1 00:00:04,379 --> 00:00:07,793 BOSTON: You can't pick your family members. 2 00:00:07,862 --> 00:00:09,172 I had the best mom in the world, 3 00:00:09,172 --> 00:00:12,379 but then I also had the worst dad. 4 00:00:12,379 --> 00:00:15,172 You don't want to believe that your dad's a monster. 5 00:00:15,241 --> 00:00:18,000 At the time, you're just like, okay, he's my dad. 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,586 Yeah, he's a criminal, but you realize it's worse 7 00:00:21,586 --> 00:00:24,068 than you even thought it ever could have been. 8 00:00:26,172 --> 00:00:28,517 Even now, we don't know 9 00:00:28,517 --> 00:00:30,379 the full extent of what he's done. 10 00:00:37,103 --> 00:00:38,689 This is a... 11 00:00:40,379 --> 00:00:41,965 Boston family portrait. 12 00:00:44,172 --> 00:00:47,482 My brother, me, my sister, my dad. 13 00:00:49,068 --> 00:00:51,379 My father was Silas Duane Boston. 14 00:00:51,379 --> 00:00:52,862 He went by Duane. 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,068 He was a chameleon, he was able to put on this... 16 00:00:58,413 --> 00:01:02,034 I call it a mask of charm and charisma. 17 00:01:03,482 --> 00:01:07,241 It's like a typical 1970s family picture. 18 00:01:09,482 --> 00:01:11,965 But looks can be deceiving sometimes. 19 00:01:13,103 --> 00:01:15,241 Looking at it with hindsight, I'm thinking... 20 00:01:16,517 --> 00:01:18,896 You smug son of a bitch. 21 00:01:18,896 --> 00:01:22,033 How can you smirk like that when you know what you did? 22 00:01:25,896 --> 00:01:28,896 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 23 00:01:28,896 --> 00:01:31,862 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 24 00:01:31,931 --> 00:01:33,758 [static crackling] 25 00:01:36,896 --> 00:01:39,103 -[knock at door] -[creaking] 26 00:01:39,103 --> 00:01:43,068 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 27 00:01:43,068 --> 00:01:45,723 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 28 00:01:45,723 --> 00:01:49,378 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 29 00:01:49,378 --> 00:01:52,172 [water dripping] 30 00:01:52,172 --> 00:01:54,103 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 31 00:01:54,103 --> 00:01:56,241 [sinister chord strikes] 32 00:02:03,620 --> 00:02:05,172 This is my mom. 33 00:02:05,172 --> 00:02:08,344 It says, "Love, Mary Lou, 1962." 34 00:02:09,896 --> 00:02:12,137 This probably was her senior year. 35 00:02:13,517 --> 00:02:16,586 She's got the bouffant hairdo, 36 00:02:16,655 --> 00:02:20,689 which was all the rage back in those days. 37 00:02:20,689 --> 00:02:24,275 I remember she had really brown eyes 38 00:02:24,275 --> 00:02:27,000 and, um, a beautiful face. 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,689 I remember 40 00:02:28,689 --> 00:02:32,275 she was a very loving mom and worshipped us kids. 41 00:02:32,344 --> 00:02:33,689 We were her whole world. 42 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,896 She had met my dad when she was about 17 or 18. 43 00:02:37,896 --> 00:02:39,586 I think she was still in high school. 44 00:02:40,793 --> 00:02:42,379 I'd describe my father 45 00:02:43,379 --> 00:02:46,482 as someone who's very manipulative. 46 00:02:46,551 --> 00:02:48,172 You could use the word charming, 47 00:02:48,172 --> 00:02:49,862 almost like a Ted Bundy type. 48 00:02:51,172 --> 00:02:54,172 He would put on this act, this charming act, 49 00:02:55,172 --> 00:02:57,172 and a lot of people did fall for that, 50 00:02:57,241 --> 00:03:00,344 and personally for my mom, she was one of them. 51 00:03:20,896 --> 00:03:22,965 I felt really close to my mom. 52 00:03:24,689 --> 00:03:28,379 I was probably about three or four years old 53 00:03:28,448 --> 00:03:32,241 when I have my most vivid memories about my mother. 54 00:03:33,517 --> 00:03:35,482 She was always playing music 55 00:03:35,482 --> 00:03:40,275 and cooking, baking cookies and stuff for us. 56 00:03:40,275 --> 00:03:44,724 When I was about four years old, September of 1968, 57 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:46,793 all I knew is that she was gone. 58 00:03:48,482 --> 00:03:50,586 I mean, it's weird that she would just disappear. 59 00:03:50,586 --> 00:03:51,862 She would never do that. 60 00:03:51,930 --> 00:03:54,275 She would never just leave her kids and disappear. 61 00:04:02,413 --> 00:04:07,344 This is my mom's missing persons report. 62 00:04:09,068 --> 00:04:13,344 From 1968, right after she disappeared. 63 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,447 So this was filed 64 00:04:17,896 --> 00:04:19,964 by my uncle, her little brother. 65 00:04:21,793 --> 00:04:24,724 The husband, Duane Boston, stated that he took 66 00:04:24,724 --> 00:04:26,896 the missing person to the area 67 00:04:26,896 --> 00:04:30,689 of Del Paso Boulevard and El Camino Avenue, 68 00:04:30,758 --> 00:04:34,689 approximately one and a half weeks ago, and dropped her off. 69 00:04:34,758 --> 00:04:38,551 She has not been seen or heard from since. 70 00:04:39,379 --> 00:04:42,482 My uncle stated that she could not 71 00:04:42,482 --> 00:04:46,068 stand to be away from her children for any period 72 00:04:46,137 --> 00:04:47,379 of time. 73 00:04:47,379 --> 00:04:49,275 The husband has shown very little 74 00:04:49,344 --> 00:04:51,862 concern or regard for her absence. 75 00:04:51,931 --> 00:04:54,793 The husband possessed a 22-caliber rifle 76 00:04:54,862 --> 00:04:56,620 with a scope mounted on it. 77 00:04:56,620 --> 00:04:59,620 He stated since her disappearance, 78 00:04:59,620 --> 00:05:02,862 the gun is gone, and he has not seen it since. 79 00:05:07,793 --> 00:05:11,517 My dad told me at the time that she just left. 80 00:05:11,517 --> 00:05:14,103 We would ask, constantly asked, 81 00:05:14,103 --> 00:05:17,551 "Where's mom, where -- what happened? Where is she?" 82 00:05:18,896 --> 00:05:23,275 He would change the subject or say, "I told you she ran off. 83 00:05:23,275 --> 00:05:26,137 I don't know, stop [bleep] asking me questions." 84 00:05:27,379 --> 00:05:29,275 It's like your heart has been ripped out. 85 00:05:29,275 --> 00:05:32,379 You have this void, you know, 86 00:05:32,379 --> 00:05:35,172 in your life, it's just -- it's hard to describe. 