1 00:00:03,586 --> 00:00:06,034 BELINDA: This is difficult for me to do. 2 00:00:06,137 --> 00:00:07,758 It's extremely difficult. 3 00:00:07,862 --> 00:00:09,758 There's several family members that 4 00:00:09,862 --> 00:00:11,172 aren't happy that I'm doing it. 5 00:00:11,275 --> 00:00:14,896 But I'm not here to -- to make my family 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,551 look bad by any means or anybody look bad. 7 00:00:19,655 --> 00:00:22,689 If anything was gonna come out and be discussed 8 00:00:22,793 --> 00:00:25,137 about Eric, I wanted it to be the truth, 9 00:00:25,241 --> 00:00:28,448 and it was gonna be done on my terms. 10 00:00:28,551 --> 00:00:30,551 This is my brother. 11 00:00:30,655 --> 00:00:33,724 If my brother can do something like this, 12 00:00:33,827 --> 00:00:36,172 then anybody can do something like this. 13 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:47,655 I carried that burden for a long time 14 00:00:47,758 --> 00:00:51,034 that I was responsible. 15 00:00:51,137 --> 00:00:53,620 I loved Eric. 16 00:00:53,724 --> 00:00:56,068 I know something was wrong with him. 17 00:00:56,172 --> 00:00:59,172 I couldn't fix it. He's been called evil. 18 00:00:59,275 --> 00:01:01,482 He's been called a monster. 19 00:01:01,586 --> 00:01:04,241 Do I think he was evil? 20 00:01:04,343 --> 00:01:05,724 Sure. 21 00:01:05,827 --> 00:01:08,758 Wouldn't you have to be evil to do something like that? 22 00:01:12,758 --> 00:01:15,517 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 23 00:01:15,620 --> 00:01:18,206 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 24 00:01:18,310 --> 00:01:23,310 [static crackling] 25 00:01:23,413 --> 00:01:25,068 [knock at door] [creaking] 26 00:01:25,172 --> 00:01:30,241 [banging on door] 27 00:01:30,344 --> 00:01:35,482 [creaking] 28 00:01:35,586 --> 00:01:38,137 [water dripping] 29 00:01:38,241 --> 00:01:40,793 [banging on door] [creaking] 30 00:01:40,896 --> 00:01:42,241 [sinister chord strikes] 31 00:01:50,482 --> 00:01:54,413 This was taken at our church in Arkansas. 32 00:01:54,517 --> 00:01:57,586 It's my parents, every one of my siblings. 33 00:01:57,689 --> 00:02:03,034 It's a loving family in this picture, and it's before things 34 00:02:03,137 --> 00:02:05,965 went really crazy. 35 00:02:06,068 --> 00:02:09,241 Eric's standing behind me. 36 00:02:09,344 --> 00:02:13,758 I am the seventh child out of eight, 37 00:02:13,862 --> 00:02:15,655 and Eric is five years older than me. 38 00:02:15,758 --> 00:02:18,758 I have a big smile on my face. 39 00:02:20,241 --> 00:02:23,827 But I never liked having my back to him, 40 00:02:23,931 --> 00:02:24,965 not even in photos. 41 00:02:26,862 --> 00:02:30,724 To most, he just looks like a handsome 42 00:02:30,827 --> 00:02:34,793 teenage young man that's polite 43 00:02:34,896 --> 00:02:37,310 and standing there with his family. 44 00:02:37,413 --> 00:02:39,827 But he... 45 00:02:39,931 --> 00:02:42,931 was not like the rest of us. 46 00:02:43,034 --> 00:02:44,413 He was like a chameleon. 47 00:02:44,517 --> 00:02:47,137 He could turn into whatever he thought somebody needed him to 48 00:02:47,241 --> 00:02:51,517 be in order to get whatever it is he needed from them. 49 00:02:53,103 --> 00:02:54,551 Looking at him, 50 00:02:54,655 --> 00:02:58,862 the picture makes him look handsome and sweet, 51 00:02:58,965 --> 00:03:01,793 and...but at this age, 52 00:03:01,896 --> 00:03:04,689 that's the farthest from who he was. 53 00:03:04,793 --> 00:03:06,206 Not too many people, if any, 54 00:03:06,310 --> 00:03:08,413 really knew what he was capable of. 55 00:03:08,517 --> 00:03:16,482 ♪♪ 56 00:03:16,586 --> 00:03:25,482 ♪♪ 57 00:03:25,586 --> 00:03:27,655 I do believe that Eric 58 00:03:27,758 --> 00:03:31,310 was born a psychopath. 59 00:03:31,413 --> 00:03:34,344 I think he needed help at a very early age. 60 00:03:34,448 --> 00:03:40,137 He couldn't handle "No's," he couldn't handle 61 00:03:40,241 --> 00:03:42,724 anybody trying to correct him. 62 00:03:42,827 --> 00:03:45,241 He was very defensive at all times, 63 00:03:45,344 --> 00:03:47,344 and anything could trigger him. 64 00:03:47,448 --> 00:03:49,620 One night, all of the siblings were 65 00:03:49,724 --> 00:03:52,586 at the dining room table playing cards, 66 00:03:52,689 --> 00:03:54,896 and Eric was fine. 67 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,000 It was normal. 68 00:03:57,103 --> 00:03:58,862 Everybody was laughing. 69 00:03:58,965 --> 00:04:01,068 Everybody was having a good time. 70 00:04:01,172 --> 00:04:03,793 But I think he was cheating. 71 00:04:03,896 --> 00:04:08,172 He thought he was gonna win, and he didn't win doing that. 72 00:04:08,275 --> 00:04:11,103 Sorry, Eric, cheat all you want, you're still gonna lose. 73 00:04:11,206 --> 00:04:14,172 And, I mean, he literally jumped up. 74 00:04:14,275 --> 00:04:16,379 I wasn't cheating! 75 00:04:16,482 --> 00:04:19,274 Just the cards went all over the table, 76 00:04:19,379 --> 00:04:21,689 and he just, like, stormed out of there. 77 00:04:21,793 --> 00:04:23,862 He just snapped -- it was like a switch. 78 00:04:23,965 --> 00:04:25,965 It was like he couldn't control it. 79 00:04:29,172 --> 00:04:32,965 GIRL: Come on, Eric. Don't be such a baby. Come back! 80 00:04:33,068 --> 00:04:37,931 BELINDA: When he did come back in, he wasn't apologetic. 81 00:04:38,034 --> 00:04:39,655 Help us pick these up. 82 00:04:39,758 --> 00:04:44,586 When he got angry or if something was said 83 00:04:44,689 --> 00:04:47,862 that he didn't like, his eyes seemed to get dark. 84 00:04:50,068 --> 00:04:54,793 He would have his fist just as tight as he could, 85 00:04:54,896 --> 00:04:56,862 and he had this look on his face. 86 00:04:58,965 --> 00:05:02,827 His lips would be tucked in, his eyes would be narrowed. 87 00:05:02,931 --> 00:05:05,965 And it was almost like he was huffing. 88 00:05:06,068 --> 00:05:07,862 And I learned that look at 89 00:05:07,965 --> 00:05:10,896 a very early age, and it was frightening. 90 00:05:12,586 --> 00:05:14,448 It was extremely frightening. 91 00:05:14,551 --> 00:05:20,862 ♪♪ 92 00:05:20,965 --> 00:05:22,275 We had rules. 93 00:05:22,379 --> 00:05:24,379 We didn't grow up in a naked house. 94 00:05:24,482 --> 00:05:27,068 The girls changed in their room with the door closed. 95 00:05:27,172 --> 00:05:28,413 The boys had their room. 96 00:05:28,517 --> 00:05:30,620 We didn't share the bathroom with the boys. 97 00:05:30,724 --> 00:05:36,482 The first time that I recall him sneaking up on me, 98 00:05:36,586 --> 00:05:38,655 I was in the bathroom. 