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BELINDA: This is difficult
for me to do.
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It's extremely difficult.
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There's several family
members that
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aren't happy that I'm doing it.
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But I'm not here to...
To make my family
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look bad by any means
or anybody look bad.
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If anything was gonna come
out and be discussed
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about Eric,
I wanted it to be the truth,
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and it was gonna be done
on my terms.
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This is my brother.
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If my brother can do
something like this,
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then anybody can do
something like this.
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I carried that burden
for a long time
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that I was responsible.
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I loved Eric.
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I know something
was wrong with him.
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I couldn't fix it.
He's been called evil.
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He's been called a monster.
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Do I think he was evil?
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Sure.
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Wouldn't you have to be
evil to do something like that?
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[The Paper Chase's "What's So
Amazing About Grace?" plays]
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[strings continue
playing sinister tune]
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[static crackling]
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[knock at door] [creaking]
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[banging on door]
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[creaking]
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[water dripping]
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[banging on door] [creaking]
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[sinister chord strikes]
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This was taken
at our church in Arkansas.
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It's my parents,
every one of my siblings.
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It's a loving family in this
picture, and it's before things
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went really crazy.
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Eric's standing behind me.
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I am the seventh child
out of eight,
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and Eric is five years older
than me.
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I have a big smile on my face.
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But I never liked having
my back to him,
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not even in photos.
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To most,
he just looks like a handsome
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teenage young man that's polite
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and standing there with
his family.
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But he...
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was not like the rest of us.
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He was like a chameleon.
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He could turn into whatever he
thought somebody needed him to
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be in order to get whatever it
is he needed from them.
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Looking at him,
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the picture makes him look
handsome and sweet,
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and... but at this age,
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that's the farthest
from who he was.
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Not too many people, if any,
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really knew what
he was capable of.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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I do believe that Eric
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was born a psychopath.
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I think he needed help
at a very early age.
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He couldn't handle "No's,"
he couldn't handle
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anybody trying to correct him.
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He was very defensive
at all times,
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and anything could trigger him.
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One night,
all of the siblings were
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at the dining room table
playing cards,
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and Eric was fine.
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It was normal.
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Everybody was laughing.
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Everybody was having
a good time.
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But I think he was cheating.
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He thought he was gonna win,
and he didn't win doing that.
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Sorry, Eric, cheat all you
want, you're still gonna lose.
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And, I mean,
he literally jumped up.
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I wasn't cheating!
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Just the cards went
all over the table,
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and he just, like,
stormed out of there.
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He just snapped...
It was like a switch.
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It was like he couldn't
control it.
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GIRL: Come on, Eric.
Don't be such a baby. Come back!
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BELINDA: When he did come
back in, he wasn't apologetic.
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Help us pick these up.
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When he got angry
or if something was said
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that he didn't like,
his eyes seemed to get dark.
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He would have his fist
just as tight as he could,
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and he had this look
on his face.
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His lips would be tucked in,
his eyes would be narrowed.
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And it was almost like
he was huffing.
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And I learned that look at
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a very early age,
and it was frightening.
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It was extremely frightening.
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♪♪
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We had rules.
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We didn't grow up
in a naked house.
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The girls changed in their
room with the door closed.
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The boys had their room.
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We didn't share the bathroom
with the boys.
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The first time that I recall
him sneaking up on me,
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I was in the bathroom.
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There was this closet
behind the bathroom door.
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I didn't really realize
he was in that closet
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until I was finished
using the restroom.
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And when I saw the door
to the closet move,
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I didn't know who was in there.
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So I had reached to the door,
and out pops Eric,
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and he just started laughing.
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You scared me. I'm telling mom.
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You better not.
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Then he said, "If you tell
anybody I was in here,
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I'll tell 'em you were lying."
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And it made me so uncomfortable.
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It just gave me this feeling
of, "Wow",
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"I've got to check behind
the bathroom door now and open
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that closet next time I decide
to go to the restroom."
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That wasn't uncommon for him
to do things like that.
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He enjoys scaring... scaring us
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and frightening us,
and... it was...
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who he was.
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My neighbor,
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her daughter got a duck
for Easter,
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and they didn't want to keep it.
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So they asked me if I wanted it,
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and I begged and begged
and begged to keep it.
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And so my mom finally gave in.
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I named it
Yellow Belly Quack Quack.
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She would follow me
all around the yard,
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all around the neighborhood...
I loved her.
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I was like her mom.
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And one day, I remember laying
on my bed with
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the window open, and I was
reading a book and, um,
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I could smell the grass
that had been cut.
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- I remember smelling that.
- [dog barking]
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And then I just remember
hearing a commotion,
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and I just kind of,
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you know, didn't pay
much attention.
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And then I could kind of see out
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the corner of my eye my
brother coming down the hall.
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And he gets in my room, and...
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he has my duck in a box.
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And he said,
"The dogs got your duck."
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And I'm like, "What?"
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Eric's just standing there,
holding the box, like, nothing.
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It was like no emotion,
no emotion whatsoever.
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And my duck is just crying and
making these horrible noises.
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I'm looking at her,
and I'm like,
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"This is not something
a dog would do."
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I mean, it was like one of
her wings was almost gone.
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You could see her insides.
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It was not a dog attack.
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Mom! Mom!
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My mom came in the room,
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and she asked what was going on,
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and Eric immediately said, um,
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"Some dogs got the duck,
and Belinda's upset."
