1 00:00:02,068 --> 00:00:05,172 GINGER: It's taken a very long time to heal 2 00:00:05,241 --> 00:00:08,448 enough to be able to talk about what happened. 3 00:00:10,689 --> 00:00:12,448 It's not a pretty story. 4 00:00:13,310 --> 00:00:15,965 My mom was murdered by my sister. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,896 A domestic violence situation isn't always between partners, 6 00:00:22,896 --> 00:00:25,379 and I just want people to know that 7 00:00:25,379 --> 00:00:29,862 it could be your child that could hurt you. 8 00:00:37,689 --> 00:00:41,275 We had the same parents. We had the same upbringing. 9 00:00:42,413 --> 00:00:44,275 I turned out decently, 10 00:00:44,275 --> 00:00:46,379 but something within Paige was just 11 00:00:46,448 --> 00:00:48,793 not -- not right from the get-go. 12 00:00:49,724 --> 00:00:51,896 I mean, something was just... 13 00:00:54,103 --> 00:00:55,482 rotten inside. 14 00:00:57,103 --> 00:00:58,793 It just kind of festered 15 00:01:00,586 --> 00:01:01,655 and got worse. 16 00:01:02,689 --> 00:01:06,172 I think Paige Conley was born evil, 17 00:01:06,241 --> 00:01:08,034 and I think she will die evil. 18 00:01:11,206 --> 00:01:14,275 My Gran was one of my favorite people in the world. 19 00:01:14,344 --> 00:01:18,000 And when I lost her because of Paige, 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,655 I feel like I lost a part of my childhood. 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,758 I think that the word evil is not quite strong enough. 22 00:01:29,724 --> 00:01:31,000 I really do think that there is 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,448 a special place in hell for people like her. 24 00:01:40,827 --> 00:01:43,896 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 25 00:01:43,896 --> 00:01:46,275 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 26 00:01:46,275 --> 00:01:48,275 [static crackling] 27 00:01:50,517 --> 00:01:53,103 -[knock at door] -[creaking] 28 00:01:53,103 --> 00:01:58,482 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 29 00:01:58,482 --> 00:02:02,793 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 30 00:02:02,862 --> 00:02:05,793 [water dripping] 31 00:02:05,793 --> 00:02:08,793 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 32 00:02:08,862 --> 00:02:10,862 [sinister chord strikes] 33 00:02:23,931 --> 00:02:26,275 This is a photograph 34 00:02:26,344 --> 00:02:28,275 of myself 35 00:02:28,275 --> 00:02:30,482 and my mom and Paige. 36 00:02:30,482 --> 00:02:34,000 Paige is my younger sister by about seven and a half years. 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,896 My mom's name is Carlene Conley. 38 00:02:39,896 --> 00:02:45,379 My mom was a very warm, loving individual, 39 00:02:45,379 --> 00:02:47,862 adored all of us. 40 00:02:49,586 --> 00:02:51,379 Now I know that Paige had already 41 00:02:51,448 --> 00:02:54,275 been abusing my mother for a while at this point. 42 00:02:54,344 --> 00:02:57,275 Paige has her fingers clutching my mother 43 00:02:57,344 --> 00:03:00,103 on her shoulder pretty hard. 44 00:03:00,103 --> 00:03:03,758 You can kind of see her fingers are like a claw. 45 00:03:04,689 --> 00:03:07,862 Paige is desperately 46 00:03:09,620 --> 00:03:11,758 clutching and holding on to my mom, 47 00:03:13,586 --> 00:03:15,137 like there's no escape. 48 00:03:16,827 --> 00:03:17,862 You are mine. 49 00:03:39,827 --> 00:03:42,586 Paige is wearing her 50 00:03:42,586 --> 00:03:45,275 private school uniform, 51 00:03:45,275 --> 00:03:47,482 which puts her at about... 52 00:03:48,620 --> 00:03:50,344 probably about 15 years old. 53 00:03:51,482 --> 00:03:54,482 We always lived on the east side of Cincinnati. 54 00:03:54,482 --> 00:03:57,586 My dad was an executive for a large corporation. 55 00:03:57,586 --> 00:04:01,482 He was working sunup to sundown, six days a week. 56 00:04:01,482 --> 00:04:03,896 My folks were having problems, and I think 57 00:04:03,896 --> 00:04:07,275 she was looking for a way to 58 00:04:07,344 --> 00:04:10,275 get attention -- both positive and negative, 59 00:04:10,275 --> 00:04:12,172 it was attention. 60 00:04:12,241 --> 00:04:14,103 She was only there a couple months 61 00:04:14,103 --> 00:04:17,689 before she got expelled because of bad behavior 62 00:04:17,757 --> 00:04:21,137 and from, uh, skipping school. 63 00:04:22,206 --> 00:04:25,689 So my dad decided to send Paige to a boarding school. 64 00:04:30,172 --> 00:04:32,000 Once again, Paige made sure that 65 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,482 it wasn't long before she was expelled. 66 00:04:36,482 --> 00:04:39,172 The boarding school that my parents sent 67 00:04:39,172 --> 00:04:43,586 Paige to was kind of a religious-based school. 68 00:04:44,793 --> 00:04:48,896 Paige was caught smoking pot and doing tarot cards. 69 00:04:48,896 --> 00:04:51,482 And, of course, they look at that and they say, "Oh, 70 00:04:51,551 --> 00:04:52,862 that's the devil's work." 71 00:04:54,482 --> 00:04:57,482 My parents were livid when Paige 72 00:04:57,482 --> 00:04:59,344 was kicked out of the boarding school. 73 00:05:00,827 --> 00:05:03,482 I think for a while, I thought that Paige's 74 00:05:03,482 --> 00:05:06,896 behavior was directly associated with my parents 75 00:05:06,965 --> 00:05:08,586 splitting up, 76 00:05:08,586 --> 00:05:10,275 but then in hindsight, it just seems 77 00:05:10,275 --> 00:05:12,344 like it was so much more than that. 78 00:05:14,379 --> 00:05:17,793 Things that you think are not 79 00:05:17,862 --> 00:05:20,586 distressing or worrying 80 00:05:20,655 --> 00:05:25,241 can be very bad signs of something that is to come. 81 00:05:40,793 --> 00:05:45,103 This photo, to me, represents the beginning of 82 00:05:45,103 --> 00:05:47,379 Paige's criminal... 83 00:05:48,724 --> 00:05:50,172 behavior. 84 00:05:50,172 --> 00:05:52,689 She became more and more of a monster 85 00:05:52,758 --> 00:05:53,948 as she got older. 86 00:05:53,948 --> 00:05:58,172 She just was kind of becoming trouble with a capital T. 87 00:05:59,172 --> 00:06:03,379 This is a photograph of Paige on her great adventure. 88 00:06:03,379 --> 00:06:06,793 She and a bunch of her friends decided that 89 00:06:06,862 --> 00:06:08,586 they were gonna head 90 00:06:08,655 --> 00:06:11,655 to Lake Tahoe, broke into my dad's apartment, 91 00:06:12,517 --> 00:06:14,965 took a stereo and some other things, 92 00:06:16,068 --> 00:06:18,241 took all his booze, and hit the road. 93 00:06:19,275 --> 00:06:21,379 She'd stolen his car, 94 00:06:21,448 --> 00:06:25,103 and my dad, against my mom's wishes, 95 00:06:25,103 --> 00:06:28,758 declares that the Honda is stolen, because it's his car. 96 00:06:32,413 --> 00:06:35,103 They make it as far as Colorado. 