1 00:00:26,694 --> 00:00:31,694 Subtitles by explosiveskull 2 00:00:42,707 --> 00:00:46,009 My name is Sophia Crane. It's March 3rd, 2004. 3 00:00:46,011 --> 00:00:49,211 I'm a film student and this is my senior thesis. 4 00:00:49,213 --> 00:00:51,714 I don't know how much longer I'm going to be alive, 5 00:00:51,716 --> 00:00:53,683 so I ask whoever find this, 6 00:00:53,685 --> 00:00:55,351 please apply the first and second halves 7 00:00:55,353 --> 00:00:58,890 of this final interview to the beginning and end of my film. 8 00:00:59,825 --> 00:01:01,958 I don't know where to make the cut. 9 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,960 This is the story of Peeping Tom 10 00:01:03,962 --> 00:01:05,965 and how I went looking for him. 11 00:01:06,932 --> 00:01:09,734 Please show this to my parents. 12 00:01:11,102 --> 00:01:14,336 I don't know how much longer I can go without blinking. 13 00:01:18,343 --> 00:01:20,680 Morning, fellas. Come on in. 14 00:01:21,879 --> 00:01:23,979 So, this is the house I was telling you about. 15 00:01:23,981 --> 00:01:25,817 This is my in-laws' house. 16 00:01:27,486 --> 00:01:33,823 The information that we have on it, it seems to have been built around 1970-75, 17 00:01:33,825 --> 00:01:37,726 I can't really find any information other than that, 18 00:01:37,728 --> 00:01:40,665 but down here in the basement 19 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,401 is where Bart found it. 20 00:01:44,403 --> 00:01:47,936 I'll turn the light on. Now, I have repositioned it 21 00:01:47,938 --> 00:01:51,707 for presentation purposes so, if you'll bear with me... 22 00:01:51,709 --> 00:01:54,978 Here, just going to go and dig it out. 23 00:01:54,980 --> 00:01:58,216 Right now if you can see me, it was right under here. 24 00:01:59,751 --> 00:02:05,224 It was this... box. Come over here, I'll show it to you. 25 00:02:08,359 --> 00:02:10,393 Don't watch, huh. 26 00:02:10,395 --> 00:02:16,131 Pretty eerie, but isn't that how all good horror movies start? 27 00:02:16,133 --> 00:02:19,938 A little mystery, a little riddle. 28 00:02:22,174 --> 00:02:24,941 Well, my husband recently retired, 29 00:02:24,943 --> 00:02:28,344 we find this beautiful house that we both loved 30 00:02:28,346 --> 00:02:32,347 and I guess it was just before Thanksgiving. 31 00:02:32,349 --> 00:02:35,719 My husband went down in the basement, did what guys do, you know, 32 00:02:35,721 --> 00:02:39,788 check the boiler, check the air conditioning, play with the filters, things like that. 33 00:02:39,790 --> 00:02:44,860 He found this box full of tapes. 34 00:02:44,862 --> 00:02:48,064 She thought that Gavin could use them for work, 35 00:02:48,066 --> 00:02:52,469 because he does wedding videos and 36 00:02:52,471 --> 00:02:56,439 she thought maybe he can tape over them, or something, like to save money, 37 00:02:56,441 --> 00:03:00,410 but there are mini DVs so we don't really use them anymore. 38 00:03:00,412 --> 00:03:05,084 You know, I thought maybe Gavin can take a look at them, see what's on them, 39 00:03:05,950 --> 00:03:12,290 something as like a little project to keep him interested and excited about film. 40 00:03:14,126 --> 00:03:17,427 And the very first one that I picked up says: 41 00:03:17,429 --> 00:03:19,129 Final Solution. 42 00:03:19,131 --> 00:03:21,096 Alright, that's the first one I watched, 43 00:03:21,098 --> 00:03:23,968 I mean, how could you not watch anything like that, right? 44 00:03:25,103 --> 00:03:29,873 So what happened on the tape Final Solution, what did you see? 45 00:03:29,875 --> 00:03:35,210 A young lady identifies herself as Sophia Crane, a film student. 46 00:03:35,212 --> 00:03:38,381 Total coincidence, as a film major, film major, 47 00:03:38,383 --> 00:03:41,854 so already we're simpatico, which is great. 48 00:03:42,888 --> 00:03:46,523 She's upset about the school project, she's stressed out a little bit, 49 00:03:46,525 --> 00:03:50,393 and then it got a little upsetting after that and a little bit weird. 50 00:03:50,395 --> 00:03:53,996 Some violence, some things that I don't really wanna say right now, 51 00:03:53,998 --> 00:03:56,098 we don't what to give it all away. 52 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:58,000 But let's just say that I had to watch 53 00:03:58,002 --> 00:04:01,203 about the next 40 tapes immediately after that. 54 00:04:01,205 --> 00:04:06,008 First thing I did was, of course, call the previous owner that we bought the house from, 55 00:04:06,010 --> 00:04:09,012 left voicemail messages saying that I found a box, 56 00:04:09,014 --> 00:04:10,880 found something that probably belongs to them. 57 00:04:10,882 --> 00:04:12,548 I never heard back from them, 58 00:04:12,550 --> 00:04:16,485 and then eventually the phone number was just unlisted. 59 00:04:16,487 --> 00:04:20,957 But the footage never actually takes place in your in-laws' house. 60 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:27,596 No, it doesn't, and that's another kind of fun, clinky dink about this whole thing. 61 00:04:27,598 --> 00:04:30,168 What are you doing in regards to the home? 62 00:04:32,370 --> 00:04:33,870 Selling it. 63 00:04:33,872 --> 00:04:35,538 After the first tape, 64 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:38,440 the next tape that I saw there was called Rough Edit. 65 00:04:38,442 --> 00:04:41,444 Everything looks really good, there is interviews on the street, 66 00:04:41,446 --> 00:04:46,916 really nice flow, and then after about ten minutes it gets really choppy. 67 00:04:46,918 --> 00:04:49,319 And it's about 40 or so tapes in here, 68 00:04:49,321 --> 00:04:52,322 so it's like they got too busy to cut it together and they just kept 69 00:04:52,324 --> 00:04:55,895 filming and filming and filming and they didn't really know when to stop. 70 00:04:56,595 --> 00:05:02,130 - So what did you do? - Well, being a good filmmaker 71 00:05:02,132 --> 00:05:05,468 as I am, I took their film and I finished it. 72 00:05:05,470 --> 00:05:10,173 I edited it together myself, I took their film 73 00:05:10,175 --> 00:05:12,474 and made it my film, so now it's finished, 74 00:05:12,476 --> 00:05:15,480 now it's completed the way that it should have been. 75 00:05:16,615 --> 00:05:20,949 And what did you think when you saw it all in sequence? 76 00:05:23,221 --> 00:05:27,190 Well, I didn't really sleep 77 00:05:27,192 --> 00:05:30,862 for a couple of days after that. 78 00:05:42,908 --> 00:05:47,980 Behind me stands the Ilchester tunnel, home to the B&O... Shit, again. 79 00:05:48,646 --> 00:05:50,081 Are we rolling? 80 00:05:53,985 --> 00:05:56,452 Well, I mean, to me it looks it... 81 00:06:09,134 --> 00:06:14,036 Behind me stands the Ilchester tunnel, a thruway for the B&O Railroad for over a century. 82 00:06:14,038 --> 00:06:19,074 But for the past 80 years, for local residents, it has become something far more sinister. 83 00:06:19,076 --> 00:06:20,409 It's become home to... 84 00:06:20,411 --> 00:06:22,411 - Peeping Tom. - Peeping Tom. 85 00:06:22,413 --> 00:06:25,315 - The Blink Man. - Mr. Blink. 86 00:06:25,317 --> 00:06:27,149 - Peeping Tom. - Peeping Tom. 87 00:06:27,151 --> 00:06:29,485 - The Blink Man. - The Ilchester The Molester. 88 00:06:29,487 --> 00:06:30,687 The Tunnel Guy? 89 00:06:30,689 --> 00:06:32,555 - Peeping Tom. - Old Blinky. 90 00:06:32,557 --> 00:06:34,389 Alright, so you guys have ever seen him before? 91 00:06:34,391 --> 00:06:36,291 Unless I'm a ghost right now, then no! 92 00:06:36,293 --> 00:06:38,428 If I saw him, I'd be dead. 93 00:06:38,430 --> 00:06:42,197 Yes, I did know this one fellow around my age, 94 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:46,601 this is back around 64-65 or so, he saw The Blink Man. 95 00:06:46,603 --> 00:06:50,173 - What happened to him? - Well, he died. 96 00:06:50,175 --> 00:06:53,743 Peeping Tom is the kind of creature that you can summon up, 97 00:06:53,745 --> 00:06:58,348 so there is a ritual, those teen pilgrimages, you know, the midnight road trip, 98 00:06:58,350 --> 00:07:01,317 you show up at the trestle end of the tunnel at midnight 99 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:07,423 and you have to stare down this tunnel, looking at the end for a full hour. 100 00:07:07,425 --> 00:07:09,726 And if you can do this without blinking, 101 00:07:09,728 --> 00:07:14,663 Peeping Tom comes out of the shadows and materializes in front of you. 102 00:07:14,665 --> 00:07:19,267 Now he's the class of supernatural creature called a Flimmern-Geist. 103 00:07:19,269 --> 00:07:22,738 German alchemists came up with this term in the 1500s 104 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:26,375 for that thing, that you see in the corner of your eyes 105 00:07:26,377 --> 00:07:30,346 and when you look around to see it, there's nothing there. 106 00:07:30,348 --> 00:07:32,180 Peeping Tom is a Flimmern-Geist 107 00:07:32,182 --> 00:07:35,084 that you can actually bring into view. 108 00:07:35,086 --> 00:07:37,753 - Well, he's tall, dark coat. - Skinny. 109 00:07:37,755 --> 00:07:39,454 - Top hat. - Big scary eyes. 110 00:07:39,456 --> 00:07:41,324 Mostly I've heard that he's just a shadow, 111 00:07:41,326 --> 00:07:44,293 'cause he's like in your peripheral vision. 112 00:07:44,295 --> 00:07:46,529 Instantly there, then not there, then there again. 113 00:07:46,531 --> 00:07:48,731 There was this one chick, in particular, 114 00:07:48,733 --> 00:07:51,500 a few years ago, she went to the school right down the road. 115 00:07:51,502 --> 00:07:54,370 Her and her friends went up to the tunnel rail 116 00:07:54,372 --> 00:07:59,108 and they started staring down, she was the only one who could stare for... you have to stare 117 00:07:59,110 --> 00:08:00,243 - for an hour. - For an hour. 118 00:08:00,245 --> 00:08:02,110 The twist is that 119 00:08:02,112 --> 00:08:05,281 once you've seen him, you can't unsee him. 120 00:08:05,283 --> 00:08:09,351 Every time you blink, he's a little bit closer 121 00:08:09,353 --> 00:08:14,423 and he comes closer and closer each time you blink until he's right in your face. 122 00:08:14,425 --> 00:08:16,659 He sounds scary, what does he do? 123 00:08:16,661 --> 00:08:18,094 - Gets you. - Gets you. 124 00:08:18,096 --> 00:08:19,228 And now you've already proved 125 00:08:19,230 --> 00:08:20,562 that you can keep your eyes open 126 00:08:20,564 --> 00:08:22,164 for a long time, 127 00:08:22,166 --> 00:08:23,699 because that's how you conjure him up. 128 00:08:23,701 --> 00:08:25,401 When he's right up there, 129 00:08:25,403 --> 00:08:27,402 the temptation is death staring you in the face, 130 00:08:27,404 --> 00:08:29,337 you do anything you can to avoid him. 131 00:08:29,339 --> 00:08:31,139 But he's got a trick up his sleeve, 132 00:08:31,141 --> 00:08:32,574 he has very long eyelashes 133 00:08:32,576 --> 00:08:35,143 and you know that thing that you do with babies, 134 00:08:35,145 --> 00:08:37,213 to give them a little, he does that, 135 00:08:37,215 --> 00:08:41,349 and then you can't help it, you blink. What do we call that... 136 00:08:41,351 --> 00:08:43,419 Can I show it, like... Butterfly... 137 00:08:43,421 --> 00:08:45,555 ...butterfly kisses. 138 00:08:45,557 --> 00:08:47,623 I'm pretty sure there's only, I don't know, 139 00:08:47,625 --> 00:08:51,426 a couple of people in the world, period, 140 00:08:51,428 --> 00:08:54,229 that can stare for an hour straight. 141 00:08:54,231 --> 00:08:57,733 I think the world record, I don't even know if the world record is an hour. 142 00:08:57,735 --> 00:09:03,305 I think the record is probably maybe 30 minutes, 40 minutes. 143 00:09:03,307 --> 00:09:05,407 It's really hard to stare at something without blinking 144 00:09:05,409 --> 00:09:09,277 for even 10 or 15 minutes. It will be really difficult for most people. 145 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:13,682 Well, of course, there's no record of it. People too busy dying to report it. 146 00:09:13,684 --> 00:09:18,186 Even if you made it out to that long, I mean the vision will be quite blurred and, again, 147 00:09:18,188 --> 00:09:21,357 you know, I can't emphasize enough, the pain would be excruciating. 148 00:09:21,359 --> 00:09:26,462 As with all the best folklore and urban legends, 149 00:09:26,464 --> 00:09:30,266 you can't really verify any of the details in this. 150 00:09:30,268 --> 00:09:32,368 It's always happened to a friend of a friend. 151 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:37,473 My brother's friend used to tell the story that his uncle told him. 152 00:09:37,475 --> 00:09:40,575 And they got freaked out after a while and they ran away 153 00:09:40,577 --> 00:09:42,744 but she did stay there the whole hour. 154 00:09:42,746 --> 00:09:45,348 Like a month later they found his body 155 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:47,315 floating in the Patapsco River. 156 00:09:47,317 --> 00:09:48,884 She ended up trying to look out a window, 157 00:09:48,886 --> 00:09:50,652 she tried to burn out her eyes... 158 00:09:50,654 --> 00:09:52,488 By looking at the sun. 159 00:09:52,490 --> 00:09:54,290 Even though she couldn't see him, 160 00:09:54,292 --> 00:09:55,892 his presence was still there 161 00:09:55,894 --> 00:09:58,361 so she, you know, she thought the whole time, she gets blinks, 162 00:09:58,363 --> 00:09:59,695 she ended up blinking, but she... 163 00:09:59,697 --> 00:10:01,664 Can she beat Peeping Tom? 164 00:10:01,666 --> 00:10:04,536 - Can't cheat, though. - Can't cheat Peeping Tom. 165 00:10:05,769 --> 00:10:08,403 You know, I think you'd be pushing the limits, I think, 166 00:10:08,405 --> 00:10:10,739 of the human anatomy and physiology, 167 00:10:10,741 --> 00:10:13,242 but maybe that's possible. 168 00:10:13,244 --> 00:10:14,776 Obviously, from he shared with me, 169 00:10:14,778 --> 00:10:17,582 that would be a terrible idea, if that's for real. 170 00:10:18,515 --> 00:10:20,815 Absence of proof hasn't caused absence of belief. 171 00:10:20,817 --> 00:10:23,752 Ilchester tunnel is still a late night hang out for teenagers 172 00:10:23,754 --> 00:10:26,254 and a popular spot for fraternity hazing. 173 00:10:26,256 --> 00:10:31,662 It's a dare often attempted, but apparently seldom completed. Until now. 174 00:10:32,429 --> 00:10:35,531 You show up at the trestle end of the tunnel at midnight... 175 00:10:35,533 --> 00:10:37,733 The metadata on the tapes 176 00:10:37,735 --> 00:10:41,671 show that it was filmed between February 14th 177 00:10:41,673 --> 00:10:45,241 and March 3rd of 2004. 178 00:10:45,243 --> 00:10:50,378 OK, so I went back and I looked at all of the local colleges, 179 00:10:50,380 --> 00:10:54,617 I called, I walked into every college in town, 180 00:10:54,619 --> 00:10:58,554 showed them pictures of Sophia, showed them pictures of Feldman. 181 00:10:58,556 --> 00:11:01,958 No information. You can't get past these people at all. 182 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,896 There's no record of a doctor Wolfe who's supposedly their professor, 183 00:11:06,898 --> 00:11:12,401 there's no indication that the Peeping Tom specialist that Sophia and Feldman 184 00:11:12,403 --> 00:11:16,305 go and speak to in his home even exists, 185 00:11:16,307 --> 00:11:20,709 an Asian American man, I believe he's supposed to be an eye specialist. 