99 00:05:38,758 --> 00:05:42,103 There was this closet behind the bathroom door. 100 00:05:42,206 --> 00:05:45,241 I didn't really realize he was in that closet 101 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:47,551 until I was finished using the restroom. 102 00:05:50,344 --> 00:05:55,448 And when I saw the door to the closet move, 103 00:05:55,551 --> 00:05:56,965 I didn't know who was in there. 104 00:05:57,068 --> 00:06:01,827 So I had reached to the door, and out pops Eric, 105 00:06:01,931 --> 00:06:03,310 and he just started laughing. 106 00:06:03,413 --> 00:06:05,413 You scared me. I'm telling mom. 107 00:06:05,517 --> 00:06:07,413 You better not. 108 00:06:07,517 --> 00:06:09,758 Then he said, "If you tell anybody I was in here, 109 00:06:09,862 --> 00:06:12,103 I'll tell 'em you were lying." 110 00:06:12,206 --> 00:06:15,275 And it made me so uncomfortable. 111 00:06:15,379 --> 00:06:18,137 It just gave me this feeling of, "Wow, 112 00:06:18,241 --> 00:06:21,586 "I've got to check behind the bathroom door now and open 113 00:06:21,689 --> 00:06:24,379 that closet next time I decide to go to the restroom." 114 00:06:26,275 --> 00:06:29,310 That wasn't uncommon for him to do things like that. 115 00:06:29,413 --> 00:06:31,758 He enjoys scaring -- scaring us 116 00:06:31,862 --> 00:06:34,551 and frightening us, and...it was... 117 00:06:36,448 --> 00:06:37,655 who he was. 118 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 My neighbor, 119 00:06:50,103 --> 00:06:54,206 her daughter got a duck for Easter, 120 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:57,241 and they didn't want to keep it. 121 00:06:57,344 --> 00:06:58,793 So they asked me if I wanted it, 122 00:06:58,896 --> 00:07:01,724 and I begged and begged and begged to keep it. 123 00:07:01,827 --> 00:07:05,206 And so my mom finally gave in. 124 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:08,620 I named it Yellow Belly Quack Quack. 125 00:07:08,724 --> 00:07:10,758 She would follow me all around the yard, 126 00:07:10,862 --> 00:07:12,793 all around the neighborhood -- I loved her. 127 00:07:12,896 --> 00:07:14,275 I was like her mom. 128 00:07:14,379 --> 00:07:19,862 And one day, I remember laying on my bed with 129 00:07:19,965 --> 00:07:25,793 the window open, and I was reading a book and, um, 130 00:07:25,896 --> 00:07:29,275 I could smell the grass that had been cut. 131 00:07:29,379 --> 00:07:31,482 -I remember smelling that. -[dog barking] 132 00:07:31,586 --> 00:07:34,310 And then I just remember hearing a commotion, 133 00:07:34,413 --> 00:07:36,068 and I just kind of, 134 00:07:36,172 --> 00:07:39,965 you know, didn't pay much attention. 135 00:07:43,482 --> 00:07:45,482 And then I could kind of see out 136 00:07:45,586 --> 00:07:49,034 the corner of my eye my brother coming down the hall. 137 00:07:53,137 --> 00:07:56,344 And he gets in my room, and... 138 00:07:56,448 --> 00:07:58,241 he has my duck in a box. 139 00:08:00,862 --> 00:08:04,103 And he said, "The dogs got your duck." 140 00:08:06,103 --> 00:08:07,310 And I'm like, "What?" 141 00:08:09,034 --> 00:08:11,517 Eric's just standing there, holding the box, like, nothing. 142 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:15,931 It was like no emotion, no emotion whatsoever. 143 00:08:16,034 --> 00:08:20,344 And my duck is just crying and making these horrible noises. 144 00:08:20,448 --> 00:08:21,655 I'm looking at her, and I'm like, 145 00:08:21,758 --> 00:08:23,655 "This is not something a dog would do." 146 00:08:23,758 --> 00:08:26,965 I mean, it was like one of her wings was almost gone. 147 00:08:27,068 --> 00:08:29,448 You could see her insides. 148 00:08:29,551 --> 00:08:31,793 It was not a dog attack. 149 00:08:31,896 --> 00:08:35,068 Mom! Mom! 150 00:08:35,172 --> 00:08:37,275 My mom came in the room, 151 00:08:37,379 --> 00:08:40,861 and she asked what was going on, 152 00:08:40,965 --> 00:08:43,895 and Eric immediately said, um, 153 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,551 "Some dogs got the duck, and Belinda's upset." 154 00:08:50,241 --> 00:08:53,724 And so Mom told Eric, 155 00:08:53,827 --> 00:08:56,275 "Finish her off and bury her." 156 00:08:56,379 --> 00:08:58,965 You need to do it quick so she won't suffer. 157 00:08:59,068 --> 00:09:01,896 [young Belinda sobbing] 158 00:09:05,034 --> 00:09:07,103 BELINDA: I just remember getting in my closet. 159 00:09:07,206 --> 00:09:09,413 I just sat in there and cried. 160 00:09:09,517 --> 00:09:11,965 I don't know how long I was in that closet, 161 00:09:12,068 --> 00:09:15,931 and, um, Eric came back 162 00:09:16,034 --> 00:09:20,241 and opened the closet door 163 00:09:20,344 --> 00:09:22,379 and he said, "Oh, I just wanted 164 00:09:22,482 --> 00:09:24,586 to tell you I buried your duck alive." 165 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:27,620 Yellow Belly was still crying when I buried her. 166 00:09:27,724 --> 00:09:29,655 "But I'm sure she's dead now." 167 00:09:29,758 --> 00:09:30,965 That's what he said. 168 00:09:31,068 --> 00:09:33,482 He goes, "Dogs didn't really get her. 169 00:09:33,586 --> 00:09:36,448 I ran over her with the lawnmower," 170 00:09:36,551 --> 00:09:38,517 and he laughed. 171 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:41,586 It was like you could see his teeth and everything smile. 172 00:09:41,689 --> 00:09:43,275 It was like... 173 00:09:43,379 --> 00:09:47,000 pride almost, because he could just see 174 00:09:47,103 --> 00:09:50,275 the shock and hurt in my face. 175 00:09:52,172 --> 00:09:54,586 He enjoyed hurting me. 176 00:09:54,689 --> 00:09:58,379 He enjoyed hurting my duck. 177 00:09:58,482 --> 00:10:02,275 It's not normal behavior for anybody. 178 00:10:02,379 --> 00:10:05,034 It's just not normal. 179 00:10:05,137 --> 00:10:07,517 I stayed in that closet 180 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:09,551 the majority of the day. 181 00:10:09,655 --> 00:10:13,448 I just sat there with the doors closed in the closet. 182 00:10:15,137 --> 00:10:17,344 I cried myself to sleep. 183 00:10:19,551 --> 00:10:22,034 That was never brought up again. 184 00:10:22,137 --> 00:10:23,344 It's just one of those things that 185 00:10:23,448 --> 00:10:25,206 happened that you just don't speak about. 186 00:10:27,448 --> 00:10:28,827 I never got over that. 187 00:10:33,827 --> 00:10:35,000 Sorry. 188 00:10:40,482 --> 00:10:41,517 It's just cruel. 189 00:10:43,896 --> 00:10:46,241 It's just so cruel. 190 00:10:46,344 --> 00:10:50,413 And he was happy about it, which made it worse. 