87 00:05:35,172 --> 00:05:38,103 It's a wound that never heals for your whole life, 88 00:05:38,103 --> 00:05:40,793 your mother, it's always there, 89 00:05:40,793 --> 00:05:43,275 the sense of comfort and security, and that's 90 00:05:43,275 --> 00:05:45,586 gone overnight. 91 00:05:45,655 --> 00:05:48,482 I didn't know the whole scope of everything, 92 00:05:48,482 --> 00:05:50,896 but as a four-year-old, 93 00:05:50,896 --> 00:05:54,034 I knew something was wrong and something was twisted. 94 00:06:02,517 --> 00:06:05,344 After her disappearance, I remember 95 00:06:06,310 --> 00:06:08,862 mostly being with my grandmother. 96 00:06:10,172 --> 00:06:12,379 Dad would get tired of us and... 97 00:06:12,379 --> 00:06:14,689 fling us off onto his mom, my grandmother. 98 00:06:15,620 --> 00:06:19,896 One time, the conversation was around Christmas, I think I was 99 00:06:19,896 --> 00:06:23,586 about six years old, and we're talking about Santa Claus. 100 00:06:23,586 --> 00:06:26,655 "I wonder what Santa's gonna bring this year." 101 00:06:28,172 --> 00:06:30,896 And then grandma said, "You know what, you kids, 102 00:06:30,896 --> 00:06:32,965 "I'm not gonna lie to you. 103 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,482 "There is no Santa Claus. 104 00:06:35,482 --> 00:06:38,137 "And also, I've been lying to you about your mom. 105 00:06:39,517 --> 00:06:40,965 She's never coming home." 106 00:06:42,275 --> 00:06:44,275 Your mom is dead. 107 00:06:45,379 --> 00:06:48,241 And we're like, why? "Because your dad killed her." 108 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:50,793 She told us... 109 00:06:52,689 --> 00:06:58,034 "Your dad came to me in September of '68 110 00:06:59,103 --> 00:07:01,172 "and said, 'I had to kill Mary. 111 00:07:03,620 --> 00:07:06,448 I buried her where they'll never find her in a million years.'" 112 00:07:08,482 --> 00:07:11,482 And he said, "Out of all the people that I killed, 113 00:07:11,482 --> 00:07:13,965 she's the only one I regret murdering." 114 00:07:16,310 --> 00:07:19,793 She said, "Why?" He's like, "Well, she was gonna 115 00:07:19,793 --> 00:07:22,068 divorce me, and I didn't want to lose the kids." 116 00:07:25,068 --> 00:07:29,068 She didn't like it, but she told us kids to not talk 117 00:07:29,068 --> 00:07:30,275 about it. 118 00:07:30,275 --> 00:07:33,724 You tell anybody, the authorities, 119 00:07:33,724 --> 00:07:36,620 you're gonna be orphans, you're not gonna have 120 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:39,551 a father, you already lost your mom. 121 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,793 But the -- the horrible parts of the story are still vivid. 122 00:07:47,103 --> 00:07:49,275 She did say that he 123 00:07:49,275 --> 00:07:52,241 shot my mom in the back of the head, and she was running. 124 00:07:53,103 --> 00:07:55,793 He said, "Run, bitch, run." 125 00:07:57,379 --> 00:07:59,793 And she cried. She was crying. 126 00:08:00,724 --> 00:08:03,275 "What about the kids? What about the babies, Duane? 127 00:08:03,344 --> 00:08:05,379 What about the kids?" That... 128 00:08:08,896 --> 00:08:10,586 You got me, sorry. 129 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,586 That was her last thought, not about herself, 130 00:08:15,586 --> 00:08:17,551 about us kids. 131 00:08:27,724 --> 00:08:33,655 This is my dad, circa 1968, 132 00:08:34,620 --> 00:08:36,172 time he shot my mom. 133 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,448 And he's got has 22-caliber, 134 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,586 one of his favorite rifles, 135 00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:48,344 and he was deadly accurate. 136 00:08:49,482 --> 00:08:51,586 He loved to shoot all the time. 137 00:08:51,586 --> 00:08:53,689 He was always taking my mom out to -- 138 00:08:53,758 --> 00:08:56,586 this is one of his favorite spots. 139 00:08:57,724 --> 00:08:59,482 This may have very well been the same 140 00:08:59,482 --> 00:09:02,379 rifle that he used to kill my mom. 141 00:09:02,379 --> 00:09:03,689 This is the same year. 142 00:09:05,793 --> 00:09:07,896 Could be the same rifle 143 00:09:07,896 --> 00:09:09,793 and maybe the same location. 144 00:09:10,724 --> 00:09:12,379 This might have been the very last 145 00:09:12,448 --> 00:09:15,586 thing that she saw before he killed her. 146 00:09:16,896 --> 00:09:19,379 This picture gives me the creeps. 147 00:09:19,379 --> 00:09:21,758 It disgusts me to look at that photograph. 148 00:09:24,896 --> 00:09:26,724 [woman] There might be people watching that would say, 149 00:09:26,724 --> 00:09:27,689 "I still don't understand why you 150 00:09:27,689 --> 00:09:30,068 didn't go to the police yourself." 151 00:09:30,137 --> 00:09:32,241 That's not real, that's not real life. 152 00:09:33,413 --> 00:09:36,482 We thought about the chain of events 153 00:09:36,551 --> 00:09:38,172 that would happen. 154 00:09:38,172 --> 00:09:39,862 We don't have a body, all he's gonna 155 00:09:39,931 --> 00:09:41,379 do is say, "No, she ran off. 156 00:09:41,448 --> 00:09:44,896 I told you guys back in 1968." 157 00:09:44,896 --> 00:09:46,275 Snitches, 158 00:09:46,275 --> 00:09:51,482 in his mind, don't deserve to live, and if you snitch on him, 159 00:09:51,482 --> 00:09:53,379 you're as good as dead, 160 00:09:53,379 --> 00:09:55,793 and you're a child, and you're gonna 161 00:09:55,793 --> 00:09:58,172 put that target on your back? 162 00:09:58,172 --> 00:10:00,586 You just got to suck it up. 163 00:10:00,586 --> 00:10:05,275 You know that you're dealing with a homicidal monster 164 00:10:05,275 --> 00:10:07,068 at that point. 165 00:10:07,068 --> 00:10:10,482 He's capable of killing you at the drop of a hat. 166 00:10:10,482 --> 00:10:11,965 Imagine living with 167 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,172 the person that killed your parent, and you -- 168 00:10:16,172 --> 00:10:19,034 you have to stay there until you're old enough to get out. 169 00:10:26,275 --> 00:10:31,172 VINCE: A day in the life of being Silas Duane Boston's son, 170 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:34,000 every day was different, depending on his mood. 171 00:10:34,034 --> 00:10:36,551 It was like the weather -- you never knew what to expect. 