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And so Mom told Eric,
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"Finish her off and bury her."
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You need to do it quick
so she won't suffer.
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[young Belinda sobbing]
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BELINDA: I just remember
getting in my closet.
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I just sat in there and cried.
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I don't know how long
I was in that closet,
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and, um, Eric came back
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and opened the closet door
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and he said, "Oh, I just wanted
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to tell you I buried
your duck alive."
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Yellow Belly was still crying
when I buried her.
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"But I'm sure she's dead now."
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That's what he said.
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He goes,
"Dogs didn't really get her.
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I ran over her
with the lawnmower,"
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and he laughed.
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It was like you could see
his teeth and everything smile.
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It was like...
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pride almost,
because he could just see
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the shock and hurt in my face.
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He enjoyed hurting me.
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He enjoyed hurting my duck.
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It's not normal behavior
for anybody.
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It's just not normal.
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I stayed in that closet
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the majority of the day.
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I just sat there with
the doors closed in the closet.
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I cried myself to sleep.
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That was never brought up again.
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It's just one of
those things that
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happened that you just
don't speak about.
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I never got over that.
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Sorry.
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It's just cruel.
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It's just so cruel.
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And he was happy about it,
which made it worse.
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That left...
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a deep wound on me.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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He knew right from wrong.
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I know he knew right from wrong.
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I think that there were just
these urges that
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he had, and he had
to act out on 'em.
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BELINDA: I don't know why
he felt the need to torture me.
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It was just something Eric did,
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and he did it
on a regular basis.
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I could be sitting in
a room watching cartoons,
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and he would come in
and start pacing,
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and he would have
his fist drawn up and just...
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[inhales and exhales heavily]
just the breathing.
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And if I was engrossed in
the TV, in a cartoon
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or something, you know,
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I would be sitting there
watching it, not really paying
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that much attention.
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He actually would grab my hair
and, like,
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yank my head back and forth
just hard.
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[Young Belinda
shouting indistinctly]
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He'd twist my arm really,
really hard,
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and, like, he would literally
pull my arm up
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as high as he could,
and I would be screaming,
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and he would say,
"Does that hurt?"
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Ow! Stop it! Let go!
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And of course
you're saying, "Yes."
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Please stop."
But it didn't make him stop.
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It was an intentional hurt.
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He's laughing about it,
like it's a game to him.
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Eric, Let go of her.
Stop it! Stop it!
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To him, it was funny...
My younger sister,
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to my knowledge,
he never picked on her.
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And I always thought,
"What did I do
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to make him want to hurt me?"
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I would talk with my mother
about it.
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She said she would
take care of it,
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but I don't believe my mom
knew exactly how to handle him.
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She thought if she could
protect him
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and guide him,
that she could fix him.
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I actually stopped telling my
mom when he would hurt me.
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Because no matter
what he did to me,
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there was no consequences.
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There was no kind of action.
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So I had to realize that Eric
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wasn't gonna change
when it came to me.
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I was... I was an easy target,
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As Eric and I got older,
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he would find new ways to,
um, hurt me.
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It was just... just who he was.
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There was a pool that was just
a few blocks from our house.
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I loved to get in the water
with everybody else,
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but I could be playing,
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and then,
all of a sudden, you know,
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there goes my hair,
and I'm being pulled under.
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I knew immediately that it was
Eric, and underwater
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I went, I was
at the bottom of the pool,
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and I could not get up.
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He's standing on me.
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My eyes were open and I could
see him through the water,
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him looking down at me.
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I'm thinking, "I'm gonna drown,
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and nobody's gonna know,
I'm gonna drown."
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And then all of a sudden,
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I could see there was somebody
else's legs there.
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Somebody pushed him,
moved him off of me.
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And I come up, and I'm choking.
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I remember crying
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just hysterically.
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When I told my sister
what had happened,
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she was very concerned.
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You stay here. I'll go get mom.
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No, don't.
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She said she was gonna
go tell mom and dad,
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and I just would beg her not
to do it, because I didn't need
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him to do something worse
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next time...
With Eric, you never knew
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how much worse it would be.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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This is Eric, I believe
it would be ninth grade.
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It's about the age
where he started
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getting into more trouble
outside of the home.
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I've never liked
this picture of him.
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This smile that
he has on his face,
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I've seen that smile,
and it's so fake.
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And it's almost that smile
where I got away with something,
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the same smile
when he tortured my duck,
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the same smile when he told me
he buried her alive.
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I stayed as far away
from him as I could.
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Eric was getting in trouble
with the law at this point,
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because police officers were
already showing up at our house.
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[siren wailing]
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One day,
a police vehicle pulled up,
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and my dad goes outside to
speak with them,
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and then my mom follows.
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They were out there
for a while and,
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you know, you just wonder
what happened.
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And then my mom came in
and got Eric,
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and he went outside
and talked with them.
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I constantly asked questions.
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Do you know what's going on?
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BELINDA: Then one of
my siblings had said
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something about he vandalized
the school.
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Another one said something
about that
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they were told that he
and one of his friends
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had robbed a grocery store
that they had been working at.
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His anger wasn't just in
the house anymore.
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It was out there.
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He lashed out at people
the same way he lashed out
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at me.
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As Eric got older,
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it wasn't uncommon for
the police to come to our home,
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and the more frequently
they came,
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he had to have done something
really bad for them to
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keep coming,
but I didn't know what.