97 00:06:35,103 --> 00:06:36,896 Paige and her friends are arrested. 98 00:06:36,965 --> 00:06:39,275 [siren wailing] 99 00:06:39,275 --> 00:06:41,482 And she spent the weekend in jail. 100 00:06:42,413 --> 00:06:44,689 And my dad flew out there 101 00:06:45,793 --> 00:06:48,275 and was there when she was taken to court 102 00:06:48,275 --> 00:06:50,896 and had to stand in front of a judge, 103 00:06:50,896 --> 00:06:53,586 who reprimanded her pretty harshly, 104 00:06:53,586 --> 00:06:55,172 but she was still underage, 105 00:06:55,172 --> 00:06:58,172 and so there's not a whole lot they could do. 106 00:06:58,172 --> 00:07:01,758 I think he's hoping that she's gonna learn a lesson from it. 107 00:07:03,482 --> 00:07:06,379 But he didn't consider it to be wrong. 108 00:07:06,448 --> 00:07:08,896 My mom thought that, you know, Paige is a wounded 109 00:07:08,965 --> 00:07:11,862 little deer that has to be babied at all times. 110 00:07:14,586 --> 00:07:17,896 Looking at how happy Paige is in this picture, 111 00:07:17,965 --> 00:07:19,068 and knowing... 112 00:07:20,724 --> 00:07:25,793 how much trouble she's causing in this photo, 113 00:07:25,793 --> 00:07:27,862 it makes me want to punch her in the nose. 114 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:43,068 TAYLOR: I think my mom 115 00:07:43,137 --> 00:07:45,379 tried really hard to 116 00:07:46,896 --> 00:07:50,275 still allow me to see my aunt, and she kept trying to give her 117 00:07:50,275 --> 00:07:53,793 chance after chance to, 118 00:07:53,793 --> 00:07:56,896 you know, improve herself -- she still loved her, 119 00:07:56,896 --> 00:08:00,586 despite everything that had already happened, and she really 120 00:08:00,586 --> 00:08:03,241 wanted me to have a relationship with her. 121 00:08:05,379 --> 00:08:08,896 I had this birthday dinner. 122 00:08:08,896 --> 00:08:10,172 We had one of my favorite meals, 123 00:08:10,241 --> 00:08:13,793 which my Gran made for me, and... 124 00:08:13,862 --> 00:08:17,896 Paige became kind of jealous of 125 00:08:17,896 --> 00:08:21,034 the attention that I was receiving on my birthday. 126 00:08:24,103 --> 00:08:26,482 We were sitting down, eating dinner. 127 00:08:26,482 --> 00:08:27,896 Paige decided that she was going 128 00:08:27,965 --> 00:08:31,482 to excuse herself to go to the restroom, 129 00:08:31,482 --> 00:08:35,344 and she was very audibly making herself sick. 130 00:08:37,620 --> 00:08:39,379 When she came back to the table, 131 00:08:39,448 --> 00:08:42,482 she told my Gran that she was not feeling well and that 132 00:08:42,482 --> 00:08:44,793 they needed to leave immediately. 133 00:08:44,793 --> 00:08:45,896 Now. 134 00:08:47,275 --> 00:08:48,586 TAYLOR: We were in the middle of eating dinner. 135 00:08:48,655 --> 00:08:50,172 We hadn't finished. 136 00:08:50,241 --> 00:08:52,172 We hadn't had any cake. 137 00:08:52,172 --> 00:08:54,172 My Gran... 138 00:08:54,172 --> 00:08:56,586 got up, and she knew they had to leave, 139 00:08:56,586 --> 00:08:58,793 because when Paige said it was time to leave, 140 00:08:58,862 --> 00:09:00,241 it was time to leave. 141 00:09:01,689 --> 00:09:04,896 She did this for several birthdays, 142 00:09:04,896 --> 00:09:07,586 including my dad's, and I know that it really 143 00:09:07,586 --> 00:09:09,482 hurt my Gran that she missed so 144 00:09:09,482 --> 00:09:11,896 much time with us because of Paige. 145 00:09:11,896 --> 00:09:14,379 Everything always had to be about her. 146 00:09:14,448 --> 00:09:17,862 If everything was not about her, it was a giant problem. 147 00:09:19,482 --> 00:09:21,586 Even as a kid, I knew 148 00:09:21,655 --> 00:09:26,448 that this behavior was purposely manipulative. 149 00:09:27,413 --> 00:09:29,137 There was something wrong with her. 150 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,896 GINGER: Paige resented the fact that 151 00:09:33,965 --> 00:09:35,379 she was not 152 00:09:35,379 --> 00:09:37,758 everything in my mother's world. 153 00:09:38,689 --> 00:09:42,896 Over the next several years, Paige was causing 154 00:09:42,965 --> 00:09:46,172 a multitude of problems in my mom's life. 155 00:09:46,241 --> 00:09:49,034 My mom started to kind of... 156 00:09:50,379 --> 00:09:53,482 kind of age before our eyes. 157 00:09:53,482 --> 00:09:55,275 I didn't realize it, of course, 158 00:09:55,275 --> 00:09:58,689 but -- but that's -- that's when she started hitting mom. 159 00:10:00,517 --> 00:10:01,793 I remember talking to my mom 160 00:10:01,793 --> 00:10:05,172 and telling her, "She's just sucking you dry." 161 00:10:07,103 --> 00:10:10,103 She just said, "What do you want me to do? 162 00:10:10,103 --> 00:10:13,068 You know, she's my child. I have to take care of her." 163 00:10:13,068 --> 00:10:16,896 I mean, I certainly didn't really, really think 164 00:10:16,965 --> 00:10:18,482 you know, Paige is gonna kill you. 165 00:10:27,206 --> 00:10:33,103 I was probably around nine years old, and my Gran was 166 00:10:33,103 --> 00:10:36,586 going to make a special dinner for me because that was, 167 00:10:36,586 --> 00:10:38,172 you know, one of our things. 168 00:10:38,241 --> 00:10:41,000 She went to the store and brought me with her, 169 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000 because I loved grocery shopping with her. 170 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,103 I was being her little helper -- Paige called my Gran. 171 00:10:47,103 --> 00:10:49,275 She told her that she had fallen down the stairs, 172 00:10:49,275 --> 00:10:52,896 and that she was seriously injured, and my Gran 173 00:10:52,896 --> 00:10:56,379 had to stop everything and come back to the house. 174 00:10:58,275 --> 00:11:00,379 And my Gran just kind of abandoned her cart 175 00:11:00,379 --> 00:11:03,103 in the middle of the store to go home immediately, 176 00:11:03,103 --> 00:11:06,586 and Paige called her probably three times 177 00:11:06,586 --> 00:11:09,379 in the 15-minute span that we were going 178 00:11:09,448 --> 00:11:10,965 from the grocery store back to the house. 179 00:11:11,931 --> 00:11:15,379 Paige was standing in the kitchen. 