191 00:10:50,517 --> 00:10:52,068 That left... 192 00:10:54,206 --> 00:10:56,517 a deep wound on me. 193 00:10:56,620 --> 00:11:01,103 ♪♪ 194 00:11:01,206 --> 00:11:08,482 ♪♪ 195 00:11:08,586 --> 00:11:10,206 He knew right from wrong. 196 00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:12,103 I know he knew right from wrong. 197 00:11:12,206 --> 00:11:16,103 I think that there were just these urges that 198 00:11:16,206 --> 00:11:20,448 he had, and he had to act out on 'em. 199 00:11:28,758 --> 00:11:31,551 BELINDA: I don't know why he felt the need to torture me. 200 00:11:31,655 --> 00:11:33,862 It was just something Eric did, 201 00:11:33,965 --> 00:11:36,862 and he did it on a regular basis. 202 00:11:38,448 --> 00:11:40,655 I could be sitting in a room watching cartoons, 203 00:11:40,758 --> 00:11:43,827 and he would come in and start pacing, 204 00:11:43,931 --> 00:11:48,655 and he would have his fist drawn up and just -- 205 00:11:48,758 --> 00:11:50,448 [inhales and exhales heavily] just the breathing. 206 00:11:50,551 --> 00:11:53,517 And if I was engrossed in the TV, in a cartoon 207 00:11:53,620 --> 00:11:54,793 or something, you know, 208 00:11:54,896 --> 00:11:57,000 I would be sitting there watching it, not really paying 209 00:11:57,103 --> 00:12:00,000 that much attention. 210 00:12:00,103 --> 00:12:04,103 He actually would grab my hair and, like, 211 00:12:04,206 --> 00:12:06,793 yank my head back and forth just hard. 212 00:12:06,896 --> 00:12:08,275 [Young Belinda shouting indistinctly] 213 00:12:08,379 --> 00:12:11,310 He'd twist my arm really, really hard, 214 00:12:11,413 --> 00:12:14,448 and, like, he would literally pull my arm up 215 00:12:14,551 --> 00:12:17,172 as high as he could, and I would be screaming, 216 00:12:17,275 --> 00:12:19,517 and he would say, "Does that hurt?" 217 00:12:19,620 --> 00:12:22,172 Ow! Stop it! Let go! 218 00:12:22,275 --> 00:12:23,551 And of course you're saying, "Yes. 219 00:12:23,655 --> 00:12:27,137 Please stop." But it didn't make him stop. 220 00:12:27,241 --> 00:12:29,344 It was an intentional hurt. 221 00:12:29,448 --> 00:12:32,931 He's laughing about it, like it's a game to him. 222 00:12:33,034 --> 00:12:36,137 Eric, Let go of her. Stop it! Stop it! 223 00:12:36,241 --> 00:12:40,896 To him, it was funny -- my younger sister, 224 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,620 to my knowledge, he never picked on her. 225 00:12:43,724 --> 00:12:46,724 And I always thought, "What did I do 226 00:12:46,827 --> 00:12:48,793 to make him want to hurt me?" 227 00:12:48,896 --> 00:12:51,275 I would talk with my mother about it. 228 00:12:51,379 --> 00:12:53,344 She said she would take care of it, 229 00:12:53,448 --> 00:12:57,620 but I don't believe my mom knew exactly how to handle him. 230 00:12:57,724 --> 00:12:59,862 She thought if she could protect him 231 00:12:59,965 --> 00:13:03,689 and guide him, that she could fix him. 232 00:13:03,793 --> 00:13:09,103 I actually stopped telling my mom when he would hurt me. 233 00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:11,275 Because no matter what he did to me, 234 00:13:11,379 --> 00:13:12,482 there was no consequences. 235 00:13:12,586 --> 00:13:15,689 There was no kind of action. 236 00:13:15,793 --> 00:13:20,931 So I had to realize that Eric 237 00:13:21,034 --> 00:13:23,551 wasn't gonna change when it came to me. 238 00:13:23,655 --> 00:13:26,655 I was -- I was an easy target, 239 00:13:35,827 --> 00:13:37,413 As Eric and I got older, 240 00:13:37,517 --> 00:13:41,275 he would find new ways to, um, hurt me. 241 00:13:41,379 --> 00:13:44,000 It was just -- just who he was. 242 00:13:45,482 --> 00:13:48,862 There was a pool that was just a few blocks from our house. 243 00:13:48,965 --> 00:13:51,275 I loved to get in the water with everybody else, 244 00:13:51,379 --> 00:13:53,206 but I could be playing, 245 00:13:53,310 --> 00:13:56,034 and then, all of a sudden, you know, 246 00:13:56,137 --> 00:14:00,103 there goes my hair, and I'm being pulled under. 247 00:14:00,206 --> 00:14:05,620 I knew immediately that it was Eric, and underwater 248 00:14:05,724 --> 00:14:07,724 I went, I was at the bottom of the pool, 249 00:14:07,827 --> 00:14:09,379 and I could not get up. 250 00:14:10,482 --> 00:14:12,103 He's standing on me. 251 00:14:12,206 --> 00:14:15,758 My eyes were open and I could see him through the water, 252 00:14:15,862 --> 00:14:17,586 him looking down at me. 253 00:14:17,689 --> 00:14:20,103 I'm thinking, "I'm gonna drown, 254 00:14:20,206 --> 00:14:23,275 and nobody's gonna know, I'm gonna drown." 255 00:14:23,379 --> 00:14:25,551 And then all of a sudden, 256 00:14:25,655 --> 00:14:27,896 I could see there was somebody else's legs there. 257 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,862 Somebody pushed him, moved him off of me. 258 00:14:36,137 --> 00:14:40,793 And I come up, and I'm choking. 259 00:14:43,482 --> 00:14:46,137 I remember crying 260 00:14:46,241 --> 00:14:49,034 just hysterically. 261 00:14:49,137 --> 00:14:52,965 When I told my sister what had happened, 262 00:14:53,068 --> 00:14:54,724 she was very concerned. 263 00:14:54,827 --> 00:14:57,551 You stay here. I'll go get mom. 264 00:14:57,655 --> 00:14:58,827 No, don't. 265 00:15:00,758 --> 00:15:02,896 She said she was gonna go tell mom and dad, 266 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,689 and I just would beg her not to do it, because I didn't need 267 00:15:07,793 --> 00:15:09,206 him to do something worse 268 00:15:09,310 --> 00:15:13,862 next time -- with Eric, you never knew 269 00:15:13,965 --> 00:15:15,827 how much worse it would be. 270 00:15:15,931 --> 00:15:18,724 ♪♪ 271 00:15:18,827 --> 00:15:26,620 ♪♪ 272 00:15:26,724 --> 00:15:31,620 This is Eric, I believe it would be ninth grade. 273 00:15:31,724 --> 00:15:33,103 It's about the age where he started 274 00:15:33,206 --> 00:15:36,034 getting into more trouble outside of the home. 275 00:15:36,137 --> 00:15:38,655 I've never liked this picture of him. 276 00:15:38,758 --> 00:15:41,172 This smile that he has on his face, 277 00:15:41,275 --> 00:15:45,000 I've seen that smile, and it's so fake. 278 00:15:45,103 --> 00:15:51,034 And it's almost that smile where I got away with something, 279 00:15:51,137 --> 00:15:56,103 the same smile when he tortured my duck, 280 00:15:56,206 --> 00:16:00,310 the same smile when he told me he buried her alive. 281 00:16:00,413 --> 00:16:04,620 I stayed as far away from him as I could. 282 00:16:04,724 --> 00:16:07,482 Eric was getting in trouble with the law at this point, 283 00:16:07,586 --> 00:16:11,448 because police officers were already showing up at our house. 