1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:17,459 -(quiet rumbling) -(jet roaring) 4 00:00:17,542 --> 00:00:20,459 -(clicking) -(indistinct announcement) 5 00:00:20,542 --> 00:00:23,375 -(airport chatter) -Walter Cronkite: When he got on a plane 6 00:00:23,459 --> 00:00:24,918 in Portland, Oregon, last night, 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,667 he was just another passenger. 8 00:00:26,751 --> 00:00:29,876 But today, after hijacking a Northwest Airlines jet, 9 00:00:29,959 --> 00:00:32,709 a description on one wire service... 10 00:00:32,792 --> 00:00:34,042 master criminal. 11 00:00:34,125 --> 00:00:35,709 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:35,792 --> 00:00:39,042 Reporter 1: It was Thanksgiving Eve, 1971, when a hijacker named 13 00:00:39,125 --> 00:00:41,542 DB Cooper parachuted out of the tail door 14 00:00:41,626 --> 00:00:43,709 of a Northwest Airlines 727... 15 00:00:43,792 --> 00:00:45,918 Reporter 2: A daring parachute escape somewhere 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 between Reno and Seattle, Washington. 17 00:00:48,083 --> 00:00:49,751 (helicopter hovering) 18 00:00:49,834 --> 00:00:52,792 Reporter 3: The only unsolved airplane hijacking 19 00:00:52,876 --> 00:00:54,250 in United States history. 20 00:00:54,334 --> 00:00:57,876 Man: He demanded $200,000 and four parachutes. 21 00:00:57,959 --> 00:00:59,751 Then, he disappeared. 22 00:00:59,834 --> 00:01:01,209 Reporter 4: They really didn't know 23 00:01:01,292 --> 00:01:02,959 if the hijacker parachuted around here. 24 00:01:03,042 --> 00:01:05,417 Reporter 5: The story begins there, but how it ends? 25 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:07,083 That's the mystery. 26 00:01:07,167 --> 00:01:09,417 Reporter 6: But today, they still could not explain 27 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:11,918 what really happened to DB Cooper. 28 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,417 Reporter 7: Leaving only the question, 29 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:15,918 did the man the world now knows 30 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,459 as the legendary DB Cooper live... 31 00:01:20,417 --> 00:01:22,417 or did he die? 32 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:25,667 ♪ ♪ 33 00:01:28,417 --> 00:01:31,292 Bruce Smith: DB Cooper. Don't know his identity. 34 00:01:31,375 --> 00:01:33,167 Don't know where he came from. 35 00:01:33,250 --> 00:01:35,667 Don't know what happened to him. 36 00:01:35,751 --> 00:01:38,334 It's just one more mystery after another. 37 00:01:38,417 --> 00:01:40,500 ♪ 38 00:01:52,375 --> 00:01:56,125 Marla Cooper: I remembered my father telling me this story. 39 00:01:56,209 --> 00:02:00,042 "Don't you remember? He hijacked that airplane." 40 00:02:00,125 --> 00:02:02,209 Ben Anjewierden: He ended up being my roommate, 41 00:02:02,292 --> 00:02:06,167 and he talked an awful lot about hijacking. 42 00:02:06,250 --> 00:02:10,000 Bernie Rhodes: He knew that I was closing in on him. 43 00:02:11,626 --> 00:02:15,042 Cooper: The first thing that kind of hit in my head was 44 00:02:15,125 --> 00:02:16,792 that looks like my dad. 45 00:02:16,876 --> 00:02:19,959 ♪ ♪ 46 00:02:25,876 --> 00:02:29,167 Geoffrey Gray: It almost defied the imagination. 47 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:33,042 Defied the imagination to do it... 48 00:02:33,125 --> 00:02:36,375 and defied the imagination to get away with it. 49 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:55,334 (birds chirping) 50 00:03:02,167 --> 00:03:03,626 John Dower: DB Cooper. 51 00:03:06,042 --> 00:03:08,751 Sounds like he's been a big part of your life. 52 00:03:09,417 --> 00:03:11,375 Yeah. 53 00:03:11,459 --> 00:03:12,876 It's used up a lot of good years 54 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:15,209 that I could've put somewhere else. 55 00:03:16,459 --> 00:03:19,209 That I should have put somewhere else. 56 00:03:20,626 --> 00:03:24,500 And I lost a lot of my life. I mean, you know... 57 00:03:24,584 --> 00:03:28,876 I wish he had never told me anything. 58 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,209 (slide projector clicking, focusing) 59 00:03:31,292 --> 00:03:33,042 ♪ ♪ 60 00:03:33,125 --> 00:03:35,667 He treated me nice. He... 61 00:03:35,751 --> 00:03:37,167 When he would dance with you, 62 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:40,459 he knew exactly where to put his hand on your back. 63 00:03:40,542 --> 00:03:44,375 I mean, it was... I'd never been treated like a queen. 64 00:03:45,459 --> 00:03:48,125 (projector clicking) 65 00:03:49,834 --> 00:03:52,459 Dower: What did you know about his past life? 66 00:03:52,542 --> 00:03:54,209 Weber: I didn't ask. 67 00:03:55,209 --> 00:03:57,876 If you love someone, 68 00:03:57,959 --> 00:04:00,626 the past is not important. 69 00:04:03,292 --> 00:04:05,083 (clicking) 70 00:04:05,167 --> 00:04:08,876 We were married March the 27th, 1978. 71 00:04:12,584 --> 00:04:16,250 He died on March the 28th, 1995. 72 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,083 And that's where the story starts. 73 00:04:21,167 --> 00:04:23,584 (clicking, focusing) 74 00:04:25,167 --> 00:04:27,042 He was in the hospital 75 00:04:27,125 --> 00:04:28,500 three days before he died. 76 00:04:28,584 --> 00:04:31,667 -(ECG beeping) -(ventilator hissing) 77 00:04:31,751 --> 00:04:33,459 ♪ ♪ 78 00:04:33,542 --> 00:04:37,626 He had some kidney disease. 79 00:04:37,709 --> 00:04:40,042 At first, he allowed them to dialysize him, 80 00:04:40,125 --> 00:04:43,500 and then he removed himself from the machine. 81 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:48,167 The doctors told him he would be dead within so many days. 82 00:04:48,250 --> 00:04:51,876 When you're like that, you're going back into things. 83 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,834 Your brain takes you back to your memories. 84 00:04:55,918 --> 00:04:57,876 -(ventilator hissing) -(ECG beeping) 85 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:00,959 I went to adjust his pillow, 86 00:05:01,042 --> 00:05:03,584 and then he tries to tell me something. 87 00:05:03,667 --> 00:05:05,167 (inaudible) 88 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:07,542 He kept on rambling, rambling, 89 00:05:07,626 --> 00:05:11,042 "I buried a bucket and I don't know where-- I can't find the bucket." 90 00:05:11,125 --> 00:05:12,500 -Tim Collins: Jo. -Huh? 91 00:05:12,584 --> 00:05:13,959 You know it better than I do. 92 00:05:14,042 --> 00:05:15,918 No, the day, the day you brought him, 93 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,792 you brought him to the hospice care, 94 00:05:17,876 --> 00:05:20,959 -and you were helping him put on his pants. -Weber: Uh-huh. 95 00:05:21,042 --> 00:05:23,125 And you asked him about his knee. 96 00:05:23,209 --> 00:05:26,125 Yeah. He said he hurt it jumping out of a plane. 97 00:05:26,209 --> 00:05:29,000 Right. Then, you got to hospice care... 98 00:05:29,083 --> 00:05:30,292 ♪ ♪ 99 00:05:30,375 --> 00:05:32,042 And when the nurses left, 100 00:05:32,125 --> 00:05:34,709 he wanted to tell you a secret. He says, "Come closer." 101 00:05:34,792 --> 00:05:37,209 -And you thought he wanted a cigarette. -Weber: Yeah. 102 00:05:37,292 --> 00:05:40,417 -Collins: So start, start with that. -Weber: Right. 103 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:42,500 (beeping) 104 00:05:42,584 --> 00:05:45,792 He says, "Jo, you and I've got to talk." 105 00:05:46,459 --> 00:05:48,083 (inaudible) 106 00:05:48,167 --> 00:05:51,167 He was trying to tell me who he was. 107 00:05:51,250 --> 00:05:53,959 He says-- talking about jump out of a plane. 108 00:05:54,042 --> 00:05:57,667 I said, "You jump out of a plane? Come on. Gimme a break." 109 00:05:57,751 --> 00:06:01,792 And that's when he... I'm gonna say a bad word. 110 00:06:01,876 --> 00:06:04,209 That's when he shouted, "Oh, fuck! 111 00:06:04,292 --> 00:06:06,500 Let it die with me." Well, then they came in 112 00:06:06,584 --> 00:06:09,042 and started giving him injections. 113 00:06:09,125 --> 00:06:11,125 He still kept trying to tell me the story. 114 00:06:11,209 --> 00:06:14,375 I did not know what he was talking about. 115 00:06:14,459 --> 00:06:17,626 Dower: But there was one key thing he said to you. 116 00:06:17,709 --> 00:06:20,959 "I'm Dan Cooper." 117 00:06:21,042 --> 00:06:24,083 (ECG continuous beep) 118 00:06:24,167 --> 00:06:25,709 ♪ ♪ 119 00:06:25,792 --> 00:06:28,209 Those were his last words... 120 00:06:29,042 --> 00:06:31,667 except, "I love you." 121 00:06:36,542 --> 00:06:38,667 Dower: What did you do next? 122 00:06:38,751 --> 00:06:40,876 Called the FBI. 123 00:06:42,542 --> 00:06:45,626 ♪ ♪ 124 00:06:46,876 --> 00:06:49,626 Narrator 1: The jet age is now here. 125 00:06:49,709 --> 00:06:52,042 The advent of commercial flying 126 00:06:52,125 --> 00:06:53,542 by jet clipper. 127 00:06:53,626 --> 00:06:55,250 Near sonic speed, 128 00:06:55,334 --> 00:06:58,918 but inside, one of the most stunning discoveries. 129 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,167 There is no feeling of movement at all. 130 00:07:01,250 --> 00:07:03,125 (jet whirring) 131 00:07:03,209 --> 00:07:05,209 Narrator 2: Now, over 400 flights a day 132 00:07:05,292 --> 00:07:08,792 by 22 airlines serving over 80 destinations. 133 00:07:08,876 --> 00:07:10,209 You'll find this airplane 134 00:07:10,292 --> 00:07:12,334 much more roomy than the ones you've been used to. 135 00:07:12,417 --> 00:07:15,542 ♪ 136 00:07:17,751 --> 00:07:20,125 Narrator 3: If this is what comes with the coffee, 137 00:07:20,209 --> 00:07:22,626 you can imagine what goes before. 138 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:30,292 Tina Mucklow: Let's see if I can find anything else. 139 00:07:30,375 --> 00:07:32,542 Some letters... 140 00:07:32,626 --> 00:07:34,459 My name is Tina, 141 00:07:34,542 --> 00:07:38,292 and, um, I was hijacked 142 00:07:38,375 --> 00:07:40,459 many years ago. 143 00:07:42,125 --> 00:07:44,459 -Dower: There's you. -Mucklow: And there's me. 144 00:07:45,417 --> 00:07:48,000 Think I must've been 20 or 21 145 00:07:48,083 --> 00:07:50,751 at the time of the hijacking. 146 00:07:50,834 --> 00:07:54,667 They painted the job as being glamorous, and it... 147 00:07:54,751 --> 00:07:58,876 I guess, to a certain extent, it was glamorous. 148 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,083 Narrator: When a Braniff International hostess 149 00:08:01,167 --> 00:08:03,125 meets you on the airplane... 150 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:06,250 she'll be dressed like this. 151 00:08:06,334 --> 00:08:07,792 ♪ ♪ 152 00:08:07,876 --> 00:08:09,042 Pilot: I believe that 153 00:08:09,125 --> 00:08:12,167 for every dollar that our passengers give us, 154 00:08:12,250 --> 00:08:14,667 they're gonna get $1.50 back in terms of service. 155 00:08:14,751 --> 00:08:17,375 We do it because we want to and not because we have to. 156 00:08:17,459 --> 00:08:21,000 Mucklow: We signed a contract that we wouldn't gain 157 00:08:21,083 --> 00:08:24,542 over a certain amount of weight, but when I was hired, 158 00:08:24,626 --> 00:08:27,918 even if you were married and you became pregnant, 159 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,167 you had to resign. 160 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:33,542 Plus one thing no other airline can ever offer. 161 00:08:34,083 --> 00:08:35,375 Me. 162 00:08:35,459 --> 00:08:37,876 It was a different world. 163 00:08:37,959 --> 00:08:40,125 Another airplane has been hijacked. 164 00:08:40,209 --> 00:08:43,000 This time by a gunman who said he wanted to go to Cuba 165 00:08:43,083 --> 00:08:46,918 because he said he was tired of TV dinners. 166 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,542 ♪ ♪ 167 00:08:48,626 --> 00:08:50,709 John Chancellor: Governments of Cuba and the United States 168 00:08:50,792 --> 00:08:53,667 are talking about getting together to curb hijacking. 169 00:08:53,751 --> 00:08:56,209 The only time American planes go to Cuba 170 00:08:56,292 --> 00:08:57,959 is when they've been hijacked. 171 00:08:58,042 --> 00:08:59,626 (siren blaring) 172 00:08:59,709 --> 00:09:02,167 William Rataczak: There was a fair amount of frequency of hijacks. 173 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:05,417 Typically Cuban nationals 174 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:08,500 who wanted to return to their homeland. 175 00:09:08,584 --> 00:09:11,626 Everybody on the airplane would get a bottle of rum 176 00:09:11,709 --> 00:09:14,792 and a couple of cigars and got back on the airplane 177 00:09:14,876 --> 00:09:18,167 and flew home and thought it was really a fun thing. 178 00:09:19,375 --> 00:09:22,417 But this one was different because it was 179 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:25,626 a hijacking demanding money. 180 00:09:25,709 --> 00:09:28,792 ♪ ♪ 181 00:09:31,667 --> 00:09:33,751 Bill Mitchell: I was coming home for Thanksgiving 182 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:36,334 from the University of Oregon. 183 00:09:36,417 --> 00:09:40,500 I had run into Portland Airport. 184 00:09:40,584 --> 00:09:44,459 I threw down cash. 185 00:09:44,542 --> 00:09:46,250 This is 50 years ago, 186 00:09:46,334 --> 00:09:48,334 and there was no... 187 00:09:48,417 --> 00:09:50,959 metal detectors. It was just... 188 00:09:51,042 --> 00:09:53,834 a different era. 189 00:09:53,918 --> 00:09:56,459 Bob Fuhriman: All you had to have was a ticket 190 00:09:57,292 --> 00:09:58,626 to get on the flight. 191 00:09:58,709 --> 00:10:01,000 Dower: Security? 192 00:10:01,083 --> 00:10:02,834 What? (laughs) 193 00:10:02,918 --> 00:10:05,334 (plane idling) 194 00:10:05,417 --> 00:10:06,626 Mitchell: You just walked up 195 00:10:06,709 --> 00:10:10,584 the back steps of the stairs and sat down. 196 00:10:12,792 --> 00:10:15,459 He sat 197 00:10:15,542 --> 00:10:17,459 in the middle seat 198 00:10:17,542 --> 00:10:20,250 on the back row on the right. 199 00:10:20,334 --> 00:10:22,292 ♪ ♪ 200 00:10:22,375 --> 00:10:25,209 This guy in this suit and tie, 201 00:10:25,292 --> 00:10:27,000 he had sunglasses on, 202 00:10:27,083 --> 00:10:29,083 and it was dark. 203 00:10:29,876 --> 00:10:32,250 And I thought... 204 00:10:32,334 --> 00:10:34,375 that's not very cool. 205 00:10:34,459 --> 00:10:39,209 Rataczak: Florence Schaffner, the number two stewardess, was... 206 00:10:39,292 --> 00:10:41,375 tending to the passengers when they came in, 207 00:10:41,459 --> 00:10:42,751 helping them find their seats 208 00:10:42,834 --> 00:10:46,834 and magazine handouts and what have you. 209 00:10:46,918 --> 00:10:50,375 Um, and he gave her this note. 210 00:10:52,042 --> 00:10:56,083 And she thought he was hitting on her. 211 00:10:56,167 --> 00:10:58,292 So she tucked it in her coat pocket, 212 00:10:58,375 --> 00:11:00,417 if you will, her jacket pocket. 213 00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:02,000 Finally, he said, 214 00:11:02,083 --> 00:11:04,083 "Miss, I want you to read that note." 215 00:11:05,417 --> 00:11:08,751 Just as we were starting to roll down the runway... 216 00:11:08,834 --> 00:11:10,083 (PA announcement) 217 00:11:10,167 --> 00:11:12,584 the flight attendant next to me, Flo, 218 00:11:12,667 --> 00:11:15,083 handed me this note, 219 00:11:15,167 --> 00:11:17,250 and it said, um, 220 00:11:17,334 --> 00:11:19,918 "Miss, you're, um... 221 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,626 you're being hijacked. I've got a bomb. Come sit next to me." 222 00:11:23,709 --> 00:11:27,667 ♪ ♪ 223 00:11:27,751 --> 00:11:30,876 He opened the briefcase and showed me that 224 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:34,667 there were these, what looked like, dynamite. 225 00:11:34,751 --> 00:11:37,834 They were strapped together with electrician's tape, 226 00:11:37,918 --> 00:11:40,542 and out of it was running wire, 227 00:11:40,626 --> 00:11:44,167 and there was a large battery. 228 00:11:45,334 --> 00:11:47,709 And he also expressed 229 00:11:47,792 --> 00:11:50,125 that he wasn't going to be taken alive. 230 00:11:50,209 --> 00:11:52,334 (plane chatter) 231 00:11:52,417 --> 00:11:54,375 Rataczak: We were rolling down the runway. 