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[laughs]
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[Brenda] They could tease
each other all they wanted
but they were very tight kni
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And they loved each other
a lot.
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Bill was just an incredibly
likeable guy.
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[Tim]
When they first got married
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everything was kind of
going along
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the way that it should.
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He tried to normalize
the family
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but it just wasn't normal.
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He just did the wrong thing.
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I've been doing this job
almost 24 years
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and this is definitely one of
the most gruesome scenes
that I came upon in my career.
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When I found out
the whole story
of what really happened,
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I was completely in shock.
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[narrator]
It's Valentine's Day, 1986,
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in LaPlace, Louisiana.
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Friends and family gather
to celebrate the wedding
of 27-year-old Bill Hudnall
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and 24-year-old
Charlotte Hoggin.
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[Tim] It was a good day.
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Bill seemed like
he was very upbeat
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and happy.
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We were happy for him.
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Everybody was happy for him.
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[narrator]
Bill and his 45-year-old mom
Billie,
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share a quiet moment
before the ceremony.
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Bill was closer to my mom
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than my dad.
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She was proud of Bill
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and she liked Charlotte.
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She was happy that
Bill and Charlotte
were getting married.
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[narrator]
Also at the wedding are
Bill's two younger brothers
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26-year-old Tim
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and 22-year-old Joe.
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[Joe] We were always laughin
and joking
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We were close.
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You know, we loved each other.
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He was a good brother.
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That's really how
I remember Bill right there
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that time period.
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[narrator]
Bill was born
on August 24th, 1959
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to Billie and her husband
William Senior,
an officer in the navy.
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Like a lot
of military families,
they move every few years.
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Middle brother, Tim,
is born in South Carolina
in 1960
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and youngest brother, Joe,
arrives in 1964,
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while the family is statione
in Virginia.
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[Tim] Being raised
in a military family,
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you had to adapt
to so many things.
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You just get used to it.
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It meant when we were younge
that we were probably
our best friends.
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We were very close.
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[narrator]
Billie and William senior's
relationship deteriorates
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during the early 1970s.
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The couple finalizes
their divorce in 1974.
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Tim moves with his father
to Jacksonville, Florida,
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while youngest brother, Joe
moves with his mom
to Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
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[Tim] I didn't feel like
Bill took it too well.
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He first started out
living with my dad
and myself.
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[Joe] They were over there
a couple of years
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and then Bill decided
he wanted to come back,
live with mom.
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[narrator] In 1979,
Bill joins the United State
Marine Corps.
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[Tim] My dad was
very proud of him.
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And you know, he told him
how proud he was.
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[Joe] He'd lived in Californ
for a while
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and then he was stationed
in Hawaii
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and then he ended up in Panama
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and then in Jakarta, Indonesia
as an embassy security guard.
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When Bill was in Indonesia,
the on duty guard
committed suicide.
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Bill said he was
the first one there
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and that the guy
was still alive.
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And this was a friend of his
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I think everything changed
then. I don't think
he wanted to do it
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anymore after that.
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[narrator] In 1985,
Bill moves back in
with his mom
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in Louisiana.
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[Tim]
Before Bill was a marine,
he was a pipefitter.
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And so when he got
out of the marines,
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he just went back
into pipefitting.
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[narrator] Bill meets
social security administrato
Charlotte Hoggin at church
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and the pair tie the knot
at Charlotte's parents' hous
just seven months later.
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[Tim] It was a fun wedding.
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Charlotte was very much
in love with Bill.
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She seemed very, very happy
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You are supposed to be
the next person in line
to get married
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when you catch the garter.
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When Bill threw the garter,
he threw it right at me.
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And I didn't really
have a chance to do anything.
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There was a lot of people
there at the wedding
and at the reception.
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So it was a good crowd.
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Bill looks good. He was youn
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Everybody's happy, healthy.
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Those were magical times,
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right there,
we just didn't realize it
at the time.
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I miss those times.
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[narrator] Fast forward
to November 18th, 1988.
