1 00:00:02,168 --> 00:00:07,373 ♪♪ 2 00:00:07,474 --> 00:00:09,875 For the first at least couple weeks, 3 00:00:09,976 --> 00:00:11,076 the story was everywhere. 4 00:00:11,177 --> 00:00:12,945 It was in the L.A. Times, it was in, 5 00:00:13,046 --> 00:00:16,448 you know, every newspaper that you would read. 6 00:00:16,549 --> 00:00:18,917 It's been 20 years since any of these 7 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:22,187 stories were in the newspaper or anything like that. 8 00:00:22,288 --> 00:00:25,157 So I thought this whole thing was behind me. 9 00:00:29,295 --> 00:00:31,630 But 18 months ago, I was 10 00:00:31,731 --> 00:00:34,833 diagnosed with an aggressive form of cancer. 11 00:00:34,934 --> 00:00:38,904 And ultimately, I'm looking at not too much longer, 12 00:00:39,005 --> 00:00:40,572 you know, to live. 13 00:00:40,673 --> 00:00:44,710 And if I want to say something, the time is now. 14 00:00:44,811 --> 00:00:48,213 I thought I might as well leave a voice for people 15 00:00:48,314 --> 00:00:52,117 to hear, and this is my voice 16 00:00:52,218 --> 00:00:54,353 that I wanted to add to the conversation. 17 00:00:54,454 --> 00:01:00,826 ♪♪ 18 00:01:03,396 --> 00:01:05,597 Yeah, it's okay. It's okay, buddy. 19 00:01:17,110 --> 00:01:19,845 You know, it's hard to 20 00:01:19,946 --> 00:01:22,581 call someone you married evil, because you don't 21 00:01:22,682 --> 00:01:25,150 ever really want to say that, 22 00:01:25,251 --> 00:01:30,489 but I think I always saw the potential for evil in him. 23 00:01:45,505 --> 00:01:49,108 Maybe it wasn't a fully formed evil at the time, 24 00:01:49,209 --> 00:01:53,545 but it was definitely simmering in there. 25 00:02:05,492 --> 00:02:08,360 It's a scary thought that there are people that 26 00:02:08,461 --> 00:02:11,130 are just walking around out there pretending to be... 27 00:02:12,298 --> 00:02:13,365 human beings. 28 00:02:16,402 --> 00:02:18,036 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 29 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:21,073 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 30 00:02:21,174 --> 00:02:26,178 [static crackling] 31 00:02:26,279 --> 00:02:27,946 [knock at door] [creaking] 32 00:02:28,047 --> 00:02:33,118 [banging on door] 33 00:02:33,219 --> 00:02:38,390 [creaking] 34 00:02:38,491 --> 00:02:41,026 [water dripping] 35 00:02:41,127 --> 00:02:44,229 [banging on door] [creaking] 36 00:02:44,330 --> 00:02:45,898 [sinister chord strikes] 37 00:02:51,271 --> 00:02:55,307 ♪♪ 38 00:02:55,408 --> 00:03:00,078 This is the only existing photo from any time that 39 00:03:00,213 --> 00:03:02,548 we, you know, had together. 40 00:03:02,649 --> 00:03:06,485 This is a photo of Wayne and I at our wedding reception. 41 00:03:06,586 --> 00:03:09,655 We had eloped. 42 00:03:09,756 --> 00:03:13,492 We were married at 19 years old. 43 00:03:13,593 --> 00:03:15,894 I took a lot of pride in dating a Marine. 44 00:03:15,995 --> 00:03:19,097 It all falls into that romantic mystique of 45 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:21,867 the tall, dark stranger. 46 00:03:21,968 --> 00:03:25,137 You know, handsome, doesn't say much, 47 00:03:25,238 --> 00:03:29,241 that whole package deal... It just didn't 48 00:03:29,342 --> 00:03:34,046 turn out the way that I had hoped. 49 00:03:34,147 --> 00:03:39,351 He always had all of these dark fantasies in his head. 50 00:03:39,452 --> 00:03:41,954 I'm not proud 51 00:03:42,055 --> 00:03:44,456 that my first husband was a serial killer. 52 00:03:50,096 --> 00:03:55,601 ♪♪ 53 00:03:55,702 --> 00:04:03,702 ♪♪ 54 00:04:05,478 --> 00:04:09,281 We hadn't lived together before we got married. 55 00:04:09,382 --> 00:04:12,918 So now, all of a sudden, we're in each other's space. 56 00:04:13,019 --> 00:04:19,057 And there was a distinct change in how he treated me. 57 00:04:19,158 --> 00:04:24,763 It became obvious that he wanted a trophy wife. 58 00:04:24,864 --> 00:04:30,168 One day, he brought me a gift, and I was surprised. 59 00:04:30,236 --> 00:04:33,338 Hey, what's this? 60 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:35,540 A little something for you. 61 00:04:35,642 --> 00:04:38,810 He didn't really give gifts, celebrate anything, 62 00:04:38,911 --> 00:04:42,247 even birthdays or anything like that. 63 00:04:42,348 --> 00:04:46,652 And when I opened it up, it was a bikini. 64 00:04:46,753 --> 00:04:48,787 - Very skimpy. - Ohhh. 65 00:04:48,888 --> 00:04:52,357 I could tell immediately what it was for. 66 00:04:52,458 --> 00:04:53,392 It was for show. 67 00:04:53,493 --> 00:04:59,765 ♪♪ 68 00:04:59,866 --> 00:05:00,966 Wow. 69 00:05:01,067 --> 00:05:03,635 What happened that weekend was we had 70 00:05:03,736 --> 00:05:07,873 a pool party with, you know, his friends. 71 00:05:07,974 --> 00:05:12,577 He wanted everybody to see how sexy his wife is. 72 00:05:12,679 --> 00:05:18,850 He reveled in the other Marines being jealous of him. 73 00:05:18,951 --> 00:05:20,686 I mean, 74 00:05:20,787 --> 00:05:25,390 don't you think I should wear something a little less... 75 00:05:25,491 --> 00:05:28,193 I don't know, revealing? - No. 76 00:05:30,296 --> 00:05:32,164 KELLY: I was definitely an introvert. 77 00:05:32,265 --> 00:05:33,565 I had a tendency normally to, 78 00:05:33,666 --> 00:05:36,401 like, stay inside when they would have the parties. 79 00:05:36,502 --> 00:05:37,703 But he wouldn't let me. 80 00:05:37,804 --> 00:05:41,340 He wanted me out there wearing that bikini. 81 00:05:41,441 --> 00:05:43,041 What, you don't like it? 82 00:05:43,142 --> 00:05:46,311 No, it's great. Thank you. 83 00:05:46,412 --> 00:05:49,247 I felt humiliated. 84 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:50,649 I felt cheap. 85 00:05:50,750 --> 00:05:53,218 I felt used. 86 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,188 Well, hurry up. Put it on. They'll be here soon. 87 00:05:56,255 --> 00:05:59,858 KELLY: I felt objectified, and he didn't care. 88 00:05:59,959 --> 00:06:01,460 It didn't matter how I felt. 89 00:06:01,561 --> 00:06:03,528 It was what he wanted. 90 00:06:03,629 --> 00:06:04,863 I was a possession. 