1 00:00:06,758 --> 00:00:08,000 Oh, you guys are killing me. 2 00:00:08,103 --> 00:00:09,379 [sniffles] 3 00:00:13,034 --> 00:00:16,620 That picture makes me feel anger and sadness. 4 00:00:19,068 --> 00:00:21,310 It makes me angry at John. It makes me hate him. 5 00:00:23,137 --> 00:00:23,896 He was my brother. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,931 He was the only person I had left. 7 00:00:27,241 --> 00:00:30,034 And family's supposed to be there for family, 8 00:00:30,137 --> 00:00:33,275 but how could you -- how could you be there for that? 9 00:00:34,896 --> 00:00:37,068 God, I can't even imagine it. 10 00:00:38,896 --> 00:00:40,793 I can't even imagine it. 11 00:00:54,413 --> 00:00:55,896 Doesn't even look like John. 12 00:00:58,517 --> 00:01:00,241 Doesn't look like the John I remember. 13 00:01:01,482 --> 00:01:03,931 He could have had a really good life. 14 00:01:05,448 --> 00:01:07,103 Somewhere along the way, he... 15 00:01:08,620 --> 00:01:10,137 took a wrong turn. 16 00:01:10,241 --> 00:01:12,103 The damage that he has done is... 17 00:01:14,517 --> 00:01:15,517 unrepairable. 18 00:01:18,241 --> 00:01:19,413 There's no going back. 19 00:01:21,551 --> 00:01:24,103 You can't bring any of these victims back. 20 00:01:27,965 --> 00:01:30,033 And I'm so glad my parents weren't around to see 21 00:01:30,137 --> 00:01:32,620 him there, to see that picture. 22 00:01:35,655 --> 00:01:37,000 I don't know how he was able to 23 00:01:37,103 --> 00:01:40,689 keep people fooled for so long by his stories. 24 00:01:42,206 --> 00:01:44,103 He always seemed to have an excuse 25 00:01:44,206 --> 00:01:45,517 that seemed to be plausible. 26 00:01:47,413 --> 00:01:52,310 John had this evilness to him that I didn't see. 27 00:01:52,413 --> 00:01:55,206 I think I was too close to him. 28 00:01:55,310 --> 00:01:57,517 I love my brother. 29 00:01:57,620 --> 00:01:59,068 And I hate him. 30 00:02:04,379 --> 00:02:07,344 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 31 00:02:07,448 --> 00:02:09,723 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 32 00:02:09,827 --> 00:02:11,620 [static crackling] 33 00:02:14,068 --> 00:02:16,586 -[knock at door] -[creaking] 34 00:02:16,689 --> 00:02:21,965 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 35 00:02:22,068 --> 00:02:26,068 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 36 00:02:26,172 --> 00:02:29,206 [water dripping] 37 00:02:29,310 --> 00:02:32,067 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 38 00:02:32,172 --> 00:02:34,103 [sinister chord strikes] 39 00:02:42,862 --> 00:02:44,724 This is a picture of John and I. 40 00:02:45,930 --> 00:02:50,310 I think I was probably about...five. 41 00:02:53,137 --> 00:02:54,000 And... 42 00:02:55,724 --> 00:02:57,413 he was probably about eight. 43 00:02:58,551 --> 00:03:02,068 We grew up in Augusta, Michigan, very small town. 44 00:03:03,793 --> 00:03:06,586 John and I were very close. 45 00:03:08,517 --> 00:03:10,172 I loved him. I looked up to him. 46 00:03:10,275 --> 00:03:12,206 And I wanted to do what he was doing. 47 00:03:12,310 --> 00:03:15,172 Playing baseball, playing kickball, playing hide and seek. 48 00:03:16,793 --> 00:03:17,965 We did it all together. 49 00:03:19,896 --> 00:03:22,172 Oh, I'd love to go back to that time. 50 00:03:22,275 --> 00:03:25,655 John and I had a fantastic childhood. 51 00:03:27,862 --> 00:03:29,620 It was a normal childhood. 52 00:03:29,724 --> 00:03:32,517 Somewhere along the way, 53 00:03:32,620 --> 00:03:34,862 something happened with John. 54 00:03:36,551 --> 00:03:39,758 He let...evil in. 55 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,448 My father, he was police chief. 56 00:04:03,551 --> 00:04:05,724 He was fire chief. 57 00:04:05,827 --> 00:04:08,275 He was mayor of Augusta. 58 00:04:08,379 --> 00:04:10,482 He did everything. 59 00:04:11,689 --> 00:04:13,103 We knew everybody, 60 00:04:13,206 --> 00:04:14,793 and everybody knew who we were. 61 00:04:16,206 --> 00:04:18,620 John, at a young age, got himself 62 00:04:18,724 --> 00:04:21,067 into trouble quite a bit with his mouth. 63 00:04:23,206 --> 00:04:25,482 When John was in high school, 64 00:04:25,586 --> 00:04:28,137 he had a friend, they would both run up 65 00:04:28,241 --> 00:04:30,000 to the girls' locker room, 66 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:34,172 and he would open up the door and just yell, 67 00:04:34,275 --> 00:04:36,034 you know, "I need a maxi pad!" 68 00:04:36,137 --> 00:04:38,275 And they just thought that was so funny. 69 00:04:38,379 --> 00:04:40,586 [distant male laughter] 70 00:04:40,689 --> 00:04:42,758 When they came home and they told me about it, 71 00:04:42,862 --> 00:04:44,482 and, of course I laughed. 72 00:04:44,586 --> 00:04:46,379 I just shook my head. 73 00:04:46,482 --> 00:04:48,758 I'm like, "John you're gonna get into trouble for that." 74 00:04:50,379 --> 00:04:53,310 And he always was, like, shrug it off, be like... 75 00:04:53,413 --> 00:04:54,862 "I'm just havin' fun." 76 00:05:00,551 --> 00:05:02,413 Well, my parents always wanted to 77 00:05:02,517 --> 00:05:04,482 make sure that we always were truthful. 78 00:05:06,689 --> 00:05:07,862 John would get in trouble 79 00:05:07,965 --> 00:05:09,379 because he didn't tell the truth. 80 00:05:10,724 --> 00:05:14,103 John would tell stories, lies, 81 00:05:14,206 --> 00:05:17,000 about his homework and school. 82 00:05:18,620 --> 00:05:22,310 John always had an excuse or story for what he did, 83 00:05:22,413 --> 00:05:23,896 and I don't think I ever remember him 84 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,379 taking responsibility. 