1 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,400 Hello, I'm Frank Skinner, and welcome to Room 101, 2 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,920 the show where three guests battle to get the things they hate 3 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,160 entombed for all eternity in the dreaded vault. 4 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,840 They'll have to argue their case well because, in each round, 5 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,120 only one item can be chosen. 6 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:48,000 The final decision is mine. 7 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,400 Let's meet this week's guests. 8 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,320 Joining me tonight are "Last Leg" Alex Brooker, 9 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,720 "Break A Leg" Sally Phillips, 10 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,080 and "Bite Your Legs" Jeremy Paxman. 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,240 APPLAUSE 12 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,920 OK, so what's upsetting Jeremy Paxman? 13 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,560 APPLAUSE 14 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,800 Some of the audience obviously recognise him 15 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,120 from that caricature. He eats a lot of salt. 16 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,480 LAUGHTER 17 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,920 I just think that David Cameron was the worst Prime Minister 18 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,600 we've had for a very, very long time. 19 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:34,920 Several generations. 20 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,280 Certainly since Anthony Eden, possibly since Neville Chamberlain, 21 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:42,040 probably since Lord North, in fact, who lost the American colonies. 22 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,600 So I'm... 23 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,320 That could be the first Lord North reference 24 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,080 we've ever had on this show. 25 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,000 But not the last tonight, I can assure you! 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,080 I think you're choosing him next, aren't you? 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,840 LAUGHTER 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,200 The real sin, I think, with Cameron was - this man who, 29 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,280 in the words of friend of mine, 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,720 got to the top of the tree in order to set it on fire... 31 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,320 Hmm. ..put the interest of his party before the interest of the country, 32 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,920 and decided to have this referendum. 33 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,040 Believed one thing was the only right outcome for the country, 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,520 didn't campaign for it, got the opposite outcome, 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,880 and then buggered off! 36 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,680 LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 37 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:27,800 Just doesn't seem like leadership to me. 38 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,680 No. I mean, I think his plan was to destroy Ukip, wasn't it? 39 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,840 I thought you were going to say destroy YOU! No! 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,120 I think that's his next plan. LAUGHTER 41 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,440 When he sees this. 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,720 No, I think his plan was to destroy Ukip, 43 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,600 which, as we know, is Ukip's job. 44 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:47,600 LAUGHTER 45 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:52,920 So, when you say he's the worst Prime Minister since Lord North, 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,640 don't you think that Theresa May 47 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,320 sort of outmistaked him 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,560 when she called a general election? 49 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,200 Yes, I suppose she did, really. 50 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,160 But that election hasn't changed fundamentally the direction 51 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,040 of the country in the way that the referendum has. 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,280 Mm, good point. 53 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,080 LAUGHTER 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,440 I tell you what, when he first came to power, of course, 55 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,800 he was part of the coalition. 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,400 I have a lovely souvenir of that...of that era. 57 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,080 This is a coalition mug. 58 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,720 Oh, it's lovely! 59 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,360 It's a fetching thing! 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,360 Yeah, with Cameron, and... 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,640 ..they've sort of got them to scale to match their relative power. Yes. 62 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,480 Cos I always thought it was like... 63 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,560 You know when you see a footballer come on the pitch 64 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,160 and he's holding hands with the mascot who's dressed the same, 65 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,400 but you know only one of them's going to be playing? 66 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,240 That's how it was with the coalition, I thought. 67 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,360 There was a time when he left his kid in a pub. 68 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,200 And I thought, "Maybe he's not ALL bad." 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,160 LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE 70 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,080 Maybe there is a bit of him that IS like the rest of us. 71 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,840 Yeah. You're obviously, 72 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,360 probably the only person here who sort of knew him, 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,280 is that fair to say? 74 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,680 Sort of, yes. Yeah. See, I imagine he's one of those politicians 75 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,800 who's very different sort of off-camera than he is on camera. 76 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:20,000 Is that fair? I don't think so. I mean, he's a smoothy chops. 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,320 OK. 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,760 That's the sort of analysis we never got from you on Newsnight. 79 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,200 We've got a clip of him playing table tennis, 80 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,080 which I think sort of shows what he's like 81 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,400 as an international statesman in some way. 82 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:39,680 OBAMA: A little spin there. 83 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Don't... Don't laugh cos I'm nervous. 84 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Obama can play, can't he? Of course he can play! 85 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,520 He's good at everything. 