284 00:16:11,551 --> 00:16:13,758 [siren wailing] 285 00:16:13,862 --> 00:16:17,241 One day, a police vehicle pulled up, 286 00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:21,034 and my dad goes outside to speak with them, 287 00:16:21,137 --> 00:16:24,206 and then my mom follows. 288 00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:26,586 They were out there for a while and, 289 00:16:26,689 --> 00:16:29,896 you know, you just wonder what happened. 290 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,862 And then my mom came in and got Eric, 291 00:16:32,965 --> 00:16:36,206 and he went outside and talked with them. 292 00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:38,896 I constantly asked questions. 293 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,482 Do you know what's going on? 294 00:16:40,586 --> 00:16:41,931 BELINDA: Then one of my siblings had said 295 00:16:42,034 --> 00:16:45,103 something about he vandalized the school. 296 00:16:45,206 --> 00:16:48,551 Another one said something about that 297 00:16:48,655 --> 00:16:51,034 they were told that he and one of his friends 298 00:16:51,137 --> 00:16:55,034 had robbed a grocery store that they had been working at. 299 00:16:57,758 --> 00:17:00,448 His anger wasn't just in the house anymore. 300 00:17:00,551 --> 00:17:01,827 It was out there. 301 00:17:01,931 --> 00:17:04,723 He lashed out at people the same way he lashed out 302 00:17:04,827 --> 00:17:06,103 at me. 303 00:17:06,205 --> 00:17:07,723 As Eric got older, 304 00:17:07,827 --> 00:17:10,689 it wasn't uncommon for the police to come to our home, 305 00:17:10,792 --> 00:17:14,448 and the more frequently they came, 306 00:17:14,550 --> 00:17:16,619 he had to have done something really bad for them to 307 00:17:16,723 --> 00:17:18,931 keep coming, but I didn't know what. 308 00:17:19,034 --> 00:17:21,896 Eric! Eric, come back here! 309 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,896 I just always wondered, "What did he do now?" 310 00:17:33,137 --> 00:17:36,344 BELINDA: Eric was a very, very handsome man 311 00:17:36,448 --> 00:17:39,068 and very charming. 312 00:17:39,172 --> 00:17:42,724 He knew how to charm the girls. 313 00:17:42,827 --> 00:17:44,034 He had a girlfriend 314 00:17:44,137 --> 00:17:46,896 almost always, and when Eric had 315 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,931 a girlfriend that he really cared about, 316 00:17:49,034 --> 00:17:53,103 he would become basically a better person. 317 00:17:53,206 --> 00:17:56,344 I loved the fact that he was happy, 318 00:17:56,448 --> 00:18:01,068 because when he was happy, I felt safe. 319 00:18:01,172 --> 00:18:05,310 But once they broke his heart, it was another story. 320 00:18:08,413 --> 00:18:12,793 There was this one girl that really, really took Eric, 321 00:18:12,896 --> 00:18:15,206 I think, by surprise. 322 00:18:15,310 --> 00:18:16,551 He really liked her, 323 00:18:16,655 --> 00:18:19,103 and she was so sweet and just so beautiful. 324 00:18:19,206 --> 00:18:21,379 And she had the most beautiful red hair. 325 00:18:21,482 --> 00:18:22,896 Just beautiful. 326 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,896 Something happened. She broke up with him, 327 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,689 and it literally just, like, devastated him. 328 00:18:33,068 --> 00:18:34,896 It was almost like he kind of lost it. 329 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,517 Eric would pace the floors and kind of talk to himself. 330 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:42,793 [mumbling indistinctly] 331 00:18:42,896 --> 00:18:45,586 BELINDA: He would, like, pace and pace and pace and pace 332 00:18:45,689 --> 00:18:49,689 and pick up the phone and make a call, and she wouldn't answer. 333 00:18:51,275 --> 00:18:55,448 Then he'd slam the phone down and pace some more. 334 00:18:55,551 --> 00:18:59,034 He started driving by her house. 335 00:18:59,137 --> 00:19:00,517 Then he started knocking on the door. 336 00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:05,482 He wasn't good with being told no. 337 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:11,413 It was the no that he couldn't take. 338 00:19:11,517 --> 00:19:15,275 I think that's what triggered something in him. 339 00:19:20,241 --> 00:19:27,172 ♪♪ 340 00:19:27,275 --> 00:19:30,620 He had an issue with women with red hair. 341 00:19:30,724 --> 00:19:33,793 In my point of view, I do 342 00:19:33,896 --> 00:19:36,793 believe that there was a trigger there. 343 00:19:36,896 --> 00:19:39,689 One day, I don't know why he and I went 344 00:19:39,793 --> 00:19:42,172 to town together, because we never really went 345 00:19:42,275 --> 00:19:43,344 anywhere together, 346 00:19:43,448 --> 00:19:46,068 but a girl approached him that apparently liked him, 347 00:19:46,172 --> 00:19:47,172 cute as she could be. 348 00:19:47,275 --> 00:19:49,827 -Hey, Eric. -Hey. 349 00:19:49,931 --> 00:19:51,482 Good to see you. 350 00:19:51,586 --> 00:19:53,793 BELINDA: And he was nice to her. 351 00:19:53,896 --> 00:19:55,586 Good to see you, too. 352 00:19:55,689 --> 00:19:59,517 But when we went to walk away from her, I was like, 353 00:19:59,620 --> 00:20:00,758 "Well, she's nice. 354 00:20:00,862 --> 00:20:02,275 She's really cute," and he goes, "Well, her hair is not 355 00:20:02,379 --> 00:20:03,862 red enough." -She's pretty. 356 00:20:05,724 --> 00:20:08,206 She's okay. 357 00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:10,931 Then it did not mean a whole lot to me, 358 00:20:11,034 --> 00:20:14,724 but as years went by, that comment immediately came back 359 00:20:14,827 --> 00:20:16,724 in to play in my head. 360 00:20:16,827 --> 00:20:21,827 I could just hear that comment and see the look on his face, 361 00:20:23,241 --> 00:20:27,310 but it didn't really mean that much to me at that moment. 362 00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:41,000 He started working in Oklahoma, 363 00:20:41,103 --> 00:20:43,000 and when Eric left home, 364 00:20:43,103 --> 00:20:46,000 it was like I could breathe. 365 00:20:46,103 --> 00:20:47,241 It was a relief. 366 00:20:47,344 --> 00:20:51,965 It was almost liberating, because I didn't have to live 367 00:20:52,068 --> 00:20:54,862 in fear -- things became normal, 368 00:20:54,965 --> 00:20:59,310 and I was finally of age to date. 369 00:20:59,413 --> 00:21:03,137 So I started dating this guy, dated him for almost two years, 370 00:21:03,241 --> 00:21:06,275 and I ended up being -- getting pregnant. 