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Eighteen months
after Bill's wedding,
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the Hudnall family gathers
to celebrate the marriage
of Tim and his bride, Brenda
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[Tim] My wedding day,
Brenda's family was there
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and it was just a great day.
We had a good time
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and it was exciting
to get married.
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And Bill was very excited
for my wedding.
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[narrator] Bill lines up
as one of his brother's
groomsmen
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in the
United Pentecostal Church
in Gainesville, Florida.
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[Brenda]
The first time I met Bill
was at my wedding rehearsal
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My first impression was
that he really, really
loved his family.
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He was so proud
of his brother,
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um, and honored to be
in the wedding
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and he treated me like famil
the minute I met him.
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He helped calm my nerves
about some of the things
going on with the wedding,
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so instant brotherhood.
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[narrator] Bill attends
his brother's wedding
alone.
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He split from his wife,
Charlotte, in 1987
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after less than a year
of marriage.
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[Tim] Charlotte was
a very devoted wife.
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And she took care of Bill.
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And when Bill and Charlotte
didn't work it out,
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we all definitely thought
it was a loss
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and that Bill had let,
probably the best woman
for him,
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just kind of
slip through the cracks.
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[Joe] He dated
a number of girls
and then just,
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I guess they weren't what...
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what he was looking for.
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[narrator] In 1990,
Bill's life takes
a positive turn
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when he meets 20-year-old
Stephanie Hall.
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Bill and Stephanie met
and they went on a date.
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[Tim] Dad would ask him
what he was going to do
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because he didn't have
any money
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and so Bill told him
he was going to
do a picnic lunch
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by a lake there.
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[Brenda] They dated
once or twice and then
she ended up getting pregnan
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[narrator] Bill and Stephani
agree to marry.
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The couple ties the knot
in January 1991.
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Baby Joshua arrives
on Valentine's Day.
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A year later,
Stephanie gives birth
to a daughter, Guenevere.
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[Joe] Bill loved his kids.
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He took good care of them.
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And he always talked about
the things he would do
with the kids
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You know, he'd
bring them to the park,
bring them different places
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and do things with them.
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He was trying to provide
for his kids.
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But he never pretended
that the relationship
was okay.
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[Brenda]
So as their family grew,
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Stephanie quit her job,
because she felt like
she needed to be at home
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watching the children.
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[Tim] Bill was
the sole breadwinner.
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Even though he was
happy to do it,
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you could always tell
that he felt like
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there was a deficit
because she would not work.
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She wanted to be pampered.
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She wanted to be spoiled.
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She wanted to be given thing
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And she wasn't willing
to lift a finger for it.
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And it was just
a bad situation.
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[narrator] Christmas 1994.
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Tim and Brenda gather
with the rest of
the Hudnall clan
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at Grandma Billie's home
in Louisiana.
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During the holidays,
we would always spend
Christmas with Billie
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or we'd go to
my parents' home.
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[narrator]
Joe films his daughter,
Jessica,
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as she helps
her uncle Tim
with the presents.
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We had wonderful Christmases.
Large gathering,
a lot of food.
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All the kids playing together.
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You know, the passing out
of the presents.
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Everything was usually
very lighthearted and very fun
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and everybody was always
joking about something,
you never knew.
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[narrator] One big part
of the Hudnall family
is missing this Christmas.
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Bill wasn't there and
you know, we're looking
forward to seeing him.
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[Joe] It's always missed Bil
But Bill had been gone
for years.
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Just his life
took different paths.
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You know, the military
and then family and jobs.
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[Brenda] Bill,
I believe at the time
was living in Florida
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because he had gotten
another job over there.
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We were aware that Stephanie
was putting a lot of pressure
on Bill
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to make a lot of money,
and Bill tried.
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[Joe] You know, Stephanie
was spending all the money,
Bill was working.
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So in between jobs,
when the job
would finally end,
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if you hadn't
developed some savings,
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you were going to have
severe financial issues.
