We have everything from rich,
powerful, corporate CEOs that ran a coal company...
The mine explodes. The whole town...
Felt it. ..shook when this exploded.
You have a murder that happened that's unsolved.
I mean, what better reason for someone to haunt a building?
There's a lot of mystery. No one's
ever investigated here before.
It feels (BLEEP) weird in here.
It sounds like gunfire.
That's definitely someone shooting.
My head hurts on this side.
Did someone fall down these stairs?
(GARBLED RECORDING)
Did that say what I thought
it said? 'Murder.' I think it says murder.
Ooh!
The dead want a voice.
We just want to help this family.
The living need our help. Have you always been here?
He was watching already.
(TENSE MUSIC)
Wow.
That's a pretty awesome building, huh?
Yeah, I mean...
Old. It was built in 1929.
So this is The Black Knight County Club.
Yeah. And it actually hasn't served
as an official country club for a few years.
The city bought it. But it's got a really wild past.
They've had rumours of ghosts here
for years and years, and there was a murder
literally right down this road,
a double murder that's still unsolved to this day.
So, lots of opportunity for scary things,
and they just want to figure out what's going on here.
And it's never been investigated before.
Never been investigated before.
So here we go. This is our big chance.
Perfect.
Oh, this is nice.
Hi, are you Scott? Yes, I'm Scott.
Awesome. Nice to meet you. I'm Adam.
Ooh, greetings. Welcome to Beckley's historic Black Knight.
Awesome, thanks for having us. Hi, Scott. Thanks for having us.
This is our first country club investigation,
but it sounds like there's a lot of history here.
Yeah, the club was built in 1929...
OK.
..for the Raleigh Coal and Coke Company.
When this was originally built,
this was only for the executives and their guests.
Very soon after that, they started
letting prominent local folks join here.
But it was originally just a very, very private club
just for the coal company.
Alright, well do you want to kind of takes us around...
Sure thing. ..and tell us some stories?
The old bar over here, folks have seen
dark figures that would wander in the back side of the bar.
OK, well let's go and check out that area.
Oh, wow. OK.
So this was the original gathering spot.
This was the bar of the original facility.
This was? Yes, right over here.
And this is 'original' original? It hasn't changed?
Hasn't changed. Wow.
This is where the deals would be made.
What kind of deals were being made?
They would negotiate their coal leases here.
They would negotiate the sales of their coal here.
The big thing that they were about, is it's an extractive industry.
Right. So they are literally
just like I say, right over and under the club,
they are literally extracting resources out of the ground
while they're having a party right here on top of them.
That's so crazy to me.
So, a lot of the stories that we have here
are literally about seeing a dark figure
that goes from the bar over here
and walking along the back of this room.
OK, so they see a figure.
They see like a shadow figure... A shadow figure.
..go through this whole area
right here? Exactly.
Is there anything else anybody reports in here?
Just like...
People will walk in and feel just heaviness,
like something's just hit them
in the chest. OK.
Alright, so shadow and heaviness. So where should we go to next?
We're gonna go to the Grand Ballroom.
BOTH: OK.
Oh, wow. Yes.
Oh, this is beautiful.
The chandeliers, everything is original here...
Great. ..to the Grand Ballroom from 1929.
I can see that. Yeah. Imagine,
we'd all stand up here and look over the works of the mines.
You look out the window and you can literally see the coal town
and the three tipples right below you.
What were the conditions of the workers in the mine?
Were they - Because we all know, you know - I mean it's hard work.
It's very hard labour.
You toiled six, seven days a week.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
And you know, at that time,
there was some mechanisation in the mines.
But it was still back-breaking work.
Right.
Then in December 1940, the mine Raleigh number four explodes.
Oh, God. OK.
So seven guys were killed. Everything shook.
I mean, the whole town...
Felt it. ..shook when this exploded.
Mmm. And so does anything specific happen in this room?
So, Nelly Rand, from the Rand-Bailey murders,
has been known to step out on the balcony there
wearing her silk dress
and look down like she's looking
for someone. Interesting.