186 00:11:20,711 --> 00:11:24,347 There's no title cards to show that this person even exists. 187 00:11:24,349 --> 00:11:29,719 I analyzed them, and I watched them repeatedly, I looked back on 188 00:11:29,721 --> 00:11:33,656 every incident reported I could find that would have matched 189 00:11:33,658 --> 00:11:38,460 any of these people, and I can't find anything that matches up. 190 00:11:38,462 --> 00:11:42,797 My hunch would say he probably found either some student films 191 00:11:42,799 --> 00:11:46,736 or just somebody making her own horror movie or something like that. 192 00:11:46,738 --> 00:11:51,339 There's no cuts, there's no retakes, there's no calling for action, 193 00:11:51,341 --> 00:11:54,443 aside from the first two minutes of the movie, 194 00:11:54,445 --> 00:11:58,917 where Sophia is obviously directing herself, 195 00:11:59,984 --> 00:12:04,489 there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that somebody is directing them. 196 00:12:05,322 --> 00:12:10,358 I've been staring at it for the better part of six months right now. 197 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,628 I believe it's 100% genuine. 198 00:12:13,630 --> 00:12:15,031 It looks like found footage. 199 00:12:15,033 --> 00:12:16,364 - Movie. - Alright. 200 00:12:16,366 --> 00:12:18,033 Found footage, I mean, 201 00:12:18,035 --> 00:12:19,969 what does that really mean? 202 00:12:19,971 --> 00:12:21,804 Did I find the footage? 203 00:12:21,806 --> 00:12:24,339 Was it handed to me and then am I presenting it again? Yes. 204 00:12:24,341 --> 00:12:25,907 That would be considered found footage, 205 00:12:25,909 --> 00:12:27,877 but as far as putting a horror movie together, 206 00:12:27,879 --> 00:12:30,378 I don't really think that there's any... 207 00:12:30,380 --> 00:12:31,814 I'm a, I'm a real filmmaker. 208 00:12:31,816 --> 00:12:33,916 OK, so we're not gonna be making horror movies. 209 00:12:33,918 --> 00:12:37,652 We're gonna try to reveal the truth of something 210 00:12:37,654 --> 00:12:41,525 that's a mystery or kind of get something out of it. 211 00:12:42,726 --> 00:12:45,761 When you make a film that is presenting itself 212 00:12:45,763 --> 00:12:48,763 as roughly cut together found footage, 213 00:12:48,765 --> 00:12:52,734 you are building in your excuse for anything that's wrong with it. 214 00:12:52,736 --> 00:12:57,506 Uh, hey folks, this is the footage we found, we're just presenting it, yeah. 215 00:12:57,508 --> 00:13:01,410 The camera jiggles all over the place, not because we didn't know how to hold 216 00:13:01,412 --> 00:13:05,480 a hand-held camera steady, but because these were kids lost in the woods 217 00:13:05,482 --> 00:13:07,483 getting more and more scared all the time. 218 00:13:07,485 --> 00:13:09,785 I think what would make it more real, 219 00:13:09,787 --> 00:13:12,821 would be if it were the first one out there 220 00:13:12,823 --> 00:13:15,557 and they were not following a certain genre. 221 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,826 It works on a low-budget level 222 00:13:17,828 --> 00:13:20,698 and that's the primary reason for, I think, for doing it. 223 00:13:21,966 --> 00:13:25,901 So my hunch is either Mr. York was doing that himself 224 00:13:25,903 --> 00:13:29,037 and trying to get some credence to this and make it look legitimate, 225 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:35,643 or he just run somebody else's project and they send it through. 226 00:13:35,645 --> 00:13:40,449 Just so we're all clear, the reason that he can't find the students, 227 00:13:40,451 --> 00:13:42,417 the teachers, the eye doctor... 228 00:13:42,419 --> 00:13:44,719 I believe they're actors. 229 00:13:44,721 --> 00:13:47,623 You realize that the first thing that critics will accuse you of, 230 00:13:47,625 --> 00:13:49,657 after gullibility, is faking the film yourself. 231 00:13:49,659 --> 00:13:53,796 Of course, of course, and that's why nobody would believe this. 232 00:13:53,798 --> 00:13:55,664 Because it's a pretty big coincidence 233 00:13:55,666 --> 00:13:57,432 that the person who finds the unfinished film 234 00:13:57,434 --> 00:13:58,901 just happens to be a filmmaker. 235 00:13:58,903 --> 00:14:01,536 Right, sure, and the naysayers are gonna say that 236 00:14:01,538 --> 00:14:03,607 because that's what they do, they naysay. 237 00:14:04,174 --> 00:14:09,778 Hum, I don't know if it's real or not, but it doesn't really matter, 238 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:12,647 because he's excited about it being real, so... 239 00:14:12,649 --> 00:14:18,921 We're gonna take this footage to every professional in town that we can find, 240 00:14:18,923 --> 00:14:23,792 ghosthunters, mythbusters, we're going to go to the radio stations, 241 00:14:23,794 --> 00:14:29,898 we're going to the TV stations, we're going to show the footage and we're gonna saturate 242 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:32,167 the market with this information. 243 00:14:32,169 --> 00:14:36,638 If your plan is to try to present this as being 100% authentic, 244 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,042 why are you not simply taking the footage forward and calling a press conference right now? 245 00:14:41,044 --> 00:14:46,549 Why are you planning to have the video cleaned up, why are you looking to have the sound done? 246 00:14:46,551 --> 00:14:52,054 Well, I mean, you know, we need to present the best possible version of this thing as we can, 247 00:14:52,056 --> 00:14:56,995 then we're gonna prove to the world that Peeping Tom exists. 248 00:14:58,162 --> 00:15:00,766 The camera doesn't lie. 249 00:15:05,202 --> 00:15:11,675 Mel Sumner, 19, PolySci major and staring contest champion. 250 00:15:12,677 --> 00:15:14,810 Alright, dude, so right down there is Ilchester tunnel 251 00:15:14,812 --> 00:15:17,079 and we're gonna have you standing right over there 252 00:15:17,081 --> 00:15:20,682 on the other of the trestle, starting at 12 for an hour. 253 00:15:20,684 --> 00:15:22,818 Well, how the hell am I supposed to see at the end of that? 254 00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:25,186 Y'all, just don't worry about it. 255 00:15:25,188 --> 00:15:27,623 - You ready? - Yes, let's stare at it. 256 00:15:27,625 --> 00:15:33,932 Alright, ten seconds to midnight starting... now. 257 00:15:35,765 --> 00:15:39,167 - What's it feels like? - It's so hypnotic! 258 00:15:39,169 --> 00:15:42,537 You literally, you can't really see anything down there. 259 00:15:42,539 --> 00:15:43,707 I can see. 260 00:15:45,176 --> 00:15:49,714 That's so creepy, it's like the tunnel's like staring right back at me. 261 00:15:51,115 --> 00:15:54,916 This is kind of like the ultimate staring contest, you know, like... 262 00:15:54,918 --> 00:16:00,024 even if I win, I can never really blink again. 263 00:16:00,857 --> 00:16:03,057 How much, how much time we're at? 264 00:16:03,059 --> 00:16:05,261 - Come on, dude! - You got it, man! 265 00:16:05,263 --> 00:16:06,862 Please stop talking to me. 266 00:16:06,864 --> 00:16:09,567 - Sophia, shut up. - Stop talking. 267 00:16:12,570 --> 00:16:14,072 You're alright? 268 00:16:17,642 --> 00:16:19,076 Fuck! Oh, God! 269 00:16:25,249 --> 00:16:27,215 Why do you want Handycam? 270 00:16:27,217 --> 00:16:29,685 We're using our good camera to document this, 271 00:16:29,687 --> 00:16:31,156 I wanna be able to document that, OK? 272 00:16:32,624 --> 00:16:36,324 You realize the footage will come nowhere close to matching up, right? 273 00:16:36,326 --> 00:16:39,663 It's documentary, dude, it doesn't have to match. 274 00:16:40,965 --> 00:16:43,031 I'm gonna ignore that you just said that. 275 00:16:43,033 --> 00:16:48,304 So, what we're doing now is we set up this camera, 276 00:16:48,306 --> 00:16:50,672 I'm gonna shoot it down the tunnel 277 00:16:50,674 --> 00:16:53,041 starting right at midnight, it's gonna go all the way to 1:00 a.m. 278 00:16:53,043 --> 00:16:55,611 - Yeah. - Now this will take the place 279 00:16:55,613 --> 00:16:58,647 of a human eye and it will not blink, 280 00:16:58,649 --> 00:17:02,050 it will constantly run and hopefully right at 1:00 a.m., 281 00:17:02,052 --> 00:17:06,525 as the legend says, Peeping Tom will show up 282 00:17:07,357 --> 00:17:09,892 and butterfly kiss my camera. 283 00:17:09,894 --> 00:17:11,826 Look, as much as I hate to say this 284 00:17:11,828 --> 00:17:13,696 I think this actually has a really good shot of working 285 00:17:13,698 --> 00:17:15,797 before you let this go to your head 286 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:18,232 simply because a lens is like an eye, OK? 287 00:17:18,234 --> 00:17:23,238 - The shutter, we're good, OK? - The shutter? 288 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,074 Yes, I think the shutter. Well, technically... 289 00:17:26,076 --> 00:17:28,076 That's the only part of the camera... 290 00:17:28,078 --> 00:17:31,582 Technically, that would be blinking. The what? 291 00:17:37,721 --> 00:17:39,787 Alright, man, we're coming up on it. 292 00:17:39,789 --> 00:17:41,757 - What's the time? - You ready? 293 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:43,225 What's the time? 294 00:17:43,227 --> 00:17:44,325 We've got ten more seconds 295 00:17:44,327 --> 00:17:46,362 starting now. 296 00:17:46,364 --> 00:17:48,396 Ten, nine... 297 00:17:48,398 --> 00:17:50,699 Come on, Mr. Blink, See anything? 298 00:17:50,701 --> 00:17:53,837 - No, nothing. - Come on! 299 00:17:54,971 --> 00:17:58,175 And, now! 300 00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:02,344 See anything? 301 00:18:02,346 --> 00:18:04,082 Don't kill it! You see anything? 302 00:18:05,215 --> 00:18:07,282 Do you see anything? 303 00:18:07,284 --> 00:18:10,121 Feldman, answer my question, do you see anything? 304 00:18:10,988 --> 00:18:13,825 Do not kill the camera, just give him a second to... 305 00:18:14,858 --> 00:18:16,660 Fuck! 306 00:18:18,461 --> 00:18:23,731 ...that you live in, but if I'm gonna be here to yada yada, clean this up a little bit, 307 00:18:23,733 --> 00:18:27,271 I mean, as far as the tapes go, can I make like a box, like the... 308 00:18:28,204 --> 00:18:30,905 - OK. - You got a shoe box , or... 309 00:18:30,907 --> 00:18:32,841 We'll just work on this another day. 310 00:18:32,843 --> 00:18:35,747 Do we have a backup plan here? 311 00:18:38,315 --> 00:18:41,449 Dude, dude, dude, dude! Are you seeing that? 312 00:18:41,451 --> 00:18:42,785 Am I seeing what? 313 00:18:42,787 --> 00:18:44,219 Feldman, look right there! 314 00:18:44,221 --> 00:18:46,421 Feldman, look right there! 315 00:18:46,423 --> 00:18:48,225 - Yeah! I know. - Do you see that? 316 00:18:51,127 --> 00:18:52,861 What? Was that there or... 317 00:18:52,863 --> 00:18:54,796 Do you see that? What the fuck is that? 318 00:18:54,798 --> 00:18:57,865 - I didn't add it! - Are you serious? 319 00:18:57,867 --> 00:19:00,302 - Oh, my gosh, I think... - Holy shit! 320 00:19:00,304 --> 00:19:02,970 Is there any way that you can brighten this, like whatsoever. 321 00:19:02,972 --> 00:19:07,008 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's gonna look like hell, but no, I can do it. 322 00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:08,911 OK, do you want me to take the camera right now? 323 00:19:08,913 --> 00:19:10,478 So, I'm bringing up the light. 324 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,150 Cool, cool, do it! 325 00:19:15,986 --> 00:19:17,920 - Gosh, dude! - Bang! 326 00:19:17,922 --> 00:19:19,287 Right fucking there! 327 00:19:19,289 --> 00:19:21,724 That was right on the hour mark. 328 00:19:21,726 --> 00:19:23,324 Zoom in, zoom in. 329 00:19:23,326 --> 00:19:25,960 Alright, this is the closest I can get with that, 330 00:19:25,962 --> 00:19:27,962 and like still be able to see shit, so you ready? 331 00:19:27,964 --> 00:19:31,201 Alright, alright, go, go! 332 00:19:32,936 --> 00:19:35,205 - Holy shit! - Oh, my gosh! 333 00:19:36,874 --> 00:19:38,407 Look at that motherfucker! 334 00:19:38,409 --> 00:19:40,209 You're kidding me! 335 00:19:40,211 --> 00:19:42,777 Like five minutes ago, this is all over, 336 00:19:42,779 --> 00:19:45,113 but we have Peeping Tom here! 337 00:19:45,115 --> 00:19:47,985 - We fucking got him, man! - Oh my gosh! 338 00:19:49,953 --> 00:19:56,225 I don't see any signs that it was faked, in the sense that like it was... 339 00:19:56,227 --> 00:19:58,826 like someone went in with a computer and added something, 340 00:19:58,828 --> 00:20:01,830 like there's nothing in there that I can definitively point to and say: 341 00:20:01,832 --> 00:20:02,965 "OK, this is a fake." 342 00:20:02,967 --> 00:20:04,866 So, I would go with that, 343 00:20:04,868 --> 00:20:06,501 at the same time, you know, 344 00:20:06,503 --> 00:20:07,969 it's a small little video, 345 00:20:07,971 --> 00:20:09,371 there's not a lot of detail, 346 00:20:09,373 --> 00:20:11,940 so I'm hesitant to commit either way, 347 00:20:11,942 --> 00:20:14,776 but I, if it was... 348 00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:17,813 if something were there, it would probably look like that. 349 00:20:17,815 --> 00:20:20,516 You were convinced that that would just 350 00:20:20,518 --> 00:20:26,455 be natural lighting, no manipulation as far as that particular shot is concerned. 351 00:20:26,457 --> 00:20:31,125 Well, I'm not convinced of anything, it's certainly plausible. 352 00:20:31,127 --> 00:20:32,928 Right, but you're not ruling it out. 353 00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:34,395 I can't point to anything and say: 354 00:20:34,397 --> 00:20:35,831 "This makes is a fake." 355 00:20:35,833 --> 00:20:37,431 It could be a guy, dressed up, 356 00:20:37,433 --> 00:20:39,301 standing up in the back maybe, 357 00:20:39,303 --> 00:20:42,403 like, you know, it could be a practical kind of hoax, 358 00:20:42,405 --> 00:20:45,574 like someone could have taken this and in a computer, 359 00:20:45,576 --> 00:20:48,442 it's gone and manipulated it. 360 00:20:48,444 --> 00:20:53,181 The idea of the technological equivalent of the actual eye, 361 00:20:53,183 --> 00:20:56,818 which is actually a part of the human organism, 362 00:20:56,820 --> 00:21:01,923 and the human mind, the idea of using a camera as a real equivalent of that, 363 00:21:01,925 --> 00:21:06,562 metaphysical equivalent, strikes me as... I have a hard time with that. 364 00:21:06,564 --> 00:21:11,035 I don't know, man, you, I mean we're sitting here trying to explain spirits, so... 365 00:21:11,602 --> 00:21:14,303 If you want to have a rational conversation about ghosts 366 00:21:14,305 --> 00:21:18,373 and goblins versus camera technology, I'm not really sure. 367 00:21:18,375 --> 00:21:20,909 So, where are we? What are we doing? 368 00:21:20,911 --> 00:21:23,545 We are at the VFW in Glen Burnie, Maryland, 369 00:21:23,547 --> 00:21:28,984 and I'm gonna go and present some of the footage to an assembled group 370 00:21:28,986 --> 00:21:34,926 of paranormal investigators, ghosthunters and get some allies here. 371 00:21:36,192 --> 00:21:38,192 What's the end game here tonight? 