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And during one of those times,
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they had moved in with Mom.
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[narrator]
A year earlier, in 1993,
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Billie invited Bill,
Stephanie, Josh and Guen
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to live with her in Louisian
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[Tim] Stephanie would tell
anybody that would listen
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how much she didn't like
staying with my mom.
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You've got somebody cooking
and cleaning
and taking care of you
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and you're griping
about your living conditions
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And it's not costing you
anything to be here.
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[Brenda] She was just very,
very disrespectful
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toward Mom
and toward her things.
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Mom would come home
and the house would be a mess
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and there was no reason for it
because Stephanie
wasn't working.
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And so, Mom finally told Bill
he was going to have to leave,
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he'd have to bring Stephanie
and the kids somewhere else.
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[Brenda] Mom basically
kicked Stephanie
out of the house.
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[narrator] Two years pass
before Bill, Stephanie
and the kids
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visit Billie again.
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The Hudnall clan gathers
at her home in May 1995.
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Joe cracks a joke
about Bill's receding hairli
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but it's not a happy occasio
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Billie has cancer.
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Bill was worried because
this was her second bout.
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She had had it
eight years earlier
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and now she's got it again.
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We tried to make
the best of it
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even though there was
some strained relationships
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between Bill and his mother
and Stephanie, definitely.
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[narrator] Away from
the camera,
Bill and Stephanie's finance
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are stretched
to breaking point.
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Stephanie said that there was
not enough money.
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That was absolutely not true.
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I believe that Bill made
plenty of money
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in all his jobs.
Those were high-paying jobs
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She was just spending it
faster than he could make it
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I would always tell him to
keep it in your pocket,
don't give it to her.
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I've got to give it to her.
No, you don't.
She's not buying food.
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She's just buying junk.
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[Tim] I was like, Bill,
you work the same job
that I work.
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You're making the same
paycheck that I'm making,
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and I'm paying my bills.
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[narrator] On August 13th,
1998, Stephanie gives birth
to another daughter, Gracie
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I don't think the impact
of another child was anywhere
near as significant
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as Stephanie's
spending habits.
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Her refusal to spend the mon
on the correct things
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like a house, bread,
power bill, you know.
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And so the debt collectors
would be coming after her.
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[narrator] Bill saves money
in a secret bank account.
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In 2007, he uses the funds
to buy the family a home
in Florida.
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[Brenda]
The mobile home in Keystone
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Bill actually went out,
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by himself,
didn't tell Stephanie,
didn't tell anybody,
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and then comes home and says
Stephanie, I bought us a hou
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and this is going to be
the last house.
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He was thrilled.
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[narrator]
While Bill is away working,
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Stephanie decides
to homeschool the kids
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without consulting
her husband.
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I think she didn't want
to send her kids to school,
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because she didn't want them
going in and talking about
home life.
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How she took care
of her household, her kids,
her lack of.
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[Brenda]
The house was in squalor.
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The children didn't have
any new clothes.
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[Tim] I had been trying
to get Bill to leave Stephan
for years
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and take his kids with him.
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But Bill would
never leave Stephanie
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because he looked at it as
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her having the ability
to get a good attorney
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to fight about it.
And I told him, I said, Bill,
it's not like that anymore.
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The state of Florida
has laws in place
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that ensure that you're
going to see your kids.
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Why in the world
would you stick around
somebody like that?
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It wasn't shortly after tha
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that him and Stephanie did,
finally, split up.
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[Brenda] When Bill moved out
initially she would let
the kids visit.
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However, if they would tell
their dad they loved him,
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Stephanie would say,
look at this house.
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Your dad never does
anything for us.
This is all his fault.
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He never gives money
to support you
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and he doesn't love you.
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One time when
Guenevere was visiting,
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Bill offered to get her
classes in the
community college
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and Stephanie put a stop to it
and said, no,
you're not going to do that.
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Stephanie didn't want
Guenevere to do anything
outside of her control
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and college would mean
that she would be outside
of her control.