85 00:05:26,620 --> 00:05:30,206 And when we weren't truthful and we lied, 86 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:32,793 my father would take action with that. 87 00:05:32,896 --> 00:05:35,689 AS JOHN'S FATHER: Come on now, John, confess. 88 00:05:35,793 --> 00:05:39,896 CHRISTINA: My dad would take him in his bedroom, 89 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,655 shut the door, and then ask him to tell the truth, 90 00:05:43,758 --> 00:05:46,758 and when he didn't, 91 00:05:46,862 --> 00:05:48,275 then he would get a spanking. 92 00:05:48,379 --> 00:05:52,068 [smacking noises] 93 00:05:52,172 --> 00:05:56,137 And until he was able to then tell the truth. 94 00:05:58,172 --> 00:06:01,000 When John got a spanking, that bothered me. 95 00:06:02,724 --> 00:06:03,896 I would cry. 96 00:06:05,517 --> 00:06:07,793 I think it hurt me worse than it did him. 97 00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:12,000 I don't remember John crying. 98 00:06:12,103 --> 00:06:14,517 John was never really too emotional 99 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:17,586 growing up that I could ever remember. 100 00:06:30,413 --> 00:06:33,896 John and I used to play games 101 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,103 at night after my mom and dad went to bed. 102 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:40,586 John and I had bedrooms that were right next to one another. 103 00:06:40,689 --> 00:06:43,000 When mom and dad thought we were in bed, 104 00:06:43,103 --> 00:06:45,448 we used to throw things at each other in our rooms. 105 00:06:46,689 --> 00:06:49,965 It was mainly stuffed animals, and we'd just 106 00:06:50,068 --> 00:06:52,862 throw them back and forth and just laugh. 107 00:06:52,965 --> 00:06:55,068 We did it all the time. 108 00:06:55,172 --> 00:06:57,275 One night, I threw a stuffed animal 109 00:06:57,379 --> 00:06:59,758 into his room, and he didn't throw it back. 110 00:07:01,931 --> 00:07:03,517 So I threw something else. 111 00:07:05,034 --> 00:07:06,103 He didn't throw it back. 112 00:07:07,655 --> 00:07:10,793 So I grabbed something else, and I threw it. 113 00:07:15,896 --> 00:07:18,000 This time John came back, 114 00:07:18,103 --> 00:07:19,793 but he walked right into my room. 115 00:07:23,413 --> 00:07:27,896 He just said, "If you throw anything else, 116 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,310 I'm gonna kill you." 117 00:07:33,103 --> 00:07:35,103 It didn't even sound like John. 118 00:07:35,206 --> 00:07:36,482 He was very dark. 119 00:07:38,413 --> 00:07:41,793 That was the feeling I got -- very, 120 00:07:41,896 --> 00:07:45,034 very dark and just unlike John. 121 00:07:46,793 --> 00:07:48,241 It did scare me a little bit, 122 00:07:49,379 --> 00:07:50,482 and I just went and got in bed, 123 00:07:50,586 --> 00:07:52,758 and he turned around and went his bedroom, 124 00:07:52,862 --> 00:07:54,275 and that was it. 125 00:07:54,379 --> 00:07:56,586 I just figured he was just 126 00:07:56,689 --> 00:07:59,137 in a bad mood that night, could have been a million things. 127 00:08:02,965 --> 00:08:06,724 I do not believe that we even played that game anymore. 128 00:08:07,965 --> 00:08:11,310 And, you know, you don't think that your brother is 129 00:08:12,551 --> 00:08:15,103 mean or -- or evil. 130 00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:18,586 I don't think that at all. 131 00:08:19,689 --> 00:08:21,517 Looking back, 132 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:24,896 after what I know now and what John has done, 133 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,379 maybe that was a flag, and I didn't notice. 134 00:08:28,689 --> 00:08:30,586 His threat that night 135 00:08:32,309 --> 00:08:33,688 could have been more than... 136 00:08:35,931 --> 00:08:37,000 just talk. 137 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:50,620 Growing up, John and I both had a paper route 138 00:08:50,724 --> 00:08:52,379 when we were kids. 139 00:08:52,482 --> 00:08:54,103 He did one side of town, and I did 140 00:08:54,206 --> 00:08:55,793 the other side of town -- one day, 141 00:08:55,896 --> 00:08:59,068 I was on my paper route, and I was delivering 142 00:08:59,172 --> 00:09:03,655 a paper to this house that had a big, beautiful dog. 143 00:09:03,758 --> 00:09:06,827 When I walked up to the porch, 144 00:09:06,931 --> 00:09:08,931 here come that big dog. 145 00:09:09,034 --> 00:09:11,034 The dog jumped on me, 146 00:09:11,137 --> 00:09:13,793 put me down to the ground, then I remember 147 00:09:13,896 --> 00:09:17,241 the people that lived there coming out 148 00:09:17,344 --> 00:09:19,034 and pulling the dog off me. 149 00:09:19,137 --> 00:09:20,241 [distant dog barking] 150 00:09:20,344 --> 00:09:22,517 I was crying when I went home. 151 00:09:24,896 --> 00:09:26,896 Mom and dad were calming me. 152 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,103 We talked about how the dog had attacked me. 153 00:09:30,206 --> 00:09:33,034 I had a few bite marks on me, but I -- there 154 00:09:33,137 --> 00:09:36,068 was no blood or anything like that, but it scared me. 155 00:09:38,724 --> 00:09:41,103 I know John was there, but I don't 156 00:09:41,206 --> 00:09:43,724 remember John ever saying anything 157 00:09:43,827 --> 00:09:47,413 at that time or even acting upset 158 00:09:47,517 --> 00:09:48,689 over the situation. 159 00:09:53,413 --> 00:09:55,896 When I went to do my paper route the next day, 160 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,965 the dog was nowhere to be found. 