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bring you America's number one
panel show, I've Got A Secret.

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Now, panel, for reasons
which will become obvious,

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this gentleman on my left
will be known as Mr. X.

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I will tell you this, however,
that he is from Wales.

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He is a Welshman,
and, also, he is a musician.

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We'll be back in just 20 seconds.

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How much heroin
do you buy then each day?

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Twenty-nine grams.
Four or five dollars--

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Levittown, USA.
The carefully planned commu--

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From Dallas, Texas, the flash
apparently official, President Kennedy--

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One, two, three.

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This is John Cale, a composer-musician

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who last week performed in a concert
to end all concerts.

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What was really unusual
about this particular concert?

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Well, the performance took 18 hours.

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Can any of you guess
what Mr. Schenzer's secret then is?

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He was the only one who lasted
in the audience for the full 18 hours.

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Why is he doing this?

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How come it took
18 hours and 40 minutes to play this?

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Well, there's an instruction
by the composer Erik Satie here,

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which says that this piece of music here

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must be repeated 840 times.

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What would move a man
to say you must play it 840 times to--

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-for it to be complete?
-I have no idea.

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Wind
Wind blow

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Wind
Wind blow

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Wind
Wind blow

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Wind
Wind blow

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"I feel as if I were
in a motion picture theater.

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The long arm of light
crossing the darkness and spinning.

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My eyes fixed on the screen.

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The shots themselves
are full of dots and rays.

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I am anonymous and have forgotten myself.

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It is always so
when one goes to the movies.

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It is, as they say, a drug."

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In a dream that the wind brings to me

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We moved out
to Long Island when I was four.

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Lou would've been nine.

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We lived in a suburb, Freeport.

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Coming from Brooklyn
to this isolated suburban community,

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that was a hard, hard transition for him.

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In my arms

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Wind, wind

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My mom was a homemaker.

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My father wanted to be a novelist,
an author.

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My grandmother said,
"No, you're gonna be an accountant."

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So he became an accountant.

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If you were looking
for central casting

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to cast a 1950s family
where father knows best,

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I don't think he had much to do
with his father. His father worked.

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He was not the kinda guy
that you'd go out and toss a ball with.

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I don't know
what my father's aspirations for Lou were.

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Maybe he thought
he would take over the business.

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My father's aspirations for me
were no doubt

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that I should make very good chicken soup.

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There wasn't a lot of, you know, "Let's go
to the circus. Let's go to the muse--"

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There was none of that.

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I know she is gone
But my love…

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Early music training was classical piano.

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I first picked up a guitar probably
10 or 11, and I took one lesson.

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I think I had brought in
"Blue Suede Shoes"

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and said, "Teach me how to play this."

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That's not really, I think,
what they were there for.

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So that was the end of my music lesson,

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so I learned guitar from the--
playing along with records.

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Doo-wop. The Paragons, the Jesters,
the Diablos.

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And rockabilly.

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And Lou always said to me

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that he wanted to ultimately
become a rock star very early on.

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This was in high school.

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When I was 14, I made my first record,
"Leave Her for Me."

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The final disappointment for me

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was the night Murray the K
was supposed to play it on the radio,

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and he was sick.

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Paul Sherman played it instead,
and I was absolutely devastated.

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We were all sitting by the radio.

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And we got a royalty check for $2.79,

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which in fact turned out to be a lot more
than I made with the Velvet Underground.

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Take all the blossoms…

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There was a place called the Hayloft,

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and he used to go there alone to play.

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Leave me my baby

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It was known to be a gay nightclub.

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I once asked him why he wanted
to play in gay nightclubs.

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And he said
it's just a cool group of people.

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Please leave her for me
Leave my baby

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The band booked gigs in the city.

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He was still in high school.

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And I think that certainly that set
the ground for difficulties in my home.

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We were living in my grandmother's house.

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And my grandmother
was very thoroughly nationalistic.

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One thing she didn't like was that
my mother had married an Englishman

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and didn't speak Welsh.

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Not only did she marry an Englishman,
she married a coal miner,

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which she spent years
pushing all the other kids out of.

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She made sure that all her boys
and my mother all went into education.

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When they got married and my father
moved into the house,

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my grandmother banned the use
of English in the house.

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Until I learned English in school
at seven,

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I couldn't communicate with my father.

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The antipathy
that I got from my grandmother

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was really some form of hatred.

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A little bit grim.

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My mother taught me piano
for a little while

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until I got to a certain point,

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and then she turned me over
to somebody else.

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Yeah, she held it together for me.

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I mean, I'm talking about, like,
maybe at six or seven years of age.

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The life of the imagination
was the life of the radio.

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And by that time, I'd figured out the way
that I really could use the radio

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was to tune into all
the foreign broadcasts.

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Get Suisse Romande and Radio Moscow.

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When I got to grammar school, they had
an orchestra, and I wanted to play.

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So I went looking for a violin,
and they didn't have any violins.

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But they had a viola, so I got the viola.

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They had Bach pieces,
cello pieces for viola.

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Which was really good.
You got all your chops going.

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But then there was
the Paganini Caprices…

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that I sort of stunned my teacher

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saying that I was gonna learn
the Paganini Caprices.

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My mother, she had an operation
on her breasts.

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She disappears and goes to
this isolation hospital

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which had 25-foot walls outside.

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And my father would take me up
and hold me up.

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She vanished.

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Things started going off the rails.

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I was on my own.

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My father kept going to work.
I mean, I just felt very isolated.

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I couldn't talk to my father about
any of the things that were going on.

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I couldn't talk to my mother
about what was going on.

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So I got taken advantage of,
and I didn't know what to do about it.

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I had this piece that I remembered
the opening of the piece,

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but I didn't remember the ending of it.

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So I had to improvise my way
through the ending of it.

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I mean, I did a pretty good job
of ending the piece.

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I mean, of really carving an arc for it,
and I got out of it.

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When I came out of that room,
at first I was really scared.

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And I didn't know what the hell was
gonna happen, but then it happened.

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That moment of it happening,

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that was what made a difference
really early on

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about how to work your way
out of a problem.

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Being afraid of what's about to happen
is not a problem.

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It was the birth of improvisation.

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Slowly, things started focusing on
what I was planning on doing.

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And I think I'd really made
a practical decision.

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I thought, "I want to be a conductor."

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In addition, it was really clear
that I had to get out of the valleys.

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You know, there's nothing here.
I was desperate to get out of that place.

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But if it wasn't for that one time
when I got scared out of my wits

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and had to perform and finish
something off elegantly.

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That really stood me in good stead.

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You killed your European son

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You spit on those under 21

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But now your blue cars are gone

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You better say so long
Hey, hey, hey, bye, bye, bye

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New York, during the wartime,

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became a place where artists escaped.

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So it was a meeting of New York

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and the best artists' minds
from Paris and from Berlin.

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You better say so long
Your clowns bid you goodbye

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New York at the end of the '50s.
And now we are going to the '60s.

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While French Nouvelle Vague
had Cinémathèque Française,

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we had our 42nd Street.

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Every night we went to 42nd Street,

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where there were, like, 15 other--
no, maybe 20 movie houses.

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And that was the period
when all of the arts

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and also styles of life began changing.

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They climaxed into the '60s.

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We are not part, really, of subculture
or counterculture. We are the culture!

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Painters, musicians, filmmakers.

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They were not so much interested
in telling narrative stories.

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The poetic aspect of cinema brought cinema
to the level of the other arts.

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Beginning January '62,

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my studio, the Film-Makers' Cooperative,

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became a meeting ground
of all the filmmakers.

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Every evening there were screenings.

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And that's where Andy used to hang around.

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But I did not know that he was Andy.

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He was just sitting on the floor
with all the others.

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And that's where he met
his early superstars

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like Mario Montez
and Jack Smith and Gerard Malanga.

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That was Andy's film school.

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When I got to Goldsmiths,

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it was really a free-flowing
educational institution.

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They gave me viola lessons and
composition classes with Humphrey Searle.

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He understood Cage and all those
people that I was delving into.

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John Cage and "Water Walk."

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John Cage was
the leading avant-garde figure

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in music in New York and in America.

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But I think La Monte
was getting ready to take over.

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I got this Bernstein Fellowship.
They paid for my travel and whatever.

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You're in that background of-- with--
Mrs. Koussevitzky is still alive.

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She has afternoon soirees
for the students.

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Well, they wouldn't let me perform
because they were too violent.

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I asked Harry Kraut, who ran the program--
He asked if these pieces are violent.

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Most of the piece was really
being inside the piano

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and hitting the inside
of the piano or whatever.

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Then I got an ax.

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And I remember that one of the people
in the front row got up and ran out.

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And that was Mrs. Koussevitzky.
She was-- She was in tears,

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and I said,
"Wow, I'm really sorry that…"

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Yeah, she was upset for a little,
but don't worry.

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We took her out for cocktails afterwards.
She was fine.

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By that time I had met Cornelius Cardew,
and we were hanging out.

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You know, you had somebody who
understood what you were talking about.

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And Cornelius had met La Monte.

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La Monte Young was next in line
to take over from John Cage.

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Getting to Tanglewood
was my way to get to La Monte.

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There has been a breakdown

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to the point to where, you know,
it's not music anymore.

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We'll see you next week. Take care, now.

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After one had met La Monte, that was over.

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You know, everybody wants to do
something razzmatazz, and look at me.

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I was doing something that was intended

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to take you into a very high
spiritual state.

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Nobody had ever written a piece before me

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that consisted
of all long, sustained tones.

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Well, John was Welsh.

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He wrote us a--
He wrote us a letter from…

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-From Wales. Or from London maybe.
-Or Wales or the UK someplace.

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Someplace in the UK,

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and he said he wanted
to come over and study and…

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Yeah.

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-We-- I guess we said he could.
-Sure.

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I didn't get to New York until 1963.

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And it was my first time in New York,
and I was appalled. It was…

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You know, the steam
coming up from the sidewalks.

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"Holy shit. This place is filthy."

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So really La Monte's drones
and all of that was reassuring.

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Here we were back in music,

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focusing on what-- what are we gonna hear.

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We're hearing drone, but really,
we were studying natural harmonics.

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I got a call from Lou, and he said
to me that he was very depressed.

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He said he was taking some treatments.

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He thought that his parents were trying
to shock the gayness out of him.

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I didn't believe a word of it,
knowing his parents.

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Whether or not you want to say,

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"Well, was he was clinically depressed?
Was he using an enormous amount of drugs?"

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I think the tenor of the times
was not helpful.

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And the available help at the time
was dismal.

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So when you ask about Lou
in that time, I get upset.

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And I get upset because
of the misconceptions that take place.

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And because it doesn't do him service
and it doesn't do my parents service.

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And it is simplistic and cartoonish
to think that there's an easy explanation.

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He was gonna go to NYU.

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He made it through a semester and a half,
as I recall.

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He called me, and he said
that he was going to transfer to Syracuse.

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And when he got up to Syracuse,
he was a different person.

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Sullen, antagonistic.

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He was very rebellious
about practically everything.

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I had a hard time relating to him.

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We would get stoned, and we'd jam.

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We played Ray Charles, Frankie Lymon
once in a while. We played…

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We played fraternities
and sororities and bars.

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We were very bad,
so we had to change our name a lot.

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'Cause no one would hire us twice.

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There were times
when I would miss a cue or I would be off.

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And he would go crazy.

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He would turn around and smash the cymbal.

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He had no patience whatsoever.

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Any-- Anybody that wasn't absolutely
perfect and right on.

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We had a gig at St. Lawrence University

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on this boat on the Saint Lawrence River.

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Lou said, "I'm not playing on the boat."

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And I said,
"Lou, we have to play on the boat. Just"--

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He said, "I'm not." Boom!

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And he puts his hand through a glass pane
in a door and rips his hand up.

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So we had to take him to the hospital.
He gets stitches.

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And, if I remember, it was his right hand.

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So he said,
"Well, fuck you, I can't play."

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I said, "You can sing,
and you're a shitty guitar player anyway,

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so you'll be covered."

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And we did.

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He was like a three-year-old in many ways.

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Whoa, hey, merry-go-round

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We made a demo record called "Your Love."

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Your little love

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Your love, your little love

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I never thought I was a real whole man
Till your love

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We went to a meeting in the city

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with a guy who liked
some of Lou's demo tapes.

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And he turned to Lou, and he said to him,

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"So, what is it that you wanna do?
What do you want to accomplish?"

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He said, "I wanna be rich,
and I wanna be a rock star.

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And I'm going to be rich,
and I'm going to be a rock star

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whether you handle my music or not."

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He was not comfortable in most places.

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And if he wasn't comfortable
to begin with,

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he really took advantage of it and
made everybody else uncomfortable.

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So that that was his comfort.

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I don't know why he was so insecure,
but I think he was terribly insecure.

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And I think he was insecure all his life.

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He was always very angry at people
for rejecting him,

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and so he was gonna
cut that friendship off first.

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In the dark church of music
which never is of land or sea alone

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But blooms within the air inside the mind

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Patterns in motion and action
Successions of processionals

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Moving with majesty of certainty

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To part the unparted curtains…

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And he's hanging out with Delmore by then.

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The person I looked up to the most
was Delmore Schwartz.

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I studied poetry with him,
but there were other things.

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These astonishing little essays
and short stories.

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I was amazed that someone could do that
with such simple, everyday language.

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And Delmore Schwartz thought Lou had
a tremendous amount of talent

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and, as a matter of fact,
got a number of his poems published

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in the Evergreen Review.

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And his poetry was very heavy
on gay themes.

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Very dark gay themes.

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The idea of meeting men
in public bathrooms,

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having sex with a man near a urinal
and folding that into a poem.

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And when I read the-- one of these poems,

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and I said to him--
I said, "Lou, what the fuck?

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Where-- Where does all of this
degrading idea of sex come from?"

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He said, "If it's not dark and if it's not
degrading, it's not hot. It's not sex."

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He said,
"You couldn't possibly understand it.

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You're becoming a Republican."

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Must've been Thanksgiving
or Christmas when we went to the Hayloft.

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I don't remember much about it,
other than it was a gay bar.

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There was a girl there named Action.
He tried to set me up with this girl.

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And I said, "Yeah, I'm not gay.
I don't wanna be gay.

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I don't wanna experiment.
I'm not interested."

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And he said, "Go dance with her." So,
"Oh, okay, I'll dance with her," you know.

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I think he took me there just to show me
where he was and what he did.

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And people said,
"Well, why didn't you care about that?

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How could you, you know,
be with him if he's with a guy?"

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And I said,
"That has nothing to do with me."

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And I'm not jealous.
It just didn't bother me.

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Much more horrifying was driving
into Manhattan, to Harlem,

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to pick up some-- I think it was heroin.

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And we'd go to literally
125th and Saint Nicholas.

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Go up into this apartment house.

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He liked very much taking me
to a place that was not safe.

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And he was just setting up a scenario

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that then he would have material
to write about.

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He was always writing.

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He was always writing either a story
or lyrics or a song.

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But he always was very clear
that there's no difference

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between being a writer of a book
and a writer of lyrics.

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Seventeen Voznesenskys
are groaning yet voiceless.

