I'm looking at a picture of Bob Duke.
He's scary-looking.
He looks like the murderer that he is.
This tore the community apart.
It tore us under and-and it ripped
right down the middle.
Half the community thinks I made it up.
You never wanted to believe it was an accident.
I was in such turmoil.
I was lost. I was just... I was a shell.
I was-I was crippled. Emotionally crippled.
He put me through a lot of hell.
For me, that is...
That's the eyes of evil right there.
That's-That's bad [bleep]
He murdered the two people in the world
that trusted him the most.
I was nobody. I was afraid for...
my parents, my wife, for my children.
I was afraid for everybody.
It was terrifying.
But I made the mistake of not believing
he's capable over the first time,
and I wasn't gonna do it again.
I cannot watch people die at his hand again.
Knowing full well that I could have done something about it.
You know, that's something I live with every day. Is the fact that
I didn't say anything and he murdered 'em.
I wish I could have believed that he was capable of that.
They would still be here. [sniffles]
[inhales and exhales deeply]
[distorted]
[creaking]
[door creaking]
That's a picture of Bob.
That's pretty much when we first started hanging out.
A long time ago.
I cared for him deeply. We were best friends.
He was like the brother I never had.
And, uh, you know,
if things had happened differently,
we'd probably still be friends.
He was clean-cut.
All-American cross country runner.
Straight A's. He was, you know...
every parent's, you know, dream child, I'd imagine.
Even my dad thought Bob was better than me.
My own dad.
He thought Bob was great.
He wanted me to be more like Bob.
Looking at this picture, I see innocence. [scoffs]
Compared to-to what he became later.
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt
that Bob would have killed again and again and again.
He was a monster.
This is a picture of me in...
I want to say, my junior year?
Maybe my sophomore year.
I was kind of a nerd.
I'm still pretty overweight.
I actually was born in Salt Lake,
lived in Idaho till I was about nine years old,
and then moved up here to Wyoming.
And I was, you know,
kind of messed with.
We call bullying nowadays. But...
uh, I was-I was given grief for being heavy.
I just kind of kept to myself.
I didn't have a lot of friends.
Everything's really cliquish at school,
and I kinda didn't fit into any of 'em.
I knew who Bob Duke was 'cause he was
schoolteachers kid and, you know, he wore the nice clothes.
You know, he was kind of the prep.
You know, the kids that, kind of uppity.
They did really well in school.
They were popular.
You weren't of his clique, he would just down dress you.
He was arrogant. He was an [bleep]. Yeah.
He was really mean to people for no reason.
Thought he was better than everybody.
When he bullied you, it was personal.
It was like, didn't complete his day
if he wasn't messing with someone.
There was this girl that was kinda heavy, too, and...
I remember one day he thought it would be really funny
to take a hat pin
and walk by her in the hall and stab her with it
and then walk off.
Of course, she screamed out and freaked out
and went to the nurse.
He definitely, you know, meant to hurt her.
Uh, it was, and he thought it was funny about it.
But I thought that was really messed up, you know?
But, um, anyone else that would have done that,
and I just didn't really care for him.
Bob had been putting me down and just degrading me
and bullying me for at least a year.
And... that's when...
[chuckles] ...I guess I'd had enough
and he'd push me to the edge.
So the bell was about to ring.
And I wanted to be early 'cause I like to be early
'cause I'm gonna pick a seat, usually in the back.
And, uh, he was walking ahead of me
talking to someone, just being...
being Bob. Just being very,
you know, arrogant and impudent. And...
I asked him, "Excuse me," to get by him.
He said something like, calm down, fat boy or...
or chill out or something. It was very condescending.
And at that point...
I guess I snapped.
Screw you.
[Bob groans]
I shoved him
and proceeded to throw a pounding on him.
This is the first time I ever been in a fight,
but I just had enough from him.
I had enough of being talked down to and had enough of...
you know, that him thinking he's better than everybody.
I hit him, like, four times.
I expected him to fight back.
But he just stood there and looked at me dumbly.
And, uh, I hit him hard enough, actually,
that he ended up having a big lump.
The teachers intervened.
We took Bob down to the nurse and...
then the ambulance.
