1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:01,315 Five years ago I was... 2 00:00:01,355 --> 00:00:04,704 convicted of a dreadful crime that I did not commit. 3 00:00:04,744 --> 00:00:07,605 Don't touch me! The whole town's going to know! 4 00:00:07,645 --> 00:00:09,245 You're saying that there's no way... 5 00:00:09,285 --> 00:00:11,794 ..that Matthew Taylor could have been his biological son. 6 00:00:14,155 --> 00:00:17,754 GLASS SMASHING 'You spread lies which grew,' 7 00:00:17,794 --> 00:00:20,725 and ultimately landed Sally Wright in the dock 8 00:00:20,765 --> 00:00:22,245 and you in the witness box. 9 00:00:22,285 --> 00:00:24,245 They were together. I still believe that. 10 00:00:24,285 --> 00:00:26,115 You got the job. 11 00:00:26,155 --> 00:00:29,165 I let them wear me down, I let them convince me. 12 00:00:29,205 --> 00:00:31,954 But wasn't our fault. We never asked for any of this. 13 00:00:31,994 --> 00:00:34,555 You seem very concerned about her all of a sudden. 14 00:00:34,595 --> 00:00:36,715 But what about us? What about your own step daughter? 15 00:00:37,794 --> 00:00:39,954 Don't throw away the past. 16 00:00:39,994 --> 00:00:43,115 I was with a probationer, a lad called Aaron Holmes. 17 00:00:43,155 --> 00:00:44,485 And he'll confirm that? 18 00:00:45,794 --> 00:00:48,994 He's not yours. He never was. 19 00:00:50,355 --> 00:00:53,634 You come near Sam or my family again, 20 00:00:53,674 --> 00:00:55,565 I will destroy you! 21 00:01:14,715 --> 00:01:18,084 {\an8}A few weeks ago, we had a bust-up over a bill. 22 00:01:18,124 --> 00:01:21,634 {\an8}He's come in tonight, I've lost my temper... 23 00:01:21,674 --> 00:01:23,595 {\an8}we've had a bit of a ding-dong, that's it, really. 24 00:01:24,715 --> 00:01:26,345 {\an8}So we have two other witnesses 25 00:01:26,385 --> 00:01:28,595 {\an8}who say it was a completely unprovoked attack by him. 26 00:01:28,635 --> 00:01:30,555 {\an8}Well, obviously, they didn't see the whole thing 27 00:01:30,595 --> 00:01:32,884 {\an8}because that's not what happened. 28 00:01:32,924 --> 00:01:35,635 {\an8}Look, like I said, I'm happy to leave it there. 29 00:01:41,715 --> 00:01:44,445 {\an8}So, are you going to tell him? 30 00:01:44,485 --> 00:01:46,315 {\an8}Sam? 31 00:01:46,355 --> 00:01:48,395 {\an8}Cos this is scary, Sal. 32 00:01:48,435 --> 00:01:50,275 {\an8}Doesn't matter if the back door was unlocked, 33 00:01:50,315 --> 00:01:52,884 {\an8}to walk in to someone else's house and attack them... 34 00:01:52,924 --> 00:01:55,035 {\an8}Right, yeah... So you either tell him, 35 00:01:55,075 --> 00:01:56,704 {\an8}and get her to back the fuck off, 36 00:01:56,744 --> 00:01:59,235 or we go to the police. 37 00:02:01,565 --> 00:02:03,884 OK. 38 00:02:03,924 --> 00:02:06,754 Are you saying he hasn't been back at all in the last few hours? 39 00:02:06,794 --> 00:02:08,634 No. 40 00:02:08,674 --> 00:02:11,674 So, any idea why he would have done this? 41 00:02:13,515 --> 00:02:15,675 Mrs Taylor? No. 42 00:02:15,715 --> 00:02:17,725 {\an8}No idea why he walks out of your house, 43 00:02:17,765 --> 00:02:19,445 {\an8}just a few hours after we've interviewed him 44 00:02:19,485 --> 00:02:20,954 {\an8}about Matthew's paternity, 45 00:02:20,994 --> 00:02:23,565 and seeks out and assaults a local publican? 46 00:02:26,845 --> 00:02:28,475 No. 47 00:02:28,515 --> 00:02:30,435 'Hi, this is Sam Wright. Please leave a message.' 48 00:02:31,744 --> 00:02:34,245 Hey, Sam, it's me. 49 00:02:34,285 --> 00:02:36,674 Can we meet? 50 00:02:41,035 --> 00:02:43,725 You've done your duty as a mate. 51 00:02:43,765 --> 00:02:44,744 We both have. 52 00:02:45,845 --> 00:02:48,155 She needs to go. 53 00:02:49,435 --> 00:02:51,355 Today. 54 00:02:52,924 --> 00:02:55,555 OK. I am off. 55 00:02:55,595 --> 00:02:57,345 Have a good one. 56 00:02:57,385 --> 00:02:59,165 You too. And, Beth? 57 00:02:59,205 --> 00:03:01,315 Try and have a normal day today, please. 58 00:03:05,124 --> 00:03:08,973 Er... Yeah, Mum, I'd love to have normal day. 59 00:03:09,013 --> 00:03:12,143 It's hard when you have the amount of shit in your head that I do. 60 00:03:12,183 --> 00:03:14,493 Most of it put there by you! 61 00:03:16,463 --> 00:03:18,823 DOOR OPENS AND SLAMS SHUT 62 00:03:22,363 --> 00:03:24,653 Hi. Oh, hi. 63 00:03:24,693 --> 00:03:26,573 Oh. 64 00:03:27,693 --> 00:03:29,823 Yeah. Well, erm... 65 00:03:31,363 --> 00:03:34,062 It's wooden floors so... 66 00:03:34,102 --> 00:03:35,812 Oh, Sal, I'm so sorry. It's OK. 67 00:03:35,852 --> 00:03:37,533 I mean, you don't have to go today. 68 00:03:37,573 --> 00:03:40,263 Jen, honestly, it's fine. 69 00:03:43,463 --> 00:03:45,323 Yeah, all very odd. 70 00:03:45,363 --> 00:03:47,093 My guess is it was about what we think it was. 71 00:03:47,133 --> 00:03:49,013 What, that Gary Walker is Matthew's father? 72 00:03:49,053 --> 00:03:51,612 And that he's never told his missus. 73 00:03:51,652 --> 00:03:54,293 Which obviously offers up some interesting possible motives 74 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:56,932 for Walker too. Cos a lad turning up on the doorstep 75 00:03:56,972 --> 00:03:59,453 of your marital home one day and saying he's your long lost son, 76 00:03:59,493 --> 00:04:01,852 it's not exactly Davina McCall territory, is it? 77 00:04:02,972 --> 00:04:04,732 Has he got any form? First thing I checked, 78 00:04:04,772 --> 00:04:06,423 for a DNA match against Matty primarily, 79 00:04:06,463 --> 00:04:08,732 but no, sorry, nothing on PNC. 80 00:04:08,772 --> 00:04:11,173 OK, well, pull him in anyway. 81 00:04:11,213 --> 00:04:13,573 If you're right and he never told his missus, we can use that. 82 00:04:14,693 --> 00:04:18,573 Right, the gifts and presents found in Matthew's bedroom. 83 00:04:18,613 --> 00:04:21,373 These were all originally ascribed to Sally Wright. 84 00:04:21,413 --> 00:04:23,732 She always said she bought him the books but nothing else, 85 00:04:23,772 --> 00:04:25,503 so who was the rest of the stuff from? 86 00:04:25,543 --> 00:04:27,732 Obviously, a trawl was done in the first investigation 87 00:04:27,772 --> 00:04:30,573 to see if the item's purchaser could be identified, 88 00:04:30,613 --> 00:04:32,783 but give it another sweep, Mia, 89 00:04:32,823 --> 00:04:34,453 see what was missed. Guv. 90 00:04:34,493 --> 00:04:37,013 Er, Sam Wright's alibi, where are we on that? 91 00:04:37,053 --> 00:04:40,732 So, too long ago for any CCTV of his car being where he says it was, 92 00:04:40,772 --> 00:04:42,423 which was heading to see Aaron Holmes, 93 00:04:42,463 --> 00:04:45,682 and unfortunately, there's no phone mast records either. 