172 00:10:38,172 --> 00:10:39,344 We were just little kids, 173 00:10:39,413 --> 00:10:42,344 but he would terrorize us psychologically. 174 00:10:43,379 --> 00:10:47,000 Sometimes, I think it leaves deeper scars. 175 00:10:47,034 --> 00:10:49,068 Certain things stay with you for life. 176 00:10:52,758 --> 00:10:54,344 I remember my dad 177 00:10:55,275 --> 00:10:58,758 being really attracted to gory things. 178 00:11:01,586 --> 00:11:05,482 He was an EMT, he actually did something at that point, 179 00:11:05,551 --> 00:11:09,275 which was legitimate and helping people, 180 00:11:09,275 --> 00:11:13,379 but he kept this scrapbook when he was an EMT. 181 00:11:13,379 --> 00:11:16,862 And the coroner would take pictures, I guess. 182 00:11:16,931 --> 00:11:19,758 These old black and whites of 183 00:11:19,827 --> 00:11:22,758 people that had died in horrible ways. 184 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:28,172 And I remember particularly, this one old guy, he had hung 185 00:11:28,241 --> 00:11:29,586 himself in his backyard, 186 00:11:29,586 --> 00:11:33,275 and his eyes were bulging out, and his tongue was out. 187 00:11:33,275 --> 00:11:36,482 Look -- look here. Look at his face. 188 00:11:36,482 --> 00:11:38,103 VINCE: He enjoyed looking at stuff like that. 189 00:11:38,103 --> 00:11:39,275 Dad was really proud of 190 00:11:39,275 --> 00:11:42,379 showing these pictures like little trophies. 191 00:11:42,379 --> 00:11:45,068 He reminded me of like a kid that wants 192 00:11:45,137 --> 00:11:47,862 to show you his piggy bank and how many 193 00:11:47,862 --> 00:11:52,896 coins he's collected or maybe some bugs that he has. 194 00:11:52,896 --> 00:11:55,689 It's very fascinating to him. 195 00:11:55,689 --> 00:11:58,586 I'm just like, I don't want -- I don't want to see anymore. 196 00:11:58,586 --> 00:12:02,862 I've had enough. Thanks but no thanks. 197 00:12:02,931 --> 00:12:05,862 And he would laugh. He would say, oh, you know... 198 00:12:05,862 --> 00:12:07,551 like I was too squeamish. 199 00:12:10,931 --> 00:12:12,758 It was all part of his personality 200 00:12:12,758 --> 00:12:17,241 of really craving and being excited by 201 00:12:18,517 --> 00:12:20,862 violence and murder and death. 202 00:12:32,862 --> 00:12:35,758 He tired really quick of 203 00:12:35,758 --> 00:12:38,172 working for the man, especially since he had 204 00:12:38,172 --> 00:12:42,172 his kids, that was a constant, 205 00:12:42,172 --> 00:12:46,068 you know, monthly supply of welfare and food stamps. 206 00:12:48,379 --> 00:12:50,379 He was just like, well, why work? 207 00:12:50,379 --> 00:12:53,586 I can just get stoned and drunk and party, 208 00:12:53,586 --> 00:12:55,379 which is what I want to do, 209 00:12:55,379 --> 00:12:58,241 and he decided to supplement 210 00:12:58,310 --> 00:13:01,068 the family's income with breaking in -- 211 00:13:01,137 --> 00:13:02,586 what he calls tapping. 212 00:13:04,482 --> 00:13:05,862 I remember one time, he brought home this 213 00:13:05,862 --> 00:13:09,758 giant jar of pennies -- you know those water cooler 214 00:13:09,827 --> 00:13:13,586 jugs, heavy, filled with 215 00:13:13,655 --> 00:13:15,448 pennies and dimes and nickels. 216 00:13:17,275 --> 00:13:20,172 Do us a favor. Start counting. 217 00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:25,586 VINCE: Sorting the pennies out, it was just something that was 218 00:13:25,655 --> 00:13:27,344 expected of us kids to do. 219 00:13:28,758 --> 00:13:30,344 At the time, 220 00:13:30,413 --> 00:13:33,448 I didn't really think of it as stolen goods. 221 00:13:34,620 --> 00:13:38,896 Him and his buddy, they come in laughing and... 222 00:13:38,896 --> 00:13:42,103 bragging about how they broke into this old lady's house 223 00:13:42,103 --> 00:13:44,586 and tied her up. 224 00:13:44,586 --> 00:13:46,862 And they were wearing these rubber Halloween masks. 225 00:13:46,862 --> 00:13:49,000 [laughing] 226 00:13:51,896 --> 00:13:53,931 They thought that she was having a heart attack, 227 00:13:53,931 --> 00:13:56,862 but the way he was talking about it, they were laughing 228 00:13:56,862 --> 00:13:59,862 and didn't give a [bleep] if she lived or died. 229 00:13:59,862 --> 00:14:03,379 I guess it was a good haul for them, jewelry and whatnot. 230 00:14:03,379 --> 00:14:08,482 It was a kind of a party atmosphere to them. 231 00:14:08,482 --> 00:14:11,379 I thought, this is really horrible. 232 00:14:11,379 --> 00:14:12,931 I felt like an outsider 233 00:14:12,931 --> 00:14:15,103 that I did not want to participate 234 00:14:15,103 --> 00:14:17,275 in these certain things. 235 00:14:17,275 --> 00:14:20,896 My dad would feel like, what's wrong with you? 236 00:14:20,896 --> 00:14:22,965 You should be enjoying this. This is... 237 00:14:23,931 --> 00:14:26,000 cool fun stuff. 238 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,965 I was a disappointment in his eyes. 239 00:14:29,275 --> 00:14:32,172 He doesn't have this thing called 240 00:14:32,172 --> 00:14:35,482 compassion or guilt -- he knows it's wrong, 241 00:14:35,551 --> 00:14:36,862 but it's a game to him. 242 00:14:36,931 --> 00:14:39,482 [laughter] 243 00:14:44,586 --> 00:14:47,172 It wasn't just all black and white. 244 00:14:47,241 --> 00:14:49,758 It was -- there was some gray there, you know, and... 245 00:14:51,172 --> 00:14:54,068 it was hard -- it's hard to just hate somebody. 246 00:14:54,137 --> 00:14:56,000 He wasn't a monster all the time. 247 00:14:57,896 --> 00:14:59,758 He hates Christmas. 248 00:14:59,758 --> 00:15:01,482 He's like the original Grinch. 249 00:15:02,689 --> 00:15:05,586 He'd never buy us really Christmas presents. 250 00:15:05,586 --> 00:15:07,000 He'd just give us money and say, 251 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,586 "Yeah, go [bleep] buy whatever." 252 00:15:09,655 --> 00:15:13,758 But this one year... I'm gonna... 253 00:15:13,758 --> 00:15:15,689 it's kind of emotional for me, but... 254 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,896 He, um... He... 255 00:15:19,896 --> 00:15:23,000 Ugh. Sorry. 256 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,931 [laughs] 257 00:15:24,931 --> 00:15:27,275 I haven't thought about this in awhile. 