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The bodybuilder at its root
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is concerned
with self-development
through self-mastery.
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If you are in a day and age
where you can more easily get
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drug information about PEDs
and how to cycle
before you can get exposure
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to what the significance
or value of a rep is,
that is a problem
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because it makes it so that you
are not able to be put in line
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to appreciate the art form that
this is, that this represents.
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Marker, Generation Iron.
Arnold interview take one.
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Arnold, where do you
think the sport of bodybuilding
is heading in the future?
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What do you think
is gonna happen to it?
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In 1977,
Arnold Schwarzenegger took
bodybuilding into the mainstream
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with a documentary
Pumping Iron.
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Since then, the sport grew
along with the physiques
of the competitors.
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As athletes continue to grow,
so do the public's awareness
of steroids.
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It became a media buzzword
in the '90s
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and soon became synonymous
with bodybuilding.
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From there,
research and development
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of anabolic substances
and exercise science
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continued making great strides
and athletes grew bigger.
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But is bigger better?
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Have we sacrificed size
for quality?
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Do steroids help create
a better show for the audience
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or are they ultimately hindering
the sport?
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When you're a pro bodybuilder,
they are...
Every single one is on steroids.
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Let's make that clear, right?
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You know that, right?
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I think the best answer
is to allow the athletes
to use the drugs
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but provide medical treatment.
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If you're gonna be great
in anything,
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you have to be a student of it
first.
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You know,
is there a limit to growth?
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You know,
certainly there's a limit,
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but I don't know
that we found it.
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I've worked with men
who will say,
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"If you told me that taking
anabolic steroids is going
to take 20 years off my life,
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I would still do it
because at least I would be big
and muscular
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in the time I was here."
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It's risk versus benefit ratio
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and I always tell people
that if they want to go down
that road that's up to them.
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But when you're 25,
you don't give a shit.
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Steroids aren't addictive,
steroids have never killed
anybody, you know.
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There's...
There's no physiological proof,
it's never been shown.
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It's all what the media
wants you to see.
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"Anabolic" steroid users
to a certain point
of using the steroids
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get left ventricular
hypertrophy,
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which is an enlargement
of left ventricle
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and they get a lower
ejection fraction,
which is heart failure.
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Liver & Organ.
So, I've been taking steroids
for over 25 years, alright.
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So, needless to say, you know,
it does its damage
and I'm aware of that.
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I'm willing to take...
you know, take my chances
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but I'm gonna do it
as safe as possible.
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I want to say this,
that I believe in
drug-free bodybuilding
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and I think
it's very, very important
as a person in the spotlight
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that when it comes to talking
about what choice
should be made,
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it's that unenhanced
bodybuilding is the way to go.
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And that can be done
in every organization.
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Vegas is familiar to me.
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It's been the home to one
of the biggest bodybuilding shows in the world, Mr. Olympia.
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But today, I arrive to explore
a different competition,
the Natural Olympia.
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For over eight years, I've been documenting bodybuilding
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and the many organizations
within the sport.
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Most of these organizations
have one thing in common,
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they generally don't drug test.
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The bodybuilders who compete
in these leagues
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have gone far beyond
what was thought possible,
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across wide variety
of divisions,
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each showcasing different levels of muscularity
and types of physiques.
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But there is another world
left unexplored
in the realm of the sport,
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natural bodybuilding.
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These international competitions claim to enforce
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strict drug policies
on their athletes
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and test them with the same standards used for the Olympics.
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The Professional Natural
Bodybuilding Association, more commonly known as the PNBA,
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is the biggest natural
bodybuilding organization
in the world.
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Despite this, I can't help but notice that the competitions are much more modest
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in comparison
to their untested rivals.
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But this is the largest turnout of competitors
in the PNBA's history
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with over 450 professional
and amateur contestants
from all over the world,
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all of them training
and dieting for one purpose,
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to win without the aid
of anabolic substances.
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This is their story.
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Turn left.
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About a month ago,
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I set out to meet
the top athletes competing
for Natural Olympia title.
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Men and women with some of the
best genetics and work ethics
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who for varying reasons
chose a drug-free path.
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Two-time Natural Olympia gold medalist...
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The first athlete
on my list was Rob Terry,
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a reigning champion
in men's open division
for the last two years.
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Originally from Wales,
Rob came to U.S.
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to pursue a career
in professional wrestling
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before making a name for himself in natural bodybuilding.
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At 6.4, he towers
over most of his peers
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with a physique
that commands attention.
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- Well, how are you doing, Rob?
- Good. How are you?
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- Good to meet you, man.
- Very good to meet you as well.
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So, everything is set up.
We are gonna be in that chair
over there.
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- Okay.
- And we'll... Right...
Get right into it, man.
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So, let's start
from the beginning.
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What is Natural Mr. Olympia for
those who've never heard of it?
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Natural Mr. Olympia,
it's the biggest, the...
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The best title that you can
have as a natural bodybuilder.
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Which organization
do you represent?
Which bodybuilding organization?
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I compete and represent the...
The INBA, PNBA.
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The INBA, PNBA
is a natural show
where you get drugs tested.
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That to me,
was extremely important.
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What's bigger than being
the natural Mr. Olympia?
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In my mind that was everything
that I am.
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I'm probably one of the biggest
natural athletes in the world
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and have been
for a long, long time.
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You... you don't see
too many guys in the offseason
especially that walk around,
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280 pounds at six-foot-four,
not a regular thing you see,
but I possess that.
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I want people in the natural
bodybuilding circuit
to be like, "Oh, my God!
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This guy,
he's huge and it's offseason.
That guy is a freak."
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And just accept me
and understand you can do this
on a natural level.
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I want to be remembered
as one of the best natural
pro bodybuilders of all time.
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You know,
over the decades we've...
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We've seen some freaks
of nature that you would say
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"Man, those guys
were on the juice," you know,
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"They're...
They're taking steroids,
I don't care what you say,"
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and you'll hear people...
Hear people say that about Rob.
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That's just a statement
without, you know,
any facts behind it.
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They just look like
they've taken steroids.
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I was really developing
on a natural level
and I was making big strides
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and I just wanted to keep going
and see how much I could do it
on this level.
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And I feel like I brought
my physique
to its natural full potential.
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And what I love is that I'm able
to maintain
and keep it all year-round.
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Rob Terry is a phenom,
they would say,
in natural bodybuilding.
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He's an excellent competitor,
an excellent natural
bodybuilder,
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and he is gonna stay, you know,
at the top of the mountain
for a little while.
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It's asked by Rob to run
his blood work multiple times
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and, uh, thoroughly convinced
that, uh, he's natural athlete.
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And that's one
great thing about Rob.
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Open book, you know,
show up at his house,
test him anytime-type person.
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And you don't see
that real often.
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One of the things
that I told, um,
Iron Man Magazine,
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I told my sponsors
and I also told the president
of the INBA, PNBA,
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is that it's really important
for me as a champion of the INBA
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to not only be tested
on the show
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which I've been tested
every single time that I've won
the title, but I...
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I also wanted to be tested
throughout the year randomly.
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Three, two, three...
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Have you ever considered
or thought about taking
performance-enhancement drugs?
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Given that I have
one kidney, it wouldn't be
a good health decision for me.
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My body wouldn't be able
to do it.
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And it was just one of those
decisions that I made
very earlier on in my life.
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I know my parents
are real pretty concerned
about my general health
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but they supported me
one thousand percent
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as long as I stayed natural
and healthy.
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Rob is very,
very health conscious.
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When he was eight years old,
he had quite a life-changing
experience.
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He... he suffered from
a severe case of hydronephrosis,
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which actually meant
he had to have a kidney
surgically removed.
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I'll never forget the day
we went to the hospital
and it was diagnosed.
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And Chris and I both thought
how on Earth
are we gonna tell Robert
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what the problem is and what's
gonna have to happen.
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And we were worried
how he'd react to that.
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And we were totally amazed
when we told him,
he just looked at us and said,
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"Well, thanks for explaining
that to me, I understand.
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What have I got to do to get
better after the operation?"
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- And that was, to my mind,
incredible.
- Yeah.
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Um, that he had
such determination
to get healthy again.
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- Yeah, I got it.
- Okay.
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Come here. Swing, please.
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Pick which one
you want to go on.
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This swing? That one? This one?
All right, let's jump...
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If you haven't asked
your support structure,
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"Hey, this is what I want to do
and this is what I need
from you,"
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it's never gonna happen.
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Do your cardio, do your workout,
prep your meals,
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still be
with your significant other
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and have them understand
that there are times
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when you're really tired
or really hungry
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and you don't want to go out
and sit at a restaurant
and not eat it.
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...straight down there.
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I think it can be hard
in a situation
where you're with someone
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and they don't understand
what you're doing.
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I'm really, really fortunate
and I'm really lucky
that my wife understands
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everything that I do.
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She understands everything
that I want to do.
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And she's incredibly
supportive of that.
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Yeah, I want to say I want to be
the longest reigning
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Natural Mr. Olympia champion
back to back.
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It's a goal that I'm hundred
percent committed to.
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Philip Ricardo Jr.,
originally a skinny kid
from Brooklyn.
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Phil joined the Marines
at a young age where he began
building his physique.
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He developed quickly
and was soon entering
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and winning
the bodybuilding competitions.
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Eventually, he won enough titles to earn a nickname,
"The Legend."
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He's since retired
from pro bodybuilder.
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But at 48 years old,
he has decided to come back
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to reclaim his title
of Natural Olympia.
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My family situation
was... It was pretty rough.
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My father, unfortunately,
he went to jail,
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so that's why I moved
from Rochester to Brooklyn.
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I was a very shy kid,
pretty skinny.
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Um, you know, I was in projects,
so it's kind of, you know,
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intimidating to be around
that kind of atmosphere.
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But it was that growing up
I wanted to be healthy.
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And I actually grew up
very sickly.
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I had asthma as a young kid.
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It was more of a selfish thing,
I wanted to be successful.
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And I saw all these
other bodybuilders, you know,
being on ESPN and TV,
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and so, I wanted to be on TV,
I wanted to be in magazines,
I wanted to be on the cover.
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But as I've gotten older
and family and kids
and everything else,
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you see that those things don't
matter and all these things
that I do is just kind of,
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like, it's nice
but it doesn't mean anything
when it comes to eternal life.
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I've seen the lifestyle
around me, not just that,
you know, drinking, drugs.
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I saw my parents, you know,
they were smoking stuff
in the car while we're driving.
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And me trying to do anything
that would, you know,
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deter me from being healthy
by taking some kind of drugs
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or putting anything bad
into my system
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would be counterproductive
to a healthy lifestyle.
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To be honest, I didn't
really have this focused
on my radar until really late
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and people, you know,
are always asking
when I'm going to come back.
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So, I thought it'll be just
something good to do.
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So, yeah, I feel like
I wish I had more time
to just really, really prepare.
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But I also feel that I am
in a good place now
and I feel I am gonna be ready.
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The one thing I'm most proud of
is the fact that I've competed
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against probably all the top
natural bodybuilders.
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I've been fortunate enough
to have beaten all of them.
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Well, we'll see what happens
with Rob. I don't know
if that's gonna happen, but...
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I will never to see myself
as being a legend,
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but I think just because I have
been in the sport so long
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and going up against
all the top guys.
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When it comes to Phil,
he is, to me, what drew me
into natural bodybuilding.
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It's the idea that you have
this almost unattainable level
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of not just physical appearance
but sportsmanship overall.
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Philip Ricardo Jr.
is a past winner, 2015,
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of this Natural Olympia
and he's gonna try to take care
of Rob.
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You know, been divorced
and have, you know, extended
family all over the place.
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Not too long ago, my parents
both passed away.
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It's nice kind of how God works
where you may lose something
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and then you gain
something else in... In return.
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Now being engaged to...
To Kelly, it's...
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It's amazing that, you know,
all the things I've been
through, relationship-wise,
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that I was able to find finally
at this age, 48 years old,
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a woman that really,
I understand
and she understands,
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maybe we speak each other's
love language.
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I can't wait till Vegas
when, uh, we go to that buffet
he's been talking about.
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So, that's good.
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She's been supportive
the entire time.
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She helps cook some of my food
for me if I need it.
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And so, having support
and having someone that's not
going to make it tougher on me
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because it's already
a very tough sport
is definitely a blessing.
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He has a very restrictive diet,
which, you know,
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we already know that chicken
is one of the cleanest protein
you could have besides fish
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and that is the two things
that he's been eating to prepare
for his competition,
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which is actually very perfect
for our human body.
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So, like I said,
Rob is huge, Chris is huge.
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I've learned
even in my last Olympia
in 2015 that I won,
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I had to go up against
another great legend,
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hall-of-famer Michael Waddington
and another guy
called Martin Daniels.
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These guys are big.
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And I knew if I came in just
trying to get as super lean,
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that's not gonna beat
those guys.
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People could say I have good
genetics but if I show
a picture of when I was,
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you know, in high school just
that kind of like a straight up
and down beanpole
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and I think me training
brought out whatever genetics
I did have.
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To be honest, I can't come
in there saying I want...
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I don't want to win
because that doesn't make sense.
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If you're a champion, you are
always gonna want to win.
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So, it's more of I want to go
out there against guys
I've never competed against
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and once again test myself,
you know, see where I'm at.
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I'm 48 years old now,
I'm not a spring chicken,
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and no matter what the outcome,
I'm gonna congratulate
the winner
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and, hopefully,
I'm congratulating myself.
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This is gonna be a dogfight,
you know.
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You think testing for
steroids and eliminating it
from the sport
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would maybe help it
become mainstream?
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No, not at all.
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You have natural bodybuilding.
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Nobody knows who they are.
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All these organizations pop up
and they try to compete
against the NPC and the IFBB.
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They're not gonna get there
because everybody wants...
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Has their Mr. Olympia dreams.
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They want to step
on that Olympia stage.
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You know,
that lure is too strong.
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People like freaks.
They write freaks.
The... The sport has evolved.
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What natural bodybuilding
organizations
am I familiar with?
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Probably none. I mean,
I don't... I don't really...
Like I said, the...
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I mean, the only organization
I'm really familiar with
is the IFBB.
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As for actual set natty
organizations, I don't know
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and I don't really even
buy that, you know,
all of them are natural.
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It's not that drug-free
bodybuilding was as big.
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I think number one,
the information of the other
realities that exist
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wasn't as prevalent
as it is now.
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I don't know what started
this whole idea
that natural bodybuilding
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was supposed to be
unconditioned and boring
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and, you know, smaller guys
and nobody comes in conditioned.
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I... I really hope
that this portion of this decade
and... And...
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And this timeframe
in our lives shows people
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that it's about the excitement
of the sport,
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it's not about your lane,
and our lane
is natural bodybuilding.
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The choice to use anabolics
in the sport of bodybuilding
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is just that a personal choice.
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Athletes choose to use these
drugs for different reasons
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from expanding the limits
of your genetics
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to achieving recognition
and accolades
on a bodybuilding stage.
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While it is a choice,
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it's also assumed
the more successful athletes
and media influencers
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enhance their bodies and get more attention because of that.
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Mike O'Hearn,
a former PNBA athlete,
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has managed to become
one of the most famous
bodybuilding influencers
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without the use
of anabolic substances.
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Though many people, both in and out of the industry, do not believe him.
