1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:06,896 --> 00:00:09,137 Louis: How many clients have you seen this week? 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09,241 --> 00:00:10,758 Woman: Five or six. 5 00:00:10,862 --> 00:00:13,689 You take the cash before anything happens? 6 00:00:13,793 --> 00:00:15,862 - Yes, I do. Yes. - And count it? 7 00:00:15,965 --> 00:00:18,517 - Yes. I always count it in front of them. 8 00:00:18,620 --> 00:00:21,689 - Yeah, I would find that embarrassing if I was an escort. 9 00:00:21,793 --> 00:00:25,000 But I'm not, but Caroline's more mercenary. 10 00:00:27,655 --> 00:00:29,344 - [sighs] I'm ready. 11 00:00:29,448 --> 00:00:31,241 - Mmm. Mmm, OK. 12 00:00:31,344 --> 00:00:36,448 - But I just wanted to say that I belong to you. 13 00:00:36,551 --> 00:00:40,310 I'm yours, but I want to give myself to another man... 14 00:00:40,413 --> 00:00:42,379 - Mmm. - ..for an hour. 15 00:00:42,482 --> 00:00:47,689 So I just wondered if you could give me away to him? 16 00:00:47,793 --> 00:00:51,586 - OK, darling. Yes, I give you away to Dave for the hour. 17 00:00:51,689 --> 00:00:53,241 - Yeah. - Mmm. 18 00:00:53,344 --> 00:00:55,310 - Mmm. Thank you. - [they kiss] 19 00:00:55,413 --> 00:00:57,862 [soft solemn music] 20 00:01:00,068 --> 00:01:02,482 Louis: For several months, I've been spending time with 21 00:01:02,586 --> 00:01:05,758 women around Britain who legally sell sex for a living. 22 00:01:05,862 --> 00:01:07,448 - Bah! [laughs] 23 00:01:07,551 --> 00:01:10,827 - Fuelled by websites and social media, 24 00:01:10,931 --> 00:01:13,034 a new economy has emerged, 25 00:01:13,137 --> 00:01:15,655 bringing a world of transactional sex 26 00:01:15,758 --> 00:01:18,931 to people who might never previously have considered it. 27 00:01:19,034 --> 00:01:22,068 - [reads] A splendidly satisfactory young lady. 28 00:01:22,172 --> 00:01:24,482 - Wow! That one's almost, I don't know, written in... 29 00:01:24,586 --> 00:01:25,517 - Eloquent. 30 00:01:25,620 --> 00:01:27,482 - ..sort of Victorian English. - [laughs] 31 00:01:27,586 --> 00:01:31,275 But the act still carries a weight of stigma, 32 00:01:31,379 --> 00:01:33,896 and many view it as damaging and degrading. 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,689 - People say that I'm a bad mum and stuff like that, 34 00:01:36,793 --> 00:01:38,310 'cause I do what I do. 35 00:01:38,413 --> 00:01:40,862 But, you know, we're just providing a service, 36 00:01:40,965 --> 00:01:42,172 that's what we're doing. 37 00:01:42,275 --> 00:01:45,758 - Raising the question of whether selling sex 38 00:01:45,862 --> 00:01:48,896 can ever be a healthy way to make money. 39 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,482 [reads] I'm very relaxed and will give you a genuine, 40 00:01:52,586 --> 00:01:56,413 not acted, real girlfriend experience. 41 00:01:56,517 --> 00:01:59,517 I promise you that we will have a time you will never forget. 42 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:02,206 [soft music] 43 00:02:02,310 --> 00:02:04,000 [computer keystrokes] 44 00:02:15,896 --> 00:02:19,000 In Nottingham, I had a breakfast appointment. 45 00:02:19,103 --> 00:02:20,379 [knock on door] 46 00:02:23,586 --> 00:02:25,310 - Hi! Louis. - Hello! 47 00:02:25,413 --> 00:02:26,689 - Are you Victoria? - I am. 48 00:02:26,793 --> 00:02:27,896 - Nice to meet you. - And you. 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,620 - Can we come in? - Yeah, come on in. 50 00:02:32,034 --> 00:02:33,758 What do you want, you lot? 51 00:02:33,862 --> 00:02:35,793 Who's having toast? 52 00:02:35,896 --> 00:02:39,172 - At 33 years old, Victoria, her working name, 53 00:02:39,275 --> 00:02:42,931 is a single mum and sole provider for her family. 54 00:02:43,034 --> 00:02:44,689 - No. - Kid: Yeah! 55 00:02:44,793 --> 00:02:46,344 - For the last 4.5 years, 56 00:02:46,448 --> 00:02:48,482 she's worked in the sex industry. 57 00:02:48,586 --> 00:02:52,000 - How many children do you have? - Four. 58 00:02:52,103 --> 00:02:55,000 - Socks would be a bonus at some point, wouldn't they? 59 00:02:55,103 --> 00:02:58,689 - Listen to Mummy. You need to go and put your socks on. 60 00:02:58,793 --> 00:03:00,103 - Kid: Yay! 61 00:03:00,206 --> 00:03:02,379 - Victoria: Bye! - Louis: Bye! 62 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:05,379 - I'll let you sit on the comfy chair. [laughs] 63 00:03:05,482 --> 00:03:06,896 This is me, yeah. 64 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,758 - Like an increasing number of women who sell sex, 65 00:03:09,862 --> 00:03:12,448 Victoria finds her clients through social media 66 00:03:12,551 --> 00:03:15,137 and a website called Adult Work. 67 00:03:15,241 --> 00:03:17,724 - So, I'll show you my profile. 68 00:03:17,827 --> 00:03:20,689 - Is that you? - That's me, yeah. 69 00:03:20,793 --> 00:03:22,827 - [reads] Classy Filth69. 70 00:03:22,931 --> 00:03:26,793 I'm very honest, caring, upfront and extremely classy lady, 71 00:03:26,896 --> 00:03:29,068 who enjoys all the finer things in life, 72 00:03:29,172 --> 00:03:30,724 but when it comes to the bedroom, 73 00:03:30,827 --> 00:03:33,448 I'm the most naughtiest, filthiest lady 74 00:03:33,551 --> 00:03:35,275 you would ever meet. 75 00:03:35,379 --> 00:03:36,344 - What do you think? 76 00:03:36,448 --> 00:03:38,413 - It's the Yin and the Yang. I like it. 77 00:03:38,517 --> 00:03:40,103 - Yeah. 78 00:03:40,206 --> 00:03:42,310 - And how many bookings would you expect to get on a day 79 00:03:42,413 --> 00:03:44,379 when you are on? 80 00:03:44,482 --> 00:03:46,103 - I normally get about four. 81 00:03:48,275 --> 00:03:49,931 - So, that... - Four in one day? 82 00:03:50,034 --> 00:03:51,758 - Yeah. So you gotta understand 83 00:03:51,862 --> 00:03:54,793 I still like to take the children to school, 84 00:03:54,896 --> 00:03:57,172 so, and then I'll try and do my bookings, 85 00:03:57,275 --> 00:03:59,551 the majority of them, while the children are at school. 86 00:03:59,655 --> 00:04:01,724 - It's important to you to be around for the kids? 87 00:04:01,827 --> 00:04:04,275 - Yeah. So, I always say, like, 88 00:04:04,379 --> 00:04:06,655 my main job is to be a mother. 89 00:04:06,758 --> 00:04:10,344 Then the second is, obviously, work. 90 00:04:10,448 --> 00:04:16,206 That's why this is a perfect job for me, you know? 91 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:18,034 Flexible. 92 00:04:23,172 --> 00:04:25,689 - Louis: Victoria never takes bookings at home. 93 00:04:25,793 --> 00:04:27,275 She does most of her appointments 94 00:04:27,379 --> 00:04:29,172 at hotels around Nottingham, 95 00:04:29,275 --> 00:04:32,413 charging around 250 pounds an hour. 96 00:04:32,517 --> 00:04:35,517 How much do we know about this guy? This client? 97 00:04:35,620 --> 00:04:40,103 - I've seen him practically, like, once a week he sees me. 98 00:04:40,206 --> 00:04:42,758 He's a single guy. 99 00:04:42,862 --> 00:04:48,655 He can just keep going and going and going and going. 100 00:04:48,758 --> 00:04:50,620 - Are you aware of there being 101 00:04:50,724 --> 00:04:53,862 a degree of danger involved in the work? 102 00:04:53,965 --> 00:04:56,931 - There's a danger in anything, isn't there? 103 00:04:57,034 --> 00:05:01,310 And I think that this is a lot less dangerous 104 00:05:01,413 --> 00:05:05,344 than me on a night out, being drunk and meeting somebody 105 00:05:05,448 --> 00:05:07,793 and going back to a hotel with somebody. 106 00:05:07,896 --> 00:05:11,241 But I think you just have to be on guard. 107 00:05:11,344 --> 00:05:13,827 [soft music] 108 00:05:15,862 --> 00:05:17,965 - Have you worked in this one before? 109 00:05:18,068 --> 00:05:19,655 - Yes. 110 00:05:22,448 --> 00:05:23,793 - Do you need to get into... - I need to get changed. 111 00:05:23,896 --> 00:05:24,793 - I need to jump in the shower. 112 00:05:24,896 --> 00:05:26,448 - You need to get into game mode. Yeah. 113 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:31,068 [shower running] 114 00:05:31,172 --> 00:05:32,551 [phone chimes] 115 00:05:36,482 --> 00:05:38,103 - I'm coming. 116 00:05:39,379 --> 00:05:41,448 Going and going, isn't it? 117 00:05:41,551 --> 00:05:44,000 That's it, I'm dressed now. 118 00:05:44,103 --> 00:05:46,620 - That's all the jobs coming. - Is it? 119 00:05:46,724 --> 00:05:48,034 - Yeah. - It's popping off? 120 00:05:48,137 --> 00:05:49,586 - Yeah, it's dinner time. 121 00:05:49,689 --> 00:05:51,172 - Dinner time. - Yeah, break time. 122 00:05:51,275 --> 00:05:52,655 - Right. People on their lunch break... 123 00:05:52,758 --> 00:05:54,517 - Yeah. - Popping out for a quickie. 124 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:55,655 - Yeah. 125 00:05:57,551 --> 00:05:59,448 [knock on door] 126 00:06:01,068 --> 00:06:04,344 - With the client arriving, it was time for me to leave. 127 00:06:16,448 --> 00:06:19,931 The exchange of sex for money is legal in Britain 128 00:06:20,034 --> 00:06:23,379 so long as it doesn't involve coercion, exploitation 129 00:06:23,482 --> 00:06:25,689 or any kind of public nuisance. 130 00:06:26,896 --> 00:06:29,172 And with the advent of social media 131 00:06:29,275 --> 00:06:32,413 and specialist websites it is on the rise. 132 00:06:34,379 --> 00:06:37,241 Technology has made sexual services more accessible 133 00:06:37,344 --> 00:06:40,620 than ever before, with every taste catered to. 134 00:06:43,551 --> 00:06:46,068 Users can see photos, check reviews 135 00:06:46,172 --> 00:06:47,758 and offer feedback. 136 00:06:49,344 --> 00:06:50,517 But the age old issue 137 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:53,965 of whether sex should ever be traded remains. 138 00:06:54,068 --> 00:06:57,068 [pensive music] 139 00:07:01,517 --> 00:07:03,379 A growing number of those involved 140 00:07:03,482 --> 00:07:06,000 are said to be students trying to make ends meet 141 00:07:06,103 --> 00:07:08,620 while they pursue an education. 142 00:07:08,724 --> 00:07:11,827 In South West London I was meeting a 23-year-old 143 00:07:11,931 --> 00:07:14,000 in her final year of art school. 144 00:07:16,379 --> 00:07:17,724 - Hello! - Come in. 145 00:07:17,827 --> 00:07:19,241 - Are you Ashleigh? - That's me. 146 00:07:19,344 --> 00:07:21,137 - Louis. How do you do? - Hi! Can we hug instead? 147 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:22,241 - Of course. - [laughs] 148 00:07:22,344 --> 00:07:24,034 - Louis: For several years, Ashleigh had streamed 149 00:07:24,137 --> 00:07:27,379 live sex shows from home for money. 150 00:07:27,482 --> 00:07:30,724 Six weeks earlier she'd taken the step of opening an account 151 00:07:30,827 --> 00:07:32,827 on an industry website. 152 00:07:32,931 --> 00:07:35,413 - Welcome! [laughs] - I like it. Top floor. 153 00:07:35,517 --> 00:07:37,586 Ashleigh also has Asperger's. 154 00:07:37,689 --> 00:07:40,551 She lives with her best friend, Georgina. 155 00:07:40,655 --> 00:07:43,931 It's really nice. It's got so much character. 156 00:07:46,793 --> 00:07:48,862 So I understand you've got a booking tonight? 157 00:07:48,965 --> 00:07:50,206 - Yeah, at eight o'clock. 