Where did the - you were talking about murders,
where did the murders happen? The murders happened about 100 yards
out the back road here. There was just a back access road
to the golf course. Oh, so out here.
Yeah, and it was a very popular,
shall we say, lovers' lane at that time, in 1947.
Let's go take a look. Here, we can go out.
(EERIE MUSIC)
You can literally see the road runs
parallel to the golf course here. Oh, this one.
Yeah, that one right there. OK, so to be specific, this was...
This Nelly woman was with someone
who was not her husband, right? Right, E.Ray Bailey.
And so they were found shot?
Is that what it was? They were found shot.
OK. She came up the road here,
and stopped her car, and a few moments later...
Met her friend. ..Mr Bailey
pulls up behind her. Right.
From all evidence, she gets out,
walks down, gets in the back seat of his car.
Mmm. And about 15 minutes later,
three gunshots were heard.
Wow. Interesting.
I'm sure that was
a very sensational story. Very.
It's still the talk of the town.
And it's unsolved? They never... Unsolved...
found the murderer? ..to this day.
How does this place feel at night when the sun goes down?
Because it's about to happen.
It has a little bit of a different vibe.
Things get a little darker, so to speak.
You can hear a lot more at night. Right.
You really have a feeling of foreboding, the darker it gets.
OK. Where should we go to next?
We're gonna go to the grand staircase.
After you. Thank you.
Now, what happens on the staircase specifically?
So, in March of 1939,
Dr John McCulloch, who is a director of several corporations,
several coal companies, he was a doctor, he owns a hospital -
he's one of the executive board members here.
He's living upstairs in the apartments.
One night, they're having a party up here in the Grand Ballroom.
He comes out, he falls down the stairs...
Ooh. ..crushes his skull...
Oh, God. ..and dies right there.
Oh, my goodness. OK. Oh, wow.
So, from that time forward,
there's been activity reported of a gentleman
that glides down the stairs.
Up here on the landing, he's literally ran into people.
Mm-hmm. Whoa.
Did he have a family?
Yes, he did. He did?
OK. So he had a wife and kids... Right.
..that he left behind. Which leaves the question,
why is he living in the apartment upstairs?
Yeah, that's weird. Why do you think he was living
in the apartment upstairs?
I believe he might have been estranged.
Interesting. You can see some
unresolved issues there potentially. Oh, yeah. Sudden death.
Yeah. Especially somebody that powerful.
Should we go up or is there more down here?
No, let's go on up. OK.
Up the stairs of doom.
(EERIE MUSIC)
When they built the club in '29,
the idea was that they built apartments upstairs
in order that guests and other businessmen
visiting the coal company would have a private place to stay.
Oh, OK. Right. So they would
stay in the apartments here.
They see a lot of shadows darting about.
A lot of the past employees would not come up here alone.
Let's go back this way. The apartment
that Dr McCulloch would have stayed in
would have been the one on the far end.
Alright. So how many apartments are up here?
There were two apartments up here, and then some offices.
OK. And so this was probably Dr McCulloch's, as you said?
Yes. Alright.
So I guess we'll be looking for him. Mm-hmm.
So we'll follow you.
So is this city curious to know what's going on here?
A lot of the employees are, yes. Yeah, I can imagine.
I mean I'm sure they're also worried about people wanting
to continue to work here. Exactly.
I mean, they won't even go up on the third floor on their own.
I'm excited to get in here and see what kind of activity we get,
and see if we can get some identifying information...
Right. ..for you and the city, and we're
just really thrilled that we've been entrusted with this, honestly.
I'm so excited to have you guys here.
It's already dark.
We've gotta get going. I know. It's that time of year.
So, alright, thank you. Thank you, sir.
We will let you know what we find out.
And be safe, have fun, don't fall down the stairs.
OK, we'll try our best. And if we need anything,
we can reach out, yeah? Alright, yeah.
Thank you. Everyone knows where to find me.
Alrighty.
There's a lot of history to this building,
and it is this kind of classic whodunnit
in addition to a haunting. You know, you have an unsolved murder.