94 00:04:45,722 --> 00:04:47,503 So it's going to be down to Holmes confirming 95 00:04:47,543 --> 00:04:49,293 he was definitely with him. Basically, yeah, 96 00:04:49,333 --> 00:04:51,612 I'm trying to arrange a time to see Aaron later this week. 97 00:04:51,652 --> 00:04:53,323 Good stuff. 98 00:04:53,363 --> 00:04:56,573 Lastly, John Taylor is still AWOL. 99 00:04:56,613 --> 00:04:58,493 I want him found, please. 100 00:05:04,902 --> 00:05:07,783 Oh, my God, Sal. That is awful. 101 00:05:07,823 --> 00:05:11,093 Yeah, and so they basically asked me to leave because of her. 102 00:05:11,133 --> 00:05:14,533 So can you speak to her? Tell her to calm down, 103 00:05:14,573 --> 00:05:18,253 reassure her that I'm not back here to "steal her man"? 104 00:05:18,293 --> 00:05:20,973 For what it's worth, and this is absolutely not 105 00:05:21,013 --> 00:05:23,573 any kind of an excuse, but... 106 00:05:23,613 --> 00:05:25,463 she is under a lot of pressure at the moment. 107 00:05:27,573 --> 00:05:30,173 I mean, Beth's not an easy child, never has been, 108 00:05:30,213 --> 00:05:33,932 and things have seriously... flared up again the last few months. 109 00:05:33,972 --> 00:05:35,823 This re-trial... 110 00:05:37,693 --> 00:05:40,503 ..seems to have really affected her and just, erm, 111 00:05:40,543 --> 00:05:45,503 well, it's caused Karen a huge amount of worry and... 112 00:05:45,543 --> 00:05:49,293 As I say, I'm not excusing her behaviour at all, 113 00:05:49,333 --> 00:05:52,363 I'm... I'm just saying, it's very out of character. 114 00:05:53,463 --> 00:05:54,852 Sure. 115 00:05:55,933 --> 00:05:58,972 Just so you know, actually, you might want to tell her this. 116 00:06:00,102 --> 00:06:02,253 Jen and Alf wanted to call the police. 117 00:06:02,293 --> 00:06:04,013 And I persuaded them not to. 118 00:06:05,543 --> 00:06:08,253 Right. Yeah. Wow. 119 00:06:08,293 --> 00:06:12,013 Well, on her behalf, thank you. 120 00:06:12,053 --> 00:06:15,013 PHONE CHIMES Oh, sorry. 121 00:06:19,823 --> 00:06:22,053 Er... I've got to go. 122 00:06:23,972 --> 00:06:26,102 Right. 123 00:06:32,902 --> 00:06:36,653 Is there anything I can do, Sal? Oh, don't worry about me, 124 00:06:36,693 --> 00:06:38,893 I've got unlimited hot water between six and eight. 125 00:06:38,933 --> 00:06:40,463 I'm serious. 126 00:06:42,463 --> 00:06:45,373 Yeah, well, what do you think, Sam? 127 00:06:45,413 --> 00:06:48,093 Turn back time so it's me you're coming back to, 128 00:06:48,133 --> 00:06:50,253 to our lovely family home? 129 00:07:08,253 --> 00:07:10,413 I'm all right. 130 00:07:28,933 --> 00:07:30,902 SHE SOBS 131 00:07:45,772 --> 00:07:47,902 They said you were like a mad man. 132 00:07:49,133 --> 00:07:52,293 Broke a bottle, had to be stopped from stabbing him wi' it. 133 00:07:54,383 --> 00:07:58,893 You know, even... even when you were at your most troubled, John, 134 00:07:58,933 --> 00:08:01,902 I stayed with you, because I thought that deep down, you were a good man. 135 00:08:03,852 --> 00:08:05,543 Decent, loving. 136 00:08:06,902 --> 00:08:08,333 Kind. 137 00:08:10,493 --> 00:08:12,613 Well, maybe I never really knew you. 138 00:08:16,383 --> 00:08:19,173 So, let me tell you where we are, Gary. 139 00:08:19,213 --> 00:08:23,143 We think that John Taylor's assault on you 140 00:08:23,183 --> 00:08:27,013 was almost certainly connected to the fact that Matthew Taylor... 141 00:08:27,053 --> 00:08:29,093 was your son. 142 00:08:29,133 --> 00:08:31,893 HE SCOFFS No, that's... 143 00:08:31,933 --> 00:08:33,703 Well, I... 144 00:08:33,743 --> 00:08:35,503 I don't know where you've got that from, 145 00:08:35,543 --> 00:08:37,652 but that's not true. No-one... 146 00:08:38,573 --> 00:08:39,933 ..not your wife... 147 00:08:42,102 --> 00:08:43,573 ..not your kids, 148 00:08:43,613 --> 00:08:45,932 need know what we've discussed here today, 149 00:08:45,972 --> 00:08:47,902 as long as we feel you're being straight with us. 150 00:08:48,933 --> 00:08:51,053 So I'm going to ask you again. 151 00:08:52,743 --> 00:08:55,183 Was Matthew Taylor your son? 152 00:08:57,413 --> 00:08:59,143 No, he wasn't. 153 00:08:59,183 --> 00:09:01,783 This is a murder investigation, Gary. 154 00:09:01,823 --> 00:09:04,453 Which means if he was your son, it's pertinent to our inquiry 155 00:09:04,493 --> 00:09:07,493 and that means we'll do everything in our power to prove that. 156 00:09:09,493 --> 00:09:12,743 We will pull... your house apart. 157 00:09:15,053 --> 00:09:17,253 We will pull your life apart, 158 00:09:17,293 --> 00:09:20,972 and every single person in this town will end up knowing why. 159 00:09:22,972 --> 00:09:24,862 But if you cooperate, we will do our best 160 00:09:24,902 --> 00:09:26,852 to keep it contained. 161 00:09:30,363 --> 00:09:32,363 Was he your son? 162 00:09:35,852 --> 00:09:37,772 Yeah. 163 00:09:40,363 --> 00:09:42,573 Thank you. 164 00:09:47,183 --> 00:09:49,653 Ow! 165 00:09:49,693 --> 00:09:51,693 Don't say anything, OK? 166 00:09:56,652 --> 00:09:58,653 What was that all about? 167 00:09:58,693 --> 00:10:00,862 Nothing. Was that Bethany Moss? 168 00:10:00,902 --> 00:10:04,062 I actually only found out a few months before Matty died. 169 00:10:04,102 --> 00:10:06,503 And how did you find out? 170 00:10:06,543 --> 00:10:09,503 Maria told me. Just came in the pub one day. 171 00:10:09,543 --> 00:10:12,653 Sorry, just going back, the original relationship with her, 172 00:10:12,693 --> 00:10:14,693 that was a serious thing, or...? 173 00:10:16,573 --> 00:10:19,062 A few weeks. 174 00:10:19,102 --> 00:10:20,703 A month at the most. 175 00:10:20,743 --> 00:10:22,902 And you were both married at that time? 176 00:10:24,902 --> 00:10:27,053 Her husband was away a lot, he was in the army. 177 00:10:29,573 --> 00:10:32,013 We had two little'uns 178 00:10:32,053 --> 00:10:34,732 so my missus would often go and stay at her mum's. 179 00:10:34,772 --> 00:10:36,772 It was the only time I ever... 180 00:10:38,613 --> 00:10:42,503 It's not who I am. OK, so scroll forward 16 years 181 00:10:42,543 --> 00:10:44,423 and Maria walks in to your pub and...? 182 00:10:44,463 --> 00:10:49,102 Apparently, John had found out and, God knows why, told the boy. 183 00:10:50,902 --> 00:10:52,852 So she felt that she had to tell me. 184 00:10:56,053 --> 00:10:59,653 And I was, erm... in shock. 185 00:10:59,693 --> 00:11:01,862 Obviously, I wanted to be decent about it all, 186 00:11:01,902 --> 00:11:04,703 to do the right thing by the boy, whatever that was, 187 00:11:04,743 --> 00:11:07,093 but I was also happily married. 