1 00:00:47,045 --> 00:00:49,214 - What's up? What's up? - Hey. 2 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:53,418 What's up, fellas? 3 00:00:55,487 --> 00:00:57,423 My name's Danny Trejo, 4 00:00:57,555 --> 00:01:01,760 some of you might have seen me once in a while on TV. 5 00:01:01,895 --> 00:01:05,664 I, uh, I'm kind of at a loss for words 6 00:01:05,798 --> 00:01:07,033 'cause I, uh.. 7 00:01:07,165 --> 00:01:10,602 First of all, I, I love doing this, 8 00:01:10,736 --> 00:01:12,704 you know, this is one of the things 9 00:01:12,837 --> 00:01:16,475 that has kept me out of prison since 1969. 10 00:01:17,909 --> 00:01:20,045 My number was B-948. 11 00:01:36,728 --> 00:01:38,230 I remember this director once said, 12 00:01:38,364 --> 00:01:41,868 "Danny, kick in this door and intimidate." 13 00:01:42,001 --> 00:01:44,303 I kick in the door... 14 00:01:44,436 --> 00:01:47,305 "Cut!" He said, "Where did you study?" 15 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,677 Dale's Market, the Far East Market, Vonz. 16 00:01:56,281 --> 00:01:57,950 Alright, fellas, let's do this. 17 00:02:02,888 --> 00:02:06,058 They make movies and stories about guys like Danny, 18 00:02:06,191 --> 00:02:08,260 and actors are portraying those people. 19 00:02:09,594 --> 00:02:11,163 Danny is that guy. 20 00:02:14,901 --> 00:02:18,104 He's been in trouble since he was a kid. 21 00:02:18,237 --> 00:02:21,441 It just got worse and worse as he grew older. 22 00:02:24,075 --> 00:02:27,680 I'm always astonished by how he lived that life 23 00:02:27,812 --> 00:02:29,181 and survived. 24 00:02:31,950 --> 00:02:34,085 A lot of times you cannot make an amends for that, 25 00:02:34,218 --> 00:02:35,587 you can't clean that up. 26 00:02:37,956 --> 00:02:41,593 I feel Danny has paid his debt to society. 27 00:02:41,727 --> 00:02:43,663 I don't think Danny feels he has. 28 00:02:46,465 --> 00:02:48,268 Falling down is one thing. 29 00:02:51,836 --> 00:02:54,572 What do you do when you get back up? 30 00:02:54,706 --> 00:02:56,042 That's Danny's life. 31 00:03:10,256 --> 00:03:13,693 And it all comes back to where he started. 32 00:03:23,301 --> 00:03:27,939 My dad grew up in Pacoima, California. 33 00:03:28,074 --> 00:03:30,376 He actually grew up in this house 34 00:03:30,509 --> 00:03:32,344 that we're, that we're in right now. 35 00:03:32,478 --> 00:03:35,181 Back when there was a dairy farm over there, 36 00:03:35,313 --> 00:03:36,715 dirt roads, dirt allies, 37 00:03:36,848 --> 00:03:40,385 just poor Mexican neighborhood. 38 00:03:40,519 --> 00:03:41,854 This was life without seat belts, 39 00:03:41,987 --> 00:03:43,389 life without cell phones, 40 00:03:43,521 --> 00:03:45,924 life without some houses having telephones. 41 00:03:46,058 --> 00:03:48,193 From the time you were four, you just went out the door 42 00:03:48,326 --> 00:03:50,930 and hopefully you came home at dark. 43 00:03:51,062 --> 00:03:53,265 Pacoima and San Fernando 44 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:56,068 was just transitioning from farm land. 45 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,204 When I moved out there in the mid '50s, 46 00:03:58,336 --> 00:04:01,441 it was orange groves, we moved right into an orange grove. 47 00:04:01,574 --> 00:04:04,410 We turned on the faucets and mud would come out. 48 00:04:04,543 --> 00:04:06,913 Pacoima and Sylmar and all those communities 49 00:04:07,045 --> 00:04:09,715 were really just starting to grow up. 50 00:04:09,848 --> 00:04:11,783 There used to be this old man that walked around 51 00:04:11,917 --> 00:04:13,586 with this pony. 52 00:04:13,718 --> 00:04:15,353 I don't know what he charged, but I remember 53 00:04:15,486 --> 00:04:17,689 my mom seen the pony, I got on it, 54 00:04:17,824 --> 00:04:19,091 and they put this little scarf on me, 55 00:04:19,225 --> 00:04:22,227 I took a picture with that pony. 56 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,432 It was this kind of sense of ownership 57 00:04:26,565 --> 00:04:29,735 that all the kids had. We were creating this. 58 00:04:30,937 --> 00:04:34,273 Chevys, low riders, 59 00:04:34,406 --> 00:04:36,175 big Buicks. 60 00:04:36,307 --> 00:04:38,576 Back in the days in San Fernando, Pacoima, 61 00:04:38,711 --> 00:04:40,079 they did a lot of cruising, everybody 62 00:04:40,211 --> 00:04:42,079 was really into their cars. 63 00:04:42,213 --> 00:04:44,916 Particularly with the Mexican community, 64 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:47,653 the Chicano community, it wasn't to get the fast car, 65 00:04:47,786 --> 00:04:49,822 the vroom, the race car, the thoroughbred 66 00:04:49,954 --> 00:04:51,423 that could make it across lifers. 67 00:04:51,557 --> 00:04:53,824 They were show horses, they did slow, 68 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:57,161 so they paraded around with their little slow moves. 69 00:04:57,295 --> 00:04:58,997 It wasn't like, "Look at me be fast." 70 00:04:59,130 --> 00:05:01,265 It was, "Look at me be slow, 71 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:03,135 to admire the power." 72 00:05:05,504 --> 00:05:07,539 I remember cruising around when I was 13 years old 73 00:05:07,673 --> 00:05:09,641 in the backseat with a, 74 00:05:09,774 --> 00:05:12,745 a... a cord of Miller Highlight. Yeah. 75 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:15,814 I couldn't wait till I could get, you know, a... a car, 76 00:05:15,947 --> 00:05:18,584 a convertible, a sun low or something. 77 00:05:20,952 --> 00:05:24,622 How you doing? Alright! 78 00:05:24,757 --> 00:05:28,560 Machete cruises! 79 00:05:28,694 --> 00:05:30,830 Right now we're in a '60... 80 00:05:30,963 --> 00:05:34,167 I'm sorry, a '56 Chevy Bel Air. 81 00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:37,970 350 Chevy engine. And this is a monster. 82 00:05:38,103 --> 00:05:40,706 Now this is Branford, this is the street that I lived on. 83 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,507 It was really a good neighborhood. 84 00:05:42,641 --> 00:05:44,610 You know what I mean? 85 00:05:52,285 --> 00:05:54,554 Oh... 86 00:05:56,154 --> 00:05:59,057 I can actually beat that guy, isn't it? 87 00:05:59,190 --> 00:06:01,760 Oops. Foot took over. 88 00:06:04,797 --> 00:06:08,368 I love that. 89 00:06:10,869 --> 00:06:12,638 Neighborhoods were neighborhoods. 90 00:06:12,771 --> 00:06:15,174 When the lights went down, you know, the sun went down, 91 00:06:15,307 --> 00:06:17,242 things changed. 92 00:06:17,375 --> 00:06:19,310 The kids didn't have anything to do 93 00:06:19,444 --> 00:06:21,879 and there was no money and there was no employment for them 94 00:06:22,014 --> 00:06:23,415 or nothing, your parents were gone, 95 00:06:23,548 --> 00:06:27,786 working probably, so they got into mischief. 96 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,088 The atmosphere of Pacoima 97 00:06:29,221 --> 00:06:31,389 was that of a lot of tension. 98 00:06:31,524 --> 00:06:34,427 Pacoima was like the murder capital of Los Angeles 99 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,728 at the time. 100 00:06:36,862 --> 00:06:40,532 Pacoima, San Fernando, North Hollywood, Van Nuys, 101 00:06:40,665 --> 00:06:44,536 all the Latin communities used to, like, just be at war. 102 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:46,506 There were no automatic weapons, 103 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:48,439 there was none of this people driving down 104 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:51,377 and shooting everybody to get one person. 105 00:06:51,509 --> 00:06:53,512 There was no head of the Mafia 106 00:06:53,646 --> 00:06:56,247 because the Mafia hadn't even been formed yet. 107 00:06:56,380 --> 00:07:01,219 It was a lot more civilized, but it was still there. 108 00:07:06,725 --> 00:07:08,494 That's my old junior high school right there, 109 00:07:08,627 --> 00:07:12,465 Pacoima Junior High. We were, like, crazy there. 110 00:07:15,067 --> 00:07:17,201 This is Pacoima Middle School. 111 00:07:17,336 --> 00:07:19,403 It used to be Pacoima Junior High School, 112 00:07:19,538 --> 00:07:21,105 and then they changed it. 113 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,475 Everybody calls it Ritchie Valens Middle School 114 00:07:23,608 --> 00:07:25,810 'cause he went here. 115 00:07:25,944 --> 00:07:30,149 Me, Mike Cerno, Malcolm Armaderas, 116 00:07:30,281 --> 00:07:33,451 Julian Valdez, Eddy Valenzuela, 117 00:07:33,584 --> 00:07:35,654 they were like my dogs, man. 118 00:07:37,723 --> 00:07:40,526 I got here in 1957, I think, 119 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:42,994 when I moved into Pacoima. 120 00:07:43,127 --> 00:07:45,730 I got kicked out of here, went to San Fernando, 121 00:07:45,865 --> 00:07:49,768 but I never got in, I got in a fight on the steps. 122 00:07:49,901 --> 00:07:51,402 None of those buildings were there. 123 00:07:51,536 --> 00:07:53,072 There, there used to be an alley that went all the way 124 00:07:53,206 --> 00:07:54,674 like that way, there was old houses, 125 00:07:54,807 --> 00:07:57,643 and we used to steal wine out of Dale's Market 126 00:07:57,776 --> 00:08:00,179 and go drink in that alley. 127 00:08:00,312 --> 00:08:03,314 Hi, how are you? What's up? 128 00:08:03,449 --> 00:08:05,117 It's a weird trip, boy. 129 00:08:09,788 --> 00:08:13,425 We first got our television, I was about ten. 130 00:08:13,559 --> 00:08:17,629 And I missed about 15 days of school. 131 00:08:23,836 --> 00:08:26,605 Growing up, he's always loved Westerns, 132 00:08:26,737 --> 00:08:29,040 and if you love Westerns, you loved John Wayne. 133 00:08:31,076 --> 00:08:32,510 When I was 12 years old, 134 00:08:32,644 --> 00:08:35,813 I found out John Wayne was an actor, 135 00:08:35,947 --> 00:08:39,585 and that was a real shock to me 136 00:08:39,717 --> 00:08:41,586 because we thought 137 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,090 that The Duke was a historical figure. 138 00:08:45,222 --> 00:08:46,692 When my kids were little 139 00:08:46,826 --> 00:08:48,826 and John Wayne came on the screen, 140 00:08:48,961 --> 00:08:50,195 I'd say, "Stand up, it's John Wayne," 141 00:08:50,328 --> 00:08:51,529 and they would actually, like, stand up 142 00:08:51,663 --> 00:08:54,567 and we would all salute John Wayne. 143 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:56,701 He's like, "That's The Duke, 144 00:08:56,836 --> 00:08:58,604 you have to salute The Duke." 145 00:08:58,736 --> 00:09:02,339 He always had these great sayings. 146 00:09:02,474 --> 00:09:06,746 "Life is really tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." 147 00:09:09,346 --> 00:09:10,750 I like that. 148 00:09:11,817 --> 00:09:13,418 He was a hero. 149 00:09:13,552 --> 00:09:15,721 He didn't have to wear tights, he didn't have a cape, 150 00:09:15,854 --> 00:09:17,989 you know, he didn't fly, he just kicked ass. 151 00:09:21,493 --> 00:09:23,562 Pedro Gonzalez Gonzalez, 152 00:09:23,696 --> 00:09:25,697 he worked with John Wayne! 153 00:09:25,831 --> 00:09:28,834 He was actually one of the first Latins. 154 00:09:28,967 --> 00:09:31,169 When you saw him, you knew 155 00:09:31,302 --> 00:09:34,273 that your limit just increased. 156 00:09:34,405 --> 00:09:37,708 Wait till I show you what is in this package. 157 00:09:37,842 --> 00:09:41,979 In my neighborhood, you could either be a laborer 158 00:09:42,114 --> 00:09:43,783 or a criminal. 159 00:09:43,916 --> 00:09:46,585 I mean, you just didn't see a lot of lawyer Mexicans 160 00:09:46,717 --> 00:09:48,386 and a lot of doctors. 161 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:50,422 ...she could have climbed down. 162 00:09:50,554 --> 00:09:54,993 When I saw Pedro Gonzalez Gonzalez... 163 00:09:56,861 --> 00:10:01,466 you had another, wow, you could do that. 164 00:10:12,409 --> 00:10:13,778 And here's where I grew up was, I was about 165 00:10:13,912 --> 00:10:15,647 13 years old right here. 166 00:10:15,780 --> 00:10:17,482 I used to come home drunk, 167 00:10:17,615 --> 00:10:19,250 and on this big old wide street, 168 00:10:19,384 --> 00:10:23,121 I'd try to make a U-turn and still crash into the curb. 169 00:10:24,423 --> 00:10:28,059 My dad left my real mom. 170 00:10:28,192 --> 00:10:32,931 I was three, and I moved in with my grandma. 171 00:10:33,065 --> 00:10:35,967 I lived with a lot of girl cousins. 172 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:39,605 Yeah, it was like a real happy time in my life. 173 00:10:39,738 --> 00:10:42,040 Grandma was cool. 174 00:10:42,173 --> 00:10:44,043 That's why I started dancing, 175 00:10:44,176 --> 00:10:47,879 "American BandStand" and all that, so I could always dance. 176 00:10:49,181 --> 00:10:51,317 Nine women. 177 00:10:51,450 --> 00:10:55,387 And all of a sudden I move in with my grandfather, 178 00:10:55,519 --> 00:10:59,824 and my dad and my dad's six brothers. 179 00:11:02,528 --> 00:11:04,529 So shit really changed. 180 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:10,969 Kind of like going, like, from Shirley Temple to John Wayne. 181 00:11:11,101 --> 00:11:13,437 You find out real quick little boys don't do pee-pee 182 00:11:13,572 --> 00:11:14,807 sittin' down. 183 00:11:17,174 --> 00:11:21,813 My dad was my first role model, but... 184 00:11:25,450 --> 00:11:26,886 It wasn't very, uh... 185 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:30,722 huggy, 186 00:11:30,855 --> 00:11:34,960 I... I-love-you kind of guy. 187 00:11:35,092 --> 00:11:39,530 Not too much good happened between me and my dad. 188 00:11:39,663 --> 00:11:41,066 He would tell me that 189 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,435 "Man, I wasn't really that good at working." 190 00:11:43,568 --> 00:11:46,003 "And every time my, my dad will see me, 191 00:11:46,138 --> 00:11:47,572 he'll get pissed off and he'll say, 192 00:11:47,706 --> 00:11:49,841 'Man, go inside and go wash dishes, 193 00:11:49,975 --> 00:11:52,110 go and help your mom wash dishes!'" 194 00:11:52,243 --> 00:11:54,913 We come from the same neighborhood, 195 00:11:55,046 --> 00:11:58,450 His father was mean, my father was mean, you know? 196 00:12:00,418 --> 00:12:03,388 A big old smack in the head. 197 00:12:03,522 --> 00:12:06,291 "My job is to support this family. 198 00:12:06,423 --> 00:12:08,592 Don't ask for anything else." 199 00:12:08,726 --> 00:12:11,163 I know that sounds harsh and it sounds like he was mean, 200 00:12:11,296 --> 00:12:13,232 but that's just the way it was. 201 00:12:16,467 --> 00:12:19,703 In this neighborhood, success is like a, a house, 202 00:12:19,837 --> 00:12:21,774 a car and a camper. 203 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:23,942 And I... I think my dad was just kind of saying, 204 00:12:24,076 --> 00:12:27,178 "Is that all there is? You know, is that all there is?" 205 00:12:27,312 --> 00:12:31,115 You know, and then kind of disappointed at the end, 206 00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:35,788 you know what I mean, the "Wow, is that all there is?" You know? 207 00:12:37,655 --> 00:12:39,690 He was real strict with him. 208 00:12:39,825 --> 00:12:43,795 His mom, Alice, would come to the rescue. 209 00:12:43,927 --> 00:12:46,097 Alice was not his birth mother, 210 00:12:46,231 --> 00:12:47,598 but was his mother. 211 00:12:47,731 --> 00:12:51,269 When Danny moved back to live with his father, 212 00:12:51,403 --> 00:12:53,337 he was already married to Alice, 213 00:12:53,471 --> 00:12:56,075 and Alice never had children of her own, 214 00:12:56,207 --> 00:12:58,009 but Danny was her son. 215 00:12:58,143 --> 00:12:59,911 That's his mom, that's the person 216 00:13:00,044 --> 00:13:01,346 that was there for him. 217 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,249 Alice was there, always, for him. 218 00:13:04,381 --> 00:13:07,117 She'd been with me since I was three. 219 00:13:07,251 --> 00:13:10,622 She would always say something to throw water 220 00:13:10,755 --> 00:13:14,058 on whatever was happening with me and my dad. 221 00:13:14,192 --> 00:13:16,562 One of her dreams was to have a restaurant. 222 00:13:16,695 --> 00:13:18,664 So we'd talk about a restaurant. 223 00:13:18,797 --> 00:13:20,298 "Hey, mom, yeah, and we can do this 224 00:13:20,432 --> 00:13:21,832 and you can make your tacos." 225 00:13:21,966 --> 00:13:23,269 And my dad would always, like, 226 00:13:23,402 --> 00:13:26,172 "Ahem. Hey, we got a kitchen right there..." 227 00:13:27,706 --> 00:13:30,576 He was like the, the Mexican Archie Bunker. 228 00:13:37,716 --> 00:13:40,619 My dad, I think he hated his younger brother 229 00:13:40,751 --> 00:13:42,153 'cause I worshipped him. 230 00:13:42,287 --> 00:13:44,822 My dad knew what Gilbert was doing, 231 00:13:44,956 --> 00:13:47,158 and they, they couldn't keep me away from him. 232 00:13:47,293 --> 00:13:49,727 I remember when I graduated from junior high school, 233 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:52,798 graduated on a Friday. 234 00:13:52,931 --> 00:13:56,301 My dad found me passed out in Gilbert's front yard 235 00:13:56,433 --> 00:13:58,836 on Wednesday. 236 00:13:58,971 --> 00:14:02,640 To know Danny is you must know of Gilbert. 237 00:14:06,311 --> 00:14:09,147 My uncle was doing robberies and shooting dope. 238 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,250 God, man, it was like, always had a car, always had money 239 00:14:12,384 --> 00:14:15,620 and never had a sweat ring. 240 00:14:16,989 --> 00:14:18,657 When my Uncle Gilbert was on the run, 241 00:14:18,791 --> 00:14:20,893 he used to sneak in to that window. 242 00:14:21,025 --> 00:14:22,560 That was before we had bars, 243 00:14:22,693 --> 00:14:26,964 before my mom lived alone, and so that was my room. 244 00:14:27,097 --> 00:14:30,201 He didn't fit in real well with his older brothers. 245 00:14:30,335 --> 00:14:31,802 I didn't fit in with anybody, you know, 246 00:14:31,936 --> 00:14:34,339 so me and him just really like, 247 00:14:34,472 --> 00:14:37,007 became inseparable. 248 00:14:37,142 --> 00:14:39,211 When he talks about Gilbert, he talks about 249 00:14:39,344 --> 00:14:42,347 the clothes he wore and pulling up in the new Cadillac 250 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,215 and the money he was throwing around. 251 00:14:44,349 --> 00:14:46,918 That was amazing to see as an eight-year-old, 252 00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:49,788 nine-year-old boy, just like, "Wow, he's got the girls, 253 00:14:49,922 --> 00:14:53,057 the car, the money. I want that." 254 00:14:53,192 --> 00:14:57,195 All my friends' older brothers 255 00:14:57,328 --> 00:14:59,864 and sisters... 