371 00:21:06,379 --> 00:21:08,655 Single teenage mom. 372 00:21:08,758 --> 00:21:13,965 I had my son, and as soon as I had him, 373 00:21:14,068 --> 00:21:17,103 my parents were leaving to go to Oklahoma, 374 00:21:17,206 --> 00:21:19,034 because Eric had been arrested. 375 00:21:22,862 --> 00:21:26,862 I was told that Eric was arrested for robbery, 376 00:21:26,965 --> 00:21:31,206 but I remember one day, shortly after they had left, 377 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:34,344 there was a phone call, my other brother was talking 378 00:21:34,448 --> 00:21:36,758 to my parents, and I kind of got 379 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:39,758 a sense that this wasn't a burglary. 380 00:21:39,862 --> 00:21:42,482 -Are you serious? -What's going on? 381 00:21:42,586 --> 00:21:44,655 So I point blank asked 382 00:21:44,758 --> 00:21:47,275 what happened, why is he in jail? 383 00:21:50,103 --> 00:21:51,310 What'd they say? 384 00:21:51,413 --> 00:21:53,103 He told me the truth. 385 00:21:53,206 --> 00:21:54,448 It's not good. 386 00:21:54,551 --> 00:21:57,275 And said that Eric was 387 00:21:57,379 --> 00:22:02,275 accused of raping and beating two women at gunpoint. 388 00:22:02,379 --> 00:22:04,551 Eric had denied that he raped 389 00:22:04,655 --> 00:22:07,724 these girls, he had said it was consensual, 390 00:22:07,827 --> 00:22:10,586 but I believe that he did it. 391 00:22:10,689 --> 00:22:14,103 And Eric pled guilty to rape of the two girls 392 00:22:14,206 --> 00:22:17,344 and was sentenced to 23 years in prison. 393 00:22:17,448 --> 00:22:22,379 ♪♪ 394 00:22:22,482 --> 00:22:32,241 ♪♪ 395 00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:34,620 This was taken 396 00:22:34,724 --> 00:22:36,551 shortly after he got out of prison. 397 00:22:38,344 --> 00:22:42,034 Eric didn't serve his full term, his full sentence. 398 00:22:42,137 --> 00:22:45,172 He was released on good behavior, 399 00:22:45,275 --> 00:22:48,172 which almost... 400 00:22:48,275 --> 00:22:52,103 is unthinkable to me. 401 00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:56,137 So many people thought he had changed 402 00:22:56,241 --> 00:22:59,482 and that he was doing so well. 403 00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:02,793 And he had a great job 404 00:23:02,896 --> 00:23:05,724 and was staying out of trouble. 405 00:23:05,827 --> 00:23:09,862 You would like to believe that he was 406 00:23:09,965 --> 00:23:13,275 going to make it and be a different person. 407 00:23:13,379 --> 00:23:18,103 But a few months later, everything did change... 408 00:23:18,206 --> 00:23:20,862 for the worst, 409 00:23:20,965 --> 00:23:22,206 and... 410 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:27,517 in the worst way possible. 411 00:23:32,448 --> 00:23:35,482 My mom wanted to have a barbecue, a cookout, 412 00:23:35,586 --> 00:23:40,310 and all of us come and see Eric and visit and have, 413 00:23:40,413 --> 00:23:42,931 like, a little small family reunion. 414 00:23:43,034 --> 00:23:45,689 When I saw Eric, it was just nauseating. 415 00:23:47,241 --> 00:23:49,379 I did not feel comfortable. 416 00:23:49,482 --> 00:23:52,172 I wanted to be able to say, okay, he's changed. 417 00:23:52,275 --> 00:23:53,413 He's learned his lesson. 418 00:23:53,517 --> 00:23:57,689 But I had that bad feeling 419 00:23:57,793 --> 00:24:01,034 that something bad would happen again, 420 00:24:01,137 --> 00:24:04,068 and I didn't want to be a part of it. 421 00:24:07,172 --> 00:24:11,793 I actually said something to him at the grill. 422 00:24:11,896 --> 00:24:14,793 I said, "I need you to be on your best behavior." 423 00:24:14,896 --> 00:24:16,586 I hope you've really changed, because mom 424 00:24:16,689 --> 00:24:18,206 and dad can't take much more of this. 425 00:24:19,586 --> 00:24:22,586 And he said, "I've served my time," 426 00:24:22,689 --> 00:24:26,448 and that's all he said about it was, "I served my time." 427 00:24:26,551 --> 00:24:28,000 Leave me alone. 428 00:24:31,965 --> 00:24:37,068 It wasn't but a few months after I get this phone call, 429 00:24:37,172 --> 00:24:38,724 [phone ringing] 430 00:24:38,827 --> 00:24:40,931 and it's my oldest sister. 431 00:24:41,034 --> 00:24:43,551 [phone ringing] 432 00:24:43,655 --> 00:24:45,758 Hello? 433 00:24:45,862 --> 00:24:48,965 And she said, "I need you to wake up," and I said, 434 00:24:49,068 --> 00:24:50,862 "I'm a awake," she goes, "No, I need you to sit up 435 00:24:50,965 --> 00:24:52,931 and I need you to wake up," and I said, 436 00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:54,862 "Okay, what's going on?" 437 00:24:54,965 --> 00:24:58,137 And she said, "I have to tell you something. 438 00:24:58,241 --> 00:25:02,000 Eric was arrested for murder." 439 00:25:12,586 --> 00:25:14,551 BELINDA: When I got that phone call from my sister 440 00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:16,793 telling me that Eric had been arrested for murder, 441 00:25:16,896 --> 00:25:19,482 she told me, you know, what had been 442 00:25:19,586 --> 00:25:21,206 put out there in the media. 443 00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:23,827 REPORTER: October 11, 1993, 444 00:25:23,931 --> 00:25:25,896 the night 18-year-old Julie Heath's car 445 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,862 was found abandoned just west of Malvern. 446 00:25:28,965 --> 00:25:32,241 A week later, Heath's body was discovered in a wooded area, 447 00:25:32,344 --> 00:25:34,655 her throat slashed with a box cutter. 448 00:25:34,758 --> 00:25:38,310 Apparently, her car had broken down on the side of the road. 449 00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:42,965 Somebody had stopped to pick her up to help her, 450 00:25:43,068 --> 00:25:46,413 and her body was found 451 00:25:46,517 --> 00:25:49,000 a week later by a hunter 452 00:25:49,103 --> 00:25:52,413 with some of her clothes turned wrong side out. 453 00:25:52,517 --> 00:25:55,586 Eric completely denied killing Julie. 454 00:25:55,689 --> 00:25:58,827 He said that these guys 455 00:25:58,931 --> 00:26:02,068 that were after him from Oklahoma, 456 00:26:02,172 --> 00:26:04,137 they had kidnapped this girl 457 00:26:04,241 --> 00:26:08,965 and made him watch them kill her 458 00:26:09,068 --> 00:26:13,482 and planted evidence that he would take the fall, and that if 459 00:26:13,586 --> 00:26:15,241 he didn't take the fall, 460 00:26:15,344 --> 00:26:17,241 then they would come after his family. 461 00:26:18,931 --> 00:26:21,551 That was the story he had told. 462 00:26:21,655 --> 00:26:25,000 When I heard that story, I did not believe a word of it. 463 00:26:26,862 --> 00:26:29,310 When I learned about Julie's death, 464 00:26:29,413 --> 00:26:32,310 I was thinking how scared she must have been, 465 00:26:32,413 --> 00:26:35,103 how long she suffered. 