1 00:00:01,669 --> 00:00:03,627 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:07,824 --> 00:00:10,825 - All those years, 3 00:00:10,919 --> 00:00:15,330 Nobody ever tried to figure out 4 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:17,474 What happened to my sister, lori. 5 00:00:20,095 --> 00:00:23,022 Her death was not ruled as a homicide. 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,317 It was ruled as undetermined natural causes. 7 00:00:29,255 --> 00:00:32,680 A 15 year old girl is gonna walk about 10 miles, 8 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:35,259 Take all her clothes off in the woods 9 00:00:35,352 --> 00:00:39,112 And then walk another five miles naked, 10 00:00:39,206 --> 00:00:41,040 And lay down in a ditch, 11 00:00:41,191 --> 00:00:42,666 And pull foliage over her. 12 00:00:45,604 --> 00:00:47,120 I never thought it would be solved, 13 00:00:47,273 --> 00:00:50,290 But don't ever give up, 14 00:00:50,442 --> 00:00:52,176 Somebody somewhere knows something. 15 00:00:53,962 --> 00:00:59,541 Now 45 years later, I want to make sure families know 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,709 There is hope. 17 00:01:01,729 --> 00:01:04,563 (dramatic music) 18 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,876 (wind blowing) 19 00:01:28,647 --> 00:01:29,404 Good boy. 20 00:01:29,498 --> 00:01:33,258 Oh, what a good dog you are. 21 00:01:33,485 --> 00:01:35,819 He has the most beautiful blue eyes. 22 00:01:35,912 --> 00:01:38,263 I probably should have named him, paul, 23 00:01:38,490 --> 00:01:41,767 After paul newman or frank, after frank sinatra. 24 00:01:43,662 --> 00:01:49,349 He has been licensed as an emotional therapy dog. 25 00:01:49,501 --> 00:01:56,240 He helps me when I talk about my sister. 26 00:01:57,952 --> 00:02:02,346 He will put one paw here and one paw here 27 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:04,348 And let me just cry on his shoulder. 28 00:02:04,366 --> 00:02:07,442 (ambient music) 29 00:02:07,461 --> 00:02:12,022 I've told this story so many times, 30 00:02:12,115 --> 00:02:14,967 It never seems to get easier. 31 00:02:15,194 --> 00:02:18,137 (gentle piano music) 32 00:02:21,625 --> 00:02:23,976 (eerie music) 33 00:02:27,723 --> 00:02:29,982 (school bell rings) 34 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:35,712 I was in eighth grade at east moore junior high school, 35 00:02:35,731 --> 00:02:39,232 And lori was a sophomore. 36 00:02:39,326 --> 00:02:41,285 I was 13, she was 15. 37 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:44,237 I'm the bratty, little sister. 38 00:02:44,390 --> 00:02:46,740 (calm music) 39 00:02:46,834 --> 00:02:48,558 It was a Friday night. 40 00:02:48,652 --> 00:02:50,502 Everybody went to the football game. 41 00:02:53,916 --> 00:02:56,750 Lori went to a couple people's parties 42 00:02:56,844 --> 00:02:58,010 After the football game. 43 00:02:59,755 --> 00:03:02,639 She was supposed to spend the night with one of her friends. 44 00:03:03,909 --> 00:03:04,999 - [bill] by 11, the next morning, 45 00:03:05,093 --> 00:03:07,168 Lori still hasn't come home. 46 00:03:07,188 --> 00:03:10,580 (eerie dramatic music) 47 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:13,841 - Lori nesson's mother started to make some phone calls 48 00:03:13,861 --> 00:03:17,421 To friends to see if anybody had seen lori 49 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:20,090 Or if she had spent the night somewhere. 50 00:03:20,108 --> 00:03:21,274 - They said no. 51 00:03:21,368 --> 00:03:23,685 The last that they had heard is, 52 00:03:23,779 --> 00:03:25,329 Lori was just gonna go home. 53 00:03:26,373 --> 00:03:27,706 She's gonna walk home. 54 00:03:27,933 --> 00:03:30,267 It was 1974. 55 00:03:30,285 --> 00:03:31,210 We walked places. 56 00:03:33,363 --> 00:03:36,698 - And then she contacted the columbus police department 57 00:03:36,717 --> 00:03:38,842 To file a missing person's report. 