256 00:15:00,831 --> 00:15:03,100 respected Gilbert. 257 00:15:03,235 --> 00:15:05,470 So when I was with him, 258 00:15:05,602 --> 00:15:09,073 I automatically got that "Wow." 259 00:15:09,206 --> 00:15:10,775 Everybody knew. 260 00:15:12,777 --> 00:15:15,547 Gilbert goes by, let Gilbert go by. 261 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:18,282 You know, that's how it was. 262 00:15:18,416 --> 00:15:21,020 He was a real gangster. 263 00:15:21,153 --> 00:15:22,519 Great sense of humor, 264 00:15:22,653 --> 00:15:24,923 and if you pissed him off, he'd kill you. 265 00:15:25,057 --> 00:15:26,792 He turned me on to grass, I was about eight, 266 00:15:26,924 --> 00:15:29,193 and my mom and dad did everything to try 267 00:15:29,326 --> 00:15:31,096 to keep me away from him, but you know, 268 00:15:31,229 --> 00:15:35,200 things kind of had already lost control. 269 00:15:35,332 --> 00:15:39,036 Scary when you see a certain type of kid 270 00:15:39,171 --> 00:15:42,807 vibrate towards that direction so radically, so quickly. 271 00:15:42,941 --> 00:15:46,412 Danny was in a high-stakes world from a very young age. 272 00:15:48,312 --> 00:15:51,283 My dad was always a fighter, that was his thing. 273 00:15:51,417 --> 00:15:54,653 This is a, a picture of him at 18 getting pulled away 274 00:15:54,787 --> 00:15:57,523 from a fight at the park, right here. 275 00:15:59,157 --> 00:16:00,926 She looks just pissed. 276 00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:07,164 Well, Uncle Gilbert taught him how to box, 277 00:16:07,298 --> 00:16:09,100 started him boxing. 278 00:16:09,234 --> 00:16:11,636 He became very good at it. 279 00:16:11,769 --> 00:16:14,139 He was a welterweight champion 280 00:16:14,272 --> 00:16:18,210 in his paratrooper unit, 101st. 281 00:16:18,342 --> 00:16:20,678 He was in the golden gloves, 282 00:16:20,812 --> 00:16:22,147 and I was his sparring partner. 283 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,581 I was really his punching bag, 284 00:16:23,715 --> 00:16:25,450 but so I had to learn how to fight, 285 00:16:25,582 --> 00:16:28,086 or get my, get my head beat in. 286 00:16:31,121 --> 00:16:33,824 You know, he's got this aura about him. 287 00:16:33,958 --> 00:16:37,495 He's gonna really do something, you know? 288 00:16:39,464 --> 00:16:41,834 Drugs got him. 289 00:16:47,004 --> 00:16:48,873 Danny noticed the change, 290 00:16:49,006 --> 00:16:51,542 and that's when they had started using heroin. 291 00:16:56,614 --> 00:16:58,584 I can remember the day 292 00:16:58,716 --> 00:17:00,851 that I wanted to be just like him. 293 00:17:00,985 --> 00:17:04,556 My grandfather was like a tyrant. 294 00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:06,658 And I'll never forget, he was mad at me and Gilbert, 295 00:17:06,791 --> 00:17:11,395 he was standing in front of us and he was screaming 296 00:17:11,528 --> 00:17:13,699 and I knew he was gonna hit me, 297 00:17:13,832 --> 00:17:15,166 and I'm kind of like wincing 298 00:17:15,299 --> 00:17:17,234 so I won't shit and he won't hit me, 299 00:17:17,368 --> 00:17:20,538 and then I look over at my uncle 300 00:17:20,672 --> 00:17:22,574 and he's going... 301 00:17:24,809 --> 00:17:26,477 He's falling asleep! 302 00:17:26,611 --> 00:17:29,714 We're staring in the face of death, he goes... 303 00:17:31,449 --> 00:17:33,017 And he walked into his room, 304 00:17:33,151 --> 00:17:35,921 and Gilbert goes... 305 00:17:36,054 --> 00:17:38,690 "Did he hit us?" You know? 306 00:17:38,823 --> 00:17:42,027 I just, I prayed to God, "Let me be like that." 307 00:17:45,829 --> 00:17:48,199 Danny realized at that young age, 308 00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:51,103 he has a secret escape-hatch mechanism 309 00:17:51,236 --> 00:17:53,605 that he can access... 310 00:17:53,738 --> 00:17:57,609 to get away from the violence in the household, 311 00:17:57,742 --> 00:18:00,310 and whatever that is, I want it. 312 00:18:00,444 --> 00:18:01,812 'Cause I was scared of my grandfather, 313 00:18:01,945 --> 00:18:03,981 I was scared of my dad, uh, 314 00:18:04,115 --> 00:18:06,050 I wasn't scared of Gilbert. 315 00:18:08,051 --> 00:18:09,386 When he was 12, 316 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,657 he took his first shot of heroin. 317 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:16,561 Two weeks later, 318 00:18:16,694 --> 00:18:18,663 he was no longer like this cool Gilbert, 319 00:18:18,797 --> 00:18:20,597 he was like crazy. 320 00:18:20,731 --> 00:18:24,101 He is going through withdrawals, he's sick. 321 00:18:24,236 --> 00:18:26,905 I seen him. Oh, he's like this... 322 00:18:27,038 --> 00:18:29,606 And he had my grandfather's syringe. 323 00:18:29,740 --> 00:18:31,542 My grandfather was a diabetic. 324 00:18:31,676 --> 00:18:34,411 He says, "Get outta here." I said, "No, give me some!" 325 00:18:34,546 --> 00:18:37,081 "Give me some or I'm gonna tell." That's how young he was. 326 00:18:37,214 --> 00:18:38,616 "Give me some or I'm gonna tell." 327 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:39,750 He's like, "Wait a minute," 328 00:18:39,884 --> 00:18:42,886 so he says, "Hold this." 329 00:18:43,020 --> 00:18:45,956 So I'm holding this belt for him like this. 330 00:18:46,089 --> 00:18:49,727 It's a glass syringe, so when the needle registered, 331 00:18:49,861 --> 00:18:52,964 it does this little atomic-bomb thing. Tsshh. 332 00:18:53,096 --> 00:18:54,999 And then, bam, he hits, he says 333 00:18:55,133 --> 00:18:58,103 "Let it go," and I let it go. 334 00:18:58,236 --> 00:19:01,439 And when I let it go, I seen 335 00:19:01,571 --> 00:19:05,041 this whole change come over him. 336 00:19:05,175 --> 00:19:08,212 From this crazy, 337 00:19:08,346 --> 00:19:09,713 to this huh, 338 00:19:09,847 --> 00:19:12,216 he's back to that guy that could go to sleep 339 00:19:12,349 --> 00:19:15,719 in front of the, the dragon. 340 00:19:15,853 --> 00:19:18,056 He gave me a fix, 341 00:19:18,189 --> 00:19:20,225 a couple of drops of his cotton, 342 00:19:20,357 --> 00:19:23,694 and the next thing I remember I was soaking wet 343 00:19:23,828 --> 00:19:26,931 sitting outside in my grandmother's yard just, 344 00:19:27,065 --> 00:19:28,366 I'd overdosed. 345 00:19:32,236 --> 00:19:33,505 You're not thinking, "Oh, well, 346 00:19:33,637 --> 00:19:34,838 now I don't have to worry about school, 347 00:19:34,972 --> 00:19:36,139 I don't have to worry about errands, 348 00:19:36,273 --> 00:19:37,607 I don't have to worry about this." 349 00:19:37,741 --> 00:19:40,511 Nothing! It's just gone. 350 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,283 I just decided "This is what I'm gonna do 351 00:19:46,416 --> 00:19:49,520 because this is all there is." 352 00:19:51,489 --> 00:19:54,526 And then all I remember is hearing the ice-cream truck 353 00:19:54,659 --> 00:19:56,361 and getting some ice cream. 354 00:19:59,530 --> 00:20:01,432 Fuck, man, the thing is, 355 00:20:01,566 --> 00:20:04,369 is it's only blissful the first time. 356 00:20:04,501 --> 00:20:07,405 Every time after that it just becomes a chase. 357 00:20:09,140 --> 00:20:10,742 The thing about drugs and alcohol is 358 00:20:10,875 --> 00:20:12,711 you're trying to survive something that in a way 359 00:20:12,844 --> 00:20:16,081 your psyche can't match at that point, 360 00:20:16,213 --> 00:20:18,416 and so you, you get these things 361 00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:21,051 that are like a blanket, you know, and they help 362 00:20:21,185 --> 00:20:22,687 until the day you realize, 363 00:20:22,820 --> 00:20:25,723 "Oh, that, that blanket's strangling me now." 364 00:20:32,797 --> 00:20:36,834 That began the life of learning how to sustain that, 365 00:20:36,968 --> 00:20:41,339 so they taught him how to rob liquor stores 366 00:20:41,472 --> 00:20:42,940 and convenience stores, 367 00:20:43,074 --> 00:20:47,079 and the crimes just escalated from there. 368 00:20:47,211 --> 00:20:51,081 His dad started calling this side of the family to say 369 00:20:51,215 --> 00:20:53,417 "I don't know what to do with him, help." 370 00:20:53,550 --> 00:20:55,418 When I realized Gilbert was doing robberies, 371 00:20:55,553 --> 00:20:59,524 I, I thought it was kind of heroic. 372 00:20:59,656 --> 00:21:02,993 You know, I didn't think it was bad. 373 00:21:03,127 --> 00:21:04,995 His Uncle Gilbert 374 00:21:05,128 --> 00:21:07,497 and a friend of his, his crime partner, 375 00:21:07,632 --> 00:21:10,235 they showed up on the front lawn here. 376 00:21:10,367 --> 00:21:11,970 Each of them 377 00:21:12,103 --> 00:21:16,073 handed my dad $10. 378 00:21:16,207 --> 00:21:19,010 I knew they did a robbery, they told me. 379 00:21:19,144 --> 00:21:23,181 So I had $20 in $1 bills. 380 00:21:23,315 --> 00:21:25,650 I remember holding it, I remember looking at these guys, 381 00:21:25,784 --> 00:21:27,652 I remember seeing their cars, 382 00:21:27,785 --> 00:21:31,556 everything that I ever wanted in life at like, 383 00:21:31,690 --> 00:21:33,991 nine years old, that's what I want to do. 384 00:21:42,032 --> 00:21:45,135 First robbery was the Far East Market. 385 00:21:47,873 --> 00:21:49,574 Had a gun. 386 00:21:49,707 --> 00:21:52,110 A revolver that didn't stay up. 387 00:21:52,242 --> 00:21:54,412 It would fall, you had to hold it like this. 388 00:22:04,588 --> 00:22:06,289 We went in the store, I'm holding the door, 389 00:22:06,423 --> 00:22:08,725 Richard's saying, "Give me the money," to the lady, you know, 390 00:22:08,858 --> 00:22:11,528 "Give me the money," so she gave him the, the $8 391 00:22:11,662 --> 00:22:12,864 that were in the cash register, 392 00:22:12,998 --> 00:22:15,633 but then said, "No, no, in the box!" 393 00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:18,635 And he pointed to the box, that's when the gun opened. 394 00:22:18,769 --> 00:22:21,638 I started laughing, she started screaming, 395 00:22:21,772 --> 00:22:23,907 Richard grabbed the $8. 396 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,243 We ran, we ran down Lankersham. 397 00:22:26,376 --> 00:22:28,180 We didn't use that gun anymore. 398 00:22:29,847 --> 00:22:32,582 Shotgun is probably the best deterrent 399 00:22:32,717 --> 00:22:34,786 for heroes there is. 400 00:22:34,919 --> 00:22:36,888 You know, a shotgun will make people 401 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:40,357 think twice of becoming GI Joe. 402 00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:41,992 So was that your go-to gun? 403 00:22:42,126 --> 00:22:45,496 Yeah. Sawed-off shotgun. That's what my uncle gave me. 404 00:22:48,333 --> 00:22:50,502 Right... 405 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:55,574 That there, up there, upstairs, 406 00:22:55,707 --> 00:22:58,710 that used to be a, a, like a little hall, 407 00:22:58,844 --> 00:23:01,679 and they had a poker game up there. We took that down. 408 00:23:01,811 --> 00:23:04,514 Now the guard was over here where the steps were 409 00:23:04,648 --> 00:23:07,117 and we just did a walk by and stuck a gun in his mouth 410 00:23:07,251 --> 00:23:09,619 and just kind of, uh, tied him up 411 00:23:09,753 --> 00:23:12,256 and then went up, kicked in the door. 412 00:23:17,994 --> 00:23:19,930 What spurred a robbery for me 413 00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:22,200 was not seeing anybody in the liquor store... 414 00:23:25,435 --> 00:23:29,441 or watching somebody come out of the bank. 415 00:23:29,574 --> 00:23:33,979 If you're gonna be a criminal, be a criminal 24 hours a day. 416 00:23:40,483 --> 00:23:43,086 We did a gang of them in '65, 417 00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:46,223 and I was only out a 100 days. 418 00:23:46,357 --> 00:23:50,694 Hamburger joints, delis, convenience stores. 419 00:23:50,827 --> 00:23:54,264 Most of the liquor stores in San Fernando Valley. 420 00:23:54,398 --> 00:23:58,402 Ralves, Dale's Market, White Front. 421 00:23:58,536 --> 00:24:00,904 They used to rob White Front stores, 422 00:24:01,038 --> 00:24:03,908 like the Best Buys of their day, that was an appliance store, 423 00:24:04,041 --> 00:24:06,144 they had washing machines, televisions. 424 00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:07,945 I remember those when I was a little kid. 425 00:24:08,078 --> 00:24:10,413 My dad used to take us there to go shopping. 426 00:24:10,548 --> 00:24:14,484 Burglaries, and they liked to steal cars. 427 00:24:14,618 --> 00:24:16,320 You'd go into a liquor store, 428 00:24:16,453 --> 00:24:18,022 pull the pin out over the counter and say, 429 00:24:18,155 --> 00:24:19,789 "Give me everything or I'm dropping it." 430 00:24:19,923 --> 00:24:21,792 It started out as a, a rouse. 431 00:24:21,925 --> 00:24:24,361 We walked in and pulled out this grenade, 432 00:24:24,496 --> 00:24:27,532 and the guy got so scared, said, we said, uh, 433 00:24:27,664 --> 00:24:31,469 "It's a robbery," and emptied out his cash box. 434 00:24:31,603 --> 00:24:34,038 Even to this day I'm like, "Who does that?" 435 00:24:34,171 --> 00:24:36,106 It's like the wild west. 436 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,644 Totally unfathomable for me. 437 00:24:40,778 --> 00:24:42,614 To me it's mind boggling that you would 438 00:24:42,747 --> 00:24:45,317 rob a place called Patties or Bob's Big Boy, 439 00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:48,119 two, like, legendary places right next to Warner Brothers, 440 00:24:48,251 --> 00:24:49,854 like where everybody and their mother went. 441 00:24:49,988 --> 00:24:53,257 But he robbed that place. Still it blows my mind. 442 00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:57,362 He had to be high. You know, like, it was crazy. 443 00:24:57,494 --> 00:25:02,332 It was hard to reconcile what I knew intellectually 444 00:25:02,465 --> 00:25:05,001 with what I knew, like, intimately about my dad, 445 00:25:05,135 --> 00:25:08,338 and it was almost like hard to believe 446 00:25:08,472 --> 00:25:10,574 that he had been that person. 447 00:25:10,708 --> 00:25:13,011 If you're dedicated to that life, 448 00:25:13,144 --> 00:25:17,548 I... I think guilt isn't a, an emotion or a feeling 449 00:25:17,682 --> 00:25:19,683 that you really deal with 450 00:25:19,817 --> 00:25:21,987 simply because, otherwise, you know, 451 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,389 hell, you, you rob a guy and tell him you're sorry 452 00:25:25,522 --> 00:25:27,157 and give him back his money, you know? So... 453 00:25:27,291 --> 00:25:29,927 Drugs take care of a lot of things, 454 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:32,496 any kind of feeling you got. 455 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:35,833 It's almost like, you ever seen one of those little squirrels 456 00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:37,735 in a cage running around? 457 00:25:37,867 --> 00:25:40,236 Well, that's the kind of way this thing is. 458 00:25:40,371 --> 00:25:43,374 It's something that you just can't walk away from 459 00:25:43,507 --> 00:25:46,544 because it's your way of life. 460 00:25:46,678 --> 00:25:51,016 Me and about 10-15 guys, a whole car load, 461 00:25:51,148 --> 00:25:54,017 we're, like, cruising down Van Nuys Boulevard, 462 00:25:54,151 --> 00:25:58,323 and we saw this old house with a bunch of cars, 463 00:25:58,455 --> 00:26:00,324 you know, parked in front of us. 464 00:26:00,458 --> 00:26:02,593 Something's going on in there, you know? 465 00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:05,162 Three bottles of wine, half pint of whiskey, 466 00:26:05,296 --> 00:26:09,400 I was already loaded on pills, and a 38 snub nose, 467 00:26:09,534 --> 00:26:11,236 and kicked in the door, 468 00:26:11,368 --> 00:26:13,637 and the first thing we saw was a big sign that said 469 00:26:13,770 --> 00:26:15,240 "We care." 470 00:26:15,373 --> 00:26:17,976 They walk into a, a 12-step meeting. 471 00:26:18,108 --> 00:26:20,544 He said, "And I told all my friends 472 00:26:20,678 --> 00:26:22,147 they need to stay together, 473 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,248 and they're all in little groups with these guys, 474 00:26:24,382 --> 00:26:25,983 and they're hugging them!" 475 00:26:26,116 --> 00:26:29,286 All these people just, "Hi, welcome! Come on in!" You know? 476 00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:32,557 Somebody ac... ac... actually asked me to join them, they said 477 00:26:32,691 --> 00:26:36,059 "Why don't you join us?" you know... 478 00:26:36,193 --> 00:26:40,130 And this guy actually told me "If you leave the program, 479 00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:44,069 you will die, go insane or go to jail." 480 00:26:46,503 --> 00:26:48,305 It really turned out to be true. 481 00:26:48,439 --> 00:26:49,940 When that started happening to me, 482 00:26:50,074 --> 00:26:52,410 I never forgot what that old geezer had said. 483 00:26:52,542 --> 00:26:55,746 I hate to say old guy, 'cause he was like, 40. 484 00:27:04,188 --> 00:27:05,890 I got the shit kicked out of me 485 00:27:06,023 --> 00:27:07,757 by the cops, regularly. 486 00:27:07,892 --> 00:27:09,427 Nine times out of ten when the cops 487 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:12,329 kicked the shit out of us, we had it coming. 488 00:27:12,462 --> 00:27:14,464 In and out of Youth Authority, non-stop. 489 00:27:14,598 --> 00:27:15,798 I mean, he'd get out, go right back, 490 00:27:15,932 --> 00:27:17,535 get out, go right back. 491 00:27:17,667 --> 00:27:19,369 I mean, that's where he grew up. 492 00:27:19,503 --> 00:27:21,371 When I got to Juvenile Hall, 493 00:27:21,506 --> 00:27:22,974 there were so many Mexicans there, 494 00:27:23,106 --> 00:27:25,442 I thought Mexicans were supposed to go. 495 00:27:25,576 --> 00:27:29,279 It's almost like school. 496 00:27:29,413 --> 00:27:30,780 When I went to county jail, 497 00:27:30,914 --> 00:27:34,183 I learned how to steal, how to manipulate, 498 00:27:34,317 --> 00:27:35,952 how to get the best jobs. 499 00:27:36,086 --> 00:27:38,990 You learn what you learn in there. 500 00:27:41,325 --> 00:27:44,828 Danny reminded me of me when I was younger. 501 00:27:44,962 --> 00:27:46,763 He was so hip, the balls of his feet 502 00:27:46,896 --> 00:27:48,365 would tickle him when he walked. 