258 00:15:27,275 --> 00:15:32,172 Hu, um...he actually bought us toys that year. 259 00:15:34,103 --> 00:15:36,862 It was -- remember those old View-Masters? 260 00:15:36,862 --> 00:15:38,344 We didn't have any 261 00:15:38,413 --> 00:15:43,000 Christmas wrapping, so he wrapped it up in a paper bag, 262 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 and, um... 263 00:15:45,034 --> 00:15:46,344 God. Sorry. 264 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000 You know, as kids, you know, you want to sneak and find 265 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,482 out what you got, and so I was like opening the bag, 266 00:15:55,482 --> 00:15:57,344 and he was mad 267 00:15:58,689 --> 00:16:02,172 that I found out what we were gonna get, and it's like... 268 00:16:02,172 --> 00:16:03,862 you're not really the Grinch. 269 00:16:03,862 --> 00:16:06,482 You really care about Christmas -- I mean, 270 00:16:06,551 --> 00:16:09,482 why would you care what we -- you know, that we were peeking? 271 00:16:10,482 --> 00:16:11,758 It's like... 272 00:16:11,758 --> 00:16:13,827 It's like what a normal dad would do, 273 00:16:15,689 --> 00:16:17,241 and, um... 274 00:16:18,862 --> 00:16:20,827 God. Sorry. 275 00:16:22,793 --> 00:16:25,586 That was one of my favorite Christmases of all time, 276 00:16:25,655 --> 00:16:28,241 because he showed a side of him 277 00:16:29,275 --> 00:16:32,275 that was human and that cared about how 278 00:16:32,275 --> 00:16:34,448 we felt as kids. 279 00:16:36,862 --> 00:16:38,344 I got to take a break. 280 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,344 Sometimes, he'll bring in a girlfriend, and things 281 00:16:55,413 --> 00:16:59,103 would mellow out for a while, because he was in charming mode, 282 00:16:59,103 --> 00:17:01,172 Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde type thing. 283 00:17:01,241 --> 00:17:04,482 So you have these waves and cycles of 284 00:17:05,931 --> 00:17:08,827 him going through these weird personality changes. 285 00:17:10,172 --> 00:17:13,344 He had a girlfriend, and she had a couple of daughters. 286 00:17:14,378 --> 00:17:16,378 They decided that they were gonna 287 00:17:16,378 --> 00:17:18,931 come live with us as a family. 288 00:17:20,896 --> 00:17:23,241 I remember dad 289 00:17:23,310 --> 00:17:26,378 had stolen a bunch of Christmas toys. 290 00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:27,931 There were, like, in the -- I think they were 291 00:17:27,931 --> 00:17:29,241 in the garage or something. 292 00:17:33,379 --> 00:17:37,862 This girlfriend at the time said, "Hey, uh... 293 00:17:37,862 --> 00:17:41,379 "just between you and me, did your dad 294 00:17:41,379 --> 00:17:44,862 steal those toys?" But she's like, 295 00:17:44,931 --> 00:17:46,965 "You can tell me -- you can -- you can trust me." 296 00:17:48,862 --> 00:17:51,758 I was like, "Yeah, he stole those toys." 297 00:17:56,517 --> 00:17:59,379 Maybe a day later, he's like you [bleep]. 298 00:17:59,379 --> 00:18:02,275 I know you lied. Tell me what you said! 299 00:18:02,275 --> 00:18:04,103 "Did you tell her this and that," you know, 300 00:18:04,103 --> 00:18:06,379 "Did you tell her I stole those toys?" 301 00:18:06,379 --> 00:18:07,827 I go, "No, no, no, no." 302 00:18:08,689 --> 00:18:11,379 And I was like, oh, my God, 303 00:18:11,379 --> 00:18:13,689 she betrayed me. 304 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,482 He grabbed me by the throat and started choking me 305 00:18:19,482 --> 00:18:22,482 and then lifted me up and smashed my head into 306 00:18:22,482 --> 00:18:24,172 the drywall. 307 00:18:25,689 --> 00:18:28,275 And I'm choking. I couldn't breathe. 308 00:18:28,275 --> 00:18:31,758 I'm turning blue, and no one's helping me. 309 00:18:31,827 --> 00:18:33,689 I'm dead. I know I'm dead. 310 00:18:35,689 --> 00:18:39,862 He was mad that I told on him about the toys. 311 00:18:39,862 --> 00:18:43,241 I was a snitch, and... 312 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:45,379 it almost got me killed by 313 00:18:45,379 --> 00:18:47,758 confiding in somebody that I trusted. 314 00:18:49,413 --> 00:18:51,758 Life lesson -- don't trust anybody. 315 00:18:51,758 --> 00:18:53,172 Keep your mouth shut. 316 00:19:02,586 --> 00:19:07,206 From my perspective, when I was younger. 317 00:19:07,896 --> 00:19:10,103 I knew something was wrong, 318 00:19:10,172 --> 00:19:13,379 but it's nothing you could really change. 319 00:19:13,379 --> 00:19:15,586 You normalize things. 320 00:19:15,586 --> 00:19:19,758 But when you get older and start to realize 321 00:19:19,758 --> 00:19:21,793 this is not normal. 322 00:19:21,793 --> 00:19:24,862 This is the opposite. It's abnormal. 323 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:37,206 Late '77, my brother and I were sharing a bedroom, and, um... 324 00:19:38,896 --> 00:19:42,103 woke up in the middle of the night and heard some really 325 00:19:42,103 --> 00:19:43,586 unsettling sounds. 326 00:19:43,586 --> 00:19:46,896 [woman crying] 327 00:19:46,896 --> 00:19:51,241 Sounded like a young girl crying and whimpering, "Duane, 328 00:19:51,241 --> 00:19:56,103 no, stop, please, Duane, no," over and over and over. 329 00:19:56,103 --> 00:19:58,655 [woman crying] 330 00:19:58,724 --> 00:20:02,586 Both of us knew better than to go in there. 331 00:20:02,586 --> 00:20:05,551 [woman screaming] 332 00:20:10,896 --> 00:20:14,931 The next morning, a friend of my dad's came out for breakfast. 333 00:20:16,793 --> 00:20:17,758 They were talking about the night 334 00:20:17,827 --> 00:20:21,758 before and the girl, and I said, 335 00:20:21,758 --> 00:20:24,586 "Hey, yeah, that's right, we heard some really weird 336 00:20:24,586 --> 00:20:27,586 "noises last night, and it sounded like a girl was crying. 337 00:20:27,586 --> 00:20:28,965 What was that all about?" 338 00:20:32,034 --> 00:20:34,965 My father is like, "I don't really remember," 339 00:20:34,965 --> 00:20:38,551 kind of playing off, like, he's blacked out or something. 340 00:20:40,965 --> 00:20:43,758 As soon as we were away from his friend, 341 00:20:43,758 --> 00:20:47,758 he's like, "Dummy up. Don't talk about what happened." 