They thought he had a concussion.
He actually had to go to the hospital.
And they took me to the principal's office.
And then the police were called
and I got a three-day suspension.
When I came back, I was actually...
Had some sort of popularity. I had... I...
I had people coming up to me saying,
"Hey, man, good job," you know?
'Cause they'd seen the way Bob was, too.
I expected an entirely different welcome.
I expected, you know, everyone be like, "You're a jerk."
You know? "We don't want to hang out with you."
I realized after that happened when people started coming up to me,
telling me, "Good job." [chuckles] That I wasn't the only
victim in this.
When I seen him first time, the way he treated people,
but I realized that the scope of...
people that-that really didn't like him.
He preyed upon the weak
because it made him feel better about himself and made him feel powerful.
After that incident, Bob didn't mess with me anymore.
He didn't see me as a pushover anymore.
We were both really into fitness.
Even though I was still a fat kid, I was trying not to be.
So I went to work out, and Bob was there.
Hey, Roger.
Didn't know you were into working out.
And we're like, "Hey, man, would you spot me?"
That's how our friendship blossomed, looking back.
We realized our interests were similar.
Did you see that new action movie yet, dude?
Which one?
We used to watch hitman movies where, you know,
the hitman would make thousands of dollars for,
you know, a moment of time.
You know, killing someone, pulling a trigger.
[Bob Duke] It's freaking sick, man.
He fights off, like, three guys at once.
[Roger Brauburger] And we talked about what a great life will be,
you know, making all that money.
And that would be so cool, you know, and...
I didn't think anything of it.
[inaudible]
For me, it was all talk.
Even though we talked about it,
romanticized about it, I never thought
in a million years that Bob thought it was an option.
Even if-if I go back and tell myself
then what I know now,
I don't know if I'd believe me, myself.
You don't wanna believe that anyone's capable of murder.
[mimicking gunshot]
So Bob and I talked about
how badass it would be to be that agile, and...
you know, and I learned that style of, you know, fighting.
And we decided to join taekwondo.
He was a lot better than I was at it.
I mean, he could whoop my ass by then.
I mean, he was... He had the skills and...
and he was just a stronger, a lot stronger than me.
It was at the point where he was actually helping teach a class,
'cause he was that good.
We had this one tournament we were fighting each other
for first and second place. And...
I had thrown a fake roundhouse.
So I threw my foot over his head,
touched down with the ball of my foot
and came back and got him with a point.
And that really upset him.
I could see the rage in his eyes.
In that moment, I was looking in the eyes
of a predator and I was the prey.
I was-I was just... I was a loose end.
And it was terrifying.
When the ref said go again, he just came at me and...
It was a brutal attack.
He wasn't trying to pull any punches.
It wasn't about scoring points.
It was about beating on me.
It was to beat my ass.
And, of course, the ref had to stop the fight.
Stand us both back up and they took a point from him and gave him a warning.
And then we continued.
Even though we were buddies,
I know Bob always kind of looked down on me.
I think when I got the point off of Bob,
it was a personal insult to him.
And then, you know, it was over from that point. He was...
He was done playing.
And he ended up winning the bout.
Of course, we had to stand up there to get the trophies.
But after that, he just didn't have anything
to do with me, really, for a couple of weeks.
I don't think Bob thought
that anyone could be better than him at anything.
I think-think he thought he was the smartest, the best.
He was successful at anything he put his mind to.
I always knew he thought he was better than me.
Didn't bother me.
It wasn't something I dwelled on.
It wasn't like, "Oh, well, he thinks I'm a loser."
We were friends.
And at the time, you know, I mean, I just went along with it.
I look back and I just wonder how much he was using me
and how much was actually friendship.
And at the same time I'm repulsed
that I ever called him friend.
You know, because of how evil he is.
Just absolutely, positively evil.
[Roger] So when we were in high school, Bob talked about going to college.
You know, he wanted to do something,
get out of this town and do something with his life.
This town was too small for him.
Man, I can't wait to get out of here.
[Roger] My parents didn't have the money for college,
and once I got into high school and I started doing drugs
and my grades went downhill directly.
So scholarships weren't in my future either.
