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There's another one,
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down by the spa.
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You asked me
how to get ahead at the firm.
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That's how you do it.
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What about merit?
W-What about hard work?
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Let me explain something to you.
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For you to rise in the ranks,
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someone has to make
room for you.
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They have to give up
something,
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maybe... a raise
or part of a bonus.
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Now why is someone going to be
giving up something
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unless they get something?
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Oh, geez. It's behind you,
corner of the bar.
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January 5th, 9:40 p.m.
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Postmortem
examination.
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External search: Negative.
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Internal trunk exploration:
Negative.
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Forensic evidence discovered:
None.
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How is that possible?
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Excuse me?
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This man's killed four women
in a year and a half.
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How is it he can hide
in women's bathrooms,
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chloroform his victims,
undress them,
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undress himself,
have sex with them,
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strangle them to death,
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and still not leave one bit
of forensic evidence?
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Not one drop of semen?
Not one fleck of skin?
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Listen, I know you're new here,
but, uh, Dr...?
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Martin. Julia Martin.
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We're talking
public bathrooms.
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They're a convention center
of forensic evidence.
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The victims' bodies,
that's another story.
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That's how we'll get him.
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Dr. Martin,
you're still here?
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I'd like to take another look
at Emily Baker's body.
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Eh, kind of late.
Everyone's gone.
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That's okay.
I'll be fine.
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I'll put everything back
the way I found it.
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We're obviously
thrilled that this afternoon,
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a jury of his peers
convicted John Malford,
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otherwise known as
the "Bathroom Stall Butcher,"
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for the murder
of young Emily Baker.
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Special thanks to the New York
City Medical Examiner's Office,
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in particular
to Julia Martin,
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whose tireless work led to the
discovery of the pivotal piece
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of evidence against
John Malford.
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Hi. Welcome to Billy's.
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If you're gonna be a successful
attorney in Manhattan,
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this is a place you need
to know about.
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Oh, I didn't even know
there was a Billy's.
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Well, consider tonight as a part
of your legal education.Thanks.
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As a matter of fact,
FDR used to settle cases
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at that table
right there
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in the back.
Oh, I don't care about all that.
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Show me where
the Benny Colón booth is.
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No, this ain't
Dunkin' Donuts.
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Why don't you find us a table.
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I'll grab us some drinks.
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Benjamin Colón.
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Stella!
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And Ryan.
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Wow...
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What is the occasion?
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You two look like a pair
of breathalyzer tests
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- waiting to happen.
- Well,
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truth is I have
a pretty good shot
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at getting a client
out of prison.
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Guy was put away for life,
so...
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So what'd you do?
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You bake him a cake
with a hacksaw in it?
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- One better.
- Ah.
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I discovered the evidence
that got him convicted
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may have been tampered with.
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- Seriously?
- Yeah.
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By, uh, the police, or...?
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Medical Examiner's Office.
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Yeah.
I petitioned to have
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a client's DNA evidence retested
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and it came back... no match,
not even close.
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Well, who's
the medical examiner?
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You know Julia Martin?
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No, no, no, no.
That must be a mistake.
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She was picked up this morning.
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D.A.'s office thinks
it was intentional.
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Who is your client?
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Remember the "Bathroom Stall
Butcher," John Malford?
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I hate
trolling for cases.
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I like to be asked.
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I like to be the one
who can say no.
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We are not trolling.
We are offering our services.
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And trust me, so is every other
A-list criminal firm in town.
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I mean, this is
Julia Martin.
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Chief Medical Examiner
for the City of New York.
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These are the kinds of cases
that get the town talking.
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Plus, I know her.
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There's no way
she'd tamper with evidence.
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Well, obviously the D.A.
doesn't agree with you
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or he wouldn't have
arrested her.
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Plus, I know she has
a big title,
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but at the end of the day
she's just a civil servant.
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What are you
trying to say?
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Well, is this another
pro bono situation?
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Because, frankly,
I've become such a pro at bono,
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I'm getting ready to start
my own Irish rock band.
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You wake up in the morning
and
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you go over in your head
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all those hundreds of things
that you have to do this week.
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It just... doesn't occur to you
that you might get arrested.
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You might spend
your first night in jail.
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I'm the Chief Medical Examiner
for the City of New York.
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We want to help you, Julia.
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You know I can't afford to pay
top-shelf guys like you.
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We'll be fine.
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Will I be?
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I also can't afford for you
to do a half-assed job
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because you're just in it
for the free press.
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Keep in mind the best press
for everyone
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is about your
ultimate acquittal.
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You keep that in mind.
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All right then,
I guess it's the two of you.
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Lucky us.
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So here's what I know.
Six years ago,
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when I found that hair
in the back of a woman's throat,
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it was a perfect match
to John Malford's hair, perfect.
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100%. I still have
the evidence that says so,
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so I'm not clear
exactly why we're here.
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The problem is
Malford's attorney
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was running out of appeals,
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so he decided
to throw a Hail Mary
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and petitioned for
a new analysis of the hair,
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an outside analysis
of the hair.
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And when an outside lab tested it,
it came back negative.
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And after they popped
their champagne,
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they sent it to three more labs,
and it also came back negative.
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It didn't match
Malford's hair at all.
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That's not plausible.
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Someone switched the hairs,
or they tested the wrong hair.
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Julia, it's completely
plausible.
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You don't have to agree with it,
but it's certainly plausible.
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No. You're wrong.
It isn't.
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There's no circumstance
under which I would ever
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tamper with evidence
in any case.
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Everyone knows this
about me.
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No.
Everyone does not.
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Think about it.
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You performed the examination
sometime after midnight.
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You were alone
in the autopsy room,
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and lack of plausibility
is not the argument
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that's gonna win
the case for you.
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Okay. You know that
it was a pubic hair.
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Right? It was
a man's pubic hair.
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I found it in the deepest
recesses of her esophagus.
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So let's say that
I... am going to plant a hair.
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Where would I have gotten
a male pubic hair from?
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Oh, come on. Those can't be that
hard to come by in the morgue.
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Is it possible you made
a mistake?
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- Excuse me?
- I mean, maybe
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you thought you
found evidence
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that was relevant to
the case, but it wasn't.
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Emily might've
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indulged in oral sex
with someone else,
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consensual contact.
You did an autopsy.
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You found this hair.
It was a mistake.
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No, that's not possible.
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I ran every test
that there was.
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I ran every test myself.
That was his hair.
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Keep in mind,
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if it was truly
a mistake,
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then there is
no criminal intent.
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If there is no criminal intent,
then there's no crime.
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Mistakes.
Everybody makes them.
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So you're telling me,
if I say that I made a mistake,
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the charges might be withdrawn?
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Well, it's certainly something
I'd like to take to the D.A.
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I can't imagine that they
would want to go forward
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with this trial.
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I can't.You can't what?
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I can't say that
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because I don't
make mistakes,
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not when it comes
to forensic science.
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Does that change anything
for the two of you?
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Just makes the job harder,
but we didn't take up the offer
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because we thought
it was gonna be easy.
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We told you we wanted
to defend you, and we mean it.
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So what's the plan?
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Well, to get you out
on bail, for starters.
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I'll talk to the D.A.
in the morning, get a lay
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of the land and see what they
think they have on you.
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Dr. Martin.
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Julia.
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Thank you.
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- Did you say...
- Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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♪BULL (2016)♪
Season 03 Episode 12
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*BULL (2016)*
Episode Title: "Split Hairs"
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Captioned by Media Access Group
at WGBH access.wgbh.org
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Sync corrections by srjanapala
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The truth is you know
she couldn't have done this.
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She'd rather cut off her own arm
than give you a false report.
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And yet, she did.
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You think I'm looking
to take down a medical examiner?
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We work with them every day.
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I've had these results
checked and rechecked
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with four different labs.
She screwed up,
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which makes all of us look bad.
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Have you actually considered
the repercussions of this?
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You convict the Chief.
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Medical Examiner
for the City of New York,
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and you are handing
a "get out of jail free" card
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to everyone you've ever
put behind bars.
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You will have a mile-long line
of attorneys out your door
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claiming that their clients
were falsely convicted.
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Is that what you want?
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Your discovery packet.
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Assuming you're still
gonna want the case
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once you see
what's in there.
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Okay, what's in there?
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Julia's first examination
of Emily Baker's corpse,
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she came up with nothing.
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Okay, so she found the evidence
the second time through.
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And that's fine, except she
completely deleted the first report.
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The one where
she came up empty,
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just plucked it out of the
system like it never happened.
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That's a big no-no.
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Okay.
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You know it's a breach of
protocol to delete any reports.
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Even ones that are later
replaced by updated results,
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and you know why.
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Because it can be construed
as consciousness of guilt.
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Julia's the best there is.
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Do you think she'd accidentally
forget protocol?
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She couldn't find any evidence
on the dead girl,
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she decided to take matters
into her own hands
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and create some.
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Oh, here's the bail agreement.
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= Is she on her way?
Already here.
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She and Benny are
waiting in your office.
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Assistant District Attorney
Williams is not your friend.
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I never said that he was.
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He's claiming you destroyed
an official autopsy report.
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Did you write an official report
stating that you didn't find
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any physical evidence after
your examination of Emily Baker
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and then delete that report from
the official citywide records?
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Yes.
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It was...
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years ago. I mean...
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You have to know how bad
that's gonna look to a jury.
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That first report was useless.
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It only said
that I didn't find anything.
250
00:12:11,950 --> 00:12:13,658
Yes, but in a court of law,
251
00:12:13,721 --> 00:12:17,229
it's going to look like
a prior inconsistent statement.
252
00:12:17,549 --> 00:12:19,398
You weren't supposed
to delete it.
253
00:12:19,541 --> 00:12:22,737
You were supposed to keep it
and turn it over in discovery.
254
00:12:22,843 --> 00:12:24,372
No, I wasn't gonna do that.
255
00:12:24,564 --> 00:12:26,932
Malford's lawyers
would've just used it
256
00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:30,221
to-to call in to question
the evidence that I did find.
257
00:12:30,301 --> 00:12:32,065
I know
how these people operate.
258
00:12:32,135 --> 00:12:36,284
Julia, that first report
is still evidence.
259
00:12:36,510 --> 00:12:38,010
You can't just destroy evidence
260
00:12:38,088 --> 00:12:39,487
because it doesn't
suit your needs.
261
00:12:39,550 --> 00:12:43,382
Okay, technically, that first
report was about an absence
262
00:12:43,445 --> 00:12:46,013
of evidence, which
isn't really evidence.
263
00:12:46,158 --> 00:12:47,604
Okay, all right.
264
00:12:47,725 --> 00:12:50,323
The bottom line is,
and-and I know
265
00:12:50,416 --> 00:12:52,846
you couldn't see the future
from where you were standing,
266
00:12:53,213 --> 00:12:55,213
you didn't do yourself
any favors.
267
00:12:55,486 --> 00:12:58,854
The D.A.'s office is gonna say
that you intentionally deleted
268
00:12:58,963 --> 00:13:01,179
that report
to make it easier for you
269
00:13:01,257 --> 00:13:02,632
to intentionally
plant the evidence.
270
00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:04,381
But that isn't what
actually happened.
271
00:13:04,607 --> 00:13:06,643
Even if it looks like
that's what happened.
272
00:13:06,788 --> 00:13:09,283
It really boils down to this:
either you made a mistake,
273
00:13:09,346 --> 00:13:12,141
or someone, quite possibly you,
is guilty of malfeasance.
274
00:13:12,223 --> 00:13:14,752
Well, Danny's already
looking into malfeasance.
275
00:13:15,049 --> 00:13:18,239
She's trying to find anyone
with the means and motive
276
00:13:18,321 --> 00:13:19,627
to have switched out the hairs.
277
00:13:19,709 --> 00:13:23,462
Which in the meantime
leaves us with: mistake.
278
00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,601
As I've already explained
to you,
279
00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,788
I don't make
those kinds of mistakes.
280
00:13:27,851 --> 00:13:29,515
Well, then someone else did.
281
00:13:31,426 --> 00:13:33,486
In either event, we need
to follow chain of custody.
282
00:13:33,564 --> 00:13:36,975
I need to know everyone
who had access to that hair.
283
00:13:37,514 --> 00:13:39,521
Julia, can you talk
to my investigator,
284
00:13:39,603 --> 00:13:42,249
talk to her about how evidence
is catalogued and stored,
285
00:13:42,312 --> 00:13:44,374
who had access,
how they get access?
286
00:13:44,437 --> 00:13:45,927
Of course.Excellent.
287
00:13:47,287 --> 00:13:49,560
Well, then, Mr. Colón and I will
see you in court
288
00:13:49,623 --> 00:13:51,685
later this afternoon.
289
00:13:53,794 --> 00:13:55,140
Everything all right?
290
00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,147
I guess.
291
00:13:57,646 --> 00:13:59,951
I just realized I don't know
where to go.
292
00:14:00,275 --> 00:14:02,943
And what to do until court.
293
00:14:03,474 --> 00:14:06,431
You know, my first instinct
is to rush back to the morgue
294
00:14:06,494 --> 00:14:09,185
and then I remembered
that I can't.
295
00:14:16,441 --> 00:14:18,152
Not to worry.
296
00:14:20,538 --> 00:14:22,402
It is gonna be tough
to find jurors
297
00:14:22,465 --> 00:14:23,816
who aren't put off
by our client.
298
00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:25,198
Mm.
299
00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:29,112
Maybe we should look for people
who only see the best in others.
300
00:14:29,456 --> 00:14:32,214
Actually, I was thinking
just the opposite.
301
00:14:32,862 --> 00:14:35,708
What? People who
only see the worst?
302
00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:37,467
You ever heard
of Hanlon's razor?
303
00:14:37,530 --> 00:14:38,576
No.
304
00:14:38,747 --> 00:14:40,319
"Never attribute to malice
305
00:14:40,416 --> 00:14:43,131
that which is adequately
explained by stupidity."
306
00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:46,014
We need people who will
look at this situation.
307
00:14:46,083 --> 00:14:49,658
Julia's gotten into and think,
"This isn't some big conspiracy.
308
00:14:49,842 --> 00:14:52,451
This is probably
just someone's stupid mistake."
309
00:14:52,576 --> 00:14:54,381
Good afternoon.
310
00:14:54,982 --> 00:14:58,537
So let's say you send
an e-mail to your boss
311
00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,254
asking him for time off.
312
00:15:00,636 --> 00:15:02,990
A day goes by
and he doesn't respond.
313
00:15:03,482 --> 00:15:04,810
What do you make of that?
314
00:15:04,935 --> 00:15:06,044
He's busy.