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Good to see you.
I like you guys all coming
in all pimpin looking.
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Ready for you.
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- It's cool, man, to have your
own gym
- Thank you. Thank you.
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Welcome to the castle.
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Can you tell me how you became
a natural bodybuilder?
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How did you get into it
and why did you decide
to be a natural bodybuilder?
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My dad was a bodybuilder,
football player, mom was
a martial artist, so we just...
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We all were bred for this.
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Started at 9,
competed at 13, Olympic lifting,
14, stepped on stage,
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competed against
20 19-year-olds,
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and at 14 years old,
I beat them all.
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How did you discover
- INBA/
- PNBA league?
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How'd you discover it and why
you chose to compete for them?
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It was the first show
I discovered that was natural.
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Um, and so, it was like in '89,
and they had a show
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and I drove down
to Northern California and
competed and I won the show.
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I just thought it was
a pretty badass thing.
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Do people question you when...
When you say you're natural,
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- do they question you and say,
"You can't be natural?"
- Since I was 13 years old.
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- Your whole life?
- Since 13 years old.
Imagine that.
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I don't think he's natural.
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I think... I don't think
he's taking it
to the insane levels, you know,
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but, personally, I think he's
dabbled in it here and there.
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If I had to bet my house
and is Mike O'Hearn natural
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or is Mike O'Hearn on drug,
of course, I'd bet my house
that he's not natural.
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So, I don't want to discount
his hard work,
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he is an extremely
hard worker in the gym.
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He has an incredible physique.
He defies age.
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But I don't believe for a minute
that he's not using
performance-enhancing drugs.
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The old Michael,
the Mike O'Hearn mystery.
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I've known Mike for years
and if he claims he'd be natural
then I get he's natural.
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You know what I mean?
I... I'm not gonna refute him.
But I will say one thng.
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I mean people pick on this guy
all the time
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but I've been in that
Gold's Gym since 1990
and Mike's been there
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and that son of a bitch is there
at four o'clock.
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His life is dedicated
to building his physique
and no one can take that away.
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Could be natural and looks like
Mike it would be Mike.
But Mike is probably
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the one person out there
that if a human being is capable
of doing it, it's probably Mike.
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Mike O'Hearn,
even I see all these things
that people say about him.
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He's been doing this thing
for a long time.
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He powerlifts,
he's strong, he's just...
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He's just a freak
just like Rob Terry, you know.
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And I think that because
he's still affiliated,
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he's so involved
with the Federation,
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I don't think someone like that
would be involved
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if they were doing something
that wasn't, you know, clean.
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- I didn't know.
- Did Joe hook it up?
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Yeah. I'm doing it. Let's do it.
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It really... It doesn't matter
if you do it or don't do it
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or if you believe I do it
or don't do it doesn't matter.
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I didn't make my career
off of this.
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What matters on,
I always say if I did it,
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my career would have been over
in the '90s like everybody
else's from back then.
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And I can't think of anybody
that stayed consistent
as long as I have.
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And that's solely nutrition.
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Mike hasn't competed in years,
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but he remains active in a natural bodybuilding world as a mentor
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to up-and-coming talent.
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After you. Come.
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Most recently, he has taken an interest in Adrian Pietrariu,
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a Romanian refugee
who stays in constant shape
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by competing
throughout the year.
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I love this.
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- Already, baby.
- Now I get to watch.
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From one champ to another, huh.
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- Let's throw down today,
let's have some fun.
- Let's do this.
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Can tell you about
Adrian, your relationship
with him,
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and kind of how would you
assess him as an athlete
as a competitor?
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Adrian's focused.
He's very precise.
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He's a businessman,
that's first and foremost.
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And he does it for himself
but he does not like
anybody else to...
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If they're gonna take stuff,
he's definitely one
against them.
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Well, I usually want
to be at 190,
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so, uh, it gives me a lot of
room to add some more carbs
much lower...
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Adrian reveals
the plans to finally step on a
pro stage at a Natural Olympia
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and compete against top talent
like Rob and Phil.
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But he's hesitant to do so.
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Nice, nice.
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.
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Nice, nice.
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One thing is,
and... And the main thing for
him is to believe in himself,
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um, because I know for the
longest time he didn't go to the
open and I wish he had.
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I couldn't understand
him still doing the...
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The amateur shows
and not doing the open.
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Right.
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So, for me it's just...
It's a different mindset.
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Um, I think he looks great.
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I'm very curious to see
when he actually crosses over
into the pro class how he does.
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He's a great competitor
and I... I...
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I hope soon that he stops
competing amateur and...
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And moves into the pro because
I think he would do... Do well.
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Just like you're on stage now,
come on.
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00:28:50,076 --> 00:28:52,339
A lot of people
say, well, that's not the best
because they're natural.
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00:28:53,557 --> 00:28:56,169
- Uh, you know...
- Any rebuttal on that?
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00:28:56,212 --> 00:29:01,696
You know, yeah, uh,
it is the best because the other
way you're actually cheating.
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00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:04,438
So, if you're cheating, is that
the best or not the best?
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00:29:04,481 --> 00:29:08,703
So, if you're throwing in things
that, you know,
are ways to cheat,
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00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:12,707
does that make you the best
or does that make you
just the best cheater?
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00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:14,753
- I'm going off here I'm just...
- You know what I'm saying?
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00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:16,450
- I'm... I'm... I'm asking you
the questions here, baby.
- I'm telling you.
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00:29:16,493 --> 00:29:18,844
I'm telling you.
I'm telling you.
That's the way I feel.
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00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:24,023
Okay.
- So, if you're using something
other than yourself...
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Your own best, right,
so you're using ways to cheat,
then it's not your best.
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00:29:28,331 --> 00:29:31,857
When if somebody has low
testosterone or something,
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and so, they're already fighting
an uphill battle?
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00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:39,778
I think you have to do the best
you can with what you have.
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00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:43,564
You know what I mean?
So, there's a 43-year-old guy
at the gym.
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00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:45,609
Hey, bro,
I used to look like you.
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00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:46,741
When?
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00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:47,786
When you're 16?
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I'm 41, motherfucker.
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00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,489
You see what I'm saying?
So, there...
There's some hypocrite...
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00:29:55,532 --> 00:29:59,493
Hypocrites out there that say,
"Hey, I look like this.
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00:29:59,536 --> 00:30:02,496
I'm doing it naturally,"
but they really aren't.
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00:30:02,539 --> 00:30:03,889
Well, I am, so...
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00:30:05,499 --> 00:30:06,717
Tell me when you're feeling it.
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00:30:09,851 --> 00:30:11,722
Yeah, I like to get that pump,
you know.
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00:30:11,766 --> 00:30:13,333
- No, no, no...
- Like, you feel like to get
that blood flowing there.
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00:30:13,376 --> 00:30:15,161
- Don't show it
until you're ready.
- Right, right.
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00:30:16,902 --> 00:30:19,208
- I like the dryness, though.
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00:30:19,252 --> 00:30:20,122
Yeah.
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00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:26,215
See.
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00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:27,521
The Romanian blood.
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00:30:27,564 --> 00:30:29,262
- These vampires.
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- Right.
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00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:32,439
Gotta love that.
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00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,571
This is my pro debut, man.
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00:30:34,615 --> 00:30:36,704
- Uh, I'd been...
So, wait a minute.
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00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:41,578
Biggest show in the world,
your pro debut,
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- you're jumping in head to head
with the greatest.
- Yeah.
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00:30:46,322 --> 00:30:49,543
Then you just said,
you know what, I'm getting
in the fight this time.
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I don't want to play around
with the amateurs this time.
441
00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:54,287
This time I want the very best
of the best and that's it.
442
00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:58,378
Well, I've been winning at all,
so the next thing is gonna be...
What's the next thing?
443
00:30:58,421 --> 00:31:00,032
You gotta go to the next level,
right?
444
00:31:05,037 --> 00:31:07,213
I'm excited being,
you know, on the biggest stage,
you know,
445
00:31:07,256 --> 00:31:09,171
with all these athletes from...
446
00:31:09,215 --> 00:31:11,826
The best natural athletes
from all over the world
that are coming in,
447
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:13,784
- I mean, from everywhere.
- Right.
448
00:31:13,828 --> 00:31:16,352
So, it's not like just
the U.S. or just...
449
00:31:16,396 --> 00:31:18,267
- This is worldwide, man.
- This is worldwide.
450
00:31:18,311 --> 00:31:21,314
This is the Olympics
for natural bodybuilding.
451
00:31:21,357 --> 00:31:25,492
Getting ready for this show,
is there anybody that you think
you need to beat
452
00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:28,234
or is it you coming in
in your best wins this?
453
00:31:28,277 --> 00:31:30,453
Me coming to my best
is gonna win this.
454
00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:34,588
Play it up, play it up.
Show them everything.
455
00:31:34,631 --> 00:31:36,938
How many shows have you done
drug tested?
456
00:31:36,982 --> 00:31:41,856
So, uh, I've been competing, uh,
since 2009
457
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:48,558
and, uh, I got tested
from the very first show
and every show after...
458
00:31:48,602 --> 00:31:52,475
But people have...
People have scammed and...
And...
459
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:57,002
And snuck past those tests
before, polygraph
and urine and blood.
460
00:31:57,045 --> 00:32:00,309
So, how... How is, uh...
You never been busted for it?
461
00:32:02,529 --> 00:32:04,835
Yeah,
there's not gonna be busted
if I'm not taking anything.
462
00:32:04,879 --> 00:32:07,055
There we go.
There we go.
463
00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,101
It's gonna be very hard to be
busted when you're not taking
anything. It's like...
464
00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:13,279
Is it... Is it something more to
you than just competing
and doing it naturally?
465
00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:15,455
- Is there something...
What is it?
- Man..
466
00:32:15,498 --> 00:32:19,981
You know what it is for me,
how can I eat really clean?
467
00:32:20,025 --> 00:32:24,333
Chicken, rice, fish, turkey,
468
00:32:24,377 --> 00:32:27,728
train hard,
put all this great stuff
in my system
469
00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:32,776
and then throw in a substance
that actually ruins
my entire body,
470
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:36,998
uh, ruins my health, uh,
you can end up dying from it.
471
00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:39,348
It sounds very hypocritical
to me.
472
00:32:44,136 --> 00:32:47,400
Now is this what you
normally eat after or roughly?
473
00:32:47,443 --> 00:32:49,315
Yeah, I like to keep it
pretty simple.
474
00:32:49,358 --> 00:32:53,797
Um, I live alone, so for me,
simplicity is, uh, the key.
475
00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:54,711
Is...
476
00:32:57,149 --> 00:33:01,327
How important is nutrition
in, uh, natural bodybuilding?
477
00:33:01,370 --> 00:33:03,894
So, a hundred percent nutrition,
478
00:33:03,938 --> 00:33:08,682
a hundred percent the gym
and a hundred percent mindset.
479
00:33:08,725 --> 00:33:11,293
So, uh, three hundred percent.
480
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:13,469
Salute.
481
00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:28,571
In '89, we decided to,
uh, escape communism,
482
00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:32,053
we ran over the border
with my parents, my brothers.
And my...
483
00:33:32,097 --> 00:33:38,016
My mother being pregnant,
they caught us over the border.
They took us to, uh, jail.
484
00:33:38,059 --> 00:33:42,977
My mother and the kids, we went
to, uh, house arrest
and my, uh...
485
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,675
My father,
he went to a regular prison.
486
00:33:45,719 --> 00:33:48,026
Two weeks later,
they brought us together.
487
00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:52,508
We said, well, the next place
where we want to go,
so, we try for the U.S.,
488
00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:56,121
where the U.S.,
took us about three months or so
to find out
489
00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:57,731
and then the U.S. accepted us.
490
00:33:57,774 --> 00:34:01,082
So, which...
The U.S. was Michigan.
491
00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:03,215
No, the other one...
right there. Yeah, that one.
492
00:34:03,258 --> 00:34:05,391
When we came to the U.S.,
493
00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:07,567
going from where we were
to coming here
494
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,308
was seemed like almost like
it was heaven, right,
495
00:34:09,351 --> 00:34:11,136
like things
that we've never seen.
496
00:34:11,179 --> 00:34:15,531
Grocery stores,
they were full of just like
what do we want to eat.
497
00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:20,101
Toy store, and like what are you
gonna buy as a young kid, right?
We couldn't even figure it out.
498
00:34:20,145 --> 00:34:22,886
Just things that we,
you know, never really had.
499
00:34:27,369 --> 00:34:30,111
I thought that all the guys
that were taking drugs
500
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:33,593
that they were getting
those results by being natural,
501
00:34:33,636 --> 00:34:38,032
by taking the creatine
and all this other supplements,
502
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,513
so, I was like,
"They're taking supplements."
I was naive.
503
00:34:41,862 --> 00:34:44,517
So, first of all,
I'm very competitive.
504
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,345
So, I don't like to lose.
505
00:34:46,388 --> 00:34:48,738
I have always trained hard.
I have always loved to compete.
506
00:34:48,782 --> 00:34:53,613
So, when I go to the gym, like,
if you and I train together,
then I want to do more than you.
507
00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:57,399
So, if you're doing 10 reps,
I want to do 12, 15 reps.
508
00:34:57,443 --> 00:34:58,661
It doesn't matter who you are.
509
00:34:58,705 --> 00:35:00,533
And I don't like to do
anything half-assed.
510
00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:03,797
How do I beat the guy
that's following the book?
511
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,538
I'm gonna create my own book.
512
00:35:05,581 --> 00:35:07,279
I'm gonna do my own way.
513
00:35:07,322 --> 00:35:09,933
And I'm gonna push myself
so hard
514
00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:12,414
because a lot of us don't know
how much we can really handle.
515
00:35:12,458 --> 00:35:14,460
And I want to win
against the best in the world.
516
00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:26,994
The next athlete
lives on the other side
of the world in Qatar.
517
00:35:27,037 --> 00:35:31,651
At six-foot-three,
Christopher Oketch is able to
display an impressive physique
518
00:35:31,694 --> 00:35:34,219
that could rival
Rob Terry in size.
519
00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:38,353
Despite splitting his time
between strongman
and bodybuilding competitions,
520
00:35:38,397 --> 00:35:42,140
Chris managed to move up
to the third place in 2018.
521
00:35:46,405 --> 00:35:47,754
Oh, hey.
522
00:35:47,797 --> 00:35:49,886
- Let's do it, man. Let's do it.
- Yes, yes.
523
00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:50,887
What do we have here?
524
00:35:58,895 --> 00:36:00,636
In less than two months,
525
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,597
we will see
if he's able to close the gap
and take Rob's title.
526
00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:13,736
My trademark
is that I'm three in one.
527
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:18,263
I'm a bodybuilder,
a strength athlete
and a fitness athlete.
528
00:36:20,439 --> 00:36:23,833
So, in my training,
I get to train the hardest.
529
00:36:23,877 --> 00:36:25,531
Maybe I'm probably the hardest,
you know,
530
00:36:25,574 --> 00:36:28,751
worker in the bodybuilding
or the Mr. Olympia coming up.
531
00:36:31,363 --> 00:36:35,149
And I have to train strength
events and bodybuilding.
532
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:37,195
So, in bodybuilding,
you're training muscles.
533
00:36:37,238 --> 00:36:40,894
In strength events, you...
