1 00:00:01,346 --> 00:00:03,348 [liquid pours] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08,870 --> 00:00:09,699 [clink] 5 00:00:13,703 --> 00:00:16,844 [eerie music] 6 00:00:16,878 --> 00:00:19,950 [gentle piano music] 7 00:00:23,299 --> 00:00:24,507 - In the armed forces, 8 00:00:24,541 --> 00:00:26,060 there's a nuclear weapons program 9 00:00:26,095 --> 00:00:28,925 called the Personnel Reliability Program. 10 00:00:28,959 --> 00:00:31,376 Do you have personal defects? 11 00:00:31,410 --> 00:00:34,862 Do you have financial problems which could compromise you? 12 00:00:34,896 --> 00:00:37,002 Do you have a problem with infidelity? 13 00:00:38,797 --> 00:00:41,386 This is the program where they screen you 14 00:00:41,420 --> 00:00:43,112 to see if you can be trusted 15 00:00:43,146 --> 00:00:47,564 to hold an M16 to guard the truck 16 00:00:47,599 --> 00:00:50,119 that might carry a nuclear weapon. 17 00:00:50,153 --> 00:00:52,604 Not that it will, that it might. 18 00:00:52,638 --> 00:00:54,468 That also is the program where they determine 19 00:00:54,502 --> 00:00:57,264 whether you're an Air Force missile flight officer, 20 00:00:57,298 --> 00:00:59,369 whether you can go down into a bunker 21 00:00:59,404 --> 00:01:01,302 and be responsible to turn the keys on 22 00:01:01,337 --> 00:01:03,408 a Minuteman-III missile. 23 00:01:03,442 --> 00:01:05,479 - [Announcer] The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 24 00:01:05,513 --> 00:01:10,415 - That is an entire scaled evaluation program 25 00:01:10,449 --> 00:01:13,487 that shows your personal reliability 26 00:01:13,521 --> 00:01:18,457 to carry out your orders and to do the highest risk things 27 00:01:19,665 --> 00:01:22,012 like fly a B-52 bomber or B-2 bomber 28 00:01:22,047 --> 00:01:24,774 and drop a nuclear weapon. 29 00:01:24,808 --> 00:01:26,741 The President of the United States 30 00:01:26,776 --> 00:01:30,124 doesn't have to meet any of these parameters, 31 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:32,333 none of them whatsoever, 32 00:01:32,368 --> 00:01:36,303 because the electorate choosing you 33 00:01:36,337 --> 00:01:39,513 clears you into all of these programs. 34 00:01:41,722 --> 00:01:43,482 [crowd cheering] 35 00:01:43,517 --> 00:01:45,035 We have a president of the United States 36 00:01:45,070 --> 00:01:48,315 who was duly elected, he was put into office, 37 00:01:48,349 --> 00:01:52,250 given the great faith of the people who voted him in. 38 00:01:52,284 --> 00:01:55,701 - I Donald John Trump do solemnly swear. 39 00:01:55,736 --> 00:01:59,498 - I Donald John Trump do solemnly swear. 40 00:01:59,533 --> 00:02:01,604 - And if we look at the great presidents 41 00:02:01,638 --> 00:02:02,812 of the United States, 42 00:02:02,846 --> 00:02:05,608 there's one unifying thing: 43 00:02:05,642 --> 00:02:08,714 they maintained the continuity 44 00:02:08,749 --> 00:02:12,787 in how the Constitution was upheld and defended. 45 00:02:12,822 --> 00:02:13,788 - [John] So help me God. 46 00:02:13,823 --> 00:02:15,204 - So help me God. 47 00:02:15,238 --> 00:02:16,481 - Congratulations, Mr. President. 48 00:02:16,515 --> 00:02:18,862 [crowd cheering] 49 00:02:18,897 --> 00:02:21,417 [upbeat music] 50 00:02:23,591 --> 00:02:26,215 - At first, it was just political name calling 51 00:02:26,249 --> 00:02:29,459 and insults suggesting Donald Trump was a lunatic. 52 00:02:29,494 --> 00:02:32,082 - This man is a pathological liar. 53 00:02:32,117 --> 00:02:35,500 - Guarantee I have a vocabulary better than all of 'em, 54 00:02:36,604 --> 00:02:38,917 I know I have an IQ better than all of them. 55 00:02:38,951 --> 00:02:40,539 I'm very highly educated. 56 00:02:40,574 --> 00:02:41,368 I know words. 57 00:02:41,402 --> 00:02:42,610 I have the best words 58 00:02:43,922 --> 00:02:46,027 but there's no better word than stupid. 59 00:02:46,062 --> 00:02:48,237 Oh, I don't know what I said. 60 00:02:48,271 --> 00:02:49,479 I don't remember. 61 00:02:49,514 --> 00:02:51,067 I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue 62 00:02:51,101 --> 00:02:54,001 and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? 63 00:02:54,035 --> 00:02:55,485 - [Man] But more recently, 64 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,315 the conversation about the president's mental state 65 00:02:57,349 --> 00:02:59,144 has taken a more serious tone. 66 00:03:00,421 --> 00:03:02,423 - I can't explain this crazy behavior, 67 00:03:02,458 --> 00:03:04,011 but I can call it crazy. 68 00:03:04,045 --> 00:03:06,703 - [Donald] We've taken this big, beautiful ship 69 00:03:06,738 --> 00:03:09,327 and it's being turned around very quickly. 70 00:03:09,361 --> 00:03:12,019 - [Man] I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist 71 00:03:12,053 --> 00:03:14,090 but the guy needs therapy. 72 00:03:14,124 --> 00:03:14,953 - USA! 73 00:03:14,987 --> 00:03:15,816 USA! 74 00:03:16,644 --> 00:03:17,956 I am the chosen one. 75 00:03:20,061 --> 00:03:23,030 - [Man] Almost everyone seems to have an opinion. 76 00:03:23,064 --> 00:03:25,722 Could Donald Trump be unfit for office? 77 00:03:36,077 --> 00:03:38,563 [chattering] 78 00:03:42,670 --> 00:03:43,809 - Good evening. 79 00:03:43,844 --> 00:03:44,948 Thank you guys for coming. 80 00:03:44,983 --> 00:03:46,950 I know our first official press briefing 81 00:03:46,985 --> 00:03:48,228 is gonna to be on Monday 82 00:03:48,262 --> 00:03:49,159 but I wanted to give you a few updates 83 00:03:49,194 --> 00:03:50,954 on the President's activities. 84 00:03:50,989 --> 00:03:53,233 But before I get to the news of the day, 85 00:03:53,267 --> 00:03:55,062 I think I'd like to discuss a little bit of the coverage 86 00:03:55,096 --> 00:03:57,064 in the past 24 hours. 87 00:03:57,098 --> 00:03:59,584 Yesterday, at a time when our nation and the world 88 00:03:59,618 --> 00:04:02,172 was watching the peaceful transition of power, 89 00:04:02,207 --> 00:04:03,829 some members of the media were engaged 90 00:04:03,864 --> 00:04:05,831 in deliberately false reporting. 91 00:04:05,866 --> 00:04:07,730 Photographs of the inaugural proceedings 92 00:04:07,764 --> 00:04:11,181 were intentionally framed in a way, in one particular tweet, 93 00:04:11,216 --> 00:04:13,114 to minimize the enormous support 94 00:04:13,149 --> 00:04:15,427 that had gathered on the National Mall. 95 00:04:15,462 --> 00:04:17,567 No one had numbers. 96 00:04:17,602 --> 00:04:18,948 This was the largest audience 97 00:04:18,982 --> 00:04:22,020 to ever witness an inauguration, period, 98 00:04:22,054 --> 00:04:24,747 both in person and around the globe. 99 00:04:24,781 --> 00:04:26,611 Even the New York Times printed a photograph. 100 00:04:26,645 --> 00:04:29,614 - Why put him out there for the very first time 101 00:04:30,856 --> 00:04:32,202 and utter a falsehood? 102 00:04:32,237 --> 00:04:33,169 Why did he do that? 103 00:04:33,203 --> 00:04:34,964 It undermines the credibility 104 00:04:34,998 --> 00:04:37,622 of the entire White House press office on day one. 105 00:04:37,656 --> 00:04:39,002 - No it doesn't. 106 00:04:39,037 --> 00:04:41,660 Don't be so overly dramatic about it, Chuck. 107 00:04:41,695 --> 00:04:43,144 You're saying it's a falsehood 108 00:04:43,179 --> 00:04:45,871 and they're giving Sean Spicer, our Press Secretary, 109 00:04:45,906 --> 00:04:48,322 gave alternative facts to that 110 00:04:48,357 --> 00:04:49,944 but the point remains that there is-- 111 00:04:49,979 --> 00:04:51,463 - Wait a minute, alternative facts? 112 00:04:51,498 --> 00:04:54,811 Look, alternative facts are not facts, they're falsehoods. 113 00:04:55,743 --> 00:04:58,677 [whimsical music] 114 00:04:59,644 --> 00:05:00,714 - My name's George Conway. 115 00:05:00,748 --> 00:05:02,681 I'm a lawyer, I'm a litigator. 116 00:05:02,716 --> 00:05:05,891 I principally practice securities litigation. 117 00:05:06,927 --> 00:05:08,169 I've argued appeals 118 00:05:08,204 --> 00:05:10,724 including a big case in the Supreme Court. 119 00:05:12,553 --> 00:05:15,211 My wife was Donald Trump's Campaign Manager 120 00:05:16,385 --> 00:05:18,490 and now is Counselor to the President. 121 00:05:18,525 --> 00:05:20,216 - And he said a lot about these instances. 122 00:05:20,250 --> 00:05:24,496 - I was a Republican since probably about 1980 123 00:05:24,531 --> 00:05:27,430 when Ronald Reagan was elected president. 124 00:05:28,569 --> 00:05:30,813 I voted for Donald Trump in 2016 125 00:05:30,847 --> 00:05:33,747 and I almost took a job in the Justice Department myself 126 00:05:33,781 --> 00:05:36,543 to run the Civil Division of the Department of Justice. 127 00:05:37,716 --> 00:05:41,479 Donald Trump wasn't my first choice 128 00:05:41,513 --> 00:05:43,343 among the Republican nominees 129 00:05:43,377 --> 00:05:48,348 but I was hopeful that he would calm down 130 00:05:50,971 --> 00:05:52,628 and get better as time went on. 131 00:05:53,767 --> 00:05:56,390 He started to show a little more discipline. 132 00:05:56,425 --> 00:06:00,187 He would only go off the rails every third day 133 00:06:00,221 --> 00:06:01,913 instead of every day, 134 00:06:01,947 --> 00:06:03,846 but the problem was 135 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,608 once he got into the supreme position of power, 136 00:06:07,643 --> 00:06:11,716 he lost some of his incentive to be disciplined 137 00:06:11,750 --> 00:06:13,856 and I'm thinking at this point in time, 138 00:06:13,890 --> 00:06:15,340 "What is wrong with him?" 139 00:06:16,652 --> 00:06:19,344 Donald Trump is like a practical joke that got out of hand. 140 00:06:21,415 --> 00:06:23,072 I mean, that's the problem. 141 00:06:23,106 --> 00:06:24,970 I mean, I didn't go into the administration 142 00:06:25,005 --> 00:06:27,110 for a lot of reasons 143 00:06:27,145 --> 00:06:31,460 but the fundamental reason was it was a mess. 144 00:06:33,669 --> 00:06:36,430 I guess I must've been googling Trump and mental health 145 00:06:38,294 --> 00:06:40,123 because I clearly thought 146 00:06:40,158 --> 00:06:42,436 there's something seriously wrong with him 147 00:06:42,471 --> 00:06:47,441 and I came across an article in Rolling Stone magazine, 148 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:50,617 Is Trump a Malignant Narcissist? 149 00:06:52,101 --> 00:06:55,587 And a number of people like Dr. Gartner were interviewed 150 00:06:55,622 --> 00:06:59,971 and as soon as I read that I realized that's it. 151 00:07:02,939 --> 00:07:07,944 You cannot understand his presidency without knowing this. 152 00:07:11,154 --> 00:07:11,948 - My name is John Gartner. 153 00:07:11,983 --> 00:07:13,467 I'm a psychologist. 154 00:07:13,502 --> 00:07:15,124 I taught in the Department of Psychiatry 155 00:07:15,158 --> 00:07:18,368 at Johns Hopkins University for 28 years. 156 00:07:18,403 --> 00:07:21,510 I've written some books and I'm the founder of Duty to Warn, 157 00:07:21,544 --> 00:07:23,477 an organization of mental health professionals 158 00:07:23,512 --> 00:07:25,790 that believe that Donald Trump should be removed 159 00:07:25,824 --> 00:07:28,620 because he's psychologically unfit. 160 00:07:28,655 --> 00:07:29,966 My name is Lance Dodes. 161 00:07:30,001 --> 00:07:32,486 I'm a psychiatrist and a psychoanalyst. 162 00:07:32,521 --> 00:07:34,315 I've spent most of my research career 163 00:07:34,350 --> 00:07:37,042 looking at compulsive and addictive behavior 164 00:07:37,077 --> 00:07:40,114 and I've become interested in the importance of psychology 165 00:07:40,149 --> 00:07:41,322 in politics in recent years 166 00:07:41,357 --> 00:07:43,704 because of the threat to our country. 167 00:07:43,739 --> 00:07:45,982 - My name is Justin Frank, 168 00:07:46,017 --> 00:07:48,122 a psychoanalyst and a psychiatrist. 169 00:07:48,157 --> 00:07:52,161 I've been in practice in DC for about 40 years. 170 00:07:53,403 --> 00:07:55,647 Is Donald Trump fit to serve as the President 171 00:07:55,682 --> 00:07:57,028 and Commander in Chief? 172 00:07:57,062 --> 00:07:59,824 I can answer that with one word, no. 173 00:07:59,858 --> 00:08:03,690 Trump is a sociopath, a sadist, a con artist, 174 00:08:03,724 --> 00:08:07,487 a racist, a misogynist, a sexist in general, 175 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:09,040 and I think it is a problem. 176 00:08:10,559 --> 00:08:14,424 - How dare liberals, people on the left, 177 00:08:14,459 --> 00:08:19,464 try to undo democracy by accusing a president 178 00:08:20,569 --> 00:08:22,674 of being mentally ill without any basis? 179 00:08:22,709 --> 00:08:26,816 Look, these psychiatrists now who are trying to diagnose 180 00:08:26,851 --> 00:08:28,404 without ever having met the man. 181 00:08:28,438 --> 00:08:29,647 - This is not the first time 182 00:08:29,681 --> 00:08:30,855 the left has gone at Republicans. 183 00:08:30,889 --> 00:08:32,546 They did the same thing to Barry Goldwater, 184 00:08:32,581 --> 00:08:34,203 they did the same thing to Ronald Reagan. 185 00:08:34,237 --> 00:08:37,068 - Over 1,000 psychiatrists diagnosed Barry Goldwater 186 00:08:37,102 --> 00:08:38,932 and said he was mentally ill, 187 00:08:38,966 --> 00:08:40,105 they were then rebuked 188 00:08:40,140 --> 00:08:42,073 by the American Psychiatric Association 189 00:08:42,107 --> 00:08:43,523 and said, 190 00:08:43,557 --> 00:08:46,698 "Do not make diagnosis without seeing the patient." 191 00:08:46,733 --> 00:08:49,494 And they continue to do it today. 192 00:08:50,495 --> 00:08:52,980 [giddy music] 193 00:08:56,605 --> 00:08:57,744 - [Narrator] The election campaign's 194 00:08:57,778 --> 00:08:59,711 in full swing in New Hampshire, 195 00:08:59,746 --> 00:09:01,437 bellwether state of the nation. 196 00:09:01,471 --> 00:09:04,302 It goes to the polls on March 10th 197 00:09:04,336 --> 00:09:07,063 and growing support for Goldwater. 198 00:09:07,098 --> 00:09:08,962 - So, the Goldwater rule has an interesting history. 199 00:09:08,996 --> 00:09:11,723 In 1964, Barry Goldwater ran for president 200 00:09:11,758 --> 00:09:14,243 and a now defunct magazine, Fact Magazine, 201 00:09:14,277 --> 00:09:16,210 did a survey of psychiatrists and published an article 202 00:09:16,245 --> 00:09:19,628 saying psychiatrists think that Goldwater is unfit. 203 00:09:19,662 --> 00:09:22,078 Goldwater sued them and he won 204 00:09:22,113 --> 00:09:24,494 and as it turns out, actually, he deserved to win. 205 00:09:24,529 --> 00:09:25,772 It was libelous. 206 00:09:25,806 --> 00:09:27,877 He was not unstable. 207 00:09:27,912 --> 00:09:29,810 And the psychiatrists 208 00:09:29,845 --> 00:09:32,468 who wrote those statements about Goldwater, 209 00:09:32,502 --> 00:09:33,400 it's important for people to understand 210 00:09:33,434 --> 00:09:34,608 the history of our field, 211 00:09:34,643 --> 00:09:37,335 this was in the '60s when Freudian psychiatry 212 00:09:37,369 --> 00:09:38,750 really ruled the roost. 213 00:09:43,444 --> 00:09:45,585 - This is what I've discovered. 214 00:09:45,619 --> 00:09:48,415 We are constantly bedeviled by powerful, 215 00:09:48,449 --> 00:09:50,520 unconscious forces in our beings. 216 00:09:51,832 --> 00:09:54,248 - [John] And so their explanations were things like 217 00:09:54,283 --> 00:09:56,319 he's a latent homosexual, 218 00:09:56,354 --> 00:09:58,425 he's been scarred by his potty-training, 219 00:09:58,459 --> 00:10:00,530 he has an unresolved Oedipus complex. 220 00:10:00,565 --> 00:10:03,913 - [Narrator] Based on unconscious hate of his own father 221 00:10:03,948 --> 00:10:05,639 caused by childhood jealousy. 222 00:10:08,469 --> 00:10:11,024 [upbeat music] 223 00:10:16,788 --> 00:10:18,169 - Freudian psychiatry, 224 00:10:18,203 --> 00:10:20,274 though it has many important and positive aspects 225 00:10:20,309 --> 00:10:22,276 and helped move the profession forward, 226 00:10:22,311 --> 00:10:24,037 it's not been used well 227 00:10:24,071 --> 00:10:27,281 in terms of its analyzing public figures. 228 00:10:27,316 --> 00:10:29,180 I actually interviewed the last living member 229 00:10:29,214 --> 00:10:31,320 of the ethics committee that formed the Goldwater rule 230 00:10:31,354 --> 00:10:34,841 and he said these were obviously wild speculations, 231 00:10:34,875 --> 00:10:36,325 they weren't founded in fact, 232 00:10:36,359 --> 00:10:38,534 and so they embarrassed the profession 233 00:10:38,568 --> 00:10:41,364 because they were really idle speculations 234 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:43,504 and so that's why they passed that rule. 235 00:10:43,539 --> 00:10:44,713 He said to me, 236 00:10:44,747 --> 00:10:46,542 "We never intended it to be a gag order," 237 00:10:46,576 --> 00:10:48,475 meaning that psychiatrists could never speak up 238 00:10:48,509 --> 00:10:49,959 about public figures, 239 00:10:49,994 --> 00:10:52,030 "We just didn't want them making unfounded statements." 240 00:10:53,411 --> 00:10:57,933 - The Goldwater rule today has been incorrectly extended 241 00:10:58,865 --> 00:11:00,142 and the incorrect part about it 242 00:11:00,176 --> 00:11:04,146 is that it now is being used to suppress speech 243 00:11:04,180 --> 00:11:05,699 about things that are knowable. 