But I'm sure they were for him.
He didn't want to stay here. He didn't want to be tied here.
I'm so sick of this place.
[Roger] I expressed several times University of Michigan.
What about you and Liana?
But, uh, somewhere in our junior year,
Bob started dating a girl who was a sophomore.
What are you guys doing out here?
Liana was a very pretty girl.
And she was all about Bob. She doted on him.
She worshipped the ground he walked on. I mean...
she-she wanted a life with him from day one.
She wanted a family. She wanted,
you know, the white picket fence and the two and a half kids.
It was our senior year in high school
when Bob had mentioned to me that she was pregnant.
And he felt, uh, a lot of anxiety.
He didn't know what he was gonna do.
How his life was gonna change. He was really uncertain.
I'm sure he probably had the-the abortion talk with her.
You know, her being a Mormon,
I'm sure that, you know, I think this isn't an option.
He told me that he felt pressured to marry her.
He thought his life was over and his plans were shot.
Bob never was... He never really shared a lot,
emotionally to me.
I mean, glimpses here and there.
But he kept that facade, you know?
He show... he showed people what he wanted to show 'em.
So to catch cracks here and there, it was pretty rare.
This was the wedding day.
Bob and Liana's wedding day.
Yeah.
That's an old picture. It's crazy.
Again...
innocence, uh, you know,
beginnings, new beginnings, and...
So much hope. You know?
So much hope.
That it would be the same day as their graduation.
Graduated at ten, he was married at two.
And he was... freaking out a little bit.
You could tell he was a little distraught.
This was a turning point.
He had a beautiful woman and a great career.
He was successful.
I don't think Bob seen it that way.
I think the carpet laying business
was just something to make money.
I don't think that's anything he really wanted to do for a living.
He was forced to make changes to become...
more responsible and be responsible
for the lives of his wife and son.
Bob kept their relationship separate from our relationship
enough that I never really got to see them interact
but once or twice, in the whole time I knew him.
[man] Yeah, it's about to get pretty busy.
[Roger] My dad was a carpenter.
So I started learning carpentry when I was 12.
And Bob knew that. Occasionally hired me to do the...
the woodwork or, you know,
trim work or whatever.
One time we came back to his house from doing a job
and he was gonna pay me for my time.
And Erik came rushing up.
"Daddy! Daddy." And I seen him stiff-arm him,
and say, "Liana, take care of your son."
Get this kid out of here.
Roger and I are trying to talk.
His son stopped in his tracks
and looked like he was heartbroken.
Then Liana came and whisked him away.
Daddy's just busy, okay?
You don't stiff-arm your child, you know.
I don't know. It's just... It's stuck in my mind.
And to this day, like, I can see it...
like it was yesterday. It stuck in my mind. It's...
just, like, what the f... What the hell are you doing?
You know? That's your child.
Maybe, hey, pick him up and hug him and...
you know, hold him and then, you know, write me a check
or say, "Hey, I'll be with you in a little while, buddy."
You know? Yeah, it didn't seem right.
In my mind, maybe he was just having a bad day
and just wanted to get me paid and get me out on my way.
So he could be a family man.
But it didn't- it didn't seem like that to me.
It seemed too commonplace.
Just to knee-jerk reaction.
Like it wasn't... It just didn't sit right.
Even before I have-had children, it didn't sit right
that he would stiff-arm your son
as he's running to you. You know?
It wasn't the lack of emotions,
but it was almost the opposite.
Like, Erik was a nuisance, and that was it.
This is a picture of Bob and his son Erik.
And one of the few pictures actually where I see them together.
And, uh... God, he was a cute little kid, man.
He's just adorable.
Looked just like Bob. A spitting image.
I mean, he could not deny it was his-it was his son.
Bob loved that pickup.
He was always cleaning it and taking care of it. What not.
I honestly believe he loved that truck more than he did his family.
That's the way it seemed to me.
Even in this photo, you know, it's...
He's not holding Erik, he's holding his truck.
I don't know. [exhales]
I didn't see a lot of love on Bob's part
to love and affection towards Erik or Liana.
Thanks for the ride, man. See you tomorrow.