503 00:27:48,499 --> 00:27:51,035 He'd come up to me and he'd smile at me, 504 00:27:51,167 --> 00:27:53,804 just look, that look he has, and he said... 505 00:27:55,506 --> 00:27:57,541 "What are you gonna teach me, old man?" 506 00:27:57,674 --> 00:27:59,644 And I said, uh, "Nothing, 507 00:27:59,777 --> 00:28:03,847 I'm gonna give you some previews of coming attractions, punk." 508 00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:06,616 And he turned on his heel and went away. 509 00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:08,986 The next time I saw him, uh, 510 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,821 he looked at me and, you know, "What do you think now?" 511 00:28:11,955 --> 00:28:14,858 And I said, "Danny, the only thing 512 00:28:14,992 --> 00:28:16,493 that's gonna beat you to San Quentin 513 00:28:16,627 --> 00:28:18,529 is the headlights on the bus." 514 00:28:21,065 --> 00:28:22,700 When I went to prison, 515 00:28:22,834 --> 00:28:25,670 I sold four ounces of sugar to a Federal agent, 516 00:28:25,803 --> 00:28:28,073 bunko sales, no drugs at all. 517 00:28:29,673 --> 00:28:31,008 He didn't have nothing, 518 00:28:31,142 --> 00:28:34,045 so he filled up these bags full of sugar, 519 00:28:34,179 --> 00:28:36,013 came back, sold it to the under cover, 520 00:28:36,145 --> 00:28:39,015 and the under cover's telling him, "Is it pure?" 521 00:28:39,148 --> 00:28:40,784 Danny's like, "Yeah, it's pure." 522 00:28:40,917 --> 00:28:43,553 You know, it's pure sugar, right? 523 00:28:43,688 --> 00:28:46,524 He said they kicked his ass when they caught him. 524 00:28:46,656 --> 00:28:51,060 He said they kicked his ass all the way to the station. 525 00:28:51,194 --> 00:28:54,264 A brand-new 1965 Buick. 526 00:28:54,397 --> 00:28:56,867 I'll never guess I was on the floor of the back seat, 527 00:28:57,999 --> 00:28:58,869 this guy's punching the shit out of me, right, 528 00:28:59,002 --> 00:29:01,872 and beating me all the way from North Hollywood 529 00:29:02,006 --> 00:29:04,042 to the Federal building downtown. 530 00:29:04,174 --> 00:29:07,377 "Where's my money? Give me my money?" 531 00:29:07,511 --> 00:29:10,013 "What do you got to say?" And my face is on the ground. 532 00:29:10,147 --> 00:29:13,451 "What do you got to say?" I said, "Is this a new car?" 533 00:29:13,584 --> 00:29:16,921 I'm like, 'cause it smelled, it had that smell. 534 00:29:17,054 --> 00:29:21,392 And I said, "I'm bleeding all over your new car." 535 00:29:21,525 --> 00:29:24,394 I had to plead guilty to a bunko sales 536 00:29:24,528 --> 00:29:26,564 which carries six to ten years. 537 00:29:28,898 --> 00:29:32,903 When I left the joint, I had a, a sawed-off shotgun, 538 00:29:33,037 --> 00:29:37,741 two pistols, uh, about $8000 539 00:29:37,875 --> 00:29:40,943 and a... hand grenade. 540 00:29:41,077 --> 00:29:45,182 And, uh, I... I buried 'em. 541 00:29:45,316 --> 00:29:46,616 This was my stash place. 542 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:50,788 I had a 4x4 hole right here 543 00:29:50,921 --> 00:29:54,092 with a lid and grass on top. 544 00:29:54,224 --> 00:29:56,394 My mom and dad were talking about putting sprinklers 545 00:29:56,527 --> 00:29:59,997 in the backyard, and I told my mom, 546 00:30:00,131 --> 00:30:03,334 "Be real careful around, 547 00:30:03,467 --> 00:30:05,637 around the waterfall." 548 00:30:10,641 --> 00:30:12,744 He ended up in San Quentin. 549 00:30:24,821 --> 00:30:26,289 I don't know how it is now, 550 00:30:26,423 --> 00:30:29,058 but when you're on a CDC bus, 551 00:30:29,192 --> 00:30:33,064 it's the only bus on the freeway. 552 00:30:33,196 --> 00:30:37,334 Everybody knows you're a criminal. 553 00:30:37,468 --> 00:30:41,706 Seeing people pass by, people working in the street, 554 00:30:41,838 --> 00:30:45,208 you know you screwed up. 555 00:30:45,342 --> 00:30:49,180 I've known people that have hung themselves 556 00:30:49,313 --> 00:30:51,249 in the county jail 557 00:30:51,382 --> 00:30:55,818 because they were so afraid they were going to prison. 558 00:30:55,952 --> 00:30:58,856 Unless you've grown up in that system... 559 00:31:00,156 --> 00:31:01,792 you're scared to death of it. 560 00:31:03,594 --> 00:31:05,496 How long were you in San Quentin for? 561 00:31:05,628 --> 00:31:07,064 Which time? 562 00:31:08,965 --> 00:31:11,802 I've been arrested 78 times. 563 00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:16,173 I got five felony convictions. 564 00:31:16,307 --> 00:31:20,009 I was a resident vacationing at San Quentin. 565 00:31:20,144 --> 00:31:22,546 I was actually in when they were shooting 566 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,548 "Blood In Blood Out" in the '90s. 567 00:31:25,682 --> 00:31:28,519 I seen a few, few things in there 568 00:31:28,652 --> 00:31:30,788 that I, I wanted my mommy, you know what I mean, 569 00:31:30,922 --> 00:31:32,789 I wanted, I wanted to come home. 570 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,095 When you're driving up that wall in Quentin, 571 00:31:38,228 --> 00:31:41,265 you see that gun tower right in front, 572 00:31:41,397 --> 00:31:44,568 you know that once you go in there, 573 00:31:44,701 --> 00:31:46,637 you're not coming out. 574 00:31:47,671 --> 00:31:49,774 This is the big house. 575 00:31:51,342 --> 00:31:53,244 The gas chamber's here. 576 00:31:58,315 --> 00:32:00,351 The minute the bus stops, 577 00:32:00,484 --> 00:32:03,920 the tension starts. 578 00:32:04,054 --> 00:32:05,422 As soon as you get off that bus, 579 00:32:05,556 --> 00:32:08,792 you gotta get butt-naked, and it's freezing. 580 00:32:08,925 --> 00:32:11,061 People are screaming and yelling behind the gates, 581 00:32:11,194 --> 00:32:13,029 you know, it's like everything that you've seen. 582 00:32:13,163 --> 00:32:14,264 You hear this engine... 583 00:32:18,001 --> 00:32:21,405 And all it is is everybody talking. 584 00:32:21,538 --> 00:32:26,176 If you've ever been next to someone that's insanely angry, 585 00:32:26,309 --> 00:32:30,146 just so fucking angry, just crazy rage, 586 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,182 if you can imagine 587 00:32:32,316 --> 00:32:36,153 4000 guys that angry, 588 00:32:36,286 --> 00:32:38,122 that kind of rage, 589 00:32:38,255 --> 00:32:41,125 that's the tension in San Quentin. 590 00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:43,861 They might be laughing and joking, 591 00:32:43,994 --> 00:32:45,962 but one little spark or something, 592 00:32:46,096 --> 00:32:49,032 oh, everybody's back to being the Incredible Hulk 593 00:32:49,165 --> 00:32:52,470 without being green. Madness. 594 00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:58,609 You have to be able to control that 595 00:32:58,742 --> 00:33:00,444 and make it caution 596 00:33:00,577 --> 00:33:04,648 because when you start getting paranoid, 597 00:33:04,781 --> 00:33:07,451 people get paranoid of you. 598 00:33:07,585 --> 00:33:09,319 It could be... 599 00:33:10,953 --> 00:33:12,823 somebody didn't get a letter. 600 00:33:14,258 --> 00:33:16,093 Somebody forgot a birthday. 601 00:33:16,226 --> 00:33:19,930 It could be somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed. 602 00:33:20,064 --> 00:33:22,767 Anything can get you killed in prison. 603 00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:25,603 Size, strength means nothing! 604 00:33:25,736 --> 00:33:28,405 Everybody knows four inches of steel, 605 00:33:28,538 --> 00:33:31,808 thirty-five pounds of pressure, bang, you're done. 606 00:33:31,942 --> 00:33:35,145 You see this guy, ah, get stabbed in the back. 607 00:33:35,278 --> 00:33:38,515 He's walking around the upper yard. 608 00:33:38,648 --> 00:33:40,516 Reaching for this knife, coughing up blood, 609 00:33:40,651 --> 00:33:41,885 reaching for this... Ah! 610 00:33:42,019 --> 00:33:45,189 And everybody started laughing! 611 00:33:45,323 --> 00:33:48,426 What a fucked-up place. 612 00:33:48,558 --> 00:33:51,060 You're either alpha or you're not. 613 00:33:51,194 --> 00:33:53,696 Someone's either gonna say, "What size shoes do you got on?" 614 00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:56,833 And if you don't crack 'em in their head that first second, 615 00:33:56,967 --> 00:33:58,536 you're soft. 616 00:33:58,669 --> 00:34:00,371 They know they can get over on you. 617 00:34:02,105 --> 00:34:04,474 I know I'm an alpha guy, you know? 618 00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:07,010 Danny's for sure an alpha guy. 619 00:34:07,144 --> 00:34:10,514 One of the things that Gilbert did was teach me 620 00:34:10,648 --> 00:34:13,317 that in... in prison there's only predators and prey, 621 00:34:13,451 --> 00:34:14,851 that's it. 622 00:34:14,985 --> 00:34:18,923 If my enemy is down the tier in a cell 623 00:34:19,056 --> 00:34:22,259 and I hear him sharpening a knife, 624 00:34:22,393 --> 00:34:26,931 well, I'd better stab that guy first thing, 625 00:34:27,063 --> 00:34:28,531 as quick as I can. 626 00:34:28,666 --> 00:34:31,803 I can't wait for him to attack me. 627 00:34:34,905 --> 00:34:37,108 Two guys that I'd, I'd robbed, literally, 628 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:39,476 in, in Youth Authority, Tyrone, says, 629 00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:42,980 "Hey, this guy's here," you just get a magazine, 630 00:34:43,112 --> 00:34:45,715 just put a magazine here and a magazine in the back. 631 00:34:45,849 --> 00:34:49,219 I walked out of the cell and I went to the, the corner, 632 00:34:49,353 --> 00:34:53,590 I turned around, bam, this guy hit me with this shank. 633 00:34:53,724 --> 00:34:56,594 Whoa, urgh, kind of knocked the breath out of me. 634 00:34:56,726 --> 00:34:58,494 Tyrone was right behind me, just came around, 635 00:34:58,628 --> 00:35:00,163 whomp, whomp, whomp, hit him. 636 00:35:00,297 --> 00:35:03,266 I was like, "Ah! Oh, yeah, magazine!" 637 00:35:05,202 --> 00:35:09,105 It happened so quick, I forgot I had the magazine. 638 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,076 And this guy ran down, bleeding, you know? 639 00:35:12,208 --> 00:35:17,047 Tyrone threw a knife, came down real slow, you know? 640 00:35:17,181 --> 00:35:19,150 "Well, what happened?" "I don't know." 641 00:35:19,282 --> 00:35:21,152 If you were on fire I wouldn't piss on you. 642 00:35:21,284 --> 00:35:23,253 I had no, I had no... 643 00:35:24,721 --> 00:35:26,056 You know, no feeling. 644 00:35:28,125 --> 00:35:31,795 The conflict is I know it's wrong to do this, 645 00:35:31,929 --> 00:35:33,764 but I do it anyhow. 646 00:35:33,898 --> 00:35:36,700 You go into a shell 647 00:35:36,833 --> 00:35:40,203 and you protect that shell at all cost. 648 00:35:40,338 --> 00:35:42,340 Even if you decide that you're a predator, 649 00:35:42,472 --> 00:35:44,375 that doesn't mean that the dude you're coming up against 650 00:35:44,509 --> 00:35:46,677 hasn't decided he's a predator, too. 651 00:35:46,809 --> 00:35:50,547 That's a level of stress that the human body was not, 652 00:35:50,681 --> 00:35:52,449 was not built to deal with. 653 00:36:02,592 --> 00:36:03,494 Back then, you know, San Quentin 654 00:36:03,626 --> 00:36:05,262 was a level-four prison. 655 00:36:05,394 --> 00:36:08,931 It was a gladiator school. I mean, it was rough. 656 00:36:09,065 --> 00:36:12,635 San Quentin and Folsom were both on the same level. 657 00:36:12,769 --> 00:36:14,804 Both straight killer prisons. 658 00:36:14,938 --> 00:36:16,873 In the 60s, there's drama everywhere 659 00:36:17,007 --> 00:36:18,442 with the racial tension. 660 00:36:18,576 --> 00:36:20,309 The Aryan Brotherhood formed, 661 00:36:20,443 --> 00:36:23,847 Mexican Mafia formed, you know, protection. 662 00:36:25,782 --> 00:36:28,318 We had some stone killers. 663 00:36:28,452 --> 00:36:30,287 One of my best friends, he was, you know, 664 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:33,124 one of the top dogs in the, in the Mexican Mafia, 665 00:36:33,257 --> 00:36:37,595 so I was left to my own hustle. 666 00:36:37,728 --> 00:36:39,063 I had pretty good backing, you know, 667 00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:41,065 I had pretty good guys, crime partners, 668 00:36:41,197 --> 00:36:43,533 that were with me. Tyrone, double murder, you know? 669 00:36:43,666 --> 00:36:46,702 Cookie, double murder. Frog, double murder. 670 00:36:46,836 --> 00:36:49,539 You know, we had this little protection ring going. 671 00:36:49,673 --> 00:36:53,275 If you think somebody's after you, then you tell us, 672 00:36:53,409 --> 00:36:56,946 we'll take care of it, but you're gonna pay us. 673 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:58,882 Sometimes they want to be, you know, big dog, 674 00:36:59,016 --> 00:37:00,418 "Nah, I can take care of myself," 675 00:37:00,550 --> 00:37:02,853 but this is a completely different element. 676 00:37:02,985 --> 00:37:04,688 The guards can only control 677 00:37:04,822 --> 00:37:08,092 so much of what happens on the yard. 678 00:37:08,224 --> 00:37:10,427 And then you fall under that wing of those guys 679 00:37:10,561 --> 00:37:14,030 and in a sense they become property. 680 00:37:14,164 --> 00:37:17,768 Keep my cell clean, you know, my shoes were shiny, 681 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:20,436 make sure my laundry got done, that kind of stuff. 682 00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:24,273 And then other people had parents to send money to my mom. 683 00:37:24,407 --> 00:37:26,009 How shiny were your walls in your... 684 00:37:26,143 --> 00:37:29,213 I had waxed walls. 685 00:37:29,346 --> 00:37:31,681 I've met guys that did time with him 686 00:37:31,815 --> 00:37:35,686 that still look at him like, not 'cause he's a movie star. 687 00:37:35,818 --> 00:37:37,554 They just remember who he was. 688 00:37:51,067 --> 00:37:53,003 His name rang through every prison. 689 00:37:53,137 --> 00:37:56,073 They knew he was coming, they always knew he was coming. 690 00:37:59,076 --> 00:38:00,844 The boxing probably didn't hurt either. 691 00:38:00,976 --> 00:38:03,446 Back then, uh, it sounds cliche, 692 00:38:03,581 --> 00:38:06,416 but people used to fight with their fists. 693 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:09,053 He became very good at it. 694 00:38:09,186 --> 00:38:14,258 He was a 1966, '67 and '68 San Quentin Champion. 695 00:38:14,391 --> 00:38:16,960 I remember Eddie Bunker telling me 696 00:38:17,094 --> 00:38:19,963 that he was badass. 697 00:38:20,096 --> 00:38:22,065 People just knew that I could fight, 698 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,934 so I got to the joint, I'm just like, automatic, 699 00:38:25,068 --> 00:38:27,403 hey, come on, I'll fight the champ. 700 00:38:29,539 --> 00:38:32,175 Some people get in the library to do time, 701 00:38:32,309 --> 00:38:34,411 some people, you know, do crossword puzzles, 702 00:38:34,545 --> 00:38:37,114 some people play chess. I trained. 703 00:38:37,248 --> 00:38:40,516 That's what kept me sane. 704 00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:43,053 Soledad, same thing, I won titles. 705 00:38:45,289 --> 00:38:47,825 As you can imagine in San Quentin, 706 00:38:47,958 --> 00:38:52,061 the boxing rules may not be exactly, 707 00:38:52,195 --> 00:38:54,297 you know, what they are on the street. 708 00:38:54,431 --> 00:38:56,967 I got great elbows. 709 00:38:57,099 --> 00:39:00,170 God, first thing I did was hit somebody with an elbow. 710 00:39:00,304 --> 00:39:01,872 The, the ref might have been a friend of yours, 711 00:39:02,005 --> 00:39:06,309 so if you elbowed somebody, he didn't see it. 712 00:39:06,443 --> 00:39:08,144 People were betting on him, 713 00:39:08,278 --> 00:39:11,715 so when he won fights, made him more popular. 714 00:39:11,847 --> 00:39:13,550 Mexicans don't know what exhibition means. 715 00:39:13,684 --> 00:39:16,353 No, we got money on you, you know? 716 00:39:16,487 --> 00:39:18,122 That prison boxing program 717 00:39:18,255 --> 00:39:22,660 probably kept him alive, a lot of that, that time. 718 00:39:32,835 --> 00:39:34,704 At that time, the powers that be 719 00:39:34,838 --> 00:39:37,307 in the prison system were like, "Whoa, man, 720 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,510 the Mexicans are starting to get really organized here, 721 00:39:39,643 --> 00:39:42,244 we got to start shuffling them around." 722 00:39:42,378 --> 00:39:45,348 That's why Danny and those guys moved so much. 723 00:39:45,481 --> 00:39:47,284 Because at the time they were just so confused 724 00:39:47,416 --> 00:39:48,719 about the leadership. 725 00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:50,753 Over the decade that he spent doing it, 726 00:39:50,887 --> 00:39:53,090 he ended up in all of them. 727 00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:54,925 Every one in the state. 728 00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:58,295 Soledad, San Quentin, Vacaville, Susanville, 729 00:39:58,427 --> 00:40:01,898 Sierra, Tracy, Folsom and Chino. 730 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:04,969 Wow. 731 00:40:05,101 --> 00:40:09,705 He was a travelling man. 732 00:40:09,838 --> 00:40:11,807 And so they would move him out, 733 00:40:11,942 --> 00:40:14,277 like even with the story of his tattoo. 734 00:40:14,411 --> 00:40:18,014 The big-ass tattoo on his chest, well... 735 00:40:18,148 --> 00:40:22,519 comes from Excellent Tamale wrapper. 736 00:40:22,652 --> 00:40:24,753 Guy named Harry "Superjew" Ross, 737 00:40:24,887 --> 00:40:27,757 everybody was getting Mexican flags or Aztec wares 738 00:40:27,891 --> 00:40:31,894 and, see, I got a beautiful lady, we put the outline 739 00:40:32,028 --> 00:40:33,364 and then I got kicked out of Quentin, 740 00:40:33,496 --> 00:40:35,197 I had to go to Folsom. 741 00:40:35,331 --> 00:40:37,233 He was on the Sallyport 742 00:40:37,367 --> 00:40:39,937 and I was being transferred, I was on the bus, 743 00:40:40,070 --> 00:40:42,706 and he was screaming, "Don't let anybody touch it!" 744 00:40:42,838 --> 00:40:45,241 "That's my first tattoo, I want to finish it!" 745 00:40:45,375 --> 00:40:47,311 "I'll be in Folsom to meet you!" 746 00:40:47,443 --> 00:40:49,512 "Okay!" 747 00:40:49,646 --> 00:40:52,916 We could have kissed, it'd have been a love story. 748 00:40:53,048 --> 00:40:54,650 He started having them all over his body, 749 00:40:54,784 --> 00:40:57,119 that was extreme for those days. 750 00:40:57,253 --> 00:41:00,123 This one is... 751 00:41:00,257 --> 00:41:01,959 We did this in Soledad. 752 00:41:02,092 --> 00:41:04,862 It's a peacock, but, but if you, but if you look at this, 753 00:41:04,994 --> 00:41:07,130 the other side is a monster. 754 00:41:07,264 --> 00:41:10,432 The story was in everything beautiful, 755 00:41:10,567 --> 00:41:12,101 there's that other side. 756 00:41:12,235 --> 00:41:14,171 Who notices this real quick? 