1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:10,811 --> 00:00:13,147 - HE WANTED TO GO UP IN THE WOODS. 4 00:00:13,181 --> 00:00:15,783 THAT'S WHEN I KNEW SOMETHING WAS STRANGE. 5 00:00:15,816 --> 00:00:18,052 HE STARTS CHOKING ME. 6 00:00:18,086 --> 00:00:20,754 - THIS IS BEING DESCRIBED AS ONE OF THE NASTIEST HOMICIDES... 7 00:00:20,788 --> 00:00:24,825 - IT IS THE LARGEST SERIAL MURDER CASE IN THE COUNTRY. 8 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:27,661 THE GREEN RIVER KILLER HAD STRUCK 49 TIMES. 9 00:00:30,264 --> 00:00:31,665 - IT WAS A HORRIBLE FEELING OF FEAR. 10 00:00:34,435 --> 00:00:37,238 - I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN KILLING THAN THE SEX. 11 00:00:37,271 --> 00:00:39,240 - SHE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER. 12 00:00:39,273 --> 00:00:41,075 - JUST A NORMAL, EVERYDAY AVERAGE GUY. 13 00:00:41,109 --> 00:00:43,111 - I KILLED 'EM BEFORE I GOT A CHANCE TO TORTURE 'EM. 14 00:00:44,345 --> 00:00:46,080 - NOTHING BUT A FAMILY MAN. 15 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:48,682 - ANGRY RESIDENTS ARE DEMANDING 16 00:00:48,716 --> 00:00:50,251 POLICE DO MORE TO STOP THE KILLINGS. 17 00:00:51,685 --> 00:00:54,288 - THE TASK FORCE WAS LAUNCHED AUGUST 16, 1982. 18 00:00:54,322 --> 00:00:56,124 - HE WAS ARRESTED IN 2001. 19 00:00:56,157 --> 00:01:00,661 - MY WORLD JUST DISAPPEARED. 20 00:01:00,694 --> 00:01:03,531 - IT WAS A SECRET. HOW WAS HE ABLE TO DO THAT? 21 00:01:05,699 --> 00:01:07,435 - YOU HAVE A PRE-PAID CALL FROM 22 00:01:07,468 --> 00:01:10,238 AN INMATE AT WASHINGTON STATE PENITENTIARY. 23 00:01:10,271 --> 00:01:12,673 - WHAT ALLOWED YOU TO MURDER THE YOUNG GIRLS? 24 00:01:14,708 --> 00:01:16,310 - "I KILLED SO MANY WOMEN, 25 00:01:16,344 --> 00:01:18,712 I HAVE A HARD TIME KEEPING THEM STRAIGHT." 26 00:01:18,746 --> 00:01:19,780 IS THAT TRUE? 27 00:01:19,813 --> 00:01:20,714 - YES. 28 00:01:20,748 --> 00:01:21,749 - GARY IS A MONSTER. 29 00:01:21,782 --> 00:01:22,716 - MONSTER. 30 00:01:22,750 --> 00:01:23,817 - IT'S DEVASTATING. 31 00:01:23,851 --> 00:01:26,154 - HOW DO YOU PLEAD? - GUILTY. 32 00:01:26,187 --> 00:01:27,421 - I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL. 33 00:01:27,455 --> 00:01:28,722 SON OF A BITCH. 34 00:01:37,631 --> 00:01:40,668 - MY NAME IS KRISTEN RIDGWAY. 35 00:01:43,237 --> 00:01:46,707 MY UNCLE IS GARY RIDGWAY, 36 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:49,677 THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 37 00:01:52,713 --> 00:01:56,917 IN 2003, MY UNCLE ADMITTED TO KILLING 48 WOMEN. 38 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:58,286 - AND YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT 39 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,321 THE SENTENCE WILL BE LIFE IN PRISON, 40 00:02:00,354 --> 00:02:03,691 WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE OR EARLY RELEASE? 41 00:02:03,724 --> 00:02:04,858 - YES, I DO. 42 00:02:04,892 --> 00:02:09,797 - I WISH FOR HIM TO HAVE A LONG, SUFFERING, CRUEL DEATH. 43 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:11,365 - GARY'S CONFESSION RIPPED APART 44 00:02:11,399 --> 00:02:14,302 NOT ONLY THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS, 45 00:02:14,335 --> 00:02:16,304 BUT OUR FAMILY, AS WELL. 46 00:02:22,676 --> 00:02:25,346 - IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, OKAY. 47 00:02:25,379 --> 00:02:27,681 IT JUST HIT ME IN THE FACE. 48 00:02:27,715 --> 00:02:31,619 - HIS ARREST AFFECTED GREG AND ME AND KRISTEN. 49 00:02:31,652 --> 00:02:35,789 WE--WE BOTH WERE JUST DEVASTATED. 50 00:02:35,823 --> 00:02:37,725 - I WENT INTO SHOCK. 51 00:02:37,758 --> 00:02:39,727 I WENT INTO HIDING. I WENT INTO DENIAL. 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,264 - FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN OUR FAMILY. 53 00:02:43,297 --> 00:02:45,199 WE COMPLETELY WITHDREW. 54 00:02:45,233 --> 00:02:47,335 I THINK GARY IS A MONSTER. 55 00:02:47,368 --> 00:02:50,738 - GARY WAS CHARGED WITH MURDERING 48 WOMEN. 56 00:02:50,771 --> 00:02:54,242 BUT HE CLAIMS TO HAVE KILLED MORE THAN 70. 57 00:02:54,275 --> 00:02:55,843 - "I KILLED SO MANY WOMEN, 58 00:02:55,876 --> 00:02:58,279 I HAVE A HARD TIME KEEPING THEM STRAIGHT." 59 00:02:58,312 --> 00:02:59,313 IS THAT TRUE? 60 00:02:59,347 --> 00:03:00,814 - YES. 61 00:03:00,848 --> 00:03:02,916 - MANY OF THE VICTIMS' REMAINS ARE STILL MISSING. 62 00:03:08,356 --> 00:03:11,392 - WHAT HE DID 63 00:03:11,425 --> 00:03:16,397 CAST THIS HUGE BLANKET OF SHAME 64 00:03:16,430 --> 00:03:19,867 ON EVERYBODY THAT WAS A RIDGWAY. 65 00:03:22,803 --> 00:03:25,306 - GARY'S BROTHERS ARE STILL RAW. 66 00:03:25,339 --> 00:03:26,640 - MM-HMM. - HIS SON IS RAW. 67 00:03:26,674 --> 00:03:27,841 KRISTEN, YOU'RE RAW. 68 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:30,010 THE FAMILIES-- THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES... 69 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:33,414 - YEAH. - THEY'RE ALL RAW. 70 00:03:33,447 --> 00:03:35,249 both: YEAH. 71 00:03:35,283 --> 00:03:37,718 - FOR THE FIRST TIME IN TEN YEARS, 72 00:03:37,751 --> 00:03:46,960 MY MOTHER DORENE, AUNT TINA, AND COUSIN JENNIFER 73 00:03:46,994 --> 00:03:54,001 WHEN THERE'S 49 WOMEN WHO'VE-- YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE FAMILIES 74 00:03:54,034 --> 00:03:56,670 - NOT HAVING THAT CLOSURE FOR YOUR FAMILY 75 00:03:56,704 --> 00:04:00,508 AND FOR THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES... - MM-HMM. 76 00:04:00,541 --> 00:04:02,376 - IT'S JUST TORTUROUS. IT'S TORTURE. 77 00:04:02,410 --> 00:04:04,945 AS A FAMILY, WE NEED TO DECIDE, 78 00:04:04,978 --> 00:04:10,651 WHAT CAN OUR ROLE BE? 79 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:13,421 HELP THIS--THIS... 80 00:04:13,454 --> 00:04:16,357 THE CONSEQUENCES OF GARY'S ACTIONS. 81 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:17,325 - RIGHT. - HE'S STILL ALIVE NOW. 82 00:04:17,358 --> 00:04:19,293 HE'S STILL ALIVE TODAY. 83 00:04:19,327 --> 00:04:20,794 AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A REASON, 84 00:04:20,828 --> 00:04:23,731 AND I THINK THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 85 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:24,998 - RIGHT, YEAH. - YEAH. 86 00:04:25,032 --> 00:04:28,336 SO IF WE COME TOGETHER AS A FAMILY 87 00:04:28,369 --> 00:04:30,738 AND WE ASK HIM ABOUT THE BODIES, 88 00:04:30,771 --> 00:04:34,975 MAYBE WHILE HE'S STILL ALIVE 89 00:04:35,008 --> 00:04:38,879 THAT HE WASN'T WILLING TO GIVE THOSE INTERROGATORS. 90 00:04:44,785 --> 00:04:47,588 - IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THIS TRAGEDY, 91 00:04:47,621 --> 00:04:49,957 WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING. 92 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:51,859 WE HAVE TO TEST OUR MEMORIES 93 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:54,795 TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE COULD HAVE DONE TO STOP IT. 94 00:04:58,366 --> 00:05:00,701 - JULY 4, 1982, 95 00:05:00,734 --> 00:05:04,405 GARY AND MARY AND MY PARENTS, MY BROTHER, 96 00:05:04,438 --> 00:05:06,840 WE WERE ALL THERE AT OUR PROPERTY, THE TRIPLE R, 97 00:05:06,874 --> 00:05:09,477 AND WE WERE ENJOYING A HOLIDAY WEEKEND. 98 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:11,745 AND IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES 99 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:16,350 THAT WE REALLY HAD A GET-TOGETHER ON OUR PROPERTY. 100 00:05:16,384 --> 00:05:18,352 I NEVER HEARD GARY GET MAD. 101 00:05:18,386 --> 00:05:20,454 I NEVER SAW GARY CUSS. 102 00:05:20,488 --> 00:05:22,923 I NEVER SAW HIM BE ANYTHING BUT A GENTLEMAN 103 00:05:22,956 --> 00:05:24,057 TO EVERYBODY. 104 00:05:24,091 --> 00:05:25,826 - WHAT THE FAMILY DIDN'T KNOW 105 00:05:25,859 --> 00:05:30,130 IS THAT GARY HAD BEEN ARRESTED FOR SOLICITING PROSTITUTES. 106 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:32,866 - I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THAT LIFE OF HIS. 107 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:35,903 HE APPEARED TO BE NOTHING BUT A FAMILY MAN. 108 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:43,611 - GARY LEFT THAT PARTY TO GO TO THE SEA-TAC STRIP, 109 00:05:43,644 --> 00:05:46,113 WHERE HE WOULD MEET HIS FIRST VICTIM, 110 00:05:46,146 --> 00:05:47,748 WENDY COFFIELD. 111 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:55,122 - WENDY COFFIELD WAS OUT AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW. 112 00:05:55,155 --> 00:05:56,690 SHE WAS VERY YOUNG. 113 00:05:56,724 --> 00:06:02,496 A HAPPY-GO-LUCKY YOUNG LADY, 114 00:06:02,530 --> 00:06:05,098 AND SHE WAS IN TACOMA A LOT. SHE WAS IN SEATTLE. 115 00:06:05,132 --> 00:06:08,536 SO SHE WAS OUT IN THE STREETS MEETING A LOT OF PEOPLE, 116 00:06:08,569 --> 00:06:11,905 STREET PEOPLE, AND BASICALLY HANGING AROUND AREAS 117 00:06:11,939 --> 00:06:13,874 WHERE THERE WERE PROSTITUTION. 118 00:06:13,907 --> 00:06:17,144 I THINK A LOT OF YOUNG LADIES ENDED UP IN GARY RIDGWAY'S CAR 119 00:06:17,177 --> 00:06:20,548 BECAUSE HE WAS UNASSUMING. 120 00:06:20,581 --> 00:06:22,816 HE COULD BASICALLY CONVINCE YOU OF SOMETHING 121 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:23,784 YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO, 122 00:06:23,817 --> 00:06:25,686 AND THAT--THAT WAS GARY. 123 00:06:25,719 --> 00:06:32,960 - HE WAS JUST A NORMAL, EVERYDAY AVERAGE GUY. 124 00:06:32,993 --> 00:06:40,768 HE SEEMED NORMAL. HE SEEMED LIKE A JOVIAL GUY. 125 00:06:40,801 --> 00:06:44,204 WHICH I JUST-- I JUST CAN'T COMPREHEND. 126 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:48,776 - I COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN ONE OF THE GIRLS THAT-- 127 00:06:48,809 --> 00:06:50,043 ONE OF HIS VICTIMS. 128 00:06:54,515 --> 00:06:56,149 HE LOOKS JUST LIKE MOST OF THE OTHER GUYS, 129 00:06:56,183 --> 00:06:58,619 SO I DON'T KNOW, 130 00:06:58,652 --> 00:07:03,524 BUT I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GOT IN HIS CAR. 131 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:13,901 TWO BOYS RIDING THEIR BICYCLES ACROSS THE RIVER 132 00:07:13,934 --> 00:07:17,538 LOOKED DOWN AND SAW WENDY COFFIELD'S BODY. 133 00:07:23,711 --> 00:07:25,779 - WELL, WENDY COFFIELD WAS THE FIRST. 134 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:26,947 - SHE WAS. - AND SHE WAS FOUND HERE. 135 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:28,115 - SHE'S THE ONE WHO WAS FOUND, 136 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:31,952 AND HE GOT THE NAME "THE GREEN RIVER KILLER" AFTER THAT. 137 00:07:31,985 --> 00:07:33,220 - YEAH. - BECAUSE I--I'M PRETTY SURE 138 00:07:33,253 --> 00:07:35,923 IT WAS BECAUSE OF FINDING HER BODY 139 00:07:35,956 --> 00:07:37,891 IN HERE, LIKE, RIGHT OVER THERE. 140 00:07:44,932 --> 00:07:48,268 - WHEN GARY RIDGWAY FIRST STARTED KILLING WOMEN IN 1982, 141 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:50,037 IT WASN'T FEELING LIKE A SERIAL MURDER CASE. 142 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:52,072 IT WAS JUST MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING? 143 00:07:52,105 --> 00:07:54,241 AND THE GREEN RIVER, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA, 144 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:55,976 IT'S JUST KIND OF THE LAST PLACE 145 00:07:56,009 --> 00:07:58,145 YOU'D THINK THAT A SERIAL KILLER REALLY WOULD BE. 146 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:02,550 - THERE WAS NOT A HINT. 147 00:08:02,583 --> 00:08:05,986 THERE WAS NOT A CLUE THAT HE HAD ANY PROBLEM. 148 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:08,922 HE JUST SEEMED LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE GUY NEXT DOOR. 149 00:08:08,956 --> 00:08:13,060 I SAW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BECAUSE I WASN'T LOOKING FOR ANYTHING. 150 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,770 DEBRA BONNER, WHO I WAS PROSECUTING, 151 00:08:22,803 --> 00:08:25,205 BUT SHE DIDN'T COME TO COURT BECAUSE SHE WAS DEAD. 152 00:08:36,316 --> 00:08:38,185 - DEBBIE BONNER, IT WAS FOUND BY A YOUNG MAN 153 00:08:38,218 --> 00:08:41,321 WHO WAS WORKING AT A SLAUGHTERHOUSE NEARBY. 154 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:44,124 AND HE WAS SMOKING A CIGAR, LOOKING DOWN, 155 00:08:44,157 --> 00:08:46,827 SAW THE WATER MOVING, AND HE WENT DOWN TO LOOK 156 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:51,531 AND IT WAS BONNER, NUDE, AND VERY SCARY-LOOKING TO HIM. 157 00:08:53,967 --> 00:08:59,740 - WENDY COFFIELD AND DEBRA LYNN BONNER WERE INITIAL VICTIMS. 158 00:09:02,009 --> 00:09:03,210 I CAN STILL REMEMBER HER FACE. 159 00:09:03,243 --> 00:09:06,079 I MEAN, SHE LOOKED SO YOUNG AND SO... 160 00:09:06,113 --> 00:09:08,882 I DON'T KNOW. THEY, JUST THOSE... 161 00:09:08,916 --> 00:09:11,752 IT'S SO LONG AGO BUT IT WAS SO SAD. 162 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:15,856 - I FIRST GOT INVOLVED WITH THE GREEN RIVER TASK FORCE 163 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:19,927 IN AUGUST OF 1982. 164 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,162 I HAD BEEN ASSIGNED TO DAVE REICHERT, 165 00:09:22,195 --> 00:09:24,798 WHO WAS THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR. 166 00:09:24,832 --> 00:09:27,167 - POLICE STARTED THINKING THAT THEY MAY HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM 167 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,002 AND A SERIAL CASE 168 00:09:29,036 --> 00:09:32,806 WHEN THREE MORE REMAINS ARE FOUND IN THE GREEN RIVER. 169 00:09:36,176 --> 00:09:39,212 SUDDENLY THERE'S THIS MAN GOING DOWN THE RIVER 170 00:09:39,246 --> 00:09:41,949 LOOKING FOR BOTTLES AND THINGS TO SELL, 171 00:09:41,982 --> 00:09:44,785 AND HE LITERALLY STARTS BUMPING INTO BODIES. 172 00:09:44,818 --> 00:09:47,154 TWO ARE IN THE RIVER. THEY DISCOVER ONE ON THE BANK. 173 00:09:47,187 --> 00:09:50,991 SO ESSENTIALLY, VERY QUICKLY YOU SUDDENLY HAD FIVE. 174 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:55,195 - THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE INVESTIGATIVE AREA 175 00:09:55,228 --> 00:09:59,199 WAS JUST PANIC AND CHAOS. 176 00:09:59,232 --> 00:10:00,868 THERE'S A SERIAL KILLER HERE. 177 00:10:00,901 --> 00:10:03,937 WE WANT TO SOLVE IT. 178 00:10:03,971 --> 00:10:05,238 THAT'S KILLING THESE YOUNG WOMEN. 179 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,142 - THE SITUATION THAT EVOLVED, 180 00:10:09,176 --> 00:10:13,714 WHICH WAS JUST THIS PROLIFIC KILLER. 181 00:10:13,747 --> 00:10:16,984 BODY AFTER BODY AFTER BODY AFTER BODY. 182 00:10:17,017 --> 00:10:19,853 I MEAN, UNSOLVED HOMICIDES ALL AROUND SEATTLE 183 00:10:19,887 --> 00:10:23,156 WITH THIS KIND OF SHADOW FIGURE THAT WALKED AMONGST US. 184 00:10:23,190 --> 00:10:25,258 AND SO IT WAS A HORRIBLE FEELING OF FEAR. 185 00:10:29,062 --> 00:10:30,931 - WE HAD NO IDEA THE GREEN RIVER KILLER 186 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:33,100 WAS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO US. 187 00:10:38,005 --> 00:10:39,807 - EVERYONE WAS SCARED OF THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 188 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,776 EVERYONE THOUGHT, IF YOU'RE WALKING ON THE SEA-TAC STRIP 189 00:10:42,810 --> 00:10:45,846 OR IF YOU'RE--IF YOU'RE WALKING BY THE GREEN RIVER 190 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:46,980 WHERE THEY FOUND THESE BODIES 191 00:10:47,014 --> 00:10:48,982 THAT MAYBE YOU WOULD GET PICKED UP. 192 00:10:49,016 --> 00:10:52,419 WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH IT. NO ONE REALLY 193 00:10:52,452 --> 00:10:55,155 THEY JUST KNEW THAT WOMEN WERE SHOWING UP DEAD. 194 00:10:57,190 --> 00:11:00,393 THIS OMINOUS NOTION OF A-- OF A GREEN RIVER KILLER WAS-- 195 00:11:00,427 --> 00:11:03,330 WAS EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT SEATTLE. 