244 00:11:07,252 --> 00:11:10,428 It's as nonsensical as saying an orthopedic surgeon 245 00:11:10,462 --> 00:11:13,327 shouldn't be able to watch somebody in a football injury 246 00:11:13,362 --> 00:11:16,089 and say that person probably has an ACL tear, 247 00:11:17,573 --> 00:11:19,333 he can say it because he's an expert in the field. 248 00:11:19,368 --> 00:11:21,266 Something happened, he observed it. 249 00:11:21,301 --> 00:11:22,820 - And what people need to understand 250 00:11:22,854 --> 00:11:25,339 is that actually the psychiatric interview 251 00:11:25,374 --> 00:11:28,411 is the least reliable method of making a diagnosis 252 00:11:28,446 --> 00:11:31,587 because our current diagnostic system, the DSM, 253 00:11:31,621 --> 00:11:35,280 is based on observable, behavioral criteria. 254 00:11:35,315 --> 00:11:37,041 Well, when you meet with someone they can lie to you. 255 00:11:37,075 --> 00:11:38,387 So, they can say, "Oh, I never did that," 256 00:11:38,421 --> 00:11:39,906 or, "I don't do that." 257 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:42,115 But if you can actually observe their behavior, 258 00:11:42,149 --> 00:11:43,254 if you can follow them around, 259 00:11:43,288 --> 00:11:44,427 if you can watch them on TV, 260 00:11:44,462 --> 00:11:46,015 if you can read their social media, 261 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:48,224 if you could talk to all their significant others, 262 00:11:48,259 --> 00:11:50,468 you'd probably get a much more reliable indicator 263 00:11:50,502 --> 00:11:51,849 of how they behave. 264 00:11:51,883 --> 00:11:53,264 - I'm not concerned about anything 265 00:11:53,298 --> 00:11:56,785 with the Russian investigation because it's a hoax. 266 00:11:56,819 --> 00:11:58,062 That's enough. 267 00:11:58,096 --> 00:11:59,580 Put down the mic. - Mr. President. 268 00:11:59,615 --> 00:12:01,444 - I am more confident in my diagnosis of Donald Trump 269 00:12:01,479 --> 00:12:03,757 than any diagnosis I've ever made before 270 00:12:03,792 --> 00:12:05,345 because I have more information. 271 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:08,831 - By outward appearance, 272 00:12:10,488 --> 00:12:12,835 you're 10 years older than you were a year ago. 273 00:12:16,839 --> 00:12:18,841 - Some weariness has bit at my bones. 274 00:12:22,362 --> 00:12:23,604 - It's not true 275 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:25,572 that having any kind of mental health disorder 276 00:12:25,606 --> 00:12:27,885 would make someone a bad president. 277 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:28,989 One of my favorite books 278 00:12:29,024 --> 00:12:31,129 is a book called "Lincoln's Melancholy", 279 00:12:31,164 --> 00:12:34,339 about how Lincoln's being a depressive personality 280 00:12:34,374 --> 00:12:36,686 is part of what allowed him to win the Civil War. 281 00:12:36,721 --> 00:12:40,345 He had a capacity to endure mental suffering 282 00:12:41,553 --> 00:12:44,522 that was baked into who he was 283 00:12:44,556 --> 00:12:47,283 and so the enormous burden of the Civil War 284 00:12:47,318 --> 00:12:49,907 was something he was actually able to endure. 285 00:12:49,941 --> 00:12:52,150 - I have seen what's happened in this last four years 286 00:12:52,185 --> 00:12:54,704 when in my state, when people lose their jobs 287 00:12:54,739 --> 00:12:57,086 there's a good chance I'll know them by their names. 288 00:12:57,121 --> 00:12:59,123 - Bill Clinton, I wrote a biography of Bill Clinton, 289 00:12:59,157 --> 00:13:02,920 about how his hypomania was part of what energized him 290 00:13:02,954 --> 00:13:06,164 in terms of his charisma and his creativity, 291 00:13:06,199 --> 00:13:08,201 it also had to do with his impulse control problems 292 00:13:08,235 --> 00:13:09,167 and his hypersexuality, 293 00:13:09,202 --> 00:13:10,790 so it was a double-edged sword 294 00:13:10,824 --> 00:13:14,103 but it doesn't disqualify someone from being president 295 00:13:14,138 --> 00:13:16,968 if they have a psychological disorder, 296 00:13:18,383 --> 00:13:22,353 but Donald Trump shows clear signs 297 00:13:22,387 --> 00:13:25,287 of the most severe personality disorder, 298 00:13:25,321 --> 00:13:26,840 it's called malignant narcissism 299 00:13:26,875 --> 00:13:29,325 and was first introduced by Erich Fromm 300 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,812 who escaped the Nazis and spent a lot of his life 301 00:13:32,846 --> 00:13:35,573 trying to understand the psychology of evil. 302 00:13:35,607 --> 00:13:38,369 And he formulated this diagnosis of malignant narcissism 303 00:13:38,403 --> 00:13:43,201 which has four components: narcissism, paranoia, 304 00:13:43,236 --> 00:13:45,755 anti-social personality disorder and sadism. 305 00:13:47,205 --> 00:13:49,552 I think everybody knows Donald Trump's a narcissist by now. 306 00:13:49,587 --> 00:13:53,522 - I will be the greatest jobs producer 307 00:13:53,556 --> 00:13:55,041 that God ever created. 308 00:13:55,075 --> 00:13:59,873 I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me. 309 00:13:59,908 --> 00:14:01,771 - Who are you consulting with consistently 310 00:14:01,806 --> 00:14:04,015 so that you're ready on day one? 311 00:14:04,050 --> 00:14:06,190 - [Donald] I'm speaking with myself, number one, 312 00:14:06,224 --> 00:14:09,089 because I have a very good brain. 313 00:14:09,124 --> 00:14:10,539 - But it's the other three components 314 00:14:10,573 --> 00:14:12,679 that make him truly dangerous, 315 00:14:12,713 --> 00:14:14,750 because many politicians are narcissistic 316 00:14:14,784 --> 00:14:16,890 but he's also paranoid. 317 00:14:16,925 --> 00:14:19,893 So all of his crazy conspiracy theories. 318 00:14:19,928 --> 00:14:22,551 - The state of Hawaii released 319 00:14:22,585 --> 00:14:26,900 my official long-form birth certificate. 320 00:14:26,935 --> 00:14:29,178 - [Moderator] The birth certificate was produced in 2011. 321 00:14:29,213 --> 00:14:30,904 You continued to tell the story 322 00:14:30,939 --> 00:14:33,907 and question the president's legitimacy in 2012, 323 00:14:33,942 --> 00:14:35,460 '13, '14, '15. 324 00:14:35,495 --> 00:14:36,703 - Yeah. 325 00:14:36,737 --> 00:14:38,118 - How about this one about Ted Cruz's father? 326 00:14:38,153 --> 00:14:40,741 - [Donald] His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald 327 00:14:40,776 --> 00:14:45,091 prior to Oswald's being shot and nobody even brings it up. 328 00:14:45,125 --> 00:14:47,127 - And his sense of being a victim. 329 00:14:47,162 --> 00:14:50,061 - [Reporter] Mr. Trump turned his sights on Google tweeting, 330 00:14:50,096 --> 00:14:52,822 "They have it rigged for me and others 331 00:14:52,857 --> 00:14:56,723 "so that almost all stories and news is bad." 332 00:14:56,757 --> 00:15:00,727 - And his demonization of anyone who disagrees with him. 333 00:15:00,761 --> 00:15:02,108 - Nasty guy. 334 00:15:02,142 --> 00:15:03,903 Now I know why he doesn't have one endorsement 335 00:15:03,937 --> 00:15:05,214 from any of his colleagues. 336 00:15:05,249 --> 00:15:06,733 - All right, John, I get to respond. 337 00:15:06,767 --> 00:15:07,458 - [Moderator] Senator has picked from the buffet there. 338 00:15:07,492 --> 00:15:09,115 - He's a nasty guy. 339 00:15:09,149 --> 00:15:11,911 - These are all signs of a paranoid process, 340 00:15:13,119 --> 00:15:14,948 anti-social personality disorder, 341 00:15:14,983 --> 00:15:17,675 or what used to be called psychopathy or sociopathy. 342 00:15:17,709 --> 00:15:20,850 It's constant lying, well, he's the most documented liar 343 00:15:20,885 --> 00:15:22,956 in human history, I think, at this point. 344 00:15:24,785 --> 00:15:26,926 It's violating the rights of other people 345 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,341 and exploiting other people. 346 00:15:28,375 --> 00:15:30,343 So, sexual assault would be violating 347 00:15:30,377 --> 00:15:31,447 the rights of other people, 348 00:15:31,482 --> 00:15:32,655 not paying your bills, 349 00:15:32,690 --> 00:15:35,244 or defrauding people through Trump University 350 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:37,246 would be an example of exploiting other people 351 00:15:37,281 --> 00:15:40,456 and it's breaking laws and breaking norms. 352 00:15:40,491 --> 00:15:42,458 Well, he's broken every norm of the presidency, 353 00:15:42,493 --> 00:15:44,598 that's one of the reasons he's so out of control. 354 00:15:44,633 --> 00:15:47,015 There's certain norms we thought no one would ever break 355 00:15:47,049 --> 00:15:49,983 but it's part of his personality disorder to break norms 356 00:15:50,018 --> 00:15:53,711 and to break laws and it's a lack of remorse. 357 00:15:53,745 --> 00:15:55,955 He has no guilt or anxiety 358 00:15:55,989 --> 00:15:58,302 about the destructive things that he does. 359 00:15:59,510 --> 00:16:01,374 - Impeachment for that? 360 00:16:01,408 --> 00:16:02,616 It was beautiful. 361 00:16:02,651 --> 00:16:05,033 It was just a perfect conversation. 362 00:16:05,067 --> 00:16:06,275 - And the fourth component 363 00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:08,898 that Erich Fromm identified is sadism, 364 00:16:08,933 --> 00:16:12,454 truly taking pleasure in harming, humiliating, 365 00:16:12,488 --> 00:16:14,732 and degrading other human beings. 366 00:16:14,766 --> 00:16:16,216 If you read his tweets, 367 00:16:16,251 --> 00:16:18,046 I wrote an introduction to a book about his tweets, 368 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,117 I had to read to read thousands of his tweets 369 00:16:20,151 --> 00:16:21,566 and they literally made me ill 370 00:16:21,601 --> 00:16:24,328 because it was just one vicious attack 371 00:16:24,362 --> 00:16:26,986 and humiliating insult after another after another. 372 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:28,125 I was like how can someone even come up 373 00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:29,816 with thousands of vicious things 374 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:31,576 to say about so many people? 375 00:16:31,611 --> 00:16:34,165 But he enjoys degrading and humiliating 376 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,649 and insulting other people. 377 00:16:35,684 --> 00:16:38,721 - I do think that we have enough evidence 378 00:16:38,756 --> 00:16:42,208 that most psychiatrists would feel like it's important 379 00:16:42,242 --> 00:16:43,588 to warn about Trump. 380 00:16:43,623 --> 00:16:45,590 We have a duty to warn. 381 00:16:45,625 --> 00:16:50,009 - Psychologists, and really all mental health professionals, 382 00:16:50,043 --> 00:16:53,012 have the duty to protect society 383 00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:54,599 if there's a risk to society. 384 00:16:59,294 --> 00:17:01,813 [eerie music] 385 00:17:03,436 --> 00:17:07,060 - So the Tarasoff case was in the 1970s. 386 00:17:07,095 --> 00:17:08,406 A patient said to a psychologist, 387 00:17:08,441 --> 00:17:10,788 "I'm gonna go home and murder my girlfriend." 388 00:17:10,822 --> 00:17:13,894 The psychologist didn't warn the potential victim 389 00:17:13,929 --> 00:17:16,414 and the patient went home and killed the girlfriend 390 00:17:16,449 --> 00:17:18,796 and it's now the law in all 50 states 391 00:17:18,830 --> 00:17:21,074 that if you are aware that a patient 392 00:17:21,109 --> 00:17:23,214 might be a danger to someone, 393 00:17:23,249 --> 00:17:25,078 confidentiality goes out the window, 394 00:17:25,113 --> 00:17:27,632 and confidentiality is one of our core values 395 00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:30,635 but it's more important to warn someone 396 00:17:30,670 --> 00:17:31,912 who could be harmed 397 00:17:31,947 --> 00:17:34,053 than it is to maintain even our core value 398 00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:36,227 of confidentiality. 399 00:17:36,262 --> 00:17:37,711 Trump is not my patient, 400 00:17:37,746 --> 00:17:39,230 he's not saying I'm gonna go kill my girlfriend 401 00:17:39,265 --> 00:17:41,439 but the number of people who are at risk, 402 00:17:41,474 --> 00:17:44,546 the number of people who could be harmed isn't one person, 403 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:46,548 it's hundreds of millions of people. 404 00:17:46,582 --> 00:17:50,759 So if we didn't speak up, that would be the morality. 405 00:17:50,793 --> 00:17:52,933 What annoys me about the Goldwater rule 406 00:17:52,968 --> 00:17:54,728 the way it's being interpreted now, 407 00:17:54,763 --> 00:17:58,284 is it's being interpreted as if we are being unethical 408 00:17:58,318 --> 00:18:01,252 by speaking out and warning the public 409 00:18:01,287 --> 00:18:04,152 when in fact I asked this question 410 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:08,121 to whom will history be kinder? 411 00:18:08,156 --> 00:18:12,470 Those who spoke up during the age when Trump rose, 412 00:18:12,505 --> 00:18:14,023 or those who were silent? 413 00:18:16,647 --> 00:18:19,132 - I want the cleanest water on Earth. 414 00:18:19,167 --> 00:18:22,653 I want the cleanest air on Earth, 415 00:18:22,687 --> 00:18:24,172 and that's what we're doing 416 00:18:24,206 --> 00:18:25,759 and I'm an environmentalist as you, 417 00:18:25,794 --> 00:18:27,347 a lot of people don't understand that. 418 00:18:27,382 --> 00:18:30,523 I have done more environmental impact statements 419 00:18:30,557 --> 00:18:33,526 probably than anybody that's I guess I can say definitely 420 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,287 because I've done many, many, many of them 421 00:18:36,322 --> 00:18:38,600 more than anybody that's ever been president, 422 00:18:38,634 --> 00:18:42,535 or vice president, or anything even close to president, 423 00:18:42,569 --> 00:18:44,709 and I think I know more about the environment 424 00:18:44,744 --> 00:18:45,676 than most people. 425 00:18:46,918 --> 00:18:49,818 [upbeat music] 426 00:18:49,852 --> 00:18:54,857 - Gaslighting is a crucial tool of abusive personalities. 427 00:18:55,686 --> 00:18:59,690 It is lying to someone in a way 428 00:18:59,724 --> 00:19:03,866 that makes them doubt their own perception of reality. 429 00:19:03,901 --> 00:19:06,041 - I'm Dr. Ramani Durvasula. 430 00:19:06,075 --> 00:19:07,939 I'm a professor of psychology. 431 00:19:12,254 --> 00:19:13,497 It's an interesting place 432 00:19:13,531 --> 00:19:15,568 where the origin of this term gaslight came from, 433 00:19:15,602 --> 00:19:18,329 it came from what was a play in the '30s 434 00:19:18,364 --> 00:19:20,642 and then became a film called "Gaslight", 435 00:19:20,676 --> 00:19:22,402 and it was about a man 436 00:19:22,437 --> 00:19:25,716 who was slowly trying to drive his wife mad. 437 00:19:27,959 --> 00:19:29,513 - A moment ago, the gas dimmed 438 00:19:29,547 --> 00:19:32,171 as it does when someone turns on another light in the house. 439 00:19:32,205 --> 00:19:33,758 Did you turn on another light, Elizabeth? 440 00:19:33,793 --> 00:19:36,658 - No, ma'am, there's no one in the house but us. 441 00:19:36,692 --> 00:19:38,556 - [Ramani] The gaslights kept getting turned up and down 442 00:19:38,591 --> 00:19:40,282 and he was denying having done it. 443 00:19:41,766 --> 00:19:43,906 - You're going to see a doctor, Madam. 444 00:19:43,941 --> 00:19:45,391 - No. 445 00:19:45,425 --> 00:19:47,841 - [Husband] More than one doctor tomorrow morning. 446 00:19:47,876 --> 00:19:50,189 - Very common sorts of gaslighting statements 447 00:19:50,223 --> 00:19:52,950 are things like, it never happened that way, 448 00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:55,677 you must be losing your mind. 449 00:19:55,711 --> 00:19:58,921 They'll literally say things happened that didn't happen, 450 00:19:58,956 --> 00:20:01,441 I didn't do that, I didn't say that. 451 00:20:01,476 --> 00:20:04,789 Many people call gaslighting a form of emotional abuse 452 00:20:04,824 --> 00:20:07,102 because what you're really doing is setting out 453 00:20:07,136 --> 00:20:09,035 to confuse another person. 454 00:20:09,069 --> 00:20:10,692 When you confuse someone like that, 455 00:20:10,726 --> 00:20:13,246 you really do almost render them more vulnerable to you 456 00:20:13,281 --> 00:20:14,937 and actually easier to coerce 457 00:20:14,972 --> 00:20:17,526 because now they don't really know which way is up. 458 00:20:17,561 --> 00:20:19,252 It's as though you've turned gravity off 459 00:20:19,287 --> 00:20:21,081 and turned them upside down. 460 00:20:21,116 --> 00:20:22,531 - I don't know if you remember the point where Trump said, 461 00:20:22,566 --> 00:20:24,257 "Listen, don't pay attention to what you're seeing, 462 00:20:24,292 --> 00:20:26,121 "don't pay attention to what you're hearing." 463 00:20:26,155 --> 00:20:28,399 - What you're seeing and what you're reading 464 00:20:28,434 --> 00:20:31,091 is not what's happening. 465 00:20:31,126 --> 00:20:32,955 - And it's interesting because as human beings 466 00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:34,371 we're actually vulnerable to this. 467 00:20:34,405 --> 00:20:36,269 There's a famous experience in social psychology 468 00:20:36,304 --> 00:20:38,237 called the Asch Experiment. 