757 00:41:14,304 --> 00:41:16,173 If I have a shirt like this, 758 00:41:16,306 --> 00:41:18,641 kids'll go, "Look, mommy, a monster!" 759 00:41:20,643 --> 00:41:23,980 Prison tattoos end up with a lot more meaning 760 00:41:24,114 --> 00:41:27,416 than just a, a whim, an "Oh, let's get a tattoo," 761 00:41:27,550 --> 00:41:28,851 you know, on the streets. 762 00:41:28,985 --> 00:41:33,624 This is like a... a block of time in your life. 763 00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:35,693 It's funny 'cause you're ruining state property. 764 00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:42,766 That loss of time is something that's always a regret. 765 00:41:42,898 --> 00:41:45,635 And as many years later as it's been, I still, like, 766 00:41:45,768 --> 00:41:49,004 "Man, I lost time in the middle of the '90s." 767 00:41:49,139 --> 00:41:50,874 Danny lost the '50s and '60s. 768 00:41:51,007 --> 00:41:52,842 You know what I mean? Like, those were great times. 769 00:41:57,112 --> 00:42:00,550 At times you... 770 00:42:00,684 --> 00:42:03,053 you kind of realize what you're becoming. 771 00:42:05,054 --> 00:42:07,190 Playing dominoes, a lot of people around us 772 00:42:07,324 --> 00:42:09,226 and it's a big game, lot of money game, 773 00:42:09,358 --> 00:42:11,594 and I'm killing, I set the spinner, 774 00:42:11,728 --> 00:42:13,430 it's double five, you know, I was like, 775 00:42:13,563 --> 00:42:15,731 "I got you, you guys are mine." 776 00:42:15,865 --> 00:42:19,068 Voom-voom-voom, boom, this guy falls on the, 777 00:42:19,202 --> 00:42:20,670 on the table and he's just bleeding, 778 00:42:20,804 --> 00:42:22,572 somebody just hit him bad. 779 00:42:22,706 --> 00:42:24,807 Everybody started getting away and I'm screaming, 780 00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:26,643 "No, wait, wait, hold on, hold on!" 781 00:42:26,777 --> 00:42:30,481 I'm screaming, "I got a fives, I got five!" 782 00:42:30,614 --> 00:42:32,382 I remember I was in my cell and I, 783 00:42:32,514 --> 00:42:35,585 I, I still had my dominoes, 784 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,255 and the thought, "What the fuck am I becoming?" 785 00:42:39,389 --> 00:42:42,693 You know, this guy dying, you know, he had a mom, a dad, 786 00:42:42,826 --> 00:42:44,728 a brother, a sister, maybe kids, 787 00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:48,931 and I'm screaming about my fives! 788 00:42:49,065 --> 00:42:53,769 He knew that day that, that he was, he was changed. 789 00:42:53,902 --> 00:42:56,639 He wasn't, you know, Danny anymore, he was, 790 00:42:56,773 --> 00:43:00,443 he was, he was just inmate. 791 00:43:01,677 --> 00:43:03,112 For a split second, 792 00:43:03,246 --> 00:43:06,983 I felt so bad about myself, 793 00:43:07,117 --> 00:43:10,253 and then the other part jumped in, 794 00:43:10,387 --> 00:43:13,089 "Fuck that dude, man, he fucked up my game." 795 00:43:16,726 --> 00:43:18,661 People talk about correctional facilities 796 00:43:18,795 --> 00:43:22,065 as if they are correctional facilities. No. 797 00:43:22,197 --> 00:43:23,966 It's a place to remind you that you're shit. 798 00:43:24,099 --> 00:43:26,769 So when you get back out there, you act like shit. 799 00:43:26,903 --> 00:43:29,639 And you'll always be shit. 800 00:43:29,773 --> 00:43:33,476 May 5, 1968, 801 00:43:33,610 --> 00:43:36,713 Cinco de Mayo. 802 00:43:36,847 --> 00:43:39,583 They had a baseball game, they used to let free people 803 00:43:39,715 --> 00:43:43,219 come in and play baseball with the convicts. 804 00:43:43,353 --> 00:43:45,289 Me, Ray Pacheco and Henry Quijada, 805 00:43:45,422 --> 00:43:47,423 we were like, drunk and loaded, 806 00:43:47,556 --> 00:43:49,558 and Ray had come down from Atascadero, 807 00:43:49,693 --> 00:43:52,095 so medications and shock treatments 808 00:43:52,228 --> 00:43:53,663 and everything were wearing off. 809 00:43:53,797 --> 00:43:56,166 It was a third baseman chewing gum, 810 00:43:56,298 --> 00:43:58,967 and I just joking, I just kept saying, 811 00:43:59,101 --> 00:44:02,638 "Don't, don't mess with that guy, he knows karate." 812 00:44:02,771 --> 00:44:06,208 All of a sudden Ray just jumped up and just grabbed that guy. 813 00:44:06,342 --> 00:44:08,845 Pulled out his lip, trying to get the gum 814 00:44:08,978 --> 00:44:11,346 and big old riot started. 815 00:44:11,481 --> 00:44:14,985 When something like that happens, it's just like, boom! 816 00:44:17,853 --> 00:44:20,155 Wow, like everybody starts throwing rocks 817 00:44:20,289 --> 00:44:23,458 and throwing shit, and Ray's pounding on this guy, 818 00:44:23,592 --> 00:44:25,795 Henry kicks him cold. 819 00:44:25,929 --> 00:44:29,199 It was alleged that I, that I grab, I threw a rock 820 00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:32,869 and Lieutenant Gibbons, bang, got hit in the head. 821 00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:35,305 Slow motion, like he watched it go, 822 00:44:35,438 --> 00:44:39,175 and he watched it, and he watched it hit the sergeant. 823 00:44:39,309 --> 00:44:41,778 And it was just like, "No!" 824 00:44:41,911 --> 00:44:45,715 Captain Rogers was going like this, he was pointing. 825 00:44:45,847 --> 00:44:47,851 What this means, 826 00:44:47,983 --> 00:44:52,621 it's for the gun tower to shoot where he's pointing. 827 00:44:52,755 --> 00:44:56,358 So I, I followed his finger, 828 00:44:56,492 --> 00:44:58,728 and it was at me and Ray. 829 00:44:58,862 --> 00:45:02,264 Crack, we fell, and I fell on top of him, and Ray said, 830 00:45:02,398 --> 00:45:04,433 "Danny, don't let him hurt me, don't let him hurt me." 831 00:45:04,567 --> 00:45:09,039 And I said, "Oh, I think they're done hurting us." 832 00:45:09,172 --> 00:45:13,110 At the time it would be attempted murder on a guard... 833 00:45:15,244 --> 00:45:16,712 which would get you the death penalty. 834 00:45:30,626 --> 00:45:32,929 We went to the hole. 835 00:45:33,061 --> 00:45:34,864 I'm looking at the wall, 836 00:45:34,998 --> 00:45:38,068 and in my cell somebody had gotten feces, 837 00:45:38,202 --> 00:45:42,773 and it says, "God sucks... God sucks." 838 00:45:42,905 --> 00:45:45,576 The thought hit me... 839 00:45:47,476 --> 00:45:49,278 ever since like, grammar school, 840 00:45:49,411 --> 00:45:53,048 I've always had these teachers that said "Great potential," 841 00:45:53,181 --> 00:45:55,418 and it all just felt like shit. 842 00:45:55,552 --> 00:45:57,720 No matter how popular I was in school, 843 00:45:57,853 --> 00:46:00,323 no matter how cool I was, 844 00:46:00,456 --> 00:46:04,994 no matter how everybody liked me, it was done. 845 00:46:05,128 --> 00:46:08,332 I know what's gonna happen, they're gonna kill me. 846 00:46:09,766 --> 00:46:13,170 It just doesn't go any further. 847 00:46:16,405 --> 00:46:18,507 Solitary confinement makes you 848 00:46:18,641 --> 00:46:22,311 think about your family, 849 00:46:22,445 --> 00:46:25,749 who your friends really are, 850 00:46:25,882 --> 00:46:28,284 who really loves you. 851 00:46:28,418 --> 00:46:30,554 Recreate days of your life in your mind 852 00:46:30,686 --> 00:46:32,654 when you're a little kid when everything was okay. 853 00:46:32,789 --> 00:46:36,393 You do plays in your head, you re-watch movies in your mind. 854 00:46:36,527 --> 00:46:38,894 You try not to lose it. 855 00:46:39,027 --> 00:46:40,896 But you just keep from going crazy 856 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:44,601 by making yourself crazy. 857 00:46:44,735 --> 00:46:47,237 I was in the hole and I was running around the cell, 858 00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:51,307 and I would act out "The Wizard Of Oz." 859 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,674 "Give me those shoes, Dorothy." 860 00:46:52,809 --> 00:46:54,845 All this whole crazy movie 861 00:46:54,978 --> 00:46:58,380 just to keep my brain going. 862 00:46:58,514 --> 00:47:01,050 "The lollipop guild," all that shit. 863 00:47:01,184 --> 00:47:04,187 Guards would walk by my cell and say, "Shut up, Trejo!" 864 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,724 "You killed my sister," and, and they'd keep walking. 865 00:47:08,858 --> 00:47:12,129 You have to cope in whatever way that you can. 866 00:47:12,262 --> 00:47:14,163 For him it was "The Wizard Of Oz." 867 00:47:19,768 --> 00:47:21,971 The hole's usually, like, quiet during the day. 868 00:47:22,105 --> 00:47:23,340 At night you go crazy, you know? 869 00:47:23,472 --> 00:47:26,009 I mean, just go berserk. 870 00:47:26,143 --> 00:47:28,478 Sometimes he said the guard would listen to a radio. 871 00:47:30,447 --> 00:47:32,882 The Beatles song came out, the first time we heard, 872 00:47:33,014 --> 00:47:34,483 that, uh... 873 00:47:36,418 --> 00:47:38,221 ♪ Judy Judy ♪ 874 00:47:38,353 --> 00:47:40,689 The hole went like completely quiet! 875 00:47:40,822 --> 00:47:43,326 ♪ Hey Jude ♪ 876 00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:44,661 ♪ Don't make it... ♪ 877 00:47:44,793 --> 00:47:47,396 Slowly but surely, 878 00:47:47,530 --> 00:47:49,800 they all start going to the bars. 879 00:47:49,932 --> 00:47:51,568 And everybody was trying to hear it, it came out 880 00:47:51,701 --> 00:47:53,702 of the speakers, everybody was trying to hear, trying to hear. 881 00:47:53,835 --> 00:47:56,138 ♪ Judy Judy Judy Judy Judy ♪ 882 00:47:56,271 --> 00:47:58,740 They just went brr! It just blew up. 883 00:47:58,875 --> 00:48:02,378 ♪ Judy Judy Judy Judy Judy Judy ♪ 884 00:48:02,512 --> 00:48:05,114 There's different songs that stick with you, 885 00:48:05,248 --> 00:48:07,684 songs that remind you of your wife, your kids, you know, 886 00:48:07,818 --> 00:48:11,721 songs that, that take you all the way back to high school. 887 00:48:11,855 --> 00:48:14,856 ♪ Jude Jude Jude Jude Jude Jude ♪ 888 00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:17,527 ♪ Ah ah ah ah ♪♪♪ 889 00:48:31,173 --> 00:48:33,576 I remember asking God... 890 00:48:35,311 --> 00:48:38,081 to just let me die with dignity. 891 00:48:39,382 --> 00:48:40,884 "Don't let me scream, yell 892 00:48:41,016 --> 00:48:43,786 and call for my mom and shit my pants." 893 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,624 "Just let it get back to my guys 894 00:48:47,757 --> 00:48:50,059 that, yeah, he went out like a champ." 895 00:48:50,193 --> 00:48:53,363 "And if you do, Lord, 896 00:48:53,496 --> 00:48:56,099 I will say your name every day, 897 00:48:56,233 --> 00:48:59,635 and I will do whatever I can for my fellow prisoner... 898 00:49:00,871 --> 00:49:02,639 from now on." 899 00:49:04,539 --> 00:49:07,177 We all say those little prayers 900 00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:10,813 at the moment of like, impending doom, 901 00:49:10,947 --> 00:49:13,516 but I think that was one 902 00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:16,353 that he kind of couldn't take back. 903 00:49:21,224 --> 00:49:24,460 The guard that had been hit with a rock 904 00:49:24,594 --> 00:49:28,264 couldn't identify who had thrown the rock. 905 00:49:28,396 --> 00:49:30,866 If he had said, 906 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,036 "Danny Trejo threw that rock..." 907 00:49:34,103 --> 00:49:36,004 that's it. 908 00:49:36,139 --> 00:49:38,474 One word, you know, 909 00:49:38,608 --> 00:49:42,345 and that's, that's a pretty crazy way 910 00:49:42,478 --> 00:49:44,614 to like, cheat death. 911 00:49:46,548 --> 00:49:49,452 Danny had his life back. 912 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,158 I started trying to do good. 913 00:49:55,291 --> 00:49:58,327 I didn't think of it as reforming, 914 00:49:58,460 --> 00:50:02,698 I thought about keeping a promise. 915 00:50:02,831 --> 00:50:07,369 In keeping that promise, I became a better person. 916 00:50:07,503 --> 00:50:09,639 I remember the day before I got out, 917 00:50:09,771 --> 00:50:13,476 I was laying on my bunk, I'd given away all my stuff. 918 00:50:13,610 --> 00:50:18,315 And I remember when this guy named Johnny Harrison 919 00:50:18,447 --> 00:50:22,518 that I met at the end of 1962 in prison, 920 00:50:22,652 --> 00:50:26,556 he said, "Why don't you give yourself a break and join us?" 921 00:50:30,126 --> 00:50:32,394 And I made a promise to myself 922 00:50:32,527 --> 00:50:35,998 that I was gonna go to an AA meeting 923 00:50:36,132 --> 00:50:38,501 before I did anything else. 924 00:50:43,172 --> 00:50:47,809 I ended up getting out August 23, 1969. 925 00:50:53,715 --> 00:50:55,217 I remember when I first got out of the joint, 926 00:50:55,351 --> 00:50:57,920 the first thing I saw in the bus depot was, 927 00:50:58,054 --> 00:51:00,889 wow, a puppy! 928 00:51:01,023 --> 00:51:03,491 Wow! A doggie! Mwah! 929 00:51:03,626 --> 00:51:05,695 Look how pretty. 930 00:51:08,498 --> 00:51:12,369 I called this guy, Frank Russo, Frank Russo, Frank Russo. 931 00:51:12,501 --> 00:51:13,869 And I always say that 'cause he told me 932 00:51:14,003 --> 00:51:15,439 never to mention his name. 933 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,242 He pulls up, I got in his car, and he says, "What's up?" 934 00:51:20,376 --> 00:51:23,612 And I said, "You know what, I wanna go to my mom's." 935 00:51:23,746 --> 00:51:27,250 He came back here to this, to this house. 936 00:51:27,382 --> 00:51:29,785 He walked up to the metal gate 937 00:51:29,918 --> 00:51:34,757 and he said my grandmother opened the door, 938 00:51:34,889 --> 00:51:37,793 but she didn't unlock the screen door 939 00:51:37,927 --> 00:51:39,262 when she saw him. 940 00:51:39,396 --> 00:51:41,564 I said, "Mom, can I stay a couple of days?" 941 00:51:41,697 --> 00:51:43,399 "My parole plans fell through." 942 00:51:43,532 --> 00:51:45,434 And my mom turned to my dad 943 00:51:45,568 --> 00:51:47,369 who was sitting right there, and said, 944 00:51:47,503 --> 00:51:51,606 "Dan, Danny wants to know if he can stay a couple of days." 945 00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:54,443 And, uh, my dad said, "Yeah, tell him yes," 946 00:51:54,577 --> 00:51:57,480 without looking up from the TV. 947 00:51:57,612 --> 00:51:59,982 Walked into my bedroom and I'm sitting in my bedroom 948 00:52:00,115 --> 00:52:02,085 and I'm rocking and I'm thinking 949 00:52:02,217 --> 00:52:03,485 "This is the same bedroom I was in 950 00:52:03,619 --> 00:52:05,121 when I was 13 years old." 951 00:52:05,253 --> 00:52:07,990 You know, tough-ass convict, 26 years old, 952 00:52:08,123 --> 00:52:10,525 armed robber, and you're at mommy's, 953 00:52:10,659 --> 00:52:12,194 and your dad didn't even say hello, 954 00:52:12,327 --> 00:52:14,630 he doesn't really want you here. 955 00:52:14,764 --> 00:52:17,367 I was hating myself, I started hating myself. 956 00:52:18,601 --> 00:52:20,503 My dad hated tattoos, 957 00:52:20,637 --> 00:52:23,172 and I wanted to get back at him. 958 00:52:23,306 --> 00:52:26,643 I got up and I went and I sat front on the ottoman 959 00:52:26,775 --> 00:52:28,777 in front of his television set. 960 00:52:28,911 --> 00:52:32,214 I had taken off my shirt, I had a big tattoo on my chest, 961 00:52:32,347 --> 00:52:33,615 and I was just getting ready to say, "Hey, 962 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:35,318 what's up with you?" You know and... 963 00:52:35,451 --> 00:52:39,956 My mom comes out, perfect timing, 964 00:52:40,088 --> 00:52:43,659 "Mijo, you want some cookies and milk?" 965 00:52:43,793 --> 00:52:45,929 All of that bad-ass just, like, 966 00:52:46,061 --> 00:52:50,132 totally fell off of him. 967 00:52:50,266 --> 00:52:54,704 We have this idea of how things are supposed to be 968 00:52:54,838 --> 00:52:56,105 and how they're gonna be, 969 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,876 but we forget all the hurt and disaster 970 00:53:00,009 --> 00:53:03,112 and riots that we've caused. 971 00:53:03,246 --> 00:53:05,514 I forget all that stuff, you know, and, uh... 972 00:53:10,286 --> 00:53:12,688 So he called Frank and, and ended up 973 00:53:12,822 --> 00:53:14,923 going to a meeting with him that night. 974 00:53:20,695 --> 00:53:24,534 Best thing I ever could have done in my life 975 00:53:24,668 --> 00:53:29,372 that welcomed me, because people in AA and NA don't say, 976 00:53:29,505 --> 00:53:32,442 "Oh, you've been in prison." It's almost an asset. 977 00:53:35,378 --> 00:53:36,746 When he made the decision 978 00:53:36,878 --> 00:53:38,213 that he wasn't going back and that 979 00:53:38,347 --> 00:53:39,782 he was gonna be different, 980 00:53:39,916 --> 00:53:43,119 he had to completely break that down. 981 00:53:46,288 --> 00:53:47,824 I remember going to talk to one of my sponsors, 982 00:53:47,956 --> 00:53:50,393 a guy named Sam Hardy. 983 00:53:50,527 --> 00:53:51,894 He always had that shit in his mouth 984 00:53:52,027 --> 00:53:54,163 like a hillbilly, you know? 985 00:53:54,297 --> 00:53:58,835 And he says "Danny, everything about you... 986 00:54:01,036 --> 00:54:03,572 is meant to intimidate, everything." 987 00:54:03,706 --> 00:54:06,709 "The way you talk, the way you walk, 988 00:54:06,842 --> 00:54:08,443 the way you look at people." 989 00:54:08,577 --> 00:54:11,280 "Your survival meant striking first." 990 00:54:11,414 --> 00:54:14,617 "Your survival meant... 991 00:54:14,750 --> 00:54:16,918 killing somebody if you had to." 992 00:54:17,052 --> 00:54:20,422 "You have got to do things for other people 993 00:54:20,556 --> 00:54:24,927 and not expect any kind of reward." 994 00:54:25,061 --> 00:54:27,930 He learned how to help other people. 995 00:54:28,063 --> 00:54:29,732 He used to take the trash cans out 996 00:54:29,865 --> 00:54:31,568 for the next-door neighbor. 997 00:54:33,068 --> 00:54:35,672 Mowing somebody's lawn 998 00:54:35,804 --> 00:54:37,773 just to help somebody. 999 00:54:37,907 --> 00:54:41,244 It just kept going and kept going. 1000 00:54:41,376 --> 00:54:43,012 He started giving out his number, 1001 00:54:43,146 --> 00:54:46,449 and people would just call him up. 1002 00:54:46,581 --> 00:54:48,750 When I got a car, I'd give people a ride to meetings, 1003 00:54:48,884 --> 00:54:51,920 you know, and, uh, I'd listen to their shit. 1004 00:54:53,789 --> 00:54:57,125 I started working for Carleasy Auto Wrecking. 1005 00:54:57,259 --> 00:54:59,228 Gilbert had been out of the joint probably two weeks 1006 00:54:59,362 --> 00:55:03,398 or a week and a half, and he pulls up in a new Lincoln, 1007 00:55:03,532 --> 00:55:07,236 and he asked me, "What the fuck are you doing?" 1008 00:55:07,369 --> 00:55:09,505 And I said, "Shut up, Gilbert, I'm working." 