58 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:43,947 - My mother was scared to death, 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,560 But she would not portray that to me 60 00:03:48,787 --> 00:03:52,022 Because she did not want to scare me. 61 00:03:54,235 --> 00:03:55,234 (dramatic music) 62 00:03:55,461 --> 00:03:57,794 - [bill] toni and lori's mother, joyce, 63 00:03:57,887 --> 00:04:00,030 Is raising her two girls on her own. 64 00:04:01,742 --> 00:04:03,800 - My parents divorced. 65 00:04:03,819 --> 00:04:06,060 I'm not sure what year. 66 00:04:06,154 --> 00:04:07,654 I was really little. 67 00:04:07,748 --> 00:04:09,373 I wanna say, maybe five. 68 00:04:12,419 --> 00:04:14,644 - [bill] lori didn't let her parents' divorce 69 00:04:14,663 --> 00:04:16,421 Stand in her way. 70 00:04:16,648 --> 00:04:19,424 She was focused and determined from a young age. 71 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:24,888 - She was a kid, but she was so ahead of her time. 72 00:04:26,750 --> 00:04:32,846 She was a volunteer on mcgovern's campaign in 1972. 73 00:04:32,998 --> 00:04:35,607 - I just wanna warn the american people 74 00:04:35,834 --> 00:04:39,236 Just as clearly as I can, don't buy this nixon lie. 75 00:04:40,430 --> 00:04:41,905 - So she would've been 12. 76 00:04:44,009 --> 00:04:47,119 I mean, wrap your head around that, 77 00:04:47,346 --> 00:04:51,623 12 years old and is 78 00:04:51,850 --> 00:04:53,441 Volunteering 79 00:04:53,460 --> 00:04:56,086 To work on a presidential campaign. 80 00:04:57,798 --> 00:05:02,375 She was off-the-charts smart, and she was extremely active 81 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:04,469 In israeli rights. 82 00:05:04,696 --> 00:05:06,263 My family is jewish. 83 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:11,793 She was so deep, and so sensitive, 84 00:05:11,887 --> 00:05:16,297 And so wanted to be a voice 85 00:05:16,391 --> 00:05:20,152 For anybody that didn't have one. 86 00:05:20,379 --> 00:05:23,396 (gentle piano music) 87 00:05:23,549 --> 00:05:25,615 Lori would never disappear. 88 00:05:28,311 --> 00:05:30,387 She might come home a little late, 89 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,499 But never ever would she disappear. 90 00:05:34,726 --> 00:05:37,627 (gentle piano music) 91 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,087 - [bill] lori had been missing for just a few hours 92 00:05:47,239 --> 00:05:51,641 When a call comes into a police department in a nearby town. 93 00:05:53,579 --> 00:05:56,146 - A husband and wife were hunting for hedge apples, 94 00:05:57,416 --> 00:05:59,816 And they see deceased, a young female 95 00:06:02,846 --> 00:06:04,178 Laying in a ditch. 96 00:06:04,198 --> 00:06:07,090 (dramatic music) 97 00:06:07,183 --> 00:06:09,759 - Detectives responded and they document 98 00:06:09,778 --> 00:06:13,205 That it's a white female in her late teens. 99 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,616 - She had no clothes on. 100 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:19,711 She did have what appeared to be some bruising 101 00:06:19,863 --> 00:06:21,338 On her left arm. 102 00:06:24,033 --> 00:06:26,218 It was not obvious to them 103 00:06:26,445 --> 00:06:28,470 What had caused the death of this young woman. 104 00:06:30,949 --> 00:06:32,949 - They don't see any telltale sign, 105 00:06:33,042 --> 00:06:35,969 Like a rope around the neck, or a gunshot wound, 106 00:06:36,063 --> 00:06:36,853 Or anything like that. 107 00:06:38,548 --> 00:06:40,715 And then they examined the bottom of her feet, 108 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:43,360 Which appeared to be for the most part clean. 109 00:06:45,130 --> 00:06:47,054 - It led the investigators after the fact to believe that 110 00:06:47,074 --> 00:06:49,299 Whatever happened to the young woman 111 00:06:49,317 --> 00:06:50,409 Happened somewhere else 112 00:06:50,636 --> 00:06:53,637 And then she was left there on rose hill road. 113 00:06:53,655 --> 00:06:56,248 (ambient music) 114 00:06:58,419 --> 00:07:01,211 (clock ticking) 115 00:07:03,498 --> 00:07:05,424 - [bill] the coroner takes the jane doe's body 116 00:07:05,575 --> 00:07:07,150 To the morgue. 