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[narrator] In May 2011,
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19-year-old Guenevere goes t
Uncle Tim and Aunt Brenda's
house,
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to hang out with her cousins
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Guenevere actually
was only allowed to stay over
one time
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and Stephanie called
constantly.
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So I actually took the phon
and turned it off.
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And I told Guenevere
that I'll deal with her mother
about it.
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And that emboldened
Guenevere to
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tell me about
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how she wanted to try to
branch out on her own
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and do her own thing.
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Tim and I offered
to take Guenevere
out of that situation
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and let her move in with us
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When it came time
to actually leave,
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I called her,
told her we were coming,
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and she said
she was not going to leave
because her mother needed her.
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And we were very concerned.
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We couldn't make her leave.
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Our hands were tied.
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My husband and I knew
that it was just going to be
downhill from there.
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[James]
I heard the call come out
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that a male was found bloody
inside his house
by his wife and daughter.
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When I arrived on scene,
Mr. Hudnall was laying
in his bed,
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he's got his bedsheets
tucked under his arms,
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pulled up to his armpits
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and he is just head, chest,
covered in blood.
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Then he had an axe
lying next to him
on the floor,
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with bloodstains on the floo
as well.
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The fact that somebody
picked up this axe,
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and used it at least 17 times
against Mr. Hudnall
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is fairly significant.
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The first thing went through
my mind that this was
pure hate and violence.
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This was a crime of passion.
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Upon my arrival at the scene,
Stephanie and Guen
were out in the yard.
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Stephanie was showing a lot
overexaggerated emotion
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and Guen was...
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...quite the opposite.
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The first thing that
came to mind was
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the possibility of both
being in shock.
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When you find people
that are in shock,
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some will be overexaggerated
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and some will have
no emotion whatsoever.
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[Brenda] I was at home,
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and I get a phone call
from Guenevere.
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She'd say that,
"Brenda, something
has happened to dad."
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I said, "what do you
mean something
has happened to dad?"
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And she said...
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"He's dead."
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"Somebody broke in
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and killed him."
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When we arrived,
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I was always to speak
to Stephanie and Guenevere
when we got to the scene.
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We...
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...needed them to know
that we were gonna
be there for them.
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[Det Myers] I had
Detective Phillips
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and Detective Viscone
start interviewing
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both Stephanie and Guen,
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on the scene to get
their stories.
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[narrator] Stephanie
claims that she discovered
Bill's body
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when she returned his truck
earlier that morning.
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She says that she and Guen
had borrowed the truck
the night before.
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Stephanie advised that
she and Guen
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had gone to the home
of Bill in the Mustang
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to pick up his vehicle
to borrow it
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the following day to take Gu
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to different massage school
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in Ocala, as the Mustang
that they had
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did not run very good
and the air conditioner
didn't work well.
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Stephanie stated that she le
by 8:00, 8:30
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and she drove the Mustang ho
because the taillights
didn't work in it.
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And she wanted to have
it home before dark.
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00:23:45,258 --> 00:23:48,392
And she said that Guen
then drove
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Bill's vehicle home.
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And she was home somewhere
between 9:00 and 9:30
that evening.
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[narrator] Next, detectives
interview Guen Hudnall.
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[Det Myers]
The story that Guen
gave was that
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they were there to pick up
the vehicle
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00:24:07,213 --> 00:24:10,714
to take a door off
to go to the local dump.
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00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:15,319
Guen said she drove
her Mustang home.
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00:24:17,356 --> 00:24:19,824
And her mom drove
her dad's car home.
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[narrator]
Detective Phillips asked Gue
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if she and her mom
made it to the dump
the following morning.
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Guen replies, "No".
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00:24:32,205 --> 00:24:34,738
We realized that they
had conflicting stories.
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00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:38,008
Their stories were
inconsistent on
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00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:40,411
the reason why they were
borrowing the vehicle,
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who drove the vehicle home
the night before.
