1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,400 We have everything from rich, 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,920 powerful, corporate CEOs that ran a coal company... 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,400 The mine explodes. The whole town... 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,800 Felt it. ..shook when this exploded. 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,880 You have a murder that happened that's unsolved. 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,240 I mean, what better reason for someone to haunt a building? 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,960 There's a lot of mystery. No one's 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,040 ever investigated here before. 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,880 It feels (BLEEP) weird in here. 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,960 It sounds like gunfire. 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,040 That's definitely someone shooting. 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,680 My head hurts on this side. 13 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,920 Did someone fall down these stairs? 14 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,640 (GARBLED RECORDING) 15 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:36,800 Did that say what I thought 16 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,960 it said? 'Murder.' I think it says murder. 17 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,400 Ooh! 18 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,040 The dead want a voice. 19 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,280 We just want to help this family. 20 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,960 The living need our help. Have you always been here? 21 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,280 He was watching already. 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,200 (TENSE MUSIC) 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,240 Wow. 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,640 That's a pretty awesome building, huh? 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Yeah, I mean... 26 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,960 Old. It was built in 1929. 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,080 So this is The Black Knight County Club. 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,200 Yeah. And it actually hasn't served 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,360 as an official country club for a few years. 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,880 The city bought it. But it's got a really wild past. 31 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:33,560 They've had rumours of ghosts here 32 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,720 for years and years, and there was a murder 33 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,360 literally right down this road, 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,720 a double murder that's still unsolved to this day. 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,040 So, lots of opportunity for scary things, 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,520 and they just want to figure out what's going on here. 37 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,160 And it's never been investigated before. 38 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Never been investigated before. 39 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,520 So here we go. This is our big chance. 40 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Perfect. 41 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,240 Oh, this is nice. 42 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,040 Hi, are you Scott? Yes, I'm Scott. 43 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,640 Awesome. Nice to meet you. I'm Adam. 44 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,920 Ooh, greetings. Welcome to Beckley's historic Black Knight. 45 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,560 Awesome, thanks for having us. Hi, Scott. Thanks for having us. 46 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,880 This is our first country club investigation, 47 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,760 but it sounds like there's a lot of history here. 48 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,240 Yeah, the club was built in 1929... 49 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,440 OK. 50 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,280 ..for the Raleigh Coal and Coke Company. 51 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,800 When this was originally built, 52 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,840 this was only for the executives and their guests. 53 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,400 Very soon after that, they started 54 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,400 letting prominent local folks join here. 55 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,760 But it was originally just a very, very private club 56 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,520 just for the coal company. 57 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,600 Alright, well do you want to kind of takes us around... 58 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Sure thing. ..and tell us some stories? 59 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,400 The old bar over here, folks have seen 60 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,640 dark figures that would wander in the back side of the bar. 61 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,520 OK, well let's go and check out that area. 62 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,640 Oh, wow. OK. 63 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,200 So this was the original gathering spot. 64 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,120 This was the bar of the original facility. 65 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,160 This was? Yes, right over here. 66 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,520 And this is 'original' original? It hasn't changed? 67 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,560 Hasn't changed. Wow. 68 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,520 This is where the deals would be made. 69 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,280 What kind of deals were being made? 70 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,000 They would negotiate their coal leases here. 71 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,120 They would negotiate the sales of their coal here. 72 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,240 The big thing that they were about, is it's an extractive industry. 73 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,280 Right. So they are literally 74 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,960 just like I say, right over and under the club, 75 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,600 they are literally extracting resources out of the ground 76 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,080 while they're having a party right here on top of them. 77 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,920 That's so crazy to me. 78 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,680 So, a lot of the stories that we have here 79 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,160 are literally about seeing a dark figure 80 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,840 that goes from the bar over here 81 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,040 and walking along the back of this room. 82 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,120 OK, so they see a figure. 83 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,720 They see like a shadow figure... A shadow figure. 84 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,480 ..go through this whole area 85 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,560 right here? Exactly. 86 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,720 Is there anything else anybody reports in here? 87 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,040 Just like... 88 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,600 People will walk in and feel just heaviness, 89 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,400 like something's just hit them 90 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,800 in the chest. OK. 91 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,080 Alright, so shadow and heaviness. So where should we go to next? 92 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,360 We're gonna go to the Grand Ballroom. 93 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,440 BOTH: OK. 94 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,160 Oh, wow. Yes. 95 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Oh, this is beautiful. 96 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,520 The chandeliers, everything is original here... 97 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,560 Great. ..to the Grand Ballroom from 1929. 98 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,200 I can see that. Yeah. Imagine, 99 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:21,200 we'd all stand up here and look over the works of the mines. 100 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:24,600 You look out the window and you can literally see the coal town 101 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,280 and the three tipples right below you. 102 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,400 What were the conditions of the workers in the mine? 103 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,840 Were they - Because we all know, you know - I mean it's hard work. 104 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:34,880 It's very hard labour. 105 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,720 You toiled six, seven days a week. 106 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:39,840 Yeah. Mm-hmm. 107 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,280 And you know, at that time, 108 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,120 there was some mechanisation in the mines. 109 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,040 But it was still back-breaking work. 110 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,240 Right. 111 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:55,640 Then in December 1940, the mine Raleigh number four explodes. 112 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,280 Oh, God. OK. 113 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,240 So seven guys were killed. Everything shook. 114 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,760 I mean, the whole town... 115 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,800 Felt it. ..shook when this exploded. 