188 00:11:07,133 --> 00:11:10,403 I knew that if I told her the truth, it would have messed all that up. 189 00:11:10,443 --> 00:11:11,993 And what happened then? 190 00:11:12,033 --> 00:11:14,833 Then Matty came by one night, just as I was locking up. 191 00:11:16,343 --> 00:11:20,183 And thank God Alison was away on a university trip with our eldest 192 00:11:20,223 --> 00:11:23,903 but... it was... awful. 193 00:11:23,943 --> 00:11:25,822 Why awful? 194 00:11:25,862 --> 00:11:27,782 This was my boy. 195 00:11:29,423 --> 00:11:32,143 And he was so upset and confused and... 196 00:11:36,143 --> 00:11:38,112 Just wanted to wrap my arms around him. 197 00:11:40,473 --> 00:11:42,343 Say sorry. 198 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:46,982 What did he want? I think he was as confused as me. 199 00:11:49,193 --> 00:11:51,663 I mean, his dad had tried to stop him seeing me. 200 00:11:51,703 --> 00:11:54,103 Matthew told you that? Yeah. 201 00:11:54,143 --> 00:11:56,973 For a few weeks, I tried to meet up with him, 202 00:11:57,013 --> 00:11:59,303 to talk to him, help him through it all. 203 00:12:04,013 --> 00:12:06,263 Then it all got too much for me. 204 00:12:08,143 --> 00:12:10,982 Alison started to ask questions cos I kept disappearing. 205 00:12:12,623 --> 00:12:15,732 So I'm ashamed to say I told him that I couldn't see him any more. 206 00:12:17,223 --> 00:12:19,333 And how did he take that? 207 00:12:19,373 --> 00:12:21,193 Better than I thought. 208 00:12:23,423 --> 00:12:25,742 I told him that his real dad was the man that had raised 209 00:12:25,782 --> 00:12:27,473 and loved him for 16 years. 210 00:12:28,553 --> 00:12:30,553 Not me. 211 00:12:31,583 --> 00:12:33,263 OK. 212 00:12:34,303 --> 00:12:36,782 One last question, Gary. 213 00:12:38,473 --> 00:12:41,833 Where were you on the day your son was murdered? 214 00:12:51,402 --> 00:12:53,723 She said you gave her a dead arm. 215 00:12:53,763 --> 00:12:56,973 Well, she was in my way, I asked her to move and she didn't, 216 00:12:57,013 --> 00:12:59,123 so I pushed past her. 217 00:12:59,163 --> 00:13:01,843 So she's lying, then? 218 00:13:01,883 --> 00:13:03,803 It happens. 219 00:13:04,913 --> 00:13:06,612 I had a look at your report card, Beth, 220 00:13:06,652 --> 00:13:09,652 it's not the first incident like this in the last few months, is it? 221 00:13:11,163 --> 00:13:14,123 And yet sitting here now, you don't seem like that sort of girl to me, 222 00:13:14,163 --> 00:13:15,763 not really. 223 00:13:17,733 --> 00:13:20,083 Look, sometimes when we lash out about things, 224 00:13:20,123 --> 00:13:22,553 it's actually because we're upset about something else. 225 00:13:26,803 --> 00:13:29,253 What I'm saying is, I can arrange for you to speak with someone 226 00:13:29,293 --> 00:13:31,483 from pastoral support, if you like. 227 00:13:34,322 --> 00:13:37,362 I'm fine. Really? 228 00:13:37,402 --> 00:13:38,402 Yeah. 229 00:13:39,843 --> 00:13:42,203 We done? 230 00:13:42,243 --> 00:13:43,883 Sure. 231 00:13:50,913 --> 00:13:54,803 How long till he's sober? I think we can write off tonight. 232 00:13:54,843 --> 00:13:57,152 Right, first thing, then. 233 00:13:57,192 --> 00:13:59,563 In the meantime, let's start chasing down Walker's alibi, 234 00:13:59,603 --> 00:14:02,333 and let's get him printed. OK. 235 00:14:02,373 --> 00:14:03,973 'I've Beth in tears upstairs.' 236 00:14:04,013 --> 00:14:05,803 Why? Your ex. 237 00:14:07,013 --> 00:14:10,003 What d'you mean "my ex"? She threatened her at school today, 238 00:14:10,043 --> 00:14:12,402 apparently, with expulsion. What?! 239 00:14:12,442 --> 00:14:15,043 Some kid lied that Beth had tried to hurt her. 240 00:14:17,652 --> 00:14:19,923 And we're sure it couldn't be Beth lying? 241 00:14:19,963 --> 00:14:21,723 Oh, here we go. Listen, I'm just saying... 242 00:14:21,763 --> 00:14:24,253 You're always defending her. Er, she does have a bit of history 243 00:14:24,293 --> 00:14:26,402 on that front. And of course, this is what she wants, 244 00:14:26,442 --> 00:14:27,923 you and I at each other's throats. 245 00:14:27,963 --> 00:14:29,482 What does that mean? 246 00:14:29,522 --> 00:14:31,443 She wants to break up our family, Sam, 247 00:14:31,483 --> 00:14:34,003 so she can get you back, she's obsessed with us. 248 00:14:34,043 --> 00:14:37,043 Says the woman who broke into her house and attacked her. 249 00:14:38,373 --> 00:14:40,693 Well, that was stupid... It was more than fucking stupid, 250 00:14:40,733 --> 00:14:43,693 Karen, it's actually scary. You stood in front of me yesterday 251 00:14:43,733 --> 00:14:45,402 and lied, very convincingly, 252 00:14:45,442 --> 00:14:48,043 about bloody Sal coming to the front door. 253 00:14:54,013 --> 00:14:57,643 Look, look, we shouldn't be rowing. 254 00:14:57,683 --> 00:15:00,553 This is a really difficult situation for both of us. 255 00:15:01,733 --> 00:15:03,923 But we can get through it, Sam, I know we can, 256 00:15:03,963 --> 00:15:07,123 if we just agree to be honest with each other. 257 00:15:08,733 --> 00:15:11,693 Yeah. Yeah, you're right. 258 00:15:11,733 --> 00:15:13,963 No more lies, from either of us. 259 00:15:55,483 --> 00:15:58,163 I'd done two tours in Kosovo. 260 00:15:59,603 --> 00:16:01,522 When I came back from the second... 261 00:16:03,913 --> 00:16:05,913 I wasn't in a good place. 262 00:16:07,123 --> 00:16:09,763 I was drinking too much, 263 00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:12,843 me and Maz were rowing all the time. 264 00:16:12,883 --> 00:16:14,522 So when I left for a third tour... 265 00:16:15,833 --> 00:16:18,683 ..I think she just needed someone to talk to, really. 266 00:16:22,192 --> 00:16:24,522 Cut to 16 years later... 267 00:16:25,733 --> 00:16:27,833 ..I'm at the doc's for a check-up on a cyst. 268 00:16:30,522 --> 00:16:32,243 Yeah... 269 00:16:34,043 --> 00:16:37,203 I learned I've been infertile all my life. 270 00:16:37,243 --> 00:16:39,043 Which wasn't so good... 271 00:16:39,083 --> 00:16:41,482 to find out everything you thought you knew about your family 272 00:16:41,522 --> 00:16:42,923 was a lie. 273 00:16:42,963 --> 00:16:45,123 Anyway... 274 00:16:45,163 --> 00:16:47,083 she said the relationship had been brief. 275 00:16:48,373 --> 00:16:50,513 A few weeks at the most. 276 00:16:50,553 --> 00:16:54,763 She also swore she'd never told Walker that Matty was his, so... 277 00:16:54,803 --> 00:16:57,123 really, if we kept it secret, it was like it never happened. 278 00:16:58,652 --> 00:17:00,763 Which is easier to say than do. 279 00:17:00,803 --> 00:17:02,763 Cos I was angry. 280 00:17:02,803 --> 00:17:06,683 With her, obviously, with Walker, myself... 281 00:17:08,083 --> 00:17:09,913 ..maybe even with Matty. 