158 00:07:50,310 --> 00:07:51,689 - Did it come through Adult Work? 159 00:07:51,793 --> 00:07:53,413 - Yeah. So, I put myself as available 160 00:07:53,517 --> 00:07:54,862 at about three o'clock today, 161 00:07:54,965 --> 00:07:57,655 and this guy messaged me, being like, "Oh, I'm in Fulham. 162 00:07:57,758 --> 00:07:59,103 "Can you come out for an hour?" 163 00:07:59,206 --> 00:08:01,379 And he was, like, "I'm 25, 5 foot 10, same height as you. 164 00:08:01,482 --> 00:08:03,551 "Clean." Like, I know. 165 00:08:03,655 --> 00:08:06,413 Like, it's gonna... Yeah, it should be fine. 166 00:08:06,517 --> 00:08:08,620 - Have you got reviews of the guy? 167 00:08:08,724 --> 00:08:10,034 - That I'm going to see? - Yeah. 168 00:08:10,137 --> 00:08:11,758 - OK, let me have a look. - Have you looked at them? 169 00:08:11,862 --> 00:08:13,620 - No. Let me go and look. 170 00:08:14,827 --> 00:08:16,586 Well, they were all positive so, like, that was fine. 171 00:08:16,689 --> 00:08:18,517 - Yeah. If you go on it and they're all positive... 172 00:08:18,620 --> 00:08:21,448 - So, he's got 498. - ..there's not really a... 173 00:08:21,551 --> 00:08:23,620 - [gasps] - Louis: Reviews? 174 00:08:23,724 --> 00:08:27,965 - Yeah. "Good guy. Big cock. Knows how to use it." Ah! 175 00:08:28,068 --> 00:08:29,310 [laughs] 176 00:08:29,413 --> 00:08:33,137 "One hour full of orgasms and pleasure. Kiss, kiss, kiss." 177 00:08:33,241 --> 00:08:36,310 - "Expected someone coy. Was instead surprised by a real man, 178 00:08:36,413 --> 00:08:39,793 "someone who genuinely taught me so much about my own body." 179 00:08:39,896 --> 00:08:41,034 - Maybe I'm in for a wild ride tonight. 180 00:08:41,137 --> 00:08:42,034 - Wow! 181 00:08:42,137 --> 00:08:43,586 - "Handsome and possessed great skill." 182 00:08:43,689 --> 00:08:46,103 - Who knows? Maybe I'll come out a different woman? 183 00:08:46,206 --> 00:08:47,448 - Sounds like you've got someone 184 00:08:47,551 --> 00:08:49,206 who's been around the block a few times. 185 00:08:49,310 --> 00:08:51,206 - Oh, I'm ready for it. Bring it on, bitch! 186 00:08:51,310 --> 00:08:52,241 [laughter] 187 00:08:52,344 --> 00:08:54,034 - Brm, brm! Can I get dressed? - Yeah, please. Yeah. 188 00:08:54,137 --> 00:08:56,379 - I'm getting nervous. Sorry. Brm, brm! [chuckles] 189 00:09:03,172 --> 00:09:05,551 - Gonna be really late. - Well, let's just go then. 190 00:09:05,655 --> 00:09:07,103 - [laughs] - Let's go. 191 00:09:07,206 --> 00:09:08,827 - I'll just be, like, "Ah, ah!" 192 00:09:15,241 --> 00:09:16,793 - How are you feeling? 193 00:09:16,896 --> 00:09:21,517 - I'm fine, to be honest. I'm, like, excited. It's quite fun. 194 00:09:21,620 --> 00:09:23,793 Like, it's like going out, but without the commitment, 195 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:25,724 'cause it's only one hour and I can leave. 196 00:09:25,827 --> 00:09:27,517 - How many bookings would you say you've had 197 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:29,241 in the six weeks you've been doing it? 198 00:09:29,344 --> 00:09:31,620 - Oh, gosh. 50? 199 00:09:31,724 --> 00:09:33,758 Yeah, maybe? Yeah. 200 00:09:35,586 --> 00:09:37,137 - That's quite a lot, isn't it? 201 00:09:38,206 --> 00:09:40,068 - I know that a lot of people say, like, 202 00:09:40,172 --> 00:09:41,724 "Oh, you don't have to do this," 203 00:09:41,827 --> 00:09:43,551 like, you know, "Saviour complex." 204 00:09:43,655 --> 00:09:46,310 Like, I don't need to be saved. I'm doing it on my own terms, 205 00:09:46,413 --> 00:09:48,965 and I'm actually in power in this situation. 206 00:09:49,068 --> 00:09:52,758 And I feel empowered by it, and if that's how I feel, 207 00:09:52,862 --> 00:09:55,241 then that's all that matters really, you know what I mean? 208 00:09:55,344 --> 00:09:59,068 - Would you expect to have an orgasm if you had sex? 209 00:09:59,172 --> 00:10:02,965 - No. I think that I'm, like, a bit closed off with 210 00:10:03,068 --> 00:10:05,620 letting myself have the enjoyment. 211 00:10:05,724 --> 00:10:07,241 It's more about the scenario. 212 00:10:07,344 --> 00:10:10,310 I will orgasm if I'm in a scenario where I feel calm 213 00:10:10,413 --> 00:10:14,655 and comfortable, as opposed to, like, the actual pleasure. 214 00:10:14,758 --> 00:10:16,517 - But you'd expect to be aroused? 215 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:18,827 - Well, I just get aroused by being touched. 216 00:10:18,931 --> 00:10:19,862 - Do you? 217 00:10:19,965 --> 00:10:22,413 - Yeah, like, if you were to put your arm on my leg right now, 218 00:10:22,517 --> 00:10:23,620 I'd probably be aroused. 219 00:10:23,724 --> 00:10:27,068 Like, people always compliment me, I guess, being, like, 220 00:10:27,172 --> 00:10:29,206 "Oh, you're always so wet. You must be so into it." 221 00:10:29,310 --> 00:10:31,310 And I'm just, like, "Honey, I'm always wet," like... 222 00:10:31,413 --> 00:10:33,620 [laughs] I'm just aroused a lot of the time.' 223 00:10:33,724 --> 00:10:36,793 Yeah. [laughs] 224 00:10:42,172 --> 00:10:45,000 - OK, then. - [laughs] 225 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,344 Let me just have a cigarette. [laughs] 226 00:10:52,137 --> 00:10:54,000 [solemn music] 227 00:10:56,344 --> 00:10:59,172 - With a moment to myself, I reflected on the strangeness 228 00:10:59,275 --> 00:11:01,448 of what was taking place. 229 00:11:04,137 --> 00:11:06,241 Behind a closed door, Ashleigh was providing 230 00:11:06,344 --> 00:11:09,827 what is usually understood to be the most intimate physical act 231 00:11:09,931 --> 00:11:11,827 to a stranger for money. 232 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:17,344 I wondered whether she was safe 233 00:11:17,448 --> 00:11:19,827 and how she really felt about what was happening. 234 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:31,310 An hour later, she re-emerged. 235 00:11:35,689 --> 00:11:37,310 - How was it? - It was great! 236 00:11:37,413 --> 00:11:39,655 - I don't know, he was, like, I'm 23, he was, like, 25, 237 00:11:39,758 --> 00:11:43,137 and he had, like, nice hair, and he was kind of, like, 238 00:11:43,241 --> 00:11:44,448 cool, I guess. 239 00:11:44,551 --> 00:11:45,862 - And I was just, like... - Really? 240 00:11:45,965 --> 00:11:48,310 - "I would date you, I don't know why you're paying me, 241 00:11:48,413 --> 00:11:49,862 "'cause I would go on a date with you." 242 00:11:49,965 --> 00:11:53,862 And I said to him, I was like, "Why do you use Adult Work? 243 00:11:53,965 --> 00:11:57,034 "Like, why not just go on Tinder or whatever?" 244 00:11:57,137 --> 00:11:58,482 And he was like, "On the weekend, 245 00:11:58,586 --> 00:12:01,137 "it's popping off on Tinder. During the week, not so much. 246 00:12:01,241 --> 00:12:03,724 "Everyone's got a job, so gotta get on the old Adult Work 247 00:12:03,827 --> 00:12:06,206 "and it's less, like, commitment, innit?" 248 00:12:07,482 --> 00:12:10,655 - Well, I'm just conscious that you are six weeks in. 249 00:12:10,758 --> 00:12:12,172 - It's still really... - Early days. 250 00:12:12,275 --> 00:12:13,931 - ..early days. - Exactly. 251 00:12:14,034 --> 00:12:16,620 I've been so lucky with the clients that I've got 252 00:12:16,724 --> 00:12:20,103 and the way that, like, it's gone for me. 253 00:12:20,206 --> 00:12:22,344 - So, now you are feeling, what's in your... 254 00:12:22,448 --> 00:12:25,344 - I feel great. I've got money in my bag. 255 00:12:25,448 --> 00:12:27,379 I've been sexually satisfied. 256 00:12:27,482 --> 00:12:30,965 [laughs] I'm gonna go home and order a pizza. 257 00:12:31,068 --> 00:12:34,310 Probably chain smoke some Marlboro cigarettes, 258 00:12:34,413 --> 00:12:36,172 menthol at the moment. 259 00:12:38,448 --> 00:12:40,241 [solemn music] 260 00:12:44,068 --> 00:12:47,965 [plane engine] 261 00:12:56,793 --> 00:12:59,172 - Louis: The common criticism of selling sex, 262 00:12:59,275 --> 00:13:01,379 that the act is necessarily intimate 263 00:13:01,482 --> 00:13:03,275 and should not be traded, 264 00:13:03,379 --> 00:13:04,896 is made even more real 265 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,448 when the person involved is in a relationship. 266 00:13:09,931 --> 00:13:12,448 I was curious to meet a woman participating in 267 00:13:12,551 --> 00:13:16,000 the sexual economy but who is part of a committed couple. 268 00:13:19,724 --> 00:13:20,827 - Hello! - Hi! 269 00:13:20,931 --> 00:13:22,068 - Can I come in? - Come in. 270 00:13:22,172 --> 00:13:23,068 - How are you? 271 00:13:23,172 --> 00:13:25,068 In West Sussex, I was with Caroline, 272 00:13:25,172 --> 00:13:27,931 who describes herself as an escort, 273 00:13:28,034 --> 00:13:30,862 and her husband of 44 years, Graham, 274 00:13:30,965 --> 00:13:32,448 a chartered surveyor. 275 00:13:36,827 --> 00:13:38,793 - On my wedding day was one of the first times 276 00:13:38,896 --> 00:13:41,172 I discovered that I loved being the centre of attention. 277 00:13:41,275 --> 00:13:42,310 - Mmm. 278 00:13:43,379 --> 00:13:45,655 How old were you both? 279 00:13:45,758 --> 00:13:49,206 - I was 19, and Graham was 23. 280 00:13:50,448 --> 00:13:53,413 - And you were both virgins? - Mm-hm. 281 00:13:53,517 --> 00:13:54,448 - Yeah. 282 00:13:54,551 --> 00:13:56,620 - Because you'd come from quite a religious upbringing, 283 00:13:56,724 --> 00:13:58,586 - both of you. - Yes. Yeah. 284 00:13:58,689 --> 00:14:02,482 It wasn't the done thing to have sex before you got married. 285 00:14:02,586 --> 00:14:05,241 Graham would have done, if I'd let him. 286 00:14:05,344 --> 00:14:06,551 - But must be quite difficult. 287 00:14:06,655 --> 00:14:09,137 Neither of you with any sexual experience 288 00:14:09,241 --> 00:14:11,206 attempting to have sex for the first time? 289 00:14:11,310 --> 00:14:13,379 - Yeah. Yes, it was interesting. - Graham: Did it work? 290 00:14:13,482 --> 00:14:14,517 - No. - Oh! 291 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:15,620 [laughter] 292 00:14:15,724 --> 00:14:17,448 - Didn't go very well? - Didn't go very well. 293 00:14:17,551 --> 00:14:20,551 - It wasn't a revelatory experience? 294 00:14:20,655 --> 00:14:22,482 - No. - Do you remember it? 295 00:14:22,586 --> 00:14:25,241 - [laughs] - Vaguely. Not very well. No. 296 00:14:25,344 --> 00:14:26,551 - [laughs] 297 00:14:26,655 --> 00:14:29,275 - It was just on the M1, wasn't it? Trying to get North. 298 00:14:29,379 --> 00:14:31,413 - [laughs] - Newport Pagnell. 299 00:14:31,517 --> 00:14:33,482 - Oh, yeah! [laughs] - Is that a metaphor? 300 00:14:33,586 --> 00:14:35,724 - Well, no, it was Newport... - We went... [laughs] 301 00:14:35,827 --> 00:14:38,206 We went to the Lake District for our honeymoon, 302 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:41,965 so we stopped halfway in a Travelodge overnight. 303 00:14:42,068 --> 00:14:45,862 - It took a while for you to get comfortable with your sexuality? 304 00:14:45,965 --> 00:14:47,344 - Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. 305 00:14:47,448 --> 00:14:49,965 I mean, it took quite a few years, in fact. 306 00:14:50,068 --> 00:14:51,517 Quite a few years. 