469 00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:41,101 The Asch Experiment is they show lines on a screen, 470 00:20:41,136 --> 00:20:43,242 one is clearly longer than the other 471 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,278 and they ask them which line is longer 472 00:20:45,313 --> 00:20:48,454 and they get it correct 100% of the time. 473 00:20:48,488 --> 00:20:49,903 - That's two. 474 00:20:49,938 --> 00:20:51,595 - Then you bring in four confederates 475 00:20:51,629 --> 00:20:53,113 who work for the experimenter 476 00:20:53,148 --> 00:20:56,185 but you pretend they're also in the study as subjects 477 00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:59,292 and they all say that the shorter line is longer. 478 00:20:59,327 --> 00:21:00,638 - [Man] Three. 479 00:21:00,673 --> 00:21:01,501 - [Three] Three. 480 00:21:02,778 --> 00:21:07,714 - Three. 481 00:21:09,337 --> 00:21:10,786 - Three? 482 00:21:10,821 --> 00:21:12,788 - 50% of the time the person will reverse themselves 483 00:21:12,823 --> 00:21:16,275 and say, "You're right, the shorter line is the longer one." 484 00:21:16,309 --> 00:21:19,105 We're very subject to the influence, 485 00:21:19,139 --> 00:21:22,211 our reality testing is very subject to the influence 486 00:21:22,246 --> 00:21:23,489 of social pressures. 487 00:21:23,523 --> 00:21:25,180 So when he does these things 488 00:21:25,214 --> 00:21:28,045 that are blatantly destructive and disordered 489 00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:30,150 and yet people act as if they're normal 490 00:21:30,185 --> 00:21:32,946 and they poo-poo these observations, 491 00:21:32,981 --> 00:21:36,053 eventually we begin to quest ourselves and think, 492 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:37,330 "Oh, maybe I'm wrong. 493 00:21:37,365 --> 00:21:39,988 "Maybe it actually is normal." 494 00:21:40,022 --> 00:21:42,542 - What has been so disturbing 495 00:21:42,577 --> 00:21:45,649 is that we've discovered, at least some of us, 496 00:21:45,683 --> 00:21:46,857 that it's much quicker 497 00:21:46,891 --> 00:21:49,687 to demolish a building than to build one 498 00:21:49,722 --> 00:21:51,240 and Trump understands that 499 00:21:51,275 --> 00:21:55,003 and I think he can demolish a lot of our faith as a nation 500 00:21:55,037 --> 00:21:56,349 in our institutions, 501 00:21:56,384 --> 00:21:59,525 he can demolish the effectiveness of institutions, 502 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:04,530 he can certainly psychologically confuse and gaslight people 503 00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:08,499 like nobody's business. 504 00:22:10,708 --> 00:22:11,571 [cameras clicking] 505 00:22:11,606 --> 00:22:12,710 - Thank you. 506 00:22:12,745 --> 00:22:14,091 Thank you very much. 507 00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:16,714 I said during the transition, I'll say it up here, 508 00:22:16,749 --> 00:22:18,751 I think there's been, at times, 509 00:22:18,785 --> 00:22:21,547 a disconnect between the way we see the president 510 00:22:21,581 --> 00:22:23,411 and how much we love the president 511 00:22:23,445 --> 00:22:26,275 and the way some of you perhaps see the president. 512 00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:28,347 I certainly see the American probably see the president 513 00:22:28,381 --> 00:22:29,589 the way I do, 514 00:22:29,624 --> 00:22:31,764 but we wanna get that message out there 515 00:22:31,798 --> 00:22:33,938 and to use a Wall Street expression, 516 00:22:33,973 --> 00:22:35,871 there might be an arbitrage spread 517 00:22:35,906 --> 00:22:38,011 between how well we are doing 518 00:22:38,046 --> 00:22:39,668 and how well some of you guys think we're doing 519 00:22:39,703 --> 00:22:41,498 and we're gonna work hard to close that spread. 520 00:22:41,532 --> 00:22:43,327 My name's Anthony Scaramucci. 521 00:22:44,466 --> 00:22:45,674 I spent 11 days in the White House 522 00:22:45,709 --> 00:22:47,883 as the president's Communications Director. 523 00:22:48,884 --> 00:22:51,508 Trump is wickedly smart. 524 00:22:51,542 --> 00:22:55,028 The guy made it to the American presidency, he's not stupid. 525 00:22:55,063 --> 00:22:58,031 You can hate Trump 'cause he says assholeish things, okay? 526 00:22:58,066 --> 00:23:01,380 And he's an obnoxious guy at times, 527 00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:04,866 but what you're missing is that he's now a reflection 528 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:07,213 of the cultural zeitgeist, 529 00:23:07,247 --> 00:23:09,871 he's an avatar of that anger. 530 00:23:09,905 --> 00:23:12,460 So when he's lighting people up on Twitter, 531 00:23:12,494 --> 00:23:14,151 there's a very large group of people in the United States 532 00:23:14,185 --> 00:23:16,567 that are actually giggling and they enjoy it. 533 00:23:17,741 --> 00:23:18,983 - [Interviewer] What are you earliest memories 534 00:23:19,018 --> 00:23:20,468 of Donald Trump? 535 00:23:20,502 --> 00:23:23,194 - My earliest memories of Donald Trump are actually 1983, 536 00:23:24,748 --> 00:23:28,268 during the Christmas season I visited the Trump Tower. 537 00:23:29,615 --> 00:23:31,133 - [Narrator] The Trump Tower when it's completed, 538 00:23:31,168 --> 00:23:33,722 will be $400 million worth of high-priced apartments, 539 00:23:33,757 --> 00:23:36,000 commercial space and boutiques. 540 00:23:36,035 --> 00:23:37,450 - What's happened is phenomenal. 541 00:23:37,485 --> 00:23:39,107 I've never seen anything to the extent 542 00:23:39,141 --> 00:23:40,349 that I have in New York. 543 00:23:40,384 --> 00:23:42,006 It now, from a real estate standpoint, 544 00:23:42,041 --> 00:23:44,526 has probably become the hottest city in the world. 545 00:23:46,632 --> 00:23:49,082 - That building was a brand new building 546 00:23:49,117 --> 00:23:50,739 in the center of New York 547 00:23:50,774 --> 00:23:53,673 and it was a lot of publicity and fanfare. 548 00:23:53,708 --> 00:23:56,987 It's got brass and a ton of pink marble 549 00:23:57,021 --> 00:23:59,092 and it's a modern structure, 550 00:23:59,127 --> 00:24:01,336 and he did a great job marketing it. 551 00:24:01,370 --> 00:24:02,820 He sold out the condominiums 552 00:24:02,855 --> 00:24:05,927 and he built for himself a triplex 553 00:24:05,961 --> 00:24:09,309 which literally looks like Louis XIV smoked crystal meth 554 00:24:09,344 --> 00:24:10,518 and then decorated it for him. 555 00:24:10,552 --> 00:24:12,485 I mean, it's ridiculous. 556 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,762 Walk into his office, 557 00:24:13,797 --> 00:24:16,316 he had a ton of pictures of himself on the wall, 558 00:24:16,351 --> 00:24:19,250 ton of magazine covers and all that sort of stuff. 559 00:24:21,045 --> 00:24:23,220 I read "The Art of the Deal" when I was in law school 560 00:24:23,254 --> 00:24:24,497 when it first came out, 561 00:24:24,532 --> 00:24:27,569 and I said, "Okay, this guy's got it goin' on." 562 00:24:28,881 --> 00:24:30,365 - Ladies and gentlemen, 563 00:24:30,399 --> 00:24:32,712 please welcome the author of this book right here, 564 00:24:32,747 --> 00:24:35,543 "Trump: The Art of the Deal", Donald J. Trump. 565 00:24:35,577 --> 00:24:37,959 [audience applauding] 566 00:24:37,993 --> 00:24:39,201 At the beginning of the show, 567 00:24:39,236 --> 00:24:40,548 I said you either love him or you hate him. 568 00:24:40,582 --> 00:24:42,411 Now, do you find that that's true 569 00:24:42,446 --> 00:24:44,724 or does everybody love you or does everybody hate you? 570 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:46,208 - No, most people love me 571 00:24:46,243 --> 00:24:48,625 and a few really have great distaste for me, David. 572 00:24:48,659 --> 00:24:51,041 - And why is it that those people, that few, 573 00:24:51,075 --> 00:24:52,387 would not care for you? 574 00:24:52,421 --> 00:24:53,353 Because you're so successful? - I can't imagine. 575 00:24:53,388 --> 00:24:54,803 No, no, I don't think so. 576 00:24:54,838 --> 00:24:57,012 It's just I sort of speak my mind a little bit, 577 00:24:57,047 --> 00:24:58,393 a little bit like you in that respect. 578 00:24:58,427 --> 00:24:59,739 - Yeah. - A little bit like you. 579 00:24:59,774 --> 00:25:00,706 - A little bit like me. 580 00:25:00,740 --> 00:25:01,638 - Not too much, hopefully. 581 00:25:01,672 --> 00:25:02,880 - What were you like as a kid? 582 00:25:02,915 --> 00:25:04,399 - Very normal in a lot of respects, 583 00:25:04,433 --> 00:25:06,746 but a very solid child. 584 00:25:06,781 --> 00:25:08,507 - [John] He grew up in Queens. 585 00:25:08,541 --> 00:25:12,234 His father was making good money as he was being raised. 586 00:25:12,269 --> 00:25:15,755 He built a lot of lower middle-income housing 587 00:25:15,790 --> 00:25:17,723 on the border of Brooklyn and Queens. 588 00:25:19,414 --> 00:25:22,037 - Fred Trump was a successful businessman, 589 00:25:22,072 --> 00:25:25,524 he made a lot of money and he was smart at what he did. 590 00:25:26,973 --> 00:25:31,219 However, Fred Trump was a dishonest, crooked guy, 591 00:25:31,253 --> 00:25:34,291 who stole from the federal government, 592 00:25:34,325 --> 00:25:35,948 who wouldn't allow black people 593 00:25:35,982 --> 00:25:38,606 to move into his apartments. 594 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,953 His father said, "You've got to be a killer. 595 00:25:40,987 --> 00:25:44,059 "You've gotta be king, you've gotta be tough," 596 00:25:44,094 --> 00:25:46,441 and he took that in. 597 00:25:46,475 --> 00:25:48,616 - Is what you do something you've always wanted to do? 598 00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:50,687 I know you're father was and still is 599 00:25:50,721 --> 00:25:51,929 a real estate developer. 600 00:25:51,964 --> 00:25:53,137 - My father was in real estate business 601 00:25:53,172 --> 00:25:56,106 and I've been in that and other businesses 602 00:25:56,140 --> 00:25:57,314 and different things. 603 00:25:58,246 --> 00:25:59,109 I like what I'm doing. 604 00:25:59,143 --> 00:26:00,213 I just enjoy what I'm doing. 605 00:26:00,248 --> 00:26:01,801 I love the real estate business. 606 00:26:01,836 --> 00:26:04,321 I learned a lot from my father, more than anything else, 607 00:26:04,355 --> 00:26:05,218 I learned a lot. 608 00:26:07,911 --> 00:26:10,603 - He wanted to make a name for himself 609 00:26:10,638 --> 00:26:12,881 and he believed early on his career 610 00:26:12,916 --> 00:26:14,573 that having a lot of publicity 611 00:26:14,607 --> 00:26:16,644 and a lot of profile was gonna be good 612 00:26:16,678 --> 00:26:19,612 for the sales and marketing of his apartment buildings 613 00:26:19,647 --> 00:26:21,821 and condominiums and things that he was doing, 614 00:26:21,856 --> 00:26:25,100 but he also wanted to have a unique celebrity persona 615 00:26:25,135 --> 00:26:28,069 and so Howard Stern represented that for him. 616 00:26:28,103 --> 00:26:30,623 [funky music] 617 00:26:32,107 --> 00:26:33,833 - You once said that the best way to treat a woman 618 00:26:33,868 --> 00:26:35,317 is to treat her like doody. 619 00:26:35,352 --> 00:26:36,905 - No, I never said that - You never did? 620 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:38,079 - But it was attributed to me. 621 00:26:38,113 --> 00:26:39,632 - So you never did say that? 622 00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:41,634 - No, I never said that but it was attributed to me. 623 00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:44,188 - [Howard] I see, so, you treat women with respect? 624 00:26:44,223 --> 00:26:45,120 - I can't say that either. 625 00:26:45,155 --> 00:26:46,363 - All right, good, all right. 626 00:26:46,397 --> 00:26:47,191 Somewhere in between. 627 00:26:47,226 --> 00:26:48,434 - [Donald] I do. 628 00:26:48,468 --> 00:26:49,608 I treat women with great respect. 629 00:26:49,642 --> 00:26:51,161 - Treat women somewhere in between respect 630 00:26:51,195 --> 00:26:52,438 and doo-doo. 631 00:26:52,472 --> 00:26:55,683 - My initial impressions of Donald Trump, 632 00:26:55,717 --> 00:26:58,547 like everybody else, I was starstruck. 633 00:26:58,582 --> 00:27:03,483 Back then, speaking about women that way 634 00:27:03,518 --> 00:27:05,520 it was more the norm. 635 00:27:05,554 --> 00:27:06,694 - Where's Marla go? 636 00:27:06,728 --> 00:27:07,971 - I think we have to put Marla right up here. 637 00:27:08,005 --> 00:27:09,041 - Come on, let's do that. 638 00:27:09,075 --> 00:27:10,801 Let's take down Frederique. 639 00:27:10,836 --> 00:27:12,803 - I went to a fundraiser 640 00:27:12,838 --> 00:27:17,808 right after Ivana and Donald divorced 641 00:27:17,843 --> 00:27:22,848 so I was excited that he was there. 642 00:27:23,711 --> 00:27:25,851 I went up to him and I said, 643 00:27:25,885 --> 00:27:30,303 "Hello, I'm a huge Howard Stern fan 644 00:27:30,338 --> 00:27:33,686 "and I wanted to introduce myself." 645 00:27:33,721 --> 00:27:38,346 And he said, "Why would I speak to you 646 00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:40,693 "when there's so many beautiful women here? 647 00:27:40,728 --> 00:27:42,868 "I wouldn't even let you suck my dick." 648 00:27:43,731 --> 00:27:45,387 [gaping music] 649 00:27:45,422 --> 00:27:46,837 - One of the problems here 650 00:27:46,872 --> 00:27:50,254 is that Donald Trump doesn't have empathy 651 00:27:50,289 --> 00:27:51,704 and that's not a modest statement, 652 00:27:51,739 --> 00:27:54,051 he literally has no empathy. 653 00:27:54,086 --> 00:27:58,573 He does not feel emotions like care and-- 654 00:27:59,747 --> 00:28:01,162 - [News Anchor] He's a sociopath? 655 00:28:01,196 --> 00:28:04,165 - Well, as I've said since 2016 in The New Yorker 656 00:28:04,199 --> 00:28:05,822 when he started to run for president, 657 00:28:05,856 --> 00:28:07,858 yes, he is a sociopath. 658 00:28:07,893 --> 00:28:09,342 There is no question. 659 00:28:09,377 --> 00:28:11,897 He's a sociopath meaning he neither has a conscience 660 00:28:11,931 --> 00:28:13,174 nor does he have a heart. 661 00:28:13,208 --> 00:28:14,727 - You make it sound like "Blade Runner" 662 00:28:14,762 --> 00:28:18,213 when the replicant knows you've found him out 663 00:28:18,248 --> 00:28:19,628 and he doesn't feel anything anyway. 664 00:28:19,663 --> 00:28:21,320 - He doesn't feel anything. 665 00:28:22,252 --> 00:28:23,460 [gun firing] 666 00:28:23,494 --> 00:28:25,565 - Empathy is a normal human trait, 667 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,914 it's actually normal in all mammals. 668 00:28:28,948 --> 00:28:32,434 It starts in childhood with a parent and a child 669 00:28:32,469 --> 00:28:34,782 and it continues throughout society, 670 00:28:34,816 --> 00:28:36,300 it's what glues people together 671 00:28:36,335 --> 00:28:39,131 instead of just fighting against each other. 672 00:28:39,165 --> 00:28:43,756 Almost everybody has empathy, but not everybody. 673 00:28:43,791 --> 00:28:45,482 People who don't have empathy 674 00:28:45,516 --> 00:28:49,072 are the people that we call sociopaths or psychopaths. 675 00:28:50,452 --> 00:28:53,490 - That sounds like a very destructive business philosophy. 676 00:28:53,524 --> 00:28:55,561 - They often were treated cruelly. 677 00:28:55,595 --> 00:28:58,150 They were treated without empathy themselves. 678 00:28:58,184 --> 00:29:00,946 - You talk in your book about getting even, 679 00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:02,671 the importance of getting even. 680 00:29:02,706 --> 00:29:04,501 Is revenge sweet? 681 00:29:04,535 --> 00:29:06,503 - I believe strongly in getting even. 682 00:29:06,537 --> 00:29:07,987 If somebody has hurt you, 683 00:29:08,022 --> 00:29:09,817 if somebody has gone out of their way to hurt you, 684 00:29:09,851 --> 00:29:11,750 I think that if you have the opportunity 685 00:29:11,784 --> 00:29:13,406 you should certainly go out of your way 686 00:29:13,441 --> 00:29:14,925 to do a number on them 687 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,790 and I've had more criticism about that one statement 688 00:29:17,825 --> 00:29:19,758 in my book than any other statement, 689 00:29:19,792 --> 00:29:22,243 the clergy has called, the ministers, 690 00:29:22,277 --> 00:29:24,003 the priests, the rabbis, 691 00:29:24,038 --> 00:29:26,247 they've all said, "What a terrible thing to say, 692 00:29:26,281 --> 00:29:27,696 "that's against our teachings." 693 00:29:27,731 --> 00:29:29,802 I just believe it, I believe in an eye for an eye. 694 00:29:29,837 --> 00:29:32,253 - If you don't have normal empathy, 695 00:29:32,287 --> 00:29:36,188 you're going to mistreat people because they don't matter, 696 00:29:36,222 --> 00:29:38,086 there's an abscense of loyalty. 697 00:29:38,121 --> 00:29:40,709 The absence of loyalty is a sign 698 00:29:40,744 --> 00:29:42,781 of anti-social personality disorder. 699 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:47,440 Loyalty at its best means I care about this person, 700 00:29:47,475 --> 00:29:48,476 I value this person, 701 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:50,512 so I will stick by this person. 