Actually, hang on a second.
[Roger] Bob and I had finished a job,
and he says, "Hold on a second. I want to talk to you."
He's like, "Remember when we talked about murder for hire stuff?"
I'm like, "Yeah, and how he's ever been like.
Yeah, we talked about that years ago."
And, uh, he says, "Well, I-I want you to...
I want you to kill my wife and kid."
I'm, like, "What?"
I mean, I'd pay you for it.
[Roger] And he offered me $15,000.
And... I was taken aback.
I was like, "What the hell?" You know? And...
I told him that was laughable.
It was... Dude, what the hell?
You know. Get a divorce.
Are you kidding?
[scoffs]
I kind of blew it off.
I didn't think nothing of it, you know.
Like, probably he's... He's lost his dad marbles.
You know, he'll do the right thing.
And then, uh,
he offers me $20,000 to kill 'em.
He was like, "Well, I'll up it to $20,000."
He goes, "I even have a plan."
He says, "This Wednesday, I'll be barbecuing.
I'm gonna leave a .22 out behind the shed."
He said, "I want you to shoot me in the arm, try and miss the bone,
shoot my wife and kid in the head and chest.
You know, vital shots,
and then take out as many neighbor kids as you need to,
to make it not look so isolated."
He says, "Then run down the hill.
There'll be a car waiting for you."
Bob had this big plan, this big, elaborate plan
for me to-to get away with it.
No way, man. [chuckles]
[Roger] Well, it was so outrageous,
I'm not even sure what I said to him, but I blew him off.
I never thought in a million years he could kill anybody.
I think he probably thought he could talk me into it.
Maybe I was that... He thought I was that much of a follower,
or that we were that close of friends that I could do him a favor.
I was trying to be the friend...
to listen to him vent.
And I figured if he talked about it long enough,
he'd realize how ridiculous he was being.
[Bob] I can make it worth your while.
Look, Bob, this isn't funny, man.
You're making a joke, right?
Yeah, but he wasn't joking.
What, do you need more money?
[Roger] He says, "Look, what's it gonna take?"
Just name your price.
[Roger] And I said this...
Still trying just to get him to-to drop it.
And I said, um, "$23,000."
He goes, "Fine. For $23,000,
I don't want to know when, and I don't want to know where.
I just want it done."
And he says, "And no funny stuff with my wife."
I'm like, "Okay, bud. Whatever."
And I blew it off, and that was it.
When I called my mother, she was crying.
"Something terrible has happened."
Wait. What happened?
And she told me Bob's wife and kid have fallen off a cliff in the gorge.
They're dead.
I think I dropped the phone.
I felt ill.
I felt anxiety, and I wanted to throw up.
I just, I knew it wasn't an accident.
Well, that's the cliff. [sighs]
Bob said that they were up on the cliff, supposedly picnicking.
Erik was chasing a lizard and got too close to the edge.
And Liana went to grab him and they both went over
So, this cliff would be the equivalent...
Eight hundred and eighty feet is the equivalent
to about an 18-story drop.
From this drop, it, no one would survive that.
And it would be a very brutal and very painful
and terrifying way to die.
This is a huge cliff.
To, uh, walk out on that,
I don't know if you can see the picture or not,
there's no safe place to picnic on that cliff.
And it's all loose shale.
It's very foreboding and treacherous.
It's not a place you would take your family for picnic.
Wyoming, especially this area,
especially out towards the Flaming Gorge Reservoir area,
the wind always blows.
So, on this particular,
on this particular cliff,
it's, it's easily a 30, 40 miles an hour consistent wind.
I mean, uh,
on a calm day, it's 30 miles an hour.
There's no absolutely, positively no way
that Liana got out of that Jeep
or let Erik get out of Jeep and said,
"This is a great place, let's picnic."
No mother would let their child get out of the Jeep
in a cliff like that.
It's, it just, it didn't happen.
I think that, uh,
that Bob used this cliff
because he had some sort of plan,
as, uh, the family man
with the family outing gone wrong.
I knew immediately it wasn't an accident.
A few of us were there, like, I think her sister was there.
A couple of family friends.
And Bob was nowhere to be found.