116 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Mmm. And so does anything specific happen in this room? 117 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,960 So, Nelly Rand, from the Rand-Bailey murders, 118 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,840 has been known to step out on the balcony there 119 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,680 wearing her silk dress 120 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,080 and look down like she's looking 121 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,520 for someone. Interesting. 122 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,160 Where did the - you were talking about murders, 123 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,160 where did the murders happen? The murders happened about 100 yards 124 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,400 out the back road here. There was just a back access road 125 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,240 to the golf course. Oh, so out here. 126 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,840 Yeah, and it was a very popular, 127 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,760 shall we say, lovers' lane at that time, in 1947. 128 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:40,600 Let's go take a look. Here, we can go out. 129 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,520 (EERIE MUSIC) 130 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,920 You can literally see the road runs 131 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,960 parallel to the golf course here. Oh, this one. 132 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,640 Yeah, that one right there. OK, so to be specific, this was... 133 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,560 This Nelly woman was with someone 134 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,120 who was not her husband, right? Right, E.Ray Bailey. 135 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,840 And so they were found shot? 136 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,160 Is that what it was? They were found shot. 137 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,040 OK. She came up the road here, 138 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,000 and stopped her car, and a few moments later... 139 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,280 Met her friend. ..Mr Bailey 140 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,680 pulls up behind her. Right. 141 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,600 From all evidence, she gets out, 142 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,000 walks down, gets in the back seat of his car. 143 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,240 Mmm. And about 15 minutes later, 144 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,520 three gunshots were heard. 145 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:20,800 Wow. Interesting. 146 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,840 I'm sure that was 147 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,920 a very sensational story. Very. 148 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,240 It's still the talk of the town. 149 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,760 And it's unsolved? They never... Unsolved... 150 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:29,400 found the murderer? ..to this day. 151 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,720 How does this place feel at night when the sun goes down? 152 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,840 Because it's about to happen. 153 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,600 It has a little bit of a different vibe. 154 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,360 Things get a little darker, so to speak. 155 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,360 You can hear a lot more at night. Right. 156 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,920 You really have a feeling of foreboding, the darker it gets. 157 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,880 OK. Where should we go to next? 158 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,640 We're gonna go to the grand staircase. 159 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,720 After you. Thank you. 160 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,080 Now, what happens on the staircase specifically? 161 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,680 So, in March of 1939, 162 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,280 Dr John McCulloch, who is a director of several corporations, 163 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,480 several coal companies, he was a doctor, he owns a hospital - 164 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,320 he's one of the executive board members here. 165 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,640 He's living upstairs in the apartments. 166 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,720 One night, they're having a party up here in the Grand Ballroom. 167 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,560 He comes out, he falls down the stairs... 168 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Ooh. ..crushes his skull... 169 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Oh, God. ..and dies right there. 170 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,000 Oh, my goodness. OK. Oh, wow. 171 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,640 So, from that time forward, 172 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,200 there's been activity reported of a gentleman 173 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,280 that glides down the stairs. 174 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,640 Up here on the landing, he's literally ran into people. 175 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:38,720 Mm-hmm. Whoa. 176 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,040 Did he have a family? 177 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,480 Yes, he did. He did? 178 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,000 OK. So he had a wife and kids... Right. 179 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:46,920 ..that he left behind. Which leaves the question, 180 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,880 why is he living in the apartment upstairs? 181 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,000 Yeah, that's weird. Why do you think he was living 182 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,160 in the apartment upstairs? 183 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,400 I believe he might have been estranged. 184 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,160 Interesting. You can see some 185 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,840 unresolved issues there potentially. Oh, yeah. Sudden death. 186 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Yeah. Especially somebody that powerful. 187 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,560 Should we go up or is there more down here? 188 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,720 No, let's go on up. OK. 189 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,160 Up the stairs of doom. 190 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,680 (EERIE MUSIC) 191 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,920 When they built the club in '29, 192 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,480 the idea was that they built apartments upstairs 193 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:22,240 in order that guests and other businessmen 194 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,640 visiting the coal company would have a private place to stay. 195 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,480 Oh, OK. Right. So they would 196 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,080 stay in the apartments here. 197 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,320 They see a lot of shadows darting about. 198 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,840 A lot of the past employees would not come up here alone. 199 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,520 Let's go back this way. The apartment 200 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,800 that Dr McCulloch would have stayed in 201 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,200 would have been the one on the far end. 202 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,240 Alright. So how many apartments are up here? 203 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,280 There were two apartments up here, and then some offices. 204 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,840 OK. And so this was probably Dr McCulloch's, as you said? 205 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:58,880 Yes. Alright. 206 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,560 So I guess we'll be looking for him. Mm-hmm. 207 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:02,920 So we'll follow you. 208 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,440 So is this city curious to know what's going on here? 209 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,120 A lot of the employees are, yes. Yeah, I can imagine. 210 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,800 I mean I'm sure they're also worried about people wanting 211 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,240 to continue to work here. Exactly. 212 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,640 I mean, they won't even go up on the third floor on their own. 213 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,560 I'm excited to get in here and see what kind of activity we get, 214 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,320 and see if we can get some identifying information... 215 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Right. ..for you and the city, and we're 216 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:32,240 just really thrilled that we've been entrusted with this, honestly. 217 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,960 I'm so excited to have you guys here. 218 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,000 It's already dark. 219 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,040 We've gotta get going. I know. It's that time of year. 220 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,920 So, alright, thank you. Thank you, sir. 221 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,600 We will let you know what we find out. 222 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,000 And be safe, have fun, don't fall down the stairs. 223 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,920 OK, we'll try our best. And if we need anything, 224 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,600 we can reach out, yeah? Alright, yeah. 225 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:48,320 Thank you. Everyone knows where to find me. 226 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:49,440 Alrighty. 227 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,680 There's a lot of history to this building, 228 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,080 and it is this kind of classic whodunnit 229 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,920 in addition to a haunting. You know, you have an unsolved murder. 