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My cries have been torn

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onto miles of magnetic tape
and endless red tongue.

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When I was in college,
I was very influenced by Ginsberg.

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"Howl," "Kaddish."

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Burroughs's Naked Lunch.

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00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:11,697
Hubert Selby Jr., Last Exit to Brooklyn.

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I thought, "That's what I wanna do,
except with a drum and guitar."

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So, "I don't know just where I'm going

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I'm gonna try for the kingdom if I can

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Because it makes me feel like I'm a man

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When I put a spike into my vein

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All, you know, things
Aren't quite the same

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When I'm rushing on my run
And I feel like Jesus's son

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And I guess I just don't know
I guess I just don't know."

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Probably there's never been a problem

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in human behavior or misbehavior
that's been with us quite so long

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or has been so little understood
as homosexuality.

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00:26:58,994 --> 00:27:01,747
In your estimation,
what's the most serious sex crime?

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The crime against nature.

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00:27:07,794 --> 00:27:10,380
What are the penalties
for a crime against nature?

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The maximum sentence
is 20 years in the state penitentiary.

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00:27:15,844 --> 00:27:19,097
You know,
we got arrested for being in bars.

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00:27:19,181 --> 00:27:21,016
But so what? It was part of it.

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There was a bar called the San Remo

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that everyone seemed sort of gay,

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extremely smart and/or creative.

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And they turned out to be Edward Albee
and Andy Warhol and Jasper Johns

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and at the center of it
is the exploding art world.

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Money, parties, power.

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00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:52,047
Cinema is exploding.

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The New York Film Festival,
Lincoln Center,

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all that is happening in the mid-'60s.

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And it was an outrageous… over-camp.

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00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:09,690
I mean, camp was something
that you really played with

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00:28:09,773 --> 00:28:11,358
like Jack Smith did.

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Lo, it was a super--
a super overstimulated night

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on the eve of the world's destruction.

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00:28:32,671 --> 00:28:35,966
And at 56 Ludlow Street,

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I, Jack Smith, met Angus and Tony.

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00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:45,225
Tony Conrad, he took the apartment

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at 56 Ludlow Street
which became so important.

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I didn't want to be a part
of the economy,

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so I lived in an apartment
that cost $25.44 a month.

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When you crossed over,
it created a very strange change

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between Lower East Side documentary,
avant-garde lifestyle

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and then the formal art scene
of the-- what became Soho.

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00:29:13,337 --> 00:29:15,214
Jack, I guess, moved in with him.

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00:29:15,297 --> 00:29:19,092
The neighbors next door
were Piero Heliczer and his wife Kate.

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00:29:19,176 --> 00:29:22,137
Then Angus MacLise came back to New York,

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and he ended up in a third apartment
on the same floor at 56 Ludlow.

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00:29:26,016 --> 00:29:30,312
And then also Mario Montez
lived in the building. John…

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00:29:30,395 --> 00:29:32,523
John Cale moved in with Tony.

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00:29:36,527 --> 00:29:39,905
But that Ludlow Street core

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00:29:39,988 --> 00:29:45,494
became the Dream Syndicate
with La Monte Young.

402
00:29:45,577 --> 00:29:47,871
La Monte, Marian and Tony and I,

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00:29:47,955 --> 00:29:51,375
for a year and a half, we did this
for an hour and a half every day.

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00:29:52,042 --> 00:29:56,171
I've held a drone.
And it was a discipline,

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00:29:56,255 --> 00:29:59,007
and it opened your eyes
to a lot of possibilities.

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00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,429
Each frequency is perceived

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00:30:04,513 --> 00:30:07,307
at a different point
on the cerebral cortex.

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00:30:07,391 --> 00:30:12,938
So when you set up a group of frequencies
that are repeated over and over,

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00:30:13,021 --> 00:30:18,986
it establishes a psychological state
that can be very strong and profound.

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00:30:20,028 --> 00:30:23,574
You can hear details
in the harmonic series

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00:30:24,575 --> 00:30:29,329
that are extraordinarily beautiful
and unusual.

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00:30:30,747 --> 00:30:32,875
And you begin to realize

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00:30:32,958 --> 00:30:38,422
that there are new places in sound
that you could find a home.

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00:30:43,093 --> 00:30:46,513
We never had to worry about,
"Give me an A. Let's"-- No.

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00:30:46,597 --> 00:30:52,853
We found the most stable
thing that we could tune to

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00:30:52,936 --> 00:30:56,857
was the 60-cycle hum of the refrigerator.

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00:30:57,858 --> 00:31:03,197
Because 60-cycle hum was to us
the drone of Western civilization.

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00:31:07,326 --> 00:31:10,537
So the fundamental, that is,
the key that we're in,

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00:31:10,621 --> 00:31:14,875
if we're using the third harmonic
as 60 cycles, is ten cycles.

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00:31:14,958 --> 00:31:16,877
And, lo and behold, ten cycles is--

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00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,796
is the alpha rhythm of the brain
when you're asleep.

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00:31:22,382 --> 00:31:25,052
All of a sudden,
"Hey, there's a story here."

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00:31:27,888 --> 00:31:30,766
The interesting thing about
the Dream Syndicate

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00:31:30,849 --> 00:31:32,935
was, of course, it was minimalist music.

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00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:37,272
Full scale, hold one note,

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00:31:37,356 --> 00:31:40,234
and listen to all the intonations in it.

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00:31:41,610 --> 00:31:46,365
La Monte Young would
stretch one note into four hours.

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00:31:46,448 --> 00:31:49,243
I went with Andy
to one of his performances.

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00:32:06,802 --> 00:32:11,014
Before I had gone to the Factory,
I had seen Warhol's Kiss.

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00:32:13,809 --> 00:32:15,853
There were no titles.

431
00:32:15,936 --> 00:32:18,647
I had no idea who had made it.

432
00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:22,693
And it was a weekly serial,
so that every week,

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00:32:22,776 --> 00:32:25,904
a two-and-three-quarter-minute roll

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00:32:25,988 --> 00:32:29,867
shown at proper speed,
which was 16 frames a second.

435
00:32:33,871 --> 00:32:37,624
The thing that's always interesting
about the Warhol silents

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00:32:37,708 --> 00:32:40,711
is the reason they're unreal

437
00:32:40,794 --> 00:32:45,507
is they're supposed to be shown
at 16 frames a second,

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00:32:45,591 --> 00:32:50,637
which means that the people
in those images are breathing

439
00:32:50,721 --> 00:32:55,017
and their hearts are beating
in a different time frame

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00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,603
than yours is while you watch it.

441
00:32:57,686 --> 00:33:02,649
And that creates an incredible sense
of aesthetic distance.

442
00:33:10,991 --> 00:33:14,077
There is a post office
in the Empire State Building.

443
00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:21,418
And we were walking with bags of
Film Culture magazine to the post office,

444
00:33:21,502 --> 00:33:25,547
and we suddenly stopped
and looked at the building.

445
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:33,055
I think I said, "This is a perfect iconic
image for Andy Warhol."

446
00:33:35,807 --> 00:33:37,518
And that's how it happened.

447
00:33:50,072 --> 00:33:55,452
Warhol, avant-garde film
and avant-garde music,

448
00:33:55,536 --> 00:33:58,580
it was all about extended time.

449
00:34:22,521 --> 00:34:25,190
La Monte's idea of what music was

450
00:34:25,274 --> 00:34:27,734
was really--
I'd say it was a Chinese idea.

451
00:34:27,818 --> 00:34:30,152
Yes, it's the Chinese idea of time.

452
00:34:30,862 --> 00:34:34,157
And really, you know,
music lasts for centuries.

453
00:34:35,701 --> 00:34:41,665
This was an improvisational experience
and it's kind of a religious atmosphere.

454
00:34:41,748 --> 00:34:43,583
And also very mysterious.

455
00:34:45,793 --> 00:34:52,009
And then Tony, one day, walked in
with a pickup, and that was it.

456
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,929
We had the power with amplification.

457
00:35:02,227 --> 00:35:04,479
All sorts of things happened, you know?

458
00:35:05,105 --> 00:35:08,275
Difference tones and all that
that shake the building.

459
00:35:12,863 --> 00:35:15,240
I mean, it's really powerful.

460
00:35:15,324 --> 00:35:17,201
I mean, when we played, you know,

461
00:35:17,284 --> 00:35:19,661
it sounded like a B-52
was in your living room.

462
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:32,049
I'm a road runner, baby

463
00:35:32,132 --> 00:35:34,134
And you can't keep up with me

464
00:35:36,762 --> 00:35:39,056
I'm a road runner, baby

465
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,642
And you can't keep up with me

466
00:35:44,102 --> 00:35:46,522
Well, come on, baby, let's race

467
00:35:47,022 --> 00:35:48,899
Baby, baby, will you

468
00:35:48,982 --> 00:35:51,902
I had been collecting
rock and roll records

469
00:35:51,985 --> 00:35:53,403
as a kind of fetish.

470
00:35:54,905 --> 00:35:59,076
John was surprised to find this happening,
you know, when he moved in with me.

471
00:36:06,291 --> 00:36:08,669
We were listening to stuff
that was really--

472
00:36:08,752 --> 00:36:10,420
had more to do with what
we were doing with La Monte

473
00:36:10,504 --> 00:36:12,256
because of the harmonies
that were going on.

474
00:36:12,339 --> 00:36:14,049
The pure harmonies and all that.

475
00:36:15,092 --> 00:36:17,719
Hank Williams and the Everly Brothers.

476
00:36:20,013 --> 00:36:22,140
Dream

477
00:36:22,224 --> 00:36:24,309
"Dream." Dream.

478
00:36:24,393 --> 00:36:25,978
The way that song starts

479
00:36:26,061 --> 00:36:29,481
and you could hear
all the difference tones, I go, "Whoa."

480
00:36:29,565 --> 00:36:32,192
I was dazzled by rock and roll
by that point.

481
00:36:32,276 --> 00:36:34,319
I was dazzled by what the Beatles
were doing, and--

482
00:36:34,403 --> 00:36:36,029
and the lyrics that the Beatles
were singing.

483
00:36:36,113 --> 00:36:37,406
This was not childish stuff.

484
00:36:37,489 --> 00:36:38,949
"I know what it's like to be dead,

485
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:40,909
and you're making me feel
like I've never been born."

486
00:36:40,993 --> 00:36:43,537
Wait a minute. That's something
that Lou would write.

487
00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:47,457
And out of that became
that first crazy band,

488
00:36:47,541 --> 00:36:50,544
which was called something
like the Primitives.

489
00:36:50,627 --> 00:36:56,842
And that was John
and Walter De Maria

490
00:36:56,925 --> 00:37:00,512
and Tony and Lou.

491
00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:02,681
Okay, I want everybody to settle down now.

492
00:37:02,764 --> 00:37:04,224
We got something new
we're gonna show you now.

493
00:37:04,308 --> 00:37:06,435
It's gonna knock you dead
when we come upside your head.

494
00:37:06,518 --> 00:37:09,646
You get ready. Said here we go.
Yeah. All right.

495
00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:13,108
As a staff songwriter
on a budget label in Long Island City,

496
00:37:13,775 --> 00:37:15,110
I moved to New York.

497
00:37:18,822 --> 00:37:22,868
Pickwick was a very successful
budget record company.

498
00:37:22,951 --> 00:37:25,120
Ninety-nine cent records.

499
00:37:25,204 --> 00:37:30,000
Twelve surfing songs or twelve
"we're breaking up" songs.

500
00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:31,835
And they would sell them at Woolworths.

501
00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:37,799
He had a vision.

502
00:37:37,883 --> 00:37:41,720
He was talented beyond his talent,
if you understand what I mean.

503
00:37:42,262 --> 00:37:45,224
He can't sing, he can't play,

504
00:37:45,307 --> 00:37:49,770
but everything he does in that
crackly voice of his resonated with me.

505
00:37:50,354 --> 00:37:54,608
With Lou, we were gonna blaze a trail,
which eventually he did do.

506
00:37:57,694 --> 00:37:59,863
Tony had got an invitation to a party.

507
00:37:59,947 --> 00:38:02,699
And we went up there, and this guy
comes up to us and said, "Hey.

508
00:38:02,783 --> 00:38:04,117
You guys look very commercial.

509
00:38:04,201 --> 00:38:05,869
Would you like to come
and promote a record?

510
00:38:05,953 --> 00:38:08,080
Now, come out to Long Island City."

511
00:38:08,163 --> 00:38:13,252
And it was Pickwick Records, and
their songwriter at the time was Lou Reed.

512
00:38:15,712 --> 00:38:19,716
When I met Lou,
there was a lot of eyeballing going on.

513
00:38:20,634 --> 00:38:23,762
So we had coffee, and I had my viola.

514
00:38:23,846 --> 00:38:25,848
Oh, one more time

515
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:29,560
I was still playing
sort of classical viola

516
00:38:29,643 --> 00:38:33,021
with this heavy vibrato and really
sounded, like, really classical

517
00:38:33,105 --> 00:38:34,731
and good and all of that,

518
00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:39,319
and Lou said,
"Shit. I knew you had an edge on me."

519
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:43,657
Everybody get down on your face now

520
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:45,409
Are you ready?

521
00:38:45,492 --> 00:38:48,245
I wanted to do
a writing session with them.

522
00:38:48,328 --> 00:38:52,416
I kept saying to them that we ought
to write on the fly,

523
00:38:52,499 --> 00:38:54,585
which they all liked.

524
00:38:54,668 --> 00:38:57,671
And interestingly enough,
he was the key to that.

525
00:38:57,754 --> 00:39:02,926
He was a songwriter, and he started
to play the lick. And I loved it.

526
00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:07,598
And then immediately John
and all of them, they were with it.

527
00:39:07,681 --> 00:39:09,975
And that's where we did "The Ostrich,"

528
00:39:10,058 --> 00:39:12,311
where many, many great producers

529
00:39:12,394 --> 00:39:16,398
like Warren Thompson
of Elektra Records loved that.

530
00:39:16,481 --> 00:39:20,110
-Do the ostrich
-Whoa-whoa-whoa whoa, yeah

531
00:39:20,194 --> 00:39:23,614
You turn to the left
And then you feet upside your left

532
00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:25,532
You did great.

533
00:39:26,491 --> 00:39:29,077
The song had been written
on a guitar that was tuned to one note.

534
00:39:29,161 --> 00:39:33,957
There was tremendous noise from the guitar
and Lou doing tambourine and singing.

535
00:39:34,041 --> 00:39:36,001
And he was totally spontaneous.

536
00:39:36,084 --> 00:39:38,879
Exactly what you think of
when you think of guys in--

537
00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:41,882
in a garage doing stuff like that.

538
00:39:41,965 --> 00:39:43,425
And it was great.

539
00:39:43,509 --> 00:39:45,552
Yeah, I missed that in my childhood.

540
00:39:48,096 --> 00:39:51,350
Then we're on the same bill
with Shirley Ellis or--

541
00:39:51,433 --> 00:39:54,269
"Bo-nana-bana fee-fo-fum."
You know that-- that song?