307 00:14:51,620 --> 00:14:54,655 [soft music] 308 00:14:58,620 --> 00:15:00,448 - Put your head down over... 309 00:15:00,551 --> 00:15:02,758 - Louis: Downstairs, Caroline and Graham had arranged 310 00:15:02,862 --> 00:15:05,310 a photo shoot for Caroline's social media 311 00:15:05,413 --> 00:15:07,931 to attract more clients. 312 00:15:08,034 --> 00:15:11,275 What sort of work did you do before this, Caroline? 313 00:15:11,379 --> 00:15:12,793 - Dental nursing. 314 00:15:12,896 --> 00:15:15,275 I'm still a qualified dental nurse, 315 00:15:15,379 --> 00:15:17,275 but I don't really do it much anymore. 316 00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:19,275 - Do you want to do an explicit one with your bra off? 317 00:15:19,379 --> 00:15:21,206 - OK. 318 00:15:21,310 --> 00:15:24,758 - When you decided to do it, was it for the money 319 00:15:24,862 --> 00:15:28,068 or the adventure or the pleasure of the sex? 320 00:15:28,172 --> 00:15:30,068 - I never thought about being an escort 321 00:15:30,172 --> 00:15:32,689 until we met some friends on holiday 322 00:15:32,793 --> 00:15:34,793 when we were in the South of France, 323 00:15:34,896 --> 00:15:38,034 and she told us that she was an escort. 324 00:15:38,137 --> 00:15:42,000 Probably took me about a year to come to the decision. 325 00:15:42,103 --> 00:15:44,068 But when she first said it, Graham said, 326 00:15:44,172 --> 00:15:45,793 "Ooh, you ought to do that." 327 00:15:45,896 --> 00:15:47,275 - I was joking, to be honest. 328 00:15:47,379 --> 00:15:50,965 - He was joking but one percent serious. 329 00:15:52,068 --> 00:15:53,344 You know, I struggle with, 330 00:15:53,448 --> 00:15:57,275 or have done over the years, with my self-esteem. 331 00:15:57,379 --> 00:16:01,379 So this helps me to see myself in a better light, 332 00:16:01,482 --> 00:16:05,655 when I can see that lots of men want to come and see me 333 00:16:05,758 --> 00:16:07,931 and they fancy me. 334 00:16:08,034 --> 00:16:10,827 It makes me feel better about myself. 335 00:16:10,931 --> 00:16:14,482 And now Graham's my biggest encourager. 336 00:16:17,275 --> 00:16:19,862 - Right. Now turn round to face the mirror. 337 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,482 Yeah. That's great. 338 00:16:26,413 --> 00:16:29,275 [soft music] 339 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,275 - Louis: I was back in Nottingham with Victoria. 340 00:16:40,379 --> 00:16:43,413 I'd been curious to get to know a little more about her. 341 00:16:45,206 --> 00:16:48,103 I knew she'd had to rebuild her life five years earlier 342 00:16:48,206 --> 00:16:50,275 when she'd left the father of her children. 343 00:16:50,379 --> 00:16:51,862 Tell me if you need a hand with anything. 344 00:16:51,965 --> 00:16:54,172 She'd also told me she'd had a difficult upbringing, 345 00:16:54,275 --> 00:16:56,827 moving out of the family home at 14. 346 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,068 I wondered how that had affected her later on. 347 00:17:03,482 --> 00:17:06,551 She was getting her kit bag ready for an appointment. 348 00:17:07,793 --> 00:17:10,413 - Oh, I'm so disorganised. 349 00:17:10,517 --> 00:17:11,482 - What were you looking for? 350 00:17:11,586 --> 00:17:13,620 - A stocking. I only had one stocking. 351 00:17:13,724 --> 00:17:14,931 - Oh. 352 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,310 - [laughs] 353 00:17:17,413 --> 00:17:19,000 - This is gonna sound like a really weird, 354 00:17:19,103 --> 00:17:20,758 open-ended question, OK, but, 355 00:17:20,862 --> 00:17:23,068 what do you think is the right way of doing it? 356 00:17:23,172 --> 00:17:24,758 - What's the right way of doing sex? 357 00:17:24,862 --> 00:17:27,517 - Mmm. - Everybody's different. 358 00:17:27,620 --> 00:17:29,655 Everybody's different, aren't they? 359 00:17:31,034 --> 00:17:32,689 So... 360 00:17:32,793 --> 00:17:34,724 - For you, then. - For me? 361 00:17:37,724 --> 00:17:41,241 I see having a cuddle as sex. [laughs] 362 00:17:42,931 --> 00:17:47,689 I've had, like, so many bad sexual experiences, 363 00:17:47,793 --> 00:17:51,068 like, people just abusing me, taking everything from me 364 00:17:51,172 --> 00:17:55,689 from being 14, that I just think there's nothing... 365 00:17:55,793 --> 00:17:57,896 I can just easily do it. There's nothing... 366 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,517 There's no good connection there through sex. 367 00:18:01,620 --> 00:18:03,862 So I've turned it around, 368 00:18:03,965 --> 00:18:07,413 so I've got an ability to be able to have sex with anybody 369 00:18:07,517 --> 00:18:11,793 and it not mean anything, so I can easily go do my job. 370 00:18:11,896 --> 00:18:12,862 Do you know what I mean? 371 00:18:12,965 --> 00:18:14,758 So I just look at it in a positive way. 372 00:18:15,724 --> 00:18:18,517 [laughs] Is that bad? [laughs] 373 00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:22,275 - Does it feel bad? 374 00:18:22,379 --> 00:18:23,931 - No. No. 375 00:18:24,034 --> 00:18:29,310 I'm not doing anything wrong or illegal, 376 00:18:29,413 --> 00:18:33,655 or anything that people don't want to do. 377 00:18:33,758 --> 00:18:36,517 People want to do this. People come to me, you know? 378 00:18:38,620 --> 00:18:41,103 I just use it as an advantage. 379 00:18:42,724 --> 00:18:46,827 Do you see what I mean? So... 380 00:18:46,931 --> 00:18:48,827 - Were you abused when you were... 381 00:18:48,931 --> 00:18:50,965 Before you were 14, were you abused? 382 00:18:51,068 --> 00:18:55,482 - No. 14. I was just a stray of a kid, really. 383 00:18:55,586 --> 00:18:58,793 I was everywhere and everywhere, so people took advantage. 384 00:19:00,827 --> 00:19:04,206 Especially one guy in particular, who was 25. 385 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,137 Obviously, he just see me as vulnerable, but... 386 00:19:13,137 --> 00:19:14,034 Yeah. 387 00:19:14,137 --> 00:19:15,655 - Someone who took advantage of you? 388 00:19:15,758 --> 00:19:17,862 - Yeah. Yeah. 389 00:19:20,103 --> 00:19:22,689 So... [laughs] 390 00:19:22,793 --> 00:19:24,724 But when you're young and when you're vulnerable 391 00:19:24,827 --> 00:19:27,896 and when you've got nowhere to go and nothing to do, 392 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,172 you don't go to school, you don't have really a home... 393 00:19:33,655 --> 00:19:35,517 and somebody shows an interest, 394 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:37,517 you don't realise it's just sexual. 395 00:19:37,620 --> 00:19:40,724 You'd think that they care about you and stuff like that, 396 00:19:40,827 --> 00:19:42,137 you know? 397 00:19:42,241 --> 00:19:46,448 So, I used to do all these crazy sexual things 398 00:19:46,551 --> 00:19:47,689 to keep him happy. 399 00:19:49,241 --> 00:19:53,310 Yeah, sex is just not the same for me as most people. 400 00:19:56,655 --> 00:20:00,482 I think that's the best way to word it, I think. 401 00:20:02,275 --> 00:20:04,172 - Is that all that's coming? I can carry that. 402 00:20:04,275 --> 00:20:06,931 - Are you sure? - Yeah. 403 00:20:07,034 --> 00:20:09,586 - Must be good for something. - Oh, I'm hot now. [laughs] 404 00:20:11,034 --> 00:20:14,034 - Is that it? - That's it. All done. 405 00:20:15,655 --> 00:20:18,551 [solemn music] 406 00:20:18,655 --> 00:20:21,482 - The revelation of Victoria's abuse seemed to put her decision 407 00:20:21,586 --> 00:20:24,000 to sell sex in a different light. 408 00:20:25,413 --> 00:20:27,965 Now seemed a side effect of her upbringing, 409 00:20:28,068 --> 00:20:30,517 but whether that made it the wrong lifestyle for her 410 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:32,241 was a different question. 411 00:20:36,103 --> 00:20:38,344 We were on our way to another hotel. 412 00:20:38,448 --> 00:20:41,034 One of her regulars had agreed to speak to me 413 00:20:41,137 --> 00:20:42,689 with his identity protected. 414 00:20:45,172 --> 00:20:46,517 [knock on door] 415 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,931 - Victoria: Hello! - Louis: How are you doing? 416 00:20:49,034 --> 00:20:52,241 - Man: Nervous. - Louis: Yeah. I can imagine. 417 00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:54,551 Victoria was saying that you've been seeing each other 418 00:20:54,655 --> 00:20:56,448 for a couple of months, wasn't it? 419 00:20:56,551 --> 00:20:57,862 - Couple of months, yeah. 420 00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:00,586 - How did you first find out about her? 421 00:21:00,689 --> 00:21:03,172 - It was through an online site actually. 422 00:21:03,275 --> 00:21:04,241 - Mmm. 423 00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:06,482 - Looked at Victoria's profile, I went really, really deep 424 00:21:06,586 --> 00:21:09,482 into the research of, like, what she's like. 425 00:21:09,586 --> 00:21:10,517 - As I understand it, 426 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:12,896 you were coming out of a relationship, is that right? 427 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,206 - Yes, that's correct. It had kinda gone dead. 428 00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:18,034 In fact, there was no contact anymore, no... 429 00:21:18,137 --> 00:21:19,310 - No physical side to it? 430 00:21:19,413 --> 00:21:21,931 - No physical side to it, no emotional side to it. 431 00:21:22,034 --> 00:21:25,827 I was kinda crying out for basically some attention. 432 00:21:25,931 --> 00:21:27,172 - Mmm. 433 00:21:27,275 --> 00:21:31,310 Is the aim to get back to a kind of girlfriend relationship? 434 00:21:31,413 --> 00:21:33,206 - I don't know what I want at the minute. 435 00:21:33,310 --> 00:21:35,000 I think I'm trying to find my way 436 00:21:35,103 --> 00:21:37,413 of reconnecting with new people again. 437 00:21:37,517 --> 00:21:40,379 And this has been kind of a big help for that. 438 00:21:40,482 --> 00:21:43,241 It's actually been a big boost of confidence for me. 439 00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:46,758 - I think this is, like, a bit of fresh air. 440 00:21:46,862 --> 00:21:48,965 A breath of fresh air, do you know what I mean? 441 00:21:49,068 --> 00:21:52,103 And I think without that, that could... 442 00:21:52,206 --> 00:21:55,620 you could spiral down into depression. 443 00:21:55,724 --> 00:21:57,344 - I could. Yeah, like you say, I could... 444 00:21:57,448 --> 00:21:59,655 - Like, problem... I don't know. That's my thinking. 445 00:21:59,758 --> 00:22:02,724 - Oh, yeah. No, I know I could have spiralled out really badly. 446 00:22:02,827 --> 00:22:08,655 - Is it important for you that Victoria enjoys 447 00:22:08,758 --> 00:22:10,586 having sex with you? 448 00:22:10,689 --> 00:22:12,448 - Oh, God, yeah. 449 00:22:12,551 --> 00:22:15,689 I only want us to do things that we both wanna do together. 450 00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:20,620 I'm not interested in meeting somebody who's just... 451 00:22:20,724 --> 00:22:25,241 there to please me in that kinda way and then leave it at that. 452 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:28,310 - But at the same time, we have to acknowledge 453 00:22:28,413 --> 00:22:31,689 that she would not be having sex with you 454 00:22:31,793 --> 00:22:35,103 were it not for the professional arrangement, right? 