342 00:20:47,758 --> 00:20:50,344 "Dummy up" means shut up, don't talk. 343 00:20:50,344 --> 00:20:53,241 Pretend like you're deaf, dumb, and mute. 344 00:20:53,241 --> 00:20:56,344 You didn't hear anything. 345 00:20:56,344 --> 00:21:01,310 From very early on, dad had certain rules. 346 00:21:02,689 --> 00:21:05,482 You learn these lessons at an early age. 347 00:21:05,482 --> 00:21:07,379 The bad guy was the good guy. 348 00:21:07,379 --> 00:21:09,689 Cops were pigs. 349 00:21:09,689 --> 00:21:12,448 Being a criminal was cool. 350 00:21:12,517 --> 00:21:15,206 And probably the number one rule is 351 00:21:16,137 --> 00:21:18,344 there's nothing worse than a snitch, 352 00:21:18,344 --> 00:21:20,931 and he showed us that in many ways. 353 00:21:21,896 --> 00:21:23,241 Stay out of the way. 354 00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:28,034 My dad found out they were gonna press charges, 355 00:21:28,034 --> 00:21:30,586 but he decided 356 00:21:30,586 --> 00:21:34,965 that he wasn't going to stand trial for this. 357 00:21:36,137 --> 00:21:38,551 Dad said, "Hey, 358 00:21:38,620 --> 00:21:40,965 you guys want to go to Belize?" 359 00:21:40,965 --> 00:21:44,758 And we're like...uh, "Yeah, I guess." 360 00:21:44,758 --> 00:21:45,862 "Okay." 361 00:21:52,965 --> 00:21:55,758 I think I was 13 at the time. 362 00:21:56,896 --> 00:22:00,379 I pretty much figured out that we were on the run 363 00:22:00,379 --> 00:22:03,103 to get away from the court case and the trial. 364 00:22:04,586 --> 00:22:07,137 Dad decided that he was going to start what he called 365 00:22:07,137 --> 00:22:09,689 an excursion business. 366 00:22:09,689 --> 00:22:12,586 So my dad ended up meeting a English couple 367 00:22:12,586 --> 00:22:13,931 from Manchester. 368 00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:21,241 This is, uh, 369 00:22:21,310 --> 00:22:23,586 Chris and Peta -- Chris Farmer 370 00:22:23,586 --> 00:22:25,137 and Peta Frampton. 371 00:22:25,137 --> 00:22:27,103 This is before we met them, 372 00:22:27,172 --> 00:22:29,310 maybe after they started their vacation. 373 00:22:30,482 --> 00:22:31,586 He was a doctor. 374 00:22:32,689 --> 00:22:36,448 She was an attorney that had just recently graduated. 375 00:22:38,379 --> 00:22:40,034 This was, uh, 376 00:22:40,103 --> 00:22:43,379 only one leg of their journey of a world trip that 377 00:22:43,379 --> 00:22:46,482 they had started in England and made it to 378 00:22:46,482 --> 00:22:51,344 Australia and working their way through Mexico, 379 00:22:51,344 --> 00:22:53,551 and then they crossed paths 380 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:56,586 with my dad in Belize. 381 00:22:56,586 --> 00:23:01,482 We were in Belize on our newly, freshly-built sailboat. 382 00:23:01,482 --> 00:23:04,827 They decided to come on board and, um... 383 00:23:06,103 --> 00:23:08,551 hire us to take them to 384 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:11,551 down south to Roatan, Honduras. 385 00:23:12,586 --> 00:23:14,827 Unfortunately, they never got there. 386 00:23:28,482 --> 00:23:30,931 This is where we lived for several months, 387 00:23:31,896 --> 00:23:36,551 on board this fishing boat, sailboat. 388 00:23:38,482 --> 00:23:39,862 That's my brother. 389 00:23:41,793 --> 00:23:46,965 I'm the blonde kid, and this is Chris Farmer. 390 00:23:50,482 --> 00:23:54,103 This is in 1978. 391 00:23:56,241 --> 00:23:57,965 They became 392 00:23:57,965 --> 00:23:59,758 part of the crew, 393 00:23:59,827 --> 00:24:02,034 especially, um, Chris. 394 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000 He wanted to learn how to sail. 395 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,034 He was manning the boat, the tiller. 396 00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:12,586 He wanted to know how to navigate, all these things. 397 00:24:12,586 --> 00:24:15,448 He was -- he was down for everything, 398 00:24:16,586 --> 00:24:20,586 whereas Peta was a little bit more quiet 399 00:24:20,586 --> 00:24:23,689 and resigned herself to the galley and cooking 400 00:24:23,689 --> 00:24:25,931 and that sort of thing, writing letters. 401 00:24:26,896 --> 00:24:29,000 At this point, things were peaceful 402 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,482 and having a great time. 403 00:24:31,482 --> 00:24:33,965 Happy dad came back, 404 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,655 the charming dad that he could be 405 00:24:36,586 --> 00:24:38,310 to impress the new guests. 406 00:24:39,896 --> 00:24:43,103 But it wasn't long until, uh... 407 00:24:43,172 --> 00:24:45,241 the mood changed. 408 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,862 When we'd be out in long stretches sailing, 409 00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:04,103 he would drink this Jamaican rum drink. 410 00:25:04,103 --> 00:25:06,448 Then he would get abusive when he would drink. 411 00:25:07,586 --> 00:25:10,310 He had my brother pull up the anchor. 412 00:25:11,172 --> 00:25:14,137 And he went up there and clocked him 413 00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:16,310 and started beating the crap out of him. 414 00:25:20,034 --> 00:25:23,137 Chris and Peta said, "Stop! 415 00:25:23,137 --> 00:25:24,103 "That's just -- that's enough. 416 00:25:24,172 --> 00:25:26,758 He's a kid. Leave him alone." 417 00:25:26,758 --> 00:25:28,758 Get off of him! 418 00:25:28,758 --> 00:25:30,965 My dad was all drunk, and... 419 00:25:30,965 --> 00:25:34,103 "Don't you [bleep] tell me about my kids," 420 00:25:34,103 --> 00:25:36,551 and tried to take a swing at Chris. 421 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,551 So dad missed. 422 00:25:41,793 --> 00:25:43,793 He was just fuming. 423 00:25:43,793 --> 00:25:46,793 He was very humiliated, 424 00:25:46,793 --> 00:25:50,862 and that's when things really changed, I think. 425 00:25:52,482 --> 00:25:55,034 You could see it in his eyes. 426 00:25:55,103 --> 00:25:56,379 You can see the storm brewing, 427 00:25:56,379 --> 00:25:59,034 I guess -- we knew that the party was over. 428 00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:03,379 They kind of knew that he didn't want them 429 00:26:03,379 --> 00:26:04,655 on the boat anymore. 