315
00:15:06,107 --> 00:15:07,826
I like her.
Tell me why I shouldn't.
316
00:15:07,904 --> 00:15:09,662
Jennifer Thomas, single mom,
317
00:15:09,725 --> 00:15:13,654
43 years old, two kids and
you are going to hate this:
318
00:15:13,717 --> 00:15:16,986
she works at an insurance
company as a claims manager.
319
00:15:19,551 --> 00:15:21,377
Can I pick 'em
or can I pick 'em?
320
00:15:21,554 --> 00:15:24,572
Probably spends her days looking
at inflated insurance claims.
321
00:15:24,913 --> 00:15:27,399
She's the very definition
of what we don't want.
322
00:15:27,550 --> 00:15:30,306
We'd like to thank and excuse
this juror, Your Honor.
323
00:15:32,931 --> 00:15:34,042
Personally?
324
00:15:34,306 --> 00:15:36,807
I hate it when people
don't respond to my e-mails.
325
00:15:36,947 --> 00:15:38,033
Why is that?
326
00:15:38,164 --> 00:15:41,048
Well, they're trying to tell me
that I don't matter.
327
00:15:42,987 --> 00:15:44,673
I guess I figured
he didn't get the e-mail,
328
00:15:44,798 --> 00:15:46,658
or maybe he deleted it
by accident.
329
00:15:47,204 --> 00:15:49,821
Because anyone can make
an honest mistake, right?
330
00:15:49,925 --> 00:15:50,941
Sure.
331
00:15:53,467 --> 00:15:55,817
This juror's acceptable
to the defense, Your Honor.
332
00:15:56,032 --> 00:15:58,711
Then, ladies and gentlemen,
we have our jury.
333
00:15:59,364 --> 00:16:01,322
Trial will commence
tomorrow morning.
334
00:16:01,537 --> 00:16:02,674
Court is adjourned.
335
00:16:04,625 --> 00:16:06,714
This thing that you're doing,
it's not gonna work.
336
00:16:06,827 --> 00:16:09,930
I didn't make a mistake.
I don't make mistakes.
337
00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:12,024
You're making one now.
338
00:16:12,538 --> 00:16:14,711
So you were the lab tech
on the Malford autopsies?
339
00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:16,743
It made my career.
Julia's, too.
340
00:16:16,969 --> 00:16:18,540
I hear she's a tough boss.
341
00:16:18,968 --> 00:16:20,805
She's a little uptight.
342
00:16:21,313 --> 00:16:23,467
But honestly, that's what
you need around here.
343
00:16:23,594 --> 00:16:24,681
And who handled
the evidence
344
00:16:24,763 --> 00:16:25,856
besides Julia?
345
00:16:25,954 --> 00:16:27,180
No one.
346
00:16:27,586 --> 00:16:28,782
Really?
347
00:16:29,141 --> 00:16:31,813
Julia insisted
on doing it all herself.
348
00:16:32,157 --> 00:16:33,290
All of it?
349
00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,418
She was certified
to test DNA?
350
00:16:36,227 --> 00:16:38,313
She's kind of a control freak.
351
00:16:38,753 --> 00:16:42,602
So she put the hair in the bag,
tested it, sealed it,
352
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:44,875
signed it into the storage
locker all by herself?
353
00:16:46,844 --> 00:16:47,961
Dr. Henson,
354
00:16:48,157 --> 00:16:50,277
you were
the defendant's supervisor
355
00:16:50,359 --> 00:16:51,969
during the Malford
investigation.
356
00:16:52,196 --> 00:16:54,290
There was a team of us
working on it,
357
00:16:54,394 --> 00:16:56,790
looking for something
of forensic value.
358
00:16:56,980 --> 00:16:58,969
And you didn't find anything,
did you?
359
00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:00,336
No.
360
00:17:00,428 --> 00:17:02,604
But then,
something happened.
361
00:17:03,141 --> 00:17:06,860
Dr. Martin stayed on after
we completed the autopsy.
362
00:17:06,983 --> 00:17:09,227
A few hours later,
she notified me,
363
00:17:09,383 --> 00:17:11,313
said she found a hair.
364
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,485
We were all stunned.
365
00:17:13,618 --> 00:17:14,711
Why?
366
00:17:15,001 --> 00:17:17,860
Well, we had searched every inch
of the victim's body.
367
00:17:17,969 --> 00:17:19,937
But you were pleased.
Of course.
368
00:17:20,135 --> 00:17:21,415
We all wanted
to put an end
369
00:17:21,478 --> 00:17:24,094
to this horrible string
of sexual attacks and murders.
370
00:17:24,180 --> 00:17:26,922
So you were proud of Dr. Martin?
371
00:17:28,243 --> 00:17:30,571
I was proud of our unit.
372
00:17:31,713 --> 00:17:34,196
I sense some hesitation
on your behalf
373
00:17:34,301 --> 00:17:36,221
with regard to Dr. Martin.
374
00:17:37,094 --> 00:17:39,469
She has always been
very diligent.
375
00:17:39,876 --> 00:17:41,047
Very determined.
376
00:17:41,218 --> 00:17:45,188
But frankly, she was
very hard on people.
377
00:17:45,416 --> 00:17:47,636
She could be quite arrogant.
378
00:17:49,845 --> 00:17:51,165
Thank you.
379
00:17:51,425 --> 00:17:52,750
Nothing further.
380
00:17:57,357 --> 00:17:59,875
Good morning, Dr. Henson.
381
00:18:00,391 --> 00:18:01,688
I just need you
382
00:18:01,807 --> 00:18:03,235
to clear something up.
383
00:18:04,215 --> 00:18:05,767
You know, in the whole time
that you ran
384
00:18:05,829 --> 00:18:09,977
the medical examiner's office,
you never once did complain
385
00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:13,434
about my client's job
performance, did you?
386
00:18:13,954 --> 00:18:16,276
Not in any
performance review,
387
00:18:16,358 --> 00:18:19,056
not even casually,
in a face-to-face with her, say,
388
00:18:19,138 --> 00:18:20,286
in your office?
389
00:18:20,825 --> 00:18:21,872
No.
390
00:18:22,004 --> 00:18:24,075
And isn't it true
that she replaced you?
391
00:18:24,281 --> 00:18:27,028
That she went from being your
subordinate to your supervisor?
392
00:18:27,147 --> 00:18:28,973
That's not how
I would describe it.
393
00:18:29,036 --> 00:18:31,609
Ah, well, how would
you describe it?
394
00:18:32,411 --> 00:18:35,614
I mean, uh, one day,
she's working for you,
395
00:18:35,677 --> 00:18:38,223
and the next day,
she's your boss.
396
00:18:38,701 --> 00:18:41,318
It stands to reason
that you probably harbor
397
00:18:41,381 --> 00:18:43,864
some resentment towards
Dr. Martin, wouldn't you say?
398
00:18:44,007 --> 00:18:45,149
Objection.
399
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,432
Ask another question.
400
00:18:47,887 --> 00:18:51,294
I mean, she fired you.
401
00:18:51,411 --> 00:18:53,184
- Didn't she?
- Objection.
402
00:18:53,681 --> 00:18:54,934
What's the relevance?
403
00:18:54,997 --> 00:18:56,738
It goes to bias, Your Honor.
404
00:18:57,133 --> 00:19:00,533
Dr. Henson is using this
courtroom to settle a score.