86 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,960 It was a very strange tweet that David Cameron sent. 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Look at this. 88 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:11,040 And then a photo of him on the phone. 89 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,200 As if Obama called and he said to someone, "It's Obama! 90 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,320 "Quick take a photo!" 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,160 LAUGHTER 92 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,520 He looks like he's just been put on hold. 93 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,600 LAUGHTER 94 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,320 Do you actually think Obama did that when he left office 95 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,120 and never told him? 96 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,560 He's got some bloke in Bangalore trying to explain to him 97 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,160 what he should do to reboot his Wi-Fi! 98 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,800 LAUGHTER 99 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:39,560 Isn't it amazing? Don't you find that, as a political analyst, 100 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,040 the fact that for two whole terms America wanted Barack Obama, 101 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,880 and then the next thing they wanted was Donald Trump? 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,720 It's quite a big change of opinion, that, isn't it? Yeah. 103 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,600 It's the biggest political switch 104 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,960 since Lembit Opik went from Sian Lloyd 105 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,720 to Gabriela Cheeky. 106 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:03,160 That's an absolutely appropriate analogy! 107 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,360 OK, so, what is winding up Sally? 108 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,720 Yeah. 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,760 AUDIENCE: Oooh! 110 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,280 This is going to be brilliant! 111 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,560 LAUGHTER 112 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,120 The cult of positive thinking, 113 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,120 which is the kind of pseudoscience, 114 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,760 the idea that you are magic and that your brain, 115 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,840 through the power of quantum physics, 116 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,720 can summon anything to yourself that you want. 117 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,200 So your brain is inordinately powerful and anything you think 118 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,800 materialises. 119 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:42,600 So, if you visualise yourself with a very attractive boyfriend, 120 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,720 you will get a very attractive boyfriend. 121 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,240 But you have to be very, very careful 122 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:47,720 and police your mind at all times. 123 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,400 Because if you accidentally envision yourself having sex 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,400 with David Cameron, that also will happen! 125 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,160 But presumably, you're anti-negative thinking as well? 126 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,280 I am anti-extreme optimism and extreme pessimism. 127 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,360 Anything that pretends that the other side isn't there. 128 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,760 But I think that, basically, 129 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,080 to be pessimistic is less stressful than to be... 130 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,320 ..optimistic. Like, being really pessimistic is kind of fun. 131 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,080 And if you have zero expectations of life, 132 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,920 you're generally delighted, I find. 133 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,640 LAUGHTER 134 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,720 It makes you happy. 135 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,480 Well, I have to say, if you don't like positive thinking, 136 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,160 you're certainly on the right show. 137 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,320 I mean, I think it's quite important 138 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,560 to not go around asking the question, "Why me?" 139 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,760 when something bad happens. But go, "Why NOT me?" 140 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,960 I mean, to hold both those questions. 141 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,040 I tend not so much to ask "why me?" as "why not them?". 142 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,840 LAUGHTER 143 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,200 There's always someone who seems to deserve misfortune 144 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,240 much more than I do. 145 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,440 I tell you where this belief definitely exists - 146 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,480 on Deal Or No Deal. 147 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Cos they open the box and say, 148 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,640 "I'm really now rooting for you on this one." 149 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,400 What's in the box is not going to change from when they brought it on. 150 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,840 Noel Edmonds, of course... 151 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,480 He is, he's a cosmic orderer. 152 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,760 A cosmic orderer? Which is basically like intergalactic Amazon. 153 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,800 He, like... 154 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,520 Noel Edmonds actually believes that if you write down a list of what you 155 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,120 want, you will get everything on that list. 156 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,640 You don't even get that with Ocado. 157 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,360 LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 158 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,200 Then there's... There's the guy who 159 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,480 ordered, in 2014 from Tesco's, a walnut loaf, 160 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,320 and they substituted it with an octopus. 161 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,600 Really? Yeah! 162 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Well, everyone gets a leg, as they used to say. 163 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:54,360 I mean, I can see the argument for being positive in life. 164 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,480 I don't know if it necessarily would change a physical thing, 165 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,520 but it seems better than being negative. 166 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:01,800 I just think it's dangerous to exclude the other side. 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,920 But I am 60 now. Ah! 168 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,840 I know! 169 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,960 Think positively, Frank. You look amazing. 