196 00:11:05,332 --> 00:11:08,936 - EVERY DAY, ALL OF US WERE OBSESSED WITH THIS CASE. 197 00:11:08,969 --> 00:11:10,203 I MEAN, EVERY DAY WE'D COME IN 198 00:11:10,237 --> 00:11:13,140 AND WE'D TRY TO SORT THROUGH EVIDENCE. 199 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:15,776 THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF SUSPECTS IN THE BEGINNING. 200 00:11:15,809 --> 00:11:17,878 PEOPLE WERE CALLING IN TIPS. 201 00:11:17,911 --> 00:11:21,915 AND YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WAS IN 1982. 202 00:11:21,949 --> 00:11:23,884 OKAY, WE DIDN'T HAVE CELL PHONES, 203 00:11:23,917 --> 00:11:28,088 WE DIDN'T HAVE ANSWERING MACHINES IN OUR OFFICE, 204 00:11:28,121 --> 00:11:29,890 WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPUTERS, 205 00:11:29,923 --> 00:11:32,159 SO IT WAS A STRUGGLE. 206 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:35,929 [camera shutter snapping] 207 00:11:35,963 --> 00:11:37,898 I MEAN, IT JUST ATE YOU UP INSIDE 208 00:11:37,931 --> 00:11:40,868 BECAUSE YOU WERE FINDING 209 00:11:40,901 --> 00:11:44,137 ALL OF THESE WOMEN WHO HAD BEEN JUST TOSSED AWAY 210 00:11:44,171 --> 00:11:47,174 LIKE GARBAGE. 211 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:48,408 SO IT WAS FRUSTRATING. 212 00:11:48,441 --> 00:11:50,143 THE VICTIMS ARE NOT JUST PROSTITUTES. 213 00:11:50,177 --> 00:11:53,346 AS FAR AS THE DETECTIVES WHO ARE WORKING HERE FEEL, 214 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:55,015 AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT 215 00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:57,050 FINDING SOMEONE WHO'S KILLING PEOPLE. 216 00:11:57,084 --> 00:12:00,020 I WAS DEDICATED. I WAS WORKING ON THIS THING. 217 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:02,289 I WAS NOT GONNA GIVE UP. 218 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:03,991 I WANTED TO SOLVE IT. 219 00:12:08,061 --> 00:12:11,298 RIGHT AFTER THE VICTIMS WERE FOUND ALONG THE GREEN RIVER, 220 00:12:11,331 --> 00:12:13,433 WE FIGURED HE'S LEFT FIVE. 221 00:12:13,466 --> 00:12:15,168 HE'S PROBABLY GONNA LEAVE ANOTHER ONE. 222 00:12:15,202 --> 00:12:17,470 SO WE ARE STAKING OUT THE RIVER. 223 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:25,879 AND I REMEMBER LISTENING TO THE NEWS BROADCAST 224 00:12:25,913 --> 00:12:36,156 AND SEEING THE HELICOPTER FLYING OVER 225 00:12:36,189 --> 00:12:37,791 YOU JUST BLEW IT FOR US." 226 00:12:37,825 --> 00:12:40,327 IF HE'S WATCHING TV, WHICH HE PROBABLY WAS, 227 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,095 HE'S NOT COMING BACK NOW. 228 00:12:42,129 --> 00:12:44,031 I MEAN, WE HAD A CHANCE TO CATCH HIM, 229 00:12:44,064 --> 00:12:45,165 BUT NOW WE DON'T. 230 00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:49,837 AND THAT'S WHEN THE VICTIMS STARTED GETTING PLACED 231 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:52,139 IN MORE REMOTE LOCATIONS. 232 00:12:56,409 --> 00:12:58,812 - YOU GUYS WERE UP THERE, HAVING YOUR PICNIC, 233 00:12:58,846 --> 00:13:02,115 AND GARY AND I JUST HAPPENED TO BE RIGHT HERE. 234 00:13:02,149 --> 00:13:06,186 "DORENE, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT GREEN RIVER KILLER?" 235 00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:08,421 JUST LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE... 236 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:10,858 I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST... 237 00:13:10,891 --> 00:13:12,325 AT THE TIME, I WAS TAKING CARE OF YOU, 238 00:13:12,359 --> 00:13:14,294 I WAS WORKING FULL TIME, 239 00:13:14,327 --> 00:13:19,933 AND I-I DIDN'T HAVE TIME REALLY TO THINK ABOUT CURRENT EVENTS. 240 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:23,103 "I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED JUST TO HEAR THAT 241 00:13:23,136 --> 00:13:26,406 "THAT PERSON LEFT THESE YOUNG WOMEN, THESE YOUNG GIRLS, 242 00:13:26,439 --> 00:13:32,312 ON THE GROUND." I SAID TO HIM, 243 00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:33,914 DIDN'T BURY THOSE WOMEN." 244 00:13:33,947 --> 00:13:36,917 I CAN STILL REMEMBER HIM NODDING HIS HEAD AND-- 245 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:39,019 - DID HE START BURYING THE BODIES AFTER THAT? 246 00:13:39,052 --> 00:13:41,989 - YEAH, THAT'S WHEN HE AT THAT POINT STARTED BURYING WOMEN. 247 00:14:00,207 --> 00:14:02,309 - GARY LEON RIDGWAY'S MY MIDDLE BROTHER 248 00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:03,643 IN A FAMILY OF THREE BOYS. 249 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:05,178 THERE WASN'T A LOT OF MONEY IN THE FAMILY. 250 00:14:05,212 --> 00:14:07,047 DAD OFTEN WORKED HEAVY CONSTRUCTION, 251 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,182 AND MOM ALSO ENDED UP HAVING TO WORK. 252 00:14:09,216 --> 00:14:10,450 AT THAT TIME IT WAS PERMISSIBLE 253 00:14:10,483 --> 00:14:12,452 FOR A GUY WHO WAS NINE OR TEN YEARS OLD 254 00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:16,056 TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BROTHERS, AND I OFTEN DID THAT, TOO. 255 00:14:16,089 --> 00:14:18,225 - HIS TESTED IQ WAS 85, 256 00:14:18,258 --> 00:14:22,963 WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE AVERAGE IQ OF A PRISON INMATE. 257 00:14:25,665 --> 00:14:27,901 AS A CHILD, HE HAD THE FACTORS 258 00:14:27,935 --> 00:14:30,337 THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH PSYCHOPATHY, 259 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:32,339 OR GROWING UP TO BE VIOLENT. 260 00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:35,208 BEDWETTING, FIRE SETTING, AND CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. 261 00:14:38,045 --> 00:14:41,381 THERE IS A VERY STRONG GENETIC LOADING 262 00:14:41,414 --> 00:14:44,051 ON BECOMING A PSYCHOPATH. 263 00:14:44,084 --> 00:14:56,429 HE PROBABLY INHERITED THE GENETIC MAKEUP 264 00:14:56,463 --> 00:15:01,501 HE MARRIED HIS HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEART, CLAUDIA KRAIG, 265 00:15:01,534 --> 00:15:04,204 WHERE HE BEGAN EXPERIMENTING WITH PROSTITUTES. 266 00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:05,973 - WHEN GARY CAME BACK FROM VIETNAM, 267 00:15:06,006 --> 00:15:08,475 HE WAS CAUGHT WITH A SHOCK BECAUSE HE FOUND OUT HIS-- 268 00:15:08,508 --> 00:15:10,043 HIS WIFE HAD RUN OFF WITH ANOTHER MAN. 269 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:19,052 - IN 1973, GARY MARRIED HIS SECOND WIFE, MARCIA WINSLOW. 270 00:15:19,086 --> 00:15:21,521 THEY HAD ONE SON, MATTHEW. 271 00:15:31,731 --> 00:15:33,333 - GARY AND MATTHEW CAME IN, 272 00:15:33,366 --> 00:15:36,203 AND MATTHEW WAS ALL REAL EXCITED AND HAPPY 273 00:15:36,236 --> 00:15:39,172 BECAUSE THEY'D COME BACK FROM GREENWATER, 274 00:15:39,206 --> 00:15:42,475 AND THEY'D HAD A LADY FRIEND WITH THEM. 275 00:15:42,509 --> 00:15:45,745 AND HER AND GARY HAD TAKEN A WALK, 276 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:48,748 AND I SAID, "WELL, WHERE IS SHE?" 277 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:51,684 "WELL, DAD SAID SHE'D JUST DECIDED TO WALK HOME." 278 00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:54,454 AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE ODD, 279 00:15:54,487 --> 00:15:58,125 BUT, YOU KNOW, I CONTINUED TO GO BACK AND MAKE SUPPER, 280 00:15:58,158 --> 00:16:00,227 AND THE SUBJECT WAS DROPPED. 281 00:16:03,363 --> 00:16:07,234 - GARY RIDGWAY IS A SEXUAL SERIAL KILLER, 282 00:16:07,267 --> 00:16:09,669 THAT OF NECROPHILIA. 283 00:16:09,702 --> 00:16:13,473 IT IS TOTAL CONTROL WHILE THE VICTIM IS DEAD 284 00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:18,645 AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE A NON-RESPONSIVE, NON-COMPLAINING 285 00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:24,517 SEXUAL OBJECT WHO WON'T LEAVE. 286 00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:31,424 IT DOES BECOME THE FAVORITE M.O. OF SOME SEXUAL SERIAL KILLERS 287 00:16:31,458 --> 00:16:33,726 TO STRANGLE WITH THEIR HANDS. 288 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,598 AND IT'S THE MOST COMMON WAY THAT SERIAL MURDER VICTIMS DIE. 289 00:16:38,631 --> 00:16:41,534 - GISELLE LOVVORNE WAS FROM CALIFORNIA. 290 00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:45,338 SHE HAD HOOKED UP WITH, I BELIEVE, JIM TINDAL. 291 00:16:45,372 --> 00:16:47,674 YOU KNOW, THEY WERE BUMMING AROUND AND SEEING NEW PLACES, 292 00:16:47,707 --> 00:16:52,279 AND--AND BASICALLY HE WAS HER BOYFRIEND/PIMP. 293 00:16:52,312 --> 00:16:54,714 SO THEY WERE IN SEATTLE AND STAYING AT A HOTEL 294 00:16:54,747 --> 00:17:00,353 AND ONE AFTERNOON SHE DECIDED TO HITCHHIKE 295 00:17:00,387 --> 00:17:08,295 AND THEN HE NEVER SAW HER AGAIN. 296 00:17:08,328 --> 00:17:10,497 OR WHERE THEY WERE HANGING OUT. 297 00:17:10,530 --> 00:17:13,300 IT WASN'T THEIR AGE. IT WASN'T THEIR RACE. 298 00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:15,335 IT WASN'T THEIR COLOR OF THEIR HAIR. 299 00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:19,406 IT WAS MORE OPPORTUNITY AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING. 300 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:22,075 SOME OF THEM PROBABLY WEREN'T FULL-TIME, 301 00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:23,510 REALLY ENTRENCHED PROSTITUTES. 302 00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:25,278 THEY WERE DOING IT MAYBE JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, 303 00:17:25,312 --> 00:17:27,046 TO HELP PAY THE BILLS. 304 00:17:34,421 --> 00:17:36,223 - I'M JENNY GRAHAM, 305 00:17:36,256 --> 00:17:40,360 AND MY SISTER, DEBRA ESTES, WAS MURDERED BY GARY RIDGWAY. 306 00:17:43,296 --> 00:17:47,667 BECAUSE THINGS WERE BROKEN AT HOME, 307 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:51,104 BECAUSE THINGS WERE VERY ABUSIVE AT HOME, 308 00:17:51,138 --> 00:17:54,307 BOTH MY SISTER AND MY BROTHER STARTED RUNNING AWAY FROM HOME. 309 00:17:54,341 --> 00:17:58,111 SHE LEFT TRYING TO FIND SAFETY, 310 00:18:01,348 --> 00:18:03,216 AT THAT POINT IN TIME, 311 00:18:03,250 --> 00:18:07,787 I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PROSTITUTION BEING INVOLVED. 312 00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:15,695 IN MY KNOWLEDGE, 313 00:18:15,728 --> 00:18:20,200 SHE HAD A ROOF OVER HER HEAD. SHE HAD FOOD. 314 00:18:20,233 --> 00:18:24,737 SO WHAT THAT MEANT WAS THAT SHE WAS NOT BEING BEATEN, 315 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:27,274 NOT BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED IN ANY WAY. 316 00:18:27,307 --> 00:18:31,744 SO IN MY MIND, SHE WAS IN A BETTER PLACE. 317 00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:38,251 - THE WOMEN ON THE STREET ARE ON THE STREET 318 00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:41,854 BECAUSE OF SOME HORRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCE 319 00:18:41,888 --> 00:18:43,223 THAT LANDED THEM THERE. 320 00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:45,392 AND NOW THEY'RE CAUGHT UP 321 00:18:45,425 --> 00:18:49,896 IN A LIFE THAT IS EXTREMELY HARD TO GET OUT OF. 322 00:18:49,929 --> 00:18:53,333 AND NOW THEY GOTTA PAY FOR IT FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. 323 00:18:53,366 --> 00:18:54,767 - THEY WOULD DISAPPEAR. 324 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:56,869 YOU KNOW, THEY'D BE GONE FOR MONTHS. 325 00:18:56,903 --> 00:19:01,674 WHEN SHE CAME HOME, HER FRIEND BECKY MARRERO WAS WITH HER. 326 00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:03,510 ANYWAY, SHE CAME HOME TO GET SOME THINGS. 327 00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:09,416 AND I REMEMBER THAT SHE AND I HAD GOTTEN INTO IT A LITTLE BIT 328 00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:16,389 BECAUSE I HAD NOTHING TO BEGIN WITH, 329 00:19:16,423 --> 00:19:21,228 SO WE ENDED UP GETTING INTO AN ARGUMENT BEFORE SHE LEFT. 330 00:19:21,261 --> 00:19:25,232 THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I SAW HER. 331 00:19:29,336 --> 00:19:30,770 [cries] 332 00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:32,339 I'M SORRY. 333 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:39,712 - IF IT'S A 14 OR 15 OR 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL, 334 00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,348 THAT'S ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING, RIGHT? 335 00:19:41,381 --> 00:19:42,915 BECAUSE THAT'S A CHILD. 336 00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:48,788 WELL, THE GREEN RIVER KILLER KILLED A LOT OF CHILDREN, OKAY? 337 00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:52,259 AND HE'S NOT KNOWN AS A CHILD-KILLER. 338 00:19:52,292 --> 00:19:58,331 - THOSE VICTIMS WERE ONLY ABOUT TEN YEARS OUT OF KINDERGARTEN. 339 00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:04,404 IT JUST BREAKS YOUR HEART. 340 00:20:04,437 --> 00:20:08,975 BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MUCH 341 00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:10,443 OR THEY COULD HAVE. 342 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:15,815 - IN SEATTLE, ANOTHER GRIM DISCOVERY TODAY 343 00:20:15,848 --> 00:20:18,785 THAT COULD BE CONNECTED TO THE STRING OF GREEN RIVER MURDERS, 344 00:20:18,818 --> 00:20:20,753 WHICH HAVE SHAKEN THAT WEST COAST CITY. 345 00:20:20,787 --> 00:20:24,591 - EXPLORER SCOUTS HAVE FOUND THE REMAINS OF ANOTHER HUMAN BODY... 346 00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:25,825 - IN THE LAST MONTH, 347 00:20:25,858 --> 00:20:27,794 THE SKELETAL REMAINS OF TWO MORE WOMEN HAVE ALSO BEEN FOUND. 348 00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:35,668 - THE THING IS ABOUT GARY IS, 349 00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:38,338 HE IS A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. 350 00:20:42,709 --> 00:20:46,946 - MY MOM'S FIRST EXPERIENCE MEETING GARY, 351 00:20:46,979 --> 00:20:48,548 SHE WAS DATING MY DAD, 352 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:51,918 WHO WAS LIVING WITH GREG AND DORENE RIDGWAY. 353 00:20:51,951 --> 00:20:55,688 AND MY DAD TOOK HER TO A HALLOWEEN PARTY 354 00:20:55,722 --> 00:20:57,657 AT THE RIDGWAYS' HOUSE, 355 00:20:57,690 --> 00:21:00,360 AND... 356 00:21:00,393 --> 00:21:07,300 THERE WAS A GUY WITH A MASK AND A CAPE, 357 00:21:07,334 --> 00:21:10,837 LEAVES AND, I DON'T KNOW, LITTLE BRANCHES AND THINGS. 358 00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:13,806 MY MOM ASKED HIM, 359 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,676 "WHAT CHARACTER ARE YOU? WHAT--WHO ARE YOU DRESSED AS?" 360 00:21:16,709 --> 00:21:19,479 AND--AND HE SAID, "OH, THE RIVER MAN." 361 00:21:23,082 --> 00:21:28,621 AND, YEAH, THAT WAS MY MOM'S FIRST--FIRST TIME MEETING GARY. 362 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:35,027 - KRISTI VORAK ON HALLOWEEN NIGHT, YOU KNOW, DISAPPEARS, 363 00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:37,597 AND SHE'S STILL MISSING. 364 00:22:00,052 --> 00:22:04,791 SANDRA MAJOR DISAPPEARED CHRISTMAS. 365 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:08,628 IN FACT, HER FAMILY HAD CALLED THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT 366 00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:10,763 AND FILED A MISSING PERSONS REPORT, 367 00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:13,866 BUT APPARENTLY THAT WAS NOT PASSED ON TO KING COUNTY POLICE, 368 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:16,436 SO IT CREATED A GAP IN THE INVESTIGATION. 