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And that made us believe
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00:24:46,252 --> 00:24:49,820
that we needed to look
more into these two
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00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:52,523
as possibly being
involved in this.
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They were asked by
the detectives
to come in originally
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to do elimination fingerprin
and DNA.
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00:25:11,077 --> 00:25:15,713
While they were there
doing that, they were asked
if they would speak to me,
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as I'm the lead detective
on the case.
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[narrator] Detective Myers
interviews Stephanie first.
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[Det Myers speaking]
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[Det Myers speaking]
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00:25:38,804 --> 00:25:39,503
[Stephanie responding]
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00:25:43,943 --> 00:25:44,742
[Det Myers speaking]
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00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:50,147
[Stephanie responding]
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00:25:55,955 --> 00:25:57,288
[narrator]
Stephanie's account matches
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what she told
Detective Phillips
the day before.
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00:26:00,993 --> 00:26:05,095
Then I asked her what
transpired that morning.
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00:26:05,831 --> 00:26:06,764
[Det Myers speaking]
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00:26:07,533 --> 00:26:08,232
[Stephanie responding]
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00:26:32,725 --> 00:26:33,958
[Stephanie on voice call]
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00:26:35,728 --> 00:26:36,527
[dispatcher speaking]
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00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:39,195
[Stephanie speaking]
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[narrator] Detective Myers
interviews Guen next.
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[Det Myers speaking]
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00:26:49,542 --> 00:26:50,407
[Guen speaking]
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00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,018
[Det Myers speaking]
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00:27:02,355 --> 00:27:03,286
[Guen speaking]
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00:27:05,057 --> 00:27:07,324
[Det Myers]
She changed her story.
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00:27:07,326 --> 00:27:09,426
Her story was completely
different
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00:27:09,428 --> 00:27:12,730
than what she had told
the detectives,
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00:27:12,732 --> 00:27:14,131
the day prior.
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00:27:15,701 --> 00:27:16,700
[Det Myers speaking]
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00:27:25,444 --> 00:27:26,643
[Guen speaking]
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00:27:37,857 --> 00:27:40,724
[Det Myers] Everything
in Guen's interview,
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00:27:40,726 --> 00:27:43,527
now was beginning
to slowly match up
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00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:46,063
to Stephanie's interview.
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00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:49,033
It was obvious to me,
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00:27:49,134 --> 00:27:51,902
one or both of them
were lying.
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00:27:58,644 --> 00:27:59,543
[Det Myers speaking]
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00:28:02,815 --> 00:28:03,514
[Tom speaking]
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00:28:04,817 --> 00:28:05,815
[Det Myers speaking]
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00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:12,923
It was a thought of mine
to do a polygraph,
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00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:17,327
due to the fact that
both of their statements
had been inconsistent
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00:28:17,329 --> 00:28:18,529
from the very beginning.
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00:28:19,131 --> 00:28:20,631
[Tom speaking]
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00:28:32,411 --> 00:28:35,212
[narrator]
Guen must answer each
of the examiner's questions
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00:28:35,214 --> 00:28:37,314
either yes or no.
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00:28:37,316 --> 00:28:39,817
Her test is scheduled
to take 90 minutes.
398
00:28:44,523 --> 00:28:45,622
[Tom speaking]
399
00:28:47,326 --> 00:28:48,025
[Guen responding]
400
00:28:49,428 --> 00:28:50,227
[Tom speaking]
401
00:28:56,836 --> 00:28:57,601
[Guen responding]
402
00:28:59,138 --> 00:29:00,003
[Tom speaking]
403
00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:03,273
[Guen responding]
404
00:29:03,275 --> 00:29:05,409
[Det Myers] When you
tell a lie on a polygraph,
405
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:07,111
your blood pressure goes up
406
00:29:07,113 --> 00:29:09,613
your breathing gets sporadic,
407
00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:11,915
um, your hands
get a little sweatier.
