1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,640 A NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Eleventh of January 2014, from "sonofabitch." 5 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,600 That's the guy's name. 6 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,400 "I always order my crystal here too. 7 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:48,840 Then I shoot it up. 8 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,000 And when the first flashback comes, 9 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,600 I cook myself some crack out of the coke 10 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,960 and smoke a nice pipe!" 11 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,680 "A +++ stuff. 12 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,040 Guys, two of my teeth fell out straight away. 13 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,440 This stuff really fucks you up. Definitely recommended, you morons." 14 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,480 Seems like he was satisfied. 15 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,320 1 TONNE OF DRUGS IN A TEENAGE BEDROOM 16 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,520 [tense music playing] 17 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,680 [Dr. Hieronymus] I have never before come across a perpetrator like Mr. Schmidt. 18 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,120 [Petric Kleine] Maximilian went down in history 19 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,520 as the "children's bedroom dealer." 20 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,400 This is because he ran his online business out of his childhood bedroom. 21 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,600 I haven't been in this room in a long time. 22 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,840 It seems so small, but I guess the dimensions are right. 23 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,639 But what does small mean? I guess it's bigger than a prison cell. 24 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,560 The amount of drugs and the amount of money 25 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:20,880 was astounding. 26 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,000 And then for him to be such a young lad! 27 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,040 I can't tell you at the moment how much money he has. 28 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,920 Safety. Safety first. 29 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Is he still proud of what he accomplished? 30 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,960 I think that goes without saying. 31 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:43,640 This is where… 32 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,520 Yeah, what can I say? This is where I began to develop. 33 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,240 Let's put it that way. 34 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,200 [techno music playing] 35 00:02:56,920 --> 00:03:01,040 [techno music builds] 36 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,400 Police! Hands up! 37 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:13,160 [techno music continues] 38 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,840 RECONSTRUCTION OF CHILDHOOD BEDROOM 39 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,960 [lock clicks shut] 40 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,920 [message alert pings] 41 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,720 [Stefan Costebel] How does a "Max" become "Shiny Flakes"? 42 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,760 When does he reach the phase where there's no turning back? 43 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,880 "I'm not going straight anymore, I'm taking a turn". 44 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,920 Why? When? How? What for? I think that's fascinating. 45 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,840 [message alert] 46 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,760 He lived in the children's room at home with his mother and her partner. 47 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:30,280 That was his environment. 48 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,920 Friends? As far as I know, he had none. 49 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,720 A girlfriend? At this time, he also had none. 50 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,000 I have another 10 accounts. Interested? 51 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,640 How much was that again? 52 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,800 We can discuss the price 53 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,440 I lost over 3k last week 54 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,120 I was the annoying guy who always seems a bit awkward. 55 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:58,800 But… 56 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:02,680 also somehow calm. 57 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Just this skinny guy who doesn't do any exercise, 58 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,440 but just sits in front of the computer. 59 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,080 During adolescence, when… 60 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,200 one develops a certain arrogance… 61 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,040 There wasn't much competition. 62 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,720 -THEN I CAN GET THE HDS -GOT SOME CC+SC, NO PROBLEM 63 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:23,680 YEAH 64 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,280 BEDROOM 65 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:35,320 HALL, BALCONY, KITCHEN, BATHROOM 66 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,920 [Max] So at the time, I was chatting with someone I know 67 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,560 by the alias "dumb_pig". 68 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,520 dumb_pig@jabber.sk 69 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,080 [Max] And… 70 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,200 you talk about a lot of things as the night goes on. 71 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:00,680 It always spills over. 72 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,400 You talk about all kinds of bullshit. 73 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,080 dumb_pig: I was just on Silk Road 74 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:12,080 [Max] And at some point it came up: "Hey, Silk Road… 75 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,080 What's on there?" Etcetera. 76 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:20,320 And I think at that moment, it was primarily about 77 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,920 what they offer in the area of Internet fraud. 78 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,480 Until I realised it's actually more about drugs. 79 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,560 Drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs… 80 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,600 From 100 tabs of LSD here, 81 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,040 to two grammes of crystal meth there. 82 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,160 dumb_pig: They have EVERYTHING 83 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,480 [Max] And so we talked back and forth. 84 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,600 And the conclusion we came to was, the reason there's so many drugs 85 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,560 is that the profit margins are so high. 86 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,680 And then I thought, "Yeah, that's true." 87 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,840 I crunched the numbers and did some research. 88 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,120 [8-bit music playing] 89 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,680 There was no moment where I thought, "Whoa, how crazy is this?" 90 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,880 It was more like: "Whoa, this is crazy!" 91 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,520 In a positive sense. 92 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,080 It didn't intimidate me, it made me want more. 93 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,280 [music intensifies] 94 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,760 The first impulse was: "This stuff is out there, but it could be better." 95 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,640 It ALL has to be improved 96 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,760 Website, support, images, everything 97 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,000 dumb_pig: That's some big talk. Nothing to back it up 98 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,000 Wanna bet 99 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,440 [Max] And the guy I was talking to, dumb_pig, 100 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,240 said: "It's not that easy. It's dangerous." Blah, blah, blah. 101 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,960 "You can't do it better just like that". And, "There's no other platform." 102 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,080 Fine, then somebody could make their own platform. 103 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,880 How can I ship better than them? How can I have a bigger profit margin? 104 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,080 How can I get more customers than them? 105 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,120 How can I get more satisfied customers than these guys? 106 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,360 Coke, hash and speed would work well Better than meeting a dealer in the park 107 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,400 There were a lot of different sellers, 108 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,360 and maybe one of them had the best customer support, 109 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,360 another one had the best prices… 110 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,480 But somebody who provides it all-in-one? There just wasn't anything like that. 111 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,880 This is the dumbest idea you've ever had Trying to compete with a 5 mil business 112 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,800 You don't even know a dealer 113 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,760 [fingers typing] 114 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:26,920 I can learn???? 115 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,240 [Max] Many of the people selling come from a different background. 116 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,360 They come from the street, they have some contacts where they get drugs, 117 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,920 and then they would sell them. 118 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,240 But they have no technical knowledge about, "How can I protect myself?" 119 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,440 "How do I make my own shop and present it well?" 120 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,320 I'll start looking around for a supplier… 121 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,920 OK… 122 00:08:55,560 --> 00:09:00,120 It wasn't necessarily that there was a decision: "Okay, I'm going to do this." 123 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Rather, it was more like, "How could this be done?" 124 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,880 And then you think it through. 125 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,240 And in order to see how to reach the goal, you already start doing parts of it. 126 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,640 And then I just gave it a try. 127 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,440 Hey, how's it going? We don't know each other. 128 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,960 True. 129 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,800 I want to sell. Need 25g coke and 10 mdma. To test. 130 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,120 Can you give me a good price? I'll need it on the regular. 131 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,840 1700. Payment only with Bitcoin Delivery to Pack Station 132 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,840 [ominous electronic music playing] 133 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,320 [click] 134 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,200 [music continues] 135 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,120 [music fades] 136 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,120 [Max] When I placed my first order with redbull, 137 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,920 it was, I think, some stupid amount 138 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,200 like 25 grammes of cocaine 139 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,880 and something like ten or 20 grammes of MDMA. 140 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,480 And that was it. 141 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,440 Suddenly I had it there. 142 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,880 I had to see, what does it smell like? What does it look like? 143 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,920 Hmm. It was all very new and unusual. 144 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,760 What do I have to do with drugs? 145 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,520 It surprised everyone, 146 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,600 because everyone assumes that the kind of people 147 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,320 who are active in this area 148 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,240 also consume regularly. 149 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,800 And that's not Max. 150 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,160 [Max] I had to read up on it: "What does this stuff do? 151 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,520 What do people even do with it?" 152 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,200 When you watch a film, a typical film, 153 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,400 everything's cool except heroin. People say bad things about that. 154 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,840 But otherwise it's always, "Hey, party! It's just a bit of fun!" 155 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,400 Funnily enough, I had this cool Xbox, 156 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,440 which had a kind of piano-black, reflective surface, 157 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,480 and I thought, "Hmm, if I put this in front of my TV, 158 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,680 and then put a cool fire on the TV, 159 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,800 then it would make a really good reflection on the Xbox." 160 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,400 [tense music playing] 161 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,960 [Max] And it was just a killer photo. 