It's, like, an hour and a half.
I went through, like, a box and a half of tissues.
And, uh, he finally shows up.
Well, apparently, he was already planning the funeral.
The day he killed 'em, he was off picking caskets and stuff.
It was crazy.
And he says, "Come outside with me for a minute."
So, we go outside.
And he makes sure this door is closed,
the storm door is closed,
and he looks up at both windows
to make sure they're closed.
He looks me dead in the eye and says,
"I need to know you believe I didn't do this."
And so, that answered any, any question I had,
that answered any doubt I had right there.
And, you know, in my mind's eye,
you know how they say your life flashes before you, before you die?
Like, I had three seconds,
three minutes worth of conversation in my head
in a split second, thinking,
"This had better be, like, the best goddamn acting you've ever done.
You know, 'cause your life depends on it."
So, I looked at him and I said,
"No, no, no. I know we talked about this.
I know we talked about this,
but there's no way you could've done that.
I, you know, no, it didn't even cross my mind, dude."
You know? And so I sold it to him.
You would never do anything to either of them.
Like, he knew I knew.
Okay.
But I was letting him know that he had nothing to worry about because
you know, who's gonna believe me?
So, instantly I know it's not...
It's not an accident.
Now I'm a target 'cause I know too much.
And if he's willing to kill his wife and kid,
you know, I'm just a loose end
and something's gonna happen to me.
I couldn't go to the police.
I mean, there's no way.
I was, uh...
I was very well known
to the police department, to the community.
I was a [bleep] person.
I was a drug addict. I sold drugs.
I robbed people.
My word was worthless.
I had no credibility whatsoever.
Uh, even if I went to the police,
they would laugh me outta there.
I think that his mom might've asked me to be a pall-bearer.
I would've volunteered to do it.
You know, I felt responsible.
I wanted to crawl under a rock.
That's what I wanted to do. [chuckles softly]
And, uh, to help carry that casket,
just, it tore me up pretty good.
I had to be a pall-bearer for his son,
knowing he killed him.
Knowing that if I had said something,
maybe they still would be here.
That was really hard.
So...
[sighs and clears throat]
[sniffles]
[crying softly]
It was tough to carry him to his final resting place.
'Cause the kid deserves more than that.
Bob never cried.
I've never seen him shed a single tear over any of it.
But there was crying everywhere.
And, uh, Bob never shed a tear the whole time.
He didn't cry at the funeral,
he didn't cry the day he killed him.
Everyone thought he was just in shock.
And I had really wanted nothing to do with him after that.
And it's... I stayed away.
I didn't hang out with him, I didn't do any work for him.
We weren't pals anymore.
Uh, I wanted to distance myself as much as I could from him.
You know, [sighs]
I couldn't stomach being around him.
And if, and if the isolation triggered some sort of,
uh, you know, suspicion in him,
then so be it.
But I couldn't be around him.
I couldn't go hang out with him, I...
And he, he was a...
Dude, he was a murderer.
He was a monster.
When he moved to Texas, I was actually kinda relieved.
He was outta town.
I didn't have to see him anymore.
I didn't have to worry about him anymore.
I didn't say anything to anyone about it for the longest time.
In fact, I, I, I buried it.
I just pretended like it didn't happen.
And then he called me from Texas
and brought it all back.
He said something that made my skin crawl.
He said to me, "I've done family before.
I didn't care for it.
Will you kill my parents?"
[Roger] Bob called me out of the blue.
And I'm like, "So, what's going on?"
You know, I'm trying to make small talk and he's like,
"I'm making money, but I have an opportunity to make more money."
Uh, okay. What did you have in mind?
That's when he said, "Look, I've done family before.
I want my parents murdered."
When he said, "I had done family before
and I didn't care for it,"
that's the only thing it could've meant for me,
is that he'd killed his wife and kid.
And that he wanted his parents dead
and he wasn't willing to do it.
He was trying to outsource it.
Then he straight told me,
"If you don't do it, someone else will."
You know, 'cause he...
Him and his brother had taken a life insurance policy out of their parents.
Like, half a million dollar life insurance policy.
"I know you need the money.
That's why I'm offering you first.
It's worth $20,000."