372 00:21:38,194 --> 00:21:41,263 Well, the end game is that when we do the press conference, 373 00:21:41,265 --> 00:21:44,432 I can have a handful of these people standing beside me saying: 374 00:21:44,434 --> 00:21:46,034 "Footage is real, 375 00:21:46,036 --> 00:21:48,069 we're behind you, Gavin, we believe you!" 376 00:21:48,071 --> 00:21:52,240 And then they... I think they reach some 10,000 people or something, so... 377 00:21:52,242 --> 00:21:55,477 Our Facebook page has over 8,000 likes 378 00:21:55,479 --> 00:21:58,479 and most of those people 379 00:21:58,481 --> 00:22:02,551 are into the paranormal or they want to be on our Facebook page. 380 00:22:02,553 --> 00:22:07,655 So, yes, I could put it out there for others to see. 381 00:22:07,657 --> 00:22:11,226 We're just gonna show the image of Peeping Tom coming up to the tunnel. 382 00:22:11,228 --> 00:22:14,595 Why are you only showing the ghost and apparently the ghost proofs? 383 00:22:14,597 --> 00:22:16,297 Just that one shot. 384 00:22:16,299 --> 00:22:18,400 I don't think they need any of the other information, 385 00:22:18,402 --> 00:22:20,602 I think right now we're just trying to determine whether 386 00:22:20,604 --> 00:22:24,273 or not Peeping Tom is a real entity and the story about 387 00:22:24,275 --> 00:22:29,111 Sophia and the big guns and on the actual what happened. I think you want to see that. 388 00:22:29,113 --> 00:22:32,113 The only plausible explanation that you folks could think 389 00:22:32,115 --> 00:22:34,216 and myself and the first thing I thought of 390 00:22:34,218 --> 00:22:36,117 was this has got to be a guy in a suit, 391 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,253 this is somebody standing there at the end of the tunnel, 392 00:22:38,255 --> 00:22:41,023 they're playing a practical joke, OK? 393 00:22:41,025 --> 00:22:45,526 The thing that this bunks that theory however is the fact that the metadata 394 00:22:45,528 --> 00:22:48,162 on both cameras say that there was no one else there. 395 00:22:48,164 --> 00:22:51,603 One camera films the other camera, we've got proof of both of that 396 00:22:52,403 --> 00:22:55,036 it turned on, this is what happens when they played it back. 397 00:22:55,038 --> 00:22:58,073 Right now you just want to pick everybody's interest, we're gonna get them to talk, 398 00:22:58,075 --> 00:23:01,575 "Who's Peeping Tom, the tunnel?" Right here in your mind. Just phew! 399 00:23:01,577 --> 00:23:03,378 Gonna get it so he showed you. 400 00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:05,546 Until he shows us more, we just don't know. 401 00:23:05,548 --> 00:23:09,551 - Right! - We believe there's a possibility, 402 00:23:09,553 --> 00:23:10,622 but we need more evidence. 403 00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:18,994 Saying everything else for, you know, that next big steps will be wolf's surprise. 404 00:23:18,996 --> 00:23:22,064 It'll probably work out a lot better too. 405 00:23:22,066 --> 00:23:24,065 So you know, you can see what I saw. 406 00:23:24,067 --> 00:23:26,601 I mean the journey that we've already been on. 407 00:23:26,603 --> 00:23:28,603 You can't tell that this isn't gonna be the shot, 408 00:23:28,605 --> 00:23:33,674 this is Gavin's chance, this is my second chance to make it. 409 00:23:33,676 --> 00:23:35,242 Fortune and glory! 410 00:23:35,244 --> 00:23:36,611 Let's go back a little bit, 411 00:23:36,613 --> 00:23:38,580 let's talk about you as a filmmaker. 412 00:23:38,582 --> 00:23:41,016 You went to school for filmmaking? 413 00:23:41,018 --> 00:23:44,018 Yeah, my non-degree, that's what I like to tell everybody it was. 414 00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:47,655 He does a lot of weddings, so, you know, there's wedding season 415 00:23:47,657 --> 00:23:53,061 and then in the off season it's kind of a little bit more spotty. 416 00:23:53,063 --> 00:23:55,263 And then as the years went by, 417 00:23:55,265 --> 00:24:01,335 it became a way to pay the bills and to still convince myself that I'm a filmmaker. 418 00:24:01,337 --> 00:24:05,507 Now, it's just a way to pay the bills. 419 00:24:05,509 --> 00:24:09,012 Isn't this wedding season right now? 420 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,382 Yeah, it's July. 421 00:24:13,384 --> 00:24:16,086 I'm sorry, I don't want to embarrass anybody, but it... 422 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,992 She's always hectic, she's always happened to come and borrow money and, 423 00:24:22,625 --> 00:24:26,795 and that doesn't bother me, that's what we're here for, right, 424 00:24:26,797 --> 00:24:30,097 to make sure that everything's... 425 00:24:30,099 --> 00:24:32,566 We can help out. Everything's OK. 426 00:24:32,568 --> 00:24:36,771 Does Gavin know that you're getting help? 427 00:24:36,773 --> 00:24:39,708 I mean it's not so much help 428 00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:44,645 that it needs to be discussed or whatever. 429 00:24:44,647 --> 00:24:47,516 So, let me ask you a question, you're taking their film 430 00:24:47,518 --> 00:24:49,817 and you're trying to show it to the world, 431 00:24:49,819 --> 00:24:53,154 but why aren't you making this movie that I'm making right now? 432 00:24:53,156 --> 00:24:56,690 Why aren't you doing a film of your own essentially rather than just, 433 00:24:56,692 --> 00:24:58,794 you know, taking somebody else's and finishing it? 434 00:24:58,796 --> 00:25:01,696 Nobody would believe this if I did it, OK? 435 00:25:01,698 --> 00:25:05,132 Nobody's gonna believe a documentary about me finding footage 436 00:25:05,134 --> 00:25:07,169 and putting it together and running around. 437 00:25:07,171 --> 00:25:10,404 That's why we need you, that's why you're here to tell the story. 438 00:25:10,406 --> 00:25:17,481 Because if the audience doesn't believe the footage, then you're in the same exact place. 439 00:25:20,284 --> 00:25:23,388 Come in! 440 00:25:25,521 --> 00:25:27,255 Fellas! 441 00:25:27,257 --> 00:25:30,092 - Gavin, how are you doing? - How are you? Gavin York. 442 00:25:30,094 --> 00:25:31,293 I want to make sure 443 00:25:31,295 --> 00:25:32,827 that this is well thought out, 444 00:25:32,829 --> 00:25:34,662 put together with a lot of care. 445 00:25:34,664 --> 00:25:37,298 We're in this business because we like to entertain, 446 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:40,669 but we're in this business because we want to make money, OK? 447 00:25:40,671 --> 00:25:44,271 It's found footage, I understand, it's a found footage style. 448 00:25:44,273 --> 00:25:50,447 Well, it's real. As in "It's found footage, because I found the footage." 449 00:25:52,182 --> 00:25:54,216 - OK. - I actually found it. 450 00:25:54,218 --> 00:25:55,717 - Right. - OK. 451 00:25:55,719 --> 00:25:57,719 But you understand why it looks suspicious 452 00:25:57,721 --> 00:25:59,720 that rather than just putting the footage out there, 453 00:25:59,722 --> 00:26:03,658 you are having it cleaned up and mixed 454 00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:05,192 for theatrical release. 455 00:26:05,194 --> 00:26:06,728 But who is gonna know that? 456 00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:08,395 You're treating it right now like a movie. 457 00:26:08,397 --> 00:26:10,231 But why can't you treat it both? 458 00:26:10,233 --> 00:26:11,900 Cleaning it up kind of defeats the purpose 459 00:26:11,902 --> 00:26:14,568 of it being this gritty found footage found in a basement. 460 00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:16,571 I guess, I mean I'm not really trying 461 00:26:16,573 --> 00:26:19,207 to walk around and say, "Hey, look how gritty it is!" 462 00:26:19,209 --> 00:26:20,609 It's your project. 463 00:26:20,611 --> 00:26:22,477 It all comes down to how to approach it 464 00:26:22,479 --> 00:26:24,478 and when we figure out how we're gonna approach it, 465 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,180 then we can help you budget for it. 466 00:26:26,182 --> 00:26:27,815 - Sure. - I understand that 467 00:26:27,817 --> 00:26:30,751 that's a concern. I understand that it isn't so fun. 468 00:26:30,753 --> 00:26:33,854 - Yeah, yeah, but about that... - In the project... 469 00:26:33,856 --> 00:26:36,259 Realistically, how much can you afford? 470 00:26:39,229 --> 00:26:41,863 Realistically, I can't afford anything. 471 00:26:41,865 --> 00:26:47,635 This is an opportunity for us to get in like on the ground floor. 472 00:26:47,637 --> 00:26:52,507 This is a game changer. When you watch it, you will know. 473 00:26:52,509 --> 00:26:54,508 You're trying to get them to do this... 474 00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:57,912 For free, for zero, for a piece of the pie. 475 00:26:57,914 --> 00:27:01,716 We all know these conversations happen all the time and in the reality of it is that, 476 00:27:01,718 --> 00:27:05,420 as a business, there's got to be some kind of 477 00:27:05,422 --> 00:27:07,889 process that works for us that keeps our lights on 478 00:27:07,891 --> 00:27:09,360 - so to speak. - Oh, sure, sure. 479 00:27:10,193 --> 00:27:12,459 If I have to pay, 480 00:27:12,461 --> 00:27:18,266 I'm willing to go maybe $1,500. 481 00:27:18,268 --> 00:27:20,235 We could probably do about 482 00:27:20,237 --> 00:27:24,405 $2,000, but then it's gonna be a lot of ramen noodles. 483 00:27:24,407 --> 00:27:30,946 Most features that get full packages, even on an indie rate are anywhere from like 10 to 20. 484 00:27:30,948 --> 00:27:37,388 I can't leave here without them agreeing to do this. 485 00:27:38,689 --> 00:27:41,288 Alright, Feldman, just let me do the talking, OK? 486 00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:43,824 - Sure! - Cool! Thank you! 487 00:27:46,563 --> 00:27:48,830 - Hey, Dr. Wolfe? - Miss Crane. 488 00:27:48,832 --> 00:27:51,632 Hey, I know it's first thing early in the morning and everything, 489 00:27:51,634 --> 00:27:53,735 but we have something really awesome 490 00:27:53,737 --> 00:27:55,903 to show you for the documentary and it would be great... 491 00:27:55,905 --> 00:27:59,341 Wow, wow. Mr. Feldman, what's with the camera? 492 00:27:59,343 --> 00:28:00,976 I got this, Feldman. 493 00:28:00,978 --> 00:28:02,710 It's actually for the documentary. 494 00:28:02,712 --> 00:28:05,513 There's actually something that we need to show you. 495 00:28:05,515 --> 00:28:07,649 Hey, Feldman, are you rolling? 496 00:28:07,651 --> 00:28:08,719 Yeah. 497 00:28:09,786 --> 00:28:11,452 All this will become very clear in five seconds, 498 00:28:11,454 --> 00:28:13,555 but we are documenting this entire process. 499 00:28:13,557 --> 00:28:15,726 So, right at 1 a.m. this is what happened. 500 00:28:19,462 --> 00:28:22,396 - Hmm. - So? 501 00:28:22,398 --> 00:28:24,565 - Nicely done! - What do you think? 502 00:28:24,567 --> 00:28:27,469 An excellent effect! You guys have done a good job! 503 00:28:27,471 --> 00:28:30,604 No, Dr. Wolfe, this is not an effect, this is for real! 504 00:28:30,606 --> 00:28:32,507 This is not the project we talked about, 505 00:28:32,509 --> 00:28:34,342 but you've got a nice premise here, 506 00:28:34,344 --> 00:28:35,910 you've got something you can work with, 507 00:28:35,912 --> 00:28:38,313 you can turn this into a very sweet horror film. 508 00:28:38,315 --> 00:28:39,948 - We... - Just one second, OK? 509 00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:42,350 My camera it's about run out of batteries. 510 00:28:42,352 --> 00:28:44,753 OK, get the camera, please. OK, this is grey data, Dr. Wolfe. 511 00:28:44,755 --> 00:28:48,492 We need your advising right now, OK? This... 512 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,760 ...psychodrama you're trying to do here 513 00:28:52,762 --> 00:28:55,764 and I respect, you're trying to be creative and all, 514 00:28:55,766 --> 00:28:58,632 but I'm very uncomfortable with you filming me. 515 00:28:58,634 --> 00:29:00,669 There would not have been enough time to put all these 516 00:29:00,671 --> 00:29:02,671 enhancements in it and everything else. 517 00:29:02,673 --> 00:29:05,073 This guy doesn't know what the hell he's doing. 518 00:29:05,075 --> 00:29:06,908 Take five, Feldman. 519 00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:09,510 Look, I would not put my good name on the line. 520 00:29:09,512 --> 00:29:12,380 Did you have that tape in your hands 521 00:29:12,382 --> 00:29:16,750 24/7 from the moment that you walked away from that tunnel? 522 00:29:16,752 --> 00:29:20,322 Feldman is a slacker, he's in the seventh year of his six-year plan 523 00:29:20,324 --> 00:29:23,525 to get through school and, you know what? He's a genius. 524 00:29:23,527 --> 00:29:25,392 He's a genius when it comes to the camera 525 00:29:25,394 --> 00:29:26,760 and doing things with it. 526 00:29:26,762 --> 00:29:28,830 Well, I called Mr. Folklore 527 00:29:28,832 --> 00:29:30,398 and left a message on his machine, 528 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,066 so I guess we should 529 00:29:32,068 --> 00:29:33,003 have talked to him first. 530 00:29:34,105 --> 00:29:36,071 Well, why don't we just go talk to him now? 531 00:29:36,073 --> 00:29:38,539 My big thing is how did anybody look at that footage 532 00:29:38,541 --> 00:29:40,074 and say that it's not real? 533 00:29:40,076 --> 00:29:44,645 That's what I'm saying. Obviously, we're still learning. 534 00:29:44,647 --> 00:29:46,650 Like, you just can't fake that. 535 00:29:50,619 --> 00:29:52,586 - Come on! - Anything? 536 00:29:52,588 --> 00:29:53,955 - No! - Awesome! 537 00:29:53,957 --> 00:29:56,360 I'm gonna check the side. 538 00:30:00,063 --> 00:30:02,796 Honestly, I feel a little weird about creeping in his window, but... 539 00:30:02,798 --> 00:30:06,433 This is a folklore guy, I'm sure this is the least creepy thing about it. 540 00:30:06,435 --> 00:30:08,135 Yeah. 541 00:30:08,137 --> 00:30:09,874 - Anything? - No! 542 00:30:12,142 --> 00:30:14,912 Shit! Now what? 543 00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:19,581 1527? 544 00:30:19,583 --> 00:30:23,718 Oh, this is it, this is it, right here. 545 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,323 You guys, this is the house. 546 00:30:27,022 --> 00:30:28,792 Oh, my God. 547 00:30:29,659 --> 00:30:32,494 Just like being in a dream, I can't believe we're actually here. 548 00:30:32,496 --> 00:30:37,766 It was undoubtedly through the Weird books that I have worked on for a good... 549 00:30:37,768 --> 00:30:43,004 It was about 7-8 years I was working on this series of Weird books 550 00:30:43,006 --> 00:30:45,940 and certainly in Pennsylvania and Maryland, 551 00:30:45,942 --> 00:30:48,476 this is what I'm best known for. 552 00:30:52,516 --> 00:30:54,582 - Mr. Lake! - Mr. York! 553 00:30:54,584 --> 00:30:55,917 - Call me, Gavin, please! - Gavin. 554 00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:57,852 This is the camera crew and everybody! 