162 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,840 In the beginning, people complimented it and said: 163 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,640 "Hey, that looks so cool and classy, I want to order just because of that!" 164 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,720 [tense music continues] 165 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,560 At the very beginning, of course I was nervous about it, 166 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,960 like: "Maybe it's like in the movies, you do something and the police come!" 167 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:06,520 But once you understand the technical side of things, 168 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,720 all that goes away 169 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,080 and you're left with the endless possibilities of what you can do. 170 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Like a game. 171 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,720 [pulsing electronic music playing] 172 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,840 Buy drugs with Bitcoin 173 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,200 Buy drugs easily with Bitcoin 174 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,480 People often asked me: "How is this shop different from other online shops?" 175 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:52,920 And I answered, "Not at all. It's just the products are different." 176 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Payments were made in advance, the orders were processed and shipped. 177 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,920 But instead of shoes, it was drugs. 178 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,480 [pulsing music intensifies] 179 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,800 [Max] For people who weren't familiar with the material, 180 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,440 there was even a section for frequently asked questions. 181 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,560 Receive anonymously? 182 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,440 How fast can you ship to me? 183 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,160 You could read it and find out, 184 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,840 "How do you ensure everything is kept anonymous?" 185 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Is it safe? 186 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:28,560 Yes! 187 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Your address info is only recorded for shipping and is then deleted. 188 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,960 …DELETED… 189 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,480 It was also interesting that there was a minimum order value, 190 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,840 and it was even set up so that customers could give ratings, 191 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,240 so to speak, on how satisfied they were with the shop. 192 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,200 That was the fascinating thing. Something I had never seen before. 193 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,960 It was like Amazon. 194 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,560 I don't understand the comparison with Amazon. 195 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,080 Because with Amazon you have various merchants. 196 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,920 In my case, it was just me. 197 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,720 [computer bleeps] 198 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,760 [ping] 199 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,200 So I'm ready… 200 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,920 [Max] A lot of people who are good with tech will say, 201 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,480 "Okay, with a bit of thought and effort, I could have maybe done the same thing." 202 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,520 But the difference is just, you either do it or you don't. 203 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,200 [intense techno music playing] 204 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,800 Check out this new clearnet shop, shinyflakes.com 205 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,920 Didn't know you could do that online. 206 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,040 [Max] My shop was able to run totally normally on the Internet, 207 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,200 because with the right knowledge, it was simply possible. 208 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,760 [Ricardo Schultz] It's really no different from those people in glass buildings. 209 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,320 I mean, they're still doing illegal business, 210 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,160 they're just doing it in plain sight. 211 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,120 Yeah, it was pretty bold. Someone was feeling pretty confident. 212 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,680 Other people probably wouldn't manage it because they would be worried, 213 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,960 or because they would be afraid, or think: 214 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,880 "I can't do that, it's unthinkable to do something like that. 215 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,960 I could harm a lot of people." 216 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,800 He didn't have scruples like this. 217 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,440 And that's why he was able to behave in such a cold-blooded manner. 218 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:08,800 "I control everything. I'm above everything. I can do this." 219 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,400 That's dangerous. 220 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,440 The idea for the whole thing? December 10th, 2013. 221 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,920 Two weeks later, 222 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,560 I think it was the first day of Christmas, the shop was up. 223 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,400 And then I had a problem. 224 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,319 Okay, now I have a shop, and a better way of connecting with customers. 225 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,240 And then I forwarded it to dumb_pig so that he would handle the sales. 226 00:17:31,319 --> 00:17:33,760 I wasn't up for doing it. It was too real for me. 227 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,920 So I thought: "Okay, look, you'll get all of this. 228 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,640 Follow my instructions and everything will be fine." 229 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:46,680 [ping] 230 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:06,720 dumb_pig - last online 2 days ago 231 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,440 [Max] I don't remember what his actual online name was, 232 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,840 but in any case I started calling him dumb_pig at some point. 233 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,560 [director] Why? 234 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,200 Because he's a dumb pig. 235 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,400 shinyflakes: Hey, where are you? 236 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,840 People are starting to put in orders! 237 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,360 last seen online 4 days ago 238 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,720 Yeah, dumb_pig bailed and then I thought, "This is bullshit. 239 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,920 I've worked so hard for the past 30 days and now it's just over. 240 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,680 But I don't want anything to do with the shipping. 241 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,400 It's all too close to home for me. 242 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,840 I'd rather just do stuff here on my PC and have my peace and quiet." 243 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,960 And then I thought, "No, now I've started and it's not… 244 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,480 I can't just stop halfway." So I did it myself. 245 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,160 [ominous electronic music playing] 246 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,240 [checkout scanner beeping] 247 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,440 [music continues] 248 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,800 [director] Were you worried your family would notice? 249 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,480 No family. 250 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,720 [director] No one noticed? 251 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,120 No. 252 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,920 At the very beginning, in January, February, March, 253 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,280 it was all very amateur. 254 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,400 There's no instructions online 255 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,400 about how to break up MDMA 256 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,920 or how to measure out cocaine. 257 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,720 So I had to try things out on my own to see what I could do. 258 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,800 And I mean even the simplest things. 259 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,600 In the beginning I had a knife 260 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,040 and I just dug around in the MDMA rock, which is actually like a real rock. 261 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,880 It was chaotic. 262 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,080 Hi, it all arrived safely 263 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,760 Told you so 264 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,600 [Max] Redbull was my first supplier. 265 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,480 He helped me a lot because he didn't just sell me stuff, 266 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,200 he also shared a bit of knowledge with me. 267 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,720 He was kind of a mentor, I'd say. 268 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,640 I could ask him any kind of dumb question 269 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,240 and at some point he'd answer. 270 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,600 How do I break up the MDMA???? 271 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,280 Hammer, chisel, plastic box Just really pound it 272 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,720 And don't breathe in the dust 273 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,080 Really? 274 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,880 [key turns in lock] 275 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,640 [director] What would have happened if someone was standing here? 276 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,080 I was at the hardware shop. 277 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,000 Hammer, chisel. Stuff you need. 278 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,680 [director] That never happened? 279 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,520 Uh, no, they go to work, so… 280 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,160 Yeah, of course it was very practical 281 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,120 that I could come in just here and go in there and not have a long way to go. 282 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,560 [director] Didn't you ever make mistakes? 283 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,120 Not generally, no. 284 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,160 [rapid hammering] 285 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,320 [tense music playing] 286 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,200 [crows cawing] 287 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,200 LEIPZIG CORRECTIONAL FACILITY OPEN PRISON 288 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,280 [Max] So… 289 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,760 This looks so funny. 290 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,480 I would always mess with the social workers. 291 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,480 They come in at six in the morning to check that you're still alive. 292 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,360 And I would always put this Minion here at the computer. 293 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:43,920 They always looked confused. 294 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,040 A pro. 295 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,240 When the shop was up and running I never imagined that I'd go to prison. 296 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,680 So I had no idea of what was coming, that it would end like this. 297 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,440 INMATE ROOM 298 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,720 But now it's been four and a half years. 299 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,280 In four and a half years, other people go to university, they do other things. 300 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,200 Live the student life, etcetera. 301 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,240 Here, there's nothing. Wake up early, go to bed at night. 302 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,000 Very, very, very boring. 303 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,680 My motto has always been: 304 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,160 Stay as far away from everyone as possible. 305 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,960 I had a small group that I would see, a few people. 306 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,360 But it's not good to get too involved with people in general. 307 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,720 I don't know, it's not very social. 308 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,960 Very… primitive. 