[narrator] 90-day fiancee: Happily ever after tell all no limits.
[Thais] You go to our home...
[in English]
[tearfully]
I cannot fall for these tears here
when she doesn't come say hello to me either.
[in English]
Does anything tell you that Michael is scamming
or cheating on Angela in any way?
I don't have anything.
I don't care.
[in English]
[Angela speaking]
[bleep]
[sighs]
I don't want to see these people no more ever again.
[in English]
Have we had enough time to really dig?
No, we haven't.
[Kobe in English]
[John speaking]
She's not. She's not trying to make enemies.
This is not an inviting person.
[Sophie in English]
-[Rob] To be clear... -[Sophie continues]
[bleep]
-[Rob] No. [bleep] I wasn't. -Yes, you were.
-No, I wasn't. -I showed it to you.
[Ed] Is she lying?
[in English]
-My worst thing that she found... -[Sophie speaking]
...that-- that she hadn't found
was a voice note of me saying,
"Yeah, maybe we can get lunch sometime."
-[Sophie speaking] -[Rob] Anyone--
Pull the [bleep] receipts up then.
[dramatic music playing]
-[Sophie in English] -[Rob] You would never--
You would never be interested in this girl.
I wasn't trying to take her to dinner.
I said maybe we could go to lunch.
[imitating Rob]
[Rob] I said [bleep] maybe we could go to lunch.
What the [bleep] are you talking about?
He was like I wanted more friends.
[Rob] She asked me, "Hey, maybe we could go to lunch."
And I'm like, I mean, "Sure, maybe."
And then I was like, you know what?
Even though I'm not attracted to the girl,
even you know that I wouldn't be.
-[in English] -[Rob] Stop.
-[overlapping conversation] -Oh, please, just let me say what I'm saying.
So I was being like,
"All right, maybe I'll go to lunch with the girl.
just because she's being nice
and she's inviting me to lunch.
And then I was like, "You know what?
Even though Sophie wouldn't even look at this
and think anything of it--
-I'm not going to do it. -[Sophie speaking]
[Rob] And I didn't do it.
-because I'm like I should-- -[bleep]
[Rob] Even though I was-- Even though it was on a friend level.
[Ashley speaking]
[Rob] I was not looking
-for anybody. -[Sophie] This not taking responsibility.
-[in English] -[Ashley] Oh, no, no. Not that--
[Rob] That's what it was.
That's what it was.
[Ashley speaking]
[Rob] And I get that.
I get that. But this is two years old now,
[awkward silence]
I don't follow a bunch of random women.
[in English]
[awkward silence]
[Rob speaking]
[Ashley] That's right.
[Rob speaking]
[Ashley] Right.
[in English]
Sophie, I've never wanted anyone else but you since I've seen you.
[Ashley] Ooh.
Look, it sounds great, right?
Yeah? I'm what he wants.
-[Ashley] Yeah. -I'm so lovely. I would love that.
However, can you understand how I don't feel this way?
When, for multiple years,
when we was long distance together.
He's he looks at other women sexually.
He doesn't ask me for the sexual content.
[Sophie speaking]
Like, girl! [gruffly]
-Like fitness competitions? -[Sophie speaking]
[Rob] I don't like that.
-[Sophie] He thinks I think-- -[Ashley speaking]
-[Sophie] Exactly. -[Rob] I don't like that. I don't have that.
[Sophie] I'm not being mean.
-I'm saying, I understand some guys like it. -[Rob] Just fitness.
[Rob speaking]
-[Sophie] Okay. he's weird about it anyway-- -[Rob] It's not body like--
-[overlapping conversation] -[Sophie] Robert, I'm saying my points, please.
-It's not the girls he's looking at. -[Ashley speaking]
[Sophie] I think he doesn't look--
[in English]
[Sophie] No. Look, look, look.
-When he has asked me-- -[overlapping conversation]
-When he has asked me-- -[Rob speaking]
-Robert? -And I've asked her
-I've asked her. -[overlapping conversation]
And I and I've told her what to send me.
[Sophie] Okay, we get it.
When he has asked me.
I sent it to him.
It wasn't enough.
-[Ed exclaims] -[Sophie] I would send, like, an ass pic.
He's like, "That's not enough."
I'm like, "That should be enough."
I'm your [bleep] Beyonce, but he needed more.
I'm like, and he would expect me to do things that...
[in English]
[bleep]
-It was never enough for him. -[Rob] You're telling me-- you're telling me
don't look at anything else.
We're long distance. We barely ever see each other.
But don't look at anything else.
Then ask me.
Ask me, ask me.
Then don't get mad at me when I ask you.
-Because it's not... -[Rob] Oh, I want you...
-...to do more. -...enough for you.
Because I want to see-- because I'm [bleep] craving you
and I want to see everything I can [bleep] get.
[Sophie speaking]
[in English]
[Ashley] Oh! [bleep]
[awkward silence]
[Ashley speaking]
He doesn't in person. He doesn't.
[Ashley] You guys haven't had sex
-in a long time, right? -[Sophie whispering]
[in English]
[awkward silence]
-[in English] -[Sophie] Not true, not true.
[chuckles]
[all laughing]
-[Rob] Small... [bleep] -[in English]
[imperceptible back ground conversation]
[Ashley] Because you got big 'ol [bleep]
Yeah, yeah.
[Rob speaking]
The other time? So it's more than once.
[in English]
-Okay-- -[Rob] So neither of us finished.
Neither-- It was-- I don't count that as us
-really having sex. -[Sophie] If you're having sex
and you don't finish it's still sex.
-[Rob] We literally-- -If had sex with someone right now
-but he didn't finish... -[Ashley] Okay, so you guys...
-only had sex two times. -...that's still sex.
-One and a half times in 2023. -[Rob] Right.
-The reality is, Sophie inflates. -[overlapping conversation]
[in English]
[bleep]
-[in English] -She looks at everything.
[in English]
-Okay. This is very bad. -[Rob] One and a half.
And that was only zero dates since 2023.
Okay, I'm gonna
-take a hot bath. -[Rob in English]
-[Sophie] No, wait! -[Ashley speaking]
-[Rob speaking] -[bleep]
-[Liz] Let's go. -[Ed] Yeah, let's go.
I came here to relax.
You're stressing me?
[Ashley] I don't really know who to believe.
Sophie refuses to forgive Rob.
Those hos are talking about [bleep]
that happened two, three years ago.
They're still talking about it
over and over and over and over again on repeat.
If they can't agree to let go of the past,
I don't know how they're ever gonna move forward.
[laugh quietly]
-The ball is just-- [imperceptible] -[whoops]
-Okay. -ooh!
[in English]
[chuckles]
Mmm-hmm.
Come.
[groans]
[bleep]
Comfy couch?
[in English]
[chuckles] Okay. Come let's get the stuff.
[Rob] She sits there and says
oh, you were trying to invite bitches
to go to dinner and [bleep]
The worst thing that I ever did
was ask a girl to send me more nudes,
and I acknowledge that.
Now, the rest of that [bleep] that she's trying to say
is just to win people over.
I never, ever, ever once tried to meet up
with anyone other than that.
One girl who invited me to lunch
and I-- and I responded, was like
"All right, maybe we could go to lunch."
But like, I didn't do it.
And that's where it was. That's where it ended.
-I didn't even continue to be friends -[Ashley] And that's it--
with the girl on line now.
[Rob continues]
[bleep]
[Liz] Sophie, do you have the um, the voice note?
You have the voice note where I asked this girl to dinner
and I was trying to [bleep]
-Yes. -[Rob] Then pull it up.
Pull it up, please.
I have-- It might be on my old phone.
Do it, please.
[Ashley] Sophie, I have a real question for you.
Do you-- Are you looking for, like,
an excuse to not be in the relationship?
-[Jasmine] I don't think that's an excuse. -That's what I think.
Like why do I need an excuse to not be with you?
I have many reasons.
-[Liz] Do you have the voice note? Yes or no? -Yes, of course I do.
-And so does he. -[Liz] Okay, pull it out.