There was a deadly mining accident that happened here.
And then on top of that, we have the staircase and Dr McCulloch.
We have everything in this place at this point,
and so it's going to be hard to cover,
but I think we're up to the task.
Where should we start?
We know about the unsolved murder. Mm-hmm.
It's the biggest thing that's happened in this area
that we know of... Right.
..right, that deals with death.
Obviously I think we should start there.
We know that they both died in the back of his car.
There were three shots heard from here.
Right. Right?
And it's down a little access road. Yeah.
We can just go down there and investigate a little bit.
Alright. Let's start with that. Alright.
I think that sometimes these really sudden deaths do result
in a haunting, especially if it's something very emotional or tragic.
This double murder happened,
and I feel like those last moments for them were probably just filled
with mixed emotions - not only the terror of dying,
but also of what everyone is going to think,
and how is this going to affect everyone you love?
And then you're dead, you're gone.
I can't think of a more compelling reason,
like why someone would want to stay behind.
Alright, so this is the spot, where the car was found.
Well let's set up some stuff here.
Perfect. OK, I'm going to pull this up.
I'm gonna make a big circle. I want to use my SOS camera.
(FAINT NOISES)
Sounds like gunfire.
That's definitely someone shooting.
(TENSE MUSIC)
That's definitely someone shooting.
You can use that though.
You know, the sound of it? That's true.
Right now, Amy and I are setting up
some equipment out here where the murder took place.
There is random gunfire happening in the back,
which, you know, we are out in the country, so it's fine.
But we can use that to our advantage,
and we're going to see if that triggers activity.
Maybe somebody wants to talk to us, give us some answers,
because this murder is definitely unsolved.
Mrs Rand and Mr Bailey,
we're not here to judge your actions.
We don't know what you were doing here
or why you were together,
and frankly, we do not care.
But we do care about seeking justice for you.
So can you please just...
If you saw your attacker,
can you please tell us who pulled the trigger?
The year right now is 2022.
And people are still talking about what happened to you,
and people still want answers.
So you're not forgotten.
It must have been hard to be here,
knowing that it would look pretty scandalous
and realising that you were going to most likely not make it out alive,
and wondering what people were going to think.
Mrs Rand, were you in love with Mr Bailey?
I know that this is going to get personal,
but we're just trying to figure out
if you're still out here and if you need anything.
Do you go into the country club
and interact with people that are in that building?
Alright, let's listen to this.
(RECORDING) We're not here to judge your actions.
We don't know what you were doing here or why you were here.
If you saw your attacker, can you please tell us
who pulled the trigger?
It must have been hard to be here, knowing that it was pretty scandalous
and realising that you were going to most likely not make it out alive.
I know this is going to get personal,
but we're just trying to figure out
if you're still out here and if you need anything.
So nothing on this.
It doesn't feel especially spooky out here.
But you know, they say they see Nelly in the club.
So honestly, we've learned that
people don't always haunt exactly the spot where they died.
Like, why would they be sitting here, you know?
We don't necessarily believe
that a spirit stays where the trauma happened.
We feel like they can move and they have freedom to go places.
But when you go to that spot
and you pay your respects, and you start investigating,
you never know what you're gonna get.
We're not trying to make grand leaps and assumptions.
We're just trying to experience activity
and it's pretty quiet.
But what we really need is information,
and sort of pinpoint who is here and why they might be here.
So tomorrow, we're going to gather as much research
as we possibly can, and then we're going to come back here
and we're going to investigate very hard.
(PENSIVE MUSIC)
Hi, I'm Adam. Hi, April Morgan.
Nice to meet you. Hi, I'm Amy.
Good to meet you. Nice to meet you.
We're looking for information about
the Black Knight Club or Country Club.
Specifically, obviously we look for ghosts,
so we're looking for all of, like...
(LAUGHS) We're looking for the bad stuff.
Yeah, the weird things. Right.
That murder that happened is very weird.
Yes. Yes, well the murder of the couple
was just the start of it, then we had
an accidental death there, and then they had the mine explosion.