309 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,480 [checkout beeping] 310 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,880 [key turns in lock] 311 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,280 [Max] In the beginning it was all pretty relaxed. 312 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,960 You had your one order, then five, then ten orders a day. 313 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,000 The security precautions are relatively simple. 314 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,320 You don't meet with anyone. 315 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,720 And other than that, 316 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,680 make sure you don't get caught when you're doing the shipping. 317 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,160 Sometimes someone would come and want to post something. 318 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,400 So I'd stand to the side for a moment and say: 319 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,520 "You can go in front of me, I've got so many." 320 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,960 No one really cares. 321 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,120 [pulsing music playing] 322 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,920 At that time, sending drugs by post wasn't really heard-of. 323 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,080 That's the amazing thing, 324 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,720 that it's possible to use official shipping methods 325 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,480 to build a flourishing drug trade. 326 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,920 First you have to come up with the idea, then implement it. 327 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,520 [Max] Yeah, the German Postal Service and DHL did a very good job. 328 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,480 People went nuts because they would order at 3 p.m. 329 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,880 and the next morning it was there at eight. 330 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,520 And it's you they thank, but it's because the post was so fast and good. 331 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,840 In effect, the postmen were my couriers. 332 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,240 In January 2014, so in the first month, 333 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,360 I had maybe 10, 15 thousand euros in sales, which is a lot. 334 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,760 But it grew so much with time. 335 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,360 No one could have expected it. 336 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,240 Right from the beginning, it just took off. 337 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,560 [computer bleeping] 338 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,360 It kept on growing so much that in summer 2014, 339 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,960 I think there were 40 or 50 orders a day. 340 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,160 A lot of people found the shop through Google searches. 341 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,360 You can see clearly what people are searching for, 342 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,560 and one was "buy cocaine." 343 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,760 Boom, then they're on your website. 344 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,760 I had everything. 345 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:29,160 Aside from drugs, I also had various prescription medication on offer. 346 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,400 Alprazolam, bromazepam, clonazepam, diazepam, 347 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,200 nitrazepam, fentanyl, midazolam, tramadol, zolpidem. 348 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,160 A lot of prescription drugs. 349 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,560 [bleep] 350 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,720 [cash registers ringing] 351 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,040 [driving percussive music playing] 352 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,160 [cash registers ringing] 353 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,840 For every normal adult, it's all about the money. 354 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,200 And also, as is the case with all of my drug dealers, 355 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,480 it's all about living in the fast lane. 356 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,760 Whether it's buying hand-made shoes or tailored suits. 357 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,000 It's just all really about living it up. 358 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,800 Max didn't do that at all. 359 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,680 All that money… 360 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,400 he didn't spend any of it. 361 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,160 The most fun part was just watching it grow. 362 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,600 [upbeat dance music playing] 363 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,160 [Max] Big cities, small towns, 364 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,480 the tiniest Bavarian village… 365 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,800 [music continues] 366 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,160 [Max] Also Indonesia, China, Australia… Orders from all over the world. 367 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000 When you've got an online drug business, 368 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,520 you have a bigger reach than you would just standing out in a park. 369 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,200 You can operate worldwide, even though you're just in one spot. 370 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,640 [music continues] 371 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,920 [Max] The strangest thing was one time when an order came from Colombia. 372 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,600 Where I thought they definitely have enough drugs. 373 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920 AWESOME - doesn't get any better 374 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,280 Powder is the best. Very nice. 375 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,920 There's no better speed than Shiny's! 376 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680 Super fast, well packaged, TOP quality 377 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,520 It's all about SHINY!!! 378 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,040 10/10 clean products 379 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,760 Super fast and super secure! 380 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,400 Ordered on 7.6, as of now still processing… 381 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,600 This scammer writes all the positive reviews himself! 382 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,160 Super fast and super secure! 383 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,920 [soft pulsing music playing] 384 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,480 In order to keep track of all the orders, 385 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,160 at first I made a list in Excel, very simple. 386 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,440 Because I had to try and work out how to organise it all. 387 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,960 He did things that didn't quite match up 388 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,640 with what he had previously promised his customers online. 389 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,520 [pulsing music intensifies] 390 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,000 [director] You said in your F.A.Q. that you don't save the customers' names. 391 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,160 Yeah… 392 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,400 That's another thing. 393 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,960 At some point I started using the spreadsheet, and… 394 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920 of course I could have just selected the top row, and said, 395 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,120 "Now we can delete January through August, don't need it." 396 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,800 But I just didn't do it. 397 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,280 [computer whirring] 398 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,160 Maximilian felt safe. 399 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,160 The way he behaved showed that. 400 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,160 And it went well for a long time. 401 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560 [ominous music playing] 402 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,600 [printer whirring] 403 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,960 SAXONY POLICE 404 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,520 [young woman's voice] June 26th, 2014. 405 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,760 I'm renting a flat in Leipzig. 406 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,480 Today I left my flat at 8:15 a.m. 407 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,760 At around 12:50 p.m. I came back home 408 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,160 and found two A5 envelopes had been left in my letterbox. 409 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,640 Both had "Leipzig Repository" as the return address. 410 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,320 Since I didn't know of a Leipzig Repository in the building, 411 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,040 I took them both up to my flat. 412 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,880 Then I called my neighbour and asked if he had ordered anything on eBay, 413 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,480 and he said he hadn't. 414 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920 He took a look at the two envelopes and said: 415 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,800 "Let's open them up and have a look." 416 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,280 When the envelopes were open, 417 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,320 we could see several grey plastic bags inside. 418 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160 At that point I immediately notified the police. 419 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,160 My colleagues found 100 grammes of amphetamines, 420 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,280 a large amount of cocaine and some ecstasy pills. 421 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,000 When it's one or two, you don't think much of it, 422 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,760 but there were similar findings all over the country. 423 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,400 Then it was established that the senders didn't exist. 424 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,440 The addresses were all made up. 425 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,960 …not registered with the Trade Licensing Office… 426 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,720 [Petric Kleine] Most of them had one thing in common: 427 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,800 They were all sent via the mail dispatch centre in Radefeld. 428 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,719 That was more or less the first sign: 429 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,280 "Mm-hm, could have something to do with Leipzig." 430 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,560 Shipments often get sent back, 431 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:25,719 you can't avoid that. 432 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,600 Then of course the police can find out where it was sent from. 433 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,560 But it doesn't lead to me. 434 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,480 Yes, that's correct. 435 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,520 But there were other factors. 436 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,040 Who had paid for the postage? 437 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,520 But we didn't get any further with that, 438 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,520 because Mr Schmidt made sure to cover his tracks. 439 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,040 Being relatively well-versed 440 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,680 and connected within the world of cybercrime proved to be an advantage. 441 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,080 You need the package pick-up stations to be able to receive anything. 442 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,080 You need a postage account to buy stamps. 443 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,120 You need bank accounts to convert the Bitcoin into cash. 444 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,120 How can I conceal my identity? 445 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,720 How can I avoid getting caught? 446 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,720 On the street, someone could see you, 447 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,800 but on the Internet it's more about, don't leave any traces, 448 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,360 and if you do, in what form? 449 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,520 Is there a whole group behind this? 450 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,640 Are there suppliers who procure the drugs? 451 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,920 Are there employees whose job it is to send the packages 452 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,920 and so on and so forth? 453 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,360 Their investigations had no direction. 454 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,040 I think the fact that he's analysing our investigations is a bit outrageous. 455 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,280 Because in the end it didn't do him any good. 456 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,320 [eerie music playing] 457 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,120 [deep rumbling] 458 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,640 [rumbling grows louder] 459 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,000 [intense bleeping] 460 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,520 [whirring] 461 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,520 [clank of machinery] 462 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,920 [downtempo beat playing] 463 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,760 [music continues] 464 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,520 One thing Maximilian had fun with 465 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,240 is that he would always put a little packet of gummy bears in the envelope. 