232 00:11:54,459 --> 00:11:56,584 All of a sudden, we hear chimes. 233 00:11:56,667 --> 00:11:59,751 -(chiming) -One chime is usually, 234 00:11:59,834 --> 00:12:02,417 "Would you like a cup of coffee?" 235 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:04,042 Harold Anderson: Immediately followed by 236 00:12:04,125 --> 00:12:05,626 a number of rings. 237 00:12:05,709 --> 00:12:07,667 -(ringing) -Rataczak: When a series of chimes rings, 238 00:12:07,751 --> 00:12:10,334 that is an emergency. 239 00:12:10,417 --> 00:12:13,834 And it was Tina Mucklow that came on-- 240 00:12:13,918 --> 00:12:16,459 on the interphone, and she said, 241 00:12:16,542 --> 00:12:20,209 "We are being hijacked, and I'm serious." 242 00:12:20,292 --> 00:12:22,083 But it was too late to abort the takeoff. 243 00:12:22,167 --> 00:12:25,083 (jet engines roaring) 244 00:12:25,167 --> 00:12:27,751 ♪ ♪ 245 00:12:27,834 --> 00:12:31,584 Mitchell: I did think, you know, this is, I guess, 246 00:12:31,667 --> 00:12:34,042 my college sophomore ego. 247 00:12:34,125 --> 00:12:35,918 But I couldn't quite figure out 248 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,167 why this young flight attendant 249 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:40,792 would be sitting next 250 00:12:40,876 --> 00:12:44,542 and talking to this guy. 251 00:12:44,626 --> 00:12:48,000 Mucklow: He had ordered a drink, a bourbon. 252 00:12:48,083 --> 00:12:51,626 He was a smoker, and I actually lit 253 00:12:51,709 --> 00:12:53,459 several of his cigarettes 254 00:12:53,542 --> 00:12:57,542 because he didn't wanna take his finger off that trigger. 255 00:12:59,167 --> 00:13:01,876 I said a prayer for the passengers, 256 00:13:01,959 --> 00:13:05,292 and for the crew, and... 257 00:13:05,375 --> 00:13:07,876 for the hijacker as well. 258 00:13:07,959 --> 00:13:11,209 Um, you know, I didn't know what his history was. 259 00:13:13,209 --> 00:13:14,709 I wanted to run. 260 00:13:14,792 --> 00:13:16,918 But, you know, on a 727, 261 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,709 there's no place to run. 262 00:13:18,792 --> 00:13:21,709 ♪ ♪ 263 00:13:21,792 --> 00:13:24,918 (insects chirping) 264 00:13:27,125 --> 00:13:29,209 -Dower: If you could mentally time travel... -Ron Forman: Yeah. 265 00:13:29,292 --> 00:13:31,459 Dower: ...go back to that very first day. 266 00:13:31,542 --> 00:13:34,375 Pat Forman: I was just hanging out at the airport, as always, 267 00:13:34,459 --> 00:13:36,459 and Ron took 268 00:13:36,542 --> 00:13:38,042 a break, and he said, 269 00:13:38,125 --> 00:13:40,417 "Let's go over and talk to that lady 270 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:41,834 that's out there on the field." 271 00:13:41,918 --> 00:13:43,876 ♪ ♪ 272 00:13:43,959 --> 00:13:45,626 Ron: Every weekend, if the weather was good, 273 00:13:45,709 --> 00:13:47,792 she was up flying. And if it was a rainy day, 274 00:13:47,876 --> 00:13:49,417 she would just be sitting in her car, 275 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:51,500 you know, if it's pouring down, always by herself. 276 00:13:51,584 --> 00:13:53,667 And I thought there was something unusual about her, 277 00:13:53,751 --> 00:13:55,125 but I didn't know what, 278 00:13:55,209 --> 00:13:57,459 so that's why I decided, let's go talk to her, right? 279 00:13:58,876 --> 00:14:01,167 And then, Ron was telling her 280 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:04,125 that he had just got his pilot's license, 281 00:14:04,209 --> 00:14:07,000 and he was actually flying 282 00:14:07,083 --> 00:14:09,209 for the Kiwanis Club to build up hours 283 00:14:09,292 --> 00:14:11,125 to get a commercial license. 284 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,542 Dower: And what was she like as a pilot? 285 00:14:15,626 --> 00:14:17,209 -Pat: Oh, man. (laughs) -Ron: Great. 286 00:14:17,292 --> 00:14:20,250 -She was great. And she was daring. -Pat: She was a great pilot. 287 00:14:20,334 --> 00:14:23,042 -She had all the talents, I mean... -She had all the talents. 288 00:14:23,125 --> 00:14:25,667 Pat: She was parachuting. 289 00:14:25,751 --> 00:14:28,792 Ron: Then, after that, she came over every Sunday night. 290 00:14:28,876 --> 00:14:31,250 When she came over, after we knew her a year, right? 291 00:14:31,334 --> 00:14:33,500 That's when she told us, you know... 292 00:14:33,584 --> 00:14:35,083 You-you-you tell that story. 293 00:14:35,167 --> 00:14:37,876 ♪ ♪ 294 00:14:37,959 --> 00:14:42,125 Pat: Well, she came over one Sunday night, as usual. 295 00:14:42,209 --> 00:14:45,959 She said that she had something that she had to tell us. 296 00:14:46,042 --> 00:14:49,250 All of a sudden, I had this funny feeling. 297 00:14:49,334 --> 00:14:51,083 It was really weird. 298 00:14:51,167 --> 00:14:53,334 I started forming in my mind that... 299 00:14:54,751 --> 00:14:57,459 maybe she used to be a man. 300 00:14:57,542 --> 00:15:00,834 Can that be possible? Can they do that? 301 00:15:00,918 --> 00:15:02,876 Barb stopped talking in the middle of talking, 302 00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:04,542 and she told Ron, she says, 303 00:15:04,626 --> 00:15:06,959 "Well, your wife knows now." 304 00:15:07,042 --> 00:15:09,125 (laughs) 305 00:15:09,209 --> 00:15:11,542 Then she started telling us all the details 306 00:15:11,626 --> 00:15:13,417 of what she had gone through, 307 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:15,667 and why she had gone through it. 308 00:15:17,167 --> 00:15:19,292 Ron: She was the first woman to have a sex change 309 00:15:19,375 --> 00:15:21,250 -in Washington. -Dower: Or the first man. 310 00:15:21,334 --> 00:15:25,459 -Yeah, first man! Yeah, first man. Yeah. -(laughing) 311 00:15:25,542 --> 00:15:28,751 Dower: What was she called before she had the sex change? 312 00:15:28,834 --> 00:15:31,292 Pat: Her name was Robert Dayton. 313 00:15:32,292 --> 00:15:33,334 (click) 314 00:15:33,417 --> 00:15:38,083 Dower: How did DB Cooper first come up? 315 00:15:38,167 --> 00:15:41,626 Pat: The pilots always are discussing DB Cooper. 316 00:15:41,709 --> 00:15:43,876 -Dower: Well it's this area? -Ron: Yeah, it's this area right here. 317 00:15:43,959 --> 00:15:47,042 And it's one of the, you know, a great mystery, you know? 318 00:15:47,125 --> 00:15:48,667 Pat: Every time there was an article 319 00:15:48,751 --> 00:15:50,626 that said that DB Cooper was an idiot, 320 00:15:50,709 --> 00:15:52,667 -that he did stupid things... -Common criminal. 321 00:15:52,751 --> 00:15:55,542 He was a common criminal, she would actually get angry. 322 00:15:55,626 --> 00:15:56,959 ♪ ♪ 323 00:15:57,042 --> 00:15:59,667 -She just went off. -Ron: She really defended DB Cooper. 324 00:15:59,751 --> 00:16:01,042 I just looked at her, 325 00:16:01,125 --> 00:16:03,042 and I don't know what made me say it, I just said, 326 00:16:03,125 --> 00:16:06,375 "You know what? I know who DB Cooper is. It's Barb." 327 00:16:06,459 --> 00:16:07,834 And, man, all of a sudden, 328 00:16:07,918 --> 00:16:11,167 she just stared at me, gave me a really dirty look. 329 00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:13,292 She says, "Don't ever say that again." 330 00:16:15,125 --> 00:16:17,334 So I thought that was kinda unusual. 331 00:16:17,417 --> 00:16:20,042 -(birds chirping) -(plane flying) 332 00:16:20,125 --> 00:16:21,792 And then, it was a few-- 333 00:16:21,876 --> 00:16:24,667 -a week or two later, right? She came over. And I... -Pat: Right. 334 00:16:24,751 --> 00:16:27,751 happened to have a newspaper article about it, you know, 335 00:16:27,834 --> 00:16:30,000 with a picture of DB Cooper, the sketch. 336 00:16:30,083 --> 00:16:32,709 I said, "Let me comb your hair to the side." 337 00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:35,584 So we combed it to the side, and we put sunglasses on, 338 00:16:35,667 --> 00:16:37,500 and we had one of the old Instamatic cameras. 339 00:16:37,584 --> 00:16:40,792 You know, you take a picture, and it develops. 340 00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:43,083 -(flash) -We were watching it develop, 341 00:16:43,167 --> 00:16:45,542 and I looked at the sketch, and I said, "Jesus Christ." 342 00:16:45,626 --> 00:16:49,042 I said, "She really matches. 343 00:16:49,125 --> 00:16:51,083 I think maybe she is DB Cooper." 344 00:16:51,167 --> 00:16:52,459 ♪ ♪ 345 00:16:52,542 --> 00:16:54,042 Pat: We had another couple here. 346 00:16:54,125 --> 00:16:56,959 Ron: A couple here, too, a young couple here, too. 347 00:16:57,042 --> 00:16:59,417 And we all kind of just were sitting around the table 348 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,751 with our mouths open, watching her, like, 349 00:17:01,834 --> 00:17:05,500 what is she-- what is she doing here? 350 00:17:05,584 --> 00:17:07,334 And all of a sudden, she realized 351 00:17:07,417 --> 00:17:10,375 nobody was talking. We were all sitting there staring at her. 352 00:17:10,459 --> 00:17:12,459 And then she, 353 00:17:12,542 --> 00:17:16,167 you know, she said, "Well," she says, "Okay. 354 00:17:18,417 --> 00:17:21,626 I am Dan Cooper." 355 00:17:21,709 --> 00:17:24,542 Ron: The couple that was with us, she panicked. 356 00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:26,459 -She just started screaming. -(screaming) 357 00:17:26,542 --> 00:17:28,167 "We're all going to jail now," you know. 358 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:30,292 And she just went into a panic, and she just tore it 359 00:17:30,375 --> 00:17:32,042 into little bitty pieces. 360 00:17:32,125 --> 00:17:34,334 Threw it down, and they went home. 361 00:17:34,417 --> 00:17:36,959 ♪ ♪ 362 00:17:37,042 --> 00:17:40,083 We just spent another sleepless night 363 00:17:40,167 --> 00:17:42,751 just like we did when she told us 364 00:17:42,834 --> 00:17:45,918 she was a man because we were... 365 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,542 what if this is true? I mean, 366 00:17:48,626 --> 00:17:50,209 what if, uh, 367 00:17:50,292 --> 00:17:51,626 she starts thinking about it, 368 00:17:51,709 --> 00:17:53,751 and she just told us this, and she comes back here 369 00:17:53,834 --> 00:17:56,834 -and kills us? (laughs) -Yeah, 'cause we know this secret, you know. 370 00:17:56,918 --> 00:18:00,167 (projector clicking, whirring) 371 00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:03,334 Pat: I don't think I wanted to believe it actually. 372 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:08,292 ♪ ♪ 373 00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:11,959 But then there kept being more and more and more things 374 00:18:12,042 --> 00:18:15,250 that were popping up. 375 00:18:15,334 --> 00:18:18,709 Then she started giving us details about the jump. 376 00:18:18,792 --> 00:18:21,250 She said she jumped from 10,000 feet. 377 00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:24,375 She kept the chute. She didn't open the chute till 1,000 feet. 378 00:18:24,459 --> 00:18:27,292 Pat: She told us that she had tied 379 00:18:27,375 --> 00:18:30,626 -the money belt around her waist... -The strap around. 380 00:18:30,709 --> 00:18:32,751 ...in a manner that, um, 381 00:18:32,834 --> 00:18:35,167 -she could use it as a depth finder. -Depth finder. 382 00:18:36,542 --> 00:18:39,626 And she described the dynamite to us, too, right? 383 00:18:39,709 --> 00:18:42,042 And I said, "Was it real dynamite, Barb?" 384 00:18:42,125 --> 00:18:43,792 "I don't do anything phony," she said. 385 00:18:43,876 --> 00:18:46,083 -Got mad at me because I brought that up. -(laughing) 386 00:18:46,167 --> 00:18:48,209 ♪ ♪ 387 00:18:48,292 --> 00:18:52,209 Pat: She told us that she landed in the field near Woodburn. 388 00:18:52,292 --> 00:18:55,876 Which is a perfect place. There is the Interstate 5, 389 00:18:55,959 --> 00:18:57,918 the freeway, there's lights there. 390 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,584 Did the jump, changed her clothes, 391 00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:01,167 took off her suit and tie, 392 00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:03,667 put a blonde wig on. 393 00:19:03,751 --> 00:19:05,042 A policeman could've picked her up. 394 00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:06,918 Could've hitchhiked home, they would have never-- 395 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,083 She's got a wig on. She's a woman. 396 00:19:09,167 --> 00:19:11,542 Who's gonna-- who's gonna stop her? 397 00:19:20,417 --> 00:19:24,334 ♪ ♪ 398 00:19:24,417 --> 00:19:26,209 Dower: So what happened next? 399 00:19:27,626 --> 00:19:32,250 Anderson: Well, once we got into the climb, 400 00:19:32,334 --> 00:19:34,751 Florence Schaffner came up to the cockpit 401 00:19:34,834 --> 00:19:38,334 with the other note that had all of the demands on it. 402 00:19:41,292 --> 00:19:45,459 $200,000 in negotiable currency, 403 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,918 four parachutes, 404 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,042 fuel truck standing by, 405 00:19:51,209 --> 00:19:54,167 and, "no fuzz." 406 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:57,209 Rataczak: That got us thinking that 407 00:19:57,292 --> 00:20:00,167 this guy is no dummy. Four parachutes. 408 00:20:00,250 --> 00:20:03,209 One for him, and one for each one of us. 409 00:20:03,292 --> 00:20:05,292 That was our concern that 410 00:20:05,375 --> 00:20:08,751 he wanted us to bail with him. 411 00:20:08,834 --> 00:20:13,417 I get a hold of our company in Seattle on our 412 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,000 discrete frequency, 413 00:20:15,083 --> 00:20:18,292 and tell them what's going on. 414 00:20:18,375 --> 00:20:20,959 So, the FBI was involved stat. 415 00:20:21,042 --> 00:20:23,834 -(phones ringing) -(office chatter) 416 00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:25,792 Fuhriman: I remember being in the office, 417 00:20:25,876 --> 00:20:29,876 and all of a sudden, over the PA system, came an announcement. 418 00:20:29,959 --> 00:20:32,000 Man (on PA): Attention all agents. 419 00:20:32,083 --> 00:20:33,667 We've had a hijacking. 420 00:20:33,751 --> 00:20:35,417 Then a few minutes later, the boss, 421 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:36,959 the special agent in charge, 422 00:20:37,042 --> 00:20:38,459 came out of his office and grabbed me. 423 00:20:38,542 --> 00:20:40,751 He says, "You're driving me to the airport. Let's go." 424 00:20:40,834 --> 00:20:43,918 ♪ ♪ 425 00:20:45,542 --> 00:20:47,876 In any hijacking, or a case like that, 426 00:20:47,959 --> 00:20:50,417 potentially lives are at stake. 427 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:51,918 But I just remember he was saying, 428 00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:53,834 "Get me there. Let's go." 429 00:20:53,918 --> 00:20:56,709 (plane humming) 430 00:20:56,792 --> 00:20:59,500 I asked Scotty, I said, "Scotty, do you think I should make a PA 431 00:20:59,584 --> 00:21:02,542 "and kinda keep people from roaming around the airplane 432 00:21:02,626 --> 00:21:04,042 while we're trying to get organized here?" 433 00:21:04,125 --> 00:21:06,083 And he said, "I think that's a good idea." 434 00:21:07,542 --> 00:21:10,083 My mother and dad told me never to lie, but... 435 00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:13,125 I told a fib, 436 00:21:13,209 --> 00:21:15,792 and I told them that we had a mechanical problem, 437 00:21:15,876 --> 00:21:17,292 but it was no great consequence. 438 00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:18,959 It was just something that we're gonna-- 439 00:21:19,042 --> 00:21:20,876 We're gonna go up into a holding pattern, 440 00:21:20,959 --> 00:21:23,959 most passengers will refer to it as circling. 441 00:21:24,042 --> 00:21:26,667 (engines roaring) 442 00:21:26,751 --> 00:21:29,292 -(siren blaring) -Fuhriman: We had no plan. 443 00:21:29,375 --> 00:21:31,500 The boss is talking to Northwest Airline people, 444 00:21:31,584 --> 00:21:33,751 the airport people, the airport police. 