91 00:06:04,964 --> 00:06:07,933 I was an object, the shiny object 92 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:10,736 that... that he wanted to show off, 93 00:06:10,837 --> 00:06:13,472 but I got a gift, 94 00:06:13,573 --> 00:06:16,274 and I certainly wasn't going to tell him 95 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:17,509 that I wasn't gonna wear it 96 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:20,912 or that I didn't like it, because that would result 97 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:22,247 in him getting mad 98 00:06:22,348 --> 00:06:24,850 because I rejected a present that he finally gave me. 99 00:06:27,186 --> 00:06:31,189 So that was when he started objectifying me, 100 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:33,492 and then I just became... 101 00:06:35,027 --> 00:06:36,128 disposable. 102 00:06:36,229 --> 00:06:44,229 ♪♪ 103 00:06:44,370 --> 00:06:47,239 ♪♪ 104 00:06:47,340 --> 00:06:49,908 Every once in a while, Wayne and I would get together 105 00:06:50,009 --> 00:06:54,212 with his friends and go over to their house and play cards. 106 00:06:54,313 --> 00:06:57,449 This one night, I... 107 00:06:57,550 --> 00:06:59,851 didn't throw down the card he wanted. 108 00:07:02,221 --> 00:07:04,022 - We're leaving. - Why are we leaving? 109 00:07:04,123 --> 00:07:05,824 Because, you screwed everything up. 110 00:07:05,892 --> 00:07:07,626 KELLY: Wayne grabs me and says, 111 00:07:07,727 --> 00:07:11,329 "We're going home," and I get in the car. 112 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:15,333 He was driving, and all of a sudden, it's like all his rage 113 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:17,202 started to come out, and he started driving, 114 00:07:17,303 --> 00:07:18,603 like, really fast. 115 00:07:18,704 --> 00:07:21,473 [engine revving] 116 00:07:21,574 --> 00:07:23,008 Wayne, slow down! 117 00:07:24,477 --> 00:07:26,478 I screamed at the beginning 118 00:07:26,546 --> 00:07:29,014 to, you know, stop, stop, stop, slow down. 119 00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:32,350 But me screaming at him was just making him drive faster. 120 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:35,654 Please, Wayne, slow down. I don't understand. 121 00:07:35,755 --> 00:07:36,721 KELLY: I was petrified. 122 00:07:36,823 --> 00:07:40,425 I was terrified of what he was doing and had 123 00:07:40,526 --> 00:07:45,297 no control over it and basically was at his mercy. 124 00:07:45,398 --> 00:07:46,965 Just slow down. 125 00:07:47,066 --> 00:07:49,167 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 126 00:07:49,268 --> 00:07:52,137 He got, like, a sick glee 127 00:07:52,238 --> 00:07:54,339 out of me cowering. 128 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,844 - Stop, okay? - You want me to stop? Fine. 129 00:07:58,945 --> 00:08:01,913 KELLY: He was getting pleasure out of scaring me. 130 00:08:03,216 --> 00:08:07,118 He was happy that his intimidation was working. 131 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:09,387 He didn't care if he killed himself, too. 132 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:11,223 You could have killed us! 133 00:08:12,725 --> 00:08:17,629 It was more important to him that I was scared 134 00:08:19,031 --> 00:08:21,900 and that I... He was making his point. 135 00:08:22,001 --> 00:08:24,269 All of it was an intimidation thing, 136 00:08:24,370 --> 00:08:27,105 to let me know he was angry. 137 00:08:27,206 --> 00:08:30,308 And I also honestly believe that he was angry that 138 00:08:30,409 --> 00:08:33,378 he had to control himself in front of his friends. 139 00:08:33,479 --> 00:08:41,479 ♪♪ 140 00:08:42,488 --> 00:08:43,889 AS WAYNE: You are such an idiot! 141 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:45,690 Can't you do anything right? 142 00:08:45,791 --> 00:08:47,425 KELLY: In his mind, 143 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:50,695 I think I wasn't living up to quite 144 00:08:50,796 --> 00:08:53,665 the expectations that he had been hoping for. 145 00:08:53,766 --> 00:08:55,634 And those started being reflected 146 00:08:55,735 --> 00:08:56,835 in how he treated me. 147 00:08:56,936 --> 00:08:58,103 AS WAYNE: What was I thinking, 148 00:08:58,204 --> 00:09:00,105 marrying a stupid bitch like you? 149 00:09:00,206 --> 00:09:03,108 KELLY: The criticisms began at that point in time, 150 00:09:03,209 --> 00:09:05,744 little put-downs, the micro-aggressions. 151 00:09:05,845 --> 00:09:07,746 AS WAYNE: You know, you're not as hot as you think you are! 152 00:09:07,847 --> 00:09:10,615 It would be nice if you put in a little effort. 153 00:09:10,716 --> 00:09:12,717 I could never make a correct decision. 154 00:09:12,818 --> 00:09:15,720 There was always something wrong, so I worked all day. 155 00:09:15,821 --> 00:09:19,024 Then I had to come home and create these, 156 00:09:19,125 --> 00:09:21,393 you know, three-course meals. 157 00:09:21,494 --> 00:09:24,529 AS WAYNE: I work all day, and this is what I come home to?! 158 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:25,830 Nothing was ever good enough. 159 00:09:25,932 --> 00:09:29,668 ♪♪ 160 00:09:29,769 --> 00:09:37,075 ♪♪ 161 00:09:37,176 --> 00:09:39,811 It wasn't immediately a nightmare. 162 00:09:39,912 --> 00:09:42,380 That developed over a period of time. 163 00:09:42,481 --> 00:09:44,683 It creeps in slowly. 164 00:09:44,784 --> 00:09:50,021 There was one time early in the marriage where Wayne and I 165 00:09:50,122 --> 00:09:52,390 were sitting down watching TV, 166 00:09:52,491 --> 00:09:53,925 having a glass of wine. 167 00:09:54,026 --> 00:09:57,095 And we started to talk about his father, 168 00:09:57,196 --> 00:09:59,598 and he didn't want to. 169 00:10:00,967 --> 00:10:02,667 How come I've never met your father? 170 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:07,872 KELLY: He really didn't talk a lot about his childhood. 171 00:10:07,974 --> 00:10:11,943 It was not a conversation that he wanted to have. 172 00:10:12,044 --> 00:10:14,379 Don't you think I should know my father-in-law? 173 00:10:15,848 --> 00:10:17,382 No, you don't need to meet him. 174 00:10:17,483 --> 00:10:19,517 KELLY: But I had only met his mother, 175 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:22,487 so I kind of pressed the situation. 176 00:10:22,588 --> 00:10:24,589 Why don't you ever want to talk about him? 177 00:10:24,690 --> 00:10:27,659 Because I don't, okay? Can you just drop it? 178 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,629 Every time I said another word, 179 00:10:30,696 --> 00:10:33,732 it just got him angrier and angrier and angrier. 