161 00:09:59,068 --> 00:10:02,275 And every day the dog was not there, 162 00:10:02,379 --> 00:10:05,379 I went to school with some people that lived in the area, 163 00:10:05,482 --> 00:10:09,275 and they had told me that the people 164 00:10:09,379 --> 00:10:12,793 had found their dog, and it had been shot. 165 00:10:12,896 --> 00:10:15,965 The dog had been shot out in the woods. 166 00:10:16,068 --> 00:10:18,172 At that time, I didn't think very much of it. 167 00:10:18,275 --> 00:10:19,793 People in Augusta, 168 00:10:19,896 --> 00:10:22,379 we -- they -- everybody was big hunters. 169 00:10:22,482 --> 00:10:27,275 I didn't put John with this until later on. 170 00:10:27,379 --> 00:10:30,241 I would not have thought John had done that. 171 00:10:31,448 --> 00:10:34,310 Maybe I didn't want to believe. 172 00:10:42,241 --> 00:10:46,034 After John graduated high school, he went into the Navy. 173 00:10:46,137 --> 00:10:49,517 He was over in Japan for two years. 174 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:54,655 After John returned home, 175 00:10:54,758 --> 00:10:58,344 John told me all kinds of stories of things that happened 176 00:10:58,448 --> 00:10:59,724 where he was stationed. 177 00:11:01,586 --> 00:11:07,344 He told us a story about how he met this woman at a bar. 178 00:11:08,482 --> 00:11:11,655 They went back to his hotel room to have sex. 179 00:11:11,758 --> 00:11:14,275 He had said that she had 180 00:11:14,379 --> 00:11:18,482 went into the restroom, and when she came out 181 00:11:18,586 --> 00:11:22,655 and walked over to John, and he turned around, 182 00:11:22,758 --> 00:11:26,275 and it ended up being a man. 183 00:11:26,379 --> 00:11:28,551 MAN: So -- so what did you do? 184 00:11:30,172 --> 00:11:33,068 John and said that he had totally 185 00:11:33,172 --> 00:11:36,620 freaked out and beat the hell out of him. 186 00:11:36,724 --> 00:11:39,344 [laughter] 187 00:11:39,448 --> 00:11:43,724 He's such a storyteller that he told it in a way 188 00:11:43,827 --> 00:11:47,620 where all the guys in the room 189 00:11:47,724 --> 00:11:49,379 found it very funny. 190 00:11:50,448 --> 00:11:52,862 I didn't really think it was that funny. 191 00:11:52,965 --> 00:11:55,068 It was always hard to tell when John was serious, 192 00:11:55,172 --> 00:11:57,206 or he was exaggerating. 193 00:11:58,344 --> 00:12:00,379 I didn't know whether to believe it or not. 194 00:12:02,103 --> 00:12:03,793 That was the first time that 195 00:12:05,931 --> 00:12:09,344 I've heard John ever admit to any type of violence. 196 00:12:12,275 --> 00:12:15,689 He was over in Japan for two years, 197 00:12:15,793 --> 00:12:18,758 so a lot of things could have happened to him. 198 00:12:20,689 --> 00:12:23,896 It makes me wonder if that's the time 199 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,551 he started having different types of sexual desires. 200 00:12:40,896 --> 00:12:43,620 John got together with one of my friends from high school. 201 00:12:45,137 --> 00:12:47,724 She got pregnant, and... 202 00:12:49,034 --> 00:12:52,137 they got married -- his life was good. 203 00:12:52,241 --> 00:12:55,034 Their marriage seemed to be okay. 204 00:12:55,137 --> 00:12:56,655 There was problems, 205 00:12:56,758 --> 00:13:00,034 but from what I seen from the outside, 206 00:13:00,137 --> 00:13:02,517 John was -- he was a doting husband. 207 00:13:02,620 --> 00:13:05,620 MAN ON TV: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen... 208 00:13:05,724 --> 00:13:07,103 CHRISTINA: One day, I remember sitting in 209 00:13:07,206 --> 00:13:09,896 my apartment, just watching the news. 210 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,793 I remember hearing John's name on the news. 211 00:13:16,448 --> 00:13:18,172 It said that 212 00:13:18,275 --> 00:13:20,448 John White had been 213 00:13:20,551 --> 00:13:22,965 arrested for 214 00:13:23,068 --> 00:13:25,551 stabbing Theresa Morris 215 00:13:25,655 --> 00:13:27,137 numerous times. 216 00:13:28,758 --> 00:13:30,344 She survived the attack. 217 00:13:32,379 --> 00:13:35,689 I immediately just... 218 00:13:35,793 --> 00:13:36,724 freaked out, 219 00:13:36,827 --> 00:13:39,517 I guess, is the best words to say, I -- 220 00:13:39,620 --> 00:13:41,965 I couldn't believe it. 221 00:13:42,068 --> 00:13:43,862 [phone ringing] 222 00:13:43,965 --> 00:13:45,551 John's wife called me on the phone. 223 00:13:45,655 --> 00:13:46,793 [phone ringing] 224 00:13:46,896 --> 00:13:51,344 She told me that John and Theresa were downstairs 225 00:13:51,448 --> 00:13:53,724 smoking pot, and... 226 00:13:54,965 --> 00:13:57,827 next thing she knew, that John had -- was running up 227 00:13:57,931 --> 00:13:59,344 the stairs, 228 00:13:59,448 --> 00:14:01,586 screaming that he had killed her, 229 00:14:02,931 --> 00:14:06,793 he had killed her, and to call the police. 230 00:14:06,896 --> 00:14:09,275 I just needed to go see John. 231 00:14:21,689 --> 00:14:23,965 When I seen John for the first time, 232 00:14:25,482 --> 00:14:27,344 he had had cuts 233 00:14:28,689 --> 00:14:31,137 on his hands by his thumbs. 234 00:14:33,896 --> 00:14:36,379 I asked him how he got those cuts on him, 235 00:14:36,482 --> 00:14:39,482 and I remember him saying because she came at him with 236 00:14:39,586 --> 00:14:41,862 a knife. -She tried to attack me. 237 00:14:41,965 --> 00:14:43,965 CHRISTINA: They were doing drugs, 238 00:14:44,068 --> 00:14:46,275 and then Theresa 239 00:14:46,379 --> 00:14:48,758 turned on him and came at him with a knife, 240 00:14:48,862 --> 00:14:51,413 because she wanted his drugs. 241 00:14:51,517 --> 00:14:53,379 The way the cuts were on his hands, 242 00:14:53,482 --> 00:14:56,517 it was like he was trying to stop somebody from 243 00:14:56,620 --> 00:14:57,620 stabbing him. 244 00:14:59,448 --> 00:15:03,413 John had said that he had blacked out, 245 00:15:03,517 --> 00:15:06,689 and when he woke up, she was laying on the floor, bleeding. 