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Eric! Eric, come back here!
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I just always wondered,
"What did he do now?"
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BELINDA: Eric was a very,
very handsome man
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and very charming.
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He knew how to charm the girls.
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He had a girlfriend
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almost always, and when Eric had
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a girlfriend that he really
cared about,
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he would become basically
a better person.
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I loved the fact
that he was happy,
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because when he was happy,
I felt safe.
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But once they broke his heart,
it was another story.
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There was this one girl that
really, really took Eric,
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I think, by surprise.
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He really liked her,
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and she was so sweet
and just so beautiful.
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And she had
the most beautiful red hair.
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Just beautiful.
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Something happened.
She broke up with him,
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00:18:22,201 --> 00:18:25,937
and it literally just,
like, devastated him.
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00:18:29,308 --> 00:18:31,142
It was almost like
he kind of lost it.
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00:18:33,212 --> 00:18:36,747
Eric would pace the floors
and kind of talk to himself.
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[mumbling indistinctly]
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BELINDA: He would, like, pace
and pace and pace and pace
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and pick up the phone and make
a call, and she wouldn't answer.
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00:18:47,526 --> 00:18:51,696
Then he'd slam the phone down
and pace some more.
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00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:55,266
He started driving by her house.
335
00:18:55,367 --> 00:18:56,701
Then he started knocking
on the door.
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00:18:59,671 --> 00:19:01,739
He wasn't good with being
told no.
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00:19:03,842 --> 00:19:07,645
It was the no
that he couldn't take.
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00:19:07,746 --> 00:19:11,549
I think that's what triggered
something in him.
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00:19:16,488 --> 00:19:23,427
♪♪
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He had an issue
with women with red hair.
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In my point of view, I do
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00:19:30,135 --> 00:19:33,004
believe that there was
a trigger there.
343
00:19:33,105 --> 00:19:35,907
One day, I don't know why
he and I went
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00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:38,409
to town together,
because we never really went
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00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:39,577
anywhere together,
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00:19:39,678 --> 00:19:42,313
but a girl approached him
that apparently liked him,
347
00:19:42,414 --> 00:19:43,414
cute as she could be.
348
00:19:43,515 --> 00:19:46,083
- Hey, Eric.
- Hey.
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00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:47,718
Good to see you.
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BELINDA: And he was nice to her.
351
00:19:50,155 --> 00:19:51,822
Good to see you, too.
352
00:19:51,924 --> 00:19:55,793
But when we went to walk away
from her, I was like,
353
00:19:55,894 --> 00:19:56,994
"Well, she's nice.
354
00:19:57,095 --> 00:19:58,529
She's really cute," and he goes,
"Well, her hair is not
355
00:19:58,630 --> 00:20:00,131
red enough."
- She's pretty.
356
00:20:01,967 --> 00:20:04,435
She's okay.
357
00:20:04,536 --> 00:20:07,138
Then it did not mean
a whole lot to me,
358
00:20:07,239 --> 00:20:10,975
but as years went by, that
comment immediately came back
359
00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:12,944
in to play in my head.
360
00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:18,082
I could just hear that comment
and see the look on his face,
361
00:20:19,484 --> 00:20:23,588
but it didn't really mean that
much to me at that moment.
362
00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:37,235
He started working in Oklahoma,
363
00:20:37,336 --> 00:20:39,270
and when Eric left home,
364
00:20:39,338 --> 00:20:42,240
it was like I could breathe.
365
00:20:42,341 --> 00:20:43,474
It was a relief.
366
00:20:43,575 --> 00:20:48,212
It was almost liberating,
because I didn't have to live
367
00:20:48,313 --> 00:20:51,115
in fear... things became normal,
368
00:20:51,216 --> 00:20:55,553
and I was
finally of age to date.
369
00:20:55,654 --> 00:20:59,323
So I started dating this guy,
dated him for almost two years,
370
00:20:59,424 --> 00:21:02,526
and I ended up being...
Getting pregnant.
371
00:21:02,628 --> 00:21:04,895
Single teenage mom.
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00:21:04,997 --> 00:21:10,201
I had my son,
and as soon as I had him,
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00:21:10,302 --> 00:21:13,337
my parents were leaving
to go to Oklahoma,
374
00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:15,306
because Eric had been arrested.
375
00:21:19,077 --> 00:21:23,080
I was told that Eric was
arrested for robbery,
376
00:21:23,181 --> 00:21:27,451
but I remember one day,
shortly after they had left,
377
00:21:27,552 --> 00:21:30,588
there was a phone call, my
other brother was talking
378
00:21:30,689 --> 00:21:32,990
to my parents, and I kind of got
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00:21:33,091 --> 00:21:36,027
a sense that
this wasn't a burglary.
380
00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:38,729
- Are you serious?
- What's going on?
381
00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:40,898
So I point blank asked
382
00:21:40,966 --> 00:21:43,534
what happened,
why is he in jail?
383
00:21:46,338 --> 00:21:47,538
What'd they say?
384
00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:49,340
He told me the truth.
385
00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:50,675
It's not good.
386
00:21:50,776 --> 00:21:53,511
And said that Eric was
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00:21:53,612 --> 00:21:58,449
accused of raping and beating
two women at gunpoint.