230 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,400 There was a deadly mining accident that happened here. 231 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,480 And then on top of that, we have the staircase and Dr McCulloch. 232 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,400 We have everything in this place at this point, 233 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:09,960 and so it's going to be hard to cover, 234 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,120 but I think we're up to the task. 235 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,520 Where should we start? 236 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,000 We know about the unsolved murder. Mm-hmm. 237 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,440 It's the biggest thing that's happened in this area 238 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,760 that we know of... Right. 239 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,160 ..right, that deals with death. 240 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,640 Obviously I think we should start there. 241 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,240 We know that they both died in the back of his car. 242 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:35,680 There were three shots heard from here. 243 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,720 Right. Right? 244 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,800 And it's down a little access road. Yeah. 245 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,160 We can just go down there and investigate a little bit. 246 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,360 Alright. Let's start with that. Alright. 247 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,280 I think that sometimes these really sudden deaths do result 248 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,600 in a haunting, especially if it's something very emotional or tragic. 249 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:54,480 This double murder happened, 250 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:58,600 and I feel like those last moments for them were probably just filled 251 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,640 with mixed emotions - not only the terror of dying, 252 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,520 but also of what everyone is going to think, 253 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,680 and how is this going to affect everyone you love? 254 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,480 And then you're dead, you're gone. 255 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,920 I can't think of a more compelling reason, 256 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,160 like why someone would want to stay behind. 257 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,560 Alright, so this is the spot, where the car was found. 258 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,520 Well let's set up some stuff here. 259 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,400 Perfect. OK, I'm going to pull this up. 260 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:30,320 I'm gonna make a big circle. I want to use my SOS camera. 261 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:31,800 (FAINT NOISES) 262 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,200 Sounds like gunfire. 263 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,840 That's definitely someone shooting. 264 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,760 (TENSE MUSIC) 265 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,480 That's definitely someone shooting. 266 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:53,720 You can use that though. 267 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,200 You know, the sound of it? That's true. 268 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,440 Right now, Amy and I are setting up 269 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,480 some equipment out here where the murder took place. 270 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,000 There is random gunfire happening in the back, 271 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,240 which, you know, we are out in the country, so it's fine. 272 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,000 But we can use that to our advantage, 273 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,560 and we're going to see if that triggers activity. 274 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,160 Maybe somebody wants to talk to us, give us some answers, 275 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,400 because this murder is definitely unsolved. 276 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,680 Mrs Rand and Mr Bailey, 277 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,480 we're not here to judge your actions. 278 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,200 We don't know what you were doing here 279 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,800 or why you were together, 280 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,680 and frankly, we do not care. 281 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,960 But we do care about seeking justice for you. 282 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,560 So can you please just... 283 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,120 If you saw your attacker, 284 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,800 can you please tell us who pulled the trigger? 285 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,880 The year right now is 2022. 286 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,840 And people are still talking about what happened to you, 287 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,800 and people still want answers. 288 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,280 So you're not forgotten. 289 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,960 It must have been hard to be here, 290 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,840 knowing that it would look pretty scandalous 291 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,240 and realising that you were going to most likely not make it out alive, 292 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,760 and wondering what people were going to think. 293 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Mrs Rand, were you in love with Mr Bailey? 294 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,240 I know that this is going to get personal, 295 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,920 but we're just trying to figure out 296 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,280 if you're still out here and if you need anything. 297 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,960 Do you go into the country club 298 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,480 and interact with people that are in that building? 299 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,680 Alright, let's listen to this. 300 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,440 (RECORDING) We're not here to judge your actions. 301 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,400 We don't know what you were doing here or why you were here. 302 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,680 If you saw your attacker, can you please tell us 303 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,120 who pulled the trigger? 304 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,160 It must have been hard to be here, knowing that it was pretty scandalous 305 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,480 and realising that you were going to most likely not make it out alive. 306 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:10,240 I know this is going to get personal, 307 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,040 but we're just trying to figure out 308 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,400 if you're still out here and if you need anything. 309 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,920 So nothing on this. 310 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,320 It doesn't feel especially spooky out here. 311 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,280 But you know, they say they see Nelly in the club. 312 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,080 So honestly, we've learned that 313 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,680 people don't always haunt exactly the spot where they died. 314 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,720 Like, why would they be sitting here, you know? 315 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,640 We don't necessarily believe 316 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,440 that a spirit stays where the trauma happened. 317 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,840 We feel like they can move and they have freedom to go places. 318 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,120 But when you go to that spot 319 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,800 and you pay your respects, and you start investigating, 320 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,000 you never know what you're gonna get. 321 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,480 We're not trying to make grand leaps and assumptions. 322 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,840 We're just trying to experience activity 323 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,160 and it's pretty quiet. 324 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,400 But what we really need is information, 325 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,000 and sort of pinpoint who is here and why they might be here. 326 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,640 So tomorrow, we're going to gather as much research 327 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,240 as we possibly can, and then we're going to come back here 328 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,840 and we're going to investigate very hard. 329 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:11,720 (PENSIVE MUSIC) 330 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,200 Hi, I'm Adam. Hi, April Morgan. 331 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,280 Nice to meet you. Hi, I'm Amy. 332 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,520 Good to meet you. Nice to meet you. 333 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,040 We're looking for information about 334 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,640 the Black Knight Club or Country Club. 335 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,480 Specifically, obviously we look for ghosts, 336 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,760 so we're looking for all of, like... 337 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,760 (LAUGHS) We're looking for the bad stuff. 338 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Yeah, the weird things. Right. 339 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,520 That murder that happened is very weird. 