702 00:29:50,547 --> 00:29:52,652 If you have a person without empathy, 703 00:29:52,687 --> 00:29:55,034 what you find is that loyalty disappears 704 00:29:55,069 --> 00:29:58,279 as soon as the other person crosses them. 705 00:29:58,313 --> 00:30:01,385 As soon as somebody says, "I'm not with you anymore," 706 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:03,180 or, "I disagree," 707 00:30:03,215 --> 00:30:06,218 it flips from you are the greatest person 708 00:30:06,252 --> 00:30:09,324 to you are a horrible person, you are a worthless person, 709 00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:12,258 and I will attack you, I will destroy you. 710 00:30:13,708 --> 00:30:14,847 - Some of the people that were most loyal to me 711 00:30:14,882 --> 00:30:16,573 are people that I didn't think would be, 712 00:30:16,607 --> 00:30:18,333 some of the people that were least loyal to me 713 00:30:18,368 --> 00:30:19,541 are people that are-- - You gotta. 714 00:30:19,576 --> 00:30:21,026 - I think I would've treated 'em differently, 715 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:22,510 I think I would've treated different groups differently, 716 00:30:22,544 --> 00:30:25,858 I would've wiped the floor with the guys weren't loyal, 717 00:30:25,893 --> 00:30:27,756 which I will now do which is great. 718 00:30:27,791 --> 00:30:29,517 You know I love getting even with people but, 719 00:30:29,551 --> 00:30:31,243 - You're gonna get even with some people 720 00:30:31,277 --> 00:30:33,176 because they-- - Yeah, 721 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:34,694 if given the opportunity, 722 00:30:34,729 --> 00:30:36,696 I will get even with some people that were disloyal to me. 723 00:30:36,731 --> 00:30:38,871 - Here comes one of the things they say about you 724 00:30:38,906 --> 00:30:42,530 is that there ticks within you a vindictiveness. 725 00:30:42,564 --> 00:30:44,187 - The people who climb to the top 726 00:30:44,221 --> 00:30:46,189 by squashing other people, 727 00:30:46,223 --> 00:30:49,192 those are what we call a successful sociopath. 728 00:30:49,226 --> 00:30:53,403 Sociopaths can be successful because they are conmen. 729 00:30:53,437 --> 00:30:54,922 If you're a conman, 730 00:30:54,956 --> 00:30:57,269 you're convincing them that you are much better, greater, 731 00:30:57,303 --> 00:31:00,030 more caring, more honest than you are. 732 00:31:02,032 --> 00:31:04,276 - My name's Rick Reilly, I'm a golf writer, 733 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:07,900 and I've known Trump for 35 years maybe. 734 00:31:07,935 --> 00:31:10,558 [upbeat music] 735 00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:15,908 Trump is among our best golfing presidents. 736 00:31:15,943 --> 00:31:17,220 - [Crowd Member] Oh, nice. 737 00:31:17,254 --> 00:31:19,567 - For a 72-year-old guy, Trump is a good golfer. 738 00:31:19,601 --> 00:31:23,364 He's got a really good, powerful move through the ball 739 00:31:23,398 --> 00:31:27,299 and he hits it a long way and his putting is good, 740 00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:30,267 he's a very wristy sort of old-school putter. 741 00:31:30,302 --> 00:31:33,477 Cheating in golf at all is completely wrong 742 00:31:33,512 --> 00:31:35,617 because it's the easiest sport to cheat at. 743 00:31:35,652 --> 00:31:37,792 There's no refs, there's no umps. 744 00:31:37,826 --> 00:31:40,208 You could cheat every shot if you wanted 745 00:31:40,243 --> 00:31:43,142 but it reveals your character that you don't, 746 00:31:43,177 --> 00:31:45,489 or it reveals your character that you do 747 00:31:45,524 --> 00:31:46,939 and he cheats all the time. 748 00:31:46,974 --> 00:31:48,492 - I actually played golf with him 749 00:31:48,527 --> 00:31:51,254 with Anthony Anderson one day. 750 00:31:51,288 --> 00:31:52,496 - [Seth] Gotcha. 751 00:31:52,531 --> 00:31:53,773 - And we were all playing together 752 00:31:53,808 --> 00:31:55,327 and we clearly saw him hit a ball, hook a ball, 753 00:31:55,361 --> 00:31:58,054 into a lake at Trump National in Jersey 754 00:31:58,088 --> 00:32:00,953 and his caddy told him he found it. 755 00:32:00,988 --> 00:32:03,611 [Seth laughs] 756 00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:07,097 - People don't know this but he jerry rigs his golf carts 757 00:32:07,132 --> 00:32:08,409 to go really fast. 758 00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:09,686 He has somebody do that. 759 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,240 Only one golf cart at every course he owns 760 00:32:12,275 --> 00:32:14,622 goes about 30 miles an hour and that's his, 761 00:32:14,656 --> 00:32:15,968 it's number one, 762 00:32:16,003 --> 00:32:18,660 everyone else goes about 15 to 18 miles per hour. 763 00:32:18,695 --> 00:32:21,180 So he can hit the ball, zip he's out, 764 00:32:21,215 --> 00:32:22,699 and you're still, "Hey, where's Trump?" 765 00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:23,942 You hit, you hit. 766 00:32:23,976 --> 00:32:26,013 By then he can kick the ball, move the ball, 767 00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:27,980 take it out of lakes, whatever. 768 00:32:28,015 --> 00:32:29,533 There's your ball. 769 00:32:29,568 --> 00:32:31,984 Usually, you would put a mark down and pick up the ball. 770 00:32:32,019 --> 00:32:35,160 What he does, he secretly puts the marker 771 00:32:35,194 --> 00:32:37,024 on the end of the putter 772 00:32:37,058 --> 00:32:38,784 and then he looks like he's marking it 773 00:32:38,818 --> 00:32:41,442 but really now the mark is three feet closer, 774 00:32:41,476 --> 00:32:43,168 that's a way easier putt. 775 00:32:43,202 --> 00:32:45,722 He tried to cheat Tiger Woods in a round of golf once, 776 00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:47,620 Tiger freaking Woods. 777 00:32:47,655 --> 00:32:49,001 He's off to the right. 778 00:32:49,036 --> 00:32:50,969 He's playing against Tiger Woods. 779 00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:52,901 They each have a partner. 780 00:32:52,936 --> 00:32:57,630 He chokes one flat into the water, splash. 781 00:32:57,665 --> 00:32:58,804 He says to his partner, 782 00:32:58,838 --> 00:33:00,185 "Throw me another one, they didn't see." 783 00:33:00,219 --> 00:33:02,221 I'm like, "That's Tiger Woods." 784 00:33:02,256 --> 00:33:03,636 - Tiger, we are inspired 785 00:33:03,671 --> 00:33:07,019 by everything you have become and attained. 786 00:33:07,054 --> 00:33:09,332 The job you've done is incredible. 787 00:33:09,366 --> 00:33:12,024 - He's telling people he's won club championships 788 00:33:12,059 --> 00:33:14,130 that he didn't even play in. 789 00:33:14,164 --> 00:33:15,476 He won a club championship 790 00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:18,513 that's being played in Bedminster, New Jersey, 791 00:33:18,548 --> 00:33:20,377 when he was playing in Philadelphia 792 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,001 and he called in and said, 793 00:33:23,035 --> 00:33:25,348 "Hey, what won the club championship today?" 794 00:33:25,382 --> 00:33:29,524 And the guy goes, "Ah, 75, Joe Shmoe won it." 795 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:33,080 "Oh, I shot 73 today, make me the champion." 796 00:33:33,114 --> 00:33:35,358 And the pro's like, "Ha, what?" 797 00:33:35,392 --> 00:33:37,532 "Yeah, make me the champion. 798 00:33:37,567 --> 00:33:39,534 "I played better here today." 799 00:33:39,569 --> 00:33:42,020 So, Joe Shmoe's name comes off the wall, 800 00:33:42,054 --> 00:33:44,056 maybe one of the great moments of his life 801 00:33:44,091 --> 00:33:46,058 and Trump's name goes up 802 00:33:46,093 --> 00:33:48,267 and this has happened over and over again. 803 00:33:48,302 --> 00:33:51,960 And then he won at least six or seven times 804 00:33:51,995 --> 00:33:53,686 tournaments where he was the only guy 805 00:33:53,721 --> 00:33:55,205 playing in the tournament. 806 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,069 He'll buy a new golf course, 807 00:33:57,104 --> 00:33:59,416 play the first round by himself and Melania, 808 00:33:59,451 --> 00:34:02,247 and unless Melania gets hot, he's gonna be the winner 809 00:34:02,281 --> 00:34:04,180 and so if you go to any of his courses 810 00:34:04,214 --> 00:34:06,734 his first few years it's just him 811 00:34:06,768 --> 00:34:08,115 because no one else played. 812 00:34:09,461 --> 00:34:12,119 As a writer, I love Donald Trump. 813 00:34:13,292 --> 00:34:16,123 I loved him 'cause he would say anything. 814 00:34:16,157 --> 00:34:17,779 He was like, "Yeah, I banged Marilyn Monroe 815 00:34:17,814 --> 00:34:19,264 "and I punched out Sinatra." 816 00:34:19,298 --> 00:34:21,128 And we're like, "Yeah, what else you got?" 817 00:34:21,162 --> 00:34:22,715 Because he'd say anything. 818 00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:25,649 But as an American, I don't like him at all. 819 00:34:25,684 --> 00:34:27,099 He terrifies me. 820 00:34:27,134 --> 00:34:28,549 If he's gonna cheat at golf, 821 00:34:28,583 --> 00:34:30,482 you don't think he's gonna cheat on his taxes? 822 00:34:30,516 --> 00:34:32,070 You don't think he's gonna cheat on his wives? 823 00:34:32,104 --> 00:34:33,795 You don't think he's gonna cheat to win an election? 824 00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:36,108 You don't think he's gonna cheat to stop an investigation? 825 00:34:36,143 --> 00:34:38,421 You don't think he's gonna cheat to break rules, 826 00:34:38,455 --> 00:34:40,492 to get information from foreign countries? 827 00:34:40,526 --> 00:34:42,494 My God, he just admitted he does it. 828 00:34:47,015 --> 00:34:48,155 - I'm Bill Kristol. 829 00:34:48,189 --> 00:34:49,570 I came to Washington over 30 years ago 830 00:34:49,604 --> 00:34:50,985 to work in the Reagan Administration. 831 00:34:51,019 --> 00:34:52,504 I was Chief of Staff to the Vice President 832 00:34:52,538 --> 00:34:54,471 in the George H.W. Bush White House 833 00:34:54,506 --> 00:34:56,024 so I worked in government, 834 00:34:56,059 --> 00:34:57,750 worked in some Republican politics, 835 00:34:57,785 --> 00:35:00,926 edited The Weekly Standard for a little over two decades. 836 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,410 - I'm Richard Painter. 837 00:35:02,445 --> 00:35:05,241 I'm a law professor at the University of Minnesota. 838 00:35:05,275 --> 00:35:07,001 I was the Chief White House Ethics Lawyer 839 00:35:07,035 --> 00:35:08,796 for President George W. Bush. 840 00:35:10,211 --> 00:35:13,387 Most of my life I was in the Republican party. 841 00:35:15,389 --> 00:35:18,046 - I'm Malcom Nance, a former U.S. Intelligence officer. 842 00:35:18,081 --> 00:35:20,808 Started out actually in cryptology 843 00:35:20,842 --> 00:35:22,189 and sort of an expert 844 00:35:22,223 --> 00:35:25,261 in all things related to foreign intelligence operations, 845 00:35:25,295 --> 00:35:29,196 counterterrorism, and now Russian intelligence activities 846 00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:30,335 in the United States. 847 00:35:32,578 --> 00:35:33,683 - What a great looking group. 848 00:35:33,717 --> 00:35:37,204 We're taking some pictures? 849 00:35:37,238 --> 00:35:40,172 - We can just move right along. 850 00:35:40,207 --> 00:35:43,175 - The traits that are important in a leader vary 851 00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:45,798 but there are some absolute constants 852 00:35:45,833 --> 00:35:48,698 and the way to look at them is the titles 853 00:35:48,732 --> 00:35:53,737 and the core values that we see for each armed service, 854 00:35:55,049 --> 00:35:58,086 honor, courage, commitment, country, duty, 855 00:35:58,121 --> 00:36:01,193 service above self, excellence in all that we do, 856 00:36:01,228 --> 00:36:03,920 always faithful, always prepared. 857 00:36:03,954 --> 00:36:06,233 These are some of the core values 858 00:36:06,267 --> 00:36:09,650 that we entrust in our national military leaders 859 00:36:09,684 --> 00:36:11,686 and those should be the same core values 860 00:36:11,721 --> 00:36:14,344 that we should have in our political leaders. 861 00:36:14,379 --> 00:36:15,759 - To be a good leader, 862 00:36:15,794 --> 00:36:17,934 a person has to first of all recognize 863 00:36:17,968 --> 00:36:22,214 that other people have rights and individualities 864 00:36:22,249 --> 00:36:24,251 that you need to take into account. 865 00:36:24,285 --> 00:36:27,599 You appreciate who they are and what's important to them. 866 00:36:27,633 --> 00:36:29,670 The problem arises in leadership 867 00:36:29,704 --> 00:36:32,397 when you have a person who does not appreciate 868 00:36:32,431 --> 00:36:35,710 that others are there as independent folks 869 00:36:35,745 --> 00:36:37,298 but who are there to serve you. 870 00:36:38,472 --> 00:36:41,199 - We expect leaders to bring people together, 871 00:36:41,233 --> 00:36:45,375 to try to unify the country as best they can. 872 00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:47,205 The number of attacks that this president 873 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,036 is making on Twitter are astronomical, 874 00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:54,039 and then the attacks on the media on top of that. 875 00:36:54,073 --> 00:36:56,628 - I've never really liked the Trump is an idiot, 876 00:36:56,662 --> 00:37:00,942 Trump is a buffoon aspect of the anti-Trump rhetoric. 877 00:37:00,977 --> 00:37:03,462 I think it does diminish more than it should 878 00:37:03,497 --> 00:37:05,775 some of the real dangers he poses. 879 00:37:07,673 --> 00:37:10,124 - [Interviewer] Do you think Donald Trump is fit to serve 880 00:37:10,158 --> 00:37:11,608 as Commander in Chief? 881 00:37:11,643 --> 00:37:13,265 - No, he's not fit to serve, 882 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,716 I think either by character or judgment, 883 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:17,476 I don't agree with his policies, 884 00:37:17,511 --> 00:37:18,926 I don't think he has much experience, 885 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,721 he doesn't know how government works 886 00:37:20,755 --> 00:37:24,483 but that can all be tolerated or survived 887 00:37:24,518 --> 00:37:28,729 but in terms of his just basic character and judgment, 888 00:37:28,763 --> 00:37:30,972 his basic sense of putting the country first, 889 00:37:31,007 --> 00:37:33,009 at least in key moments, 890 00:37:33,043 --> 00:37:36,150 every politician has moments where he cuts corners 891 00:37:36,184 --> 00:37:38,497 and watches out for himself or herself 892 00:37:40,016 --> 00:37:41,293 but Trump is the opposite. 893 00:37:42,501 --> 00:37:43,985 I think it's a miracle when he actually seems 894 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:46,333 not to simply put his own narrow interests first, 895 00:37:46,367 --> 00:37:49,163 and the recklessness, and the demagoguery, 896 00:37:49,197 --> 00:37:54,202 so undercuts democratic norms and constitutional processes 897 00:37:55,342 --> 00:37:56,343 that it's dangerous to the country. 898 00:37:58,345 --> 00:37:59,656 - Why do they hate his guts? 899 00:37:59,691 --> 00:38:01,140 They hate his guts 900 00:38:01,175 --> 00:38:04,005 because he represents a threat to their status quo. 901 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,593 It's a very weird salad 902 00:38:05,628 --> 00:38:07,354 because it doesn't fit in the box 903 00:38:07,388 --> 00:38:10,460 of the traditional Republican establishment 904 00:38:10,495 --> 00:38:12,497 or the Democratic Party. 905 00:38:12,531 --> 00:38:14,533 I mean, he is a reflection 906 00:38:14,568 --> 00:38:17,122 of our politically correct society. 907 00:38:17,156 --> 00:38:19,193 If I'm not allowed to say what I'm thinking 908 00:38:19,227 --> 00:38:21,160 and everyone's got me in a tight box, 909 00:38:21,195 --> 00:38:24,543 when I go into the voting booth I'm gonna vote for him. 910 00:38:24,578 --> 00:38:27,650 The more politically correct the society is, 911 00:38:27,684 --> 00:38:29,721 the greater the reaction formation is 912 00:38:29,755 --> 00:38:31,723 of the orange man comes to town. 913 00:38:38,523 --> 00:38:40,939 - Why I support Trump is pretty easy. 914 00:38:42,423 --> 00:38:46,565 He is the only president in the last probably 40 years 915 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,430 that has been for the people. 916 00:38:54,228 --> 00:38:57,404 - I had an epiphany at my first Trump rally. 917 00:38:57,438 --> 00:39:00,890 I tell people that it was a reconnection to my life 918 00:39:00,924 --> 00:39:04,238 because I grew up in a blue-collar situation 919 00:39:04,272 --> 00:39:06,758 and I hustled my way to some dough, 920 00:39:06,792 --> 00:39:08,829 went to Tufts and Harvard Law School, 921 00:39:08,863 --> 00:39:10,175 I worked at Goldman, 922 00:39:10,209 --> 00:39:12,384 built two successful hedge fund businesses, 923 00:39:12,419 --> 00:39:14,766 started to become independently wealthy 924 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,112 and then what ends up happening 925 00:39:16,146 --> 00:39:18,286 is you pick up the collective biases 926 00:39:18,321 --> 00:39:19,771 of the people around you 927 00:39:19,805 --> 00:39:22,014 and so you don't really have a good ear to the ground. 