170 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,400 But when you get... 171 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,360 It feels like a bit of an important thing, 172 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,760 and you can look at it two ways. 173 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,440 For example, one thing I thought when I was 60, 174 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,880 it suddenly struck me that I've probably got enough pencils 175 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,640 to last me the rest of my life. 176 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:28,480 Now, that's a positive spin, I would say. 177 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,400 At the same time, when I heard that Big Ben wasn't going to bong till 178 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,000 2021, I thought, "That could be it for me and Big Ben." 179 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,800 LAUGHTER 180 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,000 Does it seriously make you feel better that you might have enough 181 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,520 pencils to last until you die? 182 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:45,320 It does, it does. I walk past pencil shops now and think... 183 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,400 LAUGHTER 184 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,160 "Don't bother me." 185 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,240 What about this? This is a jar of smiles, it's called. 186 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,080 And if you're feeling a bit down, 187 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,560 you just put your hand in the jar of smiles and take out a positive 188 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,320 thought, and it raises you up for the rest of the day. 189 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,520 I can't believe I'm going to offer one of these to Jeremy Paxman. 190 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,080 LAUGHTER 191 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,080 But I am, I am. 192 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,560 How exciting! Come on. After you. Dig deep, dig deep, it's not... 193 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,400 You can pick any one you like. 194 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,440 Thank you very much. 195 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,440 I've got to be positive to think I can pick one of these out. 196 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,920 No, you can do it. 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,280 I was rooting for you! 198 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,720 LAUGHTER 199 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,480 OK, what have you got, Sally? 200 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,480 "Your past mistakes are there to guide you, not define you." 201 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,120 AUDIENCE: Oooh! 202 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Well, if David Cameron was watching this, that will cheer him up again. 203 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,280 That's true. 204 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Jeremy. Well, this in fact... This is useful, too. 205 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,360 "Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently." 206 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,320 Looks like you're back on Newsnight. 207 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,360 LAUGHTER 208 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,160 Alex. "One small positive thought in the morning 209 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,040 "can change your whole day." 210 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,960 AUDIENCE: Aww! 211 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,520 That's the best euphemism I've ever heard in my life. 212 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,320 Just to prove, one last bit of proof that it doesn't always work, 213 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,720 positive thinking, this is a guy called Kurt Bradley. 214 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,440 And Kirk Bradley was so confident that Manchester City 215 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,880 were going to win the Champions League 216 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,000 that he had a tattoo celebrating that very fact. 217 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,240 There you go. "2011 champions." 218 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,880 Didn't happen. 219 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,320 Unfortunately. I have to say, though, I know how he feels. 220 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,080 I had a tattoo done. 221 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,720 LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 222 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,320 OK, and so to Alex... 223 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,880 It's not as much the tourist attractions themselves. 224 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,640 Like, I like a pyramid as much as the next man. 225 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:07,000 It's the other people that go to them that ruin it. 226 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,760 Every tourist attraction I have ever been to has been ruined 227 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,640 by other people. By tourists. It's horrendous. 228 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:19,640 You know, we went to Mexico, went to Chichen Itza, the big temple. 229 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:21,520 All I wanted was a funny little photo 230 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:23,480 where it looked like I was holding it. 231 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,520 I don't think that's much to ask, if you've gone to Mexico. 232 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,640 People getting in the way, in the back of shot. 233 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,320 Harry Potter World, a very different experience, 234 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,440 but again ruined by other people. 235 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,600 I'm sick of it. 236 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,560 Went swimming to see turtles. 237 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,640 The fellow, the tour guide yells "turtle", 238 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:43,400 and you think a few people would just put their goggles underneath, 239 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,240 there's a turtle. You've seen one before. They acted like 240 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,600 he'd just yelled "mermaid"! 241 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,520 It's a scramble, there's GoPros everywhere... 242 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:52,640 I got hit in the head with a GoPro. 243 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,320 It's like, "Why have I bothered?" 244 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:57,960 Well... 245 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,480 LAUGHTER 246 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,920 I've got an idea for you, Alex. 247 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,640 Go on. If you don't like tourist attractions, don't be a tourist. 248 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:13,800 Hmm. 249 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,960 That should have been in one of those little jars on a bit of paper. 250 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,480 I went on - and I swear this is a true story - 251 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:26,560 I took my partner on a romantic weekend to Bergen, in Norway, 252 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:27,840 and we basically had 253 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,960 the Leprosy Museum to ourselves. 