340 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,200 Yes. Yes, well the murder of the couple 341 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,800 was just the start of it, then we had 342 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,200 an accidental death there, and then they had the mine explosion. 343 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,240 Right. Yes. 344 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,680 So now I've been kind of digging into the murders a little bit more. 345 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,880 Yes. And it sounds like... 346 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:52,960 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 347 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,120 So there were at least two - so, two people confessed, right? 348 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,000 There were two separate confessions. But neither was credible, and yeah. 349 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,200 They did arrest someone briefly too, right? 350 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,040 Like a cook or a chef or something? Yes, 351 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,040 and he was completely innocent to my understanding, so... 352 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,240 It looks like she may have even made it out of the car, 353 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,600 because like, her watch was outside. Her watch was outside, yep. 354 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Huh. Interesting. Tell me about the accidental death, 355 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,760 because we know of one that was an accident. 356 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,600 OK, which one do you know? McCulloch. 357 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,080 Yes, that's the same one, and it's very suspicious, again. 358 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,680 I know his heirs had gone back to the insurance company and requested 359 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,560 for his body to be exhumed, and they thought it was very suspicious. 360 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,120 Mm-hmm. And they really couldn't 361 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,480 settle with themselves, accepting that it was an accident. 362 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,200 So they thought someone pushed him maybe? 363 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,120 Perhaps. Mm-hmm. 364 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,320 I think that's kind of where they were leaning. 365 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,120 The witnesses around him basically said that they had 366 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,360 only seen him drink one or two drinks maybe, if that. 367 00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:59,520 There... 368 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,720 It was just very odd for him to have such an episode like that, 369 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,400 and so it's really hard for the community 370 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,720 to accept that as an accident. 371 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,040 I didn't realise that people thought 372 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:13,960 he may have been pushed. Mm-hmm. 373 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,520 Would there be anyone in the area or associated with him 374 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:24,600 or his business that would want to, you know, get rid of him? 375 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:30,120 I'm sure with being a man of such, you know, 376 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,840 high prosperity himself, 377 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,480 he probably did have a big target on his back, 378 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:36,880 if not for money, 379 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,200 possibly business motives. OK. 380 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,320 Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys. 381 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,400 Thank you for your help. Appreciate it. 382 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,200 April told us some really interesting facts. 383 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,480 This guy falls down the stairs and dies. 384 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,520 The rumour is he might have been pushed. 385 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,520 A lot of the times when we're investigating, 386 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,360 a spirit will act out because they have something to say, 387 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,400 and they have a story to tell, 388 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,160 and maybe that's what happened here. We definitely can 389 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,920 talk about that tonight when we investigate, 390 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,680 and then there is still a double murder outside, 391 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,880 and then this building is built on top of a coal mine, 392 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,080 where a tragic accident happened. 393 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,360 So, I guess at this point, we just get started. 394 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,600 We start asking questions and see 395 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,000 what comes up, and see where the night takes us. 396 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,440 Amy and I are going to probably focus on the first floor area, 397 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,600 specifically where Dr McCulloch passed away on the staircase, 398 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,040 and hopefully some of these ghosts are going to spill the beans. 399 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,600 Is there someone here named Dr McCulloch? 400 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,440 Doctor, we know what happened to you here on the steps. 401 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,680 And they say they see you sometimes, 402 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,720 so if you are here, we'd love to chat with you. 403 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,920 Can you come down the stairs and talk to us please, sir? 404 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,240 Is there someone here who knows a Dr McCulloch? 405 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,160 Can you light up one of those lights for us? 406 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,600 Can you describe what happened to you? 407 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,560 Do you miss the way this place used to be? 408 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,240 Did something change? 409 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,040 Did you like those changes? 410 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:37,360 Did you prefer it... Wait, wait, wait... 411 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,960 I heard that back down the way. I heard like a bang... 412 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,400 From the bar area. Yeah. 413 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,680 (TENSE MUSIC) 414 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,280 Hello? 415 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:50,640 Ooh, it went off. That lit up. 416 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,000 (IMPACT NOISE) Ooh (BLEEP)! 417 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,280 I thought the door was opening - is it opening? 418 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,880 I don't know. What was that? I was leaning on it, but like... 419 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,600 Did they just try to open it? 420 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Do you - whoa! 421 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,920 What just happened? I don't know. 422 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,160 (TENSE MUSIC) 423 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:11,840 I jumped! 424 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,400 I thought somebody was trying to get out. 425 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,920 I was leaning up against it, too. 426 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,680 I was, like, on it. So for it to go like this... 427 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,400 That is bizarre. I saw this jam open. Yeah, that's crazy. 428 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,360 Let's see this recorder and see if anything's 429 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,160 coming up. Yeah, I thought I was falling... 430 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,720 Honestly, it made me feel like I was falling that way, 431 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,400 like it was going to open the other way. That's so wild. 432 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,120 I thought someone was trying to... Like someone was 433 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,440 coming out of the door. Yeah! 434 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,080 Ugh. 435 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,520 (GROANS) 436 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,120 That's so weird. (RECORDING PLAYS) 437 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,280 Here's the thing. OK, real quick. 438 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:46,640 No one's ever investigated here before. 439 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:47,840 Number one. Yep. 440 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,880 And certainly not at night. 441 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,880 They say a lot of things happen during the day, but the thing is, 442 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,400 it's because people are here during the day. 443 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,640 No one's here at night hanging out 444 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,640 in the darkness like this. Yeah, yeah. 445 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,040 And he said that it changes at night. 446 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:01,360 It's like weird... It feels 447 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,560 (BLEEP) weird in here. OK, let's listen. 448 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,160 (RECORDING) Is there someone here named Dr McCulloch? 449 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,120 Doctor, we know what happened to you here on the steps. 