555 00:30:57,854 --> 00:30:59,019 Hi! Come on... 556 00:30:59,021 --> 00:31:00,488 Just don't pay them any mind, 557 00:31:00,490 --> 00:31:01,756 they're just gonna do their thing. 558 00:31:01,758 --> 00:31:04,159 - OK. - This place is great! 559 00:31:04,161 --> 00:31:06,728 I have to tell you, this is an absolute thrill, 560 00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:09,730 it's been about six months I've been studying this place. 561 00:31:09,732 --> 00:31:12,033 Wow, that's kind of unusual! 562 00:31:12,035 --> 00:31:13,971 Right here, this is it! 563 00:31:14,904 --> 00:31:19,073 This is it, this is the spot where you gave your interview. 564 00:31:19,075 --> 00:31:21,508 - I vaguely remember it. - Ten years ago! 565 00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:25,747 Yeah! I don't often have crews in my house. 566 00:31:25,749 --> 00:31:28,149 Yeah, Gavin sent me a message on Facebook 567 00:31:28,151 --> 00:31:31,819 and he told me that he found small footage of me, 568 00:31:31,821 --> 00:31:33,755 so I'm kind of interested to see the footage. 569 00:31:33,757 --> 00:31:35,757 Keep your eyes open 570 00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:37,792 for a long time because that's how you conjure him up. 571 00:31:37,794 --> 00:31:39,661 When he's right up there, 572 00:31:39,663 --> 00:31:41,528 the temptation is dead staring you in the face, 573 00:31:41,530 --> 00:31:43,800 you do anything you can to avoid him. 574 00:31:50,473 --> 00:31:52,172 Nice doorbell, Feldman. 575 00:32:02,219 --> 00:32:04,552 OK, wait a minute. Why are we doing it here 576 00:32:04,554 --> 00:32:06,120 and not at my house with the rest of the footage? 577 00:32:06,122 --> 00:32:08,122 Because I don't want to unplug the camera from the TV 578 00:32:08,124 --> 00:32:10,557 and I don't want to unplug anything, I can't lose, 579 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,927 I don't want to go away. The last time we did it on your computer, 580 00:32:12,929 --> 00:32:15,997 we had the tapes in my camera, now it's in this, 581 00:32:15,999 --> 00:32:17,765 just let me do my thing right now, OK? 582 00:32:17,767 --> 00:32:19,534 I got the time codes written down. 583 00:32:19,536 --> 00:32:21,005 OK, but what are you doing? 584 00:32:23,973 --> 00:32:25,576 I just gotta show you. 585 00:32:29,712 --> 00:32:32,680 I gotta say this is a real treat for me. 586 00:32:32,682 --> 00:32:36,183 You don't have any idea how much you validate 587 00:32:36,185 --> 00:32:38,786 what I'm working on right now, which is really great. 588 00:32:38,788 --> 00:32:40,787 Just feed this up through your chain. 589 00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:43,790 So tell me about your role in the documentary. 590 00:32:43,792 --> 00:32:45,860 Oh, it was, it was minimal. 591 00:32:45,862 --> 00:32:50,632 The two people came, they got in touch with me, they came around 592 00:32:50,634 --> 00:32:55,737 and, yeah, we were here for an hour or so and then they, then they moved on. 593 00:32:55,739 --> 00:32:57,271 That was the last I saw them, just once. 594 00:32:57,273 --> 00:33:00,741 Sophia, Feldman. How did they get in touch with you? 595 00:33:00,743 --> 00:33:06,213 Email, was it phone, did they call you, did somebody, friend of a friend? 596 00:33:06,215 --> 00:33:08,650 I'm gonna tell you the truth, I don't remember. 597 00:33:08,652 --> 00:33:10,084 It was a decade ago. 598 00:33:10,086 --> 00:33:13,220 When you got in touch with me, I was... 599 00:33:13,222 --> 00:33:17,659 I searched my email archives and didn't find anything there, 600 00:33:17,661 --> 00:33:21,895 if it was the phone, then, you know, I don't keep phone records. 601 00:33:21,897 --> 00:33:25,600 So, is there a reason why Peeping Tom was excluded from Weird Maryland, 602 00:33:25,602 --> 00:33:30,037 obviously the Ilchester tunnel is in Maryland, any reason not to include it? 603 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:37,045 It just wasn't as strong a story, I had that kind of a vibe about it that felt more like 604 00:33:37,047 --> 00:33:39,814 what we call fakelore rather than folklore. 605 00:33:39,816 --> 00:33:42,784 - OK. - I have a lot more stories 606 00:33:42,786 --> 00:33:44,084 than I have pages to... 607 00:33:44,086 --> 00:33:45,788 Alright, let's talk about the footage. 608 00:33:46,323 --> 00:33:50,658 I wasn't a part of it, you know, I just watched it for a few... 609 00:33:50,660 --> 00:33:52,693 Sure, but as an expert, 610 00:33:52,695 --> 00:33:58,165 let's get an authoritative kind of dissertation on that, if you will. 611 00:33:58,167 --> 00:34:04,072 That thing at the end of the tunnel with the... 612 00:34:04,074 --> 00:34:07,208 - Peeping Tom. - Peeping Tom coming in, 613 00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:09,844 it was a very striking image, 614 00:34:09,846 --> 00:34:12,146 it was iconic, it was an iconic image. 615 00:34:12,148 --> 00:34:15,853 Pretty scary. What about what happened next? 616 00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:23,291 Are you rolling on this, right? 617 00:34:23,293 --> 00:34:25,126 - Yeah. - Alright. 618 00:34:25,128 --> 00:34:26,961 What are you trying to show me? 619 00:34:26,963 --> 00:34:28,695 - Just watch. - OK. 620 00:34:28,697 --> 00:34:30,097 There, did you see it? 621 00:34:30,099 --> 00:34:31,965 OK, no. What am I looking for? 622 00:34:31,967 --> 00:34:33,369 - I'm gonna rewind. - OK. 623 00:34:34,771 --> 00:34:38,271 Alright. Look in the back on top of the building on the left. 624 00:34:38,273 --> 00:34:40,008 There, there! 625 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:42,242 OK, so it's like a giant bird, right? 626 00:34:42,244 --> 00:34:45,045 No, it's not a giant bird. 627 00:34:45,047 --> 00:34:46,680 OK, what is it? 628 00:34:46,682 --> 00:34:48,018 What do you think it is? 629 00:34:49,284 --> 00:34:51,251 When I go to change the battery and I turn out and there! 630 00:34:51,253 --> 00:34:53,220 - Where am I looking? - There! 631 00:34:53,222 --> 00:34:55,356 Right there, next to the air duct. 632 00:34:55,358 --> 00:34:56,758 Wait a minute. 633 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,159 But remember the spot. 634 00:34:58,161 --> 00:34:59,726 I'm gonna go forward. 635 00:34:59,728 --> 00:35:01,929 I remember, we turned it off and... 636 00:35:01,931 --> 00:35:04,766 OK, wait a minute, dude... 637 00:35:04,768 --> 00:35:07,300 This is as far as I've got. 638 00:35:07,302 --> 00:35:09,269 OK, come on, show me the other footage. 639 00:35:09,271 --> 00:35:12,240 - Alright, well... - You got me a little excited. 640 00:35:12,242 --> 00:35:14,075 Oh, I'm running, run, run. 641 00:35:14,077 --> 00:35:15,709 - Did you see that? - No! 642 00:35:15,711 --> 00:35:16,878 OK, OK, wait, wait! 643 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,713 Play, play, alright. 644 00:35:18,715 --> 00:35:20,815 Get ready, ready, right there! 645 00:35:20,817 --> 00:35:22,282 - Oh, shit! - Oh, shit! 646 00:35:22,284 --> 00:35:23,851 Rewind, rewind! 647 00:35:23,853 --> 00:35:25,722 Ready, don't blink! 648 00:35:26,789 --> 00:35:29,057 - Here! There, see that? - That's right. 649 00:35:29,059 --> 00:35:32,025 - Got it! - Press pause! 650 00:35:32,027 --> 00:35:33,695 - Pause. - Bingo! 651 00:35:33,697 --> 00:35:35,162 Oh, right there. 652 00:35:35,164 --> 00:35:37,398 Oh, my gosh, dude, it's fucking Blinkman! 653 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,900 Yeah, the thing is we're not the ones blinking, 654 00:35:39,902 --> 00:35:41,802 it's the camera that's blinking, 655 00:35:41,804 --> 00:35:43,704 so every time I'm making a new clip, he's there. 656 00:35:43,706 --> 00:35:46,976 Yeah, wait a minute! 657 00:35:47,976 --> 00:35:52,447 Every single time we turn the camera on and off and it blinks, 658 00:35:52,449 --> 00:35:55,786 he's almost, he's getting closer. 659 00:35:57,753 --> 00:36:01,255 Well, I had no idea I was being involved with a film 660 00:36:01,257 --> 00:36:04,492 of that kind, it was kind of scary, it was well constructed. 661 00:36:04,494 --> 00:36:08,829 So that was, so what we just watched, your opinion is that it's fake. 662 00:36:08,831 --> 00:36:12,800 That there's no Peeping Tom, there's no, they didn't find anything in that tunnel. 663 00:36:12,802 --> 00:36:14,101 - Yeah. - This is all? 664 00:36:14,103 --> 00:36:16,838 - It looked like... - All non-weird. 665 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,373 - It's... - It didn't make your book. 666 00:36:19,375 --> 00:36:21,309 What I'm just trying to figure out is... 667 00:36:21,311 --> 00:36:23,945 Two human beings, alright, these are two people, 668 00:36:23,947 --> 00:36:25,682 you are the only link 669 00:36:27,384 --> 00:36:30,952 to them even existing and I called you, I explained to you how important you were. 670 00:36:30,954 --> 00:36:35,789 It just seems to me that you're not taking it as seriously as I thought you would. 671 00:36:35,791 --> 00:36:37,224 As an esteemed author would. 672 00:36:37,226 --> 00:36:38,959 You're kind of brushing it off a little bit, 673 00:36:38,961 --> 00:36:40,494 you live all the way out here, 674 00:36:40,496 --> 00:36:43,231 far away from anybody to be able to track you down. 675 00:36:43,233 --> 00:36:46,099 You don't have emails conveniently right after, 676 00:36:46,101 --> 00:36:49,336 right after they came and talked to you. "I don't remember who it was. 677 00:36:49,338 --> 00:36:52,240 I had a phone line that've been bouncing my service back and forth." 678 00:36:52,242 --> 00:36:54,976 Who does that? Nobody bounces their service back and forth. 679 00:36:54,978 --> 00:36:56,878 It just sounds to me like a lot of conjecture, sir. 680 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,983 You wouldn't be involved in their disappearance, well then? 681 00:37:01,117 --> 00:37:04,351 - That's ridiculous! - Is it so ridiculous? 682 00:37:04,353 --> 00:37:09,389 Because it's, it's... I don't know, that was a documentary! 683 00:37:09,391 --> 00:37:10,458 It was a documentary. 684 00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:11,858 Were you gonna say stupid? 685 00:37:11,860 --> 00:37:13,528 No, I'm not gonna say stupid! 686 00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:15,396 I can find stuff that's pretty stupid. 687 00:37:15,398 --> 00:37:17,164 I mean, I know it's all that year, but... 688 00:37:17,166 --> 00:37:18,532 But it's well put together. 689 00:37:18,534 --> 00:37:20,034 Look, can we cut this please? 690 00:37:20,036 --> 00:37:21,869 I'm done, I'm done! Sorry! 691 00:37:21,871 --> 00:37:23,804 - Would you like to leave, please? - No! 692 00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:27,041 Miller's castle, I just don't understand why you're not... 693 00:37:27,043 --> 00:37:29,577 I just want you to answer whether or not these people 694 00:37:29,579 --> 00:37:33,481 exist or not. I can get out of here, I can validate this whole thing. 695 00:37:33,483 --> 00:37:35,416 - I'm done, I'm done! - Just seem awfully enough 696 00:37:35,418 --> 00:37:37,820 - weird to me! - Turn this thing off, please! 697 00:37:38,554 --> 00:37:40,188 So all he ought to fucking do... 698 00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:42,289 was to answer two goddamn questions. 699 00:37:42,291 --> 00:37:46,427 "Did he know who Sophie and Feldman were?" And: 700 00:37:46,429 --> 00:37:50,063 "Were they coming to make a fake horror movie 701 00:37:50,065 --> 00:37:54,601 or were they're legitimate documentarian filmmakers, 702 00:37:54,603 --> 00:37:57,875 looking to prove or disprove...?" 703 00:37:59,275 --> 00:38:00,778 Fuck! 704 00:38:18,460 --> 00:38:21,931 Hi buddy, how are you doing? 705 00:38:23,365 --> 00:38:26,068 You want to give your dad a hug? I missed you! 706 00:38:27,971 --> 00:38:30,340 Did you stay inside, did you see the rain? 707 00:38:31,907 --> 00:38:33,608 Can I get a hug, please? 708 00:38:42,385 --> 00:38:44,054 How did it go? 709 00:38:45,221 --> 00:38:47,090 It didn't go well, that's for sure. 710 00:38:49,092 --> 00:38:50,394 Why're you using my computer? 711 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,362 Why is it your computer? 712 00:38:54,264 --> 00:38:56,329 It's got all my work on it! 713 00:38:56,331 --> 00:38:59,599 I've started the computer to do our finances. 714 00:38:59,601 --> 00:39:01,003 OK! 715 00:39:02,237 --> 00:39:05,842 - Alright! - Talk? 716 00:39:07,076 --> 00:39:09,146 We're talking right now. 717 00:39:13,148 --> 00:39:18,151 You know these guys are following me around, Mel, sometimes the story comes out. 718 00:39:18,153 --> 00:39:22,059 Let's go in here. Come on, we'll talk. Come on! 719 00:39:23,492 --> 00:39:24,994 We had another letter. 720 00:39:27,963 --> 00:39:29,866 - From the bank. - OK. 721 00:39:32,135 --> 00:39:34,635 - About our house. - Well, just take 722 00:39:34,637 --> 00:39:37,137 - the money out of savings. - We don't have savings! 723 00:39:37,139 --> 00:39:40,206 What about the budget that we talked about on Thanksgiving? 724 00:39:40,208 --> 00:39:42,409 Yeah, and then your movie happened. 725 00:39:42,411 --> 00:39:46,646 My movie. Listen, it's all gonna be worth it in the end, 726 00:39:46,648 --> 00:39:51,217 as soon as this hits, no more wedding jobs! 727 00:39:51,219 --> 00:39:53,621 This is it, this is what it takes, OK? 728 00:39:53,623 --> 00:39:56,190 There's always gonna be a tough time, alright? 729 00:39:56,192 --> 00:40:01,028 Isn't it gonna be great if we can sit back and we can say, "Carter, what happened?" 730 00:40:01,030 --> 00:40:03,965 Carter! Carter needs shoes. 731 00:40:03,967 --> 00:40:07,300 These guys in here right now, I don't want to get into this anymore. 732 00:40:07,302 --> 00:40:10,137 - Alright? We're done! - Yeah! We're done. 733 00:40:10,139 --> 00:40:11,909 Done! 734 00:40:15,610 --> 00:40:18,179 OK, so the camera was a test subject 735 00:40:18,181 --> 00:40:20,213 and stared without blinking for the entire hour, 736 00:40:20,215 --> 00:40:22,983 then according to the legend now sees Peeping Tom 737 00:40:22,985 --> 00:40:25,186 and every time it blinks, he gets closer. 738 00:40:25,188 --> 00:40:27,054 So, in other words, every time we turn it off 739 00:40:27,056 --> 00:40:29,055 and then on, or make a new clip. 740 00:40:29,057 --> 00:40:32,325 Yeah. There's our thesis, he's in our camera. 741 00:40:32,327 --> 00:40:35,595 My camera, and yeah, you know, first he's there in the tunnel, 742 00:40:35,597 --> 00:40:37,597 and he was there again when we met our adviser, 743 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,566 and again when we went to see the author, 744 00:40:39,568 --> 00:40:42,536 and in each case, he got incrementally closer. 745 00:40:42,538 --> 00:40:48,242 But he's still hiding in the frame, he's making this a game, because no one will believe us, 746 00:40:48,244 --> 00:40:50,213 so we have to draw him out in the open. 747 00:40:52,248 --> 00:40:54,418 Why I feel you're not as excited about this as I am? 748 00:40:55,717 --> 00:40:59,086 Feldman, assuming this all really happening... 749 00:40:59,088 --> 00:41:00,621 It's really happening! 750 00:41:00,623 --> 00:41:03,224 Do you realize what this means? 