466 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,240 [Max] Of course people liked it. 467 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,480 One person said, "Great! First gummy bears, then drugs." 468 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,240 Another person said: "I sell the drugs and then I've still got the gummy bears." 469 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,160 Basically it was just an idea… 470 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,160 to add another positive feature to the customer service. 471 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,160 It's so simple, but people talked about it. 472 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,440 At first, you could order anything. 473 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,760 Then someone ordered 17 grammes of MDMA, 474 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,440 which is of course totally stupid if you have to package it all. 475 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,480 Seventeen! You can't even prepare that much. 476 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,800 Unless maybe you take ten, five and two. 477 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,800 You've already got those prepared 478 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,360 because you pre-measure things that sell frequently. 479 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,720 I had to measure out one gramme, one gramme, one gramme… 480 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,320 Not one gramme here and 15 grammes there. 481 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,240 If you measure out that many in a row 482 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,920 you start to develop a feel for it. 483 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,440 Later, in prison, I was working in the kitchen 484 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,720 and one time I had to add 300 millilitres of cherry compote to the semolina. 485 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,600 That was pretty easy for me! 486 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,880 [downtempo beat continues] 487 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:01,840 For the duration of this year, 488 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,720 or a little over a year, 489 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680 this person lived only to commit multiple crimes per day. 490 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,680 That means he got up every morning and said, 491 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,480 "I'm going to continue committing this crime." 492 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,360 And not just by selling one pill today, 493 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,160 or ten grammes of marijuana tomorrow, 494 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,160 but instead: "I'm going to do it on a large scale 495 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,000 and make money." 496 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,480 [director] Didn't you ever feel guilty about it? 497 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,560 In what sense? 498 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,840 [director] Did you worry that you might be harming people? 499 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,480 Uh, I didn't necessarily feel guilty about whether it might be harming anyone. 500 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,240 Because for me the logical reasoning was: 501 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,240 "If they don't get it from me they'll get it from someone else." 502 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,800 [message alert] 503 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,720 Yes… 504 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,000 In his case there is direct harm. 505 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,680 If I hit someone, 506 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,120 I see their injured face or their bruised eye, for example. 507 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,840 But with this case, the harm is anonymous. 508 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,840 And perhaps it's for that reason that the thought process is different here. 509 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,520 [ambient music playing] 510 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,000 XTC - green Chupa Chups SHINY FLAKES EXCLUSIVE 511 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,640 [Max] My low prices were the result of the fact 512 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:02,440 that I purchased extremely large quantities from my suppliers, and… 513 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,440 over time, I found the best suppliers out there. 514 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,960 [Max] I was in contact with, for example, Dutchmasters. 515 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,320 Whenever they brought out a new pill, 516 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,880 they would make maybe one to two million of them, 517 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,360 and I would order 100,000, 150,000 straight away. 518 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,360 [cash register ringing] 519 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,600 Is it even possible for such a young person, 520 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,960 19 at the time, and then later 20, 521 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,080 to run something like this on their own? 522 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,640 We had serious doubts right up until the end. 523 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,240 Simply because of all the effort that was required, 524 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,560 and because of all the logistics, which were enormous. 525 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,560 [pulsing music playing] 526 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,320 The courier couldn't have had any idea that he was delivering right to my house. 527 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,640 I said to him: "Hey, send your guy there. Then they'll meet." 528 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,120 Of course I always talked in the third person. 529 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,120 I couldn't say, "I'll come and meet you." That would sound very unprofessional. 530 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,280 And then if 200 kilos came at once, 531 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,080 which happened one time, you had to walk up to the fourth floor a few times. 532 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,920 Unfortunately there wasn't a lift. 533 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,240 No, I didn't worry that someone would steal it. 534 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,040 I mean, even if someone did, 535 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,280 they wouldn't say, "Hey, Officer, I found some drugs." 536 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,760 At least I don't think so. 537 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,000 [hammering in bedroom] 538 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,120 [Stefan Costabel] He led his own life in the flat. 539 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,920 And the mother knew nothing about her son. 540 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,920 She didn't know what time he got up, she didn't know… 541 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,680 She knew that he cooked. 542 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,000 The only thing she did for him was the laundry. 543 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,320 Which, however, he would fold in the laundry basket himself 544 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,600 and then take it to his room. 545 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,320 And it is true that the mother actually did not go into her son's room 546 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,840 for over a year. 547 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,000 The investigation showed that the son, 548 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,680 independently from his millions in revenue, 549 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,200 would actually return the family's recyclables 550 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,920 as part of the national recycling scheme, 551 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,320 and they had agreed 552 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,200 that he could then keep the money he got from that scheme 553 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,960 as a kind of supplement to his pocket money. 554 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,080 [Dr. Hieronymus] Mr. Schmidt was not very willing 555 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,480 to talk about his family or close relatives. 556 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,480 Perhaps it's because he wants to be seen as an individual 557 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,600 rather than as part of a family unit, or as part of a community of sorts, 558 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,040 because then that community would also have to deal 559 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,480 with these uncomfortable questions. 560 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,600 "How did you end up like this?" 561 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200 And I think that he is actually ashamed of it. 562 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,840 [Ricardo Schultz] It's one of the peculiarities of this case 563 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,480 that someone who wasn't technically a criminal… 564 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,520 Not only "technically" but not at all a criminal… 565 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,720 this person, with the help of the Internet is capable, in a very short time, 566 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,280 of committing crimes on this scale. 567 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:03,360 If you sit down with a psychologist they'll ask this exact question: 568 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,280 "When was the moment you said to yourself, 'Hey, being a criminal is okay.'?" 569 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,200 But this question, at least for me as a 14, 15, 16-year-old, 570 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,920 didn't enter my mind. 571 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,960 It's not as if you're thinking, "Hey, I'll go rob a bank now." 572 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,160 It's more something you feel your way into. 573 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,200 When you first visit a website like this, 574 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,640 that's about hacking and Internet fraud, 575 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,280 it's definitely different to what people imagine. 576 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,760 Hacking a webcam??? 577 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,760 [Max] My first experience on these boards was simply being among like-minded people. 578 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,600 At that time, I was just a boy who wanted to cause a lot of trouble. 579 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,160 How do I steal passwords? 580 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,000 Check out this tool 581 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,680 [Max] You feel yourself get pulled into the situation, 582 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,960 as if you were in another world. 583 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,960 Planting keyloggers or Trojans on people were the first steps. 584 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,360 And it would be like, "Ha, I did it!" 585 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,360 And now, I don't know, I can watch through their webcam or something like that. 586 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,520 That's just a stupid example. 587 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,800 Usually you'd get your hands on some kind of login data. 588 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,440 And then you could log in and delete the person's profile or something. 589 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,800 Just trolling around. 590 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,440 Or you'd get into their eBay account and post something just for fun. 591 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,040 When you're 14, 15, you do things like that. 592 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,960 Maybe. I mean, there are people like that. Maybe I was one of them. 593 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,640 It was really pretty pointless, but you just did it. 594 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,520 I mean, the goal wasn't to empty out someone's bank account straight away. 595 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,360 You would maybe start doing something like that later on, 596 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,120 when your interests changed and you realised: "I can make money with this." 597 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,520 This is his application. CV… 598 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,680 Yeah, his cover letter. 599 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,600 "Hardworking, punctual, conscientious." 600 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,640 CV 601 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,680 [Max] I finished school and thought: 602 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,600 "I have to do something now." 603 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,240 Then I started working as a waiter, 604 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,600 because that was a job you could get straight away. 605 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,720 I kind of had fun being a waiter, because on the one hand you're close to people, 606 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,520 and people always said to me, "Hey, that's not your thing." 