282 00:17:12,123 --> 00:17:15,333 And it all came at the absolute worst time. 283 00:17:15,373 --> 00:17:17,272 Me and him had started arguing a lot. 284 00:17:19,083 --> 00:17:21,362 He was going through a phase, I suppose, 285 00:17:21,402 --> 00:17:24,763 trying to work out who he was. And then one day... 286 00:17:26,763 --> 00:17:28,763 ..after a particularly nasty row... 287 00:17:32,043 --> 00:17:34,013 ..I told him that he wasn't mine. 288 00:17:36,373 --> 00:17:39,043 Which is without question the worst thing I've ever done. 289 00:18:11,043 --> 00:18:13,563 I mean, the second I said it I... 290 00:18:13,603 --> 00:18:16,123 wished I could've taken it back, but I couldn't. 291 00:18:17,243 --> 00:18:20,013 Did he get angry with you? With both of us. 292 00:18:21,192 --> 00:18:22,873 And how did you respond? 293 00:18:24,402 --> 00:18:26,253 Just... tried to calm him down, I suppose. 294 00:18:26,293 --> 00:18:28,152 I mean... 295 00:18:28,192 --> 00:18:31,203 I apologised repeatedly for telling him but... 296 00:18:31,243 --> 00:18:32,923 I was pissed and in pieces myself, 297 00:18:32,963 --> 00:18:35,253 I wasn't best placed to deal with it all. 298 00:18:35,293 --> 00:18:37,793 Did it ever get physical? No. 299 00:18:37,833 --> 00:18:40,442 Even though, as you said, you were both angry? 300 00:18:42,603 --> 00:18:45,043 Before I said it, I was angry. 301 00:18:45,083 --> 00:18:46,763 After, I was just ashamed. 302 00:18:48,293 --> 00:18:50,293 Over the next few days... 303 00:18:51,322 --> 00:18:53,282 ..things seemed to calm down a bit. 304 00:18:53,322 --> 00:18:55,123 Talked about it all more. 305 00:18:55,163 --> 00:18:57,402 Rationally, all three of us. 306 00:18:59,442 --> 00:19:01,282 And in the end, he said he wanted to meet him. 307 00:19:01,322 --> 00:19:04,402 How did that make you feel? Well, I'd created the situation, 308 00:19:04,442 --> 00:19:06,333 so I wasn't going to stop him doing what he felt 309 00:19:06,373 --> 00:19:08,083 he needed to do at that point. 310 00:19:10,123 --> 00:19:13,893 So why d'you think that Matty might have told Gary Walker 311 00:19:13,933 --> 00:19:15,933 that you did try to stop him going? 312 00:19:16,963 --> 00:19:18,733 He's lying, I never stopped him. 313 00:19:20,442 --> 00:19:23,763 D'you know how Walker reacted? He wasn't interested, apparently. 314 00:19:25,083 --> 00:19:28,563 Saw Matt maybe a couple of times and then basically told him to fuck off. 315 00:19:28,603 --> 00:19:31,362 How did Matty take that? He got pretty cross. 316 00:19:31,402 --> 00:19:33,563 And then told me later that he threatened him. 317 00:19:33,603 --> 00:19:36,553 Threatened him how? Telling his wife who he was. 318 00:19:38,402 --> 00:19:40,293 And you never thought to mention that before? 319 00:19:42,043 --> 00:19:44,483 Well, we all thought we knew who'd done it by then, didn't we? 320 00:19:47,963 --> 00:19:50,482 John Taylor always said he was working at the time of the murder, 321 00:19:50,522 --> 00:19:53,333 and his foreman confirmed that, but, I just... 322 00:19:53,373 --> 00:19:55,083 Double check it, yeah? Yeah, will do. 323 00:19:55,123 --> 00:19:56,843 Oh, boss? Yeah? 324 00:19:56,883 --> 00:19:59,402 A message from Sally Wright to call. OK. 325 00:20:05,293 --> 00:20:07,243 Back in a bit. 326 00:20:23,442 --> 00:20:26,163 So this is dated just four months before Matthew's murder. 327 00:20:27,293 --> 00:20:29,083 And I'm guessing it got missed originally 328 00:20:29,123 --> 00:20:31,123 because it's in Beth's files and not Matty's 329 00:20:31,163 --> 00:20:33,793 and there was no obvious connection between the two, 330 00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:36,083 but, my God, it should have been spotted. 331 00:20:36,123 --> 00:20:39,003 So how old would Beth have been at the time? 332 00:20:39,043 --> 00:20:40,612 14? 333 00:20:40,652 --> 00:20:44,003 Sorry, but are you suggesting that a 14-year-old...? 334 00:20:44,043 --> 00:20:46,203 Oh, look, I'm not suggesting anything, 335 00:20:46,243 --> 00:20:48,652 I just wanted to give you the information. OK. 336 00:20:49,733 --> 00:20:52,043 You will see from the file, Beth Moss had a lot 337 00:20:52,083 --> 00:20:54,793 of pastoral input in the months, years after this. 338 00:20:54,833 --> 00:20:56,963 She's got a lot of behavioural issues. 339 00:20:58,553 --> 00:21:01,163 Some of the notes suggest her mum was a piece of work too. 340 00:21:02,603 --> 00:21:04,723 Karen Moss. 341 00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:06,362 I think it said in the original file 342 00:21:06,402 --> 00:21:08,723 that she was actually Matthew's social worker. 343 00:21:08,763 --> 00:21:10,563 Really? Yeah. 344 00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:12,243 Wow. 345 00:21:13,683 --> 00:21:17,282 OK, er... I'll look into all this, 346 00:21:17,322 --> 00:21:19,123 and I'll try and track down the teacher, 347 00:21:19,163 --> 00:21:20,793 see if he can remember anything. OK. 348 00:21:20,833 --> 00:21:24,362 And thank you for coming over, it make a real difference 349 00:21:24,402 --> 00:21:27,553 having a human connection to the case, I appreciate it. 350 00:21:30,683 --> 00:21:33,373 So... how are you doing? 351 00:21:34,402 --> 00:21:36,373 Hm. 352 00:21:37,603 --> 00:21:39,793 It's a journey. 353 00:21:39,833 --> 00:21:43,723 Well, look, if you ever fancy a cry-off or... 354 00:21:43,763 --> 00:21:46,563 tragedy top trumps, give me a shout, 355 00:21:46,603 --> 00:21:48,763 we could grab a pizza maybe. I mean, 356 00:21:48,803 --> 00:21:51,322 not as a... you know... just as... Thank you. 357 00:21:53,522 --> 00:21:56,253 I probably need to get my head into a slightly better place 358 00:21:56,293 --> 00:21:58,282 to be even half decent company, 359 00:21:58,322 --> 00:22:00,683 but when I feel a bit more sorted, yeah, I'd really like that. 360 00:22:01,913 --> 00:22:03,803 Right, great. Erm... 361 00:22:06,043 --> 00:22:09,433 I'll, er, I'll call you on this. Yeah. 362 00:22:09,473 --> 00:22:11,442 Thanks, Sally. 363 00:22:15,683 --> 00:22:17,963 PHONE VIBRATES 364 00:22:20,163 --> 00:22:22,482 Suzy. 'We've checked Walkers fingerprints 365 00:22:22,522 --> 00:22:24,362 'against the bottle that killed Matty.' 366 00:22:24,402 --> 00:22:26,793 And? We've got a match. 367 00:22:26,833 --> 00:22:28,963 I'll be right there. 368 00:22:32,992 --> 00:22:36,032 I sell Buckworth, I often stack the shelves myself 369 00:22:36,072 --> 00:22:38,032 so if my prints were on the bottle that killed him, 370 00:22:38,072 --> 00:22:40,702 all it means is... is that someone bought it from my pub. 371 00:22:40,742 --> 00:22:42,672 And by "someone" you mean? Anyone! Matthew? 