751 00:41:03,226 --> 00:41:06,096 Yeah, it means we're filming him right now. 752 00:41:12,235 --> 00:41:13,800 OK, hey, turn it off, turn it off. 753 00:41:13,802 --> 00:41:15,503 Oh, what's your problem? 754 00:41:15,505 --> 00:41:17,505 My problem is that I'm still directing this 755 00:41:17,507 --> 00:41:19,440 and I don't want this camera on until we figure out 756 00:41:19,442 --> 00:41:21,474 what we're gonna do, OK? Turn it off! 757 00:41:21,476 --> 00:41:26,079 OK, so the camera's... what was that? Did you hear it? 758 00:41:26,081 --> 00:41:27,148 Yeah. 759 00:41:28,717 --> 00:41:31,418 It sounds like it's at the beginning of each new clip. 760 00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:32,519 It's a digital... 761 00:41:32,521 --> 00:41:34,354 Something to do with the camera, man, 762 00:41:34,356 --> 00:41:36,057 I mean it might be a messed up camera... 763 00:41:36,059 --> 00:41:37,590 Something to do with the camera. 764 00:41:37,592 --> 00:41:39,559 Alright, Feldman, just let me do the talking, OK? 765 00:41:39,561 --> 00:41:42,563 It's on every clip after the bridge 766 00:41:42,565 --> 00:41:45,699 section, so that's gonna be a lot of us going through every piece. 767 00:41:45,701 --> 00:41:48,202 Wait a second, every one after the bridge? 768 00:41:48,204 --> 00:41:50,537 So, as soon as Peeping Tom shows up, 769 00:41:50,539 --> 00:41:53,240 this sound shows up at the same time, is what you're saying. 770 00:41:57,146 --> 00:41:59,313 This is a little crazy, but it, 771 00:41:59,315 --> 00:42:04,584 it kind of, kind of looks like Morse code. 772 00:42:04,586 --> 00:42:06,753 Like, why would it only show up after the Peeping Tom? 773 00:42:06,755 --> 00:42:09,155 I don't know, you're the one that's got it documented. 774 00:42:09,157 --> 00:42:11,157 I'm just asking you, as a better person. 775 00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:13,427 - Documentary crew... - What do you think 776 00:42:13,429 --> 00:42:15,496 as a human being? Why would that show up like... 777 00:42:15,498 --> 00:42:17,764 I don't know, it's something that you want us to see. 778 00:42:17,766 --> 00:42:20,800 I do think, it's not you, man, maybe it's not even that you put it in there, 779 00:42:20,802 --> 00:42:24,804 maybe it's that these guys did when they shot this footage. 780 00:42:24,806 --> 00:42:26,609 This is a little crazy, though. 781 00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:30,411 What the fuck, shut the fuck up! 782 00:42:30,413 --> 00:42:33,514 What? 783 00:42:33,516 --> 00:42:37,450 What does it translate to? Say it out, say it out loud, please! 784 00:42:37,452 --> 00:42:39,854 - It says Blink. - Alright, can you guys do me 785 00:42:39,856 --> 00:42:41,655 a favor? Can you look at the camera? 786 00:42:41,657 --> 00:42:43,590 I believe that you've done a good job of... 787 00:42:43,592 --> 00:42:46,226 Can you look at the camera? I need you to authenticate this. 788 00:42:46,228 --> 00:42:48,295 - I need your help. - Authenticate it? 789 00:42:48,297 --> 00:42:50,664 Just stare in the camera and 790 00:42:50,666 --> 00:42:53,467 say what you just found for them. 791 00:42:53,469 --> 00:42:57,137 I think it's completely faked. 792 00:42:58,875 --> 00:43:00,608 Whoever shot the footage, 793 00:43:00,610 --> 00:43:02,876 these people that supposedly aren't around anymore, 794 00:43:02,878 --> 00:43:05,479 they clearly put this sound in there. 795 00:43:05,481 --> 00:43:09,383 OK, so maybe they did it, to so whoever... 796 00:43:09,385 --> 00:43:12,452 So if the guy gives the tape... whoever finds the footage 797 00:43:12,454 --> 00:43:14,621 and then uncovers this Morse code 798 00:43:14,623 --> 00:43:17,724 or this specific sound that happens every time. 799 00:43:17,726 --> 00:43:20,327 That's a lot of work, they would have had to shot the footage, 800 00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:22,695 offload it, edit it and put it back on DV tapes. 801 00:43:22,697 --> 00:43:24,498 Yeah, OK, well... 802 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,867 - And then, and then... - He could have done that too. 803 00:43:26,869 --> 00:43:30,170 We don't know, man, we don't know where these tapes were before they came here. 804 00:43:30,172 --> 00:43:31,771 He's coming here and he tells us a story, 805 00:43:31,773 --> 00:43:33,807 then we either believe or we don't believe. 806 00:43:37,713 --> 00:43:39,682 Blink test, take one. 807 00:43:44,853 --> 00:43:46,489 Blink test, take two. 808 00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:50,293 Blink test, take three. 809 00:43:52,527 --> 00:43:54,795 Blink test, take seven. 810 00:43:54,797 --> 00:43:56,829 Blink test, take 13. 811 00:43:56,831 --> 00:43:57,932 Blink test, take 19. 812 00:43:57,934 --> 00:43:59,465 Blink test, take 25. 813 00:43:59,467 --> 00:44:01,467 Blink test, take 32. 814 00:44:01,469 --> 00:44:03,139 Blink test, take 40. 815 00:44:06,541 --> 00:44:10,411 I do not believe that this video is authentic. 816 00:44:10,413 --> 00:44:14,315 One thing that's really suspicious to me is that it always appears 817 00:44:14,317 --> 00:44:18,755 and disappears, like either off-screen or behind something. 818 00:44:20,822 --> 00:44:22,923 The one where the car goes past 819 00:44:22,925 --> 00:44:26,226 like that's just like another really common trick 820 00:44:26,228 --> 00:44:29,563 to use to make a ghost disappear if you're hoaxing a video. 821 00:44:29,565 --> 00:44:31,632 I guess here's two points about the blink test 822 00:44:31,634 --> 00:44:32,999 that seemed very suspicious. 823 00:44:33,001 --> 00:44:34,668 One is that 824 00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:36,436 Feldman steps in front of the camera 825 00:44:36,438 --> 00:44:38,238 every time he turned it on. 826 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:39,940 The record button's on the back of the camera 827 00:44:39,942 --> 00:44:41,941 and it just seems like a convenient way 828 00:44:41,943 --> 00:44:43,844 to reveal the figure. 829 00:44:43,846 --> 00:44:45,311 Like they... 830 00:44:45,313 --> 00:44:46,780 I know making it black and white 831 00:44:46,782 --> 00:44:49,316 is a film student's stylistic choice, 832 00:44:49,318 --> 00:44:51,719 but it certainly makes it easier 833 00:44:51,721 --> 00:44:55,224 to hide effects and hide manipulation. 834 00:44:56,592 --> 00:44:58,958 - Let's talk about metadata. - OK. 835 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,863 Alright, the metadata. There are timestamps that show the progression of events. 836 00:45:03,865 --> 00:45:05,499 You can fake that. 837 00:45:05,501 --> 00:45:07,735 You're accusing me of faking this whole thing. 838 00:45:07,737 --> 00:45:10,838 Look, I don't know you, I'm not gonna say that... 839 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,606 No, but you'll take my money, you'll take my money, though. 840 00:45:13,608 --> 00:45:16,744 For my opinion, which I'm giving you. 841 00:45:16,746 --> 00:45:21,882 But we got the ghost group which isn't too bad, 842 00:45:21,884 --> 00:45:25,351 It seems like they were sort of your last resort. 843 00:45:26,755 --> 00:45:27,887 They were, 844 00:45:27,889 --> 00:45:29,623 but they have a lot of reach 845 00:45:29,625 --> 00:45:31,427 and if they believe in orbs... 846 00:45:32,628 --> 00:45:37,498 I mean, this is certainly a lot bigger, more real than orbs. 847 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:39,932 And there you have it, folks, 848 00:45:39,934 --> 00:45:45,371 the footage, the found footage I've assembled for you today. 849 00:45:45,373 --> 00:45:48,775 With your help, we can figure out the mystery, together, 850 00:45:48,777 --> 00:45:51,780 and that's why it's very, very crucial 851 00:45:53,715 --> 00:45:56,316 you know, that you follow me on this quest. 852 00:45:56,318 --> 00:45:57,653 Any questions? 853 00:46:03,492 --> 00:46:06,360 No questions! Can I count on your support? Yes, ma'am. 854 00:46:06,362 --> 00:46:09,095 You don't know that they didn't have somebody to do this, 855 00:46:09,097 --> 00:46:11,999 you don't know if any of this is real, you don't know what they do... 856 00:46:12,001 --> 00:46:14,601 You're right, ma'am, and that's why we're here this evening, 857 00:46:14,603 --> 00:46:16,070 because if I knew if it was real, 858 00:46:16,072 --> 00:46:17,503 then I wouldn't need you, folks. 859 00:46:17,505 --> 00:46:18,671 If he's at the end of the tunnel 860 00:46:18,673 --> 00:46:20,340 and those are railroad ties, 861 00:46:20,342 --> 00:46:21,809 he'd have to be about six feet wide. 862 00:46:21,811 --> 00:46:22,943 Six feet wide. 863 00:46:22,945 --> 00:46:24,744 There's nobody in that video 864 00:46:24,746 --> 00:46:27,014 that you could find in public records to speak with? 865 00:46:27,016 --> 00:46:28,882 I did find this Matt Lake, 866 00:46:28,884 --> 00:46:31,584 he's an author of a book called Weird Maryland, 867 00:46:31,586 --> 00:46:34,088 which you can pick up if you want to, I mean I don't recommend it. 868 00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:37,557 I find it very hard to believe that people who come up in front of your group 869 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,392 constantly get grilled like this, 870 00:46:39,394 --> 00:46:42,528 it seems to me that everybody be in, everybody be into it. 871 00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:44,097 I'd say this would be enough to warrant 872 00:46:44,099 --> 00:46:47,400 an investigation and a recreation of the experiment. 873 00:46:47,402 --> 00:46:53,706 Paranormal groups need more than just a piece of visual evidence 874 00:46:53,708 --> 00:46:56,976 to be able to methodologically 875 00:46:56,978 --> 00:46:59,112 quantify and qualify an event. 876 00:46:59,114 --> 00:47:00,914 We would need audio, we would need... 877 00:47:00,916 --> 00:47:04,751 Sir, sir, all the fancy words aside, I get what you're saying. 878 00:47:04,753 --> 00:47:07,588 All I'm asking you to do, is either believe it or you don't 879 00:47:07,590 --> 00:47:09,155 and you want to go investigate it or you don't. 880 00:47:09,157 --> 00:47:11,691 I'd like to know what kind of medications that you take? 881 00:47:11,693 --> 00:47:13,760 I, ma'am, I think that that's extremely rude 882 00:47:13,762 --> 00:47:16,028 and I don't think that has any bearing on that. 883 00:47:16,030 --> 00:47:19,499 I'd like to ask you what medications you're on to ask such questions? 884 00:47:19,501 --> 00:47:21,534 When you get a film on Bloody Mary, 885 00:47:21,536 --> 00:47:23,704 maybe we'll think about it, 886 00:47:23,706 --> 00:47:26,606 but this is a crock and we want nothing to do with it. 887 00:47:26,608 --> 00:47:31,612 And that's inspired ghost tracking. Now, we're not going out to investigate with you. 888 00:47:31,614 --> 00:47:36,416 I'm pretty sure that inspired ghost tracking... 889 00:47:36,418 --> 00:47:39,153 This is not gonna be the last time that you hear about me. 890 00:47:39,155 --> 00:47:40,457 Is this the exit door? 891 00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:45,191 No orbs out there, but thank you very much, I appreciate it. 892 00:47:45,193 --> 00:47:51,999 I'm sure that you'll be hearing from me in the future and yeah... 893 00:48:03,045 --> 00:48:04,547 Turn off the camera, please! 894 00:48:06,648 --> 00:48:08,751 I don't want to deal with it right now. 895 00:48:10,085 --> 00:48:12,186 And there he fucking is. 896 00:48:12,188 --> 00:48:14,787 Now, our problem is that any time that we moved the camera, 897 00:48:14,789 --> 00:48:17,691 whether we were just moving the camera or we were in a car or walking, 898 00:48:17,693 --> 00:48:19,659 he was able to flip in and out of the screen, so, 899 00:48:19,661 --> 00:48:21,061 we couldn't keep track of him, 900 00:48:21,063 --> 00:48:23,063 but if I leave the camera where it is, 901 00:48:23,065 --> 00:48:25,666 then he's stuck and I got it where I fucking want him! 902 00:48:25,668 --> 00:48:28,771 Now, what we really need to get right now, is we need to get the ending. 903 00:48:29,905 --> 00:48:32,639 Now, the most logical thing for me to think of is, you know, 904 00:48:32,641 --> 00:48:34,744 it's the closeups as a grand reveal. 905 00:48:36,644 --> 00:48:38,648 Why are you filming me with the Handycam? 906 00:48:43,652 --> 00:48:45,621 You're afraid of my camera. 907 00:48:46,554 --> 00:48:49,690 Well, that figures, I mean directors, you always had this vision and you think 908 00:48:49,692 --> 00:48:53,463 what you want to do with it, but behind the camera, you have no fucking idea! 909 00:48:54,262 --> 00:48:57,766 He keeps on getting closer and that's where he needs to stay. 910 00:49:00,702 --> 00:49:03,806 He's on my camera! 911 00:49:09,945 --> 00:49:11,481 Oh, shit! 912 00:49:12,114 --> 00:49:13,715 Oh, shit! 913 00:49:16,552 --> 00:49:17,987 Hey, well, look... 914 00:49:19,855 --> 00:49:23,525 What are you up to with all these journals here? 915 00:49:26,961 --> 00:49:27,996 Wait a minute. 916 00:49:31,867 --> 00:49:35,004 That's some kind of 917 00:49:46,114 --> 00:49:50,552 OK, Butterfly Kisses, video diary, whatever, right. 918 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,887 So, I don't really want to accuse Feldman of doing anything 919 00:49:54,889 --> 00:49:57,090 and I'm not even saying that he's lying, OK? 920 00:49:57,092 --> 00:49:58,891 I really do respect him. 921 00:49:58,893 --> 00:50:01,628 But after reading his diary a little while ago, 922 00:50:01,630 --> 00:50:04,231 and him having the diagrams of everything, 923 00:50:04,233 --> 00:50:06,967 I just want to record this for posterity and just 924 00:50:06,969 --> 00:50:12,673 make sure that everyone knows that I have my doubts about this entire project, OK? 925 00:50:12,675 --> 00:50:14,941 Right now, I have doubts about everything. 926 00:50:14,943 --> 00:50:17,043 Honestly, what could be worse? 927 00:50:17,045 --> 00:50:19,612 Knowing that Peeping Tom could come and get me at any moment 928 00:50:19,614 --> 00:50:22,182 or just being humiliated by the entire thing, 929 00:50:22,184 --> 00:50:25,351 knowing that Feldman can show this at the student film festival 930 00:50:25,353 --> 00:50:27,920 and I look like a fucking ass! 931 00:50:27,922 --> 00:50:31,023 I'm just gonna have to roll with it and hope the fella isn't fucking with me, 932 00:50:31,025 --> 00:50:33,360 like I'm really, really starting to believe. 933 00:50:44,172 --> 00:50:48,775 First off, you gave us the footage and we wanted to see 934 00:50:48,777 --> 00:50:50,679 all of those things that you cut out. 935 00:50:52,614 --> 00:50:55,951 Can you please tell us, can you tell us what Portraits of Dead Friends was? 936 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,956 We actually ended up winning our student film festival, Best Feature Award for it. 937 00:51:03,958 --> 00:51:07,693 The same two filmmakers, Sophia and Feldman, made a movie 938 00:51:07,695 --> 00:51:10,229 called Portraits of Dead Friends in which they wanted to make 939 00:51:10,231 --> 00:51:12,099 a film about people who were deceased, 940 00:51:12,101 --> 00:51:14,233 but they didn't want to do the usual kind of, you know: 941 00:51:14,235 --> 00:51:17,371 "He was a wonderful person and he was born in such and such place." 