117 00:07:07,169 --> 00:07:09,886 The story hits the local news that night. 118 00:07:12,507 --> 00:07:15,434 (gentle piano music) 119 00:07:20,924 --> 00:07:24,776 - A friend of lori's called the police department 120 00:07:25,003 --> 00:07:27,762 And notified them that a friend of his 121 00:07:27,781 --> 00:07:30,840 Matched the description of the young woman 122 00:07:30,934 --> 00:07:33,118 That was found in reynoldsburg deceased. 123 00:07:36,531 --> 00:07:39,349 - [bill] police ask joyce nesson to come to the morgue 124 00:07:39,442 --> 00:07:41,293 To identify her daughter's body. 125 00:07:44,614 --> 00:07:47,299 - She said, I need to talk to you about lori. 126 00:07:48,860 --> 00:07:52,554 And I looked at her and I said, "oh, well, what about her?" 127 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:57,267 And she said, "she's not coming home. 128 00:07:58,812 --> 00:08:01,313 She's, she's gone, she died." 129 00:08:01,464 --> 00:08:03,982 (somber music) 130 00:08:06,211 --> 00:08:07,235 I didn't understand. 131 00:08:08,730 --> 00:08:11,156 One minute she was there the next minute she was gone. 132 00:08:13,051 --> 00:08:15,994 (gentle piano music) 133 00:08:18,573 --> 00:08:22,058 (ominous music) 134 00:08:22,077 --> 00:08:24,503 - The autopsy was conducted the next day. 135 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:29,399 It was determined that she did have 136 00:08:29,417 --> 00:08:31,234 Some kind of sexual relation with somebody, 137 00:08:31,253 --> 00:08:34,404 But it was not ruled that she was raped. 138 00:08:34,422 --> 00:08:36,681 (ominous music) 139 00:08:38,577 --> 00:08:41,353 And the manner of death was not ruled homicide. 140 00:08:43,081 --> 00:08:45,857 They just weren't able to determine what that reason was. 141 00:08:47,602 --> 00:08:49,769 - It's possible that she had a drug overdose 142 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:52,772 Or she died of some other cause, 143 00:08:52,924 --> 00:08:57,035 And was taken there by someone who panicked and dumped them. 144 00:08:57,262 --> 00:09:00,430 The toxicology report is still pending 145 00:09:00,448 --> 00:09:03,116 And so they continue to investigate this 146 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:04,668 As a suspicious death. 147 00:09:06,213 --> 00:09:07,937 So the investigators, 148 00:09:08,031 --> 00:09:10,940 They do just a number of different interviews 149 00:09:11,034 --> 00:09:13,367 With fellow friends, students, parents, 150 00:09:13,387 --> 00:09:16,388 Just about anybody who had contact with her 151 00:09:16,615 --> 00:09:19,057 Through the football game or any of these after parties. 152 00:09:21,210 --> 00:09:24,304 - Lori was last seen by a friend leaving the party 153 00:09:24,456 --> 00:09:27,290 At about 10 after midnight. 154 00:09:27,309 --> 00:09:30,960 And then again, within a few minutes after that 155 00:09:31,054 --> 00:09:33,963 Two more friends that happened to be driving by 156 00:09:33,982 --> 00:09:35,490 Saw lori walking. 157 00:09:37,894 --> 00:09:40,320 - [bill] lori lives just a few minutes walk away 158 00:09:40,414 --> 00:09:41,913 From the party she'd gone to. 159 00:09:43,584 --> 00:09:47,327 Lori's body was found miles away from her home. 160 00:09:47,421 --> 00:09:51,314 Investigators believe she'd accepted a ride from someone. 161 00:09:51,333 --> 00:09:53,741 (ominous music) 162 00:09:53,835 --> 00:09:55,760 - Everybody was very adamant 163 00:09:55,912 --> 00:10:00,265 About lori would not get into a car with a stranger. 