You're training movements
for time.
534
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:55,256
I was born and raised
in a slum setting
in the streets of Nairobi.
535
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,216
We had very big family,
ten siblings.
536
00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:02,350
Pretty much been very active
all my life.
537
00:37:06,572 --> 00:37:10,358
I chose to stay natural
because why
538
00:37:10,402 --> 00:37:15,972
it's the only way that I could
have gone as far as I could
in this sport.
539
00:37:19,759 --> 00:37:25,330
Chris Oketch is that guy
that comes from a place
that you've never been,
540
00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:28,202
that you've never heard of,
but he comes out of nowhere
and you're like,
541
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:32,075
"Do they all look like this?"
I mean, he's huge.
The guy's enormous.
542
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,124
He's quiet, soft-spoken,
but imposing onstage.
543
00:37:37,167 --> 00:37:41,346
I mean you... You see him
and you could be ten rows
back in the crowd
544
00:37:41,389 --> 00:37:43,391
and he's just larger than life.
545
00:37:53,053 --> 00:37:55,316
Feeling like a new man.
546
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,665
Yeah.
547
00:37:58,841 --> 00:38:02,845
I want to be
that Natural Olympia,
the new Natural Olympia.
548
00:38:02,889 --> 00:38:06,066
And I believe this given that,
you know,
549
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:07,850
from where I come from,
550
00:38:07,894 --> 00:38:13,595
from where I'm at right now
and my discipline.
551
00:38:15,858 --> 00:38:18,905
The idea of being able
to develop a...
552
00:38:18,948 --> 00:38:25,477
A disciplined way of thinking
that shaped
or had a positive effect
553
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,526
on your mental, spiritual,
and physical development,
554
00:38:32,614 --> 00:38:38,664
the thing that I found
to help me do that was cloaked
in this idea of bodybuilding.
555
00:38:38,707 --> 00:38:41,449
Learning how to pose, learning
how to show your physique,
556
00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:43,190
learning how to develop
your physique.
557
00:38:43,233 --> 00:38:47,020
Latissimus dorsi, what is it...
This is beautiful. Wow.
558
00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:48,326
Beautiful.
559
00:38:50,284 --> 00:38:53,374
Bodybuilding
is all about understanding
what are your weaknesses
560
00:38:53,418 --> 00:38:55,898
and working those harder.
561
00:38:55,942 --> 00:39:02,557
So, symmetry, size
and how cut you're able to be,
562
00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:05,473
those are the three main things,
technically.
563
00:39:05,517 --> 00:39:08,041
My whole life is,
is my passion is to... To...
564
00:39:08,084 --> 00:39:12,480
To change bodybuilding
where it really should be,
you know, a beautiful sport.
565
00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:18,834
You know,
this is my heritage, you know,
the history of Greece,
566
00:39:18,878 --> 00:39:20,836
the history of the sports,
the Olympics and it was...
567
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,013
It was the beauty of the...
Of the physique, you know.
568
00:39:24,057 --> 00:39:27,190
The way it was created
was because the direction
of what the bodybuilding
569
00:39:27,234 --> 00:39:28,757
was going in the '80s.
570
00:39:28,801 --> 00:39:32,239
The people were getting freaky,
it was becoming unhealthy,
571
00:39:32,282 --> 00:39:36,025
especially when the women
starting to look like men,
it ruined the sport.
572
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:39,942
I wanted to go back
to what really bodybuilding
should be like.
573
00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:43,772
I thought it was the time for us
to start a new organization
574
00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:49,561
where it's really truly given
even playing field and it's...
It's a natural movement.
575
00:39:49,604 --> 00:39:52,172
Ladies,
face front on the judges.
576
00:39:53,782 --> 00:39:56,437
Natural bodybuilding for me
and the organization
577
00:39:56,481 --> 00:39:59,745
is to promote health,
wellness, life longevity
578
00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:04,489
and to give the elite
natural athletes the platform
to compete and be competitive.
579
00:40:08,144 --> 00:40:12,584
We have never ended
traditional female bodybuilding.
580
00:40:12,627 --> 00:40:14,150
I love female bodybuilding.
581
00:40:14,194 --> 00:40:15,804
We want to be able
to enjoy the...
582
00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:18,590
The beautiful physique of... Of
our... Of our female athletes.
583
00:40:18,633 --> 00:40:23,769
Women's figure
is a very specific subset of
the category, so I think it's...
584
00:40:23,812 --> 00:40:27,381
It's almost not even fair to
not talk about that piece of it
585
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,078
in terms of the division
as a whole.
586
00:40:29,122 --> 00:40:30,993
The women's figure division
587
00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:33,909
is one of the most
competitive categories
in the league.
588
00:40:33,953 --> 00:40:39,219
Alondra Chatman
and Tiffany Stosich are two of the division's top athletes.
589
00:40:42,222 --> 00:40:47,532
Just as male competitors, both women managed to find time to get ready for the competition
590
00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:49,925
while balancing work and family.
591
00:40:52,232 --> 00:40:54,974
I grew up in West Valley,
so it's kind of a rougher area.
592
00:40:55,017 --> 00:40:59,805
My mom was divorced,
so we kind of didn't live
in the nicest places.
593
00:40:59,848 --> 00:41:03,330
We usually rented rooms
from other people
594
00:41:03,373 --> 00:41:06,420
and it was just a hard time
growing up with little money.
595
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,510
And my mom just did what she
could to take care of us, so.
596
00:41:20,869 --> 00:41:22,349
Thanks for looking after us.
597
00:41:22,392 --> 00:41:24,177
So, growing up,
I was kind of like an outcast
598
00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:26,788
and I feel like I didn't grow up
with the best genetics,
599
00:41:26,832 --> 00:41:29,922
like I was always overweight,
I was teased.
600
00:41:29,965 --> 00:41:34,013
And then as soon as I got
into lifting in high school,
601
00:41:34,056 --> 00:41:36,015
I had a coach
that was a bodybuilder
602
00:41:36,058 --> 00:41:38,583
and he wanted me to do
a lot of powerlifting.
603
00:41:38,626 --> 00:41:42,456
So, I felt like it just helped
me learn that through hard work,
604
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,111
you can do anything
that you want.
605
00:41:48,984 --> 00:41:50,551
So, when did you begin
your career as a bodybuilder?
606
00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:56,601
Let's see. That probably
would have been around 2000,
607
00:41:56,644 --> 00:41:58,907
um, that I actually
paid attention to it
608
00:41:58,951 --> 00:42:01,693
as being something
that I might be able to do.
609
00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:04,913
And then, I had a cancer scare,
so that kind of just pushed
610
00:42:04,957 --> 00:42:08,830
everything back for me
not being able to actually
get to the stage.
611
00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:14,575
It's always a challenge
to balance career and family.
612
00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:18,274
Being a wife and a mom,
that's definitely a job.
613
00:42:18,318 --> 00:42:22,801
It's not something
you can ignore in any way
and have it all function.
614
00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:37,598
The gym is more than a job.
I mean, this is my passion.
615
00:42:37,642 --> 00:42:41,167
And, I mean,
I worked for corporate
for several years at Visa.
616
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:45,693
I left that to open a gym.
We had a small facility.
617
00:42:45,737 --> 00:42:47,608
It was just me
when I first opened.
618
00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:50,829
You just kind of make it work
how you can.
619
00:43:04,712 --> 00:43:08,368
I've done probably
around 20 shows in my life.
620
00:43:08,411 --> 00:43:14,200
I've done a lot of different
federations from, um, NPC,
NGA, IFBB Elite Pro,
621
00:43:14,243 --> 00:43:16,463
and then now,
I'm currently with the PNBA.
622
00:43:16,506 --> 00:43:19,118
I just switched to natural
after I had kids
623
00:43:19,161 --> 00:43:22,469
'cause I just realized
that I couldn't compete
in the other leagues.
624
00:43:26,212 --> 00:43:31,434
I can say as a woman,
that every five years or so,
things change slightly.
625
00:43:31,478 --> 00:43:36,918
The more that I am focused on
nutrition and staying consistent
with my workouts,
626
00:43:36,962 --> 00:43:38,920
the less change I see.
627
00:43:38,964 --> 00:43:44,360
The strategy that I have
right now is to maintain
and even slightly improve
628
00:43:44,404 --> 00:43:46,014
on what I brought
to the last show.
629
00:43:49,931 --> 00:43:52,804
I'm naturally a bigger girl
630
00:43:52,847 --> 00:43:56,808
and I know like
with being a bigger girl,
I can build muscle easily,
631
00:43:56,851 --> 00:43:58,636
but it's not easy for me
to stay lean.
632
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,421
I have to like really watch
what I eat.
633
00:44:01,464 --> 00:44:05,817
And then having hypothyroidism
is another, like, downfall
with bodybuilding,
634
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:08,210
it's like my...
My metabolism is really slow,
635
00:44:08,254 --> 00:44:11,344
so, it's just having to like
work even harder.
636
00:44:15,522 --> 00:44:19,874
I want to walk home with again
the... The gold medal and say,
637
00:44:19,918 --> 00:44:24,009
"Hey, all this work
that I've been doing
for the last two years
638
00:44:24,052 --> 00:44:26,794
ended up with me coming home
with that first place,"
639
00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:32,800
because that's literally
the biggest show of the year
and everyone wants to win.
640
00:44:32,844 --> 00:44:34,584
Everyone is coming for that win.
641
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:39,459
I've always been
a hundred percent natural.
642
00:44:39,502 --> 00:44:42,897
The reason why I decided
when I got into the next level
643
00:44:42,941 --> 00:44:45,073
is when everyone was starting
to take steroids
644
00:44:45,117 --> 00:44:48,381
and I just said
that's not what I'm gonna do
645
00:44:48,424 --> 00:44:50,731
and I'm gonna prove
everyone wrong
that I can do it without that.
646
00:44:56,606 --> 00:44:59,740
What's a typical
bodybuilder's anabolic cycle
looking like?
647
00:44:59,784 --> 00:45:04,832
There's probably 2000 chemicals
that have been... That...
That have been derived.
648
00:45:04,876 --> 00:45:11,099
But there's about 150 that have
been produced in the world.
And there's about 25.
649
00:45:11,143 --> 00:45:17,149
Anadrol, Dbol, testosterone,
esters, nor-19 drugs,
650
00:45:17,192 --> 00:45:20,718
DHT derivatives,
testosterone derivatives.
651
00:45:20,761 --> 00:45:23,285
Those are steroids.
Then you go on to SARMs.
652
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:27,376
There's a bunch of SARMs, right,
there's about five or ten SARMs.
653
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:31,554
It sounds great for SARM,
Selective Androgen Receptor
Modulator, right?
654
00:45:31,598 --> 00:45:37,082
There's no question
that the future in real
chemistry and science
655
00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:39,649
is looking to a SARM.
656
00:45:39,693 --> 00:45:43,392
The natural bodybuilders,
however, are only limited to over-the-counter supplements
657
00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:47,788
such as protein, amino acids,
creatine, and vitamins.
658
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,099
As the result, natural physiques look drastically different
from the enhanced.
659
00:45:54,142 --> 00:45:55,883
You can judge for yourself.
660
00:46:04,631 --> 00:46:08,243
So, steroids,
how dangerous are they really?
661
00:46:08,287 --> 00:46:12,204
When you look
at the research where
performance-enhanced athletes,
662
00:46:12,247 --> 00:46:15,816
especially bodybuilders, when
they get into their 40s and 50s,
663
00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:20,342
they have lots of challenges
with heart, with liver,
with kidneys,
664
00:46:20,386 --> 00:46:22,997
with brain
and all of this function.
665
00:46:23,041 --> 00:46:26,218
It has everything to do with
this so-called steal syndrome
666
00:46:26,261 --> 00:46:31,223
because they're stealing energy
away from those organs
to maintain that muscle.
667
00:46:31,266 --> 00:46:36,097
Steroids are creating
more muscle tissue
because you recover faster,
668
00:46:36,141 --> 00:46:39,144
you put on more muscle
than your body would naturally
allow you.
669
00:46:39,187 --> 00:46:42,277
And so, the bigger you get,
artificially,
670
00:46:42,321 --> 00:46:45,019
the more you steal energy
from those other organs
671
00:46:45,063 --> 00:46:47,239
and you cause problems there
long term.
672
00:46:47,282 --> 00:46:53,114
When you use regular steroids,
I don't care if you're 18,
19, 20 or 45,
673
00:46:53,158 --> 00:46:55,508
and you gain
that kind of weight, you know
what happens, Sir?
674
00:46:55,551 --> 00:46:57,379
Do you understand what happens?
675
00:46:57,423 --> 00:47:00,861
If you grow this,
you're gonna grow
the left ventricle of the heart.
676
00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:06,258
Mm-hmm. Now, you do it
in four or five months,
probably microscopic changes.
677
00:47:06,301 --> 00:47:07,999
You're not gonna see it
on a gross level.
678
00:47:08,042 --> 00:47:11,959
You keep doing it,
it's just gonna be like
anything else, Sir.
679
00:47:12,003 --> 00:47:14,614
You're gonna end up
having side effects.
680
00:47:14,657 --> 00:47:18,748
Natural bodybuilding aside,
bodybuilding and fitness,
in general,
681
00:47:18,792 --> 00:47:21,839
is about health and to...
To kind of have
the understanding
682
00:47:21,882 --> 00:47:26,060
that because
this is a controlled substance,
that we won't study it
683
00:47:26,104 --> 00:47:30,412
to prove how dangerous
or I'll go the extra mile,
684
00:47:30,456 --> 00:47:35,287
or to disprove
that it's not dangerous,
is dangerous in and of itself.
685
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:38,681
Is it true
if you take enough steroids
and you do different things,
686
00:47:38,725 --> 00:47:41,641
are you able to have
a higher-level performance?
Absolutely.
687
00:47:41,684 --> 00:47:45,079
For people to say you don't,
they're stupid, right?
688
00:47:45,123 --> 00:47:48,648
But what it does is
it can take someone
that's already training hard
689
00:47:48,691 --> 00:47:51,912
and all that and doing great
make him a little bit better.
690
00:47:51,956 --> 00:47:54,088
And so, they do do that,
absolutely.
691
00:47:54,132 --> 00:47:56,134
But the problem is,
692
00:47:56,177 --> 00:48:00,399
is they do it at a cost
and we don't know what that cost
is for each individual.
693
00:48:00,442 --> 00:48:05,708
I don't think that natural
bodybuilders
or natural bodybuilding exists
694
00:48:05,752 --> 00:48:10,670
because it's not natural
to take the body
to a super muscular state.
695
00:48:10,713 --> 00:48:12,454
That's not necessary
for survival.
696
00:48:12,498 --> 00:48:15,544
I mean, the problem is,
that everybody thinks
steroids are bad.
697
00:48:15,588 --> 00:48:17,720
I don't believe they're bad.
698
00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:20,245
I believe they're tools
to enhance our quality of life,
to enhance our performance,
699
00:48:20,288 --> 00:48:23,248
to take us places the human body
couldn't otherwise go.
700
00:48:23,291 --> 00:48:26,338
Everybody's on steroids.
Everybody.
701
00:48:26,381 --> 00:48:31,473
From the doctor to the lawyer,
to the judge,
to the guy who plays, you know,
702
00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:37,392
weekend golf, to the girl
who just wants to lose weight,
everybody's taking it.