942 00:51:17,373 --> 00:51:23,079 So instead, they went to the photograph that appeared with the person's obituary. 943 00:51:24,179 --> 00:51:27,213 Well, A. That has nothing to do with Peeping Tom. 944 00:51:27,215 --> 00:51:29,715 It has everything to do with Peeping Tom! 945 00:51:29,717 --> 00:51:32,251 I didn't want you to bring that on, oh my gosh! 946 00:51:32,253 --> 00:51:34,253 I'm glad you laughed at it. 947 00:51:34,255 --> 00:51:36,956 - I mean, I'm not good about it. - You seem pretty OK with it. 948 00:51:36,958 --> 00:51:39,959 Ok, look, the girl's sister didn't want to talk about her. 949 00:51:39,961 --> 00:51:45,932 It was a really good story, so we got a freaking actor in there, big deal. 950 00:51:45,934 --> 00:51:47,767 As documentary filmmakers, 951 00:51:47,769 --> 00:51:49,769 they were willing to have an actor 952 00:51:49,771 --> 00:51:51,737 play a person and accept award for it. 953 00:51:51,739 --> 00:51:53,139 Sure. 954 00:51:53,141 --> 00:51:55,177 Do you think Portraits was enough... 955 00:51:56,811 --> 00:52:00,046 - without that story? - What do you mean "Do you think 956 00:52:00,048 --> 00:52:01,847 Portraits was enough without that story"? 957 00:52:01,849 --> 00:52:03,883 There's five stories, what story? 958 00:52:03,885 --> 00:52:05,755 You know what story I'm talking about. 959 00:52:07,056 --> 00:52:08,191 Diana's? 960 00:52:10,693 --> 00:52:14,293 The one that we, you know... 961 00:52:14,295 --> 00:52:17,764 I'm not sure about Feldman, he's got a bit of an attitude, 962 00:52:17,766 --> 00:52:21,068 because he wants to be the director, he wants to be the top dog. 963 00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:24,804 Maybe there was some resentment going on there. 964 00:52:24,806 --> 00:52:28,307 I found a clip where Feldman 965 00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:33,246 is saying that he did not win an award, that it was just Sophia. 966 00:52:33,248 --> 00:52:36,816 What did you do with your award? 967 00:52:36,818 --> 00:52:38,318 I didn't get one. 968 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,320 Wait, what do you mean, you didn't get one? 969 00:52:41,322 --> 00:52:48,161 I mean, Dr. Wolfe only gave it to you, and it only has your name on it! 970 00:52:48,163 --> 00:52:50,130 Are you serious? 971 00:52:50,132 --> 00:52:54,800 Feldman turns out to have his own mildly unscrupulous streak, 972 00:52:54,802 --> 00:52:56,970 because he starts to suggest, 973 00:52:56,972 --> 00:52:59,472 there are things we could do 974 00:52:59,474 --> 00:53:02,811 if we don't get the image that we're hoping to get. 975 00:53:04,947 --> 00:53:07,046 There's other things. 976 00:53:07,048 --> 00:53:09,851 Like what, like visual effects, kind of thing? 977 00:53:12,755 --> 00:53:14,454 Something like that. 978 00:53:14,456 --> 00:53:18,258 So we have then at least three possibilities here. 979 00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:20,994 We have the possibility that this whole thing is real, 980 00:53:20,996 --> 00:53:22,963 that they caught the image of Peeping Tom. 981 00:53:22,965 --> 00:53:25,865 We have the possibility of two of them got together, 982 00:53:25,867 --> 00:53:30,836 to put together this largely plausible hoax 983 00:53:30,838 --> 00:53:35,141 and we have the possibility that one of them put together a hoax on the other one. 984 00:53:35,143 --> 00:53:37,779 At least those three possibilities. 985 00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:40,780 I need to say... 986 00:53:40,782 --> 00:53:46,385 I guess my initial prejudice was the slacker who was kind of quiet in the background, 987 00:53:46,387 --> 00:53:50,856 was the X-factor, yeah, he was the instigator of the fiction 988 00:53:50,858 --> 00:53:53,159 Butterfly Kisses, video diary one. 989 00:53:53,161 --> 00:54:00,867 On reflection, it seems much more to me as though Sophia, she maybe crossed the line. 990 00:54:00,869 --> 00:54:05,371 You know, when you've invested a lot of time in a story and the deadline's coming up, 991 00:54:05,373 --> 00:54:08,974 the temptation is, yeah, how do I make this a good story? 992 00:54:08,976 --> 00:54:14,817 Unfortunately I can't prove that Peeping Tom wasn't anything more than just an actor and a hat. 993 00:54:15,416 --> 00:54:19,020 Which is kind of sucks, because I don't know what I'm gonna do from here. 994 00:54:21,123 --> 00:54:23,155 I guess, I'm just gonna need a new angle. 995 00:54:23,157 --> 00:54:25,992 And then, everything from that that point onwards 996 00:54:25,994 --> 00:54:30,032 was a collaboration in this fiction. 997 00:54:34,068 --> 00:54:35,804 It wasn't relevant to the story. 998 00:54:37,739 --> 00:54:39,807 What about the scene where they're standing in the old Ilchester Tunnel, 999 00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:43,913 and Feldman is saying if this doesn't work with the camera looking through the tunnel, 1000 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,581 we could do a special effect. 1001 00:54:47,583 --> 00:54:51,952 I mean that's, I think that's desperate times and spitballing, 1002 00:54:51,954 --> 00:54:54,019 you know, it's just talk, it's all loose talk. 1003 00:54:54,021 --> 00:54:56,055 When someone wants, you know, 1004 00:54:56,057 --> 00:54:57,590 just to speak their truth and to bring it out 1005 00:54:57,592 --> 00:55:00,193 to other people and to kind of have that position 1006 00:55:00,195 --> 00:55:03,429 of leadership and fame and everything else, 1007 00:55:03,431 --> 00:55:08,068 they will cherry-pick certain things that support what they're doing. 1008 00:55:08,070 --> 00:55:11,637 Your brain is not consciously cherry-picking, 1009 00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:13,974 it is more of an unconscious thing. 1010 00:55:13,976 --> 00:55:16,876 So, it's very easy for someone, 1011 00:55:16,878 --> 00:55:19,079 as they're starting to get in 1012 00:55:19,081 --> 00:55:25,017 to, you know, kind of an obsessive behavior or a delusion is starting to be created 1013 00:55:25,019 --> 00:55:30,090 where the look at a piece of evidence and the things that highlight for them, 1014 00:55:30,092 --> 00:55:34,360 they zoom and sink into the brain immediately and then the things that don't, 1015 00:55:34,362 --> 00:55:36,963 the brain automatically kind of just 1016 00:55:36,965 --> 00:55:39,398 sections them off like they don't even exist. 1017 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:45,007 Gavin York's decision to take that material out 1018 00:55:46,173 --> 00:55:50,010 suggests a manipulative, 1019 00:55:50,012 --> 00:55:53,280 a very strong manipulative intent on his part. 1020 00:55:53,282 --> 00:55:56,282 If you're working with all these elements, you can, 1021 00:55:56,284 --> 00:55:58,550 journalistically speaking, you can construct the... 1022 00:55:58,552 --> 00:56:03,289 You run the story out of whatever footage you choose to put in there. 1023 00:56:03,291 --> 00:56:05,525 If he took these scenes out, 1024 00:56:05,527 --> 00:56:10,329 then he had a particular reason for doing it. 1025 00:56:10,331 --> 00:56:13,400 Why he's allowing you to put them back in 1026 00:56:13,402 --> 00:56:17,170 or to utilize them in some way, It's interesting. 1027 00:56:17,172 --> 00:56:19,204 I mean, there's, there's... Pardon? 1028 00:56:19,206 --> 00:56:22,075 - He signed a release. - Yeah. 1029 00:56:22,077 --> 00:56:23,575 He authorized the use of the footage 1030 00:56:23,577 --> 00:56:24,614 in this documentary. 1031 00:56:25,847 --> 00:56:27,280 There, there are people who suggested that 1032 00:56:27,282 --> 00:56:30,083 perhaps Gavin shot this himself. 1033 00:56:30,085 --> 00:56:31,717 Do you feel that's... 1034 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,554 I don't think that's true. 1035 00:56:34,556 --> 00:56:38,458 Simply because, when would he have done it? 1036 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:42,162 I mean, my mom found the tapes in the basement, so... 1037 00:56:42,164 --> 00:56:45,401 Why do you own a Panasonic DVX100? 1038 00:56:48,436 --> 00:56:54,441 - That's the camera that Feldman filmed the documentary on. - OK. 1039 00:56:54,443 --> 00:56:57,077 They say he goes away on a lot of trips. 1040 00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:59,448 Yeah, he goes where the weddings are. 1041 00:57:00,648 --> 00:57:02,918 Does the money all match up? 1042 00:57:03,585 --> 00:57:05,121 Usually! 1043 00:57:11,025 --> 00:57:12,527 Stop! 1044 00:57:17,699 --> 00:57:19,268 I want the tapes! 1045 00:57:35,317 --> 00:57:37,516 What happened to your face? 1046 00:57:37,518 --> 00:57:41,022 - It itched. - Are you on something? 1047 00:57:42,356 --> 00:57:47,059 No, I thought the lashes would tick over the itch. 1048 00:57:47,061 --> 00:57:48,998 And the camera, 1049 00:57:50,231 --> 00:57:52,298 I locked it in the basement. 1050 00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:54,236 I threw away the battery! 1051 00:57:55,237 --> 00:57:57,369 And when I woke up from sleeping, it was back. 1052 00:57:57,371 --> 00:58:02,175 It was taping me, he was taping me. 1053 00:58:02,177 --> 00:58:05,612 Do you think it was me that pressed record for this? 1054 00:58:05,614 --> 00:58:11,684 No, he knew you were coming, that's how I knew you were coming. 1055 00:58:11,686 --> 00:58:16,222 I'm gonna get the ending that he aimed for before he does, 1056 00:58:16,224 --> 00:58:19,291 but then it's all on you, you got the tapes. 1057 00:58:19,293 --> 00:58:24,130 But I'm gonna get all the footage, you finish this movie like you said you would! 1058 00:58:24,132 --> 00:58:25,467 Remember? 1059 00:58:26,367 --> 00:58:28,371 And then he's coming after you. 1060 00:58:29,737 --> 00:58:30,836 You're next. 1061 00:58:34,141 --> 00:58:36,144 But you'll win another award! 1062 00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:50,356 This is my new delivery system 1063 00:58:50,358 --> 00:58:54,226 www.butterflykissesmovie.com. 1064 00:58:54,228 --> 00:58:58,433 - Hello! - Hi there, I'm looking for Miss Joanne Tillman? 1065 00:58:59,867 --> 00:59:02,702 She's not available right now, may I take a message? 1066 00:59:02,704 --> 00:59:04,838 Yeah, this is Gavin York calling, 1067 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:09,876 this is actually the seventh time that I've called in the past three days. 1068 00:59:09,878 --> 00:59:13,579 On Friday, when the timer runs down, 1069 00:59:13,581 --> 00:59:15,815 from midnight to 1 a.m., 1070 00:59:15,817 --> 00:59:20,552 viewers around the world will be able to watch footage, 1071 00:59:20,554 --> 00:59:22,222 the found footage, 1072 00:59:22,224 --> 00:59:25,691 and be able to make their own assessment of it. 1073 00:59:25,693 --> 00:59:27,594 We're gonna get it out on the world, so... 1074 00:59:27,596 --> 00:59:29,896 What's gonna happen after the 24 hours? 1075 00:59:29,898 --> 00:59:34,266 The website's gonna be shut down, you're not gonna be able to see it anymore. 1076 00:59:34,268 --> 00:59:35,668 What do you expect to happen then? 1077 00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:39,304 The phone does never stop ringing after that. 1078 00:59:39,306 --> 00:59:40,874 So you'll sell it to the highest bidder? 1079 00:59:40,876 --> 00:59:46,278 Or one, just, you know, moderate. One, so yeah, yeah. 1080 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,713 I'm not trying to be a jerk, 1081 00:59:47,715 --> 00:59:49,749 I just want to find out how I can speak with 1082 00:59:49,751 --> 00:59:52,651 Miss Tillman and give her some information about 1083 00:59:52,653 --> 00:59:56,523 a local community event that I've got going on on Friday. 1084 00:59:58,492 --> 00:59:59,561 Hello... 1085 01:00:03,697 --> 01:00:06,365 Hello! 1086 01:00:06,367 --> 01:00:08,867 How many, how many newspapers in... 1087 01:00:08,869 --> 01:00:10,105 All of them. 1088 01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:12,905 - Already all? - All of them. 1089 01:00:12,907 --> 01:00:14,374 And you see how it is? 1090 01:00:14,376 --> 01:00:15,742 You heard it for yourself, 1091 01:00:15,744 --> 01:00:18,478 they don't give a shit! Hang up, hang up! 1092 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,382 I mean, unless you... 1093 01:00:21,782 --> 01:00:23,583 Do you know somebody? 1094 01:00:23,585 --> 01:00:25,653 You know, we can't get involved. 1095 01:00:26,621 --> 01:00:28,521 We have to stay on this side of the camera. 1096 01:00:28,523 --> 01:00:30,889 Stay on that side of the camera if you want to, man. 1097 01:00:30,891 --> 01:00:36,662 I mean, I don't know why you guys want to sit here and film me, and not get involved, 1098 01:00:36,664 --> 01:00:39,798 because you're just wasting your time too. 1099 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,570 There's no ending to this movie whatsoever. 1100 01:00:43,572 --> 01:00:45,537 You get an awesome ending for your movie, 1101 01:00:45,539 --> 01:00:47,639 I get an awesome ending for my movie. 1102 01:00:47,641 --> 01:00:51,813 Nobody's lying, nobody's saying anything fake, alright? 1103 01:00:52,813 --> 01:00:57,418 All I'm asking for is one telephone number and a name. 1104 01:00:58,652 --> 01:01:02,889 And that we can go, and we can speak to that person and we can put this whole story out there. 1105 01:01:02,891 --> 01:01:04,360 I don't think... 1106 01:01:06,293 --> 01:01:07,529 it's cheating 1107 01:01:08,563 --> 01:01:10,633 if it's for the great reward. 1108 01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:13,999 It's DC 101, I'm Mike Jones and 1109 01:01:14,001 --> 01:01:15,767 in studio today I've been talking about 1110 01:01:15,769 --> 01:01:18,371 this found footage all week, Butterfly Kisses. 1111 01:01:18,373 --> 01:01:20,673 Gavin York, the guy that discovered this footage, 1112 01:01:20,675 --> 01:01:22,708 and you could see it for yourself, if you haven't yet, 1113 01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:25,577 until midnight tonight at butterflykissesmovie.com. 1114 01:01:25,579 --> 01:01:27,246 Gavin York, how you doing, brother? 1115 01:01:27,248 --> 01:01:28,447 I'm doing great, thanks for... 1116 01:01:28,449 --> 01:01:29,849 I just don't understand the deal 1117 01:01:29,851 --> 01:01:31,583 with this guy, man, 1118 01:01:31,585 --> 01:01:34,519 why are you filming him, what's in it for you with this? 1119 01:01:34,521 --> 01:01:36,588 It's supposed to be 1120 01:01:36,590 --> 01:01:40,260 a really fantastic, fascinated character study. And then it is! 1121 01:01:40,262 --> 01:01:41,927 Nobody wants to come to... 1122 01:01:41,929 --> 01:01:44,463 Because this has been done a thousand times before. 1123 01:01:44,465 --> 01:01:45,831 And we think it's a scam. 1124 01:01:45,833 --> 01:01:47,833 I'm not the only one, it's everyone! 1125 01:01:47,835 --> 01:01:49,869 I know, but that's the problem that I've got right now, 1126 01:01:49,871 --> 01:01:51,903 I've got hours and hours of footage that we've shot, 1127 01:01:51,905 --> 01:01:54,039 but we don't have an ending to this documentary. 