607 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,360 And on the other hand it was so distanced 608 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,880 because it was this standard service procedure. 609 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,120 "There's a guest coming in." Be friendly, blah, blah, blah. 610 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,360 Show them to their seats, do this and that… It's a very simple job. 611 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,040 He only accepted other people's authority 612 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,880 when he was certain that they knew more than him 613 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,240 and that they could do more than him. 614 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,000 Otherwise he didn't accept any authority. 615 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,480 All the routine tasks that everyone had to do at a relaxed tempo 616 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,960 were boring for him. 617 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,200 It wasn't his thing. 618 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,520 He always wanted to be moving quickly, to get things done. 619 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,680 To be the first, to be meticulous. 620 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,840 For that reason he was annoyed by the colleagues who weren't perfect. 621 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,160 He would say, "It has to be perfect for everyone, for the whole team." 622 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680 He couldn't stand anything being off. 623 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,160 If anyone did something different to how Max thought it should be, 624 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,000 I wouldn't have to do anything because Max sorted it out. 625 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,680 He'd say: "Fix it. Do it better." Yeah. 626 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,920 That's classic overconfidence. 627 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,840 [computer beeps] 628 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,200 We said: "What do you do in the evenings? Don't you go out, don't you go clubbing? 629 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,040 What do you do at home?" And he said: 630 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,920 "I sit at my laptop, and I do stuff." 631 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,280 Yeah. But of course he didn't say what is was that he was doing. 632 00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,000 My profile picture on Crimenetwork was Kim Jong Un, 633 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,760 the North Korean dictator. 634 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,000 He's cool, I mean the way he looks. 635 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,600 As for what he does in North Korea, no idea! 636 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,840 On Crimenetwork, there are various levels. 637 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,240 There's these newly registered users, 638 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,920 and the first and second levels. 639 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,120 And you have the moderators, the administrators who run the board. 640 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,880 And then there's also an elite level. 641 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,880 I was practically a category unto myself. 642 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,240 [director] How did you achieve that status? 643 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,560 It's hard to say, because it involves these backstories. 644 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,800 And for me, what happened or didn't happen before isn't relevant. 645 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,600 This is about drugs, and that's where it will stay. 646 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,760 Learning the Basics 647 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,160 Make money with stolen credit cards 648 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,200 [Petric Kleine] It was a refuge for him. He was somebody important on there. 649 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,160 He meant something. 650 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,320 People talked about him on there. 651 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,400 He was seen as a big deal. 652 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,000 He was flattered by all that. He liked all that. 653 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,600 This was his world, where he got the recognition 654 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,640 that seemed to be missing elsewhere. 655 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,560 [director] Would you have liked to keep him on? 656 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,080 -Yes. -Of course. 657 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,080 [Max] I did it for about a year and half, 658 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,560 and then it happened that we were assigned tasks by the boss herself. 659 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,800 And I was already in a bad mood that day. 660 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,520 Then she came up to me and said, 661 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,560 "Mr Schmidt, if you don't want to work, you can go home." 662 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,920 So, "Okay, then I'll go." And I left. 663 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,400 Because at that moment I didn't exactly need the money. 664 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,680 And, since I was so young, it happened very quickly, 665 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,880 the thing that brings us here today. 666 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,520 Max will open his own wonderful restaurant one day. 667 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,600 Or a nice chic bar. 668 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,040 Max was… at least it seemed that way when he was here… 669 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,840 He was born to be a boss! 670 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,640 That should be his goal, we thought. 671 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,520 [director] He did get his own shop. 672 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:20,920 Yeah. 673 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,080 [machinery whirring] 674 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,040 [whirring intensifies] 675 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,600 [Petric Kleine] We took various approaches with the investigation. 676 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:59,720 A similar package was found in Baden-Württemberg. 677 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,800 And the investigations carried out by our colleagues there 678 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,160 indicated that the recipient of this package 679 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,600 browsed a particular site very frequently. 680 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,480 And so then we became aware of the site's existence. 681 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,160 We were shocked. 682 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,960 Here was someone brazenly dealing narcotics 683 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,360 on the freely accessible Internet. 684 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,920 We went through every single page on the website, front to back. 685 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,680 We weren't 't really expecting it to, but it's typical for online stores… 686 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,600 actually it's required by law… 687 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,000 It had a "company information" page. 688 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,400 Let's get the party started! 689 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,240 A company information page… has not yet been found. 690 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,160 [Petric Kleine] Where is this shop registered? 691 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,400 Where is the domain registered for the shop? 692 00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,520 Always with the goal of finding a loose thread. 693 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,040 We found out where the server was. 694 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,600 The whole thing was connected upstream 695 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,120 with an encryption mechanism that's based in the USA. 696 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,160 [Max] The operator CloudFlare was mostly there 697 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,600 so that if the website is attacked by competitors or other people, 698 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,440 the website stays online. 699 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,360 It shows how incompetent they are when they claim it was used for concealment, 700 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,000 while actually it was for a technical reason. 701 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,480 [Petric Kleine] We asked them about it. 702 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,240 They stated that they would inform the person in question 703 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,280 about the police's activities. 704 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,600 Of course we didn't want that. 705 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,320 Investigation into this is futile. 706 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,280 PRINT 707 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,000 The investigation authorities weren't getting anywhere, 708 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,120 and then a letter came from California asking: 709 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,080 "Who are you? Leipzig public prosecutor's office? We really don't care." 710 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,880 Policeman or not, hacker or whatever, 711 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,720 if you didn't like it, there was nothing you could do. 712 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,360 The website was running. 713 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,720 Well, I admit, 714 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,320 I had to laugh, because it's a really impressive feat. 715 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,880 Not just anyone could pull this off. 716 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,640 Well, you feel really powerless. 717 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,880 You have to realise that there is no equality of arms 718 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,280 between the perpetrators and law enforcement. 719 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,400 The reason for this is because we don't have many legal options available to us, 720 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,800 and the perpetrators have better options available. 721 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,600 And yet we still always had leads that we could continue working on. 722 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,400 [techno music playing] 723 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,920 [Max] Around the end of December 2014, I got in a little over my head. 724 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,760 [phone ringing] 725 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,920 [many phones ringing] 726 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,040 [Max] Small details and server problems. 727 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,120 Mail traffic problems. 728 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,920 The device for sealing the aluminium bags would break. 729 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,800 Lost packages that you would worry about. 730 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,640 All of that messes with the rhythm of your process, 731 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,880 and slowly but surely, a backlog built up. 732 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,680 And so that led to me making these gigantic portions of spaghetti bolognese, 733 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,880 eating at six in the morning or four in the afternoon. 734 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,720 When you no longer have a steady daily rhythm 735 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,200 and you're just packing cocaine from 12 a.m. to 6 a.m. 736 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,240 it's neither healthy nor effective. 737 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,920 He said that sometimes, and this appeared in his statements, 738 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,000 that he only slept three or four hours so he could catch up with his packaging. 739 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,920 Whether or not at this point he still thought that it was a game, 740 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,280 I couldn't say. 741 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,280 [machinery whirring] 742 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,880 [intense bleeping] 743 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,680 [whirring and bleeping intensify] 744 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,080 [cacophony of message alerts] 745 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,160 In the end I had maybe 15,150 orders per day. 746 00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,840 And at the height of everything, 747 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,960 I was making 100,000 euros in sales per day. 748 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,840 Who knows where that could have led. But in the end, I was just one person. 749 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:14,560 [eerie music playing] 750 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,800 [Max] It was just too much to manage. 751 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,160 And I didn't question whether it made sense. 