180 00:11:15,379 --> 00:11:18,689 I thought, well if she's standing, then, you know, 181 00:11:18,758 --> 00:11:20,172 she doesn't have any broken legs or anything, 182 00:11:20,241 --> 00:11:22,758 she's, you know, not hurt that bad. 183 00:11:25,586 --> 00:11:27,103 What took you so long? 184 00:11:27,103 --> 00:11:28,896 We got here as fast as we could. 185 00:11:28,896 --> 00:11:32,344 Paige and we're showing where it hurt, where she was injured. 186 00:11:33,482 --> 00:11:35,000 Sweetheart. 187 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,482 My Gran just looked at it, and she said, "Well, 188 00:11:37,482 --> 00:11:39,172 it doesn't look that bad." 189 00:11:39,172 --> 00:11:40,931 Why don't we put some ice on it? 190 00:11:42,275 --> 00:11:43,931 Paige did not like that answer. 191 00:11:44,896 --> 00:11:46,827 And Gran just kind of walked away. 192 00:11:48,689 --> 00:11:51,103 Paige wasn't very satisfied that my Gran 193 00:11:51,103 --> 00:11:53,758 was not distraught about this. 194 00:11:53,758 --> 00:11:55,275 There really was no reason for us 195 00:11:55,275 --> 00:11:58,000 to rush home from the grocery store. 196 00:11:58,034 --> 00:12:00,862 We had thought that she broke her leg or something 197 00:12:00,862 --> 00:12:04,344 severe like that, and she had a few bruises, and that was it. 198 00:12:05,793 --> 00:12:09,758 I do think that Paige actually threw herself down the stairs 199 00:12:10,689 --> 00:12:12,379 just so my Gran had to 200 00:12:12,379 --> 00:12:14,137 rush home to her and take care of her. 201 00:12:15,482 --> 00:12:17,379 That's how jealous she was of 202 00:12:17,379 --> 00:12:19,482 me spending time alone with my Gran. 203 00:12:19,482 --> 00:12:22,862 There was no room for attention for anybody else. 204 00:12:25,103 --> 00:12:27,689 It was almost, like, psychopathic. 205 00:12:27,758 --> 00:12:30,000 She was purposely hurting herself 206 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,137 just to get attention from people. 207 00:12:45,793 --> 00:12:49,896 One summer, my mom had hired Paige to babysit me 208 00:12:49,896 --> 00:12:51,172 and my younger sibling. 209 00:12:51,172 --> 00:12:54,586 She was somebody that always wanted to play with us 210 00:12:54,586 --> 00:12:56,586 and always wanted to take us places, 211 00:12:56,655 --> 00:12:58,379 always wanted to go to the park. 212 00:12:58,448 --> 00:13:00,586 AS PAIGE: Don't spill, or I'm gonna get you! 213 00:13:00,586 --> 00:13:01,689 [children laughing] 214 00:13:01,758 --> 00:13:03,482 We were very hopeful that the summer 215 00:13:03,482 --> 00:13:05,482 was gonna be a lot of fun, 216 00:13:05,482 --> 00:13:09,172 and it was at first, but Paige 217 00:13:09,241 --> 00:13:11,655 took it upon herself to start punishing us. 218 00:13:14,482 --> 00:13:16,793 And she would spank us. 219 00:13:16,793 --> 00:13:18,379 What did I say? 220 00:13:18,448 --> 00:13:19,793 And she would swear at us. 221 00:13:19,793 --> 00:13:21,034 AS PAIGE: You think I was kidding? 222 00:13:21,862 --> 00:13:25,000 My aunt went from very fun, would take us 223 00:13:25,034 --> 00:13:28,000 lots of places, would, you know, get us ice cream and stuff, 224 00:13:28,034 --> 00:13:32,758 and then all of a sudden she is spanking us and punishing us. 225 00:13:32,827 --> 00:13:35,482 When my sibling would get in trouble, 226 00:13:35,551 --> 00:13:39,379 I would have to sit there and watch Paige spank them, 227 00:13:39,448 --> 00:13:41,896 and it made me really uncomfortable that 228 00:13:41,896 --> 00:13:45,551 that was a constant threat at that point. 229 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,103 When my mom would pick us up from being babysat, 230 00:13:52,103 --> 00:13:53,275 [car door slams shut] 231 00:13:53,275 --> 00:13:56,965 my mom could sometimes tell that we were kind of upset 232 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,689 or that we were just extra quiet, 233 00:13:58,758 --> 00:14:01,655 and we weren't talking about how great of a day it was. 234 00:14:02,896 --> 00:14:04,655 AS GINGER: Hey guys, how was it? 235 00:14:06,482 --> 00:14:10,482 At that point, not enough of the pieces of the puzzle 236 00:14:10,551 --> 00:14:13,689 had kind of, you know, locked together 237 00:14:13,758 --> 00:14:16,068 as far as my sister's behavior. 238 00:14:16,137 --> 00:14:19,448 So I wasn't really afraid for her to watch my kids. 239 00:14:20,793 --> 00:14:23,482 Until one day, one of my kids 240 00:14:23,482 --> 00:14:26,379 told me that Paige had been spanking them, 241 00:14:26,448 --> 00:14:29,000 and I remember confronting her about it. 242 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,275 Said, "It's not okay for you to do that. 243 00:14:31,275 --> 00:14:34,275 "That's not your -- it's not your job to do that, 244 00:14:34,344 --> 00:14:37,586 and you have no right to spank them." 245 00:14:37,586 --> 00:14:39,137 And she got really angry. 246 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,379 I said, "Well, I don't think this is 247 00:14:41,379 --> 00:14:43,965 gonna work," and so I fired her. 248 00:14:45,482 --> 00:14:47,000 What? 249 00:14:47,034 --> 00:14:49,379 GINGER: Her eyes got real narrow, 250 00:14:49,379 --> 00:14:52,586 you know, and she got just kind of a mean, stony 251 00:14:52,586 --> 00:14:54,241 look on her face. 252 00:14:55,862 --> 00:14:57,586 Her hands kind of clenched. 253 00:14:57,586 --> 00:15:01,586 She just looked at me with just this really vengeful 254 00:15:01,655 --> 00:15:03,586 sort of a glance, 255 00:15:03,586 --> 00:15:05,068 you know? 256 00:15:05,068 --> 00:15:07,965 And -- and she just -- she stormed off. 257 00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:11,482 I became a lot more careful about 258 00:15:11,551 --> 00:15:14,068 leaving Paige with any of my kids. 259 00:15:14,068 --> 00:15:17,862 I was unsure how she was gonna behave. 260 00:15:18,896 --> 00:15:21,172 And I wasn't sure I wanted to find out. 261 00:15:23,379 --> 00:15:27,862 If my mom was around, it was okay for my kids to be there, 262 00:15:27,931 --> 00:15:29,793 because I knew that she would do whatever 263 00:15:29,793 --> 00:15:31,758 she had to do to protect my kids. 264 00:15:42,689 --> 00:15:45,068 Every time that I went to visit my Gran, 265 00:15:45,137 --> 00:15:48,241 Paige would ruin all of my memories. 266 00:15:49,758 --> 00:15:51,758 Paige had really bad insomnia. 267 00:15:53,896 --> 00:15:57,482 She would stay up for days and days on end. 268 00:15:59,206 --> 00:16:01,172 Paige used to try to play this game with me 269 00:16:01,172 --> 00:16:03,758 where I would stay up for as long as I could. 