372 00:22:42,712 --> 00:22:44,672 Look, how would I know? I've already said, 373 00:22:44,712 --> 00:22:46,311 I was in London on the day that he died. 374 00:22:46,351 --> 00:22:47,981 Yeah, we're still checking your alibi, 375 00:22:48,021 --> 00:22:50,311 but I want to go back over something you told us yesterday. 376 00:22:50,351 --> 00:22:52,672 When you told Matthew you couldn't see him anymore, 377 00:22:52,712 --> 00:22:54,851 you said he was fine with that? Yes. 378 00:22:54,891 --> 00:22:58,422 I mean, he was upset, of course, but he said that he understood. 379 00:22:58,462 --> 00:22:59,981 So he didn't get angry with you? No. 380 00:23:00,021 --> 00:23:01,742 Didn't threaten you at all? No! 381 00:23:01,782 --> 00:23:03,622 Didn't threaten to tell your wife who he was? 382 00:23:03,662 --> 00:23:06,782 No. We have evidence to suggest that he did. 383 00:23:06,822 --> 00:23:09,252 Well, he didn't. Look, he... He didn't! 384 00:23:10,942 --> 00:23:13,492 Look, I have let the boy down appallingly, 385 00:23:13,532 --> 00:23:16,311 I've had endless sleepless nights wondering if my behaviour 386 00:23:16,351 --> 00:23:18,462 in any way contributed to how his life ended, 387 00:23:18,502 --> 00:23:20,712 but I swear, I didn't kill him! 388 00:23:22,712 --> 00:23:24,542 Yeah, yeah, I can hold, no problem. 389 00:23:24,582 --> 00:23:27,742 And I wondered if I could ask you about a gift card purchase 390 00:23:27,782 --> 00:23:30,542 made in a Keswick shop in 2015. 391 00:23:30,582 --> 00:23:32,382 Yeah, that's right. 392 00:23:32,422 --> 00:23:36,622 So we understand you taught in St Luke's school in Keswick in 2015, 393 00:23:36,662 --> 00:23:38,672 and we just wanted to ask if we could have a brief chat 394 00:23:38,712 --> 00:23:40,382 with you at some point... Hello, there. 395 00:23:40,422 --> 00:23:42,181 Yeah, Mr Walker said he was in London, 396 00:23:42,221 --> 00:23:44,132 in a meeting with your brewery, however, so far, 397 00:23:44,172 --> 00:23:46,342 he's been unable to find any emails confirming that. 398 00:23:46,382 --> 00:23:48,262 So I was just wondering if there was any other way 399 00:23:48,302 --> 00:23:51,612 of confirming his presence there? Any internal mails... 400 00:23:54,062 --> 00:23:57,061 ..or old desk diaries, that kind of thing. 401 00:23:57,101 --> 00:23:59,572 I'm sorry, can I call you back in two minutes? 402 00:23:59,612 --> 00:24:01,742 Right, thanks, bye. 403 00:24:03,351 --> 00:24:06,132 I'm so sorry, it was a genuine mistake, 404 00:24:06,172 --> 00:24:08,672 I had two guys with the surname Taylor. 405 00:24:08,712 --> 00:24:11,992 working on that job. John Taylor, obviously... 406 00:24:13,172 --> 00:24:15,902 ..but also a Thomas Taylor. 407 00:24:15,942 --> 00:24:18,422 And looking back at it, on that specific day, 408 00:24:18,462 --> 00:24:20,942 what I thought then was a J, for John... 409 00:24:22,141 --> 00:24:24,772 I now think... 410 00:24:24,812 --> 00:24:26,662 might be a T. You think? 411 00:24:28,172 --> 00:24:30,742 It is. Right, so... 412 00:24:30,782 --> 00:24:33,672 you can actually provide no definite alibi 413 00:24:33,712 --> 00:24:35,572 for John Taylor on the day of the murder? 414 00:24:35,612 --> 00:24:38,221 Well, when you asked first time round, he wasn't a suspect, so... 415 00:24:39,812 --> 00:24:42,022 I never really double checked. 416 00:24:42,062 --> 00:24:44,492 But what I do know, 417 00:24:44,532 --> 00:24:46,712 is he adored that boy. 418 00:24:48,252 --> 00:24:50,822 And I can't believe for a minute 419 00:24:50,862 --> 00:24:52,971 he would ever have hurt a hair on his head. 420 00:25:06,942 --> 00:25:10,851 Where were you actually? Around town. 421 00:25:10,891 --> 00:25:13,462 After I ran out of money, 422 00:25:13,502 --> 00:25:16,101 wherever I've thought I could scrounge a can. 423 00:25:16,141 --> 00:25:17,942 Were you ever in Clement Park? 424 00:25:19,612 --> 00:25:21,851 Yes. Which we know from the original investigation, 425 00:25:21,891 --> 00:25:23,622 Matty was seen walking through, just an hour 426 00:25:23,662 --> 00:25:25,351 before his estimated time of death. 427 00:25:26,812 --> 00:25:29,062 So did you see him? Yes. 428 00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:33,221 Did you talk to him? 429 00:25:35,141 --> 00:25:36,822 Yes. 430 00:25:36,862 --> 00:25:39,181 Did you row? 431 00:25:39,221 --> 00:25:42,062 Yes. Did you then follow him? 432 00:25:44,662 --> 00:25:47,782 Why don't you just ask me? Did I kill him? 433 00:25:49,101 --> 00:25:50,942 Did you? 434 00:25:52,302 --> 00:25:55,382 Well, it was my defect that meant we couldn't have a child. 435 00:25:56,502 --> 00:25:59,351 My drinking that caused Maria's infidelity. 436 00:26:01,141 --> 00:26:04,422 My weakness that made me tell Matty he wasn't my boy. 437 00:26:06,141 --> 00:26:09,612 Now I don't know how exactly all that led to his death... 438 00:26:10,712 --> 00:26:13,422 ..but I'm pretty sure in some way it did. 439 00:26:13,462 --> 00:26:16,702 So, no, I didn't follow him, 440 00:26:16,742 --> 00:26:19,542 and I never laid a hand on him that day. 441 00:26:19,582 --> 00:26:23,891 But, yeah, I think in some way, with my failings... 442 00:26:25,302 --> 00:26:27,311 ..I did kill him. 443 00:26:27,351 --> 00:26:30,742 So you just describe a bullying incident involving Matty and Beth, 444 00:26:30,782 --> 00:26:32,952 do you remember any more detail, or...? 445 00:26:32,992 --> 00:26:37,851 Er, it was to do with him having stayed at her house once. 446 00:26:37,891 --> 00:26:40,492 Her mum was a duty social worker. Er, this was Karen Moss? 447 00:26:40,532 --> 00:26:44,262 Mm-hm, and she'd had him stay over for a couple of nights 448 00:26:44,302 --> 00:26:46,902 after he'd had a row with his dad. 449 00:26:46,942 --> 00:26:48,772 From what I could glean from him, 450 00:26:48,812 --> 00:26:52,132 he'd then seen Beth talking to some friends at school about it. 451 00:26:52,172 --> 00:26:54,422 OK, and he didn't like that? 452 00:26:54,462 --> 00:26:56,902 I think basically he felt that Beth had seen him 453 00:26:56,942 --> 00:27:00,101 at his most vulnerable, so, no, he didn't like it at all. 454 00:27:00,141 --> 00:27:03,382 And Matty Taylor was not a boy you wanted to cross. 455 00:27:03,422 --> 00:27:06,702 He was whip smart, super articulate, and he could be cruel, 456 00:27:06,742 --> 00:27:08,742 verbally, I mean. 457 00:27:08,782 --> 00:27:10,981 Very cruel. Right. 458 00:27:11,021 --> 00:27:13,742 And did you get the impression this was an isolated incident 459 00:27:13,782 --> 00:27:16,022 or do you think that...? Well, they were both 460 00:27:16,062 --> 00:27:19,022 pretty reluctant to discuss it, particularly her. 461 00:27:19,062 --> 00:27:22,022 But if I had to put money on it, I would say no, 462 00:27:22,062 --> 00:27:23,712 no, it wasn't. 463 00:27:25,812 --> 00:27:28,061 Loads on the school system about Bethany Moss 464 00:27:28,101 --> 00:27:29,851 over the last five years. 