405
00:19:01,006 --> 00:19:02,309
Overruled.
406
00:19:02,395 --> 00:19:03,831
Please answer the question.
407
00:19:04,747 --> 00:19:07,536
We had differences of opinion
on a number of cases.
408
00:19:07,876 --> 00:19:11,505
But she has the right to work
with whomever she chooses.
409
00:19:13,502 --> 00:19:17,387
I will admit that I did not like
the way she operated the unit.
410
00:19:17,692 --> 00:19:21,575
In my opinion,
she was obsessive.
411
00:19:21,713 --> 00:19:23,817
Determined to solve any
case, no matter what.
412
00:19:24,184 --> 00:19:27,926
Sometimes even if the forensics
did not bear her out.
413
00:19:28,801 --> 00:19:29,918
But again,
414
00:19:30,028 --> 00:19:31,692
that is your opinion.
415
00:19:32,516 --> 00:19:37,723
The opinion of the man
she replaced and ultimately fired.
416
00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:40,973
Just my opinion.
417
00:19:41,747 --> 00:19:43,794
No further questions,
Your Honor.
418
00:19:48,885 --> 00:19:50,262
This is the last of it.
419
00:19:50,426 --> 00:19:53,091
Every piece of information
about the hair that exists.
420
00:19:53,245 --> 00:19:55,682
Your original analysis,
your second analysis,
421
00:19:55,745 --> 00:19:58,997
the independent analysis,
photos, storage data.
422
00:20:04,911 --> 00:20:06,661
Anything jumping out at you?
423
00:20:07,567 --> 00:20:08,708
Not yet.
424
00:20:08,771 --> 00:20:11,099
I'm not trying to get out
of anything, but honestly,
425
00:20:11,162 --> 00:20:13,302
I have no idea
what I'm reading here.
426
00:20:13,526 --> 00:20:14,745
Just give it to me.
427
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:17,810
You, too.
Give me yours.
428
00:20:26,671 --> 00:20:29,366
You don't have to sit here.
I don't need a babysitter.
429
00:20:32,406 --> 00:20:33,712
I'll be in my office.
430
00:20:33,795 --> 00:20:35,352
I'll be in my bed.
431
00:20:51,861 --> 00:20:53,110
Should I come back?
432
00:20:53,256 --> 00:20:55,282
Of course not. What's up?
433
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,940
Pollen.
434
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,453
Excuse me?
435
00:20:58,637 --> 00:21:00,857
The hair all the outside labs
have been testing
436
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,750
is covered with pollen.
437
00:21:03,786 --> 00:21:05,493
And that matters because...?
438
00:21:05,556 --> 00:21:07,621
Well, to begin with,
it makes me wonder
439
00:21:07,684 --> 00:21:09,813
whether the hair is actually
a pubic hair at all.
440
00:21:09,876 --> 00:21:13,321
And if so, how it possibly
came into contact with pollen.
441
00:21:14,711 --> 00:21:16,735
Well, I'm sure,
with a little imagination,
442
00:21:16,798 --> 00:21:18,657
someone will come up
with a scenario.
443
00:21:19,449 --> 00:21:22,008
Emily was murdered
in the dead of winter.
444
00:21:24,211 --> 00:21:26,602
And in the dead of winter,
there is no pollen.
445
00:21:27,743 --> 00:21:31,735
This is not the hair
I found on Emily's body.
446
00:21:35,399 --> 00:21:36,753
Dr. Martin,
447
00:21:36,999 --> 00:21:40,024
isn't it true that
the night that you
448
00:21:40,328 --> 00:21:43,250
found the sole piece of DNA
evidence against Mr. Malford,
449
00:21:43,329 --> 00:21:45,281
that... everyone
had gone home
450
00:21:45,344 --> 00:21:48,085
and... you were completely alone
with the victim's body?
451
00:21:48,290 --> 00:21:50,641
- Yes.
- And do you regularly
452
00:21:50,704 --> 00:21:53,039
perform autopsies alone,
453
00:21:53,289 --> 00:21:55,204
late at night, when everyone's
gone home for the day?
454
00:21:55,266 --> 00:21:56,408
Yes.
455
00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:58,355
And why is that?
456
00:21:58,656 --> 00:22:01,016
I have a really
particular skill set,
457
00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:03,086
and I find
that skill set works best
458
00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:05,227
when there's just two of us
in the room.
459
00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:07,203
Myself, and the cadaver.
460
00:22:07,652 --> 00:22:11,569
Other people really just end up
being distractions.
461
00:22:11,792 --> 00:22:13,961
All right.
Let's talk about that.
462
00:22:14,386 --> 00:22:16,812
When you say that other people
are distractions,
463
00:22:16,875 --> 00:22:19,828
it sounds very... negative.
464
00:22:19,976 --> 00:22:21,099
Very dismissive.
465
00:22:21,227 --> 00:22:22,758
One could easily get
the impression
466
00:22:22,821 --> 00:22:24,891
that... you just don't like people.
467
00:22:25,033 --> 00:22:27,586
And we want the
jurors to like you.
468
00:22:27,743 --> 00:22:30,570
And it helps if they think
you might like them.
469
00:22:32,128 --> 00:22:34,125
I don't know them.
470
00:22:34,479 --> 00:22:35,883
Of course.
471
00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:40,164
Okay, um, let's forget
that line of thinking.
472
00:22:40,539 --> 00:22:43,007
Here's another reason
why saying you find
473
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:45,828
other people distracting might
not serve your best interests:
474
00:22:45,965 --> 00:22:48,000
anything that makes it sound
like you don't like
475
00:22:48,130 --> 00:22:50,039
having people around
when you do your work
476
00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:52,367
might make the jurors
think that you don't
477
00:22:52,517 --> 00:22:55,344
want company because
it makes it harder
478
00:22:55,531 --> 00:22:57,289
to manipulate evidence.
479
00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:00,570
You see that, right?
480
00:23:00,687 --> 00:23:03,173
- I don't manipulate evidence.
- I know that.
481
00:23:03,286 --> 00:23:05,914
But you're-you're talking
to people who don't know you.
482
00:23:06,312 --> 00:23:08,992
So how would you suggest
I answer that?
483
00:23:09,507 --> 00:23:13,255
Well, maybe there's another
reason you work late
484
00:23:13,337 --> 00:23:15,195
that wouldn't lead them
to the same conclusion.
485
00:23:15,595 --> 00:23:18,547
Maybe you find it
impossible to sleep
486
00:23:18,664 --> 00:23:20,937
when there are grieving
friends and relatives
487
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,430
out there waiting for answers
488
00:23:22,493 --> 00:23:24,766
as to what happened
to their loved ones?
489
00:23:25,461 --> 00:23:28,187
I can't say that.
That's-that's not the truth.
490
00:23:28,565 --> 00:23:29,773
Maybe there's a truth
491
00:23:29,884 --> 00:23:32,297
that's more palatable
to the jury.
492
00:23:34,375 --> 00:23:38,498
Mr. Palmer, I'm a scientist,
and scientists deal with facts.
493
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,859
There is one truth,
there's one right answer.
494
00:23:42,192 --> 00:23:45,828
If you ask me a question,
I am going to give you that truth.
495
00:23:45,985 --> 00:23:47,883
As to whether it's palatable,
496
00:23:48,051 --> 00:23:50,188
that's not something
I've ever concerned myself with.