246 00:15:08,793 --> 00:15:10,413 I can't see any logic in it, 247 00:15:10,517 --> 00:15:15,379 so I don't understand why or how he could possibly do that 248 00:15:16,827 --> 00:15:19,034 and why he would do it on purpose. 249 00:15:19,137 --> 00:15:22,275 I didn't believe that John had done this intentionally. 250 00:15:29,586 --> 00:15:32,586 According to Theresa's testimony, 251 00:15:32,689 --> 00:15:34,241 his whole demeanor changed. 252 00:15:35,896 --> 00:15:39,758 I remember her saying that it was like he was not there. 253 00:15:40,965 --> 00:15:43,689 His eyes were, like, black, 254 00:15:43,793 --> 00:15:47,275 and then that's when she got scared. 255 00:15:47,379 --> 00:15:51,034 Looking back now, I believe that Theresa told the truth. 256 00:15:52,896 --> 00:15:54,482 There's just got to be more to that story, 257 00:15:54,586 --> 00:15:59,103 because you just don't go downstairs to stab somebody. 258 00:15:59,206 --> 00:16:03,379 That would make him the sick person, evil person that he was. 259 00:16:04,620 --> 00:16:06,896 My dad and the lawyer decided to go for 260 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,379 a temporary insanity plea. 261 00:16:09,482 --> 00:16:12,482 John only served two years for his crime 262 00:16:12,586 --> 00:16:14,896 in prison and got out on good behavior. 263 00:16:16,103 --> 00:16:18,310 With John, there was always a reason why 264 00:16:18,413 --> 00:16:21,206 it happened, and it was never his fault. 265 00:16:21,310 --> 00:16:23,000 He wasn't the one to start things. 266 00:16:23,103 --> 00:16:25,413 He wasn't remorseful about it. 267 00:16:25,517 --> 00:16:28,000 I never heard him say that he was sorry 268 00:16:28,103 --> 00:16:29,482 for what had happened. 269 00:16:30,931 --> 00:16:32,689 I look back on it now, and John should've... 270 00:16:34,172 --> 00:16:35,137 never gotten out. 271 00:16:37,275 --> 00:16:39,862 Two women might be still alive 272 00:16:39,965 --> 00:16:41,862 if they wouldn't have let him out. 273 00:16:48,827 --> 00:16:52,793 When he was in prison for stabbing Theresa, 274 00:16:52,896 --> 00:16:57,275 he had written a book about his life. 275 00:16:58,413 --> 00:17:01,241 John sent me a copy of his book. 276 00:17:03,482 --> 00:17:05,241 Some of the things that he wrote 277 00:17:05,344 --> 00:17:07,619 in the book caught me off guard. 278 00:17:07,723 --> 00:17:09,655 In that book, 279 00:17:09,758 --> 00:17:12,862 he speaks about our paper routes. 280 00:17:12,964 --> 00:17:16,931 I got to the part where he had talked about shooting 281 00:17:18,241 --> 00:17:21,000 a dog because it had attacked me. 282 00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:26,034 I was shocked. 283 00:17:26,137 --> 00:17:28,827 I didn't expect that at all. 284 00:17:28,931 --> 00:17:31,034 He kind of explained how he got 285 00:17:31,137 --> 00:17:34,517 down on his belly and had his shotgun 286 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:36,448 and had 287 00:17:36,551 --> 00:17:40,103 waited for that dog to come out in the backfield, 288 00:17:40,206 --> 00:17:42,482 and -- and he shot him, 289 00:17:45,793 --> 00:17:49,137 because the dog had bitten me, 290 00:17:49,241 --> 00:17:51,172 hurt me, scared me to death. 291 00:17:54,517 --> 00:17:56,586 Didn't have a clue at any point time. 292 00:17:56,689 --> 00:17:58,586 He never mentioned it. 293 00:17:58,689 --> 00:17:59,724 He never came back to me 294 00:17:59,827 --> 00:18:01,862 and said, "That dog will never bother you again." 295 00:18:03,068 --> 00:18:05,068 I definitely got a sense of 296 00:18:05,172 --> 00:18:07,965 he did it because the dog hurt me. 297 00:18:11,862 --> 00:18:14,689 I felt that John's sense of right and wrong 298 00:18:14,793 --> 00:18:17,655 were definitely off, 299 00:18:17,758 --> 00:18:21,000 but I obviously didn't know everything about my brother. 300 00:18:38,137 --> 00:18:41,448 So this is a picture of John 301 00:18:41,551 --> 00:18:44,137 and his big truck that he drove. 302 00:18:44,241 --> 00:18:45,896 He was very proud of that truck. 303 00:18:48,517 --> 00:18:50,413 Back then, I thought it was very cool 304 00:18:50,517 --> 00:18:53,172 that he was an over-the-road trucker -- I thought... 305 00:18:54,517 --> 00:18:58,724 How cool would that be, just to go and just 306 00:18:58,827 --> 00:19:00,655 cruise around the United States? 307 00:19:01,965 --> 00:19:03,379 He used to tell me about all 308 00:19:03,482 --> 00:19:07,241 the great things he's seen and been through and... 309 00:19:08,482 --> 00:19:13,241 and then he also talked about prostitutes in the truck stops. 310 00:19:14,379 --> 00:19:15,965 He called them lot lizards. 311 00:19:18,172 --> 00:19:20,137 They would come up and talk to 312 00:19:20,241 --> 00:19:22,758 all the truckers and talk to him. 313 00:19:22,862 --> 00:19:25,103 He never said anything about having sex with them. 314 00:19:29,551 --> 00:19:30,931 But according to his friends, 315 00:19:31,034 --> 00:19:34,310 he told them that he had taken 316 00:19:34,413 --> 00:19:37,000 prostitutes into his truck, and... 317 00:19:38,551 --> 00:19:41,724 after they had sex, he dumped 'em in the dumpster. 318 00:19:45,448 --> 00:19:50,034 He did not actually say that he had ever killed any of them. 319 00:19:50,137 --> 00:19:51,724 Just when he was done, 320 00:19:51,827 --> 00:19:54,068 he referenced throwing them into the dumpster. 321 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,793 I thought for sure when I first heard it 322 00:19:57,896 --> 00:20:00,379 that his friends were just making things up 323 00:20:01,517 --> 00:20:03,793 or John was again telling one of his stories. 