Right. Yes.
So now I've been kind of digging into the murders a little bit more.
Yes. And it sounds like...
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
So there were at least two - so, two people confessed, right?
There were two separate confessions. But neither was credible, and yeah.
They did arrest someone briefly too, right?
Like a cook or a chef or something? Yes,
and he was completely innocent to my understanding, so...
It looks like she may have even made it out of the car,
because like, her watch was outside. Her watch was outside, yep.
Huh. Interesting. Tell me about the accidental death,
because we know of one that was an accident.
OK, which one do you know? McCulloch.
Yes, that's the same one, and it's very suspicious, again.
I know his heirs had gone back to the insurance company and requested
for his body to be exhumed, and they thought it was very suspicious.
Mm-hmm. And they really couldn't
settle with themselves, accepting that it was an accident.
So they thought someone pushed him maybe?
Perhaps. Mm-hmm.
I think that's kind of where they were leaning.
The witnesses around him basically said that they had
only seen him drink one or two drinks maybe, if that.
There...
It was just very odd for him to have such an episode like that,
and so it's really hard for the community
to accept that as an accident.
I didn't realise that people thought
he may have been pushed. Mm-hmm.
Would there be anyone in the area or associated with him
or his business that would want to, you know, get rid of him?
I'm sure with being a man of such, you know,
high prosperity himself,
he probably did have a big target on his back,
if not for money,
possibly business motives. OK.
Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys.
Thank you for your help. Appreciate it.
April told us some really interesting facts.
This guy falls down the stairs and dies.
The rumour is he might have been pushed.
A lot of the times when we're investigating,
a spirit will act out because they have something to say,
and they have a story to tell,
and maybe that's what happened here. We definitely can
talk about that tonight when we investigate,
and then there is still a double murder outside,
and then this building is built on top of a coal mine,
where a tragic accident happened.
So, I guess at this point, we just get started.
We start asking questions and see
what comes up, and see where the night takes us.
Amy and I are going to probably focus on the first floor area,
specifically where Dr McCulloch passed away on the staircase,
and hopefully some of these ghosts are going to spill the beans.
Is there someone here named Dr McCulloch?
Doctor, we know what happened to you here on the steps.
And they say they see you sometimes,
so if you are here, we'd love to chat with you.
Can you come down the stairs and talk to us please, sir?
Is there someone here who knows a Dr McCulloch?
Can you light up one of those lights for us?
Can you describe what happened to you?
Do you miss the way this place used to be?
Did something change?
Did you like those changes?
Did you prefer it... Wait, wait, wait...
I heard that back down the way. I heard like a bang...
From the bar area. Yeah.
(TENSE MUSIC)
Hello?
Ooh, it went off. That lit up.
(IMPACT NOISE) Ooh (BLEEP)!
I thought the door was opening - is it opening?
I don't know. What was that? I was leaning on it, but like...
Did they just try to open it?
Do you - whoa!
What just happened? I don't know.
(TENSE MUSIC)
I jumped!
I thought somebody was trying to get out.
I was leaning up against it, too.
I was, like, on it. So for it to go like this...
That is bizarre. I saw this jam open. Yeah, that's crazy.
Let's see this recorder and see if anything's
coming up. Yeah, I thought I was falling...
Honestly, it made me feel like I was falling that way,
like it was going to open the other way. That's so wild.
I thought someone was trying to... Like someone was
coming out of the door. Yeah!
Ugh.
(GROANS)
That's so weird. (RECORDING PLAYS)
Here's the thing. OK, real quick.
No one's ever investigated here before.
Number one. Yep.
And certainly not at night.
They say a lot of things happen during the day, but the thing is,
it's because people are here during the day.
No one's here at night hanging out
in the darkness like this. Yeah, yeah.
And he said that it changes at night.
It's like weird... It feels
(BLEEP) weird in here. OK, let's listen.
(RECORDING) Is there someone here named Dr McCulloch?
Doctor, we know what happened to you here on the steps.