465 00:27:29,891 --> 00:27:33,622 Depression issues, anxiety issues, and then I found this. 466 00:27:33,662 --> 00:27:38,022 On the 8th June 2015, just two days before Matty's murder, 467 00:27:38,062 --> 00:27:40,742 she's admitted to St Mary's General, having taken, 468 00:27:40,782 --> 00:27:43,132 an accidental overdose of her mum's codeine. 469 00:27:43,172 --> 00:27:45,342 Accidental? Her mum told the hospital 470 00:27:45,382 --> 00:27:47,622 she'd thought they were over-the-counter herbal pills 471 00:27:47,662 --> 00:27:50,262 she sometimes gave her for stress. And how many did she take? 472 00:27:50,302 --> 00:27:52,462 Six. Who takes six stress pills? 473 00:27:52,502 --> 00:27:55,851 Well, the notes say on previous occasions she'd taken two. 474 00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:58,742 Her mum told the hospital that on this occasion she'd taken four, 475 00:27:58,782 --> 00:28:01,262 then got confused and then taken another two. 476 00:28:01,302 --> 00:28:03,542 MUTTERING Yeah, me neither. 477 00:28:03,582 --> 00:28:05,592 Which got me thinking. 478 00:28:05,632 --> 00:28:08,592 If that was my kid, and I thought Matty Taylor's bullying 479 00:28:08,632 --> 00:28:10,331 was to blame for a suicide attempt... 480 00:28:10,371 --> 00:28:12,922 Particularly when she'd given the lad a bed for a couple of nights 481 00:28:12,962 --> 00:28:15,282 just a few months prior. OK, great work. 482 00:28:15,322 --> 00:28:17,762 OK, I think we need a chat with Mum. Yeah. 483 00:28:20,161 --> 00:28:23,922 And you never heard of any bullying incident involving Matthew Taylor? 484 00:28:23,962 --> 00:28:25,842 No, sorry. 485 00:28:25,882 --> 00:28:28,532 And Bethany would say the same, would she, if we asked her? 486 00:28:28,572 --> 00:28:30,692 Of course. 487 00:28:30,732 --> 00:28:33,121 So... would you tell us, 488 00:28:33,161 --> 00:28:36,001 if you don't mind, about the incident 489 00:28:36,041 --> 00:28:39,042 that led you to taking your daughter to St Mary's General, 490 00:28:39,082 --> 00:28:41,371 two days before Matthew died? 491 00:28:43,802 --> 00:28:48,001 Er, so, I'd been taking codeine for some back pain I'd been having, 492 00:28:48,041 --> 00:28:50,972 and I'd very stupidly put the blister of pills 493 00:28:51,012 --> 00:28:52,692 in the same cupboard as some herbal pills 494 00:28:52,732 --> 00:28:54,962 I sometimes gave Beth for stress. 495 00:28:56,241 --> 00:28:58,512 She'd had a bad day at school, 496 00:28:58,552 --> 00:29:01,402 and before I got home from work, 497 00:29:01,442 --> 00:29:03,792 she'd gone to the cupboard, 498 00:29:03,832 --> 00:29:06,362 got the wrong pills out, and taken a couple. 499 00:29:06,402 --> 00:29:10,602 She was absolutely fine, I just took her to hospital as a precaution. 500 00:29:11,632 --> 00:29:13,322 Right. 501 00:29:14,522 --> 00:29:16,871 According to the hospital notes, 502 00:29:16,911 --> 00:29:19,842 she took six codeine tablets 503 00:29:19,882 --> 00:29:22,161 totalling 180 milligrams. 504 00:29:23,291 --> 00:29:26,331 Which is a potentially fatal dose for a child. 505 00:29:26,371 --> 00:29:27,962 Mm. 506 00:29:31,962 --> 00:29:34,161 We were very lucky. 507 00:29:40,652 --> 00:29:45,762 So the bad day that she'd had, what was that about? 508 00:29:45,802 --> 00:29:48,232 Oh, God, I don't remember. 509 00:29:48,272 --> 00:29:49,692 Really? 510 00:29:49,732 --> 00:29:51,871 Well, she's quite an anxious child so... 511 00:29:51,911 --> 00:29:53,682 So it was nothing to do with Matthew Taylor? 512 00:29:53,722 --> 00:29:56,042 No. He hadn't continued to bully her? 513 00:29:56,082 --> 00:29:59,272 No, she never mentioned anything like that to me. 514 00:30:00,472 --> 00:30:03,121 If a lad had done that to my child, bullied her to the point 515 00:30:03,161 --> 00:30:05,331 of taking an overdose... There wasn't an overdose. 516 00:30:05,371 --> 00:30:06,972 Especially a kid I'd let in to my own home... 517 00:30:07,012 --> 00:30:09,962 It wasn't an overdose. ..I don't know what I might do. 518 00:30:12,272 --> 00:30:14,871 SALLY: I don't know, just something suggesting 519 00:30:14,911 --> 00:30:17,282 that both Karen and Beth are now suspects. 520 00:30:17,322 --> 00:30:19,972 I can't do that, Sally! Why not? 521 00:30:20,012 --> 00:30:22,402 Because I just... I can't just make shit up. 522 00:30:22,442 --> 00:30:24,081 But you're a journalist. 523 00:30:24,121 --> 00:30:26,642 Funny. No, come on, 524 00:30:26,682 --> 00:30:28,842 you saw what the tabloids wrote about me. 525 00:30:28,882 --> 00:30:31,482 Well, exactly, it'd be a bit ironic 526 00:30:31,522 --> 00:30:34,152 if we now started to publish random, wild theories, 527 00:30:34,192 --> 00:30:36,642 particularly about a school kid. Oh, she's 19. 528 00:30:36,682 --> 00:30:38,842 Sal... All I'm asking you to do, Jen, 529 00:30:38,882 --> 00:30:41,562 is put their names out there and see what comes back from your readers, 530 00:30:41,602 --> 00:30:43,282 and that's exactly what you did with me... 531 00:30:43,322 --> 00:30:45,592 Even if I agreed with you, that is not how you do things! 532 00:30:45,632 --> 00:30:47,121 You owe me, Jenny! 533 00:30:47,161 --> 00:30:50,042 You owe me. 534 00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:52,972 In fact, this whole fucking town owes me. 535 00:30:53,012 --> 00:30:56,042 Sal, what you went through, 536 00:30:56,082 --> 00:30:58,432 that anger you must feel, every day, for what you lost... 537 00:30:58,472 --> 00:31:00,762 I didn't lose any thing! 538 00:31:00,802 --> 00:31:04,042 I lost nothing! 539 00:31:04,082 --> 00:31:08,282 It was taken away from me, it was fucking... 540 00:31:08,322 --> 00:31:10,482 stolen from me! 541 00:31:10,522 --> 00:31:12,871 I completely get it, OK. But this? 542 00:31:12,911 --> 00:31:14,891 This is not the way forward. 543 00:31:16,302 --> 00:31:19,192 This is not going to make you feel any better. 544 00:31:21,082 --> 00:31:23,552 SOBBING: Then what is then, Jen?! 545 00:31:29,422 --> 00:31:31,132 I mean it. 546 00:31:31,172 --> 00:31:33,302 You need to be honest with me, Karen, you really do. 547 00:31:36,582 --> 00:31:40,061 He had been so horrible to her. 548 00:31:40,101 --> 00:31:42,342 For nearly four months, she told me afterwards. 549 00:31:42,382 --> 00:31:44,101 And for no reason. 550 00:31:44,141 --> 00:31:46,412 He thought she'd talked about the nights he'd spent here 551 00:31:46,452 --> 00:31:47,952 but she hadn't. 552 00:31:47,992 --> 00:31:50,542 And it didn't matter how many times she told him that she hadn't, 553 00:31:50,582 --> 00:31:53,822 he still went at her. Every day. 554 00:31:53,862 --> 00:31:58,851 For 16 weeks solid, he made her life a complete misery. 