445 00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,876 Everybody was coordinating who's gonna do what, 446 00:21:35,959 --> 00:21:38,209 how do we handle this? What do we do? 447 00:21:38,292 --> 00:21:40,626 (engines roaring) 448 00:21:42,584 --> 00:21:44,083 Mucklow: I did ask him 449 00:21:44,167 --> 00:21:46,542 did he have a grudge with the airline. 450 00:21:46,626 --> 00:21:48,042 (inaudible) 451 00:21:48,125 --> 00:21:50,751 He said, "No. I don't have a grudge 452 00:21:50,834 --> 00:21:53,459 with the airline, but I do have a grudge." 453 00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:56,584 ♪ 454 00:22:02,751 --> 00:22:03,709 (tires screech) 455 00:22:03,792 --> 00:22:06,459 ♪ ♪ 456 00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,792 Fuhriman: Upon landing in Seattle, 457 00:22:08,876 --> 00:22:10,667 the money, 458 00:22:10,751 --> 00:22:13,209 the parachutes were brought out. 459 00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:16,167 One of the flight attendants 460 00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:18,209 was allowed to get off and pick those up. 461 00:22:21,667 --> 00:22:23,083 I got the money, 462 00:22:23,167 --> 00:22:25,417 brought it back to him. 463 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,584 And then, we asked 464 00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:30,751 if he would allow the passengers off. 465 00:22:30,834 --> 00:22:32,959 And once he had the money, 466 00:22:33,042 --> 00:22:35,292 he was okay with passengers getting off. 467 00:22:35,375 --> 00:22:37,918 (siren blaring) 468 00:22:41,125 --> 00:22:43,292 Mitchell: It was dark, rainy... 469 00:22:45,167 --> 00:22:47,042 and we are... 470 00:22:47,125 --> 00:22:49,918 miles away from Sea-Tac terminal. 471 00:22:51,167 --> 00:22:54,709 A stairs came up, portable stairs. 472 00:22:54,792 --> 00:22:56,918 And as we all walked down, 473 00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:58,876 we were all kinda standing there, 474 00:22:58,959 --> 00:23:01,667 and somebody on the plane said, 475 00:23:01,751 --> 00:23:04,792 "Hey, we-- we were hijacked." 476 00:23:04,876 --> 00:23:06,792 We didn't know anything was happening. 477 00:23:06,876 --> 00:23:08,250 Nobody knew anything was happening. 478 00:23:08,334 --> 00:23:10,375 -Reporter: When did you find out? -After we landed. 479 00:23:10,459 --> 00:23:11,751 When they brought the money aboard. 480 00:23:11,834 --> 00:23:15,125 The crew kept us ignorant of what was taking place, 481 00:23:15,209 --> 00:23:17,209 I guess to avoid a panic. 482 00:23:17,292 --> 00:23:19,375 And so, we really didn't know what was taking place. 483 00:23:19,459 --> 00:23:21,626 We cruised around for two and a half hours up there. 484 00:23:21,709 --> 00:23:24,751 Wasn't until we got off the plane, got near a vehicle, 485 00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:27,417 and it looked like a money bag was being handed over. 486 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,417 I then thought of a statement 487 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:33,375 that I'd heard early on right as we were just in the air 488 00:23:33,459 --> 00:23:35,792 a few minutes when one of the stewardesses said, 489 00:23:35,876 --> 00:23:38,751 "Keep the curtain open so he can see." 490 00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:42,250 (birds cawing) 491 00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:48,000 Dower: Nice room. 492 00:23:48,083 --> 00:23:50,751 It's very, um, "Twin Peaks." 493 00:23:51,626 --> 00:23:54,125 (Cooper laughs) 494 00:23:54,209 --> 00:23:57,209 Cooper: Well, back when that show as on, apparently, 495 00:23:57,292 --> 00:23:58,792 I looked a lot like the dead girl. 496 00:23:58,876 --> 00:24:00,626 And I would hear it all the time. "You look like 497 00:24:00,709 --> 00:24:02,959 the dead girl in 'Twin Peaks.'" (laughs) 498 00:24:03,751 --> 00:24:05,751 Dower: Now... 499 00:24:05,834 --> 00:24:07,876 why am I here, sitting talking to you? 500 00:24:07,959 --> 00:24:11,125 What's, what's your-- Where do you come into the story? 501 00:24:11,209 --> 00:24:13,500 ♪ ♪ 502 00:24:13,584 --> 00:24:15,876 Cooper: It was 1971. 503 00:24:15,959 --> 00:24:19,792 We were back in my grandmother's home in Oregon, 504 00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:22,667 a couple days before Thanksgiving. 505 00:24:22,751 --> 00:24:26,375 And my uncles, LD and Dewey, are there. 506 00:24:26,459 --> 00:24:28,834 (projector clicking, focusing) 507 00:24:32,542 --> 00:24:34,751 I was always intrigued by them. 508 00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:36,459 They were really rowdy. 509 00:24:36,542 --> 00:24:39,167 And on this particular Thanksgiving, 510 00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:41,959 we go out in the woods near my grandmother's house, 511 00:24:42,042 --> 00:24:46,000 and I'm walking along with Uncle LD, just shadowing him. 512 00:24:46,083 --> 00:24:47,792 (birds chirping) 513 00:24:47,876 --> 00:24:52,000 I had a great affection for him. 514 00:24:52,083 --> 00:24:55,626 He was a very sweet man and... 515 00:24:55,709 --> 00:24:59,167 always my favorite in my dad's family. 516 00:25:00,626 --> 00:25:02,709 They were talking about 517 00:25:02,792 --> 00:25:04,918 something they were plotting, and I, 518 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,250 I said, "What are you doing? What are you up to? 519 00:25:07,334 --> 00:25:08,751 What's going on?" 520 00:25:08,834 --> 00:25:11,584 -(dogs barking) -And they said, "Oh, 521 00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:13,792 we're gonna go hunting tomorrow morning." 522 00:25:13,876 --> 00:25:15,167 I said, "Are you going turkey hunting? 523 00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:17,083 Because it's almost Thanksgiving, 524 00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:19,500 and I'm really looking forward to a turkey. 525 00:25:19,584 --> 00:25:21,959 And, and they kinda laughed. 526 00:25:22,042 --> 00:25:23,417 "Yeah, we're gonna go-- 527 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,209 we're gonna go shoot us a great big turkey." 528 00:25:25,292 --> 00:25:27,042 And they're just sort of playing a game 529 00:25:27,125 --> 00:25:28,542 of mental keep-away with me. 530 00:25:28,626 --> 00:25:30,626 Like they've got a secret. What they're telling me 531 00:25:30,709 --> 00:25:33,959 is not the whole truth, and so I keep probing, 532 00:25:34,042 --> 00:25:35,834 trying to get information out of them, 533 00:25:35,918 --> 00:25:37,709 and they're not talking about it. 534 00:25:37,792 --> 00:25:40,459 They're just taunting me with this story of a turkey hunt. 535 00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:47,417 And so early the next morning, I'm waiting in the driveway. 536 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,792 And they came driving up, and I came 537 00:25:49,876 --> 00:25:52,125 running to the side of the car. 538 00:25:52,209 --> 00:25:55,292 ♪ ♪ 539 00:25:57,083 --> 00:25:59,959 And I looked in the passenger seat, 540 00:26:00,042 --> 00:26:02,667 and there was my Uncle LD, 541 00:26:02,751 --> 00:26:06,334 in a white T-shirt that had blood all over it, 542 00:26:06,417 --> 00:26:08,500 and he's nearly unconscious. 543 00:26:08,584 --> 00:26:11,417 ♪ ♪ 544 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,751 "Daddy, Daddy! Come out here! Uncle LD's hurt!" 545 00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:18,417 And my dad came running out of the house, 546 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:21,042 and ordered me to go back inside. 547 00:26:21,125 --> 00:26:22,709 But I didn't go back inside. 548 00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,334 -(barking) -And then I heard Uncle Dewey say, 549 00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,959 "Well, we did it. We hijacked the airplane. 550 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,959 We're rich. Our money problems are over." 551 00:26:35,250 --> 00:26:38,209 As soon as my uncles left, my dad sat me down, 552 00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:41,792 and he swore me to secrecy, telling me 553 00:26:41,876 --> 00:26:43,500 it's a matter of life and death. 554 00:26:43,584 --> 00:26:46,292 "You cannot talk about this to anybody." 555 00:26:51,626 --> 00:26:54,250 I was 8 years old, and now, 556 00:26:54,334 --> 00:26:55,959 I am left 557 00:26:56,042 --> 00:26:58,375 with keeping a secret that 558 00:26:58,459 --> 00:27:02,125 one of them is hurt horribly, and... 559 00:27:03,542 --> 00:27:07,542 and not able to talk about what I'd seen that morning. 560 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,292 (engines roaring) 561 00:27:14,083 --> 00:27:17,167 ♪ ♪ 562 00:27:19,292 --> 00:27:21,918 Fuhriman: We know the destination was supposed to be Reno, Nevada, 563 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,250 and he wanted to go further south from that, 564 00:27:24,334 --> 00:27:27,209 I believe into Mexico as I recall. 565 00:27:27,292 --> 00:27:28,959 But... (clears throat) 566 00:27:29,751 --> 00:27:31,125 we didn't know. 567 00:27:34,626 --> 00:27:36,542 Rataczak: I guess I said something about, 568 00:27:36,626 --> 00:27:39,459 "Oh goody. Maybe he wants to go to Acapulco. 569 00:27:39,542 --> 00:27:40,834 (laughs) 570 00:27:40,918 --> 00:27:43,292 That beats Seattle on a rainy night." 571 00:27:43,375 --> 00:27:45,334 -(radio chatter) -We got rid of the people. 572 00:27:45,417 --> 00:27:48,000 We got rid of two of the three stewardesses. 573 00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:51,667 We have a supposedly calm... 574 00:27:51,751 --> 00:27:53,250 guy back there, 575 00:27:53,334 --> 00:27:55,250 and Tina is still there. 576 00:27:57,709 --> 00:28:00,751 Mucklow: I brought him to the back of the airplane. 577 00:28:00,834 --> 00:28:03,375 I was trying to keep him, 578 00:28:03,459 --> 00:28:05,584 and probably myself, 579 00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:08,542 grounded (laughs) and calm. 580 00:28:10,292 --> 00:28:14,876 Whenever I could, I tried to engage the intercom, 581 00:28:14,959 --> 00:28:16,751 and I would just leave it engaged, 582 00:28:16,834 --> 00:28:18,834 so the cockpit could hear 583 00:28:18,918 --> 00:28:21,417 some of the conversation that was going on. 584 00:28:23,125 --> 00:28:27,834 So I think they were aware that his anxiety was going up 585 00:28:27,918 --> 00:28:31,500 as the time lapsed. 586 00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:35,083 ♪ ♪ 587 00:28:35,167 --> 00:28:36,959 Rataczak: The hijacker demanded 588 00:28:37,042 --> 00:28:39,584 the airplane flew in at 10,000 feet. 589 00:28:39,667 --> 00:28:42,250 "I want the flaps down and the gear down." 590 00:28:42,334 --> 00:28:45,000 Dower: Do you remember what your reaction in the cockpit 591 00:28:45,083 --> 00:28:47,417 -to those instructions were? -(chiming) 592 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:48,959 Well, it was quite obvious 593 00:28:49,042 --> 00:28:51,250 he was going to jump out of the airplane. 594 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,584 Rataczak: Our biggest concern was how it was going to fly 595 00:28:57,667 --> 00:28:59,918 when and if he lowered the stairs, 596 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,709 which he seemed like he was intent on doing now. 597 00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:06,709 Mucklow: He wanted me to 598 00:29:07,584 --> 00:29:10,083 open the airstairs. 599 00:29:10,167 --> 00:29:14,542 Rataczak: There is a bulkhead door that opens inward, 600 00:29:14,626 --> 00:29:18,000 and it's very noisy when that door was open. 601 00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:20,542 Mucklow: At that point, he just said, 602 00:29:20,626 --> 00:29:23,751 "I'll do it. You go up front." 603 00:29:23,834 --> 00:29:26,500 Rataczak: And all of a sudden, the cockpit door opens, 604 00:29:26,584 --> 00:29:28,918 and it's Tina. And I said, "Tina, 605 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,459 "I've never been so happy in my life 606 00:29:30,542 --> 00:29:33,292 to see a young lady as you." 607 00:29:33,375 --> 00:29:35,000 -(cranking) -(alarm blaring) 608 00:29:35,083 --> 00:29:37,751 So he's taken over the telephone back there. 609 00:29:37,834 --> 00:29:40,709 So the first thing we hear is 610 00:29:40,792 --> 00:29:44,083 -he's got the door open. -(alarm continues) 611 00:29:44,167 --> 00:29:45,918 Now it gets really noisy. 612 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,792 -(rattling loudly) -And so, 613 00:29:48,876 --> 00:29:51,334 he's... 614 00:29:51,417 --> 00:29:54,083 (PA, distorted): "I can't get the, the stairs down. 615 00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:57,334 I can't get the stairs down. The stairs won't open up." 616 00:29:57,417 --> 00:29:59,042 (undistorted, imitates wind) All this noise. 617 00:29:59,125 --> 00:30:02,042 Because the stairs will not come down 618 00:30:02,125 --> 00:30:04,584 all the way because there's too much wind. 619 00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:06,459 ♪ ♪ 620 00:30:06,542 --> 00:30:09,667 We slowed the airplane down, and I got on the phone then and said, 621 00:30:09,751 --> 00:30:12,209 "Alright, now you should be able to lower the stairs." 622 00:30:12,292 --> 00:30:15,584 -(wind blowing) -(alarm blaring) 623 00:30:17,876 --> 00:30:19,792 (mechanical whirring) 624 00:30:19,876 --> 00:30:22,209 Then we got a big bump. 625 00:30:22,292 --> 00:30:26,000 -(loud bang) -Rataczak: We felt those stairs 626 00:30:26,083 --> 00:30:29,250 bounce back and closed, 627 00:30:29,334 --> 00:30:31,459 and we felt a pressure bump in our ears. 628 00:30:31,542 --> 00:30:34,792 -(engines whining) -(rattling, wind blowing) 629 00:30:39,167 --> 00:30:42,250 Anderson: Bill turned around and said, 630 00:30:42,334 --> 00:30:44,918 and he said this over the air... 631 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,751 Mark your screens 632 00:30:46,834 --> 00:30:49,626 'cause I think our friend just took leave of us. 633 00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:52,876 -(rattling) -(alarm blaring) 634 00:31:00,918 --> 00:31:04,042 (alarm fades away) 635 00:31:06,292 --> 00:31:08,918 ♪ ♪ 636 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,042 (traffic noise) 637 00:31:13,959 --> 00:31:16,209 Fuhriman: Seattle had just gone through what they called 638 00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:18,292 the Great Boeing Bust. 639 00:31:18,375 --> 00:31:21,292 It was a Boeing town largely. 640 00:31:21,375 --> 00:31:25,584 And so, when Boeing laid off something like 60,000 people, 641 00:31:25,667 --> 00:31:29,125 it just devastated the whole city. 642 00:31:32,375 --> 00:31:34,834 Man: This is in anticipation 643 00:31:34,918 --> 00:31:38,209 of early direction from the Department of Transportation 644 00:31:38,292 --> 00:31:40,250 to close the program down. 645 00:31:43,042 --> 00:31:46,125 Fuhriman: The economy was hurting. 646 00:31:46,209 --> 00:31:48,209 In fact, there was a billboard that we saw 647 00:31:48,292 --> 00:31:50,292 when we drove into town that said, 648 00:31:50,375 --> 00:31:54,083 "Will the last person out of Seattle turn out the lights." 649 00:31:56,834 --> 00:31:59,834 Gray: You think about the time in which the jump took place. 650 00:32:01,209 --> 00:32:02,292 Poverty. 651 00:32:02,375 --> 00:32:04,834 People, especially in the Pacific Northwest, 652 00:32:04,918 --> 00:32:06,375 were losing their jobs. 653 00:32:06,459 --> 00:32:08,334 They're losing their jobs to big machines. 654 00:32:08,417 --> 00:32:10,918 They're losing their jobs to corporations. 655 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,209 (clicking) 656 00:32:12,292 --> 00:32:15,792 So along comes Cooper, who sticks it to everybody, 657 00:32:15,876 --> 00:32:18,792 and walks away with the cash scot-free. 658 00:32:18,876 --> 00:32:21,083 And so, I think the Robin Hood element 659 00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:23,876 represented an act of defiance. 