270 00:16:03,827 --> 00:16:06,068 I would be sitting on the couch, watching 271 00:16:06,068 --> 00:16:07,689 the TV shows with her. 272 00:16:07,758 --> 00:16:09,793 And, you know, my eyes would start to get 273 00:16:09,793 --> 00:16:12,482 really heavy, and she would look over at me. 274 00:16:12,551 --> 00:16:15,172 [indistinct talking on TV] 275 00:16:15,241 --> 00:16:19,172 She would glare at me and look really annoyed with me. 276 00:16:19,241 --> 00:16:22,068 [indistinct talking on TV] 277 00:16:22,068 --> 00:16:25,000 She would, like, slam her hand down on the couch 278 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,586 or on the pillow to, you know, jolt me awake. 279 00:16:28,586 --> 00:16:31,482 And I guess that worked, because it would scare me into 280 00:16:31,551 --> 00:16:33,275 being awake for a few more minutes 281 00:16:33,344 --> 00:16:35,758 until I would start to nod off again. 282 00:16:35,827 --> 00:16:39,068 And this particular night, Paige got really angry with me, 283 00:16:39,068 --> 00:16:41,275 like irrationally angry with me, 284 00:16:41,344 --> 00:16:43,275 because I could not stay up longer. 285 00:16:43,275 --> 00:16:45,758 [indistinct talking on TV] 286 00:16:45,758 --> 00:16:47,448 What is going on down here? 287 00:16:49,068 --> 00:16:51,068 Gran brought me upstairs, 288 00:16:51,137 --> 00:16:53,275 and she tucked me in, 289 00:16:53,275 --> 00:16:55,482 and that's when Paige came upstairs, 290 00:16:55,482 --> 00:16:59,896 trying to keep me from spending time with her and was 291 00:16:59,896 --> 00:17:02,896 just becoming really aggressive about it. 292 00:17:02,896 --> 00:17:05,068 Hey, wait, wait, wait! 293 00:17:05,068 --> 00:17:07,862 [door rattling] 294 00:17:07,931 --> 00:17:10,378 Paige started trying to push through the door. 295 00:17:10,378 --> 00:17:12,172 That's when my Gran locked the door. 296 00:17:12,172 --> 00:17:13,586 [banging noises] 297 00:17:13,586 --> 00:17:18,172 She started banging on the door, and she became really angry. 298 00:17:18,172 --> 00:17:19,896 It's all right. I'm here. 299 00:17:19,896 --> 00:17:22,758 Paige was screaming, "Taylor come out! 300 00:17:22,758 --> 00:17:25,275 And I just want to spend some time with you." 301 00:17:25,275 --> 00:17:26,758 And then she was screaming 302 00:17:26,758 --> 00:17:29,586 and accusing me of not loving her anymore 303 00:17:29,655 --> 00:17:31,793 and not wanting to spend time with her. 304 00:17:31,793 --> 00:17:34,172 AS PAIGE: What? You hate me now, Taylor? 305 00:17:34,172 --> 00:17:35,896 Say it to my face! 306 00:17:35,896 --> 00:17:37,586 Paige started trying to break 307 00:17:37,655 --> 00:17:39,689 the door down just to get to me. 308 00:17:39,758 --> 00:17:41,862 I was very scared. I was crying. 309 00:17:41,931 --> 00:17:45,551 AS PAIGE: Hey! Open the door! 310 00:17:46,896 --> 00:17:49,275 My Gran kept telling me, "It's okay, like, 311 00:17:49,275 --> 00:17:50,482 "you know, nothing's gonna happen to you. 312 00:17:50,482 --> 00:17:52,379 I'm not gonna let her hurt you." 313 00:17:52,448 --> 00:17:55,172 And she just laid with me and held me. 314 00:17:55,241 --> 00:17:57,379 When Paige finally stop banging on the door 315 00:17:57,379 --> 00:18:00,379 and stopped trying to break the door down, 316 00:18:00,379 --> 00:18:04,172 there was this really eerie silence. 317 00:18:08,206 --> 00:18:10,586 I really thought that she was gearing up to do 318 00:18:10,586 --> 00:18:14,896 something worse, and eventually, I just kind of fell asleep 319 00:18:14,896 --> 00:18:16,068 in my Gran's arms. 320 00:18:21,482 --> 00:18:23,586 My Gran was scared of her. 321 00:18:23,655 --> 00:18:28,000 It was weird to me to see the two different sides of Paige, 322 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,344 like Jekyll and Hyde. 323 00:18:31,793 --> 00:18:34,586 It's like this, you know, 324 00:18:34,655 --> 00:18:38,551 switch had flipped, and I had no idea who she was. 325 00:18:40,103 --> 00:18:41,482 When Paige got that wound up, 326 00:18:41,482 --> 00:18:42,965 you never knew what she was gonna do. 327 00:18:52,172 --> 00:18:56,655 TAYLOR: One of my most vivid memories with Paige was 328 00:18:56,724 --> 00:19:00,344 when she chose me to come with her to pick up a puppy 329 00:19:00,344 --> 00:19:01,655 from the animal shelter. 330 00:19:02,965 --> 00:19:06,965 And we got back to the house, and I could 331 00:19:06,965 --> 00:19:12,862 tell that my Gran did not know that this was happening. 332 00:19:12,931 --> 00:19:16,965 My Gran was starting to get really agitated with Paige, 333 00:19:16,965 --> 00:19:19,482 telling her that, you know, she needed to take the dog back. 334 00:19:19,482 --> 00:19:21,344 They were not prepared, she did not 335 00:19:21,413 --> 00:19:23,620 have all the supplies for a new puppy. 336 00:19:24,551 --> 00:19:26,482 My Gran asked me to take the puppy 337 00:19:26,482 --> 00:19:29,620 outside to go to the restroom while they talked. 338 00:19:31,241 --> 00:19:33,965 After a while, 339 00:19:33,965 --> 00:19:37,758 I walked in the house, and immediately saw 340 00:19:38,689 --> 00:19:43,000 that Paige had my Gran pinned to the kitchen counter. 341 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,896 [struggling noises] 342 00:19:46,896 --> 00:19:49,241 And she had a ceramic bowl above her head 343 00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:52,862 and was trying to bash my Gran's head in 344 00:19:52,862 --> 00:19:54,172 with this bowl. 345 00:19:56,379 --> 00:19:58,448 As soon as she saw me, she dropped the bowl. 346 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,965 My Gran tried to give me her phone 347 00:20:02,965 --> 00:20:06,758 and tried to get me to call police, 348 00:20:06,758 --> 00:20:10,344 and Paige grabbed the phone and threw it across the room. 349 00:20:10,344 --> 00:20:13,655 All I knew was that my Gran was scared, 350 00:20:13,655 --> 00:20:16,241 and that meant I needed to be very scared. 351 00:20:17,586 --> 00:20:19,758 And I ran outside. 352 00:20:19,758 --> 00:20:21,793 Paige's car was sitting in the garage, 353 00:20:21,793 --> 00:20:25,551 and I got in the car and locked the car doors. 354 00:20:26,448 --> 00:20:28,241 And I looked down in the cup holder, 355 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:31,551 and Paige had left her cellphone in the car. 356 00:20:32,862 --> 00:20:35,655 I called my mom and told her what was 357 00:20:35,655 --> 00:20:37,965 going on, and I asked her to call the police. 