180 00:10:33,833 --> 00:10:34,899 What's the big deal anyway? 181 00:10:34,967 --> 00:10:36,935 You've met my parents a thousand times. 182 00:10:38,904 --> 00:10:41,973 All of a sudden, he exploded. 183 00:10:42,074 --> 00:10:45,110 Just shut up! What is the matter with you?! 184 00:10:45,211 --> 00:10:47,979 KELLY: I got up off the couch to get away from him, 185 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,615 and he got up after me. 186 00:10:50,716 --> 00:10:52,417 I said stay out of my business. 187 00:10:53,819 --> 00:10:55,520 [quietly] I'm sorry. 188 00:10:55,621 --> 00:10:58,123 And punched the wall next to my head. 189 00:11:01,694 --> 00:11:03,895 When he put his fist through the wall, I mean, 190 00:11:03,996 --> 00:11:09,467 it was just close enough to my head to where it was a threat, 191 00:11:09,568 --> 00:11:12,170 but far enough from my head to where 192 00:11:12,271 --> 00:11:15,140 I knew he wasn't actually trying to hit me. 193 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:18,176 When I say you stop talking, you're gonna do it. 194 00:11:19,645 --> 00:11:22,414 KELLY: I came from a household that didn't have that type of 195 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:26,351 violence and anger, and it made me very fearful. 196 00:11:26,452 --> 00:11:28,053 One way or another, 197 00:11:28,154 --> 00:11:30,288 you are gonna learn to listen to me. 198 00:11:33,859 --> 00:11:36,127 KELLY: Then he started manipulating me with 199 00:11:36,228 --> 00:11:39,164 the intimidation of what he could do. 200 00:11:41,233 --> 00:11:45,336 All of my confidence in myself was gone. 201 00:11:47,406 --> 00:11:52,277 You end up at that point where you just start agreeing with 202 00:11:52,378 --> 00:11:55,480 everything and you just, "Yes, it's my fault. 203 00:11:55,581 --> 00:11:57,449 I'm sorry." You start apologizing 204 00:11:57,550 --> 00:11:59,184 for things that aren't your fault. 205 00:11:59,285 --> 00:12:03,822 So I think there was already some warning signals. 206 00:12:03,923 --> 00:12:08,059 But I didn't want to communicate that to my parents, 207 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,430 because that would show that I had made a bad decision. 208 00:12:12,531 --> 00:12:16,701 And I wanted them to believe that, 209 00:12:16,802 --> 00:12:19,671 you know, everything was going great. 210 00:12:22,842 --> 00:12:27,512 So I lost that line of communication with people 211 00:12:27,613 --> 00:12:32,150 who love me, because I never told them the truth. 212 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:34,652 I kept 213 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:38,456 what was starting to happen to myself. 214 00:12:39,658 --> 00:12:43,661 And that's when he started to become more and more extreme. 215 00:13:13,893 --> 00:13:16,161 The pause... 216 00:13:16,262 --> 00:13:18,696 right when he said, "Do you realize that what you did" 217 00:13:18,798 --> 00:13:20,932 "was wrong?" And there was that 218 00:13:21,033 --> 00:13:23,401 seconds long pause there? 219 00:13:23,502 --> 00:13:25,103 I think that's very telling. 220 00:13:25,204 --> 00:13:28,740 Even though he turned himself in, I don't believe that Wayne 221 00:13:28,841 --> 00:13:32,377 ever did really understand that it was wrong 222 00:13:32,478 --> 00:13:35,246 and it was something that he shouldn't be doing. 223 00:13:36,348 --> 00:13:39,250 It took him a while to... To give that answer. 224 00:13:39,351 --> 00:13:45,790 ♪♪ 225 00:13:45,891 --> 00:13:52,831 ♪♪ 226 00:13:52,932 --> 00:13:55,366 Wayne's whole goal in life was to have sex 227 00:13:55,467 --> 00:13:58,970 and to have it every single day at least once. 228 00:13:59,071 --> 00:14:01,072 - Hey. - Hey. 229 00:14:02,541 --> 00:14:05,210 KELLY: Wayne wouldn't take no for an answer, 230 00:14:05,311 --> 00:14:09,714 so if I didn't feel like it, if I didn't feel good, 231 00:14:09,815 --> 00:14:12,317 I was sick, none of that mattered. 232 00:14:12,384 --> 00:14:14,819 He would keep me up all night long. 233 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,455 Wayne, I'm tired. I just want to get some sleep. 234 00:14:19,258 --> 00:14:20,458 Won't take long. 235 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:25,430 I learned fairly quickly that it was easier 236 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:27,732 to just say yes as soon as possible, 237 00:14:29,301 --> 00:14:32,337 get it over with, and then be done. 238 00:14:36,008 --> 00:14:38,776 I didn't even think about it as making love anymore. 239 00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:41,713 It was just like a chore that I had to do. 240 00:14:41,814 --> 00:14:44,616 So it ended up that 241 00:14:44,717 --> 00:14:48,019 virtually every single day 242 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,621 I felt like I was being raped. 243 00:14:51,790 --> 00:14:54,225 And he never considered it 244 00:14:54,326 --> 00:14:57,028 to be sexual assault or rape. 245 00:14:57,129 --> 00:15:00,098 He was just trying to get what was due him. 246 00:15:00,199 --> 00:15:03,868 But for me, it was degrading. 247 00:15:03,969 --> 00:15:07,338 I felt like... I didn't know this person. 248 00:15:07,439 --> 00:15:09,274 I didn't wanna be with this person. 249 00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:14,846 [grunts] 250 00:15:14,947 --> 00:15:18,349 But it's not as simple 251 00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:23,321 as people think to just walk out the door. 252 00:15:23,422 --> 00:15:26,057 That's always the first gut reaction. 253 00:15:26,125 --> 00:15:27,258 Well, just leave. 254 00:15:28,961 --> 00:15:30,828 He's got the checking account. 255 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:36,434 Wayne had constantly threatened me that he would come find me. 256 00:15:37,703 --> 00:15:41,572 Emotionally abusive people cut you off from everyone, 257 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:47,278 and they make sure that you have no avenue to leave. 