752 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,280 There were no doubts or anything. There was no room for that. 753 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,680 I really didn't think about it at that time. 754 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,560 Only once I was in prison. 755 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,640 Yeah, it was like being on some sort of hamster wheel. 756 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,200 It just keeps going, no matter how fast you run, or how slowly. 757 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,080 [pulsing music playing] 758 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,600 [radio station chatter, indistinct] 759 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,640 [radio station chatter continues] 760 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,600 [Max] Because I was constantly shipping from different locations, 761 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,520 it's just impossible to trace that. 762 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,920 Even if you trace the postmark, okay, it was dropped in such and such a postbox, 763 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,920 but with 50 or 100 postboxes you have in a big city like Leipzig, 764 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,920 you can go to a different one every day. 765 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,840 What are the police supposed to do, monitor every postbox? 766 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,960 Unidentified Male Person (UMP) 767 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,880 UMP collecting a package from package compartment 768 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,280 UMP removing a further package from compartment 769 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,600 We were able to trace it. 770 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,240 It's certainly true that he was very careful with how he went about it. 771 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,000 But he also didn't know that he was under observation. 772 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,880 That's the point of observation. 773 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,400 UMP holding removed package in hands 774 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:22,200 As part of his psychological evaluation, I asked him why he got caught, 775 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,760 and his answer was, "It wasn't because of me, 776 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,000 it was because someone else did a bad job." 777 01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,880 Someone he was associated with. 778 01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,440 Here again we see this attitude of, "I can only rely on myself." 779 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,400 But he did in fact have a couple of contacts. 780 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,200 And that's where he tripped up. 781 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,760 [message alert] 782 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,880 They arrested Red Bull and his people 783 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,600 I assume they had been watching him over a long period of time 784 01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,960 Who were the others? 785 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:05,120 Was one of them the guy who recently drove across Germany for us? 786 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,320 The cops held him for one day 787 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,360 and then let him go 788 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,840 I don't get it either 789 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,800 maybe as bait 790 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,080 Could be that the cops will lay off now 791 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,520 Because they think they arrested the main suspect 792 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,920 Maybe not though 793 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,160 Better safe than sorry. 794 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,360 [Max] I don't know what mistakes Redbull made 795 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,600 that got the police on his tail. 796 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,800 But I do know that they found me as a result of those mistakes. 797 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,480 In the files, 798 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,720 it said that they followed him to where he dropped off the post, 799 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,400 and saw a lot of large, suspicious packages there 800 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,800 that were being sent to Leipzig. 801 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,040 Then they followed those, because it was unusual, 802 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,520 and that's how they then got to the package station 803 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,520 that I would often use. 804 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,440 There were undercover investigations, 805 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,120 there were observations, there was telephone surveillance. 806 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,560 The whole shebang. 807 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:34,560 Time of recording: 18.02.2015, 4:57 p.m. 808 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,360 [Max] On February 26th, 2015, 809 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,360 I woke up relatively late. 810 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,080 I'd say around ten. 811 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,960 Because I had to work into the night. 812 01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,960 And I think around 11 or 12 813 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,640 was when the courier came. 814 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,040 [Petric Kleine] Right up until the end, 815 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,760 we assumed that it must be several people. 816 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:29,280 One person handling all that on their own seemed to us relatively impossible. 817 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,880 It's assumed that criminal groups like this 818 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,840 usually tend to be armed. 819 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,720 [drill whirring] 820 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,240 [Max] I think at around 2 p.m. I heard drilling. 821 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,040 And I asked myself, who's drilling here? 822 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,600 It sounded pretty close. "Oh well." 823 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,600 Police! Police! 824 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,560 Police! Don't move! 825 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,520 Hands in the air! 826 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,080 It wasn't fear I felt. 827 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,440 More just a feeling of disbelief that it was happening. 828 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,480 How can this be? How did they find me? 829 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,560 Why should they be here for me? 830 01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:00,160 [tense music playing] 831 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:13,160 [Max] But it became clear pretty quickly that they were here for me. 832 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,320 [assistant director] And cut! Thank you, cut. 833 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,960 -[Max] That was great. -[cop] Yeah, I thought so too, actually. 834 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,560 I'm glad it went smoothly. 835 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,560 But it was super unsettling, because it all feels so real in here. 836 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,080 You wait and you know what's coming. And it's a bad memory. 837 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,800 [cop] I think that's a great statement. "A bad memory." That's good. 838 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,040 But now I can laugh about it. Great. 839 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,520 Yeah, I don't know. 840 01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,680 On the one hand it's unpleasant, but on the other hand it's also like… 841 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,320 Yeah, like confrontation therapy, I'd say. 842 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,720 Every time I hear the word "police" shouted, it's a bit less stressful. 843 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,240 Masked men with machine guns in my room. 844 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,760 They smacked the machine gun across my face. 845 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,479 They threw me to the floor and handcuffed me. 846 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,040 Then they walked over me several times. 847 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,399 Probably because there was so little room, 848 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,560 but also probably because they enjoyed doing it. 849 01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,960 So yeah, and I just lay there for what felt like an hour. 850 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,560 That's how he sees it. 851 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,920 That's probably how he justifies it. 852 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,920 Some of it would have actually happened that way, 853 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,279 but it would be unusual for him to be able to remember it blow-by-blow. 854 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,160 An arrest doesn't just go something like: 855 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,720 "Lie down," and "Please be quiet," 856 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,399 and "Place your hands on your back." 857 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,240 It's much more hands-on. 858 01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:28,840 [newsreader 1] The dealer, a young man just turned 20, 859 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,840 sold these drugs over the Internet. 860 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,520 [newsreader 2] As well as marijuana, LSD and hashish, 861 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,560 also prescription medication. 862 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,479 Drug dealing 2.0. This is something unparalleled in Germany. 863 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,920 [newsreader 2] One of the largest drug busts ever to occur in Germany. 864 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,600 EXHIBIT 182 865 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,399 [pulsing music playing] 866 01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:04,600 [Petric Kleine] At the time our colleagues reported back to us: 867 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,520 "Yeah, there's a large quantity of narcotics in the room." 868 01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,240 And we of course asked: "What does 'a large quantity' mean?" 869 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,200 At first it was ten, 20 kilos. 870 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,520 Then 100 kilos. 871 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,720 And then 15 minutes later 872 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,840 when our colleagues requested a van, 873 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,920 we knew that more than 100 kilos had been seized from the flat. 874 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,280 Orders worth around 4 million. 875 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,680 A tonne. We're talking about a tonne. 876 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,320 I think that more than one champagne cork popped in Leipzig that day. 877 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,760 We were proud that our investigation had been a success. 878 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:14,080 I was still at home, and a police officer came into the room, 879 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,080 stood in the doorframe and just said… 880 01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,800 "Ten years." 881 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,640 And then he walked out. 882 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,880 That was my first indication of where things were going. 883 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,880 [moderator 1] The judges have decided. What's the verdict? 884 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,280 [moderator 2] Seven years of juvenile detention 885 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,640 and he must pay the state three million euros 886 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,720 from the proceeds of his drug deals. 887 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,480 Max, the so-called "children's bedroom dealer" 888 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,480 will spend seven years in juvenile prison according to the Leipzig Regional Court. 889 01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,560 The judge called it serious criminality. 890 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,280 He made a full confession, which favoured the 20-year-old. 891 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,640 Experts attested to his emotional immaturity, 892 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,680 which is why he's been sentenced as a minor. 893 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:12,080 When there is doubt about someone's moral maturity, 894 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,080 and in my view this was the case with him, 895 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:20,400 then it's appropriate to refrain from sentencing as an adult. 896 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:30,640 [ambient music playing] 897 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:07,800 [male voices echoing in hallway] 898 01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,800 [slam] 899 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,280 [key turning in lock] 900 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:33,480 [Max] At first I was extremely impressed when I saw the prison. 