928 00:39:22,049 --> 00:39:24,431 And so when I got to the first Trump rally, 929 00:39:24,465 --> 00:39:26,743 I crossed the security perimeter, 930 00:39:26,778 --> 00:39:28,296 went in and started talking to people, 931 00:39:28,331 --> 00:39:29,712 and I was like, "Oh, my God, 932 00:39:31,092 --> 00:39:33,025 "Mr. Trump is talking to the people I grew up with." 933 00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:35,752 And these are people that economically desperate. 934 00:39:35,787 --> 00:39:39,860 We went from a economically middle class, 935 00:39:39,894 --> 00:39:41,033 and lower middle class, 936 00:39:41,068 --> 00:39:44,036 working class aspirational society 937 00:39:44,071 --> 00:39:47,868 to a desperational society in 35 years 938 00:39:47,902 --> 00:39:49,594 and I can explain what happened 939 00:39:49,628 --> 00:39:52,286 through the forces of trade and globalism 940 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,289 and our mistakes about repositioning manufacturing 941 00:39:55,323 --> 00:39:56,808 away from the United States, 942 00:39:56,842 --> 00:39:58,085 all of those things that we did, 943 00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,088 some of it accidental, some of it intentional, 944 00:40:01,122 --> 00:40:03,124 left a very large group of people 945 00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,092 feeling very, very desperate 946 00:40:05,126 --> 00:40:08,475 about their economic aspirations and their wellbeing 947 00:40:08,509 --> 00:40:11,443 and so that first Trump rally I was like, 948 00:40:11,478 --> 00:40:13,341 "Whoa, there's a lot of people out here 949 00:40:13,376 --> 00:40:15,758 "that are in a lot of pain and I missed it." 950 00:40:16,621 --> 00:40:18,795 They have economic anxiety 951 00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:22,281 and they are going to vote to reject the status quo, 952 00:40:23,144 --> 00:40:24,491 it's an anger-based vote 953 00:40:24,525 --> 00:40:28,943 and you have to work on policy solutions to fix that, 954 00:40:28,978 --> 00:40:29,979 you have to heal that 955 00:40:30,013 --> 00:40:32,257 because when you create a breach 956 00:40:32,291 --> 00:40:34,639 in the social fabric of the society, 957 00:40:34,673 --> 00:40:36,917 you create a systemic rise of populism 958 00:40:36,951 --> 00:40:38,470 and you get all of these unintended, 959 00:40:38,505 --> 00:40:41,162 or unexpected political outcomes. 960 00:40:41,197 --> 00:40:43,648 I didn't see it myself, but Trump saw it 961 00:40:43,682 --> 00:40:46,616 and so that's something you have to give him credit for. 962 00:40:46,651 --> 00:40:48,825 Here is a billionaire so you'd have to say 963 00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:50,827 this is a completely out of touch dude 964 00:40:50,862 --> 00:40:52,450 but he saw it, I did not see it 965 00:40:52,484 --> 00:40:54,003 and I grew up with it. 966 00:40:54,037 --> 00:40:57,144 [gentle piano music] 967 00:40:57,178 --> 00:40:59,491 So, take a step back. 968 00:40:59,526 --> 00:41:02,494 We racked up $18 trillion of debt, 969 00:41:02,529 --> 00:41:04,634 we killed a million people in the Middle East, 970 00:41:04,669 --> 00:41:07,844 we wounded 70,000 servicemen and women, 971 00:41:07,879 --> 00:41:10,157 7,000 servicemen and women have died 972 00:41:10,191 --> 00:41:13,367 and 22 are dying a day in the United States 973 00:41:13,401 --> 00:41:16,508 from suicide related to posttraumatic stress. 974 00:41:16,543 --> 00:41:20,512 Our educational system K-12 is completely uneven and broken, 975 00:41:20,547 --> 00:41:23,653 our infrastructure completely failed and broken, 976 00:41:23,688 --> 00:41:26,000 we have no industrial policy, 977 00:41:26,035 --> 00:41:27,657 there's nobody in the United States 978 00:41:27,692 --> 00:41:30,142 as a public servant that has a 10-year plan, 979 00:41:30,177 --> 00:41:31,903 they don't even have a five-year plan. 980 00:41:31,937 --> 00:41:35,631 So the American population is looking at the situation 981 00:41:35,665 --> 00:41:37,909 and saying, "Wait a minute, this is not working for me." 982 00:41:37,943 --> 00:41:39,566 The stock market crashes 983 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,223 and the very big bank is about to go out of business, 984 00:41:42,258 --> 00:41:45,157 the government sends them $1 trillion to protect them 985 00:41:45,192 --> 00:41:46,745 what about me? 986 00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:49,921 And so people feel that the system is rigged 987 00:41:49,955 --> 00:41:52,130 and the system is unfair towards them. 988 00:41:53,476 --> 00:41:56,928 You call these people deplorable, white ethnocentrics, 989 00:41:56,962 --> 00:41:58,826 white nationalists, 990 00:41:58,861 --> 00:42:02,934 whatever those knuckle dragging misnomers, 991 00:42:02,968 --> 00:42:06,731 those adjectives of attack on these people, 992 00:42:06,765 --> 00:42:07,801 they tune you out. 993 00:42:09,147 --> 00:42:10,700 You'd be better served 994 00:42:10,735 --> 00:42:13,600 going into those areas of the country and listening to them 995 00:42:13,634 --> 00:42:14,601 and say, "Hey, you know what? 996 00:42:14,635 --> 00:42:15,740 "I don't think you're a racist 997 00:42:15,774 --> 00:42:18,363 "or you're a white trash person, 998 00:42:18,397 --> 00:42:19,882 "I think you're a person 999 00:42:19,916 --> 00:42:21,435 "that really just wants your family to have a better life 1000 00:42:21,469 --> 00:42:22,574 "and as a public servant, 1001 00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:24,369 "I'm gonna try to come up with policies 1002 00:42:24,403 --> 00:42:25,543 "that help you do that." 1003 00:42:26,613 --> 00:42:28,028 David Axelrod said to me, 1004 00:42:28,062 --> 00:42:29,926 "Remember, Anthony, people will vote for somebody 1005 00:42:29,961 --> 00:42:31,445 "they won't like. 1006 00:42:31,479 --> 00:42:33,447 "They gave Richard Nixon a landslide, nobody liked him, 1007 00:42:33,481 --> 00:42:35,035 "they gave him a landslide. 1008 00:42:35,069 --> 00:42:36,554 "What they don't like doing 1009 00:42:36,588 --> 00:42:39,073 "is they don't like voting for people that dislike them." 1010 00:42:39,108 --> 00:42:40,592 See the difference? 1011 00:42:40,627 --> 00:42:42,594 So you're standing at a podium calling people deplorable, 1012 00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:45,045 they're like, "Okay, give my vote to the orange man. 1013 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:46,287 "Let's see how he does." 1014 00:42:49,256 --> 00:42:50,706 [crowd cheering] 1015 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:53,294 - I think Trump speaks to people in a really very good way. 1016 00:42:54,641 --> 00:42:58,230 He is appealing to people who are hurt, angry, 1017 00:42:58,265 --> 00:43:01,164 they feel bypassed, ignored, 1018 00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,304 and not taken seriously. 1019 00:43:04,478 --> 00:43:07,067 The problem is that he doesn't speak 1020 00:43:07,101 --> 00:43:09,794 to the humanity of the people who don't agree with him. 1021 00:43:11,934 --> 00:43:15,109 - They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, 1022 00:43:15,144 --> 00:43:16,628 they're rapists. 1023 00:43:16,663 --> 00:43:18,941 We're building that wall and it's going up very big. 1024 00:43:18,975 --> 00:43:21,806 [crowd cheering] 1025 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,808 - If you have any racism in you, 1026 00:43:23,842 --> 00:43:25,188 Trump's gonna let you bring it out. 1027 00:43:25,223 --> 00:43:26,845 I get to be a jerk again. 1028 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,986 I get to be 1956 America again. 1029 00:43:30,021 --> 00:43:34,094 - It's not a racist, this guy treats everybody like shit. 1030 00:43:34,128 --> 00:43:35,854 He's not a racist, okay? 1031 00:43:35,889 --> 00:43:37,753 It doesn't matter if you're black, white, 1032 00:43:37,787 --> 00:43:41,308 lesbian, transgender, he treats everybody the same. 1033 00:43:41,342 --> 00:43:44,967 He went to Elton John's wedding, he's an asshole, 1034 00:43:45,001 --> 00:43:47,314 that's different from being a racist. 1035 00:43:47,348 --> 00:43:48,695 He's obviously an asshole. 1036 00:43:50,213 --> 00:43:53,320 - It's so sad that so many people have let their worst side 1037 00:43:53,354 --> 00:43:55,011 come out through Trump. 1038 00:43:55,046 --> 00:43:56,979 - Get the fuck out of here! 1039 00:43:57,013 --> 00:43:58,774 Our country, motherfucker! 1040 00:43:58,808 --> 00:44:00,568 Our country! 1041 00:44:00,603 --> 00:44:03,675 Go fucking cook my burrito, bitch! 1042 00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:05,194 Trump! 1043 00:44:05,228 --> 00:44:06,402 I love Trump! 1044 00:44:06,436 --> 00:44:07,299 Fuck you! 1045 00:44:07,334 --> 00:44:08,680 - Are you racist? 1046 00:44:08,715 --> 00:44:12,580 - I am the least racist person that you have ever met. 1047 00:44:12,615 --> 00:44:15,031 I look at my African American over here. 1048 00:44:15,066 --> 00:44:16,377 Look at him. 1049 00:44:16,412 --> 00:44:17,551 Are you the greatest? 1050 00:44:17,585 --> 00:44:19,691 You know what I'm talking about? 1051 00:44:19,726 --> 00:44:22,314 I have a great relationship with the blacks. 1052 00:44:22,349 --> 00:44:24,558 I've always had a great relationship with the blacks. 1053 00:44:24,592 --> 00:44:25,801 I love the old days. 1054 00:44:25,835 --> 00:44:27,388 You know what they used to do to guys like that 1055 00:44:27,423 --> 00:44:28,873 when they're in a place like this? 1056 00:44:28,907 --> 00:44:31,565 They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. 1057 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:36,156 - I resisted for quite some time 1058 00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:38,848 the notion that he is racist. 1059 00:44:38,883 --> 00:44:42,231 It's more a function of his narcissism than anything else, 1060 00:44:42,265 --> 00:44:44,164 it's not really racism. 1061 00:44:44,198 --> 00:44:47,754 That was sort of the way I viewed Trump, 1062 00:44:47,788 --> 00:44:50,446 that he doesn't like them because they oppose him 1063 00:44:51,654 --> 00:44:52,862 and that's really what it's about, 1064 00:44:52,897 --> 00:44:54,243 it's all function of his narcissism 1065 00:44:54,277 --> 00:44:57,246 and when he says things that were supportive 1066 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,421 of some of those bad people at Charlottesville, 1067 00:45:00,456 --> 00:45:02,354 that's again a function of his narcissism 1068 00:45:02,389 --> 00:45:05,841 because the people who were attacking those people 1069 00:45:05,875 --> 00:45:07,428 were attacking him. 1070 00:45:07,463 --> 00:45:09,534 - You had a group on one side that was bad 1071 00:45:09,568 --> 00:45:11,087 and you had a group on the other side 1072 00:45:11,122 --> 00:45:13,365 that was also very violent 1073 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,060 but you also had people that were very fine people, 1074 00:45:18,094 --> 00:45:19,475 on both sides. 1075 00:45:19,509 --> 00:45:22,374 You had people in that group, excuse me, excuse me, 1076 00:45:22,409 --> 00:45:24,756 I saw the same pictures as you did. 1077 00:45:24,791 --> 00:45:27,103 - [Crowd] Russia is our friend. 1078 00:45:27,138 --> 00:45:29,485 The south will rise again. 1079 00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,452 - You had people in that group 1080 00:45:31,487 --> 00:45:33,075 that were there to protest 1081 00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:35,802 the taking down of the statue Robert E. Lee. 1082 00:45:36,941 --> 00:45:39,322 To them, a very, very important statue. 1083 00:45:39,357 --> 00:45:41,290 - [Crowd] You will not replace us. 1084 00:45:42,429 --> 00:45:44,258 - My mother came from the Philippines. 1085 00:45:44,293 --> 00:45:48,746 She came to the United States in the late 1950s 1086 00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:50,678 so I'm half Filipino and the other half 1087 00:45:50,713 --> 00:45:53,578 is some mixture of Irish-Scottish, 1088 00:45:53,612 --> 00:45:56,581 I'm classic American mutt. 1089 00:45:56,615 --> 00:45:58,134 I think of myself as an American 1090 00:45:58,169 --> 00:46:00,550 and I just assume people aren't racist 1091 00:46:01,931 --> 00:46:06,453 and I tend to forget that, well, some people are 1092 00:46:07,523 --> 00:46:09,456 and that's the lesson with Trump is 1093 00:46:09,490 --> 00:46:11,803 I just gave him the benefit of the doubt. 1094 00:46:11,838 --> 00:46:16,256 - These are people that if they don't like it here 1095 00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:17,326 they can leave. 1096 00:46:18,983 --> 00:46:22,193 - But what he said about those members of Congress, 1097 00:46:22,227 --> 00:46:24,264 it brought back that memory 1098 00:46:24,298 --> 00:46:26,473 of the one time I really remember, wow, 1099 00:46:26,507 --> 00:46:28,475 there really are people like that here. 1100 00:46:29,683 --> 00:46:34,308 I was with my mother when I was a teenager 1101 00:46:34,343 --> 00:46:37,864 in a parking lot in Massachusetts when somebody said to her, 1102 00:46:39,141 --> 00:46:40,521 "Go back to your country." 1103 00:46:43,317 --> 00:46:45,457 Sorry, and I found that to be, 1104 00:46:45,492 --> 00:46:49,323 and it really came home to me then. 1105 00:46:49,358 --> 00:46:52,326 This man is a racist, he is evil. 1106 00:46:52,361 --> 00:46:55,709 - The Democrat Party is now being led 1107 00:46:55,743 --> 00:46:58,125 by four left wing extremists 1108 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,853 who reject everything that we hold dear. 1109 00:47:01,888 --> 00:47:03,199 - [Crowd] Send her back! 1110 00:47:03,234 --> 00:47:04,580 Send her back! 1111 00:47:04,614 --> 00:47:06,030 Send her back! 1112 00:47:06,064 --> 00:47:07,583 Send her back! 1113 00:47:07,617 --> 00:47:08,446 Send her back! 1114 00:47:09,723 --> 00:47:12,381 - He's a racist beyond any question. 1115 00:47:13,623 --> 00:47:14,832 - [Crowd] USA! 1116 00:47:14,866 --> 00:47:16,074 USA! 1117 00:47:16,109 --> 00:47:19,871 - The first time I saw Trump at a rally 1118 00:47:19,906 --> 00:47:22,598 telling the crowd that he loved them 1119 00:47:22,632 --> 00:47:25,083 but he also hated everybody else, 1120 00:47:25,118 --> 00:47:26,878 when I saw him leading them 1121 00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:30,261 in a loyalty oath using emotions in that way 1122 00:47:30,295 --> 00:47:33,781 I realized that this was not politics as usual. 1123 00:47:40,443 --> 00:47:42,756 - Raise you right hand, everybody. 1124 00:47:43,895 --> 00:47:45,586 Do you swear that you're going 1125 00:47:45,621 --> 00:47:47,519 to vote for Donald Trump tomorrow? 1126 00:47:47,554 --> 00:47:49,245 Raise that hand. 1127 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,075 I love you, I love you. 1128 00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:55,907 - He had talked about being president for many, many years 1129 00:47:55,942 --> 00:47:58,634 with his advisor of the time, Steve Bannon, 1130 00:47:58,668 --> 00:48:02,017 who is a White Nationalist, an unabashed racist. 1131 00:48:02,051 --> 00:48:05,089 Steve Bannon considers himself a student of history 1132 00:48:05,123 --> 00:48:09,541 and he likes to think that he knows the cycles of history 1133 00:48:09,576 --> 00:48:11,923 in terms of resentment and racism 1134 00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:13,683 and in this case, he was correct. 1135 00:48:15,237 --> 00:48:18,136 - [Narrator] This is Italy in 1922. 1136 00:48:18,171 --> 00:48:20,311 These marching men are charter members 1137 00:48:20,345 --> 00:48:23,555 of a new Italian political party, the fascists, 1138 00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:26,662 founded and led by a flamboyant ex-editor, 1139 00:48:26,696 --> 00:48:30,838 ex-army corporal, ex-socialist, Benito Mussolini. 1140 00:48:30,873 --> 00:48:33,082 His movement numbers a million members 1141 00:48:33,117 --> 00:48:35,429 including uniformed Black Shirts 1142 00:48:35,464 --> 00:48:38,053 and Mussolini successfully forces his leadership 1143 00:48:38,087 --> 00:48:40,503 on the Italian king and people. 1144 00:48:40,538 --> 00:48:42,747 Despite the fact that 80% of Italians 1145 00:48:42,781 --> 00:48:45,163 still support the constitutional monarchy, 1146 00:48:45,198 --> 00:48:47,579 his threats of violence and revolution 1147 00:48:47,614 --> 00:48:49,443 win him the office of Premier. 1148 00:48:51,204 --> 00:48:52,860 On his first anniversary, 1149 00:48:52,895 --> 00:48:56,588 with the aid of gunfire, kidnapping and castor oil, 1150 00:48:56,623 --> 00:48:58,452 he is absolute dictator. 