430 00:26:06,379 --> 00:26:07,758 He said something about offing them, 431 00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:10,862 he wanted to get them off, and we just thought he meant get 432 00:26:10,931 --> 00:26:12,034 them off the boat. 433 00:26:13,586 --> 00:26:15,241 In hindsight, 434 00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:18,965 it was easy to see that he'd been planning this for weeks 435 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,241 and premeditating, plotting, 436 00:26:22,241 --> 00:26:24,586 planning every single detail and setting 437 00:26:24,586 --> 00:26:27,206 up this murder far in advance. 438 00:26:35,586 --> 00:26:40,344 We're anchored off the port of Livingston, Guatemala. 439 00:26:41,586 --> 00:26:44,827 Dad had talked them into 440 00:26:46,172 --> 00:26:48,482 that's where they're going to deport. 441 00:26:48,482 --> 00:26:49,551 And we were just hoping that they 442 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:52,275 would just get off the boat and... 443 00:26:52,275 --> 00:26:55,655 and go on their world trip that they were on. 444 00:26:56,689 --> 00:27:00,758 He told Chris to go and pull up the anchor 445 00:27:00,758 --> 00:27:01,965 at the front of the boat. 446 00:27:03,482 --> 00:27:06,758 And he stealthily sneaks behind him 447 00:27:08,034 --> 00:27:10,862 and takes this baton, 448 00:27:12,586 --> 00:27:15,551 cracks him upside the head as hard as he can. 449 00:27:18,379 --> 00:27:21,344 And then he keeps hitting him over and over and over. 450 00:27:23,793 --> 00:27:28,379 Peta was in the aft galley, cooking or whatever 451 00:27:28,379 --> 00:27:31,206 she was doing back there, and she pops up.... 452 00:27:33,172 --> 00:27:35,275 He says, "Get your [bleep] back down there, 453 00:27:35,275 --> 00:27:36,758 or I'm gonna shoot you with a spear gun." 454 00:27:36,827 --> 00:27:39,551 Get the hell out of here before I kill you. 455 00:27:44,793 --> 00:27:47,344 VINCE: My brother and I, we're like, "What the [bleep]?" 456 00:27:47,413 --> 00:27:49,931 And me, I'm like, what is going on? 457 00:27:52,482 --> 00:27:55,965 Dad said, you know, "You need to pay me more money," 458 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,275 and he's like, "Okay, that's fine. 459 00:27:57,275 --> 00:27:58,655 We'll pay you. We'll pay you." 460 00:28:00,793 --> 00:28:03,000 And dad took some rope 461 00:28:04,275 --> 00:28:06,965 and tied up Chris. 462 00:28:08,482 --> 00:28:09,862 Then he went back, 463 00:28:09,931 --> 00:28:12,000 tied up Peta in the galley. 464 00:28:13,586 --> 00:28:18,000 Says, "Your job is to stay awake and watch her 465 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,758 so she doesn't escape." 466 00:28:21,655 --> 00:28:23,448 She was furious. 467 00:28:23,517 --> 00:28:25,034 She looked me in the eye and said, 468 00:28:25,034 --> 00:28:27,068 "You're gonna burn in hell." 469 00:28:29,482 --> 00:28:33,448 And I'm thinking, yeah, she's probably right. 470 00:28:35,482 --> 00:28:38,000 I said, "I wish I could let you go, but if I do, 471 00:28:38,068 --> 00:28:39,344 he's gonna kill all of us." 472 00:28:40,482 --> 00:28:43,448 I felt so... helpless at that point. 473 00:28:45,172 --> 00:28:47,344 You're in a circle of water, 474 00:28:48,275 --> 00:28:50,310 and even if you could escape, 475 00:28:51,482 --> 00:28:53,241 I didn't speak Spanish at the time. 476 00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:54,965 I don't even know if I could have 477 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,689 communicated with the authorities. 478 00:28:56,689 --> 00:28:57,965 They don't speak English. 479 00:28:59,137 --> 00:29:02,103 When you're on a small boat, 480 00:29:02,103 --> 00:29:06,275 and you know that the guy that has your life in their hands is 481 00:29:06,275 --> 00:29:08,344 a psychopath and a serial killer 482 00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:09,896 and has murdered your mom, 483 00:29:09,896 --> 00:29:11,448 has threatened to murder you, 484 00:29:12,862 --> 00:29:14,103 where are you gonna go? 485 00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:17,965 You're trapped. 486 00:29:25,379 --> 00:29:27,275 The next morning, 487 00:29:27,275 --> 00:29:29,758 I remember he untied 488 00:29:29,827 --> 00:29:31,482 Chris, because he wanted him to 489 00:29:31,482 --> 00:29:34,344 sign his -- countersign his traveler's checks. 490 00:29:36,275 --> 00:29:39,000 He was tied up, but he could still move his arms. 491 00:29:40,758 --> 00:29:43,482 He had us all convinced that 492 00:29:43,482 --> 00:29:44,758 it was just a robbery -- he was gonna 493 00:29:44,758 --> 00:29:47,103 take their traveler's checks and then let 'em go. 494 00:29:49,689 --> 00:29:52,931 That was what he kept telling us and telling them. 495 00:29:54,586 --> 00:29:57,000 And, uh... we all believed him. 496 00:30:01,689 --> 00:30:04,000 My dad got two plastic bags, 497 00:30:05,896 --> 00:30:07,586 came back, 498 00:30:07,586 --> 00:30:09,344 put one over Chris's head. 499 00:30:10,896 --> 00:30:13,551 Did the same thing to Peta. 500 00:30:15,896 --> 00:30:18,344 Dad was telling them 501 00:30:19,275 --> 00:30:20,758 that he was gonna 502 00:30:20,758 --> 00:30:25,862 take them out to this one shore and then 503 00:30:25,931 --> 00:30:30,103 tie 'em up to a tree, but he didn't steer towards the shore. 504 00:30:30,103 --> 00:30:31,965 He steered out to the deep water. 505 00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:36,241 Turns kind of inky black, 506 00:30:37,689 --> 00:30:39,551 and you can't see any land. 507 00:30:41,482 --> 00:30:45,862 He took Chris, or Peta, topside. 508 00:30:49,034 --> 00:30:53,482 He had them tied with the wrists together, 509 00:30:53,482 --> 00:30:58,103 and then their ankles were all tied together. 510 00:31:00,586 --> 00:31:02,724 He went down below decks and brought out 511 00:31:04,482 --> 00:31:08,241 the ballasts, the two big pieces of machinery. 