369 00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:19,639 - THE FACT THAT HE WAS KILLING 370 00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,974 ON THESE HOLIDAYS OR THESE SPECIAL OCCASIONS, 371 00:22:22,008 --> 00:22:24,444 INCLUDING CHRISTMAS, 372 00:22:24,477 --> 00:22:27,980 JUST ABSOLUTELY IS A MIND-BLOWER TO ME. 373 00:22:28,014 --> 00:22:30,517 I-I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE WERE HAVING GOOD TIMES. 374 00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:32,151 WE WERE--WE WERE WITH THE FAMILY. 375 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:36,055 WE WERE MAKING MEMORIES OF THESE JOYOUS OCCASIONS. 376 00:22:36,088 --> 00:22:41,894 - I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT A LOT OF GARY RIDGWAY'S MURDERS 377 00:22:41,928 --> 00:22:44,731 TOOK PLACE AROUND 378 00:22:44,764 --> 00:22:49,702 FAMILY GATHERINGS OR HOLIDAYS 379 00:22:49,736 --> 00:22:54,073 INDICATES THAT THESE WERE VERY STRESSFUL TIMES FOR HIM, 380 00:22:54,106 --> 00:22:58,445 AND HE HAD TO LOOSEN THE PRESSURE. 381 00:22:58,478 --> 00:23:02,415 AND KILLING, EVIDENTLY, LOOSENED PRESSURE. 382 00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:14,761 - GARY RIDGWAY WAS A SUSPECT EARLY ON IN THE INVESTIGATION. 383 00:23:14,794 --> 00:23:18,531 ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONNECTION WITH MARIE MALVAR. 384 00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:21,601 - MARIE MALVAR DISAPPEARED APRIL 1983. 385 00:23:21,634 --> 00:23:25,438 THE BOYFRIEND AND MARIE'S DAD CALLED POLICE 386 00:23:25,472 --> 00:23:29,676 BECAUSE THE BOYFRIEND SAYS SHE GOT IN A VEHICLE. 387 00:23:29,709 --> 00:23:32,479 THE BOYFRIEND TRIES TO FOLLOW, 388 00:23:32,512 --> 00:23:34,814 BUT DOESN'T QUITE CATCH THE LIGHT RIGHT. 389 00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:37,950 SO IN FACT THE DAD AND THE BOYFRIEND PIMP 390 00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:39,652 DRIVE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 391 00:23:39,686 --> 00:23:42,088 EVENTUALLY, THEY GO INTO A DEAD END, 392 00:23:42,121 --> 00:23:46,993 AND IN FACT THAT'S THE PICKUP THAT HE SAYS THAT MARIE GOT IN. 393 00:23:47,026 --> 00:23:48,695 SO THEY CALL DES MOINES POLICE. 394 00:23:51,664 --> 00:23:53,666 TWO OFFICERS COME OUT 395 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,235 AND BASICALLY, THEY GO, "LOOK. WELL, THERE'S NO ONE HERE." 396 00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:59,572 WELL, YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT A BODY TO BE SITTING THERE. 397 00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:01,874 GARY HAD BEEN TOO METICULOUS AND SO FORTH. 398 00:24:01,908 --> 00:24:04,644 BUT MARIE MALVAR WAS ONE WHO FOUGHT VERY HARD 399 00:24:04,677 --> 00:24:07,814 AND SCRATCHED GARY TREMENDOUSLY. 400 00:24:07,847 --> 00:24:10,850 HE SAYS THAT HE HID HIS ARM AGAINST THE FENCE, 401 00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:14,787 SO THE SERGEANT AND THE OTHER OFFICER COULDN'T SEE IT. 402 00:24:14,821 --> 00:24:16,222 WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY, 403 00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,058 THEY PROBABLY MISSED ONE OF THEIR BEST OPPORTUNITIES 404 00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:21,861 TO CATCH GARY. AND WE'RE TALKING 1983. 405 00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:27,734 - AN INVESTIGATION JUST WENT ON AND ON AND ON, 406 00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:30,136 AND WE WOULD SEE THESE VISIONS ON TV 407 00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:32,872 OF TROMPING AROUND OUT IN THE BRUSH AND THE RIVER 408 00:24:32,905 --> 00:24:36,576 AND MORE BODIES, YOU KNOW, AND MORE BODIES AND MORE BODIES. 409 00:24:36,609 --> 00:24:38,645 AND REALLY NOTHING CHANGED. 410 00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:52,158 - SEATTLE WAS WONDERING, "WHAT'S GOING ON?" 411 00:24:52,191 --> 00:24:54,761 SO KING COUNTY POLICE FINALLY DECIDED 412 00:24:54,794 --> 00:24:57,630 THAT IN 1984 THEY WOULD HAVE A TASK FORCE. 413 00:24:57,664 --> 00:24:59,699 - IT WAS HEADED BY BOB KEPPEL. 414 00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:01,033 BOB KEPPEL HAD ALSO BEEN 415 00:25:01,067 --> 00:25:03,035 THE HEAD OF THE TED BUNDY TASK FORCE. 416 00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:09,742 - IT TYPICALLY TAKES QUITE A LOT OF EFFORT AND TIME 417 00:25:09,776 --> 00:25:15,181 IN THE TED BUNDY CASES, WE HAD AT MOST 3,500 NAMES. 418 00:25:15,214 --> 00:25:20,553 IN THE GREEN RIVER CASES, THERE WERE OVER 77,000 NAMES. 419 00:25:20,587 --> 00:25:22,955 THIS IS SUCH AN UNPRECEDENTED CASE 420 00:25:22,989 --> 00:25:28,628 THAT DETECTIVES WORKING IT HAVE TO CONSIDER THE PROCESS 421 00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:31,197 VERSUS THE ACTUAL GOAL END. 422 00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:34,701 - SO THEY START ACCUMULATING BASICALLY LISTS OF PEOPLE 423 00:25:34,734 --> 00:25:36,569 WHO KNEW, SAY, WENDY COFFIELD, 424 00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:38,571 WHO KNEW BONNER, WHO WAS CLOSE TO THEM. 425 00:25:38,605 --> 00:25:40,873 YOU FINALLY HAVE A SYSTEMATIC WAY 426 00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:46,713 OF LOOKING AT VICTIMS, THE MISSING, AND THE SUSPECT. 427 00:25:46,746 --> 00:25:48,214 - WE HAD MEETINGS EVERY DAY 428 00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:51,951 TO UPDATE EVERYONE ON WHAT THE SUSPECTS' NAMES WERE, 429 00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,086 WAS THERE ANY MORE INFORMATION. 430 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:59,025 WE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE FBI TO GET A PROFILE. 431 00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,928 - WHITE MALE. USED PICKUP TRUCK. 432 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:07,700 MARITAL DISCOURSE. 433 00:26:07,734 --> 00:26:11,971 IT WAS SORT OF A FRAME THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT, 434 00:26:12,004 --> 00:26:14,273 BUT, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T NAME INDIVIDUALS. 435 00:26:14,306 --> 00:26:18,377 - GARY DID NOT FIT THE SERIAL KILLER PROFILE. 436 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:30,990 I DON'T THINK THE POLICE BELIEVED 437 00:26:37,296 --> 00:26:38,665 - THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF FOLKLORE 438 00:26:38,698 --> 00:26:39,966 ABOUT THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 439 00:26:39,999 --> 00:26:42,802 THE PUBLIC DEFENDER IN TACOMA WAS A SUSPECT, 440 00:26:42,835 --> 00:26:47,006 THAT PROMINENT MAJOR CRIMES KING COUNTRY SHERIFF'S DEPUTY 441 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,675 WAS A PRIME SUSPECT. 442 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:50,777 AND ALL AROUND THE COURTHOUSE, EVERYONE KNEW IT. 443 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:52,745 AND YOU'D SEE HIM, AND YOU'D JUST BE, LIKE, 444 00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:54,113 HE'S THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 445 00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:56,783 - WE HAD A CAB DRIVER WHO CAME IN AND SAID 446 00:26:56,816 --> 00:26:58,017 HE KNEW ONE OF THE GIRLS. 447 00:26:58,050 --> 00:27:00,687 HE ENDED UP BEING SOMEONE THAT WAS 448 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,391 HEAVILY LOOKED AT AS A SUSPECT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 449 00:27:05,424 --> 00:27:09,929 - MELVIN FOSTER WAS AN ENIGMA. 450 00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,899 THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN MELVIN, 451 00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:16,703 BECAUSE HE WAS SO VOCAL TO THE PRESS. 452 00:27:16,736 --> 00:27:19,238 - FOR NEARLY A MONTH NOW, UNDERCOVER OFFICERS HAVE BEEN 453 00:27:19,271 --> 00:27:22,274 STATIONED IN THIS AREA, KEEPING A 24-HOUR WATCH 454 00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:25,111 ON MELVIN FOSTER, WHO LIVES JUST UP THE ROAD FROM HERE. 455 00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:28,147 - TOO MANY PEOPLE WERE FORCING LAW ENFORCEMENT 456 00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:30,817 TO LOOK AT HIM AS A SUSPECT. 457 00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:35,955 THAT INCLUDED ALL THE TELEVISION MEDIA AND THE NEWSPAPERS. 458 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:40,092 - DID YOU KILL ALL THOSE WOMEN OR WHAT? 459 00:27:40,126 --> 00:27:41,994 - NO, BUT I WISH I DID. 460 00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:43,229 I WISH I DID KNOW WHO DID. 461 00:27:43,262 --> 00:27:47,466 - THEY WANTED MELVIN FOSTER AS THE SUSPECT. 462 00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:49,969 BUT I NEVER THOUGHT THE KILLER WOULD EVER 463 00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:54,841 ACT LIKE MELVIN FOSTER. 464 00:27:54,874 --> 00:27:57,977 - WE WERE JUST APPALLED AND ANGRY, 465 00:27:58,010 --> 00:28:00,847 AND WE WANTED THIS PERSON CAUGHT AND PUNISHED, 466 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,950 BECAUSE THIS WAS JUST INHUMAN. 467 00:28:03,983 --> 00:28:07,453 WE WERE JUST AS AFRAID AND DISMAYED 468 00:28:07,486 --> 00:28:10,890 AS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. 469 00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:16,128 WE WERE ALL GATHERED AROUND AS A FAMILY, WATCHING A PROGRAM 470 00:28:16,162 --> 00:28:20,800 ABOUT THE GREEN RIVER KILLER, AND HE JUST-- 471 00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:23,836 HE DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. 472 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:29,909 AND WE WERE HAVING THIS BIG OLD FAMILY DISCUSSION 473 00:28:29,942 --> 00:28:34,747 AND "OH, MY GOD," AND HE JUST WAS VERY QUIET THAT DAY. 474 00:28:34,781 --> 00:28:37,850 - HOW COULD YOU HOLD THAT WITHIN YOUR BEING? 475 00:28:37,884 --> 00:28:42,755 TO NOT BE ABLE TO-- TO LET IT LOOSE TO ANYBODY? 476 00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:44,791 IT WAS A SECRET. JUST HE KNEW THAT. 477 00:28:44,824 --> 00:28:47,894 HE WAS THE ONLY ONE. AND HE WAS ABLE TO SIDESTEP THAT 478 00:28:47,927 --> 00:28:52,164 ALL OF THOSE YEARS. HOW WAS HE ABLE TO DO THAT? 479 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:01,507 POLICE ARE HUNTING A MASS MURDERER BELIEVED TO HAVE KILLED 480 00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:04,977 AS MANY AS 21 PROSTITUTES IN THE LAST 22 MONTHS. 481 00:29:05,011 --> 00:29:08,881 - THE GIRLS ARE OFTEN TEENAGERS, MANY RUNAWAYS. 482 00:29:12,985 --> 00:29:16,322 - SOME OF THE CHALLENGE WAS IDENTIFYING THE YOUNG WOMEN 483 00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:18,557 - A LOT OF THE GIRLS USED ALIASES, YOU KNOW. 484 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:21,828 BETTY JONES WAS ONE OF THE NAMES THAT DEBBIE ESTES USED. 485 00:29:21,861 --> 00:29:24,831 THERE ARE PICTURES OF HER BASICALLY 486 00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:26,398 IN DIFFERENT DISGUISES. 487 00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:31,403 AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THESE TWO PICTURES, 488 00:29:31,437 --> 00:29:35,174 - MY MOM STARTED TRYING TO LOCATE MY SISTER. 489 00:29:35,207 --> 00:29:41,881 MY MOM FOUND HER PICTURE IN THE PROSTITUTION FILES 490 00:29:41,914 --> 00:29:45,084 AND THE POLICE SAID, "NO, THIS IS BETTY JONES. 491 00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:49,922 WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR HER FOR TWO YEARS." 492 00:29:49,956 --> 00:29:51,023 THAT'S DEBRA ESTES." 493 00:29:51,057 --> 00:29:52,992 SO THAT WAS--THAT WAS A SHOCK. 494 00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:56,295 AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I KNEW ANYTHING AT ALL 495 00:29:56,328 --> 00:29:59,265 ABOUT PROSTITUTION BEING INVOLVED. 496 00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:02,969 I HAD NO IDEA THAT MY SISTER WAS DEAD. 497 00:30:06,572 --> 00:30:08,074 - POLICE IN WASHINGTON STATE BELIEVE THEY'VE FOUND 498 00:30:08,107 --> 00:30:09,541 THE REMAINS OF ANOTHER VICTIM 499 00:30:09,575 --> 00:30:12,979 OF THE SO-CALLED "GREEN RIVER KILLER." 500 00:30:18,217 --> 00:30:20,887 - CAROL CHRISTENSEN WAS NOT A PROSTITUTE. 501 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,491 SO SHE WAS AT THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME. 502 00:30:25,524 --> 00:30:27,526 PICKS HER UP, THEY GO TO HIS HOUSE, 503 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,963 AND, UH--HE KILLS HER. 504 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:40,006 - WHEN I SAW THE PICTURES OF CAROL CHRISTENSEN, 505 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,074 I KNEW THIS WAS THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 506 00:30:42,108 --> 00:30:51,550 SHE HAD A TROUT ACROSS HER NECK, 507 00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:56,622 A WINE BOTTLE ON HER STOMACH, WHICH WAS EMPTY, 508 00:30:56,655 --> 00:31:01,560 AND SHE HAD A SACK ACROSS HER FACE. 509 00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:05,431 SHE HAD HER HANDS CLASPED, AND ON TOP OF HER HAND 510 00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:09,035 WAS A PILE OF SAUSAGE. 511 00:31:09,068 --> 00:31:12,004 MY FEELING WAS, THE GREEN RIVER KILLER 512 00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:14,106 DID THAT FOR HIMSELF. 513 00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:17,043 HE WAS ENJOYING THAT WHOLE PROCESS 514 00:31:17,076 --> 00:31:21,013 OF DECORATING HER BODY WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS 515 00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:25,084 THAT WE NEVER FOUND ANYWHERE ELSE. 516 00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:28,187 - PROBABLY BECAUSE POLICE WERE SO CLOSE WITH MARIE MALVAR 517 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,656 THAT NOW HE HAS TO CHANGE SOME OF HIS M.O. 518 00:31:30,689 --> 00:31:35,494 - I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION 519 00:31:35,527 --> 00:31:38,564 THE CAPTAIN AT THE TIME OPTED TO INCLUDE HER, 520 00:31:38,597 --> 00:31:41,533 UM, BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THAT WHAT WAS THERE 521 00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:51,443 WAS SENDING A MESSAGE, AND SO SHE WAS ADDED TO OUR LIST. 522 00:31:58,985 --> 00:32:03,489 - THEY SAY, UH, "OH, HE ONLY HAS AN IQ OF THIS MUCH." 523 00:32:03,522 --> 00:32:06,425 WELL, I'M SORRY, BUT YOU CAN'T KEEP THIS MANY MURDERS QUIET 524 00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:10,562 FOR THIS MANY YEARS WITHOUT A LITTLE BIT OF CUNNING. 525 00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:17,669 - GARY RIDGWAY PULLED THE STRINGS. 526 00:32:17,703 --> 00:32:20,039 AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW SMART I AM." 527 00:32:20,072 --> 00:32:23,709 I THINK THAT WAS PART OF HIS MAKEUP. 528 00:32:23,742 --> 00:32:28,514 - I MET GARY, UM, BEFORE I EVER MET MY HUSBAND, 529 00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:30,549 ABOUT 1983. 