254 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,760 So what YOU'RE doing, you're going, you know, to the massive crowd... 255 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,840 If you don't like people, you need to just drop your sights a bit. 256 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,120 The thing is, if I went to the Leprosy Museum, 257 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,680 I'd worry that people thought I was part of the attraction. 258 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,600 "It's like Madame Tussaud's in here, let's get a photo with this guy!" 259 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,240 You've been to Sydney? 260 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Yes, I have been to Sydney. 261 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Now, when you first saw the Sydney Opera House, 262 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,080 weren't you blown away by it? 263 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,400 Yeah, I thought it was great. 264 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,400 The first time I went, cos I don't drink, I don't do drugs, 265 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,600 so the only way I can get sort of spaced out now is with a long-haul 266 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,840 flight. You know when you're in Sydney, sort of like that, 267 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,000 you've just had 24 hours on a plane, 268 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,440 and I went to the bay and looked at it. 269 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,280 And I stood there on my own for about ten minutes looking at this... 270 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,200 You know... There, the Sydney Opera House. 271 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,440 And I remember of all the thoughts you could have about that, 272 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,520 about the architecture, about opera, whatever, 273 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,200 the thought that went through my head most dominantly was, 274 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,280 "I bet I could make a model of that 275 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,880 "out of my own toenails." 276 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,000 LAUGHTER 277 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,320 And... 278 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,080 When I got home... 279 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,520 Now... 280 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,840 LOAD GROANING 281 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,400 Look at that. 282 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,120 Now, you can't get that in the souvenir shops. 283 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:07,880 And I tell you, what about this? 284 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,720 As a development I did, when I found another nail... 285 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,440 So what I've managed to do with this one is Sydney By Night. 286 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,480 APPLAUSE 287 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,760 Absolutely beautiful. 288 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,360 Have I won you over, Alex? 289 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,040 You know what? 290 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,160 Ignore what I've said. 291 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,960 It is a pain at tourist attractions, a lot of people, 292 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,840 but there is something very exciting about seeing those things. 293 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,160 The first time you see the Sydney Opera House 294 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,760 or the Statue of Liberty, it's really amazing. 295 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,000 So I don't think I can put those in. 296 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,320 Positive thinking, you know, I think... 297 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,080 I agree, at the sharp end it's bad, 298 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:59,400 but I am the sort of a person who does believe in those things, 299 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,800 that people say if you really believe it, it might happen. 300 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,040 David Cameron, he's in. 301 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,080 APPLAUSE 302 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,760 All righty, so what is winding up Sally Phillips? 303 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,800 APPLAUSE 304 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,000 These basically turn someone from a decent human being into a moron 305 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,000 in under two minutes. 306 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Like that. 307 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,000 What you're saying, this is a particular... 308 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,400 It's an activity tracker. 309 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,320 Yes, so it's a thing that keeps track of all your steps and... 310 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,000 It's a pedometer that's, like, more judgmental. 311 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,800 Yeah. 312 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,920 But doesn't it keep you fit, and isn't it an incentive to...? 313 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,880 Well, it steals all the joy out of going for a walk 314 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,040 or doing any exercise whatsoever. 315 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,720 So it orders you to do 10,000 steps per day. 316 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,560 Now, this is a figure plucked out of the air from a study done 317 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,560 in the 1960s on a very small group of Japanese men. 318 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Now, the entire world has been ordered by these different companies 319 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,480 to do 10,000 steps a day. And that's actually, like, too much to do, 320 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,080 so you get people at the end of the day 321 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:22,720 sort of doing this in the kitchen. 322 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,160 No-one can concentrate until they've done it. 323 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,800 I do wear one. Yeah? 324 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,520 Here it is, in fact, in case you've never seen one in action, 325 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,080 so that's the thing. 326 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:39,560 So I've done 2.3km today. 327 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,240 Not brilliant. Or is it 1.7? 328 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,080 One and a half calories I've burned off. 329 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,880 That can't be right, can it? 330 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,720 Also this oversharing thing, you can share your workout with everyone, 331 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,400 like anyone is interested, 332 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,080 but people have now started sharing what it does to their heart rates 333 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:05,200 during sex. Like... 334 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,280 I haven't had it THAT long. 335 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,320 LAUGHTER 336 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,280 Yeah, but I think 337 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,400 any measuring is sort of ultimately destructive cos it takes you out 338 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,120 of the moment and you stop enjoying things. 