660 00:32:23,959 --> 00:32:26,125 I think he's one of the slickest cats that ever walked 661 00:32:26,209 --> 00:32:27,542 on the face of the Earth right now. 662 00:32:27,626 --> 00:32:29,292 -Reporter: You think he's sort of a hero? -Oh, sure. 663 00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:32,125 I just think that any time that a fellow's got this much nerve, 664 00:32:32,209 --> 00:32:33,792 and is successful this far that 665 00:32:33,876 --> 00:32:35,459 everybody's kinda rooting for him a little bit. 666 00:32:35,542 --> 00:32:38,626 But, uh, the man's beat the system so to speak a little bit. 667 00:32:38,709 --> 00:32:42,042 And I respect a man who takes his time 668 00:32:42,125 --> 00:32:44,125 to do a job well done. 669 00:32:44,209 --> 00:32:45,542 (clicking) 670 00:32:45,626 --> 00:32:47,709 Gray: The cult of Cooper started 671 00:32:47,792 --> 00:32:50,459 before the plane even landed. 672 00:32:52,751 --> 00:32:55,375 Even though it was a crime, there's a whole community 673 00:32:55,459 --> 00:32:57,834 of people who are obsessed with this story. 674 00:32:57,918 --> 00:33:00,876 ♪ ♪ 675 00:33:00,959 --> 00:33:03,584 (birds chirping) 676 00:33:03,667 --> 00:33:06,626 Jerry Thomas: I started walking these woods 677 00:33:06,709 --> 00:33:08,375 back in 1988. 678 00:33:09,584 --> 00:33:14,292 That's about 31 years now total. 679 00:33:14,375 --> 00:33:16,417 Dower: How much area have you covered? 680 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,250 Oh, more than I care to remember. 681 00:33:19,334 --> 00:33:21,667 (birds chirping) 682 00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:25,250 Dower: And how would you describe the terrain? 683 00:33:25,334 --> 00:33:27,125 Thomas: Oh, man. 684 00:33:27,209 --> 00:33:30,000 Gotta be some of the roughest terrain on Earth. 685 00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:37,042 You're not gonna be looking for a body at this point. 686 00:33:37,125 --> 00:33:41,751 At this point, you're gonna be looking for a parachute. 687 00:33:41,834 --> 00:33:43,876 That's what you're looking for. 688 00:33:45,334 --> 00:33:49,292 Dower: So you've spent 31 years looking, 689 00:33:49,375 --> 00:33:52,584 not for DB Cooper, but for his parachute. 690 00:33:52,667 --> 00:33:54,876 Thomas: Right. 691 00:33:54,959 --> 00:33:57,250 He didn't make it out alive that night. 692 00:33:57,334 --> 00:34:00,209 That's an impossible thing for him to do. He died that night. 693 00:34:00,292 --> 00:34:03,375 -Dower: You believe. -I know. 694 00:34:03,459 --> 00:34:05,792 I served in the military for 20 years. 695 00:34:05,876 --> 00:34:08,000 I enjoyed it. I miss it, 696 00:34:08,083 --> 00:34:10,209 basically. 697 00:34:11,334 --> 00:34:12,292 That's about it. 698 00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:14,751 -Dower: Vietnam? -Yeah. 699 00:34:14,834 --> 00:34:16,626 -Dower: Special Forces? -Thomas: Yeah. 700 00:34:16,709 --> 00:34:18,209 ♪ ♪ 701 00:34:18,292 --> 00:34:20,834 I got out of the military, and I didn't really... 702 00:34:21,959 --> 00:34:24,584 I just didn't fit in. 703 00:34:26,167 --> 00:34:29,584 I withdrew. I lived off the grid for 10 years. 704 00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:34,667 I didn't really care that much to be around a lot of people. 705 00:34:34,751 --> 00:34:36,626 Dower: And what do you think about when you're, 706 00:34:36,709 --> 00:34:40,667 you know, walking the woods out here? 707 00:34:40,751 --> 00:34:44,292 Thomas: Actually, not really much of anything. Just a blank mind 708 00:34:44,375 --> 00:34:47,834 to keep my, um, train of thought 709 00:34:47,918 --> 00:34:52,083 as to what's beneath my feet. 710 00:34:52,167 --> 00:34:54,834 Dower: If he died out here, would you not have found him? 711 00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:56,751 Thomas: No, not necessarily. 712 00:34:56,834 --> 00:35:00,167 There was a man that crashed his aircraft up here. 713 00:35:00,250 --> 00:35:03,167 A hunter found his skull 714 00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:06,042 and parts of the aircraft 60 years later. 715 00:35:06,125 --> 00:35:07,751 Now, you tell me. 716 00:35:09,209 --> 00:35:10,626 (chirping) 717 00:35:10,709 --> 00:35:12,709 I just would like to see this case solved. 718 00:35:12,792 --> 00:35:15,209 I don't care who solves it. 719 00:35:15,292 --> 00:35:18,542 But, um, oh, yeah, I'll keep looking. 720 00:35:22,292 --> 00:35:26,000 Dower: How would it be possible for him to land without any trace? 721 00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:30,042 You know... 722 00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:33,792 in that area of the country... 723 00:35:33,876 --> 00:35:36,500 under good conditions, or even under bad conditions 724 00:35:36,584 --> 00:35:38,000 like the ones he jumped in, 725 00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:40,626 if he were able to hit an open space 726 00:35:40,709 --> 00:35:43,000 and land and recover the parachute, 727 00:35:43,083 --> 00:35:45,042 get up and walk away, 728 00:35:45,125 --> 00:35:47,375 it's very possible. 729 00:35:47,459 --> 00:35:50,334 There were other episodes that followed, one in particular 730 00:35:50,417 --> 00:35:52,334 involving a guy named Richard McCoy 731 00:35:52,417 --> 00:35:54,417 where he did a similar thing, where he jumped 732 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:58,000 out of an airplane and was able to survive. 733 00:35:58,083 --> 00:36:01,167 ♪ ♪ 734 00:36:04,417 --> 00:36:07,167 (traffic noise) 735 00:36:11,918 --> 00:36:13,083 (thunder rumbling) 736 00:36:13,167 --> 00:36:16,792 Dower: How did you know Richard Floyd McCoy? 737 00:36:16,876 --> 00:36:20,250 Anjewierden: We were in the National Guard together. 738 00:36:20,334 --> 00:36:22,876 I was in the Special Forces, 739 00:36:22,959 --> 00:36:26,834 and he was in the engineers, but quite often, 740 00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:28,751 he'd come and fly with us. 741 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,375 And McCoy was a fun one to fly with. 742 00:36:32,459 --> 00:36:35,083 He was very adventurous. 743 00:36:36,334 --> 00:36:39,542 He was a Mormon, and he was... 744 00:36:40,918 --> 00:36:44,584 a group leader in Vietnam. 745 00:36:44,667 --> 00:36:47,709 Dower: And he was a war hero as well, wasn't he? 746 00:36:47,792 --> 00:36:52,042 I understand that he had received quite a few... 747 00:36:52,125 --> 00:36:53,459 medals in Vietnam. 748 00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:58,751 And McCoy ended up being my roommate. 749 00:36:58,834 --> 00:37:02,500 And he talked an awful lot about hijacking. 750 00:37:02,584 --> 00:37:04,792 (quiet chatter) 751 00:37:04,876 --> 00:37:07,751 You've gotta remember 752 00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:10,584 that I was a Special Forces officer. 753 00:37:10,667 --> 00:37:13,667 And in there, we would plan raids, 754 00:37:13,751 --> 00:37:16,000 and ambushes, 755 00:37:16,083 --> 00:37:19,083 and in this case, we just carried it 756 00:37:19,167 --> 00:37:21,959 a little further. "What would you do?" 757 00:37:22,042 --> 00:37:25,500 ♪ ♪ 758 00:37:25,584 --> 00:37:27,292 We did some brainstorming, 759 00:37:27,375 --> 00:37:30,667 and we would discuss things like... 760 00:37:30,751 --> 00:37:33,918 that you come in disguise? 761 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,500 Things like that. 762 00:37:35,584 --> 00:37:36,834 Dower: So would you act out 763 00:37:36,918 --> 00:37:39,292 scenarios of how you would do it? 764 00:37:39,375 --> 00:37:40,709 (chuckles) 765 00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:43,167 I guess that's basically it. 766 00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:46,667 Trust me. I wasn't serious at all. 767 00:37:46,751 --> 00:37:48,918 Dower: So these conversations came up 768 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,334 after the DB Cooper hijacking. 769 00:37:51,417 --> 00:37:53,667 Anjewierden: Right. He would 770 00:37:53,751 --> 00:37:55,667 appear to be fascinated with it 771 00:37:55,751 --> 00:37:58,292 because DB Cooper had-- 772 00:37:58,375 --> 00:38:01,334 had already done his thing then, see. 773 00:38:01,417 --> 00:38:03,500 ♪ 774 00:38:06,626 --> 00:38:09,792 Nick O'Hara: McCoy, using the name James Johnson, 775 00:38:09,876 --> 00:38:12,667 boarded a flight to Colorado, 776 00:38:12,751 --> 00:38:15,751 then to LA. And in the process, 777 00:38:15,834 --> 00:38:17,834 produced a note, 778 00:38:17,918 --> 00:38:19,584 a handgun, a grenade, 779 00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:21,792 and demanded a half-million bucks. 780 00:38:21,876 --> 00:38:23,209 ♪ ♪ 781 00:38:23,292 --> 00:38:27,375 He basically followed the instructions that 782 00:38:27,459 --> 00:38:30,876 Dan Cooper had given in Seattle. 783 00:38:30,959 --> 00:38:33,417 Not to say that they're the same person and not that 784 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:35,209 McCoy didn't go to school on Cooper, 785 00:38:35,292 --> 00:38:37,292 but there is such 786 00:38:37,375 --> 00:38:41,083 a remarkable, um... 787 00:38:41,167 --> 00:38:43,334 pattern that's followed in 788 00:38:43,417 --> 00:38:46,626 the McCoy that was used in the Cooper case 789 00:38:46,709 --> 00:38:50,209 that people say you could almost overlay them. 790 00:38:50,292 --> 00:38:52,834 Reporter: The young man wanted $500,000 791 00:38:52,918 --> 00:38:55,000 and requested four parachutes. 792 00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:57,167 ♪ ♪ 793 00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:59,042 O'Hara: So once he gets airborne, 794 00:38:59,125 --> 00:39:02,709 he is aware now how to redeploy the rear airstairs. 795 00:39:02,792 --> 00:39:05,250 Which the first aircraft hijacking, 796 00:39:05,334 --> 00:39:07,918 Cooper had to have help doing that. 797 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,250 McCoy deploys the airstairs, bails out, 798 00:39:11,334 --> 00:39:13,876 lands near Provo. 799 00:39:13,959 --> 00:39:16,417 Anjewierden: I was right here, 800 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,375 and I discussed with the wife. 801 00:39:19,459 --> 00:39:21,584 "I wonder if that's McCoy?" 802 00:39:22,959 --> 00:39:25,334 And called the FBI. 803 00:39:27,834 --> 00:39:30,083 Then they went to his house, 804 00:39:30,167 --> 00:39:33,375 searched it, and found 805 00:39:33,459 --> 00:39:36,167 half a million dollars up in the attic. 806 00:39:37,292 --> 00:39:39,584 Minus $20. 807 00:39:39,667 --> 00:39:42,250 He'd pulled a $20 bill off 808 00:39:42,334 --> 00:39:44,292 for lunch. 809 00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:46,209 Reporter: He was arrested here in his home 810 00:39:46,292 --> 00:39:48,959 in Provo, Utah, early this morning. 811 00:39:49,042 --> 00:39:51,959 He was dressed for a National Guard drill today. 812 00:39:52,042 --> 00:39:55,542 And when the FBI men came, he did not resist. 813 00:39:55,626 --> 00:39:57,417 ♪ ♪ 814 00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,709 Anjewierden: I think he knew the jig was up. 815 00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:03,834 And he told me... 816 00:40:03,918 --> 00:40:06,375 "You know, some of that money was for you." 817 00:40:07,459 --> 00:40:08,667 You know? 818 00:40:08,751 --> 00:40:10,626 Well, shoot, you shoulda told me! 819 00:40:13,042 --> 00:40:15,459 And I'll be honest... 820 00:40:15,542 --> 00:40:18,667 I felt like I'd betrayed him. 821 00:40:18,751 --> 00:40:21,584 But I knew it was the right thing to do. 822 00:40:24,959 --> 00:40:29,500 This is the sketch of DB Cooper 823 00:40:29,584 --> 00:40:32,000 from witnesses on the aircraft. 824 00:40:34,042 --> 00:40:36,626 And this is an arrest photograph 825 00:40:36,709 --> 00:40:39,125 of Richard McCoy. 826 00:40:39,209 --> 00:40:40,375 And... 827 00:40:40,459 --> 00:40:43,250 people can look at that and form their own conclusions. 828 00:40:44,792 --> 00:40:47,292 You think McCoy looks like Cooper? 829 00:40:49,125 --> 00:40:52,167 -(engines roaring) -(radio chatter) 830 00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:54,209 (tires screech) 831 00:40:59,542 --> 00:41:01,667 Dower: And so you finally land in Reno. 832 00:41:02,542 --> 00:41:03,959 Yes, we do, John. 833 00:41:04,042 --> 00:41:08,542 ♪ ♪ 834 00:41:08,626 --> 00:41:11,417 We got off the airplane. We hugged each other, 835 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:15,042 and there's a great sigh of relief. 836 00:41:15,125 --> 00:41:18,375 Mucklow: It really wasn't until I got in the FBI car 837 00:41:18,459 --> 00:41:22,083 that I think the aftermath hit me. 838 00:41:23,375 --> 00:41:27,375 As I sat down and then Bill got in the car, 839 00:41:27,459 --> 00:41:30,125 I just burst into tears, 840 00:41:30,209 --> 00:41:32,959 and just sobbed for a couple minutes, you know. 841 00:41:33,042 --> 00:41:35,167 That was kinda the release of it all. 842 00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:37,918 (inaudible) 843 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,876 -Dower: But it was over. -Rataczak: Well, 844 00:41:39,959 --> 00:41:42,876 um, it was what... 845 00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:45,250 (clicks tongue) 846 00:41:49,167 --> 00:41:53,125 Young Rataczak: We felt, in this specific situation, 847 00:41:53,209 --> 00:41:56,918 that we had his confidence. We felt he... 848 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,584 was assured that we were honoring his requests... 849 00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:04,375 and therefore, we made no attempt to impede his... 850 00:42:05,584 --> 00:42:08,459 the completion of his mission, if you will. 851 00:42:08,542 --> 00:42:11,876 He was not nervous. He seemed rather nice. 852 00:42:11,959 --> 00:42:14,459 He never tried to harm myself 853 00:42:14,542 --> 00:42:18,375 and although he was impatient a few times, 854 00:42:18,459 --> 00:42:21,542 he was never cruel or nasty or, 855 00:42:21,626 --> 00:42:25,959 um, impolite to me in any way. 856 00:42:26,042 --> 00:42:28,542 Anderson: They wanted to get the airplane to Seattle 857 00:42:28,626 --> 00:42:29,876 as soon as they could 858 00:42:29,959 --> 00:42:33,834 because they still had the passenger baggage onboard. 859 00:42:34,876 --> 00:42:37,125 We boarded up the backstairs, 860 00:42:37,209 --> 00:42:39,834 and came on, and we hear cheers 861 00:42:39,918 --> 00:42:42,167 and clapping. (laughs) 862 00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:45,459 That makes me emotional. I'm sorry. 863 00:42:45,542 --> 00:42:47,459 ♪ ♪ 864 00:42:47,542 --> 00:42:50,250 There's a huge manhunt on in the state of Washington 865 00:42:50,334 --> 00:42:53,083 for the middle-aged man who hijacked a jetliner 866 00:42:53,167 --> 00:42:56,167 and got $200,000 in ransom money, 867 00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:58,751 then escaped by parachuting into the night 868 00:42:58,834 --> 00:43:00,417 from the hijacked plane. 869 00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,042 Reporter 1: They're looking around here because the hijacked crew 870 00:43:03,125 --> 00:43:05,250 felt a bump as they flew over here. 871 00:43:05,334 --> 00:43:07,709 Perhaps the hijacker jumping out. 872 00:43:07,792 --> 00:43:09,667 Reporter 2: The morning after the skyjack, 873 00:43:09,751 --> 00:43:11,167 the FBI launched NORJAK, 874 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:13,834 the codename for the biggest manhunt 875 00:43:13,918 --> 00:43:16,167 the Portland office had ever seen. 876 00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:17,751 The FBI had enlisted the aid 877 00:43:17,834 --> 00:43:20,751 of an Army battalion, the local police, 878 00:43:20,834 --> 00:43:22,292 and even the Boy Scouts. 879 00:43:22,375 --> 00:43:25,083 Reporter 3: So, the searchers set out to scour an area 880 00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:27,334 about five miles long and one mile wide, 881 00:43:27,417 --> 00:43:29,292 where they felt they had the best chances 882 00:43:29,375 --> 00:43:31,334 of finding something. They don't know his real name. 883 00:43:31,417 --> 00:43:33,959 They probably wouldn't know him if they saw him, 884 00:43:34,042 --> 00:43:35,626 and he had a big head start. 885 00:43:35,709 --> 00:43:38,792 ♪ 886 00:43:44,584 --> 00:43:47,584 Smith: Well, you're in Cooper country, so welcome. 