497
00:23:50,269 --> 00:23:52,639
Well, it ought to be,
because you're gonna be spending
498
00:23:52,702 --> 00:23:55,192
ten years in prison for
something that you didn't do
499
00:23:55,255 --> 00:23:57,262
if we can't make the
jury understand
500
00:23:57,325 --> 00:23:58,858
your side of the story.
501
00:23:58,987 --> 00:24:01,512
Okay, again, there is
no "my side" of the story.
502
00:24:01,585 --> 00:24:02,895
There is what happened,
503
00:24:03,274 --> 00:24:05,112
and there is
what did not happen.
504
00:24:05,539 --> 00:24:08,816
There is truth and fact,
and there is falsehood.
505
00:24:08,889 --> 00:24:12,347
You can't spin the truth,
you cannot polish it up
506
00:24:12,445 --> 00:24:14,878
or put lipstick on a pig,
which is what I feel like
507
00:24:14,941 --> 00:24:16,542
you're trying to do
to me right now.
508
00:24:16,662 --> 00:24:17,995
I am what I am.
509
00:24:18,083 --> 00:24:20,487
I did what I did, and I don't
regret a minute of it
510
00:24:20,550 --> 00:24:22,878
because I did it
all by the book.
511
00:24:25,112 --> 00:24:26,605
So are we done here?
512
00:24:27,245 --> 00:24:28,917
It certainly seems that way.
513
00:24:29,331 --> 00:24:31,409
- You talk to Chunk?
- Sure did.
514
00:24:31,634 --> 00:24:33,347
You still want to put her
on the stand?
515
00:24:33,494 --> 00:24:34,577
I do.
516
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,698
He said that
she's fundamentally incapable
517
00:24:36,761 --> 00:24:39,252
of shading her answers
even one iota.
518
00:24:39,484 --> 00:24:41,909
Even at the risk of sending
herself to prison.
519
00:24:42,121 --> 00:24:43,839
I'm waiting for the bad news.
520
00:24:44,196 --> 00:24:46,205
I'm pretty sure I just
gave you the bad news.
521
00:24:46,269 --> 00:24:49,104
So the truth is, this woman
can't even fudge the facts
522
00:24:49,193 --> 00:24:50,620
to keep herself out of jail.
523
00:24:50,797 --> 00:24:53,190
Now we just have to get a jury
to understand that that means
524
00:24:53,253 --> 00:24:55,217
she couldn't possibly
have fudged them
525
00:24:55,496 --> 00:24:57,604
to put someone else behind bars.
526
00:24:58,074 --> 00:24:59,390
We've heard a lot
527
00:24:59,453 --> 00:25:02,331
about the fact
that you like to work alone
528
00:25:02,551 --> 00:25:04,182
and often late at night.
529
00:25:04,256 --> 00:25:05,854
Can you please tell us
530
00:25:05,972 --> 00:25:07,948
why that's your practice,
Dr. Martin?
531
00:25:10,088 --> 00:25:12,542
I'm not good with people.
532
00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:16,167
I know how
that sounds.
533
00:25:16,449 --> 00:25:19,268
Trust me, it's not made me
a lot of friends.
534
00:25:20,786 --> 00:25:22,776
But I am good
at my job.
535
00:25:23,236 --> 00:25:25,552
I'm great at my job.
536
00:25:25,955 --> 00:25:27,962
And in order to be
the best at my job,
537
00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:29,573
I have to be able
to concentrate.
538
00:25:29,671 --> 00:25:32,799
I have to know that every single
step of that process
539
00:25:32,862 --> 00:25:35,635
was done
with precision and care.
540
00:25:35,995 --> 00:25:38,815
And if I do every step myself,
I don't have to worry
541
00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:40,462
that it wasn't done properly.
542
00:25:41,213 --> 00:25:42,385
I don't have to worry
543
00:25:42,448 --> 00:25:45,636
that I offended someone
because I criticized them
544
00:25:45,699 --> 00:25:47,206
for making a mistake.
545
00:25:47,685 --> 00:25:49,471
Or that I forgot
to praise someone
546
00:25:49,534 --> 00:25:51,596
for just doing their job.
547
00:25:52,667 --> 00:25:56,370
So what do you say
to the allegations
548
00:25:56,543 --> 00:25:58,681
that you falsified evidence
549
00:25:58,763 --> 00:26:01,042
in order to get a conviction
against John Malford?
550
00:26:01,448 --> 00:26:03,721
I would say that's ridiculous.
551
00:26:04,237 --> 00:26:06,042
I don't care about John Malford.
552
00:26:06,682 --> 00:26:09,121
I have never cared
about who gets convicted.
553
00:26:09,203 --> 00:26:11,476
That's not
a win for me.
554
00:26:11,558 --> 00:26:13,907
A win for me is finding
the right answer.
555
00:26:14,147 --> 00:26:17,634
It's solving the puzzle,
it's making the crime stop.
556
00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:21,227
I do crosswords a lot.
557
00:26:21,391 --> 00:26:23,421
And they have
these new apps now.
558
00:26:23,537 --> 00:26:26,163
If you get stuck, you can prompt
it, and it'll give you a word,
559
00:26:26,226 --> 00:26:28,109
or it will give you a letter.
560
00:26:28,209 --> 00:26:30,624
And I would...
I would just never do that.
561
00:26:30,857 --> 00:26:33,249
I would never
want to do that,
562
00:26:33,685 --> 00:26:36,382
because having
a filled-out crossword,
563
00:26:37,194 --> 00:26:38,820
that does nothing for me.
564
00:26:39,284 --> 00:26:44,085
But solving it myself,
that's the part that's satisfying.
565
00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:49,054
So no, I would never falsify
evidence to get a conviction,
566
00:26:49,164 --> 00:26:52,645
because then I would
never really know who did it.
567
00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:54,734
I wouldn't solve the puzzle.
568
00:26:55,772 --> 00:26:59,031
If you cheat,
you never find the truth.
569
00:27:03,262 --> 00:27:04,335
Marissa?
570
00:27:04,403 --> 00:27:05,741
No movement yet,
571
00:27:05,826 --> 00:27:08,484
but they clearly want
to believe her.
572
00:27:08,764 --> 00:27:10,234
Baby steps.
573
00:27:12,766 --> 00:27:15,788
I'm starting to think Chunk
doesn't know his own strength.
574
00:27:15,877 --> 00:27:18,093
Kept telling me she was
hopeless, but he actually
575
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:20,859
turned her into
a very effective witness.
576
00:27:21,485 --> 00:27:24,577
- Ah, speak of the devil.
- Oh...
577
00:27:26,983 --> 00:27:28,561
What have we here?
578
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:29,843
Well,
579
00:27:29,906 --> 00:27:32,530
I wasn't able to connect Malford
directly to any of the people
580
00:27:32,593 --> 00:27:34,389
who worked at the medical
examiner's office,
581
00:27:34,452 --> 00:27:36,828
- but then Danny had a great idea.
- Serial killers
582
00:27:37,008 --> 00:27:38,989
like Malford tend to attract
obsessive fans.
583
00:27:39,052 --> 00:27:40,910
Total strangers who begin
to believe they have
584
00:27:40,973 --> 00:27:42,867
an intimate relationship
with these killers.
585
00:27:42,944 --> 00:27:44,864
Excessive adoration disorder.
586
00:27:44,938 --> 00:27:46,882
Oh, yeah.
I've heard of this.