So you guys don't believe the voice note is what it is?
[Liz] Oh, we just want to see it.
You keep talking about it.
You said you had it all night.
You know who will have it? I sent it to my mom.
-So she will have it. -[Rob] Pull it up.
-Pull up then. -[Sophie] She'll have it.
-Call your mom? -[Jasmine] Call mamma.
[Rob] It was an Instagram message.
-Hello. -[Sophie mom]
Okay mom, do you have that voice note
of rob asking that girl to go out with him for dinner?
Why would you not save it?
Okay.
She ain't got it either, does she?
You're lying.
Well, what you're doing is you're [bleep] manipulative.
-Hey-- -[overlapping conversation]
-Team Sophie. -Are you kidding me?
-Please. It's okay. -[Thais] Don't do it. Don't do it.
[Ashley] Just breath.
[Sophie speaking]
[bleep]
-No, you're not looking like [bleep] -You do not look like [bleep]
-I just feel like-- -You guys just look like
you're having a hard time communicating.
-Oh, yeah. -[Ashley] That's what it looks like.
I just-- You don't look like--
He [bleep] up with me.
I just want to say he [bleep] up with me.
And my mom was like,
You have to leave him or stay with him.
[in English]
-[Liz] Yes. -[Ashley] Yeah.
[sniffles]
[in Spanish]
[in English]
[in Spanish]
[in English] I don't think that Sophie believes in marriage
as much as she portrayed herself to.
[Sophie speaking]
And I'm sorry, but at the end of the day,
I didn't-- I couldn't dump him because I still love him.
[Liz] He looks like he has been trying
and you're still holding on
-to the cheating part in the very beginning. -[Sophie] No! No, no...
-[Ashley] Yeah, it's a bit confusing. -[Sophie speaking]
[in English]
[bleep]
-[bleep] -Oh, my God!
[bleep]
[Ashley laughs]
It doesn't--
-He's into-- Ha! -Ha!
[Sophie continues]
Oh, my lord!
It is an addiction.
[Sophie] I shouldn't have specified.
[Ed] Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
What kind of girls is he looking at?
-Show us now! -Show us the rece-- the receipts?
I've been asking for some type of receipt all night.
[in English]
[Ed] Okay, that's-- That what? No, you're lying.
-[Sophie laughs] No, I'm not. No, I'm not! -[Ed] You're lying.
[Sophie] No, I'm [bleep] not!
-[Sophie laughs] -[Ed] There's no way!
-[Ashley speaking] -[bleep]
[Sophie in English]
I am loosing my faith in humanity.
Please tell me this is not true.
[Sophie] I swear to you.
[Sophie speaking]
[Ashley] She is a bodybuilder.
[Sophie speaking]
[Ed] We have a saying in Arkansas.
Are you ready?
I can't with this right now.
[all chuckling]
-[all] Bye, Ed. -[laughing]
[Sophie speaking]
-[all] Yeah. -[Sophie] We have no control.
-[in English] -[Sophie speaking]
[bleep]
Like working with it?
-[Emily] Yeah. -[Sophie] Yes.
[in English]
So what was he upset about?
[in English]
Oh, God.
Oh, my God!
[Sophie] I'm being very vulnerable.
I didn't want to say that.
[Ashley] Let's go to bed. Let's call it a night.
-We have a long day tomorrow. -[Sophie] Yeah.
[Rob] Love is a hard thing.
I wanted to give her what she needed
because I acknowledged that I [bleep] up.
[in Spanish]
[Rob in English]
[Manuel in Spanish]
[in Spanish]
[in English] No problem.
[in Spanish]
[Thais] Okay. Good night.
-[Sophie] Yeah. -[Thais sighs]
Oh, my God! Too much. [chuckles]
That's just crazy.
[sighs]
-[John] What's up? -[Thais gasps]
[Patrick] John?
-What are you doing? -I'm in here.
-[Patrick] You can't just walk into our room. -What are you doing?
[John] I need a place to stay.
What do you want me to do? Sleep on the floor?
-There's plenty of-- There's plenty of room. -You're not--
-You're not-- you're not sleeping here. -I don't want to walk in
on somebody I don't know.
[Thais] Get out! [bleep]
[John] I mean, Jesus Christ.
[bleep] Disrespect everywhere I go swear to God.
[Manuel speaking]
-[in English] Oh, it's beautiful... -Yes?
-out here in the morning. -[Manuel in Spanish]
[in Spanish]
[Manuel in English] Okay.
[Patrick speaking]
[Rob speaking]
[Jasmine speaking]
[Sophie speaking]
[Ashley speaking]
[Sophie speaking]
[Ashley speaking]
[Sophie speaking]
[bleep]
Yeah. Yes.
[upbeat music playing]
[Ashley] This is the last day
for this Tell all.
[grunts]
[Ashley] We are all here
to hold people's feet to the fire.
And these men need to take accountability.
They are not taking accountability for things.
[Rob] Did not get very much sleep,
but I just kept waking up.
Even had a bad dream.
It's like my mind is just so exhausted.
[Emily speaking]
I mean, he likes to act like the sad puppy...
-[Emily] Yeah. -and I was like aw.
[Emily speaking]
I know you felt like everyone was
-Team Rob, Team Rob -[Sophie] Yeah.
but like we are Team Sophie, too.
You know, like we are here to, like,
help you guys and figure it out.
[Sophie sighs]
[Gino] I still have hope for you and Sophie.
You know, if you truly love her,
-then try to fight for it. -[man chuckles]
I mean, look at Jasmine and I, you know,
-we're kissing again. -[Kobe] Yeah
There's more like affection.
Keep it up, man.
[in English]
-[all laughing] -Did you get-- Did you get some sexy--
[in English]
[Rob] Did you get some sexy time?
[all laughing]
[Gino] Well, no, but we're making a comeback.
Taking baby steps in the right direction.
[Kobe] Did you ta--
[Rob] There you go.
[all laughing]
[Gino speaking]
[laughing]
[Gino speaking]
[Ed speaking]
[Jasmine] Yes.
[Ed] 'Cause like with Liz, I got so complete with her and--
[Jasmine] I know it must be hard for you.
It's so--
[Jasmine] You know what? And even like
you're not my favorite person.
I cannot say that we're friends.
-[Ed] What? -I can understand
how hard it was for you to see Liz.
-[Ed] Yeah. -With another person.
And I believe that you're generally happy for her.
[Ed] Um, yeah.
-That's how I feel. -And you will find your person,
-you will find your person. -[Ed] Yeah, yeah.
And now you know, that there is a lot of room for improvement.
-You have a big mouth sometimes. -[chuckles]
[Ed in English]
Yeah. [in English]
and you don't let people
to see the sweet side of you.
But when you're not being too stupid,
you're actually very kind.
And lovely.
[Ed] Yeah.
-[laughs] -[Jasmine] Okay?
That's what's gonna happen if you don't change.
-Okay? -So, like, do better. Okay.
You're so funny. Okay. I promise.
I didn't like you.
And now I don't like you either,
but I don't dislike you.
[in English]
[laughing]
Go and have breakfast.
That therapy session was fun.
[upbeat music playing]
[Patrick] I mean, the zipper broke and all.
There's nothing we can do.
[Thais speaking]
-I'm not stupid, the dress is stupid. -[in English]
I told you, I told you, remember?
I told you, be careful.
You don't have to be strong, you know.
It's a dress be...
[in English]
[Patrick] Should have just got something easier to wear.
[Liz speaking]
So excited.
[Alexei] Somebody's missing, no?
-[Gino] Michael and Angela. -Yeah
It's been pretty quiet today, hasn't it?
That's for sure.
[chuckles]
[Alexei] Today we're gonna be in the hot seat
and we're a little bit nervous.
I think the group thinks that we're kind of trying
to portray ourselves as the perfect couple all the time.
But we are not.
[Loren] We are not above anybody,
but I feel like the claws are coming out.
Like people I think are preparing for our segment.
I am nervous. I'm [bleep] nervous.
[Patrick] It's almost done.