512 00:31:08,241 --> 00:31:10,827 It was heavy weights in the bottom of the boat. 513 00:31:12,034 --> 00:31:16,482 He took another length of rope and tied it on to first Chris 514 00:31:16,482 --> 00:31:19,310 then Peta, with the weight on the other end. 515 00:31:21,793 --> 00:31:23,172 He said, "Okay. 516 00:31:24,655 --> 00:31:27,482 "We're really close now. I'm gonna toss you overboard 517 00:31:27,482 --> 00:31:28,965 and just stand right up." 518 00:31:30,965 --> 00:31:33,655 And he picked up Chris and threw him 519 00:31:33,655 --> 00:31:36,448 overboard and then threw the weight after him. 520 00:31:36,517 --> 00:31:39,586 Went back and threw Peta over 521 00:31:39,586 --> 00:31:42,965 and threw the weight overboard. 522 00:31:47,862 --> 00:31:50,172 I remember watching the bubbles 523 00:31:51,379 --> 00:31:53,206 when they were going down. 524 00:31:54,896 --> 00:31:59,000 I'm just like, what the [bleep] just happened? 525 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,034 What is going on? 526 00:32:01,034 --> 00:32:03,344 I remember my knees were just shaking. 527 00:32:05,137 --> 00:32:09,344 After that, aside from the wind, it was dead silence. 528 00:32:09,413 --> 00:32:11,827 No one said anything until about 529 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,310 two or three minutes later. 530 00:32:16,379 --> 00:32:19,586 My dad looked at his digital watch and said, "Okay, 531 00:32:19,586 --> 00:32:21,275 they're dead now." 532 00:32:21,275 --> 00:32:23,103 And then he said, um... 533 00:32:23,793 --> 00:32:26,275 You know I had to do that. 534 00:32:26,275 --> 00:32:27,862 They left me no choice. 535 00:32:30,965 --> 00:32:32,172 Of course he had a choice. 536 00:32:33,275 --> 00:32:34,344 It's hard to process. 537 00:32:34,344 --> 00:32:35,965 It's like having a nightmare, and you just can't 538 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,758 wake up, and you have no control over it. 539 00:32:41,275 --> 00:32:44,241 We didn't say anything. 540 00:32:44,241 --> 00:32:45,965 I was just, like, in shock. 541 00:32:47,379 --> 00:32:51,896 With the benefit of hindsight, you have these fantasies 542 00:32:51,896 --> 00:32:55,344 and scenarios where I'm some kind of superhero. 543 00:32:56,689 --> 00:32:59,862 And I'm just a scrawny kid. What am I gonna do? 544 00:32:59,931 --> 00:33:04,103 We were trapped on board with a psychopath. 545 00:33:04,172 --> 00:33:06,034 You fear for your life at that point, you think, 546 00:33:06,034 --> 00:33:11,931 you know, okay, he really is a serial killer. 547 00:33:21,275 --> 00:33:23,586 VINCE: At that point, he needed us 548 00:33:23,586 --> 00:33:26,655 to clean up his mess, so to speak. 549 00:33:28,586 --> 00:33:32,034 He's trying to hide evidence, 550 00:33:32,034 --> 00:33:35,413 immediately shifted into cover tracks. 551 00:33:37,275 --> 00:33:38,517 He sold the boat, 552 00:33:39,689 --> 00:33:43,137 took that money, bought 553 00:33:43,137 --> 00:33:46,655 one-way tickets for all three of us from Belize City. 554 00:34:04,482 --> 00:34:06,793 After we came back from Belize, 555 00:34:06,793 --> 00:34:10,034 I wanted to distance myself as much as possible. 556 00:34:11,447 --> 00:34:15,034 I knew that even being around him was dangerous. 557 00:34:16,034 --> 00:34:20,241 At 17, with my dad's signature, I was able to... 558 00:34:21,793 --> 00:34:24,757 to join the Navy and get away. 559 00:34:25,793 --> 00:34:27,793 I stopped talking to my father. 560 00:34:27,793 --> 00:34:29,757 I wasn't under his thumb anymore. 561 00:34:30,793 --> 00:34:33,896 I was able to, for the first time, 562 00:34:33,896 --> 00:34:37,413 feel safe about reporting him, and I tried. 563 00:34:43,344 --> 00:34:45,655 So I got some quarters and went to 564 00:34:45,724 --> 00:34:50,034 the pay phone in the barracks, try to call... 565 00:34:50,034 --> 00:34:51,447 Scotland Yard. 566 00:34:53,034 --> 00:34:57,344 That was the place to call for British police. 567 00:34:57,413 --> 00:34:59,000 So I called them, and I told them 568 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,655 who I was and what I witnessed. 569 00:35:02,034 --> 00:35:04,655 Nothing -- nothing ever followed through. 570 00:35:06,448 --> 00:35:09,655 At that point, I... 571 00:35:09,724 --> 00:35:11,482 had taken Spanish in high school. 572 00:35:11,482 --> 00:35:14,000 I was able to converse 573 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,034 pretty good in Spanish, so I called 574 00:35:17,103 --> 00:35:19,310 Guatemala, because that's where they found the bodies. 575 00:35:20,896 --> 00:35:22,896 I said, "My name is Vince Boston. 576 00:35:22,896 --> 00:35:25,482 "My father is Silas Duane Boston. 577 00:35:25,482 --> 00:35:30,137 "In the year 1978, we were in Livingston, 578 00:35:30,206 --> 00:35:33,241 Guatemala, and my father killed two people on our boat." 579 00:35:35,448 --> 00:35:37,965 I couldn't get any traction 580 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,137 at all, just...dead air, just silence. 581 00:35:43,482 --> 00:35:45,344 You feel like 582 00:35:45,344 --> 00:35:49,034 didn't these people's lives mean anything? 583 00:35:50,137 --> 00:35:53,241 For years, I tried to contact anybody 584 00:35:53,241 --> 00:35:55,241 I could think of. 585 00:35:55,241 --> 00:35:58,448 This is a monster that's continuing to do this. 586 00:35:58,448 --> 00:36:00,551 He needs to be stopped, 587 00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:01,862 and no one seemed to care. 588 00:36:01,931 --> 00:36:05,655 No one stopped him, no one followed through. 589 00:36:16,586 --> 00:36:21,241 I've tried contacting Belize, Guatemala, U.K. -- 590 00:36:21,241 --> 00:36:22,655 those were all dead ends. 591 00:36:23,896 --> 00:36:26,482 Only way I could do this was starting at 592 00:36:26,482 --> 00:36:31,310 home base, my hometown, with my mother's murder / disappearance. 593 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,137 The first time I got some traction was around 2010, 2011, 594 00:36:37,137 --> 00:36:41,241 when I contacted a, at the time, Sergeant, now Lieutenant, 595 00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,793 who was in charge of homicide and missing persons 596 00:36:43,793 --> 00:36:45,965 in Sacramento Police Department. 597 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,482 He started the ball rolling. 