388
00:21:58,550 --> 00:22:00,718
Eric had denied that he raped
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00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,988
these girls, he had said it
was consensual,
390
00:22:04,089 --> 00:22:06,824
but I believe that he did it.
391
00:22:06,925 --> 00:22:10,361
And Eric pled guilty to rape
of the two girls
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00:22:10,462 --> 00:22:13,631
and was sentenced
to 23 years in prison.
393
00:22:13,732 --> 00:22:18,636
♪♪
394
00:22:18,737 --> 00:22:26,737
♪♪
395
00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:30,848
This was taken
396
00:22:30,949 --> 00:22:32,817
shortly after
he got out of prison.
397
00:22:34,586 --> 00:22:38,289
Eric didn't serve his full
term, his full sentence.
398
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:41,425
He was released
on good behavior,
399
00:22:41,526 --> 00:22:44,428
which almost...
400
00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:48,366
is unthinkable to me.
401
00:22:50,435 --> 00:22:52,370
So many people
thought he had changed
402
00:22:52,471 --> 00:22:55,740
and that he was doing so well.
403
00:22:55,841 --> 00:22:58,976
And he had a great job
404
00:22:59,077 --> 00:23:01,946
and was staying out of trouble.
405
00:23:02,047 --> 00:23:06,083
You would like to believe
that he was
406
00:23:06,184 --> 00:23:09,520
going to make it and be
a different person.
407
00:23:09,621 --> 00:23:14,358
But a few months later,
everything did change...
408
00:23:14,459 --> 00:23:17,128
for the worst,
409
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:18,496
and...
410
00:23:21,366 --> 00:23:23,768
in the worst way possible.
411
00:23:28,673 --> 00:23:31,709
My mom wanted to have
a barbecue, a cookout,
412
00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:36,547
and all of us come and see
Eric and visit and have,
413
00:23:36,648 --> 00:23:39,183
like, a little small
family reunion.
414
00:23:39,284 --> 00:23:41,952
When I saw Eric,
it was just nauseating.
415
00:23:43,488 --> 00:23:45,623
I did not feel comfortable.
416
00:23:45,724 --> 00:23:48,426
I wanted to be able to say,
okay, he's changed.
417
00:23:48,527 --> 00:23:49,660
He's learned his lesson.
418
00:23:49,761 --> 00:23:53,931
But I had that bad feeling
419
00:23:54,032 --> 00:23:57,201
that something bad
would happen again,
420
00:23:57,302 --> 00:24:00,337
and I didn't want to be
a part of it.
421
00:24:03,408 --> 00:24:08,012
I actually said something
to him at the grill.
422
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,015
I said, "I need you to be
on your best behavior."
423
00:24:11,116 --> 00:24:12,817
I hope you've really changed,
because mom
424
00:24:12,918 --> 00:24:14,485
and dad can't take much
more of this.
425
00:24:15,821 --> 00:24:18,823
And he said,
"I've served my time,"
426
00:24:18,924 --> 00:24:22,726
and that's all he said about it
was, "I served my time."
427
00:24:22,828 --> 00:24:24,295
Leave me alone.
428
00:24:28,166 --> 00:24:33,304
It wasn't but a few months
after I get this phone call,
429
00:24:33,405 --> 00:24:34,972
[phone ringing]
430
00:24:35,073 --> 00:24:37,174
And it's my oldest sister.
431
00:24:37,275 --> 00:24:39,810
[phone ringing]
432
00:24:39,911 --> 00:24:41,979
Hello?
433
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,182
And she said, "I need you
to wake up," and I said,
434
00:24:45,283 --> 00:24:47,117
"I'm a awake," she goes,
"No, I need you to sit up
435
00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:49,186
and I need you to wake up,"
and I said,
436
00:24:49,287 --> 00:24:51,088
"Okay, what's going on?"
437
00:24:51,189 --> 00:24:54,391
And she said, "I have to tell
you something.
438
00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:58,195
Eric was arrested for murder."
439
00:25:06,972 --> 00:25:08,939
BELINDA: When I got that
phone call from my sister
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00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,175
telling me that Eric had been
arrested for murder,
441
00:25:11,276 --> 00:25:13,878
she told me, you know,
what had been
442
00:25:13,979 --> 00:25:15,613
put out there in the media.
443
00:25:15,714 --> 00:25:18,215
REPORTER: October 11, 1993,
444
00:25:18,316 --> 00:25:20,284
the night
18-year-old Julie Heath's car
445
00:25:20,385 --> 00:25:23,254
was found abandoned
just west of Malvern.
446
00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:26,657
A week later, Heath's body was
discovered in a wooded area,
447
00:25:26,758 --> 00:25:29,059
her throat slashed
with a box cutter.
448
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,730
Apparently, her car had broken
down on the side of the road.
449
00:25:32,831 --> 00:25:37,368
Somebody had stopped to pick
her up to help her,
450
00:25:37,469 --> 00:25:40,804
and her body was found
451
00:25:40,906 --> 00:25:43,407
a week later by a hunter
452
00:25:43,508 --> 00:25:46,810
with some of her clothes
turned wrong side out.
453
00:25:46,912 --> 00:25:50,014
Eric completely denied
killing Julie.