(GARBLED RECORDING)
Can you come down the stairs and talk to us please, sir?
(GARBLED RECORDING)
That just went off.
Did something change? Did you like those changes?
BOTH: Whoa!
Did not like the changes. Nuh-uh. (CHUCKLES)
OK, so literally, the scream and then this.
So literally something was mad about the changes, and then
comes over here, screams into the recorder,
and then comes over here and jams open this door
while you're leaning on it.
Like, obviously... Not happy
with the changes. They don't us - yeah.
Wow.
So, are you...
Do you have anything, like initial thoughts?
Yeah, before we go in?
A couple of things. Mm-hmm.
Right below the level
that I can hear things clearly...
Mm-hmm. ..all day, I've heard
a deep man's voice just droning.
You know when you hear something and you can't make it out?
Mm-hmm. It's that
sort of a thing. OK, alright.
A woman saying, 'Help me.'
OK. OK.
And I'm worried about...
The entire mojo of this thing. OK.
Alright, come inside.
Let's take a little walk. OK.
Oh.
Let's go this way.
(TENSE MUSIC)
My head hurts on this side.
This Nelly woman was with someone who was not her husband. Right?
And so they were found shot,
is that what it was? They were found shot.
Dr John McCulloch who is living upstairs in the apartments,
he comes out, he falls down the steps...
Oh. ..crushes his skull...
Oh, God. ..and dies right there.
Oh, my goodness. OK. Oh, wow.
Mm-hmm, OK. OK.
Do you get anything from the staircase in particular?
A jolt.
A jolt. Did someone fall down these stairs?
Shoved, fell, lunged.
OK. OK.
APRIL: They thought that it was very suspicious.
So they thought someone pushed him, maybe?
Perhaps.
I think that's kind of where they were leaning.
Check here.
(TENSE MUSIC)
You may get sensor things going off at the bottom of the stairs.
And don't be surprised...
I don't know now that I've told you that you'll hear that
low level male deep voice underneath stuff.
Here?
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
We already did all of those things, just now.
Just to be clear, all of that
already happened. Already - yeah.
Hello?
Ooh, that went off. That lit up.
(RECORDING) Did you like those changes?
BOTH: Whoa!
It already happened. Do you want me to focus more
on here? No, you're good,
you got it. You're good, yeah, no, this is,
this is great, yeah. I mean there is a question as to
whether what happened here was intentional or not though.
That's never been... (CLEARS THROAT)
I got jolt. Yeah.
And if someone's jolted...
That's... That's like a...
That's a shove. Mm-hmm. That's a shove.
That's...
Yep, OK.
We're gonna have to go up. Let's do it.
(SOFT EERIE MUSIC)
(WHISPERS) Whispering up here. Mmm.
Lots of whispering up here.
OK.
Shadows.
Active. Very active up here. OK.
They see a lot of shadows darting about.
Mm-hmm. They...
A lot of the past employees would not come up here alone.
Where George is at the end of the hallway...
Yeah? They'll see things down there.
OK.
Moving back and forth in that area.
OK.
The space just feels like there's a lot of energy in it.
This particular area.
Should we drive him down to that spot real quick?
Yeah. Why not? Yeah.
So right now, we're going to drive out
to where the murders happened, and see what Chip picks up on.
It'll be interesting to see how his impressions
compare to what we already know.
What I feel out here is just that overall pervasive element
of wanting to get the hell away from here,
and escape, and the mojo just being all whack.
OK. That makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense.
Everything is just like, it's like crazy time.
BOTH: Mm-hmm.
Just, 'Get me out of here!' OK.
Mm-hmm.
We can fill you in. Please.
Two people were shot right here in their car,
in one of their cars. Ooh.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
In the 1940s. 1947.
Gory.
There was a female and a male, and the female,
they found her watch outside and blood outside,
which means that she got out of the car.
Could she be the one I picked up, up there?
That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I think it was
her energy. 'Help me.' Yeah.
It seemed like she was trying to get away.
Anything else?
(TENSE MUSIC)
No. I'll keep trying to tap in.