530 00:32:30,582 --> 00:32:33,352 AND I'D GOTTEN OFF OF WORK AND I WAS WALKING ALONG 531 00:32:33,385 --> 00:32:35,554 THE ROAD AND HE STOPPED AND OFFERED ME A RIDE. 532 00:32:35,587 --> 00:32:37,556 HE TRIED TO PICK-- PICK ME UP ALONG HERE, 533 00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:40,626 RIGHT OVER THERE WHERE THE BRIDGE IS. 534 00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:42,294 AND, UH, I DIDN'T HITCHHIKE 535 00:32:42,328 --> 00:32:44,696 AND I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY HE FELT. 536 00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:47,566 SO I--I, UH, SAID "NO, THANK YOU," 537 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,435 AND HE WASN'T PLEASED. 538 00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:53,405 THE MORE HE TRIED TO PRESSURE ME INTO THE CAR, 539 00:32:53,439 --> 00:32:54,706 HE KEPT TRYING TO? 540 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:56,442 - OH, YEAH, HE KEPT TRYING TO GET ME. 541 00:32:56,475 --> 00:32:58,477 - SO YOU JUST SAW-- YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS. 542 00:32:58,510 --> 00:32:59,778 - NO. 543 00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:02,614 I WALKED DOWN THE STREET AFTER HE LEFT. 544 00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:07,686 AND I PROCEEDED TO WALK UP TO A PHONE BOOTH 545 00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:11,157 HALF AN HOUR AFTER I USED THAT PHONE BOOTH, 546 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:14,526 KIMBERLY NELSON DISAPPEARED FROM THE SAME PHONE BOOTH. 547 00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:22,768 - WHEN I DID FIRST MEET GARY THE SECOND TIME, 548 00:33:22,801 --> 00:33:24,770 I KNEW I KNEW HIM FROM SOMEWHERE BUT I COULDN'T PLACE 549 00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:27,039 WHERE IT WAS, AND IT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE 550 00:33:27,073 --> 00:33:28,507 FOR ME TO FIGURE IT OUT. 551 00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:30,742 BUT I-- I NEVER MADE ANY CONNECTION. 552 00:33:30,776 --> 00:33:32,444 IT FREAKS ME OUT, 553 00:33:32,478 --> 00:33:35,314 WHEN I REALIZE NOW, YOU KNOW, 554 00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:37,116 I COULD'VE BEEN ONE OF HIS VICTIMS. 555 00:33:37,149 --> 00:33:38,750 THERE WAS SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT GARY, 556 00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:44,056 BUT I NEVER FELT ANYTHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE. 557 00:33:45,491 --> 00:33:50,396 - THESE ARE THE CUES THAT I LOOK BACK ON TODAY. 558 00:33:50,429 --> 00:33:53,765 THEY WERE EVERYWHERE THAT GARY COULD POSSIBLY 559 00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:55,834 HAVE BEEN THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 560 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:59,471 BUT I DIDN'T SEE THEM. 561 00:33:59,505 --> 00:34:02,341 - ABOUT 1984, A WOMAN NAMED REBECCA GUY 562 00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:04,410 GOES TO AUTHORITIES, AND SAYS THAT 563 00:34:04,443 --> 00:34:06,345 SHE HAD BEEN ASSAULTED A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE. 564 00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:07,746 THAT SHE WAS PICKED UP BY GARY, 565 00:34:07,779 --> 00:34:10,449 THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE SEX IN THE CAR. 566 00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:12,184 SO THEY GO INTO THE WOODS AND THEN 567 00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:13,652 HE TRIES TO CHOKE HER AND KILL HER. 568 00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:16,455 GARY LOST HIS ATTENTION FOR A SECOND. 569 00:34:16,488 --> 00:34:19,191 SHE GOT AWAY, RAN. 570 00:34:19,225 --> 00:34:24,163 - THAT WAS HOW MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE KILLER BECAME KNOWN. 571 00:34:24,196 --> 00:34:30,869 SIZE, HEIGHT, WEIGHT. 572 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:32,471 - I DID THINK IT WAS GARY. 573 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:36,342 AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT WOULD TIE HIM. 574 00:34:36,375 --> 00:34:38,577 - MY FIRST THOUGHT ABOUT GARY RIDGWAY 575 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:42,714 WHEN HIS NAME FIRST CAME UP, WAS THAT HE WAS THE KILLER. 576 00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:48,587 GARY RIDGWAY HAD BEEN ARRESTED A COUPLE OF TIMES 577 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:52,124 NOW WE HAVE TO WORK ON FIGURING OUT A WAY 578 00:34:52,158 --> 00:34:57,796 TO GET EVIDENCE LINKED TO HIM 579 00:34:57,829 --> 00:35:04,236 SO WE COULD ARREST HIM. 580 00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:05,804 - THIS IS THE GREEN RIVER NEAR SEATTLE, 581 00:35:05,837 --> 00:35:07,406 WHICH GAVE ITS NAME TO THE WORST STRING 582 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:10,142 OF UNSOLVED SERIAL MURDERS IN U.S. HISTORY. 583 00:35:10,176 --> 00:35:13,812 - PART OF OUR INVESTIGATION INVOLVED GOING TO THE JAIL 584 00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:16,715 TO TALK TO YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAD BEEN BOOKED FOR PROSTITUTION. 585 00:35:16,748 --> 00:35:18,250 "HAVE YOU SEEN ANYBODY ON THE STREET, 586 00:35:18,284 --> 00:35:19,851 "ANYBODY THAT YOU WERE SCARED OF, 587 00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:22,488 ANYBODY THAT YOU HAD A BAD FEELING ABOUT?" 588 00:35:22,521 --> 00:35:24,623 UH, YOU KNOW, "DID YOU KNOW ANY OF THE VICTIMS?" 589 00:35:24,656 --> 00:35:26,792 AND KELI MCGINNESS WAS ONE OF THE WOMEN 590 00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:28,294 THAT WAS TALKED TO IN THE JAIL. 591 00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:30,896 AND SHE SAID, "I KNEW SOME OF THE VICTIMS, 592 00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:33,665 "AND DON'T WORRY, 'CAUSE I-- I'LL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE 593 00:35:33,699 --> 00:35:38,504 THE GREEN RIVER KILLER," AND WE'RE LIKE, 594 00:35:38,537 --> 00:35:40,206 I'LL BE ABLE TO PICK IT UP. I'LL BE ABLE TO TELL." 595 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,509 AND TURNS OUT, NO, UM, SHE WASN'T ABLE TO TELL. 596 00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:53,885 SHE WAS A VICTIM OF GARY RIDGWAY, 597 00:35:53,919 --> 00:35:56,255 THE GREEN RIVER KILLER, 598 00:35:56,288 --> 00:36:00,759 AND ONE OF THE THREE WHOSE BODIES HAVE NOT BEEN RECOVERED. 599 00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:05,864 - OVER THE YEARS I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT THE VICTIMS 600 00:36:05,897 --> 00:36:07,866 AND HOW THEY SUFFERED. 601 00:36:07,899 --> 00:36:12,638 BUT KELI MCGINNESS SPECIFICALLY, SHE'S COME TO ME IN DREAMS. 602 00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:15,907 - KELI WAS, UM, A KIND OF 603 00:36:15,941 --> 00:36:19,411 A PRECOCIOUS YOUNG CHILD. 604 00:36:19,445 --> 00:36:22,814 AND SHE WAS-- FROM THE VERY BEGINNING-- 605 00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:24,983 FULL OF ENERGY AND FULL OF LIFE. 606 00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:28,987 IT WAS UPSETTING TO ME THAT, UM, THE YOUNG GIRLS 607 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,557 AND THE VICTIMS OF GARY RIDGWAY 608 00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:36,895 WERE STEREOTYPED AS GIRLS WHO HAD A BAD UPBRINGING, 609 00:36:36,928 --> 00:36:39,565 THAT THEY CAME FROM THE WRONG SIDE OF THE TRACKS. 610 00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:42,468 AND IT CERTAINLY WASN'T TRUE OF KELI 611 00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:44,603 AND I'M SURE NOT OF MANY OF THOSE GIRLS. 612 00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:46,705 SHE WAS JUST BEING A REBELLIOUS TEENAGER 613 00:36:46,738 --> 00:36:48,540 AT THAT POINT. 614 00:36:48,574 --> 00:36:49,908 AND THIS WAS THE VERY LAST THING THAT I WOULD'VE EXPECTED 615 00:36:49,941 --> 00:36:53,412 WOULD'VE HAPPENED, THAT SHE WOULD RUN AWAY, 616 00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:55,914 STAY ON THE STREETS, TAKE THE ADVICE 617 00:36:55,947 --> 00:36:58,950 AND ENCOURAGEMENT OF A BOYFRIEND TWO YEARS OLDER 618 00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:02,988 AND LET HIM, UH, PUT HER OUT ON THE STREET, 619 00:37:03,021 --> 00:37:06,858 PUT HER IN HARM'S WAY, AND-- AND AT THE HANDS OF-- 620 00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:10,862 OF THIS HIDEOUS MONSTER THAT WAS MURDERING GIRLS. 621 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,371 - KELI WOULD BE GARY RIDGWAY'S PRIME TROPHY. 622 00:37:21,507 --> 00:37:24,543 THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OF ALL OF HIS VICTIMS, 623 00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:29,415 AND HE WANTS TO KEEP HER IN DEATH TO HIMSELF. 624 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:33,519 - THE PORT OF SEATTLE POLICE ONCE SAW GARY 625 00:37:33,552 --> 00:37:36,588 AT THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD NEAR THE SEATTLE AIRPORT, 626 00:37:36,622 --> 00:37:40,626 AND HE WAS WITH A YOUNG LADY AND SHE WAS USING AN ALIAS. 627 00:37:40,659 --> 00:37:42,994 FURTHER INVESTIGATION INDICATED 628 00:37:43,028 --> 00:37:45,564 THAT THAT WAS KELI MCGINNESS. 629 00:37:45,597 --> 00:37:48,867 KELI MCGINNESS WAS WITH GARY RIDGWAY 630 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:53,472 IN AN AREA WHERE TWO OR THREE SET OF REMAINS WERE FOUND, 631 00:37:53,505 --> 00:37:56,708 AND PLUS NEAR OTHER DUMP SITES. 632 00:37:59,545 --> 00:38:01,613 [phone ringing] 633 00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:05,016 - I GOT A FRANTIC TELEPHONE CALL FROM KELI'S BOYFRIEND, 634 00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:08,887 WHO CLAIMED THAT HE HADN'T HEARD FROM HER 635 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,856 AND COULDN'T FIND HER. 636 00:38:10,889 --> 00:38:15,026 SHE HAD GONE OUT ON WHAT SHE CALLED A DATE 637 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:18,864 AND LEFT HER-- HER PURSE IN THE MOTEL, 638 00:38:18,897 --> 00:38:22,668 AND DIDN'T COME BACK. 639 00:38:22,701 --> 00:38:24,603 I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE POLICE. 640 00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,905 I SPENT A LOT OF TIME DRIVING THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS 641 00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:31,477 LOOKING FOR HER. 642 00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:32,978 - WHEN WE'D GO TO THE PARENTS WE WERE TRYING 643 00:38:33,011 --> 00:38:36,348 TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR CHILD. 644 00:38:36,382 --> 00:38:39,551 WHEN THEY LAST SAW THEM, WHO THEIR FRIENDS WERE, 645 00:38:39,585 --> 00:38:41,753 WHAT KIND OF CLOTHES DID THEY TYPICALLY WEAR? 646 00:38:41,787 --> 00:38:43,955 UM, WHAT WERE THEY DOING, DID THEY KNOW 647 00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:45,757 WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN THEY WEREN'T AT HOME 648 00:38:45,791 --> 00:38:47,759 OR HAD THEY RUN AWAY? 649 00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:51,430 - WHEN THE POLICE TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE GOING TO 650 00:38:51,463 --> 00:38:55,000 CONTACT THE GREEN RIVER TASK FORCE, 651 00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:58,103 I WAS JUST ILL. I WAS SICK. 652 00:38:58,136 --> 00:39:02,040 I WAS IN DENIAL A-A LOT THAT, UM, 653 00:39:02,073 --> 00:39:06,612 SHE REALLY WASN'T GONE, THAT SHE WASN'T DEAD. 654 00:39:06,645 --> 00:39:10,782 I-I KNOW I WAS IN DENIAL, BUT AT TIMES I WOULD TELL MYSELF 655 00:39:10,816 --> 00:39:15,754 THAT PERHAPS SHE, UM, PERHAPS SOMEONE ABDUCTED HER, 656 00:39:15,787 --> 00:39:18,156 OR BY HER OWN WILL SHE WENT TO CHINA 657 00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:20,058 AND SHE WAS MAYBE WORKING OVER THERE, 658 00:39:20,091 --> 00:39:22,428 AND THAT SOMEDAY I'D OPEN THE DOOR 659 00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:24,530 AND MY DAUGHTER WOULD WALK THROUGH IT. 660 00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:32,671 SHE WAS 18 WHEN GARY RIDGWAY STRANGLED HER. 661 00:39:32,704 --> 00:39:36,808 - IN THE 1980s, GARY CONVINCED MY GRANDPARENTS TO BUY PROPERTY 662 00:39:36,842 --> 00:39:38,944 AT LEISURE TIME CAMPGROUND, 663 00:39:38,977 --> 00:39:41,580 WHERE WE WOULD GO ON VACATION AS A FAMILY. 664 00:39:41,613 --> 00:39:45,851 GARY OFTEN SAID THAT HE BURIED KELI MCGINNESS HERE. 665 00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:48,887 POLICE FOUND THE REMAINS OF THREE WOMEN. 666 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,690 NONE OF THEM WERE KELI. 667 00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:53,792 I'D LIKE TO FIND HER REMAINS. 668 00:39:53,825 --> 00:39:57,529 THE BONES OF TINA THOMPSON, SHE'S 22... 669 00:39:57,563 --> 00:39:59,598 - AWW. - WERE FOUND ON JULY 25TH. 670 00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:00,999 - THEN YOU WONDER IF WHEN HE WAS GOING 671 00:40:01,032 --> 00:40:02,834 ON THOSE WALKS ALL BY HIMSELF, 672 00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:04,570 IF HE'S GOING BACK TO THE PLACES WHERE THEY WERE FOUND. 673 00:40:04,603 --> 00:40:06,572 - VISITING HIS VICTIMS, I DON'T KNOW. 674 00:40:06,605 --> 00:40:08,006 BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? 675 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,642 MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER THAT NO ONE KNOWS OF. 676 00:40:10,676 --> 00:40:12,511 - WHEN WE WOULD COME HERE WITH GARY 677 00:40:12,544 --> 00:40:14,980 AND HE ALWAYS WOULD TAKE THESE LONG WALKS, 678 00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:16,882 AND ME AND JUDITH WOULD SIT AND CHEW THE FAT 679 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:21,487 AND CROCHET AND WHATEVER, AND IT'S JUST SO STRANGE. 680 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,855 YOU KNOW, "WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING?" 681 00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:25,557 DID I STAND ON SOMEONE'S GRAVE? 682 00:40:25,591 --> 00:40:28,960 DID I SLEEP ON SOMEONE'S GRAVE? 683 00:40:28,994 --> 00:40:33,665 - THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I WAS PROBABLY SEVEN. 684 00:40:33,699 --> 00:40:39,605 I MEAN, I JUST AM WALKING DOWN THIS LITTLE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY HERE 685 00:40:39,638 --> 00:40:41,640 AND I'M THINKING, 686 00:40:41,673 --> 00:40:46,011 "DID HE DO IT HERE? DID HE DO IT THERE? 687 00:40:46,044 --> 00:40:48,046 "WHERE DID HE DO IT? 688 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,649 HOW IS SOMEONE CAPABLE OF THAT?" 689 00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:52,117 I FEEL ASHAMED. 690 00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:54,953 I FEEL ASHAMED TO HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HIM. 691 00:40:54,986 --> 00:40:58,990 I FEEL ASHAMED THAT... 692 00:40:59,024 --> 00:41:02,193 HE AND I HAVE THE SAME DNA. 693 00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:04,563 THIS PLACE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR ME NOW 694 00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:07,733 SOLELY BECAUSE IT'S THE PLACE OF--OF WHERE THESE-- 695 00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:09,167 THESE WOMEN WERE BURIED. 696 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,705 THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS ANYMORE. 697 00:41:16,675 --> 00:41:19,077 - WHERE THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S FIRE. 698 00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:21,647 AND IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT ALL THE TIMES 699 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,616 THAT THEY HAD GARY ON THE RADAR SCREEN. 