258 00:15:47,379 --> 00:15:51,482 My parents had initially been angry that I had eloped, 259 00:15:51,583 --> 00:15:54,252 so I felt like I burned my bridges with my parents, 260 00:15:54,353 --> 00:15:58,222 and I didn't have any friends of my own. 261 00:15:58,324 --> 00:16:02,727 So I was all by myself, and... 262 00:16:02,828 --> 00:16:07,365 in my mind, I could not see a way out. 263 00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:11,369 ♪♪ 264 00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:19,177 ♪♪ 265 00:16:19,278 --> 00:16:20,511 When I told Wayne I was pregnant, 266 00:16:20,612 --> 00:16:24,182 Wayne's initial reaction was definitely, um, 267 00:16:24,283 --> 00:16:28,553 "You're getting rid of it. We're not having a baby." 268 00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:31,889 So Wayne put me in the car and forced me 269 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:35,159 to go to the clinic to get an abortion. 270 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:39,297 Before they take you in to have any kind of procedure, 271 00:16:39,398 --> 00:16:41,399 they do an interview with you. 272 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:45,803 Take your time to answer these next few questions, okay? 273 00:16:45,904 --> 00:16:47,839 KELLY: Are you sure this is what you want? 274 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:50,408 Is anyone forcing you to do this? 275 00:16:50,509 --> 00:16:53,644 And I actually turned to the girl, and I asked her, 276 00:16:53,746 --> 00:16:55,580 I said, "What if I said yes?" 277 00:16:57,116 --> 00:17:00,818 And she said we wouldn't do it. 278 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:03,788 I just need to be sure that this is something you really want. 279 00:17:05,991 --> 00:17:08,826 And at that point, they kind of ended the interview. 280 00:17:08,927 --> 00:17:13,164 They told me to go think about it, and I came back out into 281 00:17:13,265 --> 00:17:16,934 the waiting room where he was waiting, and, um, 282 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:19,904 I told him what I had said. 283 00:17:23,442 --> 00:17:26,077 And at that point, he dragged me 284 00:17:26,178 --> 00:17:28,479 out of the office into the hallway 285 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:30,681 and pushed me up against the wall. 286 00:17:35,354 --> 00:17:40,024 And told me in no uncertain terms that if I didn't walk out 287 00:17:40,125 --> 00:17:42,827 of there with an abortion today, 288 00:17:42,928 --> 00:17:45,163 that I shouldn't bother coming home. 289 00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:48,266 You are getting it done today, got it? 290 00:17:49,701 --> 00:17:50,802 KELLY: I still felt helpless. 291 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:52,703 I still felt like I had no place to go. 292 00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:55,840 I was trapped. Then he said, "Go tell her 293 00:17:55,941 --> 00:17:58,142 that you're ready." 294 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,614 The decision was plain. 295 00:18:03,715 --> 00:18:06,084 I didn't wanna have a child with him. 296 00:18:06,185 --> 00:18:08,553 There was no way that I really 297 00:18:08,654 --> 00:18:12,523 wanted to bring his baby into the world. 298 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:16,427 I went and spoke to the nurse again, 299 00:18:16,528 --> 00:18:19,497 and I ended up going through with the abortion. 300 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:27,598 ♪♪ 301 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,809 ♪♪ 302 00:18:31,910 --> 00:18:36,347 It did begin to escalate to a point where it was not 303 00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:41,052 only sex, but fairly severe bondage. 304 00:18:41,153 --> 00:18:45,957 He found a deck of playing cards that 305 00:18:46,058 --> 00:18:48,092 the back of each card had 306 00:18:48,193 --> 00:18:50,862 a woman in some kind of rope bondage. 307 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:55,666 And so he wanted to try those 308 00:18:55,767 --> 00:18:57,935 types of rope bondage things on me. 309 00:19:00,005 --> 00:19:04,008 This is when his obsession 310 00:19:04,109 --> 00:19:07,411 with breasts became even more pronounced. 311 00:19:08,881 --> 00:19:10,982 Wayne had decided that he wanted to 312 00:19:11,083 --> 00:19:14,886 make molds of my boobs out of wax. 313 00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:19,690 So he melted down a whole bunch of wax and then made me 314 00:19:19,791 --> 00:19:24,362 dip my breasts into the bowl until they were covered with 315 00:19:24,463 --> 00:19:25,563 the hot wax. 316 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,666 And then I had to sit there and let them cool. 317 00:19:30,435 --> 00:19:32,770 It was all about the objectification. 318 00:19:32,871 --> 00:19:35,206 It was all about what he wanted. 319 00:19:35,307 --> 00:19:39,644 He made a comment that 320 00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:43,614 if he could just take a sheet and cut out the holes around 321 00:19:43,715 --> 00:19:46,250 my boobs, he could just put the sheet over me, 322 00:19:46,351 --> 00:19:48,352 he would be just as satisfied. 323 00:19:48,453 --> 00:19:56,360 ♪♪ 324 00:19:56,461 --> 00:19:59,664 ♪♪ 325 00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:04,168 He decided that when I came home and I was at home, 326 00:20:04,269 --> 00:20:05,836 I shouldn't wear any clothes. 327 00:20:08,407 --> 00:20:11,842 So I had to come home, take off all my clothes, 328 00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:13,544 cook naked, 329 00:20:13,645 --> 00:20:16,914 walk around, and he could touch anywhere on my body 330 00:20:17,015 --> 00:20:19,717 he wanted any time. 331 00:20:19,818 --> 00:20:23,521 And I was just like a... Almost like a mannequin doll. 332 00:20:24,623 --> 00:20:27,225 You just learn to just keep quiet 333 00:20:27,326 --> 00:20:31,529 and to let him play with his toy. 334 00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:36,500 Every time he dehumanized me, every time he... he fetishized 335 00:20:36,602 --> 00:20:41,872 a piece or a part of me was humiliating and degrading. 336 00:20:41,974 --> 00:20:43,941 He had always made it clear 337 00:20:44,042 --> 00:20:49,080 that women were objects and disposable. 