1009 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,775 "I know, but this is embarrassing. Oh, shit." 1010 00:55:11,907 --> 00:55:13,442 You know, "We playing in dirt all day," 1011 00:55:13,576 --> 00:55:16,012 and, and he goes "Here." 1012 00:55:16,146 --> 00:55:19,448 And he gave me two quarters of heroin and he gave me a $1000. 1013 00:55:19,581 --> 00:55:21,182 He put a $1000 here, and he says, 1014 00:55:21,317 --> 00:55:23,987 "You know what, look, get yourself together, get out..." 1015 00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:25,387 "Start, you know, going to work for me." 1016 00:55:25,521 --> 00:55:27,690 "I got the bag. I'm doing real well," and... 1017 00:55:27,822 --> 00:55:30,893 This is my John Wayne, right? This is the guy. 1018 00:55:31,027 --> 00:55:33,195 "Gilbert, fuck you. I can't, man." 1019 00:55:33,329 --> 00:55:35,531 And that's the first time I ever walked away from him. 1020 00:55:35,664 --> 00:55:38,468 I grabbed the 1000 bucks. 1021 00:55:38,601 --> 00:55:40,570 But I went to the back and I'm just sitting there thinking, 1022 00:55:40,702 --> 00:55:42,237 "God, man." 1023 00:55:42,371 --> 00:55:44,240 Frank came out, and he says, 1024 00:55:44,373 --> 00:55:46,141 "Danny, I... I know how you feel." 1025 00:55:46,275 --> 00:55:49,479 "Please just wait. Just wait a couple of months." 1026 00:55:49,612 --> 00:55:51,514 "You know what's gonna happen." 1027 00:55:51,648 --> 00:55:53,215 And, you know, two-three months later, 1028 00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:55,051 Gilbert shot it out with the police somewhere, 1029 00:55:55,184 --> 00:55:57,721 you know, went back to the joint. 1030 00:56:00,188 --> 00:56:03,458 It's a way of life for some people 1031 00:56:03,592 --> 00:56:06,028 that they can't escape. 1032 00:56:06,161 --> 00:56:09,331 My Uncle Gilbert couldn't escape it. 1033 00:56:09,465 --> 00:56:11,867 You know, my little brother couldn't escape it. 1034 00:56:13,936 --> 00:56:16,338 When he died, he had two ounces of heroin on him, 1035 00:56:16,472 --> 00:56:19,342 a couple of thousand dollars and some cocaine. 1036 00:56:19,474 --> 00:56:22,545 He overdosed and died. My cousin found him. 1037 00:56:28,985 --> 00:56:31,887 That was like his big brother. 1038 00:56:32,021 --> 00:56:33,756 Even though Danny had veered from that path, 1039 00:56:33,889 --> 00:56:35,858 you know, his, he just loved Gilbert to death, 1040 00:56:35,992 --> 00:56:39,128 you know, he just, that was his everything. 1041 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:41,197 When Gilbert's son was little, 1042 00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:44,065 Danny took him as his own to raise him, 1043 00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,402 but, you know, that, 1044 00:56:46,536 --> 00:56:49,739 he was already on another path, too. 1045 00:56:49,871 --> 00:56:52,074 After we had him for a while, he was doing good 1046 00:56:52,208 --> 00:56:54,110 and his mom wanted him back, so... 1047 00:56:54,242 --> 00:56:55,878 She immediately lost control 1048 00:56:56,012 --> 00:56:58,515 and he just started hanging out at the park again. 1049 00:57:00,014 --> 00:57:02,684 At the age of 17, 1050 00:57:02,818 --> 00:57:04,787 went to the pen, uh, second-degree murder, 1051 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,623 him and about three guys, and, uh, 1052 00:57:07,757 --> 00:57:11,460 shot out of a car and killed somebody, and, uh... 1053 00:57:11,594 --> 00:57:13,695 He was just a kid, he was 17 years old. 1054 00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:15,631 He was caught up in the game. 1055 00:57:15,764 --> 00:57:18,400 You know, drugs and everything else. 1056 00:57:18,534 --> 00:57:20,903 How long has Gilbert been, uh, incarcerated? 1057 00:57:21,036 --> 00:57:22,605 Thirty-eight years. 1058 00:57:24,873 --> 00:57:26,342 I've still not seen anybody 1059 00:57:26,474 --> 00:57:28,643 make it as a drug addict 1060 00:57:28,777 --> 00:57:31,847 or as a full-fledged alcoholic. 1061 00:57:31,981 --> 00:57:35,418 They die, they go insane or they go to jail. 1062 00:57:42,724 --> 00:57:45,760 I became a drug counselor. 1063 00:57:45,893 --> 00:57:50,165 It wasn't as much money, but it was really rewarding. 1064 00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:53,402 It's a place that he could, he could speak true from. 1065 00:57:53,536 --> 00:57:55,938 Let me make the mistakes of my youth 1066 00:57:56,070 --> 00:57:59,741 so you don't have to make them for yourselves. 1067 00:57:59,875 --> 00:58:03,478 Danny was very infamous in AA, NA, CA. 1068 00:58:03,612 --> 00:58:08,416 People flew him around the United States to speak. 1069 00:58:08,550 --> 00:58:10,853 He had an opportunity to be a drug counselor. 1070 00:58:10,987 --> 00:58:12,989 That opportunity led him to an opportunity 1071 00:58:13,121 --> 00:58:14,455 to help somebody one night, 1072 00:58:14,590 --> 00:58:17,326 to guide him into his first movie. 1073 00:58:22,764 --> 00:58:27,135 He'd been out of prison for almost 20 years. 1074 00:58:27,268 --> 00:58:31,873 One of the kids that he was helping called him. 1075 00:58:32,007 --> 00:58:34,976 Danny was watching "Johnny Carson." 1076 00:58:35,110 --> 00:58:38,246 He said, "Hey, man, there's a lot of blow down here." 1077 00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:40,482 "Hey, whoa, whoa, hold on. hey, I'll be there right now." 1078 00:58:40,617 --> 00:58:43,752 And he ended up going to this warehouse. 1079 00:58:43,885 --> 00:58:47,322 He walked inside the warehouse and it was a movie set, 1080 00:58:47,456 --> 00:58:49,992 the movie set of "Runaway Train." 1081 00:58:50,125 --> 00:58:52,827 There were a bunch of guys all dressed in their blues 1082 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,829 like they had been in prison. 1083 00:58:54,963 --> 00:58:56,898 I'm watching all these guys 1084 00:58:57,032 --> 00:58:59,567 in these prison uniforms going 1085 00:58:59,702 --> 00:59:04,140 "Mother, eh, watch out, punk, eh. Does this look tough?" 1086 00:59:04,273 --> 00:59:06,909 I go, "Yeah, be somebody's wife in prison." 1087 00:59:07,043 --> 00:59:10,479 This guy came up to him and said, "You want to be an extra?" 1088 00:59:10,612 --> 00:59:12,414 Danny's like, "Extra what?" 1089 00:59:12,547 --> 00:59:14,216 He goes, "Can you play a convict?" 1090 00:59:14,349 --> 00:59:16,351 He goes, "I'll give it a shot." 1091 00:59:16,485 --> 00:59:19,821 "We'll pay you 50 bucks a day." And he goes, "Shit, okay!" 1092 00:59:19,956 --> 00:59:23,025 "You guys don't know, but those blues on me, 1093 00:59:23,157 --> 00:59:25,060 they just hang just right." 1094 00:59:25,193 --> 00:59:27,230 So as he's taking his shirt off, 1095 00:59:27,362 --> 00:59:30,231 Eddie Bunker, screenwriter, saw the tattoo 1096 00:59:30,365 --> 00:59:34,202 and goes, "Oh, my God, I know you, you're Danny Trejo." 1097 00:59:34,336 --> 00:59:38,606 "You're the boxing champion, you know, amongst other things." 1098 00:59:38,740 --> 00:59:41,476 And he said, "We need somebody to train 1099 00:59:41,610 --> 00:59:44,480 one of the actors how to box." 1100 00:59:44,612 --> 00:59:46,981 And I said, "What's it pay?" 1101 00:59:47,115 --> 00:59:50,420 And he said, "320 a day." 1102 00:59:50,552 --> 00:59:52,788 I said, "How bad do you want this guy beat up?" 1103 00:59:52,922 --> 00:59:54,624 "No, no, you gotta be careful, this actor's 1104 00:59:54,757 --> 00:59:57,860 really high-strung, man, he, he might sock you," 1105 00:59:57,992 --> 01:00:01,396 I said, "For 320 bucks, give him a stick. Are you crazy?" 1106 01:00:01,530 --> 01:00:03,431 "I've been beat up for free, homes!" 1107 01:00:03,565 --> 01:00:07,569 By this time, the director who is a, is a Russian aristocrat 1108 01:00:07,702 --> 01:00:12,373 came by and started doing these... 1109 01:00:12,507 --> 01:00:15,276 And Danny's going, "What gang sign is that?" 1110 01:00:15,411 --> 01:00:19,213 And he's looking at the tattoo, 1111 01:00:19,347 --> 01:00:23,885 he said, "You, you be in movie, you be in my movie." 1112 01:00:24,018 --> 01:00:25,820 I remember he said, "And you be my friend." 1113 01:00:25,954 --> 01:00:28,423 If you've been in prison, you don't like people saying, 1114 01:00:28,557 --> 01:00:32,027 "You be my friend." 1115 01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:34,996 Andre then kissed me, he, like, kissed me on one cheek, 1116 01:00:35,130 --> 01:00:37,800 kissed me on the other cheek and walked away, right? 1117 01:00:37,934 --> 01:00:39,301 And I remember telling Eddie, 1118 01:00:39,434 --> 01:00:41,702 "Look, if I'm gonna be kissing that old man, 1119 01:00:41,836 --> 01:00:43,005 I want more money." 1120 01:00:43,139 --> 01:00:44,774 And he goes, "No, no, he's European." 1121 01:00:44,907 --> 01:00:47,109 I didn't know Europeans kissed! 1122 01:00:47,242 --> 01:00:48,377 That was his introduction 1123 01:00:48,510 --> 01:00:50,646 was "Runaway Train." 1124 01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:54,283 And that's a funny part of his story. 1125 01:00:54,416 --> 01:00:58,054 It was like going from Pacoima to Mars. 1126 01:00:58,186 --> 01:01:00,822 He'd never been to Hollywood... 1127 01:01:00,956 --> 01:01:03,325 ...in East Hollywood. 1128 01:01:03,458 --> 01:01:05,426 One day he got paid 1129 01:01:05,561 --> 01:01:07,796 and he thought he got paid too much. 1130 01:01:07,929 --> 01:01:10,132 The first check was more than what I had added up 1131 01:01:10,264 --> 01:01:12,268 on 320s. I mean what? 1132 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,103 And I, I remember sticking that check in my pocket, 1133 01:01:14,235 --> 01:01:16,103 phew, I'm splitting, I'm going to the bank 1134 01:01:16,237 --> 01:01:17,705 to cash it, because they blew it, 1135 01:01:17,838 --> 01:01:20,208 they gave me a lot more money than I'd added up. 1136 01:01:20,342 --> 01:01:21,676 "No, no, no, that's what you get paid." 1137 01:01:21,809 --> 01:01:23,846 "You get paid that every week. It's okay." 1138 01:01:23,978 --> 01:01:26,114 He just couldn't believe it. 1139 01:01:26,248 --> 01:01:27,348 You're not only going from 1140 01:01:27,483 --> 01:01:31,220 a class shift in perspective, 1141 01:01:31,353 --> 01:01:36,091 you're also going from a cultural shift in perspective. 1142 01:01:40,394 --> 01:01:42,331 Eddie was Danny's guide 1143 01:01:42,463 --> 01:01:46,034 on how to be successful in Hollywood. 1144 01:01:46,168 --> 01:01:48,771 Eddie had an incredible high IQ. 1145 01:01:48,903 --> 01:01:52,541 He had served time, longer than Danny did. 1146 01:01:52,675 --> 01:01:56,077 He had been on the streets since he was eight. 1147 01:01:56,210 --> 01:02:01,015 He would diagram robberies and he'd sell them. 1148 01:02:01,150 --> 01:02:03,318 Eddie actually knew my Uncle Gilbert. 1149 01:02:03,452 --> 01:02:07,223 My Uncle Gilbert had bought robberies from Eddie. 1150 01:02:07,356 --> 01:02:08,991 He brought Danny into the business 1151 01:02:09,125 --> 01:02:12,894 and really taught him the ins and outs of another gang, 1152 01:02:13,027 --> 01:02:14,395 as you might wanna call it, 1153 01:02:14,530 --> 01:02:16,198 you know, 'cause Hollywood is like that. 1154 01:02:16,331 --> 01:02:17,333 If you don't know your way around, 1155 01:02:17,467 --> 01:02:19,067 you can get in trouble. 1156 01:02:19,201 --> 01:02:20,903 They used to pay extras every day, 1157 01:02:21,036 --> 01:02:23,105 about 300 extras on "Runaway Train." 1158 01:02:23,237 --> 01:02:25,707 They would bring Eric his per diem, 1159 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,009 they would bring John Voight his per diem. 1160 01:02:28,143 --> 01:02:29,445 I remember sitting in the parking lot 1161 01:02:29,577 --> 01:02:31,380 smoking a cigarette, and I watched this guy 1162 01:02:31,512 --> 01:02:33,415 pull up, right, and I see him with a big briefcase, 1163 01:02:33,548 --> 01:02:35,583 and he's walking by, right? 1164 01:02:35,717 --> 01:02:37,286 Damn, you know, 1165 01:02:37,418 --> 01:02:39,887 and I know it's nothing but cash in that briefcase. 1166 01:02:40,021 --> 01:02:43,092 And I remember Eddie Bunker coming by, "The fuck you doing?" 1167 01:02:43,224 --> 01:02:45,594 I say, "Sit in the car, watch this, check this out." 1168 01:02:45,728 --> 01:02:47,663 Eddie goes, he's in there, 1169 01:02:47,795 --> 01:02:49,797 "That's it? Oh." And I go, "Yeah, that's it." 1170 01:02:49,931 --> 01:02:53,503 Six, seven, eight-thousand dollars in that thing. 1171 01:02:53,635 --> 01:02:56,905 And Eddie says "That's chump change, 1172 01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:58,273 that's what you're talking about, 1173 01:02:58,407 --> 01:02:59,574 that's just chump change." 1174 01:02:59,708 --> 01:03:01,976 He says, "Danny, the way you look, 1175 01:03:02,110 --> 01:03:05,079 and the way you act... 1176 01:03:05,213 --> 01:03:08,384 you stick with this program, that'll be chump change." 1177 01:03:08,516 --> 01:03:11,553 "You'll carry that around in your pocket." 1178 01:03:11,686 --> 01:03:15,423 "Hollywood wants people that can act tough." 1179 01:03:15,557 --> 01:03:17,425 "They don't want tough guys." 1180 01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:21,597 "You have to disarm people immediately." 1181 01:03:21,731 --> 01:03:23,299 I go, "What do you mean, Eddie?" He says, "You know what?" 1182 01:03:23,431 --> 01:03:24,966 "People are afraid of you, Danny." 1183 01:03:25,099 --> 01:03:27,135 "We're on a movie set and people are afraid of you." 1184 01:03:27,268 --> 01:03:30,905 "Because we have this look that says I will kill you, 1185 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,976 I will kill the people that dry clean your clothes." 1186 01:03:40,148 --> 01:03:42,150 My career took off immediately. 1187 01:03:42,284 --> 01:03:45,653 It was almost like doing porn, every time I walked on to a set 1188 01:03:45,786 --> 01:03:47,054 the first thing the director said, 1189 01:03:47,188 --> 01:03:48,656 "Uh, take off your shirt," 1190 01:03:48,791 --> 01:03:50,793 'cause they wanted to see that tattoo. 1191 01:03:52,594 --> 01:03:55,497 This girl was interviewing me, and she said, 1192 01:03:55,630 --> 01:03:57,498 "Aren't you afraid of being typecast?" 1193 01:03:57,632 --> 01:03:58,967 I said, "What are you talking about?" 1194 01:03:59,101 --> 01:04:00,369 "Well Danny, you're always playing 1195 01:04:00,501 --> 01:04:03,137 the mean Chicano dude with tattoos." 1196 01:04:03,271 --> 01:04:04,907 I thought about it, I said, 1197 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:08,043 "I am the mean Chicano dude with tattoos, 1198 01:04:08,175 --> 01:04:10,444 so it's like, somebody finally got it right." 1199 01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:16,285 You never went to acting school... 1200 01:04:16,418 --> 01:04:20,188 Well, I, actually, I trained in at San Quentin Drama Arts. 1201 01:04:20,322 --> 01:04:22,458 Yeah. 1202 01:04:22,590 --> 01:04:25,860 The good thing is I got to learn kind of on... on the job 1203 01:04:25,994 --> 01:04:28,797 because the first five years of my career, 1204 01:04:28,929 --> 01:04:30,865 I just played Inmate Number One. 1205 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,168 Prisoner Number One, Number Ten. 1206 01:04:34,302 --> 01:04:36,672 - Cholo Number One. - Ese Number One. 1207 01:04:36,804 --> 01:04:39,741 Gangster Number One, Gangster Number Two. 1208 01:04:39,875 --> 01:04:42,878 - Inmate with tattoos. - Man Yelling. 1209 01:04:43,010 --> 01:04:45,012 You know, I'll be the bad guy, I'll be the good guy, 1210 01:04:45,146 --> 01:04:47,014 I'll be the guy that sells flowers, 1211 01:04:47,148 --> 01:04:49,384 you know, I'll be the dry cleaner, it doesn't matter. 1212 01:04:49,518 --> 01:04:52,186 I'm acting, and what am I getting paid? 1213 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:53,555 The year I was born was the year 1214 01:04:53,688 --> 01:04:57,224 he had his first character with a name. 1215 01:05:01,362 --> 01:05:03,098 "Death Wish 4." 1216 01:05:05,534 --> 01:05:07,103 With Charles Bronson. 1217 01:05:08,536 --> 01:05:10,205 Art Sanella. 1218 01:05:10,338 --> 01:05:11,773 He grabs Charles Bronson by the arm and says, 1219 01:05:11,907 --> 01:05:14,409 "Hey, don't I know you from somewhere?" 1220 01:05:14,543 --> 01:05:16,378 Hey, don't I know you from some place? 1221 01:05:16,510 --> 01:05:19,081 I don't think so. 1222 01:05:19,213 --> 01:05:21,717 Charles Bronson throws water in his face and blows him up, 1223 01:05:21,849 --> 01:05:24,952 because it's a "Death Wish" movie. 1224 01:05:25,085 --> 01:05:27,055 We were on that movie set and we're having a blast 1225 01:05:27,188 --> 01:05:29,690 and Perry Lopez is this old guy. 1226 01:05:29,824 --> 01:05:31,726 This kid got shitty with him. 1227 01:05:34,096 --> 01:05:36,731 I thought that they knew each other. 1228 01:05:36,864 --> 01:05:40,135 Then the kid comes out again and says, "I went to Julliard" 1229 01:05:40,268 --> 01:05:42,404 or whatever, "There's only one director." 1230 01:05:42,538 --> 01:05:45,507 So finally I said "Wait a minute, bitch, 1231 01:05:45,641 --> 01:05:47,675 I know who the piss you think you are, 1232 01:05:47,809 --> 01:05:51,112 but I just nominate him director." 1233 01:05:51,246 --> 01:05:54,349 "You do whatever the fuck he says or I'll beat you to death." 1234 01:05:54,483 --> 01:05:56,151 I, but I'm trying to stay in character. 1235 01:05:56,284 --> 01:05:59,587 I said, "Well, your character is about to get his ass beat, okay, 1236 01:05:59,722 --> 01:06:02,424 so now just lighten up, and I think you owe him an apology." 1237 01:06:02,556 --> 01:06:05,860 And he goes, "Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Lopez." 1238 01:06:05,994 --> 01:06:07,628 And then I turn around, 1239 01:06:07,762 --> 01:06:11,133 and the director, standing right there. 1240 01:06:11,266 --> 01:06:14,234 The last thing you want in the world 1241 01:06:14,369 --> 01:06:16,238 is for a director to hear 1242 01:06:16,371 --> 01:06:18,807 you're gonna beat one of his actors to death. 1243 01:06:18,940 --> 01:06:23,477 And I remember him looking at me and saying... 1244 01:06:23,612 --> 01:06:25,114 "We've had a little problem with him." 1245 01:06:25,246 --> 01:06:27,681 "I, I don't think he'll be a problem anymore." 1246 01:06:27,815 --> 01:06:29,317 And he walked away. 1247 01:06:29,451 --> 01:06:32,186 Charles Bronson is right there. 1248 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,792 I turn around, he's looking at me and he goes... 1249 01:06:36,925 --> 01:06:38,860 "You're some kind of drug counselor, aren't you?" 1250 01:06:38,994 --> 01:06:41,630 And I'm, "Yes." 1251 01:06:41,764 --> 01:06:44,032 This Charles Bronson, man, I'm a bitch, okay? 1252 01:06:44,166 --> 01:06:46,835 And he goes... 1253 01:06:46,969 --> 01:06:48,336 "I like the way you counsel people." 