703
00:48:38,437 --> 00:48:43,659
Because I was natural
and still able to be 260 pounds
in my offseason,
704
00:48:43,703 --> 00:48:47,794
when I went into the natural
competitions
and natural organizations,
705
00:48:47,837 --> 00:48:52,842
won in short teenage class
and the overall.
706
00:48:52,886 --> 00:48:57,108
And when it came to the idea
of taking enhancements
707
00:48:57,151 --> 00:49:02,287
to become even bigger
and better athlete,
708
00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:06,595
that was, at some point,
very seductive.
709
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:11,122
A lot of times when you say
you're natural or do do drugs,
especially PEDs,
710
00:49:11,165 --> 00:49:12,775
it is "technically cheating".
711
00:49:12,819 --> 00:49:14,603
Steroid is such an ugly word to
the world, you know what I mean?
712
00:49:14,647 --> 00:49:16,605
They use it in such
a bad connotation.
713
00:49:16,649 --> 00:49:19,043
When something's bad, it's...
That's on steroids, you know.
714
00:49:19,086 --> 00:49:20,435
But the funny thing is
when you're sick,
715
00:49:20,479 --> 00:49:22,002
when you're hurt,
if you're burnt or anything,
716
00:49:22,046 --> 00:49:23,873
the first thing you take
is a steroid to get you better.
717
00:49:23,917 --> 00:49:28,052
The fact
that when you're on steroids,
everything changes, you know.
718
00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:32,404
There's a whole feeling.
It... It's...
It's a euphoric feeling.
719
00:49:32,447 --> 00:49:34,972
When you take anabolic steroids,
it's a euphoric feeling.
720
00:49:35,015 --> 00:49:39,977
I think anybody, athlete-wise,
is tempted to take it
because it enhances everything.
721
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:43,415
Football players do it.
Baseball players do it.
We know that it in all sports.
722
00:49:43,458 --> 00:49:47,854
Gymnasts do it. Swimmers do it.
Um, it makes you better.
723
00:49:48,898 --> 00:49:51,989
So, it really just comes down
to the individual
how bad do they want it.
724
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,515
The use of anabolics
goes way beyond bodybuilding.
725
00:49:56,558 --> 00:49:58,038
It goes beyond sports.
726
00:49:58,082 --> 00:50:00,867
It's common in the entertainment industry as well,
727
00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:06,481
where stars are required to go through radical transformations in a matter of months.
728
00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:09,919
Are steroids prominent
in Hollywood? Yes.
729
00:50:09,963 --> 00:50:12,618
You know,
from one screen performance
to the next, you know,
730
00:50:12,661 --> 00:50:15,403
some people have immense
muscle growth,
731
00:50:15,447 --> 00:50:17,884
massive development in...
In that short time.
732
00:50:17,927 --> 00:50:19,320
A lot of it
can't be done naturally.
733
00:50:19,364 --> 00:50:22,671
Now, I've had actors in the past
or pro athletes show up
734
00:50:22,715 --> 00:50:26,284
that I've never worked with
that have started alluding
to questions on that
735
00:50:26,327 --> 00:50:28,808
and I just can't answer him
because I just don't know.
736
00:50:28,851 --> 00:50:32,072
It's just not a world that
I want to be affiliated with.
737
00:50:32,116 --> 00:50:33,682
Any actor
I have ever worked with,
738
00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:36,294
every film
that we've gotten them
ready for,
739
00:50:36,337 --> 00:50:38,905
we've all looked at it
at the end
and we've been really proud of.
740
00:50:38,948 --> 00:50:42,126
Whether they've had enough time
or they haven't had
enough time, it's okay.
741
00:50:42,169 --> 00:50:45,825
When you tighten things up,
nutritionally,
from a training standpoint,
742
00:50:45,868 --> 00:50:47,870
from a recovery standpoint,
743
00:50:47,914 --> 00:50:50,482
and you really start tweaking
things that people
just don't want to tweak,
744
00:50:50,525 --> 00:50:52,788
you'd be shocked to see
what the body can do.
745
00:50:52,832 --> 00:50:54,268
The times have changed.
746
00:50:54,312 --> 00:50:56,705
We look at the superheroes
from 20 years ago to now.
747
00:50:56,749 --> 00:50:59,969
You had, you know,
you had Arnold and Van Damme
and Stallone,
748
00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:02,363
now you have Robert Downey Jr.
and Chris Evans,
749
00:51:02,407 --> 00:51:06,367
the image of the superhero
is not massive, muscular freaky.
750
00:51:06,411 --> 00:51:08,282
You don't see guys
like me anymore.
751
00:51:08,326 --> 00:51:11,590
You see more the European look,
the slim look.
752
00:51:24,385 --> 00:51:29,477
Natural bodybuilding
is a passion and a source
of pride for its competitors,
753
00:51:29,521 --> 00:51:31,175
but it doesn't pay
all the bills.
754
00:51:32,698 --> 00:51:35,266
While many athletes
stay entrenched in fitness
755
00:51:35,309 --> 00:51:39,357
as personal trainers,
nutritionists, or gym owners,
756
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,230
others have chosen occupations outside of the fitness industry.
757
00:51:44,144 --> 00:51:48,235
Rob Terry is a firefighter for the city of St. Petersburg, Florida.
758
00:51:48,279 --> 00:51:51,717
He usually spends long shifts
on call at the firehouse.
759
00:51:58,811 --> 00:52:00,334
What's up, guys?
760
00:52:00,378 --> 00:52:02,162
I'd heard we
hired a professional athlete
761
00:52:02,206 --> 00:52:04,904
and when I first saw him,
I was like, "That's a big dude."
762
00:52:04,947 --> 00:52:08,037
So, it was kind of interesting
and he came through here
763
00:52:08,081 --> 00:52:09,822
and I knew that we wanted him
as part of this family.
764
00:52:09,865 --> 00:52:13,608
Since he has been here,
everybody is really tuned
into him
765
00:52:13,652 --> 00:52:15,958
and what he's doing and
following him and supporting him
766
00:52:16,002 --> 00:52:18,396
and we're trying to watch
what he's doing.
767
00:52:18,439 --> 00:52:22,313
And he's very dedicated to it
and it's... It's fun to watch.
768
00:52:24,141 --> 00:52:25,794
Some hot sauce.
769
00:52:25,838 --> 00:52:27,579
I'll take...
You know what,
I'll take some hot sauce.
770
00:52:28,493 --> 00:52:30,756
One thing that I do
with personnel
when they come through is,
771
00:52:30,799 --> 00:52:35,195
I sit down and talk with them
and try to find out
what makes them tick,
772
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:40,374
inspire them, and motivate them,
but I can't really inspire Rob.
773
00:52:40,418 --> 00:52:43,682
He... He's so disciplined
with everything that he does,
774
00:52:43,725 --> 00:52:46,772
there's really not much that
I can teach him on discipline.
775
00:52:46,815 --> 00:52:49,862
- Do a lot of other
stations know that he's here?
- Everyone knows.
776
00:52:49,905 --> 00:52:51,168
Yeah, everybody knows.
777
00:52:53,126 --> 00:52:55,346
I was talking
to a friend of mine who works
in Hillsborough County...
778
00:52:58,479 --> 00:52:59,959
...and he was telling me
how much weight he's gained
and this and that.
779
00:53:00,002 --> 00:53:02,701
And he was like,
"Well, I'm no Rob Terry, but..."
780
00:53:02,744 --> 00:53:05,486
I'm like, "How do you even know
Rob Terry?"
781
00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:07,488
He eats his cereal with coffee.
782
00:53:08,359 --> 00:53:10,187
- I had a lot of questions
about that.
- Yeah.
783
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:13,407
Every morning
just the whole thing
of black coffee.
784
00:53:13,451 --> 00:53:16,715
- Yeah, pours black coffee in his
cereal and stirs it up and...
- It saves time, right?
785
00:53:16,758 --> 00:53:18,282
- Well, you're following
the chicken stock...
- Yes, yeah.
786
00:53:18,325 --> 00:53:20,936
- ...with coffee right now.
- That's true.
787
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:23,200
Go get them.
788
00:53:23,243 --> 00:53:24,723
Don't let the old man beat you,
Rob.
789
00:53:26,681 --> 00:53:31,120
- I'll give it my best shot.
790
00:53:33,732 --> 00:53:36,822
Keeping a day job,
it is difficult for us
791
00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:39,781
because, you know,
if you wake up at00 a.m.
792
00:53:39,825 --> 00:53:42,741
to do an hour of the workout
and 30 minutes of cardio,
793
00:53:42,784 --> 00:53:45,265
that's like the first six weeks
of training.
794
00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:47,267
Who's to say you're not going
to need a second training,
795
00:53:47,311 --> 00:53:50,052
or that you do that seven days
a week with a newborn kid.
796
00:53:50,096 --> 00:53:54,535
Um, if I win a bodybuilding show
in the Naturals,
even if I do, you know,
797
00:53:54,579 --> 00:53:58,191
the major world championship,
what am I winning,
five, seven grand if I'm lucky.
798
00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:03,457
So, it's one of those real
double-edged swords
that what makes lasting pros
799
00:54:03,501 --> 00:54:06,155
is their ability to handle
that type of stressor.
800
00:54:09,202 --> 00:54:11,639
Early in the year,
I just went through a whole
bunch of, you know, stuff.
801
00:54:11,683 --> 00:54:14,468
My dad passed away.
My mother had passed
the year prior.
802
00:54:14,512 --> 00:54:17,558
So, I was trying to,
you know, deal with him
803
00:54:17,602 --> 00:54:18,733
because I was going
back and forth.
804
00:54:18,777 --> 00:54:20,953
He lived in Philadelphia
805
00:54:20,996 --> 00:54:23,869
and I was just kind of helping
care for him in the hospital,
hospital and hospice.
806
00:54:23,912 --> 00:54:29,614
And after he passed away,
being the oldest, I had
to take care of all of his,
807
00:54:29,657 --> 00:54:33,313
you know, things that have
to do when you die, obviously.
808
00:54:33,357 --> 00:54:37,752
So, there's a lot of stress.
And then I was having to watch
my kids full time
809
00:54:37,796 --> 00:54:39,928
and take them back and forth
to school and go to work.
810
00:54:39,972 --> 00:54:43,410
I had to try to pick them up
from school one day early
811
00:54:43,454 --> 00:54:47,196
and try to also get
a funeral arrangement done
and I wrecked my car.
812
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:51,157
I had a SUV wrecked.
It was like everything
was just kind of spiraling.
813
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,943
And then about a month later,
after the funeral,
I lost my job.
814
00:54:54,987 --> 00:54:57,598
So, it was like,
"Wow, what is going on?"
815
00:54:57,642 --> 00:55:01,776
I just felt kind of spiritually
attacked and everything in life
that I thought was so important
816
00:55:01,820 --> 00:55:03,909
kind of seemed a little bit
less important.
817
00:55:03,952 --> 00:55:06,694
And now that I have
this opportunity with this job,
818
00:55:06,738 --> 00:55:11,960
I feel a lot more convicted
to work a lot harder
819
00:55:12,004 --> 00:55:14,572
and to just realize
that I'm very lucky,
820
00:55:14,615 --> 00:55:16,922
very blessed
to have the things that I have
821
00:55:16,965 --> 00:55:20,099
and be able
to be financially secure,
822
00:55:20,142 --> 00:55:22,580
'cause I'd never would
even thought about competing,
you know,
823
00:55:22,623 --> 00:55:25,409
in a competition coming up soon
in two weeks.
824
00:55:25,452 --> 00:55:27,498
That was like the farthest thing
from my mind.
825
00:55:27,541 --> 00:55:30,718
Even just going to the gym
was... It was a struggle
and challenge.
826
00:55:30,762 --> 00:55:34,200
But I'm just really shocked
that I'm in this position.
827
00:55:34,243 --> 00:55:36,855
So, did my best
to get in shape for the show,
828
00:55:36,898 --> 00:55:40,641
but right now, uh,
first things first,
going to work.
829
00:55:56,614 --> 00:55:58,267
Hello, ladies. Good morning.
830
00:55:59,530 --> 00:56:02,402
Uh, oops, let me put my
hat back on.
831
00:56:02,446 --> 00:56:04,099
As you can tell, it's Halloween.
832
00:56:04,143 --> 00:56:06,188
- Hello.
- Hi.
833
00:56:06,232 --> 00:56:09,583
And this is
the temptation that I have to go
through every single day.
834
00:56:09,627 --> 00:56:12,281
We actually dress
like this every day.
835
00:56:12,325 --> 00:56:16,590
When you see him
in his short sleeves and you see
these muscles bulging out,
836
00:56:16,634 --> 00:56:20,855
it's like you got to go
and then ask further exactly
what it is that he's doing.
837
00:56:20,899 --> 00:56:23,292
Then he was eating
all this strange food.
838
00:56:23,336 --> 00:56:26,295
So, we knew there was something
behind all that.
839
00:56:26,339 --> 00:56:30,256
So, I'd get to see some
of the other people
that he's competing against
840
00:56:30,299 --> 00:56:32,693
and so, they get to see
the caliber.
841
00:56:32,737 --> 00:56:36,436
And the fact
that it's all natural, you know,
it is a big deal, right?
842
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,006
The extent of someone
that has a full-time job,
that is technically challenging
843
00:56:41,049 --> 00:56:45,924
but still somehow finds time
to compete at that level
is not just impressive
844
00:56:45,967 --> 00:56:47,926
but it's also very
inspirational, motivational.
845
00:56:54,323 --> 00:56:57,414
Is it difficult to combine
bodybuilding, like, competing
846
00:56:57,457 --> 00:56:59,241
and also, you know,
being a full-time agent?
847
00:56:59,285 --> 00:57:01,461
So, I mean, it is challenging.
848
00:57:01,505 --> 00:57:06,597
Um, I mean, sometimes I wish
that I had a job like most
of my fellow competitors do,
849
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,294
you know, in the gym
where I'm in the gym all day
850
00:57:08,337 --> 00:57:11,079
and in between clients I can,
you know, knock out,
851
00:57:11,123 --> 00:57:12,951
you know,
my workout or whatever.
852
00:57:12,994 --> 00:57:18,043
But I worked cartels,
which was... Which was exciting,
exciting jobs.
853
00:57:18,086 --> 00:57:20,175
- Investi... Like investigation?
- Yeah,
investigation, yep.
854
00:57:20,219 --> 00:57:24,397
Uh, then I moved on
to a gang violent crime squad.
855
00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:30,708
So, kidnappings, uh,
murder-for-hire, uh, all that...
Those type of violent gangs.
856
00:57:30,751 --> 00:57:32,144
It was my... Kind of my thing.
857
00:57:32,187 --> 00:57:36,714
I knew bodybuilders
that worked blue-collar jobs,
858
00:57:36,757 --> 00:57:42,197
tracklayers, carpenters,
plumbers.
859
00:57:42,241 --> 00:57:46,593
They worked 10 hours, 12 hours,
and then you know what,
860
00:57:46,637 --> 00:57:50,858
they made their way to the gym
and they trained like animals.
861
00:57:52,991 --> 00:57:56,647
When you take,
you know, anabolic steroids
or drugs,
862
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:59,650
they're mainly taken so that
it helps you recover quickly.