Bam!
-[Thais] Hope it looks good. -It looks good.
-[Thais] Yeah? -[Patrick] Yeah.
Problem solved.
[in English]
Aw, man.
[Rob] All right.
Here we go.
[producer] Hey, are you ready to go.
-What are we doing? -Rock, paper, scissors,
[producer] Hi five, hi five... There you go.
-[Sophie] Um. -[producer] Grab a seat.
[in English]
-[Sophie speaking] -[producer] Grab a seat.
[Alexei] Got some changes with their seating arrangements.
[Patrick] Rob, where's your couch?
Sophie don't want to sit by me?
[Patrick] Jeez!
Yeah. Thank you.
[indistinct chatter]
[producer] All right, quiet please.
Three, two...
All right, we are back.
First off, I want to point out that Angela and Michael
are not currently with us.
Hopefully, they will join us later.
But right now,
I am going to start with Rob and Sophie.
You two were seated on one sofa.
Now you're seated in separate chairs.
What happened?
Sophie and I got into an argument last night
and today she would prefer not to sit next to me.
[Sophie] He was bad mouthing me,
which is very disrespectful because I'm his wife.
It was just very overwhelming night for me,
so I just-- I just don't want to speak to him.
Sophie, I've got to talk to Rob a lot
the last couple of days, and he's never said
anything bad about you.
To you. I've-- I've walked in on him talking about me.
-No, you've heard that people are talking. -[Sophie] Also, in front--
...about our situation.
-But that does not mean I'm talking bad about you. -This is why I have to
raise my voice because you keep interrupting me.
-I'm sorry. -Please stop.
[Rob] I don't think this actually has to do with me.
Sophie has gotten so used to being validated.
Now she's got these married couples saying,
"Hey, if you care and you want to work things out,
then you've got to go home."
I think she's struggling with that.
Again that's a complete lack of accountability.
[Rob] No, I'm always taking responsibility.
[Sophie] And then he adds a "But."
-But when I when it's not accurate-- -I did-- see a "But".
-That's a "But" right there. -when it's not accurate.
-I do this "But". -I have to say I cannot take responsibility for that.
[Patrick] Unless you're gonna forgive Rob
for everything he's done.
You guys aren't gonna go anywhere.
Rob and Sophie did you two sleep
in the same bedroom last night?
-No. -No.
Gino and Jasmine,
did you sleep in the same bed last night?
Yeah, we're making baby steps,
and we actually did sleep in the same bed.
I was so exhausted.
And I was like, 'There is no way I'm sleeping
-on the sofa again." -[Shaun] Uh-huh.
So what I did was like we created a fence
-of pillows. -[Sophie speaking]
[Rob] Yeah, I know you did.
Gino had his side and I hurt myself.
[Sophie speaking]
[Rob] I'm not.
-[Sophie] Yes, you are. -[Rob speaking]
Rob and Sophie. what are you all saying?
Oh, she's just telling me how she blocked me on everything.
What, on social media?
[Rob] Yeah.
[awkward silence]
[in English]
[dramatic music playing]
Loren, how did it feel going through that surgery?
[Loren] These are like happy tears.
I'm so proud of myself for doing it, kid.
[Manuel in Spanish]
[in English] The worst case scenario
is that you don't make it through that.
And he ends up a single father of three.
[Michael speaking]
You've always disrespected
your husband in public.
-I don't care about your opinion, Kobe. -Kobe--
-Then bring it up at the-- -[in English]
See how you're not taking up for me?
-Kobe -Tell him to hush.
[intense music playing]
[in English]
[Rob] I just find that crazy?
It's just see-- It just seems like a lose lose for me.
I don't know how I-- how to be responsible for everything.
But then also let her inflate things.
Like it's not-- It's very one sided.
It's not fair. It's unfair.
-It's been one sided this whole time. -You know it's unfair.
-That's why I'm the one who's just been trying... -I don't get--
and you've been sitting back like I got my support system.
You're just gonna have to figure out how to fix it,
and I don't have to do anything.
Please stop butting in when I speak like for once.
[Shaun] Sophie, did you tell Jasmine
that you were going to divorce, Rob?
We were speaking in the car about the situation,
and they were saying, really, that
me and Rob should-- Should be divorced.
[in English]
It's like a sympathy contest.
Like, okay, who is Team Sophie?
Who is Team Rob.
They are focusing on all thewrong things.
[in English]
Yes, stop it.
I've never had the shank to walk away from Ed.
She needs to go home
and just have the strength to do it herself.
[Sophie] And that's why I said in the car, I agree with that.
It's not about sympathy for me.
I want to work it out with her.
But I feel like the reason she's saying these things
-is for this-- -is for the sympathy.
-Is to kind of convince everyone-- -I'm just saying
what happened in our relationship.
Is to convince everyone that she is valid
for never ever coming home.
And that's just like-- What are we doing?
Rob and Sophie, we're going to give you guys
a minute, okay?
But right now we are going to move on.
And it's time now to talk to Loren and Alexei.
Over the past 10 years, they fell in love,
got married and became parents
to three beautiful children.
But they've been through as many challenges
as any other couple,
especially in the recent aftermath of Loren's
mommy makeover.
Let's take a look back and give Loren a chance
to see herself under the knife for the very first time.
[intense music playing]
[Alexei] Fact that the woman that I love
needs to feel like she's gotta do this surgery
and go under the knife to feel beautiful.
But I'm doing my best to support her.
[Dr. Dev speaking]
So sorry, guys.
Oh, my God!
[nurse] Ready for you.
-[Alexei] Yes. -All done. Good.
-[Alexei sighs in relief] Okay, I'm ready. -This way.
So I'm glad that the surgery is over.
But I'm starting to realize that the hard part is just beginning.
You're cold.
[sobbing]
[Alexei shushes]
[shivering]
[in English]
I know. She calm down. She calm down.
[Alexei] I'm very proud of you, baby.
Everything went well. The doctor said everything went well.
[bleep]
[Alexei] They're gonna hurt for while, babe. [shushes]
[in English]
[bleep]
[Alexei] What trucks? Stop talking. Relax.
Just breathe.
Thank you. [shushes]
-Where's your head? -[Loren speaking]
[Alexei] You woke up? [shushes] Relax.
[shushes]
That's it. [shushes]
Oof!
Okay, First of all, Loren, some of those shots were like, whoo!
To see that, like...
I can't believe I did it.
And these... these are... these are, like, happy tears,
because I've wanted this for so long.
I'm so proud of myself for doing it, really.
But to see what I put, like, my family through,
what I put-- It's hard.
Alex, what were you thinking as you saw Loren going through that surgery?
Like, I was sitting outside...
And I glimpsed at him a few times,
but I couldn't even look at it.
[Rob] Can I say, um, so when watching that,
I was super nervous for you, Loren,
and I was also really nervous for Alex,
because the worst-case scenario
is that you don't make it through that,
and he ends up a single father of three.
And that... And I just was struggling with, is it worth it?
That was kind of selfish of me because I didn't even think of that, to be honest.
That-- I was thinking about that.
[Loren] No, I didn't even think of that.
No, I thought about that, too.
When you said, "I'm glad I woke up," I was, like...
started to cry. Like, I get fearful of getting on a plane
now that I'm a mom.
Yes, it changes.
Manuel, do you think that Loren put too much on Alex?
[in Spanish]
[Ashley in English] I fully disagree with that,
and I also disagree with
her putting too much on Alexei.
I think single moms
are out here doing this work all the time by themselves.
And Alexei probably became a better father
throughout the experience,
because he was able to see more
of what she does on a regular basis.
And now, both of you know that you can do hard things.
Like, harder things than you've done before.
And when you do become a mom, it really is true that you do lose yourself.
Kobe goes to work. I'm with them all day long.
You lose yourself. You forget.
"Oh, okay, I need to take ten min for myself and go outside."
So, like, no, I'm very proud of you, because you did it for you.
And I think every mom needs to do something for themselves.
Like, you're getting emotional and I'm gonna get emotional.