Yeah, so maybe if you investigate with us,
maybe something will come up that way.
I would love to do that. OK.
And let's see what we get.
OK. Some of the things
that Chip is saying matches up with
the activity that we've already experienced.
First and foremost, he picked up on
all the activity that we had at the base of the staircase,
and then a gentleman - possibly the doctor -
he talked about this woman who was trying to escape,
and that rang a bell for us.
He talked about, 'I've got a pain in my head.'
Does it connect to the murders that happened down the street?
They had trauma to the head. It's the doctor. I don't know.
Which is very, very interesting and intriguing.
So last night, we had a tonne of activity in this place,
and a lot of it seemed to stem from
us mentioning Dr McCulloch specifically.
So, we have a lot more questions.
So, we'll see what comes of the investigation.
They say that there was a poker game in here that lasted like 50 years.
What?! It went until the 8th.
Yeah, it was a weekly poker game,
that people would join and there was a buy in.
So I'm going to put this in a circle,
as if we're round... Playing poker.
We're around a table.
Alright, so let's do a little EVP work here.
So whoever is in here who is non-living,
we have been here for a while,
and we've definitely been in touch
with some of you and in contact with some of you
on the second and first floor.
But is there anyone here who wants to talk to us?
Is it safe up here?
A lot of people who work here come up here
and they don't feel safe.
We're wondering if Mr McCulloch is up here.
Sir, if you're up here, are you still in charge?
Were these apartments used for unsavoury things?
Did things go on up here that the public should not know?
Does anyone know who killed
the two people in the car down the street?
Speaking of that, was Dr McCulloch murdered?
Was he pushed?
OK, let's listen and see if we've got anything here.
I'm not feeling much... You never know, though.
I know. We'll see. I wasn't feeling much last night.
I know, right? And then something tried to...
Curl. ..push you.
I know. I can't tell what.
(RECORDING) We have been here for a while,
and we've definitely been...
(GARBLED RECORDING) In contact on the second...
That just went off. Yep.
(GARBLED RECORDING CONTINUES)
Ooh!
'I do.' 'I do.'
We're wondering if Mr McCulloch is up here.
If you're up here...
I'm afraid he's going to yell at me. I know.
(RECORDING CONTINUES PLAYING)
Did things go on up here that the public should not know?
(SCRATCHY NOISES)
Did that just say, 'Can't tell you,'
because I'm telling you... What?!
Go back! Wait.
(PLAYBACK RESUMES) Did things go on up here
that the public should not know? (SCRATCHY NOISES)
Ooh! 'Can't tell you'!
That says that so clearly.
That's so weird. 'Can't tell you.'
I mean, that, you can hear
the vocal folds... 'Can't tell you.'
..flapping round. 100 percent.
That the public should not know? (SCRATCHY NOISE)
'Can't tell you.' 'Can't tell you.'
Does it say 'Can't tell anyone'? No, it just says can't tell you.
That's so crazy. That's so weird.
Let's go down the end of the hallway.
Dr McCulloch's office.
I think now we need to kind of
hone in on who it is we're talking to,
and so we definitely want to try to contact him further.
Dr McCulloch, we know this was your office,
and this was probably one of the last places you were alive.
So if you're here now, can you please talk to us?
(PENSIVE MUSIC)
We would like to let you know that...
What was that? I heard that too.
I heard that back there. Yes, ma'am.
(TENSE MUSIC)
It's not done. Shh. Give me that, please.
Something was moving around in there.
Mr McCulloch, or Dr McCulloch,
are you trying to get in touch with us?
Maybe give him dark again.
Let's all be super-quiet and not move around.
Can you make that noise again, please?
We're not asking you to do tricks, we're just trying to see
if you're here, and we're trying to solve what happened to you.
We've heard a lot of rumours and stories about you,
and we know the truth. Like, some people said that
you were very drunk, but we know that that's not true,
from witness statements.
Dr McCulloch, did someone murder you?
Did someone push you down those stairs?
If so, why did they do it?