466 00:26:36,724 --> 00:26:37,896 It just crushed me. 467 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,206 I mean, she's... 468 00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:44,000 18 years old, and this is my brother. 469 00:26:44,103 --> 00:26:47,413 If my brother can do something like this, 470 00:26:47,517 --> 00:26:50,413 then anybody can do something like this. 471 00:26:50,517 --> 00:26:54,793 And my whole life changed at that point. 472 00:27:02,758 --> 00:27:04,275 I never seen this before. 473 00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:05,551 [sniffles] 474 00:27:08,724 --> 00:27:10,448 Wow. 475 00:27:10,551 --> 00:27:14,517 I guess these were up all around town, 476 00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:20,206 I'm assuming -- this should have never happened. 477 00:27:21,827 --> 00:27:23,965 It should have never happened. 478 00:27:24,068 --> 00:27:28,137 Had he still been in prison, like he should have been, 479 00:27:29,551 --> 00:27:32,827 this little girl would still be alive. 480 00:27:34,655 --> 00:27:36,517 And he wasn't even out six months. 481 00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:39,586 It was like five months or something 482 00:27:39,689 --> 00:27:41,517 when he killed this girl. 483 00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:48,172 ♪♪ 484 00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:53,931 It was around Christmastime, 485 00:27:55,379 --> 00:27:56,896 and 486 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,827 I had talked with the sheriff 487 00:27:59,931 --> 00:28:04,758 if -- was it possible for me to bring Eric dinner? 488 00:28:04,862 --> 00:28:06,965 I was trying to do something nice -- 489 00:28:07,068 --> 00:28:09,000 not for Eric really as much 490 00:28:09,103 --> 00:28:13,482 as for my mother, I was trying to take weight off of her 491 00:28:13,586 --> 00:28:15,965 however I could. 492 00:28:16,068 --> 00:28:18,862 So I go up to the jail, 493 00:28:18,965 --> 00:28:22,413 and he's in this cell when he comes over to the corner. 494 00:28:24,034 --> 00:28:25,310 And I said, "Hey, you know, 495 00:28:25,413 --> 00:28:27,793 "the sheriff said I could bring you food for Christmas, 496 00:28:27,896 --> 00:28:32,620 you know, so what is it you want me to cook?" 497 00:28:32,724 --> 00:28:34,137 Why are you whispering? 498 00:28:34,241 --> 00:28:36,655 Because I need you to do something for me. 499 00:28:36,758 --> 00:28:40,206 And he said, "There's one thing I want," and I said, "Okay." 500 00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:41,448 He said, 501 00:28:41,551 --> 00:28:44,000 "I want you to get the murder weapon and destroy it." 502 00:28:48,448 --> 00:28:49,827 And I just stood there for a minute, 503 00:28:49,931 --> 00:28:51,724 and I looked at him, and I'm like, what? 504 00:28:53,689 --> 00:28:55,103 What? 505 00:28:55,206 --> 00:28:57,137 He's like, "Yeah, I need you to get it and destroy it." 506 00:28:57,241 --> 00:28:59,724 Don't you understand? 507 00:29:02,896 --> 00:29:07,896 I had to look at this as my brother 508 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,172 just admitted to me that he actually killed this girl. 509 00:29:13,275 --> 00:29:15,586 And this is the way that he did it, by 510 00:29:15,689 --> 00:29:18,758 telling me to get a murder weapon and destroy it. 511 00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:22,068 Why is he telling methis? 512 00:29:22,172 --> 00:29:24,379 Why is he asking meto do this? 513 00:29:25,758 --> 00:29:27,827 He didn't say what the murder weapon was, 514 00:29:27,931 --> 00:29:29,620 the actual place where he said it. 515 00:29:29,724 --> 00:29:31,965 It was an old abandoned gas station. 516 00:29:32,068 --> 00:29:35,310 You know the one, by the turn off at the lake. 517 00:29:35,413 --> 00:29:37,620 He goes, "I'll give you a couple of hours, 518 00:29:37,724 --> 00:29:41,551 and then I'm gonna call you at mom's." 519 00:29:41,655 --> 00:29:42,827 And I said okay. 520 00:29:44,724 --> 00:29:46,000 I said, "Okay, I'll do it." 521 00:29:48,758 --> 00:29:51,862 And why I said that, I'm not sure. 522 00:29:51,965 --> 00:29:53,241 Promise me you'll do this. 523 00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:57,793 BELINDA: Part of me thought this is ridiculous. 524 00:29:57,896 --> 00:29:59,793 I really don't know what possessed me to go ahead 525 00:29:59,896 --> 00:30:01,448 and go. I really don't. 526 00:30:01,551 --> 00:30:03,310 I mean, I have asked myself that question 527 00:30:03,413 --> 00:30:04,827 for so many years. 528 00:30:04,931 --> 00:30:12,103 ♪♪ 529 00:30:15,206 --> 00:30:17,206 I drove out there and did as he asked, 530 00:30:17,310 --> 00:30:21,586 and, um, I had no idea what I was looking for, 531 00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:25,793 and as I'm walking around out there, 532 00:30:25,896 --> 00:30:29,275 I'm thinking to myself, I can see him right now 533 00:30:29,379 --> 00:30:34,551 just laughing, because he sent me on this wild goose chase. 534 00:30:34,655 --> 00:30:36,758 There's no murder weapon out here. 535 00:30:36,862 --> 00:30:41,758 He is playing typical Eric games, and it's a control thing. 536 00:30:44,586 --> 00:30:46,586 I was getting ready to get back in my car, 537 00:30:46,689 --> 00:30:49,551 and then I saw this box of cigarettes 538 00:30:49,655 --> 00:30:51,172 that he used to smoke, 539 00:30:53,862 --> 00:30:56,068 and I just kind of kicked it over, 540 00:30:56,172 --> 00:30:58,068 and underneath it was this box cutter. 541 00:31:04,241 --> 00:31:06,862 And it was pretty evident that there 542 00:31:06,965 --> 00:31:11,000 was -- looked like dried hair stuck to it, 543 00:31:12,413 --> 00:31:16,206 and I immediately just threw up. 544 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:21,310 I lost it. I knew in my gut that was the murder weapon. 545 00:31:22,931 --> 00:31:26,310 I didn't know what to do, because I didn't want to 546 00:31:26,413 --> 00:31:29,586 touch it, didn't have a cellphone back then. 547 00:31:30,931 --> 00:31:35,000 I pulled my sweater down over my sleeve, and I picked it up, 548 00:31:36,206 --> 00:31:40,379 put it in the trunk of my car, and I was like, okay. 549 00:31:41,413 --> 00:31:43,827 I know exactly what I'm gonna do with it. 550 00:31:50,068 --> 00:31:52,862 I drive straight to my mother's house. 551 00:31:52,965 --> 00:31:55,586 I knew Eric was gonna call me there. 