My hormones are all out of whack still, so...
-That's part of the recovery. [chuckles] -[Emily speaking]
[Alexei speaking]
He is an amazing dad.
Any single moment that I have free, I'm with my kids, and I love it.
But when you don't have any single moment
to be free of the kids at all,
and you cannot even go get a haircut,
it's... it's hard.
Well, that's how a lot of moms feel.
That was just kind of my point.
And, yeah, and, you know, I mean, it was very hard.
Yeah, it was very hard.
-Loren, I have to say you look fantastic. -Thank you.
How are you feeling? How has your body healed from the surgery?
I'm finally starting to feel good.
-I'm still learning to accept it. -[Shaun] Mm-hmm.
Um...
When you say "accept it," what do you mean?
Well, you know, I wanted a little bit more.
-You wanted a little bit more... -Va-va-voom.
-[laughs] -[Shaun] Okay.
So, you want more, you want...
-Jasmine? Do you want-- -[Loren] No, no, I respect--
-No, no, no. -[Shaun laughs] Do you want to get--
Not even Thais.
I just want a little bit of definition.
[Shaun] Okay, do you mind...
I want you to stand up and just show where everything was.
[Loren] Okay. [laughs]
So, I did a tummy tuck,
um, right where the C-sections were.
So I have a scar from here to here.
And then I have a scar here, where my old belly button was,
and he created a new one.
-[Shaun] He created a whole new belly button? -Just...
-Yeah. -Brand-new.
-[Loren] Just a little one. -[Shaun] Brand-new. Okay.
-A little belly button. -Brand-new belly button. Yes.
Um, and then I did a 360 lipo for my chin,
my arms, my upper back, lower back and my thighs,
and then he injected them here.
[chuckles]
[Shaun] Okay.
Wow, that's a surgery.
-Yeah. -[Shaun] That is a surgery.
Jasmine, would you go through all of that?
-Oh, yes. -[all laughing]
-[Shaun] Oh, yeah. Yes. -[Jasmine] Oh, yes.
-[chuckles] -[Ashley] I love it.
-Thank you. -[Ashley] I'm... I'm pro
-whatever makes you feel good. -Thank you.
I want new boobs,
trying to get him on board.
[Shaun] Manuel, if Ashley said,
"Okay, I wanna go get a complete makeover,"
how would you feel about that?
Uh... [clears throat]
[in Spanish]
-Oh. -[laughs]
-[Thais in English] What?
What are you talking about?
You mean for breast feeding?
-For nursing? -[Ashley] Yes.
Oh!
Are you just talking about the baby, Manuel?
[both laugh]
[in Spanish]
-[all laughing] -[Alexei in English]
[Ed] Oh, my God.
All right, so, Gino,
-you have already been through this with Jasmine. -Mm.
You know, how did you feel when she said, "I want to go bigger?"
Well, I mean, honestly, personally,
I don't think she needs any surgery.
That's my opinion.
And, you know, but if she really wants to do it,
-you know, I support her. -Oh, thank you.
Oh, my God.
What would you like to retouch?
I'm not happy with my waist.
-Oh. -[Jasmine continues]
What?
Alex, you said that Loren's job
is to take care of the babies,
the house, and you...
Somebody disagree.
I do.
I have an issue with it.
[in Spanish]
[in English] Are you hoarding money for a safety net?
[clears throat]
[whispering]
Are you?
Oh.
[Jasmine] I would like to do that.
Loren, you look like you're in shock.
-You are beautiful. -[indistinct chatter]
Breaking your ribs, that's a lot.
If there's a lot of risk, it would worry me.
[Jasmine] Yeah, I wanna make my waist tinier,
with breaking up my ribs.
And I want to get bigger butt implants.
And since I'm going to be under anesthesia,
I would like to maybe
get a little bit bigger on my breasts.
-[exhales] -[Patrick] That's too far.
-[Rob] I think that's too far all right. -I mean, broken ribs?
-[Rob] That is too far. -Yeah, too far, right?
-[Emily] Jasmine, you're so beautiful. -You look so beautiful.
-You look like a princess. -[Emily] You are beautiful.
You do not need to break your ribs.
I know. But when I was looking at your segment,
I feel so identified,
because the moment I look at myself in the mirror,
I immediately start looking for, like,
"Okay, these are the things that I have to fix. I hate this."
-You've talked about body dysmorphia before. -[Jasmine] Yes.
And, Loren, let me talk to you about that.
Um, did the surgery help you with that?
Yes and no.
Body dysmorphia just doesn't go away overnight.
You have to work on it.
There are times when I've looked in the mirror,
and I'm like, "I look like Frankenstein."
-Like, I remember, like... -[Shaun] Hmm.
...three weeks post-surgery,
I just looked and I... I lost it.
Because it's definitely a lonely mental and emotional journey
if you don't know somebody who's done the exact same thing.
While Loren was proceeding with her mommy makeover,
her own mother had some concerns about the procedure.
Now that time has passed, let's bring her on
to hear if she thinks the procedure was worth it in the end.
Connecting remotely from Florida,
please welcome Loren's mom, Marlene.
-Hi, Marlene. -[laughs]
Hi, Shaun. How are you?
I'm fantastic. How are you doing?
Great. [chuckles]
Marlene, seeing how things turned out with the surgery,
are you still against the fact that she went ahead with it?
I am not for elective surgeries.
Well, Marlene, Loren says she wants bigger boobs.
[exhales heavily]
Well, Loren should work her boobs out then, because...
[scattered laughing]
...again, if her husband's happy, she should be happy.
But now, I would ask her this...
Knowing that there's not a guarantee
to have the results you want,
why would you even think about having more surgery?
I'm not quite there with, like, happiness yet.
But there's no guarantee you will be.
True. Only time will tell.
Alex, how do you feel hearing her say that she wants more?
All right, so, when we went through with this first surgery,
we decided or agreed upon
that it will be a one-time thing.
And now, it seems like it's not gonna be,
or, at least, she's not happy with it.
But I didn't want her to change too much.
Like, that's why the breasts, also, I didn't want them to get too big.
And I told him, "Don't touch her butt, I told him, "Don't touch..."
-[laughs] -Like, "Don't touch too much," like...
"Don't touch her butt." That was his one rule.
"Don't touch that." [laughs]
-Yeah, 'cause they were looking for fat. -[laughs]
-[scattered laughing] -[Alexei] You know?
[Alexei speaking]
Alex, were you concerned that she would change
not only physically,
-but mentally, emotionally? -Mentally?
Not then.
But, later on, little by little, kind of.
-Yeah, maybe a little bit. -Tell me about that.
I don't know. Like, as she started feeling
more and more confident and stuff,
she wanted more things.
She wanted a new career,
she wanted another surgery, and it kind of spiraled.
Felt for me like she's spiraling.
Well, Alex had a very difficult time,
as he said, "carrying the burden" during Loren's recovery.
And when she revealed she wanted to branch out
from being a stay-at-home mom, to being a working mom,
his response was not what Loren was expecting.
Here's an extended look back at that day.
[Loren] And I had the surgery
and I got it done and over with,
and now, I do want to kind of
to get back into advertising and marketing,
and really focus on that and pursue it.
-What are you trying to say? -I hope that--
I want to be a working mom.
-I want you to be proud of me. -Um...
I'll be proud of you when you take care of the home
and be a great mom to our kids and a good wife to me.
-That's what I'm proud of... -I already am.
...not your career.
Why not? You'll be my cheerleader.
-I would cheer you on-- -Loren.
I'm just saying...
I'm just saying that I'm not gonna be your [bleep] cheerleader, okay?
And that's, like, already crossing the line for real.
"Cheerleader." Go [bleep] and cheer yourself.
What do you mean? Support system.
None. Any man in the world
that respects himself and his manhood,
don't want his wife to tell him, "Come be my cheerleader."
I didn't like the surgery idea,
and still you went with it.
Now I went through two months of barely surviving,
and now you're telling me another thing.
Because when I say something that is... I'm against and you still do it,
that's... that's, in my eyes,
putting your priority, which is me, to the side.