1254 01:06:48,469 --> 01:06:51,806 And walked away. 1255 01:06:51,940 --> 01:06:54,675 I think that's one of the best advice that he ever gave me. 1256 01:06:54,809 --> 01:06:56,644 The whole world can think you're a movie star, 1257 01:06:56,778 --> 01:06:58,079 but you can't. 1258 01:06:58,213 --> 01:07:00,082 I love that one. 1259 01:07:00,215 --> 01:07:03,919 I would think somebody like Danny would automatically 1260 01:07:04,052 --> 01:07:05,887 be like, "I would kill a motherfucker like you 1261 01:07:06,021 --> 01:07:07,823 ten years ago." 1262 01:07:07,956 --> 01:07:10,925 And just brush it off. 1263 01:07:11,059 --> 01:07:14,463 This is a guy who's seen blood, he's seen death, 1264 01:07:14,597 --> 01:07:17,632 just to get to age 15-16 years old. 1265 01:07:17,766 --> 01:07:21,037 Hollywood, that's what this is. It's, it's eh. 1266 01:07:27,943 --> 01:07:30,345 "Blood In Blood Out" called my agency. 1267 01:07:30,478 --> 01:07:33,348 I talked to Taylor Hackford and I really liked it. 1268 01:07:33,481 --> 01:07:35,416 I think that was one of the first times that my dad 1269 01:07:35,550 --> 01:07:39,655 went back to prison after getting out of prison. 1270 01:07:39,789 --> 01:07:41,690 People were yelling our name, you know, 1271 01:07:41,822 --> 01:07:43,591 "Perry, hey, what's up!" You know? 1272 01:07:43,726 --> 01:07:47,863 "Trejo! Hey, come to my cell!" 1273 01:07:47,996 --> 01:07:50,764 I first saw him, I believe it was "Desperado." 1274 01:07:50,898 --> 01:07:53,935 I was like, "Who's that dude? He looks creepy as fuck!" 1275 01:07:54,068 --> 01:07:56,438 "Like, damn, what the hell?" 1276 01:07:58,273 --> 01:08:00,809 I sent Danny into an audition. 1277 01:08:02,043 --> 01:08:04,246 There really wasn't sides. 1278 01:08:04,378 --> 01:08:06,981 I needed a silent assassin who had these knives, 1279 01:08:07,115 --> 01:08:08,784 and so I told the casting director, 1280 01:08:08,916 --> 01:08:11,420 "Find me somebody who just looks really menacing 1281 01:08:11,552 --> 01:08:13,288 because he's not gonna have any dialogue." 1282 01:08:13,420 --> 01:08:15,456 And then he walked in, and it was like, "Holy shit." 1283 01:08:15,590 --> 01:08:17,291 And he looked at me and said, 1284 01:08:17,425 --> 01:08:20,429 "You look like the bad guys in my high school." 1285 01:08:20,561 --> 01:08:24,599 And I said, "I am the bad guys in your high school." 1286 01:08:26,268 --> 01:08:27,903 I had never seen Danny in my life 1287 01:08:28,036 --> 01:08:30,905 before he showed up on the set. 1288 01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:32,975 No matter how early you got up, he was up 1289 01:08:33,108 --> 01:08:35,244 standing outside your door, really, he... 1290 01:08:35,377 --> 01:08:37,913 Literally, it was, "Hey, Dan." "Hey, you wanna go for a walk?" 1291 01:08:38,046 --> 01:08:41,482 He was an interesting character right from the beginning. 1292 01:08:41,617 --> 01:08:43,452 I met Salma Hayek, 1293 01:08:43,585 --> 01:08:46,887 and she's like just go-to-hell gorgeous. 1294 01:08:47,021 --> 01:08:48,355 I just walked up to her, I just told her, 1295 01:08:48,489 --> 01:08:51,760 "Look, go, go pick two banks, 1296 01:08:51,893 --> 01:08:53,162 I'll rob 'em for you." 1297 01:08:53,295 --> 01:08:55,497 Salma's so funny, she goes, "Just two?" 1298 01:08:55,631 --> 01:08:58,333 When I saw him for the first time, he saw me, 1299 01:08:58,466 --> 01:09:02,036 and he runs over to me and ripped his shirt off. 1300 01:09:03,738 --> 01:09:07,141 And he said, "I knew you before I knew you!" 1301 01:09:07,275 --> 01:09:10,045 "I dreamt you before I knew you!" 1302 01:09:10,177 --> 01:09:14,148 And, and sure enough, there was a, a picture of a woman 1303 01:09:14,282 --> 01:09:16,784 that looks exactly like me. 1304 01:09:16,918 --> 01:09:18,787 And I showed her my tattoo, I said, 1305 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,654 "That's a picture of you, honey." 1306 01:09:20,788 --> 01:09:24,792 She goes "Wow, I'm really flattered." 1307 01:09:24,926 --> 01:09:27,496 Robert Rodriguez, you know, is related. 1308 01:09:27,630 --> 01:09:30,131 They didn't find out until they were actually on set 1309 01:09:30,265 --> 01:09:33,768 and filming that they were cousins through marriage. 1310 01:09:33,902 --> 01:09:36,438 We found out we were second cousins down the line. 1311 01:09:36,572 --> 01:09:38,806 That's cool, uh, make my part bigger, homes. 1312 01:09:38,939 --> 01:09:40,942 "Put me in, coach, put me in, coach, give me a line, give..." 1313 01:09:41,076 --> 01:09:42,543 I said, "No, I'm not gonna give you a line." 1314 01:09:42,676 --> 01:09:44,779 "If I give you a line, it'll blow the whole mystique." 1315 01:09:44,912 --> 01:09:47,381 Danny doesn't have any lines in the whole movie, 1316 01:09:47,515 --> 01:09:49,284 which is interesting because you always remember 1317 01:09:49,417 --> 01:09:51,152 his character, the guy with the knives. 1318 01:09:51,286 --> 01:09:53,355 But he didn't say one thing in the whole movie. 1319 01:09:53,488 --> 01:09:55,590 "Hey, give me a line, homes, I'm your cousin." 1320 01:09:55,722 --> 01:09:57,859 You know what I mean? "No, Danny, no, hold on." 1321 01:09:57,993 --> 01:09:59,561 And then he'd have me in these scenes, it's, 1322 01:09:59,694 --> 01:10:00,996 "Well, just give him a look, give..." 1323 01:10:01,130 --> 01:10:03,265 "Robert, give me a line, man." 1324 01:10:03,398 --> 01:10:05,667 And somebody asked me, 1325 01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,704 "Uh, Danny, you... you know, you didn't speak a word 1326 01:10:08,837 --> 01:10:11,039 and yet your character was so strong." 1327 01:10:11,171 --> 01:10:14,042 "Was that an actor's choice?" I said, "Absolutely!" 1328 01:10:16,878 --> 01:10:20,381 I think Robert gave me the finger, I'm not sure. 1329 01:10:20,515 --> 01:10:23,418 Going to prison and having to be that scary 1330 01:10:23,551 --> 01:10:25,654 without saying anything? 1331 01:10:25,787 --> 01:10:28,356 When he was on screen, like, took over. 1332 01:10:28,489 --> 01:10:32,726 That really drove him forward. 1333 01:10:36,564 --> 01:10:38,832 He always talks about "Heat." 1334 01:10:38,966 --> 01:10:41,769 He said, "Sis, if I get this role, 1335 01:10:41,903 --> 01:10:44,073 that takes me to another level." 1336 01:10:47,208 --> 01:10:51,679 I think it represented a turning point in my life. 1337 01:10:51,813 --> 01:10:54,750 Robert De Niro. Come on, man. "Taxi?" 1338 01:10:54,882 --> 01:10:58,153 Al Pacino? You know, John Voight. 1339 01:10:58,286 --> 01:11:00,889 I'll be your Huckleberry, shit. 1340 01:11:01,023 --> 01:11:02,724 This is it, the top of the line, 1341 01:11:02,858 --> 01:11:04,927 and I got to work with him, I got to talk to him, 1342 01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:07,462 I got to eat lunch with him. 1343 01:11:07,595 --> 01:11:10,297 You're no longer like just a bad guy. 1344 01:11:10,431 --> 01:11:12,900 You're like a actor. 1345 01:11:13,033 --> 01:11:16,304 On "Heat" he served as a consultant. 1346 01:11:16,438 --> 01:11:20,742 He and Eddie Bunker, they, they were the criminals. 1347 01:11:20,875 --> 01:11:23,645 "So how would we do this?" "Well..." 1348 01:11:23,779 --> 01:11:26,715 No, you do it this way, no, you gotta do it this way. 1349 01:11:26,847 --> 01:11:30,918 John Voight's character was based on Eddie. 1350 01:11:31,051 --> 01:11:34,221 John Voight went into the makeup trailer, 1351 01:11:34,355 --> 01:11:36,757 stuck a picture up there 1352 01:11:36,891 --> 01:11:38,460 and said, "That's what I wanna look like." 1353 01:11:38,594 --> 01:11:39,961 People who didn't know Eddie would say, 1354 01:11:40,094 --> 01:11:44,298 "Wow, is that it?" No, John Voight. 1355 01:11:44,431 --> 01:11:47,603 Michael Mann did a movie called the "Jericho Mile." 1356 01:11:47,735 --> 01:11:49,970 He won't cop to it, but the reality is 1357 01:11:50,104 --> 01:11:51,906 he did Folsom Prison. 1358 01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:56,711 In order to get the Mexicans to work... 1359 01:11:56,845 --> 01:12:01,216 y... you gotta kind of talk to the un... union... 1360 01:12:01,349 --> 01:12:04,153 Union leaders, the guys that are kinda in control. 1361 01:12:04,286 --> 01:12:07,622 My dad's Uncle Gilbert, he was still in prison. 1362 01:12:07,756 --> 01:12:10,125 We ended up talking to my Uncle Gilbert Trejo, 1363 01:12:10,257 --> 01:12:12,527 and a couple of the other shot callers, 1364 01:12:12,661 --> 01:12:14,462 and, and so when I showed up on "Heat," 1365 01:12:14,595 --> 01:12:16,063 he came to me and he said, 1366 01:12:16,198 --> 01:12:21,036 "Danny? Do you care if we call you Gilbert Trejo?" 1367 01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:25,939 And I, I mean, I wanted a homage to my uncle, you know? 1368 01:12:26,073 --> 01:12:28,876 I said "No, man, thank you." 1369 01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:33,382 If you watch "Heat," my name is Gilbert Trejo in that movie. 1370 01:12:35,850 --> 01:12:38,519 It was actually like one of the few movies 1371 01:12:38,653 --> 01:12:43,057 that he's been in that I was kind of traumatized by. 1372 01:12:43,192 --> 01:12:45,661 We were sitting there and just like... 1373 01:12:45,793 --> 01:12:47,295 Like watching the screen, looking over, 1374 01:12:47,429 --> 01:12:48,829 making sure he's still there, watching the screen, 1375 01:12:48,963 --> 01:12:51,132 looking over, making sure he's still there. 1376 01:12:54,836 --> 01:12:57,539 It was a very real death to me. 1377 01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,274 Why'd you do it? 1378 01:13:01,408 --> 01:13:04,211 Knowing my dad's history, 1379 01:13:04,345 --> 01:13:06,079 it was too real for me. 1380 01:13:06,213 --> 01:13:07,715 They made me. 1381 01:13:07,849 --> 01:13:10,784 Robert asked me, he said, 1382 01:13:10,918 --> 01:13:14,122 "How do you wanna play this, Danny?" 1383 01:13:14,255 --> 01:13:16,391 And I said, "I don't know, Bob. What do you think?" 1384 01:13:16,524 --> 01:13:18,894 Notice I said Bob. "I don't know, Bob. What do you think?" 1385 01:13:19,027 --> 01:13:20,529 And he says, "Well, you know, Danny, I think you're dead, 1386 01:13:20,662 --> 01:13:22,564 I think you're already dead, I think you just got 1387 01:13:22,697 --> 01:13:25,300 enough breath to beg me to kill you." 1388 01:13:25,432 --> 01:13:28,403 Don't leave me like this. 1389 01:13:28,537 --> 01:13:31,539 I know for Danny that was the heaviest moment 1390 01:13:31,672 --> 01:13:36,110 of his film career was his death in "Heat." 1391 01:13:36,243 --> 01:13:38,512 For this boy from Pacoima who'd been through 1392 01:13:38,646 --> 01:13:40,716 all of these institutions, 1393 01:13:40,849 --> 01:13:43,952 Danny's death in "Heat" was the most beautiful 1394 01:13:44,086 --> 01:13:46,755 and almost the hardest one to watch. 1395 01:13:46,887 --> 01:13:48,957 It's where his life could have gone. 1396 01:13:56,430 --> 01:13:57,898 When you find really good people, working 1397 01:13:58,033 --> 01:13:59,634 with them on one movie is almost a crime. 1398 01:13:59,768 --> 01:14:02,570 You're using one facet of their personality and talent. 1399 01:14:02,703 --> 01:14:05,239 And now, for your viewing pleasure. 1400 01:14:05,373 --> 01:14:09,109 I thought, my God, I gotta put him in, in a, in a kid's film. 1401 01:14:09,243 --> 01:14:13,148 So that's when I got Danny and put him in "Spy Kids." 1402 01:14:13,282 --> 01:14:15,315 You wouldn't just cast him in a role like that 1403 01:14:15,449 --> 01:14:16,751 'cause you never would have seen it. 1404 01:14:16,884 --> 01:14:18,287 I saw it, you know, day to day. 1405 01:14:18,420 --> 01:14:19,854 That's... that's just who he was. 1406 01:14:19,987 --> 01:14:22,623 And I thought it was a fascinating juxtaposition 1407 01:14:22,756 --> 01:14:24,491 of personality and what you would think 1408 01:14:24,625 --> 01:14:27,494 that person's personality is just by looking at him, 1409 01:14:27,627 --> 01:14:29,162 by profiling him. 1410 01:14:29,296 --> 01:14:31,298 What are you working on? 1411 01:14:31,432 --> 01:14:33,467 World's smallest camera. 1412 01:14:33,601 --> 01:14:34,903 Then he was Uncle Machete. 1413 01:14:35,036 --> 01:14:36,237 I don't see it. 1414 01:14:36,371 --> 01:14:38,472 Kids started recognizing him, 1415 01:14:38,605 --> 01:14:40,442 and the parents are kind of like 1416 01:14:40,574 --> 01:14:42,810 "Why does my kid know who this dude is?" 1417 01:14:42,944 --> 01:14:44,646 And no one knows what you do for a living. 1418 01:14:44,779 --> 01:14:47,415 I think we all have uncles like that. 1419 01:14:47,548 --> 01:14:49,083 He got a whole other audience, 1420 01:14:49,216 --> 01:14:50,951 kids would flock to him when they would see him, 1421 01:14:51,086 --> 01:14:53,188 so that opened up a whole other world. 1422 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,289 That was when you knew he was really gonna make it 1423 01:14:56,423 --> 01:14:57,759 was when they would let him live. 1424 01:14:57,891 --> 01:14:59,193 It was like, "Oh, we're not just 1425 01:14:59,327 --> 01:15:00,929 killing him off in the first 15?" 1426 01:15:01,061 --> 01:15:03,131 That was when you knew, oh, he's gonna be a star. 1427 01:15:05,801 --> 01:15:07,568 If you ever see a movie called "Sherrybaby," 1428 01:15:07,702 --> 01:15:09,971 there's no violence, he's not a tough guy, 1429 01:15:10,104 --> 01:15:12,006 it's just straight, dramatic acting. 1430 01:15:12,140 --> 01:15:14,643 He's amazing. Never had an acting lesson. 1431 01:15:14,775 --> 01:15:17,545 My name's Dean, I'm an alcoholic and an addict. 1432 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:19,313 Hi, Dean. 1433 01:15:19,447 --> 01:15:21,650 I was the nice guy, I was the guy that helped her, 1434 01:15:21,783 --> 01:15:23,318 everybody else was, like, ripping her off, 1435 01:15:23,452 --> 01:15:25,220 and she had just gotten out of prison, 1436 01:15:25,354 --> 01:15:26,588 so everybody was kind of like 1437 01:15:26,721 --> 01:15:28,856 abusing her, taking advantage of her. 1438 01:15:28,989 --> 01:15:31,592 It ended up a really great movie. 1439 01:15:31,725 --> 01:15:34,161 He first started getting jobs, 1440 01:15:34,296 --> 01:15:35,697 we'd be on the way to school, 1441 01:15:35,829 --> 01:15:37,865 and he would say, "Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on," 1442 01:15:37,998 --> 01:15:40,702 and just pull into this, like, whole different world, 1443 01:15:40,835 --> 01:15:42,369 this, you know, these movie sets 1444 01:15:42,503 --> 01:15:46,140 and then we just wouldn't go to school that day. 1445 01:15:46,274 --> 01:15:49,411 Within a span of a few years, he shot "Desperado," "Heat," 1446 01:15:49,543 --> 01:15:52,680 "From Dusk Till Dawn" and "Con Air." 1447 01:15:54,481 --> 01:15:56,216 If it wasn't for Benny Urquidez, 1448 01:15:56,350 --> 01:15:58,752 five-time world kickboxing champion, 1449 01:15:58,886 --> 01:16:01,255 I probably would have killed somebody on that set. 1450 01:16:01,389 --> 01:16:04,225 What they did, they got all the wannabe tough guys 1451 01:16:04,358 --> 01:16:05,460 in Hollywood. 1452 01:16:05,594 --> 01:16:07,228 Everything was a contest 1453 01:16:07,362 --> 01:16:08,628 on this, you understand? 1454 01:16:08,762 --> 01:16:11,800 If you spit... 1455 01:16:11,932 --> 01:16:15,871 somebody else would immediately spit further. 1456 01:16:16,003 --> 01:16:17,805 They're all talking about all their badass stories, 1457 01:16:17,939 --> 01:16:20,041 and, you know, everybody's done 1458 01:16:20,173 --> 01:16:23,810 some amazingly wonderful violent things and how tough they are, 1459 01:16:23,944 --> 01:16:26,981 and Danny's just sitting back there, sitting like this. 1460 01:16:27,114 --> 01:16:28,916 Nick gets up, Cage, Nick gets up, and he goes, 1461 01:16:29,051 --> 01:16:30,719 "Well, I don't know about all of you, 1462 01:16:30,851 --> 01:16:35,090 but the only person here I'm afraid of is Danny." 1463 01:16:35,222 --> 01:16:38,893 And I wanted to say, "Why me?" 1464 01:16:39,027 --> 01:16:41,896 I'd be scared of me in an alley, too. 1465 01:16:44,365 --> 01:16:45,600 By the time "Con Air" came out, we were like, 1466 01:16:45,733 --> 01:16:47,534 "Whoa, your arm got cut off!" 1467 01:16:47,668 --> 01:16:50,904 Left his arm hanging, and the tattoos, you know? 1468 01:16:51,038 --> 01:16:53,474 I was like, "Damn, look at that shit!" 1469 01:16:53,608 --> 01:16:55,043 Some of the celebrities that have killed me, 1470 01:16:55,176 --> 01:16:57,912 I've been killed by some bad ones. 1471 01:16:58,046 --> 01:17:00,649 Mickey Rourke killed me in a movie a long time ago. 1472 01:17:00,782 --> 01:17:02,382 50 Cent killed me. You know that's... 1473 01:17:02,516 --> 01:17:06,320 Now wait a minute, that's, that's like, cool. 1474 01:17:06,454 --> 01:17:10,091 There have been quite a few... 1475 01:17:10,225 --> 01:17:13,161 Shot, stabbed, needles in the neck, 1476 01:17:13,293 --> 01:17:17,032 head chopped off, hung, blown up. 1477 01:17:17,164 --> 01:17:19,699 The first one that I remember watching 1478 01:17:19,833 --> 01:17:21,702 was "Dusk Till Dawn." 1479 01:17:21,836 --> 01:17:25,340 I took my daughter and my son. Danielle was six. 1480 01:17:28,342 --> 01:17:29,845 He like, melts into the pool table 1481 01:17:29,978 --> 01:17:32,180 and his eyes go into the pool sockets, 1482 01:17:32,314 --> 01:17:36,017 and I distinctly remember jumping out of my seat like, 1483 01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:37,217 "That was the coolest thing.." 1484 01:17:37,351 --> 01:17:39,720 "Oh, that was so cool!" 1485 01:17:39,854 --> 01:17:42,824 "Your eyes went into the pool pockets!" 1486 01:17:42,957 --> 01:17:45,994 All, all the people looked at me like, "Whoa!" 1487 01:17:46,127 --> 01:17:48,329 He jumps on an elevator to chase a hero 1488 01:17:48,462 --> 01:17:51,132 and he's on the roof of the elevator and he shoots it up, 1489 01:17:51,265 --> 01:17:53,367 but then the hero hits the up button, 1490 01:17:53,501 --> 01:17:55,869 and it squishes him and like, blood comes through the holes 1491 01:17:56,003 --> 01:17:57,706 and I remember seeing that as a kid, you know, 1492 01:17:57,838 --> 01:17:59,740 I was just like, damn. 1493 01:17:59,873 --> 01:18:03,577 TV in "Halloween..." 1494 01:18:03,711 --> 01:18:06,548 smashed over his head by Mikey. 1495 01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,216 There's a badger or something that 1496 01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:11,653 is at crotch level in a cage or something, you know? 1497 01:18:11,786 --> 01:18:16,024 Basically, his genitalia is eaten off by a crazy badger. 