454
00:25:50,115 --> 00:25:53,250
He said that these guys
455
00:25:53,318 --> 00:25:56,420
that were after him
from Oklahoma,
456
00:25:56,521 --> 00:25:58,489
they had kidnapped this girl
457
00:25:58,590 --> 00:26:03,360
and made him watch them kill her
458
00:26:03,461 --> 00:26:07,898
and planted evidence that he
would take the fall, and that if
459
00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:09,633
he didn't take the fall,
460
00:26:09,768 --> 00:26:11,669
then they would come after
his family.
461
00:26:13,338 --> 00:26:15,940
That was the story he had told.
462
00:26:16,041 --> 00:26:19,443
When I heard that story, I did
not believe a word of it.
463
00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,714
When I learned about
Julie's death,
464
00:26:23,815 --> 00:26:26,717
I was thinking how scared
she must have been,
465
00:26:26,818 --> 00:26:29,553
how long she suffered.
466
00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:32,323
It just crushed me.
467
00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:34,625
I mean, she's...
468
00:26:34,726 --> 00:26:38,462
18 years old,
and this is my brother.
469
00:26:38,530 --> 00:26:41,832
If my brother can do
something like this,
470
00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:44,802
then anybody can do
something like this.
471
00:26:44,903 --> 00:26:49,206
And my whole life changed at
that point.
472
00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:58,616
I never seen this before.
473
00:26:58,717 --> 00:26:59,917
[sniffles]
474
00:27:03,154 --> 00:27:04,855
Wow.
475
00:27:04,956 --> 00:27:08,926
I guess these were up
all around town,
476
00:27:09,027 --> 00:27:14,665
I'm assuming... this should
have never happened.
477
00:27:16,234 --> 00:27:18,335
It should have never happened.
478
00:27:18,436 --> 00:27:22,573
Had he still been in prison,
like he should have been,
479
00:27:23,942 --> 00:27:27,244
this little girl would
still be alive.
480
00:27:29,047 --> 00:27:30,914
And he wasn't even
out six months.
481
00:27:31,016 --> 00:27:34,018
It was like five months
or something
482
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,953
when he killed this girl.
483
00:27:36,054 --> 00:27:42,626
♪♪
484
00:27:47,032 --> 00:27:48,332
It was around Christmastime,
485
00:27:49,801 --> 00:27:51,301
and
486
00:27:51,403 --> 00:27:54,204
I had talked with the sheriff
487
00:27:54,305 --> 00:27:59,109
if... was it possible for me
to bring Eric dinner?
488
00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:01,378
I was trying to do
something nice...
489
00:28:01,479 --> 00:28:03,380
Not for Eric really as much
490
00:28:03,481 --> 00:28:07,918
as for my mother, I was trying
to take weight off of her
491
00:28:08,019 --> 00:28:10,387
however I could.
492
00:28:10,488 --> 00:28:13,257
So I go up to the jail,
493
00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:16,860
and he's in this cell when
he comes over to the corner.
494
00:28:18,463 --> 00:28:19,730
And I said, "Hey, you know",
495
00:28:19,831 --> 00:28:22,166
"the sheriff said I could bring
you food for Christmas,
496
00:28:22,267 --> 00:28:27,037
you know, so what is it
you want me to cook?"
497
00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:28,539
Why are you whispering?
498
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,041
Because I need you to do
something for me.
499
00:28:31,142 --> 00:28:34,611
And he said, "There's one thing
I want," and I said, "Okay."
500
00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:35,846
He said,
501
00:28:35,947 --> 00:28:38,449
"I want you to get the murder
weapon and destroy it."
502
00:28:42,854 --> 00:28:44,221
And I just stood there
for a minute,
503
00:28:44,322 --> 00:28:46,156
and I looked at him,
and I'm like, what?
504
00:28:48,126 --> 00:28:49,526
What?
505
00:28:49,627 --> 00:28:51,562
He's like, "Yeah, I need you
to get it and destroy it."
506
00:28:51,663 --> 00:28:54,164
Don't you understand?
507
00:28:57,202 --> 00:29:02,272
I had to look at this
as my brother
508
00:29:02,373 --> 00:29:07,578
just admitted to me that
he actually killed this girl.
509
00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:10,013
And this is the way
that he did it, by
510
00:29:10,081 --> 00:29:13,183
telling me to get a murder
weapon and destroy it.
511
00:29:14,486 --> 00:29:16,487
Why is he telling me this?
512
00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:18,822
Why is he asking me to do this?
513
00:29:20,158 --> 00:29:22,226
He didn't say what
the murder weapon was,
514
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,027
the actual place where
he said it.
515
00:29:24,129 --> 00:29:26,429
It was an old abandoned
gas station.
516
00:29:26,498 --> 00:29:29,700
You know the one,
by the turn off at the lake.
517
00:29:29,801 --> 00:29:32,002
He goes, "I'll give you
a couple of hours,
518
00:29:32,103 --> 00:29:35,973
and then I'm gonna call you
at mom's."
519
00:29:36,074 --> 00:29:37,241
And I said okay.
520
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:40,444
I said, "Okay, I'll do it."
521
00:29:43,148 --> 00:29:46,283
And why I said that,
I'm not sure.
522
00:29:46,384 --> 00:29:47,651
Promise me you'll do this.
523
00:29:47,752 --> 00:29:52,189
BELINDA: Part of me thought
this is ridiculous.
524
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:54,224
I really don't know what
possessed me to go ahead
525
00:29:54,325 --> 00:29:55,859
and go. I really don't.
526
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,728
I mean, I have asked myself
that question
527
00:29:57,829 --> 00:29:59,263
for so many years.