1128 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,782 And you give me this opportunity to... 1129 01:02:01,583 --> 01:02:05,485 - This is the... - This is amazing! 1130 01:02:08,556 --> 01:02:10,555 It's alright, I got your back. 1131 01:02:10,557 --> 01:02:15,360 - Just don't... - Alright. 1132 01:02:15,362 --> 01:02:19,298 Alright, well, we'll see what the people have to say, it's 8669 1 DC 101. 1133 01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:20,800 Hi, DC 101! 1134 01:02:20,802 --> 01:02:22,802 Yeah, you actually think there's 1135 01:02:22,804 --> 01:02:25,641 anyone stupid enough to fall for that? 1136 01:02:26,775 --> 01:02:30,342 The video quality sucks, it's all fake. 1137 01:02:30,344 --> 01:02:32,445 Gavin, do you have anything to say? 1138 01:02:32,447 --> 01:02:36,349 Well, I mean, this would be something in 2004 to address with them! 1139 01:02:36,351 --> 01:02:39,751 No man, you totally didn't do this in 2004, you did this just now. 1140 01:02:39,753 --> 01:02:42,789 I didn't do anything in 2004, I just assembled it now. 1141 01:02:42,791 --> 01:02:44,523 I'm not trying to profit off anything. 1142 01:02:44,525 --> 01:02:46,059 Have you looked for them? 1143 01:02:46,061 --> 01:02:47,459 Take it to the police... 1144 01:02:48,996 --> 01:02:50,862 ...just check it out, that's bogus. 1145 01:02:50,864 --> 01:02:53,333 Gavin, skepticism is just everywhere. 1146 01:02:53,335 --> 01:02:56,034 - Yes, a lot of hatred out there. - A little bit, a little bit. 1147 01:02:56,036 --> 01:02:58,670 Hang it up and find something else that you might be good at. 1148 01:02:58,672 --> 01:03:02,075 Change yourself, because you're trying to profit off of somebody's death. 1149 01:03:02,077 --> 01:03:05,043 You think that people are gonna fall for this. 1150 01:03:05,045 --> 01:03:07,045 Showing a hoax it's... 1151 01:03:07,047 --> 01:03:09,749 The second I spent watching that piece of... 1152 01:03:09,751 --> 01:03:11,483 You seem like a stoner... 1153 01:03:11,485 --> 01:03:12,952 ...whichever project... 1154 01:03:12,954 --> 01:03:14,954 ...wrong about this, cursed... 1155 01:03:14,956 --> 01:03:16,389 ...not real. 1156 01:03:20,961 --> 01:03:22,795 Hello, DC 101, who's this? 1157 01:03:22,797 --> 01:03:23,829 Stanley. 1158 01:03:23,831 --> 01:03:25,565 Stan, what you gotta say to Gavin? 1159 01:03:30,704 --> 01:03:32,003 Alright, I'll tell you what. 1160 01:03:32,005 --> 01:03:33,405 I'll give him five minutes 1161 01:03:33,407 --> 01:03:34,574 and I think I've got a guy, 1162 01:03:34,576 --> 01:03:36,441 we can get my producer to call. 1163 01:03:36,443 --> 01:03:38,543 It'll be good. See what happens. 1164 01:03:38,545 --> 01:03:40,612 Good for him or? 1165 01:03:40,614 --> 01:03:43,051 It'll be good for us. 1166 01:03:44,418 --> 01:03:47,787 Gavin, listen, I know people have been blasting you. 1167 01:03:47,789 --> 01:03:49,121 I want to... 1168 01:03:49,123 --> 01:03:51,557 This is the call that we've been waiting for, 1169 01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:53,693 let me bring him on here. 1170 01:03:53,695 --> 01:03:55,961 - Hello, caller! - Yes. 1171 01:03:55,963 --> 01:03:57,729 Hi, let me introduce you. 1172 01:03:57,731 --> 01:04:01,501 Gavin, this is Ed Sanchez, the king of the found footage, 1173 01:04:01,503 --> 01:04:03,568 the director of the Blair Witch Project 1174 01:04:03,570 --> 01:04:06,505 who is calling to talk about your movie Butterfly Kisses! 1175 01:04:06,507 --> 01:04:07,907 Ed, how you doing, brother? 1176 01:04:07,909 --> 01:04:09,608 I'm doing well, man how's it going? 1177 01:04:09,610 --> 01:04:11,744 - Good. - Good afternoon! Big, big fan! 1178 01:04:11,746 --> 01:04:13,612 I've seen the footage. 1179 01:04:13,614 --> 01:04:18,016 You know, it doesn't look completely genuine to me. 1180 01:04:18,018 --> 01:04:22,155 You know, I think there's some acting involved, there's some effects involved, 1181 01:04:22,157 --> 01:04:25,657 and I think that it's kind of disturbing that he feels that 1182 01:04:25,659 --> 01:04:29,494 the only way to market this footage is to pretend it's real. 1183 01:04:29,496 --> 01:04:33,800 So, you know, I just kind of had to speak out about it, you know? 1184 01:04:33,802 --> 01:04:35,802 I understand where Gavin's coming from, 1185 01:04:35,804 --> 01:04:38,204 but, you know, he's trying to, you know, 1186 01:04:38,206 --> 01:04:40,807 get in the business, he's trying to make this film, 1187 01:04:40,809 --> 01:04:43,175 but it's just been done before, it's a... 1188 01:04:43,177 --> 01:04:46,045 Did you do this to start your career in Hollywood? 1189 01:04:46,047 --> 01:04:48,815 Is this your way of maybe kicking that door open? 1190 01:04:48,817 --> 01:04:51,918 I've been a filmmaker since I was about 12 years old. 1191 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,786 Right, that's why everyone's saying 1192 01:04:53,788 --> 01:04:57,990 that this is not footage that is legitimate, 1193 01:04:57,992 --> 01:04:59,791 that you created this on your computer. 1194 01:04:59,793 --> 01:05:01,193 I completely understand that. 1195 01:05:01,195 --> 01:05:02,461 And you've made this your film. 1196 01:05:02,463 --> 01:05:03,862 You're a professional. 1197 01:05:03,864 --> 01:05:05,664 Could you have made this on a computer at home 1198 01:05:05,666 --> 01:05:06,798 with just a few projects? 1199 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,467 At least for me, as a filmmaker, 1200 01:05:08,469 --> 01:05:09,901 you can tell that there's some stuff 1201 01:05:09,903 --> 01:05:13,072 that is obviously, you know, manipulated. 1202 01:05:13,074 --> 01:05:14,941 There's like these moments of... 1203 01:05:14,943 --> 01:05:18,010 Where just the camera happens to be on, to capture a moment. 1204 01:05:18,012 --> 01:05:20,979 That's like a big thing of found footage is like. 1205 01:05:20,981 --> 01:05:25,016 The camera happens to be on while something crazy's happening, 1206 01:05:25,018 --> 01:05:28,220 you know, you just don't have that kind of luck in life, you know. 1207 01:05:28,222 --> 01:05:31,958 The whole legend is that the footage is found in a shoebox 1208 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,561 and the footage carefully shows like oh, here's this shoebox 1209 01:05:36,563 --> 01:05:39,699 that we found it in here, I'll show it in front of the camera, 1210 01:05:39,701 --> 01:05:43,568 which is like something that they're setting up the shoebox, you know. 1211 01:05:43,570 --> 01:05:45,704 To me those are kind of, you know, 1212 01:05:45,706 --> 01:05:48,740 signs that you're setting something up dramatically. 1213 01:05:48,742 --> 01:05:50,709 In a movie you do that, you know. 1214 01:05:50,711 --> 01:05:52,778 You know, after the initial buzz of our movie, 1215 01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:54,579 we never pretended that it was real. 1216 01:05:54,581 --> 01:05:56,949 I just have a problem with him thinking that it's for real. 1217 01:05:56,951 --> 01:05:59,284 You know, maybe I think he has a problem. 1218 01:05:59,286 --> 01:06:02,854 Ed, what are gonna be the consequences if this does come out 1219 01:06:02,856 --> 01:06:04,856 and it's found out that Gavin made this up? 1220 01:06:04,858 --> 01:06:06,791 You're just kind of really 1221 01:06:06,793 --> 01:06:08,793 destroying your reputation with this, 1222 01:06:08,795 --> 01:06:10,595 because eventually somebody's going to come out, 1223 01:06:10,597 --> 01:06:12,898 some proof is gonna come out that this is not real, 1224 01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:17,103 and, you know, people are gonna ask what were you thinking? 1225 01:06:17,105 --> 01:06:20,773 And I'm kind of asking that right now, what is he thinking? 1226 01:06:20,775 --> 01:06:23,775 You know, just fess up, you know what I mean or... 1227 01:06:23,777 --> 01:06:26,144 I'm being about as honest as I can be about this. 1228 01:06:26,146 --> 01:06:28,079 Alright, well, you say so. 1229 01:06:28,081 --> 01:06:31,751 Well, Gavin York, check out the movie butterflykissesmovie.com, 1230 01:06:31,753 --> 01:06:34,653 it's on until midnight tonight, thank you! 1231 01:06:34,655 --> 01:06:36,155 DC 101! 1232 01:06:43,864 --> 01:06:44,966 Mel? 1233 01:07:21,936 --> 01:07:22,971 Hey! 1234 01:07:29,043 --> 01:07:30,945 It's alright! 1235 01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:34,148 Her mom set up an account. 1236 01:07:35,182 --> 01:07:37,818 For Carter and 1237 01:07:38,853 --> 01:07:41,088 they were putting money into it. 1238 01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:48,963 And I took all the money and I spent it on the movie. 1239 01:07:51,865 --> 01:07:53,701 How did she find out? 1240 01:07:57,771 --> 01:08:02,878 She wanted to go and take out a sum. 1241 01:08:19,961 --> 01:08:21,760 Authorities report that the strange death 1242 01:08:21,762 --> 01:08:23,062 of a local man leaves more questions 1243 01:08:23,064 --> 01:08:24,763 than answers this morning. 1244 01:08:24,765 --> 01:08:26,298 Friends say that Feldman, 1245 01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:28,701 a film student, had been acting strangely. 1246 01:08:28,703 --> 01:08:30,902 Yeah, he's been making this movie with this... 1247 01:08:34,442 --> 01:08:37,375 The body was lying on floor, smashed to pieces. 1248 01:08:37,377 --> 01:08:40,979 Feldman's body had been found in the cabinet, under the kitchen sink. 1249 01:08:40,981 --> 01:08:44,450 This creature is coming and... 1250 01:08:44,452 --> 01:08:47,852 At this time, authorities await results of an autopsy. 1251 01:09:02,804 --> 01:09:06,839 Hopefully we have a record with him this evening and, you know, 1252 01:09:06,841 --> 01:09:10,776 figure out where he's been, if he's giving us a call, obviously we're, 1253 01:09:10,778 --> 01:09:15,313 you know, we're showing up there to shoot, we're just filming this for posterity 1254 01:09:15,315 --> 01:09:17,184 - at this point. - Yeah. 1255 01:09:18,219 --> 01:09:21,286 I don't really think we're gonna use much about this, to be honest. 1256 01:09:21,288 --> 01:09:24,158 Sure, I agree! 1257 01:09:36,938 --> 01:09:40,740 You want me to keep rolling on this so that we have... 1258 01:09:40,742 --> 01:09:42,340 Just whatever you do. 1259 01:09:42,342 --> 01:09:44,375 I don't have a lot of battery left. 1260 01:09:44,377 --> 01:09:46,180 If you're right about it. Alright! 1261 01:09:47,247 --> 01:09:49,083 Gavin! 1262 01:09:51,786 --> 01:09:53,288 Hey, Gavin! 1263 01:09:57,425 --> 01:09:59,027 Gavin! 1264 01:10:01,229 --> 01:10:03,329 I'm gonna stop recording for a second. 1265 01:10:03,331 --> 01:10:05,164 No, no, just keep it rolling. 1266 01:10:05,166 --> 01:10:07,031 No, what are we recording here? 1267 01:10:07,033 --> 01:10:09,168 We're not doing anything, I don't... 1268 01:10:09,170 --> 01:10:11,269 Go talk to him or something, man, this is getting... 1269 01:10:11,271 --> 01:10:13,772 I don't even know what to say to him! 1270 01:10:13,774 --> 01:10:16,210 I don't know, Erik, you're the director! 1271 01:10:21,548 --> 01:10:22,583 Gavin! 1272 01:10:24,118 --> 01:10:26,755 Look, buddy, we can't help you if you don't talk to us. 1273 01:10:27,822 --> 01:10:29,522 It's not... 1274 01:10:29,524 --> 01:10:31,960 Just when he gets closer to you... 1275 01:10:33,528 --> 01:10:35,197 It's when you get closer to him... 1276 01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:40,366 Wait, what are you talking about? 1277 01:10:40,368 --> 01:10:42,204 Butterfly kisses! 1278 01:10:45,038 --> 01:10:48,139 We need to help this guy, seriously. 1279 01:10:48,141 --> 01:10:52,279 We call, we call his wife! 1280 01:10:53,314 --> 01:10:58,284 We don't have her number. She changed her number. I don't know what her new number is. 1281 01:10:58,286 --> 01:11:02,888 What about his, what about his mom-in-law? Whatever her name was. 1282 01:11:02,890 --> 01:11:04,322 I never had her number. 1283 01:11:04,324 --> 01:11:05,523 It worked through Amelia, 1284 01:11:05,525 --> 01:11:07,026 and the house is sold, 1285 01:11:07,028 --> 01:11:08,764 so I don't even know how to find her. 1286 01:11:10,163 --> 01:11:12,430 I don't know, I mean, I'm not... 1287 01:11:12,432 --> 01:11:15,267 We're supposed to make it a movie about him, 1288 01:11:15,269 --> 01:11:19,905 and I don't know how much, if this is our responsibility, we're not, not his family. 1289 01:11:19,907 --> 01:11:21,874 It is our responsibility now, we've... 1290 01:11:21,876 --> 01:11:23,008 We've taken him this far, 1291 01:11:23,010 --> 01:11:24,309 we've kind of screwed him over 1292 01:11:24,311 --> 01:11:25,611 on a couple things! 1293 01:11:25,613 --> 01:11:27,045 We haven't screwed him over, Kenny! 1294 01:11:27,047 --> 01:11:28,446 But, DC 101 was total set up. 1295 01:11:28,448 --> 01:11:31,250 DC 101 who's not a total set up, he agreed to it. 1296 01:11:31,252 --> 01:11:35,888 He didn't know you were gonna have Ed Sanchez call him. Come on! 1297 01:11:35,890 --> 01:11:38,324 I did not put him on the air to fail, 1298 01:11:38,326 --> 01:11:40,159 we gave him that option. 1299 01:11:40,161 --> 01:11:42,894 Look, it was mutually exclusive, mutually beneficial. We, we... 1300 01:11:42,896 --> 01:11:47,066 We needed an end to the movie, and he needed a public forum through which to speak. 1301 01:11:47,068 --> 01:11:49,000 We agreed on this. 1302 01:11:49,002 --> 01:11:50,902 How is that, how is that my fault? 1303 01:11:50,904 --> 01:11:53,405 - You guys, all said... - You ruin his life for your movie, 1304 01:11:53,407 --> 01:11:54,940 how about that? 1305 01:11:54,942 --> 01:11:56,342 At what point did this become my movie 1306 01:11:56,344 --> 01:11:58,143 and this became I ruin somebody's life? 1307 01:11:58,145 --> 01:12:01,080 Man, you just keep pushing him. You keep... 1308 01:12:01,082 --> 01:12:03,549 Why do you guys, why do you guys keep showing up 1309 01:12:03,551 --> 01:12:06,117 with the gear and shooting, what we're doing then? 1310 01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:09,420 If you're so, if you have such moral issues with it, 1311 01:12:09,422 --> 01:12:11,223 why are you fucking here? 1312 01:12:11,225 --> 01:12:13,358 - Who's that? - What? 1313 01:12:15,363 --> 01:12:17,228 Somebody's running across the tracks. 1314 01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:19,264 - Come on, guys. - Shit! 1315 01:12:22,502 --> 01:12:25,169 Where is the camera? Did he take the camera? 1316 01:12:32,979 --> 01:12:34,248 Guys, slow down. 1317 01:12:39,587 --> 01:12:43,391 - Did he seriously go in there? - I'm not going in there. 1318 01:12:47,028 --> 01:12:49,661 Guys! The camera battery is getting low! 1319 01:12:49,663 --> 01:12:51,696 We have to make a decision here. 1320 01:12:51,698 --> 01:12:53,197 Gavin! 1321 01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:54,967 The camera is about to die, Erik! 1322 01:12:54,969 --> 01:12:56,238 What are we doing? 1323 01:12:57,971 --> 01:13:00,004 - What is that? - What? 1324 01:13:00,006 --> 01:13:02,309 - Who the fuck is that? - Gavin! 1325 01:13:03,109 --> 01:13:05,544 - Did you see? - It's right there. 