324 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,517 What if he had a prostitute in this truck? 325 00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:12,103 What if he killed somebody in this truck 326 00:20:12,206 --> 00:20:15,000 and dumped her in a dumpster? 327 00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:24,068 Seeing where things went to, 328 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,034 maybe he did. 329 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,379 I think the life that John led on the road was his evil side, 330 00:20:38,482 --> 00:20:42,241 his evil life, his other side. 331 00:20:44,379 --> 00:20:45,965 Later on down the road, 332 00:20:46,068 --> 00:20:50,068 I was into watching crime shows, and there was 333 00:20:50,172 --> 00:20:52,551 a particular one where there was prostitutes 334 00:20:52,655 --> 00:20:56,379 that were missing on this one stretch of highway. 335 00:20:56,482 --> 00:21:01,275 So I do wonder if John was involved in any of that. 336 00:21:02,413 --> 00:21:05,206 I didn't think much about it at the time. 337 00:21:05,310 --> 00:21:08,965 I didn't think about it much until... 338 00:21:09,068 --> 00:21:10,413 Vicky. 339 00:21:19,620 --> 00:21:23,689 About this time, him and his wife were not getting along. 340 00:21:24,896 --> 00:21:26,172 They were having problems. 341 00:21:27,310 --> 00:21:32,655 He took a job at a laundry place that did linens 342 00:21:32,758 --> 00:21:34,620 for hospitals and such, 343 00:21:34,724 --> 00:21:38,758 and this is where he met Vicky Sue Wall. 344 00:21:40,586 --> 00:21:43,965 He told me that he had fallen in love with her. 345 00:21:44,068 --> 00:21:45,172 He had an affair. 346 00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:52,000 He also told me that he would meet Vicky in the parking lot, 347 00:21:52,103 --> 00:21:55,655 and she would get in his truck, and they would go and have sex. 348 00:21:55,758 --> 00:21:57,103 I think I'm in love. 349 00:21:57,206 --> 00:21:58,275 I don't want to hear about this. 350 00:21:58,379 --> 00:22:01,000 I told him he needed to come clean with his wife. 351 00:22:02,137 --> 00:22:03,103 That's enough. 352 00:22:05,241 --> 00:22:07,482 But John didn't want to tell his wife. 353 00:22:12,413 --> 00:22:16,724 In July of 1994, we had a call from 354 00:22:16,827 --> 00:22:21,413 John's wife, about 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning. 355 00:22:21,517 --> 00:22:24,068 His wife had said that he had hurt someone, 356 00:22:24,172 --> 00:22:26,896 and he was going to end his life. 357 00:22:28,517 --> 00:22:30,896 I was totally freaked out. 358 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,310 I remember going and getting in 359 00:22:32,413 --> 00:22:34,413 the car and going to look for John. 360 00:22:34,517 --> 00:22:38,517 There was something very strange going on. 361 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:43,275 And at that time, there was a report of 362 00:22:43,379 --> 00:22:45,862 Vicky Sue Wall had been missing. 363 00:22:47,586 --> 00:22:51,655 So we were putting two and two together 364 00:22:51,758 --> 00:22:54,310 and was wondering 365 00:22:54,413 --> 00:22:57,241 if John had anything to do with that. 366 00:23:06,241 --> 00:23:08,689 CHRISTINA: The police went out there, and they found John. 367 00:23:09,862 --> 00:23:11,275 So there turns out that there was 368 00:23:11,379 --> 00:23:15,172 a surveillance tape, and it showed John 369 00:23:15,275 --> 00:23:18,241 pulling up to Vicky's car. 370 00:23:20,379 --> 00:23:24,758 And she got out and got in the truck, and they drove away. 371 00:23:26,275 --> 00:23:29,241 The tape never showed John coming back 372 00:23:29,344 --> 00:23:30,827 and dropping her off. 373 00:23:33,068 --> 00:23:34,482 When they found her, 374 00:23:34,586 --> 00:23:38,586 they identified her with dental records, because it 375 00:23:38,689 --> 00:23:41,965 was so hot that the body had decomposed. 376 00:23:44,448 --> 00:23:47,620 John was arrested for Vicky Sue Wall's murder. 377 00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:57,448 I went to visit John in prison 378 00:23:57,551 --> 00:23:59,448 to get his side of the story. 379 00:23:59,551 --> 00:24:04,206 He told me that Vicky was into 380 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:05,896 strangulation 381 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,793 and rough sex. 382 00:24:10,413 --> 00:24:13,137 He would pick up Vicky in the parking lot 383 00:24:13,241 --> 00:24:15,206 of a department store, 384 00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:18,862 and they would go out back, and they would have sex, 385 00:24:18,965 --> 00:24:21,758 and after they were done, 386 00:24:21,862 --> 00:24:24,137 she had slumped over in the seat. 387 00:24:27,862 --> 00:24:32,275 And when he tried to move her, 388 00:24:32,379 --> 00:24:36,551 there was no response, and that he was very scared. 389 00:24:36,655 --> 00:24:37,965 He didn't know what to do. 390 00:24:39,793 --> 00:24:42,689 After John dumped the body in the woods, 391 00:24:42,793 --> 00:24:47,275 then he had went home and confessed to his wife 392 00:24:47,379 --> 00:24:48,862 about his affair. 393 00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:51,103 He also told her what he had done. 394 00:24:53,551 --> 00:24:56,931 My response was, "Why didn't you take her to the hospital?" 395 00:24:58,448 --> 00:25:01,068 And his response was, he was too scared. 396 00:25:03,827 --> 00:25:07,482 I do remember thinking, another story. 397 00:25:07,586 --> 00:25:08,896 Here's another story. 