338 00:20:49,181 --> 00:20:53,217 He cared about my pieces and parts, but not me. 339 00:21:23,382 --> 00:21:26,684 KELLY: The Marine Corps had a bunch of, um, 340 00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:29,654 cabins that they kept up in Big Bear. 341 00:21:29,755 --> 00:21:33,891 So Wayne and a bunch of his friends had decided to 342 00:21:33,992 --> 00:21:37,795 go up there for the weekend, and I get a phone call. 343 00:21:37,896 --> 00:21:40,097 Hello? 344 00:21:40,198 --> 00:21:42,667 Oh, hey. Hi, Bill. How are you? 345 00:21:42,768 --> 00:21:45,536 And the phone call is from one of 346 00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:48,539 the guys that he's with up in Big Bear. 347 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,410 And they asked me, Kelly, have you heard from Wayne? 348 00:21:52,511 --> 00:21:54,578 No, I haven't seen him. 349 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,248 And I said, "No, 350 00:21:57,349 --> 00:21:59,050 why would I hear from Wayne?" 351 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:02,586 "Well, if he calls, tell him to come back. 352 00:22:02,654 --> 00:22:05,289 It's not as bad as he thinks." 353 00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:07,625 Yeah, sure, I'll tell him. 354 00:22:11,697 --> 00:22:14,532 And now I'm sitting there all alone waiting, waiting, waiting. 355 00:22:14,633 --> 00:22:17,268 [phone ringing] 356 00:22:17,369 --> 00:22:20,271 Probably a couple hours passed, 357 00:22:20,372 --> 00:22:23,207 and Wayne calls, 358 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:26,310 and he says, "I need your help. 359 00:22:26,411 --> 00:22:28,579 I need you to come pick me up." 360 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,747 What happened? 361 00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:31,582 KELLY: "I'm in trouble, and the police are looking 362 00:22:31,683 --> 00:22:34,919 for me," and I go, "Well, what did you do?" 363 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,855 And he said, "They think I raped somebody." 364 00:22:37,956 --> 00:22:39,390 Wayne. 365 00:22:41,793 --> 00:22:46,364 Him and a friend of his hooked up with these two girls, 366 00:22:46,465 --> 00:22:48,966 and I think they were maybe, like, 367 00:22:49,067 --> 00:22:53,471 14 and 15 or something like that. 368 00:22:53,572 --> 00:22:56,307 He's being accused of statutory rape. 369 00:22:56,408 --> 00:22:59,710 He obviously knew that the girls were underage, 370 00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:04,215 but he did not accept any responsibility at all. 371 00:23:05,517 --> 00:23:09,653 He did not feel like he had done anything wrong. 372 00:23:09,755 --> 00:23:13,524 - AS WAYNE: Just come get me. - Okay. 373 00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:17,728 In his view, the only issue was getting caught. 374 00:23:17,829 --> 00:23:20,498 He just didn't have empathy. 375 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:24,702 The whole process went on for over a year. 376 00:23:24,803 --> 00:23:26,971 And then all of a sudden, the charges were just dropped. 377 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,281 Once the entire issue with 378 00:23:37,382 --> 00:23:40,951 the statutory rape charge was resolved, 379 00:23:41,052 --> 00:23:43,320 I had gotten a new job, 380 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:46,190 and I was starting to make friends. 381 00:23:46,291 --> 00:23:49,293 And I was starting to make male friends. 382 00:23:49,394 --> 00:23:51,996 While Wayne was staying on base, 383 00:23:52,097 --> 00:23:54,465 I took the opportunity to go out to dinner, 384 00:23:54,566 --> 00:24:00,237 to socialize, to feel free, and it felt good. 385 00:24:00,338 --> 00:24:01,605 Hey, thanks for driving me home. 386 00:24:01,706 --> 00:24:03,040 BOB: Are you kidding me? Don't mention it. 387 00:24:03,141 --> 00:24:06,911 KELLY: But this one night, I went to dinner with Bob 388 00:24:07,012 --> 00:24:12,650 after work, he drove me home, and as we were driving up to 389 00:24:12,751 --> 00:24:16,921 the house, I realized that Wayne's car was parked there. 390 00:24:17,022 --> 00:24:20,424 - Oh, no. - KELLY: And I was terrified. 391 00:24:20,525 --> 00:24:22,693 - Don't stop, go. Go! - MAN: Why? What's wrong? 392 00:24:22,794 --> 00:24:23,961 That's Wayne's car... he's home. 393 00:24:24,062 --> 00:24:26,664 KELLY: Just drive right past. Don't slow down. 394 00:24:26,765 --> 00:24:28,632 I didn't know exactly what was happening, 395 00:24:28,733 --> 00:24:30,100 but I knew he was home. 396 00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:33,904 Later on, he told me the story of what 397 00:24:34,005 --> 00:24:36,373 had happened that night. 398 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,376 He had got it in his head that I was cheating on him. 399 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,880 And he had taken his compound bow 400 00:24:42,981 --> 00:24:45,082 and hid in the bushes 401 00:24:45,183 --> 00:24:46,984 outside of the house, 402 00:24:47,085 --> 00:24:49,286 waiting for me to come home. 403 00:24:49,387 --> 00:24:52,756 He waited out there like three hours hunkered down 404 00:24:52,858 --> 00:24:56,594 in his cammies... I definitely believe 405 00:24:56,695 --> 00:24:59,563 that if I'd gotten out of the car, and Bob had got... 406 00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:03,067 Gotten out of the car even to just walk me to the door, 407 00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:04,235 that he would have shot him. 408 00:25:05,904 --> 00:25:08,072 Luckily, we didn't stop, because he was 409 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:10,207 a pretty darn good shot with a bow and arrow. 410 00:25:10,308 --> 00:25:13,244 [crickets chirping] 411 00:25:19,618 --> 00:25:25,823 ♪♪ 412 00:25:25,924 --> 00:25:28,926 I remember the morning vividly. 413 00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:33,063 He was watching TV, and I was ironing his cammies, 414 00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:36,901 and I just said, "I can't do this anymore." 415 00:25:37,002 --> 00:25:40,905 - Wayne, I can't take it anymore. - Excuse me? 416 00:25:42,073 --> 00:25:45,342 I can't live like this. 417 00:25:45,443 --> 00:25:48,812 I've seen what other people are like. 418 00:25:50,148 --> 00:25:52,883 And I know that I don't have to live like this anymore. 