863
00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:02,653
You're putting
something foreign in your body
that is a recovery agent,
864
00:58:02,696 --> 00:58:05,830
so, you can continue to not
only work out longer and harder,
865
00:58:05,873 --> 00:58:10,878
but it's helping you to heal up
so you can recover
from the muscle breakdown
866
00:58:10,922 --> 00:58:14,534
and then you can go ahead
and workout again and work out
heavier and stronger.
867
00:58:14,578 --> 00:58:18,538
And as a natural athlete,
you don't have those type
of things that you can use
868
00:58:18,582 --> 00:58:20,235
so, you have to be smart
with your nutrition,
869
00:58:20,279 --> 00:58:24,022
your training,
to where you choose a body part
that, you know,
870
00:58:24,065 --> 00:58:27,329
you train it one day,
but you got to give enough time
to recover and get enough sleep.
871
00:58:30,376 --> 00:58:32,813
Half an inch
to three-quarter of an inch
on your arms today.
872
00:58:33,858 --> 00:58:38,210
Being a champion
and holding the title
requires constant maintenance
873
00:58:38,253 --> 00:58:40,299
both in and out of the gym.
874
00:58:42,388 --> 00:58:43,520
Oh, yeah, I feel that.
875
00:58:52,441 --> 00:58:56,576
Usually, when you're
training with weight, towards
like rep six to eight,
876
00:58:56,620 --> 00:59:00,275
you get that crazy burn,
fat pump and everything else.
877
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:04,453
With this, it starts from rep
one, so it's as soon as you...
878
00:59:04,497 --> 00:59:06,804
You touch that
and Chris says "Go",
879
00:59:06,847 --> 00:59:09,110
man, it's intense straight off
the bat, you know what I mean?
880
00:59:09,154 --> 00:59:11,330
But, uh, it's all worth it.
881
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:14,246
No pain no gain, right?
882
00:59:16,074 --> 00:59:17,945
The back and forth padding,
the bicep and tricep,
883
00:59:17,989 --> 00:59:22,646
so that was a prime example
of a loaded stretch both ways.
884
00:59:22,689 --> 00:59:25,126
So, he was getting the best
of both worlds at the same time.
885
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:28,129
So, I can tell
Rob's central nervous system
is really healthy.
886
00:59:28,173 --> 00:59:32,090
He can handle a lot more current
than the normal person
that starts on the machine.
887
00:59:32,133 --> 00:59:34,353
Sometimes there's a...
There's a primer phase.
888
00:59:34,396 --> 00:59:37,443
I was able to skip
the primer phase and take him
right into training.
889
00:59:37,486 --> 00:59:42,013
So, uh,
it was really impressive.
I.. expected nothing less.
890
00:59:42,056 --> 00:59:44,363
keeping the blood flow,
that's diff, uh...
891
00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:46,017
Is that different?
892
00:59:46,060 --> 00:59:49,194
There's no... A paper cut would
be deadly right now, my friend.
893
00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:53,720
- Keep that paper away from me.
- All right.
894
01:00:04,949 --> 01:00:07,778
So, this is just a pattern work
using thermal imaging.
895
01:00:07,821 --> 01:00:10,650
So, sympathetic nervous system,
parasympathetic.
896
01:00:10,694 --> 01:00:12,521
They both go like this
all day long.
897
01:00:12,565 --> 01:00:15,089
What ends up happening
is if one's high
and it's always revved.
898
01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:17,309
That means he's not gonna heal
like he should.
899
01:00:17,352 --> 01:00:21,792
To the center and to the left.
900
01:00:22,793 --> 01:00:25,143
Push it, push it, push it.
To the center.
901
01:00:25,186 --> 01:00:29,147
Keeping him strong here
will keep him strong
rest of his life.
902
01:00:37,851 --> 01:00:39,331
Good, let's see what we got.
903
01:00:41,986 --> 01:00:45,163
Let's go do some scraping.
Let's do it, the fun stuff.
904
01:00:51,952 --> 01:00:53,519
Which side you want to start?
905
01:00:53,562 --> 01:00:55,521
Ah, we'll just start
with left side.
906
01:00:55,564 --> 01:00:56,391
Left side.
907
01:00:59,133 --> 01:01:00,961
It can be pretty painful
and he knows that, you know,
908
01:01:01,005 --> 01:01:02,484
I don't want him
to lighten up on me.
909
01:01:04,661 --> 01:01:06,750
We talked about that at the
beginning, you know, we...
We go, you know, so. Yeah.
910
01:01:06,793 --> 01:01:09,143
There were some people
I got to, you know, even my...
911
01:01:09,187 --> 01:01:11,580
What I call my desk jockeys,
I got to go light.
912
01:01:11,624 --> 01:01:13,626
They can't take the level
of pain that he can,
913
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:16,977
but the more that this is done,
A, the easier it is,
914
01:01:17,021 --> 01:01:20,720
but the, B,
you just get kinda used to it
and by it's cool.
915
01:01:20,764 --> 01:01:21,634
There's release.
916
01:01:23,244 --> 01:01:25,507
Because with some people when
I do, it lasts like 10 days.
917
01:01:25,551 --> 01:01:29,294
- They get like, well, I did your
lat what, a couple of weeks ago?
- Mm-hmm.
918
01:01:29,337 --> 01:01:36,388
That thing was
magenta, fire-red, like real bad
like, but he also heals quicker.
919
01:01:36,431 --> 01:01:40,697
Between his eating, between
all the other stuff he's doing,
he's recovering really fast.
920
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:44,048
People will eat like crap
and that takes a lot longer.
921
01:01:45,658 --> 01:01:47,094
Sweatin' It
922
01:01:48,748 --> 01:01:49,618
You and me, both.
923
01:01:50,794 --> 01:01:52,360
I'm doing all the work here.
924
01:01:54,058 --> 01:01:54,885
All right.
925
01:01:56,364 --> 01:01:58,540
.
926
01:01:58,584 --> 01:02:00,673
- Holy snap!
927
01:02:03,894 --> 01:02:05,069
Yeah, look at that.
928
01:02:08,812 --> 01:02:15,775
Chiropractic is more
of a mechanical, biomechanical
balancing of muscles
929
01:02:15,819 --> 01:02:20,562
and joints, the spine,
your facade as we see it.
930
01:02:20,606 --> 01:02:25,785
But really, that facade is held
up by the structure behind it
931
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:28,745
which is all of your cells,
all of your organs
932
01:02:28,788 --> 01:02:33,837
and all of what makes
that area of your life healthy.
933
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,058
And so, by me using
the science that I learned,
934
01:02:38,102 --> 01:02:43,629
I am able to keep my cells
functioning more optimally
so that my facade,
935
01:02:43,672 --> 01:02:45,674
which is my physical body,
936
01:02:45,718 --> 01:02:51,202
can be used further down the
road without running out of gas.
937
01:02:51,245 --> 01:02:53,508
So, that tells me
there's something going on.
938
01:02:53,552 --> 01:02:56,381
That you're probably tighter
from this side, okay?
939
01:02:56,424 --> 01:02:58,687
There's something happening
in here we got to work on.
940
01:02:58,731 --> 01:03:01,734
So, that way, you are making
sure you're standing
completely upright.
941
01:03:01,778 --> 01:03:04,563
Everything else from this view
looks perfect.
942
01:03:04,606 --> 01:03:07,479
You...
You have to maintain your facade
which are...
943
01:03:07,522 --> 01:03:12,310
Is your body from the internal
cellular level
and when you can...
944
01:03:12,353 --> 01:03:15,617
Can maintain
that inner workings,
945
01:03:15,661 --> 01:03:19,708
you can continue to advance
and enhance your physique.
946
01:03:19,752 --> 01:03:21,406
We call it mature muscle.
947
01:03:21,449 --> 01:03:25,192
And muscularity
comes mainly from, uh, age.
948
01:03:25,236 --> 01:03:28,848
If you have that muscularity
when you flex,
you definitely see it come out.
949
01:03:28,892 --> 01:03:34,332
The conditioning side of that
muscularity is when you diet
and you train long enough
950
01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:37,857
that you're actually making
your skin thin enough
951
01:03:37,901 --> 01:03:40,991
to where you're able to see
those extra striations
coming out.
952
01:03:41,034 --> 01:03:44,908
So, you can see some older guys
that may have more muscularity,
953
01:03:44,951 --> 01:03:48,563
but then if the younger guy
has more conditioning
and you see stuff popping out,
954
01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:51,871
it'll make them look
more muscular
and you see more definition.
955
01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:53,873
So, like you should be able
to see like an anatomy chart.
956
01:03:53,917 --> 01:03:55,440
That's kind of how
I would look at it.
957
01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:57,442
You're trying your best
to look like an anatomy chart.
958
01:03:57,485 --> 01:04:00,575
I think that's the kind
of distinction between the two.
959
01:04:00,619 --> 01:04:03,230
Over time, the body likes...
Will adapt, right?
960
01:04:03,274 --> 01:04:06,973
And epigenetics, you're able to
actually control your genetics
961
01:04:07,017 --> 01:04:10,150
to a point by your environment
and your stimulus.
962
01:04:10,194 --> 01:04:12,631
And if you consistently
stimulate the muscles
963
01:04:12,674 --> 01:04:15,503
and they get used
to working out often,
964
01:04:15,547 --> 01:04:18,855
then over time, you get those
larger mature muscles
965
01:04:18,898 --> 01:04:21,945
that, um, is usually a little
bit older group
966
01:04:21,988 --> 01:04:23,424
that you'll see
in the natural world
967
01:04:23,468 --> 01:04:26,384
that really come out
because of the muscle maturity.
968
01:04:26,427 --> 01:04:32,999
And it's just that constant, uh,
consistent work that they put in
year after year after year.
969
01:04:33,043 --> 01:04:37,308
And in Rob's case the, you know,
five to seven days a week,
970
01:04:37,351 --> 01:04:39,266
pretty much his whole life,
you know,
971
01:04:39,310 --> 01:04:42,835
working out at his level
and being blessed with some
good genetics and the...
972
01:04:42,879 --> 01:04:45,751
And the right training
and nutrition,
he's been able to pull it off.
973
01:04:49,537 --> 01:04:53,628
Three hundred grams of this.
This is every day.
974
01:04:55,369 --> 01:04:57,589
As competition draws closer,
975
01:04:57,632 --> 01:05:01,245
athletes begin dropping fat
by restricting
and adjusting their diets
976
01:05:01,288 --> 01:05:03,638
to visually enhance look
and size of the muscle.
977
01:05:03,682 --> 01:05:05,118
2 Grams off.
978
01:05:08,426 --> 01:05:10,384
Where I am right now
with my prep,
979
01:05:10,428 --> 01:05:13,518
I would just sparingly space
my meals throughout the day
980
01:05:13,561 --> 01:05:16,564
because I have such an early
start, you got to think
it's gonna be a long day.
981
01:05:16,608 --> 01:05:19,219
From- 00 a.m.
to potentially- 00 p.m.
982
01:05:19,263 --> 01:05:21,787
or even later,
depending on when we have calls,
983
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:25,138
I just need to space out my food
throughout the day.
984
01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:28,402
Tomorrow is when that happens.
985
01:05:32,276 --> 01:05:37,977
For now, we keep it
about eight meals a day.
986
01:05:38,021 --> 01:05:40,023
Three weeks before a show,
987
01:05:41,546 --> 01:05:45,724
then have to eliminate
some things out.
988
01:05:46,768 --> 01:05:53,645
So, I'd have chicken
with, uh, less condiments.
989
01:05:59,085 --> 01:06:01,914
You have to have
a calorie surplus, not deficit.
990
01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:05,004
So, you have to eat
enough calories
and get the right macronutrients
991
01:06:05,048 --> 01:06:07,050
so, you're building muscle,
getting enough protein,
992
01:06:07,093 --> 01:06:10,227
but you're also having enough
carbohydrates and fats
to cushion your muscles,
993
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:13,273
cushion your tendons, so when
you're working heavy, you know,
you're not getting injured.
994
01:06:19,758 --> 01:06:24,937
In bodybuilding,
you have genetics, you have
work, dieting, and chemicals.
995
01:06:24,981 --> 01:06:26,983
Which is the most important
in your opinion?
996
01:06:28,506 --> 01:06:31,639
It is the food.
You ask any professional
bodybuilder
997
01:06:31,683 --> 01:06:34,251
from Jay Cutler
to Ronnie Coleman to
Dexter Jackson to Phil Heath,
998
01:06:34,294 --> 01:06:36,905
they'll all tell you...
Everyone will tell you the
same thing, it's the food.
999
01:06:38,298 --> 01:06:41,867
Genetic is number one.
Okay, genetics is number one.
1000
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:47,699
I don't care who you are
or how hard you train,
I mean, the genetics is supreme.
1001
01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:52,704
Hard work, genetics have a huge,
probably one and two
over anything
1002
01:06:52,747 --> 01:06:54,401
because a lot of people
are gonna just take drugs
1003
01:06:54,445 --> 01:06:56,186
and still look like shit,
you know what I mean?
1004
01:06:56,229 --> 01:06:59,058
So, you do need
the hard work and you definitely
need the genetics.
1005
01:06:59,102 --> 01:07:02,148
So then comes the... Then comes
probably the drug part.
1006
01:07:02,192 --> 01:07:06,370
Everyone always says it's,
you know, 80-percent nutrition,
20-percent training
1007
01:07:06,413 --> 01:07:08,024
and I always kind of go
against that
1008
01:07:08,067 --> 01:07:09,808
and I say
it's a hundred percent mental
1009
01:07:09,851 --> 01:07:12,550
because I've seen people
who are not genetically gifted
individuals
1010
01:07:12,593 --> 01:07:15,074
do some pretty incredible things
with their body.
1011
01:07:15,118 --> 01:07:17,468
And I feel like it really
just comes down to discipline.
1012
01:07:17,511 --> 01:07:19,687
What makes
lasting pros isn't genetics.
1013
01:07:19,731 --> 01:07:22,864
The most important piece of
bodybuilding is a frame of mind
1014
01:07:22,908 --> 01:07:26,129
and the frame of mind needs
to be on season, off season,
1015
01:07:26,172 --> 01:07:29,306
at the show,
after the show, on social media.
1016
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:33,005
Like all of these things will
make you the best bodybuilder.
1017
01:08:32,325 --> 01:08:35,154
Whatever he hits, he destroys.
1018
01:08:35,198 --> 01:08:38,505
Can you kind of explain the, uh,
bodybuilding in a nutshell,
1019
01:08:38,549 --> 01:08:41,900
meaning that the cycle
leading up to the stage?
1020
01:08:41,943 --> 01:08:45,773
Meaning that you have
to bulk up, then you have
to cut, deplete yourself.
1021
01:08:45,817 --> 01:08:47,775
Anytime you're getting ready
for a show,
1022
01:08:47,819 --> 01:08:51,257
what you want to do
is take an off period, uh,
so you can put on muscle.
1023
01:08:51,301 --> 01:08:56,349
And during that time,
that 12 weeks, you'll raise
your cardio periodically,
1024
01:08:56,393 --> 01:08:58,699
you'll cut the calories
periodically
1025
01:08:58,743 --> 01:09:04,531
and then just keep trying
to recover and retain
all the muscle you possibly have
1026
01:09:04,575 --> 01:09:08,579
because at that stage,
it's hard to put on muscle
because you're in a deficit.