398 00:25:11,413 --> 00:25:13,689 He's making excuses. 399 00:25:14,931 --> 00:25:17,689 Because people just don't fall over dead. 400 00:25:19,137 --> 00:25:22,655 I tried to talk myself into believing it was an accident. 401 00:25:24,275 --> 00:25:26,103 But in the back of my mind, 402 00:25:26,206 --> 00:25:30,275 I didn't know whether it was or wasn't -- looking back, 403 00:25:30,379 --> 00:25:33,793 I wonder if John's story is even true. 404 00:25:33,896 --> 00:25:37,482 It's so far out there, it's just unbelievable. 405 00:25:37,586 --> 00:25:38,862 He could have just killed her. 406 00:25:40,862 --> 00:25:42,965 And then in May of 407 00:25:44,551 --> 00:25:46,275 '95, 408 00:25:46,379 --> 00:25:48,137 John was convicted of... 409 00:25:49,689 --> 00:25:52,448 murder and sentenced to 12 years in prison. 410 00:26:03,620 --> 00:26:07,068 While John was in prison, his wife divorced him. 411 00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:10,379 He became a minister 412 00:26:11,724 --> 00:26:15,896 and had told me that he had given himself to Christ. 413 00:26:17,103 --> 00:26:19,896 He assured me that his past was behind him. 414 00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:23,413 I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. 415 00:26:23,517 --> 00:26:25,068 I'm just that way. 416 00:26:26,413 --> 00:26:29,586 So if he said he was changed, and that's 417 00:26:29,689 --> 00:26:31,965 what he wanted to do was go to Christ, 418 00:26:33,965 --> 00:26:36,275 who was I to say he didn't? 419 00:26:36,379 --> 00:26:38,689 John came to live with us, 420 00:26:38,793 --> 00:26:44,862 and he tried to find multiple churches to minister, 421 00:26:46,172 --> 00:26:47,862 but because of his background, 422 00:26:47,965 --> 00:26:49,448 he didn't have any luck with that. 423 00:26:51,206 --> 00:26:55,379 I remember him dating online, and that's when he met Sally. 424 00:26:55,482 --> 00:26:59,482 She was a very, very nice lady -- 425 00:26:59,586 --> 00:27:02,241 funny, fun to talk to. 426 00:27:02,344 --> 00:27:04,724 She told me that she absolutely adored him 427 00:27:04,827 --> 00:27:06,206 and loved him, 428 00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:11,413 and I was pretty happy about that, because John loved her. 429 00:27:11,517 --> 00:27:14,000 I asked him, I said, 430 00:27:14,103 --> 00:27:16,344 "Does Sally know about your past?" 431 00:27:16,448 --> 00:27:18,896 And he said yes. 432 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,206 Then I went to Sally 433 00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:24,793 and asked Sally if she knew of John's past. 434 00:27:24,896 --> 00:27:27,379 He gave you all the gory details? 435 00:27:28,724 --> 00:27:32,206 And she said yes -- I did wonder 436 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:33,689 what she really did know. 437 00:27:36,965 --> 00:27:40,655 There was an opening for a minister 438 00:27:40,758 --> 00:27:42,344 at her church. 439 00:27:43,586 --> 00:27:47,172 The church took him in, they welcomed him in. 440 00:27:47,275 --> 00:27:49,034 He decided to move up there. 441 00:27:50,655 --> 00:27:53,448 And John was very happy. 442 00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:06,965 As time went on, John and Sally became engaged. 443 00:28:07,068 --> 00:28:11,620 Sally had a daughter of her own, and her name was Rebekah. 444 00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:14,896 She was a very beautiful girl. 445 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,896 She was funny. She was nice. 446 00:28:20,413 --> 00:28:23,310 John was excited about Rebekah becoming his stepdaughter. 447 00:28:23,413 --> 00:28:25,068 They were growing close. 448 00:28:26,413 --> 00:28:30,000 John moved into a trailer park, 449 00:28:30,103 --> 00:28:32,586 and Rebekah lived in the same trailer park. 450 00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:37,620 Rebekah had a young son, and John talked 451 00:28:37,724 --> 00:28:41,482 very highly of him and doing things with him. 452 00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:43,275 With John and Rebekah, 453 00:28:43,379 --> 00:28:45,827 the relationship that they formed was 454 00:28:45,931 --> 00:28:49,862 a father-daughter relationship. 455 00:28:50,965 --> 00:28:53,586 John was sick. 456 00:28:53,689 --> 00:28:57,965 He came down with a really bad cold, and since Rebekah lived in 457 00:28:58,068 --> 00:29:01,137 the same trailer park, she would take him 458 00:29:01,241 --> 00:29:03,931 soup, check on him, 459 00:29:04,034 --> 00:29:06,034 bring pizza over. 460 00:29:06,137 --> 00:29:09,241 And on the other hand, when Rebekah 461 00:29:09,344 --> 00:29:11,137 would have to go to work, 462 00:29:11,241 --> 00:29:14,620 John would come and take her son, 463 00:29:14,724 --> 00:29:17,000 take him to daycare, whatever 464 00:29:17,103 --> 00:29:19,517 she asked him to do. 465 00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:21,793 They kind of just helped each other out. 466 00:29:24,413 --> 00:29:27,689 But there was a time that John had called me 467 00:29:29,103 --> 00:29:31,172 and seemed to be a little bit upset. 468 00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:35,413 Rebekah had 469 00:29:35,517 --> 00:29:40,103 promised to have pizza and movie night, 470 00:29:40,206 --> 00:29:43,793 and she had backed out on John. 471 00:29:43,896 --> 00:29:46,206 She's got some damn nerve! 472 00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:48,620 CHRISTINA: Rebekah stood John up that night 473 00:29:48,724 --> 00:29:53,896 to get together with her baby's father. 