542
00:39:54,353 --> 00:39:58,273
And the DJ said, "Yay! That's great.
Now we have this band here."

543
00:39:58,357 --> 00:40:00,901
He said, "It's the Primitives
right from New York City

544
00:40:00,984 --> 00:40:03,195
with their latest hit song 'The Ostrich.'"

545
00:40:06,573 --> 00:40:12,287
I felt that this was like
an almost magical mistake.

546
00:40:12,371 --> 00:40:14,998
It was such a displacement.

547
00:40:15,082 --> 00:40:21,630
I never saw this as a vehicle
for my serious music efforts.

548
00:40:23,215 --> 00:40:27,511
At Pickwick, I will tell you that he had
a tremendous track record

549
00:40:27,594 --> 00:40:31,890
of being high, of being sick,

550
00:40:31,974 --> 00:40:37,604
of falling down, of having me
have to rush him over to a hospital.

551
00:40:38,397 --> 00:40:41,650
Frankly,
that was one of the reasons why I,

552
00:40:41,733 --> 00:40:46,572
as much as I thought he was talented,
I wanted to end the relationship also.

553
00:40:47,072 --> 00:40:51,326
And Lou said, "They won't let me
record the songs I wanna do."

554
00:40:51,827 --> 00:40:54,705
And that was, like, red to a bull.
I said, "What?"

555
00:40:55,497 --> 00:40:58,083
And I said, "What are the songs
that you wanna--"

556
00:40:58,166 --> 00:40:59,960
And he showed me these other songs.

557
00:41:00,043 --> 00:41:03,297
I was writing about pain.

558
00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:06,383
And I was writing about things that hurt.

559
00:41:06,466 --> 00:41:11,054
And I was writing about reality as I
knew it, or friends of mine had known,

560
00:41:11,138 --> 00:41:13,891
or things I had seen, or heard, or--

561
00:41:13,974 --> 00:41:18,937
I was interested in communicating
to people who were on the outside.

562
00:41:19,021 --> 00:41:20,355
He said, "Why won't they play?"

563
00:41:20,439 --> 00:41:22,274
Because people will complain
about these songs

564
00:41:22,357 --> 00:41:25,027
being about advocating the use of drugs.

565
00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:26,570
But they're not about drugs.

566
00:41:26,653 --> 00:41:30,866
They're about guys who are sick
and dissatisfied with their lives.

567
00:41:30,949 --> 00:41:32,534
Why don't we go do it ourselves?

568
00:41:32,618 --> 00:41:39,541
In 1964, that same apartment on Ludlow,
then it was now Cale and Reed.

569
00:41:39,625 --> 00:41:42,461
"I'm Waiting for the Man."
Words and music Lou Reed.

570
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,939
It's useful for you to be antagonistic

571
00:42:02,606 --> 00:42:05,651
because you define a position

572
00:42:05,734 --> 00:42:10,447
and you define the opposite position
and build something out of that.

573
00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:14,117
The thing that we understood where we were

574
00:42:14,201 --> 00:42:17,412
and how much disdain we had
for everything else, and it worked.

575
00:42:17,496 --> 00:42:20,707
Oh, pardon me, sir
Nothing could be further from my mind

576
00:42:20,791 --> 00:42:22,751
But I'm just waiting for a dear
Dear friend of mine

577
00:42:22,835 --> 00:42:26,004
Yeah, he was always saying, "Shit, man.

578
00:42:26,088 --> 00:42:30,092
How the fuck did this happen? From Wales?"

579
00:42:31,718 --> 00:42:35,180
He showed me the lyrics for "Venus
in Furs" and "I'm Waiting for the Man,"

580
00:42:35,264 --> 00:42:39,059
and I thought these were really coherent,
well-crafted lyrics.

581
00:42:39,142 --> 00:42:44,439
But I said, "Wait, the music is not
backing up what these lyrics are about."

582
00:42:44,523 --> 00:42:46,692
And I got very excited
and I think I got Lou excited

583
00:42:46,775 --> 00:42:48,402
about what the possibilities were.

584
00:42:49,444 --> 00:42:53,532
And we went through all sorts
of different calibrations

585
00:42:53,615 --> 00:42:57,828
of trios, quartets, whatever.

586
00:43:21,059 --> 00:43:23,228
Shiny, shiny…

587
00:43:23,312 --> 00:43:28,609
He was on a subway one day and he
met Sterling with no shoes on in winter,

588
00:43:28,692 --> 00:43:31,028
and he hadn't seen him since Syracuse.

589
00:43:39,328 --> 00:43:42,539
Well, I'm sure he saw Lou
play with his band at Syracuse,

590
00:43:42,623 --> 00:43:44,208
and I'm sure he wanted in.

591
00:43:45,083 --> 00:43:47,127
I think he just wanted to do it.
He was ready.

592
00:43:47,211 --> 00:43:49,880
He'd been playing
since he was 15, taught himself.

593
00:43:49,963 --> 00:43:52,966
He was always
holding his guitar at parties,

594
00:43:53,050 --> 00:43:57,471
and that's what he wanted to do.
And… there was the chance.

595
00:43:58,180 --> 00:44:01,725
All of a sudden we had a guitar player
who really thought about his guitar solos.

596
00:44:02,184 --> 00:44:04,478
Lou and I would sit around,
and we'd improvise.

597
00:44:04,561 --> 00:44:07,147
And Sterling would solo.

598
00:44:08,106 --> 00:44:11,902
You know, he played really good,
like, Isley Brothers guitar.

599
00:44:12,611 --> 00:44:16,031
He was very natural and gentle.

600
00:44:18,408 --> 00:44:24,581
The idea that you can combine R & B
and Wagner was around the corner.

601
00:44:33,757 --> 00:44:36,552
I was driving home from class one day

602
00:44:36,635 --> 00:44:41,306
and "Not Fade Away" came
on the radio, the Stones version,

603
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:46,144
and pulled off the road 'cause it was
just too exciting to just keep driving.

604
00:44:48,772 --> 00:44:50,774
They were looking for a drummer,

605
00:44:50,858 --> 00:44:53,861
and I said,
"Well, Jim's sister plays the drums."

606
00:44:54,736 --> 00:44:56,488
And I drove Lou out to meet her.

607
00:44:58,282 --> 00:45:01,410
And Maureen was
the sister of an old friend of mine,

608
00:45:01,493 --> 00:45:06,081
who also went to Syracuse
and who also was friends with Lou.

609
00:45:06,164 --> 00:45:11,170
And Maureen had been playing
with a girls' band in Long Island,

610
00:45:11,253 --> 00:45:12,713
and they broke up.

611
00:45:13,755 --> 00:45:16,258
So she just came in to do,

612
00:45:16,341 --> 00:45:18,260
I don't know,
just to do a little percussion,

613
00:45:18,343 --> 00:45:20,762
and just fool around.

614
00:45:20,846 --> 00:45:23,056
I don't know. It was very casual.

615
00:45:25,142 --> 00:45:27,769
And when she'd come home
at night, like 5:00,

616
00:45:27,853 --> 00:45:29,438
she'd put on Bo Diddley records

617
00:45:29,521 --> 00:45:31,940
and, like, play every night
from 5:00 to 12:00.

618
00:45:32,024 --> 00:45:34,651
And so we figured she'd be
the perfect drummer. And she was.

619
00:45:35,777 --> 00:45:38,906
It was fun, and I really was excited

620
00:45:38,989 --> 00:45:42,492
to have the opportunity
to play live with people.

621
00:45:42,576 --> 00:45:45,495
I'd never played with anybody before.
So that was fun.

622
00:45:49,082 --> 00:45:51,710
The way we could give Bob Dylan
a run for his money

623
00:45:51,793 --> 00:45:55,130
was to go out onstage and improvise
different songs every night.

624
00:45:55,214 --> 00:45:56,715
And Lou was expert at this.

625
00:45:56,798 --> 00:46:00,052
He could just improvise lyrics
at a drop of a hat about anything.

626
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,306
He could come and sit down
with the guitar and I'd play the viola,

627
00:46:04,389 --> 00:46:06,016
and he would start a song.

628
00:46:08,143 --> 00:46:11,772
Up would pop a lyric
that was really unusual.

629
00:46:11,855 --> 00:46:15,901
Then it all would roll around
and we would get something.

630
00:46:16,777 --> 00:46:20,697
You never knew when Lou or John
was gonna go off into nowhere land

631
00:46:20,781 --> 00:46:23,408
and be playing who-knows-what.

632
00:46:23,492 --> 00:46:25,577
I felt like my role was to be there

633
00:46:25,661 --> 00:46:28,664
so when they're ready to come back,
there it is.

634
00:46:29,373 --> 00:46:33,669
Lou, right next to me--
It was like a wall went up of sound.

635
00:46:35,754 --> 00:46:38,757
And I would watch his mouth to know
where we were in the song.

636
00:46:41,343 --> 00:46:43,428
I basically followed Lou.

637
00:46:45,097 --> 00:46:48,684
Apart from all the
well-crafted songs that he would write,

638
00:46:48,767 --> 00:46:51,103
this improvisation was what
I was interested in.

639
00:46:54,857 --> 00:46:58,485
Strongly influenced by coming directly
from the subconscious.

640
00:46:58,569 --> 00:47:02,322
And when I heard Lou's tales
of shock therapy,

641
00:47:03,115 --> 00:47:05,951
I kind of put it all together in my head.

642
00:47:08,954 --> 00:47:11,456
The way that struck a chord
mainly with the music

643
00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:14,626
was the music was really dream music.

644
00:47:16,587 --> 00:47:20,757
And what I really liked in most of
the rock and roll that was going on

645
00:47:20,841 --> 00:47:23,427
was the repetitive nature of the riffs,

646
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:26,138
and what was the one riff
that you could create

647
00:47:26,221 --> 00:47:31,351
that would exist and live happily
throughout the entire song.

648
00:47:32,269 --> 00:47:34,479
And drone was obviously one of them.

649
00:47:59,505 --> 00:48:01,840
When we formed the Velvet Underground

650
00:48:01,924 --> 00:48:06,470
I had some songs and having them
come to life like that, that was amazing.

651
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,516
I mean, I was a guy playing in bar bands.

652
00:48:14,770 --> 00:48:16,730
In most collaborations,

653
00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:18,815
it's when you put two and two
together and get seven.

654
00:48:20,943 --> 00:48:24,404
That weirdness, it shouldn't have
existed in this space.

655
00:48:25,948 --> 00:48:29,076
And there was always a standard
that was kind of set

656
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,164
for how to be elegant
and how to be brutal.

657
00:48:48,345 --> 00:48:53,475
Shiny, shiny, shiny boots of leather

658
00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:59,356
Whiplash girlchild in the dark

659
00:49:01,650 --> 00:49:06,905
Comes in bells, your servant
Don't forsake him

660
00:49:08,156 --> 00:49:12,870
Strike, dear mistress
And cure his heart

661
00:49:24,798 --> 00:49:27,217
I am tired

662
00:49:28,093 --> 00:49:29,887
I am weary

663
00:49:31,221 --> 00:49:36,226
I could sleep for a thousand years

664
00:49:37,603 --> 00:49:43,066
A thousand dreams that would awake me

665
00:49:44,651 --> 00:49:47,738
The drone fit in as soon
as "Venus in Furs" hit, you know.

666
00:49:47,821 --> 00:49:51,325
I knew that we had a way
of doing something in rock and roll

667
00:49:51,408 --> 00:49:52,659
that nobody else had done.

668
00:49:55,078 --> 00:50:00,292
And all that was done with detuned guitars
that I was really proud of,

669
00:50:00,375 --> 00:50:02,127
because I'd say, "Hey, Lou.

670
00:50:02,211 --> 00:50:04,880
Nobody's gonna be able to figure out
how the hell to do this."

671
00:50:06,048 --> 00:50:09,009
In some ways I was surprised
by the response in New York.

672
00:50:09,092 --> 00:50:12,012
I thought we did something
no one else did.

673
00:50:12,095 --> 00:50:15,891
Shiny leather in the dark

674
00:50:16,808 --> 00:50:21,021
I thought what we did was so brave

675
00:50:21,104 --> 00:50:24,399
that people would really
just be bowled over by it.

676
00:50:24,483 --> 00:50:30,197
Strike, dear mistress
And cure his heart

677
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,866
Café Bizarre, very small thing.

678
00:50:33,492 --> 00:50:35,744
We were real excited
that they had this job.

679
00:50:36,578 --> 00:50:40,916
Not too many people there.
Nobody dancing. Very weird.

680
00:50:40,999 --> 00:50:43,460
Some had their backs to the crowd.

681
00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:47,923
They had this off-putting aura.

682
00:50:48,882 --> 00:50:51,260
You know, yikes, they were scary.

683
00:50:57,432 --> 00:51:01,478
Barbara Rubin was one of these
elite downtown filmmakers.

684
00:51:01,562 --> 00:51:04,356
Really knew Bob Dylan, knew Andy.

685
00:51:04,439 --> 00:51:07,651
She worked very hard
to put people together.

686
00:51:07,734 --> 00:51:11,154
She came into the Factory and announced
there was a band downtown

687
00:51:11,238 --> 00:51:13,198
that they should really come and see.

688
00:51:14,533 --> 00:51:17,202
Suddenly,
many more people were in the club.

689
00:51:23,542 --> 00:51:26,461
Gerard was the diplomatic face
of the Factory.

690
00:51:26,545 --> 00:51:28,589
And he came to me and said,

691
00:51:28,672 --> 00:51:31,592
"You guys are invited to come up
to the Factory tomorrow afternoon."

692
00:51:41,059 --> 00:51:43,854
Barbara Rubin brings them in,
they're all dressed in black…

693
00:51:45,731 --> 00:51:47,024
and they started playing.

694
00:51:50,611 --> 00:51:53,447
They played "Heroin." We were like…

695
00:51:55,699 --> 00:51:57,910
Unbelievable. Just completely bowled over.

696
00:52:00,996 --> 00:52:06,168
The thing that was
so encouraging and inspiring

697
00:52:06,251 --> 00:52:10,255
when we got to the Factory
was that it was all about work.

698
00:52:12,591 --> 00:52:14,968
Every day when I walked in there,
he was always there ahead of me,

699
00:52:15,052 --> 00:52:17,429
he'd always say,
"How many songs did you write?"

700
00:52:17,513 --> 00:52:20,557
"I wrote ten." And he said,
"Oh, you're so lazy, you know.

701
00:52:20,641 --> 00:52:22,267
Why didn't you write 15?"

702
00:52:24,603 --> 00:52:26,313
People would come in, people would go.

703
00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:29,650
Faces would come in
that you'd recognize, faces would go.

704
00:52:32,945 --> 00:52:35,072
And it was all commerce.