901 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:41,400 Then I was overcome with a calm and relaxing feeling 902 01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:43,880 and I was able to switch off for the first time 903 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,240 after months of non-stop working. 904 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,560 [ambient music continues] 905 01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,840 I don't know where the feeling came from, but it was good. 906 01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:09,000 He has not shown any remorse or guilt. 907 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,400 He seemed to me to be very calm 908 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,760 and also very in control of himself. 909 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,320 And unperturbed. 910 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,320 Quite emotionally detached. 911 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:24,000 And I could also see a bit of pride in his eyes. 912 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,080 When the news came on RTL or whatever… 913 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,640 about something with 300 kilogrammes of drugs and a Maximilian, 914 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,040 who was now in custody in Leipzig, 915 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:37,720 the whole prison went mad, 916 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,480 and everyone started banging on the bars like… 917 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,120 "Hey! He's here! Who is it?" 918 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,520 But they all kind of celebrated it. 919 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,680 Legends must be free 920 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,640 Shame he got busted 921 01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,920 For him it was about fame. It was about glory and honour. 922 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,160 "Commando" aims to get teen drug lord out of jail 923 01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,840 "Free Shiny" commando wanted to free Maximilian from Leipzig prison 924 01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,800 -Top man -Ridiculous he got such a long sentence 925 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:17,320 1 Tonne of Drugs in Teen's Bedroom 926 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,240 Now the drug baron's customers are quaking in their boots 927 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,760 [intense music playing] 928 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,000 [Petric Kleine] That was one of the aims of the search: 929 01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,680 not just to secure the drugs or find the cash, 930 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,360 but also to find clues for how we could get into the computer. 931 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,320 And the perpetrator, or Mr Schmidt, 932 01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,320 tried to do everything possible to prevent anyone from accessing the data. 933 01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,800 It took an exceptional performance from the IT forensics team 934 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,800 at the Criminal Investigation Department to manage it. 935 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,400 [director] And how did they do it? 936 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,920 [Max] Well, it's an exceptional performance from the IT forensics team 937 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,480 to go through my stuff and find something where I'd written down a password. 938 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,560 If that's an exceptional performance, hurrah! It was just dumb luck. 939 01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:30,560 Well, yeah, under a pile of rubbish, you could say, 940 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,600 there was a small piece of paper that, thank God, the investigators noticed, 941 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:41,200 and it ended up having the indecipherable password written on it. 942 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,200 It was very, very long. 943 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,480 I didn't answer the question in the press conference, that's correct. 944 01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,800 The reason was simply that I didn't want to lead other perpetrators 945 01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,520 to believe that we had run out of options and that we were helpless. 946 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,640 Of course things like this involve carelessness, 947 01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,560 the human factor and human error. 948 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,600 [ping] 949 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:22,080 The shop was effectively online from late December 2013 950 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:23,840 until the end of February 2015. 951 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,840 SUSPICIOUSLY GOOD JOBS! SAXONY POLICE 952 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,040 From then on, the police had access to the website 953 01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,240 and they used it to promote themselves. 954 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,080 I don't know if that's actually legal. 955 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,080 Maybe I should make a complaint about that. 956 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,360 Shiny Flakes got busted… 957 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,720 Is there a database with all the customers? 958 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,880 How could someone order drugs to their real-life address? 959 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,880 I ordered there but didn't pay. 960 01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,960 I'm in Bavaria and I'm scared, can anything happen to me? 961 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,840 Orders.xlsx 962 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,960 [Max] The order list they found contained about 13,000, 14,000 data sets. 963 01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,160 That means 13,000, 14,000 shipments. 964 01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,680 [Ricardo Schultz] It was a great stroke of luck for the investigators. 965 01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,080 There was concrete data. 966 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,800 It was possible to see addresses, to see names. 967 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,360 It was also possible to see what these individuals had ordered. 968 01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:35,040 Of course they were happy about it. They were thrilled. 969 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,000 [Max] At first I didn't realise the extent of it, 970 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,480 because no one said to me, 971 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,040 "Hey, we've now begun about 4,000 criminal proceedings." 972 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,880 Instead, at some point court orders started coming in. 973 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,920 They said, "You are summoned as a witness." 974 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,720 Even before my own trial was over, I had been summoned as a witness. 975 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,040 For every court hearing he attended, 976 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,480 a separate form had to be filled out. 977 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,760 This is the sixth volume. 978 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,120 You can see how much paperwork he produced while in detention! 979 01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,920 JUNE 2019 980 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,560 WITNESS APPOINTMENT FOR CUSTOMER TRIAL 981 01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,800 -Hello. -You have an appointment? 982 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,440 -Yep. -Good. 983 01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,800 Hello, Mr Schmidt. I'm afraid the hearing is already over. 984 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,360 He gave a full confession so we no longer need your testimony. 985 01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,000 Great. 986 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,360 -It was not foreseeable. -Yeah, as always. 987 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:57,120 -Of course you've travelled a long way. -Yeah. 988 01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,520 -But you will receive compensation. -Super. 989 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,560 If you give me the summons, I can sign it. 990 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,200 I'll need to have a new copy printed out, I'm afraid. 991 01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,520 -You don't have the summons with you? -No, I lost it. 992 01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,760 -Okay, we can create a new one. -Super. 993 01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:11,960 Where do I have to go? 994 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,560 You just walk over here. And then turn right. 995 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,880 -And who am I looking for? -You'll have to sign in downstairs. 996 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,400 Great. 997 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,880 You were summoned as a witness for a proceeding? 998 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,600 [Max] I can't understand a word. 999 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,600 You were summoned as a witness for a proceeding? 1000 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,960 -Uh, yes. -And where is the summons? 1001 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,080 I lost it. That's why I need to request a new witness compensation form, please. 1002 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:38,840 Who told you that? 1003 01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,720 The guy at the entrance over there. By the court. 1004 01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,160 -The guy? -Yeah, I don't know his name. 1005 01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,840 -Okay. -Someone in a uniform. 1006 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:51,360 You have to have the form printed out from the corresponding department. 1007 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:55,840 You can't print it? I'm running around because you guys are disorganised? 1008 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,000 That's handled by the service department. 1009 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,040 Fine. 1010 01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,640 So annoying. This sucks. 1011 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,360 Was that anything to do with my crime? 1012 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,520 [Max] I was called as a witness for hundreds of proceedings. 1013 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,400 In the end that meant that I was always travelling. 1014 01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,120 I couldn't receive visitors, couldn't do my laundry, 1015 01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,760 couldn't receive any letters since I was away from my facility. 1016 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,120 I was completely isolated. 1017 01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,360 I'm tearing up! 1018 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,440 -[director] No sympathy? -No. 1019 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,240 One day you'll know why. 1020 01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,840 [man] I saw a TV crew, Googled him to see what he looks like, 1021 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,360 and I saw that was his face, yeah. 1022 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:07,960 I knew he was coming here because of me. And they couldn't cancel you so late. 1023 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,520 I admitted to everything, that's why. It only lasted half an hour. 1024 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,680 [Max] Okay. And what did they give you? 1025 01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,040 [man] Three years' probation. 1,000-euro fine. 1026 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,320 -[Max] Not too bad. -[man] Not too bad. 1027 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,960 Yeah, they say, "It was such a long time ago, won't happen again." 1028 01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,240 -That's what it looks like. -"Nice guy. Doesn't cause trouble." 1029 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,560 Yeah, they couldn't prove I was selling, anyway. 1030 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,880 It was more of a purchasing cooperative. 1031 01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,240 What quantities are we talking, in the trial? 1032 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,080 Four kilos of speed, 100 grammes of MDMA, cocaine… 1033 01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,680 -Then you got off easy. -I did get off really easy! 1034 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:45,360 Yep, yep… 1035 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,240 "Purchasing cooperative?" 1036 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,080 That's why they couldn't… I mean, "personal use" is what they said, yeah. 1037 01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:00,800 Great. 1038 01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,600 [man] I was really lucky, yeah. 1039 01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:07,040 -And you're on day release now? -Yeah, I get out next month. 1040 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,400 Okay. So it was worth it, right? 1041 01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:10,920 I think so! 1042 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,280 Did they find all the Bitcoins in the end? 1043 01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,640 I don't know. They say there's more, I say there's no more… 1044 01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,160 It's kind of a standoff. 1045 01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,800 No one really knows what… Yeah, well. 1046 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,640 -So, this is my stop. All the best. -Take care. Stay out of trouble! 