474 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,137 I believe that they were going to try to make amends. 475 00:29:59,275 --> 00:30:02,896 He was like, "I can't believe she did that. 476 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,172 "After all I've done for her. I have done so much for her. 477 00:30:06,275 --> 00:30:08,758 I can't believe that she would stand me up like that." 478 00:30:09,965 --> 00:30:11,655 And he would repeat himself. 479 00:30:13,379 --> 00:30:18,172 John was going on and on about it, and I just thought that 480 00:30:18,275 --> 00:30:21,482 it was a little bit ridiculous to be going on that much 481 00:30:21,586 --> 00:30:23,310 about it. -I got to go. 482 00:30:25,931 --> 00:30:27,241 After John and I hung up the phone, 483 00:30:27,344 --> 00:30:29,310 I really didn't think too much of it. 484 00:30:31,241 --> 00:30:33,206 In hindsight, I think that... 485 00:30:34,448 --> 00:30:37,620 he was becoming obsessed with her at that point. 486 00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:41,344 As I look back, 487 00:30:41,448 --> 00:30:46,206 Obviously, John had sinister thoughts about his stepdaughter. 488 00:30:47,448 --> 00:30:49,034 On October 30th, 489 00:30:49,137 --> 00:30:52,448 I received a phone call from John, 490 00:30:52,551 --> 00:30:57,379 and he told me that Rebekah was missing. 491 00:31:04,896 --> 00:31:07,965 John had told me that he was supposed to pick up 492 00:31:08,068 --> 00:31:13,068 her son and take him to a Halloween party, 493 00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:15,586 but when he went to pick him up, 494 00:31:15,689 --> 00:31:17,655 Rebekah was nowhere to be found. 495 00:31:19,586 --> 00:31:21,379 [sighs heavily] 496 00:31:22,689 --> 00:31:24,068 John told me that he had called 497 00:31:24,172 --> 00:31:27,137 the police, and everybody was out searching for her. 498 00:31:28,586 --> 00:31:32,827 I had just that little bit of hope that 499 00:31:33,931 --> 00:31:36,724 maybe she was with her other friends. 500 00:31:38,034 --> 00:31:40,034 I wanted that so bad, 501 00:31:40,137 --> 00:31:42,655 so bad -- mothers just don't 502 00:31:42,758 --> 00:31:46,241 leave their small children by themselves. 503 00:31:46,344 --> 00:31:49,551 I felt that something was wrong there, 504 00:31:49,655 --> 00:31:51,551 that John had done something. 505 00:31:51,655 --> 00:31:54,931 I just got a horrible, sinking feeling. 506 00:32:03,137 --> 00:32:04,620 [phone ringing] 507 00:32:04,724 --> 00:32:06,620 A day or so after I had that conversation with John, 508 00:32:06,724 --> 00:32:09,689 I received a call from Sally. 509 00:32:09,793 --> 00:32:11,793 [phone ringing] 510 00:32:11,896 --> 00:32:13,482 She seemed very upset. 511 00:32:13,586 --> 00:32:15,931 She had told me that 512 00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:19,896 they had found Rebekah, and that she had been murdered. 513 00:32:22,793 --> 00:32:26,206 She also told me that John 514 00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:29,413 had called her from the police station. 515 00:32:29,517 --> 00:32:30,793 He told her that he loved her, 516 00:32:33,103 --> 00:32:36,241 and that he was the one that murdered Rebekah. 517 00:32:39,379 --> 00:32:41,862 And we just cried. 518 00:32:46,896 --> 00:32:49,068 It makes me angry at John. It makes me hate him. 519 00:32:49,172 --> 00:32:51,482 [sniffles] 520 00:32:51,586 --> 00:32:54,655 Makes me feel horrible for what Rebekah went through. 521 00:32:59,379 --> 00:33:00,931 That right there breaks my heart. 522 00:33:11,034 --> 00:33:12,931 REPORTER: The crime scene tape at Rebekah Gay's 523 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,310 mobile home was already there with the other 524 00:33:15,413 --> 00:33:17,103 Halloween decorations. 525 00:33:17,206 --> 00:33:19,000 At an afternoon press conference, police 526 00:33:19,103 --> 00:33:20,896 detailed John White's confession. 527 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,310 First, they say, early Halloween morning, 528 00:33:23,413 --> 00:33:25,000 White went through an unlocked door 529 00:33:25,103 --> 00:33:27,517 at Gay's home and saw her in the hallway. 530 00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:30,724 He told police he wanted to act out a fantasy of killing 531 00:33:30,827 --> 00:33:33,689 a woman and having sex with her dead body. 532 00:33:33,793 --> 00:33:36,517 -Uh, the suspect... -No, no. 533 00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:38,862 Can't do that. I can't do that. 534 00:33:40,758 --> 00:33:42,862 Nope. Nope, nope, nope. 535 00:33:50,482 --> 00:33:53,655 I know what he did to Rebekah, I know, 536 00:33:55,275 --> 00:33:56,448 and I don't want to watch it. 537 00:34:01,689 --> 00:34:02,724 I don't. 538 00:34:04,517 --> 00:34:05,620 Sorry, I don't. 539 00:34:07,827 --> 00:34:09,103 I know what he did. 540 00:34:10,551 --> 00:34:14,310 He walked into her trailer and hit her on the head with 541 00:34:14,413 --> 00:34:16,688 a mallet, and he had sex with her dead body, 542 00:34:16,793 --> 00:34:18,516 and he threw it in the ditch. 543 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:21,688 And yeah, I've been there. 544 00:34:25,413 --> 00:34:27,068 It's not a good place for me. 545 00:34:35,896 --> 00:34:37,068 I'm sorry. 546 00:34:39,206 --> 00:34:40,379 What he did to her 547 00:34:42,793 --> 00:34:44,275 is unforgivable. 548 00:34:49,793 --> 00:34:51,862 When I turned on the news, I saw John... 549 00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:57,758 confessing... 550 00:35:00,379 --> 00:35:01,827 to the murder of Rebekah. 551 00:35:06,448 --> 00:35:09,137 I remember feeling anger, 552 00:35:09,241 --> 00:35:10,517 being appalled. 