528
00:29:59,364 --> 00:30:06,537
♪♪
529
00:30:09,607 --> 00:30:11,608
I drove out there
and did as he asked,
530
00:30:11,709 --> 00:30:16,013
and, um, I had no idea
what I was looking for,
531
00:30:18,016 --> 00:30:20,184
and as I'm walking around
out there,
532
00:30:20,285 --> 00:30:23,654
I'm thinking to myself,
I can see him right now
533
00:30:23,788 --> 00:30:28,959
just laughing, because he sent
me on this wild goose chase.
534
00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:31,161
There's no murder weapon
out here.
535
00:30:31,262 --> 00:30:36,166
He is playing typical Eric
games, and it's a control thing.
536
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:40,971
I was getting ready to
get back in my car,
537
00:30:41,072 --> 00:30:43,974
and then I saw
this box of cigarettes
538
00:30:44,075 --> 00:30:45,609
that he used to smoke,
539
00:30:48,313 --> 00:30:50,480
and I just kind of
kicked it over,
540
00:30:50,582 --> 00:30:52,516
and underneath it was
this box cutter.
541
00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:01,258
And it was pretty evident
that there
542
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:05,462
was... looked like dried hair
stuck to it,
543
00:31:06,831 --> 00:31:10,601
and I immediately just threw up.
544
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:15,739
I lost it. I knew in my gut
that was the murder weapon.
545
00:31:17,308 --> 00:31:20,711
I didn't know what to do,
because I didn't want to
546
00:31:20,812 --> 00:31:24,014
touch it, didn't have
a cellphone back then.
547
00:31:25,316 --> 00:31:29,419
I pulled my sweater down over
my sleeve, and I picked it up,
548
00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:34,825
put it in the trunk of my car,
and I was like, okay.
549
00:31:35,827 --> 00:31:38,262
I know exactly
what I'm gonna do with it.
550
00:31:44,469 --> 00:31:47,271
I drive straight
to my mother's house.
551
00:31:47,372 --> 00:31:49,973
I knew Eric
was gonna call me there.
552
00:31:50,074 --> 00:31:52,075
- [phone ringing]
- I got the phone call
553
00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:53,977
from Eric,
554
00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:58,282
and I got kind of choked up,
because I wasn't exactly sure
555
00:31:58,383 --> 00:32:01,451
how I was gonna handle this
at this point.
556
00:32:01,552 --> 00:32:03,587
Yes, it was still there.
I found it.
557
00:32:03,688 --> 00:32:05,689
And...
558
00:32:05,790 --> 00:32:07,891
he was in a good mood.
559
00:32:07,992 --> 00:32:11,194
He was happy, and he said,
"Yes, that's it."
560
00:32:11,296 --> 00:32:13,697
And he said, "Did you burn it?"
561
00:32:13,798 --> 00:32:14,898
And I said, "Yes."
562
00:32:14,966 --> 00:32:17,901
And he said, "Thank you for
the Christmas present."
563
00:32:18,002 --> 00:32:19,169
I have to go.
564
00:32:23,007 --> 00:32:27,577
BELINDA:
I felt horrible that I lied,
565
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:32,416
but I know exactly
what I'm going to do with it.
566
00:32:32,517 --> 00:32:34,017
I am turning it in.
567
00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:37,721
I had no doubt from the get-go.
568
00:32:37,822 --> 00:32:41,224
It was like he doesn't
know me at all
569
00:32:41,326 --> 00:32:44,127
if he literally thought
I was gonna destroy it.
570
00:32:46,397 --> 00:32:48,765
I go outside,
because at this point,
571
00:32:48,866 --> 00:32:52,069
I've already decided I'm driving
to the prosecutor's office.
572
00:32:52,170 --> 00:32:53,837
Belinda, wait.
573
00:32:53,938 --> 00:32:55,405
BELINDA: But then mom comes
flying out
574
00:32:55,506 --> 00:32:59,476
the door and is asking me,
"Where is it? Where is it?"
575
00:32:59,577 --> 00:33:02,045
How can you do this?
He's your brother.
576
00:33:02,146 --> 00:33:03,480
I don't have a choice.
577
00:33:03,548 --> 00:33:08,085
One of my siblings had said
something to my mother about
578
00:33:08,186 --> 00:33:09,319
me having the murder weapon
579
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:12,456
in my trunk and that I was
going to turn it in.
580
00:33:12,557 --> 00:33:14,224
She was in tears.
581
00:33:14,325 --> 00:33:16,860
It broke my heart,
582
00:33:16,961 --> 00:33:20,630
but I had to do
what I was raised to do,
583
00:33:20,732 --> 00:33:24,167
what was best for my family,
584
00:33:24,268 --> 00:33:26,203
and I have a little girl.
585
00:33:26,304 --> 00:33:29,606
And if this was my little
girl that this happened to,
586
00:33:29,707 --> 00:33:33,176
I would want whomever to do
the right thing.
587
00:33:33,277 --> 00:33:35,245
Belinda!
588
00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:37,514
And that's why I did what I did.
589
00:33:46,157 --> 00:33:48,291
BELINDA: This is Julie Heath.
590
00:33:52,463 --> 00:33:55,365
I didn't realize how pretty
she really was.
591
00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:56,833
She was a very pretty girl.
592
00:33:58,936 --> 00:34:01,238
Absolutely beautiful red hair.