705
00:52:36,949 --> 00:52:40,953
I don't know

706
00:52:44,331 --> 00:52:46,542
Just where I'm going

707
00:52:54,716 --> 00:52:57,135
But I'm

708
00:52:59,221 --> 00:53:01,682
Gonna try

709
00:53:01,765 --> 00:53:05,769
For the kingdom if I can

710
00:53:05,853 --> 00:53:09,356
'Cause it makes me feel like I'm a man

711
00:53:09,439 --> 00:53:12,442
When I put a spike into my vein

712
00:53:13,026 --> 00:53:16,321
And I tell you things
Aren't quite the same

713
00:53:16,405 --> 00:53:19,408
When I'm rushing on my run

714
00:53:19,491 --> 00:53:22,578
And I feel just like Jesus' son

715
00:53:22,661 --> 00:53:25,914
And I guess that I just don't know

716
00:53:25,998 --> 00:53:29,668
And I guess that I just don't know

717
00:53:31,461 --> 00:53:33,755
Andy is a divinity.

718
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:37,467
He's an extraplanetary being.

719
00:53:38,343 --> 00:53:41,930
He was like a father
always saying, "Yes, yes, yes."

720
00:53:42,014 --> 00:53:47,644
That part of his character, that, I think,
made everybody come to the Factory.

721
00:53:47,728 --> 00:53:49,271
They felt like home.

722
00:53:49,354 --> 00:53:51,940
Is when the blood begins to flow

723
00:53:52,024 --> 00:53:55,319
When it shoots up the dropper's neck

724
00:53:55,402 --> 00:53:58,572
When I'm closing in on death

725
00:54:05,454 --> 00:54:08,957
You can't help me, not you guys

726
00:54:09,041 --> 00:54:11,835
Or all you sweet girls
With all your sweet talk

727
00:54:11,919 --> 00:54:13,420
I wanted to impress him.

728
00:54:15,005 --> 00:54:18,800
He was an audience.
I was desperate for an audience.

729
00:54:18,884 --> 00:54:21,720
All right. Just--
You don't have to do anything.

730
00:54:22,596 --> 00:54:24,056
Just what you're doing.

731
00:54:31,104 --> 00:54:32,105
That's it.

732
00:54:36,527 --> 00:54:37,986
There was no direction.

733
00:54:40,155 --> 00:54:41,240
Heroin

734
00:54:41,323 --> 00:54:42,991
Warhol never made a sound,

735
00:54:43,075 --> 00:54:45,953
but his presence started the thunder
after a while,

736
00:54:46,036 --> 00:54:47,663
'cause he didn't make a sound.

737
00:54:47,746 --> 00:54:49,665
Be the death of me

738
00:54:49,748 --> 00:54:51,959
So you're propelled to do something.

739
00:54:58,841 --> 00:55:04,263
Heroin

740
00:55:05,889 --> 00:55:08,767
Look straight into the camera.

741
00:55:08,851 --> 00:55:12,271
Try not to move. Try not to blink.

742
00:55:14,439 --> 00:55:16,024
It was really a skill.

743
00:55:16,108 --> 00:55:18,944
And then I'm better off than dead

744
00:55:38,297 --> 00:55:41,800
And thank God that I just don't care

745
00:55:41,884 --> 00:55:45,095
And I guess that I just don't know

746
00:55:45,179 --> 00:55:48,640
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know

747
00:55:57,191 --> 00:56:02,529
Heroin

748
00:56:04,656 --> 00:56:06,158
Be the death of me

749
00:56:06,241 --> 00:56:09,369
We're sponsoring a new band.
It's called the Velvet Underground.

750
00:56:09,870 --> 00:56:11,955
Well, since I don't really believe
in painting anymore,

751
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:14,666
I thought it would be a nice way
of combining--

752
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:18,712
And we have this chance
to combine music and art

753
00:56:18,795 --> 00:56:21,882
and films all together.

754
00:56:21,965 --> 00:56:24,968
And we're still working on kind of a--

755
00:56:25,052 --> 00:56:26,678
the biggest discotheque in the world.

756
00:56:51,453 --> 00:56:52,746
I'm telling you

757
00:56:53,288 --> 00:56:57,125
And pretty much
everything in June, in the recent past…

758
00:56:58,043 --> 00:57:00,921
-Is it on?
-The present shows…

759
00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:05,717
There's a lot of good things happening

760
00:57:05,801 --> 00:57:07,427
…business wise.

761
00:57:07,511 --> 00:57:09,680
You've got the world coming up
in this position

762
00:57:09,763 --> 00:57:11,598
…and that's success and a great deal

763
00:57:11,682 --> 00:57:13,392
…of happiness to come.

764
00:57:13,475 --> 00:57:15,853
And the wheel of fortune which, uh…

765
00:57:15,936 --> 00:57:20,691
indicates more of your, um…
ambitions and also

766
00:57:20,774 --> 00:57:23,610
very close friends,
people that are very close.

767
00:57:23,694 --> 00:57:27,155
Not much dissension going on,
ya know, right now.

768
00:57:27,906 --> 00:57:30,659
Ya know,
no arguments and that type of thing.

769
00:57:30,742 --> 00:57:32,369
That's because we're not working now.

770
00:57:32,452 --> 00:57:34,246
It shows a…

771
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:45,841
Career, business, um…
your profession, that type of thing

772
00:57:45,924 --> 00:57:49,178
shows a lot of competition… always.

773
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,806
There will always be a great deal
of competition…

774
00:57:56,351 --> 00:57:59,897
For the most part,
people who came to the Factory

775
00:57:59,980 --> 00:58:02,149
came because the cameras were running.

776
00:58:02,232 --> 00:58:07,738
And they thought they could become famous,
they could become stars.

777
00:58:15,245 --> 00:58:17,831
A very promising outlook.
A lot of new insight.

778
00:58:17,915 --> 00:58:19,750
And a lot of new things happening.

779
00:58:20,375 --> 00:58:25,714
Some ideal of female beauty,

780
00:58:26,548 --> 00:58:31,220
and if you didn't measure up…

781
00:58:31,303 --> 00:58:33,889
And who ever could measure up?

782
00:58:35,057 --> 00:58:36,934
That was very, very damaging.

783
00:58:38,644 --> 00:58:40,521
It was not a good place for women.

784
00:58:41,355 --> 00:58:46,068
And if you never can get past the fact
that what you were valued for

785
00:58:46,151 --> 00:58:47,986
is primarily your looks…

786
00:58:52,241 --> 00:58:54,826
then, you know.

787
00:58:57,788 --> 00:58:59,414
One day we were working at the Factory,

788
00:58:59,498 --> 00:59:02,835
and Gerard just came back from Europe.

789
00:59:02,918 --> 00:59:08,131
He had a 45-rpm single record,
and it was this strange voice…

790
00:59:08,215 --> 00:59:11,760
That I care that you love me

791
00:59:11,844 --> 00:59:14,471
I'm not saying that I care

792
00:59:14,555 --> 00:59:19,059
I'm not saying I'll be there
When you want me

793
00:59:19,142 --> 00:59:21,520
She had been in La Dolce Vita.

794
00:59:21,603 --> 00:59:23,522
Anita Ekberg was the star,

795
00:59:23,605 --> 00:59:28,443
but Nico was like the clandestine face
in that movie that everybody saw

796
00:59:28,527 --> 00:59:30,612
because she's so hauntingly beautiful.

797
00:59:35,409 --> 00:59:37,995
Then eventually, Nico came to New York.

798
00:59:41,206 --> 00:59:45,502
Paul started getting interested
in Nico in a promotional way.

799
00:59:47,045 --> 00:59:52,759
Somehow, Paul started convincing Andy that
you can't have just a rock and roll group,

800
00:59:52,843 --> 00:59:57,431
because Lou's not that much
of a big looker guy or anything,

801
00:59:57,514 --> 01:00:00,976
you know, he doesn't have a great voice.
"You gotta have a beautiful girl in it."

802
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:10,777
Lou had to be just about begged
by Andy to do it.

803
01:00:15,866 --> 01:00:18,702
There she goes again

804
01:00:18,785 --> 01:00:21,622
I know it irritated them to death
in the beginning

805
01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:24,625
that she simply could not hold a pitch.

806
01:00:27,544 --> 01:00:32,174
I think it was John again who figured out
what to do with that voice.

807
01:00:36,178 --> 01:00:37,721
A lot of it was uncanny.

808
01:00:37,804 --> 01:00:39,890
In that she couldn't do this,
she couldn't do that,

809
01:00:39,973 --> 01:00:42,601
and then all of a sudden
she could do it all very well.

810
01:00:43,644 --> 01:00:45,187
I have to learn that.

811
01:00:54,279 --> 01:00:58,408
All of a sudden,
you realize the eye for publicity

812
01:00:58,492 --> 01:01:02,996
and the idea of this blonde iceberg
in the middle of the stage

813
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,915
next to us all dressed in black.

814
01:01:05,499 --> 01:01:09,253
I'll be your mirror
Reflect what you are

815
01:01:09,336 --> 01:01:11,129
In case you don't know

816
01:01:11,213 --> 01:01:15,050
The three or four songs she sang
were perfect for her,

817
01:01:15,133 --> 01:01:18,095
and anyone else singing them,
it just doesn't work.

818
01:01:20,055 --> 01:01:22,975
She was always very mysterious
to us in the band.

819
01:01:23,058 --> 01:01:25,143
We were not widely traveled.

820
01:01:25,227 --> 01:01:27,938
We were not sophisticated,
except for John.

821
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:30,440
Except that she could sing.

822
01:01:30,524 --> 01:01:34,945
She was not there
just simply to stand up and be beautiful.

823
01:01:35,028 --> 01:01:37,781
Please put down your hands

824
01:01:37,865 --> 01:01:40,617
'Cause I see you

825
01:01:50,419 --> 01:01:54,840
Andy had wanted her
to sing inside a plexiglass box,

826
01:01:54,923 --> 01:01:56,717
and Nico wasn't having it.

827
01:01:57,467 --> 01:02:00,304
She was a serious musician,
and she wanted to sing these songs.

828
01:02:01,305 --> 01:02:04,141
The spectacle of her beauty

829
01:02:05,184 --> 01:02:09,062
I think was completely beside the point
for her.

830
01:02:09,146 --> 01:02:11,565
So you won't be afraid

831
01:02:11,648 --> 01:02:15,652
When you think the night
Has seen your mind

832
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,156
It might've been Andy's take on her,
you know,

833
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:21,992
she's so remote, she's so unreachable.

834
01:02:22,075 --> 01:02:23,911
I don't think she wanted to be
super famous.

835
01:02:23,994 --> 01:02:27,789
I think she just wanted to make good work
that was, you know, good.

836
01:02:28,582 --> 01:02:29,750
'Cause I see you

837
01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:32,461
When you're not famous,
you get compared to whoever.

838
01:02:32,544 --> 01:02:36,632
You know, so she would be compared
with Marlene Dietrich or Garbo.

839
01:02:37,132 --> 01:02:40,260
-I'll be your mirror
-Reflect what you are

840
01:02:41,261 --> 01:02:43,847
-I'll be your mirror
-Reflect what you are

841
01:02:43,931 --> 01:02:45,641
Now they compare people to her.

842
01:02:45,724 --> 01:02:48,894
-I'll be your mirror
-Reflect what you are

843
01:02:50,771 --> 01:02:52,189
We got something from them.

844
01:02:52,272 --> 01:02:56,318
We met Tom Wilson,
who did-- produced Bob Dylan

845
01:02:56,401 --> 01:02:58,403
and we were getting somewhere.

846
01:02:58,487 --> 01:03:00,072
We could make a record.

847
01:03:00,155 --> 01:03:04,576
Norman Dolph walked in,
gave $1,500 to Andy to make the record.

848
01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:06,578
Wow.

849
01:03:07,454 --> 01:03:08,830
We were chasing something.

850
01:03:13,627 --> 01:03:16,922
I'm waiting for my man

851
01:03:21,301 --> 01:03:23,929
Twenty-six dollars in my hand

852
01:03:27,933 --> 01:03:31,353
Up to Lexington, 125

853
01:03:31,436 --> 01:03:35,440
Feel sick and dirty
More dead than alive

854
01:03:36,149 --> 01:03:39,278
Andy was extraordinary,
and I honestly don't think

855
01:03:39,361 --> 01:03:41,947
these things could've occurred
without Andy.

856
01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:43,699
I don't know
if we would've gotten a contract

857
01:03:43,782 --> 01:03:46,785
if he hadn't said he'd do the cover.
Or if Nico wasn't so beautiful.

858
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:55,252
Hey, white boy
You chasin' our women around?

859
01:03:58,630 --> 01:04:02,050
Oh, pardon me, sir
It's furthest from my mind

860
01:04:03,177 --> 01:04:06,054
We rehearsed
for a year for the banana album.

861
01:04:08,223 --> 01:04:09,975
Andy produced our first record

862
01:04:10,058 --> 01:04:13,353
in the sense that he was there
breathing in the studio.

863
01:04:13,437 --> 01:04:15,981
But he did more than just that.

864
01:04:16,064 --> 01:04:18,150
He made it possible for us
to make a record

865
01:04:18,233 --> 01:04:22,529
without anybody changing it or everything,
because Andy Warhol was there.

866
01:04:25,115 --> 01:04:28,952
PR shoes and a big straw hat

867
01:04:29,036 --> 01:04:30,954
He understood exactly what we were about

868
01:04:31,038 --> 01:04:36,210
and what our creative side was all about
and how best to bring that out.

869
01:04:37,044 --> 01:04:39,463
And he gave us a lot of support.

870
01:04:39,546 --> 01:04:41,381
…gotta wait

871
01:04:41,465 --> 01:04:45,052
I'm waiting for my man

872
01:04:45,135 --> 01:04:48,680
Nico was in love with Lou.
Andy was in love with Lou.

873
01:04:49,473 --> 01:04:52,893
Boys and girls, men and women,
fell in love with him.

874
01:05:03,362 --> 01:05:06,740
I was already painting and drawing
and wanting to be understood,

875
01:05:06,823 --> 01:05:08,659
and was looking for a scene

876
01:05:08,742 --> 01:05:13,789
until a friend of mine brought over
their record when I was 15,

877
01:05:13,872 --> 01:05:17,125
and he wanted to trade it
'cause he-- it wasn't his taste,

878
01:05:17,209 --> 01:05:20,212
and I had a Fugs record
that I was willing to pass up.

879
01:05:20,295 --> 01:05:22,589
I loved the cadence of Lou Reed's voice.

880
01:05:22,673 --> 01:05:26,510
"PR shoes and a big straw hat."

881
01:05:28,011 --> 01:05:29,680
The-- The--

882
01:05:32,683 --> 01:05:35,894
And then the Cale drone underneath it.

883
01:05:37,145 --> 01:05:39,064
You know, and that was it.

884
01:05:39,147 --> 01:05:41,733
I mean, you don't want this record?
This is for me.

885
01:05:41,817 --> 01:05:44,152
These people would under--
the first words out of my mouth

886
01:05:44,236 --> 01:05:46,905
might have been,
"These people would understand me."

887
01:05:49,324 --> 01:05:51,702
He's got the works
Gives you sweet taste

888
01:05:51,785 --> 01:05:53,537
There were elements
of what Lou was doing

889
01:05:53,620 --> 01:05:58,333
that were just unavoidably right.
The nature of his lyric writing.

890
01:05:58,417 --> 01:06:03,589
Dylan had certainly brought a new kind of
intelligence to pop song writing.