358 00:20:37,965 --> 00:20:39,379 Paige is attacking Grandma. 359 00:20:39,379 --> 00:20:40,586 She's got her pinned against a table. 360 00:20:40,586 --> 00:20:41,862 She won't stop hitting her. 361 00:20:41,862 --> 00:20:43,862 My mom 362 00:20:43,931 --> 00:20:45,965 told me that everything was gonna be okay. 363 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,965 She was gonna get there before the police could. 364 00:20:47,965 --> 00:20:49,689 I needed to go back in the house 365 00:20:49,689 --> 00:20:51,241 to see if my Gran was okay. 366 00:20:54,896 --> 00:20:57,206 When Paige saw me, she grabbed me by the arm. 367 00:20:58,448 --> 00:21:01,758 And she had me sit on the couch. 368 00:21:03,172 --> 00:21:04,689 She pulled up a chair, 369 00:21:04,689 --> 00:21:07,896 and she was just staring at me. 370 00:21:07,896 --> 00:21:10,896 Paige had this really 371 00:21:10,896 --> 00:21:13,275 feral look in her eye that made 372 00:21:13,275 --> 00:21:16,551 her look like -- it's like wild animal. 373 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:21,275 My Gran told Paige leave me alone. 374 00:21:21,275 --> 00:21:22,586 You know, you're scaring her. 375 00:21:22,586 --> 00:21:24,758 Please just let her go. Leave her alone. 376 00:21:24,758 --> 00:21:27,448 Paige, she didn't do anything wrong -- stop it! 377 00:21:27,448 --> 00:21:29,000 TAYLOR: Paige looked at me 378 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,965 with these, like, really dead eyes and asked me 379 00:21:32,965 --> 00:21:35,034 if I was scared of her yet. 380 00:21:38,034 --> 00:21:40,172 I really thought that Paige was gonna 381 00:21:40,172 --> 00:21:42,758 hurt me or even kill me. 382 00:21:42,827 --> 00:21:45,241 And that's when I heard my mom's voice. 383 00:21:45,241 --> 00:21:47,448 AS GINGER: Taylor? Where are you? 384 00:21:50,965 --> 00:21:54,000 GINGER: Paige is threatening my kiddo. 385 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,793 I'm not sure what I would have done in that instant 386 00:21:57,793 --> 00:22:01,586 if the police hadn't knocked on the door 387 00:22:01,586 --> 00:22:03,724 and announced, "Police, let us in." 388 00:22:05,379 --> 00:22:06,758 That stopped everything. 389 00:22:08,103 --> 00:22:09,862 My daughter runs to me. 390 00:22:11,586 --> 00:22:13,655 Paige just looked angry. 391 00:22:13,655 --> 00:22:17,068 I just remember her slammin' down to the basement. 392 00:22:21,275 --> 00:22:24,344 My mother refused to press charges. 393 00:22:25,482 --> 00:22:29,551 The police left. Mom just looked exhausted. 394 00:22:30,793 --> 00:22:33,241 Sighing and sort of hanging her head 395 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,862 and saying, you know, "You probably 396 00:22:35,862 --> 00:22:37,448 should just take Taylor home now." 397 00:22:39,689 --> 00:22:44,551 Paige is beyond just troubled and needy. 398 00:22:45,586 --> 00:22:48,758 She's a very dangerous problem 399 00:22:48,827 --> 00:22:51,965 and that we all are in danger from her. 400 00:22:53,137 --> 00:22:56,931 I am not sure what -- what's gonna happen. 401 00:23:06,275 --> 00:23:07,655 [phone ringing] 402 00:23:07,724 --> 00:23:09,551 One Sunday evening, the phone rings, 403 00:23:09,551 --> 00:23:11,758 and it's my mom, 404 00:23:11,827 --> 00:23:14,862 and she's sobbing into the phone. 405 00:23:16,172 --> 00:23:17,517 She's saying 406 00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:20,965 "She -- I can't get her to stop hitting me." 407 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:25,379 And I just... looked at my husband. 408 00:23:25,379 --> 00:23:27,068 He knew something was wrong. 409 00:23:27,068 --> 00:23:28,655 I said, "We will be right there." 410 00:23:31,586 --> 00:23:34,448 My husband and I rush into my mom's house. 411 00:23:36,172 --> 00:23:39,344 You see Paige, and she's kind of walking back and forth, 412 00:23:39,344 --> 00:23:42,448 sort of pacing, and she's sort of... 413 00:23:43,586 --> 00:23:48,965 wild-eyed and kind of talking to herself, 414 00:23:49,965 --> 00:23:52,758 and she looked absolutely bonkers. 415 00:23:55,586 --> 00:23:59,655 She, with a knife, was hitting 416 00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:03,275 a countertop over and over and over again, 417 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:07,379 gouging the countertop on the island 418 00:24:07,379 --> 00:24:11,000 and just leaving just these giant cut marks in it. 419 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,482 Hey, hey, hey. It's me. 420 00:24:14,482 --> 00:24:19,586 My husband said to her, you know, "Put the knife down. 421 00:24:19,586 --> 00:24:23,896 Let's go talk," and she kind of realized that we were -- 422 00:24:23,896 --> 00:24:26,551 we were there and intervening. 423 00:24:27,482 --> 00:24:30,655 My husband, you know, took the knife out of her hand 424 00:24:30,655 --> 00:24:32,448 and was trying to get her 425 00:24:32,448 --> 00:24:34,862 to sit down, and he was trying to take care of her. 426 00:24:36,689 --> 00:24:41,551 I ran upstairs to check on my mom and make sure she was okay. 427 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:46,034 She's sitting in her little chair next to the bed, 428 00:24:46,034 --> 00:24:48,068 and she just... 429 00:24:48,068 --> 00:24:49,482 she's cowering. 430 00:24:49,482 --> 00:24:51,758 She just looked terrified. 431 00:24:54,896 --> 00:24:57,965 She told me that Paige had been 432 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,206 hitting her and had threatened her with a knife. 433 00:25:02,586 --> 00:25:06,344 When Mom had run upstairs and locked the door, 434 00:25:06,413 --> 00:25:08,758 Paige kept banging up against it and was trying 435 00:25:08,758 --> 00:25:10,103 to break the door down. 436 00:25:11,482 --> 00:25:15,241 I don't know what would have happened if she hadn't 437 00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:19,862 been able to put that door between herself and Paige 438 00:25:19,931 --> 00:25:21,172 and managed to call me. 439 00:25:21,172 --> 00:25:25,586 AS PAIGE: Mom! Mom! [door rattling] 440 00:25:25,586 --> 00:25:28,551 GINGER: My mom was being terrorized in her own home. 441 00:25:29,586 --> 00:25:33,137 I said, "You can't have her living here anymore." 