593
00:34:01,339 --> 00:34:03,507
The red hair...
594
00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:07,778
just really stood out to me.
595
00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:10,414
The first thing I think about
when I see this picture
596
00:34:12,116 --> 00:34:13,683
is how in the hell
597
00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:18,922
he could take
an 18-year-old girl's life.
598
00:34:20,858 --> 00:34:23,026
And when I learned that
she had red hair,
599
00:34:24,595 --> 00:34:28,532
it just made me think that it
was something about
600
00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:31,868
her red hair
that may have set him off.
601
00:34:38,543 --> 00:34:41,645
The conversation that I had
602
00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:43,914
with Eric so many years ago,
603
00:34:44,015 --> 00:34:45,982
it just rung a bell.
604
00:34:48,186 --> 00:34:50,854
Her hair wasn't red enough,
605
00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:53,023
and I just kept saying that
over and over in my head,
606
00:34:53,124 --> 00:34:54,591
her hair wasn't red enough,
607
00:34:57,361 --> 00:35:00,464
and part of me feels like
he enjoyed it,
608
00:35:00,565 --> 00:35:04,134
because I know from how
he tormented me,
609
00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:06,636
the things that he did,
610
00:35:08,072 --> 00:35:10,740
the joy that he got from it,
611
00:35:10,842 --> 00:35:12,542
and...
612
00:35:17,748 --> 00:35:19,282
[sniffles]
613
00:35:21,419 --> 00:35:25,422
It makes me sick...
It just makes me sick.
614
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:28,191
And that's my brother.
615
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,300
He ruined a lot of
people's lives.
616
00:35:45,843 --> 00:35:49,846
I had already told the sheriff,
"I need to talk to him.
617
00:35:49,947 --> 00:35:52,949
"I need to be the one
to tell him what I did,
618
00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:56,253
that I lied to him,
and that I turned it in,"
619
00:35:56,354 --> 00:35:58,321
and he said, "I respect that.
620
00:35:58,422 --> 00:36:00,223
I can make that happen."
621
00:36:01,626 --> 00:36:05,629
And so I get in front of
his cell.
622
00:36:07,131 --> 00:36:09,199
I remember him having this look
on his face, it's like,
623
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:10,967
"What are you doing here at
this hour?"
624
00:36:11,068 --> 00:36:13,136
And I said, "Well, I came to
tell you something."
625
00:36:14,605 --> 00:36:17,908
I just finished giving them
my statement downstairs.
626
00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:21,244
I wanted you to hear it from me,
627
00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:23,213
not from somebody else.
628
00:36:23,314 --> 00:36:25,615
I said, "Eric, I turned
the murder weapon in.
629
00:36:25,716 --> 00:36:28,618
I didn't destroy it.
I turned it in."
630
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:33,823
And he just kind of
looked at me,
631
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,095
and his whole demeanor changed.
632
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:41,298
The jawline got tight,
633
00:36:41,399 --> 00:36:43,333
the eyes narrowed,
634
00:36:43,434 --> 00:36:46,069
and the look in his eyes...
635
00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:48,538
I've seen it before,
636
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:50,173
and it scared me.
637
00:36:51,676 --> 00:36:52,742
I forgive you.
638
00:36:52,843 --> 00:36:54,878
Then he smiled and said,
"Well, come here,
639
00:36:54,979 --> 00:36:57,547
let me give you a hug."
640
00:36:57,648 --> 00:37:00,917
And it was just so out
of character.
641
00:37:01,018 --> 00:37:02,185
Come here.
642
00:37:02,286 --> 00:37:04,521
BELINDA: And he reached
through the bars.
643
00:37:04,622 --> 00:37:08,858
I moved so quickly that I
almost fell trying to get away.
644
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,027
[laughing]
645
00:37:11,128 --> 00:37:13,630
Then you can hear him laughing,
646
00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:16,800
just laughing,
as if it was funny.
647
00:37:16,901 --> 00:37:18,802
Like the whole thing was a joke.
648
00:37:21,706 --> 00:37:27,010
When I was leaving, I saw
649
00:37:27,111 --> 00:37:30,680
my mother talking to
my brother's attorney,
650
00:37:30,781 --> 00:37:33,917
and she looked at me,
651
00:37:34,018 --> 00:37:36,987
and she said,
"What did you do to my son?"
652
00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:41,691
At that point,
I knew that there was
653
00:37:41,792 --> 00:37:46,396
gonna be a huge rift
between my mother and I.
654
00:37:46,497 --> 00:37:48,765
Belinda, this is all your fault.
655
00:37:48,866 --> 00:37:51,234
BELINDA: And his attorney
made it very clear
656
00:37:51,335 --> 00:37:54,571
that I put the nail in the
coffin or the needle in his arm.
657
00:37:54,672 --> 00:37:56,473
He's like,
"You killed your brother.
658
00:37:56,574 --> 00:37:59,943
You just killed your brother.
You know that, right?"
659
00:38:00,044 --> 00:38:02,612
But I... I know that
660
00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:04,881
it wasn't me
that killed my brother.
661
00:38:14,925 --> 00:38:18,628
I do believe that
he deserved the death penalty.
662
00:38:18,729 --> 00:38:21,731
He never said he was sorry
for what he did.
663
00:38:21,832 --> 00:38:25,669
He didn't have the remorse.