1047 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:32,960 [both laughing] 1048 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,560 [man] See you. 1049 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,560 [Ricardo Schultz] That was one of the questions 1050 01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,200 that was asked during the investigations, of course, 1051 01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:49,800 and afterwards as well: 1052 01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,880 "What happened to all the money?" 1053 01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:00,640 Income, "Shiny-Flakes" From 12 wallets 1054 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,920 [Petric Kleine] The revenue from the opened wallets 1055 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,320 amounted to 350,000 euros. 1056 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,520 At the end of it all, yeah, we admit we couldn't open two wallets. 1057 01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,240 What's inside them, we don't know. 1058 01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,160 The fact that many people can't imagine 1059 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,920 that this money somehow disappeared, 1060 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,040 but rather that it was hidden somewhere, 1061 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,640 is very understandable. 1062 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,760 They form their own opinion and say, "Of course there's something in there." 1063 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,080 No one can prove it, no one can trace it. 1064 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,400 If I had access, I could say, "Here, look, there's nothing in there." 1065 01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,960 And if there was something in there, I wouldn't necessarily reveal it. 1066 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,480 Max isn't rich, no. I don't think so. 1067 01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,360 [director] So what is stopping you from saying, 1068 01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:20,800 "I don't have a single cent of it?" 1069 01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:24,120 Yeah, one could say that. 1070 01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,960 -[director] Is that true? -Yeah, one could say that. 1071 01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,520 Well, one could put it that way. 1072 01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:44,280 [director] We only report things that represent the truth. 1073 01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,960 -Yeah. -[director] So is there any money left? 1074 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,720 Well, in that wallet, there's definitely not one cent. 1075 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,200 I know that much. 1076 01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,520 -[director] Do you still have any of it? -I don't think so. 1077 01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,000 All I got from the business was experience and lost time. 1078 01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,280 -Not a cent? -Not a cent. 1079 01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,760 We'll see what the future brings. 1080 01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:15,960 [director] What does that mean? 1081 01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,680 Well, we are indeed watching him 1082 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,000 to see if he commits further offences. 1083 01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,040 He's out on probation after all. 1084 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,760 There might be opportunities. 1085 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,120 He might, for example, use his knowledge 1086 01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,320 and the financial means that certainly still exist 1087 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,160 to commit further offences. 1088 01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,080 -[director] You already have suspicions? -I won't comment on that. 1089 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,240 [director] So, yes? 1090 01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,240 JUNE 2020 1091 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,920 ONE YEAR OF FREEDOM 1092 01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,280 [Max] After my arrest, 1093 01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,480 I spent a total of four years and seven months in prison. 1094 01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,040 There are procedures where they can decide, 1095 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:28,000 "Okay, his behaviour has been good, he has good social prospects." 1096 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,480 Then there's an assessor who says, "Okay, 1097 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,080 he seems to be heading in the right direction. 1098 01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,280 We'll give him a chance to get out earlier." 1099 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,600 [director] Do you have any plans? 1100 01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,040 At the moment I'm working in a car park. 1101 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,240 -[director] Is that true? -Yeah! 1102 01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,760 [director] What do you do there? 1103 01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,120 These are detailed questions. 1104 01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,400 Car stuff. 1105 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:08,600 Yeah, well… office stuff at the car park. 1106 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,880 [ambient music playing] 1107 01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,640 [laughing] 1108 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,280 [Max] "Eat & Meat." Not sure what that is. 1109 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:41,840 [Max] We're going to go to the Reichstag. 1110 01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,480 [babble of conversation] 1111 01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,760 At first Max swiped left on me but he came back because he thought, 1112 01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,800 -"Oh, she's really cute." -I have Premium. I could go back. 1113 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,680 I could say, "Oh, shit, yeah. I do like her." 1114 01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,680 I was like, "Ahh, gone. Ahh, actually no." 1115 01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:11,000 We went for ice cream, and then we went into a stationery shop 1116 01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,920 because my girlfriend needed stamps to send an important letter. 1117 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,880 And that was the first time I could shine with my postage knowledge 1118 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,280 and I said, 1119 01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,680 "For the large-format envelope this small stamp won't be enough." 1120 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,720 Right! I thought about that afterwards, like, "He knows a lot about this stuff." 1121 01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,440 That was something! 1122 01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:35,240 How can it be, that he didn't say anything about it the whole time? 1123 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,080 Well, you don't always have to rush into things, do you? 1124 01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,720 Sooner or later that kind of thing will come out. 1125 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,760 It definitely always comes up in conversation. 1126 01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,760 Who Max is, what he's been through. 1127 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,400 It always goes down really well. 1128 01:29:49,480 --> 01:29:53,320 -Thank you for having such a good story. -My pleasure. Happy to help. 1129 01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,360 Do you have a story that you tell people when they ask what you do for a living, 1130 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:01,920 or do you just say… nothing? 1131 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,880 -Yeah, of course. I work at the car park. -Really? That's your story? 1132 01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:07,840 -Yeah. -Okay! 1133 01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,160 [everyone laughs] 1134 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:17,280 He tends to beat about the bush and he doesn't want to tell very much. 1135 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:21,160 And that's okay, I mean… I'm not going to keep prying. 1136 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,760 He doesn't have to tell me if he doesn't want to. 1137 01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,600 [director] How important is it for you to have friends? 1138 01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,320 Uh, kind of important. 1139 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,480 Wow! 1140 01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,760 [friend] I can give a better answer than that! 1141 01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,120 Do you have a template? 1142 01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:46,160 When you're with Max, he always asks, "Do you want anything else to drink? 1143 01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,520 Do you want an ice cream? I'll get it. What do you want to eat? " 1144 01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,840 Yeah, it's really nice. Yeah. 1145 01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,240 But we still have to teach Max to ride a bike. 1146 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,680 So that's still on the list for this summer. 1147 01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:00,440 Yeah, I mean, some things you save for later. 1148 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,240 And… this year I'll be learning how to ride a bike. 1149 01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,120 I've never owned a bike, that's why. 1150 01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,040 [director] Do you worry that something could happen? 1151 01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,200 No. I mean, he's a sweetheart. 1152 01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,240 I don't think anything will happen again. 1153 01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:20,920 He'll stay with me! 1154 01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,840 His mother would probably say that, too: "He's the sweetest person in the world." 1155 01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,360 I think he will be extremely careful 1156 01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:35,920 when considering what risks he takes in the future. 1157 01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,760 In my opinion he won't be committing a second offence. 1158 01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,520 And the next question, which at this point is of course speculative: 1159 01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:46,080 "Will he even need to engage in criminal activity again?" 1160 01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:52,640 [ambient music playing] 1161 01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:08,840 [music intensifies] 1162 01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,320 [moderator] August 26th, 2020. 1163 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,840 In a raid conducted by the Leipzig police, 1164 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,160 large quantities of narcotics and cash have been seized. 1165 01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,360 Four men and one woman aged between 22 and 41 1166 01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,880 are suspected of drug trafficking. 1167 01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,640 According to the authorities investigations are still ongoing. 1168 01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,400 They're currently focusing on the examination and evaluation of evidence 1169 01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:48,600 such as the seized computer technology. 1170 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,760 MARCH 2021 1171 01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,040 Good afternoon. 1172 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,400 I have some news. 1173 01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,680 I am able to inform you today that… 1174 01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:21,760 Mr. S… is under investigation. 1175 01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,520 He has, once again, together with others, 1176 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,960 begun operating an online shop which sells illegal drugs. 1177 01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,040 The site is operating under a different name, 1178 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:40,440 but the overall approach and the design are similar to Shiny-Flakes. 1179 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,360 Mr Schmidt knows that he is under investigation 1180 01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:55,160 and that he is a suspect. 1181 01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,040 I think that the evidence is solid, 1182 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:03,840 and I anticipate that the prosecution will issue an indictment. 1183 01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,120 Yeah. 1184 01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,760 -[director] Don't want to talk about it? -No. 1185 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,840 -Why not? -Because this has nothing to do with it. 1186 01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:30,640 [pulsing electronic music playing] 1187 01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:51,560 [electronic music intensifies] 1188 01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,280 The public prosecutor's investigation into Maximilian Schmidt is still ongoing. 1189 01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,400 In the event of an indictment 1190 01:35:13,480 --> 01:35:16,200 he will be presumed innocent until the conclusion of a court case. 1191 01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,880 [electronic music continues]