408
00:29:14,153 --> 00:29:14,952
[Tom speaking]
409
00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:21,758
[Guen responding]
410
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,561
[narrator] The examiner
ends the test after
just 19 minutes.
411
00:29:27,633 --> 00:29:28,532
[Tom speaking]
412
00:29:37,843 --> 00:29:38,742
[Guen responding]
413
00:29:38,844 --> 00:29:40,244
[Tom speaking]
414
00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:44,915
He confronted her with
the fact that she
was being deceptive
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00:29:44,917 --> 00:29:47,551
and was lying about
what happened.
416
00:29:47,653 --> 00:29:48,519
[Guen responding]
417
00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:49,820
[Tom responding]
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00:29:49,822 --> 00:29:51,121
[Guen speaking]
419
00:29:52,057 --> 00:29:54,324
[Tom speaking]
420
00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:58,662
She was called out flat on it.
421
00:29:58,731 --> 00:30:01,131
And he knew that
she was involved in this.
422
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,933
[Tom speaking]
423
00:30:10,442 --> 00:30:11,608
[Guen, voice breaking]
424
00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:12,442
[Tom speaking]
425
00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:17,648
[Guen responding]
426
00:30:37,703 --> 00:30:38,969
[Tom speaking]
427
00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:41,371
[Guen speaking softly]
428
00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:43,040
[Tom speaking]
429
00:30:47,813 --> 00:30:50,914
[narrator] Guen describes
what happened on the day
of Bill's murder.
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00:30:53,219 --> 00:30:56,520
Guen went to her father's
house that evening
to stay the night.
431
00:30:58,624 --> 00:31:01,625
Not to borrow his truck,
as she claimed previously.
432
00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:05,729
[Guen speaking]
433
00:31:10,803 --> 00:31:11,735
[Tom speaking]
434
00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:16,440
[Guen speaking]
435
00:31:18,143 --> 00:31:19,042
[Tom speaking]
436
00:31:25,317 --> 00:31:26,282
[Guen whispering]
437
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,454
[Det Myers]
I was very surprised.
438
00:31:30,555 --> 00:31:33,624
At no point in this
investigation did I think,
439
00:31:33,626 --> 00:31:36,026
she was the one
that physically did this.
440
00:31:36,829 --> 00:31:37,761
[Tom speaking]
441
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:43,767
[Guen responding]
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00:31:47,506 --> 00:31:51,108
At this point, I felt like
that there was a lot more
to the story
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00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:54,945
and that Guen was trying
to keep her mom out of it.
444
00:31:59,218 --> 00:32:01,051
So we walked her
into the room.
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00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:03,320
Where Stephanie was sitting.
446
00:32:05,557 --> 00:32:06,423
[Guen, voice breaking]
447
00:32:33,652 --> 00:32:34,651
[Stephanie responding]
448
00:32:34,753 --> 00:32:37,054
[Det Myers speaking]
449
00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:50,100
[Stephanie speaking]
450
00:32:50,102 --> 00:32:52,302
[Guen responding]
451
00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,438
[Det Myers] She tried
to play it off like,
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00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:57,474
she had no idea that
Guen had done this.
453
00:32:57,476 --> 00:33:01,578
And that she had
no involvement and nothing
to do with it.
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00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:04,514
And that's when I sat down
with Stephanie again
455
00:33:04,516 --> 00:33:08,352
and I pushed her to be
a little more honest with us
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00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:10,854
about what happened
that night.
457
00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:13,423
[Det Myers speaking]
458
00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:15,258
[Stephanie responding]
459
00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:19,363
[Det Myers speaking]
460
00:33:19,464 --> 00:33:20,230
[Stephanie responding]
461
00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:23,600
[Det Myers speaking]
462
00:33:25,704 --> 00:33:27,104
[Stephanie responding]
463
00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:02,839
[Det Myers] Stephanie had be
lying from the beginning.
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00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:07,411
And now, she was slowly
starting to throw Guen
under the bus.
465
00:34:08,947 --> 00:34:12,516
She was trying to take
herself out of the equation
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00:34:12,518 --> 00:34:14,618
and put Guen there.