442 00:25:33,137 --> 00:25:35,896 I said, "It is just not safe for you." 443 00:25:35,896 --> 00:25:39,034 Paige has got to go. 444 00:25:39,034 --> 00:25:40,379 GINGER: She's like, "You guys go on home. 445 00:25:40,379 --> 00:25:42,344 I'm sorry I called -- I bothered you." 446 00:25:42,344 --> 00:25:45,172 That's what she said to me. "I'm sorry I bothered you." 447 00:25:45,172 --> 00:25:48,241 I'm like, "You were under attack in your home, 448 00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:51,655 and that's not okay." 449 00:25:53,068 --> 00:25:56,862 My mother would not let me call the police. 450 00:25:56,862 --> 00:25:59,413 She would not let me take her to the hospital. 451 00:26:00,551 --> 00:26:03,344 You feel like your hands are tied. 452 00:26:03,344 --> 00:26:04,827 It's a sickening feeling. 453 00:26:11,034 --> 00:26:12,724 This is a photograph 454 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:16,517 of the countertop that Paige 455 00:26:18,172 --> 00:26:22,344 was stabbing the night that, um, 456 00:26:22,413 --> 00:26:25,000 Mom called and said that Paige was hitting her. 457 00:26:26,344 --> 00:26:27,724 I was shocked 458 00:26:28,689 --> 00:26:31,206 when I saw what Paige had done to the countertop. 459 00:26:33,379 --> 00:26:35,241 What if that wasn't a countertop? 460 00:26:37,586 --> 00:26:40,896 I mean, what -- what's next? 461 00:26:40,896 --> 00:26:43,000 This picture... 462 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,172 is Paige's... 463 00:26:45,172 --> 00:26:49,068 Paige's anger, her hatred, 464 00:26:49,068 --> 00:26:50,620 her rage, 465 00:26:52,379 --> 00:26:54,137 her evilness. 466 00:26:54,137 --> 00:26:55,758 It was 467 00:26:55,758 --> 00:26:58,758 a scary prelude to what was to come. 468 00:27:06,862 --> 00:27:09,137 GINGER: It's a Saturday afternoon. 469 00:27:09,137 --> 00:27:11,965 Mom calls, and she's crying, 470 00:27:11,965 --> 00:27:13,896 and she says, you know, "I need you to come over. 471 00:27:13,896 --> 00:27:15,448 I've called the police." 472 00:27:16,655 --> 00:27:19,448 I get to the house, and the police are already there. 473 00:27:20,551 --> 00:27:26,103 Mom's got bruises and welts on her face. 474 00:27:26,103 --> 00:27:29,000 Oh, my God. Mom. 475 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,448 GINGER: And she's got a great big, huge bruise on her arm. 476 00:27:32,517 --> 00:27:35,482 There's a broom nearby with, like, a metal handle, 477 00:27:35,482 --> 00:27:37,793 and she tells the police officer and me that Paige 478 00:27:37,793 --> 00:27:40,931 had been hitting her with this broom handle. 479 00:27:44,586 --> 00:27:48,000 I asked Mom, I said, "Do you want to press charges on her?" 480 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,344 And she said, "No, I'm not gonna press charges on her." 481 00:27:53,793 --> 00:27:55,275 Everything's okay. She's just kind 482 00:27:55,275 --> 00:27:57,793 of bruised and battered and sore. 483 00:27:57,793 --> 00:28:00,000 Meanwhile, there's paramedics coming to 484 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,758 take Paige to the hospital. 485 00:28:01,758 --> 00:28:04,344 [As Paige, struggling] Let go of me! 486 00:28:04,413 --> 00:28:05,965 GINGER: Paige is 487 00:28:05,965 --> 00:28:09,551 acting crazy, for lack of a better word. 488 00:28:10,655 --> 00:28:14,448 She was very combative. She would kind of lash out. 489 00:28:14,448 --> 00:28:16,448 She's trying to get loose. 490 00:28:16,448 --> 00:28:19,000 She's got her head whipping every which way. 491 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,103 Everybody is a S.O.B. 492 00:28:21,103 --> 00:28:25,034 and this, that, and the other, and, you know, just... 493 00:28:25,034 --> 00:28:28,758 just acting absolutely bonkers. 494 00:28:28,758 --> 00:28:30,103 AS PAIGE: Let go of me! 495 00:28:30,103 --> 00:28:31,758 They told us they will keep Paige in 496 00:28:31,827 --> 00:28:34,551 the psych ward for a minimum of 24 hours. 497 00:28:37,793 --> 00:28:39,862 We felt pretty confident that we at least 498 00:28:39,931 --> 00:28:44,000 had a reprieve of a day from Paige. 499 00:28:51,172 --> 00:28:52,379 I was gonna do everything 500 00:28:52,379 --> 00:28:57,586 I could to convince my mother to not let her back in. 501 00:28:57,586 --> 00:28:58,862 I told my mom, 502 00:29:00,068 --> 00:29:01,862 "I can't let her back in here. 503 00:29:03,379 --> 00:29:05,275 "She's gonna keep hurting you, 504 00:29:05,275 --> 00:29:07,551 and it's just -- it's not gonna stop." 505 00:29:08,793 --> 00:29:11,344 Paige was in her early 30s 506 00:29:11,344 --> 00:29:13,758 when these sort of episodes were occurring. 507 00:29:14,793 --> 00:29:16,344 I was 508 00:29:16,344 --> 00:29:20,689 really frustrated by the fact that Paige 509 00:29:20,689 --> 00:29:24,000 could basically get away with anything she wanted. 510 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,241 There were very little consequences, if any. 511 00:29:28,344 --> 00:29:31,448 She's a fully grown adult who should be 512 00:29:31,517 --> 00:29:34,137 out of the house, have a job, have a life. 513 00:29:35,862 --> 00:29:39,655 But she believed that Paige was dependent upon her 514 00:29:40,758 --> 00:29:43,344 and that Paige needed her more than anything. 515 00:29:44,379 --> 00:29:46,448 And Paige took advantage of that. 516 00:29:46,448 --> 00:29:49,896 [phone ringing] 517 00:29:49,896 --> 00:29:51,241 AS GINGER: Hello? 518 00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:53,344 GINGER: Then we get the phone call from Paige 519 00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:55,896 saying, "Come and pick me up." 520 00:29:55,896 --> 00:29:58,103 I just remember being shocked and saying, "I thought you were 521 00:29:58,103 --> 00:30:01,448 on a hold, and it would be at least 24 hours," 522 00:30:01,517 --> 00:30:03,724 and she's like, "Oh, no, they've let me go already." 523 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:09,379 I remember telling her, "We are not coming to get you. 524 00:30:09,379 --> 00:30:11,206 You're not welcome here right now." 525 00:30:12,275 --> 00:30:14,448 I called my husband, and I had him 526 00:30:14,517 --> 00:30:17,551 bring me some stuff, including a gun. 527 00:30:17,620 --> 00:30:19,862 I felt safer knowing I had one 528 00:30:19,931 --> 00:30:21,758 if something were to escalate. 529 00:30:22,689 --> 00:30:26,551 Paige had actually broken down and contacted my dad 530 00:30:26,551 --> 00:30:29,689 and asked for money to be put up in a hotel. 531 00:30:29,689 --> 00:30:32,241 And that's where she was staying was in a hotel. 