00:38:25,100 [sniffles] 620 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,867 I just need a minute. 621 00:38:29,867 --> 00:38:31,467 [sniffles] 622 00:38:51,266 --> 00:38:53,367 I believe it was premeditated. 623 00:38:53,367 --> 00:38:56,400 However, she claims it was not. 624 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,367 And she claims that he raped her, 625 00:39:01,367 --> 00:39:03,467 and then... 626 00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:06,139 she waited for him to fall asleep and got her gun 627 00:39:06,139 --> 00:39:07,166 she waited for him to fall asleep and got her gun 628 00:39:07,166 --> 00:39:11,266 and shot him twice in the head while he was sleeping. 629 00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,800 Everything seemed too pre-planned for her to 630 00:39:15,867 --> 00:39:18,000 have killed him because of this one event. 631 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,600 There were too many things already put 632 00:39:21,667 --> 00:39:25,567 into motion for me to truly believe her. 633 00:39:30,166 --> 00:39:32,367 I think a part of me 634 00:39:33,567 --> 00:39:36,139 didn't want to believe that my mother really did do it. 635 00:39:36,139 --> 00:39:37,100 didn't want to believe that my mother really did do it. 636 00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:41,266 But part of me wanted justice for my dad. 637 00:39:42,367 --> 00:39:45,867 I learned that my mother had shot him twice 638 00:39:45,967 --> 00:39:48,100 in the back of his head while he was sleeping. 639 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,900 Then my mother dragged him from 640 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,100 the bedroom all the way to the backyard. 641 00:39:58,166 --> 00:40:01,500 She dug a hole for his body 642 00:40:01,567 --> 00:40:03,367 and put his body down there. 643 00:40:05,367 --> 00:40:06,139 And she covered some tarp-like material over his body. 644 00:40:06,139 --> 00:40:10,266 And she covered some tarp-like material over his body. 645 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,567 [exhales shakily] 646 00:40:13,667 --> 00:40:15,000 [sniffles] 647 00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:32,000 I'm trying not to worry so much about the future 648 00:40:32,066 --> 00:40:35,000 just because there's so much time until she gets out. 649 00:40:35,066 --> 00:40:36,139 But I am going to be prepared for it. 650 00:40:36,139 --> 00:40:38,467 But I am going to be prepared for it. 651 00:40:39,967 --> 00:40:44,800 I will make sure that my siblings and I are safe. 652 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:49,900 I don't care if she knows that I helped with 653 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,700 law enforcement, because I know that I did the right thing. 654 00:40:53,767 --> 00:40:57,867 I am proud of what I did -- I'm proud of that. 655 00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:01,467 I have mixed emotions about her. 656 00:41:01,567 --> 00:41:05,100 I hate her, I love her, and I miss her. 657 00:41:05,166 --> 00:41:06,139 But I also don't miss her. 658 00:41:06,139 --> 00:41:08,000 But I also don't miss her. 659 00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:09,867 I don't want her to be near around me, 660 00:41:09,867 --> 00:41:12,467 and I don't have any plans on 661 00:41:12,467 --> 00:41:15,967 contacting her anytime soon, and I don't 662 00:41:15,967 --> 00:41:17,900 plan on seeing her in the future. 663 00:41:25,467 --> 00:41:28,667 MAILINE: I do think about when she's going to be out. 664 00:41:30,266 --> 00:41:33,000 Is she going to try to reach out to 665 00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:36,139 my younger siblings, who I now have custody of? 666 00:41:36,139 --> 00:41:36,467 my younger siblings, who I now have custody of? 667 00:41:36,467 --> 00:41:38,066 I want no contact with her. 668 00:41:38,066 --> 00:41:42,600 She's just a mother by name, but we have no relationship. 669 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,100 The evil in her just kept growing. 670 00:41:48,166 --> 00:41:51,567 And every time she got away with doing something horrible, 671 00:41:51,667 --> 00:41:53,400 it grew bigger. 672 00:41:54,867 --> 00:41:58,767 And somewhere along the way, she lost her moral compass. 673 00:41:58,767 --> 00:42:02,367 And when you lose that, there's nothing to stop you 674 00:42:02,367 --> 00:42:03,667 from doing anything.