450 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,640 (GARBLED RECORDING) 451 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,920 Can you come down the stairs and talk to us please, sir? 452 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,080 (GARBLED RECORDING) 453 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,120 That just went off. 454 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,240 Did something change? Did you like those changes? 455 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,440 BOTH: Whoa! 456 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,040 Did not like the changes. Nuh-uh. (CHUCKLES) 457 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:34,640 OK, so literally, the scream and then this. 458 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,000 So literally something was mad about the changes, and then 459 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,080 comes over here, screams into the recorder, 460 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,960 and then comes over here and jams open this door 461 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,280 while you're leaning on it. 462 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:46,600 Like, obviously... Not happy 463 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,480 with the changes. They don't us - yeah. 464 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,960 Wow. 465 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,680 So, are you... 466 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,680 Do you have anything, like initial thoughts? 467 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:05,960 Yeah, before we go in? 468 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,920 A couple of things. Mm-hmm. 469 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,080 Right below the level 470 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,400 that I can hear things clearly... 471 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,880 Mm-hmm. ..all day, I've heard 472 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,920 a deep man's voice just droning. 473 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,920 You know when you hear something and you can't make it out? 474 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Mm-hmm. It's that 475 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,040 sort of a thing. OK, alright. 476 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,200 A woman saying, 'Help me.' 477 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,760 OK. OK. 478 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,520 And I'm worried about... 479 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,560 The entire mojo of this thing. OK. 480 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,840 Alright, come inside. 481 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,480 Let's take a little walk. OK. 482 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,440 Oh. 483 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,720 Let's go this way. 484 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,360 (TENSE MUSIC) 485 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,920 My head hurts on this side. 486 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,520 This Nelly woman was with someone who was not her husband. Right? 487 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,160 And so they were found shot, 488 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,840 is that what it was? They were found shot. 489 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,680 Dr John McCulloch who is living upstairs in the apartments, 490 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,600 he comes out, he falls down the steps... 491 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,720 Oh. ..crushes his skull... 492 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,320 Oh, God. ..and dies right there. 493 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,080 Oh, my goodness. OK. Oh, wow. 494 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,440 Mm-hmm, OK. OK. 495 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,280 Do you get anything from the staircase in particular? 496 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,280 A jolt. 497 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,920 A jolt. Did someone fall down these stairs? 498 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,560 Shoved, fell, lunged. 499 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,640 OK. OK. 500 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,200 APRIL: They thought that it was very suspicious. 501 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,560 So they thought someone pushed him, maybe? 502 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,760 Perhaps. 503 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,960 I think that's kind of where they were leaning. 504 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,640 Check here. 505 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,400 (TENSE MUSIC) 506 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,360 You may get sensor things going off at the bottom of the stairs. 507 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,240 And don't be surprised... 508 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,680 I don't know now that I've told you that you'll hear that 509 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:26,400 low level male deep voice underneath stuff. 510 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,480 Here? 511 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,760 Yeah. Mm-hmm. 512 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,040 We already did all of those things, just now. 513 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:32,080 Just to be clear, all of that 514 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,640 already happened. Already - yeah. 515 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,400 Hello? 516 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,720 Ooh, that went off. That lit up. 517 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,480 (RECORDING) Did you like those changes? 518 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,320 BOTH: Whoa! 519 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,600 It already happened. Do you want me to focus more 520 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,880 on here? No, you're good, 521 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,240 you got it. You're good, yeah, no, this is, 522 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,240 this is great, yeah. I mean there is a question as to 523 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,320 whether what happened here was intentional or not though. 524 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000 That's never been... (CLEARS THROAT) 525 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,560 I got jolt. Yeah. 526 00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,920 And if someone's jolted... 527 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000 That's... That's like a... 528 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520 That's a shove. Mm-hmm. That's a shove. 529 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,600 That's... 530 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,960 Yep, OK. 531 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,360 We're gonna have to go up. Let's do it. 532 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,080 (SOFT EERIE MUSIC) 533 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,680 (WHISPERS) Whispering up here. Mmm. 534 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,480 Lots of whispering up here. 535 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,560 OK. 536 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,640 Shadows. 537 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,200 Active. Very active up here. OK. 538 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,240 They see a lot of shadows darting about. 539 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,880 Mm-hmm. They... 540 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,120 A lot of the past employees would not come up here alone. 541 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,360 Where George is at the end of the hallway... 542 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,040 Yeah? They'll see things down there. 543 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,640 OK. 544 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,040 Moving back and forth in that area. 545 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,360 OK. 546 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,520 The space just feels like there's a lot of energy in it. 547 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,720 This particular area. 548 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,920 Should we drive him down to that spot real quick? 549 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,840 Yeah. Why not? Yeah. 550 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,440 So right now, we're going to drive out 551 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,640 to where the murders happened, and see what Chip picks up on. 552 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,600 It'll be interesting to see how his impressions 553 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,520 compare to what we already know. 554 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,600 What I feel out here is just that overall pervasive element 555 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,920 of wanting to get the hell away from here, 556 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,920 and escape, and the mojo just being all whack. 557 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080 OK. That makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. 558 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,360 Everything is just like, it's like crazy time. 559 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,560 BOTH: Mm-hmm. 560 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,960 Just, 'Get me out of here!' OK. 561 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,200 Mm-hmm. 562 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,680 We can fill you in. Please. 563 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,000 Two people were shot right here in their car, 564 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,920 in one of their cars. Ooh. 565 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,160 Yeah. Mm-hmm. 566 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,680 In the 1940s. 1947. 567 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,920 Gory. 568 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,080 There was a female and a male, and the female, 569 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,400 they found her watch outside and blood outside, 570 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,280 which means that she got out of the car. 571 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,040 Could she be the one I picked up, up there? 