891
01:06:03,672 --> 01:06:06,717
But then Lou had taken it
to the avant-garde

892
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,554
and had its roots in
Baudelaire and Rimbaud and…

893
01:06:10,637 --> 01:06:13,473
But at that time,
it wasn't considered important.

894
01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:20,647
Not promoted.

895
01:06:20,731 --> 01:06:23,609
A lot of radio stations
wouldn't play our stuff.

896
01:06:23,692 --> 01:06:26,570
"Heroin" and, you know, they don't--
they wouldn't play them.

897
01:06:27,821 --> 01:06:29,740
But also MGM was not the--

898
01:06:29,823 --> 01:06:33,118
I think at that point, they had decided
that the Mothers of Invention

899
01:06:33,202 --> 01:06:36,872
were a better bet,
and they just didn't do much at all.

900
01:06:36,955 --> 01:06:39,750
Almost like they signed us
to sort of get us off the streets.

901
01:06:39,833 --> 01:06:42,586
Until tomorrow, but that's just
Some other time

902
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:47,174
I'm waiting for my man

903
01:06:48,884 --> 01:06:50,302
Walk it home

904
01:06:58,227 --> 01:06:59,686
Oh, it's all right

905
01:07:01,396 --> 01:07:03,190
We've all come here together.

906
01:07:03,273 --> 01:07:06,026
Andy Warhol, poet Gerard Malanga.

907
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:08,487
Over there, if you move your camera,
Ed Sanders

908
01:07:08,570 --> 01:07:10,697
of a rock and roll group called the Fugs.

909
01:07:10,781 --> 01:07:14,576
Peter Orlovsky, who is a poet
and who also sings Indian mantras.

910
01:07:14,660 --> 01:07:17,287
Jonas Mekas takes movies,
which he's doing now.

911
01:07:19,414 --> 01:07:22,042
In the New York area alone,

912
01:07:22,125 --> 01:07:25,879
there were, like, 30, 40 different artists

913
01:07:25,963 --> 01:07:29,967
doing something that did not stick
to their own art,

914
01:07:30,050 --> 01:07:32,344
but included other arts.

915
01:07:34,763 --> 01:07:38,100
So we organized the first such festival,

916
01:07:38,183 --> 01:07:41,562
like a survey in what was happening

917
01:07:41,645 --> 01:07:45,816
in expanded arts and expanded cinema.

918
01:07:45,899 --> 01:07:49,528
That was in November, December '65.

919
01:07:49,611 --> 01:07:55,158
In '66, I rented a theater on 41st Street

920
01:07:55,242 --> 01:07:58,537
in Times Square, and we continued there.

921
01:08:02,916 --> 01:08:07,754
That's where Chelsea Girls opened,
a lot of Warhol movies.

922
01:08:16,889 --> 01:08:19,975
Teenage Mary said to Uncle Dave

923
01:08:20,058 --> 01:08:23,478
"I sold my soul, must be saved

924
01:08:23,562 --> 01:08:25,731
We decided we would do
a multimedia thing,

925
01:08:25,814 --> 01:08:30,068
and it ran for a few weeks, and it was
called "Andy Warhol's Up-Tight."

926
01:08:30,652 --> 01:08:33,363
And it starred the Velvet Underground
and Gerard Malanga

927
01:08:33,447 --> 01:08:36,658
and Mary Woronov
doing the dancing and all.

928
01:08:36,742 --> 01:08:40,412
Run, run, run, run, run
Gypsy death to you

929
01:08:40,495 --> 01:08:42,872
Tell you whatcha do

930
01:08:44,082 --> 01:08:46,167
To prepare for it, we did--

931
01:08:46,251 --> 01:08:48,629
filmed the Velvet Underground and Nico
in the Factory,

932
01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:52,883
which we then, as they performed live

933
01:08:52,966 --> 01:08:56,553
on the stage at the cinematheque,
projected on them.

934
01:08:56,636 --> 01:08:59,430
Went to sell her soul, she wasn't high

935
01:09:00,224 --> 01:09:02,350
Didn't know, thinks she could buy it

936
01:09:02,434 --> 01:09:06,939
Somehow the Dom Polski
on Saint Mark's Place

937
01:09:07,022 --> 01:09:11,318
in the East Village
became available as a space,

938
01:09:11,401 --> 01:09:13,529
and we took it over for a month,

939
01:09:13,612 --> 01:09:19,243
and expanded "Andy Warhol's Up-Tight"
into the "Exploding Plastic Inevitable."

940
01:09:22,412 --> 01:09:25,290
This used to be the Polish national home.

941
01:09:25,374 --> 01:09:29,252
Now it's the Dom,
the center of East Village nightlife.

942
01:09:29,336 --> 01:09:32,339
Music by Nico and the Velvet Underground.

943
01:09:32,421 --> 01:09:34,550
"The Exploding Plastic Inevitable,"

944
01:09:34,633 --> 01:09:39,971
designed by pop-art industry, Andy Warhol,
and starring his girl of the year.

945
01:09:40,055 --> 01:09:43,392
Her vocal style is unusual.

946
01:09:48,397 --> 01:09:53,819
Andy has a group of rock
and rollers called the Velvet Underground.

947
01:09:56,613 --> 01:10:01,410
His idea for a discotheque
is to take a dance hall,

948
01:10:01,493 --> 01:10:03,954
have his musicians play,

949
01:10:04,037 --> 01:10:06,582
show several movies all at the same time,

950
01:10:06,665 --> 01:10:11,211
have colored lights going
while people dance or watch.

951
01:10:11,295 --> 01:10:12,671
Wild.

952
01:10:20,345 --> 01:10:23,807
I became Nico's guitar player
for those shows she did at the Dom.

953
01:10:23,891 --> 01:10:25,517
And I also did an opening set.

954
01:10:25,601 --> 01:10:29,396
I was not-- I didn't have a record,
I was not an attraction of any kind.

955
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:30,564
I just did a set.

956
01:10:33,650 --> 01:10:36,653
But, I mean, no one really got there
until Andy would get there.

957
01:10:38,113 --> 01:10:39,364
He was the attraction.

958
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:58,425
For the balcony,
Andy used to place the projectors

959
01:10:58,509 --> 01:11:02,596
and various gels and colors and strobes.

960
01:11:06,391 --> 01:11:08,519
Since no one really knew
how to use lights,

961
01:11:08,602 --> 01:11:10,187
we let the audience use them.

962
01:11:10,270 --> 01:11:11,730
That's another reason
we didn't make money,

963
01:11:11,813 --> 01:11:14,399
they were always breaking these things,
or they would fall off the balcony,

964
01:11:14,483 --> 01:11:17,861
and Andy's technique was something like…

965
01:11:17,945 --> 01:11:21,907
"Oh, who knows how to work the lights?
Oh, do you know how to work the lights?"

966
01:11:28,539 --> 01:11:30,999
People would watch his movies,

967
01:11:31,083 --> 01:11:33,544
but they couldn't watch 'em
'cause there's no story.

968
01:11:33,627 --> 01:11:37,339
So it's that weird place where,
"Is it reality or story?"

969
01:11:37,422 --> 01:11:40,342
And we don't know. So they were hypnotic.

970
01:12:14,376 --> 01:12:17,588
Upstairs it was a scene that developed.

971
01:12:17,671 --> 01:12:20,674
People like Walter Cronkite
and Jackie Kennedy,

972
01:12:20,757 --> 01:12:24,761
and a lot of the socialites showed up
down there because of Andy

973
01:12:24,845 --> 01:12:30,142
and because of his connections
with the Central Park West art collectors.

974
01:12:30,225 --> 01:12:32,561
Incredible people came and danced.

975
01:12:32,644 --> 01:12:34,771
Nureyev came and danced.

976
01:12:34,855 --> 01:12:38,025
The whole New York City Ballet
used to come and dance.

977
01:12:56,293 --> 01:12:59,505
I don't think they ever formed

978
01:12:59,588 --> 01:13:03,300
so that they would be
a spectacular stage event.

979
01:13:03,383 --> 01:13:09,097
They formed because there was
this amazing musical thing

980
01:13:09,181 --> 01:13:12,643
that happened with Lou's songs.

981
01:13:14,102 --> 01:13:16,855
Barbara Rubin, who discovered
them for the right reasons,

982
01:13:16,939 --> 01:13:21,360
is the one who started flashing
those fucking polka dots on them

983
01:13:21,443 --> 01:13:26,073
when they were playing,
as if they weren't enough to look at.

984
01:13:26,156 --> 01:13:29,618
I'd say, "Lou, you--
why are they doing this to you?"

985
01:13:29,701 --> 01:13:32,454
And of course, he would shrug and say,

986
01:13:32,538 --> 01:13:36,625
"It's what Andy will want,
and, you know, it's family."

987
01:13:37,417 --> 01:13:41,505
After we'd done about three weeks,
we went out on the tour.

988
01:13:54,351 --> 01:13:57,354
There were so many times
we'd play at some kind of art show,

989
01:13:57,437 --> 01:14:02,025
and they'd invited Andy and, I guess,
we're the exhibit, you know?

990
01:14:03,735 --> 01:14:06,989
They'd leave in droves,
these would be rich society people

991
01:14:07,072 --> 01:14:10,242
and artists and stuff, and this was--

992
01:14:10,325 --> 01:14:12,911
they didn't wanna hear a band,
let alone what we were doing.

993
01:14:16,081 --> 01:14:18,292
I had seen the Exploding
Plastic Inevitable show

994
01:14:18,375 --> 01:14:21,170
with the Velvet Underground
in New York at the Dom already.

995
01:14:21,253 --> 01:14:23,338
But when I was here and heard
they were coming here

996
01:14:23,422 --> 01:14:25,591
and in Provincetown where I lived--

997
01:14:25,674 --> 01:14:28,927
It was at the Chrysler Museum.
It was booked as art.

998
01:14:29,011 --> 01:14:31,930
It wasn't even packed, you know.
The town didn't get it.

999
01:14:33,515 --> 01:14:36,435
I thought it was so bizarre, in a way,
to try to imagine them

1000
01:14:36,518 --> 01:14:38,812
coming at the height
of the hippie times and everything,

1001
01:14:38,896 --> 01:14:40,814
when they were so anti-hippie.

1002
01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:53,327
I know we made lots of fans
amongst those people,

1003
01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:56,622
but we used to joke around and say,
"Well, how many people left?

1004
01:14:56,705 --> 01:14:58,999
Oh, about half.
Oh, we must have been good tonight."

1005
01:15:10,177 --> 01:15:12,721
It was not only noise,

1006
01:15:12,804 --> 01:15:17,351
but the kind of music
you can hear when--

1007
01:15:17,434 --> 01:15:20,395
when it's a storm outside.

1008
01:15:37,871 --> 01:15:41,291
Paul then booked us into the West Coast.

1009
01:15:46,046 --> 01:15:47,673
Monday, Monday

1010
01:15:49,967 --> 01:15:52,302
So good to me

1011
01:15:52,386 --> 01:15:54,221
Musically, the West Coast

1012
01:15:54,304 --> 01:15:58,016
was an organized force that tried
to predominate in the pop scene.

1013
01:15:58,100 --> 01:16:00,394
It was all I hoped it would be

1014
01:16:00,477 --> 01:16:03,313
I remember we were in our rent-a-car
coming back from the airport,

1015
01:16:03,397 --> 01:16:06,233
I turned on the radio and the first
song that came out was "Monday, Monday."

1016
01:16:06,316 --> 01:16:08,235
I said, "Well, I don't-- I don't know.

1017
01:16:08,318 --> 01:16:10,112
Maybe we're not ready
for this sort of thing yet."

1018
01:16:14,283 --> 01:16:16,243
We came to Los Angeles,

1019
01:16:16,326 --> 01:16:18,829
and the first time we noticed
that we were different

1020
01:16:18,912 --> 01:16:22,875
was when we went to, you know,
the place, Tropicana Motel.

1021
01:16:24,001 --> 01:16:27,671
So we're all in black,
we're all completely covered up,

1022
01:16:27,754 --> 01:16:29,882
and we're all sitting around the pool.

1023
01:16:29,965 --> 01:16:32,467
I mean, it looked really stupid.

1024
01:16:32,968 --> 01:16:36,054
Except for Gerard.
Gerard was in back, fucking someone.

1025
01:16:45,981 --> 01:16:49,067
Sunday morning

1026
01:16:50,319 --> 01:16:53,739
Brings the dawning

1027
01:16:55,115 --> 01:17:01,496
It's just a restless feeling
By my side

1028
01:17:01,580 --> 01:17:04,082
We'd never been to the West Coast,

1029
01:17:04,166 --> 01:17:08,128
and it was odd the way it struck us
that everybody was very healthy.

1030
01:17:08,837 --> 01:17:12,966
And their idea of a light show
was to have a slide of Buddha on the wall.

1031
01:17:14,551 --> 01:17:17,930
When we came to California,
it was at the Trip and they had a stage.

1032
01:17:18,013 --> 01:17:20,724
What do you put on a stage? Gerard and me.

1033
01:17:20,807 --> 01:17:25,229
We would do this performance
for more people to look at the Velvets.

1034
01:17:26,355 --> 01:17:29,733
There's always someone around you

1035
01:17:29,816 --> 01:17:32,319
Who will call

1036
01:17:33,362 --> 01:17:36,782
It's nothing at all

1037
01:17:38,408 --> 01:17:41,453
And they snuck Frank Zappa on the bill,

1038
01:17:41,537 --> 01:17:44,831
and the Mothers of Invention.
And we despised them.

1039
01:17:44,915 --> 01:17:48,377
And we felt they were everything
the West Coast was.

1040
01:17:49,419 --> 01:17:52,256
They were hippies. We hated hippies.

1041
01:17:52,339 --> 01:17:55,425
I mean, flower power,
you know, burning bras.

1042
01:17:55,509 --> 01:17:57,594
I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you?

1043
01:17:57,678 --> 01:18:00,806
This "love, peace" crap, we hated that.
Get real.

1044
01:18:01,431 --> 01:18:04,476
And free love and,

1045
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,397
"Everybody's wonderful and I love
everybody. Aren't I wonderful?"

1046
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:13,110
Everybody wants to have a peaceful world
and not get shot in the head or something,

1047
01:18:13,193 --> 01:18:16,363
but you cannot change minds
by handing a flower

1048
01:18:16,446 --> 01:18:18,323
to some bozo who wants to shoot ya.

1049
01:18:19,157 --> 01:18:20,534
They should have been…

1050
01:18:21,827 --> 01:18:24,830
helping homeless people or-- Do something.

1051
01:18:24,913 --> 01:18:29,251
Do something about it. Don't walk around
with your flowers in your hair.

1052
01:18:31,420 --> 01:18:35,883
That was kind of an avoidance
of how important danger was

1053
01:18:35,966 --> 01:18:37,926
and how, you know,
if you're off in that world

1054
01:18:38,010 --> 01:18:40,929
you don't recognize danger
for the value it has.

1055
01:18:42,556 --> 01:18:44,391
The human race was fucked up…

1056
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:49,438
and they were getting fucked by society.

1057
01:18:49,521 --> 01:18:52,524
So you don't get depressed
and fall over because of it.