1027
01:09:08,622 --> 01:09:12,409
So, especially for the natural
bodybuilders, it's the toughest
thing in the world.
1028
01:09:15,238 --> 01:09:17,588
I'm drinking
my two gallons of water,
1029
01:09:17,631 --> 01:09:20,721
maybe the day
before I'll go to maybe a gallon
and three-quarters,
1030
01:09:20,765 --> 01:09:24,116
um, may be the lowest,
a gallon and a half,
1031
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:25,813
but I don't really cut all
my water,
1032
01:09:25,857 --> 01:09:28,599
where before,
I used to do all those
different experiments.
1033
01:09:28,642 --> 01:09:31,210
Some people want to be
very, very, very cut.
1034
01:09:31,254 --> 01:09:33,691
Some people want to have
a little more size, right?
1035
01:09:33,734 --> 01:09:38,696
So, the more cut you try to get,
the less of a size
you will have.
1036
01:09:41,655 --> 01:09:45,964
Keeping in mind,
I'm pretty much depleted
right now.
1037
01:09:46,007 --> 01:09:51,448
Yeah, so,
I'll start peaking tomorrow.
1038
01:09:51,491 --> 01:09:54,015
Tomorrow I do my last cardio
in the afternoon,
1039
01:09:54,059 --> 01:10:00,108
then boom, try to fill up,
get ready for Saturday.
1040
01:10:07,072 --> 01:10:12,208
So, right now, as you can see
me packing, uh,
getting ready for States.
1041
01:10:12,251 --> 01:10:14,601
Flight's leaving
tomorrow morning.
1042
01:10:14,645 --> 01:10:19,258
So, this... This is like
just a little stuff
that I'm taking with me.
1043
01:10:56,382 --> 01:11:00,473
The competitors arrive
to Vegas tired, exhausted,
1044
01:11:00,517 --> 01:11:03,302
depleted of water
and hungry for victory.
1045
01:11:03,346 --> 01:11:05,609
They check into the hotel rooms and wait.
1046
01:11:16,010 --> 01:11:19,971
The staff prepare pavilion 11
at the Rio Hotel & Casino
1047
01:11:20,014 --> 01:11:22,147
for the next two days
of the competitions.
1048
01:11:29,981 --> 01:11:36,640
It's difficult not to compare
PNBA's Natural Olympia
to the IFBB's Mr. Olympia.
1049
01:11:36,683 --> 01:11:39,120
Aside from sharing
similar names,
1050
01:11:39,164 --> 01:11:43,473
both competitions represent
the best in each league,
the top of the mountain.
1051
01:11:46,911 --> 01:11:50,306
But considering the production
that goes into the
Mr. Olympia contest,
1052
01:11:50,349 --> 01:11:53,744
it's evident that PNBA
has a long way to go
1053
01:11:53,787 --> 01:11:56,921
if they eventually
want to catch up
the popularity and scale.
1054
01:11:58,705 --> 01:12:01,012
The PNBA has a big roster
of competitors,
1055
01:12:01,055 --> 01:12:04,711
but almost no fans aside from family members and friends.
1056
01:12:05,799 --> 01:12:09,281
The Natural Olympia
top winner gets $5000,
1057
01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:13,459
which is roughly one percent
of Mr. Olympia's
$400,000 prize money.
1058
01:12:13,503 --> 01:12:15,853
I wish everybody comes
and works with us.
1059
01:12:15,896 --> 01:12:17,898
All the other
natural organizations,
1060
01:12:17,942 --> 01:12:20,161
I want them to be close with us
and work together.
1061
01:12:20,205 --> 01:12:25,341
I... I'd like to see that
because that way no one
can deny natural bodybuilding.
1062
01:12:25,384 --> 01:12:26,864
But we don't have the sponsors.
1063
01:12:26,907 --> 01:12:29,301
But if we all unite
and work together,
1064
01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:32,086
INBA, PNBA will always grow
and become better.
1065
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:35,612
You should marry a federation
that marries the idea
1066
01:12:35,655 --> 01:12:37,744
that you've hit
their judging criteria.
1067
01:12:37,788 --> 01:12:42,314
And as much as we want to admit
that bodybuilding
is a very, um, subjective sport,
1068
01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:46,144
the subjectivity
between federations
is also a very subjective thing.
1069
01:12:46,187 --> 01:12:49,626
I married the federation
that treated me
as an athlete the best
1070
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:52,237
and I married the mentality
of natural bodybuilding.
1071
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,110
For me, I believe
that any athlete that really
wants to push themselves
1072
01:12:56,154 --> 01:12:57,590
in terms of their boundaries
1073
01:12:57,634 --> 01:13:00,071
and really stick
to the ethos of,
1074
01:13:00,114 --> 01:13:02,247
"Look, I don't care
how many people say it's a lie.
1075
01:13:02,290 --> 01:13:05,293
I'll take a blood test.
I'll take a hair test.
I'll take a urine test.
1076
01:13:05,337 --> 01:13:09,428
I'll take whatever test you want
to prove that I'm natural,"
the INBA was it for me.
1077
01:13:09,472 --> 01:13:13,301
So, every show
that I participate in,
1078
01:13:13,345 --> 01:13:17,480
if I am selected
and even shows that I am at,
1079
01:13:17,523 --> 01:13:22,876
even if I am not participating,
I am eligible to be selected
to be drug tested.
1080
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,705
We do in season
and out of season testing.
1081
01:13:25,749 --> 01:13:29,927
No other natural
organization does that.
Only INBA, PNBA does that.
1082
01:13:31,668 --> 01:13:34,888
So, every year,
- W.A.D.
- A comes up
with the new standards.
1083
01:13:34,932 --> 01:13:40,067
So, what are the banned
substances and the INBA,
PNBA test their athletes.
1084
01:13:40,111 --> 01:13:42,461
It is pretty different
from show to show.
1085
01:13:42,505 --> 01:13:45,682
They can either do it
before registration,
1086
01:13:45,725 --> 01:13:47,771
whereas you're registering
they'll say,
1087
01:13:47,814 --> 01:13:50,469
"Okay, we're gonna go
to the bathroom and we're going
to do an A&D sample
1088
01:13:50,513 --> 01:13:53,429
and they'll have a, you know,
a representative
from the federation
1089
01:13:53,472 --> 01:13:57,433
that'll be there
in the bathroom
watching you pee into a cup
1090
01:13:57,476 --> 01:14:00,218
and, you know, you fill out
the whole form, the...
1091
01:14:00,261 --> 01:14:03,787
The form that's for the W.A.D.A
compliancy that's going
to go to the labs.
1092
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:09,053
We have two different labs,
and, um, once those
are turned in, you know,
1093
01:14:09,096 --> 01:14:11,490
you'll get your results back
and, hopefully, you pass.
1094
01:14:17,191 --> 01:14:19,150
- I'll start with you.
1095
01:14:21,631 --> 01:14:23,676
You don't want to fail
a test in this organization
1096
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,591
because of social media
these days.
1097
01:14:25,635 --> 01:14:28,028
There's something called
"The Wall of Shame."
1098
01:14:28,072 --> 01:14:30,814
And you are posted
on the Wall of Shame.
1099
01:14:30,857 --> 01:14:33,643
You are banned from competing
in this organization
1100
01:14:33,686 --> 01:14:36,036
and it's out there
for everybody to see.
1101
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,648
So, you can come to our
website and you can see exactly
if somebody failed,
1102
01:14:38,691 --> 01:14:41,346
banned for life, boom, boom,
boom, here it is,
everything it's all about it.
1103
01:14:41,389 --> 01:14:45,959
Guys that are doing substances
that are taking steroids,
1104
01:14:46,003 --> 01:14:48,396
they're not gonna give credit
to the natural guys.
1105
01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:52,400
They don't want to
because they want everybody
to believe that that is the way,
1106
01:14:52,444 --> 01:14:54,185
that they are doing it
naturally.
1107
01:14:54,228 --> 01:14:58,058
But don't come into my world,
not give me credit
1108
01:14:58,102 --> 01:15:02,149
and then say you're natural
because then
I don't respect you either.
1109
01:15:02,193 --> 01:15:04,151
I can't respect somebody
that's lying.
1110
01:15:04,195 --> 01:15:06,284
Is it possible to beat the test?
1111
01:15:06,327 --> 01:15:11,158
I'm glad that we use a
urine test, I will say, uh,
because that's a pure system.
1112
01:15:11,202 --> 01:15:15,728
I would... I would... you know,
but from the competitors' side,
1113
01:15:15,772 --> 01:15:18,035
if they were prepared, um,
certainly, they could beat it.
1114
01:15:18,078 --> 01:15:24,607
There really isn't, um, a way
to really prove that someone
is lifetime natural,
1115
01:15:24,650 --> 01:15:27,958
if that's your question,
or if they were on five
or ten years ago.
1116
01:15:28,001 --> 01:15:32,789
Yeah, but if we get back
to Rob Terry,
personal opinion is that
1117
01:15:32,832 --> 01:15:36,009
there would be some parameters
if he was on the steroids
1118
01:15:36,053 --> 01:15:41,928
that, uh, would've been needed
to, you know, build size,
if that's what got him big.
1119
01:15:41,972 --> 01:15:43,713
And there would be some...
1120
01:15:43,756 --> 01:15:47,586
Some effects that others
might have been able to erase
over time
1121
01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:49,762
that it'd be tough
for a Rob Terry.
1122
01:15:49,806 --> 01:15:55,986
Again, in these natural shows,
there's a lot of guys
who did steroids for years,
1123
01:15:56,029 --> 01:16:01,034
then come off,
and if they're off for five,
six years, "I'm natural."
1124
01:16:01,078 --> 01:16:03,863
To me, you're natural
if you've never taken anything.
1125
01:16:03,907 --> 01:16:05,735
The testing is... Is a joke.
1126
01:16:05,778 --> 01:16:08,738
I go back to what I'd said
a few minutes ago,
everybody's taken it.
1127
01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:26,146
You going to say goodbye?
Daddy is going to the gym.
1128
01:16:26,190 --> 01:16:28,322
- Okay, I love you.
- I love you.
1129
01:16:28,366 --> 01:16:29,367
- Have fun.
- Bye.
1130
01:16:56,220 --> 01:16:58,657
With one day
before the main competition,
1131
01:16:58,701 --> 01:17:02,052
the athletes take advantage
of their time
with a final workout.
1132
01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:14,717
At such low body-fat percentage, they use lighter weights
to prevent injury.
1133
01:17:23,464 --> 01:17:26,729
Staying relaxed, yet, mentally
prepared is equally important.
1134
01:17:27,643 --> 01:17:32,082
Stress can make the body
unpredictable and have
a drastic impact on placings.
1135
01:17:52,755 --> 01:17:56,672
While the other professional athletes get ready for tomorrow's show,
1136
01:17:56,715 --> 01:18:00,806
Adrian shocks everyone
with a decision to compete
on an amateur stage
1137
01:18:00,850 --> 01:18:04,462
for the last time,
before his pro debut tomorrow.
1138
01:18:04,505 --> 01:18:08,335
Um, I'm going to be competing
as a amateur,
1139
01:18:08,379 --> 01:18:11,861
uh, my fifth show
so far this year,
1140
01:18:11,904 --> 01:18:13,993
which is a little bit
of a challenge,
1141
01:18:14,037 --> 01:18:17,736
but, you know, I'm kind of
enjoying the challenge.
1142
01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:21,000
You've never seen
someone go and win
an amateur Olympia,
1143
01:18:21,044 --> 01:18:24,961
like cleaning the whole house,
meaning you winning
your division and other division
1144
01:18:25,004 --> 01:18:28,007
and you're against everybody
else in all their divisions
1145
01:18:28,051 --> 01:18:30,793
and then the next day go
and... And do it in pros.
1146
01:18:30,836 --> 01:18:32,708
Like you normally win,
1147
01:18:32,751 --> 01:18:36,494
then you get invited to go
to pros and then years later,
you do that.
1148
01:18:36,537 --> 01:18:39,584
I mean, he's really gonna
do this back to back.
1149
01:18:39,627 --> 01:18:45,982
I hear you say
these times. Let's keep it under
wraps. You got time, man.
1150
01:18:49,289 --> 01:18:53,554
Now, there's amateurs
that win PNBA pro qualification
quite often,
1151
01:18:53,598 --> 01:18:56,209
but that type of athlete
doesn't want to be pro.
1152
01:18:56,253 --> 01:18:57,689
They want to compete
whenever they want,
1153
01:18:57,733 --> 01:18:59,865
wherever they want, they just
want to remain amateur.
1154
01:18:59,909 --> 01:19:03,913
It's crazy. I mean, look
at Adrian, all these years,
he's been an amateur athlete.
1155
01:19:03,956 --> 01:19:07,873
It's... It's a mindset.
You have to be ready and it's...
1156
01:19:07,917 --> 01:19:10,963
There's no going back,
really, I mean,
once you turn professional.
1157
01:19:13,574 --> 01:19:18,318
This means Adrian will
have to be in peak condition
for two nights in a row,
1158
01:19:18,362 --> 01:19:22,758
a delicate process
that involves limiting
your water and food intake
1159
01:19:22,801 --> 01:19:25,064
to be at a very low
body fat percentage.
1160
01:19:25,108 --> 01:19:28,372
This process is grueling
to do for one evening.
1161
01:19:28,415 --> 01:19:30,853
Doing it for the entire weekend could be dangerous.
1162
01:19:38,164 --> 01:19:40,645
You know,
two days out from the show,
you look really skinny,
1163
01:19:40,688 --> 01:19:43,039
you know, kind of like stringy,
if you will.
1164
01:19:43,082 --> 01:19:45,955
If you front-load then you'll...
At the beginning of the week,
you'll put a lot of carbs
1165
01:19:45,998 --> 01:19:48,392
and then you'll kind of cycle
them down and still try...
1166
01:19:48,435 --> 01:19:50,611
And your muscles would be
fuller at the end of the week.
1167
01:19:50,655 --> 01:19:53,789
If you deplete and then back
load, then you're going...
1168
01:19:53,832 --> 01:19:55,791
You're gone
from basically nothing
1169
01:19:55,834 --> 01:19:58,010
and at the end,
you're throwing them all in
to kind of fill out the muscle.
1170
01:19:58,054 --> 01:20:01,361
Like a peak week
can't fix a bad prep,
but a peak week can ruin them.
1171
01:20:01,405 --> 01:20:02,580
From Italy.
1172
01:20:04,843 --> 01:20:07,019
We got a repeat champion
here in the gold.
1173
01:20:07,977 --> 01:20:11,894
Winner of the Men's Open
Natural Bodybuilding
for the Natural Olympia...
1174
01:20:12,895 --> 01:20:16,594
Adrian establishes
his dominance in the amateur
division once again
1175
01:20:16,637 --> 01:20:18,465
with another
first-place victory.
1176
01:20:20,903 --> 01:20:23,949
Some may call it a selfish
victory as he has been a pro caliber athlete for a while
1177
01:20:23,993 --> 01:20:26,473
and, yet, he feels satisfied.
1178
01:20:26,517 --> 01:20:31,652
But tomorrow,
another battle is looming and this time against the big guys.