1498 01:18:16,157 --> 01:18:17,992 Dang. 1499 01:18:18,125 --> 01:18:21,128 You see the one where his head is on a turtle? 1500 01:18:21,261 --> 01:18:23,163 I remember when Gloria called me into the office 1501 01:18:23,297 --> 01:18:26,635 and said, "Hey, Dan, you wanna do a Hollywood's first?" 1502 01:18:26,768 --> 01:18:28,670 'Cause we love doing a Hollywood's first. 1503 01:18:28,802 --> 01:18:32,974 "You're gonna cross the desert on a tortoise." 1504 01:18:33,106 --> 01:18:37,144 And I'm thinking it must be like a... a cartoon 1505 01:18:37,278 --> 01:18:38,713 'cause it's gotta be a pretty big tortoise. 1506 01:18:38,846 --> 01:18:40,148 I was, "Well, I'll ride a tortoise." 1507 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,884 "Well, you don't exactly ride it, 1508 01:18:43,018 --> 01:18:44,351 your head is." 1509 01:18:47,021 --> 01:18:49,524 "Oh, so they're decapitating me?" "Yeah." 1510 01:18:49,658 --> 01:18:52,827 "And, and how much are they paying me?" 1511 01:18:52,961 --> 01:18:55,695 "Okay, I'll do it." 1512 01:18:55,829 --> 01:18:57,097 "Hey, we saw you get killed." 1513 01:18:57,231 --> 01:18:58,833 "Yeah, what, did you see me go to the bank?" 1514 01:19:01,869 --> 01:19:04,271 Kill me, kill me, kill me! 1515 01:19:04,405 --> 01:19:06,073 As the movies started coming out, 1516 01:19:06,207 --> 01:19:08,243 the crowds started getting bigger. 1517 01:19:10,377 --> 01:19:12,813 There was this character that Robert had come up with, 1518 01:19:12,947 --> 01:19:15,884 Machete, the wrong Mexican. 1519 01:19:17,618 --> 01:19:19,387 When I went to do "Grindhouse," 1520 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,922 Quentin and I were coming up with a bunch of fake trailers, 1521 01:19:22,056 --> 01:19:25,092 and I said, "I got a fake trailer, it's 'Machete.'" 1522 01:19:25,225 --> 01:19:27,127 There's Blaxploitation films from the '70s, 1523 01:19:27,261 --> 01:19:29,330 but there was no Mexploitation movies. Huh, why not? 1524 01:19:29,462 --> 01:19:31,265 Let's go back in time and pretend 1525 01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:33,000 there were Mexploitation movies, 1526 01:19:33,134 --> 01:19:35,837 and it'll be a Mexploitation film called "Machete." 1527 01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:37,505 You're flying, you know, in the air with 1528 01:19:37,637 --> 01:19:39,673 this motorcycle that's got a machine gun on it, 1529 01:19:39,806 --> 01:19:42,676 you don't have to see where you land, you cut out of it. 1530 01:19:42,810 --> 01:19:45,447 It got such a huge reaction in the theater, 1531 01:19:45,579 --> 01:19:46,913 but we thought that was it. 1532 01:19:47,047 --> 01:19:49,015 We didn't think we were gonna make a film. 1533 01:19:49,149 --> 01:19:52,420 By 2010, I'd gotten so much comments 1534 01:19:52,554 --> 01:19:53,954 from people saying, "When's that movie coming out?" 1535 01:19:54,087 --> 01:19:55,023 They thought it was a real movie, 1536 01:19:55,155 --> 01:19:56,858 they were excited to see it. 1537 01:19:56,992 --> 01:19:59,092 Danny was like "The white people have Superman 1538 01:19:59,225 --> 01:20:00,929 "and the black people have Hancock 1539 01:20:01,061 --> 01:20:03,296 and the Mexicans need Machete!" 1540 01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:05,966 I was like, "Oh, my God." 1541 01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:09,002 "This is freaking insane. Seriously?" 1542 01:20:09,136 --> 01:20:12,206 "I'm in." 1543 01:20:12,340 --> 01:20:14,641 Danny Trejo's going to be the leag, lead, 1544 01:20:14,774 --> 01:20:18,778 and he gets the girl? Girls? Ah, I'm in for that. 1545 01:20:18,912 --> 01:20:20,814 You ain't gotta tell me twice, I played a fucking dude 1546 01:20:20,948 --> 01:20:22,750 in a movie, like, I don't care. 1547 01:20:22,884 --> 01:20:25,086 I like the crazier the better. 1548 01:20:25,220 --> 01:20:26,587 And then Robert called me and said 1549 01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,456 "I want you to come in and play a priest 1550 01:20:29,591 --> 01:20:31,826 and you're his brother." So, okay, cool. 1551 01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,497 Oh, crucifixion. Yeah, that's a novel twist. 1552 01:20:37,265 --> 01:20:39,267 And the cast just kept growing. 1553 01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,802 De Niro signed on and Jessica Alba signed on, 1554 01:20:41,935 --> 01:20:44,438 you know, I guess it's not a $5 million movie anymore. 1555 01:20:44,572 --> 01:20:46,774 We had some bad dudes in that thing, we had... 1556 01:20:46,908 --> 01:20:48,443 Don Johnson. You know what I mean? 1557 01:20:48,576 --> 01:20:50,377 Like, come on, "Miami Vice." 1558 01:20:50,511 --> 01:20:52,680 De Niro shows up, he's there, and Danny's like, 1559 01:20:52,813 --> 01:20:55,884 "Oh, Robert De Niro's here." He goes like, "How are you, sir?" 1560 01:20:56,016 --> 01:20:58,318 We're between the two trailers and I'm like this and we walked 1561 01:20:58,452 --> 01:21:00,488 and, oh, he goes like, 1562 01:21:00,622 --> 01:21:05,460 "You, hey, you. Huh. You." 1563 01:21:05,592 --> 01:21:07,528 "Number one on the call sheet." 1564 01:21:07,662 --> 01:21:11,499 That means you're lead, "You're number one, huh, you." 1565 01:21:11,632 --> 01:21:13,967 And all I could think of saying was, 1566 01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:17,438 "Can I get you some coffee, Mr. De Niro?" 1567 01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:19,873 How can you say you're the lead with Robert De Niro 1568 01:21:20,007 --> 01:21:22,077 in the movie? You know what I mean? It's like, he's the man. 1569 01:21:24,045 --> 01:21:25,746 At the time it was a, it was a big deal. 1570 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,884 - It was a big deal for Danny. - He was a fuckin' doll. 1571 01:21:29,016 --> 01:21:31,952 The coolest dude, the, the sweetest man. 1572 01:21:32,086 --> 01:21:35,623 It's that kid spirit that keeps him like, rawr. 1573 01:21:35,756 --> 01:21:37,958 I kill Steven Seagal. 1574 01:21:38,091 --> 01:21:40,127 I was the first one to ever kill him. 1575 01:21:43,363 --> 01:21:45,132 The first ten minutes of "Machete," 1576 01:21:45,265 --> 01:21:47,768 I've never laughed so hard and wanted to throw up 1577 01:21:47,902 --> 01:21:48,869 at the same time. 1578 01:21:56,543 --> 01:21:57,878 It was an exploitation film, 1579 01:21:58,012 --> 01:22:00,381 so it needed to be really over the top. 1580 01:22:00,515 --> 01:22:02,083 I mean, the ideas had to be really crazy, 1581 01:22:02,216 --> 01:22:03,884 everything, all the kills had to be really crazy. 1582 01:22:06,220 --> 01:22:08,956 Uh, he's in the hospital and he needs to go down a floor 1583 01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:11,559 and he just heard a doctor say that the human intestine 1584 01:22:11,692 --> 01:22:13,560 is 60 feet long. 1585 01:22:13,694 --> 01:22:14,996 He's gonna cut the guy open, 1586 01:22:15,128 --> 01:22:17,298 use his intestine to repel down. 1587 01:22:21,903 --> 01:22:23,604 And the most famous line he has, 1588 01:22:23,738 --> 01:22:25,573 I think Stephen King called it the line of the year 1589 01:22:25,706 --> 01:22:27,541 that year in "Entertainment Weekly" 1590 01:22:27,675 --> 01:22:29,109 came from Danny, 'cause Danny calls me 1591 01:22:29,243 --> 01:22:30,945 all the time, he's always calling me. 1592 01:22:31,078 --> 01:22:33,413 I say, "Danny, you call me all the time. Just text me." 1593 01:22:33,546 --> 01:22:34,781 "It's easier 'cause then I can look at the text 1594 01:22:34,914 --> 01:22:35,983 and I can just answer back." 1595 01:22:36,117 --> 01:22:38,319 He said, "Machete don't text." 1596 01:22:38,452 --> 01:22:40,387 And I said, "Oh, shit, I'm gonna put that in the movie." 1597 01:22:42,289 --> 01:22:43,958 You could have at least texted me! 1598 01:22:45,926 --> 01:22:47,929 Machete don't text. 1599 01:22:50,564 --> 01:22:52,232 It was great to take somebody who's 1600 01:22:52,365 --> 01:22:54,935 a character actor, who's worked in that many movies 1601 01:22:55,069 --> 01:22:58,739 and give a role that he defined. 1602 01:22:58,872 --> 01:23:01,775 It changed the paradigm of who could be a leading man, 1603 01:23:01,908 --> 01:23:04,577 who can be the... the star of this movie. 1604 01:23:04,712 --> 01:23:06,947 Who at the time was 69, 1605 01:23:07,081 --> 01:23:09,115 69-year-old badass. 1606 01:23:09,250 --> 01:23:12,319 Can't make this stuff up, it's weirder than the movies. 1607 01:23:14,288 --> 01:23:16,490 That would never have happened in Hollywood before. 1608 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,796 "Machete" represented freedom 1609 01:23:21,929 --> 01:23:23,530 for Danny, 1610 01:23:23,663 --> 01:23:26,634 liberation from... 1611 01:23:26,766 --> 01:23:30,037 the old stereotype of the prisoner. 1612 01:23:31,605 --> 01:23:34,974 You're done with that. You're a hero now. 1613 01:23:35,109 --> 01:23:37,412 You're gonna be Machete. 1614 01:23:42,115 --> 01:23:44,518 He made it to that last step... 1615 01:23:44,652 --> 01:23:47,654 Everybody from here to Mexico 1616 01:23:47,788 --> 01:23:49,556 knows who Machete is. 1617 01:23:49,689 --> 01:23:51,525 I had no idea, I never did 1618 01:23:51,658 --> 01:23:54,362 until, until people started passing my house, 1619 01:23:54,494 --> 01:23:56,497 screaming, "Machete!" 1620 01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:57,998 And now it's like everywhere I go, 1621 01:23:58,131 --> 01:23:59,900 it's Machete still. 1622 01:24:00,033 --> 01:24:02,168 Former President Barack Obama sees Danny, 1623 01:24:02,302 --> 01:24:03,871 "Machete!" 1624 01:24:04,003 --> 01:24:05,573 Hey, what's up? 1625 01:24:05,706 --> 01:24:08,275 Uncle Machete says do good in school! 1626 01:24:10,377 --> 01:24:13,213 He's got a machete in his pool. 1627 01:24:13,346 --> 01:24:17,117 This Mexican became a big actor all of a sudden. 1628 01:24:17,251 --> 01:24:18,586 He was so in the zeitgeist, 1629 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,554 there was even like a Snickers commercial. 1630 01:24:20,688 --> 01:24:23,324 Shut up! I've got to teach Peter a lesson. 1631 01:24:23,457 --> 01:24:25,525 - Marsha, eat a Snickers. - Why? 1632 01:24:25,658 --> 01:24:29,162 You get a little hostile when you're hungry. Better? 1633 01:24:29,296 --> 01:24:30,363 Better. 1634 01:24:30,497 --> 01:24:33,000 He's become this brand. 1635 01:24:33,134 --> 01:24:35,769 Trejo's Tacos. Unbelievable, La Brea, n... near Olympic... 1636 01:24:35,903 --> 01:24:38,005 Yeah, they're really, really healthy. 1637 01:24:38,139 --> 01:24:40,775 Action figures to memes, 1638 01:24:40,908 --> 01:24:44,078 to people getting the Machete face 1639 01:24:44,211 --> 01:24:47,615 with the thing out and tattooed on their backs. 1640 01:24:47,747 --> 01:24:51,085 This guy comes up and said, "Will you sign my back?" 1641 01:24:51,219 --> 01:24:52,587 And I say, "What?" And he says, "Yeah." 1642 01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,521 And he turns around and he has this, 1643 01:24:54,654 --> 01:24:56,724 the big picture of Machete. 1644 01:24:56,858 --> 01:24:59,627 I signed his back, and he, you know, tattooed my name, 1645 01:24:59,761 --> 01:25:02,262 and I told him, "We're still not taking a shower together, 1646 01:25:02,395 --> 01:25:04,798 I don't care." 1647 01:25:07,167 --> 01:25:08,568 "Don't try to snuggle." 1648 01:25:08,702 --> 01:25:13,207 It's insane the amount of films that he does. 1649 01:25:13,341 --> 01:25:15,410 He might do two or three films a month. 1650 01:25:17,912 --> 01:25:19,480 I'll crush you 1651 01:25:19,613 --> 01:25:23,617 like the rest of you! 1652 01:25:23,751 --> 01:25:25,152 Once in a while I have a script there, 1653 01:25:25,286 --> 01:25:26,654 and I go, "What's the name of this movie?" 1654 01:25:26,787 --> 01:25:30,191 He goes, "I don't know, I just know my part." 1655 01:25:30,324 --> 01:25:31,824 Just tell us where we are and what we're doing. 1656 01:25:31,958 --> 01:25:35,028 - Okay. Uh, Mikey, where are we? - Outlaw Studios. 1657 01:25:35,162 --> 01:25:37,365 We're at, right now we're at Outlaw Studios 1658 01:25:37,497 --> 01:25:39,634 and we're getting to do, getting ready to do 1659 01:25:39,766 --> 01:25:42,769 a cartoon called "Country Club." 1660 01:25:42,904 --> 01:25:45,172 "Hey, Robert, I'm in, I'm in Dallas, Texas, 1661 01:25:45,305 --> 01:25:47,307 filming a movie with Mickey Rourke." 1662 01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:49,510 "Oh, that's great man. What's it called?" 1663 01:25:51,078 --> 01:25:52,646 "Man, I work!" 1664 01:25:52,779 --> 01:25:53,847 He didn't know what it was called, 1665 01:25:53,980 --> 01:25:55,148 he doesn't know where he is. 1666 01:25:55,283 --> 01:25:58,152 2002, you appeared in nine films. 1667 01:25:58,286 --> 01:25:59,887 True or false. 1668 01:26:00,020 --> 01:26:01,688 Oh, false. 1669 01:26:01,823 --> 01:26:04,792 I think I ap... appeared in 11. 1670 01:26:04,926 --> 01:26:07,862 IMDB has me at 360 or something. 1671 01:26:07,996 --> 01:26:10,698 I have no idea, I don't count. 1672 01:26:10,831 --> 01:26:13,234 No shit! Fucker. 1673 01:26:15,336 --> 01:26:18,905 But a lot of those are porno movies, right, you know? 1674 01:26:19,038 --> 01:26:22,041 Eddie's widow texted us recently, 1675 01:26:22,176 --> 01:26:24,878 and she texted us that my dad had reached 1676 01:26:25,011 --> 01:26:26,713 over 300 movies, 1677 01:26:26,846 --> 01:26:29,182 and that John Wayne had only done, 1678 01:26:29,317 --> 01:26:31,051 I think, it was like 200? 1679 01:26:31,185 --> 01:26:33,821 She was like, so, you know, 1680 01:26:33,953 --> 01:26:35,822 it's time to stop saluting John Wayne. 1681 01:26:37,457 --> 01:26:39,125 De Niro told him, 1682 01:26:39,260 --> 01:26:43,364 "Take everything they offer you because they forget quick." 1683 01:26:43,497 --> 01:26:46,234 "I'm on the cover of 'Prison Life!'" 1684 01:26:46,367 --> 01:26:48,002 I don't know if that was a joke or not or if there 1685 01:26:48,135 --> 01:26:49,869 really is something called "Prison Life." 1686 01:26:50,003 --> 01:26:52,338 "Robert, I'm on the cover of 'Prison Life!'" 1687 01:26:52,472 --> 01:26:54,341 It was like he made it. 1688 01:26:54,475 --> 01:26:56,077 I have to look up and see if there really is a "Prison Life" 1689 01:26:56,210 --> 01:26:58,811 or if that was a joke, sometimes I can't tell. 1690 01:27:14,395 --> 01:27:16,931 When Danny's mom died... 1691 01:27:17,064 --> 01:27:20,201 I get a call, it was his agent Gloria. 1692 01:27:20,333 --> 01:27:22,502 She calls me, she goes, "Craig, I have some bad news." 1693 01:27:23,671 --> 01:27:26,173 "Danny's mom passed away." 1694 01:27:26,306 --> 01:27:27,841 I say, "Danny, I have to tell you something." He goes "What?" 1695 01:27:27,975 --> 01:27:30,912 I said, "Your mom passed away." 1696 01:27:31,045 --> 01:27:33,113 I could actually feel myself shut down, 1697 01:27:33,247 --> 01:27:35,750 boom, boom, boom, just like at all levels. 1698 01:27:37,216 --> 01:27:39,052 He looks at me and he goes, 1699 01:27:39,185 --> 01:27:41,121 "I... is this real? Am I awake?" 1700 01:27:43,090 --> 01:27:46,827 This is somebody who had their mother for 70 years. 1701 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,097 It had a big, big impact on his life. 1702 01:27:50,230 --> 01:27:52,166 I think more so than his father. 1703 01:27:55,368 --> 01:27:57,670 When Alice died, it was really heavy. 1704 01:27:57,805 --> 01:28:01,742 He was in London doing the Muppet movie. 1705 01:28:01,876 --> 01:28:03,476 He was standing pretty strong. 1706 01:28:03,610 --> 01:28:05,479 He had convinced himself that he was gonna 1707 01:28:05,613 --> 01:28:07,314 push himself through this. 1708 01:28:07,447 --> 01:28:08,615 I was just fine 1709 01:28:08,748 --> 01:28:12,853 until that little... green frog 1710 01:28:12,985 --> 01:28:15,355 came up to me, and I'll never forget it, 1711 01:28:15,489 --> 01:28:17,824 the guy's like this, and he goes, 1712 01:28:17,957 --> 01:28:21,661 "Danny, I'm, I'm really sorry about your mommy." 1713 01:28:21,795 --> 01:28:24,297 I go, "Fuck!" I just baw... 1714 01:28:24,431 --> 01:28:26,833 And I ran to the bathroom. 1715 01:28:26,967 --> 01:28:28,301 My mom had something to do with me 1716 01:28:28,435 --> 01:28:30,270 because when my dad died, nothing, 1717 01:28:30,404 --> 01:28:32,172 I showed nothing 1718 01:28:32,305 --> 01:28:33,740 'cause I had to take care of my mom, 1719 01:28:33,873 --> 01:28:35,141 and I couldn't take care of her 1720 01:28:35,275 --> 01:28:37,177 feeling my dad's death. 1721 01:28:37,310 --> 01:28:38,679 And she says, I'll never forget it, 1722 01:28:38,811 --> 01:28:40,279 "Well, you better not do that when I die." 1723 01:28:40,413 --> 01:28:42,815 I said, "Shut up, mom, you're not gonna die." 1724 01:28:42,949 --> 01:28:45,519 So I think when, when, 1725 01:28:45,653 --> 01:28:47,788 when I, like, locked up, 1726 01:28:47,921 --> 01:28:49,822 I could see her going, "No, no, no, you're not going to, 1727 01:28:49,957 --> 01:28:51,359 I'll send the frog." 1728 01:28:53,226 --> 01:28:55,363 When I flew back, they had... 1729 01:29:00,234 --> 01:29:03,537 they had put together the most beautifulest funeral 1730 01:29:03,671 --> 01:29:06,039 that my mom could have. 1731 01:29:06,172 --> 01:29:08,341 I think he really has seen, 1732 01:29:08,475 --> 01:29:10,677 especially in the last probably eight to ten years, 1733 01:29:10,810 --> 01:29:13,046 the value of life, and the value of his, 1734 01:29:13,180 --> 01:29:15,215 and... and morbidity, and as you get older 1735 01:29:15,349 --> 01:29:17,551 and his friends have passed, and you really see 1736 01:29:17,684 --> 01:29:20,854 how precious life is, and he has. 1737 01:29:20,988 --> 01:29:25,159 A lot of Danny's friends are gone, you know? 1738 01:29:26,627 --> 01:29:27,661 But he has us. 1739 01:29:42,243 --> 01:29:43,844 Tonight you'll be speaking 1740 01:29:43,978 --> 01:29:48,382 to about 500 people of all walks. 1741 01:29:48,515 --> 01:29:50,284 One of the reasons I'm here today 1742 01:29:50,417 --> 01:29:54,689 is that I'm gonna be speaking to a, a lot of, uh, students 1743 01:29:54,822 --> 01:29:58,225 that are going into the, I would say, service, you know, 1744 01:29:58,358 --> 01:30:00,627 like, helping addicts and helping alcoholics, 1745 01:30:00,761 --> 01:30:04,298 and then I'm speaking with at-risk youth tonight. 1746 01:30:04,430 --> 01:30:06,265 I wanna invite anybody and everybody 1747 01:30:06,399 --> 01:30:08,402 that wants to come tonight, tell 'em you know me, 1748 01:30:08,536 --> 01:30:11,404 you can get in. 1749 01:30:11,537 --> 01:30:12,572 Thank you. 1750 01:30:14,440 --> 01:30:16,275 Danny still speaks at prisons and schools 1751 01:30:16,409 --> 01:30:17,911 in whatever city we're at. 1752 01:30:18,045 --> 01:30:21,949 It's very strange. 