419 00:25:54,185 --> 00:25:55,352 I want a divorce. 420 00:25:57,989 --> 00:26:00,391 - I was expecting this. - KELLY: At first, 421 00:26:00,492 --> 00:26:05,129 Wayne came across, um, like, fairly casual about it. 422 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:09,567 Like talking about divvying up our stuff. 423 00:26:09,668 --> 00:26:12,536 And he said he was gonna take my motorcycle, 424 00:26:12,637 --> 00:26:14,638 and I just went, "No, I want it." 425 00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:16,840 Wayne, you can't take the bike. 426 00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:20,611 I had friends that ride, 427 00:26:20,712 --> 00:26:24,481 and so I wanted to have a motorcycle to ride with them. 428 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,150 And I think it clicked in his head 429 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:30,287 at that point that Bob rode motorcycles, as well. 430 00:26:30,388 --> 00:26:33,223 And then he just lost it. 431 00:26:34,826 --> 00:26:35,826 [grunts] 432 00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:40,097 And he grabbed me and drug me across the house. 433 00:26:40,198 --> 00:26:42,032 You really are a piece of garbage. 434 00:26:42,133 --> 00:26:45,102 Shoved the phone in my hand and said, "You call him 435 00:26:45,203 --> 00:26:48,072 right now. I want to talk to him." 436 00:26:48,173 --> 00:26:49,873 Call him! 437 00:26:49,975 --> 00:26:51,375 Call him now! 438 00:26:51,476 --> 00:26:55,980 KELLY: So I called Bob up, Wayne got on the phone, 439 00:26:56,081 --> 00:26:59,950 and instead of yelling or cussing at him, 440 00:27:00,051 --> 00:27:02,086 he was very pleasant. 441 00:27:02,187 --> 00:27:04,355 He said, "Why don't you come, 442 00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:06,557 and we can all go out to breakfast?" 443 00:27:06,658 --> 00:27:07,725 He was so calm 444 00:27:07,826 --> 00:27:10,094 and so, you know, matter-of-fact. 445 00:27:10,195 --> 00:27:13,030 It did frighten me, because I didn't know 446 00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:14,932 what he was planning. 447 00:27:15,033 --> 00:27:19,670 That was a behavior that wasn't normal for him, 448 00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:21,839 and it was very scary. 449 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:23,207 See you soon. 450 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:25,376 KELLY: When Wayne hung up the phone, 451 00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:30,314 he reverted back to his normal angry self 452 00:27:30,415 --> 00:27:34,685 and said that he might as well use me one more time. 453 00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:37,421 And then he raped me. 454 00:27:37,522 --> 00:27:39,156 No! No! Get off! 455 00:27:39,257 --> 00:27:42,126 And then, you know, when he was done, 456 00:27:42,227 --> 00:27:43,427 he told me to get dressed, 457 00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,829 and then we drove to the restaurant. 458 00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:23,333 When we were in the restaurant, 459 00:28:23,435 --> 00:28:26,403 I was pretty much an emotional wreck. 460 00:28:27,605 --> 00:28:29,707 I didn't know what he would do. 461 00:28:29,808 --> 00:28:31,608 I was scared for Bob. 462 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:33,277 I was scared for myself. 463 00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:35,646 Great, Bob, you made it. 464 00:28:37,115 --> 00:28:40,918 I think Bob knew when he saw me 465 00:28:41,019 --> 00:28:44,188 and the look on my face and in my eyes, 466 00:28:44,289 --> 00:28:45,289 something had happened. 467 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:47,224 I just wanted to tell you, 468 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:50,227 we've decided to split up. 469 00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:53,263 KELLY: Wayne was very cordial with Bob. 470 00:28:53,364 --> 00:28:55,332 He reverted to that personality that 471 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,034 he had with Bob on the phone. 472 00:28:57,135 --> 00:29:01,472 He was just chatting with Bob like he was a new friend. 473 00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:04,475 It was just, um, bizarre. 474 00:29:07,345 --> 00:29:08,946 You know, now that I'm on the market, 475 00:29:10,348 --> 00:29:11,749 maybe you can help me out. 476 00:29:11,850 --> 00:29:16,553 And then he actually asked Bob if, um, 477 00:29:16,654 --> 00:29:18,555 he knew any girls with big boobs 478 00:29:18,656 --> 00:29:20,824 that he could introduce him to. 479 00:29:20,925 --> 00:29:22,659 You know the type I'm talking about. 480 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,729 He was kind of belittling me in front of Bob 481 00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:28,799 and, you know, feeling like 482 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,668 any big boob girl could replace me. 483 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:36,073 It was said in such a friendly manner that it was bizarre. 484 00:29:36,174 --> 00:29:39,710 Bob was, like, taken aback. 485 00:29:39,811 --> 00:29:42,312 And Bob just said, "Go home, pack a bag. 486 00:29:42,413 --> 00:29:43,514 I'll be there to pick you up." 487 00:29:45,016 --> 00:29:46,350 Don't worry. 488 00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:47,918 I'll come for you. 489 00:29:50,421 --> 00:29:52,222 I left the restaurant in our car. 490 00:29:52,323 --> 00:29:56,627 I went home and packed stuff to leave. 491 00:29:56,728 --> 00:30:00,097 Wayne walked, and Bob got in his car 492 00:30:00,198 --> 00:30:02,132 and came and picked me up, and we were gone 493 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,768 by the time that Wayne got home. 494 00:30:04,869 --> 00:30:08,472 Shortly after that, Bob and I were living together. 495 00:30:08,573 --> 00:30:12,709 A relationship was blossoming between the two of us, 496 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:18,248 and I felt safe for the first time in a long time. 497 00:30:18,349 --> 00:30:22,186 It was just like a release of tension 498 00:30:22,287 --> 00:30:26,657 that I could finally breathe again. 