887 00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:53,834 -Dower: Is this also where you do your writing? -Smith: Yes. Right here, baby. 888 00:43:53,918 --> 00:43:55,292 This is action central. 889 00:43:55,375 --> 00:43:58,584 We are sitting in the center of my world. 890 00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:00,834 Dower: And this is where you wrote your book... 891 00:44:00,918 --> 00:44:02,751 -Yep. -"DB Cooper & the FBI"? 892 00:44:02,834 --> 00:44:04,626 Correct. Right here. 893 00:44:04,709 --> 00:44:07,792 ♪ ♪ 894 00:44:08,751 --> 00:44:10,459 (helicopter whirring) 895 00:44:10,542 --> 00:44:12,209 Reporter: An FBI spokesman in Portland, 896 00:44:12,292 --> 00:44:14,083 who declined an on-camera interview, 897 00:44:14,167 --> 00:44:16,209 said his agents are checking for clues 898 00:44:16,292 --> 00:44:18,334 and circulating a composite picture 899 00:44:18,417 --> 00:44:22,167 in a 200-mile corridor south to the California border. 900 00:44:27,459 --> 00:44:30,000 (birds chirping) 901 00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:34,751 Smith: Where do we go looking for DB Cooper? 902 00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:36,500 They're asking Northwest Orient, 903 00:44:36,584 --> 00:44:38,083 "Where was your plane when Cooper jumped?" 904 00:44:38,167 --> 00:44:39,959 "Well, we don't know where the plane was, 905 00:44:40,042 --> 00:44:42,250 "but we know it was 8:13 in the evening. 906 00:44:42,334 --> 00:44:44,459 It would've been around here somewhere." 907 00:44:44,542 --> 00:44:46,459 Well, around here is about 908 00:44:46,542 --> 00:44:49,584 20 to 25 miles of woods. 909 00:44:49,667 --> 00:44:53,375 So Cooper had 40 hours lead 910 00:44:53,459 --> 00:44:56,709 before anybody was on the ground looking for him. 911 00:44:56,792 --> 00:44:59,876 ♪ ♪ 912 00:45:02,125 --> 00:45:04,751 Fuhriman: And they brought in some military people, 913 00:45:04,834 --> 00:45:08,375 as well as FBI agents. There were a lot of people 914 00:45:08,459 --> 00:45:10,375 searching the mountain area for him, 915 00:45:10,459 --> 00:45:13,083 or for any remains of whatever might be there. 916 00:45:13,167 --> 00:45:14,459 (helicopter whirring) 917 00:45:14,542 --> 00:45:16,334 Trooper: He either got away, or else he sure made 918 00:45:16,417 --> 00:45:17,876 a big hole in the ground up there. 919 00:45:17,959 --> 00:45:19,584 And if he made a hole in the ground, 920 00:45:19,667 --> 00:45:21,667 he's gonna be hard to find also. 921 00:45:21,751 --> 00:45:23,292 Fuhriman: I think there's a good chance 922 00:45:23,375 --> 00:45:26,250 that he hit a tree or a rock 923 00:45:26,334 --> 00:45:30,626 or fell in a body of water and died. 924 00:45:30,709 --> 00:45:34,375 I also think he might've known enough about what he was doing 925 00:45:34,459 --> 00:45:37,500 that he was able to steer himself into an area 926 00:45:37,584 --> 00:45:41,209 where he could land and get out and go. 927 00:45:41,292 --> 00:45:43,792 ♪ ♪ 928 00:45:43,876 --> 00:45:47,167 Mitchell: I had FBI over for probably over a year, 929 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:49,250 two or three times 930 00:45:49,334 --> 00:45:51,417 a week, with pictures. 931 00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:54,584 I mean, they'd always come with 10 pictures. 932 00:45:55,751 --> 00:45:57,375 (clicking) 933 00:45:57,459 --> 00:46:00,083 They were making a composite drawing. 934 00:46:00,167 --> 00:46:02,334 Fuhriman: Well, from the composite picture, 935 00:46:02,417 --> 00:46:06,542 he had a slender face and, and, uh... 936 00:46:06,626 --> 00:46:09,667 a Caucasian, maybe dark Caucasian features. 937 00:46:09,751 --> 00:46:11,709 Gray: It was very thin hair to the sides, 938 00:46:11,792 --> 00:46:13,417 almost a little balding. 939 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,167 There was a very thin nose. 940 00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:17,626 There was sunglasses over the eyes, 941 00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:19,375 one without sunglasses, 942 00:46:19,459 --> 00:46:22,125 but how would they know what his eyes looked like? 943 00:46:22,209 --> 00:46:25,459 Fuhriman: Uh, no unusual... 944 00:46:25,542 --> 00:46:28,042 identifying characteristics. 945 00:46:29,792 --> 00:46:32,542 The picture on your left is 946 00:46:32,626 --> 00:46:36,500 the artist's conception of the hijacker. 947 00:46:36,584 --> 00:46:39,334 The picture on the right is a picture of me. 948 00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:42,083 When I got a copy of the sketch, 949 00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:45,292 I sent it to my mother without saying anything about it. 950 00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:48,125 Her comment back to me was, 951 00:46:48,209 --> 00:46:50,209 "Who did that sketch of you? 952 00:46:50,292 --> 00:46:52,667 Looks pretty accurate." (laughs) 953 00:46:52,751 --> 00:46:55,876 And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa! That's not me. 954 00:46:55,959 --> 00:46:59,959 (water lapping) 955 00:47:00,042 --> 00:47:02,918 Smith: Well, I'm one of the few people that put a harsh light, 956 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,584 or I like to think 957 00:47:04,667 --> 00:47:07,250 a strong light, on the FBI. 958 00:47:07,334 --> 00:47:10,000 In 1971, the FBI, 959 00:47:10,083 --> 00:47:11,959 I think fairly, was considered to be 960 00:47:12,042 --> 00:47:14,751 the premier law enforcement agency in the world. 961 00:47:14,834 --> 00:47:19,125 But we now know that bigness does not mean greatness. 962 00:47:19,209 --> 00:47:22,500 And there were a lot of gaps, and a lot of limitations. 963 00:47:22,584 --> 00:47:24,417 Dower: They lost the most valuable piece of evidence. 964 00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,125 Oh, they've lost a ton of stuff! 965 00:47:26,209 --> 00:47:28,417 ♪ ♪ 966 00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,083 They lost the cigarette butts. 967 00:47:30,167 --> 00:47:33,167 The cigarette butts are probably 968 00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:36,709 the most salient piece of evidence right now 969 00:47:36,792 --> 00:47:39,959 because we now have DNA testing. 970 00:47:43,876 --> 00:47:47,876 -Dower: So what happened to the cigarette butt? -Montoya: Good question. 971 00:47:47,959 --> 00:47:49,834 A very, very good question. 972 00:47:49,918 --> 00:47:54,209 Um, I don't know. I can't answer that question 973 00:47:54,292 --> 00:47:56,417 because I don't know what happened to them. 974 00:47:58,334 --> 00:48:01,125 Dower: Some say they might've been lost. 975 00:48:02,667 --> 00:48:05,834 Montoya: That's always a possibility. 976 00:48:05,918 --> 00:48:09,000 -Dower: Is anyone looking for them? -You know, I, 977 00:48:09,083 --> 00:48:11,417 I think there have been multiple efforts 978 00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,167 over the last four decades 979 00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:17,417 to do so, um, but I don't... 980 00:48:18,709 --> 00:48:20,459 I don't know what the answer is to that. 981 00:48:20,542 --> 00:48:23,584 They're-- They weren't available to us, so. 982 00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:25,250 Dower: There were also issues with 983 00:48:25,334 --> 00:48:27,250 the fingerprinting on board the plane after it landed in Reno. 984 00:48:27,334 --> 00:48:30,000 Smith: Oh! What a mess that is. 985 00:48:30,083 --> 00:48:32,459 What a mess. To this day, I don't know 986 00:48:32,542 --> 00:48:35,083 how many fingerprints were recovered. 987 00:48:35,167 --> 00:48:38,083 That is total meshugas! 988 00:48:39,918 --> 00:48:43,500 Dower: I mean, do you think it was fair to say that the FBI 989 00:48:45,042 --> 00:48:48,000 made mistakes in this case? 990 00:48:48,083 --> 00:48:51,500 (chuckles) I don't know what you mean by mistakes. 991 00:48:51,584 --> 00:48:55,417 The FBI worked with the best information available 992 00:48:56,709 --> 00:48:58,417 and used... 993 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,250 the best judgment that they could 994 00:49:01,334 --> 00:49:04,792 get together at the time with the facts they had, 995 00:49:04,876 --> 00:49:07,792 and perhaps there were mistakes made, 996 00:49:07,876 --> 00:49:11,751 which is not that unusual in any investigation. 997 00:49:11,834 --> 00:49:14,959 -(river flowing) -(birds chirping) 998 00:49:15,042 --> 00:49:18,792 Smith: Eight and a half years after the skyjacking, 999 00:49:20,459 --> 00:49:23,000 the FBI had diddly squat. 1000 00:49:23,083 --> 00:49:27,459 There was no hard evidence in the DB Cooper case. 1001 00:49:27,542 --> 00:49:29,667 No body, no parachute, 1002 00:49:29,751 --> 00:49:31,667 no bomb, no briefcase, 1003 00:49:31,751 --> 00:49:33,584 no Cooper, no money. 1004 00:49:36,083 --> 00:49:37,542 Then, in 1980... 1005 00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:38,792 (birds chirping) 1006 00:49:38,876 --> 00:49:41,083 a kid found three bundles 1007 00:49:41,167 --> 00:49:44,667 on a beach on the Columbia River. 1008 00:49:45,709 --> 00:49:48,250 Oh my God. 1009 00:49:48,334 --> 00:49:51,334 Bob Schieffer: A child has led the FBI to the start of a trail 1010 00:49:51,417 --> 00:49:52,709 it hopes will help them solve 1011 00:49:52,792 --> 00:49:55,459 the eight-and-a-half-year-old mystery of skyjacker 1012 00:49:55,542 --> 00:49:58,876 DB Cooper. The first break in the only unsolved 1013 00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:01,334 airplane hijacking in United States history 1014 00:50:01,417 --> 00:50:03,167 came on a Columbia River beach, 1015 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,542 along the Oregon- Washington border, 1016 00:50:05,626 --> 00:50:08,584 where an 8-year-old boy dug up the shreds of 1017 00:50:08,667 --> 00:50:10,584 $3,000 on Sunday. 1018 00:50:11,876 --> 00:50:14,083 Reporter: How do you feel right now? 1019 00:50:14,167 --> 00:50:17,250 Well, I feel pretty good. 1020 00:50:17,334 --> 00:50:19,584 I'll feel a lot better after we get the money though. 1021 00:50:19,667 --> 00:50:23,334 You know, after it's all over. 1022 00:50:23,417 --> 00:50:27,375 Smith: Now, the story gets a little bit more complicated. 1023 00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:30,542 There's no question that the three bundles of money 1024 00:50:30,626 --> 00:50:33,584 were Cooper's money from the ransom 1025 00:50:33,667 --> 00:50:36,542 because the serial numbers match up. 1026 00:50:37,667 --> 00:50:39,250 But, to this day, 1027 00:50:39,334 --> 00:50:42,500 nobody knows how that money got there. 1028 00:50:42,584 --> 00:50:44,209 Or when. 1029 00:50:44,292 --> 00:50:46,292 How long was it at the beach? 1030 00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:48,292 Money was wet, soggy, 1031 00:50:48,375 --> 00:50:51,250 had holes in it. It was very compressed. 1032 00:50:51,334 --> 00:50:53,334 As if it had been under weight, 1033 00:50:53,417 --> 00:50:55,417 and the paper, the bills, 1034 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:58,626 were stuck together. When you tried to peel the bills off, 1035 00:50:58,709 --> 00:51:00,375 you'd get chunks. 1036 00:51:00,459 --> 00:51:02,334 Dower: But also the thing about Tina-Bar is 1037 00:51:02,417 --> 00:51:05,292 it's 45 miles south of where DB Cooper 1038 00:51:05,375 --> 00:51:08,000 -supposedly landed. -Yep. 1039 00:51:09,626 --> 00:51:11,167 So how'd the money get there? 1040 00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:15,125 ♪ ♪ 1041 00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:17,959 Reporter 1: Finally, we close tonight with a mystery story. 1042 00:51:18,042 --> 00:51:20,334 It has a villain and a hero, but in this case, 1043 00:51:20,417 --> 00:51:23,834 they may be the same person. A man in a dark suit 1044 00:51:23,918 --> 00:51:27,125 who bought a $20 one-way plane ticket 1045 00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:28,792 from Seattle to Portland... 1046 00:51:28,876 --> 00:51:31,626 Weber: I'm gonna go smoke this, or part of it anyway. 1047 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,209 Reporter 2: At age 60, Jo Weber admits 1048 00:51:37,292 --> 00:51:39,751 she fell in love and fell hard 1049 00:51:39,834 --> 00:51:43,709 for a slick-looking, smooth-talking insurance salesman. 1050 00:51:43,792 --> 00:51:46,584 And since her husband's death in 1995, 1051 00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:49,584 she's pieced together clues dropped over the years. 1052 00:51:49,667 --> 00:51:53,209 In fact, a forensic artist who has worked with the FBI 1053 00:51:53,292 --> 00:51:55,417 says the physical similarities between 1054 00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:57,292 this composite sketch of Cooper 1055 00:51:57,375 --> 00:52:00,292 and a younger Duane Weber are striking. 1056 00:52:00,375 --> 00:52:02,959 What makes you so sure that he's the guy? 1057 00:52:03,042 --> 00:52:06,500 There's too many pieces of the puzzle that fit. 1058 00:52:06,584 --> 00:52:09,709 ♪ ♪ 1059 00:52:13,792 --> 00:52:16,042 Weber: Holy cow. 1060 00:52:16,125 --> 00:52:17,876 I don't know where the albums are. 1061 00:52:17,959 --> 00:52:20,876 They are not where they're supposed to be. 1062 00:52:21,959 --> 00:52:23,626 I'm starting to panic. 1063 00:52:24,918 --> 00:52:27,125 Collins: This happens to me, too, at home. 1064 00:52:27,209 --> 00:52:29,709 Dower: Remind me how you two know each other. 1065 00:52:29,792 --> 00:52:32,709 Collins: I grew up about five miles from where 1066 00:52:32,792 --> 00:52:37,167 DB Cooper jumped, so I was curious about 1067 00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:39,542 what happened, and contacted Jo, 1068 00:52:39,626 --> 00:52:43,626 and we've been talking ever since. 1069 00:52:43,709 --> 00:52:46,250 -Weber: Okay. Yeah. -Collins: Right there, Sentimental journey. 1070 00:52:46,334 --> 00:52:48,500 -Collins: Right there. -Weber: Yeah. We got it. 1071 00:52:48,584 --> 00:52:51,417 Well, he's like a son to me. 1072 00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:53,918 I mean, he has been... 1073 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,792 been there when no one else could give me answers. 1074 00:52:56,876 --> 00:52:59,042 He's brilliant. He sees things 1075 00:52:59,125 --> 00:53:02,709 that other people can't see like this. 1076 00:53:02,792 --> 00:53:05,250 This was the wallet that we found 1077 00:53:05,334 --> 00:53:09,125 in the vehicle after he died. 1078 00:53:09,209 --> 00:53:12,209 -Dower: So that's the driving license? -Weber: This one is a fake one. 1079 00:53:12,292 --> 00:53:15,375 -Dower: John Carson Collins. -Weber: I did not know 1080 00:53:15,459 --> 00:53:18,000 who that was, but that was his picture on there. 1081 00:53:18,083 --> 00:53:19,709 Dower: So was his real name 1082 00:53:19,792 --> 00:53:22,250 John Carson Collins or Duane Weber? 1083 00:53:22,334 --> 00:53:24,375 Weber: Duane Weber. 1084 00:53:24,459 --> 00:53:26,542 But he'd gone and gotten fake IDs. 1085 00:53:26,626 --> 00:53:29,959 -Dower: That's all the different IDs. -Collins: Yes. Yeah. 1086 00:53:30,042 --> 00:53:32,083 What was all this about? 1087 00:53:32,167 --> 00:53:34,709 And then to find out that he had actually been 1088 00:53:34,792 --> 00:53:38,334 in prison under the name of John C. Collins. 1089 00:53:38,417 --> 00:53:40,500 These are in a very, very old criminal file. 1090 00:53:40,584 --> 00:53:42,500 -Reporter: This is your husband in prison? -Weber: Yes. 1091 00:53:42,584 --> 00:53:45,709 Reporter: A man who she now knows lived a lie, 1092 00:53:45,792 --> 00:53:48,542 and may have kept a secret of legendary proportions. 1093 00:53:48,626 --> 00:53:51,751 Collins: This tax return really meant something to me. 1094 00:53:51,834 --> 00:53:55,918 Right after the crime, Duane purchased two cars. 1095 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,125 Brand new, paid cash. 1096 00:53:58,209 --> 00:54:00,542 He made that year 1097 00:54:00,626 --> 00:54:03,542 little more than $1,000. He didn't have that much money. 1098 00:54:03,626 --> 00:54:05,375 He buys two new cars right after the crime. 