664
00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:27,804
He wasn't capable of that.
665
00:38:29,674 --> 00:38:32,676
The day before Eric's execution,
666
00:38:32,777 --> 00:38:34,711
I wanted to get some answers
667
00:38:34,812 --> 00:38:38,081
from him
and arranged a phone call.
668
00:38:38,182 --> 00:38:40,283
I needed...
669
00:38:40,384 --> 00:38:43,820
to know why he put me in
the position he put me in,
670
00:38:43,921 --> 00:38:45,488
and deep down,
671
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:48,692
I wanted him to say,
"Because I knew
672
00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:49,959
you would do the right thing."
673
00:38:50,061 --> 00:38:51,828
Eric, this is the last
chance we'll
674
00:38:51,929 --> 00:38:55,198
ever have to talk...
You owe me an answer.
675
00:38:55,299 --> 00:38:57,634
I said, "Okay, I need to know."
676
00:38:57,735 --> 00:39:00,637
"I need to know why you put me
in this position
677
00:39:00,738 --> 00:39:03,873
"to have to turn in a murder
weapon and testify against you.
678
00:39:03,974 --> 00:39:05,342
Why would you do that to me?"
679
00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:09,546
And he said, "I didn't want to
put anybody else in
680
00:39:09,647 --> 00:39:11,614
that position."
681
00:39:11,716 --> 00:39:13,983
That isn't the answer
that I wanted.
682
00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:16,686
I said,
"You don't know me at all."
683
00:39:16,787 --> 00:39:19,723
And I said, "And I obviously
don't know you."
684
00:39:19,824 --> 00:39:25,495
And unfortunately, that was
our last conversation.
685
00:39:25,596 --> 00:39:27,464
He was executed
the next evening.
686
00:39:39,777 --> 00:39:42,278
On the night of Eric's
execution, I was in
687
00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:45,415
the recliner and I had been
dozing on and off.
688
00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:47,617
[indistinct talking on TV]
689
00:39:47,718 --> 00:39:52,088
And I don't know what it was,
but something just woke me up.
690
00:39:52,189 --> 00:39:55,692
And I said, "It's over.
It's done."
691
00:39:55,793 --> 00:39:58,695
I can feel it.
692
00:39:58,796 --> 00:40:01,331
And my ex-husband said, "No,
693
00:40:01,432 --> 00:40:03,800
they haven't said anything
about it yet."
694
00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:08,872
And then at the bottom of
the screen came across that
695
00:40:08,973 --> 00:40:11,841
Eric Nance was executed,
and it had the time.
696
00:40:11,942 --> 00:40:14,277
[indistinct talking on TV]
697
00:40:14,378 --> 00:40:18,748
And I had no way
of explaining how...
698
00:40:18,849 --> 00:40:20,717
I knew it. It was just weird.
699
00:40:20,818 --> 00:40:22,452
It was like I felt it.
700
00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:26,156
It was... like I felt like
it was finally over.
701
00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:29,225
[indistinct talking on TV]
702
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,402
BELINDA: I kept playing
over and over in my head,
703
00:40:39,503 --> 00:40:42,405
his attorney telling me
704
00:40:42,506 --> 00:40:44,607
that you just killed
your brother, and it...
705
00:40:44,708 --> 00:40:48,044
And that seemed like
it made it actually true.
706
00:40:48,145 --> 00:40:51,915
So I carried that burden
for a long time,
707
00:40:52,016 --> 00:40:54,050
that I was responsible.
708
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,755
I had so many people say,
"No, you killed your brother."
709
00:40:58,856 --> 00:41:02,492
Well, that's their opinion,
710
00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:05,695
and they're entitled to it,
but I didn't kill my brother.
711
00:41:06,964 --> 00:41:09,232
My brother killed a girl,
712
00:41:09,333 --> 00:41:11,234
a little girl, she was 18.
713
00:41:11,335 --> 00:41:15,238
That's a little girl to me,
and, um...
714
00:41:15,339 --> 00:41:18,875
he paid the price for it.
715
00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:22,579
He had to be held accountable
for his actions.
716
00:41:27,218 --> 00:41:29,419
But it was very, very difficult.
717
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,722
I lost a lot of friends over it.
718
00:41:32,823 --> 00:41:34,157
I got divorced.
719
00:41:35,926 --> 00:41:38,228
It is a very, very
small community.
720
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:41,764
So when a family member
does something
721
00:41:41,866 --> 00:41:43,500
so horrific that he did,
722
00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:50,006
people associate you with
that type of behavior.
723
00:41:50,107 --> 00:41:54,811
So you are now known
as Eric Nance's sister.
724
00:41:54,912 --> 00:41:57,480
I don't have a name.
725
00:41:57,581 --> 00:41:59,315
I'm Eric Nance's sister.
726
00:42:01,552 --> 00:42:06,055
I do fear that there's more
people like him out there,
727
00:42:06,156 --> 00:42:09,759
and it's made me very aware
728
00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:11,961
that...
729
00:42:12,062 --> 00:42:14,464
he's not the only person
in this world that's
730
00:42:14,565 --> 00:42:18,067
done these things or will
ever do these things.
731
00:42:19,837 --> 00:42:22,472
I mean,
I get terrified at times.
732
00:42:22,573 --> 00:42:25,942
I'm terrified, because if my
brother could do something
733
00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:28,945
like that, anybody could
do something like that.