499 00:30:26,758 --> 00:30:31,195 But I knew in my heart and in my brain 500 00:30:31,296 --> 00:30:34,865 that this wasn't the end of it. 501 00:30:34,966 --> 00:30:39,303 ♪♪ 502 00:30:39,404 --> 00:30:45,909 ♪♪ 503 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:49,146 ♪♪ 504 00:30:49,247 --> 00:30:51,648 [phone ringing] 505 00:30:51,749 --> 00:30:54,251 I started to get phone calls at work 506 00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:55,853 from Wayne. 507 00:30:55,954 --> 00:30:58,121 [phone ringing] 508 00:30:58,223 --> 00:31:01,925 And he would tell me 509 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:03,760 everything I had done from the moment 510 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,529 that I left work the day before. 511 00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:07,965 [phone ringing] 512 00:31:08,066 --> 00:31:11,935 Every turn I made, every, you know, grocery store 513 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:15,372 I stopped at... It was very specific. 514 00:31:15,473 --> 00:31:18,842 You kissed at a parking lot. You had dinner at this place. 515 00:31:20,078 --> 00:31:21,745 And he would do this daily 516 00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:24,882 just to... to let me know that he was watching me. 517 00:31:24,983 --> 00:31:27,918 [phone ringing] 518 00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:35,826 And then that kind of escalated into 519 00:31:35,927 --> 00:31:39,162 me coming out to my car. 520 00:31:39,264 --> 00:31:42,900 He had written on the dust in my car, 521 00:31:43,001 --> 00:31:43,967 "I see you." 522 00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:45,702 [suspenseful chord strike] 523 00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:51,441 I knew that he was angry. 524 00:31:51,542 --> 00:31:53,210 He hadn't gotten the opportunity 525 00:31:53,311 --> 00:31:55,078 to properly punish me. 526 00:31:57,615 --> 00:32:01,318 My stomach was in knots, waiting, wondering. 527 00:32:03,655 --> 00:32:06,790 I was constantly on my guard. 528 00:32:06,891 --> 00:32:11,028 It was like he was a shadow that was there, 529 00:32:11,129 --> 00:32:14,331 constantly, just continuing to terrorize me. 530 00:32:16,167 --> 00:32:19,770 I still felt like something could happen at any moment, 531 00:32:19,871 --> 00:32:22,105 and I ended up being right. 532 00:32:22,206 --> 00:32:29,479 ♪♪ 533 00:32:36,187 --> 00:32:39,423 When I was finally able to get the money to file 534 00:32:39,524 --> 00:32:41,358 for divorce, I needed to get 535 00:32:41,459 --> 00:32:43,694 out of there, because something was going 536 00:32:43,795 --> 00:32:46,396 to happen if I didn't protect myself. 537 00:32:48,166 --> 00:32:52,536 I quit my job, and we moved down to Palm Springs. 538 00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,871 We didn't really tell anybody. 539 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,507 My family knew where we were, but they also knew that they 540 00:32:57,608 --> 00:32:59,276 weren't gonna go tell Wayne, 541 00:32:59,377 --> 00:33:02,713 so we were kind of trying to hide. 542 00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:07,250 But somehow Wayne had found out. 543 00:33:10,355 --> 00:33:13,924 I looked across the street, and I saw Wayne, 544 00:33:16,594 --> 00:33:20,497 and I just, I said, "We gotta get out of here now. 545 00:33:20,598 --> 00:33:22,966 We've gotta go home." 546 00:33:23,067 --> 00:33:25,769 This is how scary it was because of how determined 547 00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:28,271 he was... During the period of time 548 00:33:28,373 --> 00:33:30,407 when Wayne was stalking me, 549 00:33:30,508 --> 00:33:33,777 there really were no stalking laws. 550 00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:36,580 You can't go to the police and say someone's being mean to me. 551 00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:38,548 They're not gonna do anything. 552 00:33:38,649 --> 00:33:43,787 So Bob and I actually moved even further out of the city. 553 00:33:43,888 --> 00:33:49,259 We were hiding. We spent two years hiding, 554 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,294 just in case he would find us. 555 00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:56,767 I knew that he was always lurking out there. 556 00:33:56,868 --> 00:33:57,934 I never... 557 00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:01,004 never... 558 00:34:01,105 --> 00:34:02,005 felt safe. 559 00:34:38,209 --> 00:34:44,081 ♪♪ 560 00:34:44,182 --> 00:34:45,382 KELLY: He dropped off my radar. 561 00:34:45,483 --> 00:34:48,385 There was no further contacts. 562 00:34:48,486 --> 00:34:51,588 Life had moved on. Bob and I had gotten married. 563 00:34:51,689 --> 00:34:54,057 I had my first child. 564 00:34:54,158 --> 00:34:56,693 Um, so life was happening. 565 00:34:58,329 --> 00:35:01,231 [phone ringing] 566 00:35:01,332 --> 00:35:03,700 In November of '97, 567 00:35:03,801 --> 00:35:06,470 I get a phone call, and my sister is on the phone, 568 00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:08,505 and she said, 569 00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:11,942 "Turn on your TV, and turn to Channel Four." 570 00:35:16,214 --> 00:35:18,215 And she's on the phone going, 571 00:35:18,316 --> 00:35:19,616 "Is that Wayne? Is that him?" 572 00:35:20,818 --> 00:35:24,521 And then they started telling the story about that 573 00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:26,556 he had turned himself in. 574 00:35:26,657 --> 00:35:30,760 REPORTER: Investigators say that 36-year-old Wayne Ford 575 00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:33,029 handed them a plastic bag containing 576 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:35,732 a severed breast and then confessed to murdering 577 00:35:35,833 --> 00:35:38,201 four women over the last 14 months. 578 00:35:41,072 --> 00:35:43,340 KELLY: When I heard about the... the severed breast, 579 00:35:43,441 --> 00:35:47,410 obviously, there was flashbacks to the breast bondage 580 00:35:47,512 --> 00:35:52,849 and the wax molds, and it made perfect sense. 581 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:54,251 It was what he wanted. 