1099 00:54:05,459 --> 00:54:07,876 I mean, it was like... 1100 00:54:07,959 --> 00:54:10,042 a great, big puzzle! 1101 00:54:10,125 --> 00:54:11,918 It bugged the hell out of me, 1102 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,751 and it still bugs the hell out of me. 1103 00:54:14,834 --> 00:54:19,417 He handed over his will to her in the hospital, 1104 00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:22,375 with a safety deposit key taped to the will. 1105 00:54:22,459 --> 00:54:25,542 The one that you were able to open, you found this. 1106 00:54:25,626 --> 00:54:29,042 Dower: Strange thing to leave in a safety deposit box, isn't it? 1107 00:54:29,125 --> 00:54:32,709 Why would a guy who confessed to DB Cooper have this magazine? 1108 00:54:33,876 --> 00:54:35,500 And my jaw drops. 1109 00:54:35,584 --> 00:54:37,918 "The Man Who Held the Secrets." 1110 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,751 -That's Duane. -(Weber laughs) 1111 00:54:39,834 --> 00:54:42,125 Collins: What secrets... 1112 00:54:42,209 --> 00:54:44,125 did we miss? What did we miss? 1113 00:54:45,876 --> 00:54:48,250 Weber: That's Duane up there. 1114 00:54:48,334 --> 00:54:50,167 Dower: It's a very pretty urn. 1115 00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:52,876 Well, I figured, you know, 1116 00:54:52,959 --> 00:54:55,334 we'll be together again one day. 1117 00:54:55,417 --> 00:54:59,334 So, when they bury me, that gets buried same time. 1118 00:55:00,876 --> 00:55:03,167 Dower: So you married Duane Weber. 1119 00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:07,334 He then tells you on his death bed that he's Dan Cooper, 1120 00:55:07,417 --> 00:55:09,542 and then a few months later, 1121 00:55:09,626 --> 00:55:11,876 you find a wallet in which 1122 00:55:11,959 --> 00:55:14,918 -a driving license says he's John Collins. -Mm-hmm. 1123 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,167 You then started having these memories, 1124 00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:19,417 strange things that Duane told you, 1125 00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,918 places he took you. 1126 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,417 The picture fell together. 1127 00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,584 ♪ ♪ 1128 00:55:29,334 --> 00:55:32,500 (insects chirping) 1129 00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:39,042 Weber: We had a convention in Seattle. 1130 00:55:39,125 --> 00:55:42,500 And he said, "I want to go, uh... 1131 00:55:42,584 --> 00:55:44,209 a few days early." 1132 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:49,167 He showed me an awful lot of things 1133 00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:52,876 and I never did ask a lot of questions. 1134 00:55:55,834 --> 00:55:58,250 One point he stopped at 1135 00:55:58,334 --> 00:56:00,792 was not too far from Lake Merwin. 1136 00:56:00,876 --> 00:56:03,876 And he pointed about at a place, 1137 00:56:03,959 --> 00:56:06,876 and he said something about, "That's where Cooper 1138 00:56:06,959 --> 00:56:09,834 walked out of the woods." And I didn't know who Cooper was. 1139 00:56:16,626 --> 00:56:20,834 Dower: You basically went on a trip to the DB Cooper drop zone. 1140 00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:24,626 Weber: I labeled it "the sentimental journey" 1141 00:56:24,709 --> 00:56:26,584 because of all the places he wanted to go to, 1142 00:56:26,667 --> 00:56:30,000 the places he took me to, the places he disappeared. 1143 00:56:30,083 --> 00:56:33,167 ♪ ♪ 1144 00:56:48,751 --> 00:56:51,584 Dower: Not long after Duane's deathbed confession, 1145 00:56:51,667 --> 00:56:54,500 she started having these memories, 1146 00:56:54,584 --> 00:56:56,209 and even pointed to the woods 1147 00:56:56,292 --> 00:56:58,167 and says, "That's where Cooper walked out." 1148 00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:01,834 Collins: Right. So, she remembered the journey, 1149 00:57:01,918 --> 00:57:04,500 but she didn't know its significance 1150 00:57:04,584 --> 00:57:06,792 until she later... 1151 00:57:06,876 --> 00:57:09,417 understood who Dan Cooper was. 1152 00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,667 Dower: That's kind of your role with Jo, isn't it? 1153 00:57:11,751 --> 00:57:13,626 You sort of help put her memories 1154 00:57:13,709 --> 00:57:15,918 into some sort of order or... 1155 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,667 I would say so. 1156 00:57:18,751 --> 00:57:21,959 I would say even today she doesn't-- she has these memories 1157 00:57:22,042 --> 00:57:24,292 but she doesn't quite understand 1158 00:57:24,375 --> 00:57:27,292 all the significance of different parts of them. 1159 00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:30,626 Whereas I can listen, I'll filter out a lot of it, 1160 00:57:30,709 --> 00:57:33,375 but I can pick out pieces 1161 00:57:33,459 --> 00:57:36,751 that seem, um, relevant. 1162 00:57:36,834 --> 00:57:38,000 ♪ ♪ 1163 00:57:38,083 --> 00:57:40,125 Weber: I remember when he stopped 1164 00:57:40,209 --> 00:57:42,334 at a place on the water. 1165 00:57:42,417 --> 00:57:45,667 There was a little motel at that time 1166 00:57:45,751 --> 00:57:48,667 called the Red Lion. 1167 00:57:48,751 --> 00:57:51,167 What made it significant is 1168 00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:54,292 what happened at the location. 1169 00:57:55,459 --> 00:57:57,042 Weber: The next morning, 1170 00:57:57,125 --> 00:58:00,375 he tells me he's got some place he's gonna go. 1171 00:58:02,542 --> 00:58:05,000 He left 7:00 in the morning. 1172 00:58:05,083 --> 00:58:08,125 It's getting close to checkout time. 1173 00:58:08,209 --> 00:58:10,751 Just about that time, he walks in the door, 1174 00:58:10,834 --> 00:58:13,626 he has to go take a bath. 1175 00:58:15,042 --> 00:58:16,542 He'd been digging in something. 1176 00:58:16,626 --> 00:58:19,375 -And-- -Dower: What made you think he'd been digging? 1177 00:58:20,209 --> 00:58:23,042 'Cause he was dirty! 1178 00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:26,584 He had on dress pants, but his hands were dirty. 1179 00:58:26,667 --> 00:58:29,500 I don't know what he went digging. I don't know where he went. 1180 00:58:29,584 --> 00:58:31,918 While he was cleaning up and I handed him a drink, 1181 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,584 and I still have the picture 1182 00:58:33,667 --> 00:58:37,334 where when I went to take the picture, he gets up, 1183 00:58:37,417 --> 00:58:39,918 and he jumps. "Geronimo!" 1184 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,751 (shutter snaps) 1185 00:58:41,834 --> 00:58:44,000 Like he was jumping, okay? 1186 00:58:44,083 --> 00:58:45,959 I got the picture to prove that 1187 00:58:46,042 --> 00:58:49,167 because I snapped the daggum picture at that time. 1188 00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:50,792 (slide projector clicking) 1189 00:58:50,876 --> 00:58:53,500 ♪ ♪ 1190 00:58:53,584 --> 00:58:54,876 And when he gets into the car, 1191 00:58:54,959 --> 00:58:57,000 I said, "What's in that paper bag?" He says, 1192 00:58:57,083 --> 00:59:00,167 "Oh, just some trash I'm gonna get rid of at the next stop." 1193 00:59:00,250 --> 00:59:03,334 He spent an awful lot of time there, 1194 00:59:03,417 --> 00:59:05,751 just looking out at the water. 1195 00:59:06,792 --> 00:59:10,334 It was odd. It was strange. 1196 00:59:10,417 --> 00:59:12,626 And I said, "What you doing?" He says, 1197 00:59:12,709 --> 00:59:15,584 "Watching that bag go down the river, flow down." 1198 00:59:15,667 --> 00:59:17,000 I hit the ceiling. 1199 00:59:17,083 --> 00:59:19,626 I said, "You littered?! You put what?! 1200 00:59:19,709 --> 00:59:22,542 "You put a bag in the water?! 1201 00:59:23,667 --> 00:59:26,459 A bag of trash in the water?!" 1202 00:59:26,542 --> 00:59:29,375 I was angry because I had been raised, 1203 00:59:29,459 --> 00:59:32,292 you do not contaminate your waterways. 1204 00:59:32,375 --> 00:59:34,667 You do not throw things in there. 1205 00:59:34,751 --> 00:59:37,751 If I had done that, I'd have got the whipping of whippings. 1206 00:59:40,334 --> 00:59:42,417 Collins: He buried the money someplace. 1207 00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:44,083 He left that morning, drove all the way 1208 00:59:44,167 --> 00:59:47,167 to wherever it was he had buried this. 1209 00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:49,000 Located it, dug it up. 1210 00:59:49,083 --> 00:59:51,375 So this is the night when he says "Geronimo," 1211 00:59:51,459 --> 00:59:53,500 and, and she took the picture of him. 1212 00:59:53,584 --> 00:59:56,459 Sift through the money and he's discovered that 1213 00:59:56,542 --> 00:59:58,667 almost all of it's in great condition. 1214 00:59:58,751 --> 01:00:02,667 He's just elated, but some of it's damaged. 1215 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,334 Had he thrown the paper sack into the trash, 1216 01:00:06,417 --> 01:00:08,876 which probably would've been a wiser choice, 1217 01:00:08,959 --> 01:00:10,918 no one would've ever looked inside it, 1218 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,375 no one would ever been the wiser. 1219 01:00:12,459 --> 01:00:15,083 But instead, he threw it in the river, 1220 01:00:15,167 --> 01:00:17,792 which then ultimately was found 1221 01:00:17,876 --> 01:00:20,584 about nine miles away from here. Tina-Bar. 1222 01:00:20,667 --> 01:00:21,959 ♪ ♪ 1223 01:00:22,042 --> 01:00:24,709 Reporter 1: The speculation is endless. For instance, 1224 01:00:24,792 --> 01:00:27,209 is it possible that DB Cooper lived 1225 01:00:27,292 --> 01:00:31,000 and buried some of the money right here, next to the tree? 1226 01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:34,209 Reporter 2: By analyzing the sand, 1227 01:00:34,292 --> 01:00:36,459 geologists hope to learn how several thousand dollars 1228 01:00:36,542 --> 01:00:39,042 in Cooper ransom money arrived here. 1229 01:00:39,125 --> 01:00:41,250 (waves washing ashore) 1230 01:00:41,334 --> 01:00:43,042 Collins: So the FBI, 1231 01:00:43,125 --> 01:00:46,042 they thought, "We don't have the expertise to decide 1232 01:00:46,125 --> 01:00:48,125 when did this money get here." 1233 01:00:48,209 --> 01:00:51,334 They dug trenches three feet down. 1234 01:00:51,417 --> 01:00:53,834 Now, the money was found at the top, 1235 01:00:53,918 --> 01:00:58,500 but there's a dredge layer down in the middle of the trench. 1236 01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:01,876 That dredge layer was from October 1974. 1237 01:01:01,959 --> 01:01:05,042 The money's found above that dredge layer. 1238 01:01:05,125 --> 01:01:07,918 ♪ ♪ 1239 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,834 The crime happened in 1971. 1240 01:01:09,918 --> 01:01:12,042 So if the money got here that night or whatever, 1241 01:01:12,125 --> 01:01:14,250 it should be under 1242 01:01:14,334 --> 01:01:16,709 that identifiable strata in the sand. 1243 01:01:18,042 --> 01:01:20,250 But it wasn't. It was found at the top. 1244 01:01:22,167 --> 01:01:25,500 Reporter: The area where the money was found has been dug and re-dug 1245 01:01:25,584 --> 01:01:28,250 and results of yesterday's geologic survey are 1246 01:01:28,334 --> 01:01:30,250 that the money couldn't have been on this beach 1247 01:01:30,334 --> 01:01:32,292 as long as nine years. 1248 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,459 Dower: So this is a map that you've made, Tim. 1249 01:01:42,542 --> 01:01:45,876 Yeah. Basically, what I wanted to see was the waterways 1250 01:01:45,959 --> 01:01:48,459 in all of the county, where do they go. 1251 01:01:48,542 --> 01:01:51,876 So, if he lands in this area here, 1252 01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:54,167 all the waterways here 1253 01:01:54,250 --> 01:01:55,959 go to the north this way. 1254 01:01:56,042 --> 01:01:58,751 Yet, the money's found down here. 1255 01:01:58,834 --> 01:02:01,250 Well, if you listen to Jo, 1256 01:02:01,334 --> 01:02:04,626 he came back in 1979 1257 01:02:04,709 --> 01:02:07,417 and threw in a paper sack right here. 1258 01:02:08,667 --> 01:02:11,459 And the money drifted around this bend 1259 01:02:11,542 --> 01:02:13,584 and stopped here. 1260 01:02:13,667 --> 01:02:15,626 It explains everything. 1261 01:02:15,709 --> 01:02:18,792 ♪ ♪ 1262 01:02:29,292 --> 01:02:32,375 (rumbling) 1263 01:02:35,083 --> 01:02:38,167 Barbara Dayton used to be Bobby Dayton, 1264 01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:41,667 until 1969, or Robert Elmer Dayton. 1265 01:02:41,751 --> 01:02:43,626 That was my father. 1266 01:02:43,709 --> 01:02:44,792 (click) 1267 01:02:53,417 --> 01:02:54,500 (sniffles) 1268 01:02:56,292 --> 01:02:59,584 Picture of my dad when he was younger, 1269 01:02:59,667 --> 01:03:01,667 with, I guess, his first car 1270 01:03:01,751 --> 01:03:04,792 or something. Doesn't say. 1271 01:03:04,876 --> 01:03:08,334 And this is a picture of my dad at the ranch house. 1272 01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:13,125 He was like a cowboy, 1273 01:03:13,209 --> 01:03:16,459 and my mother thought he looked really sexy. 1274 01:03:17,459 --> 01:03:20,292 But, according to my mother, 1275 01:03:20,375 --> 01:03:22,584 my dad kept dressing in women's clothes. 1276 01:03:22,667 --> 01:03:24,876 He wanted to come out and play cards 1277 01:03:24,959 --> 01:03:26,834 wearing the women's clothes. He'd ask her, 1278 01:03:26,918 --> 01:03:29,375 "Do you mind if I wear your clothes today?" 1279 01:03:29,459 --> 01:03:32,792 And she would say, "Fine." 1280 01:03:32,876 --> 01:03:36,250 But, I think she began looking at him as a friend 1281 01:03:36,334 --> 01:03:39,125 instead of a lover. 1282 01:03:39,209 --> 01:03:42,292 When I had left home, my brother was in Vietnam. 1283 01:03:42,375 --> 01:03:44,083 ♪ ♪ 1284 01:03:44,167 --> 01:03:47,042 But, he died in 1975. 1285 01:03:48,834 --> 01:03:52,792 And I came out to the funeral, 1286 01:03:52,876 --> 01:03:57,542 and my dad flew down in his Cessna 140. 1287 01:03:57,626 --> 01:04:00,542 And I got to meet her 1288 01:04:00,626 --> 01:04:04,209 as a her for the first time. 1289 01:04:05,792 --> 01:04:10,167 And he told me about the surgery and why 1290 01:04:10,250 --> 01:04:12,292 and that he was a freak. 1291 01:04:12,375 --> 01:04:14,000 And I felt bad. I felt really bad 1292 01:04:14,083 --> 01:04:16,626 that he kept calling himself that. 1293 01:04:16,709 --> 01:04:19,083 I was on my way with my cousin. 1294 01:04:19,167 --> 01:04:23,667 We were going to Catheys Valley after the funeral. 1295 01:04:23,751 --> 01:04:25,709 As we were traveling, 1296 01:04:25,792 --> 01:04:28,584 my cousin Billie-Jan said, um, 1297 01:04:28,667 --> 01:04:30,709 "Did you know your dad was DB Cooper?" 1298 01:04:30,792 --> 01:04:34,709 And I said, "No. Who's DB Cooper?" 1299 01:04:34,792 --> 01:04:36,375 ♪ ♪ 1300 01:04:36,459 --> 01:04:41,292 Sharon Power: When the composite sketch came out, 1301 01:04:41,375 --> 01:04:44,209 and her dad saw it, Bill saw it. 1302 01:04:44,292 --> 01:04:48,125 -He said, "That's my brother." -And it scared him. It scared my dad. 1303 01:04:48,209 --> 01:04:50,542 Dower: This was at the actual time of the hijacking? 1304 01:04:50,626 --> 01:04:53,292 Whenever that sketch came out in Bakersfield, California, 1305 01:04:53,375 --> 01:04:55,792 because I remember exactly where we were sitting 'cause it just-- 1306 01:04:55,876 --> 01:04:58,584 We were sitting in a car and it was pouring down rain. 1307 01:04:58,667 --> 01:05:00,834 He was reading the paper, like he always did and he goes, 1308 01:05:00,918 --> 01:05:03,167 "That's Bobby." And just like that. 1309 01:05:03,250 --> 01:05:07,542 And I could tell he was afraid, you know? 1310 01:05:07,626 --> 01:05:09,834 And, uh, but he never really, to me, 1311 01:05:09,918 --> 01:05:11,918 Dad never really talked about it after that point. It was like-- 1312 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,500 -No, he didn't. -He didn't wanna... 1313 01:05:14,584 --> 01:05:17,209 -deal with that. -He didn't approve of it at all. 1314 01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:19,542 Yeah, yeah, well, and the sex change. 