455 00:22:35,206 --> 00:22:37,068 - I would assume so. - Yeah. 456 00:22:38,586 --> 00:22:40,137 - It's not something I've actually given 457 00:22:40,241 --> 00:22:41,689 a lot of thought to. 458 00:22:42,896 --> 00:22:45,275 I don't know where I sit with that at the minute. 459 00:22:47,068 --> 00:22:50,482 [solemn music] 460 00:22:50,586 --> 00:22:53,034 - I was surprised at the apparent vulnerability 461 00:22:53,137 --> 00:22:55,103 of Victoria's client 462 00:22:55,206 --> 00:22:57,206 and also by him failing to consider 463 00:22:57,310 --> 00:23:00,655 whether Victoria might not enjoy the sex. 464 00:23:02,275 --> 00:23:05,172 I wondered about the impact on her 465 00:23:05,275 --> 00:23:09,000 of having to impersonate a level of intimacy she didn't feel. 466 00:23:17,241 --> 00:23:19,551 [soft music] 467 00:23:21,586 --> 00:23:23,241 [child laughs] 468 00:23:23,344 --> 00:23:26,103 - Victoria: You can have your TV on for a little bit. 469 00:23:26,206 --> 00:23:28,655 - Louis: later that day, back at home, 470 00:23:28,758 --> 00:23:31,620 it was time for the evening routine with the kids. 471 00:23:31,724 --> 00:23:34,758 Who's in this one, then? 472 00:23:34,862 --> 00:23:37,241 This is like being on a submarine, this one. 473 00:23:37,344 --> 00:23:39,379 - Kid: Yeah! - Whoa! 474 00:23:39,482 --> 00:23:42,000 - It's quite long, isn't it? - Victoria: It's huge. 475 00:23:42,103 --> 00:23:43,965 - Uh-oh! There's a ninja. 476 00:23:44,068 --> 00:23:46,206 He's got a special way of ninja walking. 477 00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:47,241 [Victoria laughs] 478 00:23:47,344 --> 00:23:49,379 - He's so quiet when he's ninja walking. 479 00:23:49,482 --> 00:23:50,931 [Victoria laughs] 480 00:23:51,034 --> 00:23:52,448 - He's ninja-walked away. 481 00:23:54,344 --> 00:23:57,068 Victoria had told me she planned to tell her boys what she does 482 00:23:57,172 --> 00:23:58,793 when they're older, 483 00:23:58,896 --> 00:24:01,344 but she's made no secret of it in the wider community 484 00:24:01,448 --> 00:24:03,655 Show me around. What have we got in here? 485 00:24:03,758 --> 00:24:05,655 Among those in the know is her daughter, 486 00:24:05,758 --> 00:24:09,103 14-year-old Sapphire, who she told a year ago. 487 00:24:10,689 --> 00:24:12,724 We talked a little bit downstairs, didn't we, 488 00:24:12,827 --> 00:24:14,620 about escorting? 489 00:24:14,724 --> 00:24:16,620 What's your view of it? 490 00:24:16,724 --> 00:24:19,206 - I think, if she wants to do it, then it's her choice. 491 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:23,034 Nobody should, like, not accept that, 492 00:24:23,137 --> 00:24:25,172 or nobody should say anything bad about it 493 00:24:25,275 --> 00:24:26,655 because it's her decision. 494 00:24:26,758 --> 00:24:29,896 - Do you understand why some people don't like it? 495 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,448 - Yeah, it's just a job that people see as a negative job. 496 00:24:33,551 --> 00:24:37,068 Like, if you're in a bank, that's a good job. 497 00:24:37,172 --> 00:24:40,655 If you're a cleaner, that's seen as a bad job. 498 00:24:40,758 --> 00:24:42,793 It's just one of the jobs that people don't like, 499 00:24:42,896 --> 00:24:45,586 and I think that because she has children, as well, 500 00:24:45,689 --> 00:24:49,310 people are like, "That's setting a bad example for your kids." 501 00:24:49,413 --> 00:24:53,137 But we don't mind. Well, I don't mind, anyway. 502 00:24:53,241 --> 00:24:57,172 She's come from, like, not having a lot 503 00:24:57,275 --> 00:25:02,448 to having everything that she needs and a lot more, so. 504 00:25:02,551 --> 00:25:04,758 Yeah, really proud of her. 505 00:25:05,965 --> 00:25:07,896 - She seems like she's a really good mum. 506 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,241 - She is. She is a really good mum. 507 00:25:10,344 --> 00:25:12,379 [soft music] 508 00:25:14,689 --> 00:25:16,620 [child laughs] 509 00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,689 - Victoria: Bring me your Lego box. 510 00:25:20,931 --> 00:25:23,379 - Louis: I left Victoria struck by the contrast 511 00:25:23,482 --> 00:25:25,586 between a happy and stable home 512 00:25:25,689 --> 00:25:27,448 and the way that many would view the work 513 00:25:27,551 --> 00:25:29,206 that was underpinning it. 514 00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:32,379 [solemn music] 515 00:25:39,689 --> 00:25:42,551 It's hard to know how much the cost of selling sex 516 00:25:42,655 --> 00:25:45,517 stems from the sense of judgement it brings with it. 517 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:49,275 But it's been suggested that younger people 518 00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:51,586 may take a less critical view. 519 00:25:53,448 --> 00:25:55,068 I wondered what Ashleigh's friends 520 00:25:55,172 --> 00:25:56,689 thought about her lifestyle 521 00:25:56,793 --> 00:26:00,068 and, so, I'd arranged to meet some of them at a parent's house 522 00:26:00,172 --> 00:26:02,758 where they were discussing a joint art project. 523 00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:10,000 - We wanted to show the extremes of, like, the sex work stuff. 524 00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:12,448 Louisa is our designer. 525 00:26:12,551 --> 00:26:14,103 - I've been brought on... - Costume. 526 00:26:14,206 --> 00:26:16,206 - ..just to do costumes, I'm not performing. 527 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:21,724 - Are you curious how Ashleigh's found it so far, the sex work? 528 00:26:21,827 --> 00:26:24,758 - Yeah, kind of. I mean, I presume you're happy? 529 00:26:24,862 --> 00:26:26,275 - Yeah, I'm fine. - Yeah? 530 00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:27,517 - There you go. 531 00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:30,206 If I was upset, they'd both be able to tell, for one. 532 00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:32,379 And, like, they just won't pry. 533 00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:34,448 Like, if I say, "I'm fine," they know that's just it, 534 00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:36,068 I'm fine, they don't need to ask questions. 535 00:26:36,172 --> 00:26:37,620 So they're both very supportive. 536 00:26:37,724 --> 00:26:39,379 And I've fucked her over millions of times. 537 00:26:39,482 --> 00:26:40,448 - So many times. 538 00:26:40,551 --> 00:26:42,000 - I've been so horrible to her in the past. 539 00:26:42,103 --> 00:26:44,034 - I think a lot of people in your life have, like, 540 00:26:44,137 --> 00:26:46,586 come against a struggle or something that's difficult 541 00:26:46,689 --> 00:26:48,931 about your friendship and just cut you off, and just been, 542 00:26:49,034 --> 00:26:50,620 like, "Do you know what? I don't need it." 543 00:26:50,724 --> 00:26:53,103 - Are you saying that a friendship with Ashleigh 544 00:26:53,206 --> 00:26:55,034 comes with a certain amount of drama? 545 00:26:55,137 --> 00:26:56,379 - Ashleigh: Yeah. - [laughter] 546 00:26:56,482 --> 00:26:58,379 - Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. - That's putting it lightly. 547 00:26:58,482 --> 00:27:00,241 - No, no, that's, like, that's a teaspoon. 548 00:27:00,344 --> 00:27:02,965 Oh, some person in one of my other friendship groups 549 00:27:03,068 --> 00:27:04,172 that I'm friends with 550 00:27:04,275 --> 00:27:06,379 has decided to book me for his birthday, 551 00:27:06,482 --> 00:27:07,862 so I'm gonna have sex with, 552 00:27:07,965 --> 00:27:09,793 like, one of my friends for his birthday. 553 00:27:09,896 --> 00:27:12,620 - It sounds potentially quite confusing, 554 00:27:12,724 --> 00:27:14,724 I would have thought, no? 555 00:27:14,827 --> 00:27:17,344 - What's confusing? [laughs] 556 00:27:17,448 --> 00:27:19,068 - [sighs] I don't know. 557 00:27:19,172 --> 00:27:20,862 - He's just my friend who's gonna come round 558 00:27:20,965 --> 00:27:22,103 and have sex on his birthday. 559 00:27:22,206 --> 00:27:24,310 I'm offering a service, he wants the service, 560 00:27:24,413 --> 00:27:27,172 and that's how it's going. And nothing's gonna come of it. 561 00:27:27,275 --> 00:27:28,827 - It's actually better doing it this way, 562 00:27:28,931 --> 00:27:32,551 because if there wasn't an exchange happening, 563 00:27:32,655 --> 00:27:35,344 like, financially, then that would be more confusing, surely? 564 00:27:35,448 --> 00:27:36,551 - Yeah. 565 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:38,965 - And then afterwards he'll go back to being your friend? 566 00:27:39,068 --> 00:27:41,551 - Yeah. - I guess that can work. 567 00:27:41,655 --> 00:27:42,896 - Yeah. - I don't know. 568 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,241 - I mean, that's kind of what our generation are like anyway. 569 00:27:45,344 --> 00:27:46,241 - Yeah. - Really? 570 00:27:46,344 --> 00:27:49,275 - If you look in many friendship groups, 571 00:27:49,379 --> 00:27:51,172 most people have had sex with each other. 572 00:27:51,275 --> 00:27:53,241 Not every friendship group, like, definitely. 573 00:27:53,344 --> 00:27:54,482 - Yeah, it's what happens. 574 00:27:54,586 --> 00:27:57,000 - But I think sex now, even compared to, 575 00:27:57,103 --> 00:28:01,448 like, 20 years ago, is just so liberal. 576 00:28:01,551 --> 00:28:02,862 Like, just, like... 577 00:28:02,965 --> 00:28:05,620 And, like, quite meaningless to a lot of people. 578 00:28:05,724 --> 00:28:09,413 Dating apps have come almost to fill the need 579 00:28:09,517 --> 00:28:13,586 of how we have sex with each other in these days. 580 00:28:13,689 --> 00:28:15,862 - How long do you think you're gonna do it for? 581 00:28:15,965 --> 00:28:19,413 - I can't see myself in the future having a real job. 582 00:28:19,517 --> 00:28:21,482 A real job? I mean, like, a 9-to-5 583 00:28:21,586 --> 00:28:23,413 is what I mean when I say "real job." 584 00:28:23,517 --> 00:28:26,068 Like, standard as a 9-to-5. 585 00:28:26,172 --> 00:28:28,758 Just because of, like, my head. 586 00:28:28,862 --> 00:28:31,448 If I was making enough money from just doing art stuff, 587 00:28:31,551 --> 00:28:34,896 then, fab, but, like, I'm fine working like everyone else, 588 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,793 to get my money to pay for things. 589 00:28:36,896 --> 00:28:38,896 I don't expect it to be given to me. 590 00:28:40,068 --> 00:28:43,965 - That's good, isn't it? [laughs] 591 00:28:44,068 --> 00:28:46,137 - Louis: It was reassuring to see Ashleigh in the midst 592 00:28:46,241 --> 00:28:48,827 of a caring peer group. 593 00:28:48,931 --> 00:28:51,655 I was struck by their view that sex was something that 594 00:28:51,758 --> 00:28:55,448 could be freely traded between acquaintances and strangers 595 00:28:55,551 --> 00:28:57,724 without consequences, 596 00:28:57,827 --> 00:29:00,241 though I also had the impression of them wanting to make 597 00:29:00,344 --> 00:29:02,344 a show of support for a friend 598 00:29:02,448 --> 00:29:04,655 they viewed as a little bit vulnerable. 