1179
01:20:34,612 --> 01:20:37,876
It is the best a
body's gonna look right on stage
1180
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,270
and it's the worst
the person feels.
1181
01:20:40,313 --> 01:20:42,707
And it's the most unhealthy
as well.
1182
01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:45,666
The water depletion and all
those things and playing with it
1183
01:20:45,710 --> 01:20:47,843
and playing
with your carbohydrates and...
1184
01:20:47,886 --> 01:20:52,108
And toying with how your body
functions off of insulin
and all that kind of stuff,
1185
01:20:52,151 --> 01:20:54,893
it's... It's a crazy thing
to look that beautiful...
1186
01:20:54,937 --> 01:20:56,939
- Right.
- ...for a split second.
1187
01:20:56,982 --> 01:20:59,898
You really take your body to
a place that it's uncomfortable
1188
01:20:59,942 --> 01:21:01,378
and where it really
shouldn't be,
1189
01:21:01,421 --> 01:21:03,815
kind of how I was for the last
five days, for instance.
1190
01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:06,992
I mean, hormones are completely
out of whack,
I'm cold all the time,
1191
01:21:07,036 --> 01:21:10,691
my nails are blue, everything
is messed up, you know,
1192
01:21:10,735 --> 01:21:12,868
and you're not supposed to take
your body to those places.
1193
01:21:16,349 --> 01:21:20,788
All right, we have
our Pro Men's Open Bodybuilding,
1194
01:21:20,832 --> 01:21:23,139
what everybody's
been waiting for.
1195
01:21:27,012 --> 01:21:31,016
He's a serious threat
in this lineup
to Rob Terry's title.
1196
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:34,498
His name is Christopher Oketch.
Christopher.
1197
01:21:34,541 --> 01:21:39,895
Today, I'm feeling very,
very good, feeling happy
and ready for tomorrow.
1198
01:21:39,938 --> 01:21:44,421
Tomorrow's gonna be...
It's gonna be a fight.
It's gonna be a big fight.
1199
01:21:44,464 --> 01:21:48,468
Another serious threat
to Rob Terry's
Natural Olympia title
1200
01:21:48,512 --> 01:21:52,298
comes by the way
of Philip Ricardo, Jr.
1201
01:21:52,342 --> 01:21:55,475
I know that in order to stay,
you know,
within striking distance
1202
01:21:55,519 --> 01:21:58,261
and to be healthy and live
a long healthy lifestyle,
1203
01:21:58,304 --> 01:22:00,089
which is what natural
bodybuilding is all about
1204
01:22:00,132 --> 01:22:02,004
and what the PNBA,
INBA is about,
1205
01:22:02,047 --> 01:22:04,920
I know that I need to just stay
within striking range
1206
01:22:04,963 --> 01:22:06,617
just in case
these opportunities come up,
1207
01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:09,533
like competing against
the best in the world here, so.
1208
01:22:09,576 --> 01:22:13,232
I mean,
this is the deepest lineup
of pro men bodybuilders
1209
01:22:13,276 --> 01:22:15,321
that the Natural Olympia
has seen
1210
01:22:15,365 --> 01:22:17,584
in the seven years that
I've been covering the show.
1211
01:22:17,628 --> 01:22:19,760
So, now I ask Rob Terry,
1212
01:22:19,804 --> 01:22:23,590
what kind of package you're
bringing this year to compete
with these new names?
1213
01:22:23,634 --> 01:22:26,332
I'm here because I set
a challenge to myself.
1214
01:22:26,376 --> 01:22:30,075
This means everything.
This is the Natural Olympia.
1215
01:22:30,119 --> 01:22:34,688
I am the reigning, defending,
Natural Mr. Olympia Champion.
1216
01:22:34,732 --> 01:22:36,255
"Reigning, defending".
1217
01:22:36,299 --> 01:22:40,433
And I am gonna do everything
that I can to maintain that
1218
01:22:40,477 --> 01:22:45,177
and I will put on a fight
with every single one of you
tomorrow.
1219
01:22:45,221 --> 01:22:48,441
So, you guys
can file off stage now.
Thanks, guys.
1220
01:23:00,149 --> 01:23:03,326
We notice that Adrian
is absent
during the press conference.
1221
01:23:07,373 --> 01:23:11,421
We try to check in on him,
but his reply was brief.
1222
01:23:19,907 --> 01:23:23,955
Heavenly Father, thank You for
this beautiful Saturday morning,
1223
01:23:23,999 --> 01:23:29,613
this event that's coming up
for us that
you've just blessed us with,
1224
01:23:29,656 --> 01:23:34,705
being here
is a very special day
no matter what the outcome is,
1225
01:23:34,748 --> 01:23:37,186
celebrating together, Father.
1226
01:23:37,229 --> 01:23:39,971
We're so grateful to have
this beautiful team for me
1227
01:23:40,015 --> 01:23:43,061
and that You blessed us
to continue
this great relationship.
1228
01:23:43,105 --> 01:23:46,108
And, Father, we just are looking
forward to a special day
1229
01:23:46,151 --> 01:23:49,981
and a special evening
and the rest of our time here
in Las Vegas.
1230
01:23:50,025 --> 01:23:53,680
And just, thank You,
for just being You, Father.
1231
01:23:53,724 --> 01:23:58,555
You are just so great, awesome
and just the God of the universe
and we love you.
1232
01:23:58,598 --> 01:24:01,558
- In Jesus' Holy Name we pray.
Amen.
- Amen.
1233
01:24:01,601 --> 01:24:02,820
You ready for this?
1234
01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:05,866
- He's born ready.
- You're ready for this,
right, Mason?
1235
01:24:07,085 --> 01:24:09,218
You got your little firetruck;
you got your snacks.
1236
01:24:09,261 --> 01:24:10,175
- Come on.
- Got the food.
1237
01:24:10,219 --> 01:24:11,089
Let's do this.
1238
01:24:50,607 --> 01:24:55,046
As the men apply tan
to look defined under the bright lights of the stage,
1239
01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:58,005
it's show time for Alondra
and Tiffany.
1240
01:25:01,748 --> 01:25:04,273
come on out, sweeties.
1241
01:25:05,187 --> 01:25:09,626
.
1242
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:10,888
USA.
1243
01:25:10,931 --> 01:25:15,153
234, , Netherlands.
1244
01:25:15,197 --> 01:25:18,852
385, , USA.
1245
01:25:18,896 --> 01:25:22,334
356, Alondra Chatman, USA.
1246
01:25:22,378 --> 01:25:26,773
257, Tiffany Stosich, USA.
1247
01:25:26,817 --> 01:25:33,563
Welcome to the stage, ladies.
Welcome to the Natural Olympia.
1248
01:25:40,091 --> 01:25:42,702
The best in the world,
ladies and gentlemen,
are right here in...
1249
01:25:42,746 --> 01:25:47,751
For all of the judging,
there is a judging criteria that
is specific to the INBA PNBA.
1250
01:25:47,794 --> 01:25:51,885
You do muscularity, um,
conditioning and symmetry.
1251
01:25:51,929 --> 01:25:54,584
Um, so, they're all judged
in two different rounds.
1252
01:25:54,627 --> 01:25:57,456
Basically, their first round is
when you do your quarter turns.
1253
01:25:57,500 --> 01:25:59,197
So, when you're doing your
quarter turn to your right,
quarter turn right,
1254
01:25:59,241 --> 01:26:01,068
that's when they look
at your balance
1255
01:26:01,112 --> 01:26:04,028
to see if your upper body
and a lower...
Your lower body, you know,
1256
01:26:04,071 --> 01:26:06,552
are balanced and look...
I mean, match up.
1257
01:26:06,596 --> 01:26:09,120
If you have skinny legs
then you're probably
going to get marked down.
1258
01:26:09,164 --> 01:26:13,603
So, they give you certain poses
that will help you judge
those different criteria.
1259
01:26:13,646 --> 01:26:16,083
And a lot of times,
to be honest with you,
1260
01:26:16,127 --> 01:26:19,739
is not just about that
because you're not always
doing a point system,
1261
01:26:19,783 --> 01:26:22,133
but it's who's the best physique
on stage.
1262
01:26:26,964 --> 01:26:28,313
Well, then turn to your right.
1263
01:26:31,273 --> 01:26:33,840
All right,
I'm gonna call out
the top five ladies.
1264
01:26:33,884 --> 01:26:37,279
I want to congratulate
all of you for gracing
the Natural Olympia stage.
1265
01:26:37,322 --> 01:26:39,106
It's very, very difficult.
1266
01:26:39,150 --> 01:26:45,330
You're all top athletes
in the world,
here at the Natural Olympia.
1267
01:26:45,374 --> 01:26:48,159
257, Tiffany Stosich, USA.
1268
01:26:48,203 --> 01:26:52,642
Both Tiffany and Alondra
are called out as two
of the top five finishers.
1269
01:26:54,948 --> 01:26:57,212
Tiffany takes home fifth place.
1270
01:26:58,125 --> 01:27:00,606
State USA.
1271
01:27:00,650 --> 01:27:05,045
As the rest of the medals
are awarded, Alondra
is the last woman standing.
1272
01:27:05,089 --> 01:27:08,832
227, Aisha Kimball, USA.
1273
01:27:11,617 --> 01:27:16,622
Your winner, gold medal,
1274
01:27:16,666 --> 01:27:18,755
$5000 cash prize,
1275
01:27:18,798 --> 01:27:23,238
number 356 Alondra Chatman USA,
1276
01:27:23,281 --> 01:27:26,415
Pro Figure Open Natural Olympia.
1277
01:27:35,641 --> 01:27:38,209
A couple, uh, of gold medals
here today,
1278
01:27:38,253 --> 01:27:43,562
so, one for Evening Gown and one
for Pro Figure Open, so,
amazing.
1279
01:27:43,606 --> 01:27:47,044
Twenty-two ladies on stage,
a lot of good competition.
1280
01:27:47,087 --> 01:27:52,223
Um, I've been training hard
all year for this and we did it.
1281
01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:55,139
We made it.
First place, so, oh, my God!
1282
01:27:55,182 --> 01:27:57,750
I am... I don't even have words.
1283
01:28:06,672 --> 01:28:09,632
Without any notice,
Adrian is spotted backstage
again
1284
01:28:09,675 --> 01:28:14,114
fixing his tan in the final moments before the competition.
1285
01:28:14,158 --> 01:28:16,900
With a change of heart,
he's finally ready.
1286
01:28:16,943 --> 01:28:20,164
He decided to step on a stage
against the best in the world.
1287
01:28:21,121 --> 01:28:24,299
Yesterday,
I was very like, like going,
1288
01:28:24,342 --> 01:28:28,390
I'm nervous and emotional
and like, "Oh, my God!
You know, am I gonna win again?
1289
01:28:28,433 --> 01:28:30,479
Am I... you know, what's...
What's going to happen?" Right?
1290
01:28:30,522 --> 01:28:34,352
So, I thought I wasn't gonna do
today, but then I said,
1291
01:28:34,396 --> 01:28:36,441
"You know, something,
I need to be here.
1292
01:28:36,485 --> 01:28:41,054
I'm here and, uh,
might as well just go all out
1293
01:28:41,098 --> 01:28:45,798
and, uh, go with the big guys
and just see what I'm made of,"
you know.
1294
01:28:45,842 --> 01:28:49,367
I mean, I won everything,
so what else am I gonna do,
you know?
1295
01:28:49,411 --> 01:28:53,545
I can go back and do that again,
or I can go to the next level
like, right?
1296
01:28:53,589 --> 01:28:56,548
So, this is the next level
for me. So, here I am.
1297
01:28:56,592 --> 01:28:57,984
- Good to see you.
How have you been?
- Good to see you, man.
1298
01:28:58,028 --> 01:28:59,029
- How are you doing?
- You too. Good.
1299
01:28:59,072 --> 01:29:00,813
- Really good.
- How you feeling?
1300
01:29:00,857 --> 01:29:01,945
- How is it going, man?
- Going well. Will.
Very nice to meet you.
1301
01:29:01,988 --> 01:29:02,989
So, like,
how are you feeling today?
1302
01:29:03,033 --> 01:29:05,122
I feel really good, you know.
1303
01:29:05,165 --> 01:29:10,736
I feel... like I say
that the battle against myself
for 16 weeks was a success.
1304
01:29:10,780 --> 01:29:14,349
Um, that's something
I can control every single day,
every single minute.
1305
01:29:14,392 --> 01:29:16,655
Um, I just feel I did
the best I can.
1306
01:29:16,699 --> 01:29:21,051
- Today is... is a... I'm...
I'm... I'm up against 30 guys.
- Thirty guys.
1307
01:29:21,094 --> 01:29:25,534
I want to say that's one
of the biggest natural
bodybuilding lineups
1308
01:29:25,577 --> 01:29:28,363
- that this organization
might have ever had.
- Right.
1309
01:29:28,406 --> 01:29:32,323
Um, that's what I've been
told, so it...
1310
01:29:32,367 --> 01:29:37,850
It's gonna be a huge battle
from... From start to finish
and when we get up there,
1311
01:29:37,894 --> 01:29:39,635
you know,
we're all gonna have to work.
1312
01:29:39,678 --> 01:29:41,114
Well, listen.
Good luck with everything.
1313
01:29:41,158 --> 01:29:43,900
Hey, I appreciate it.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
1314
01:30:25,289 --> 01:30:27,030
- Rob, right here.
- Thank you.
1315
01:30:29,424 --> 01:30:30,468
Rob Terry, here.
1316
01:30:30,512 --> 01:30:32,949
- 171.
- Right here.
1317
01:30:34,516 --> 01:30:38,171
Ooh. Let's fucking go.
Let's do this.
1318
01:30:45,265 --> 01:30:48,268
Matt Porosky, USA.
1319
01:30:48,312 --> 01:30:51,707
142, Jonas Notter, Germany.
1320
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:56,320
347, Christopher Oketch, Kenya.
1321
01:31:10,029 --> 01:31:14,773
345, Robert Terry, USA.
1322
01:31:14,817 --> 01:31:18,603
Ladies and gentlemen,
this is your PNBA league,
1323
01:31:18,647 --> 01:31:23,869
Pro Men's Open
Natural Bodybuilding.
1324
01:31:23,913 --> 01:31:25,131
- Let's rock.
1325
01:31:25,175 --> 01:31:26,611
All right, gentlemen,
just listen.
1326
01:31:26,655 --> 01:31:28,961
Can we make sure the judges
can see your number?
1327
01:31:29,005 --> 01:31:32,487
118, if you could lead
those gentlemen
to the blue line, please.
1328
01:31:32,530 --> 01:31:33,923
Follow him off, gentlemen.
1329
01:31:33,966 --> 01:31:36,578
Behind the blue line,
the blue line, my friend.
1330
01:31:40,625 --> 01:31:42,932
Gentlemen, step back
from the red carpet, please.
1331
01:31:48,285 --> 01:31:49,678
Looking good, baby.
1332
01:32:35,854 --> 01:32:39,902
Gentlemen,
if I call your name and number,
you are in the top five.
1333
01:32:39,945 --> 01:32:43,688
The 24 men on stage get
narrowed down to the top five.
1334
01:32:46,691 --> 01:32:50,303
184, Tommy Thompson, USA.
Come on back.
1335
01:32:52,958 --> 01:32:56,614
305, Robert Terry, USA.