467
00:34:16,422 --> 00:34:20,957
I started to believe
that Stephanie
was more involved
468
00:34:20,959 --> 00:34:23,460
than either one
of them let on.
469
00:34:24,663 --> 00:34:27,030
This entire plan was nothin
470
00:34:27,032 --> 00:34:30,600
that Guen would have
been able to come up
with on her own.
471
00:34:33,038 --> 00:34:35,939
I knew that Stephanie had more
to do with this.
472
00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:46,650
[Det Myers] At this point
in the investigation,
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00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:48,718
there was no doubt
in my mind that
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00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,256
Stephanie had a lot more to do
with this entire thing
from start to finish.
475
00:34:55,727 --> 00:34:58,061
When I went back
to speak with Guen,
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00:34:58,130 --> 00:35:02,199
I asked her to run me through
everything that had happened
477
00:35:02,201 --> 00:35:04,701
after she murdered her father.
478
00:35:05,838 --> 00:35:06,837
[Det Myers speaking]
479
00:35:12,711 --> 00:35:13,610
[Guen mumbles]
480
00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:15,412
[Det Myers speaking]
481
00:35:18,951 --> 00:35:19,950
[Guen responding]
482
00:35:21,053 --> 00:35:21,852
[Det Myers speaking]
483
00:35:22,321 --> 00:35:23,319
[Guen responding]
484
00:35:25,958 --> 00:35:30,527
Her mom helped her
put her clothed in a pot
485
00:35:31,296 --> 00:35:32,829
and they burned the clothes
486
00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:38,935
In an attempt to help her
cover up what she had done.
487
00:35:43,041 --> 00:35:43,807
[Det Myers speaking]
488
00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:46,676
[Guen responding]
489
00:36:09,735 --> 00:36:12,702
[narrator] Detective Myers
interviews Stephanie
one more time.
490
00:36:14,106 --> 00:36:16,106
-[Det Myers speaking]
-[Stephanie sobbing]
491
00:36:35,861 --> 00:36:36,993
-[Stephanie responding]
-Right.
492
00:36:54,846 --> 00:36:58,114
She knew at that time that
she was in trouble as well
493
00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:01,952
and that's when she started
talking a little bit more.
494
00:37:01,954 --> 00:37:03,552
[Stephanie speaking breathily]
495
00:37:33,318 --> 00:37:36,953
[Det Myers] She went
into detail about
the fact of the money.
496
00:37:36,955 --> 00:37:39,055
And that they needed help
497
00:37:39,157 --> 00:37:42,959
because they were losing
their home.
498
00:37:43,061 --> 00:37:46,696
Guen said that it was
because of her father
499
00:37:46,698 --> 00:37:50,800
that they were getting evict
from the house in Keystone.
500
00:37:50,802 --> 00:37:54,738
And it was obvious she
would not know any of this,
501
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,208
had this not been told to her
502
00:37:58,210 --> 00:38:01,344
and put in her mind
by Stephanie, her mom.
503
00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:03,613
[Det Myers speaking]
504
00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:10,553
[Stephanie responding]
505
00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:24,801
[Det Myers] I did believe th
it was pre-planned between
the two of them
506
00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:27,304
that Guen was going
to kill Bill.
507
00:38:27,306 --> 00:38:31,107
There's not a doubt
in my mind that Stephanie kn
508
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:33,243
that she was driving Guen
509
00:38:34,112 --> 00:38:37,447
to go kill Bill on that nigh
510
00:38:37,516 --> 00:38:40,617
The two of them
were arrested that evening.
511
00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:44,354
On the homicide charges
of Bill Hudnall.
512
00:38:50,262 --> 00:38:55,198
[narrator] Guen agrees
to adhere with prosecutors
to testify against her mothe
513
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,300
It would have been
more difficult to convict
514
00:38:58,337 --> 00:39:01,438
Stephanie, uh,
without Guen's testimony.