599 00:29:12,655 --> 00:29:14,758 For those who are close to someone selling sex, 600 00:29:14,862 --> 00:29:17,689 I could only imagine there must be a balance between, 601 00:29:17,793 --> 00:29:20,482 on the one hand, respecting their choice, 602 00:29:20,586 --> 00:29:23,379 and on the other, wanting to save them from a lifestyle 603 00:29:23,482 --> 00:29:26,931 many still view as damaging. 604 00:29:27,034 --> 00:29:30,620 And for those in a committed relationship, even more so. 605 00:29:32,241 --> 00:29:35,172 In West Sussex, I was back with Caroline and Graham. 606 00:29:36,344 --> 00:29:39,413 - Is that alright for you, Louis? [speaks French] 607 00:29:39,517 --> 00:29:41,379 - Merci beaucoup. 608 00:29:41,482 --> 00:29:43,068 - [speaks French] [laughs] 609 00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:45,793 - Mmm! - I've no idea what that meant. 610 00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:47,482 - What time is the client coming? 611 00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:49,517 - He's coming at ten. 612 00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:52,655 - What can you tell me about him? 613 00:29:53,758 --> 00:29:57,275 - Nice guy, middle-aged. 614 00:29:57,379 --> 00:30:00,482 - Mm-hm. Meaning, 60? 50? 615 00:30:00,586 --> 00:30:03,206 - Fifties. - Mm-hm. He's someone you... 616 00:30:03,310 --> 00:30:05,482 - I've met him quite a few times, yes. 617 00:30:05,586 --> 00:30:07,655 - He's a regular? - He's a regular. Yeah. 618 00:30:07,758 --> 00:30:10,000 - So, this picture stays up, does it? 619 00:30:10,103 --> 00:30:11,137 - Yeah. Yeah. 620 00:30:11,241 --> 00:30:13,758 - I mean, that could almost be a bit off-putting, couldn't it? 621 00:30:13,862 --> 00:30:16,896 You are maybe paying for the girlfriend experience... 622 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:17,931 - Mmm. 623 00:30:18,034 --> 00:30:21,000 - ..and then there's a picture of a random guy... 624 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,517 with his hands on your "girlfriend..." 625 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:27,586 - Yes. - ..that you've paid for. 626 00:30:27,689 --> 00:30:29,034 - Yeah, well, that's a good point, yeah. 627 00:30:29,137 --> 00:30:30,448 - But then there's the other side. 628 00:30:30,551 --> 00:30:32,862 You make no secret of the fact that you're married. 629 00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:35,862 - No, I don't make any secret of the fact that I'm married. 630 00:30:35,965 --> 00:30:38,137 - You mentioned, I think, that you do... 631 00:30:38,241 --> 00:30:39,896 or at least sometimes, 632 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,827 you do enjoy having sex with your clients... 633 00:30:42,931 --> 00:30:44,517 - Yes, I do. - ..maybe, right? 634 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:49,034 - Because I think it's an amazing job, 635 00:30:49,137 --> 00:30:51,931 if you like to call it that, that I can have, 636 00:30:52,034 --> 00:30:55,241 to give so many men so much pleasure. 637 00:30:57,344 --> 00:31:00,310 And I know that I do that. 638 00:31:00,413 --> 00:31:04,793 I make so many men happy, and I love that. 639 00:31:06,689 --> 00:31:08,379 - And it makes you happy, by the way. 640 00:31:08,482 --> 00:31:10,758 - And it makes me happy. It makes me happy. 641 00:31:10,862 --> 00:31:13,689 Basically, for most of my life, 642 00:31:13,793 --> 00:31:17,344 I've not wanted to be in the foreground at all. 643 00:31:17,448 --> 00:31:20,206 I've been like a snail sort of in its shell. 644 00:31:21,586 --> 00:31:24,862 And I've always sort of hidden behind Graham 645 00:31:24,965 --> 00:31:30,000 and I feel like it's my time 646 00:31:30,103 --> 00:31:36,034 to come out and be the person... the real me. 647 00:31:36,137 --> 00:31:40,034 And I feel like, you know, this sort of sexual freedom 648 00:31:40,137 --> 00:31:43,172 that I've moved into is the real me. 649 00:31:43,275 --> 00:31:45,931 [solemn music] 650 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,793 - So, when I'm around, I'll often do this. 651 00:32:00,103 --> 00:32:02,068 Well, I know the dress I like. 652 00:32:02,172 --> 00:32:05,103 From what you've told me about him, he'll like that. 653 00:32:07,137 --> 00:32:08,689 - [sighs] I'm ready. 654 00:32:10,241 --> 00:32:14,344 Well, you have a great time. Enjoy yourself. 655 00:32:17,517 --> 00:32:20,413 - Louis: With the client en route, Graham and I left 656 00:32:20,517 --> 00:32:22,793 for a local pub to give them some space. 657 00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:27,448 It would also be a chance to talk to him about his marriage. 658 00:32:29,206 --> 00:32:33,896 When she became a little bit emotional back at the house, 659 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,206 what was behind that? 660 00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:38,931 - She was brought up to believe that women should be seen... 661 00:32:39,034 --> 00:32:42,206 Well, probably not even seen. Not seen and not heard. 662 00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:43,758 And that was her upbringing, 663 00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:47,551 and she just carried it on into her adult life. 664 00:32:47,655 --> 00:32:52,000 I knew, for example, sexually, she was pretty... 665 00:32:52,103 --> 00:32:54,655 suppressed, to put it mildly, so that was an issue. 666 00:32:54,758 --> 00:32:55,724 - Meaning what? 667 00:32:55,827 --> 00:32:57,551 - Well, she just didn't want to have sex. 668 00:32:57,655 --> 00:32:59,241 - At all? - No. 669 00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:01,310 So if I'd been different, I would have probably been a guy 670 00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:02,896 who would go and see escorts. 671 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,655 So I kept on thinking, you know, "How can I initiate her? 672 00:33:07,758 --> 00:33:10,965 "How can I... Maybe she might change." 673 00:33:11,068 --> 00:33:14,206 I never dreamt that Caroline would take it this far. 674 00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:15,965 - Really? - Oh, never. 675 00:33:16,068 --> 00:33:17,862 No, I didn't have the end game in mind 676 00:33:17,965 --> 00:33:21,172 that the final part of this for Caroline would be an escort. 677 00:33:21,275 --> 00:33:24,793 - It sounds as though having sorta nudged her along the way, 678 00:33:24,896 --> 00:33:27,655 now she's taken off like a rocket, 679 00:33:27,758 --> 00:33:31,896 and you're now in the position, slightly paradoxically, 680 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,862 of being less certain about where you are. 681 00:33:37,655 --> 00:33:38,689 - Yes. 682 00:33:38,793 --> 00:33:41,517 If we've had a row, or if things haven't gone right, 683 00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:45,206 or if I feel that I haven't been thought of 684 00:33:45,310 --> 00:33:48,103 or considered in some way or another, 685 00:33:48,206 --> 00:33:52,310 then I can feel something negative coming out of me. 686 00:33:52,413 --> 00:33:55,793 I can feel maybe a bit jealous or a bit irritated. 687 00:33:57,103 --> 00:33:58,482 - About what? 688 00:33:58,586 --> 00:34:01,172 - What she's doing sometimes. - Having sex with another guy? 689 00:34:01,275 --> 00:34:03,275 - Yeah. We'd have these great big flare-ups, 690 00:34:03,379 --> 00:34:06,344 but, of course, then so I would threaten with, you know, 691 00:34:06,448 --> 00:34:08,448 that it'd be the end of our sexually free lifestyle, 692 00:34:08,551 --> 00:34:10,034 end of everything. 693 00:34:10,137 --> 00:34:15,241 And then, of course, four hours later we'll be fine. 694 00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:18,793 I want her to be absolutely successful 695 00:34:18,896 --> 00:34:20,137 as a woman in her own right, 696 00:34:20,241 --> 00:34:22,448 'cause she's never been in her own right. 697 00:34:22,551 --> 00:34:25,655 I want her to be happy and have pleasure. 698 00:34:25,758 --> 00:34:30,586 I really do, you know, in every way, not just sexually. 699 00:34:34,206 --> 00:34:35,655 [solemn music] 700 00:34:38,620 --> 00:34:40,586 - Graham: Ooh, hello, gorgeous! - Mm-hm! 701 00:34:40,689 --> 00:34:42,931 - How are you? - Mmm, good. [laughs] 702 00:34:43,034 --> 00:34:46,275 - How was it? - Yeah, great, thank you, yeah. 703 00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:49,137 Great time. Would you like a glass of that? 704 00:34:49,241 --> 00:34:51,172 - Well, sure, I'll have a little one. Why not? 705 00:34:51,275 --> 00:34:54,172 - Yeah. So, it was good, was it? - Mmm. 706 00:34:54,275 --> 00:34:56,758 - Good? Very good? Spectacular? Awful? 707 00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:57,931 Professional job? 708 00:34:58,034 --> 00:34:59,793 - No, no, it wasn't a professional job. 709 00:34:59,896 --> 00:35:04,482 It was a good time. It was...enjoyable. 710 00:35:04,586 --> 00:35:06,103 - Mmm. 711 00:35:09,068 --> 00:35:12,413 [solemn music] 712 00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:18,206 - Louis: Several months into filming, 713 00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:21,758 and I was still conflicted about the nature of the transaction 714 00:35:21,862 --> 00:35:23,862 at the heart of the sexual economy. 715 00:35:25,137 --> 00:35:29,034 Whether it was a choice freely made like any other 716 00:35:29,137 --> 00:35:31,724 or a symptom of a society in which vulnerable women 717 00:35:31,827 --> 00:35:33,758 were traded and controlled. 718 00:35:33,862 --> 00:35:35,103 [camera clicks] 719 00:35:35,206 --> 00:35:37,620 - [sighs] - That's better. I'm smiling. 720 00:35:39,379 --> 00:35:41,517 - Louis: In Nottingham, Victoria had invited me 721 00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:43,344 to a porn shoot she'd organised, 722 00:35:43,448 --> 00:35:46,275 creating online content to sell to fans and clients. 723 00:35:48,034 --> 00:35:49,896 - Victoria: OK? - Man: Better. 724 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,103 - Louis: I can tell you're doing a terrific job. 725 00:35:52,206 --> 00:35:53,275 - Man: Thank you, Louis. 726 00:35:53,379 --> 00:35:55,000 Now I'm gonna go for a medium, then a close. 727 00:35:55,103 --> 00:35:57,206 - Louis: She'd told me of a plan to do more porn 728 00:35:57,310 --> 00:36:00,172 and move away from private bookings. 729 00:36:00,275 --> 00:36:02,379 - Man: Did you get that? - [laughter] 730 00:36:02,482 --> 00:36:06,206 - You prefer the porn over the escorting, don't you? 731 00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:09,172 - Yeah. I don't have to be so close and personal to people. 732 00:36:10,379 --> 00:36:12,620 - Yeah. - Yeah. 733 00:36:12,724 --> 00:36:16,379 - Give less of yourself? - Yeah. Yeah, definitely. 734 00:36:16,482 --> 00:36:19,172 - And I'm just wondering whether, just in general, 735 00:36:19,275 --> 00:36:21,689 as a sensual experience, 736 00:36:21,793 --> 00:36:24,206 leaving the professionalism to one side, 737 00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:26,000 whether it's pleasurable? 