532 00:30:33,689 --> 00:30:36,344 I was nervous that somehow or another 533 00:30:36,413 --> 00:30:38,862 that Paige might try to come home. 534 00:30:39,896 --> 00:30:42,655 If I could have protected my mom, 535 00:30:42,655 --> 00:30:44,448 I would have shot her in a heartbeat. 536 00:30:54,241 --> 00:30:57,103 Mom gave in. She let her back in. 537 00:30:58,793 --> 00:31:01,000 I'm like, "Why did you do that?" 538 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,724 Mom just told me, she's like, "She's my child, 539 00:31:04,655 --> 00:31:06,206 and I have to take care of her." 540 00:31:09,241 --> 00:31:13,517 It was a horrible, codependent relationship. 541 00:31:14,379 --> 00:31:16,862 It was just an ugly, vicious cycle 542 00:31:16,931 --> 00:31:18,827 that just went on and on and on. 543 00:31:22,655 --> 00:31:26,482 We couldn't get Mom to stop 544 00:31:26,482 --> 00:31:30,758 caring about and for Paige -- her love, and her devotion, 545 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,379 you know, they were her greatest faults. 546 00:31:34,379 --> 00:31:37,793 Paige was proving herself to be more dangerous 547 00:31:37,793 --> 00:31:40,241 and unhinged even. 548 00:31:41,275 --> 00:31:43,379 It was getting 549 00:31:43,379 --> 00:31:47,551 more frequent and more horrific all the time. 550 00:31:55,689 --> 00:31:59,241 My son's birthday and Paige's birthday are one day apart. 551 00:31:59,241 --> 00:32:00,758 We kind of always, you know, 552 00:32:00,827 --> 00:32:04,862 combine the two of them and have just a big birthday 553 00:32:04,862 --> 00:32:06,655 dinner celebration. 554 00:32:06,724 --> 00:32:08,896 We're back at our house, and Mom and I are 555 00:32:08,896 --> 00:32:11,758 talking about the birthday dinner, 556 00:32:11,758 --> 00:32:13,965 and Mom just had the oddest thing to me, 557 00:32:13,965 --> 00:32:15,034 because I was asking her, 558 00:32:15,034 --> 00:32:17,793 I said, "I know your car lease is coming up soon." 559 00:32:17,793 --> 00:32:20,965 I said, you know, "What are you gonna do with that?" 560 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,241 Have you given it more thought? 561 00:32:23,310 --> 00:32:24,586 To the car? 562 00:32:24,586 --> 00:32:26,689 GINGER: And she just kind of looked at me and just said, 563 00:32:26,689 --> 00:32:29,344 "Yeah, I don't -- I don't think I'm gonna 564 00:32:29,413 --> 00:32:30,655 need that car much longer." 565 00:32:30,655 --> 00:32:33,896 But you need a car, Mom. 566 00:32:33,896 --> 00:32:35,275 GINGER: And I said, what do you mean? 567 00:32:35,275 --> 00:32:38,241 She's like, "I just don't think I'm gonna need it." 568 00:32:38,241 --> 00:32:42,758 And it was just kind of an odd, weird kind of thing to say. 569 00:32:42,827 --> 00:32:44,137 And I was like okay, you know, 570 00:32:44,137 --> 00:32:47,000 and I just kind of brushed it off. 571 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000 It's getting late. 572 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,379 GINGER: We just chitchat a little bit more, 573 00:32:49,379 --> 00:32:51,655 and then Mom is getting ready to go, 574 00:32:51,655 --> 00:32:55,241 and she's kissing and hugging everybody goodbye. 575 00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:58,000 Taylor, come give Grandma hug. 576 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,034 And I thought that my Gran seemed 577 00:33:01,034 --> 00:33:04,344 particularly adamant about everybody 578 00:33:04,413 --> 00:33:07,344 coming to give her a hug and saying goodbye and everything. 579 00:33:08,379 --> 00:33:09,344 Looking back, 580 00:33:09,344 --> 00:33:11,793 I really think that she knew that something 581 00:33:11,793 --> 00:33:14,517 was gonna happen to her that night. 582 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000 GINGER: And it just felt really strange. 583 00:33:20,586 --> 00:33:24,241 I kind of feel like she was saying goodbye to all of us. 584 00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:26,103 Like a goodbye-goodbye. 585 00:33:34,137 --> 00:33:36,862 GINGER: I woke up that morning to Taylor, 586 00:33:36,862 --> 00:33:39,655 she was basically shaking and yelling me -- 587 00:33:39,655 --> 00:33:43,068 at me to wake up, "Mom, Mom, 588 00:33:43,068 --> 00:33:45,344 "the police are here, you know, wake up. 589 00:33:45,413 --> 00:33:47,103 You have to come downstairs." 590 00:33:48,896 --> 00:33:50,448 Open the door, and... 591 00:33:50,448 --> 00:33:53,068 there is an officer standing there, and he says, 592 00:33:53,068 --> 00:33:55,241 "I -- I need to speak with you." 593 00:33:57,068 --> 00:33:59,448 I remember even asking the officer, 594 00:33:59,448 --> 00:34:01,862 you know, "What did Paige do now?" 595 00:34:03,103 --> 00:34:06,965 I knew in my gut and my heart 596 00:34:06,965 --> 00:34:08,862 that Paige had finally killed her. 597 00:34:12,482 --> 00:34:14,757 Then he, as gently as 598 00:34:14,827 --> 00:34:18,447 you can ever tell anybody, told me that -- 599 00:34:18,447 --> 00:34:22,965 that my mom was -- was gone and that 600 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,551 my sister had been arrested for murdering her. 601 00:34:30,447 --> 00:34:31,757 I just remember just sitting there, 602 00:34:31,827 --> 00:34:34,965 just crying, and Taylor's crying and... 603 00:34:34,965 --> 00:34:38,241 I didn't know what to say or do or think or feel. 604 00:34:39,275 --> 00:34:40,862 I just felt sick. 605 00:34:53,275 --> 00:34:59,137 Paige answered the door, said that she had been taking a nap 606 00:34:59,137 --> 00:35:02,862 and came upstairs from the basement and found 607 00:35:02,862 --> 00:35:04,172 her mother dead on the floor. 608 00:35:06,586 --> 00:35:10,068 My sister is completely covered -- mouth, 609 00:35:11,275 --> 00:35:15,448 shirt, arms, legs, everything in blood. 610 00:35:16,482 --> 00:35:17,689 No one understands 611 00:35:17,689 --> 00:35:20,758 why this person would be completely covered in 612 00:35:20,758 --> 00:35:24,241 blood if they were coming upstairs from a nap. 613 00:35:26,241 --> 00:35:30,034 Then she backtracked and told them that drug dealers must 614 00:35:30,034 --> 00:35:32,344 have broken in and hurt her mom, 615 00:35:32,344 --> 00:35:34,965 because they couldn't find Paige. 616 00:35:44,275 --> 00:35:45,758 DETECTIVE: Drug dealers? 617 00:35:45,827 --> 00:35:47,344 DETECTIVE: Former drug dealers? 