582 00:35:54,352 --> 00:35:56,219 It was what he was after, 583 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,954 and it was what he would want to keep. 584 00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:00,957 It was his trophy. 585 00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:06,329 REPORTER: Ford has so far admitted to killing 586 00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:08,932 an unidentified woman whose torso was found 587 00:36:09,033 --> 00:36:10,367 in this slough in Eureka, 588 00:36:10,468 --> 00:36:13,036 Patricia Ann Tamez in Southern California, 589 00:36:13,137 --> 00:36:15,138 and Lanett White near Stockton. 590 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,674 The minute that you hear something like that, 591 00:36:17,775 --> 00:36:20,210 you immediately think, "Oh, my God, that could've been me." 592 00:36:20,311 --> 00:36:24,247 ♪♪ 593 00:36:24,348 --> 00:36:30,921 ♪♪ 594 00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:35,091 I actually contacted the Humboldt sheriff's department, 595 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:39,896 and I really started to get the details. 596 00:36:39,997 --> 00:36:43,066 He ended up being a truck driver. 597 00:36:43,167 --> 00:36:45,702 He was, you know, traveling around in his truck, 598 00:36:45,803 --> 00:36:47,971 and he'd go to one county, 599 00:36:48,072 --> 00:36:49,673 pick up a girl here. 600 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:05,455 Leave her body some place, go over to another county, 601 00:37:05,556 --> 00:37:07,057 stop at another truck stop. 602 00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:48,265 In his trailer, where he had been living, 603 00:37:48,366 --> 00:37:52,969 they had found rendered fat in, like, a coffee can. 604 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,375 Pieces in the freezer, next to the ice cream. 605 00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:19,629 In essence, that was what he was 606 00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:21,865 doing when he made those wax molds. 607 00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:25,402 He was making a disembodied breast. 608 00:38:42,486 --> 00:38:44,387 KELLY: He could have stopped after the first one, 609 00:38:44,488 --> 00:38:45,689 but he didn't. 610 00:38:47,291 --> 00:38:48,291 He kept doing it. 611 00:38:48,392 --> 00:38:50,593 He kept going out and picking up other girls. 612 00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:07,010 KELLY: When Wayne went to trial, 613 00:39:07,111 --> 00:39:10,580 the charges were serial murder 614 00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:12,349 of four victims. 615 00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:15,118 Even though he'd confessed everything, 616 00:39:15,219 --> 00:39:17,153 he ended up pleading not guilty. 617 00:39:29,166 --> 00:39:30,266 That's Wayne in court. 618 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:37,440 That's what I remember seeing when... when I was in 619 00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:39,409 the courtroom... It was terrifying. 620 00:39:41,178 --> 00:39:44,981 It was honestly terrifying, because in my head, 621 00:39:45,082 --> 00:39:47,684 all these years, I, you know, 622 00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:51,454 was still always afraid he was trying to find me. 623 00:39:51,555 --> 00:39:54,524 And he was, you know, and basically here I was serving 624 00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:58,561 myself up on a silver platter... For all those years, 625 00:39:58,662 --> 00:40:01,931 the fear was always there that he was out there. 626 00:40:03,634 --> 00:40:08,238 The female bailiff could see how nervous I was, and, um, 627 00:40:08,339 --> 00:40:11,941 she just, you know, kind of tried to reassure me. 628 00:40:12,042 --> 00:40:13,510 She said, "Don't worry, honey. 629 00:40:13,611 --> 00:40:15,278 If he moves, I'll shoot him." 630 00:40:15,379 --> 00:40:16,846 Made me feel a little bit better. 631 00:40:16,947 --> 00:40:24,654 ♪♪ 632 00:40:29,527 --> 00:40:35,064 This is not the person that I married. 633 00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:39,369 It's an ugly version of the person that 634 00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:42,872 I married... the last time I seen him, 635 00:40:42,973 --> 00:40:45,108 he still looked like a Marine. 636 00:40:45,209 --> 00:40:50,313 I never envisioned the downward spiral 637 00:40:50,414 --> 00:40:53,850 that he headed down after our divorce. 638 00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:57,854 It's a scary picture. 639 00:40:57,955 --> 00:41:05,862 ♪♪ 640 00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:09,065 I definitely feel with the severity 641 00:41:09,166 --> 00:41:11,201 of the crimes that he committed, 642 00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:14,437 you don't want someone like that 643 00:41:14,538 --> 00:41:18,608 out and in the world. 644 00:41:18,709 --> 00:41:22,512 And to be perfectly honest with you, in my view, 645 00:41:22,613 --> 00:41:26,015 there is no redemption for someone like that. 646 00:41:26,116 --> 00:41:27,884 He took four lives. 647 00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:33,189 He took them violently and ruthlessly. 648 00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:37,927 I don't feel a ton of empathy for him. 649 00:41:38,028 --> 00:41:40,230 He's gone, and that's fine. 650 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:45,201 But I personally still carry 651 00:41:45,302 --> 00:41:47,103 a lot of guilt. 652 00:41:49,206 --> 00:41:52,509 There was a period of time where... 653 00:41:53,911 --> 00:41:58,481 I felt could I have changed him, had I done this, 654 00:41:58,582 --> 00:42:02,652 had I known that, but it's not my responsibility. 655 00:42:02,753 --> 00:42:07,857 I would hope that 656 00:42:07,958 --> 00:42:10,093 what I've said and what I'm saying 657 00:42:10,227 --> 00:42:14,597 might reach a woman in a similar situation... 658 00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:16,533 and... 659 00:42:17,935 --> 00:42:21,738 hopefully spur her to get help to get out. 660 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,843 This is not the way that you're supposed to be treated. 661 00:42:26,944 --> 00:42:30,146 This is not the way that life is supposed to go.