738 00:36:26,103 --> 00:36:28,103 - Um... Yeah, it can be. 739 00:36:29,413 --> 00:36:30,724 - Just not today. 740 00:36:30,827 --> 00:36:32,931 - It can... No. [sighs] - [laughs] 741 00:36:33,034 --> 00:36:35,034 - It's so hard for me to answer this question, 742 00:36:35,137 --> 00:36:37,586 because it's... 743 00:36:39,724 --> 00:36:42,206 Oh, it's sex. I do it all day every day. 744 00:36:43,344 --> 00:36:46,344 [solemn music] 745 00:36:48,862 --> 00:36:52,689 - Loitering on set, I reflected on the paradox of leveraging 746 00:36:52,793 --> 00:36:56,482 the after-effects of trauma into financial opportunity. 747 00:36:57,896 --> 00:37:00,448 And whether it represented a kind of power, 748 00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:02,275 or its opposite. 749 00:37:05,724 --> 00:37:09,344 [solemn music] 750 00:37:16,827 --> 00:37:19,620 The same new websites that have induced some women 751 00:37:19,724 --> 00:37:21,344 to enter the sexual marketplace 752 00:37:21,448 --> 00:37:24,137 are also bringing that world to clients who, 753 00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:27,000 in the past, might never have thought of doing it. 754 00:37:28,724 --> 00:37:31,689 In Croydon, South London, I was meeting Hugh. 755 00:37:31,793 --> 00:37:32,758 Hello! 756 00:37:32,862 --> 00:37:33,965 - Hi! - How are you? 757 00:37:34,068 --> 00:37:35,793 - Great, thank you. - Louis. Nice to meet you. 758 00:37:35,896 --> 00:37:37,758 At age 16, Hugh had been diagnosed 759 00:37:37,862 --> 00:37:39,689 with muscular dystrophy. 760 00:37:39,793 --> 00:37:41,827 He lost his virginity at 30. 761 00:37:41,931 --> 00:37:45,206 But after that, his sexual experiences had dwindled away. 762 00:37:45,310 --> 00:37:47,931 - Can I make you one? - By all means, yes. 763 00:37:50,965 --> 00:37:52,620 - You don't have kids, is that right? 764 00:37:52,724 --> 00:37:54,137 - No. - Never been married? 765 00:37:54,241 --> 00:37:56,517 - Never been married, no. - Not interested? 766 00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:58,896 - I know people say, "He'd never met the right person," 767 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,551 but, yeah, I just never met someone who would have me. 768 00:38:02,655 --> 00:38:07,655 [laughs] I mean, in the perfect world, I've always wanted a... 769 00:38:09,448 --> 00:38:11,241 It seems unfair, but I've always wanted 770 00:38:11,344 --> 00:38:13,000 an able-bodied girlfriend, 771 00:38:13,103 --> 00:38:16,586 or not so disabled that she couldn't, well, 772 00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:18,344 get on top, essentially. [laughs] 773 00:38:18,448 --> 00:38:21,137 [solemn music] 774 00:38:22,517 --> 00:38:24,034 - OK. Yeah. 775 00:38:24,137 --> 00:38:27,448 - Louis: Hugh had an appointment that evening. 776 00:38:27,551 --> 00:38:29,965 A carer arrived to get him ready. 777 00:38:32,482 --> 00:38:34,758 One year earlier, Hugh had set up an account 778 00:38:34,862 --> 00:38:36,896 on the main sex industry website. 779 00:38:40,517 --> 00:38:42,413 - How's it going in there? 780 00:38:42,517 --> 00:38:44,379 - Well, thank you. Yeah. 781 00:38:44,482 --> 00:38:46,586 - You like to look your best for your date? 782 00:38:46,689 --> 00:38:51,655 - Yeah. [laughs] Yes, my...my appointment. 783 00:38:51,758 --> 00:38:55,620 - How many women have you seen since you started? 784 00:38:55,724 --> 00:39:01,896 - Nine. The eldest, 51, youngest was about 21. 785 00:39:06,068 --> 00:39:08,482 - Was there a moment or something that prompted you 786 00:39:08,586 --> 00:39:10,241 to take that step? 787 00:39:10,344 --> 00:39:15,034 - I think it was the realisation I was getting to a certain age, 788 00:39:15,137 --> 00:39:19,448 and if I didn't do drastic action I'd go to my grave... 789 00:39:19,551 --> 00:39:22,413 [laughs] ..never having sex again. 790 00:39:22,517 --> 00:39:23,793 - Mmm. 791 00:39:23,896 --> 00:39:28,689 Can you characterise for me how much it's meant to you? 792 00:39:28,793 --> 00:39:31,620 - I mean, it's pleasurable. It's expensive. 793 00:39:31,724 --> 00:39:33,931 It doesn't ruin my life. 794 00:39:34,034 --> 00:39:35,758 I'd rather have a girlfriend... 795 00:39:37,655 --> 00:39:41,620 but it just hasn't worked out for me for whatever reason, 796 00:39:41,724 --> 00:39:45,689 be that my disability, be that my winning personality, 797 00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:48,137 I don't know. [laughs] 798 00:39:50,482 --> 00:39:52,448 I think a lot of women... 799 00:39:54,103 --> 00:39:57,344 understandably see me 800 00:39:57,448 --> 00:40:01,482 and put me in the "too complicated" category. 801 00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:06,448 - Hugh was seeing someone he'd booked twice before, 802 00:40:06,551 --> 00:40:10,310 a woman selling sex to supplement her income. 803 00:40:10,413 --> 00:40:13,241 Would you say you've got to know each other a little bit? 804 00:40:13,344 --> 00:40:16,172 - I enjoy her company very much. 805 00:40:16,275 --> 00:40:18,275 - But you have to be realistic, don't you... 806 00:40:18,379 --> 00:40:19,344 - Yeah. Exactly 807 00:40:19,448 --> 00:40:21,551 - About what's actually taking place? 808 00:40:21,655 --> 00:40:23,310 - Exactly. - Which is what? 809 00:40:25,172 --> 00:40:26,310 - Which is what? 810 00:40:26,413 --> 00:40:32,068 We're enjoying each other's company in exchange for money. 811 00:40:33,241 --> 00:40:37,413 I think I would be less happy 812 00:40:37,517 --> 00:40:40,379 if I hadn't explored this avenue. 813 00:40:42,344 --> 00:40:47,620 That, probably, well, I feel better for it, yes. 814 00:40:47,724 --> 00:40:49,344 - Mmm. 815 00:40:49,448 --> 00:40:52,448 - There's a little bit of guilt. [laughs softly] 816 00:40:52,551 --> 00:40:57,517 I suppose paying for it was an admission of failure on my part. 817 00:40:57,620 --> 00:41:01,206 [solemn music] 818 00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:04,137 - I wasn't sure how to judge Hugh's choice. 819 00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:07,172 I was conscious of how much I didn't know 820 00:41:07,275 --> 00:41:10,103 about the young woman's story. 821 00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:13,931 At the same time, his desire for a life made a little more full 822 00:41:14,034 --> 00:41:15,896 by the ability to buy sex 823 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,931 seemed completely understandable. 824 00:41:19,034 --> 00:41:21,344 [solemn music] 825 00:41:28,103 --> 00:41:30,379 In my time among women selling sex, 826 00:41:30,482 --> 00:41:31,758 the only one for whom the work 827 00:41:31,862 --> 00:41:35,344 was not mainly motivated by money was Caroline. 828 00:41:36,965 --> 00:41:39,413 Caroline had also been the only one to say clearly 829 00:41:39,517 --> 00:41:41,517 she enjoyed sex with clients. 830 00:41:42,482 --> 00:41:44,413 Hello! 831 00:41:44,517 --> 00:41:46,379 Gonna find my friends downstairs. 832 00:41:48,344 --> 00:41:50,827 - Nice to see you. - Hi! Mmm! You, too. 833 00:41:50,931 --> 00:41:53,689 - But even with all the time we'd spent together, 834 00:41:53,793 --> 00:41:56,103 there were aspects of her relationship with Graham 835 00:41:56,206 --> 00:41:58,034 I didn't really understand. 836 00:41:58,137 --> 00:42:01,172 Hoping to find out more, I was meeting them again. 837 00:42:01,275 --> 00:42:03,965 - Something I wanted to show you. [laughs] 838 00:42:04,068 --> 00:42:05,310 - Go on. 839 00:42:06,517 --> 00:42:08,793 - 'Hot Wives'. - Yeah, you've got two there. 840 00:42:08,896 --> 00:42:11,724 - And who have we got here? She looks familiar. 841 00:42:11,827 --> 00:42:13,586 - [laughs] - That's you. 842 00:42:13,689 --> 00:42:15,103 - Yeah. They put me on the cover. 843 00:42:15,206 --> 00:42:16,482 - That's nice, isn't it? 844 00:42:16,586 --> 00:42:18,827 - [laughs] Yeah. So I'm quite proud of that. 845 00:42:20,965 --> 00:42:24,206 I thought that I could wear one of these. 846 00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:25,827 I like that idea. 847 00:42:25,931 --> 00:42:27,758 Or there's this one, as well, look, 848 00:42:27,862 --> 00:42:29,793 and got a zip down the front. 849 00:42:32,689 --> 00:42:34,482 - Louis: How's it going between the two of you? 850 00:42:34,586 --> 00:42:36,517 - Up and down. 851 00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:38,206 - Are you in a good place? 852 00:42:40,137 --> 00:42:43,551 - Yes and no. It depends what time of the day you catch me. 853 00:42:43,655 --> 00:42:46,758 - But, I mean, how much of any of this is to do with 854 00:42:46,862 --> 00:42:50,000 either insecurity or mixed feelings 855 00:42:50,103 --> 00:42:54,310 or jealousy around Caroline's work? 856 00:42:54,413 --> 00:42:58,655 - Do you know, generally, I don't think it's that. 857 00:42:58,758 --> 00:43:04,206 The best way I can say it, for me, is that... 858 00:43:06,034 --> 00:43:07,862 To be continued. 859 00:43:10,241 --> 00:43:11,827 - Louis: Uh-oh! - [Graham laughs] 860 00:43:11,931 --> 00:43:13,241 - Police! 861 00:43:13,344 --> 00:43:15,724 - Now, we always need to do the feel test. 862 00:43:15,827 --> 00:43:17,448 - It's an important part. - Yeah. 863 00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:19,172 - So... - What do you think? 864 00:43:19,275 --> 00:43:20,793 - Do you like the feel? - Oh, I like that. 865 00:43:20,896 --> 00:43:23,344 - It's nice and smooth. - I'll have a walk around. 866 00:43:25,068 --> 00:43:26,862 - You look...gorgeous! 867 00:43:28,310 --> 00:43:30,034 - Yeah, I like it. - Great. OK. 868 00:43:30,137 --> 00:43:31,206 - We'll get this. 869 00:43:35,344 --> 00:43:37,241 - I think I've probably spent half my life 870 00:43:37,344 --> 00:43:38,758 standing outside changing rooms. 871 00:43:38,862 --> 00:43:41,482 - What were you gonna say, before we were interrupted? 872 00:43:41,586 --> 00:43:44,586 - I want more attention from her. 873 00:43:44,689 --> 00:43:47,655 I would just like to spend more intimate 874 00:43:47,758 --> 00:43:49,862 communication time with Caroline. 875 00:43:49,965 --> 00:43:51,620 And that's something I didn't think through. 876 00:43:51,724 --> 00:43:53,482 It started to develop inside me. 877 00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:58,172 [solemn music] 878 00:44:04,275 --> 00:44:05,931 - Louis: At a nearby coffee shop, 879 00:44:06,034 --> 00:44:07,413 the conversation moved on 880 00:44:07,517 --> 00:44:09,896 to the subject of Caroline's childhood. 881 00:44:11,206 --> 00:44:15,724 - My upbringing was quite Victorian, 882 00:44:15,827 --> 00:44:17,793 but also mixed with religion, 883 00:44:17,896 --> 00:44:21,379 as I was brought up to believe that sex was dirty, 884 00:44:21,482 --> 00:44:23,172 it was wrong. 885 00:44:23,275 --> 00:44:28,034 I went into our marriage with, I think, the same attitude. 886 00:44:28,137 --> 00:44:31,034 - And you feel that having led this life, 887 00:44:31,137 --> 00:44:33,275 or certainly had this upbringing, 888 00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:35,448 where men were dictating what you should do... 889 00:44:35,551 --> 00:44:36,517 - Yeah. 890 00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:38,448 - ..you feel that now, this is very different? 