1151 00:48:59,833 --> 00:49:03,181 - At the time Mussolini came on the political scene in 1919, 1152 00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:06,598 Italy was a limited democracy. 1153 00:49:06,633 --> 00:49:08,842 People had the vote, women could vote, 1154 00:49:11,017 --> 00:49:13,329 and Mussolini came in as a revolutionary, 1155 00:49:13,364 --> 00:49:16,643 as a rabble-rouser to completely shake things up. 1156 00:49:16,677 --> 00:49:19,197 One of the most crucial moments of authoritarian capture 1157 00:49:19,232 --> 00:49:21,096 is when traditional elites 1158 00:49:21,130 --> 00:49:25,307 invite the authoritarian-in-the-making into power. 1159 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,587 Fascism was a very violent movement. 1160 00:49:31,175 --> 00:49:33,108 The political establishment, 1161 00:49:33,142 --> 00:49:34,972 these traditional conservatives, 1162 00:49:35,006 --> 00:49:38,458 were so frightened of the continuation of the violence 1163 00:49:38,492 --> 00:49:42,117 that they actually invited him to become Prime Minister. 1164 00:49:42,151 --> 00:49:44,119 He was invited into the office 1165 00:49:44,153 --> 00:49:46,742 and they thought that he could be contained 1166 00:49:46,776 --> 00:49:48,502 and he would do their dirty work 1167 00:49:48,537 --> 00:49:50,504 and then they could control him 1168 00:49:50,539 --> 00:49:53,818 and tragically, that was not to be. 1169 00:49:53,852 --> 00:49:55,509 He attacked the press. 1170 00:49:55,544 --> 00:49:59,686 He attacked democracy as something that was not necessary. 1171 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,896 He joked about having term limits removed. 1172 00:50:04,725 --> 00:50:07,314 His arch enemy, Giacomo Matteotti, 1173 00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:09,006 the leader of the Socialist Party, 1174 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,043 was seen being taken away by fascist thugs. 1175 00:50:12,078 --> 00:50:13,596 Eventually, his body was found 1176 00:50:13,631 --> 00:50:15,046 but it was a huge outrage 1177 00:50:15,081 --> 00:50:17,566 and a special investigation was launched 1178 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,326 with the prosecutor 1179 00:50:19,361 --> 00:50:20,879 and in the course of this, 1180 00:50:20,914 --> 00:50:23,503 Mussolini's career looked like it was over 1181 00:50:23,537 --> 00:50:25,574 and he was being asked to resign 1182 00:50:25,608 --> 00:50:30,613 and to end this, he declared a dictatorship in January 1925. 1183 00:50:31,752 --> 00:50:33,064 He changed the special prosecutors. 1184 00:50:33,099 --> 00:50:36,102 The assassins were given light prison sentences 1185 00:50:36,136 --> 00:50:37,551 and eventually pardoned 1186 00:50:37,586 --> 00:50:40,071 because dictators love to pardon criminals 1187 00:50:41,486 --> 00:50:44,558 and the Italian society was never the same again. 1188 00:50:47,113 --> 00:50:51,013 [chanting in foreign language] 1189 00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:56,087 There are times in history when figures appear 1190 00:50:56,122 --> 00:51:00,264 who are able to coalesce existing hatreds and anxieties 1191 00:51:00,298 --> 00:51:01,817 that exist in a culture 1192 00:51:01,851 --> 00:51:05,476 and form from them a movement through rallies, 1193 00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:08,479 through propaganda, through promises to them. 1194 00:51:08,513 --> 00:51:11,585 - We will be ending the AIDS epidemic 1195 00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:14,312 and curing childhood cancer. 1196 00:51:14,347 --> 00:51:16,107 - [Ruth] Only they know the truth, 1197 00:51:16,142 --> 00:51:18,075 only they can fix the problems. 1198 00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:21,492 - We are finally putting America first. 1199 00:51:22,769 --> 00:51:24,288 - My name is Cheryl Koos 1200 00:51:24,322 --> 00:51:27,843 and I'm a historian of interwar Europe, 1201 00:51:27,877 --> 00:51:30,501 and fascism and authoritarianism. 1202 00:51:32,054 --> 00:51:35,644 Hitler gained his followers by promising them a better life, 1203 00:51:35,678 --> 00:51:36,748 a better Germany 1204 00:51:36,783 --> 00:51:38,819 but he also had a scapegoat. 1205 00:51:38,854 --> 00:51:42,685 - Jews as diseased and foreign objects. 1206 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,688 One of the most dangerous things about authoritarian leaders 1207 00:51:45,723 --> 00:51:48,622 is that they're particular personal quirks, 1208 00:51:48,657 --> 00:51:51,591 their obsessions, their preoccupations 1209 00:51:51,625 --> 00:51:53,800 often become state policy. 1210 00:51:53,834 --> 00:51:55,767 - And I think one of the manifestations of that 1211 00:51:55,802 --> 00:51:59,046 that we've seen in policy is the Zero Tolerance Policy. 1212 00:51:59,081 --> 00:52:03,327 - Immigration is the fault in all of the problems 1213 00:52:03,361 --> 00:52:04,604 that we're having. 1214 00:52:04,638 --> 00:52:06,053 You look at what's happening in Europe, 1215 00:52:06,088 --> 00:52:07,710 you look at what's happening in other places, 1216 00:52:07,745 --> 00:52:10,368 we can't allow that to happen to the United States, 1217 00:52:10,403 --> 00:52:11,680 not on my watch. 1218 00:52:11,714 --> 00:52:14,441 - The separating of children from parents, 1219 00:52:14,476 --> 00:52:16,443 think about the kind of mind to think, 1220 00:52:16,478 --> 00:52:18,169 "I know how we're gonna restrict immigration. 1221 00:52:18,204 --> 00:52:21,034 "Let's take their children away [cackles]" 1222 00:52:21,068 --> 00:52:24,313 I mean, it's a cruel, almost cartoonishly evil, 1223 00:52:24,348 --> 00:52:25,797 kind of thing to do. 1224 00:52:25,832 --> 00:52:27,834 - Who's number one with Hispanics? 1225 00:52:27,868 --> 00:52:29,387 Trump. 1226 00:52:29,422 --> 00:52:32,321 - It's a violation of human rights 1227 00:52:32,356 --> 00:52:35,290 to take children away from their parents, 1228 00:52:35,324 --> 00:52:39,225 to be so uncaring about the permanent effect 1229 00:52:39,259 --> 00:52:41,641 on these children, and it is gonna be permanent, 1230 00:52:41,675 --> 00:52:44,575 is cruel and sadistic behavior, 1231 00:52:44,609 --> 00:52:46,646 it's completely different from saying 1232 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,475 we need to have strong borders, 1233 00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:51,513 or we need to limit immigration or something like that. 1234 00:52:51,547 --> 00:52:54,205 Those things, if they are worth doing, 1235 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:57,277 can be done without destroying children's lives. 1236 00:52:59,521 --> 00:53:00,729 - One institution, in my opinion, 1237 00:53:00,763 --> 00:53:03,663 that hasn't stood up for themselves at all 1238 00:53:03,697 --> 00:53:06,044 are Congress and the Republican Party. 1239 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:09,393 - It's quite extraordinary that the Republic Party, 1240 00:53:09,427 --> 00:53:14,398 they're slotting right into behavior in Italy in 1920s 1241 00:53:15,571 --> 00:53:18,298 and Germany in the early 1930s and so on. 1242 00:53:20,266 --> 00:53:21,439 - [Donald] I wanna know who's the person 1243 00:53:21,474 --> 00:53:24,373 who gave the whistleblower, 1244 00:53:24,408 --> 00:53:27,238 who's the person who gave the whistleblower the information? 1245 00:53:27,273 --> 00:53:28,757 Because that's close to a spy. 1246 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:31,622 You know what we used to do in the old days 1247 00:53:31,656 --> 00:53:33,244 when we were smart? 1248 00:53:33,279 --> 00:53:35,384 The spies and treason, 1249 00:53:35,419 --> 00:53:38,215 we used to handle it a little differently than we do now. 1250 00:53:39,837 --> 00:53:42,149 - He does not believe in democracy. 1251 00:53:43,323 --> 00:53:46,292 The way he rules in the White House shows that. 1252 00:53:46,326 --> 00:53:49,156 It reminded me of something I read by Ivana Trump 1253 00:53:49,191 --> 00:53:50,951 when he was married to her 1254 00:53:50,986 --> 00:53:52,815 and in their divorce proceedings 1255 00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:57,544 she had written that he liked reading Hitler's speeches, 1256 00:53:57,579 --> 00:54:00,271 and Hitler's speeches would always build you up 1257 00:54:00,306 --> 00:54:03,136 to this crescendo of shouting 1258 00:54:03,170 --> 00:54:05,587 and repeating things three times 1259 00:54:05,621 --> 00:54:07,830 because if you repeat something three times, 1260 00:54:07,865 --> 00:54:09,315 it breaks through to the audience 1261 00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:11,972 and it becomes a fact in their mind. 1262 00:54:12,007 --> 00:54:13,457 - And I want you all to know 1263 00:54:13,491 --> 00:54:15,804 that we are fighting the fake news, 1264 00:54:15,838 --> 00:54:17,633 it's fake, phony, fake. 1265 00:54:17,668 --> 00:54:20,360 [crowd cheering] 1266 00:54:23,605 --> 00:54:24,813 A few days ago 1267 00:54:24,847 --> 00:54:27,402 I called the fake news the enemy of the people, 1268 00:54:27,436 --> 00:54:30,474 and they are, they are the enemy of the people. 1269 00:54:32,441 --> 00:54:35,858 - The big lie technique that came from Nazis, 1270 00:54:35,893 --> 00:54:38,516 so now we're faced with the same problem. 1271 00:54:38,551 --> 00:54:40,691 People say over and over and over again 1272 00:54:40,725 --> 00:54:42,831 something which has never been true, 1273 00:54:42,865 --> 00:54:47,042 it's a lie, basically, or it may be a prejudice 1274 00:54:47,076 --> 00:54:48,319 but when you repeat it, 1275 00:54:48,354 --> 00:54:51,322 unless it's challenged quickly and effectively, 1276 00:54:51,357 --> 00:54:55,222 it becomes the norm, it becomes accepted wisdom 1277 00:54:55,257 --> 00:54:57,535 even though it's completely wrong. 1278 00:54:57,570 --> 00:54:58,709 - Repeat everything three times 1279 00:54:58,743 --> 00:55:00,711 and the third time it becomes the truth. 1280 00:55:00,745 --> 00:55:03,369 He is capitalizing on that. 1281 00:55:03,403 --> 00:55:05,060 - The Authoritarian Playbook 1282 00:55:05,094 --> 00:55:10,099 is a way that these kinds of men capture democracy. 1283 00:55:11,515 --> 00:55:14,690 After they get power, they proceed to tame the judiciary, 1284 00:55:14,725 --> 00:55:16,796 they attack the press 1285 00:55:16,830 --> 00:55:19,626 and the ultimate aim is to get people to believe 1286 00:55:19,661 --> 00:55:22,698 that reality is what they say it is. 1287 00:55:22,733 --> 00:55:23,906 - The fake news, right? 1288 00:55:23,941 --> 00:55:24,873 The fake news. 1289 00:55:24,907 --> 00:55:28,048 [crowd cheering] 1290 00:55:28,083 --> 00:55:30,050 - They are not about the greater good 1291 00:55:30,085 --> 00:55:32,881 and calling people to their better angels, 1292 00:55:32,915 --> 00:55:37,920 they're about fostering a sense of victimization and fear, 1293 00:55:39,059 --> 00:55:42,718 and how the nation could be purer, 1294 00:55:42,753 --> 00:55:46,377 and how the nation would be better 1295 00:55:46,412 --> 00:55:49,725 without X, Y and Z elements. 1296 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:50,864 - Hail Trump! 1297 00:55:50,899 --> 00:55:52,072 Hail our people! 1298 00:55:52,107 --> 00:55:53,211 Hail victory! 1299 00:55:54,385 --> 00:55:55,593 - [Interviewer] So, is it appropriate 1300 00:55:55,628 --> 00:55:58,009 to compare Trump to Hitler? 1301 00:55:58,044 --> 00:56:00,115 - I compare Trump to Hitler all the time 1302 00:56:00,149 --> 00:56:04,015 and that makes people angry and I'm not gonna stop doing it, 1303 00:56:04,050 --> 00:56:06,501 and I'll tell you why I'm not gonna stop doing it 1304 00:56:06,535 --> 00:56:09,366 because my father was a great historian 1305 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,437 and student of Jewish history 1306 00:56:11,471 --> 00:56:13,024 and he used to say to me all the time, 1307 00:56:13,059 --> 00:56:16,200 "John, the meaning of history is in the Holocaust." 1308 00:56:16,234 --> 00:56:17,753 We cannot be silent. 1309 00:56:18,927 --> 00:56:21,067 It's not that he's as bad as Hitler 1310 00:56:21,101 --> 00:56:23,380 or that he's the equivalent of Hitler, 1311 00:56:23,414 --> 00:56:25,761 but he has the same diagnosis as Hitler. 1312 00:56:25,796 --> 00:56:27,694 He's in the same category, 1313 00:56:27,729 --> 00:56:30,214 that it's a psychological type 1314 00:56:30,248 --> 00:56:32,872 that can be more or less extreme 1315 00:56:32,906 --> 00:56:35,150 but they share these common characteristics, 1316 00:56:35,184 --> 00:56:36,910 they're cut from the same cloth. 1317 00:56:42,571 --> 00:56:45,885 Those of us who've been raised in this current era, 1318 00:56:45,919 --> 00:56:47,818 we don't realize how spoiled we've been. 1319 00:56:47,852 --> 00:56:50,924 We've been raised from the World War II boom of prosperity 1320 00:56:50,959 --> 00:56:52,995 to today, one of the greatest periods 1321 00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:55,273 of peace and prosperity in human history 1322 00:56:56,447 --> 00:56:59,174 and we've also taken it for granted 1323 00:56:59,208 --> 00:57:01,314 that our democracy was solid, 1324 00:57:01,348 --> 00:57:03,109 that liberal democracy 1325 00:57:03,143 --> 00:57:05,180 is now becoming the touchstone for the planet, 1326 00:57:05,214 --> 00:57:07,458 that's what we believed three years ago 1327 00:57:07,493 --> 00:57:11,738 but Plato predicted thousands of years ago 1328 00:57:11,773 --> 00:57:14,672 that democracies always end in autocracy 1329 00:57:18,365 --> 00:57:20,644 and we're so naive that we don't understand 1330 00:57:20,678 --> 00:57:23,647 that every democracy is always vulnerable 1331 00:57:23,681 --> 00:57:27,789 to being taken over and turned into an autocracy. 1332 00:57:27,823 --> 00:57:30,136 - We are in the third era 1333 00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:33,588 of the rise of charismatic threatening strongmen in history. 1334 00:57:33,622 --> 00:57:35,590 The first was during the Fascist period 1335 00:57:35,624 --> 00:57:37,350 in the '20s and '30s. 1336 00:57:37,384 --> 00:57:41,147 After World War II, you had anticolonial strongmen 1337 00:57:41,181 --> 00:57:43,045 like Mobutu and Qaddafi 1338 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,946 and today, we have a new crop of leaders 1339 00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:49,500 who are threatening liberal democracy 1340 00:57:49,535 --> 00:57:52,054 or have already partly destroyed it. 1341 00:57:52,089 --> 00:57:54,229 - Trump has helped autocrats all around the world just, 1342 00:57:54,263 --> 00:57:57,163 I mean, almost immediately out of the box. 1343 00:57:57,197 --> 00:57:58,371 Erdogan in Turkey. 1344 00:57:58,405 --> 00:57:59,855 - [Translator] Turkey has the right 1345 00:57:59,890 --> 00:58:02,133 to eliminate all possible threats towards sovereignty, 1346 00:58:02,168 --> 00:58:04,204 with or without it's allies. 1347 00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:05,896 - [Malcom] el-Sisi in Egypt. 1348 00:58:07,035 --> 00:58:08,243 - [Translator] Whenever there is a minority 1349 00:58:08,277 --> 00:58:10,694 trying to impose their extremist ideology, 1350 00:58:10,728 --> 00:58:13,490 we have to intervene regardless of their numbers. 1351 00:58:13,524 --> 00:58:15,146 [speaks in foreign language] 1352 00:58:15,181 --> 00:58:16,493 - [Malcolm] Even in Libya, 1353 00:58:16,527 --> 00:58:19,012 they're backing the strongman al-Haftar. 1354 00:58:19,047 --> 00:58:20,358 - His most important aim 1355 00:58:20,393 --> 00:58:21,981 is take over the capital, of course, 1356 00:58:22,015 --> 00:58:23,845 because the one who takes over the capital 1357 00:58:23,879 --> 00:58:25,571 is the one in power. 1358 00:58:25,605 --> 00:58:28,366 - [Malcolm] You have presidents like Bolsonaro in Brazil. 1359 00:58:28,401 --> 00:58:29,575 [speaks in foreign language] 1360 00:58:29,609 --> 00:58:30,852 - [Translator] These red outcasts 1361 00:58:30,886 --> 00:58:32,819 will be banished from our homeland, 1362 00:58:32,854 --> 00:58:35,926 it will be a cleansing never seen in Brazilian history. 1363 00:58:36,892 --> 00:58:38,031 - [Malcolm] You have strongmen 1364 00:58:38,066 --> 00:58:40,102 in the Philippines like Duterte. 1365 00:58:40,137 --> 00:58:43,071 - Hitler massacred three million Jews. 1366 00:58:44,486 --> 00:58:47,385 Now, there is three million drug addicts, 1367 00:58:49,698 --> 00:58:51,528 I'd be happy to slaughter them. 1368 00:58:51,562 --> 00:58:53,564 - [Malcolm] Vladimir Putin. 1369 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:57,395 [speaks in foreign language] 1370 00:59:05,162 --> 00:59:07,233 [crowd cheering] 1371 00:59:07,267 --> 00:59:09,407 - Russia is actually fueling 1372 00:59:09,442 --> 00:59:12,203 right wing extremist governments in Europe, 1373 00:59:12,238 --> 00:59:13,722 they're funding them. 1374 00:59:13,757 --> 00:59:16,276 AFD in Germany, Alternative for Deutschland. 1375 00:59:17,484 --> 00:59:21,592 [crowd chanting in foreign language] 1376 00:59:23,421 --> 00:59:26,735 They're the second largest political party in Germany 1377 00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:31,775 fueled mainly by hatred of liberalism and immigration. 