[Shaun] Whoa, Alex.
-[Alexei] Mm-hmm? -[Shaun] Um...
You said that Loren's job
is to take care of the babies, the house, and you.
-Well, I mean, it's part of her job, yes. -[sniffles]
[Alexei] I mean, somebody disagree.
Why did you have such an issue with the term "cheerleader"?
[Alexei] That whole dinner started with
she got a new dress, she dressed up for me,
she put on heels, and she said, "Let's go for a date night."
And, in my mind, I said, "Oh, finally she sees me.
She's doing something for me, for us."
And then it wasn't for that.
It was to tell me that now she wants to branch out
and start a career, and I just felt like I...
I'm completely ignored, and...
It wasn't the "cheerleader." It was the timing of it.
And so, that was the reaction.
I'm not necessarily proud of it,
but it is what it is.
[Liz] I wasn't expecting that to be his explanation.
That's a very valid reason.
-I... I respect it. -[Thais] Yeah.
I think he was caught off guard.
I think he was caught off guard by the situation.
Does anybody think that Alex came across as chauvinistic?
I do. I do have an issue.
I have an issue with it.
I don't. Alex, I'm old school, too.
Like, I'm afraid of the traditional family being eroded.
If you're committed to having kids,
you kind of have to be committed to raising kids, basically.
[Loren] Yeah.
Like, that was the first time, by the way,
that I felt clothes on my skin.
I didn't have my faja on, or my girdle or anything--
Right, I was thinking maybe finally I'll get, you know...
-Could barely move. And that's what he's thinking about. -Lucky or something.
-[Loren] My God. -Lucky.
[laughing]
I don't have a problem with her
bringing in money and support,
as long as, you know, as long as she can combine
being a mom, and a wife to me,
which, in my eyes, are first priority.
-I'm glad to hear that. -[Alexei] I don't have a problem with that.
These traditional values, they're not bad.
-[Jasmine] Exactly. -We don't want anything bad.
We want a good a family
where a wife can rely on the husband,
the husband can rely on the wife,
and the kids can rely on both their parents, and that's it.
But then, the other half has to help at home.
It can't just be on one.
Yeah, and I'm not saying it's all on her.
-You know... you know me... -[Marlene] No, no.
-You know what's going on at home. -Let me tell you something.
Knowing Loren, as strong as she is,
when she felt a little better because she can't sit still,
she said, "Okay, I'm going to do a load of laundry."
"Oh, I feel okay. I'm gonna do another load of laundry,
and maybe I'll empty the dishwasher."
I also felt an immense amount of guilt.
Not just mom guilt, but wife guilt and just guilt overall,
because I put him and my family and my kids
through so much,
that I wanted to help out.
The fact that Loren feels guilty
because Alex had to do all of this,
even for a limited amount of time,
is, I want to say unwarranted,
because a husband, the partner, or whoever,
should help anyway.
It can't always be on Mom.
-Yeah, it's not like I didn't do-- -Absolutely.
Didn't do dishes or clean or change all the diapers back-- Whatever.
Take them to school, pick them up from the school.
But you didn't know how to use the washing machine, right?
-No. That is one thing I never did. -[Loren] He still doesn't.
I don't know how to use the washing machine.
[indistinct chatter]
Dishwasher, I know.
Everything about the kids, I know.
-But the washing machine, I don't know how to use. -[chuckles]
[laughs]
[Marlene] Let me tell you something.
Every now and then,
I see that alpha male rear its head,
and that's when I want to slap him upside his head...
-[scattered laughing] -...because she can't do it all by herself.
The alpha male thing is... there's nothing wrong with it.
I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
Ooh, that got a little squirm from Loren.
[suspenseful music playing]
I mean...
Angela, Michael, I'm so glad y'all came back.
Angela, you've always disrespected your husband in public...
See how you're not... Tell him to hush.
Then bring it up at the--
I don't care.
So, you were more interested in a postnup
than filing his paperwork?
Please do not say that I was not interested
in filing this man's paperwork,
because, again, we are both losing money
because his paperwork is not filed.
Were you more interested in the postnup?
You're not picking up what I'm putting down.
[dramatic music playing]
The alpha male thing is... there's nothing wrong with it.
I mean...
It's like, "I'm above you.
I am the alpha and... and I'm in charge."
There are times when the alpha male comes out...
I mean, I don't disagree, it comes out,
but I am not submissive
in any way, shape or form to him.
We're both very strong, but, you know,
and that's why it's hard for us, sometimes, to get along.
I think when he says that, it might mean
"I want to be the provider.
I'm the protector."
-[Alexei] Protector, for sure. -Uh-huh.
Provider, I don't have a problem for her to provide, either.
I don't want her to be a super career woman
that goes on trips and leaves me behind with the kids.
My family will always be my priority,
but I do want to find a little bit more of Loren again,
instead of just Mommy for the last few years.
Okay. Loren, are you two officially done having kids?
[chuckles]
-Well, I'm not pregnant, so don't freak out. -[Shaun] Okay.
Um, I... I have baby fever.
Even after the surgery, I really have baby--
[Loren laughing] Surprise.
And I... I don't.
-Isn't that crazy? -Like, after going through those few months, I don't.
[Shaun] Alex, you don't want any more kids.
-Three is it for you? -Right now, for sure not.
Well, if I woke up and God said, "You will look like this,"
I would go through with another pregnancy.
But, I don't think that's going to happen.
Okay. But what about up top?
Do you think you're gonna get that?
Well, if I was pregnant,
-they would grow, so... You know? -[all laughing]
Yeah, that's true.
[Shaun] You could always go that route,
at least for those nine months, huh?
-[laughing] Yeah. -[Shaun] Okay.
Marlene, it has been a pleasure speaking with you today.
Thank you so much for participating.
-We really appreciate it. -Thank you.
-Bye, Mom. -[Shaun] Loren and Alex, thank you for being
so open and honest about your relationship.
We wish you nothing but the best
for you and your family.
-Thank you. -Thank you.
Okay, everybody, five-minute break.
[indistinct chatter]
[Michael speaking]
[Angela speaking]
[Michael speaking]
Oh, my God, they're back!
Oh, my God, they're here.
[Ashley] Hey, girl.
-Hey, you missed us. -[Angela] Yeah.
-Hi. -[Angela] How are you?
-Amigo! -[Loren] Hi, Angela.
Come here, man.
[Shaun speaking]
Hi, Shaun. [chuckles] You scared me.
[indistinct chatter]
[Shaun] We are joined again by Angela and Michael.
I'm so glad y'all came back.
[tearfully]
I'm really here for you, Shaun, number one,
and the... and the ladies,
because it's not fair that I always leave.
You know what I mean?
-[woman] We appreciate that. -[Angela] I haven't gave them none support.
-Really appreciate that. -[Angela] And I apologize.
Angela, you have always disrespected your husband in public.
-Every single place. -Okay.
-Okay. Well, that's your opinion. -[Kobe] And it's just...
-That's your opinion. -[Kobe] Maybe that has--
-[sighs heavily] -[bleep]
See how you're not taking up for me?
-Tell him to hush. -Kobe.
-I don't want to fight with nobody. -Don't worry, no.
-[Angela] I just want to be here for y'all. -Then bring it up at the--
[Shaun] Jasmine, you wondered if Manuel
might be pocketing the money that Ashley gives him.
I just hope he's not saving it for, like, a safety net,
-just in case things don't work out. -[Shaun] Okay.
Are you?
[whispering]
Are you hoarding money for a safety net?
[clears throat]
See how you're not taking up for me?
-Tell him to hush. -Kobe.
-I don't want to fight with nobody. -Don't worry, no.
-[Angela] I just want to be here for y'all. -Then bring it up at the--
-I don't care about your opinion, Kobe. -Kobe. Kobe.
-Kobe. -I don't care.
-It's your opinion. -[Michael] Kobe, don't...
-It's okay, please. -We're really none of your business.
[Michael] Please, Kobe. Okay?