891 00:44:38,551 --> 00:44:39,482 - Yeah. 892 00:44:39,586 --> 00:44:42,482 - You are calling the shots, deciding what you want to do. 893 00:44:42,586 --> 00:44:44,448 - Graham: Absolutely. - Yes. Yeah. 894 00:44:44,551 --> 00:44:50,758 It's been a process over the last few years particularly, 895 00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:54,896 that I've really been discovering who I am 896 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,586 and what I want and need. 897 00:44:57,689 --> 00:45:00,344 And the experience I've had with other men 898 00:45:00,448 --> 00:45:05,103 helps me have a better sex life with Graham. 899 00:45:05,206 --> 00:45:09,241 - You're quite happy with your sex life with Caroline? 900 00:45:09,344 --> 00:45:12,758 - She's everything I think, I want and dream of. 901 00:45:14,068 --> 00:45:17,931 Which is not something I would have said a few years ago. 902 00:45:18,034 --> 00:45:19,620 - Mmm. 903 00:45:19,724 --> 00:45:21,620 - Forgive me for pushing a certain idea, 904 00:45:21,724 --> 00:45:23,241 and I just want to get it out there, 905 00:45:23,344 --> 00:45:25,655 but do you think there's a sense in which, you know, 906 00:45:25,758 --> 00:45:29,241 this was a sort of fantasy that you had? 907 00:45:29,344 --> 00:45:33,551 - I'm surprised as anybody could be 908 00:45:33,655 --> 00:45:36,862 as to where we've landed up and where Caroline's landed up. 909 00:45:36,965 --> 00:45:42,655 - Being an escort was entirely my choice, and Graham never, 910 00:45:42,758 --> 00:45:46,896 at any point, told me I needed to be, or anything like that. 911 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,344 - I'm proud of her and I think it's amazing, 912 00:45:49,448 --> 00:45:50,965 and I constantly want to be sure 913 00:45:51,068 --> 00:45:53,310 that she's doing what she wants to do, though. 914 00:45:53,413 --> 00:45:54,517 - Mmm. 915 00:45:56,103 --> 00:45:58,517 - I worry far more about that than maybe you know. 916 00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:00,689 - Yeah. - Do you really want to do this? 917 00:46:00,793 --> 00:46:03,241 - Yeah. Well, some days I don't. 918 00:46:03,344 --> 00:46:05,068 Some days I wake up and I think, 919 00:46:05,172 --> 00:46:08,448 "Oh, I don't really feel like doing that today." 920 00:46:08,551 --> 00:46:10,068 - [Graham laughs] 921 00:46:10,172 --> 00:46:13,448 - But then, at the same time, I think, 922 00:46:13,551 --> 00:46:15,586 "Well, you know, 923 00:46:15,689 --> 00:46:20,827 "I want to be committed to doing a good job... 924 00:46:21,931 --> 00:46:25,413 "and I don't have anything else to do, 925 00:46:25,517 --> 00:46:27,310 "so, you know, I'll do it." 926 00:46:27,413 --> 00:46:28,793 [both laugh] 927 00:46:28,896 --> 00:46:31,724 But then, in the process of that, I'll enjoy it, 928 00:46:31,827 --> 00:46:34,344 so then I'll get into it. 929 00:46:34,448 --> 00:46:36,862 [solemn music] 930 00:46:39,172 --> 00:46:40,896 - Louis: It was incongruous, 931 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,689 but Caroline seemed to have gained a sense of self 932 00:46:43,793 --> 00:46:46,827 from embracing a role as a sexual commodity. 933 00:46:48,724 --> 00:46:52,241 Controlled in her childhood, and now finding satisfaction 934 00:46:52,344 --> 00:46:56,655 fulfilling the desires of men on terms that were more her own. 935 00:47:01,896 --> 00:47:05,586 Graham, for his part, seemed happy to endure some insecurity 936 00:47:05,689 --> 00:47:08,931 as the price of a more sexually adventurous marriage. 937 00:47:12,137 --> 00:47:14,206 [solemn music] 938 00:47:16,241 --> 00:47:20,379 In a way, Caroline's age and maturity were reassuring. 939 00:47:20,482 --> 00:47:22,137 It was with those who were younger 940 00:47:22,241 --> 00:47:25,275 that I found myself tempted to take a more protective attitude. 941 00:47:26,862 --> 00:47:29,137 At a pub near her flat in South West London, 942 00:47:29,241 --> 00:47:30,551 I was meeting Ashleigh. 943 00:47:30,655 --> 00:47:33,344 - Louis! Louis! - Hello! 944 00:47:33,448 --> 00:47:35,413 - Hello! How are you? - Good. How are you? 945 00:47:35,517 --> 00:47:37,413 - I'm OK. Sorry, I'm a bit sweaty, 'cause I'm, like... 946 00:47:37,517 --> 00:47:38,931 - You've changed your hair again! 947 00:47:39,034 --> 00:47:41,034 - I know! But I look great. - Wow! Nice to see you. 948 00:47:41,137 --> 00:47:42,724 - Nice to see you. How are you? - Good. 949 00:47:42,827 --> 00:47:44,068 - Good! - Let's go inside. 950 00:47:44,172 --> 00:47:45,931 - Did you have a haircut? - Yes, I'm afraid so. 951 00:47:46,034 --> 00:47:47,275 - Looks great. 952 00:47:51,172 --> 00:47:52,862 - You know I asked you to bring some photos? 953 00:47:52,965 --> 00:47:54,103 - Yeah, I brought my baby photos. 954 00:47:54,206 --> 00:47:55,620 - Did you bring them? 955 00:47:57,413 --> 00:47:58,413 Oh, so cute! 956 00:47:58,517 --> 00:48:01,103 - I know! I'm so cute. [laughs] 957 00:48:01,206 --> 00:48:03,172 - Your parents were very young when they had you. 958 00:48:03,275 --> 00:48:05,379 - Yeah. So, I think my mum got pregnant at 15. 959 00:48:05,482 --> 00:48:06,413 - Really? 960 00:48:06,517 --> 00:48:08,586 But, I mean, it wasn't like your dad was much older, though? 961 00:48:08,689 --> 00:48:10,758 - No, I think my dad was 16. 962 00:48:10,862 --> 00:48:12,931 - So that's your dad? - That's my dad. Uh-huh. 963 00:48:13,034 --> 00:48:15,068 - He looks like a child himself. Yeah. 964 00:48:15,172 --> 00:48:17,413 - 1995, my dude. - Was it '95? 965 00:48:17,517 --> 00:48:19,379 - That's when I was born. But they were children. 966 00:48:19,482 --> 00:48:21,275 - But they didn't stay together that long, is that right? 967 00:48:21,379 --> 00:48:23,137 - Yeah. They stayed together till I was about 3 or 4, 968 00:48:23,241 --> 00:48:24,827 - I think? - So, three or four years. 969 00:48:24,931 --> 00:48:27,896 - Yeah. I don't ever remember them being together. 970 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,896 He wasn't the kindest man when I was growing up, 971 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,172 or the most supportive, 972 00:48:34,275 --> 00:48:36,896 and I've tried so hard to form a relationship with my dad, 973 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,482 like, so hard, for so many years, 974 00:48:39,586 --> 00:48:42,344 and I'm not doing it anymore. I've given up, 975 00:48:42,448 --> 00:48:44,620 'cause it's heartbreaking... [laughs] 976 00:48:44,724 --> 00:48:46,379 ..to try, do you know what I mean? 977 00:48:46,482 --> 00:48:50,172 - It's almost a cliché of women involved in sex work 978 00:48:50,275 --> 00:48:55,034 that they have complicated or strained relationships. 979 00:48:55,137 --> 00:48:57,586 - With their father. I don't know if it is completely. 980 00:48:57,689 --> 00:48:59,448 I can only speak for myself. 981 00:48:59,551 --> 00:49:03,068 I'm so desperate for people to, like, not even like me, just, 982 00:49:03,172 --> 00:49:05,344 like, acknowledge my existence, 983 00:49:05,448 --> 00:49:08,931 and I think that I only see my existence as a sum of my, 984 00:49:09,034 --> 00:49:12,517 like...the pleasure that I can give other people. 985 00:49:12,620 --> 00:49:14,793 No-one wants to be around me just for who I am. 986 00:49:14,896 --> 00:49:17,344 People want to be around me for what I can give to them, 987 00:49:17,448 --> 00:49:20,172 and, like, for most men, what I can give to them is sex. 988 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,689 Between the ages of 6 to 12, 989 00:49:23,793 --> 00:49:25,896 I was sexually abused by someone that was really close to me, 990 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,103 so I think that I'm just very hypersexualised 991 00:49:29,206 --> 00:49:30,344 because of that, 992 00:49:30,448 --> 00:49:32,827 and I just value a lot of my, like... 993 00:49:32,931 --> 00:49:34,655 That was the time that I felt wanted, 994 00:49:34,758 --> 00:49:37,206 because they didn't care about me otherwise. 995 00:49:37,310 --> 00:49:39,482 [laughs] 996 00:49:39,586 --> 00:49:41,724 Oh, it was really rough. 997 00:49:41,827 --> 00:49:43,758 It was really, really, really rough. 998 00:49:43,862 --> 00:49:45,517 And then when he stopped, 999 00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:48,034 I basically just assumed that he hated me. 1000 00:49:48,137 --> 00:49:50,586 Does that make sense? So then, when he stopped, 1001 00:49:50,689 --> 00:49:54,379 it just made everything worse, basically. 1002 00:49:54,482 --> 00:49:55,655 Sorry. 1003 00:49:56,758 --> 00:49:59,034 But I'm over it, I think. 1004 00:50:01,379 --> 00:50:04,000 I say that as I cry. I'm over it, it's fine. 1005 00:50:04,103 --> 00:50:05,931 Like, it happens. Shit happens. 1006 00:50:06,034 --> 00:50:07,724 You just have to try and turn that into something 1007 00:50:07,827 --> 00:50:10,758 that you can make yourself a better person with, 1008 00:50:10,862 --> 00:50:12,896 so I'm using that experience to not let myself 1009 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,172 be in situations where I'm gonna feel vulnerable 1010 00:50:15,275 --> 00:50:19,482 and feel like my self-worth is down to my sexual actions. 1011 00:50:19,586 --> 00:50:21,000 Does that make sense? 1012 00:50:22,482 --> 00:50:24,344 - Are you alright? - Yeah, I'm honestly fine. 1013 00:50:24,448 --> 00:50:26,379 - OK. - I'm just a big crier, sorry. 1014 00:50:26,482 --> 00:50:28,137 [laughs] 1015 00:50:28,241 --> 00:50:31,000 - What occurs to me is that you've got a lot going on... 1016 00:50:31,103 --> 00:50:33,206 - Mmm. - ..inside your head. 1017 00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:35,344 I've heard you say more than once 1018 00:50:35,448 --> 00:50:40,551 that you don't appreciate a sort of saviour mentality. 1019 00:50:40,655 --> 00:50:41,724 - No. 1020 00:50:41,827 --> 00:50:43,379 - And I think I respect you too much... 1021 00:50:43,482 --> 00:50:44,448 - [laughs] 1022 00:50:44,551 --> 00:50:46,689 - ..to presume to judge your choices, right? 1023 00:50:46,793 --> 00:50:47,724 - Yeah. 1024 00:50:47,827 --> 00:50:49,275 - But at the same time, I'm also aware 1025 00:50:49,379 --> 00:50:51,137 that with everything going on, 1026 00:50:51,241 --> 00:50:53,413 it's actually screaming out, isn't it, the fact... 1027 00:50:53,517 --> 00:50:54,586 - Yeah. Look, that's true. 1028 00:50:54,689 --> 00:50:56,344 - ..that you've embraced a kind of work 1029 00:50:56,448 --> 00:51:01,379 that involves a lot of emotional and physical self-exposure. 1030 00:51:01,482 --> 00:51:02,689 - Yeah. 100%. - Right? 1031 00:51:02,793 --> 00:51:04,241 And you must have thought about that a lot? 1032 00:51:04,344 --> 00:51:05,241 - Definitely. 1033 00:51:05,344 --> 00:51:06,896 And I think that because I was just so used to it, 1034 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,620 I don't see it as a big deal, because I... 1035 00:51:08,724 --> 00:51:10,517 - Right. Which doesn't necessarily mean 1036 00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:12,724 - it isn't a big deal. - Yeah, exactly. 