1058
01:18:52,608 --> 01:18:55,277
You become strong

1059
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,614
and you become anti a lot of things
that other people aren't anti.

1060
01:18:58,697 --> 01:18:59,990
So you're not--

1061
01:19:00,073 --> 01:19:03,035
And that's sort of an--
the place where the artist comes in

1062
01:19:03,118 --> 01:19:05,871
because he's not with society.

1063
01:19:06,788 --> 01:19:07,915
He's different.

1064
01:19:13,170 --> 01:19:17,424
It's almost impossible to describe
the feeling of being in a rock dance,

1065
01:19:17,508 --> 01:19:21,011
and maybe that's why so many
young people flock here every weekend

1066
01:19:21,094 --> 01:19:24,389
to see what Bill Graham
and Fillmore West is all about.

1067
01:19:24,473 --> 01:19:26,517
People are generally very nice here.
There's a joie.

1068
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,479
There's a certain esprit
which doesn't exist in the other cities,

1069
01:19:30,562 --> 01:19:32,523
which-- New York, Chicago, Detroit,

1070
01:19:32,606 --> 01:19:35,901
where everything is pretty nails-y,
you know, tar.

1071
01:19:35,984 --> 01:19:37,653
Boy, he hated us.

1072
01:19:37,736 --> 01:19:39,947
When we were going onstage,

1073
01:19:40,822 --> 01:19:43,867
he was standing there, and he said,
"I hope you fuckers bomb."

1074
01:19:45,244 --> 01:19:47,996
And well, why did you ask for--
Why did you book us?

1075
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,875
I think he was really jealous
and pissed off

1076
01:19:51,959 --> 01:19:55,295
'cause he has claimed to have
the first multimedia,

1077
01:19:55,379 --> 01:20:00,551
and it was pitiful compared to what
Andy had put together. It really was.

1078
01:20:00,634 --> 01:20:03,554
And we get reviewed.

1079
01:20:03,637 --> 01:20:07,766
"They should be buried,
the Velvet Underground,

1080
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:09,351
buried underground deep."

1081
01:20:09,434 --> 01:20:12,437
That's what what's-her-name said, Cher.

1082
01:20:12,521 --> 01:20:15,649
And we go back to New York, and we go--
ready to go back to the Dom.

1083
01:20:15,732 --> 01:20:18,694
And, nope, we can't go back
to the Dom. "Why?"

1084
01:20:18,777 --> 01:20:23,073
Well, he sold the lease to Al Grossman,

1085
01:20:23,156 --> 01:20:28,078
who's Dylan's manager, and Dylan
had renamed it the Balloon Farm.

1086
01:20:28,787 --> 01:20:31,582
And we were out.

1087
01:20:33,876 --> 01:20:35,419
Here she comes now

1088
01:20:37,129 --> 01:20:38,881
She's gone, gone, gone

1089
01:20:40,340 --> 01:20:42,259
Ready, ready, ready, ready, ready

1090
01:20:42,342 --> 01:20:44,845
And the second album came around,
and that was when you saw

1091
01:20:44,928 --> 01:20:47,139
the effects of what being on the road did.

1092
01:20:47,222 --> 01:20:50,184
And all the aggro.
And it really told you--

1093
01:20:50,267 --> 01:20:53,228
The aggro reflected everything
that was going on in the band.

1094
01:20:54,104 --> 01:20:56,356
It was getting really
more and more difficult for us

1095
01:20:56,440 --> 01:20:58,775
to operate together.

1096
01:20:59,318 --> 01:21:02,279
-I know that she's long dead and gone
-Heard her call my name

1097
01:21:02,362 --> 01:21:05,532
-Still, it ain't the same
-Heard her call my name

1098
01:21:05,616 --> 01:21:08,911
Oh, when I wake up in this morning
Mama

1099
01:21:08,994 --> 01:21:12,080
-I heard her call my name
-Heard her call my name

1100
01:21:14,416 --> 01:21:18,045
Probably the speediest album
that there was. Really cranked up.

1101
01:21:18,128 --> 01:21:20,005
The engineer left.

1102
01:21:20,088 --> 01:21:23,050
One of the engineers said,
"I don't have to listen to this.

1103
01:21:23,133 --> 01:21:26,762
I'll put it in record and I'm leaving.
When you're done, come and get me."

1104
01:21:37,356 --> 01:21:41,026
-White light
-White light goin', messin' up my mind

1105
01:21:41,109 --> 01:21:42,945
-White light
-And don't you know

1106
01:21:43,028 --> 01:21:45,697
-It's gonna make me go blind
-White heat

1107
01:21:45,781 --> 01:21:48,742
Aw, white heat
It tickle me down to my toes

1108
01:21:48,825 --> 01:21:50,619
-White light
-Oh, have mercy

1109
01:21:50,702 --> 01:21:52,538
While I have it, goodness knows

1110
01:21:52,621 --> 01:21:55,123
All the songs
that were on the second album,

1111
01:21:55,207 --> 01:21:58,126
it was all off the cuff and aggressive.

1112
01:21:58,919 --> 01:22:01,880
I mean, that's
that's straight amphetamine.

1113
01:22:01,964 --> 01:22:04,675
Aw, white heat
It tickle me down to my toes

1114
01:22:05,259 --> 01:22:06,593
Nobody was really talking to each other.

1115
01:22:07,511 --> 01:22:11,348
You know, everybody kept
pushing their faders up.

1116
01:22:11,431 --> 01:22:14,017
And so it got louder
and louder and louder.

1117
01:22:14,101 --> 01:22:18,313
"Well, who's the loudest now?"
You know, it was just child games.

1118
01:22:22,025 --> 01:22:24,611
If we don't improvise,
we're gonna drive each other crazy.

1119
01:22:24,695 --> 01:22:27,531
Well, as it turned out,
we drive each other crazy anyway.

1120
01:22:27,614 --> 01:22:30,826
But improvisation helped on the road

1121
01:22:30,909 --> 01:22:34,621
when you just got off
playing the song over and over and over.

1122
01:22:35,664 --> 01:22:37,791
Cooperation was breaking down.

1123
01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:41,420
White light moved in me
Through my brain

1124
01:22:41,503 --> 01:22:43,630
-White light
-White light goin'

1125
01:22:43,714 --> 01:22:46,175
-Makin' you go insane
-White heat

1126
01:22:46,258 --> 01:22:49,761
Aw, white heat
It tickles me down to my toes

1127
01:22:49,845 --> 01:22:52,723
White light, I said now
Goodness knows

1128
01:22:52,806 --> 01:22:57,019
We never intended that now
it's the Velvet Underground and Nico.

1129
01:22:57,102 --> 01:23:00,480
That-- It was just a-- That was
in our minds a temporary thing.

1130
01:23:15,996 --> 01:23:18,999
Here's Room 546

1131
01:23:20,125 --> 01:23:23,337
It's enough to make you sick

1132
01:23:24,671 --> 01:23:27,966
Brigid's all wrapped up in foil

1133
01:23:28,050 --> 01:23:30,928
You wonder if

1134
01:23:32,304 --> 01:23:35,682
Nico did everything
that we asked her to do in the band,

1135
01:23:36,308 --> 01:23:39,144
and-- But I think
that in her heart of hearts

1136
01:23:39,228 --> 01:23:41,605
there was something else
that was really pulling her.

1137
01:23:44,483 --> 01:23:47,736
She would always be sitting down
writing lyrics, writing poetry.

1138
01:23:49,112 --> 01:23:54,201
There was always something
drawing her away from collective work.

1139
01:23:57,829 --> 01:23:59,289
She was a wanderer.

1140
01:23:59,373 --> 01:24:04,670
She wandered into the situation,
and then she just quietly wandered off.

1141
01:24:07,256 --> 01:24:10,801
Magic marker row

1142
01:24:10,884 --> 01:24:13,887
You wonder just

1143
01:24:15,514 --> 01:24:19,059
How high they go

1144
01:24:20,686 --> 01:24:22,771
Here they come now

1145
01:24:22,855 --> 01:24:25,732
And then it-- After all of that,

1146
01:24:25,816 --> 01:24:28,819
Lou suddenly went crazy.

1147
01:24:31,196 --> 01:24:34,241
And then fired Andy and…

1148
01:24:35,075 --> 01:24:36,535
and Andy called him a rat.

1149
01:24:51,967 --> 01:24:54,887
The whole thing was done
behind closed doors.

1150
01:24:54,970 --> 01:24:56,930
I mean, I had no idea
that Lou had fired Andy.

1151
01:24:58,765 --> 01:25:01,560
People thought Andy Warhol
was the lead guitarist,

1152
01:25:01,643 --> 01:25:07,441
and that made life a little difficult when
we left the-- our great shepherd.

1153
01:25:41,892 --> 01:25:43,310
So this is called "Sister Ray."

1154
01:25:45,938 --> 01:25:47,523
It's about some queens.

1155
01:25:49,399 --> 01:25:51,527
And one's called Duck
and the other's called Sally.

1156
01:26:01,161 --> 01:26:04,206
Duck and Sally inside

1157
01:26:05,457 --> 01:26:08,126
Searching for the down pipe

1158
01:26:09,294 --> 01:26:12,130
Who're staring at Miss Rayon

1159
01:26:13,674 --> 01:26:16,051
Who's licking up her pig pen

1160
01:26:17,886 --> 01:26:20,430
I'm searching for my mainline

1161
01:26:22,224 --> 01:26:24,601
I couldn't hit it sideways

1162
01:26:24,685 --> 01:26:28,397
Harvard professors,
fashion models from New York,

1163
01:26:29,064 --> 01:26:31,233
honest-to-God juvenile delinquents,

1164
01:26:31,316 --> 01:26:32,818
you know, bike gangs…

1165
01:26:34,903 --> 01:26:36,822
nerds like myself.

1166
01:26:39,533 --> 01:26:42,578
Grateful Dead fans. A lot of people
were fans of both bands.

1167
01:26:50,669 --> 01:26:53,589
We started realizing
that we were getting a following.

1168
01:26:53,672 --> 01:26:56,842
And of course that was nice,

1169
01:26:56,925 --> 01:27:00,470
especially in Boston,
because we played there so often.

1170
01:27:01,722 --> 01:27:04,516
I saw them
a total of about 60 or 70 times.

1171
01:27:05,601 --> 01:27:09,313
The reason I felt emotionally free
hearing it is I was hearing this music

1172
01:27:09,396 --> 01:27:11,607
that I realized sounded like nothing else.

1173
01:27:11,690 --> 01:27:14,318
They'd get into a certain sound
and then never again.

1174
01:27:14,401 --> 01:27:15,819
That was what was exciting.

1175
01:27:15,903 --> 01:27:17,905
Oh, do it, yeah, just like

1176
01:27:18,530 --> 01:27:20,532
Yeah, just like Sister Ray said

1177
01:27:21,366 --> 01:27:24,912
So not only was it new,
but it was radically different.

1178
01:27:25,704 --> 01:27:30,751
It was this slow, mid-tempo or slow tempo
stuff that wasn't rock and roll.

1179
01:27:30,834 --> 01:27:33,754
It was this strange, strange melodies.

1180
01:27:35,797 --> 01:27:37,299
You could watch them play

1181
01:27:38,258 --> 01:27:40,469
and there would be overtones
that you couldn't account for.

1182
01:27:40,552 --> 01:27:41,970
You could see with, you know--

1183
01:27:43,931 --> 01:27:46,141
Then you'd hear a lead--
a fuzz lead over that.

1184
01:27:47,267 --> 01:27:49,019
Something-- And you'd hear the bassline.

1185
01:27:51,772 --> 01:27:54,233
But there'd be
these other sounds in the room,

1186
01:27:54,316 --> 01:27:56,527
and you could look at everyone
and you were just--

1187
01:27:56,610 --> 01:27:58,570
Where is it coming from?

1188
01:27:58,654 --> 01:28:01,031
It was this group sound.

1189
01:28:13,418 --> 01:28:16,922
Typical would be a long version
of "Sister Ray"

1190
01:28:17,005 --> 01:28:19,216
and the five seconds afterwards.

1191
01:28:20,509 --> 01:28:24,221
The five seconds afterwards tells you
a lot about what it was like to see them.

1192
01:28:24,304 --> 01:28:26,098
So all of a sudden, you know,
they'd be going--

1193
01:28:28,308 --> 01:28:30,519
Then all the different keyboard parts.

1194
01:28:33,689 --> 01:28:36,441
Then there was that--
all these different things. The drums.

1195
01:28:36,525 --> 01:28:37,609
And all of a sudden--

1196
01:28:39,152 --> 01:28:41,655
And it would stop like that,
and the audience

1197
01:28:41,738 --> 01:28:45,409
would be dead silent for one…

1198
01:28:49,538 --> 01:28:53,125
Five, and then they'd applaud.

1199
01:28:54,376 --> 01:28:58,297
They, the Velvet Underground,
had hypnotized them one more time.

1200
01:29:01,175 --> 01:29:03,802
Here I am at the Boston Tea Party,

1201
01:29:03,886 --> 01:29:05,637
and the Velvet Underground
has got their amps.

1202
01:29:05,721 --> 01:29:08,891
They are already starting to set up.
I just watched them tune up.

1203
01:29:09,474 --> 01:29:10,809
I would ask questions.

1204
01:29:10,893 --> 01:29:14,438
I'd say, "How come you use just
the fuzz tone on that passage? Why?"

1205
01:29:14,521 --> 01:29:15,814
And like, "And that sound?"

1206
01:29:15,898 --> 01:29:19,568
And he'd say, "That sound,
young man, is many things."

1207
01:29:21,236 --> 01:29:25,240
And Sterling Morrison was the one
who taught me how to play guitar.

1208
01:29:25,324 --> 01:29:28,869
The freedom of it made me feel
less tied to high school,

1209
01:29:28,952 --> 01:29:32,122
less tied to any conventions
that other music had

1210
01:29:32,206 --> 01:29:34,750
and helped me figure out
how to make my own music.

1211
01:29:35,375 --> 01:29:38,462
This is what they were like.
They were generous.

1212
01:29:38,545 --> 01:29:42,925
They were certainly generous with me.
They let me open a show for them once.

1213
01:29:43,008 --> 01:29:46,470
And so when there was tensions
between people in the band,

1214
01:29:47,221 --> 01:29:49,181
I was allowed to hang around.

1215
01:29:49,264 --> 01:29:51,183
They knew I wasn't gonna say anything.

1216
01:29:52,017 --> 01:29:55,103
But, yeah, you could feel some tension.

1217
01:29:55,187 --> 01:29:58,607
But I was very shocked
when it was so extreme

1218
01:29:58,690 --> 01:30:02,027
that John Cale wasn't in the band anymore.

1219
01:30:08,367 --> 01:30:11,203
There were often sparks,
you know, the three guys.

1220
01:30:11,286 --> 01:30:16,333
In fact, you know, I could hardly go
to a rehearsal, it was just so stressful.

1221
01:30:16,416 --> 01:30:19,628
They might have been arguing
about the music itself.