555 00:31:58,891 --> 00:32:00,851 And I came home late from work one day 556 00:32:00,891 --> 00:32:03,582 and found her lying on her bed, half unconscious. 557 00:32:08,782 --> 00:32:11,981 And at the hospital, she told me... 558 00:32:12,021 --> 00:32:14,302 that it was an accident, but I knew it wasn't. 559 00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:20,101 And then the next morning, she finally told me... 560 00:32:20,141 --> 00:32:22,532 what Matty had be subjecting her to. 561 00:32:24,582 --> 00:32:28,181 The next day, I left her with my mum 562 00:32:28,221 --> 00:32:32,902 and I went to speak to him at his house. 563 00:32:32,942 --> 00:32:35,062 But he wasn't there, it was just his mum. 564 00:32:36,172 --> 00:32:38,492 And you spoke to her? I did, but I... 565 00:32:38,532 --> 00:32:42,702 I said it was work related, I just wanted a general catch-up. 566 00:32:43,702 --> 00:32:44,702 And then I left. 567 00:32:46,101 --> 00:32:48,221 And that's all that happened, I promise. 568 00:32:54,382 --> 00:32:56,592 I don't believe you. 569 00:32:56,632 --> 00:32:58,502 I promise. 570 00:33:03,891 --> 00:33:07,061 You need to tell me the truth, Karen, now, 571 00:33:07,101 --> 00:33:09,212 or I swear I'm walking out that fucking door 572 00:33:09,252 --> 00:33:11,422 and you'll never see me again. 573 00:33:15,742 --> 00:33:18,702 On my way back from his mum's, I saw him in the street. 574 00:33:18,742 --> 00:33:21,942 And? And I wanted to walk past. 575 00:33:23,021 --> 00:33:26,311 Because by this point, I'd realised that what I was doing was wrong, 576 00:33:26,351 --> 00:33:28,542 and it could cost me my job, 577 00:33:28,582 --> 00:33:30,981 so I went to walk past but then he saw me, 578 00:33:31,021 --> 00:33:34,542 and it was him who stopped, and it was him who started shouting at me, 579 00:33:34,582 --> 00:33:36,342 drunk, and saying stuff about Beth, 580 00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:38,772 laughing about what a "fat, ugly pig" she was 581 00:33:38,812 --> 00:33:41,132 and something inside me just snapped 582 00:33:41,172 --> 00:33:43,862 and I, I... I lost it a bit, I admit that. 583 00:33:48,742 --> 00:33:52,622 And so I crossed over and I shouted right back at him. 584 00:33:52,662 --> 00:33:54,822 I might even have grabbed him, I can't remember, 585 00:33:54,862 --> 00:33:58,262 it was all a bit of a blur, and... but, but, then I realised 586 00:33:58,302 --> 00:34:01,932 that I was being very stupid, 587 00:34:01,972 --> 00:34:06,222 and I turned and walked away. And that really is it. 588 00:34:06,262 --> 00:34:08,752 And you didn't follow him? Absolutely not. 589 00:34:14,231 --> 00:34:15,962 OK. 590 00:34:16,002 --> 00:34:17,712 You have to tell the police, Karen. 591 00:34:19,031 --> 00:34:21,542 What? You have to tell the police. 592 00:34:23,182 --> 00:34:26,552 I'm not telling the police. If you grabbed hold of him, 593 00:34:26,592 --> 00:34:29,272 if you had any contact with him at all, 594 00:34:29,312 --> 00:34:32,222 they might have found some stuff on his body 595 00:34:32,262 --> 00:34:35,512 that can connect you to him. Hairs, fibres, whatever. 596 00:34:38,512 --> 00:34:42,901 So... you need to tell them what actually happened. 597 00:34:44,361 --> 00:34:47,352 Because if they find all this out for themselves, 598 00:34:47,392 --> 00:34:49,792 I mean, they could come to all the wrong conclusions. 599 00:34:50,952 --> 00:34:52,151 No. 600 00:34:53,312 --> 00:34:55,432 You have to tell them, love, you have to. 601 00:35:03,462 --> 00:35:05,132 There you go. Lovely, thanks. 602 00:35:05,172 --> 00:35:07,172 Have a good day. 603 00:35:07,212 --> 00:35:09,332 PHONE RINGING 604 00:35:16,642 --> 00:35:18,812 Hello. 'Hey, Sally. 605 00:35:18,852 --> 00:35:20,771 'Just wondering why you didn't mention...' 606 00:35:20,811 --> 00:35:22,931 Bethany's mother is with your ex-husband? 607 00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:28,641 Because I didn't think that was relevant. 'Right.' 608 00:35:28,681 --> 00:35:30,841 'But now you mention it, I'm sorry, 609 00:35:30,881 --> 00:35:33,091 'yes, maybe I should have.' OK. 610 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,921 'Maybe, let me be the judge of what is or isn't relevant.' 611 00:35:36,961 --> 00:35:39,171 Bye, Sally. 612 00:35:53,570 --> 00:35:55,570 Hey. 613 00:36:13,811 --> 00:36:16,971 It was never meant to end like it did. 614 00:36:17,011 --> 00:36:19,421 And how was it meant to end? 615 00:36:22,570 --> 00:36:25,041 Was there really nothing going on between you, ever? 616 00:36:26,731 --> 00:36:29,011 No, Anna, never. 617 00:36:30,241 --> 00:36:32,480 Never. 618 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,681 The thing is, I did genuinely believe there was. 619 00:36:38,011 --> 00:36:41,011 That's... that's the only reason I made the kiss up. 620 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,670 To get you sacked so it would stop. 621 00:36:50,511 --> 00:36:52,311 And then he was killed. 622 00:36:53,391 --> 00:36:55,340 And everything suddenly moved so fast. 623 00:36:57,701 --> 00:36:59,441 So, I am... 624 00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:04,630 ..sorry. 625 00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:07,441 But least one of us is free now. 626 00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:23,031 PHONE VIBRATING 627 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:38,021 Hiya, Dave, everything OK? Yeah, sorry to call so late, boss. 628 00:37:38,061 --> 00:37:41,500 But Mills Brewery have forwarded four emails 629 00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:43,791 confirming Gary Walker arrived for a meeting 630 00:37:43,831 --> 00:37:47,401 in their Hammersmith office at 4pm on the day of the murder. 631 00:37:47,441 --> 00:37:49,271 Now, the meeting lasts an hour, 632 00:37:49,311 --> 00:37:51,581 and it's approximately five hours door to door 633 00:37:51,621 --> 00:37:53,021 back to the murder scene. 634 00:37:53,061 --> 00:37:55,191 Right, so he's completely in the clear. 635 00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:57,401 Yeah, looks like it. 636 00:37:57,441 --> 00:37:59,351 All right, thanks for letting me know, mate. 637 00:37:59,391 --> 00:38:01,261 All right, bye. 638 00:39:16,981 --> 00:39:19,221 Right, so what I don't understand 639 00:39:19,261 --> 00:39:21,430 is how can a kid with those kind of issues 640 00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:23,630 not appear on the radar of social services? 