618 00:35:53,689 --> 00:35:56,482 First of all, I don't know how those poor detectives 619 00:35:56,482 --> 00:35:58,482 could bear 620 00:35:58,482 --> 00:36:02,275 to sit in that room and listen to her 621 00:36:02,275 --> 00:36:05,896 make up these absolutely ridiculous stories, 622 00:36:05,896 --> 00:36:08,034 one after another. 623 00:36:08,034 --> 00:36:11,758 That doesn't work, so then she tells them that 624 00:36:11,758 --> 00:36:14,344 there were three girls trick-or-treating, 625 00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:16,551 and it's March. 626 00:36:17,793 --> 00:36:21,103 No way, no how that that could happen. 627 00:36:33,241 --> 00:36:36,620 You know, trick-or-treat and all this... 628 00:36:39,448 --> 00:36:42,241 I don't think a single person in that room believed a word 629 00:36:42,241 --> 00:36:43,551 she was saying. 630 00:37:01,275 --> 00:37:03,793 She just flat-out lies. 631 00:37:03,793 --> 00:37:05,344 Did you do this? No. 632 00:37:07,689 --> 00:37:09,862 Makes me just want to throttle her. 633 00:37:11,275 --> 00:37:13,172 You know, I mean... 634 00:37:17,689 --> 00:37:20,172 that's the Paige I knew, right there. 635 00:37:21,896 --> 00:37:23,551 This is a picture of Paige 636 00:37:24,689 --> 00:37:26,448 right after she murdered my mom. 637 00:37:30,482 --> 00:37:31,655 I feel sick. 638 00:37:31,724 --> 00:37:35,655 She looks like someone who slaughtered...a person. 639 00:37:37,379 --> 00:37:38,965 This is my mother's blood. 640 00:37:40,379 --> 00:37:41,965 That is my mother's blood. 641 00:37:44,344 --> 00:37:47,448 And this person is the one who killed her. 642 00:37:47,517 --> 00:37:50,827 There's nothing behind those eyes. 643 00:37:52,586 --> 00:37:55,655 I've never seen this photograph before. 644 00:37:55,724 --> 00:37:59,206 It's sickening -- I don't ever want to see it again. 645 00:38:09,068 --> 00:38:12,896 Later on, I learned, you know, what had happened 646 00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:14,482 that evening. 647 00:38:14,482 --> 00:38:18,482 Mom had returned to her house after leaving all of us. 648 00:38:18,482 --> 00:38:20,275 And Mom had asked Paige what 649 00:38:20,275 --> 00:38:24,241 she wanted for the combination birthday dinner, 650 00:38:24,241 --> 00:38:26,241 and Paige wouldn't give her an answer. 651 00:38:27,172 --> 00:38:29,758 So my mom made lasagna, which at 652 00:38:29,758 --> 00:38:32,586 the time was my son's favorite meal. 653 00:38:32,586 --> 00:38:35,172 Paige was very, very 654 00:38:35,172 --> 00:38:36,551 upset about it, 655 00:38:36,551 --> 00:38:38,896 that it wasn't what she had wanted. 656 00:38:38,896 --> 00:38:42,758 And so she and my mom got in a verbal argument. 657 00:38:42,758 --> 00:38:45,655 Paige grabbed the knife block, 658 00:38:45,724 --> 00:38:49,793 and hit my mother in the head with a knife block, 659 00:38:49,793 --> 00:38:52,827 and then proceeded to stab her 79 times. 660 00:38:54,655 --> 00:38:58,655 And she bit her dozens of times. 661 00:38:58,724 --> 00:39:01,344 My sister obliterated 662 00:39:01,413 --> 00:39:02,965 my mother. 663 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,310 She broke off knife tips in my mother. 664 00:39:07,793 --> 00:39:11,482 How much do you hate someone 665 00:39:11,482 --> 00:39:15,241 to do that, to stab them 79 times? 666 00:39:16,689 --> 00:39:18,965 Paige is an absolute monster. 667 00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:44,103 I think it's hard to imagine any human 668 00:39:44,103 --> 00:39:45,551 being able to act that way, 669 00:39:45,551 --> 00:39:48,551 especially somebody that you knew, and somebody 670 00:39:48,551 --> 00:39:50,137 you loved and were close to. 671 00:39:51,896 --> 00:39:54,965 When Paige 672 00:39:54,965 --> 00:39:56,965 killed my Gran, 673 00:39:56,965 --> 00:39:59,655 she took away possibilities, 674 00:39:59,655 --> 00:40:01,551 you know, of my Gran seeing me 675 00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:06,137 graduate from high school and college and me getting married 676 00:40:06,137 --> 00:40:08,448 and her seeing her great-grandchildren. 677 00:40:10,896 --> 00:40:13,241 I still have nightmares. 678 00:40:13,241 --> 00:40:15,655 I'm on PTSD medication 679 00:40:15,655 --> 00:40:19,758 that is specifically for having night terrors. 680 00:40:20,965 --> 00:40:24,448 I would be dreaming that Paige was standing in my room, 681 00:40:24,517 --> 00:40:26,586 watching me sleep. 682 00:40:26,586 --> 00:40:29,482 It really felt like she was haunting me, 683 00:40:29,482 --> 00:40:32,172 like I was 684 00:40:32,172 --> 00:40:35,275 never going to escape her, and even though she was locked up 685 00:40:35,275 --> 00:40:38,931 in prison, she was still tormenting me. 686 00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:47,965 I think that 687 00:40:47,965 --> 00:40:50,862 she could kill again -- she's done it before, 688 00:40:51,896 --> 00:40:55,448 and she probably holds a lot of anger towards us now. 689 00:40:55,448 --> 00:40:57,137 She would have absolutely nothing to lose 690 00:40:57,137 --> 00:40:59,137 if she came after us. 691 00:40:59,137 --> 00:41:01,758 The worst that could happen is she goes back to jail, 692 00:41:01,827 --> 00:41:06,965 where she has friends and she has meals and she has a bed 693 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,965 and she has everything that she needs right there. 694 00:41:09,965 --> 00:41:12,551 I think that if anybody 695 00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:14,655 were to be a target, it would be my mom. 696 00:41:16,965 --> 00:41:19,482 GINGER: I'm not afraid for myself. 697 00:41:19,482 --> 00:41:22,137 I have never been afraid of Paige. 698 00:41:22,137 --> 00:41:26,965 I fear for anyone who comes across her. 699 00:41:27,862 --> 00:41:30,103 I have absolutely no desire 700 00:41:31,137 --> 00:41:34,413 to see Paige or hear from her. 701 00:41:36,896 --> 00:41:39,517 And actually, she's not allowed to contact us. 702 00:41:42,689 --> 00:41:44,862 I think that she already knows that 703 00:41:44,931 --> 00:41:47,413 she disgusts us, 704 00:41:48,482 --> 00:41:49,862 disgusts me, 705 00:41:50,896 --> 00:41:52,551 that I think she's an animal. 706 00:41:54,689 --> 00:41:58,448 I think whenever you're subjected to any kind 707 00:41:58,448 --> 00:42:00,655 of tragedy, it changes you, 708 00:42:00,724 --> 00:42:04,758 and I think you have to eventually choose 709 00:42:04,758 --> 00:42:06,965 for yourself 710 00:42:06,965 --> 00:42:09,448 if you're gonna let that destroy you 711 00:42:10,586 --> 00:42:12,275 or let it make you stronger.