572 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:40,200 That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I think it was 573 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,120 her energy. 'Help me.' Yeah. 574 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,680 It seemed like she was trying to get away. 575 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,320 Anything else? 576 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,040 (TENSE MUSIC) 577 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,720 No. I'll keep trying to tap in. 578 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,320 Yeah, so maybe if you investigate with us, 579 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,360 maybe something will come up that way. 580 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,640 I would love to do that. OK. 581 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,600 And let's see what we get. 582 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,000 OK. Some of the things 583 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,880 that Chip is saying matches up with 584 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,480 the activity that we've already experienced. 585 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,600 First and foremost, he picked up on 586 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,280 all the activity that we had at the base of the staircase, 587 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,040 and then a gentleman - possibly the doctor - 588 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,640 he talked about this woman who was trying to escape, 589 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,840 and that rang a bell for us. 590 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,160 He talked about, 'I've got a pain in my head.' 591 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,520 Does it connect to the murders that happened down the street? 592 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,800 They had trauma to the head. It's the doctor. I don't know. 593 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600 Which is very, very interesting and intriguing. 594 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 So last night, we had a tonne of activity in this place, 595 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:40,200 and a lot of it seemed to stem from 596 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,840 us mentioning Dr McCulloch specifically. 597 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,960 So, we have a lot more questions. 598 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,240 So, we'll see what comes of the investigation. 599 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,280 They say that there was a poker game in here that lasted like 50 years. 600 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,960 What?! It went until the 8th. 601 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,880 Yeah, it was a weekly poker game, 602 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,040 that people would join and there was a buy in. 603 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,840 So I'm going to put this in a circle, 604 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,440 as if we're round... Playing poker. 605 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,280 Playing poker. We're around a table. 606 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,600 Alright, so let's do a little EVP work here. 607 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,920 So whoever is in here who is non-living, 608 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520 we have been here for a while, 609 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,280 and we've definitely been in touch 610 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,400 with some of you and in contact with some of you 611 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,080 on the second and first floor. 612 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,800 But is there anyone here who wants to talk to us? 613 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,400 Is it safe up here? 614 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,600 A lot of people who work here come up here 615 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,960 and they don't feel safe. 616 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,040 We're wondering if Mr McCulloch is up here. 617 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,000 Sir, if you're up here, are you still in charge? 618 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,520 Were these apartments used for unsavoury things? 619 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,360 Did things go on up here that the public should not know? 620 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,920 Does anyone know who killed 621 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,600 the two people in the car down the street? 622 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaking of that, was Dr McCulloch murdered? 623 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,640 Was he pushed? 624 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,320 OK, let's listen and see if we've got anything here. 625 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960 I'm not feeling much... You never know, though. 626 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,120 I know. We'll see. I wasn't feeling much last night. 627 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,600 I know, right? And then something tried to... 628 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,200 Curl. ..push you. 629 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,560 I know. I can't tell what. 630 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,680 (RECORDING) We have been here for a while, 631 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,160 and we've definitely been... 632 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,280 (GARBLED RECORDING) In contact on the second... 633 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,560 That just went off. Yep. 634 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240 (GARBLED RECORDING CONTINUES) 635 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,280 Ooh! 636 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,440 'I do.' 'I do.' 637 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520 We're wondering if Mr McCulloch is up here. 638 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,960 If you're up here... 639 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,280 I'm afraid he's going to yell at me. I know. 640 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,360 (RECORDING CONTINUES PLAYING) 641 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,120 Did things go on up here that the public should not know? 642 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,560 (SCRATCHY NOISES) 643 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,320 Did that just say, 'Can't tell you,' 644 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,880 because I'm telling you... What?! 645 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,480 Go back! Wait. 646 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,720 (PLAYBACK RESUMES) Did things go on up here 647 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,560 that the public should not know? (SCRATCHY NOISES) 648 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,360 Ooh! 'Can't tell you'! 649 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,040 That says that so clearly. 650 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,720 That's so weird. 'Can't tell you.' 651 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,320 I mean, that, you can hear 652 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,240 the vocal folds... 'Can't tell you.' 653 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,000 ..flapping round. 100 percent. 654 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,680 That the public should not know? (SCRATCHY NOISE) 655 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,320 'Can't tell you.' 'Can't tell you.' 656 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,000 Does it say 'Can't tell anyone'? No, it just says can't tell you. 657 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,200 That's so crazy. That's so weird. 658 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,520 Let's go down the end of the hallway. 659 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,680 Dr McCulloch's office. 660 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,560 I think now we need to kind of 661 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,520 hone in on who it is we're talking to, 662 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,080 and so we definitely want to try to contact him further. 663 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,560 Dr McCulloch, we know this was your office, 664 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,520 and this was probably one of the last places you were alive. 665 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,840 So if you're here now, can you please talk to us? 666 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,280 (PENSIVE MUSIC) 667 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,320 We would like to let you know that... 668 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,840 What was that? I heard that too. 669 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,840 I heard that back there. Yes, ma'am. 670 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,880 (TENSE MUSIC) 671 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,680 It's not done. Shh. Give me that, please. 672 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440 Something was moving around in there. 673 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160 Mr McCulloch, or Dr McCulloch, 674 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,040 are you trying to get in touch with us? 675 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Maybe give him dark again. 676 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,440 Let's all be super-quiet and not move around. 677 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,520 Can you make that noise again, please? 678 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,840 We're not asking you to do tricks, we're just trying to see 679 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:01,440 if you're here, and we're trying to solve what happened to you. 680 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880 We've heard a lot of rumours and stories about you, 681 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,080 and we know the truth. Like, some people said that 682 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,280 you were very drunk, but we know that that's not true, 683 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,240 from witness statements. 684 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Dr McCulloch, did someone murder you? 685 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,680 Did someone push you down those stairs? 