1378 00:59:32,983 --> 00:59:36,400 These people are all fellow travelers now 1379 00:59:36,434 --> 00:59:37,815 and as fellow travelers, 1380 00:59:37,850 --> 00:59:39,610 they all believe in the same thing 1381 00:59:39,645 --> 00:59:44,166 and they believe that democracy is a failed experiment 1382 00:59:44,201 --> 00:59:48,481 and that the polar axis of the world should shift. 1383 00:59:48,515 --> 00:59:53,003 We are in a battle for our political and ideological lives, 1384 00:59:53,037 --> 00:59:57,076 what was America is now under siege around the world. 1385 00:59:57,110 --> 01:00:00,769 This is a dangerous, dangerous time for the world. 1386 01:00:00,804 --> 01:00:05,463 Are we moving to a time where the 1930s have been forgotten 1387 01:00:05,498 --> 01:00:09,502 and people are viewing it a template not a warning? 1388 01:00:10,814 --> 01:00:14,265 - The only way we can perpetuate a democracy 1389 01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:16,958 is by people sharing those values 1390 01:00:16,992 --> 01:00:20,478 and thinking that that is something to be upheld. 1391 01:00:20,513 --> 01:00:22,964 - I mean, Trump is a symptom of a lot of things, 1392 01:00:22,998 --> 01:00:25,829 including a rise of a kind of ethnonationalism 1393 01:00:25,863 --> 01:00:27,382 and authoritarianism 1394 01:00:27,416 --> 01:00:31,041 but he is a symptom who's become a very important cause. 1395 01:00:31,075 --> 01:00:33,181 The United States is standing against 1396 01:00:33,215 --> 01:00:37,219 ethnonationalist sentiments and authoritarian regimes 1397 01:00:37,254 --> 01:00:38,669 around the world, 1398 01:00:38,704 --> 01:00:41,810 I think that puts a certain amount of check on them. 1399 01:00:41,845 --> 01:00:44,226 With the American president on their side, 1400 01:00:44,261 --> 01:00:46,850 it's an exponential shot in the arm 1401 01:00:46,884 --> 01:00:50,405 for them and an exponential weakening of liberal democracy 1402 01:00:50,439 --> 01:00:51,337 around the world. 1403 01:00:55,237 --> 01:00:59,552 - I actually go back to, believe it or not, chimpanzees. 1404 01:01:03,073 --> 01:01:06,179 When Jane Goodall was observing chimpanzees, 1405 01:01:06,214 --> 01:01:09,182 one of the things she showed us was how loving they were, 1406 01:01:10,287 --> 01:01:11,737 and how human they were, 1407 01:01:12,841 --> 01:01:14,153 and she bonded with them 1408 01:01:14,187 --> 01:01:15,395 and formed these relationships with them 1409 01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:18,536 and then the males would compete for dominance. 1410 01:01:18,571 --> 01:01:19,986 They'd pound their chest, 1411 01:01:20,021 --> 01:01:21,608 and they'd throw dirt up in the air, 1412 01:01:21,643 --> 01:01:23,196 and they'd throw heavy rocks into the river 1413 01:01:23,231 --> 01:01:25,164 to show who is more powerful 1414 01:01:25,198 --> 01:01:27,166 but no one ever really got hurt. 1415 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,857 It was all called display behavior 1416 01:01:28,892 --> 01:01:30,721 just to show who was the toughest 1417 01:01:30,756 --> 01:01:32,861 and that person would become the alpha. 1418 01:01:32,896 --> 01:01:34,760 What happened, though, after many years 1419 01:01:34,794 --> 01:01:37,521 is that troop that she observed became so big 1420 01:01:37,555 --> 01:01:40,041 that they split into two troops. 1421 01:01:40,075 --> 01:01:43,561 So everything she taught us about chimpanzees 1422 01:01:43,596 --> 01:01:46,116 is really what we would call within group behavior, 1423 01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:48,774 it says nothing about between group behavior. 1424 01:01:51,397 --> 01:01:53,054 Once the troops had split apart, 1425 01:01:54,331 --> 01:01:57,265 a very aggressive charismatic alpha male 1426 01:01:57,299 --> 01:01:59,854 from one of the groups would start beating his chest, 1427 01:01:59,888 --> 01:02:01,890 and hooting, and slapping the other males, 1428 01:02:01,925 --> 01:02:03,202 and getting them excited 1429 01:02:03,236 --> 01:02:04,962 and then they would start marching 1430 01:02:04,997 --> 01:02:06,205 toward the other group's territory 1431 01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:08,034 and the other males would follow him 1432 01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:10,934 [percussive music] 1433 01:02:10,968 --> 01:02:12,798 and they would wait at the edge of the territory 1434 01:02:12,832 --> 01:02:14,109 for another male, 1435 01:02:14,144 --> 01:02:16,560 maybe even someone they were friends with 1436 01:02:16,594 --> 01:02:18,493 when the troop was one troop 1437 01:02:18,527 --> 01:02:20,495 and they will barrel down the hill 1438 01:02:20,529 --> 01:02:22,083 and beat that male to death. 1439 01:02:22,117 --> 01:02:25,465 [chimpanzees shrieking] 1440 01:02:26,777 --> 01:02:28,261 And they'll do that systematically 1441 01:02:28,296 --> 01:02:29,676 until they're able to take over 1442 01:02:29,711 --> 01:02:31,748 the other group's females and their land. 1443 01:02:33,335 --> 01:02:36,235 Now, think about this from an evolutionary point of view. 1444 01:02:36,269 --> 01:02:38,271 Who's genes got to move on? 1445 01:02:40,101 --> 01:02:43,276 The troop with the malignant, narcissistic leaders 1446 01:02:43,311 --> 01:02:45,900 that said, "Let's go kill all the other chimpanzees." 1447 01:02:45,934 --> 01:02:49,075 [chimpanzees shrieking] 1448 01:02:49,110 --> 01:02:52,251 So this is very deep in our genetic programming 1449 01:02:52,285 --> 01:02:54,701 and this is why demagogues like Trump 1450 01:02:54,736 --> 01:02:57,014 are able to be successful 1451 01:02:57,049 --> 01:03:00,811 because before Trump we had fractures in our society 1452 01:03:00,846 --> 01:03:03,710 but we had this overarching identity as Americans. 1453 01:03:03,745 --> 01:03:05,022 Donald Trump fractures it and says, 1454 01:03:05,057 --> 01:03:07,024 "No, we're actually two troops 1455 01:03:07,059 --> 01:03:10,165 "and our troop is being attacked by that troop 1456 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,650 "and if we don't go over there 1457 01:03:12,685 --> 01:03:14,307 "and beat the crap out of them, 1458 01:03:14,342 --> 01:03:15,792 "they're gonna destroy us." 1459 01:03:16,723 --> 01:03:20,003 And that is like a siren song 1460 01:03:20,037 --> 01:03:21,970 to the deep genetic programming 1461 01:03:22,005 --> 01:03:24,317 in the base of our animal brains 1462 01:03:24,352 --> 01:03:26,872 that, yes, if somebody convinces us 1463 01:03:26,906 --> 01:03:28,701 that other troop is trying to kill us, 1464 01:03:28,735 --> 01:03:30,876 and I don't care how bad my leader is, 1465 01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:32,843 but he's the one who's leading us to the edge of the troop 1466 01:03:32,878 --> 01:03:35,673 so only one of us is gonna survive 1467 01:03:35,708 --> 01:03:37,296 who cares if he's a liar? 1468 01:03:37,330 --> 01:03:38,573 We wanna survive 1469 01:03:38,607 --> 01:03:39,816 and the only way we survive 1470 01:03:39,850 --> 01:03:41,679 is by attacking those other people. 1471 01:03:41,714 --> 01:03:45,994 That primitive programming is actually not atypical, 1472 01:03:46,029 --> 01:03:48,652 they're not anomalous, they're not unusual. 1473 01:03:48,686 --> 01:03:49,998 Humankind has been at war 1474 01:03:50,033 --> 01:03:51,862 in every place at every time, right? 1475 01:03:51,897 --> 01:03:55,866 And they've been horrible in war to burning down villages, 1476 01:03:55,901 --> 01:03:58,317 raping women, torturing people, killing people, 1477 01:03:58,351 --> 01:04:02,562 that's actually normal for the human animal, unfortunately. 1478 01:04:02,597 --> 01:04:05,082 It's the psychology of power. 1479 01:04:05,117 --> 01:04:06,566 [crowd cheering] 1480 01:04:06,601 --> 01:04:09,569 We all tend to fall behind the powerful leader 1481 01:04:09,604 --> 01:04:12,227 out of self-preservation and out of group perseveration, 1482 01:04:12,262 --> 01:04:13,746 it's the natural instinct. 1483 01:04:21,927 --> 01:04:23,342 - [Interviewer] What are you most fearful of 1484 01:04:23,376 --> 01:04:26,414 about this president being in control? 1485 01:04:26,448 --> 01:04:27,898 - Nuclear war. 1486 01:04:27,933 --> 01:04:31,074 I mean, that's the long-term, that's the biggest risk, 1487 01:04:31,108 --> 01:04:34,801 is that he gets in a confrontation with a foreign leader, 1488 01:04:34,836 --> 01:04:39,841 North Korea, with China where his ego's on the line. 1489 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:41,463 - Several months ago, 1490 01:04:43,949 --> 01:04:48,919 a foreign policy expert on an international level 1491 01:04:49,782 --> 01:04:51,473 went to advise Donald Trump 1492 01:04:51,508 --> 01:04:55,581 and three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons. 1493 01:04:56,685 --> 01:04:58,929 Three times he asked, at one point, 1494 01:04:58,964 --> 01:05:01,759 "If we have them, why can't we use them?" 1495 01:05:05,453 --> 01:05:08,974 - North Korea best not make any more threats 1496 01:05:09,008 --> 01:05:10,527 to the United States, 1497 01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:15,152 they will be met with fire and fury 1498 01:05:15,187 --> 01:05:20,054 the likes of which this world has never seen before. 1499 01:05:20,088 --> 01:05:21,572 - A president of the United States, 1500 01:05:21,607 --> 01:05:23,298 even if he's being a showman, 1501 01:05:23,333 --> 01:05:27,509 saying that we will bring fire and fury to your country, 1502 01:05:27,544 --> 01:05:29,960 that is an implicit nuclear threat. 1503 01:05:29,995 --> 01:05:32,411 Donald Trump does not have the temperament 1504 01:05:32,445 --> 01:05:34,827 to be around these systems. 1505 01:05:34,861 --> 01:05:37,002 - Welcome to the White House. 1506 01:05:37,036 --> 01:05:39,590 This ceremony and the treaty we are signing today 1507 01:05:39,625 --> 01:05:43,111 are both excellent examples of the rewards of patience. 1508 01:05:43,146 --> 01:05:46,114 - [Narrator] It was 1987 and President Reagan 1509 01:05:46,149 --> 01:05:48,599 and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev 1510 01:05:48,634 --> 01:05:52,293 celebrated the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty 1511 01:05:52,327 --> 01:05:54,812 as calming Cold War tensions. 1512 01:05:56,228 --> 01:05:59,541 The INF scrapped thousands of ground launched 1513 01:05:59,576 --> 01:06:01,716 nuclear and conventional missiles 1514 01:06:02,924 --> 01:06:06,997 with ranges of from 300 to 3,400 miles. 1515 01:06:09,344 --> 01:06:10,863 - [Reporter] Moscow and Washington 1516 01:06:10,897 --> 01:06:15,281 have repeatedly accused each other of violating the treaty, 1517 01:06:15,316 --> 01:06:18,146 a deal that helps protect the security of the U.S. 1518 01:06:18,181 --> 01:06:21,322 and its allies in Europe and the Far East. 1519 01:06:21,356 --> 01:06:24,187 Russia has condemned President Trump's intention 1520 01:06:24,221 --> 01:06:26,154 to withdraw from the pact, 1521 01:06:26,189 --> 01:06:27,914 the Deputy Foreign Minister is saying 1522 01:06:27,949 --> 01:06:30,503 it would be a very dangerous step. 1523 01:06:31,366 --> 01:06:33,748 - [Man] Sierra, Victor, Two. 1524 01:06:35,715 --> 01:06:37,717 - [Malcom] The President of the United States 1525 01:06:37,752 --> 01:06:40,030 is a nuclear monarchy. 1526 01:06:40,065 --> 01:06:41,238 He is a king. 1527 01:06:41,273 --> 01:06:45,139 There are no safeguards other than his whim, 1528 01:06:45,173 --> 01:06:48,038 that determines when he launches an atomic bomb and where. 1529 01:06:49,212 --> 01:06:51,593 The briefcase that he has, the football, 1530 01:06:51,628 --> 01:06:53,561 is a communications device 1531 01:06:53,595 --> 01:06:56,874 and all it does is authenticates him 1532 01:06:56,909 --> 01:06:59,877 to the nuclear arsenal's chain of command. 1533 01:06:59,912 --> 01:07:01,672 - [Commander] Unlock code enter, 1534 01:07:01,707 --> 01:07:03,226 Juliet, Papa, Papa. 1535 01:07:03,260 --> 01:07:05,573 - [Malcolm] And it executes his order 1536 01:07:05,607 --> 01:07:07,471 once he has authenticated himself. 1537 01:07:09,094 --> 01:07:10,060 - [Commander] Mark. 1538 01:07:10,095 --> 01:07:10,957 T-minus 50. 1539 01:07:12,959 --> 01:07:17,274 - Not one bomb's going, multiple bombs are going 1540 01:07:17,309 --> 01:07:19,104 So when you choose that option, 1541 01:07:19,138 --> 01:07:24,074 that missile will blow that country up in 35 minutes 1542 01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:25,765 and there is no turning it off. 1543 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,975 Once they boost into space, they're gone. 1544 01:07:30,632 --> 01:07:35,430 - The president has the authority to order a nuclear attack, 1545 01:07:35,465 --> 01:07:36,949 including a first strike 1546 01:07:36,983 --> 01:07:41,781 and it is extremely unlikely that the military command 1547 01:07:41,816 --> 01:07:43,542 would not take his orders. 1548 01:07:43,576 --> 01:07:45,199 - The president can decide 1549 01:07:45,233 --> 01:07:48,098 that France is a national security threat 1550 01:07:48,133 --> 01:07:50,997 and he can order an ICBM strike. 1551 01:07:51,032 --> 01:07:52,482 - [Man] That's not the correct procedure. 1552 01:07:52,516 --> 01:07:53,793 - Screw the procedure. 1553 01:07:53,828 --> 01:07:55,243 I want somebody on the goddamn phone 1554 01:07:55,278 --> 01:07:56,313 before I kill 20 million people. 1555 01:07:56,348 --> 01:07:57,659 - Sir, we have a launch order. 1556 01:07:57,694 --> 01:07:59,316 - [Timer] Four, three, two 1557 01:07:59,351 --> 01:08:01,663 - Put your hand on the keys, sir. 1558 01:08:01,698 --> 01:08:02,871 - [Timer] One, launch. 1559 01:08:08,049 --> 01:08:09,464 - So what do you say to people 1560 01:08:09,499 --> 01:08:12,571 who say that Trump is a bluffer, a strategic thinker, 1561 01:08:12,605 --> 01:08:14,366 he won't do this? 1562 01:08:15,781 --> 01:08:18,508 Are you willing to bet your children's life on it? 1563 01:08:18,542 --> 01:08:20,096 Are you willing to bet the lives 1564 01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:22,753 of every person in this nation on it? 1565 01:08:22,788 --> 01:08:24,272 And if you're willing to say that 1566 01:08:24,307 --> 01:08:29,070 about any person who will pathologically lie to you, 1567 01:08:30,313 --> 01:08:34,282 to your face, documentable, quantifiably lie 1568 01:08:34,317 --> 01:08:39,149 to you, your wife, your children on a daily basis, 1569 01:08:39,184 --> 01:08:42,739 then you don't really understand what the stakes are. 1570 01:08:43,843 --> 01:08:46,743 [missile blasting] 1571 01:08:55,993 --> 01:09:00,481 We cannot allow that kind of gamesmanship to continue, 1572 01:09:00,515 --> 01:09:04,381 this man controls those weapons. 1573 01:09:06,487 --> 01:09:09,524 - I don't think you can understand Trump 1574 01:09:09,559 --> 01:09:13,321 or much else of what's going on in the world today 1575 01:09:13,356 --> 01:09:17,877 without factoring in the effects of death anxiety. 1576 01:09:19,327 --> 01:09:23,952 Are we doing what we're doing for the reasons that we claim 1577 01:09:24,781 --> 01:09:26,196 or could there be something 1578 01:09:26,231 --> 01:09:29,165 that lurks beneath the surface of consciousness? 1579 01:09:31,270 --> 01:09:32,513 In "The Denial of Death", 1580 01:09:32,547 --> 01:09:37,034 Becker argues that it is our awareness 1581 01:09:37,069 --> 01:09:39,347 that we will inevitably die 1582 01:09:39,382 --> 01:09:42,557 and our inability to accept the reality 1583 01:09:42,592 --> 01:09:45,767 of the human condition with grace and courage 1584 01:09:45,802 --> 01:09:49,702 that underlies almost all human activity. 1585 01:09:52,602 --> 01:09:56,053 What Freud pointed out is that we're animals 1586 01:09:56,088 --> 01:09:57,952 and we don't like that, 1587 01:09:57,986 --> 01:10:00,403 we're breathing pieces of defecating meat 1588 01:10:00,437 --> 01:10:02,267 that aren't any more significant 1589 01:10:02,301 --> 01:10:05,062 or enduring than lizards or potatoes. 1590 01:10:05,097 --> 01:10:06,374 So, if you think about it, 1591 01:10:06,409 --> 01:10:07,617 I'm gonna die, 1592 01:10:07,651 --> 01:10:10,689 I could walk outside and get smoked by a comet. 1593 01:10:10,723 --> 01:10:12,725 You wouldn't be able to stand up in the morning. 1594 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,072 You would literally be overwhelmed 1595 01:10:15,107 --> 01:10:17,937 by paralyzing existential terror. 1596 01:10:19,456 --> 01:10:24,116 What we do to bury that anxiety is to embrace belief systems 1597 01:10:24,150 --> 01:10:26,636 that life has meaning and we have value. 1598 01:10:27,637 --> 01:10:30,018 In a single word, culture. 