If you are not Dr McCulloch,
could you please tell us what your name is?
Do you come up here to hide from everyone downstairs?
If you're not Dr McCulloch, we still want to talk to you.
Can you tell us what your name is?
(TENSE MUSIC CONTINUES)
OK, we're going to turn this off, but just so you know,
we can hear you with this device,
so keep talking when we ask questions. (CLEARS THROAT)
(RECORDING PLAYS) This is file eight.
And it's probably the last place that you were alive.
(SHARP NOISE) (INVESTIGATORS REACT)
Ooh, yes!
Right? Yeah.
Your office, and it's probably the last place that you were alive.
'Yes.'
That's what he sounded like downstairs.
Mm-hmm.
Mr McCulloch, or Dr McCulloch.
Are you trying to get in touch with us?
We're trying to solve what happened...
(GARBLED NOISE)
Ooh! Whoa.
We're not trying to get you to do tricks,
we're just trying to see if you're here.
We're trying to solve what happened...
(GARBLED NOISES)
What? Did that say what I thought
it said? I think it says murder.
Murder. I think it says murder.
Listen.
Again, it's murder. Yeah.
(GARBLED RECORDING)
Dr McCulloch, did someone murder you?
(SCRATCHY NOISE)
Dr McCulloch, did someone murder you?
Yes, they did.
Yes they did!
If you're not Dr McCulloch... I mean, what do we do?
Tell his story. I don't know.
I mean, he's answering us.
Murder at The Black Knight.
Dr McCulloch. That's a scary movie.
I feel so bad because you know, it's like...
What do you do now?
I mean, what better reason for someone to haunt a building?
Yeah. They were murdered.
And he was young. He was like 53, had his whole life ahead of him.
He was very well-liked, very well-respected,
and gets pushed down some stairs by God knows who.
He'll never find justice. I'm sorry, sir, but...
Yeah. ..the justice
will never be served in that case.
There was a lot of tragedy and a seedy side to this place.
Yeah, 100 percent.
Yeah, I mean, what's weird is like - so he mentioned murder yesterday.
I think what's very telling is...
He's speaking about his story, right,
no one's ever investigated this place, ever, and it's like,
'Finally someone is listening to me
and I can talk about what happened.' Right.
And maybe that gives him some relief...
I mean, it's... ..and maybe it like - you know,
us knowing and telling them at least, like,
look, we don't know if it's true, but these EVPs are really strong.
And he really wants - like, he pushed that door last night.
Yes. That's insane. I mean, he's really strong.
Like, he wants his story told.
So maybe that's the solution at this point, is just continuing on
telling his story, talking about what could have happened to him.
Yeah, Dr McCulloch, if you're listening to us,
if it is you talking, obviously we hear you,
we have your story from your mouth, your words.
We will tell the people that work here about you.
You are not forgotten sir, at all. No, definitely not.
If anything, people are going to talk about you more than ever.
Throughout this investigation, I feel like we've been getting
a lot of communication with Dr McCulloch,
and tonight was no exception.
As we heard the word murder,
it's one of those moments where as an investigator,
you can't help but get excited when you get really great EVPs.
But then you start digging into the deeper meaning
of what it is that you're talking about.
You know, someone died here.
I do have to admit I feel a little helpless
when it comes to him, because so much time has passed.
There's literally no way we'll be
able to prove whether or not he was murdered.
I can't think of a more compelling reason,
why someone would want to stay behind and get their story across.
But how many more stories are there to be told here?
There are definitely spirits at unrest in this building,
and they have every reason to be.
The story of the double murder, I think it haunts everyone here,
and I think we did talk to them a bit.
Do you have anything, like initial thoughts?
A woman saying, 'Help me.'
OK. OK.
What I feel out here is just that overall pervasive element
of wanting to get the hell away from here and escape.
I wish that we would be able to get something just more definitive
and some way to solve it.
But hopefully we can leave it in the hands of Scott
and some other investigators and employees.
Maybe they can work with Nelly in the long run.