553 00:36:15,344 --> 00:36:18,620 I just couldn't believe it. I was shocked. 554 00:36:22,758 --> 00:36:25,965 Everybody was shocked. It's evil that does that. 555 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,896 John was convicted of murder 556 00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:42,482 and 56 years in prison. 557 00:36:43,724 --> 00:36:45,379 He deserved a lot more than that. 558 00:36:47,586 --> 00:36:49,000 He deserved... 559 00:36:54,689 --> 00:36:56,000 he deserved to die. 560 00:37:04,517 --> 00:37:08,206 When I look at this picture, I see John White, 561 00:37:10,827 --> 00:37:11,827 a serial killer. 562 00:37:13,034 --> 00:37:14,000 This isn't my brother. 563 00:37:16,448 --> 00:37:19,517 I always gave him the benefit of the doubt. 564 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:21,000 I couldn't imagine 565 00:37:22,241 --> 00:37:23,931 the things that he had done. 566 00:37:27,448 --> 00:37:29,206 For me to talk about John, 567 00:37:33,827 --> 00:37:37,206 and to talk about what he has done, 568 00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:39,379 was a sort of a weight off my shoulders. 569 00:37:43,206 --> 00:37:44,586 But the picture of Rebekah... 570 00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:50,551 [voice breaking] it hurts my heart. 571 00:37:52,586 --> 00:37:55,655 it breaks... 572 00:37:55,758 --> 00:37:57,413 my heart. 573 00:38:13,655 --> 00:38:16,793 [normally] This is the letter that I received after John 574 00:38:16,896 --> 00:38:20,724 was in jail for the murder of Rebekah. 575 00:38:22,241 --> 00:38:26,206 "Dear Chrissy, I want to tell you how much I miss you. 576 00:38:27,344 --> 00:38:28,827 "I love you dearly, Chrissy, 577 00:38:30,758 --> 00:38:33,103 "and I do understand how pissed off 578 00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:36,758 "at me you must be. 579 00:38:36,862 --> 00:38:40,482 "I know what a disappointment I am to so many people, 580 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,275 and I'm so sorry." 581 00:38:49,103 --> 00:38:50,827 That's the first time I've heard John 582 00:38:50,931 --> 00:38:53,586 ever say that, and I don't believe it. 583 00:38:55,413 --> 00:38:57,586 I feel that he's sorry that he got caught, 584 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,379 not that he's truly sorry. 585 00:39:02,482 --> 00:39:05,379 "I'm hoping someday we can talk, 586 00:39:05,482 --> 00:39:07,862 maybe tell you what really happened." 587 00:39:09,862 --> 00:39:12,793 He's just telling another story, 588 00:39:12,896 --> 00:39:15,137 and he wants to talk to me, because he wants to try to get 589 00:39:15,241 --> 00:39:17,344 me to believe that what he did, 590 00:39:17,448 --> 00:39:18,931 there was a reason for it. 591 00:39:21,344 --> 00:39:25,931 But there was not a story, he could tell me to... 592 00:39:27,137 --> 00:39:29,724 make it sound, like it was somebody else's fault. 593 00:39:30,862 --> 00:39:33,310 But I never answered. I didn't want to answer. 594 00:39:42,724 --> 00:39:44,103 John called me 595 00:39:46,655 --> 00:39:49,000 every day, sometimes twice a day. 596 00:39:50,620 --> 00:39:52,586 But I never accepted any of the calls. 597 00:39:54,896 --> 00:39:58,103 Nobody was in John's corner anymore. 598 00:39:58,206 --> 00:40:00,206 I was there for him. 599 00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:02,896 He was family, I backed him, 600 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,724 I believed in him. 601 00:40:04,827 --> 00:40:08,172 I had to admit that I was wrong to myself 602 00:40:09,931 --> 00:40:15,586 and realize that there was a dark, evil side to John 603 00:40:17,793 --> 00:40:18,896 that I see now 604 00:40:21,758 --> 00:40:23,344 versus I couldn't see then. 605 00:40:24,482 --> 00:40:27,965 Telling my story has been emotionally exhausting, 606 00:40:28,068 --> 00:40:30,862 but it's also -- it's also a relief. 607 00:40:32,379 --> 00:40:35,862 This whole experience has helped me 608 00:40:37,275 --> 00:40:39,448 more than what you realize, because... 609 00:40:41,758 --> 00:40:42,862 I can talk about him 610 00:40:45,172 --> 00:40:47,758 versus just keeping it all in. 611 00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:50,172 He very much betrayed me 612 00:40:50,275 --> 00:40:51,241 and his family. 613 00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:06,103 I just knew what it was. 614 00:41:06,206 --> 00:41:09,793 I just knew before I even picked up that phone 615 00:41:09,896 --> 00:41:11,413 or answered. 616 00:41:11,517 --> 00:41:14,275 The officer proceeded to tell me that John had 617 00:41:15,793 --> 00:41:18,482 committed suicide -- he had 618 00:41:20,896 --> 00:41:22,000 hung himself. 619 00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:27,137 The brother I knew and loved had died a long time ago. 620 00:41:28,275 --> 00:41:32,586 So I did cry for him, but I had 621 00:41:32,689 --> 00:41:34,448 oh, I don't know what the word is, 622 00:41:34,551 --> 00:41:36,068 detached myself from me. 623 00:41:36,172 --> 00:41:38,034 He was no longer 624 00:41:40,275 --> 00:41:41,241 the John I knew. 625 00:41:43,275 --> 00:41:46,103 I remember thinking that in hell 626 00:41:46,206 --> 00:41:47,344 is where he deserves to be. 627 00:41:49,965 --> 00:41:51,862 That was the only way to 628 00:41:53,379 --> 00:41:54,344 kill the evil. 629 00:41:55,965 --> 00:41:56,965 John had a... 630 00:41:58,172 --> 00:41:59,965 great life. 631 00:42:00,068 --> 00:42:03,000 He had a great childhood, but somehow, 632 00:42:04,758 --> 00:42:05,793 somewhere, 633 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,172 he let evil in.