700 00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:27,719 - GARY RIDGWAY HAD BEEN ARRESTED A COUPLE OF TIMES 701 00:41:27,753 --> 00:41:30,922 FOR FREQUENTING PROSTITUTES. 702 00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:33,191 - PORT OF SEATTLE, THEY COME ACROSS HIM ONE DAY, 703 00:41:33,224 --> 00:41:36,762 PARKED, AND BASICALLY HE'S VERY CLOSE TO A VICTIM, 704 00:41:36,795 --> 00:41:38,897 BUT HE SAYS HE WAS RELIEVING HIMSELF 705 00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:40,766 AND HE WAS LET GO. 706 00:41:40,799 --> 00:41:43,935 - AS PROSECUTORS, WE-- IN OUR FILES BACK AT THAT TIME, 707 00:41:43,969 --> 00:41:46,638 WE HAD PICTURES OF THE TRUCK OF RIDGWAY. 708 00:41:46,672 --> 00:41:49,641 WE HAD SKETCHES IN ALL OF OUR FILES. 709 00:41:49,675 --> 00:41:54,112 BECAUSE WE WERE CONSTANTLY BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT PEOPLE 710 00:41:54,145 --> 00:41:55,914 THAT WE DEALT WITH AS PROSECUTORS 711 00:41:55,947 --> 00:41:59,551 AS POTENTIAL SUSPECTS. 712 00:41:59,585 --> 00:42:02,621 - SO DENISE BUSH DISAPPEARED. 713 00:42:02,654 --> 00:42:07,292 SHE AND HER PIMP STAYED IN A HOTEL WATCHING SOAP OPERAS. 714 00:42:07,325 --> 00:42:09,094 AND SO, UH, THEY NEEDED CIGARETTES. 715 00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:10,729 SO THEY SAY "WELL, LET'S FLIP A COIN." 716 00:42:10,762 --> 00:42:13,565 AND DENISE LOST, AND SHE HAD TO GO TO THE STORE 717 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:18,103 TO GET CIGARETTES. SO SHE VANISHES. 718 00:42:18,136 --> 00:42:21,039 - I REMEMBER IN 1985, GARY TOOK MATTHEW 719 00:42:21,072 --> 00:42:23,008 ON A CAMPING TRIP TO OREGON. 720 00:42:23,041 --> 00:42:26,712 - MY RECOLLECTION OF DENISE BUSH IS PRIMARILY ABOUT 721 00:42:26,745 --> 00:42:30,015 WHERE SHE WAS FOUND, UM, ALONG PACIFIC HIGHWAY SOUTH 722 00:42:30,048 --> 00:42:34,820 AND THEN PARTS OF HER REMAINS WERE ALSO FOUND IN OREGON. 723 00:42:34,853 --> 00:42:37,689 - HER SKULL IS FOUND IN OREGON. 724 00:42:37,723 --> 00:42:39,725 SO THEN POLICE ARE SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS, 725 00:42:39,758 --> 00:42:42,761 SAYING WHAT'S GOING ON? 726 00:42:42,794 --> 00:42:44,863 - IT GOT US CONCERNED THAT, 727 00:42:44,896 --> 00:42:47,065 MAYBE HE'S GONNA TAKE SOMEBODY A LOT FURTHER 728 00:42:47,098 --> 00:42:50,836 THAN JUST PORTLAND. 729 00:42:54,005 --> 00:42:55,607 - WHAT WERE YOU DOING IN OREGON? 730 00:42:55,641 --> 00:42:59,678 - TAKING MATTHEW FOR, UH, A VACATION, I THINK. 731 00:42:59,711 --> 00:43:02,714 - WOULD IT HAVE BEEN SHORTLY AFTER YOU RETRIEVED THE SKULLS? 732 00:43:02,748 --> 00:43:04,149 - YES. 733 00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:06,084 - WHERE DID YOU HIDE THE SKULLS WHEN YOU DROVE DOWN THERE? 734 00:43:06,117 --> 00:43:08,787 - I PUT 'EM IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR IN PLASTIC BAGS. 735 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:11,122 - WHY THERE? 736 00:43:11,156 --> 00:43:12,724 - I WAS TAKING MATTHEW OVER THERE 737 00:43:12,758 --> 00:43:14,660 AND HE WAS RIDING HIS BIKE. 738 00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:17,062 - BUT NO HISTORY, NO CONNECTION TO THAT SPOT? 739 00:43:17,095 --> 00:43:18,630 - NO, NO CONNECTION, NOTHING. 740 00:43:18,664 --> 00:43:21,633 - GARY WAS LIVING A DOUBLE LIFE. 741 00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:27,673 I STILL, TO THIS DAY, CAN'T GRASP THE MAGNITUDE OF, 742 00:43:27,706 --> 00:43:31,276 OF THE AGONY HE'S CAUSED OTHERS AND, YOU KNOW, 743 00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:34,780 THE AGONY HE'S CAUSED HIS OWN FAMILY. 744 00:43:38,183 --> 00:43:40,986 - IN 1984, 30 WOMEN HAD BEEN KILLED 745 00:43:41,019 --> 00:43:43,755 BY THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 746 00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:46,958 WE DID NOT KNOW THAT GARY WAS UNDER POLICE SURVEILLANCE. 747 00:43:46,992 --> 00:43:50,061 - WE WERE INTERESTED IN PEOPLE 748 00:43:50,095 --> 00:43:54,933 WHO HAD EXPERIENCE WITH PROSTITUTES, 749 00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:56,868 AND HE WAS ONE OF THEM. 750 00:43:56,902 --> 00:44:00,005 - YOU HAVE A CALL FROM AN INMATE 751 00:44:00,038 --> 00:44:01,406 AT WASHINGTON STATE PENITENTIARY. 752 00:44:01,439 --> 00:44:05,777 - WHAT ALLOWED YOU TO MURDER THE YOUNG GIRLS? 753 00:44:05,811 --> 00:44:09,314 - EVERY TIME YOU THINK YOU FOUND THE LAST VICTIM, 754 00:44:09,347 --> 00:44:11,449 YOU'D FIND ANOTHER. AND ANOTHER. 755 00:44:11,482 --> 00:44:12,951 - THEY HADN'T CAUGHT THE KILLER. 756 00:44:12,984 --> 00:44:14,820 AND MORE WOMEN WERE STILL DISAPPEARING. 757 00:44:14,853 --> 00:44:16,722 - WE FOUND HIM. HE'S THE ONE. 758 00:44:16,755 --> 00:44:20,458 - GARY RIDGWAY'S BEEN ARRESTED AND HE'S THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 759 00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:22,193 - MY HEART STOPPED. 760 00:44:22,227 --> 00:44:26,732 - DEBBIE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER. SHE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER. 761 00:44:26,765 --> 00:44:30,702 - I'M SO SORRY FOR WHAT YOU'VE LOST. 762 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,208 - 37 WOMEN ARE DEAD, 9 MORE STILL MISSING, 763 00:44:37,242 --> 00:44:39,878 AND POLICE HAVE SPENT $10 MILLION HUNTING 764 00:44:39,911 --> 00:44:47,385 THE MOST DEADLY SERIAL KILLER IN AMERICAN HISTORY. 765 00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:51,389 - IN 1985 I WAS GOING TO PARENTS WITHOUT PARTNERS. 766 00:44:51,422 --> 00:44:55,026 I SAT ACROSS FROM GARY AND--AND HE ASKED ME TO DANCE. 767 00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:56,762 WENT OUT TO DINNER WITH HIM, I THOUGHT 768 00:44:56,795 --> 00:44:57,963 HE WAS QUITE THE GENTLEMAN. 769 00:44:57,996 --> 00:45:00,999 HE'D OPEN THE DOOR FOR ME AND-- 770 00:45:01,032 --> 00:45:03,935 AND WAS JUST SO KIND AND POLITE. 771 00:45:03,969 --> 00:45:08,039 AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM. 772 00:45:10,408 --> 00:45:14,379 I WAS SO PROUD OF GARY, WHENEVER HIS SON WAS THERE WITH HIM, 773 00:45:14,412 --> 00:45:15,847 TO SPEND TIME WITH HIM, 774 00:45:15,881 --> 00:45:17,515 AND HE WAS SUCH A WONDERFUL FATHER. 775 00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:21,820 IT WAS JUST REALLY NICE KNOWING THAT THIS PERSON 776 00:45:21,853 --> 00:45:23,822 THAT I'M DATING, HE LOVES HIS CHILD 777 00:45:23,855 --> 00:45:25,490 AND A NICE FAMILY. 778 00:45:25,523 --> 00:45:29,928 GARY ASKED ME, HE SAID, "WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE IN WITH ME?" 779 00:45:29,961 --> 00:45:32,798 THEN, UH, WE DECIDED TO GET MARRIED. 780 00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:37,335 - HE'D GO TO WORK EARLY, YOU KNOW, 781 00:45:37,368 --> 00:45:39,871 AND JUDITH WOULD HAVE HIS LUNCH ALL READY. 782 00:45:39,905 --> 00:45:42,473 AND THEN AFTER WORK HE'D COME OVER AND SIT DOWN, 783 00:45:42,507 --> 00:45:44,275 HAVE A BEER. 784 00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:47,813 OR SOMETHING TO EAT OR WHATEVER AND... 785 00:45:47,846 --> 00:45:50,882 THE DOG WOULD SNIFF HIM FOR HOURS 786 00:45:50,916 --> 00:45:53,952 AND HOURS AND HOURS. 787 00:45:53,985 --> 00:45:57,522 TURNED OUT, THERE WAS A LOT TO SMELL. 788 00:45:57,555 --> 00:46:00,058 YOU KNOW, A LOT TO INVESTIGATE. 789 00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:07,999 - SO IN 1987, THE TASK FORCE STARTED GEARING UP 790 00:46:08,033 --> 00:46:11,302 TO GO AFTER GARY RIDGWAY OFFICIALLY, 791 00:46:11,336 --> 00:46:15,540 BECAUSE THERE WERE TOO MANY THINGS THAT MATCHED UP. 792 00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:19,811 - WE SERVED A SEARCH WARRANT ON HIS HOUSE IN 1987. 793 00:46:19,845 --> 00:46:22,147 - SOME POLICE CAME, AND PICKED ME UP 794 00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:24,582 FROM MY DAYCARE CENTER THAT I WORKED AT. 795 00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:26,384 THEY WERE ASKING ME QUESTIONS ABOUT 796 00:46:26,417 --> 00:46:28,920 A SUSPECT OF THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 797 00:46:28,954 --> 00:46:33,859 I WAS IN SHOCK, AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T 798 00:46:33,892 --> 00:46:35,360 KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. 799 00:46:35,393 --> 00:46:39,264 SOMEONE WAS GONNA BE SEARCHING OUR HOUSE AND I SAID NO, 800 00:46:39,297 --> 00:46:41,499 HE--HE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 801 00:46:41,532 --> 00:46:43,869 THEY PICKED GARY UP, TOOK HIM SOMEPLACE 802 00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:46,437 TO TALK TO HIM. 803 00:46:46,471 --> 00:46:49,240 AND ASK HIM QUESTIONS. 804 00:46:49,274 --> 00:46:52,010 - HE WAS AN IMPORTANT SUSPECT BECAUSE 805 00:46:52,043 --> 00:46:53,444 THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY CASES 806 00:46:53,478 --> 00:46:56,014 WITH EXECUTIONS OF SEARCH WARRANTS. 807 00:46:56,047 --> 00:46:58,416 THE CAB DRIVER WAS ONE, AS I REMEMBER. 808 00:46:58,449 --> 00:46:59,851 RIDGWAY WAS ANOTHER. 809 00:46:59,885 --> 00:47:03,021 - I WAS MAYBE SIX. 810 00:47:03,054 --> 00:47:04,890 BUT I DO SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER 811 00:47:04,923 --> 00:47:06,624 BEING IN MY GRANDPARENTS' DRIVEWAY. 812 00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:09,027 THEY HAD TAKEN THE DODGE TRUCK 813 00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:11,963 THAT GRANDMA MARY AND GRANDPA TOM OWNED. 814 00:47:11,997 --> 00:47:13,865 I REMEMBER MY GRANDMA BEING UPSET. 815 00:47:13,899 --> 00:47:17,402 SHE COULDN'T EVEN TALK TO ME. 816 00:47:17,435 --> 00:47:20,972 - THAT'S WHEN THE FBI TOOK TOM AND MARY ASIDE, 817 00:47:21,006 --> 00:47:24,042 AND ASKED THEM QUESTIONS AT THEIR HOUSE. 818 00:47:24,075 --> 00:47:27,278 I JUST THOUGHT, MARY, THIS IS RIDICULOUS, 819 00:47:27,312 --> 00:47:28,880 THAT GARY WOULD BE INVESTIGATED. 820 00:47:28,914 --> 00:47:31,216 WE KNOW HIS BACKGROUND. WE KNOW THAT GARY 821 00:47:31,249 --> 00:47:34,585 DOESN'T HAVE IT IN HIM TO KILL WOMEN AND-- 822 00:47:34,619 --> 00:47:38,156 I JUST DISMISSED THE WHOLE THING. 823 00:47:38,189 --> 00:47:40,325 - AND THEY SEARCH HIS HOUSE, EVERYTHING. 824 00:47:40,358 --> 00:47:43,428 FIBER EVIDENCE, WHERE IS IT? THEY CAN'T FIND IT. 825 00:47:43,461 --> 00:47:47,365 I MEAN THEY CANNOT FIND A SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO CHARGE HIM. 826 00:47:47,398 --> 00:47:49,100 - THE FEELING OF THE PROSECUTORS OFFICE 827 00:47:49,134 --> 00:47:52,670 AND THE POLICE WAS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, 828 00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:55,907 TO PROSECUTE HIM. FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS, 829 00:47:55,941 --> 00:47:56,942 I MEAN THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. 830 00:47:56,975 --> 00:48:00,411 AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE 'EM. 831 00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:05,316 - HE TAKES A POLYGRAPH AND HE PASSES IT. 832 00:48:05,350 --> 00:48:08,119 - GARY PASSED A LIE DETECTOR TEST. 833 00:48:08,153 --> 00:48:11,356 I SAID, SEE, THAT'S PROOF POSITIVE. 834 00:48:11,389 --> 00:48:12,657 - GARY RIDGWAY PASSED A POLYGRAPH. 835 00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:14,625 SO DID TED BUNDY. 836 00:48:14,659 --> 00:48:15,961 THAT KINDA TELLS YOU EVERYTHING. 837 00:48:15,994 --> 00:48:17,996 - BASED ON THAT POLYGRAPH, 838 00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:21,032 THEY TURN IT INTO AN INACTIVE FILE. 839 00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:28,039 BUT ROUTINELY, THEY DID HAVE HIM SUCK ON GAUZE. 840 00:48:28,073 --> 00:48:30,441 AND THEY GOT, UH, SOME SALIVA FROM HIM. 841 00:48:30,475 --> 00:48:34,412 - SALIVA SWABS COULD HELP NARROW DOWN YOUR SUSPECT POOL. 842 00:48:34,445 --> 00:48:37,482 - BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK BACK ON IT YOU'RE LIKE, 843 00:48:37,515 --> 00:48:39,284 WHY DID THEY GET IT WRONG? 844 00:48:39,317 --> 00:48:41,686 LIKE, WHY DIDN'T THEY CATCH HIM THEN? 845 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,291 - IN THE 1980s, DNA WAS NOT WHAT WE'RE ALL USED TO NOW. 846 00:48:46,324 --> 00:48:50,461 DNA WAS BRAND NEW. IT WAS NOT SOPHISTICATED. 847 00:48:50,495 --> 00:48:53,064 YOU WOULD THEN HAVE BEEN FACED WITH A WHOLE HOST OF LITIGATION. 848 00:48:53,098 --> 00:48:55,000 WAS IT TAKEN RIGHT? WAS IT STORED RIGHT? 849 00:48:55,033 --> 00:48:57,235 WAS THE METHODS USED RIGHT? 850 00:48:57,268 --> 00:48:59,570 AND THEN THE HARDEST PART THEN TOO 851 00:48:59,604 --> 00:49:02,673 WOULD HAVE BEEN CONVINCING A JURY 852 00:49:02,707 --> 00:49:05,710 THAT DNA EVIDENCE WAS GOOD AND SOLID. 853 00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:11,049 - WHEN GARY CAME HOME, 854 00:49:11,082 --> 00:49:13,651 HE HAD TOLD ME THAT THEY MADE A MISTAKE. 855 00:49:13,684 --> 00:49:18,056 AND THAT HIS TRUCK LOOKED LIKE SOMEONE ELSE'S. 856 00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:21,526 AND HE CONVINCED ME AND HIS FAMILY THAT, 857 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,161 UH, IT WAS A MISTAKE. 858 00:49:23,194 --> 00:49:25,463 AND THEN AFTER A WHILE ALL OF THAT CALMED DOWN. 859 00:49:25,496 --> 00:49:30,335 AND UH, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE. 860 00:49:30,368 --> 00:49:35,606 AND HE WAS STILL THE SAME GARY THAT I KNEW. 861 00:49:40,178 --> 00:49:42,147 - FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY, POLICE FOUND A BODY 862 00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:44,515 IN THE GREEN RIVER, 16-YEAR-OLD WENDY COFFIELD, 863 00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:46,584 THE FIRST VICTIM OF WHAT CAME TO BE KNOWN 864 00:49:46,617 --> 00:49:48,253 AS THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 865 00:49:48,286 --> 00:49:50,188 TODAY, THE KILLER IS STILL AT LARGE, 866 00:49:50,221 --> 00:49:53,024 GREATER SEATTLE HAS BECOME HIS BURIAL GROUND. 867 00:49:53,058 --> 00:49:56,727 - EVERY TIME YOU THINK, YOU'VE FOUND THE LAST VICTIM, 868 00:49:56,761 --> 00:49:59,364 ANOTHER YEAR WOULD GO BY, AND YOU'D FIND ANOTHER ONE. 869 00:49:59,397 --> 00:50:02,400 AND ANOTHER YEAR. AND ANOTHER. 870 00:50:02,433 --> 00:50:07,305 ONE OF THE VICTIMS, WHICH WAS A SURPRISE TO US, 871 00:50:07,338 --> 00:50:10,608 WAS BURIED, OUTSIDE AN APARTMENT HOUSE. 872 00:50:10,641 --> 00:50:13,444 - THEY DISCOVERED A BONE AT THAT POINT 873 00:50:13,478 --> 00:50:15,346 AND THEN CALLED THE POLICE, AND THE CAME OUT 874 00:50:15,380 --> 00:50:19,184 AND, YOU KNOW-- FOUND HER REMAINS. 875 00:50:19,217 --> 00:50:22,353 AND ENDED UP CONFIRMING THROUGH THE DENTAL CHARTS 876 00:50:22,387 --> 00:50:24,455 THAT THAT WAS INDEED DEBBIE. 877 00:50:24,489 --> 00:50:27,825 - SHE WAS FOUND JUST BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE STEVENS HOTEL, 878 00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:29,627 WHICH WAS ACROSS THE STREET 879 00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:32,530 FROM WHERE HER MOM AND DAD HAD A BUSINESS. 880 00:50:32,563 --> 00:50:34,832 AND SHE HAD NOT GONE VERY FAR. 881 00:50:34,865 --> 00:50:39,804 - DEBBIE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER. 882 00:50:39,837 --> 00:50:41,672 SHE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER. 883 00:50:41,706 --> 00:50:43,574 - WHEN DEBBIE ESTES WAS FOUND, 884 00:50:43,608 --> 00:50:47,145 OF COURSE, ALL THE RELATIVES OF GIRLS 885 00:50:47,178 --> 00:50:49,580 WHO HAD NOT BEEN FOUND, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK THAT 886 00:50:49,614 --> 00:50:52,183 SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN IN THEIR FAMILY. 