(MOODY MUSIC)
So welcome back, Scott. I think that
Adam and I can both say
that this might be the first time a location was more haunted
than the people who asked us
to be there realised. Oh.
So I think overall we can just tell you
that you definitely have some spirits here
who are classically at unrest.
Like, they are not feeling as though
they were given justice in life...
Oh, wow. ..as far as what happened to them.
We did bring in Chip Coffey,
and he did a full walkthrough of the location,
and he did really pick up on who we think might be Dr McCulloch.
Chip picked up on a gentleman.
It was pretty interesting, because we had already had
a bunch of activity, which we're about to show you,
related to a gentleman, we believe.
So we went to the stairs, and we started asking questions,
and we got some pretty crazy responses,
and a really wild experience that, I mean, might rival
any experience we've had
in the last few cases, so... Yeah, and I am leaning
on the office door. The office door is shut,
and my back is on it.
The door, it was like somebody pushed
or pulled on the door,
and it like jolted me forward. She saw it.
I saw the door open like they didn't realise Adam was sitting against it.
I opened the door immediately and nobody was trying to open it.
We don't know how that happens or why that happens.
We knew then that we were dealing
with someone who really wanted
to get our attention. Yeah.
So then we went into Mr McCulloch's office.
We did a lot of digging into his situation, and it sounds
very much like there was some question as to whether he fell
or he was pushed. Right.
And we said, you know, 'We're trying to solve what happened to you.'
(RECORDING) We're just trying to see if you're here.
We're trying to solve what happened to you.
(GARBLED NOISE)
Do you hear anything?
Like, pushed, murder, it's... Murder.
I mean, immediately after you say that, it's just like,
boom, yeah. Murder.
He was pretty chatty while we were here,
and obviously made that door slam open.
We say, 'Did someone murder you?'
(RECORDING) Dr McCulloch, did someone murder you?
I think it's, 'Yes, they did.' 'Yes, they did.' Yeah.
They did.
We don't ever know what we're gonna expect
when we come and investigate a place, but the fact
that this stuff comes up, like it's just so wild.
But we did say to him that we will tell your story.
We'll make sure the people that work here
know who you are, know that you're around...
Right. That's...
And as a historian, that's important to me.
We want to get the story right. Exactly.
While we're doing these EVPs,
there's this little nook to the left of us.
We kept hearing things move in there,
and it was as if, you know, he was hiding,
and then came out and wanted to talk to us.
It was really odd. Yeah.
And so, as far as Nelly,
we didn't get a lot of actual evidence of her, but Chip
picked up on a woman running and asking for help, over and over,
asking for help. And I know just reading into
the murder, it seemed like she got out of the car...
Right. ..and was probably trying
to make it up to here.
That would be her instinct, I assume.
And so, I think he was picking up on that energy.
But other than that, we didn't get a whole lot from them, or her.
Did you pick up on anything that was malevolent?
Was there...
No. No. It was very much like, 'Tell our story,' and like...
That's great to know. Yeah.
You know, on that note, Dr McCulloch was the one that reached out to us,
right? He was the one that needed to be heard the most.
However, obviously we think there are other spirits here
that need their story told.
There - you know, there are unseen folks here
who are very much a part of this building.
Yeah. And the more you tell their story
and the more you talk to them and acknowledge them,
the more at peace they will be.
Mm-hmm. Right. Thank you so much.
I always walk in the building and say, 'Hello,
how are we doing?' And I tell them goodbye when we leave.
Well thank you so much. Well, thank you.
We appreciate it. It's so awesome
to have you guys. Thank you.
Scott is one of the most incredible people
that we have been able to help.
He's a historian, he deals in facts,
he's very passionate about this building and this town.
He worked here.
We were able to shed light on who we thought was here. It was
a big relief for him, because he doesn't want this building
to get a bad reputation, and it's not.
This building is amazing.
It is very, very haunted, but I believe that if the stories
and the history is told correctly
about this building, the spirits probably, eventually,
will move on.
Again, it's safe, and I think that's the biggest thing
that Scott took away from our investigation.
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