1222
01:30:19,711 --> 01:30:22,798
Or Lou could just be being peevish,

1223
01:30:22,881 --> 01:30:26,885
or maybe too much in charge,
telling other people what to do.

1224
01:30:28,053 --> 01:30:29,596
That was just always there.

1225
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,724
Lou going for it, being on top.

1226
01:30:39,898 --> 01:30:41,900
I really didn't know how to please him.

1227
01:30:42,651 --> 01:30:46,321
I mean, there was nothing
that I could do that--

1228
01:30:46,947 --> 01:30:50,534
You'd try and be nice,
he'd hate you more. He was…

1229
01:30:53,203 --> 01:30:56,748
And trying to suggest something,
he'd just dismiss it.

1230
01:30:57,833 --> 01:30:59,459
He's a tortured person.

1231
01:31:00,919 --> 01:31:04,173
Although I have to say, John Cale,
he could really go off.

1232
01:31:04,256 --> 01:31:07,634
He just makes it so unpleasant
to be near him

1233
01:31:08,635 --> 01:31:10,137
if he doesn't feel good.

1234
01:31:10,220 --> 01:31:11,346
And he was dark.

1235
01:31:14,057 --> 01:31:17,561
The thing that we understood
where we were, where everything else was,

1236
01:31:17,644 --> 01:31:20,147
and how much disdain we had
for everything else.

1237
01:31:20,856 --> 01:31:24,067
You know, in the end, unfortunately,

1238
01:31:24,151 --> 01:31:27,154
it became each of us.

1239
01:31:27,905 --> 01:31:31,158
I think there came a point
when you just said, "Hell with it.

1240
01:31:31,241 --> 01:31:34,995
We're not solving our problems here
by acting like this.

1241
01:31:35,078 --> 01:31:39,041
And nobody's out there
to help us to straighten it out."

1242
01:31:39,124 --> 01:31:42,836
And we'd never let anybody tell us
what to do.

1243
01:31:44,379 --> 01:31:48,926
If all those drugs hadn't been around, we
would have all been pushing for something.

1244
01:31:49,801 --> 01:31:52,679
That it was the time
to really back off for a minute…

1245
01:31:54,056 --> 01:31:55,557
because the trust was gone.

1246
01:31:57,100 --> 01:31:59,061
Maybe Lou got jealous.

1247
01:31:59,144 --> 01:32:01,188
I would attribute it
to something like that.

1248
01:32:03,065 --> 01:32:07,986
Lou made an ultimatum
that either he or John would have to go.

1249
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:11,698
He called Sterling and I, and we met him
at a coffee shop or something,

1250
01:32:11,782 --> 01:32:13,283
and he told us this.

1251
01:32:13,367 --> 01:32:15,285
You know, he just couldn't work
with John anymore,

1252
01:32:15,369 --> 01:32:18,664
and we could either
stay with him or go with John.

1253
01:32:20,249 --> 01:32:24,795
I got a visit from Sterling,
and he said, "I've just come from Lou."

1254
01:32:24,878 --> 01:32:26,922
And I said, "Yeah,
we gotta start rehearsing.

1255
01:32:27,005 --> 01:32:28,632
We're going to Cleveland on--
on the weekend."

1256
01:32:28,715 --> 01:32:32,094
He said, "Well, no."
He said, "We are, yes. You're not."

1257
01:32:32,970 --> 01:32:34,221
And I said, "What are you talking about?"

1258
01:32:34,304 --> 01:32:38,058
He said, "Well, Lou's sent me over here
to tell you that

1259
01:32:38,141 --> 01:32:41,228
he told the rest of us that if John goes,
I don't go."

1260
01:32:41,979 --> 01:32:43,021
And that was it.

1261
01:32:43,647 --> 01:32:45,649
And there was that moment again,

1262
01:32:45,732 --> 01:32:49,528
that flash of wondering
what the hell's gonna happen next.

1263
01:32:52,322 --> 01:32:55,450
I thought,
"Well, I better get on to production."

1264
01:33:00,247 --> 01:33:03,834
It was really devastating to me,
because by this point,

1265
01:33:03,917 --> 01:33:06,670
this band helped me understand life.

1266
01:33:06,753 --> 01:33:10,883
Like, the sounds they were making
helped me build a dreamscape.

1267
01:33:10,966 --> 01:33:13,177
Their tone colors-- this was--

1268
01:33:14,386 --> 01:33:17,556
I mean, to me this was being-- like
being in the presence of Michelangelo.

1269
01:33:22,102 --> 01:33:26,982
Lou really, really wanted
to get some success going.

1270
01:33:27,065 --> 01:33:28,650
You know, real success.

1271
01:33:29,401 --> 01:33:35,073
Maybe he wanted to make it less
avant-garde, or whatever the word is.

1272
01:33:37,492 --> 01:33:38,994
You know, more normal.

1273
01:33:41,038 --> 01:33:42,623
Here we go. Rolling on one.

1274
01:34:06,188 --> 01:34:08,357
She's over by the corner

1275
01:34:08,440 --> 01:34:11,109
Doug Yule came in from what I remember,

1276
01:34:11,193 --> 01:34:13,487
gallantly learning many songs
very quickly.

1277
01:34:14,112 --> 01:34:18,909
And he in himself
was a very exacting and serious musician.

1278
01:34:19,535 --> 01:34:23,121
And with his own harmonic sense,
which brought something different.

1279
01:34:25,332 --> 01:34:27,125
I think the difference was profound.

1280
01:34:27,876 --> 01:34:29,545
I think we were still a good band,

1281
01:34:29,628 --> 01:34:33,507
and Doug had his own things
to bring to the band,

1282
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:35,884
but no one could replace Cale.

1283
01:34:35,968 --> 01:34:38,554
Don't you know something?
She sent 'em right back

1284
01:34:38,637 --> 01:34:40,097
All right

1285
01:34:42,891 --> 01:34:44,685
Good evening.

1286
01:34:44,768 --> 01:34:46,979
We're your local Velvet Underground,

1287
01:34:47,062 --> 01:34:49,690
and I'm glad to see you.

1288
01:34:52,442 --> 01:34:53,777
Thank you.

1289
01:34:53,861 --> 01:34:57,698
And we're particularly glad
that people could find a little time

1290
01:34:57,781 --> 01:35:00,450
to come out and just have some fun
to some rock and roll.

1291
01:35:04,079 --> 01:35:05,497
They were playing really quiet.

1292
01:35:05,581 --> 01:35:07,416
They'd started playing much quieter
at this point.

1293
01:35:14,590 --> 01:35:17,342
Sometimes I feel so happy

1294
01:35:20,345 --> 01:35:22,931
Sometimes I feel so sad

1295
01:35:26,059 --> 01:35:28,645
Sometimes I feel so happy

1296
01:35:30,105 --> 01:35:33,984
But mostly you just make me mad

1297
01:35:36,361 --> 01:35:39,781
Baby, you just make me mad

1298
01:35:43,827 --> 01:35:48,832
Linger on

1299
01:35:48,916 --> 01:35:52,002
Your pale blue eyes

1300
01:35:55,464 --> 01:36:00,469
Linger on

1301
01:36:00,552 --> 01:36:03,805
Your pale blue eyes

1302
01:36:03,889 --> 01:36:07,184
There was a certain theory
behind it, and that was of space.

1303
01:36:07,267 --> 01:36:08,977
Like, all the songs were very spacey.

1304
01:36:09,061 --> 01:36:12,356
Like, you know, we didn't put things in,
we took things out,

1305
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,108
which is kind of the reverse
of the way everybody else works.

1306
01:36:15,192 --> 01:36:19,363
Like, you know, we never add instruments,
we don't bring people in for sessions.

1307
01:36:19,446 --> 01:36:24,284
We don't-- We don't basically do anything
that we can't reproduce onstage.

1308
01:36:35,504 --> 01:36:40,801
The third album, the gray album,
we were playing in LA,

1309
01:36:40,884 --> 01:36:44,429
and Steve said, you know,
"There's a change of plans.

1310
01:36:44,513 --> 01:36:47,057
We're gonna stay over an extra week
and do an album."

1311
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:51,395
Candy says

1312
01:36:53,605 --> 01:36:57,693
"I've come to hate my body

1313
01:36:59,570 --> 01:37:03,448
And all that it requires…

1314
01:37:03,532 --> 01:37:05,826
"Candy Says" has its own kind of tension.

1315
01:37:05,909 --> 01:37:09,079
You know, it's about somebody saying,
"I've come to hate my body

1316
01:37:09,162 --> 01:37:11,039
and all it requires in this world."

1317
01:37:11,123 --> 01:37:13,542
And with all that little pretty music
going on, you know,

1318
01:37:13,625 --> 01:37:15,878
and you start figuring, you know,
"What is that all about?"

1319
01:37:15,961 --> 01:37:19,006
And then the whole rest of
the third album is just about that.

1320
01:37:19,715 --> 01:37:22,384
Over my shoulder

1321
01:37:22,467 --> 01:37:24,803
What do you think I'd see

1322
01:37:24,887 --> 01:37:28,432
I didn't know I was going to sing
that song until we were doing the vocals,

1323
01:37:28,515 --> 01:37:31,143
and he sang one, and he came back in
and said, "Why don't you sing one?

1324
01:37:31,226 --> 01:37:35,063
You know, it's fun to not always sing.
It's fun to kick back and, you know,

1325
01:37:35,147 --> 01:37:37,524
play the guitar and just not have
to be the lead voice."

1326
01:37:38,108 --> 01:37:41,236
This is a song that
I originally had figured on

1327
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,240
featuring myself doing it with a,
you know, spotlight and a gold lamé dress.

1328
01:37:45,324 --> 01:37:47,743
But then I figured,
"Well, you know, I don't--

1329
01:37:47,826 --> 01:37:49,244
I don't know if they're ready
to accept that."

1330
01:37:49,870 --> 01:37:51,872
So, we got old Maureen out

1331
01:37:51,955 --> 01:37:54,625
and we figured they'll believe her
where they wouldn't believe me.

1332
01:37:54,708 --> 01:37:56,668
This'll be our last song for this set.

1333
01:37:56,752 --> 01:37:58,462
It's called "After Hours."

1334
01:37:58,545 --> 01:38:01,757
If you close the door

1335
01:38:03,008 --> 01:38:06,637
The night could last forever

1336
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:10,098
Leave the sunshine out

1337
01:38:11,183 --> 01:38:13,727
And say hello to never

1338
01:38:13,810 --> 01:38:15,812
I was scared to death.

1339
01:38:15,896 --> 01:38:21,610
I'd never sang anything, and I was
really like, "I can't do this, and--"

1340
01:38:21,693 --> 01:38:24,363
In fact,
we had to send Sterling out of the room

1341
01:38:24,446 --> 01:38:26,490
because he was laughing at me.

1342
01:38:28,283 --> 01:38:30,577
I'd never have to see the day again

1343
01:38:30,661 --> 01:38:35,290
I told Lou, "I don't wanna sing it live
unless someone requests it,"

1344
01:38:35,374 --> 01:38:38,126
'cause I was hoping
no one would ever request it.

1345
01:38:38,919 --> 01:38:42,381
And, like, two shows later,
we were in Texas

1346
01:38:42,464 --> 01:38:44,758
and someone requested it,
and I got through it, so…

1347
01:38:44,842 --> 01:38:47,010
And drink a toast to never

1348
01:38:47,094 --> 01:38:50,639
When they did play the Boston Tea Party,
and Maureen would come out and sing,

1349
01:38:50,722 --> 01:38:54,017
people who weren't even fans
of the band much that night,

1350
01:38:54,101 --> 01:38:56,854
juvenile delinquents who just said,
"Who are these guys?

1351
01:38:56,937 --> 01:39:00,023
There's no Jimmy Page guitar solo here,
what is this crap?"

1352
01:39:00,107 --> 01:39:03,569
All of a sudden, when, you know,
Maureen Tucker would come out,

1353
01:39:03,652 --> 01:39:08,198
you know, and would just come out,
just go, "If you close the door,"

1354
01:39:08,282 --> 01:39:11,493
and everybody-- she'd get everybody.

1355
01:39:12,494 --> 01:39:13,537
Thank you.

1356
01:39:28,093 --> 01:39:30,762
Jenny said
When she was just five years old

1357
01:39:30,846 --> 01:39:33,682
There was nothing happening at all

1358
01:39:37,227 --> 01:39:39,897
Every time she puts on the radio

1359
01:39:39,980 --> 01:39:43,275
There was nothing going down at all

1360
01:39:43,358 --> 01:39:44,776
Not at all

1361
01:39:46,361 --> 01:39:49,114
Then one fine morning she puts on
A New York station

1362
01:39:49,198 --> 01:39:51,867
You know, she don't believe
What she heard at all

1363
01:39:55,204 --> 01:39:57,789
She started shaking
To that fine, fine music

1364
01:39:57,873 --> 01:40:01,460
You know her life was saved
By rock and roll

1365
01:40:03,337 --> 01:40:06,507
Despite all the amputation

1366
01:40:06,590 --> 01:40:10,385
You know you could just go out
And dance to the rock and roll station

1367
01:40:10,469 --> 01:40:13,555
-And it was all right
-It was all right

1368
01:40:13,639 --> 01:40:17,935
-Hey, baby, you know it was all right
-It was all right

1369
01:40:32,783 --> 01:40:35,994
Like Jenny said
When she was just about five years old

1370
01:40:36,078 --> 01:40:39,498
Hey, you know
There's nothing happening at all

1371
01:40:39,581 --> 01:40:43,627
Any one thing I could do over again
would be to refuse to do Loaded

1372
01:40:43,710 --> 01:40:45,546
until Maureen was, you know, able to play.

1373
01:40:46,797 --> 01:40:51,260
Loaded was recorded in April,
I believe, of '70.

1374
01:40:51,343 --> 01:40:54,304
And I was pregnant and too fat
to reach the drums,

1375
01:40:54,388 --> 01:40:55,722
so I couldn't play.

1376
01:40:56,849 --> 01:40:59,268
I was disappointed, 'cause there was
a number of songs on there

1377
01:40:59,351 --> 01:41:02,020
that I think really required me.

1378
01:41:02,104 --> 01:41:03,522
It was a big difference.

1379
01:41:07,234 --> 01:41:09,820
You know, Maureen wasn't in it,
Sterling was--

1380
01:41:09,903 --> 01:41:13,323
he stopped coming after a while.
I play a lot of guitar on Loaded.

1381
01:41:13,407 --> 01:41:15,117
You know, it must have been
very frustrating for him

1382
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,411
to just sit in the control room for hours,
you know,

1383
01:41:17,494 --> 01:41:21,081
while some little part was,
you know, thrashed out.

1384
01:41:21,790 --> 01:41:25,794
I knew that they were making records,
I knew that-- I never met Doug.

1385
01:41:26,503 --> 01:41:28,046
I don't--

1386
01:41:28,130 --> 01:41:31,842
But whatever it was,
it wasn't my business anymore.

1387
01:41:32,342 --> 01:41:34,094
And Lou made it clear
it wasn't my business.

1388
01:41:35,971 --> 01:41:39,016
They were unique in the very beginning.