887 00:50:52,217 --> 00:50:53,551 - THERE WAS A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 888 00:50:53,584 --> 00:50:58,456 WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE TASK FORCE WAS WORKING 889 00:50:58,489 --> 00:51:02,527 TO FIND THE BODIES, THEY WERE WORKING TO FIND THE KILLER, 890 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,597 AND THERE WASN'T ANY, YOU KNOW, DEFINITIVE ANSWERS. 891 00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:11,336 THE SEARCH FOR KELI WENT ON AND ON FOR MANY YEARS. 892 00:51:11,369 --> 00:51:13,271 - EVENTUALLY, THEY'RE SPENDING $2 MILLION A YEAR. 893 00:51:13,304 --> 00:51:16,207 PEOPLE KNEW THAT THE RESOURCES WERE GONNA 894 00:51:16,241 --> 00:51:17,875 START DISAPPEARING, AND THEY DID. 895 00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:23,581 - ABOUT 1989 IS WHEN WE WERE DISBANDING THE TASK FORCE. 896 00:51:23,614 --> 00:51:25,416 RESOURCES WERE SHORT. 897 00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:27,352 AND, UH... 898 00:51:27,385 --> 00:51:30,821 PEOPLE WERE BEING REASSIGNED TO DIFFERENT UNITS. 899 00:51:30,855 --> 00:51:32,823 - IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSION, 900 00:51:32,857 --> 00:51:34,759 YOU TRY TO HOLD IT TOGETHER, 901 00:51:34,792 --> 00:51:36,461 AND YOU TRY NOT TO LET THINGS GET TO YOU, 902 00:51:36,494 --> 00:51:38,329 AND IT WAS STARTING TO GET TO ME. 903 00:51:38,363 --> 00:51:40,131 I THINK IT'S MORE OF A CHALLENGE 904 00:51:40,165 --> 00:51:41,332 THAN ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT. 905 00:51:41,366 --> 00:51:43,334 'CAUSE I WANNA OUTLAST THE GUY. 906 00:51:43,368 --> 00:51:47,838 I WANNA BE AROUND TO WATCH HIM GO BEHIND BARS. 907 00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:49,907 AND I'LL STAY HERE UNTIL THEN. 908 00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:52,677 - AND BY 1990, BASICALLY, IT WAS OVER. 909 00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:54,245 AND IT SHOULDN'T'VE BEEN OVER 910 00:51:54,279 --> 00:51:55,813 BECAUSE THEY HADN'T CAUGHT THE KILLER. 911 00:51:55,846 --> 00:52:05,856 AND MORE WOMEN WERE STILL DISAPPEARING. 912 00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:15,166 AND MORE WOMEN WERE STILL DISAPPEARING. 913 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,236 - BY 2000, I WAS THE CHIEF OF DETECTIVES 914 00:52:18,269 --> 00:52:20,205 WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 915 00:52:20,238 --> 00:52:22,440 WE KNEW WHOEVER THE GREEN RIVER KILLER WAS 916 00:52:22,473 --> 00:52:25,276 HADN'T BEEN ARRESTED AND HADN'T BEEN CHARGED. 917 00:52:25,310 --> 00:52:28,246 IT WAS STILL AN OPEN INVESTIGATION. 918 00:52:28,279 --> 00:52:30,915 - WE WERE JUST AN AVERAGE AMERICAN FAMILY. 919 00:52:32,483 --> 00:52:36,187 LIFE WAS PRETTY NORMAL FOR US RIDGWAYS 920 00:52:36,221 --> 00:52:39,324 UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 2001. 921 00:52:40,925 --> 00:52:44,695 [police siren] - HE GOT ARRESTED, AGAIN, 922 00:52:44,729 --> 00:52:46,531 BY A DECOY, FOR PROSTITUTION. 923 00:52:46,564 --> 00:52:50,201 - AFTER GARY CAME HOME FROM JAIL, THEN, 924 00:52:50,235 --> 00:52:55,440 GARY TOLD ME THAT HIS CAR DIED AS HE WAS DRIVING THROUGH 925 00:52:55,473 --> 00:52:59,277 A FOUR-WAY STOP, AND HE GOT PICKED UP. 926 00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:02,313 AND THAT'S WHY THEY GAVE HIM A TICKET. 927 00:53:02,347 --> 00:53:04,615 AND I-I BELIEVED HIM. 928 00:53:06,417 --> 00:53:08,686 WE SPENT THANKSGIVING WITH HIS OLDER BROTHER 929 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,788 AND HIS WIFE AND FAMILY. 930 00:53:10,821 --> 00:53:13,324 - GARY DID NOT MENTION A THING 931 00:53:13,358 --> 00:53:16,661 ABOUT BEING ARRESTED FOR PROSTITUTION. 932 00:53:16,694 --> 00:53:20,531 - HE CAME TO THANKSGIVING, AND HE WAS ACTING WEIRD. 933 00:53:20,565 --> 00:53:22,867 - HE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO ANYONE. 934 00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:25,336 HE SAT ON THE COUCH WITH HIS HANDS FOLDED, 935 00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:27,305 AND THAT WASN'T GARY. 936 00:53:27,338 --> 00:53:28,806 GARY WAS ALWAYS MOVING AROUND. 937 00:53:28,839 --> 00:53:31,242 - I DO REMEMBER ASKING MY PARENTS, SAYING, 938 00:53:31,276 --> 00:53:33,978 "MOM, WHAT'S WRONG WITH GARY?" 939 00:53:34,011 --> 00:53:35,713 - SHE SAID THAT HE-- "MOM, DIDN'T YOU NOTICE 940 00:53:35,746 --> 00:53:38,849 THAT HE WAS QUIET? THAT HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING?" 941 00:53:38,883 --> 00:53:43,421 I DIDN'T SEE ANY BEHAVIOR 942 00:53:43,454 --> 00:53:45,323 THAT IN FACT HE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY 943 00:53:45,356 --> 00:53:47,592 HAVE BEEN JUST ARRESTED. - RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME, 944 00:53:47,625 --> 00:53:49,560 HE WAS SEEN PICKING UP A PROSTITUTE AGAIN, 945 00:53:49,594 --> 00:53:53,531 SO WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE SHERIFF 946 00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:55,400 AND SOME OF THE KEY INVESTIGATORS. 947 00:53:55,433 --> 00:53:58,035 THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT, 948 00:53:58,068 --> 00:54:00,004 HAVE OVERLOOKED. LET'S LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE. 949 00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:03,841 LET'S SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS STILL THERE, WHAT'S USABLE. 950 00:54:03,874 --> 00:54:09,747 SO IN 1980s, IT WAS GOOD POLICE PROCEDURE TO TAKE SALIVA SWABS 951 00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,818 FROM PEOPLE THAT YOU WERE DOING INVESTIGATIONS ON. 952 00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:15,953 DOING THAT WITH GARY RIDGWAY WAS EXCELLENT, 953 00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:19,290 SO WE HAD THIS LITTLE PIECE OF DNA LEFT 954 00:54:19,324 --> 00:54:20,858 THAT WE COULD HAVE TESTED. 955 00:54:20,891 --> 00:54:25,530 WE WERE ABLE TO COMPARE THAT SALIVA SWAB TO THE SEMINAL FLUID 956 00:54:25,563 --> 00:54:28,433 THAT WAS TAKEN FROM ONE OF THE VICTIMS. 957 00:54:28,466 --> 00:54:30,735 I SAID "OKAY, LET'S DO IT." WE DID IT. 958 00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:34,505 AND IT CONNECTED THE DOTS WITH GARY RIDGWAY. 959 00:54:37,342 --> 00:54:40,978 FOUR DAYS AFTER THANKSGIVING, THEN NOVEMBER 30TH, 960 00:54:41,011 --> 00:54:44,782 THAT'S WHEN SOME DETECTIVES KNOCKED ON THE DOOR, 961 00:54:44,815 --> 00:54:49,787 AND THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND TALK TO ME ABOUT GARY RIDGWAY. 962 00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:54,359 THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE PICKING UP GARY AT KENWORTH 963 00:54:54,392 --> 00:54:55,993 AS WE SPEAK. 964 00:54:56,026 --> 00:54:59,730 HELD THE DOOR OPEN WITH THEIR FOOT AND THEN THEY CAME IN, 965 00:54:59,764 --> 00:55:03,701 AND INTERROGATED ME FOR ABOUT TWO HOURS, 966 00:55:03,734 --> 00:55:08,439 AND I WAS JUST IN IMMEDIATE SHOCK, 967 00:55:08,473 --> 00:55:11,809 AND I WAS SAYING "NO, THIS CAN'T BE. 968 00:55:11,842 --> 00:55:15,846 THERE'S ANOTHER GARY RIDGWAY IN BELLEVUE OR SOMEPLACE ELSE." 969 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,717 AND I WAS DEVASTATED AND CONFUSED AND-- 970 00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:22,019 IT'S LIKE A BIG BRICK WALL DROPPED IN FRONT OF ME, 971 00:55:22,052 --> 00:55:25,122 AND... 972 00:55:25,155 --> 00:55:29,059 AND MY WORLD JUST DISAPPEARED. 973 00:55:29,093 --> 00:55:31,396 - TODAY AT APPROXIMATELY 3:00 P.M., 974 00:55:31,429 --> 00:55:34,131 DETECTIVES FROM THE KING COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE 975 00:55:34,164 --> 00:55:36,701 ARRESTED A 52-YEAR-OLD MAN. 976 00:55:36,734 --> 00:55:39,770 - I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A FRIEND THAT SAID, 977 00:55:39,804 --> 00:55:42,640 "WHAT'S GARY'S MIDDLE NAME?" 978 00:55:42,673 --> 00:55:45,843 AND I STATED "WELL, IT'S LEON, I THINK." 979 00:55:45,876 --> 00:55:49,747 SHE SAID "TURN ON THE TV," AND I TURNED ON THE TELEVISION, 980 00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:51,115 AND THERE'S MY BROTHER-IN-LAW, 981 00:55:51,148 --> 00:55:54,619 YOU KNOW, ARRESTED FOR BEING THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 982 00:55:54,652 --> 00:55:59,457 - WE WERE JUST DEVASTATED. NOW WHAT DO WE DO? 983 00:55:59,490 --> 00:56:01,892 HOW DO WE--HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS SITUATION? 984 00:56:01,926 --> 00:56:05,696 AND HOW DO WE COME TO GRIPS WITH, YOU KNOW, 985 00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:08,699 LETTING KRISTEN KNOW? - WHEN WE FIRST FOUND OUT 986 00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:12,403 THAT GARY WAS ARRESTED AS BEING THE GREEN RIVER KILLER, 987 00:56:12,437 --> 00:56:14,171 MY HEART STOPPED. 988 00:56:14,204 --> 00:56:18,409 HE WAS IN THE NEWS, ON ALL THE PAPERS, ON THE TV. 989 00:56:18,443 --> 00:56:20,711 NEWS VANS WERE CIRCLING OUR HOUSE. 990 00:56:20,745 --> 00:56:24,782 IT WAS TERRIFYING AND THREATENING. 991 00:56:24,815 --> 00:56:26,951 - SHE'S LIKE "GARY RIDGWAY HAS BEEN ARRESTED, 992 00:56:26,984 --> 00:56:28,853 AND HE'S THE GREEN RIVER KILLER." 993 00:56:28,886 --> 00:56:31,856 RIGHT AT THAT POINT, I TURNED MY HEAD 994 00:56:31,889 --> 00:56:33,991 AND I SORT OF LOOKED OFF, 995 00:56:34,024 --> 00:56:36,727 AND WHEN I LOOKED, I COULD SEE IN THE BAR 996 00:56:36,761 --> 00:56:42,132 THERE WERE TWO TV SCREENS. AND I--MY HEART JUST SUNK. 997 00:56:42,166 --> 00:56:46,571 I FELT SICK IMMEDIATELY, AND I STARTED CRYING. 998 00:56:46,604 --> 00:56:48,973 - GARY LEON RIDGWAY, NOW IN CUSTODY. 999 00:56:49,006 --> 00:56:52,877 - ON THE DAY THAT THEY ARRESTED HIM, AND-- 1000 00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:55,513 I WAS HOME. 1001 00:56:55,546 --> 00:56:58,483 HIS FACE WAS ON THE TELEVISION SCREEN. 1002 00:56:58,516 --> 00:57:01,118 AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY ARRESTED THE GREEN RIVER KILLER. 1003 00:57:01,151 --> 00:57:03,721 THAT WAS A SHOCK. 1004 00:57:03,754 --> 00:57:06,123 - HIS ARREST WENT FLYING AROUND THE COURTHOUSE, LIKE WILDFIRE. 1005 00:57:06,156 --> 00:57:08,092 AND ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE THE SHERIFF SAID 1006 00:57:08,125 --> 00:57:11,195 "WE FOUND HIM, HE'S THE ONE. HE'S THE GREEN RIVER KILLER." 1007 00:57:11,228 --> 00:57:13,464 IT WASN'T LIKE THE USUAL "ALLEGED SUSPECT" 1008 00:57:13,498 --> 00:57:16,033 OR THAT KIND OF THING. VERY DIRECT. 1009 00:57:16,066 --> 00:57:18,603 - WHEN HE GOT ARRESTED, IT WAS LIKE... 1010 00:57:18,636 --> 00:57:22,239 A DEEP BREATH. FINALLY, FINALLY. 1011 00:57:22,272 --> 00:57:24,241 WHEN I SAW HIM, I JUST LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID 1012 00:57:24,274 --> 00:57:27,011 "YOU LITTLE [bleep]." EXCUSE ME. 1013 00:57:27,044 --> 00:57:28,546 BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. 1014 00:57:31,749 --> 00:57:35,052 - MY FAMILY WAS IN COMPLETE DENIAL THAT THIS IS SOMETHING 1015 00:57:35,085 --> 00:57:36,654 THAT HE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY DONE. 1016 00:57:36,687 --> 00:57:39,256 THEY WERE 100% ON HIS DEFENSE. 1017 00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:41,492 HE HADN'T CONFESSED AT THIS TIME. 1018 00:57:41,526 --> 00:57:46,163 HE WAS STILL SAYING THAT HE DIDN'T DO IT. 1019 00:57:46,196 --> 00:57:47,998 - I DID NOT THINK HE WAS GUILTY. 1020 00:57:48,032 --> 00:57:51,836 I THOUGHT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE QUESTION. 1021 00:57:51,869 --> 00:57:55,239 - I WROTE GARY A LETTER AFTER HE WAS ARRESTED. 1022 00:57:55,272 --> 00:57:59,243 I SAID, UM... 1023 00:57:59,276 --> 00:58:01,912 "WE WILL BELIEVE EITHER UNTIL YOUR DEATH 1024 00:58:01,946 --> 00:58:06,116 OR UNTIL YOUR CONFESSION THAT YOU'RE NOT GUILTY." 1025 00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:10,821 - YOU KNOW, HER LETTER ALSO HELPED CONVINCE ME. 1026 00:58:10,855 --> 00:58:13,891 I HAD TO GET GARY TO CONFESS, OR I HAD TO GET HIM SET FREE. 1027 00:58:13,924 --> 00:58:20,631 I WAS GONNA CONTINUE LOOKING FOR THAT SMOKING GUN UNTIL I DIED. 1028 00:58:20,665 --> 00:58:23,100 - SHE STARTED SAYING, "WELL, IT'S NOT HIM. 1029 00:58:23,133 --> 00:58:25,202 "HE PASSED A POLYGRAPH. 1030 00:58:25,235 --> 00:58:30,074 HE, UM... HE WAS CLEARED, HE WAS CLEARED." 1031 00:58:30,107 --> 00:58:31,842 SHE WAS REALLY DOING EVERYTHING SHE COULD 1032 00:58:31,876 --> 00:58:33,310 TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE. 1033 00:58:33,343 --> 00:58:34,912 - IF SHE KNEW THAT HE WAS GUILTY, 1034 00:58:34,945 --> 00:58:37,281 THERE'S NO WAY SHE WOULD HAVE DEFENDED HIM. 1035 00:58:37,314 --> 00:58:39,650 NO ONE WOULD'VE. WE ALL THOUGHT HE WAS INNOCENT, 1036 00:58:39,684 --> 00:58:41,619 BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS ONCE. 1037 00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:44,021 THE DETECTIVES, THEY ALREADY MESSED UP ONCE. 1038 00:58:44,054 --> 00:58:47,692 AND SO NOW, WHEN IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN, 1039 00:58:47,725 --> 00:58:49,193 YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT'S TRUE. 1040 00:58:49,226 --> 00:58:51,829 - ONE TIME I WOULD GO OVER TO DORENE'S HOUSE, 1041 00:58:51,862 --> 00:58:54,231 AND SHE SAID "DID YOU SEE THIS?" 1042 00:58:54,264 --> 00:58:57,167 SEATTLE WEEKLY, I BELIEVE IT WAS CALLED. 1043 00:58:57,201 --> 00:59:01,706 AND IT WAS A PICTURE OF GARY WITH A GREEN FACE. 1044 00:59:01,739 --> 00:59:04,174 AND WHEN SHE SHOWED THAT TO ME, 1045 00:59:04,208 --> 00:59:07,712 I JUST SCREAMED, 1046 00:59:07,745 --> 00:59:09,847 AND STARTED CRYING. 1047 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,150 MY ARMS WERE FLYING AND HITTING HER. 1048 00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:15,920 A FEW DAYS BEFORE THAT TIME, 1049 00:59:15,953 --> 00:59:19,890 I WAS HAVING A DREAM ABOUT GARY, 1050 00:59:19,924 --> 00:59:23,761 AND HE WAS TRYING TO REACH OUT AND TOUCH ME, 1051 00:59:23,794 --> 00:59:26,897 BUT HE WAS GREEN. HE HAD A GREEN FACE. 1052 00:59:26,931 --> 00:59:32,136 WE JUST HOPED AND PRAYED THAT... 1053 00:59:32,169 --> 00:59:34,171 IT WOULD ALL WORK OUT FOR THE BEST, 1054 00:59:34,204 --> 00:59:36,073 BUT IT DIDN'T. 1055 00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:53,123 - SO HE WAS ORIGINALLY ARRESTED ON FOUR COUNTS OF MURDER, 1056 00:59:53,157 --> 00:59:55,025 AND THEN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER 1057 00:59:55,059 --> 00:59:57,361 GETTING MORE EVIDENCE FROM THE DETECTIVES, 1058 00:59:57,394 --> 01:00:00,030 THEY RELEASED A NEW STATEMENT 1059 01:00:00,064 --> 01:00:03,668 SAYING THAT THERE WERE THREE ADDITIONAL VICTIMS 1060 01:00:03,701 --> 01:00:06,837 THAT THEY COULD LINK TO GARY. 1061 01:00:09,373 --> 01:00:13,410 - WE DID THE DNA, AND IT MATCHED. 1062 01:00:13,443 --> 01:00:18,315 AND IT ALL TIED BACK TO GARY RIDGWAY. 1063 01:00:18,348 --> 01:00:24,121 - WE WERE IN THE KING COUNTY JAIL POSSIBLY EVERY WEEK, 1064 01:00:24,154 --> 01:00:28,225 AFTER HIS ARREST, BELIEVING THAT HE WAS INNOCENT. 