686 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,360 If so, why did they do it? 687 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,720 If you are not Dr McCulloch, 688 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,640 could you please tell us what your name is? 689 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,840 Do you come up here to hide from everyone downstairs? 690 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,520 If you're not Dr McCulloch, we still want to talk to you. 691 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,240 Can you tell us what your name is? 692 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,560 (TENSE MUSIC CONTINUES) 693 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,360 OK, we're going to turn this off, but just so you know, 694 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,000 we can hear you with this device, 695 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:13,200 so keep talking when we ask questions. (CLEARS THROAT) 696 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,000 (RECORDING PLAYS) This is file eight. 697 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,840 And it's probably the last place that you were alive. 698 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,560 (SHARP NOISE) (INVESTIGATORS REACT) 699 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,360 Ooh, yes! 700 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,040 Right? Yeah. 701 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,800 Your office, and it's probably the last place that you were alive. 702 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:30,640 'Yes.' 703 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:33,200 That's what he sounded like downstairs. 704 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,280 Mm-hmm. 705 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,200 Mr McCulloch, or Dr McCulloch. 706 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,400 Are you trying to get in touch with us? 707 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,000 We're trying to solve what happened... 708 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,200 (GARBLED NOISE) 709 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,800 Ooh! Whoa. 710 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,560 We're not trying to get you to do tricks, 711 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,600 we're just trying to see if you're here. 712 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,080 We're trying to solve what happened... 713 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000 (GARBLED NOISES) 714 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,040 What? Did that say what I thought 715 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,440 it said? I think it says murder. 716 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,160 Murder. I think it says murder. 717 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,320 Listen. 718 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,360 Again, it's murder. Yeah. 719 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,680 (GARBLED RECORDING) 720 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,240 Dr McCulloch, did someone murder you? 721 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,600 (SCRATCHY NOISE) 722 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,080 Dr McCulloch, did someone murder you? 723 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,880 Yes, they did. 724 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,160 Yes, they did. Yes they did! 725 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:36,040 If you're not Dr McCulloch... I mean, what do we do? 726 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,040 Tell his story. I don't know. 727 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,560 I mean, he's answering us. 728 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,240 Murder at The Black Knight. 729 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,600 Murder at The Black Knight. 730 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,760 Dr McCulloch. That's a scary movie. 731 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480 I feel so bad because you know, it's like... 732 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,880 What do you do now? 733 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,600 I mean, what better reason for someone to haunt a building? 734 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,720 Yeah. They were murdered. 735 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,000 And he was young. He was like 53, had his whole life ahead of him. 736 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,920 He was very well-liked, very well-respected, 737 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,120 and gets pushed down some stairs by God knows who. 738 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,960 He'll never find justice. I'm sorry, sir, but... 739 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,000 Yeah. ..the justice 740 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,640 will never be served in that case. 741 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:15,200 There was a lot of tragedy and a seedy side to this place. 742 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,640 Yeah, 100 percent. 743 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,240 Yeah, I mean, what's weird is like - so he mentioned murder yesterday. 744 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,960 I think what's very telling is... 745 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,600 He's speaking about his story, right, 746 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,920 no one's ever investigated this place, ever, and it's like, 747 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,760 'Finally someone is listening to me 748 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,880 and I can talk about what happened.' Right. 749 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,760 And maybe that gives him some relief... 750 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,800 I mean, it's... ..and maybe it like - you know, 751 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,840 us knowing and telling them at least, like, 752 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,240 look, we don't know if it's true, but these EVPs are really strong. 753 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,400 And he really wants - like, he pushed that door last night. 754 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,800 Yes. That's insane. I mean, he's really strong. 755 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,360 Like, he wants his story told. 756 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:55,720 So maybe that's the solution at this point, is just continuing on 757 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,200 telling his story, talking about what could have happened to him. 758 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,400 Yeah, Dr McCulloch, if you're listening to us, 759 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,720 if it is you talking, obviously we hear you, 760 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,640 we have your story from your mouth, your words. 761 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,600 We will tell the people that work here about you. 762 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,000 You are not forgotten sir, at all. No, definitely not. 763 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,600 If anything, people are going to talk about you more than ever. 764 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,640 Throughout this investigation, I feel like we've been getting 765 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,920 a lot of communication with Dr McCulloch, 766 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,600 and tonight was no exception. 767 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,640 As we heard the word murder, 768 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:28,920 it's one of those moments where as an investigator, 769 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,640 you can't help but get excited when you get really great EVPs. 770 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,840 But then you start digging into the deeper meaning 771 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,680 of what it is that you're talking about. 772 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,680 You know, someone died here. 773 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,720 I do have to admit I feel a little helpless 774 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,960 when it comes to him, because so much time has passed. 775 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,560 There's literally no way we'll be 776 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,880 able to prove whether or not he was murdered. 777 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,600 I can't think of a more compelling reason, 778 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,640 why someone would want to stay behind and get their story across. 779 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:58,320 But how many more stories are there to be told here? 780 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,080 There are definitely spirits at unrest in this building, 781 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,680 and they have every reason to be. 782 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,160 The story of the double murder, I think it haunts everyone here, 783 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,320 and I think we did talk to them a bit. 784 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,640 Do you have anything, like initial thoughts? 785 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,720 A woman saying, 'Help me.' 786 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,040 OK. OK. 787 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,240 What I feel out here is just that overall pervasive element 788 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,440 of wanting to get the hell away from here and escape. 789 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,840 I wish that we would be able to get something just more definitive 790 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,320 and some way to solve it. 791 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,640 But hopefully we can leave it in the hands of Scott 792 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,160 and some other investigators and employees. 