1599 01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:36,301 So the prevailing belief in the U.S. in the last century 1600 01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:40,305 is that America is the home of the free and the brave, 1601 01:10:41,651 --> 01:10:44,757 anybody who works hard enough 1602 01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:46,932 can be just as successful 1603 01:10:46,966 --> 01:10:51,799 as Oprah, or Bill Gates, or Warren Buffet 1604 01:10:51,833 --> 01:10:56,459 and that we will always be the world's foremost economic, 1605 01:10:56,493 --> 01:10:59,979 as well as military power 1606 01:11:00,014 --> 01:11:02,499 and so one of the first knees 1607 01:11:02,534 --> 01:11:06,331 in our psychological groin was 9/11 1608 01:11:07,470 --> 01:11:10,956 when both our military and economic power 1609 01:11:10,990 --> 01:11:12,164 had been challenged, 1610 01:11:13,372 --> 01:11:16,582 then we get clobbered with the recession, 1611 01:11:16,617 --> 01:11:18,964 combined with globalization, 1612 01:11:18,998 --> 01:11:21,277 combined with demographic reality 1613 01:11:21,311 --> 01:11:23,417 that by the middle of the century 1614 01:11:23,451 --> 01:11:26,696 white people will be in the minority 1615 01:11:26,730 --> 01:11:28,870 and so for many Americans, 1616 01:11:28,905 --> 01:11:33,254 their world view have been completely upended. 1617 01:11:34,082 --> 01:11:37,154 So fast forward to 2015, 1618 01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:40,468 Donald Trump declares that he's running for President. 1619 01:11:41,504 --> 01:11:43,437 He comes down the escalator. 1620 01:11:43,471 --> 01:11:48,476 He's like, "Mexicans are rapists, I'm gonna keep you safe." 1621 01:11:49,650 --> 01:11:51,652 And I said to myself, "That guy is gonna win." 1622 01:11:53,274 --> 01:11:57,313 - The American dream is dead. 1623 01:11:58,900 --> 01:12:01,627 - [Audience Member] Bring it back. 1624 01:12:01,662 --> 01:12:04,354 - But if I get elected president, 1625 01:12:04,389 --> 01:12:09,394 I will bring it back bigger and better and stronger 1626 01:12:11,396 --> 01:12:13,156 than ever before 1627 01:12:13,190 --> 01:12:17,160 and we will make America great again. 1628 01:12:17,194 --> 01:12:18,920 Thank you, thank you very much. 1629 01:12:18,955 --> 01:12:20,094 [crowd cheering] 1630 01:12:20,128 --> 01:12:21,820 - When the psychological shit hits the fan, 1631 01:12:21,854 --> 01:12:23,166 if you'll pardon the expression, 1632 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,927 and when people are economically 1633 01:12:25,962 --> 01:12:28,861 and psychologically insecure, 1634 01:12:28,896 --> 01:12:33,901 when somebody comes along and confidently proclaims 1635 01:12:34,626 --> 01:12:36,352 in very simple terms 1636 01:12:36,386 --> 01:12:41,357 that they will keep them safe, they will make them prosper, 1637 01:12:42,772 --> 01:12:45,878 they will bring back the good old days, 1638 01:12:45,913 --> 01:12:48,950 that's the psychological hook. 1639 01:12:48,985 --> 01:12:52,678 If you look at it from a detached perspective, 1640 01:12:52,713 --> 01:12:54,439 we're really at a crossroads, 1641 01:12:54,473 --> 01:12:57,959 the impending environmental apocalypse 1642 01:12:57,994 --> 01:13:01,791 juxtaposed with simmering ethnic tensions, 1643 01:13:01,825 --> 01:13:05,933 juxtaposed with rampant economic inequality 1644 01:13:05,967 --> 01:13:10,972 and here we have Trump magnifying all of those difficulties. 1645 01:13:13,354 --> 01:13:15,770 What Trump also did masterfully 1646 01:13:15,805 --> 01:13:19,636 was to take nonexistent problems 1647 01:13:19,671 --> 01:13:22,915 and render them potentially traumatic 1648 01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:26,229 by grotesquely overemphasizing the danger. 1649 01:13:26,263 --> 01:13:28,438 - Look at the deal he's making with Iran. 1650 01:13:28,473 --> 01:13:31,407 - Once you get on board psychologically, 1651 01:13:31,441 --> 01:13:36,412 once you commit to a demagogueish ideologue, 1652 01:13:37,343 --> 01:13:40,623 that puts up a fact proof screen 1653 01:13:40,657 --> 01:13:42,970 between you and the world. 1654 01:13:43,004 --> 01:13:45,593 Once you are fully on board, 1655 01:13:45,628 --> 01:13:50,633 there's no rational argument that will alter your opinion. 1656 01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:56,121 There is always a tendency for charismatic leaders 1657 01:13:56,155 --> 01:14:00,263 to bring out the tribal nature of humans, 1658 01:14:00,297 --> 01:14:05,302 it is very easy to lapse into an us versus them mentality. 1659 01:14:08,513 --> 01:14:11,792 Rationality will lose every time. 1660 01:14:12,827 --> 01:14:14,864 - Where is the red line? 1661 01:14:14,898 --> 01:14:16,452 Where do you say, 1662 01:14:16,486 --> 01:14:18,695 "Okay, hey, No mas, I'm not supporting this guy anymore?" 1663 01:14:18,730 --> 01:14:19,972 Where is the line? 1664 01:14:20,007 --> 01:14:21,491 So, it's obviously been crossed by many people 1665 01:14:21,526 --> 01:14:25,495 but for me the line would be when you look at our documents 1666 01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:27,117 and you look at our constitution, 1667 01:14:27,152 --> 01:14:32,157 North Korea, Russia, Venezuela has the exact same language, 1668 01:14:32,985 --> 01:14:34,470 go look at their constitution, 1669 01:14:34,504 --> 01:14:37,818 they have the same flowery language related to human rights 1670 01:14:37,852 --> 01:14:39,405 and all of that stuff 1671 01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:43,340 but what make us unique is the checks and balances 1672 01:14:43,375 --> 01:14:45,619 and the power diffusion 1673 01:14:45,653 --> 01:14:48,000 in the construction of the government. 1674 01:14:48,035 --> 01:14:51,728 So if Trump starts to trample on that, 1675 01:14:51,763 --> 01:14:54,386 then I'm gonna turn on him, have to. 1676 01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:58,632 You can't disrupt a 243-year experiment 1677 01:14:58,666 --> 01:15:00,599 for one dude's personality. 1678 01:15:03,913 --> 01:15:05,086 - It has now been a week 1679 01:15:05,121 --> 01:15:06,640 since the Centers for Disease Control 1680 01:15:06,674 --> 01:15:09,263 confirmed the first community transmission of coronavirus 1681 01:15:09,297 --> 01:15:10,747 in the United States. 1682 01:15:10,782 --> 01:15:12,438 - We all have personalities. 1683 01:15:12,473 --> 01:15:14,751 Some people are more dependent, 1684 01:15:15,856 --> 01:15:18,168 some people are more aggressive. 1685 01:15:18,203 --> 01:15:19,549 It becomes pathological 1686 01:15:19,584 --> 01:15:22,034 when you see the whole world through a screen 1687 01:15:22,069 --> 01:15:26,073 that makes everything fit your need. 1688 01:15:27,419 --> 01:15:32,079 - Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. 1689 01:15:33,494 --> 01:15:35,254 - [Lance] It's not just being manipulative, 1690 01:15:35,289 --> 01:15:39,431 it's a fundamental inability to not be that way. 1691 01:15:40,812 --> 01:15:44,609 - This big, vast land of ours, this great country of ours, 1692 01:15:44,643 --> 01:15:46,542 we have 240 cases. 1693 01:15:46,576 --> 01:15:49,027 Most of those people are gonna be fine. 1694 01:15:49,061 --> 01:15:51,305 - Donald Trump doesn't care about experts. 1695 01:15:51,339 --> 01:15:52,548 - [Journalist] Can you also weigh in 1696 01:15:52,582 --> 01:15:54,411 on this issue of hydroxychloroquine? 1697 01:15:54,446 --> 01:15:55,689 What do you think about this 1698 01:15:55,723 --> 01:15:56,931 and what is the medical evidence? 1699 01:15:56,966 --> 01:15:58,208 - How many times I've answered that question? 1700 01:15:58,243 --> 01:15:59,037 Maybe 15. 1701 01:15:59,071 --> 01:15:59,865 - [Journalist] Doctor. 1702 01:15:59,900 --> 01:16:00,866 - 15 times. 1703 01:16:00,901 --> 01:16:02,316 - He only cares about people 1704 01:16:02,350 --> 01:16:04,387 who will tell him what he already wants to hear. 1705 01:16:04,421 --> 01:16:06,872 He makes himself ignorant about almost everything 1706 01:16:06,907 --> 01:16:09,599 because he only wants to hear what he wants to hear. 1707 01:16:09,634 --> 01:16:11,083 - We have it so well under control. 1708 01:16:11,118 --> 01:16:12,809 I mean, view this the same as the flu. 1709 01:16:12,844 --> 01:16:14,086 When somebody sneezes, 1710 01:16:14,121 --> 01:16:17,434 I mean, I try and bail out as much as possible 1711 01:16:17,469 --> 01:16:21,093 and I haven't touched my face in weeks, in weeks. 1712 01:16:21,128 --> 01:16:21,922 - [Journalist] Mr. President, the-- 1713 01:16:21,956 --> 01:16:23,475 - I miss it. 1714 01:16:23,509 --> 01:16:26,098 - And one of the most devastating things he's been doing 1715 01:16:26,133 --> 01:16:31,069 is to emotionally train Americans not to care about others, 1716 01:16:31,103 --> 01:16:32,933 to extinguish compassion 1717 01:16:32,967 --> 01:16:35,314 and to extinguish kindness in themselves. 1718 01:16:35,349 --> 01:16:37,351 He terms it being tough. 1719 01:16:37,385 --> 01:16:40,596 - He is giving people a license to hate, 1720 01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:44,185 to provide a source of anger, to go after each other, 1721 01:16:45,221 --> 01:16:47,499 how are we all tolerating this? 1722 01:16:47,533 --> 01:16:50,778 Loyalty is not blind obedience 1723 01:16:50,813 --> 01:16:52,849 unless you're supporting a demagogue, okay? 1724 01:16:52,884 --> 01:16:55,680 And so you don't wanna ever be like that in your life. 1725 01:16:55,714 --> 01:16:58,268 - Relax, we're doing great. 1726 01:16:58,303 --> 01:17:00,995 - [Reporter] The DOW is now down nearly 900 points. 1727 01:17:01,030 --> 01:17:02,652 - [New Anchor] Economists have been ramping up 1728 01:17:02,687 --> 01:17:03,929 their projections. 1729 01:17:03,964 --> 01:17:05,828 - [Reporter] The virus spreading explosively 1730 01:17:05,862 --> 01:17:07,968 like quote, a bomb. 1731 01:17:08,002 --> 01:17:11,799 - To be president, you have to exercise good judgment 1732 01:17:11,834 --> 01:17:15,527 on behalf of the American people for their interests. 1733 01:17:15,561 --> 01:17:17,667 - They have to go back to work, our country has to go back, 1734 01:17:17,702 --> 01:17:19,876 our country is based on that. 1735 01:17:21,050 --> 01:17:23,569 I think it's gonna happen pretty quickly. 1736 01:17:23,604 --> 01:17:26,849 - It's got nothing to do with the safety of the people, 1737 01:17:26,883 --> 01:17:27,953 it's about him. 1738 01:17:27,988 --> 01:17:30,680 It's not about the country. 1739 01:17:30,715 --> 01:17:32,855 - He spent a lot of time on Twitter today 1740 01:17:32,889 --> 01:17:36,341 boasting about the excellent television ratings 1741 01:17:36,375 --> 01:17:38,861 his news conferences have received lately. 1742 01:17:38,895 --> 01:17:41,967 - We have Monday Night Football-type ratings 1743 01:17:42,002 --> 01:17:45,591 and that these are like "Bachelor" finale. 1744 01:17:45,626 --> 01:17:49,181 - He is not fit because he is unable to think, 1745 01:17:49,216 --> 01:17:51,252 he can only react and attack. 1746 01:17:51,287 --> 01:17:52,737 - What do you say to Americans 1747 01:17:52,771 --> 01:17:55,360 who are watching you right now who are scared? 1748 01:17:55,394 --> 01:17:57,086 - I say that you're a terrible reporter. 1749 01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,398 That's really bad reporting. 1750 01:17:59,433 --> 01:18:04,438 - He is unfit to be president because he cannot think. 1751 01:18:05,611 --> 01:18:06,820 - [Reporter] The U.S. is surpassing Italy 1752 01:18:06,854 --> 01:18:08,718 as the country with the most fatalities. 1753 01:18:08,753 --> 01:18:10,720 - [News Anchor] He says he wants to reopen the country 1754 01:18:10,755 --> 01:18:12,066 with a big bang. 1755 01:18:12,101 --> 01:18:15,621 - Pursuing truth is to the mind 1756 01:18:15,656 --> 01:18:17,623 like food is to the body. 1757 01:18:18,763 --> 01:18:22,594 Without pursuing truth, your psyche starves 1758 01:18:22,628 --> 01:18:26,736 and Trump's psyche has been starving for a long time. 1759 01:18:26,771 --> 01:18:28,462 - [Journalist] Say, sir, what metrics you will use 1760 01:18:28,496 --> 01:18:29,877 to make that decision? 1761 01:18:29,912 --> 01:18:31,568 - The metrics right here. 1762 01:18:31,603 --> 01:18:36,435 If we can hold that down between 100,000 and 200,000, 1763 01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:39,024 we all together have done a very good job. 1764 01:18:39,059 --> 01:18:41,302 I am very proud to be your president. 1765 01:18:41,337 --> 01:18:42,234 Thank you very much. 1766 01:18:42,269 --> 01:18:44,443 Thank you, everybody, thank you. 1767 01:18:44,478 --> 01:18:46,100 - He's detached from reality. 1768 01:18:48,585 --> 01:18:50,070 I mean, this is just demented. 1769 01:18:52,831 --> 01:18:56,007 [gentle guitar music] 1770 01:18:59,838 --> 01:19:03,773 - The founding fathers always knew that a king-like tyrant 1771 01:19:03,808 --> 01:19:06,742 would try to rule as a personal dictator 1772 01:19:06,776 --> 01:19:08,916 and use the powers of the presidency 1773 01:19:08,951 --> 01:19:11,056 to enhance or enrich himself, 1774 01:19:11,091 --> 01:19:15,095 but they never foresaw the senate the judiciary 1775 01:19:15,129 --> 01:19:17,925 might completely abdicate their responsibilities 1776 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,099 and go along with that. 1777 01:19:20,341 --> 01:19:22,758 - The natural tendency of history in many ways 1778 01:19:22,792 --> 01:19:26,520 is towards greater liberalism and altruism 1779 01:19:26,554 --> 01:19:30,455 but human nature has these competing forces, 1780 01:19:30,489 --> 01:19:31,801 and so what we're seeing now 1781 01:19:31,836 --> 01:19:36,288 is this amazing regression from where we were 1782 01:19:36,323 --> 01:19:39,533 we are literally going backwards, I think, a century or two. 1783 01:19:39,567 --> 01:19:42,985 We all have to do everything that we can do 1784 01:19:43,019 --> 01:19:48,024 because our society is at risk and we could lose it all, 1785 01:19:49,819 --> 01:19:53,650 we could lose this grand experiment in democracy. 1786 01:19:53,685 --> 01:19:55,998 I think we're more than halfway there, 1787 01:19:56,032 --> 01:19:58,483 I think people don't realize how far this 1788 01:19:58,517 --> 01:20:00,347 has actually progressed. 1789 01:20:01,831 --> 01:20:06,008 - When you're in a period of rising authoritarianism, 1790 01:20:06,042 --> 01:20:08,665 it's easy to get exhausted 1791 01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:10,633 because the news comes at you 1792 01:20:10,667 --> 01:20:15,017 like bullets from a machine gun, all of it bad. 1793 01:20:15,051 --> 01:20:18,227 One of the best weapons against authoritarianism 1794 01:20:18,261 --> 01:20:20,539 is protest in the street, 1795 01:20:20,574 --> 01:20:22,024 and protests are key 1796 01:20:22,058 --> 01:20:25,027 because not only does the leader see that he's unpopular, 1797 01:20:25,061 --> 01:20:26,545 but even more important, 1798 01:20:26,580 --> 01:20:31,240 his allies see that the public is actually against them. 1799 01:20:33,587 --> 01:20:35,278 - Think of what you tell your kids. 1800 01:20:37,591 --> 01:20:38,972 You tell them to be honest. 1801 01:20:39,006 --> 01:20:40,870 You tell them to tell the truth. 1802 01:20:40,905 --> 01:20:45,875 You tell them, don't think of yourself, don't brag. 1803 01:20:47,256 --> 01:20:48,809 don't trash other people to make yourself feel good. 1804 01:20:51,087 --> 01:20:52,778 How can you support Donald Trump? 1805 01:20:53,745 --> 01:20:55,333 How can you support somebody 1806 01:20:55,367 --> 01:20:58,923 who essentially violates all of the things 1807 01:20:58,957 --> 01:21:00,476 that we want them to follow? 1808 01:21:01,546 --> 01:21:02,409 It makes no sense. 1809 01:21:03,651 --> 01:21:07,034 It's corrosive for them, it's corrosive for you, 1810 01:21:07,069 --> 01:21:08,794 and it's corrosive for the country. 1811 01:21:10,382 --> 01:21:13,696 - This is a phenomenal, phenomenal country. 1812 01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:17,803 It's one of the most unique historical experiments 1813 01:21:17,838 --> 01:21:20,979 in the 5,500 years of recorded history. 1814 01:21:22,153 --> 01:21:25,466 We have to figure out a way to help people 1815 01:21:25,501 --> 01:21:29,091 and bring them into the new world of globalization, 1816 01:21:29,125 --> 01:21:31,610 they have to feel like they're part 1817 01:21:31,645 --> 01:21:34,717 of the aspirational success of America 1818 01:21:34,751 --> 01:21:36,063 that our parents felt. 1819 01:21:37,858 --> 01:21:41,413 - I believe at our best that we have the capacity 1820 01:21:41,448 --> 01:21:45,417 to radically reconceptualize who we are 1821 01:21:45,452 --> 01:21:49,387 and the extent to which that we can accept 1822 01:21:49,421 --> 01:21:52,045 our commonality as human beings, 1823 01:21:52,079 --> 01:21:55,393 I think therein lies the key 1824 01:21:55,427 --> 01:21:59,155 because then there's no one left to hate 1825 01:21:59,190 --> 01:22:01,675 and that's not gonna stop us from hating 1826 01:22:01,709 --> 01:22:03,090 but as Ernest Becker put it, 1827 01:22:03,125 --> 01:22:05,921 maybe we can hate stuff that we should 1828 01:22:05,955 --> 01:22:07,923 like poverty and injustice, 1829 01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:11,236 and maybe we can then use righteous indignation 1830 01:22:11,271 --> 01:22:13,652 to everybody's best interest. 1831 01:22:13,687 --> 01:22:16,276 [gentle music]