And I was like, Jesus Christ. You know, here we go again.
I'm like, "Well, let me think about it. Let me sleep on it."
Click, you know...
And I was, I was like, "Man, I can't,
I cannot watch people die at his hands again
knowing full well that I could've done something about it."
And I know what he's capable of.
He murdered the two people in the world that trusted him the most.
I mean, he murdered his flesh and blood.
I had to do something.
I had to say something to someone.
But what was I gonna say?
You know? [chuckles softly] Who was I gonna go to?
Who would've believed me?
I didn't expect him to believe me.
But he was the only person I could go to.
And I'm like, "Dad. Here's the deal, man.
This is [bleep] up, but you have to hear this."
My dad knew my history.
He knew my drinking and my drugging.
I've never been a liar,
but he still didn't believe me.
I mean, my dad didn't believe me.
My own dad, who I worked with for 20 years
and my best friend in the world.
We were side by side, I mean, since I was 12 years old.
And [chuckles] he even didn't believe me.
It was unnerving.
Please, Dad, I need your help.
I said, "But this is really, really real.
And this is happening right now."
And then he told me straight up,
"Well, if you truly do believe this,
then you need to get a hold of the police."
Met him in a ballpark middle of the night,
lights off.
Got in the car and told him, you know, this is what's happening.
What do I do?
And he's like, "Well, I'm glad you came to me,
but we need to make, get proof of this
'cause it sounds really, really farfetched, Rog, even for you."
He and another detective came to the house and said,
"Okay, we're gonna set this phone up for a tap
to get these recorded to see if there's any weight in your story."
The FBI and the local PD were recording these conversations.
That was a conversation recorded
where Bob had instructed me
how he wanted me to kill his parents.
I could use a .22.
I felt terrible anxiety
and an almost crippling fear, actually.
The whole time I was talking to him,
and even listening to myself in this recording,
I don't know how he did not get a catch on.
'Cause I sound nervous as hell in this.
I was trying to act casual.
They told me, don't talk casual.
Act like you might wanna do this,
you know, they were giving me some coaching.
But I even sound nervous to myself in that.
All this stuff ran through my mind.
I mean, the what ifs the, the hows,
the how can--
How can it possibly go right?
Let alone how can it go wrong?
A lot hinged on this.
A lot.
My safety, his parents' safety,
this could also quite possibly op--
reopen maybe he killed his wife and kid.
When I hung the phone up, I gave my father a hug.
I said, "Dad, we got him. It's done."
I always wanted it to end.
I didn't wanna have to deal with Bob Duke ever again.
[Roger] The whole thing was terrifying.
But one of his, uh, testimonies during trial
was that this was all just a joke.
And I don't hear any joking in that.
Not a single bit.
He was planning the murder
and he was planning to murder me too.
The FBI said beyond a shot of a doubt,
that he would've killed me,
made it look like a murder suicide.
Like I killed them and then killed myself
because I knew too much.
And Bob knew I knew too much.
So, I was a dead man the whole time.
He was just biding his time.
That's where the FBI had told me
to see if I could get him to say,
"I'd done family before. I didn't care for it."
I remember he asked me if,
"You're not talking to anybody, are you?"
That was, that was terrifying.
'Cause in the back of my mind,
I just knew that he was gonna catch on.
And the whole time I was surrounded by cops in my parents' house.
It felt like he could see through the phone.
And, uh, yeah, it was scary.
I heard a knock on his door and he says, "Hold on a second."
I heard him put the phone on the counter and go to the door
and I heard someone bust the door open
and I heard, "What the [bleep]? "
I heard, "Up against the wall."
And I heard a bunch of rustling around for, like, 30 seconds.
Like, just chaos.
He says, "This is agent Sullen, so you can hang up now."
Click. And that was over.
It was over. He was busted.
And I'm like, "It's done, it's over."
That wasn't over. [laughs]
That was just the beginning.
[Roger] I thought in my mind I didn't have to be afraid.
I thought that finally, my family and I were safe.
And, you know, um...
He was behind bars,
and I figured he'd be behind bars for a very long time.
So, I celebrated.