1037 00:51:12,827 --> 00:51:15,655 - Is there part of you that's wondering whether... 1038 00:51:18,103 --> 00:51:19,482 it's the right kind of work? 1039 00:51:19,586 --> 00:51:21,448 - No, I'm fine with the work. 1040 00:51:21,551 --> 00:51:23,758 I think it gives you, like, a numbness. 1041 00:51:23,862 --> 00:51:25,448 - But I think... A sort of "numbness." 1042 00:51:25,551 --> 00:51:27,689 OK, that's a good way of putting it. 1043 00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:29,931 - It's just, like, I always say this to my mum, like, 1044 00:51:30,034 --> 00:51:31,862 "I don't like sex, I like affection," 1045 00:51:31,965 --> 00:51:33,758 and you get affection from sex, 1046 00:51:33,862 --> 00:51:36,620 and I seem to think that that's the only way I'm gonna get it, 1047 00:51:36,724 --> 00:51:38,517 so I'm, like, trapped in this. 1048 00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:40,275 But I don't think that I'm gonna get affection 1049 00:51:40,379 --> 00:51:41,965 from these men on Adult Work. 1050 00:51:42,068 --> 00:51:44,931 I know for a fact that it's, like, not sustainable, 1051 00:51:45,034 --> 00:51:48,103 and I know that that's not gonna cure me. 1052 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,413 I'm cute, aren't I? I'm so fat. 1053 00:51:52,517 --> 00:51:54,586 Look at my cheeks. [laughs] 1054 00:51:54,689 --> 00:51:56,862 [solemn music] 1055 00:51:59,517 --> 00:52:02,586 It seemed clear Ashleigh was drawn to selling sex 1056 00:52:02,689 --> 00:52:05,172 at least in part because of a background of abuse 1057 00:52:05,275 --> 00:52:06,724 and ill treatment. 1058 00:52:08,068 --> 00:52:10,689 How her new life would contribute to her recovery 1059 00:52:10,793 --> 00:52:13,206 I found almost impossible to know. 1060 00:52:20,034 --> 00:52:22,517 More than ever, I was struck by the difficult position 1061 00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:24,482 of many of those selling sex, 1062 00:52:24,586 --> 00:52:27,827 taking part in an economy viewed by some as immoral 1063 00:52:27,931 --> 00:52:30,413 and others as coerced and unhealthy... 1064 00:52:31,206 --> 00:52:33,896 feeling judged on both sides. 1065 00:52:36,310 --> 00:52:38,793 But I was also troubled by the question of whether 1066 00:52:38,896 --> 00:52:41,000 they were being completely open with me 1067 00:52:41,103 --> 00:52:42,724 about the cost of what they did. 1068 00:52:47,551 --> 00:52:49,758 Back in Nottingham for one last visit, 1069 00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:53,379 I was with Victoria and Sapphire on an outing to the nail salon. 1070 00:52:56,827 --> 00:52:58,413 - Victoria: Mmm, what shall I have? 1071 00:52:58,517 --> 00:53:00,310 - Have a blue sorta thing. - I don't like blue. 1072 00:53:00,413 --> 00:53:02,206 - I like blue. It looks nice on you. 1073 00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:05,310 Oh, not silver, 'cause you always get silver. 1074 00:53:05,413 --> 00:53:07,758 - Right. - I'll have to get pink. 1075 00:53:08,862 --> 00:53:13,689 - I love pink-silver on my glitter. [laughs] 1076 00:53:14,965 --> 00:53:17,413 - But I think the two of you are quite close, aren't you? 1077 00:53:17,517 --> 00:53:19,758 - Yeah. - Yeah, we're very close. 1078 00:53:19,862 --> 00:53:21,000 - Yeah. 1079 00:53:22,344 --> 00:53:24,724 But she's still at that age now where... 1080 00:53:26,344 --> 00:53:27,862 she's got her own little life, 1081 00:53:27,965 --> 00:53:30,103 and she wants to go out with her friends, as well. 1082 00:53:30,206 --> 00:53:33,344 - Mmm. Do you think, having had the experiences you had 1083 00:53:33,448 --> 00:53:36,896 growing up, that that's made you more careful as a mum? 1084 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,517 - Oh, God, yeah. Definitely. 1085 00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:42,551 [laughs] Sapphire will tell you, I've put trackers on her phone 1086 00:53:42,655 --> 00:53:43,931 and everything, haven't I? 1087 00:53:44,034 --> 00:53:45,862 - You're very protective. 1088 00:53:45,965 --> 00:53:47,344 But that's a good thing. 1089 00:53:47,448 --> 00:53:49,103 I know I've complained about it a lot, 1090 00:53:49,206 --> 00:53:51,034 but it is a good thing really, isn't it? 1091 00:53:51,137 --> 00:53:52,551 - It is, yeah. 1092 00:53:52,655 --> 00:53:54,862 - In an alternate reality, 1093 00:53:54,965 --> 00:53:57,000 if Sapphire was sort of a different person 1094 00:53:57,103 --> 00:54:01,482 and wanted to pursue work like you do, adult work, 1095 00:54:01,586 --> 00:54:03,344 what would be your view? 1096 00:54:03,448 --> 00:54:05,620 - No, I wouldn't want that at all, you know? 1097 00:54:05,724 --> 00:54:07,275 No, of course I wouldn't. 1098 00:54:07,379 --> 00:54:09,344 It's just the judgement around it, 1099 00:54:09,448 --> 00:54:12,275 especially when everybody else is questioning you and saying, 1100 00:54:12,379 --> 00:54:15,655 you know, stuff about you, you... 1101 00:54:15,758 --> 00:54:17,586 then you're battling with yourself, thinking, 1102 00:54:17,689 --> 00:54:19,862 "Am I doing the right thing? Am I not?" You know? 1103 00:54:21,034 --> 00:54:22,827 I think that's why girls don't last long 1104 00:54:22,931 --> 00:54:25,000 in this industry, as well. 1105 00:54:25,103 --> 00:54:27,379 I guess it's a whole stigma. 1106 00:54:29,793 --> 00:54:33,206 - [laughs] Bye-bye! [laughs] See ya! 1107 00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:34,448 - Bye! 1108 00:54:35,896 --> 00:54:37,137 Oh! 1109 00:54:41,068 --> 00:54:44,586 - Louis: Driving back, I thought about Victoria's choices. 1110 00:54:44,689 --> 00:54:47,551 For all the difficulty they'd created in her life, 1111 00:54:47,655 --> 00:54:50,344 it was also true that they'd allowed her to give her children 1112 00:54:50,448 --> 00:54:53,241 an upbringing very different from the one she'd had. 1113 00:54:59,724 --> 00:55:03,862 - Hello! - Oh, thank you! See ya! 1114 00:55:06,793 --> 00:55:09,034 Look what we got! 1115 00:55:09,137 --> 00:55:12,586 Wait! Don't all grab. Don't be rude. 1116 00:55:12,689 --> 00:55:14,586 I'm gonna put 'em on a plate for you. 1117 00:55:14,689 --> 00:55:15,896 - [kid laughs] 1118 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,620 - Louis: They bring you a dipping sauce, as well. 1119 00:55:17,724 --> 00:55:19,310 That's quite handy, isn't it? 1120 00:55:20,724 --> 00:55:22,724 - Come on, let's go get you in bed. Shoes off. 1121 00:55:23,793 --> 00:55:25,758 Come on then, do your teeth. 1122 00:55:27,482 --> 00:55:29,344 Do you want a book? 1123 00:55:29,448 --> 00:55:34,068 "Paw Patrol pups love spending time playing outdoors." 1124 00:55:34,724 --> 00:55:36,482 - Louis: Goodnight! 1125 00:55:39,896 --> 00:55:42,758 With the kids in bed, it was a chance to speak more candidly. 1126 00:55:44,586 --> 00:55:46,896 - You'd talked about getting out of escorting... 1127 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,931 - Yeah. 1128 00:55:48,034 --> 00:55:51,344 - ..and just doing adult film and appearances, 1129 00:55:51,448 --> 00:55:52,724 - things like that. - Yeah. 1130 00:55:52,827 --> 00:55:54,689 - Are you winding it down? 1131 00:55:56,620 --> 00:56:00,034 - I'm being a lot more picky, yeah. Definitely. 1132 00:56:00,137 --> 00:56:03,655 Even, to be honest, on certain shoots and stuff like that, 1133 00:56:03,758 --> 00:56:06,068 I've just said, "No, I'm not doing that anymore. 1134 00:56:06,172 --> 00:56:07,275 "I don't need to do that." 1135 00:56:07,379 --> 00:56:10,448 I'm spreading myself too thinly. I'm just wearing myself out. 1136 00:56:10,551 --> 00:56:12,724 - And doing this sorta work doesn't make you... 1137 00:56:13,862 --> 00:56:16,275 feel anything against men? 1138 00:56:16,379 --> 00:56:18,206 Men are just... 1139 00:56:19,586 --> 00:56:21,172 [laughs] Well... 1140 00:56:21,275 --> 00:56:24,689 I always refer to 'em as very simple creatures, pretty much. 1141 00:56:24,793 --> 00:56:26,551 They're not complex like us. 1142 00:56:26,655 --> 00:56:28,827 They're not. You know, they're very simple. 1143 00:56:30,310 --> 00:56:34,068 The majority of men are not nice. [laughs] 1144 00:56:34,172 --> 00:56:37,965 There's a big percentage that, you know, 1145 00:56:38,068 --> 00:56:40,275 I don't agree with, I don't think are nice, 1146 00:56:40,379 --> 00:56:41,862 I don't think respectable. 1147 00:56:41,965 --> 00:56:43,310 - And what are you basing that on? 1148 00:56:43,413 --> 00:56:45,655 The fact that the way men have treated you 1149 00:56:45,758 --> 00:56:48,689 in your personal life, or the way your clients are? 1150 00:56:48,793 --> 00:56:50,931 - Or both? - Both. 1151 00:56:51,034 --> 00:56:56,862 I think it takes a lot for me to be able to, I don't know... 1152 00:56:56,965 --> 00:56:59,724 trust a man or whatever. 1153 00:56:59,827 --> 00:57:02,896 - When we were talking before, there was this question of, 1154 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,275 can it be healthy sort of psychologically, I suppose. 1155 00:57:06,379 --> 00:57:09,275 What I hear from you is that, actually, 1156 00:57:09,379 --> 00:57:14,137 doing sex work is emotionally complicated. 1157 00:57:14,241 --> 00:57:16,758 - Yeah. [sighs] 1158 00:57:16,862 --> 00:57:20,793 I mean, ideally, I'd love a normal relationship, you know? 1159 00:57:20,896 --> 00:57:23,655 But, I mean, the situation I'm in at the minute... 1160 00:57:25,068 --> 00:57:27,896 [sighs] 1161 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,413 ..is just a relationship with me and the children, 1162 00:57:30,517 --> 00:57:32,068 do you know what I mean? 1163 00:57:33,862 --> 00:57:38,206 But, obviously, I don't wanna be like this forever. 1164 00:57:38,310 --> 00:57:40,034 [sighs] 1165 00:57:40,862 --> 00:57:42,241 [footsteps] 1166 00:57:43,379 --> 00:57:45,931 One of the kids is up. [laughs] 1167 00:57:46,034 --> 00:57:48,000 Let me go and ask him to settle down. 1168 00:57:48,103 --> 00:57:51,068 [solemn music] 1169 00:57:51,172 --> 00:57:53,172 - Louis: Whether because of prejudice 1170 00:57:53,275 --> 00:57:55,931 or the unique nature of physical intimacy, 1171 00:57:56,034 --> 00:57:58,206 we have for centuries tended to judge those 1172 00:57:58,310 --> 00:58:00,206 who trade sex for money. 1173 00:58:02,655 --> 00:58:05,793 My time among those working in the new sexual economy 1174 00:58:05,896 --> 00:58:09,551 had shown me women escaping lives of repression and abuse, 1175 00:58:09,655 --> 00:58:13,275 who believed they were using trauma to empower themselves. 1176 00:58:15,137 --> 00:58:17,689 With some, I'd worried about the possibility 1177 00:58:17,793 --> 00:58:20,172 of making vulnerabilities worse. 1178 00:58:21,551 --> 00:58:24,000 But it was also true that for at least one, 1179 00:58:24,103 --> 00:58:26,034 faced with few other options, 1180 00:58:26,137 --> 00:58:29,137 it had made a precarious position more manageable 1181 00:58:29,241 --> 00:58:31,379 for her and her family. 1182 00:58:31,482 --> 00:58:34,482 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tv