552 00:31:55,689 --> 00:31:57,655 -[phone ringing] -I got the phone call 553 00:31:57,758 --> 00:31:59,586 from Eric, 554 00:31:59,689 --> 00:32:03,931 and I got kind of choked up, because I wasn't exactly sure 555 00:32:04,034 --> 00:32:07,034 how I was gonna handle this at this point. 556 00:32:07,137 --> 00:32:09,172 Yes, it was still there. I found it. 557 00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:11,275 And... 558 00:32:11,379 --> 00:32:13,482 he was in a good mood. 559 00:32:13,586 --> 00:32:16,758 He was happy, and he said, "Yes, that's it." 560 00:32:16,862 --> 00:32:19,275 And he said, "Did you burn it?" 561 00:32:19,379 --> 00:32:20,482 And I said, "Yes." 562 00:32:20,586 --> 00:32:23,482 And he said, "Thank you for the Christmas present." 563 00:32:23,586 --> 00:32:24,758 I have to go. 564 00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:33,172 BELINDA: I felt horrible that I lied, 565 00:32:33,275 --> 00:32:38,000 but I know exactly what I'm going to do with it. 566 00:32:38,103 --> 00:32:39,620 I am turning it in. 567 00:32:39,724 --> 00:32:43,310 I had no doubt from the get-go. 568 00:32:43,413 --> 00:32:46,827 It was like he doesn't know me at all 569 00:32:46,931 --> 00:32:49,689 if he literally thought I was gonna destroy it. 570 00:32:51,965 --> 00:32:54,379 I go outside, because at this point, 571 00:32:54,482 --> 00:32:57,655 I've already decided I'm driving to the prosecutor's office. 572 00:32:57,758 --> 00:32:59,448 Belinda, wait. 573 00:32:59,551 --> 00:33:01,034 BELINDA: But then mom comes flying out 574 00:33:01,137 --> 00:33:05,137 the door and is asking me, "Where is it? Where is it?" 575 00:33:05,241 --> 00:33:07,620 How can you do this? He's your brother. 576 00:33:07,724 --> 00:33:09,068 I don't have a choice. 577 00:33:09,172 --> 00:33:13,655 One of my siblings had said something to my mother about 578 00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:14,931 me having the murder weapon 579 00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:18,034 in my trunk and that I was going to turn it in. 580 00:33:18,137 --> 00:33:19,793 She was in tears. 581 00:33:19,896 --> 00:33:22,448 It broke my heart, 582 00:33:22,551 --> 00:33:26,206 but I had to do what I was raised to do, 583 00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:29,758 what was best for my family, 584 00:33:29,862 --> 00:33:31,827 and I have a little girl. 585 00:33:31,931 --> 00:33:35,206 And if this was my little girl that this happened to, 586 00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:38,758 I would want whomever to do the right thing. 587 00:33:38,862 --> 00:33:40,827 Belinda! 588 00:33:40,931 --> 00:33:43,068 And that's why I did what I did. 589 00:33:53,586 --> 00:33:55,689 BELINDA: This is Julie Heath. 590 00:33:59,896 --> 00:34:02,827 I didn't realize how pretty she really was. 591 00:34:02,931 --> 00:34:04,310 She was a very pretty girl. 592 00:34:06,448 --> 00:34:08,655 Absolutely beautiful red hair. 593 00:34:08,757 --> 00:34:10,931 The red hair... 594 00:34:12,241 --> 00:34:15,206 just really stood out to me. 595 00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:17,827 The first thing I think about when I see this picture 596 00:34:19,516 --> 00:34:21,068 is how in the hell 597 00:34:22,344 --> 00:34:26,310 he could take an 18-year-old girl's life. 598 00:34:28,275 --> 00:34:30,413 And when I learned that she had red hair, 599 00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:35,931 it just made me think that it was something about 600 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:39,275 her red hair that may have set him off. 601 00:34:45,965 --> 00:34:49,068 The conversation that I had 602 00:34:49,172 --> 00:34:51,344 with Eric so many years ago, 603 00:34:51,447 --> 00:34:53,379 it just rung a bell. 604 00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:58,275 Her hair wasn't red enough, 605 00:34:58,379 --> 00:35:00,448 and I just kept saying that over and over in my head, 606 00:35:00,551 --> 00:35:02,034 her hair wasn't red enough, 607 00:35:04,862 --> 00:35:07,931 and part of me feels like he enjoyed it, 608 00:35:08,034 --> 00:35:11,551 because I know from how he tormented me, 609 00:35:12,896 --> 00:35:14,034 the things that he did, 610 00:35:15,517 --> 00:35:18,172 the joy that he got from it, 611 00:35:18,275 --> 00:35:19,965 and... 612 00:35:25,172 --> 00:35:26,689 [sniffles] 613 00:35:28,862 --> 00:35:32,827 It makes me sick -- it just makes me sick. 614 00:35:34,551 --> 00:35:35,586 And that's my brother. 615 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,724 He ruined a lot of people's lives. 616 00:35:53,275 --> 00:35:57,275 I had already told the sheriff, "I need to talk to him. 617 00:35:57,379 --> 00:36:00,379 "I need to be the one to tell him what I did, 618 00:36:00,482 --> 00:36:03,724 that I lied to him, and that I turned it in," 619 00:36:03,827 --> 00:36:05,793 and he said, "I respect that. 620 00:36:05,896 --> 00:36:07,620 I can make that happen." 621 00:36:09,034 --> 00:36:13,000 And so I get in front of his cell. 622 00:36:14,551 --> 00:36:16,655 I remember him having this look on his face, it's like, 623 00:36:16,758 --> 00:36:18,413 "What are you doing here at this hour?" 624 00:36:18,517 --> 00:36:20,551 And I said, "Well, I came to tell you something." 625 00:36:22,068 --> 00:36:25,344 I just finished giving them my statement downstairs. 626 00:36:25,448 --> 00:36:28,655 I wanted you to hear it from me, 627 00:36:28,758 --> 00:36:30,655 not from somebody else. 628 00:36:30,758 --> 00:36:33,034 I said, "Eric, I turned the murder weapon in. 629 00:36:33,137 --> 00:36:36,000 I didn't destroy it. I turned it in." 630 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,206 And he just kind of looked at me, 631 00:36:43,586 --> 00:36:46,482 and his whole demeanor changed. 632 00:36:46,586 --> 00:36:48,689 The jawline got tight, 633 00:36:48,793 --> 00:36:50,758 the eyes narrowed, 634 00:36:50,862 --> 00:36:53,482 and the look in his eyes -- 635 00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:55,965 I've seen it before, 636 00:36:56,068 --> 00:36:57,586 and it scared me. 637 00:36:59,103 --> 00:37:00,172 I forgive you. 638 00:37:00,275 --> 00:37:02,379 Then he smiled and said, "Well, come here, 639 00:37:02,482 --> 00:37:05,034 let me give you a hug." 640 00:37:05,137 --> 00:37:08,310 And it was just so out of character. 641 00:37:08,413 --> 00:37:09,620 Come here. 642 00:37:09,724 --> 00:37:11,965 BELINDA: And he reached through the bars. 643 00:37:12,068 --> 00:37:16,275 I moved so quickly that I almost fell trying to get away. 644 00:37:16,379 --> 00:37:18,448 [laughing] 645 00:37:18,551 --> 00:37:21,034 Then you can hear him laughing, 646 00:37:21,137 --> 00:37:24,241 just laughing, as if it was funny. 