641 00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:25,991 Or at the very least an ed pysch department? 642 00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:29,191 I don't know, but Karen Moss would have had access 643 00:39:29,231 --> 00:39:31,550 to her daughter's records in her professional capacity. 644 00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:33,500 What, you think she could have deleted them? 645 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:37,471 Why not, if they suggested some sort of trail back to Matty Taylor? 646 00:39:37,511 --> 00:39:39,471 Er, sorry to interrupt, Boss. 647 00:39:39,511 --> 00:39:42,550 Sam Wright's downstairs, says he needs to speak to you. 648 00:39:42,590 --> 00:39:44,191 Cheers. 649 00:39:44,231 --> 00:39:46,790 Right, see you in a bit. 650 00:39:48,181 --> 00:39:50,991 Hey. Hi, Sam Wright. 651 00:39:51,031 --> 00:39:52,911 DCI Braithwaite. Thanks, Grace. 652 00:39:52,951 --> 00:39:55,081 Do you want to, er... Yeah. 653 00:39:57,391 --> 00:40:00,071 OK, I know... 654 00:40:00,111 --> 00:40:04,261 Unequivocally, I know that my fiancee would never hurt a fly. 655 00:40:05,751 --> 00:40:08,711 But, er... 656 00:40:08,751 --> 00:40:11,300 she's not been entirely honest with you. 657 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:13,141 For very understandable reasons, 658 00:40:13,181 --> 00:40:16,391 she thinks you would put two and two together and make five. 659 00:40:16,431 --> 00:40:18,181 But I think she's wrong to think that. 660 00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:22,790 So after a long discussion with her... 661 00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:26,720 and she's across all of this... 662 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,720 ..I am here to tell you the truth. 663 00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:42,041 So, just to confirm, 664 00:40:42,081 --> 00:40:45,861 as per your original witness statement, Mr Holmes, 665 00:40:45,901 --> 00:40:51,111 approximately 5:35 to 5:50, 666 00:40:51,151 --> 00:40:53,471 Mr Wright was with you in a probation meeting 667 00:40:53,511 --> 00:40:55,751 in your flat in Castleton. Yeah. 668 00:40:59,981 --> 00:41:02,751 Are you double checking everyone or just Sam Wright? 669 00:41:07,621 --> 00:41:10,630 Yeah, well, no, I just wanted to confirm 670 00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:13,111 how many that you were asked to check? 671 00:41:13,151 --> 00:41:15,630 'Four.' Definitely? Four? 672 00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:18,430 'Yeah, yeah, I have the original notes in front of me, 673 00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:21,271 'four cards, all, unfortunately for you guys, 674 00:41:21,311 --> 00:41:24,430 'paid for with cash.' Yeah, no, well, so, listen, 675 00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:26,581 I mean, it looks like it was a bollocks this end 676 00:41:26,621 --> 00:41:29,141 and there were actually five cards, 677 00:41:29,181 --> 00:41:30,861 two were stuck together. 678 00:41:30,901 --> 00:41:34,191 Erm, anyways, so if I... if I give you all five numbers now, 679 00:41:34,231 --> 00:41:36,941 whichever one is not on your list, can you check it out for me, please? 680 00:41:36,981 --> 00:41:40,751 'Yeah, sure.' So, OK, "DF45..." 681 00:41:55,701 --> 00:41:58,151 No. I had no encounter with him. 682 00:41:59,590 --> 00:42:02,391 Right, so, why do you think 683 00:42:02,431 --> 00:42:06,670 your fiancee... told me that you did? 684 00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:17,191 Erm... 685 00:42:17,231 --> 00:42:20,041 I have no idea why he'd say such a thing. 686 00:42:20,081 --> 00:42:22,581 Well, we've also just spoken to Maria Taylor, 687 00:42:22,621 --> 00:42:25,141 and she has now confirmed she remembers you knocking on her door 688 00:42:25,181 --> 00:42:27,581 that day, asking after her son. 689 00:42:27,621 --> 00:42:29,430 Despite never having mentioned this before. 690 00:42:29,470 --> 00:42:31,630 Well, she was obviously in a state of shock, 691 00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:33,831 right after her son was brutally murdered. 692 00:42:34,951 --> 00:42:37,221 By the time she'd started to think at all rationally, 693 00:42:37,261 --> 00:42:39,711 Sally Wright had been charged. 694 00:42:39,751 --> 00:42:41,941 It never occurred to her to mention a 30-second exchange 695 00:42:41,981 --> 00:42:43,581 on her doorstep with his social worker. 696 00:42:43,621 --> 00:42:46,744 Well, she's lying. Cos I didn't go looking for him. 697 00:42:49,583 --> 00:42:52,423 It would be perfectly understandable, Karen, 698 00:42:52,463 --> 00:42:55,104 for you to have been mad with Matthew. 699 00:42:57,304 --> 00:43:00,054 I mean, what would any of us do to protect our children? 700 00:43:03,533 --> 00:43:06,384 Maybe this was just a moment of madness. 701 00:43:06,424 --> 00:43:07,463 No. 702 00:43:11,174 --> 00:43:13,333 I never saw him that day. 703 00:43:14,783 --> 00:43:18,574 There are numerous fibres taken from Matthew's clothing after he died. 704 00:43:18,614 --> 00:43:21,704 Hitherto unidentified hairs caught up in his school jumper and coat. 705 00:43:21,744 --> 00:43:23,663 Would you be happy for us check those against you? 706 00:43:25,254 --> 00:43:26,504 Yeah. 707 00:43:30,944 --> 00:43:32,463 Right hand. 708 00:44:02,614 --> 00:44:04,934 I don't know what to say any more, Sally. 709 00:44:04,974 --> 00:44:07,663 I've just got so much wrong and... 710 00:44:09,864 --> 00:44:11,663 I wonder if you can ever forgive me. 711 00:44:13,463 --> 00:44:15,583 Come in. 712 00:44:25,944 --> 00:44:28,783 PHONE RINGING 713 00:44:32,024 --> 00:44:34,304 'Hi, this is Sam Wright. Please leave a message.' 714 00:44:36,144 --> 00:44:37,704 All right, mate? 715 00:44:37,744 --> 00:44:42,384 It's Aaron... Holmes. Remember me? 716 00:44:47,783 --> 00:44:50,783 Listen, fella, give us a call some time, will ya? 717 00:44:53,074 --> 00:44:55,174 I think we need to have a little chat. 718 00:45:00,504 --> 00:45:03,984 I am not taking any lectures from you. 719 00:45:04,024 --> 00:45:05,654 I know where you were last night. 720 00:45:05,694 --> 00:45:07,583 ALARM BELLS RING 721 00:45:08,894 --> 00:45:11,084 This has to be for keeps, Sam. 722 00:45:11,124 --> 00:45:13,234 Why would you go to all that trouble... 723 00:45:13,274 --> 00:45:15,643 unless you had something to hide? 724 00:45:15,683 --> 00:45:18,234 This can't be about Karen any more. 725 00:45:18,274 --> 00:45:20,234 I won't be anyone's second best, Sam. 726 00:45:20,274 --> 00:45:21,794 Least of all yours. 727 00:45:21,834 --> 00:45:23,803 I'm sorry, Guv, but you're gonna want to see this.