Angela, you did miss the part
where the private investigator
said he did not find one single thing on Michael,
and this was the private investigator that you hired.
He's not scamming you, and I think that's really good.
But, listen, he only had two weeks to investigate.
I don't know his social medias that he had behind my back.
I told you, I don't have any social media.
I know. I know.
[Michael speaking]
But, Angela, you know what?
-Yes. -[Rob] Yeah.
[Jasmine speaking]
[Shaun] All right, let's move on.
Now, we're going to speak to Ashley and Manuel.
Ashley and Manuel, are you ready to get into it?
-[Shaun] Okay, um, Manuel... -[both laughing]
...on a scale of one to ten, how is your English?
Uno. One.
-[all laughing] -[Ashley] I would agree.
I would agree.
Ashley, on a scale of one to ten?
-One. I would agree. -[Shaun] One? Okay.
All right, so you're not that happy
with how his English is coming along?
Oh, no, I'm not happy at all.
So, Manuel, how come you aren't putting in
as much work learning English
as Ashley did learning Spanish?
[in Spanish]
[Ashley in English] But the thing about it is, like,
his version of learning it is,
putting his air buds in, and, like, taking a nap.
I'm not even joking.
Like, we're not practicing it, we're not speaking it out loud.
Like, none of it is happening.
The reality is that Manuel is just too comfortable...
-[Thais] Yeah. -...where he is.
[in Spanish]
-[in English] I mean, I-- [clears throat] -I wanted to learn.
-I helped her learn English-- -[Manuel] Exactly.
He didn't help me.
-I went to school. -[Manuel] Exactly, exactly.
-You did. You went to school. -[in Spanish]
-[Thais in English] I went to school. -No, she went to school.
And also, I wanted to.
Yeah, but hold on a second. Manuel, do you want to work in this country?
-[in Spanish] -[Ed] Si?
[in English] Did you know if you learned English,
you'll be more valuable to the workforce being bilingual?
I think you're, honestly, I think you're being lazy.
You're being lazy, and you're not a ten-year-old kid.
I don't think it's being lazy. It's fear.
There is a fear of not understanding,
feeling uncomfortable.
That learning process is so tough.
-There's a lack of motivation. -[Jasmine] It's difficult.
-Yes. -Yes. And why there is lack of motivation?
Because there is not a need.
-You're always translating for him. -I am.
He doesn't have the need.
I think you should, like, just stop translating everything.
[in Spanish]
Um, so, Ashley, important.
Is he qualified to work in the US?
-His paperwork is in process currently. -[Ed] Okay, that's-- Okay.
-So, hopefully, this year. -'Cause that's his motivation to learn the language,
so he can help support his family
-with his responsibilities. -[Ashley] That's--
-So, it is being lazy... -[Ashley] Exactly!
-...because he already has the motivation... -While we're waiting
for this paperwork,
we could be learning the language.
There are so many things he could be doing that's productive.
-He wants to help his family so much... -[Angela] So many things.
[Liz] You got to do it.
So he should be doing that.
[Jasmine in Spanish]
[Shaun in English] All right, I have another topic that I want to move on to.
Ashley's family has long been suspicious
of the money being sent to Manuel's family.
Let's bring them out here to see what they think is really happening.
Please welcome Ashley's cousin, Jasmine,
and her sister C.C.
[Thais] Hello.
-Hi. -Love the hairs.
Oh, my God.
-[Thais] Beautiful hair. -[Jasmine] Wow. Like a mermaid.
[Thais] Wow.
Thank you so much for joining us.
-Thanks for having us. -[Shaun] You all look just so much alike there.
-[Ashley] Yeah. Don't we? -[both chuckling]
[Shaun] Uh, Jasmine, you wondered
if Manuel might be pocketing the money
that Ashley gives him.
What do you think he's saving it up for?
That's the thing. I'm not really sure,
because he's so private,
and he doesn't really let her know, like,
what he needs the money for.
I just hope he's not saving it
for an ulterior motive.
That's what I'll say.
You're thinking that there might be something bigger
that he's stashing this money away for.
[Jasmine 2] I do, like a safety net,
just in case things don't work out.
Wow.
Are you?
[softly]
Are you hoarding money
for a safety net?
[Manuel clears throat]
Um...
[speaking in Spanish]
[tense music playing]
He is not motivated to do a goddamn thing, okay?
It is all on my back.
Hold on.
Can I buy him a shovel
for all the [bleep] that he's talking about?
He's making you the problem.
And stop threatening to go back to Ecuador.
[Loren] Hey, I wish you the best of luck.
-[Alexei] Bye. -[Liz] Bye.
It was so nice meeting you.
-I love you so much. -[Jasmine] Nice to meet you.
So I got two half-assed hugs, but I appreciate it.
Excuse me?
Excuse you.
Are you out of your mind?
[tense music playing]
[in Spanish]
[Emily chuckles]
[Ed chuckles]
Huh.
[in Spanish]
[in English] Yes.
[in Spanish]
-[in English] Yeah. -[in English] Yeah.
He does like to collect coins.
It kind of drives me up the goddamn wall.
That is a Latino thing, Ashley.
-Is that a Latino thing? -[Patrick speaking]
Literally just organizing
all of his coins,
and I can't put my coins in his area,
'cause they're his coins.
I will go to the gym, and I will come back,
and he'll be in the same spot organizing those coins.
You know how much English could have been studied
-in that time? -[Jasmine] I know.
-[in Spanish] -[Ashley speaking in Spanish]
[chuckles]
-Oh, my. -[Kobe chuckles]
[Ashley speaking in English] Because I'm paying the rent, Manuel.
I'm literally paying all of the bills.
[Shaun] Ashley, does that contribute
to your frustration
that when Manuel is having these conversations,
he is being kind of funny about it?
A lot of things contribute to my frustration, Shaun.
A lot. A lot of it.
I think my biggest thing is, like,
your girl just wants to be included, okay?
If there's something going on with Mama,
let me know what's going on with Mama.
Let me know what's going on with the boys.
I am still frustrated
that we've been married now over a year,
and I don't know those boys.
[Angela] No, you need to know them.
You're sending money there.
-Right! -[Angela speaking]
-I'm sending money to people that I haven't even met. -[Thais] Yeah.
And you have all the right to meet them.
[Jasmine] Manuel...
[speaking in Spanish]
[Ashley clears throat]
[Ashley speaking in English]
[Ashley] Right.
That's why I'm concerned about the money.
Is he hoarding the money to go back secretly?
[Ed] But he's not even learning English.
When does this get serious enough
for you, Ashley,
where you say, "That's enough?"
[Ashley] I... I am hoping
that when the paperwork is done being processed
and he gets his worker's permit,
that maybe that will, like,
help motivate him.
Thais, do you have your green card
and your work permit?
-[Thais speaking] -Yeah.
-Just got. -Well, she got her work permit super fast.
-[Emily] That's what I'm saying. -[Ashley] That's what I heard.
-The work permit was really fast. -Yeah, when did you file it?
-Did you wait a while? -Recently, recently.
And why did-- why was there a delay
in filing his paperwork?
[in English] Exactly, exactly!
-Because-- No, no, not exactly. -[in Spanish]
Not exactly, not exactly.
No, this is-- No, this is why. This is why.
No, no, no.
This is why there was a delay.
-Because-- -[in English] Exactly.
Because I did the K-1 by myself.
He gets here.
We're a bit busy getting him all adjusted
and all of that stuff.
I am running a whole entire business,
working on my own weight loss journey,
lost 100 pounds by my damn self.
And then he is not motivated
-to do a goddamn thing, okay? -[chuckles]
[Ashley] It is all on my back.
So the reason why it took so long was
because I finally buckled down and got a lawyer.
Because I was recognizing
that I did not have the time to do this.
And I'm stubborn, just like him,
so it took me a while to get there.
The vacation is over,
and stop threatening to go back to Ecuador.
[Ashley] Because you're not getting your way.
[in Spanish]
[Ed] Can-- Can I-- Hold on.
Can I buy him a shovel
for all the [bleep]
that he's talking about?