1315 01:05:19,626 --> 01:05:21,125 He didn't approve of that either. 1316 01:05:21,209 --> 01:05:22,918 ♪ ♪ 1317 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,167 Dower: And those are-- these are the diaries? 1318 01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:28,375 Ruddell: We don't really know where he was that Thanksgiving. 1319 01:05:28,459 --> 01:05:32,083 When the DB Cooper hijacking happened, 1320 01:05:32,167 --> 01:05:35,042 my grandmother kept diaries of every year. 1321 01:05:35,125 --> 01:05:37,083 My dad would say 1322 01:05:37,167 --> 01:05:38,876 that he wasn't coming to Thanksgiving 1323 01:05:38,959 --> 01:05:41,292 or where he was gonna be on Thanksgiving. 1324 01:05:41,375 --> 01:05:44,626 That one particular year in 1971, 1325 01:05:44,709 --> 01:05:46,542 he said nothing. 1326 01:05:46,626 --> 01:05:49,918 It just says, "house cleaning, etc. 1327 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,834 "Ruth brought the turkey. 1328 01:05:52,918 --> 01:05:54,959 Irene made pumpkin pies." 1329 01:05:56,042 --> 01:05:58,792 So nothing was even mentioned. 1330 01:05:58,876 --> 01:06:02,459 It was just nothing. And I believe my grandparents knew. 1331 01:06:02,542 --> 01:06:05,083 Dower: And so, when it comes to DB Cooper, 1332 01:06:05,167 --> 01:06:07,083 and your father, 1333 01:06:07,167 --> 01:06:10,542 -you're a believer. -Ruddell: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. 1334 01:06:10,626 --> 01:06:12,751 I definitely believe. 1335 01:06:12,834 --> 01:06:15,000 I believe it's my dad. 1336 01:06:16,334 --> 01:06:20,209 ♪ ♪ 1337 01:06:20,292 --> 01:06:21,834 Gray: You know, it's hard to pick 1338 01:06:21,918 --> 01:06:24,709 among these suspects who's more fascinating. 1339 01:06:24,792 --> 01:06:26,500 You have Barbara Dayton, 1340 01:06:26,584 --> 01:06:29,000 who had the ability, the guts, 1341 01:06:29,083 --> 01:06:32,167 -to just do the job. -(shutter flash) 1342 01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:35,125 I really saw Barb Dayton with that kind of mind, 1343 01:06:35,209 --> 01:06:38,375 with that kind of jump experience, and with nothing to lose. 1344 01:06:39,918 --> 01:06:43,083 Dower: What do you make of the Floyd McCoy story? 1345 01:06:43,167 --> 01:06:46,083 Gray: Yeah, McCoy was somebody, to me, who, 1346 01:06:46,167 --> 01:06:49,209 who, mentally, had the capacity 1347 01:06:49,292 --> 01:06:51,083 to be a skyjacker 1348 01:06:51,167 --> 01:06:53,709 and understand the skyjacker, 1349 01:06:53,792 --> 01:06:54,918 but was he the one? 1350 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,125 -(street chatter) -(shutters snapping) 1351 01:06:57,209 --> 01:06:59,918 Smith: Uh, the full story of Richard McCoy 1352 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,959 has not been told. 1353 01:07:02,042 --> 01:07:04,792 A lot of it has been told by Bernie Rhodes. 1354 01:07:04,876 --> 01:07:06,834 -(projector clicks) -Bernie Rhodes was 1355 01:07:06,918 --> 01:07:10,042 a federal sentencing officer 1356 01:07:10,125 --> 01:07:13,834 in the McCoy copycat case. 1357 01:07:13,918 --> 01:07:16,751 But, um, Bernie won't talk to me. 1358 01:07:16,834 --> 01:07:18,542 Bernie won't talk to anybody. 1359 01:07:18,626 --> 01:07:20,959 Dower: I've been trying to get hold of him for over a year. 1360 01:07:21,042 --> 01:07:24,792 I've been trying to get a hold of him for 11 years! 1361 01:07:24,876 --> 01:07:28,125 -(insects chirping) -(cars passing) 1362 01:07:36,375 --> 01:07:38,000 Dower: Don't know... 1363 01:07:39,334 --> 01:07:41,459 Mr. Bernie Rhodes. 1364 01:07:42,918 --> 01:07:44,876 -Finally! -Bernie Rhodes: Hello! 1365 01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,959 -Am I gonna sit back down? -Yes, sir. 1366 01:07:47,042 --> 01:07:48,959 -(grunts) -Awesome. 1367 01:07:50,417 --> 01:07:53,000 Smith: Bernie has a unique perspective 1368 01:07:53,083 --> 01:07:54,834 because, at the time, 1369 01:07:54,918 --> 01:07:57,667 the whole FBI office in Salt Lake City 1370 01:07:57,751 --> 01:08:01,083 were absolutely convinced that McCoy 1371 01:08:01,167 --> 01:08:04,250 did the copycat thing as a second skyjacking 1372 01:08:04,334 --> 01:08:07,709 because he must've lost the money on the way down. 1373 01:08:07,792 --> 01:08:10,709 Dower: If Richard McCoy was DB Cooper, 1374 01:08:10,792 --> 01:08:13,000 why in the world would he go back 1375 01:08:13,083 --> 01:08:15,000 five months later 1376 01:08:15,083 --> 01:08:18,792 and hijack Flight 855? 1377 01:08:18,876 --> 01:08:21,834 Because he lost the money the first time. 1378 01:08:21,918 --> 01:08:25,083 The Bureau in Seattle brought aboard 1379 01:08:25,167 --> 01:08:27,250 a duffel bag that had 1380 01:08:27,334 --> 01:08:29,626 no handles, no zippers, 1381 01:08:29,709 --> 01:08:32,125 so that it would be easily... 1382 01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:36,584 uh, fallen out of-- the money would've fallen out 1383 01:08:36,667 --> 01:08:39,375 of the bag on the way when he jumped. 1384 01:08:39,459 --> 01:08:41,000 -(wind blowing) -(engines roaring) 1385 01:08:41,083 --> 01:08:42,834 Dower: Where did you interview Richard McCoy? 1386 01:08:42,918 --> 01:08:44,626 Set the scene for me. 1387 01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:47,626 Rhodes: It was in the old county jail. 1388 01:08:47,709 --> 01:08:49,500 Dower: You asked him where was he 1389 01:08:49,584 --> 01:08:51,584 the Thanksgiving the year before, 1390 01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:53,834 the day of the DB Cooper hijacking. 1391 01:08:54,959 --> 01:08:57,083 He was adamant... 1392 01:08:58,209 --> 01:08:59,959 that he was home. 1393 01:09:00,042 --> 01:09:02,709 There was no question in his mind. 1394 01:09:02,792 --> 01:09:06,834 And there was no question in my mind that he was not. 1395 01:09:06,918 --> 01:09:08,542 ♪ ♪ 1396 01:09:08,626 --> 01:09:11,417 Dower: You put the picture of DB Cooper on the table. 1397 01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:14,000 How did he react to the picture being there? 1398 01:09:14,083 --> 01:09:16,125 Rhodes: At one point, 1399 01:09:16,209 --> 01:09:18,167 he reacted... 1400 01:09:18,250 --> 01:09:21,417 emotionally. And, uh... 1401 01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:26,209 I think turned his head away. He avoided it, 1402 01:09:26,292 --> 01:09:29,334 until the end of that day, 1403 01:09:29,417 --> 01:09:31,751 when I had been tough on him. 1404 01:09:31,834 --> 01:09:36,584 And then he became very suspicious. 1405 01:09:36,667 --> 01:09:39,083 Did his mood change? 1406 01:09:39,167 --> 01:09:41,751 Did his personality change? 1407 01:09:41,834 --> 01:09:44,709 -Yes. -Smith: He didn't deny... 1408 01:09:44,792 --> 01:09:47,083 that he was DB Cooper. 1409 01:09:47,167 --> 01:09:50,167 He didn't deny that he had any part 1410 01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:52,417 in the Cooper case. He just said, 1411 01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:54,626 "I ain't talkin' about that." 1412 01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:56,751 Rhodes: Richard's eyes 1413 01:09:56,834 --> 01:09:59,209 rested on the Cooper drawing. 1414 01:09:59,292 --> 01:10:01,167 He was clearly curious, 1415 01:10:01,250 --> 01:10:04,125 but, uh, he never touched it 1416 01:10:04,209 --> 01:10:06,459 with his hands. 1417 01:10:06,542 --> 01:10:10,167 To me, that seemed a little bit unnatural. 1418 01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:12,250 From where I sat that morning, 1419 01:10:12,334 --> 01:10:16,542 the face across from me seemed identical 1420 01:10:17,918 --> 01:10:21,459 to the composite drawing of DB Cooper. 1421 01:10:21,542 --> 01:10:23,000 ♪ ♪ 1422 01:10:23,083 --> 01:10:24,542 He knew that I was 1423 01:10:24,626 --> 01:10:27,459 close enough and I was closing in on him. 1424 01:10:27,542 --> 01:10:29,167 (inaudible) 1425 01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:31,709 He just kept saying, "I was home," 1426 01:10:31,792 --> 01:10:34,751 when we knew he wasn't. 1427 01:10:34,834 --> 01:10:36,292 We had all of the evidence 1428 01:10:36,375 --> 01:10:38,292 from the Power Thrust service station 1429 01:10:38,375 --> 01:10:40,167 in Las Vegas, Nevada. 1430 01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:42,918 Dower: McCoy was in Las Vegas, Nevada, 1431 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,250 the day after the Cooper hijacking, 1432 01:10:45,334 --> 01:10:47,584 despite saying that he was at home 1433 01:10:47,667 --> 01:10:50,918 -in Utah for Thanksgiving. -Bingo. 1434 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,292 Gas receipts, telephone transcripts 1435 01:10:54,375 --> 01:10:58,125 from the phone company that he made a phone call back home 1436 01:10:58,209 --> 01:10:59,834 the night of Thanksgiving Day, 1437 01:10:59,918 --> 01:11:02,334 that he wasn't home. He was in Las Vegas. 1438 01:11:02,417 --> 01:11:05,792 There are, there are multiple pieces of hard evidence 1439 01:11:05,876 --> 01:11:08,834 putting McCoy in Las Vegas. 1440 01:11:08,918 --> 01:11:11,083 Rhodes: So there was no question that 1441 01:11:11,167 --> 01:11:14,083 McCoy was in Las Vegas, 1442 01:11:14,167 --> 01:11:17,667 and then went to a casino, which we think 1443 01:11:17,751 --> 01:11:21,000 he laundered the $8,000 or $10,000 1444 01:11:21,083 --> 01:11:24,459 that he had, and had not lost. 1445 01:11:24,542 --> 01:11:29,334 And, uh, called his wife in Provo, 1446 01:11:29,417 --> 01:11:31,125 and said, "I'm on my way home." 1447 01:11:31,209 --> 01:11:33,250 Now, that's pretty compelling. 1448 01:11:33,334 --> 01:11:35,709 Is it circumstantial? 1449 01:11:35,792 --> 01:11:39,250 I think it's pretty close to being hard evidence. 1450 01:11:39,334 --> 01:11:42,417 ♪ ♪ 1451 01:11:45,751 --> 01:11:49,000 -(reporters chattering) -Smith: McCoy didn't take that lying down. 1452 01:11:49,083 --> 01:11:51,209 He busted out of jail the next day. 1453 01:11:51,292 --> 01:11:53,167 Got apprehended a second time. 1454 01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:55,918 Got sent to a little bit higher security prison. 1455 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,083 Busted out of there, too, 1456 01:11:58,167 --> 01:12:00,584 and was on the lam for quite a while. 1457 01:12:00,667 --> 01:12:04,167 And then the FBI got really serious about Richard McCoy. 1458 01:12:05,751 --> 01:12:10,709 Particularly Agent Nick O'Hara, 1459 01:12:10,792 --> 01:12:13,751 who actually apprehended McCoy 1460 01:12:13,834 --> 01:12:16,375 many months later. 1461 01:12:16,459 --> 01:12:19,292 And actually killed him in a gun battle. 1462 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,792 Dower: What's it like to shoot a man though? 1463 01:12:26,834 --> 01:12:29,709 Well, it's pretty easy if they shoot first 1464 01:12:29,792 --> 01:12:32,500 because you get a lot of second guessing 1465 01:12:32,584 --> 01:12:35,876 on police-involved shootings, 1466 01:12:35,959 --> 01:12:37,459 but ours was very clean 1467 01:12:37,542 --> 01:12:39,876 because he came in, he could've given up, 1468 01:12:39,959 --> 01:12:42,876 he chose not to, and... 1469 01:12:42,959 --> 01:12:45,584 -(clicking) -he just... 1470 01:12:45,667 --> 01:12:47,876 when it's, when it's clean like that... 1471 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,375 that's about it. 1472 01:12:51,459 --> 01:12:55,250 It doesn't... I don't feel anything, honestly. 1473 01:12:56,459 --> 01:12:58,209 ♪ ♪ 1474 01:12:58,292 --> 01:13:00,500 Reporter 1: The FBI has reignited a cold case 1475 01:13:00,584 --> 01:13:02,542 that has haunted the bureau for years. 1476 01:13:02,626 --> 01:13:05,083 And this morning, we have the exclusive story 1477 01:13:05,167 --> 01:13:07,250 from the woman who believes she knows 1478 01:13:07,334 --> 01:13:09,626 the infamous hijacker DB Cooper, 1479 01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:12,000 and her name is Marla Cooper. 1480 01:13:12,083 --> 01:13:13,834 Reporter 2: A woman who gave the FBI 1481 01:13:13,918 --> 01:13:16,792 one of its most important leads in the mystery of DB Cooper 1482 01:13:16,876 --> 01:13:19,042 says she thinks the case is all but solved. 1483 01:13:19,125 --> 01:13:21,584 -You're kidding me. Cooper as in... -(laughs) 1484 01:13:21,667 --> 01:13:23,792 DB Cooper. No-- This is not an alias. 1485 01:13:23,876 --> 01:13:27,542 -No. -You believe that your uncle was DB Cooper. 1486 01:13:27,626 --> 01:13:28,667 Yes, I do. 1487 01:13:28,751 --> 01:13:29,918 (indistinct chatter) 1488 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,751 Cooper: Thanksgiving 2011, I actually met 1489 01:13:32,834 --> 01:13:34,959 the FBI agent here in Seattle, 1490 01:13:35,042 --> 01:13:38,209 and he told me that he was closing the case. 1491 01:13:38,292 --> 01:13:41,209 He said, "I'm satisfied that you're telling the truth. 1492 01:13:41,292 --> 01:13:43,417 I think everybody here is satisfied." 1493 01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:44,751 ♪ ♪ 1494 01:13:44,834 --> 01:13:46,500 Dower: Was that the first time the FBI had actually 1495 01:13:46,584 --> 01:13:48,417 nailed their colors to a mast on a... 1496 01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:50,042 -Smith: Yeah. -Dower: suspect? 1497 01:13:50,125 --> 01:13:53,125 I think they wanted to bury the case. 1498 01:13:53,209 --> 01:13:55,834 I think it was the first effort 1499 01:13:56,918 --> 01:13:59,584 by the FBI to walk away. 1500 01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:02,250 Dower: She did pass a polygraph test. 1501 01:14:02,334 --> 01:14:04,292 I think she believes it! 1502 01:14:04,375 --> 01:14:07,167 (stammers) Marla's credible! 1503 01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:09,959 Marla believes her story! 1504 01:14:10,042 --> 01:14:12,000 Cooper: The last time I saw Uncle LD 1505 01:14:12,083 --> 01:14:15,584 was Christmas a year after the hijacking. 1506 01:14:15,667 --> 01:14:17,667 ♪ ♪ 1507 01:14:17,751 --> 01:14:20,167 It was that Christmas 1508 01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:22,834 that my parents took him 1509 01:14:22,918 --> 01:14:25,250 to the airport, 1510 01:14:25,334 --> 01:14:27,334 and I never saw him again. 1511 01:14:27,417 --> 01:14:30,959 (projector clicking) 1512 01:14:31,042 --> 01:14:37,000 And every year, at Christmas and Thanksgiving, 1513 01:14:37,083 --> 01:14:41,167 I would say, "Where's LD? Has anybody heard from LD?" 1514 01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:42,667 And nobody ever did. 1515 01:14:42,751 --> 01:14:44,834 (children laughing) 1516 01:14:44,918 --> 01:14:48,167 Dower: So how did this then all resurface 1517 01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:50,167 nearly 25 years later? 1518 01:14:52,542 --> 01:14:55,667 Cooper: I remembered my father telling me this... 1519 01:14:55,751 --> 01:15:00,959 story which was in 1995 at Christmas. 1520 01:15:01,042 --> 01:15:03,626 And I said, "Dad, 1521 01:15:03,709 --> 01:15:06,250 what do you think ever happened to Uncle LD?" 1522 01:15:06,334 --> 01:15:08,125 (inaudible) 1523 01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:10,500 He, he goes, "I really don't know, Marla. 1524 01:15:10,584 --> 01:15:12,167 I don't have any idea." And I said, 1525 01:15:12,250 --> 01:15:14,083 "Do you think he's still alive?" He said, 1526 01:15:14,167 --> 01:15:16,542 "Oh yeah. I'm sure he's still alive." 1527 01:15:16,626 --> 01:15:19,334 He said, "But I think he's still hiding." 1528 01:15:20,751 --> 01:15:25,250 And I said, "Hiding? Who would he be hiding from?" 1529 01:15:25,334 --> 01:15:27,209 And he said, "You know, the CIA 1530 01:15:27,292 --> 01:15:30,042 and the FBI." And I said, 1531 01:15:30,125 --> 01:15:32,459 "Dad, why would Uncle LD be hiding 1532 01:15:32,542 --> 01:15:34,542 from the FBI?" And he goes, 1533 01:15:34,626 --> 01:15:37,584 "Don't you remember? He hijacked that airplane." 1534 01:15:37,667 --> 01:15:39,542 ♪ ♪ 1535 01:15:39,626 --> 01:15:42,292 So when Dad said this to me, 1536 01:15:44,125 --> 01:15:45,334 it was like 1537 01:15:45,417 --> 01:15:47,167 he unlocked 1538 01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:49,959 a secret box inside of my mind 1539 01:15:50,042 --> 01:15:52,042 that was-- that I'd forgotten. 