1326 01:13:05,546 --> 01:13:08,414 - Did you see anything? - I don't see anything! 1327 01:13:08,416 --> 01:13:11,282 It's right in fucking the end of the tunnel! What the fuck is...? 1328 01:13:14,488 --> 01:13:16,958 Feldman sent this the night that he died. 1329 01:13:17,524 --> 01:13:21,593 As you can see, he details out what he called the final plan. 1330 01:13:21,595 --> 01:13:25,164 At the end, he only had three blinks left, so he set the camera up 1331 01:13:25,166 --> 01:13:29,434 into a mirror, so he covered both sides, the front and the back of himself. 1332 01:13:29,436 --> 01:13:32,039 He crouched down in front of the mirror 1333 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,508 and had this hammer ready, so that on his final blink 1334 01:13:36,510 --> 01:13:42,317 he could stop, he could stop him from getting him, so he thought... 1335 01:13:43,250 --> 01:13:47,686 Feldman's parents let me go over and go through everything when 1336 01:13:47,688 --> 01:13:52,624 Feldman had passed, because we were working on the project together. 1337 01:13:52,626 --> 01:13:58,062 I was able to get this tape which was in the camera, up until the end. 1338 01:13:58,064 --> 01:14:01,467 As you can see, it's all cracked up and the tape was unspooled, 1339 01:14:01,469 --> 01:14:05,070 but I was actually able to put it back together. 1340 01:14:05,072 --> 01:14:07,074 It took a few days, 1341 01:14:08,009 --> 01:14:09,607 but I did it. 1342 01:14:09,609 --> 01:14:12,510 The only thing that would play, was the last clip, 1343 01:14:12,512 --> 01:14:15,350 and that's OK, because Feldman was smart. 1344 01:14:16,117 --> 01:14:18,450 He also had this. 1345 01:14:50,384 --> 01:14:51,250 Ah! 1346 01:15:28,756 --> 01:15:33,791 Alright, so Andy, for the benefit of the camera, can you please, 1347 01:15:33,793 --> 01:15:37,131 can you please tell me what you sent me in the email? 1348 01:15:37,765 --> 01:15:41,834 Well, what I found was, 1349 01:15:41,836 --> 01:15:47,238 if you look when Peeping Tom is jumping up, 1350 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,179 like jumping up to grab Feldman... 1351 01:15:52,712 --> 01:15:57,085 If you look in his eye, there's actually an image in his eye. 1352 01:15:58,185 --> 01:16:03,254 At first, I thought it was the shot of the, like the Ilchester tunnel, 1353 01:16:03,256 --> 01:16:07,860 like I thought it was like a frame grab from the video 1354 01:16:07,862 --> 01:16:10,595 where he appeared, but 1355 01:16:10,597 --> 01:16:12,263 I actually think it's the other way around, 1356 01:16:12,265 --> 01:16:15,400 like it's what Peeping Tom saw 1357 01:16:15,402 --> 01:16:16,802 when Peeping Tom appeared 1358 01:16:16,804 --> 01:16:19,470 so he's looking through the tunnel 1359 01:16:19,472 --> 01:16:23,342 and... you see the lights from that camera 1360 01:16:23,344 --> 01:16:27,448 and beyond that is like the train bridge. 1361 01:16:28,215 --> 01:16:32,483 OK, so this, this is his POV 1362 01:16:32,485 --> 01:16:36,554 of Crane and Feldman filming him the night... 1363 01:16:36,556 --> 01:16:40,094 It's Peeping Tom's point of view, yeah. 1364 01:16:43,697 --> 01:16:45,632 Wow, ah... 1365 01:16:46,432 --> 01:16:48,933 So this is what it sounds like by itself. 1366 01:16:50,703 --> 01:16:53,237 You wouldn't necessarily be able to tell 1367 01:16:53,239 --> 01:16:54,473 that that's Morse code, 1368 01:16:54,475 --> 01:16:55,941 but you can see that it looks 1369 01:16:55,943 --> 01:16:57,543 a hell of a lot like it. 1370 01:16:57,545 --> 01:17:00,512 So, we, last time we were working with Gavin, 1371 01:17:00,514 --> 01:17:02,647 there was kind of some debate over the sound 1372 01:17:02,649 --> 01:17:04,516 that we found at the beginning of... 1373 01:17:04,518 --> 01:17:08,887 seems like each clip after the bridge footage. 1374 01:17:08,889 --> 01:17:14,192 Using this synthesizer sampler from iZotope, called Iris, 1375 01:17:14,194 --> 01:17:18,530 you can basically feed it the sound and it'll map out the frequencies 1376 01:17:18,532 --> 01:17:22,237 and amplitude of the sound visually. 1377 01:17:25,872 --> 01:17:28,773 So, when I called you guys in here, I was actually 1378 01:17:28,775 --> 01:17:31,943 thinking that Gavin would be in here, as well. 1379 01:17:31,945 --> 01:17:35,347 He's the director and yeah, I would have thought he would want to see this, 1380 01:17:35,349 --> 01:17:38,450 it's pretty crazy, kind of validates him, but... 1381 01:17:38,452 --> 01:17:40,588 Gavin have been missing for nine days. 1382 01:17:41,555 --> 01:17:42,624 Huh! 1383 01:17:44,291 --> 01:17:48,227 Alright, so, OK. Are you rolling? 1384 01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:50,262 - Yeah! - OK, so, on the way over here, 1385 01:17:50,264 --> 01:17:54,633 before I left this arrived in the mail, this is from Gavin. 1386 01:17:54,635 --> 01:17:56,968 I have not opened it up because I wanted to wait until 1387 01:17:56,970 --> 01:17:59,303 we do this on camera. Ready? 1388 01:17:59,305 --> 01:18:02,342 - Yeah. - OK. Alright. 1389 01:18:03,010 --> 01:18:04,445 DVCAM. 1390 01:18:07,648 --> 01:18:10,585 - What is that? - Holy shit! 1391 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,855 This is, this is... 1392 01:18:15,855 --> 01:18:18,656 Sophia Crane, this is from the found footage. 1393 01:18:18,658 --> 01:18:22,229 This is the package that Feldman sent her. 1394 01:18:27,001 --> 01:18:28,603 No kidding! 1395 01:18:29,869 --> 01:18:31,736 This is... 1396 01:18:31,738 --> 01:18:35,339 OK, alright, look, either this is a prop or... 1397 01:18:35,341 --> 01:18:37,411 Oh, fuck, how did he get this? 1398 01:18:38,511 --> 01:18:43,382 Because that was the... and then the stuff that Sophia found with the, you know, 1399 01:18:43,384 --> 01:18:45,851 she was like storyboard, storyboard, concept art. 1400 01:18:45,853 --> 01:18:48,519 - This is gotta be fake. - Where is it coming from? 1401 01:18:48,521 --> 01:18:51,322 - I don't know. - I thought it was Gavin. 1402 01:18:51,324 --> 01:18:53,525 Gingo Corp's not even showing up on the map, 1403 01:18:53,527 --> 01:18:55,727 anywhere in Maryland, there's a Gringo Court! 1404 01:18:55,729 --> 01:18:56,827 Coincidentally. 1405 01:18:56,829 --> 01:18:58,629 Of course, it's the Ginkgo Court. 1406 01:18:58,631 --> 01:19:00,999 What the fuck is Gringo? Because... 1407 01:19:01,001 --> 01:19:04,835 Hey, look, I mean, sometimes they change communities, they change the street names... 1408 01:19:04,837 --> 01:19:06,707 - Is anything else in there? - Yeah. 1409 01:19:08,509 --> 01:19:14,812 See, here's his journal, so maybe it tells what he's been doing for the past two weeks. 1410 01:19:14,814 --> 01:19:16,416 I don't know. 1411 01:19:19,052 --> 01:19:21,553 This is a motel key card. 1412 01:19:21,555 --> 01:19:24,488 - Are you rolling? - Yeah. 1413 01:19:29,962 --> 01:19:34,066 A lot of survey by... Fucking, what's going on? 1414 01:19:34,068 --> 01:19:35,570 Gavin! 1415 01:19:38,604 --> 01:19:40,942 Is the management guys still... 1416 01:19:41,908 --> 01:19:45,811 Good, let's go in! I don't think we should record in here. 1417 01:19:45,813 --> 01:19:48,080 We're not breaking in, are we? 1418 01:19:48,082 --> 01:19:50,081 Yeah, right. 1419 01:19:50,083 --> 01:19:52,351 Oh, shit! 1420 01:19:52,353 --> 01:19:54,385 Gavin! 1421 01:19:54,387 --> 01:19:57,054 Jesus, it's not good! The hell is this? 1422 01:19:57,056 --> 01:19:58,623 - Kenny, Kenny! - What? 1423 01:19:58,625 --> 01:20:02,093 - The GoPro's on. - Jesus! 1424 01:20:02,095 --> 01:20:04,795 What you think he's doing? What the fuck is this? 1425 01:20:04,797 --> 01:20:06,430 Recording it. 1426 01:20:06,432 --> 01:20:08,770 Here's his camera, there's no card inside it. 1427 01:20:10,703 --> 01:20:13,875 Does anybody see the Panasonic, the DVX? 1428 01:20:15,975 --> 01:20:17,478 The tapes? 1429 01:20:19,046 --> 01:20:20,845 Everything OK? 1430 01:20:20,847 --> 01:20:24,883 OK, cool. Put this in the car, we'll take these with us. 1431 01:20:24,885 --> 01:20:26,651 - Shit! - OK. 1432 01:20:26,653 --> 01:20:30,821 Fuck, dude! Let's get out of here! Let's go, let's go! 1433 01:20:30,823 --> 01:20:33,090 What's wrong? 1434 01:20:33,092 --> 01:20:35,527 I don't know, seriously! 1435 01:20:35,529 --> 01:20:37,562 Oh, fuck, dude! 1436 01:20:37,564 --> 01:20:39,600 What is it, man, what's in there? 1437 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,704 I suggest to start from the beginning with what happened. 1438 01:20:44,738 --> 01:20:47,742 OK, so, we're making a documentary. 1439 01:20:48,574 --> 01:20:49,876 Is that on? 1440 01:20:51,145 --> 01:20:52,910 Are you recording it? 1441 01:20:52,912 --> 01:20:55,546 - Yes. - OK. 1442 01:20:55,548 --> 01:20:56,915 Go ahead. 1443 01:20:56,917 --> 01:20:59,821 We're making a documentary about 1444 01:21:01,020 --> 01:21:02,454 the deceased. 1445 01:21:11,597 --> 01:21:13,432 Carl, where's the footage? 1446 01:21:13,434 --> 01:21:15,500 Where are the tapes? 1447 01:21:15,502 --> 01:21:16,971 In my car. 1448 01:21:18,704 --> 01:21:21,807 Do you think, should we show the police 1449 01:21:21,809 --> 01:21:24,009 the footage on the camera and everything? 1450 01:21:24,011 --> 01:21:25,177 - No, no. - Why not? 1451 01:21:25,179 --> 01:21:26,510 They might take it away. 1452 01:21:26,512 --> 01:21:27,912 They'll take the tapes, 1453 01:21:27,914 --> 01:21:30,051 they want the tapes, they need the tapes. 1454 01:21:30,984 --> 01:21:33,117 The tapes, look, the tapes in the shoebox 1455 01:21:33,119 --> 01:21:35,719 have absolutely nothing to do with what happened here. 1456 01:21:35,721 --> 01:21:39,057 Nothing to do with it, and we already have a real scene, we can use the footage. 1457 01:21:39,059 --> 01:21:41,660 I'm talking about the footage on my camera that we just shot, 1458 01:21:41,662 --> 01:21:43,061 shouldn't we show that to the police? 1459 01:21:43,063 --> 01:21:44,763 Yeah, but, if we show that to the police 1460 01:21:44,765 --> 01:21:46,498 it'll show that Carl found the tapes 1461 01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:47,801 and then they'll take the tapes. 1462 01:21:50,203 --> 01:21:54,071 What do you think he was doing, all the GoPros and all the camera stuff, like, what... 1463 01:21:54,073 --> 01:21:57,808 I don't know, I think the more important question is who took the cards? 1464 01:21:57,810 --> 01:22:00,044 Who? They're not in the cameras... 1465 01:22:00,046 --> 01:22:04,081 - So we'll find out in ten years! - What? 1466 01:22:04,083 --> 01:22:06,487 That's when the footage will be found! 1467 01:22:10,724 --> 01:22:13,191 I went to bed early last night. 1468 01:22:13,193 --> 01:22:17,228 I was so tired, kind of like you are right before you're getting sick. 1469 01:22:17,230 --> 01:22:21,700 I dreamt I went to the tunnel and I was staring down, 1470 01:22:21,702 --> 01:22:23,003 right at midnight. 1471 01:22:24,238 --> 01:22:27,775 Everyone says it's so hard, but I thought it was so easy. 1472 01:22:29,877 --> 01:22:32,544 And when I stared for an hour, 1473 01:22:32,546 --> 01:22:33,681 he appeared 1474 01:22:34,782 --> 01:22:38,586 and then I woke up and I realized it wasn't a dream! 1475 01:22:39,552 --> 01:22:41,588 It's ten miles from my house 1476 01:22:42,855 --> 01:22:44,992 and I don't know how I got there! 1477 01:22:46,827 --> 01:22:49,527 Alright, I'll tell you about this tunnel... 1478 01:22:49,529 --> 01:22:50,965 Oh, fuck! 1479 01:22:52,466 --> 01:22:56,735 Let's be honest here, this is not what we thought this was going to be, 1480 01:22:56,737 --> 01:22:59,937 and now we're trying to make something out of it. 1481 01:22:59,939 --> 01:23:04,742 Listen, not all documentaries, not all projects come together. 1482 01:23:04,744 --> 01:23:09,281 This is one of those examples, it just didn't, it didn't pan out. 1483 01:23:09,283 --> 01:23:12,887 So you're saying we don't have a compelling story to cut together here, we don't have... 1484 01:23:13,886 --> 01:23:19,657 There's, there's no end to this story other than us standing here on the tracks. 1485 01:23:19,659 --> 01:23:23,628 There's no end of this story because it's all, this is the beginning. 1486 01:23:23,630 --> 01:23:25,196 - You understand? - What? 1487 01:23:25,198 --> 01:23:27,031 We have the tapes, right? 1488 01:23:27,033 --> 01:23:29,166 Then there's what Studio Unknown found, OK? 1489 01:23:29,168 --> 01:23:31,736 They found that sound anomaly. 1490 01:23:31,738 --> 01:23:33,905 We didn't put that there, Gavin didn't put that there. 1491 01:23:33,907 --> 01:23:38,343 With what Wardlaw found, OK, with the reflection in the eye, 1492 01:23:38,345 --> 01:23:40,911 and I don't know we put this documentary out there 1493 01:23:40,913 --> 01:23:42,947 and other people can take it to the next step! 1494 01:23:42,949 --> 01:23:45,717 - This is just the beginning. - You're contradicting yourself! 1495 01:23:45,719 --> 01:23:49,153 - I'm not contradicting myself! - You just said we're not trying 1496 01:23:49,155 --> 01:23:52,190 to present us like a real story, and now you are trying to present it like this. 1497 01:23:52,192 --> 01:23:56,827 I am trying to present this like the real story of what happened to Gavin York. 1498 01:23:56,829 --> 01:23:58,897 And because we're trying to tell Gavin's story, 1499 01:23:58,899 --> 01:24:02,800 these component factors that are included in there are part of his story, 1500 01:24:02,802 --> 01:24:04,068 part of what happened to him. 1501 01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:05,202 I'm not saying it's real, 1502 01:24:05,204 --> 01:24:06,804 I'm just saying that 1503 01:24:06,806 --> 01:24:11,076 what kind of a fucking idiot just drops it! 1504 01:24:11,078 --> 01:24:14,048 Erik, do you believe that the Blinkman is real? 1505 01:24:32,765 --> 01:24:36,267 My name is Sophia Crane. It's March 3rd, 2004. 1506 01:24:36,269 --> 01:24:39,370 I'm a film student and this is my senior thesis. 1507 01:24:39,372 --> 01:24:41,772 I don't know how much longer I'm going to be alive, 1508 01:24:41,774 --> 01:24:43,273 so I ask whoever find this, 1509 01:24:43,275 --> 01:24:45,710 please apply the first and second halves 1510 01:24:45,712 --> 01:24:47,111 of this final interview 1511 01:24:47,113 --> 01:24:49,347 to the beginning and end of my film. 1512 01:24:49,349 --> 01:24:51,351 I don't know where to make the cut. 1513 01:24:52,185 --> 01:24:56,057 This is the story of Peeping Tom and how I went looking for him. 1514 01:24:56,957 --> 01:24:59,760 Please show this to my parents. 1515 01:25:01,127 --> 01:25:04,428 I don't know how much longer I can go without blinking, 1516 01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:07,699 but I think I found a way to beat him. 1517 01:25:07,701 --> 01:25:10,268 The girl who stared into the sun 1518 01:25:10,270 --> 01:25:14,104 she only lost her sight, she still had to blink. 1519 01:25:14,106 --> 01:25:15,940 Everyone blinks. 1520 01:25:15,942 --> 01:25:19,980 It's right here, taunting me, try one last thing. 1521 01:25:35,095 --> 01:25:37,461 They say you can't cheat Peeping Tom. 1522 01:25:37,463 --> 01:25:40,900 But I think I found the way to beat him at his own game! 1523 01:26:02,749 --> 01:26:07,749 Subtitles by explosiveskull