587
00:27:47,116 --> 00:27:50,492
Crazy ladies who marry prisoners
they've never met before.
588
00:27:50,959 --> 00:27:53,515
Well, they're not all ladies
and they don't all get married,
589
00:27:53,578 --> 00:27:55,211
but yes, that's what
we're talking about.
590
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,234
Malford hasn't had a
jailhouse wedding yet,
591
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,500
but he does have
quite the fan club.
592
00:27:59,710 --> 00:28:01,795
Our guy's gotten
thousands of letters,
593
00:28:01,906 --> 00:28:03,678
and he's responded
to hundreds of them.
594
00:28:03,771 --> 00:28:05,662
The good news is,
Sing Sing keeps a scan
595
00:28:05,757 --> 00:28:07,553
of all incoming
and outgoing mail,
596
00:28:07,647 --> 00:28:09,194
and they gave Taylor access.
597
00:28:09,327 --> 00:28:11,686
Any one of these admirers
sound like they'd be willing
598
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:13,295
to help Malford
break out of prison?
599
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,458
Oh, yeah.
600
00:28:14,521 --> 00:28:15,967
There's no shortage of those.
601
00:28:16,030 --> 00:28:18,240
But we're still talking
about over two dozen people.
602
00:28:18,303 --> 00:28:20,084
The math is not encouraging.
603
00:28:20,262 --> 00:28:22,007
More than 80 people had access
604
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:23,701
to the evidence
storage facility.
605
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:26,592
More than two dozen crazies
writing love letters.
606
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:28,194
That's a
lot of leads
607
00:28:28,281 --> 00:28:30,256
to be running down in
the middle of a trial.
608
00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:32,701
We don't have the time.
609
00:28:32,866 --> 00:28:34,477
I'm betting a day,
maybe two,
610
00:28:34,568 --> 00:28:37,303
before the judge forces
us to rest our case.
611
00:28:38,436 --> 00:28:40,639
Maybe we should just
go right to the source.
612
00:28:41,102 --> 00:28:42,412
Excuse me?
613
00:28:42,935 --> 00:28:45,388
See how early Benny and I
can get into Sing Sing tomorrow
614
00:28:45,451 --> 00:28:47,147
to talk with John Malford.
615
00:28:47,365 --> 00:28:50,084
Uh... John Malford?
Seriously?
616
00:28:50,227 --> 00:28:53,273
Uhm. Sometimes the shortest
distance between two points
617
00:28:53,336 --> 00:28:54,826
is a straight line.
618
00:28:54,903 --> 00:28:57,100
We need to figure out
who's helping this guy
619
00:28:57,163 --> 00:29:00,959
break out of prison;
why don't we just go ask him?
620
00:29:05,483 --> 00:29:06,968
So what's
the game plan here, boss?
621
00:29:07,031 --> 00:29:09,030
I just want to look him
in the eye, see what I see.
622
00:29:09,092 --> 00:29:11,475
Maybe he'll offer something
useful, maybe he won't.
623
00:29:11,740 --> 00:29:14,240
Serial killers tend to be
outsized narcissists.
624
00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:16,967
Nothing they like to talk
about more than themselves.
625
00:29:17,076 --> 00:29:18,807
I just want to
get him talking.
626
00:29:23,287 --> 00:29:26,107
Ryan, good to see you.
627
00:29:26,459 --> 00:29:27,973
I didn't know you'd
be joining us.
628
00:29:28,036 --> 00:29:29,959
Benny, Dr. Bull, pleasure.
629
00:29:30,217 --> 00:29:32,772
When the prison informed me
you'd requested a meeting,
630
00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:34,483
I thought it wise to sit in.
631
00:29:34,592 --> 00:29:35,764
Of course.
632
00:29:35,834 --> 00:29:38,389
Just to be clear,
this was all very last minute.
633
00:29:38,959 --> 00:29:40,350
Nobody's trying to
pull a fast one...
634
00:29:40,412 --> 00:29:42,061
Never even crossed my mind.
635
00:29:42,225 --> 00:29:44,068
Just want to be certain
everyone remembers,
636
00:29:44,154 --> 00:29:45,764
my client isn't on trial.
637
00:29:45,928 --> 00:29:47,045
Yours is.
638
00:29:47,264 --> 00:29:49,865
Oh, I think we're all
very clear about that.
639
00:29:51,861 --> 00:29:53,592
You must be Mr. Malford.
640
00:29:53,811 --> 00:29:55,022
Yeah. John.
641
00:29:55,454 --> 00:29:56,765
Who are you?
642
00:29:56,944 --> 00:29:59,412
These are the gentlemen
representing the medical examiner
643
00:29:59,498 --> 00:30:01,928
who falsified the evidence
that got you locked up, John.
644
00:30:02,177 --> 00:30:03,195
Hmm.
645
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:04,585
So...
646
00:30:04,811 --> 00:30:06,500
what can we do for you?
647
00:30:06,589 --> 00:30:08,440
Well, we just wanted
to get a look at the man
648
00:30:08,503 --> 00:30:10,297
who's at the center of our case.
649
00:30:10,841 --> 00:30:12,669
How you holding up
in here, John?
650
00:30:12,993 --> 00:30:14,290
Holding up good.
651
00:30:14,372 --> 00:30:17,468
Working out, food's okay.
652
00:30:17,844 --> 00:30:19,470
How's your head?
653
00:30:19,766 --> 00:30:22,735
You lonely?
You have any friends?
654
00:30:22,875 --> 00:30:25,313
Oh, yeah. I got friends.
655
00:30:25,508 --> 00:30:27,172
Inside and outside.
656
00:30:27,469 --> 00:30:28,641
Aha.
657
00:30:28,719 --> 00:30:30,345
How do you mean, "outside"?
658
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:31,692
Oh, you know.
659
00:30:31,878 --> 00:30:36,285
I get letters, pictures.
People want to visit.
660
00:30:36,449 --> 00:30:39,800
Want to, um, make friends.
661
00:30:41,331 --> 00:30:42,580
- Women.
- Mm.
662
00:30:42,662 --> 00:30:47,331
Oh. That sounds like a...
great life.
663
00:30:47,902 --> 00:30:50,074
Some of those pictures
are naked.
664
00:30:51,011 --> 00:30:52,672
So, you two working
for the prison now?
665
00:30:52,754 --> 00:30:55,597
Hmm? Conducting a customer
satisfaction survey?
666
00:30:55,972 --> 00:30:58,089
The point is, John here's
been a model prisoner,
667
00:30:58,152 --> 00:31:00,042
he's adapted to prison life
flawlessly.
668
00:31:00,199 --> 00:31:03,019
Not a black mark on his record
to hinder his appeal.
669
00:31:03,255 --> 00:31:06,050
Ah. Right. John's appeal.
670
00:31:06,808 --> 00:31:08,902
Hey, I-I've got to ask,
671
00:31:09,027 --> 00:31:10,863
why even bother
with the appeal?
672
00:31:10,926 --> 00:31:13,308
You seem so content.
673
00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:14,677
Because he's innocent.
674
00:31:15,777 --> 00:31:16,831
What do I care
675
00:31:16,913 --> 00:31:19,261
if this guy wants to
push some papers around?
676
00:31:19,853 --> 00:31:21,115
No skin off my back.
677
00:31:21,178 --> 00:31:22,777
I mean, what's the worst
thing that happens?
678
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,835
I actually... get out?
679
00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:28,355
You're right.