1540 01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:58,417 My dad died one month after 1541 01:15:58,500 --> 01:16:00,667 I visited him at Christmas. 1542 01:16:00,751 --> 01:16:02,292 He had called me several times 1543 01:16:02,375 --> 01:16:05,959 and said, "You know what happened. You'll remember." 1544 01:16:06,042 --> 01:16:07,292 (indistinct chatter) 1545 01:16:07,375 --> 01:16:09,918 And I hadn't taken him very seriously at the time. 1546 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,125 But when my memories did surface, 1547 01:16:12,209 --> 01:16:14,584 I remembered that mandate from him. 1548 01:16:14,667 --> 01:16:16,459 (projector clicking) 1549 01:16:16,542 --> 01:16:18,250 Dower: Do you believe your uncle was, 1550 01:16:18,334 --> 01:16:21,792 or is, DB Dan Cooper? 1551 01:16:21,876 --> 01:16:25,083 I know my uncle was DB Dan Cooper. 1552 01:16:26,792 --> 01:16:30,125 Dower: You think your husband was DB Cooper? 1553 01:16:30,209 --> 01:16:32,834 I know he was DB Cooper. 1554 01:16:33,959 --> 01:16:37,042 I know it, with all my heart 1555 01:16:37,125 --> 01:16:38,459 and all my soul. 1556 01:16:38,542 --> 01:16:41,751 Do you think I would've given up 23 years of my life 1557 01:16:41,834 --> 01:16:45,834 if I didn't believe it with all my heart and soul? 1558 01:16:45,918 --> 01:16:48,667 Dower: Do you believe that Richard Floyd McCoy 1559 01:16:48,751 --> 01:16:50,834 was DB Cooper? 1560 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,167 You know, I don't know how you can just 1561 01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:57,667 dismiss all of the evidence. 1562 01:16:57,751 --> 01:17:01,626 Dower: So do you believe Barbara was DB Cooper? 1563 01:17:01,709 --> 01:17:03,125 Definitely. 1564 01:17:03,209 --> 01:17:04,626 -Hundred-- -Little by little, 1565 01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:08,459 just every little detail that kept coming together, 1566 01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:10,500 and um... 1567 01:17:10,584 --> 01:17:13,209 -I just definitely believe he was. -I never had a doubt 1568 01:17:13,292 --> 01:17:15,167 from the minute I saw that picture when 1569 01:17:15,250 --> 01:17:17,375 we combed the hair back, and I'd flown with her. 1570 01:17:17,459 --> 01:17:19,459 I knew her, what she was capable of doing. 1571 01:17:19,542 --> 01:17:23,334 (rumbling) 1572 01:17:23,417 --> 01:17:25,334 Let me grab the ashes, too. 1573 01:17:25,417 --> 01:17:29,250 This is Barb Dayton's ashes, and I... 1574 01:17:29,334 --> 01:17:32,500 every now and then, she kind of likes to go for an airplane ride, you know? 1575 01:17:32,584 --> 01:17:36,000 -Dower: So, you seriously take her ashes-- -I do seriously. Yes I do, yeah. 1576 01:17:36,083 --> 01:17:39,918 -(rumbling) -Dower: Why do you think they believe so much? 1577 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,959 Smith: Part of it is 1578 01:17:42,042 --> 01:17:44,334 it's a validation of their friend. 1579 01:17:44,417 --> 01:17:47,209 This is what their friend told them. 1580 01:17:47,292 --> 01:17:51,292 And there's enough compelling evidence... 1581 01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:56,918 to... 1582 01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,584 make all the neurological synapses fire 1583 01:18:00,667 --> 01:18:02,667 to put it into the truth category. 1584 01:18:02,751 --> 01:18:05,876 (plane rumbling) 1585 01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:12,584 (roaring) 1586 01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:20,542 Dower: Now, you're one of the few people who 1587 01:18:20,626 --> 01:18:23,792 have access to the FBI files. 1588 01:18:26,876 --> 01:18:27,834 Yeah. 1589 01:18:27,918 --> 01:18:31,167 ♪ ♪ 1590 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,334 I walked into the basement of the FBI archives 1591 01:18:37,417 --> 01:18:40,292 in a bureau field office, 1592 01:18:40,375 --> 01:18:44,083 and I just saw these big closets of files, 1593 01:18:44,167 --> 01:18:45,959 and I thought, 1594 01:18:46,042 --> 01:18:47,918 "This is the Holy Land. 1595 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,292 "Like, I'm in, man. I'm in. 1596 01:18:50,375 --> 01:18:51,542 "It's gotta be here somewhere. 1597 01:18:51,626 --> 01:18:52,918 The answer's gotta be here somewhere." 1598 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,834 No disrespect to the FBI, but I thought, 1599 01:18:54,918 --> 01:18:57,584 "I can spend the time and go through 40 years later, 1600 01:18:57,667 --> 01:18:59,292 and nail the sucker." 1601 01:19:01,542 --> 01:19:04,334 But what happens in the Cooper case 1602 01:19:04,417 --> 01:19:07,417 is that the Cooper case files, the majority of them, 1603 01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:09,667 they are hundreds, 1604 01:19:09,751 --> 01:19:11,626 if not thousands of letters, 1605 01:19:11,709 --> 01:19:14,292 poems, different pranks, 1606 01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:16,667 different suspicions of people, who all 1607 01:19:16,751 --> 01:19:19,125 flooded the FBI with their best tips, 1608 01:19:19,209 --> 01:19:21,167 thinking that their neighbor was Cooper, 1609 01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:22,667 their ex-wives were Cooper. 1610 01:19:22,751 --> 01:19:24,834 Every complaint that people seemed to have in America 1611 01:19:24,918 --> 01:19:26,417 seemed to be blamed on Cooper. 1612 01:19:27,918 --> 01:19:30,125 In the whole FBI file, the vast majority of it 1613 01:19:30,209 --> 01:19:34,667 are just a sort of depository of paranoia. 1614 01:19:34,751 --> 01:19:36,500 ♪ ♪ 1615 01:19:36,584 --> 01:19:39,500 Mitchell: I've had people that 1616 01:19:39,584 --> 01:19:42,042 come up and tell me that they've got 1617 01:19:42,125 --> 01:19:45,250 wife's cousin who, 1618 01:19:45,334 --> 01:19:48,083 on his deathbed, said he was DB Cooper, 1619 01:19:48,167 --> 01:19:50,792 trying to get me to point to... 1620 01:19:52,417 --> 01:19:55,375 somebody-- that I would recognize something. 1621 01:19:57,334 --> 01:19:59,626 Reporter: Take the annual DB Cooper festival 1622 01:19:59,709 --> 01:20:02,542 at the Ariel Washington Tavern and Store. 1623 01:20:02,626 --> 01:20:05,876 There, enthusiasts even reenact Cooper's parachute jump. 1624 01:20:05,959 --> 01:20:07,626 (indistinct chatter) 1625 01:20:07,709 --> 01:20:10,667 Cooper is right here in this place at this very minute. 1626 01:20:10,751 --> 01:20:12,584 I think he made it myself. 1627 01:20:12,667 --> 01:20:15,834 I do think so that DB Cooper will live on. 1628 01:20:15,918 --> 01:20:19,125 Cooper: The first thing that kinda hit in my head was, 1629 01:20:19,209 --> 01:20:20,834 "That looks like my dad." 1630 01:20:20,918 --> 01:20:23,918 Woman 1: That is Bobby! That looks just like Bobby! That's Bobby! 1631 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,834 Man 1: And he called me 1632 01:20:25,918 --> 01:20:28,292 to his bedside, and he said, 1633 01:20:28,375 --> 01:20:30,959 "There's something you should know." 1634 01:20:31,042 --> 01:20:33,542 Mr. DB Cooper. 1635 01:20:33,626 --> 01:20:36,959 Ruddell: I definitely believe that was my dad. 1636 01:20:37,042 --> 01:20:38,584 Pat: I miss her a lot. 1637 01:20:38,667 --> 01:20:40,542 I even talk to her sometimes. (laughs) 1638 01:20:40,626 --> 01:20:43,167 Woman 2: Can't say that he came home bloodied and bruised 1639 01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:44,792 'cause he just never came home. 1640 01:20:44,876 --> 01:20:48,209 Man 2: That's where the bomb was. Right in this attaché case. 1641 01:20:48,292 --> 01:20:50,626 Mitchell: And they would send me a picture and say, 1642 01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:54,167 "Can you tell me if this guy was DB Cooper?" 1643 01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:55,876 You know, 50 years ago. 1644 01:20:55,959 --> 01:20:58,459 And I... no, I can't. 1645 01:20:58,542 --> 01:21:00,375 I've quit answering them. 1646 01:21:00,459 --> 01:21:03,500 ♪ ♪ 1647 01:21:07,042 --> 01:21:09,876 (wind blowing) 1648 01:21:13,417 --> 01:21:15,834 Collins: I realize that there are thousands of people who say, 1649 01:21:15,918 --> 01:21:18,334 "I know who Cooper is. He's my dad, he's my uncle, 1650 01:21:18,417 --> 01:21:21,792 "he's so-and-so. I've done all this research, 1651 01:21:21,876 --> 01:21:23,209 I know it, I know it, I know it." 1652 01:21:23,292 --> 01:21:26,834 And I realize I sound exactly like those people. 1653 01:21:26,918 --> 01:21:28,792 So I look at myself and go, okay. 1654 01:21:28,876 --> 01:21:30,667 Is there any difference between 1655 01:21:30,751 --> 01:21:32,292 what I'm seeing and what they're seeing? 1656 01:21:32,375 --> 01:21:34,459 Am I just as delusional or whatever? 1657 01:21:34,542 --> 01:21:38,417 -Dower: It's endless. -Collins: Yeah. It's like an endless loop. 1658 01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:41,125 It just sucks people in. 1659 01:21:41,959 --> 01:21:45,042 ♪ ♪ 1660 01:21:46,792 --> 01:21:49,751 Dower: These people all have a DB Cooper-shaped hole 1661 01:21:49,834 --> 01:21:51,918 -in their lives. -Smith: Hm. 1662 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,083 I hadn't realized that, but I think you're right. 1663 01:21:54,167 --> 01:21:56,959 I think that's an interesting perspective. 1664 01:21:57,042 --> 01:21:59,959 Dower: What is your DB Cooper-shaped hole? 1665 01:22:00,042 --> 01:22:03,250 -Why are you so engaged with this story? -(Smith sighs) 1666 01:22:03,334 --> 01:22:04,918 I don't have a full understanding of it. 1667 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,292 I don't have a complete answer for you on that. 1668 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,918 But I think Cooper speaks to something bigger and deeper 1669 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,334 in more people. 1670 01:22:18,751 --> 01:22:20,709 People who think, 1671 01:22:20,792 --> 01:22:24,125 "I'm just not tough enough, 1672 01:22:24,209 --> 01:22:26,500 "I'm just not rich enough, 1673 01:22:26,584 --> 01:22:29,542 "and I just don't have enough opportunities. 1674 01:22:29,626 --> 01:22:32,584 "And if I had a little bit more of something, 1675 01:22:32,667 --> 01:22:34,000 "I'd have a better life. 1676 01:22:34,083 --> 01:22:36,751 "But Cooper figured it out. 1677 01:22:36,834 --> 01:22:39,792 "He's a smart guy, I'm a smart guy. 1678 01:22:39,876 --> 01:22:41,626 "He figured, okay. 1679 01:22:41,709 --> 01:22:44,000 "I'm gonna jump out of this airplane, 200,000. 1680 01:22:44,083 --> 01:22:45,626 "I'm gonna be in the woods, 1681 01:22:45,709 --> 01:22:49,500 "and he got away with it. I wanna be a Cooper. 1682 01:22:49,584 --> 01:22:52,709 "I wanna be tough enough to jump out of an airplane, 1683 01:22:52,792 --> 01:22:57,209 "in November, at 8:00 at night, in the rain. 1684 01:22:57,292 --> 01:22:58,876 "Not give a shit. 1685 01:22:58,959 --> 01:23:01,209 "And be smart enough to make it. I'll get down to the ground. 1686 01:23:01,292 --> 01:23:03,834 "I'm a tough guy. I'll know how to survive. 1687 01:23:03,918 --> 01:23:07,125 Country boys know how to survive." 1688 01:23:07,709 --> 01:23:10,042 ♪ ♪ 1689 01:23:10,125 --> 01:23:12,834 Like I said, all Cooper all the time. 1690 01:23:15,876 --> 01:23:17,500 Gray: It's really not about him anyway. 1691 01:23:17,584 --> 01:23:18,751 It's about the people. 1692 01:23:18,834 --> 01:23:20,626 It's about believing in the fantasy. 1693 01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:24,667 It's about believing in something. 1694 01:23:24,751 --> 01:23:28,000 We're kinda designed to believe in things, and right now, 1695 01:23:28,083 --> 01:23:29,417 like what do you have to believe in? 1696 01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:31,209 You know, there's not really that much out there 1697 01:23:31,292 --> 01:23:34,042 that you get to believe in that has 1698 01:23:34,125 --> 01:23:36,417 a sense of mystery, a sense of notoriety attached, 1699 01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:38,042 a treasure to find. 1700 01:23:38,125 --> 01:23:40,167 It gives people a chance to believe. 1701 01:23:42,334 --> 01:23:43,792 Dower: It's kind of overwhelming. 1702 01:23:43,876 --> 01:23:45,167 There's so many different stories, 1703 01:23:45,250 --> 01:23:47,042 so much evidence. 1704 01:23:47,125 --> 01:23:50,292 It's so easy to get lost down the rabbit hole. 1705 01:23:50,375 --> 01:23:52,209 Well, I'll tell you what. I want you to walk 1706 01:23:52,292 --> 01:23:54,626 through that rabbit hole right there. 1707 01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:58,209 Just walk out through there, and then come back. 1708 01:24:08,584 --> 01:24:11,667 And that actually wasn't planned. (chuckles) 1709 01:24:11,751 --> 01:24:14,834 ♪ ♪ 1710 01:24:27,167 --> 01:24:29,918 But he can see where he's going now. 1711 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,000 But he couldn't see it at night, could he? 1712 01:24:33,083 --> 01:24:36,584 And look at how hard of a time he's having now. 1713 01:24:47,667 --> 01:24:49,918 Crew Member: I think he's lost. 1714 01:24:52,751 --> 01:24:54,000 (chuckles) 1715 01:24:54,083 --> 01:24:56,751 He's having some fun, isn't he? 1716 01:25:00,209 --> 01:25:02,918 Okay, just look for any moving branch. 1717 01:25:03,751 --> 01:25:05,667 I lost track of him. 1718 01:25:05,751 --> 01:25:08,584 He'll be circling around on us. 1719 01:25:16,584 --> 01:25:20,375 Montoya: There is the reputation and the mystique 1720 01:25:20,459 --> 01:25:23,250 that the FBI always gets its man. 1721 01:25:23,334 --> 01:25:25,584 They're kinda like the Canadian Mounties, right? 1722 01:25:25,667 --> 01:25:27,751 But there are also those instances 1723 01:25:27,834 --> 01:25:30,125 when we kinda have to grin and bear it 1724 01:25:30,209 --> 01:25:32,209 and say, well, not in this case. 1725 01:25:34,876 --> 01:25:37,876 Reporter: Agent Montoya, why, why now? 1726 01:25:37,959 --> 01:25:40,083 Why the decision to close this case now? 1727 01:25:40,167 --> 01:25:42,125 ♪ ♪ 1728 01:25:42,209 --> 01:25:43,876 Montoya: We would love to have solved this. 1729 01:25:43,959 --> 01:25:45,709 There's no question about it. 1730 01:25:45,792 --> 01:25:47,876 I mean, to see justice served, 1731 01:25:47,959 --> 01:25:49,792 and it doesn't feel good 1732 01:25:49,876 --> 01:25:53,250 to acknowledge that this is 1733 01:25:53,334 --> 01:25:57,834 the only unsolved skyjacking in American history. 1734 01:25:57,918 --> 01:26:01,167 I think that what helps is the fact that it was 45 years old, 1735 01:26:01,250 --> 01:26:05,375 and realizing that there just wasn't a lot to go on. 1736 01:26:05,459 --> 01:26:08,334 (stammers) That it was time for us to make that decision, 1737 01:26:08,417 --> 01:26:10,959 time for me to make that decision to move on to other things. 1738 01:26:11,042 --> 01:26:14,876 That's not to say that it's, you know, dead and over with forever. 1739 01:26:14,959 --> 01:26:16,417 If something were to arise, 1740 01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:18,918 those parachutes or that money, we would gladly 1741 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,334 take that and run with it. 1742 01:26:22,417 --> 01:26:26,083 It's transpired, along with my history so to speak. 1743 01:26:26,167 --> 01:26:27,667 I remember watching television 1744 01:26:27,751 --> 01:26:30,083 and seeing the original reports. 1745 01:26:30,167 --> 01:26:32,584 Never did I think I'd be in this position today, 1746 01:26:32,667 --> 01:26:36,125 saying to you that we're closing the case and it's not resolved. 1747 01:26:36,209 --> 01:26:38,626 ♪ ♪ 1748 01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:41,375 Whether we like it or not, it's part of our cultural history. 1749 01:26:41,459 --> 01:26:43,417 Whether it's Jesse James, you know, 1750 01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:45,000 or Butch and Sundance, 1751 01:26:45,083 --> 01:26:47,209 or Bonnie and Clyde. 1752 01:26:48,459 --> 01:26:50,167 I mean, there are a lot of mysteries out there. 1753 01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:53,459 There's no question about it, and this is gonna be one of those.