He's making you the problem.
Right.
[Ed] And when he gets mad,
he stomps his feet
and goes, "I'm going back to Ecuador."
You're creating...
this problem.
I actually sent Manuel papers, like,
an agency, actually.
I sent him an agency
that could help him get his work papers
so he can, you know, take the responsibility.
'Cause I knew that Ashley was overwhelmed. So--
How did you feel about that, Ashley?
Did you have any issue
-with C.C. sending Manuel that information? -Yes.
I think that we needed to handle it as a couple.
I was thinking about you in the moment.
I appreciate that,
but I think the immigration process is
a long and sensitive one,
and I think that should be handled as couples.
-And we got a lawyer. -[Loren speaking]
Then take the help. [chuckles]
[Loren] Take the-- [speaking]
We got the help. We got a lawyer.
I think Ashley's upset
because we haven't been talking.
Our communication has slowed down.
And, you know, I think
Manuel is really good
at sweet-talking his way around things.
And if you're not willing
to be transparent with my sister,
then you don't deserve her.
And, like, Manuel being so secretive and sneaky,
it just makes it feel like
he's got other, you know, motives.
[softly]
[Manuel sniffles]
[speaking in Spanish] [in English] It's okay.
[Manuel sniffles]
[Ashley] It's okay.
-Respirar. - [Manuel sobs]
[speaking in Spanish]
[in Spanish]
[tense music playing]
At one point in time,
you just didn't prioritize the fact
that he needed to get those documents.
[Patrick] It doesn't take that long.
It probably took, at most, like 20 hours.
[in English] Exactly.
-Exactly. -[in English] Yeah.
[tense music playing]
[Manuel sniffles]
[Thais] Why he's crying?
[Ashley speaking in Spanish]
[Manuel sniffles]
Manuel, what has gotten you so upset?
[Manuel sniffles]
[in Spanish]
[in English] But the thing about it is it's like,
he can also prioritize his paperwork, too.
He doesn't speak English though.
[Ashley] Yeah, but I was like, why don't you do some research
on the paperwork that's needed?
Did that happen?
No, I did it.
And on top of that,
as far as like going to the gym and all that,
I do that [bleep] to stay [bleep] sane.
Four hours a day is a lot.
[Ashley] We are all sacrificing here.
It's over [bleep] whelming.
And then I literally--
No, I don't think anybody sees
-how much I'm doing. -[Angela speaking]
No, I mean, I did just as much as you did.
I just don't talk about it.
Now, I feel like, at one point in time,
you just didn't prioritize the fact
that he needed to get those documents.
[Patrick] It doesn't take that long.
It does not take a year.
It does not take, like--
It probably took, at most, like, 20 hours.
[in English] Exactly. Exactly.
[Shaun] Okay, let's move on for now.
I want to discuss the issue surrounding finances.
With confusion mounting over the missing money,
Ashley's family suggested
she and Manuel talk to a lawyer
about a post-nuptial agreement.
But that meeting exposed even more surprises.
Take a look.
[Schmitt] It's important to understand,
in a marriage,
you're entitled to half of his savings,
and he's obligated to pay for half of your debts.
He also inherited my student loan debt.
-You know what I mean? -[Schmitt] Well, he didn't, though.
That's typically separate property.
How much student loan debt do you have?
-About $100,000. -[Schmitt] Yeah.
[in Spanish]
[Kobe laughing]
[Manuel speaking]
I don't have to pay any of that.
-[Ashley] It's-- -[Schmitt] No, you don't have to pay it.
It's her responsibility.
[Manuel speaking off-screen]
[Ashley] Okay, we agreed to send
the $300 to the family.
[woman] What about the $1,000 before?
I mean, from my understanding, it's still in the bank, right?
-[speaking Spanish] -[in English] Yes.
[Ashley speaking in Spanish]
[woman] What'd he say?
[woman 2] That, he don't have it.
That's why he keeps saying, "Why".
He done took your money...
-[in English] Manuel-- Mom, hold on. -...and he done gave it away.
[Manuel speaking]
[Ashley speaking in Spanish]
[in English] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[Ashley] With my money?
-With my money, Manuel? -[in English] Yeah.
[woman] What did he say?
[Ashley] Manuel continues to lie to me.
He said that he spent the money
-to pay for his debts in Ecuador... -[speaks Spanish]
...after he's been bitching about my student loan debt.
[dramatic music playing]
-[Sophie] Wow. -[Angela] Oh, goodness.
[all laughing]
Yeah, you were like, too much.
Manuel, first of all, do you remember
everything you said that evening?
-No? Okay. All right. -[faint laughter]
So did you guys, like, discuss finances
-before you got married? -No.
-I'm going to go full transparency. No. -[speaking Spanish]
We should have talked way more
about all of it.
-We should have made a plan. -Oh.
[in spanish]
Oh.
-[Liz] You don't tell her anything. -But you don't tell her.
Right.
-[Liz] That is your wife. -[Manuel speaks Spanish]
She is help providing for your family
and your sons,
and you hide everything from her.
But you made it very clear
that your life is private
and hers is an open book to yours,
and that pisses me off
because this woman takes care of you,
she takes care of your kids.
[Manuel speaking]
Jasmine and C.C., do you think
it's hypocritical for Manuel
not being willing to share
in repaying the student loan debt?
I think it's hypocritical
because he's asking her to send money back home
to take care of his family.
And I think that he can also help her
with her student loan debt.
-That's not fair to say. -[Ashley] No, it's not fair to say.
That's really not fair to say.
[Ashley] How am I supposed to worry
about $3,000 in credit card debts
that you have in Ecuador
when I'm paying for the whole house,
I'm clearly paying your child support?
[Ashley] Okay, I could have done
the paperwork earlier, Manuel. You are right.
Now what are you going to take accountability for?
You could have learned English earlier
because you knew you were coming here years ago.
[C.C.] Mmm. Yeah.
I'm trying to figure something out.
So...
you were more interested in a postnup
than filing his paperwork?
-Listen-- -[Patrick] 'Cause, like,
that's a lot of work to go through
-and see a lawyer and all that stuff. -[Ashley] Right.
And Patrick,
-so let me tell you again very clearly. -I'm just--
I understand that maybe in your specific situation,
you had more experience, you had more time,
you had more money, you had more energy.
But I have a different experience.
[Ashley speaking]
But-- But you were going to a postnup.
But again, the paperwork is in process.
So please do not say
that I was not interested
in filing this man's paperwork,
because again, we are both losing money
because his paperwork is not filed.
Were you more interested in the postnup?
You're not picking up what I'm putting down.
[Kobe chuckles]
-Oh, I'm picking it up. -[Ed speaking]
Yeah, I mean.
Kobe, you also came here without a job,
and you did your paperwork, not your wife.
-Yeah. -[Ashley] It all comes back
to being on my back,
because he could have done the same exact thing
or learned English,
but what are we doing?
We're watching streaming services in Spanish.
[in English]
You have to want to want these things.
My sister's a busy person.
And one thing she's asking you to do is man up
and, like, do what you need to do.
[C.C. speaking]
Manuel,
we saw you threaten
-to leave the marriage... -Again. Again. Second time.
[Shaun] ...if Ashley didn't keep giving you money
for your family.
Have you decided...
that you are going to stay in this marriage
no matter what?
[in Spanish]
Yes or no?
You're a man. Yes or no?
-[Liz] No. -[in English] Maybe?
No, no, no, no, no.
[in English] Once you are given a green card,
you get your independence.
[Kobe] That's true.
A lot of Americans use it
to control their partners.
[Gino] No, I didn't.
-That is so selfish. -[Gino speaking]
[bleep] summer, Gino. [bleep] summer.
[dramatic music playing]
[suspenseful music playing]
[in Spanish]
-[Liz] No. -[in English] Maybe?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
-[Ed] Maybe? -Maybe?
She's paying your child support
and it's a "maybe"?
[Liz] That's probably the worst answer
-[chuckling] you could have given. -[Ashley] Maybe?