680
00:31:28,477 --> 00:31:29,933
No harm, no foul.
681
00:31:30,155 --> 00:31:33,035
This has been great.
682
00:31:34,061 --> 00:31:36,402
Really... helpful.
683
00:31:37,542 --> 00:31:38,699
Mr. Vance.
684
00:31:39,128 --> 00:31:40,581
Mr. Malford.
685
00:31:43,284 --> 00:31:45,230
Hey, why'd you cut bait
like that?
686
00:31:46,066 --> 00:31:47,441
The guy was just warming up.
687
00:31:47,504 --> 00:31:49,527
Maybe we could've gotten a name,
688
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:52,238
maybe found our inside man
at the morgue.
689
00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:54,292
There is no name.
690
00:31:54,438 --> 00:31:56,402
There is no inside man
at the morgue.
691
00:31:56,493 --> 00:31:57,630
How do you mean?
692
00:31:59,461 --> 00:32:01,847
Did Malford seem like
he'd even contemplated
693
00:32:01,948 --> 00:32:03,389
life outside of prison?
694
00:32:03,628 --> 00:32:06,054
No. It didn't seem like
695
00:32:06,136 --> 00:32:08,511
he actually cared much
about his appeal at all.
696
00:32:08,704 --> 00:32:10,706
Exactly. He also showed
very little interest
697
00:32:10,769 --> 00:32:11,812
in Julia's case.
698
00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:14,051
Now, if this guy spent
the last six years
699
00:32:14,185 --> 00:32:17,410
hatching this scheme and
manipulating some admirer
700
00:32:17,449 --> 00:32:18,980
to do his bidding,
don't you think he'd be
701
00:32:19,042 --> 00:32:21,041
a little more invested
in the fruits of his labor?
702
00:32:21,738 --> 00:32:23,300
So, Malford didn't do it?
703
00:32:23,431 --> 00:32:25,394
Malford didn't change
the evidence?
704
00:32:25,686 --> 00:32:27,175
Back to square one?
705
00:32:28,246 --> 00:32:29,667
Maybe not.
706
00:32:29,950 --> 00:32:32,518
Malford might have no
interest in Julia's case,
707
00:32:32,607 --> 00:32:36,230
but someone put
this thing in motion.
708
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,519
Who do you mean?
709
00:32:39,449 --> 00:32:41,437
Ryan?
No.
710
00:32:41,675 --> 00:32:43,980
Ryan's his lawyer.
He's just doing his job.
711
00:32:44,193 --> 00:32:47,035
You don't think it strange
that he was there
712
00:32:47,136 --> 00:32:49,527
at that meeting just now,
or that he has been
713
00:32:49,614 --> 00:32:52,175
in court every day
of Julia's trial?
714
00:32:54,447 --> 00:32:55,847
I don't know, Bull.
715
00:32:56,488 --> 00:32:59,027
Ryan is not my favorite guy,
716
00:32:59,098 --> 00:33:02,214
but what does he care
if Julia goes down?
717
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:04,449
I'm not sure.
718
00:33:04,833 --> 00:33:06,706
I'm just telling you
what I see.
719
00:33:08,855 --> 00:33:10,886
Since we moved off
the fangirl theory
720
00:33:10,949 --> 00:33:12,700
and onto Malford's lawyer,
721
00:33:12,801 --> 00:33:14,503
I circled back
to the 80 people
722
00:33:14,597 --> 00:33:16,761
who had access to the
evidence storage facility
723
00:33:16,824 --> 00:33:18,684
at the medical examiner's
office to see if I could
724
00:33:18,746 --> 00:33:20,175
try to find some
kind of link.
725
00:33:20,355 --> 00:33:22,706
We never did do a deep dive
into any of their finances,
726
00:33:22,769 --> 00:33:24,160
because Malford was broke,
727
00:33:24,253 --> 00:33:26,191
so it didn't seem
particularly relevant.
728
00:33:26,331 --> 00:33:30,331
But Malford's attorney,
Mr. Ryan Vance, Esquire, is not.
729
00:33:30,472 --> 00:33:32,058
He has plenty of money
to pay off
730
00:33:32,128 --> 00:33:34,066
an overworked,
underpaid lab tech.
731
00:33:34,355 --> 00:33:35,730
Like Skylar Brown.
732
00:33:35,996 --> 00:33:38,573
Skylar was wrestling with a
significant amount of debt.
733
00:33:38,636 --> 00:33:40,214
She maxed out four
credit cards and has
734
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:41,804
two delinquent
homeowner loans.
735
00:33:41,941 --> 00:33:44,300
But, coincidentally,
Skylar seems to have had
736
00:33:44,394 --> 00:33:45,980
a financial windfall,
737
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:47,331
just three weeks prior
738
00:33:47,421 --> 00:33:49,855
to the independent analysis
of Malford's hair.
739
00:33:50,035 --> 00:33:52,304
A cash deposit,
$60,000,
740
00:33:52,386 --> 00:33:54,120
straight into her
personal checking account.
741
00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:57,644
Hmm. Okay, $60,000 question.
742
00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:59,777
Can we tie any of this cash
back to Ryan Vance?
743
00:33:59,894 --> 00:34:02,402
Not yet, but we are
gonna keep at it.
744
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,361
I feel the heat all
the way over here.
745
00:34:05,567 --> 00:34:07,081
Something not
clicking for you?
746
00:34:07,488 --> 00:34:09,902
I got everything but the "why."
747
00:34:10,902 --> 00:34:14,019
Why would a successful attorney
like Ryan Vance
748
00:34:14,191 --> 00:34:18,021
put his entire livelihood,
his entire legacy on the line
749
00:34:18,339 --> 00:34:21,851
for a rapist and a murderer
like John Malford?
750
00:34:22,613 --> 00:34:23,668
So...
751
00:34:23,925 --> 00:34:25,410
why frame Julia?
752
00:34:25,512 --> 00:34:28,238
Why go to all the trouble?
753
00:34:28,871 --> 00:34:31,144
Why risk putting
a homicidal sexual predator
754
00:34:31,214 --> 00:34:33,949
back on the street, earn
the enmity of the D.A.'s office
755
00:34:34,081 --> 00:34:38,738
by forcing them to reopen every
case where Julia's evidence
756
00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:40,565
put someone away?
757
00:34:43,003 --> 00:34:44,488
Why?
758
00:34:46,339 --> 00:34:47,878
What are you thinking?
759
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:49,980
Taylor, how long
do you think it'd take
760
00:34:50,042 --> 00:34:52,464
to get a list
of Ryan Vance's other clients?
761
00:34:52,574 --> 00:34:55,238
The other clients that are
currently incarcerated?
762
00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:57,940
I'm kind of
in the middle of something...
763
00:34:58,003 --> 00:35:00,347
I don't care.
I want that list.
764
00:35:00,691 --> 00:35:01,902
With Your Honor's approval,
765
00:35:01,965 --> 00:35:05,558
we'd like to call the person
sitting in the third row,
766
00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:08,996
John Malford's attorney
Ryan Vance, to the stand.
767
00:35:09,088 --> 00:35:11,214
Has the defense
subpoenaed Mr. Vance?
768
00:35:11,355 --> 00:35:12,519
We don't typically allow
769
00:35:12,636 --> 00:35:14,667
those seated in the gallery
to testify.
770
00:35:14,776 --> 00:35:16,613
Yes, we're aware of that,
Your Honor.