339 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,360 Well, I recently lost a stone and a half. 340 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,880 Congratulations. Thank you. 341 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,920 And... 342 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,120 I'm just trying to quell the rumours. 343 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,120 I didn't do that much. 344 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,080 I just sort of stopped eating... 345 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:39,520 I stopped eating cake, and that was basically... 346 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,640 That'll do it. Yeah. I had the occasional lemon drizzle, 347 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,120 but what do you expect at my age? 348 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,320 LAUGHTER, GROANING, APPLAUSE 349 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,720 No, but I... Don't groan and then clap. 350 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,960 Make your minds up. 351 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,680 Do you wear one, Alex? 352 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,400 No, but the only time I've ever kind of used it, 353 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,240 like on the iPhone it says how many steps you've done, 354 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,240 and I quite like to use it as a measurement of laziness. 355 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,440 So you'd be there on a Sunday, and you go, 356 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,680 "I've walked ten steps today." 357 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,320 And then that gets competitive. 358 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,440 What, to do less? Yeah. 359 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,360 The challenge is to do less steps 360 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,800 than there are members of Steps. 361 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,800 There is a thing called the Hey Bracelet. 362 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,480 You buy one for you and one for your partner. 363 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,920 Yeah. And your partner could be in a different country, 364 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,160 but if you press the top of your Hey Bracelet, 365 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,920 it will squeeze their wrists 366 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,760 wherever they are, as if you'd affectionately 367 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,000 reached out across continents and squeezed your partner's wrist. 368 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,480 Isn't that...? I mean, it will be misused, I think we all know that. 369 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 LAUGHTER 370 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,560 So, what's upsetting Jeremy? 371 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,040 Everyone has seen these things. 372 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,080 Yes. They are completely ridiculous. 373 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:20,480 They're founded on the notion that somehow a dog needs a jacket 374 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,240 cos it has no external covering, which is just absurd. 375 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,840 I don't understand why people do it. 376 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,480 They make their dogs look ridiculous. 377 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,400 They must get into a filthy state. 378 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,560 I would... I just don't see the point of them. 379 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,760 Well, they're never warm enough, are they, though, dogs? 380 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,360 How would YOU know? 381 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,840 Well, if you light a log fire, 382 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,160 they're always front row, straightaway. 383 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,920 No matter how much fur they've got, so... 384 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,760 Also, if you're going to put clothing on a dog, 385 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,360 the temptation would be trousers, wouldn't it? 386 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,360 Yeah. Because the least furry part 387 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,920 of a dog is around the private parts. 388 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,520 There's hardly any fur there. It's the opposite of humans. 389 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:10,440 What?! If I wore a dog skin, I'd basically complete the jigsaw. 390 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,880 The whole thing would... 391 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,880 But they always put jackets on them. 392 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,560 It's like Top Cat. You know, Top Cat just wears a waistcoat. 393 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,120 Nothing underneath. Donald Duck. 394 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,640 It's not right. 395 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,480 Come on, back me up on this. 396 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,800 I nearly bought a dog sweater by mistake in Topshop, 397 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,000 I thought it looked nice. 398 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,120 I was like, "What are these holes for?" 399 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,160 Oh, for yourself? For myself, I thought, "This is nice." 400 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,400 It turned out it was for a dog. 401 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,560 Yeah, but speaking of dog sweaters, are you aware of chiengora? 402 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,440 Chiengora is wool that is made from the hair of a dog, 403 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,320 so when you brush your dog, 404 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,960 you save that stuff out of the brush and then it can be woven into a 405 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,960 garment. I am not making this up. 406 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,080 No, I believe you. This is a woman wearing 407 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:02,240 the excess fur of her own dog. 408 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,920 It's true, so that cardigan and scarf is made from that dog. 409 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,320 And her wig, by the look of it. 410 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,960 I don't know where she got that from. 411 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,280 She must have a ginger cat. 412 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,840 LAUGHTER 413 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,480 I'm glad I said cat! 414 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,920 I actually have got a poncho. 415 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,080 This is genuine. This is a dog hair poncho. 416 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:34,160 AUDIENCE GROANS 417 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,760 Don't like it? It's lovely... 418 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,160 And... Smelly? 419 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,520 I'm sorry, higher legs now, I'm walking a bit like this. 420 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,640 You know how they do that thing with their hind legs? 421 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,440 I hate it when they do that. 422 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,520 That sort of "here's my genitals" look. 423 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,200 This is... Feel that, that's proper, proper... 