793 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:35,200 Maybe they can work with Nelly in the long run. 794 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,440 (MOODY MUSIC) 795 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,880 So welcome back, Scott. I think that 796 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,320 Adam and I can both say 797 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,040 that this might be the first time a location was more haunted 798 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,760 than the people who asked us 799 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,520 to be there realised. Oh. 800 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,800 So I think overall we can just tell you 801 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,360 that you definitely have some spirits here 802 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,080 who are classically at unrest. 803 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,600 Like, they are not feeling as though 804 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,840 they were given justice in life... 805 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,200 Oh, wow. ..as far as what happened to them. 806 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,080 We did bring in Chip Coffey, 807 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,960 and he did a full walkthrough of the location, 808 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:25,880 and he did really pick up on who we think might be Dr McCulloch. 809 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,080 Chip picked up on a gentleman. 810 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,560 It was pretty interesting, because we had already had 811 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,640 a bunch of activity, which we're about to show you, 812 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,480 related to a gentleman, we believe. 813 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,840 So we went to the stairs, and we started asking questions, 814 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,960 and we got some pretty crazy responses, 815 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,720 and a really wild experience that, I mean, might rival 816 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,320 any experience we've had 817 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,360 in the last few cases, so... Yeah, and I am leaning 818 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,680 on the office door. The office door is shut, 819 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,840 and my back is on it. 820 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,520 The door, it was like somebody pushed 821 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,160 or pulled on the door, 822 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,000 and it like jolted me forward. She saw it. 823 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,600 I saw the door open like they didn't realise Adam was sitting against it. 824 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,440 I opened the door immediately and nobody was trying to open it. 825 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,240 We don't know how that happens or why that happens. 826 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,720 We knew then that we were dealing 827 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,560 with someone who really wanted 828 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,760 to get our attention. Yeah. 829 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,760 So then we went into Mr McCulloch's office. 830 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,400 We did a lot of digging into his situation, and it sounds 831 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,200 very much like there was some question as to whether he fell 832 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,360 or he was pushed. Right. 833 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,600 And we said, you know, 'We're trying to solve what happened to you.' 834 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,640 (RECORDING) We're just trying to see if you're here. 835 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,400 We're trying to solve what happened to you. 836 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,040 (GARBLED NOISE) 837 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,320 Do you hear anything? 838 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,280 Like, pushed, murder, it's... Murder. 839 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,360 I mean, immediately after you say that, it's just like, 840 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,760 boom, yeah. Murder. 841 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,640 He was pretty chatty while we were here, 842 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:54,520 and obviously made that door slam open. 843 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,600 We say, 'Did someone murder you?' 844 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,880 (RECORDING) Dr McCulloch, did someone murder you? 845 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,280 I think it's, 'Yes, they did.' 'Yes, they did.' Yeah. 846 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,360 They did. 847 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,320 We don't ever know what we're gonna expect 848 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,240 when we come and investigate a place, but the fact 849 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,600 that this stuff comes up, like it's just so wild. 850 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,160 But we did say to him that we will tell your story. 851 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,120 We'll make sure the people that work here 852 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,640 know who you are, know that you're around... 853 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,440 Right. That's... 854 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,160 And as a historian, that's important to me. 855 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,440 We want to get the story right. Exactly. 856 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,160 While we're doing these EVPs, 857 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,880 there's this little nook to the left of us. 858 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,880 We kept hearing things move in there, 859 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,000 and it was as if, you know, he was hiding, 860 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,840 and then came out and wanted to talk to us. 861 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,600 It was really odd. Yeah. 862 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,120 And so, as far as Nelly, 863 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,120 we didn't get a lot of actual evidence of her, but Chip 864 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,560 picked up on a woman running and asking for help, over and over, 865 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,960 asking for help. And I know just reading into 866 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,200 the murder, it seemed like she got out of the car... 867 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,880 Right. ..and was probably trying 868 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,440 to make it up to here. 869 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,600 That would be her instinct, I assume. 870 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,800 And so, I think he was picking up on that energy. 871 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,800 But other than that, we didn't get a whole lot from them, or her. 872 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,040 Did you pick up on anything that was malevolent? 873 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,120 Was there... 874 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,760 No. No. It was very much like, 'Tell our story,' and like... 875 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,240 That's great to know. Yeah. 876 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,040 You know, on that note, Dr McCulloch was the one that reached out to us, 877 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,840 right? He was the one that needed to be heard the most. 878 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,840 However, obviously we think there are other spirits here 879 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,520 that need their story told. 880 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,040 There - you know, there are unseen folks here 881 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,880 who are very much a part of this building. 882 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,800 Yeah. And the more you tell their story 883 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,960 and the more you talk to them and acknowledge them, 884 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,720 the more at peace they will be. 885 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,200 Mm-hmm. Right. Thank you so much. 886 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,240 I always walk in the building and say, 'Hello, 887 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,280 how are we doing?' And I tell them goodbye when we leave. 888 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,040 Well thank you so much. Well, thank you. 889 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,360 We appreciate it. It's so awesome 890 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,120 to have you guys. Thank you. 891 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,200 Scott is one of the most incredible people 892 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,440 that we have been able to help. 893 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,640 He's a historian, he deals in facts, 894 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,640 he's very passionate about this building and this town. 895 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,040 He worked here. 896 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,440 We were able to shed light on who we thought was here. It was 897 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,240 a big relief for him, because he doesn't want this building 898 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,080 to get a bad reputation, and it's not. 899 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,840 This building is amazing. 900 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,040 It is very, very haunted, but I believe that if the stories 901 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,800 and the history is told correctly 902 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,840 about this building, the spirits probably, eventually, 903 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,640 will move on. 904 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,400 Again, it's safe, and I think that's the biggest thing 905 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,160 that Scott took away from our investigation. 906 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,240 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tv