[Liz] I know you'll never not help take care of the kids.
You'll fully support the kids.
The kids don't deserve any of this.
-Of course I'm going to help taking care of the kids. -Exactly.
I just feel like you need more answers,
and he needs to be more open
with his life back there.
I already feel bad enough
that I took their [bleep] dad away.
Like, that, like, I don't think
he realizes how guilty I feel over that.
So I look like the [bleep] ass[bleep].
And now you want to sit here
and say [bleep] "maybe"?
Now you want to sit here and say "maybe"?
-[bleep] -[Manuel speaking]
[C.C.] I just don't understand,
like, why did you get married to my sister
if you weren't...
If you can't say yes, you're committed,
like, I'm just confused.
[Shaun] Ashley,
do you feel that Manuel is committed to the marriage?
[Ashley] I hope Manuel is committed to the marriage.
You know, I want him to be happy here,
and I want us to be able to figure it out
so that he can go back and forth,
because [sniffles] it's been a while, [voice breaking] you know?
And then there's kids involved, too,
on top of us...
figuring it out as a married couple.
So it's very layered,
and it's just hard.
-[sniffles] -[Shaun] Okay.
Phew, that was rough.
That was really rough.
Um, Jasmine and C.C.,
thank you for joining us here today
and providing your insight.
Uh, we really appreciate it.
Thank you so much. Take care.
-Thanks for having us. -You're welcome. Thank you.
-[Ashley] Love you guys. -[C.C.] Love you.
[Shaun] Ashley, Manuel,
we certainly know
that there is a lot of love between the two of you,
and we hope you're able to work on trusting each other
and strengthening your marriage.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Shaun.
[in English] Thank you.
Well, we have reached the end
of 90 Day Fiance: Happily Ever After?
Tell All: No Limits.
I'm Shaun Robinson.
I will see you next time,
and have fun at the house, guys.
-Thank you. -[all cheering]
-[woman whoops] -[faint laughter]
-[Patrick] All right. -[Gino grunts]
[Ashley] That was a rough one.
Is Manuel perfect? Absolutely not.
I think we know that.
But like, it takes two to tango.
We are still getting to understand
how one another works.
Hard lesson this weekend, but I'm receiving it.
[tense music playing]
Don't you think Ashley should have filed
his paperwork a year ago?
-I know he needs to learn English... -Yeah, I know.
-Yeah. -[Emily] 100%.
But, like, I think, like, Patrick
and Kobe and I and Thais, we were, like, so eager.
Exactly.
I'm not saying that that's her case,
but a lot of Americans use it
to control their partners,
-to manipulate... -[Kobe] Yeah.
-[Jasmine] ...and it's like... -[Kobe] Yeah.
-[Kobe] Yeah. That's true. -[Jasmine] ...okay, so...
Yeah, because once you are given a green card,
you get your independence.
[Ed] So question, you guys,
you get a green card,
you can walk out of the marriage?
[Gino] You said you're free to walk away?
[Jasmine] If you want to.
[Gino speaking]
Listen, listen.
You,
[Gino] No, I didn't.
Five months.
[Gino] It was summertime...
-No, that is so selfish. -[Gino] ...right after we got married,
and I was not going to do paperwork
-in the summer. -[Jasmine] No, it was super selfish of you.
'Cause it was summer-- No, it wasn't.
'Cause summertime only,
-is court time in Michigan. -[bleep] summer, Gino.
[bleep] summer.
[dramatic music playing]
No. Not [bleep] summer.
[Alexei] Hi, everybody.
[Rob] What's up with the suitcases?
We gotta go home.
You guys just walking away?
I don't really think that's fair.
You're not better than anyone.
I never said I was.
You act like that.
Excuse me?
Excuse you!
[Thais scoffs]
[Jasmine] [bleep] summer.
No, not "[bleep] summer." I know what I'm talking about.
[Jasmine] Yeah. [speaking]
No. It took me five months.
[Gino] No. No.
No. No, I'm not just thinking about myself.
Jasmine, you guys are having a nice day.
You guys have made two step.
You don't want to take 10 steps back.
You slept in the same bed.
[Jasmine] Anyway...
[Ed chuckling] Hey, there's a plant on your back.
On your back.
-[Liz] Oh. -[Jasmine tut-tuts]
[Liz] No, there is, there is. Come here, honey.
Did you get it?
[Ed] I wasn't kidding.
[Thais laughing]
[Ed] That was under your coat.
[faint laughter]
Love.
Yes. She's very--
Look at all my veins.
My veins are all popping out.
Jasmine, I'm next.
-[Thais] Do you think-- -I do. I do.
No. But... [cackles]
-[Gino speaking] -[indistinct chatter]
Look, your fantasy.
-[Gino] Oh. -What, do you think it's ugly?
Oh, no. Those are...
-nice-looking feet. -[all laughing loudly]
-[Patrick speaking] -[indistinct chatter]
Anyone.
But why is this being brought up? 'Cause you guys didn't say anything.
So it's like, I did want to put it out there.
But I mean, nobody-- everybody was
kind of more just trying to be supportive.
-So I'm like... -[Thais] Yeah.
[Sophie speaking]
[Thais] Yeah.
[Thais] You know what? She's fake.
You know what? She's fake.
Yeah, she's so fake.
Hey, Thais.
How are you?
[in Portuguese]
I would love to hang out with John.
[chuckling] He's so funny.
He's so annoying,
but he's like my favorite person
-in the whole season. -Yeah.
Oh, my God.
[Alexei] Hi, everybody.
[Thais] Hello.
[Rob] What's up? What's up with the suitcases?
We just came to say bye 'cause we got to go home.
Our kids are there.
There's no school tomorrow.
Grandparents are working.
-He's working, and I'm on call. [chuckles] -I'm working.
Oh, man. You guys get off so easy.
[all agreeing] Yeah.
[Sophie chuckling] Yeah, right.
-[Loren] Yes. -[Ed chuckling]
[Rob speaking indistinctly]
[Loren] So nice to meet you.
I wish you guys the best of luck.
-Come for Shabbat dinner. -[Rob] Nice meeting you.
[Sophie speaking]
[Loren] It was so nice meeting you.
-I wish you the best of luck. -[Alexei] Bye.
Bye. Bye.
-Nice meeting you. -Nice meeting you.
-Good luck. -[Patrick] Thank you.
If you guys are in Miami,
if you ever need anything, please let us know.
It was so nice meeting you.
-I love you so much. -[Jasmine] Nice to meet you.
So I got two half-assed hugs, but I appreciate it.
Because you're leaving after your segment,
and we all have to deal with the issues afterwards,
I don't really think that's fair.
So get on a flight and go home.
[scoffs]
[dramatic music playing]
You guys think that you are better than us?
Excuse me?
Excuse you!
I don't think I'm better than you.
I have three babies
and I'm going to land at midnight.
And Alex has work.
-[Sophie speaking] -So unless you want to pay for a babysitter...
-Emily's pregnant. -[Thais] Yeah.
We need to be here.
We need to go back to the house.
And we need to discuss.
And you guys just walking away?
I don't think we're just walking away.
We're saying goodbye to everybody.
[Sophie speaking]
Would you like us to sit
and you can say whatever you would like right now?
'Cause I've got five minutes.
[dramatic music playing]
[Shaun] Next time
on 90 Day Fiance: Happily Ever After?,
the couples tell all, no limits.
You can tell him
to shut his [bleep] mouth right now.
-[Kobe] I am not shutting my mouth. -Kobe.
[Angela] You don't [bleep] reason to say [bleep].
[indistinct shouting]
-[Michael speaking] -[Kobe] Excuse me.
Hey, Kobe!
-[Angela speaking] -[Michael speaking indistinctly]
[tense music playing]
[Manuel speaking in Spanish]
[Jasmine speaking]
Why can you not [bleep] her?
You go through that every day,
and let's see if you say that [bleep] [bleep] again.
Thank you so much for...
being a part of my life, and...
I don't want to say goodbye.
This sucks.
So...
[tense music playing]
[Liz exhales]