1389
01:41:39,099 --> 01:41:43,312
Every member was an equal contributor
in their own right, you know.

1390
01:41:43,395 --> 01:41:45,564
But now they were like
a regular rock and roll band,

1391
01:41:45,647 --> 01:41:49,651
and they had a brilliant,
creative person totally in charge.

1392
01:41:49,735 --> 01:41:52,321
And Lou had tons of pop songs.

1393
01:41:53,447 --> 01:41:57,159
And Lou started to find his own voice.

1394
01:41:59,286 --> 01:42:03,290
Pop dissolved high culture.
That's what Lou brought in.

1395
01:42:03,373 --> 01:42:05,709
That came bubbling out of Long Island.

1396
01:42:05,792 --> 01:42:09,838
Melting the crystalline structure,
which was just what we had had in mind.

1397
01:42:13,175 --> 01:42:15,636
Standing on the corner

1398
01:42:17,846 --> 01:42:20,474
Suitcase in my hand

1399
01:42:21,266 --> 01:42:24,686
Jack is in his corset
Jane is in her vest

1400
01:42:26,271 --> 01:42:28,607
And me, I'm in a rock and roll band

1401
01:42:32,069 --> 01:42:34,446
Riding in a Stutz Bear Cat, Jim

1402
01:42:35,572 --> 01:42:38,867
You know, those were different times

1403
01:42:40,661 --> 01:42:43,497
Oh, all the poets
They studied rules of verse

1404
01:42:43,580 --> 01:42:46,959
And those ladies
They rolled their eyes

1405
01:42:50,170 --> 01:42:54,174
Sweet Jane

1406
01:42:54,967 --> 01:42:59,179
Sweet Jane

1407
01:42:59,263 --> 01:43:02,641
Sweet Jane

1408
01:43:02,724 --> 01:43:05,853
I just think it's fantastic that
we can play this stuff in public.

1409
01:43:05,936 --> 01:43:08,814
I mean, you know, it really turns me on
that it turns them on.

1410
01:43:08,897 --> 01:43:11,191
And Jane, she is a clerk

1411
01:43:11,275 --> 01:43:13,861
We don't have any point to prove
or any ax to grind,

1412
01:43:13,944 --> 01:43:17,114
or just anything to tell anybody else.

1413
01:43:17,197 --> 01:43:20,033
And when
When they come home from work

1414
01:43:22,578 --> 01:43:24,371
He knew he was talented.

1415
01:43:24,454 --> 01:43:29,084
He knew he was a great
guitar player and a great songwriter.

1416
01:43:30,043 --> 01:43:34,506
And we weren't getting anywhere
as far as what he hoped to achieve.

1417
01:43:35,757 --> 01:43:38,677
And, damn it… when is this gonna happen?

1418
01:43:39,887 --> 01:43:43,182
But anyone who ever had a heart

1419
01:43:43,807 --> 01:43:48,187
Oh, they wouldn't turn around
And break it

1420
01:43:49,062 --> 01:43:52,399
And anyone who ever played a part

1421
01:43:52,482 --> 01:43:56,778
Oh, they wouldn't turn around
And hate it

1422
01:43:58,488 --> 01:44:02,409
Sweet Jane

1423
01:44:03,035 --> 01:44:06,163
Sweet Jane

1424
01:44:12,794 --> 01:44:14,922
Then came the show at Max's.

1425
01:44:17,508 --> 01:44:18,926
He just ground to a halt.

1426
01:44:21,678 --> 01:44:24,223
Here comes the ocean

1427
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:30,229
And the waves down by the sea

1428
01:44:30,312 --> 01:44:32,523
To think that this is after five years,

1429
01:44:32,606 --> 01:44:39,112
they're playing upstairs at Max's
with a way shrunken band.

1430
01:44:39,196 --> 01:44:43,325
And the waves, where have they been?

1431
01:44:47,955 --> 01:44:51,208
He was growling,
just barely getting through it.

1432
01:44:51,291 --> 01:44:53,210
Really not having any fun.

1433
01:44:53,293 --> 01:44:57,840
It could just drive me crazy

1434
01:44:57,923 --> 01:44:59,842
I'd kind of decided to go back to school.

1435
01:44:59,925 --> 01:45:03,929
Get away from all of that sort of thing.

1436
01:45:05,681 --> 01:45:07,391
He just didn't wanna tell us, I think.

1437
01:45:07,474 --> 01:45:11,562
He didn't run away, but when he told
us was as we walked in the airport.

1438
01:45:11,645 --> 01:45:13,856
He finally said, "I'm not going."

1439
01:45:16,525 --> 01:45:19,111
And he did tell me the reason he did that

1440
01:45:19,194 --> 01:45:21,154
was he was afraid
they'd talk him out of it.

1441
01:45:21,947 --> 01:45:24,032
Moe would cry. No.

1442
01:45:25,576 --> 01:45:28,912
Moe said it was like being
stabbed in the heart by him.

1443
01:45:29,496 --> 01:45:32,416
…of the land

1444
01:45:32,499 --> 01:45:38,172
That has been down by the sea

1445
01:45:40,674 --> 01:45:45,554
I had gone to see them at Max's,
and the set was over,

1446
01:45:45,637 --> 01:45:49,016
and Lou came and walked
towards the exit.

1447
01:45:49,099 --> 01:45:51,518
I said, "Oh, Lou."
He just kept walking really fast.

1448
01:45:53,395 --> 01:45:56,607
And then someone said,
"He just quit the band."

1449
01:45:56,690 --> 01:45:59,359
Down by the sea

1450
01:46:00,611 --> 01:46:03,864
He just quit. That's it.
That's-- he-- it's over.

1451
01:46:06,241 --> 01:46:12,706
Here comes the ocean and the waves

1452
01:46:12,789 --> 01:46:15,751
Down by the shore

1453
01:46:19,588 --> 01:46:23,300
Here comes the ocean

1454
01:46:23,383 --> 01:46:26,053
And the waves…

1455
01:46:26,136 --> 01:46:29,348
After he left the band, he went
and stayed at his parents' house

1456
01:46:29,431 --> 01:46:31,058
for a year and a half or something.

1457
01:46:31,808 --> 01:46:35,938
He was trying to get it together,
I guess, his brains.

1458
01:46:36,522 --> 01:46:39,525
There'd been, like, a real
problem with management.

1459
01:46:39,608 --> 01:46:41,527
I went off to lick my wounds.

1460
01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:43,779
My mother had told me
when I was in school, she said,

1461
01:46:43,862 --> 01:46:47,491
"You should take typing so you have
a profession to fall back on."

1462
01:46:47,574 --> 01:46:52,496
I am a lazy son
I never get things done

1463
01:46:52,579 --> 01:46:57,209
Made up mostly of water

1464
01:46:57,292 --> 01:46:59,878
And here

1465
01:46:59,962 --> 01:47:03,006
Come the waves

1466
01:47:06,260 --> 01:47:09,137
Down by the shore

1467
01:47:09,221 --> 01:47:11,807
They had shined so brightly

1468
01:47:11,890 --> 01:47:16,979
that no space could contain
that amount of light being put out.

1469
01:47:25,112 --> 01:47:28,991
You need physics
to describe that band at its height.

1470
01:47:29,074 --> 01:47:32,077
Here come the waves

1471
01:47:35,163 --> 01:47:39,501
It had entropy within it.

1472
01:47:40,586 --> 01:47:44,590
Here come the waves

1473
01:47:53,765 --> 01:47:57,311
Here come the waves

1474
01:48:29,426 --> 01:48:35,474
Here come the waves

1475
01:48:39,937 --> 01:48:45,943
Here come the waves

1476
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:55,202
Here come the waves

1477
01:49:03,418 --> 01:49:05,671
Hello? Yeah.

1478
01:49:06,213 --> 01:49:07,297
It's Barbara.

1479
01:49:10,092 --> 01:49:12,010
Hey, is anything happening?

1480
01:49:12,928 --> 01:49:14,054
Great.

1481
01:49:14,805 --> 01:49:18,100
Don't be silly.
Just get something over here quick.

1482
01:49:20,143 --> 01:49:21,270
I'll talk to you later.

1483
01:49:25,023 --> 01:49:26,692
Do you like the way the colors go in that?

1484
01:49:26,775 --> 01:49:28,193
They're very strange.

1485
01:49:28,277 --> 01:49:30,195
They're photo-- photographs or…

1486
01:49:30,279 --> 01:49:32,447
-No, they're paintings.
-They look nice.

1487
01:49:32,531 --> 01:49:34,700
But there's one
of the Velvet Underground in there.

1488
01:49:34,783 --> 01:49:36,660
Isn't that amazing?

1489
01:49:36,743 --> 01:49:38,370
That is amazing.

1490
01:49:39,663 --> 01:49:40,956
Who's this one person?

1491
01:49:41,039 --> 01:49:42,249
-That's Sterling.
-Sterling.

1492
01:49:43,333 --> 01:49:45,794
I missed that one.

1493
01:49:45,878 --> 01:49:47,004
Do you still see any of them?

1494
01:49:47,087 --> 01:49:50,966
Yeah, I saw Maureen last week.

1495
01:49:51,550 --> 01:49:53,552
Yeah, she's a computer programmer now.

1496
01:49:53,635 --> 01:49:55,470
-Yeah. She works in a factory.
-What do--

1497
01:49:55,554 --> 01:49:56,847
-In more than one sense.
-Really?

1498
01:49:58,599 --> 01:50:00,809
IBM. She's got a kid.

1499
01:50:00,893 --> 01:50:03,520
You still in contact with John? John Cale?

1500
01:50:04,146 --> 01:50:06,064
Yeah, I heard from him the other day.

1501
01:50:06,565 --> 01:50:09,443
What is he--
He's still writing, of course, but…

1502
01:50:09,526 --> 01:50:12,029
He's working for Island Records and…

1503
01:50:12,905 --> 01:50:14,865
He's with Island? I didn't realize--

1504
01:50:14,948 --> 01:50:17,201
He was with Warner Brothers,
now he's with Island.

1505
01:50:27,878 --> 01:50:29,713
It took us a while to get here.

1506
01:50:33,217 --> 01:50:37,137
I don't know

1507
01:50:37,721 --> 01:50:40,140
Just where I'm going

1508
01:50:43,685 --> 01:50:47,689
But I'm going to try

1509
01:50:47,773 --> 01:50:49,900
For the kingdom if I can

1510
01:50:50,901 --> 01:50:55,405
'Cause it makes me feel like I'm a man

1511
01:50:56,156 --> 01:51:00,202
When I put a spike into my vein

1512
01:51:00,869 --> 01:51:04,915
Oh, I tell you
Things aren't quite the same

1513
01:51:05,874 --> 01:51:09,419
When I'm rushing on my run

1514
01:51:10,462 --> 01:51:13,799
And I feel just like Jesus' son

1515
01:51:14,842 --> 01:51:18,053
And I guess I just don't know

1516
01:51:18,929 --> 01:51:21,890
And I guess that I just don't know

1517
01:51:32,609 --> 01:51:34,319
I

1518
01:51:37,197 --> 01:51:38,907
Don't know

1519
01:51:41,159 --> 01:51:44,329
I've decided a couple of things

1520
01:51:52,963 --> 01:51:54,923
But I

1521
01:51:57,718 --> 01:51:59,720
Know that I'm

1522
01:52:01,346 --> 01:52:04,558
Gonna try and negate my life

1523
01:52:04,641 --> 01:52:08,812
'Cause when the blood begins to flow

1524
01:52:09,771 --> 01:52:12,983
When it shoots up the dropper's neck

1525
01:52:13,775 --> 01:52:16,862
When I'm closing in on death

1526
01:52:28,874 --> 01:52:30,876
You can't help me

1527
01:52:30,959 --> 01:52:33,962
Not you guys
Or all you sweet pretty girls

1528
01:52:34,046 --> 01:52:36,131
With all your sweet pretty talk

1529
01:52:36,757 --> 01:52:39,927
You can all go take a walk

1530
01:52:40,677 --> 01:52:43,722
And I guess I just don't know

1531
01:52:44,598 --> 01:52:47,518
And I guess that I just don't know

1532
01:52:58,070 --> 01:53:04,493
I wish that

1533
01:53:06,286 --> 01:53:09,164
I was born a thousand years ago

1534
01:53:18,757 --> 01:53:24,513
And I wish that

1535
01:53:27,099 --> 01:53:30,394
I'd sailed the darkened seas

1536
01:53:31,478 --> 01:53:35,107
On a great, big clipper ship

1537
01:53:36,316 --> 01:53:40,445
Goin' from this land here to that

1538
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:45,117
Put on a sailor's suit and cap

1539
01:54:03,594 --> 01:54:07,806
Away from the big cities

1540
01:54:07,890 --> 01:54:11,018
Where a man cannot be free

1541
01:54:11,101 --> 01:54:14,730
Of all of the evil in this town

1542
01:54:14,813 --> 01:54:18,400
And of himself and those around

1543
01:54:18,483 --> 01:54:22,029
Oh, and I guess I just don't know

1544
01:54:22,112 --> 01:54:26,116
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know

1545
01:55:05,948 --> 01:55:12,663
And what costume
Shall the poor girl wear

1546
01:55:15,457 --> 01:55:20,546
To all tomorrow's parties?

1547
01:55:23,257 --> 01:55:29,555
A hand-me-down dress
From who-knows-where

1548
01:55:32,432 --> 01:55:37,563
To all tomorrow's parties

1549
01:55:40,232 --> 01:55:45,362
And where will she go
And what shall she do

1550
01:55:45,445 --> 01:55:49,700
When midnight comes around?

1551
01:55:53,078 --> 01:55:59,293
She'll turn once more
To Sunday's clown

1552
01:56:02,254 --> 01:56:06,925
And cry behind the door

1553
01:56:47,883 --> 01:56:54,389
And what costume shall
The poor girl wear

1554
01:56:57,476 --> 01:57:02,356
To all tomorrow's parties?

1555
01:57:05,025 --> 01:57:11,240
Why silks and linens
Of yesterday's gowns

1556
01:57:14,284 --> 01:57:19,289
To all tomorrow's parties?

1557
01:57:21,875 --> 01:57:27,089
And what will she do
With Thursday's rags

1558
01:57:27,172 --> 01:57:31,301
When Monday comes around?

1559
01:57:34,763 --> 01:57:40,894
She'll turn once more
To Sunday's clown

1560
01:57:43,814 --> 01:57:48,569
And cry behind the door

1561
01:58:47,085 --> 01:58:53,509
And what costume shall
The poor girl wear

1562
01:58:56,470 --> 01:59:01,642
To all tomorrow's parties?

1563
01:59:04,019 --> 01:59:10,067
For Thursday's child is Sunday's clown

1564
01:59:12,903 --> 01:59:17,950
For whom none will go mourning

1565
01:59:20,577 --> 01:59:25,499
A blackened shroud
A hand-me-down gown

1566
01:59:25,582 --> 01:59:30,462
Of rags and silks, a costume

1567
01:59:33,382 --> 01:59:40,389
Fit for one who sits and cries

1568
01:59:42,015 --> 01:59:47,396
For all tomorrow's parties