771
00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:18,761
But we're hoping
that the court will see fit
772
00:35:18,832 --> 00:35:20,844
- to grant us this approval.
- Your Honor,
773
00:35:21,214 --> 00:35:23,346
I'm sorry, I... this is the first
I'm hearing of this.
774
00:35:23,355 --> 00:35:24,385
Mr. Vance's
775
00:35:24,448 --> 00:35:26,363
petition
for the independent analysis
776
00:35:26,456 --> 00:35:28,183
of the Malford
evidence
777
00:35:28,265 --> 00:35:30,105
initiated this whole trial.
778
00:35:30,581 --> 00:35:32,722
I'd merely like him to speak
779
00:35:32,785 --> 00:35:36,050
to the history of how
that new analysis came to be.
780
00:35:37,496 --> 00:35:39,996
All right. I'll allow it.
781
00:35:40,386 --> 00:35:42,761
So Mr. Vance,
when you requested
782
00:35:42,824 --> 00:35:45,542
an independent examination
of the evidence
783
00:35:45,628 --> 00:35:49,261
in the John Malford case,
did you know a negative match
784
00:35:49,339 --> 00:35:53,035
would call into question
the professional conduct
785
00:35:53,098 --> 00:35:55,979
and scientific expertise
of my client,
786
00:35:56,042 --> 00:35:57,667
Dr. Julia Martin?
787
00:35:57,947 --> 00:35:59,557
That would be
a natural consequence.
788
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:01,951
She did perform
the original analysis.
789
00:36:07,027 --> 00:36:08,372
Isn't it true
790
00:36:08,574 --> 00:36:12,019
that other cases will be
reexamined as a result
791
00:36:12,113 --> 00:36:14,280
of Dr. Martin's prosecution?
792
00:36:14,378 --> 00:36:19,136
Countless other criminals,
murderers, rapists and thieves
793
00:36:19,222 --> 00:36:22,081
are going to file for dismissal
of their sentences.
794
00:36:22,144 --> 00:36:23,799
As well they should be,
yes.
795
00:36:25,074 --> 00:36:29,620
Ah. I-Isn't it also true
that you are the sole owner
796
00:36:29,683 --> 00:36:34,394
of Barnaby Bank
account number 00403010?
797
00:36:34,512 --> 00:36:37,261
I don't know, I...
It very well could be.
798
00:36:37,324 --> 00:36:38,972
I don't have
my account number memorized.
799
00:36:39,035 --> 00:36:42,699
I do bank at Barnaby,
so yes, I suppose.
800
00:36:42,845 --> 00:36:48,183
A-And isn't it also true that
you withdrew $60,000 in cash
801
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:50,253
on September 21st
from this account?
802
00:36:50,339 --> 00:36:52,354
Again, it's months ago.
803
00:36:52,417 --> 00:36:54,314
I don't have
every transaction memorized,
804
00:36:54,377 --> 00:36:56,657
so yes, it's possible,
it sounds possible.
805
00:36:56,739 --> 00:36:59,035
If you say so.
806
00:36:59,471 --> 00:37:01,517
Well, it's not me saying it.
807
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:03,278
Your Honor,
808
00:37:03,628 --> 00:37:06,354
these are Mr. Vance's
bank records
809
00:37:06,417 --> 00:37:07,871
for the month of September.
810
00:37:09,441 --> 00:37:12,081
I'd ask that you mark them
811
00:37:12,196 --> 00:37:14,550
as defense exhibit
number 14.
812
00:37:14,613 --> 00:37:16,103
So marked.
813
00:37:16,373 --> 00:37:20,768
And lastly,
do you know a Skylar Brown?
814
00:37:21,722 --> 00:37:23,037
Uh...
815
00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:25,831
Uh, name rings a bell.
I-I can't be certain, though.
816
00:37:26,056 --> 00:37:28,620
Well, she's an employee
of the medical examiner's office
817
00:37:28,691 --> 00:37:32,198
with full access
to all evidence storage.
818
00:37:32,476 --> 00:37:35,348
Including DNA samples. Objection,
Your Honor. Relevance?
819
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:37,624
I'm moments away,
Your Honor, I promise.
820
00:37:37,687 --> 00:37:40,030
I certainly hope so.
Overruled.
821
00:37:40,187 --> 00:37:41,229
Isn't it strange
822
00:37:41,311 --> 00:37:45,059
that just two days after
you made your withdrawal,
823
00:37:45,296 --> 00:37:47,708
Skylar Brown paid off
all of her credit cards,
824
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:50,673
her delinquent loans?
825
00:37:50,755 --> 00:37:53,210
All of her
outstanding debts?
826
00:37:53,402 --> 00:37:58,569
Following a deposit
of exactly $60,000 in cash
827
00:37:58,687 --> 00:38:00,116
into her
checking account?
828
00:38:00,329 --> 00:38:04,171
I wouldn't say strange.
I might say coincidental.
829
00:38:04,393 --> 00:38:05,647
Ah.
830
00:38:07,272 --> 00:38:08,642
How old were you
when your brother
831
00:38:08,724 --> 00:38:10,351
was convicted of murder?
832
00:38:13,702 --> 00:38:15,432
I really don't think
that has anything to do
833
00:38:15,514 --> 00:38:16,655
with the business at hand.
834
00:38:17,081 --> 00:38:21,077
I-Isn't your brother Trevor
one of your clients?
835
00:38:22,296 --> 00:38:26,878
And wasn't the evidence in his
case also assessed by my client,
836
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,663
Dr. Julia Martin?
837
00:38:29,562 --> 00:38:31,888
And if Dr. Martin
is found guilty,
838
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:34,755
isn't Trevor's conviction
likely to be overturned,
839
00:38:34,837 --> 00:38:36,608
just like John Malford's?
840
00:38:37,304 --> 00:38:38,851
And isn't that
why you paid
841
00:38:38,944 --> 00:38:42,827
Skylar Brown $60,000,
842
00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:44,804
to replace the hair
that was used
843
00:38:44,891 --> 00:38:47,601
to convict your client,
John Malford?
844
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:53,692
Mr. Vance,
845
00:38:53,774 --> 00:38:55,776
do you need
the question repeated?
846
00:38:57,620 --> 00:38:59,351
Oh, that's all right,
Your Honor.
847
00:39:00,018 --> 00:39:02,202
I think the jury already has
their answer.
848
00:39:03,127 --> 00:39:04,647
No further questions.
849
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,132
Is the prosecution prepared
to cross-examine the witness?
850
00:39:16,803 --> 00:39:19,110
Actually, no.
851
00:39:20,502 --> 00:39:24,158
But we are prepared,
based on Ryan Vance's testimony
852
00:39:24,655 --> 00:39:27,429
and the evidence presented
by Mr. Colón,
853
00:39:27,891 --> 00:39:29,197
to withdraw our charges
854
00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:30,577
against Dr. Martin...
855
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:34,835
And offer our apologies.
856
00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:47,776
- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
857
00:40:07,315 --> 00:40:11,245
Oh, Dr. Martin, it's 2:00 in the
morning, and I heard a noise.
858
00:40:11,995 --> 00:40:14,440
No one else is here, you know,
and I was just about to leave.
859
00:40:14,503 --> 00:40:16,495
You gonna be okay?
860
00:40:17,463 --> 00:40:19,378
I'm going to be perfect.
861
00:41:17,774 --> 00:41:20,516
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