1065 01:00:28,258 --> 01:00:31,128 - I DID GO TO VISIT GARY IN JAIL, 1066 01:00:31,161 --> 01:00:34,899 AND HIS SISTER-IN-LAW AND HIS BROTHER, HIS FAMILY, 1067 01:00:34,932 --> 01:00:37,101 KEPT TELLING ME AND CALMING ME DOWN, 1068 01:00:37,134 --> 01:00:42,740 AND SAYING THAT HE COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS. 1069 01:00:42,773 --> 01:00:45,309 - I KNEW THAT THINGS WEREN'T LOOKING GOOD, 1070 01:00:45,342 --> 01:00:50,414 BUT IT STILL BELIEVED THAT HE COULDN'T DO IT. 1071 01:00:50,447 --> 01:00:55,119 - IT'S ALWAYS THE CASE, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT FAMILY MEMBERS, 1072 01:00:55,152 --> 01:00:58,155 FOR YEARS, EVEN AFTER SOMEONE ADMITS SOMETHING, 1073 01:00:58,188 --> 01:01:00,891 STILL ARE IN DENIAL ABOUT A CRIME, 1074 01:01:00,925 --> 01:01:03,894 ESPECIALLY A HORRIFIC CRIME, LIKE THIS. 1075 01:01:03,928 --> 01:01:06,797 - AND THEN, SOME EVIDENCE CAME OUT IN THE PRESS, 1076 01:01:06,831 --> 01:01:08,833 INVOLVING PAINT. 1077 01:01:08,866 --> 01:01:10,467 - THIS SEARCH WARRANT ALSO ALLOWED POLICE TO SEARCH 1078 01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:13,270 A PAINT LOCKER AT THE MAN'S PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. 1079 01:01:13,303 --> 01:01:15,239 - THEY'D FOUND THIS ONE GIRL. 1080 01:01:15,272 --> 01:01:16,841 HER SWEATER SLEEVES WERE 1081 01:01:16,874 --> 01:01:21,278 IMPREGNATED WITH LITTLE BLOBS OF PAINT. 1082 01:01:21,311 --> 01:01:23,213 - WE ALL STARTED LOSING HOPE. 1083 01:01:23,247 --> 01:01:27,217 GREG AND DORENE ENDED UP GOING AND VISITING HIM. 1084 01:01:27,251 --> 01:01:30,154 - ACROSS THE GLASS, I SAID "GARY, I HATE TO TELL YOU THIS, 1085 01:01:30,187 --> 01:01:31,421 THIS LOOKS REALLY BAD." 1086 01:01:31,455 --> 01:01:33,157 - MY DAD SAID "YOU KNOW WHAT, GARY, 1087 01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:36,426 "YOU NEED TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT, AND IF YOU DID THIS, 1088 01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:38,428 I PRAY TO GOD THAT YOU CONFESS." 1089 01:01:38,462 --> 01:01:41,165 IT WAS ACTUALLY THE NEXT DAY THAT GARY ENDED UP CONFESSING 1090 01:01:41,198 --> 01:01:43,500 TO HIS DEFENSE ATTORNEY, MICHELE SHAW. 1091 01:01:43,533 --> 01:01:47,171 - THE DEFENSE TEAM WAS THERE AND THEY TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, 1092 01:01:47,204 --> 01:01:52,777 THAT GARY ADMITTED TO KILLING 70 OR 72 OR 78 OR-- 1093 01:01:52,810 --> 01:01:56,146 SOME RIDICULOUS NUMBER. 1094 01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:58,282 I WAS PRETTY FLOORED. 1095 01:01:58,315 --> 01:02:00,084 - YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST LIKE I WAS SHELL-SHOCKED. 1096 01:02:00,117 --> 01:02:02,920 MY MIND WENT BLANK. 1097 01:02:02,953 --> 01:02:05,489 - WE WERE DEFENDING HIM FOR TWO YEARS, 1098 01:02:05,522 --> 01:02:07,224 AND THEN WHEN HE CONFESSES, 1099 01:02:07,257 --> 01:02:11,896 YOU QUESTION EVERYTHING THAT YOU THINK IS TRUE. 1100 01:02:11,929 --> 01:02:14,899 - MY HEART BROKE FOR MATT, AND I COULDN'T IMAGINE 1101 01:02:14,932 --> 01:02:19,069 WHAT HE WAS GOING THROUGH AND THE CROSS HE HAD TO BEAR 1102 01:02:19,103 --> 01:02:21,071 BECAUSE OF WHAT HIS FATHER DID. 1103 01:02:21,105 --> 01:02:23,040 - I LITERALLY WAS ILL. 1104 01:02:23,073 --> 01:02:26,376 YOU KNOW, I LEANED OVER AND JUST RETCHED. 1105 01:02:30,815 --> 01:02:33,818 I WAS FURIOUS WITH GARY. 1106 01:02:33,851 --> 01:02:38,155 YOU KNOW, "WHY--WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?" 1107 01:02:38,188 --> 01:02:41,926 YOU KNOW, "WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT'S GOING ON? 1108 01:02:41,959 --> 01:02:44,094 HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO JUDITH?" 1109 01:02:49,366 --> 01:02:52,136 - I HAD A FRIEND COME TO MY HOUSE. 1110 01:02:52,169 --> 01:02:56,540 SHE WAS A LAWYER AND SHE HELPED ME WITH MY DIVORCE. 1111 01:02:56,573 --> 01:02:59,376 AFTER FINDING OUT ALL THIS EVIL 1112 01:02:59,409 --> 01:03:04,048 AND BAD THINGS THAT GARY DID, 1113 01:03:04,081 --> 01:03:07,117 BEING A MURDERER, AND... 1114 01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:16,126 HE JUST BROKE MY HEART INTO PIECES. 1115 01:03:20,330 --> 01:03:22,867 - HE ENJOYED KILLING, IS WHAT I THINK, 1116 01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:27,604 AND I DON'T THINK HE WOULD HAVE EVER STOPPED. 1117 01:03:27,637 --> 01:03:29,573 - HE FINALLY MADE THE CONFESSION 1118 01:03:29,606 --> 01:03:33,443 THAT KELI WAS ONE OF THE GIRLS THAT HE HAD KILLED. 1119 01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:38,348 I KNEW THAT I NEEDED TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT SHE WAS GONE, 1120 01:03:38,382 --> 01:03:41,451 AND I WOULD NEVER SEE HER AGAIN. 1121 01:03:41,485 --> 01:03:47,391 - WHEN RIDGWAY CONFESSED TO 50 OR MORE MURDERS, 1122 01:03:47,424 --> 01:03:51,128 HE MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL. 1123 01:03:51,161 --> 01:03:52,296 - TO BE ABLE TO SAVE HIS LIFE, 1124 01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:57,634 HE AGREED TO TELL THEM 1125 01:03:57,667 --> 01:04:01,138 WHERE THE OTHER 12 GIRLS WERE, WHERE HE HAD LEFT THEM 1126 01:04:01,171 --> 01:04:04,441 OR HID THEM OR BURIED THEM. 1127 01:04:04,474 --> 01:04:07,577 - I WAS HAPPY WITH GARY GETTING A PLEA BARGAIN. 1128 01:04:07,611 --> 01:04:10,280 I WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THE OTHER VICTIMS WERE, 1129 01:04:10,314 --> 01:04:12,182 AND SO IF THAT WAS A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, 1130 01:04:12,216 --> 01:04:13,650 I WAS OKAY WITH THAT. 1131 01:04:13,683 --> 01:04:18,923 BECAUSE HE'D BE IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. 1132 01:04:18,956 --> 01:04:21,625 - WHEN GARY RIDGWAY WAS SENTENCED, 1133 01:04:21,658 --> 01:04:24,194 OF COURSE IT WAS A HUGE DAY IN SEATTLE. 1134 01:04:24,228 --> 01:04:29,299 - THEY OPENED THE DOOR, AND OUT WALKED THE MONSTER. 1135 01:04:29,333 --> 01:04:32,436 THEY MADE HIM TURN AROUND AND LOOK AND FACE US 1136 01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:35,906 IN THE COURTROOM, ALL OF THE FAMILIES. 1137 01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:41,245 AND...AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO APOLOGIZE TO US. 1138 01:04:41,278 --> 01:04:45,649 - I'M SORRY FOR CAUSING SO MUCH PAIN TO SO MANY FAMILIES. 1139 01:04:45,682 --> 01:04:48,452 - HE HAD NO COMPASSION. 1140 01:04:48,485 --> 01:04:51,655 NO REMORSE. 1141 01:04:51,688 --> 01:04:56,693 HE WAS AN JUST AN EMPTY, EMPTY, EMPTY PERSON. 1142 01:04:56,726 --> 01:04:58,929 I WAS SICK. 1143 01:04:58,963 --> 01:05:02,132 - GARY WON. HE WON WITH A CONFESSION. 1144 01:05:02,166 --> 01:05:06,336 HE BEAT THE COPS, HE BEAT THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM. 1145 01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:08,472 BOTTOM LINE. 1146 01:05:08,505 --> 01:05:11,175 - MR. RIDGWAY, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU AT THIS TIME, 1147 01:05:11,208 --> 01:05:13,343 HOW DO YOU PLEAD TO THE CHARGE OF AGGRAVATED MURDER 1148 01:05:13,377 --> 01:05:16,680 IN THE FIRST DEGREE AS CHARGED IN COUNT ONE 1149 01:05:16,713 --> 01:05:20,184 FOR THE DEATH OF WENDY LEE COFFIELD? 1150 01:05:20,217 --> 01:05:22,186 - GUILTY. 1151 01:05:22,219 --> 01:05:24,588 - THEY WERE READING OFF THE NAMES OF ALL OF THE WOMEN. 1152 01:05:24,621 --> 01:05:28,425 - AS CHARGED IN COUNT TWO, FOR THE DEATH OF DEBRA BONNER. 1153 01:05:28,458 --> 01:05:30,394 - GUILTY. 1154 01:05:30,427 --> 01:05:33,430 - AND HE WOULD SAY "GUILTY. 1155 01:05:33,463 --> 01:05:36,666 "GUILTY. 1156 01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:39,369 GUILTY." 1157 01:05:42,106 --> 01:05:45,275 I SAT THERE, UNTIL HE SAID ALL OF THEM, 1158 01:05:45,309 --> 01:05:50,414 AND, OH, I WAS JUST... 1159 01:05:50,447 --> 01:05:53,483 TOTALLY DEVASTATED. 1160 01:05:53,517 --> 01:05:58,288 THIS IS REAL. 1161 01:05:58,322 --> 01:06:03,560 HOW COULD YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 1162 01:06:03,593 --> 01:06:06,696 IT'S JUST INSANE. 1163 01:06:10,267 --> 01:06:16,240 - SOME OF THE FAMILY GOT UP AND HAD SOME PERSONAL WORDS TO HIM. 1164 01:06:16,273 --> 01:06:17,674 - JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAN 1165 01:06:17,707 --> 01:06:21,211 THAT HAS HAD SUCH AN IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE, 1166 01:06:21,245 --> 01:06:24,714 THAT HAS TAKEN SO MUCH FROM YOU, 1167 01:06:24,748 --> 01:06:27,484 NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HIS FACE IS THERE 1168 01:06:27,517 --> 01:06:30,187 AND HE'S A REAL PERSON. 1169 01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:33,123 - DEBRA LORRAINE ESTES TURNED 15 1170 01:06:33,157 --> 01:06:35,359 JUST DAYS BEFORE SHE DISAPPEARED. 1171 01:06:35,392 --> 01:06:37,661 I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE LOOK OF FEAR IN YOUR EYES 1172 01:06:37,694 --> 01:06:39,663 WHEN YOU REALIZED YOU WERE FINALLY CAUGHT, 1173 01:06:39,696 --> 01:06:42,366 AND NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO JUST WALK AWAY, 1174 01:06:42,399 --> 01:06:44,634 LIKE SO MANY TIMES BEFORE. 1175 01:06:44,668 --> 01:06:46,403 SHAME ON YOU, GARY RIDGWAY. 1176 01:06:46,436 --> 01:06:48,172 YOU'RE CAUGHT. 1177 01:06:48,205 --> 01:06:51,475 - YOU ARE A LOSER, YOU'RE A COWARD, YOU ARE NOBODY. 1178 01:06:51,508 --> 01:06:54,278 YOU'RE AN ANIMAL. I'M ANGRY, I'LL ALWAYS BE ANGRY. 1179 01:06:54,311 --> 01:06:55,579 I WILL NEVER HAVE THAT CLOSURE. 1180 01:06:55,612 --> 01:06:59,216 I WILL NEVER HAVE MY SISTER BACK IN MY LIFE. 1181 01:06:59,249 --> 01:07:03,620 I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL. SON OF A BITCH. 1182 01:07:03,653 --> 01:07:08,192 - THERE'S NOTHING THAT ANYBODY CAN SAY OR EVER DO FOR ME 1183 01:07:08,225 --> 01:07:09,693 THAT WILL BRING MY MOTHER BACK. 1184 01:07:09,726 --> 01:07:11,295 YOU HAVE USELESS EXCUSES FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, 1185 01:07:11,328 --> 01:07:14,498 AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, 1186 01:07:14,531 --> 01:07:18,602 I WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER, FORGIVE YOU. 1187 01:07:18,635 --> 01:07:23,107 - SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU, GARY RIDGWAY. 1188 01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:26,042 HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO OUR DAUGHTERS? 1189 01:07:31,315 --> 01:07:33,617 - WE'VE SEEN GARY AS A HUMAN. 1190 01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:36,620 WE'VE SEEN HIM AS THAT SIDE OF A GOOD GUY. 1191 01:07:36,653 --> 01:07:40,157 BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS ONLY SEEN HIM AS A MONSTER. 1192 01:07:44,294 --> 01:07:46,596 - WHY'D YOU HATE THEM SO MUCH? - WHY'D I HATE THEM? 1193 01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:48,465 BECAUSE I-- WOMEN HAD CONTROL OVER ME 1194 01:07:48,498 --> 01:07:50,234 AND I DON'T LIKE BEING CONTROLLED. 1195 01:07:50,267 --> 01:07:51,668 I WAS JUST A WIMP, AND THEN WHEN I WAS-- 1196 01:07:51,701 --> 01:07:55,372 I HAD CONTROL WHEN I WAS-- WHEN I KILLED THE WOMEN. 1197 01:07:55,405 --> 01:07:57,141 THERE'S SOME SCRATCH MARKS HERE. 1198 01:07:57,174 --> 01:07:59,376 THESE ARE FROM MALVAR. 1199 01:07:59,409 --> 01:08:01,711 I KILLED HER. SHE SCRATCHED ME. 1200 01:08:01,745 --> 01:08:03,147 WHEN I WAS KILLING HER, SHE FOUGHT. 1201 01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:05,682 SHE SCRATCHED ME HERE. 1202 01:08:05,715 --> 01:08:07,284 I WANTED TO KILL THOSE WOMEN. 1203 01:08:07,317 --> 01:08:10,720 I AM THE ONE THAT GOT THE SCRATCH MARKS. 1204 01:08:10,754 --> 01:08:14,658 I HAD SCRATCH MARKS ON MY BACK, A COUPLE TIMES. 1205 01:08:14,691 --> 01:08:16,726 - TELL US ABOUT GISELE LOVVORN. 1206 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,297 - TOOK HER THERE WITH MATTHEW IN THE CAR. 1207 01:08:20,330 --> 01:08:24,668 WE WALKED INTO A SPACE WHERE WE COULDN'T SEE THE TRUCK, 1208 01:08:24,701 --> 01:08:28,438 AND I TOOK HER AND I CHOKED HER. 1209 01:08:28,472 --> 01:08:31,175 I TIED THE-- 1210 01:08:31,208 --> 01:08:34,211 - I TOLD MATTHEW-- HE ASKED ME WHERE SHE WENT, 1211 01:08:34,244 --> 01:08:36,446 I TOLD HIM SHE WAS WALKING HOME. 1212 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,648 - KNOWING THAT MATTHEW WAS PRESENT WHEN HE WAS 1213 01:08:38,682 --> 01:08:41,618 COMMITTING SOME OF HIS CRIMES ENRAGES ME. 1214 01:08:41,651 --> 01:08:44,754 HE'S JUST... 1215 01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:48,458 DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR, SO MANY LIVES. 1216 01:08:48,492 --> 01:08:50,627 SO MANY LIVES. 1217 01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:53,263 - I CAN REMEMBER YOU EVEN TELLING DR. WEAVER THAT 1218 01:08:53,297 --> 01:08:56,333 HAD THINGS GONE JUST A LITTLE SIDEWAYS, 1219 01:08:56,366 --> 01:08:57,767 YOU COULD HAVE EVEN KILLED MATTHEW. 1220 01:08:57,801 --> 01:08:59,403 YOU SAID THAT TO DR. WEAVER AT ONE POINT IN TIME. 1221 01:08:59,436 --> 01:09:02,172 - YEAH, I PROBABLY COULD'VE, YOU KNOW? 1222 01:09:03,773 --> 01:09:06,943 - [gasps] IT'S DEVASTATING. 1223 01:09:06,976 --> 01:09:10,680 AND I REALIZE-- I DO REALIZE HE'S A KILLER. 1224 01:09:10,714 --> 01:09:14,218 BUT WHAT CAN I DO? PLEASE. 1225 01:09:14,251 --> 01:09:17,321 GOD, TELL ME, WHAT CAN I DO? 1226 01:09:17,354 --> 01:09:20,390 WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE? 1227 01:09:20,424 --> 01:09:22,959 SO THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN? 1228 01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:26,630 - I DIDN'T EXPECT... 1229 01:09:26,663 --> 01:09:31,235 IT TO BE SO DISPASSIONATE AND SO MATTER-OF-FACT. 1230 01:09:31,268 --> 01:09:33,370 - THIS IS A PART OF OUR FAMILY. WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION 1231 01:09:33,403 --> 01:09:35,705 WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW? 1232 01:09:35,739 --> 01:09:37,407 - YEAH. - SO NOW THAT WE'RE HERE, 1233 01:09:37,441 --> 01:09:40,210 WHAT IS THE COURSE OF ACTION THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL? 1234 01:09:40,244 --> 01:09:42,646 LIKE, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FEELINGS FOR THAT, OR-- 1235 01:09:42,679 --> 01:09:46,716 - I MEAN, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS...UM... 1236 01:09:49,686 --> 01:09:51,655 IS SAYING SORRY. - YEAH. 1237 01:09:51,688 --> 01:09:54,824 - I THINK I STRUGGLE WITH THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY PLACE 1238 01:09:54,858 --> 01:09:56,593 TO SAY SORRY, IT'S NOT MY ACTIONS, 1239 01:09:56,626 --> 01:10:00,297 IT'S NOT SOMETHING I DID. - RIGHT, BUT WE ALL FEEL-- 1240 01:10:00,330 --> 01:10:04,668 BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT--IF THERE WAS SOME WAY I COULD 1241 01:10:04,701 --> 01:10:05,969 COMMUNICATE TO THE WORLD-- 1242 01:10:06,002 --> 01:10:08,338 - YES, YES, YES. - YOU KNOW, TO THE FAMILIES, 1243 01:10:08,372 --> 01:10:10,674 TO THE GIRLS THAT WENT THROUGH THIS. 1244 01:10:10,707 --> 01:10:13,310 YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS ONE THING THAT I COULD COMMUNICATE, 1245 01:10:13,343 --> 01:10:15,545 IT WOULD BE THAT I'M SO, SO SORRY. 1246 01:10:15,579 --> 01:10:19,283 - DITTO, DITTO. ME AS WELL. - YEAH. OH GOD, YES. 1247 01:10:19,316 --> 01:10:20,850 EXACTLY. 1248 01:10:37,667 --> 01:10:39,002 - GARY IS SERVING A LIFE SENTENCE 1249 01:10:39,035 --> 01:10:42,272 AT WALLA WALLA STATE PENITENTIARY. 1250 01:10:42,306 --> 01:10:44,774 WE REQUESTED A FACE-TO-FACE MEETING WITH HIM, 1251 01:10:44,808 --> 01:10:47,777 BUT WERE DENIED ACCESS BY THE PRISON. 1252 01:10:55,452 --> 01:10:56,653 [phone ringing] 1253 01:10:56,686 --> 01:10:59,289 - YOU HAVE A PREPAID CALL FROM 1254 01:10:59,323 --> 01:11:03,293 AN INMATE AT WASHINGTON STATE PENITENTIARY. 1255 01:11:03,327 --> 01:11:12,802 - HELLO? 1256 01:11:12,836 --> 01:11:15,539 - RIGHT NOW WE ARE WAITING TO SEE IF GARY'S GOING TO BE ABLE 1257 01:11:15,572 --> 01:11:17,974 TO CALL US SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED 1258 01:11:18,007 --> 01:11:21,911 VIA PHONE, SINCE RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, 1259 01:11:21,945 --> 01:11:26,683 THE PRISON'S NOT ALLOWING US TO GO AND VISIT HIM IN PERSON. 