Come on back.
1336
01:33:00,705 --> 01:33:04,317
373, Shevon Cunningham, USA.
1337
01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:09,627
322, Philip Ricardo, USA.
1338
01:33:14,545 --> 01:33:17,896
276, Chad Havunen, USA.
1339
01:33:22,292 --> 01:33:26,862
Adrian falls short
of the top five
with a sixth-place finish.
1340
01:33:26,905 --> 01:33:33,303
Christopher goes from the
last year's third place finish down to the disappointing ninth.
1341
01:33:33,346 --> 01:33:37,655
They are both given
participation medals,
same as the other competitors.
1342
01:33:37,699 --> 01:33:40,266
On this stage,
every athlete gets a medal.
1343
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:43,922
Bodybuilding is
such a subjective sport
and I think that, you know,
1344
01:33:43,966 --> 01:33:47,273
over time, um,
there are favorites that are...
That are generated,
1345
01:33:47,317 --> 01:33:50,886
you know, and that... Just like
in any other organization
as well that, you know,
1346
01:33:50,929 --> 01:33:53,889
the judges are like all that,
you know, that's...
That's the guy.
1347
01:33:53,932 --> 01:33:57,675
I mean, he's... He's gonna win
unless somebody else comes...
Shows up and beats him.
1348
01:33:57,719 --> 01:34:01,157
The judges dictate a lot.
It's people's own opinions
of it.
1349
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,594
It's very superficial, you know.
1350
01:34:03,638 --> 01:34:07,076
You look at it and you...
You might like blondes;
I might like brunettes.
1351
01:34:07,119 --> 01:34:09,252
Let's talk about bodybuilding
in general.
1352
01:34:09,295 --> 01:34:12,734
The subjectivity
of even what you're looking at
is always there.
1353
01:34:12,777 --> 01:34:17,521
So, still then, getting a bad
feedback from a judge gives you
a bad frame of mind.
1354
01:34:17,564 --> 01:34:21,656
So, what makes you a
good bodybuilder is your ability
to take what they've said,
1355
01:34:21,699 --> 01:34:25,616
take out the bias,
but understand
that the actual judging criteria
1356
01:34:25,660 --> 01:34:29,272
and change what you're doing
to come back to look like
what they want to see
1357
01:34:29,315 --> 01:34:32,057
because, ultimately,
they are the ones who were
gonna hand you the title.
1358
01:34:32,101 --> 01:34:33,929
In this sport,
it can be very subjective.
1359
01:34:33,972 --> 01:34:37,410
So, even though, someone
may have like the great balance
1360
01:34:37,454 --> 01:34:39,195
and maybe even good
conditioning,
1361
01:34:39,238 --> 01:34:42,894
there could be someone who's,
obviously, bigger,
a better poser,
1362
01:34:42,938 --> 01:34:44,287
and presents
their physique better.
1363
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:46,245
So, presentation is important,
even though,
1364
01:34:46,289 --> 01:34:49,509
it's not specifically judged
as far as points are concerned,
1365
01:34:49,553 --> 01:34:51,773
but if you know
how to present your body,
1366
01:34:51,816 --> 01:34:56,299
you can sometimes beat out
someone who may have
better genetics, you know,
1367
01:34:56,342 --> 01:34:59,737
better symmetry, better balance,
better muscularity.
1368
01:34:59,781 --> 01:35:05,438
Final five posing routines
of the Natural Olympia
with number 273,
1369
01:35:05,482 --> 01:35:08,572
Shevon Cunningham, USA.
1370
01:35:08,615 --> 01:35:12,794
The top five athletes
take the stage one last time
for individual posing.
1371
01:35:12,837 --> 01:35:15,535
It's a privilege to be selected as the best.
1372
01:35:15,579 --> 01:35:17,755
It's what every competitor
trains for.
1373
01:36:43,449 --> 01:36:47,932
Sidelines here,
right on the wings, right in
front of the podium, please.
1374
01:36:47,976 --> 01:36:52,937
Shevon Cunningham,
Chad Havunen, Philip Ricardo,
1375
01:36:52,981 --> 01:36:59,161
Robert Terry, Tommy Thompson,
top five in the world,
1376
01:36:59,204 --> 01:37:04,601
PNBA league, Pro Men's
Natural Bodybuilding Open.
1377
01:37:09,432 --> 01:37:11,869
Thompson, USA, congratulations.
1378
01:37:15,394 --> 01:37:16,831
Congratulations.
1379
01:37:21,444 --> 01:37:24,751
273, Shevon Cunningham, USA.
1380
01:37:32,542 --> 01:37:36,198
Rob and Phil
are the last two men on stage.
1381
01:37:36,241 --> 01:37:39,636
The next name called
will be second place.
1382
01:37:45,076 --> 01:37:47,687
Second place, and a silver medal
1383
01:37:51,517 --> 01:37:53,868
and $2000 cash prize.
1384
01:37:56,131 --> 01:37:59,047
305, Robert Terry, USA.
1385
01:38:03,268 --> 01:38:07,707
Your champion,
first place, gold medal,
1386
01:38:07,751 --> 01:38:13,017
bumped up to a $8000 cash prize,
1387
01:38:13,061 --> 01:38:18,022
your champion PNBA league,
Pro Men's Bodybuilding Open,
1388
01:38:19,763 --> 01:38:22,505
the pinnacle of natural sports,
Natural Olympian,
1389
01:38:22,548 --> 01:38:26,857
number 322, Philip Ricardo, USA.
1390
01:38:26,901 --> 01:38:30,078
- Yes!
- Congratulations.
1391
01:38:32,602 --> 01:38:33,646
Oh, my God!
1392
01:38:38,260 --> 01:38:39,522
So, what was going
through your head
1393
01:38:39,565 --> 01:38:42,046
when they announced Rob Terry,
second place?
1394
01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:46,659
I just was already
looking forward
to just being humble
1395
01:38:46,703 --> 01:38:49,184
and accepting second place,
honestly,
1396
01:38:49,227 --> 01:38:52,274
because I just, you know,
I've seen him,
1397
01:38:52,317 --> 01:38:55,059
I've seen what he's done
for the past couple of years.
1398
01:38:55,103 --> 01:38:57,801
I just didn't feel like...
I... I don't know,
1399
01:38:57,844 --> 01:38:59,759
I didn't have the confidence
that I was going to be able
to do it
1400
01:38:59,803 --> 01:39:01,979
even though people
were saying stuff.
I've heard that before,
1401
01:39:02,023 --> 01:39:05,026
you know, and I look
at other bodybuilders,
1402
01:39:05,069 --> 01:39:08,420
I'm just trying to put myself...
The respect that I have for him.
1403
01:39:08,464 --> 01:39:10,161
Um, so, if I had gotten second,
1404
01:39:10,205 --> 01:39:14,470
I was just ready
just to be prepared,
emotionally, to accept it,
1405
01:39:14,513 --> 01:39:16,515
congratulate and hug him,
all that good stuff.
1406
01:39:16,559 --> 01:39:20,606
But for me to...
Yeah, it just didn't make sense.
1407
01:39:20,650 --> 01:39:24,001
The number I was expecting
to hear is 322.
1408
01:39:24,045 --> 01:39:28,788
Get my second place.
Be happy with that. But wow!
1409
01:40:06,522 --> 01:40:09,351
- Chocolate bar, first thing.
- Yeah.
1410
01:40:09,394 --> 01:40:10,439
Absolutely.
1411
01:40:11,527 --> 01:40:13,572
Make them toes wiggle.
1412
01:40:13,616 --> 01:40:15,313
You're free.
1413
01:40:33,853 --> 01:40:38,162
So, what do you think...
I mean, in today's world
of bodybuilding, right,
1414
01:40:38,206 --> 01:40:41,992
what can be done
to make natural bodybuilding
more popular
1415
01:40:42,036 --> 01:40:45,300
and more, you know what I mean,
more spread as opposed
to enhanced bodybuilding?
1416
01:40:45,343 --> 01:40:48,694
What made the original
bodybuilding great?
1417
01:40:48,738 --> 01:40:50,783
Do you think it was Arnold
Schwarzenegger's physique?
1418
01:40:51,784 --> 01:40:54,483
- I don't think so.
- Well, he put it on the map
originally back in the...
1419
01:40:54,526 --> 01:40:56,789
Yeah, but what do you...
What... What put it on the map?
1420
01:40:56,833 --> 01:41:00,402
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Muhammad
Ali, those personalities...
1421
01:41:00,445 --> 01:41:03,274
- Mm.
- ...that's a different level.
1422
01:41:03,318 --> 01:41:06,016
And that's what... That's
what started bodybuilding.
1423
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:12,805
So, for somebody to make
natural bodybuilding, top notch,
you need that personality.
1424
01:41:12,849 --> 01:41:14,590
- You need...
You need those stars.
- It can't be the body.
1425
01:41:14,633 --> 01:41:16,548
Yeah, you gotta have the stars.
1426
01:41:16,592 --> 01:41:19,986
I know that people want to go,
"No, it's... It's the body,
it's the body."
1427
01:41:20,030 --> 01:41:22,554
Arnold... Arnold did it
because of the personality.
1428
01:41:23,729 --> 01:41:25,427
- Thanks, man...
- No, bro.
1429
01:41:25,470 --> 01:41:26,732
- ...for the interview, man.
Appreciate it, man.
- Absolutely.
1430
01:41:36,699 --> 01:41:39,136
Nobody can deny
that Arnold Schwarzenegger
1431
01:41:39,180 --> 01:41:41,704
brought bodybuilding
to the mainstream,
1432
01:41:41,747 --> 01:41:47,101
but the sport has grown
in his absence as well
and became its own niche.
1433
01:41:47,144 --> 01:41:50,756
But is it true is one
larger-than-life personality,
1434
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,759
all that natural bodybuilding
needs to reach the next level?
1435
01:41:55,326 --> 01:41:58,721
After Arnold left the pro stage, Lee Haney showed us
1436
01:41:58,764 --> 01:42:02,246
that the boundaries of human physique could go much further.
1437
01:42:02,290 --> 01:42:05,684
Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman
continued the evolution,
1438
01:42:06,555 --> 01:42:09,035
growing in size while managing
to stay conditioned,
1439
01:42:09,079 --> 01:42:12,430
eventually, creating a new term, the mass monster.
1440
01:42:13,649 --> 01:42:17,566
Many people today refer to bodybuilding as a freak show.
1441
01:42:17,609 --> 01:42:19,959
And whether that's negative
or positive,
1442
01:42:20,003 --> 01:42:22,440
there's one fact
that can't be ignored,
1443
01:42:22,484 --> 01:42:24,964
more and more people
are tuning in.
1444
01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:27,489
So, is Mike, right?
1445
01:42:29,708 --> 01:42:32,102
Does natural bodybuilding
need a personality
to make it successful?
1446
01:42:32,146 --> 01:42:35,801
Can bodybuilding rely solely
on the beauty within the sport
1447
01:42:35,845 --> 01:42:38,064
or does it need
to be more than that?
1448
01:42:38,108 --> 01:42:39,849
Do we need it
to be a freak show?
1449
01:42:41,894 --> 01:42:44,245
I'm thankful that we're getting
some different, uh...
Some different things
1450
01:42:44,288 --> 01:42:48,640
that potentially could create
a platform for us to be,
you know, more widely known,
1451
01:42:48,684 --> 01:42:54,211
uh, but even in the IFBB,
if you look at the disparity
between them, the money that...
1452
01:42:54,255 --> 01:42:56,996
That the open bodybuilders make
and that men's physique guys
make,
1453
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,346
those men's physique guys
look phenomenal.
1454
01:42:58,389 --> 01:43:00,174
They're bodybuilders
in board shorts, but...
1455
01:43:00,217 --> 01:43:02,350
But they... They're not
the open bodybuilding guys.
1456
01:43:02,393 --> 01:43:03,916
Those are the guys
that draw that...
1457
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,918
I mean, they're...
They're mass monsters.
1458
01:43:05,962 --> 01:43:08,312
They're like...
They have that absolute wow.
1459
01:43:08,356 --> 01:43:11,881
I'm... I'm hopeful that we're
able to, you know,
kind of find our niche in...
1460
01:43:11,924 --> 01:43:16,494
In the sport in that, you know,
that we can draw eighth,
you know,
1461
01:43:16,538 --> 01:43:20,019
a fraction
of what the IFBB draws, but...
1462
01:43:20,063 --> 01:43:23,936
But, you know, it's gonna be...
That's a tough... That's a
tough mountain to climb.
1463
01:43:23,980 --> 01:43:26,200
For every time I meet
an athlete that tells me,
1464
01:43:26,243 --> 01:43:31,248
"Hey, man, I am the so-and-so,
so-and-so champion of such
and such and such,
1465
01:43:31,292 --> 01:43:33,555
this year or that year.
I won..."
1466
01:43:33,598 --> 01:43:35,034
"Well, what is the name
of the organization?"
1467
01:43:35,078 --> 01:43:36,558
I always ask them what the name
of the organization is.
1468
01:43:36,601 --> 01:43:40,388
They're afraid to say
the name of the organization
1469
01:43:40,431 --> 01:43:44,827
because there's also built
within that the distinction of,
1470
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:47,917
"Well, I'm a natural.
I'm an unenhanced athlete."
1471
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,312
And that's why whether...
Whatever way you...
1472
01:43:51,355 --> 01:43:56,969
Whatever side of the fence you
fall on, there's no reason
to really shun or...
1473
01:43:57,013 --> 01:44:01,060
Or... Or discredit or, you know,
I think it all has value.
1474
01:44:01,104 --> 01:44:02,758
I think it really does
have value.
1475
01:44:02,801 --> 01:44:06,588
I don't dislike people who use
performance-enhancing drugs.
1476
01:44:06,631 --> 01:44:10,548
The only thing I care is that
if... If that's your standard
of competition,
1477
01:44:10,592 --> 01:44:13,464
then there are competitions
for you and I would love
to go see them,
1478
01:44:13,508 --> 01:44:16,598
I'd love to patron them
and I'd love to be your coach
or your supporter.
1479
01:44:16,641 --> 01:44:20,689
This is time right now for
natural bodybuilding to grow.
1480
01:44:20,732 --> 01:44:25,302
This is the time where
everybody's seeing that health
is the most important thing.
1481
01:44:28,131 --> 01:44:30,612
Natural Pro Bodybuilding
provides an option
1482
01:44:30,655 --> 01:44:32,875
for athletes
who want to be competitive
1483
01:44:32,918 --> 01:44:35,878
without the possible risks
that come with
performance-enhancing drugs,
1484
01:44:35,921 --> 01:44:39,925
but it still has a long way to go to reach wide recognition
1485
01:44:39,969 --> 01:44:44,756
and, ultimately,
it will be up to the audience
to decide what's more popular.
1486
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:48,630
But for these athletes,
being natural stands
way beyond recognition,
1487
01:44:48,673 --> 01:44:52,242
social media hype,
or even mainstream success.
1488
01:45:25,319 --> 01:45:26,320
My pleasure, my friend.
1489
01:45:28,278 --> 01:45:30,106
What time is it?
1490
01:45:42,423 --> 01:45:43,249
Cool.
1491
01:45:44,425 --> 01:45:45,251
Boom.
1492
01:47:33,055 --> 01:47:34,491
You did that, champ.