424 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,720 Do you want to feel a bit of dog? 425 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,480 What do you think? Doggie. 426 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,200 It is doggie. This is from a chow. 427 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,920 MUFFLED LAUGHTER 428 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,200 That wasn't a joke. 429 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,160 Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look? 430 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,200 I've just seen myself on the monitor, I do look a bit... 431 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,960 I look like I've just emerged 432 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,640 through the skin of a rice pudding. 433 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,160 LAUGHTER 434 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,240 But it's a dog jacket of a whole different kind, 435 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,840 I think you'll agree. 436 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,120 OK, and so to Alex. 437 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,800 There's become a worrying trend in football now of football fans, 438 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:54,880 not children, grown adults who have decided to voice their displeasure 439 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,520 using a sign which they've made at home. 440 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,360 And I am completely baffled by it. 441 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,080 I'm an Arsenal fan, so we had a spate in the last... 442 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,760 AUDIENCE GROANS 443 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,120 We had a spate in recent seasons 444 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,720 where a lot of people want the manager to go. 445 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,480 And these Wenger Out signs appeared from everywhere, and everyone 446 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,440 seemed to have them, very much like Fitbits. 447 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,800 This is sort of a classic example of it at the Emirates. 448 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,360 It's absolutely baffling. 449 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,800 The idea that before you go to football, 450 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,360 you could be sat at home 451 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,920 and, like, your child would turn around and just go, 452 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,480 "Mum, what's Dad doing with my felt tips?" 453 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,040 "Well, he's making a sign to tell Arsene Wenger that he wants him to 454 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,800 "leave, if you just leave him to it, 455 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,000 "cos he's trying not to go out of the lines," while being very angry. 456 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,400 And it's just baffling. 457 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,560 Do you think it's because Emirates Stadium is so quiet, 458 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,160 people are self-conscious about shouting out loud? 459 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,600 LAUGHTER 460 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,160 There used to be a bloke by me, every summer, a bloke, an old guy, 461 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,480 and every time somebody missed a shot, he'd say, 462 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,120 "You'd have been no good on the five-inch mortars." 463 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,120 I thought, "When did you first shout that? 1941?" 464 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,800 The Wenger Out campaign was an absolute... 465 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,560 It went kind of global. 466 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,120 It was absolutely ridiculous. 467 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,920 Well, this... We have a shot here of an anti-Donald Trump protest in 468 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,200 Parliament Square. Obviously, a lot of people felt very, 469 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,480 very strongly about Trump becoming President, 470 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,880 but if you look on the right there, next to... 471 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,560 LAUGHTER 472 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,600 There's actually a Wenger Out sign. 473 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,480 All sorts of sports now are going for this sort of protest thing. 474 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Golf and snooker have had this phenomenon. 475 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,520 To me, that's worth it. 476 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,720 There is one home-made sign phenomenon I really like, 477 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,680 and that is, you know, FC Magdeburg, in Germany, 478 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,560 they went five games without scoring a goal. 479 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,120 And their fans had these arrows made. 480 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,600 LAUGHTER 481 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,160 And every time they attack, they would point them at the goal! 482 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,320 Ironically, we used very similar arrows to taunt them from our coast 483 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,280 during the Dad's Army opening... 484 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,080 LAUGHTER 485 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,880 OK, so... 486 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,280 I'm not going to put dog jackets in. 487 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,120 And I think Fitbits, they might make some people like automatons, 488 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,040 but there are some people who maybe wouldn't do exercise who are doing 489 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,360 exercise, and that's got to be a good thing. 490 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,880 They do exercise for two weeks. 491 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,240 Yes, but I think that is what you're supposed to do exercise for, 492 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840 according to most gym membership research. 493 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,760 But I like people to shout and swear at football matches, 494 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,760 I don't think it should involve writing. 495 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,000 So much of our communication now is about texts and tweets and stuff, 496 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,880 so I am going to put home-made football signs into Room 101. 497 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,920 APPLAUSE 498 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,320 And that brings us to the end of the show. 499 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,680 Well done, Jeremy, you were the most persuasive guest, so you are this 500 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,160 week's winner. Thank you. 501 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,680 APPLAUSE 502 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,680 But you were all truly marvellous, 503 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,720 so please give a big thank-you to Alex Brooker, 504 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,920 Jeremy Paxman and Sally Phillips. And thank you. Goodnight. 505 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,000 Subtitles by Red Bee Media