1260 01:11:26,716 --> 01:11:27,817 [phone ringing] 1261 01:11:27,851 --> 01:11:29,419 - YOU HAVE A CALL 1262 01:11:29,453 --> 01:11:31,855 FROM WASHINGTON STATE PENITENTIARY. 1263 01:11:31,888 --> 01:11:34,758 - HELLO? 1264 01:11:34,791 --> 01:11:36,560 - I'LL JUST GET GOING RIGHT AWAY, 1265 01:11:36,593 --> 01:11:38,928 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THAT MUCH TIME. 1266 01:11:38,962 --> 01:11:40,864 SO WE JUST WANT TO, HOPEFULLY, 1267 01:11:40,897 --> 01:11:43,467 GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. 1268 01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:46,470 SO WHAT ALLOWED YOU TO MURDER THE YOUNG GIRLS? 1269 01:11:46,503 --> 01:11:48,805 I MEAN, HOW DID YOUR CONSCIENCE ALLOW YOU TO GET TO THE POINT 1270 01:11:48,838 --> 01:11:52,842 WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS, YOU KNOW? 1271 01:11:52,876 --> 01:11:55,379 - WELL, THE ACTUAL THING IS 1272 01:11:55,412 --> 01:11:58,515 IF I COULD GET AWAY WITH IT, BASICALLY. 1273 01:11:58,548 --> 01:12:01,485 YOU GOTTA--YOU KNOW, THE THING IS IF I CAN-- 1274 01:12:01,518 --> 01:12:03,687 I CAN PICK THEM UP WITHOUT ANYBODY WATCHING THEM, 1275 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,590 IF I CAN--IF I CAN GET THEM IN MY CAR, AND IF I CAN TAKE THEM 1276 01:12:06,623 --> 01:12:08,825 TO SOME LOCATION TO KILL THEM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'S-- 1277 01:12:08,858 --> 01:12:12,762 IF I'VE GOT ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, BASICALLY. 1278 01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,969 - MATTHEW-- HE COULDN'T BE HERE. 1279 01:12:20,003 --> 01:12:22,506 WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW YOU DECEIVED HIM 1280 01:12:22,539 --> 01:12:25,041 AND HOW YOU USED HIM, IT REALLY HURT HIM. 1281 01:12:25,074 --> 01:12:28,044 HE DID HAVE A LETTER THAT HE WANTED ME TO READ ON HIS BEHALF. 1282 01:12:28,077 --> 01:12:31,748 HE SAYS, "IF YOU EVER LOVED, CARED, 1283 01:12:31,781 --> 01:12:36,420 "OR HAD ANY FEELINGS FOR ME, YOU WOULD MAKE THINGS RIGHT 1284 01:12:36,453 --> 01:12:38,788 "WITH THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE HURT. 1285 01:12:38,822 --> 01:12:42,759 "THE PEOPLE YOU HURT ARE THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE VICTIMS. 1286 01:12:42,792 --> 01:12:48,732 "FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, GIVE US ALL FREEDOM FROM YOU. 1287 01:12:48,765 --> 01:12:51,768 "GIVE US ONE ACT OF KINDNESS. 1288 01:12:51,801 --> 01:12:54,003 "PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH. 1289 01:12:54,037 --> 01:12:57,941 "GIVE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HURT A RELEASE OF THE TERROR 1290 01:12:57,974 --> 01:12:59,743 "YOU HAVE CAUSED THEM. 1291 01:12:59,776 --> 01:13:01,511 "GIVE THEM FREEDOM OVER YOU 1292 01:13:01,545 --> 01:13:04,080 "AS THE LAST ACT THAT YOU CAN GIVE TO ME, 1293 01:13:04,113 --> 01:13:05,882 "THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I MADE A DIFFERENCE 1294 01:13:05,915 --> 01:13:10,687 FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE." 1295 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,990 - IS THAT IT? - YEAH, THAT'S IT. 1296 01:13:18,595 --> 01:13:21,831 SO THEY'RE STILL MISSING A LOT OF BODIES. 1297 01:13:21,865 --> 01:13:23,867 - THEY'RE STILL MISSING 30-- 1298 01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:26,002 WELL, I LOSE TRACK. 1299 01:13:26,035 --> 01:13:29,573 THERE WAS 49, AND I HAD, 1300 01:13:29,606 --> 01:13:30,940 UH... 1301 01:13:30,974 --> 01:13:33,843 83--80, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE... 1302 01:13:33,877 --> 01:13:37,514 YOU HAVE WHAT, 31? 1303 01:13:39,516 --> 01:13:40,984 - I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THE VICTIMS 1304 01:13:41,017 --> 01:13:44,554 WHO'S NOT BEEN FOUND YET. HER NAME-- 1305 01:13:44,588 --> 01:13:45,822 - UH-HUH. 1306 01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:48,658 - HER NAME IS KELI MCGINNESS. DO YOU HAVE-- 1307 01:13:48,692 --> 01:13:49,893 - YES, MM-HMM. 1308 01:13:49,926 --> 01:13:53,597 - DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION-- 1309 01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:55,865 DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO GIVE ABOUT HER? 1310 01:13:55,899 --> 01:13:59,035 IF YOU COULD CALL BACK AFTER THIS--[bleep]. 1311 01:13:59,068 --> 01:14:00,904 [beep] - [sighs] 1312 01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:01,871 - HE'S GONNA CALL BACK. 1313 01:14:06,543 --> 01:14:09,746 - OKAY, THE QUESTION'S BACK ON KELI MCGINNESS. 1314 01:14:09,779 --> 01:14:12,882 YOU SAID SHE WAS AT JONES ROAD, AND THERE'S A CREEK. 1315 01:14:12,916 --> 01:14:15,685 - FIND THE HILL, YEAH, UM... 1316 01:14:15,719 --> 01:14:18,722 - YEAH, YOU THREW--YOU SAID YOU THREW HER OVER THE RAVINE 1317 01:14:18,755 --> 01:14:21,591 INTO A CREEK. - YES. 1318 01:14:21,625 --> 01:14:22,992 - DO YOU THINK THAT I COULD MAYBE FIND HER 1319 01:14:23,026 --> 01:14:24,594 IF I WERE TO GO OUT THERE? 1320 01:14:24,628 --> 01:14:26,262 - IF YOU HAVE A CADAVER DOG, YOU KNOW. 1321 01:14:26,295 --> 01:14:30,199 - WE HAVE A CADAVER DOG, SO WE'RE GONNA GO OUT. 1322 01:14:30,233 --> 01:14:32,101 WE'RE GONNA TRY AND FIND SOMETHING, 1323 01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:33,970 BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT, 1324 01:14:34,003 --> 01:14:39,008 SINCE THESE WOMEN HAVEN'T BEEN FOUND, WE--WE'RE HOPING 1325 01:14:39,042 --> 01:14:42,011 THAT IF WE FIND SOMETHING, THAT THEY WILL BE FREED. 1326 01:14:42,045 --> 01:14:44,147 - UH-HUH. 1327 01:14:45,114 --> 01:14:47,150 [beep] 1328 01:14:49,786 --> 01:14:52,856 - I WAS HOPING FOR A LITTLE MORE REMORSE FROM GARY. 1329 01:14:52,889 --> 01:14:55,525 I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HEARD MORE. 1330 01:14:55,559 --> 01:14:57,627 - HOW ELSE COULD SOMEONE KILL ALL THOSE WOMEN? 1331 01:14:57,661 --> 01:14:59,529 YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE REMORSE. 1332 01:14:59,563 --> 01:15:01,865 - I'VE SAID ALL ALONG, IT'S NOT ABOUT GARY, 1333 01:15:01,898 --> 01:15:04,668 IT'S ABOUT THESE GIRLS, AND, UM, 1334 01:15:04,701 --> 01:15:06,770 I DON'T THINK GARY'S GONNA GIVE US ANY MORE FOR THE GIRLS, 1335 01:15:06,803 --> 01:15:10,607 SO TO ME, IT'S NOT WORTH TALKING TO GARY ANYMORE. 1336 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,644 - IT DOES BOTHER ME THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T SHOW MUCH REMORSE, 1337 01:15:14,678 --> 01:15:18,715 AND IT SADDENED ME SO TERRIBLY, 1338 01:15:18,748 --> 01:15:21,718 YOU KNOW, THAT HE-- HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN HIM. 1339 01:15:21,751 --> 01:15:25,822 YOU KNOW, DID HE EVER HAVE THAT IN HIM? 1340 01:15:25,855 --> 01:15:29,593 I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T--I--MM-MM. 1341 01:15:29,626 --> 01:15:32,328 I THINK GARY DOES DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY. 1342 01:15:32,361 --> 01:15:38,001 - IF ANYONE DESERVES TO DIE FOR WHAT THEY DID, 1343 01:15:38,034 --> 01:15:42,806 GARY RIDGWAY DOES. 1344 01:15:42,839 --> 01:15:45,008 - ALL RIGHT, REXY, GO SEARCH. 1345 01:15:50,113 --> 01:15:53,049 - IF YOU JUST KEEP GOING UP THIS HILL, 1346 01:15:53,082 --> 01:15:56,853 THAT'S WHERE THE RAVINE IS. 1347 01:15:56,886 --> 01:15:59,222 - GARY RIDGWAY ONLY HAD A "DEAL" IN KING COUNTY. 1348 01:15:59,255 --> 01:16:02,726 SO--AND WITH MISSING WOMEN STILL, IF A BODY'S FOUND-- 1349 01:16:02,759 --> 01:16:04,994 LIKE KELI MCGINNESS-- IT'S BEEN SPECULATED, MIGHT BE 1350 01:16:05,028 --> 01:16:08,131 IN PIERCE COUNTY RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LINE. 1351 01:16:08,164 --> 01:16:11,801 IT STARTS ALL OVER, AND HE COULD FACE THE DEATH PENALTY. 1352 01:16:11,835 --> 01:16:17,741 - LET'S JUST CHECK HERE IN CASE HE COMES UP WITH ANYTHING. 1353 01:16:17,774 --> 01:16:22,078 - KELI HAS NOW BEEN MISSING FOR 31 YEARS. 1354 01:16:22,111 --> 01:16:27,651 I UNDERSTAND THAT GARY RIDGWAY'S NIECES HAVE A PASSION 1355 01:16:27,684 --> 01:16:30,987 TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AND HAVE HAD SOME KIND 1356 01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:32,656 OF CONNECTION WITH KELI. 1357 01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:34,691 I'M SO EVER GRATEFUL THAT THOSE GIRLS 1358 01:16:34,724 --> 01:16:36,826 STILL HOLD HER IN THEIR HEARTS 1359 01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:40,897 AND ON THEIR MINDS AND WOULD WANT TO MAKE THAT EFFORT. 1360 01:16:49,706 --> 01:16:51,174 - IT'S FRUSTRATING TO KEEP LOOKING FOR HER 1361 01:16:51,207 --> 01:16:52,942 AND NOT FIND HER. 1362 01:16:52,976 --> 01:16:57,046 BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING JOURNEY, 1363 01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:01,217 AND IT'S NOT GOING TO END, I DON'T THINK, EVER. 1364 01:17:05,054 --> 01:17:08,257 - I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MORE TIME ON GARY RIDGWAY. 1365 01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:12,161 HE ISN'T WORTH HAVING IN MY LIFE OR IN MY THOUGHTS. 1366 01:17:12,195 --> 01:17:15,665 HE KILLED MY DAUGHTER, BUT HE DIDN'T KILL MY SPIRIT, 1367 01:17:15,699 --> 01:17:19,068 AND HE DIDN'T KILL MY LOVE FOR HER AND MY RESPECT 1368 01:17:19,102 --> 01:17:21,204 FOR WHO SHE WAS GOING TO BECOME. 1369 01:17:21,237 --> 01:17:25,842 THERE'S A BRICK IN A SEA WALL IN SITKA, ALASKA, 1370 01:17:25,875 --> 01:17:28,978 THAT SAYS "KELI." 1371 01:17:29,012 --> 01:17:33,817 AND SHE LIVES ON THAT BRICK, AND SHE LIVES IN MY HEART, 1372 01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:37,821 AND SHE LIVES IN THE HEARTS OF EVERYONE ELSE WHO KNEW HER 1373 01:17:37,854 --> 01:17:39,823 AND LOVED HER. 1374 01:17:39,856 --> 01:17:43,793 - TOMORROW MORNING I'M SUPPOSED TO GO AND SEE JENNY GRAHAM, 1375 01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:46,996 WHO'S THE SISTER OF DEBBIE ESTES, 1376 01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:50,867 WHO IS ONE OF GARY'S VICTIMS. 1377 01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:55,939 IT REALLY--THE IDEA OF SEEING IF WE COULD REACH OUT A HAND 1378 01:17:55,972 --> 01:17:59,075 AND SAY "I'M SORRY"... - YEAH. 1379 01:17:59,108 --> 01:18:00,209 - TO SOMEONE-- - YEAH. 1380 01:18:00,243 --> 01:18:03,179 - IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, WORTH A SHOT. 1381 01:18:03,212 --> 01:18:08,217 I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WOULD MAYBE COME WITH ME TO SEE HER. 1382 01:18:08,251 --> 01:18:10,854 - I WOULD LOVE TO. I MEAN... 1383 01:18:10,887 --> 01:18:13,056 IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO. 1384 01:18:13,089 --> 01:18:15,058 - I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD SAY THAT. 1385 01:18:22,999 --> 01:18:26,836 - I'M NERVOUS. 1386 01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:28,504 - I'M TERRIFIED 1387 01:18:28,537 --> 01:18:31,507 'CAUSE I WONDER, LIKE, 1388 01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:33,943 DOES IT EVER END, YOU KNOW, 1389 01:18:33,977 --> 01:18:35,879 THE PAIN THAT SHE GOES THROUGH? 1390 01:18:35,912 --> 01:18:37,080 - YEAH. 1391 01:18:37,113 --> 01:18:39,215 - OH. 1392 01:18:39,248 --> 01:18:42,351 - [crying] HI. CAN I HUG YOU? 1393 01:18:43,987 --> 01:18:45,989 - I'M JEN, TOO. 1394 01:18:46,022 --> 01:18:49,492 - THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 1395 01:18:49,525 --> 01:18:52,228 - HI. 1396 01:18:52,261 --> 01:18:57,100 YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL. - NICE TO MEET YOU. 1397 01:18:57,133 --> 01:18:59,002 - WILL YOU SIT WITH US? - SURE. 1398 01:18:59,035 --> 01:19:00,970 - OKAY. 1399 01:19:01,004 --> 01:19:01,971 - HOW ABOUT IF WE DO THIS? 1400 01:19:02,005 --> 01:19:05,308 - THERE WE ARE. 1401 01:19:05,341 --> 01:19:08,411 - DIDN'T QUITE KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS GONNA GO 1402 01:19:08,444 --> 01:19:12,882 AND WHAT TO EXPECT AND LITTLE SCARY AND... 1403 01:19:12,916 --> 01:19:16,252 PART OF WHY I'M HERE IS BECAUSE, TO A CERTAIN POINT, 1404 01:19:16,285 --> 01:19:19,522 GARY'S STILL, YOU KNOW, IN MY DREAMS. 1405 01:19:19,555 --> 01:19:23,526 FORGIVENESS IS HARD JUST FOR THE SAKE OF FORGIVING. 1406 01:19:23,559 --> 01:19:25,194 JUST BECAUSE GOD SAYS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FORGIVE 1407 01:19:25,228 --> 01:19:27,997 OR OTHER PEOPLE THINK YOU'RE A BAD PERSON IF YOU DON'T, 1408 01:19:28,031 --> 01:19:29,799 BUT THEY'RE NOT WALKING IN MY SHOES. 1409 01:19:29,833 --> 01:19:32,135 - RIGHT. - THEY DON'T FEEL MY LOSS. 1410 01:19:32,168 --> 01:19:33,569 THEY DON'T FEEL MY PAIN. 1411 01:19:33,602 --> 01:19:38,541 THAT WILL ALWAYS BE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THE ANGER. 1412 01:19:38,574 --> 01:19:40,109 - I THINK THE EASIEST THING TO DO 1413 01:19:40,143 --> 01:19:43,012 IS TO JUST GET ANGRY ABOUT IT, RIGHT? I MEAN-- 1414 01:19:43,046 --> 01:19:46,582 - I DON'T BLAME--I DON'T BLAME YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW? 1415 01:19:46,615 --> 01:19:48,818 I MEAN, IT'S-- YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ME. 1416 01:19:48,852 --> 01:19:50,219 I COULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. 1417 01:19:50,253 --> 01:19:54,958 I WAS A KID MYSELF WHEN MY SISTER DIED. 1418 01:19:54,991 --> 01:19:57,460 YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED, 1419 01:19:57,493 --> 01:20:01,030 BUT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED, 1420 01:20:01,064 --> 01:20:02,565 BE HONEST ABOUT IT, 1421 01:20:02,598 --> 01:20:05,601 BE WILLING, YOU KNOW, TO CALL IT WHAT IT WAS, 1422 01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:08,237 AND SAY, "OKAY, WELL, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?" 1423 01:20:15,278 --> 01:20:19,182 RIGHT OVER THE FENCE HERE IS WHERE THE BALL FIELD WAS, 1424 01:20:19,215 --> 01:20:22,919 AND WHERE DEBBIE WAS, 1425 01:20:22,952 --> 01:20:27,256 UM, IT WAS RIGHT BACK IN THIS AREA, 1426 01:20:27,290 --> 01:20:28,992 RIGHT BACK HERE. 1427 01:20:29,025 --> 01:20:32,161 THE LANDMARKS HELP TO TELL, YOU KNOW, WHERE SHE WAS. 1428 01:20:34,330 --> 01:20:37,266 LOOKING UP, YOU KNOW, REALIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, 1429 01:20:37,300 --> 01:20:41,104 THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST THING THAT SHE SAW. 1430 01:20:45,274 --> 01:20:48,878 [sighs] 1431 01:20:48,912 --> 01:20:52,581 - I'M SO SORRY FOR WHAT YOU'VE LOST. 1432 01:20:52,615 --> 01:20:58,121 I FEEL SO BAD, AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO APOLOGIZE. 1433 01:20:58,154 --> 01:21:03,626 AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT I CAN SAY, EXCEPT FOR I'M SORRY. 1434 01:21:03,659 --> 01:21:05,528 - I KNOW, I KNOW. 1435 01:21:09,598 --> 01:21:13,036 THANK YOU FOR THAT. I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S SINCERE. 1436 01:21:13,069 --> 01:21:15,939 I DO, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS SINCERE, 1437 01:21:15,972 --> 01:21:16,973 AND I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. 1438 01:21:17,006 --> 01:21:18,407 YOU DIDN'T DO IT. 1439 01:21:24,013 --> 01:21:26,182 - IT'S OKAY. 1440 01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:29,618 OH, MY GOD. 1441 01:21:29,652 --> 01:21:31,520 OH... 1442 01:21:34,223 --> 01:21:37,293 - I WILL ALWAYS MISS HER. 1443 01:21:37,326 --> 01:21:41,965 THERE IS NEVER A DAY, EVER, THAT HAPPENS THAT-- 1444 01:21:41,998 --> 01:21:44,433 YOU KNOW, THAT I DON'T MISS MY SISTER. 1445 01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:46,669 IT'S HARD. IT IS REALLY, REALLY HARD.