598 00:36:48,482 --> 00:36:50,103 There were gonna reopen the case. 599 00:36:52,448 --> 00:36:55,137 Around that same time, 600 00:36:55,137 --> 00:36:57,965 in the United Kingdom, the authorities there had 601 00:36:57,965 --> 00:37:00,655 started their own what they call an inquest. 602 00:37:00,724 --> 00:37:04,758 And so they were also looking into the double homicide. 603 00:37:08,793 --> 00:37:13,137 I found out through Sacramento P.D. 604 00:37:13,137 --> 00:37:15,137 that my father 605 00:37:15,206 --> 00:37:18,241 knew or suspected that I was the one that 606 00:37:18,241 --> 00:37:22,034 was talking to the police about what he had done. 607 00:37:24,344 --> 00:37:25,965 I got word back, 608 00:37:25,965 --> 00:37:28,000 "What's wrong with Vince? 609 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,034 "Why is he saying all this stuff 610 00:37:30,103 --> 00:37:33,896 "about his mom, about these people in Belize? 611 00:37:33,896 --> 00:37:36,517 Why -- why would he even say anything like that?" 612 00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:39,965 Snitches should be killed. 613 00:37:41,344 --> 00:37:42,965 I was warned by 614 00:37:43,965 --> 00:37:47,344 my brother and my half-brother that 615 00:37:47,413 --> 00:37:49,758 I need to be on the lookout. 616 00:37:50,793 --> 00:37:53,310 You're always looking over your shoulder. 617 00:37:54,241 --> 00:37:56,758 They had to interview people and witnesses. 618 00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:00,344 They had to put all their little ducks in a row. 619 00:38:02,172 --> 00:38:03,482 A couple years later, they had 620 00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:06,137 enough information to make the arrest. 621 00:38:08,448 --> 00:38:12,551 They finally arrested my dad, December 1st, 2016. 622 00:38:33,379 --> 00:38:35,758 This is my dad's arrest picture. 623 00:38:38,793 --> 00:38:41,034 His eyes are... 624 00:38:42,172 --> 00:38:44,586 like piercing, and... 625 00:38:44,586 --> 00:38:47,586 it's almost like a caricature of who I remember 626 00:38:47,586 --> 00:38:49,034 my dad was. 627 00:38:50,482 --> 00:38:51,758 It's a horrible picture. 628 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,862 This is like the stuff of nightmares. 629 00:39:02,689 --> 00:39:05,137 He had stopped taking his medications. 630 00:39:06,137 --> 00:39:08,034 And apparently, he stopped eating. 631 00:39:09,068 --> 00:39:10,965 He was in the hospital. 632 00:39:10,965 --> 00:39:13,241 I said, you know, he's trying to kill himself, 633 00:39:13,241 --> 00:39:16,241 and you're gonna let him die before he can stand trial? 634 00:39:17,172 --> 00:39:19,448 My brother was there with him, 635 00:39:20,689 --> 00:39:22,034 and 636 00:39:22,034 --> 00:39:24,241 asking for basically 637 00:39:24,241 --> 00:39:26,965 information about the location of my mom's body. 638 00:39:29,689 --> 00:39:31,448 Even though he knew that it was 639 00:39:31,448 --> 00:39:34,137 the end for him, by his own terms, 640 00:39:35,344 --> 00:39:38,034 he still would refuse to 641 00:39:38,034 --> 00:39:40,241 let us know where we could find our mom. 642 00:39:40,241 --> 00:39:43,344 What kind of person does that? I would say a monster, 643 00:39:43,344 --> 00:39:47,965 a selfish, egotistical, evil monster. 644 00:39:51,689 --> 00:39:53,965 My brother asked him, 645 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,655 how many people do you remember killing? 646 00:39:59,172 --> 00:40:00,517 And he said, "Well, 647 00:40:02,137 --> 00:40:04,482 "I think it's about 33. 648 00:40:04,482 --> 00:40:07,310 That's much of -- that's as many as I remember." 649 00:40:10,586 --> 00:40:12,586 Who are these other people? 650 00:40:12,586 --> 00:40:14,448 Each person has a whole family 651 00:40:14,448 --> 00:40:17,965 and loved ones and maybe children 652 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,551 that are grieving 653 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:22,793 because of his actions and his selfishness. 654 00:40:22,793 --> 00:40:26,758 But my father died while he was awaiting trial. 655 00:40:37,689 --> 00:40:39,586 We can't bring our loved ones back. 656 00:40:39,586 --> 00:40:42,551 My mom was still dead, those people were still dead. 657 00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:44,758 He had lived his whole life in freedom. 658 00:40:45,689 --> 00:40:48,172 He died at, you know, 659 00:40:48,172 --> 00:40:50,413 78 years old or whatever he was. 660 00:40:51,793 --> 00:40:54,000 He took his own life 661 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,793 on his own terms -- is that really 662 00:40:55,793 --> 00:40:57,793 justice, that he got away with it 663 00:40:57,793 --> 00:41:01,241 all these years, you know, they say delayed justice 664 00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:03,137 is justice denied, right? 665 00:41:05,241 --> 00:41:06,586 It's not easy to deal with. 666 00:41:06,586 --> 00:41:08,448 It makes me sick to my stomach. 667 00:41:08,517 --> 00:41:09,862 It makes me 668 00:41:10,793 --> 00:41:12,965 rethink all those questions. 669 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,137 What could I have done? 670 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,758 Could I have done something different? 671 00:41:18,689 --> 00:41:21,448 With the past already happened, 672 00:41:21,448 --> 00:41:25,758 the only thing you can do is try to make today 673 00:41:25,827 --> 00:41:29,758 the best you can and be the best person that you can. 674 00:41:39,586 --> 00:41:41,172 There isn't a day that goes by that 675 00:41:41,172 --> 00:41:43,310 I don't think about my mom. 676 00:41:45,068 --> 00:41:48,034 She'll always be 23 in my mind. 677 00:41:49,344 --> 00:41:51,758 I have no idea where she is. 678 00:41:51,827 --> 00:41:53,689 I would love to find her 679 00:41:53,689 --> 00:41:57,965 and bring her home, you know, and give her a proper, 680 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,172 decent burial. 681 00:42:00,172 --> 00:42:02,793 I've given my DNA, and they said 682 00:42:02,793 --> 00:42:05,172 it was going into the CODIS database. 683 00:42:05,172 --> 00:42:09,068 They said if there was a hit, they would let us know. 684 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:11,586 I'm still waiting for that phone call or an email.