647 00:37:24,344 --> 00:37:26,206 Like the whole thing was a joke. 648 00:37:29,137 --> 00:37:34,448 When I was leaving, I saw 649 00:37:34,551 --> 00:37:38,103 my mother talking to my brother's attorney, 650 00:37:38,206 --> 00:37:41,344 and she looked at me, 651 00:37:41,448 --> 00:37:44,413 and she said, "What did you do to my son?" 652 00:37:44,517 --> 00:37:49,103 At that point, I knew that there was 653 00:37:49,206 --> 00:37:53,793 gonna be a huge rift between my mother and I. 654 00:37:53,896 --> 00:37:56,206 Belinda, this is all your fault. 655 00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:58,689 BELINDA: And his attorney made it very clear 656 00:37:58,793 --> 00:38:02,068 that I put the nail in the coffin or the needle in his arm. 657 00:38:02,172 --> 00:38:04,000 He's like, "You killed your brother. 658 00:38:04,103 --> 00:38:07,448 You just killed your brother. You know that, right?" 659 00:38:07,551 --> 00:38:10,034 But I -- I know that 660 00:38:10,137 --> 00:38:12,275 it wasn't me that killed my brother. 661 00:38:22,344 --> 00:38:26,034 I do believe that he deserved the death penalty. 662 00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:29,137 He never said he was sorry for what he did. 663 00:38:29,241 --> 00:38:33,103 He didn't have the remorse. 664 00:38:33,206 --> 00:38:35,206 He wasn't capable of that. 665 00:38:37,103 --> 00:38:40,103 The day before Eric's execution, 666 00:38:40,206 --> 00:38:42,137 I wanted to get some answers 667 00:38:42,241 --> 00:38:45,482 from him and arranged a phone call. 668 00:38:45,586 --> 00:38:47,724 I needed... 669 00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:51,241 to know why he put me in the position he put me in, 670 00:38:51,344 --> 00:38:52,896 and deep down, 671 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,103 I wanted him to say, "Because I knew 672 00:38:56,206 --> 00:38:57,379 you would do the right thing." 673 00:38:57,482 --> 00:38:59,241 Eric, this is the last chance we'll 674 00:38:59,344 --> 00:39:02,689 ever have to talk -- you owe me an answer. 675 00:39:02,793 --> 00:39:05,137 I said, "Okay, I need to know. 676 00:39:05,241 --> 00:39:08,172 "I need to know why you put me in this position 677 00:39:08,275 --> 00:39:11,310 "to have to turn in a murder weapon and testify against you. 678 00:39:11,413 --> 00:39:12,758 Why would you do that to me?" 679 00:39:14,448 --> 00:39:16,965 And he said, "I didn't want to put anybody else in 680 00:39:17,068 --> 00:39:19,034 that position." 681 00:39:19,137 --> 00:39:21,413 That isn't the answer that I wanted. 682 00:39:21,517 --> 00:39:24,103 I said, "You don't know me at all." 683 00:39:24,206 --> 00:39:27,137 And I said, "And I obviously don't know you." 684 00:39:27,241 --> 00:39:32,896 And unfortunately, that was our last conversation. 685 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,862 He was executed the next evening. 686 00:39:47,206 --> 00:39:49,724 On the night of Eric's execution, I was in 687 00:39:49,827 --> 00:39:52,827 the recliner and I had been dozing on and off. 688 00:39:52,931 --> 00:39:55,068 [indistinct talking on TV] 689 00:39:55,172 --> 00:39:59,517 And I don't know what it was, but something just woke me up. 690 00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:03,103 And I said, "It's over. It's done." 691 00:40:03,206 --> 00:40:06,103 I can feel it. 692 00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:08,758 And my ex-husband said, "No, 693 00:40:08,862 --> 00:40:11,241 they haven't said anything about it yet." 694 00:40:11,344 --> 00:40:16,310 And then at the bottom of the screen came across that 695 00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:19,275 Eric Nance was executed, and it had the time. 696 00:40:19,379 --> 00:40:21,724 [indistinct talking on TV] 697 00:40:21,827 --> 00:40:26,172 And I had no way of explaining how... 698 00:40:26,275 --> 00:40:28,137 I knew it. It was just weird. 699 00:40:28,241 --> 00:40:29,896 It was like I felt it. 700 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,551 It was -- like I felt like it was finally over. 701 00:40:33,655 --> 00:40:36,620 [indistinct talking on TV] 702 00:40:43,758 --> 00:40:46,827 BELINDA: I kept playing over and over in my head, 703 00:40:46,931 --> 00:40:49,862 his attorney telling me 704 00:40:49,965 --> 00:40:52,034 that you just killed your brother, and it -- 705 00:40:52,137 --> 00:40:55,482 and that seemed like it made it actually true. 706 00:40:55,586 --> 00:40:59,344 So I carried that burden for a long time, 707 00:40:59,448 --> 00:41:01,517 that I was responsible. 708 00:41:03,034 --> 00:41:06,241 I had so many people say, "No, you killed your brother." 709 00:41:06,344 --> 00:41:09,931 Well, that's their opinion, 710 00:41:10,034 --> 00:41:13,068 and they're entitled to it, but I didn't kill my brother. 711 00:41:14,379 --> 00:41:16,655 My brother killed a girl, 712 00:41:16,758 --> 00:41:18,689 a little girl, she was 18. 713 00:41:18,793 --> 00:41:22,655 That's a little girl to me, and, um... 714 00:41:22,758 --> 00:41:26,310 he paid the price for it. 715 00:41:26,413 --> 00:41:30,000 He had to be held accountable for his actions. 716 00:41:34,655 --> 00:41:36,827 But it was very, very difficult. 717 00:41:36,931 --> 00:41:40,137 I lost a lot of friends over it. 718 00:41:40,241 --> 00:41:41,551 I got divorced. 719 00:41:43,344 --> 00:41:45,655 It is a very, very small community. 720 00:41:45,758 --> 00:41:49,172 So when a family member does something 721 00:41:49,275 --> 00:41:50,931 so horrific that he did, 722 00:41:53,137 --> 00:41:57,448 people associate you with that type of behavior. 723 00:41:57,551 --> 00:42:02,310 So you are now known as Eric Nance's sister. 724 00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:04,965 I don't have a name. 725 00:42:05,068 --> 00:42:06,793 I'm Eric Nance's sister. 726 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,482 I do fear that there's more people like him out there, 727 00:42:13,586 --> 00:42:17,172 and it's made me very aware 728 00:42:17,275 --> 00:42:19,379 that... 729 00:42:19,482 --> 00:42:21,896 he's not the only person in this world that's 730 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,482 done these things or will ever do these things. 731 00:42:27,275 --> 00:42:29,931 I mean, I get terrified at times. 732 00:42:30,034 --> 00:42:33,379 I'm terrified, because if my brother could do something 733 00:42:33,482 --> 00:42:36,344 like that, anybody could do something like that.