1753 01:30:22,082 --> 01:30:24,083 He feels like the day he stops doing that 1754 01:30:24,216 --> 01:30:27,587 is when he's, he's dead, he's gone. 1755 01:30:29,023 --> 01:30:30,891 - How you doing? Good. - I'm okay. 1756 01:30:31,024 --> 01:30:32,426 I'm Danny Trejo. 1757 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:36,363 Can I see your program for a second? 1758 01:30:36,497 --> 01:30:39,300 This is the flier I was telling you about. 1759 01:30:39,432 --> 01:30:40,967 - Have you seen it? - Oh, that's me. 1760 01:30:42,936 --> 01:30:45,372 Go straight ahead, we're like 30 seconds away. 1761 01:30:47,573 --> 01:30:48,742 Straight ahead. 1762 01:30:53,847 --> 01:30:55,783 Boy. 1763 01:30:55,916 --> 01:30:57,884 - Hey! - Hi. 1764 01:31:15,969 --> 01:31:18,639 Um, you all know who Danny Trejo is, 1765 01:31:18,771 --> 01:31:20,440 so I'm gonna let him tell you his story now. 1766 01:31:20,573 --> 01:31:21,674 Danny Trejo. 1767 01:31:31,551 --> 01:31:33,987 I sure hope you don't mind, but... 1768 01:31:34,121 --> 01:31:35,588 I fall off of chairs like that. 1769 01:31:40,261 --> 01:31:43,063 My name's Danny Trejo and I'm an addict and an alcoholic. 1770 01:31:43,195 --> 01:31:45,498 Hey, Danny. 1771 01:31:45,631 --> 01:31:47,466 Newcomers to being clean and sober, 1772 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,237 we talk about expecting a miracle, 1773 01:31:50,371 --> 01:31:53,073 and people wait for a miracle. 1774 01:31:53,207 --> 01:31:56,544 If you're an addict, or an alcoholic, 1775 01:31:56,676 --> 01:31:59,345 if you wake up clean and sober, 1776 01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,914 you're already in the miracle, 1777 01:32:02,047 --> 01:32:05,385 and so the miracle starts the minute I wake up. 1778 01:32:11,658 --> 01:32:14,495 Hey, what's up, boys? What's up? How you doing? 1779 01:32:27,474 --> 01:32:29,442 He's been through a lot of shit. 1780 01:32:29,576 --> 01:32:33,680 That's a guy who understands like hell, you know? 1781 01:32:33,814 --> 01:32:35,582 He knows what it looks like, what it smells like, 1782 01:32:35,716 --> 01:32:37,118 what it tastes like. 1783 01:32:42,021 --> 01:32:46,659 They found a ten-centimeter tumor on my liver. 1784 01:32:46,793 --> 01:32:48,828 I don't care who you are, you get cancer, 1785 01:32:48,962 --> 01:32:51,566 start feeling sorry for yourself, you're like, Why me?" 1786 01:32:51,698 --> 01:32:53,833 And then all of a sudden the thought hit me, 1787 01:32:53,966 --> 01:32:57,937 "Man, imagine if I had this in prison." 1788 01:32:58,070 --> 01:33:01,708 "Thank God I didn't get this while I was in prison." 1789 01:33:01,841 --> 01:33:03,577 I beat it, I'm cancer-free. 1790 01:33:06,512 --> 01:33:10,050 Wow, what a journey. What an unbelievable journey. 1791 01:33:28,034 --> 01:33:29,970 That means open the gate. 1792 01:33:31,171 --> 01:33:32,206 Wow. 1793 01:33:34,073 --> 01:33:36,210 What does the psychological effect 1794 01:33:36,342 --> 01:33:39,579 of being in prison, how does it affect you later in life? 1795 01:33:39,712 --> 01:33:40,947 We're gonna get you through the scanner. 1796 01:33:41,081 --> 01:33:42,716 - I'm Danny Trejo. - Any metal. 1797 01:33:42,849 --> 01:33:44,985 Uh, watch, belts. 1798 01:33:45,118 --> 01:33:46,319 In your head you're brought right back 1799 01:33:46,453 --> 01:33:47,922 to everything you went through. 1800 01:33:49,756 --> 01:33:51,692 No one in their right mind wants to do that. 1801 01:33:54,427 --> 01:33:56,029 No one. 1802 01:33:56,162 --> 01:33:59,099 I don't, I wouldn't want to, but Danny does it. 1803 01:34:00,935 --> 01:34:03,704 - Alright, sir, thank you. - Thank you. 1804 01:34:03,837 --> 01:34:07,675 This is a hot, hot place. 1805 01:34:10,077 --> 01:34:12,146 Not a lot of weight lifting right now. 1806 01:34:29,695 --> 01:34:31,364 - Thank you, ma'am. - Mm-hmm. 1807 01:34:31,497 --> 01:34:32,465 What's up? What's up? 1808 01:34:32,599 --> 01:34:35,036 - Hey. - Hey, Machete. 1809 01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:38,072 What's up, fellas? 1810 01:34:38,204 --> 01:34:39,239 I think that everybody 1811 01:34:39,372 --> 01:34:41,341 has a turning point in life. 1812 01:34:41,475 --> 01:34:43,210 My name's Danny Trejo. 1813 01:34:43,344 --> 01:34:47,114 A marker that says either I'm gonna grow 1814 01:34:47,247 --> 01:34:50,183 or I'm gonna stay this way forever. 1815 01:34:50,317 --> 01:34:51,851 I love to catch them movie stars 1816 01:34:51,985 --> 01:34:53,487 coming out of their trailer like this. 1817 01:34:56,189 --> 01:34:58,158 "Hey, did you do coke?" 1818 01:34:58,291 --> 01:35:00,226 "Oh, fuck! Fuck you!" 1819 01:35:02,529 --> 01:35:04,531 Oh, hey, hey! 1820 01:35:04,664 --> 01:35:07,132 Hey, how good, how good is it? 1821 01:35:07,266 --> 01:35:09,202 Really? Hey, come on, man! 1822 01:35:09,336 --> 01:35:11,972 Oh, fuck 'em. You know what I mean? Don't do drugs around me. 1823 01:35:12,105 --> 01:35:14,041 'Cause they don't have the problem. 1824 01:35:14,175 --> 01:35:17,978 Me, I use drugs, alcohol, I break out penitentiaries. 1825 01:35:18,110 --> 01:35:20,014 Them fuckers go home. 1826 01:35:20,146 --> 01:35:23,015 Everything good that's happened to me has happened 1827 01:35:23,149 --> 01:35:25,417 as a direct result of helping someone else. 1828 01:35:25,551 --> 01:35:27,720 Remember that. Everything. 1829 01:35:27,854 --> 01:35:30,423 The little guys in whatever neighborhood you're from 1830 01:35:30,556 --> 01:35:32,059 are looking up at you 1831 01:35:32,192 --> 01:35:34,862 because their picture of the penitentiary 1832 01:35:34,994 --> 01:35:36,229 is not the real deal. 1833 01:35:36,363 --> 01:35:38,065 These guys are in juvenile hall saying, 1834 01:35:38,198 --> 01:35:39,733 "Gee, when I get to the band home, 1835 01:35:39,865 --> 01:35:41,368 "I'll be running shit, yeah, 1836 01:35:41,501 --> 01:35:43,237 like my Uncle Choo Choo, I'll be running shit." 1837 01:35:43,369 --> 01:35:45,238 You know, and with you guys, no, no, no, 1838 01:35:45,372 --> 01:35:48,609 you gotta shower with 50 fuckers, do you understand? 1839 01:35:48,742 --> 01:35:50,543 Try not to brush up against anybody. 1840 01:35:50,676 --> 01:35:53,813 And then you gotta shower trying not to look. 1841 01:35:54,581 --> 01:35:55,649 If you don't... 1842 01:35:57,685 --> 01:36:00,720 you tarnish that image of where you've been. 1843 01:36:03,890 --> 01:36:06,660 One day, that's all I got, all I got is one day. 1844 01:36:06,792 --> 01:36:08,962 Do you understand? Now how do I wanna live today? 1845 01:36:09,095 --> 01:36:11,230 That's it. Just what do I wanna do today? 1846 01:36:11,364 --> 01:36:13,099 Man, if, if you're doing time going, 1847 01:36:13,233 --> 01:36:15,601 "Fuck, I got five years, fuck, I got.." 1848 01:36:15,735 --> 01:36:19,939 "Oh, fuck, now I got four years, 366 days, 1849 01:36:20,073 --> 01:36:22,509 364 days, 360, oh, my..." 1850 01:36:22,641 --> 01:36:24,278 You... you're not gonna make it home. 1851 01:36:24,411 --> 01:36:27,279 So I say you gotta take one day at a time, you know? 1852 01:36:27,413 --> 01:36:28,681 Just one day at a time, 1853 01:36:28,814 --> 01:36:32,418 let me see what I can accomplish in one day. 1854 01:36:32,551 --> 01:36:35,354 And life's gonna get better and better and better. 1855 01:36:35,488 --> 01:36:38,192 That's a promise, you stay clean and sober, 1856 01:36:38,324 --> 01:36:41,595 your life will get progressively better. 1857 01:36:41,728 --> 01:36:43,529 I really wanna thank you guys. I mean that. 1858 01:36:43,662 --> 01:36:45,498 This was a pleasure for me and a... 1859 01:36:53,774 --> 01:36:54,909 Thanks, guys. 1860 01:36:59,813 --> 01:37:03,417 I would rather shoot for the moon and miss 1861 01:37:03,550 --> 01:37:06,953 than aim for the gutter and make it. 1862 01:37:07,087 --> 01:37:09,990 A lot of these guys, they shot for the gutter. They made it. 1863 01:37:10,122 --> 01:37:11,791 For me to come out and to say, "Wait a minute, 1864 01:37:11,925 --> 01:37:15,628 there's a better way," people listen. 1865 01:37:15,762 --> 01:37:19,332 Not so much Danny Trejo, but the guy from "Spy Kids," 1866 01:37:19,466 --> 01:37:21,936 the guy from "Heat," the guy from "Desperado." 1867 01:37:22,069 --> 01:37:25,305 If they're Mexican, the guy from "Blood In Blood Out." 1868 01:37:25,438 --> 01:37:29,176 When they hear somebody that's been through it say, 1869 01:37:29,309 --> 01:37:33,313 "Help somebody every day," it sticks to their mind. 1870 01:37:33,447 --> 01:37:37,217 I know that I gave these guys just, just a day, you know, 1871 01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:41,155 they got to do another day, it was just break the monotony. 1872 01:37:41,287 --> 01:37:44,790 If that's all it was for 'em, good, I did my job, you know, 1873 01:37:44,925 --> 01:37:46,527 I mean, I gave 'em a day. 1874 01:38:04,911 --> 01:38:08,349 They're letting us pick up Gilbert Trejo right here. 1875 01:38:08,481 --> 01:38:11,551 They wouldn't let us pick him up at the front gate. 1876 01:38:11,685 --> 01:38:14,387 That's shitty. 1877 01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,358 Thirty-eight years! Damn! 1878 01:38:18,824 --> 01:38:21,761 What were you doing in 1979? 1879 01:38:21,895 --> 01:38:25,766 To be able to stay alive that long in prison? 1880 01:38:25,899 --> 01:38:28,067 That's a miracle. 1881 01:38:33,739 --> 01:38:36,609 ♪ Having broke down ♪ 1882 01:38:38,779 --> 01:38:41,882 ♪ Having left out ♪ 1883 01:38:44,451 --> 01:38:46,487 ♪ Then I looked down ♪ 1884 01:38:50,023 --> 01:38:54,228 ♪ Walk out of here ♪ 1885 01:38:56,829 --> 01:38:59,465 ♪ As I walk out... ♪ 1886 01:38:59,599 --> 01:39:01,634 What up, homie? 1887 01:39:02,868 --> 01:39:04,604 ♪ I walked out ♪ 1888 01:39:07,239 --> 01:39:10,577 ♪ As I walk out... ♪ 1889 01:39:15,548 --> 01:39:17,250 - How you doing? - How you doing? I'm Mario. 1890 01:39:17,382 --> 01:39:18,484 Alright, Mario. 1891 01:39:21,020 --> 01:39:22,255 I told 'em, "You know what, fuck that, 1892 01:39:22,389 --> 01:39:23,457 I'm leaving everything." 1893 01:39:27,292 --> 01:39:28,394 Thank you. 1894 01:39:28,528 --> 01:39:30,396 ♪ I looked out ♪ 1895 01:39:33,099 --> 01:39:34,802 - How's that? - It's perfect. 1896 01:39:47,881 --> 01:39:49,650 I still owe a lot, you know, and, 1897 01:39:49,783 --> 01:39:52,118 and I don't think I'll ever be paid up, 1898 01:39:52,252 --> 01:39:55,255 but it sure is fun getting there. 1899 01:39:55,389 --> 01:39:57,390 He still lives in Pacoima. 1900 01:39:57,524 --> 01:40:00,661 He didn't move out, he didn't go somewhere else. 1901 01:40:00,793 --> 01:40:02,662 He came back here. 1902 01:40:02,796 --> 01:40:05,231 He still supports the neighborhood, 1903 01:40:05,364 --> 01:40:06,865 the mechanics in the neighborhood, 1904 01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:08,569 the stores in the neighborhood. 1905 01:40:08,702 --> 01:40:11,637 This is basically every Latin's dream. 1906 01:40:11,770 --> 01:40:14,307 - Oh, get down, get down. - Oh, yeah. Really. 1907 01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:18,978 To have a '64 Chevy in Pacoima is like the dream come true. 1908 01:40:19,112 --> 01:40:21,014 Christmas, he goes downtown, 1909 01:40:21,146 --> 01:40:23,850 he buys a bunch of toys and he literally drives around 1910 01:40:23,984 --> 01:40:27,654 stopping people on the street and giving them toys. 1911 01:40:27,787 --> 01:40:29,588 Right now in the trunk of his car 1912 01:40:29,722 --> 01:40:32,091 there's stacks of thermal underwear 1913 01:40:32,225 --> 01:40:33,659 and socks and you can, sometimes you're like, 1914 01:40:33,792 --> 01:40:35,360 "Ah, I can't even fit my stuff in there." 1915 01:40:35,494 --> 01:40:37,197 Whether it's dogs being neutered... 1916 01:40:37,331 --> 01:40:39,666 I've been locked up about three months. 1917 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:43,168 That's 15 days human time. 1918 01:40:43,302 --> 01:40:46,104 Or teenagers, he'll show up. 1919 01:40:46,238 --> 01:40:48,875 ...is that you're not listening to them, they'll come up... 1920 01:40:51,645 --> 01:40:53,680 What does the community of Pacoima mean to you? 1921 01:40:53,813 --> 01:40:57,283 Everything, everything, like family... Hi, Benz! 1922 01:40:57,417 --> 01:40:59,286 That's Chubby's wife, she's awesome. 1923 01:41:01,054 --> 01:41:03,257 Wow, nobody was grateful to have Danny around, 1924 01:41:03,390 --> 01:41:05,057 nobody was happy to have Danny around at one time, 1925 01:41:05,192 --> 01:41:06,859 and now they're thrilled. 1926 01:41:06,993 --> 01:41:08,262 I remember a time that they wouldn't let me 1927 01:41:08,395 --> 01:41:10,096 in their house, you know, and the cops, 1928 01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:13,032 they'd stop me all the time and up against the wall, 1929 01:41:13,167 --> 01:41:15,068 "We know you got something, search the car..." 1930 01:41:15,201 --> 01:41:17,869 And nine times out of ten, I did. You know what I mean? 1931 01:41:18,003 --> 01:41:20,573 And usually they'd stop me with guns drawn. 1932 01:41:20,707 --> 01:41:23,276 Now it's like a completely different thing, it's like, 1933 01:41:23,409 --> 01:41:27,780 you know, some of them are like actually friends of mine. 1934 01:41:27,914 --> 01:41:30,884 They started work on this giant mural of him 1935 01:41:31,016 --> 01:41:33,753 right here, right up the street. 1936 01:41:33,886 --> 01:41:35,221 And I go, "You see, homie, 1937 01:41:35,354 --> 01:41:37,523 in Hollywood they give you stars." 1938 01:41:37,657 --> 01:41:39,693 "In Pacoima they give you murals, man." 1939 01:41:39,826 --> 01:41:41,694 And he was like, "Yay!" You know what I mean? 1940 01:41:41,828 --> 01:41:43,797 I think he probably tagged that wall at one time, 1941 01:41:43,930 --> 01:41:46,533 and they covered it with his mural. 1942 01:41:46,666 --> 01:41:49,069 The town that he terrorized in his youth 1943 01:41:49,202 --> 01:41:51,938 now has a mural of him because of all the good that he did 1944 01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:54,707 that outweighed everything. 1945 01:41:54,841 --> 01:41:56,910 We're talking about the guy who's mom 1946 01:41:57,042 --> 01:42:01,881 didn't unlock the screen door when he, when he got out. 1947 01:42:02,015 --> 01:42:04,584 I don't think he ever, he ever thought 1948 01:42:04,717 --> 01:42:07,253 that he'd have something like that. Not here. 1949 01:42:20,900 --> 01:42:23,604 Even though he comes from that lifestyle, 1950 01:42:23,737 --> 01:42:26,005 he went all the way around the block, 1951 01:42:26,139 --> 01:42:30,643 and this is him now and this is who he represents. 1952 01:42:30,777 --> 01:42:33,313 So that mural on the wall don't only represent him, 1953 01:42:33,445 --> 01:42:35,983 it represents a lot of Latinos, 1954 01:42:36,115 --> 01:42:40,019 a lot of people that changed their lives. 1955 01:42:40,153 --> 01:42:41,989 It's hope, it's the idea 1956 01:42:42,122 --> 01:42:45,324 that I don't have to be a product 1957 01:42:45,457 --> 01:42:47,728 of everything that I am at the moment. 1958 01:42:49,194 --> 01:42:50,730 I can evolve. 1959 01:42:51,863 --> 01:42:54,132 I can change. 1960 01:42:54,266 --> 01:42:58,572 I can dream now, and it's okay. 1961 01:42:58,704 --> 01:43:02,007 And that's what anybody who makes it out of the ghetto 1962 01:43:02,140 --> 01:43:05,210 into the spotlight of public life 1963 01:43:05,345 --> 01:43:07,948 is doing for their people. 1964 01:43:08,081 --> 01:43:11,150 And now I think he knows who he is completely. 1965 01:43:13,286 --> 01:43:15,655 Pound that. Boom. 1966 01:43:17,623 --> 01:43:20,025 Wow, I love it, I love seeing families, man. 1967 01:43:20,158 --> 01:43:21,560 Yeah? 1968 01:43:21,694 --> 01:43:22,661 See what we were talking about 1969 01:43:22,796 --> 01:43:24,664 about parents having time? 1970 01:43:24,797 --> 01:43:26,832 There, those parents are making time, 1971 01:43:26,966 --> 01:43:28,467 and that's what's the most important thing 1972 01:43:28,601 --> 01:43:31,704 in the kid's lives is their time. 1973 01:43:31,837 --> 01:43:33,840 I'm not supposed to be living this life of mine 1974 01:43:33,972 --> 01:43:35,975 and neither is he. 1975 01:43:36,109 --> 01:43:40,347 If we don't take this to pass it on to somebody else 1976 01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:44,717 so they can pass it on to somebody else... 1977 01:43:44,850 --> 01:43:45,885 what good is it? 1978 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:48,920 How easy would it have been 1979 01:43:49,055 --> 01:43:52,091 to just completely write off that guy 1980 01:43:52,225 --> 01:43:55,028 who hit a rock over a guard's head 1981 01:43:55,161 --> 01:43:57,563 in 1968? 1982 01:43:59,698 --> 01:44:03,769 Addicted to heroin since he was 12. 1983 01:44:03,904 --> 01:44:07,741 More robberies under his belt than stories we could tell. 1984 01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:12,445 How easy would it have been to write that guy off? 1985 01:44:14,247 --> 01:44:17,417 That's what Danny represents. 1986 01:44:17,550 --> 01:44:22,154 He represents what happens if you let your heart open 1987 01:44:22,287 --> 01:44:24,956 and decide to let love conquer hate. 1988 01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:31,898 It's that chess piece that starts off as a pawn 1989 01:44:32,032 --> 01:44:33,900 and makes it all the way to the other side 1990 01:44:34,033 --> 01:44:36,168 of the chess board, and now you get to choose 1991 01:44:36,301 --> 01:44:39,471 between all of these parts that you wanna be. 1992 01:44:39,604 --> 01:44:41,607 My grandfather, Dionisio Trejo, 1993 01:44:41,740 --> 01:44:44,744 right now is saying "He finally made it." 1994 01:44:44,877 --> 01:44:48,948 He's my idol, you know? I mean, I look up to him. 1995 01:44:49,082 --> 01:44:51,184 I want to be like him when I grow up. 1996 01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:55,588 People will make their judgments 1997 01:44:55,721 --> 01:45:00,292 about famous people however they want. 1998 01:45:00,426 --> 01:45:03,830 My dad is someone I'm proud to call my dad. 1999 01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,235 You're either gonna stay, come what may, 2000 01:45:10,368 --> 01:45:13,839 and have a better life, or die, go insane, go to jail. 2001 01:45:13,972 --> 01:45:15,175 It's that simple. 2002 01:45:16,475 --> 01:45:17,909 Today I choose a better life, 2003 01:45:18,043 --> 01:45:19,813 and my life is a dream. 2004 01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:22,648 Well...