515
00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:05,141
Guen is the one that lays ou
516
00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:08,311
the level of her involvemen
and the level of her plannin
517
00:39:08,313 --> 00:39:10,613
Guen admitted that
the murder was premeditated.
518
00:39:12,017 --> 00:39:14,818
We also knew that
Stephanie was culpable
519
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:19,022
and highly involved,
and that she assisted Guen
in committing this murder.
520
00:39:19,024 --> 00:39:22,425
And she helped plan with Guen
to commit this murder
521
00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:24,894
and she helped
to cover up the murder
522
00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:30,033
by the burning of the clothes
and coming up with stories
to tell law enforcement.
523
00:39:30,102 --> 00:39:34,704
[narrator] Prosecutors piece
together what led Guen Hudna
to murder her father.
524
00:39:35,841 --> 00:39:38,408
[Det Myers] Stephanie
had gotten in Guen's head
525
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:41,845
that the two of them
were going to get
rid of Bill,
526
00:39:41,946 --> 00:39:44,748
so they could get
his social security check.
527
00:39:47,018 --> 00:39:49,519
Stephanie made Guen feel like
528
00:39:49,521 --> 00:39:53,957
this was the only way
for the two of them
to make it financially.
529
00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:59,529
Guen went there
with the intent
to kill her dad.
530
00:39:59,531 --> 00:40:03,333
Because it was going
to make her mom
and her lives
531
00:40:03,435 --> 00:40:05,935
easier without him
being alive.
532
00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:09,706
She went and got the pickaxe
533
00:40:13,044 --> 00:40:14,411
Walked into the bedroom.
534
00:40:15,847 --> 00:40:18,047
Behind him,
where he was sleeping.
535
00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:22,318
And started hitting him
with the axe.
536
00:40:26,525 --> 00:40:29,559
[narrator] The job done,
Stephanie helps cover
her daughter's tracks.
537
00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:34,197
Stephanie cuts a deal
when she learns
538
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,600
that her daughter
will testify against her.
539
00:40:37,602 --> 00:40:42,539
Both women agree with
prosecutors to plead guilty
to second-degree murder.
540
00:40:42,607 --> 00:40:46,242
[Brenda] They took a plea
bargain down to second degre
and she gave her mother up.
541
00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:50,447
Because we, as a family, sai
it was more important to us
542
00:40:50,548 --> 00:40:53,817
that her mother
get charged with this,
543
00:40:53,819 --> 00:40:56,820
then it was for Guenevere
to be put to death.
544
00:41:02,093 --> 00:41:05,428
[narrator] On Tuesday,
September 25th, 2012
545
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:09,699
a judge at Alachua County
Criminal Justice Center
in Gainesville,
546
00:41:09,701 --> 00:41:13,136
sentences both
Stephanie and Guen
to 40 years in prison.
547
00:41:16,608 --> 00:41:17,607
[Tim behind camera]
548
00:41:20,545 --> 00:41:23,346
[Brenda] Bill was
all about family
549
00:41:23,414 --> 00:41:24,814
[voice breaking]
and he was a good friend.
550
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,119
He was a great brother-in-la
and a brother.
551
00:41:32,557 --> 00:41:34,557
And I'm gonna miss him.
And I do miss him.
552
00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:39,529
[Tim] I loved Bill,
he was my brother.
553
00:41:39,531 --> 00:41:43,032
I believe he made a lot
of bad choices.
554
00:41:44,102 --> 00:41:47,103
But even in his bad choices
555
00:41:47,105 --> 00:41:49,038
he still meant well.
556
00:41:50,842 --> 00:41:55,445
[Joe] I remember Bill now
like when we were kids,
teenagers.
557
00:41:55,547 --> 00:41:58,748
And we always kinds threw
rocks at each other, you know?
558
00:41:58,817 --> 00:42:01,117
Joking and teasing, you know?
559
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,254
You know, we loved each other.
He was a good brother.
560
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:05,522
You know...