You know, Bob's finally under arrest
and, you know, he's gonna answer for his crimes.
You know, I thought, "It's over, he's going to prison for life."
Murder for hire,
that's not what they got him on.
After they got him,
um, he applied to interstate commerce,
which is using interstate phone lines to plot or commit a crime.
So, they don't have to take it to trial.
I was really angry.
You know, I'm thinking, "He's going away for life."
He's doing 10 years federal,
which means he'll do 80 to 85 % of his time.
Which means in eight years from the time he's convicted,
I will have to worry about my safety,
the safety of my family.
I'm like, "Holy crap, man.
So, in eight years, I'm a dead man."
And when he gets out of prison,
I'm gonna have to protect my family.
I'm thinking he's thinking of 10,000 different ways up there
to kill me and hurt me every day he's locked up,
'cause he knows it was me.
[chuckles nervously] And yeah, I think I'm, I'm in danger.
My family's in danger.
But it was also enough
to pique the interest of the local prosecutor saying,
"Well, hell, if he killed his parents,
what's to say he didn't murder his wife and kid?"
So, during the trial, I was the first witness, key witness.
You know, he was a big, burly guy, you know?
In prison orange, and he looked all scary and...
And, uh, I'm like, "Man, I'm gonna have to face him in court.
How am I gonna do that?"
And so, I got on the stand and he was staring at me,
and I'm like, "You know what? I'm here because of you."
You know, and that's the attitude I had.
And, uh, this has taken my life.
You've disturbed my life with this crap.
And I started... I stared him down.
And the whole rest of the trial,
he would make eye contact with me.
Exactly like it was just back on the steps at seventh grade.
And he put me in that position.
And I had had enough.
I had enough of, of, of him disturbing my life
and bullying me around
and treating me like a piece of garbage
and that I wasn't worth anything.
Mmm.
Looking at a picture of Bob Duke.
This is, uh,
either just before the trial or just after the trial.
It's scary looking.
He looks like the murderer that he is.
He had no life in his eyes during the trial.
It was scary.
Uh, even my parents said...
They had mentioned it, 'cause they knew Bob growing up.
He'd installed the carpet at my parents' house,
and he'd come over to the house.
You know, my parents knew Bob, I knew Bob's parents.
And they even said, "Wow, that's, that's not Bob.
That's, that's a monster, that's scary."
And if you look at this photo,
you can actually... you're looking into his eyes.
They look dead.
They look like a shark's eyes to me.
I mean, that is...
That's the eyes of evil right there.
The person in this photo
is not the Bob Duke I grew up with.
Absolutely not.
And yes, I do feel fear from this.
Just looking at this photo scares me.
Because he was a scary dude.
At the end, he was scary.
When I found out that he was guilty on six counts,
it truly felt like it was over now.
Well, people [sighs]
people, you know, "Hey, good job," blah, blah, blah.
"You're a hero," and this, that and the other.
And, "I'm so proud of you for doing that."
I tell them, you know, I did the only thing I could do.
'Cause at the end of the day, I've gotta look myself in the mirror.
So, how I get through the day is, what happened happened.
I can't undo that.
I did save his parents life.
He's behind bars where he belongs.
And, you know, I just, I move on.
I, I live my life.
Yeah, I have regrets.
I regret-- I have a lot of regrets.
And when the trial ended
and he got six life sentences out of it,
I felt like his wife and son could finally rest, so.
[sniffles]
I felt like I did them justice.
I was talking to her mom and dad,
and listening to them praise me and thank me,
and all I could do was think about it.
I wish I could've done more.
[sniffles]
I wish I, uh, done [bleep] differently.
So...
I wish I could've believed that he was capable of it. [crying softly]
They would still be here. [sniffles]
It's been rodeo, man.
And I felt like the clown through most of it.
But, uh,
you know, it came out the way it needed to come out,
and any friends that I might've lost through this
weren't true friends anyway.
And people in the community that will gossip no matter what,
they can all kiss my rosy red [bleep].
You know? [laughs]
And, uh, you know, I did what I had to do
and I saved a couple of people's lives,
and I'm, I got through it.
I'm a survivor, not a victim, so.
And I'd do it again if I had to.