164 00:10:01,417 --> 00:10:03,751 No way, okay? 165 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:07,013 So the police said that she got into a car 166 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:08,690 With someone she knew. 167 00:10:10,277 --> 00:10:13,002 - In my experience, people are killed by, 168 00:10:13,096 --> 00:10:15,355 More often than not, by people that they know. 169 00:10:15,449 --> 00:10:17,866 (ominous music) 170 00:10:20,269 --> 00:10:23,847 - This nice little jewish group of kids 171 00:10:23,865 --> 00:10:26,516 Now started looking at each other like, 172 00:10:26,534 --> 00:10:29,777 "well, who did she get in the car with?" 173 00:10:29,796 --> 00:10:32,130 (dramatic music) 174 00:10:36,619 --> 00:10:39,638 (dramatic music) 175 00:10:41,883 --> 00:10:44,976 - We've never talked about lori, ever. 176 00:10:48,373 --> 00:10:49,981 It was too painful for my mom. 177 00:10:51,968 --> 00:10:55,378 I truly 100% believe that if lori 178 00:10:55,397 --> 00:10:57,380 Would've been an only child, 179 00:10:57,399 --> 00:10:59,883 I do not believe my mom would have survived it. 180 00:10:59,901 --> 00:11:00,992 She had me. 181 00:11:01,144 --> 00:11:03,403 So she still had to go on. 182 00:11:03,497 --> 00:11:06,164 (piano music) 183 00:11:11,154 --> 00:11:14,247 - [bill] lori's murder dominates the local news. 184 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:16,508 And that leads to tips. 185 00:11:16,735 --> 00:11:19,844 One of those tips stands out above the rest. 186 00:11:22,073 --> 00:11:26,351 - They receive a call from a woman named donna up 187 00:11:26,578 --> 00:11:29,579 Who worked at mount carmel east hospital 188 00:11:29,597 --> 00:11:31,931 And had been on her way to work 189 00:11:32,083 --> 00:11:34,767 At around 5:45 in the morning. 190 00:11:34,861 --> 00:11:36,177 And she says, 191 00:11:36,271 --> 00:11:40,031 I recall seeing a girl dressed in similar clothing 192 00:11:40,183 --> 00:11:43,368 To what lori nesson was wearing when she went missing. 193 00:11:45,855 --> 00:11:51,284 - She also reports that she saw a small red colored car 194 00:11:51,436 --> 00:11:53,027 That was pulled off in a lane 195 00:11:53,046 --> 00:11:55,213 That to locals was called lovers lane. 196 00:11:57,442 --> 00:12:00,460 So they did focus on people that had access 197 00:12:00,554 --> 00:12:01,553 To the red car. 198 00:12:03,557 --> 00:12:06,391 - Scott richards drove a red mustang. 199 00:12:08,119 --> 00:12:10,211 Lori and scott were like super, super close, 200 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:11,896 Like best friends. 201 00:12:12,048 --> 00:12:14,566 And he lived on the same street as us. 202 00:12:16,719 --> 00:12:19,404 - Scott richards, who was around 16, 203 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:23,483 He hosted the after party at his parents' house 204 00:12:23,635 --> 00:12:25,910 That she first went to after the football game. 205 00:12:26,062 --> 00:12:29,396 (dramatic music) 206 00:12:29,416 --> 00:12:32,417 - He was in their circle of friends and acquaintances, 207 00:12:33,754 --> 00:12:36,087 But her friends said he was strange 208 00:12:36,239 --> 00:12:38,256 And we think he could do something like that. 209 00:12:40,168 --> 00:12:41,593 It wasn't just like one person, 210 00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:44,504 And the more information you get on somebody, 211 00:12:44,598 --> 00:12:47,657 And the more people are telling you the same thing, 212 00:12:47,675 --> 00:12:50,602 That information carries more weight than other. 213 00:12:50,753 --> 00:12:53,087 So police acted on that. 214 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:57,108 They went and interviewed scott richards as the suspect. 215 00:12:59,687 --> 00:13:04,190 - He's able through his parents and himself 216 00:13:04,342 --> 00:13:08,528 To account for his whereabouts and the timeframe 217 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:11,272 From the after party 218 00:13:11,366 --> 00:13:13,124 To when she's found dead. 219 00:13:14,461 --> 00:13:16,777 So even though there may be some lingering doubts, 220 00:13:16,797 --> 00:13:19,038 There's no ring door camera video, 221 00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:21,615 And there's no cell phone gpsing, 222 00:13:21,709 --> 00:13:26,362 So they can't even really go out and verify someone's story. 223 00:13:26,455 --> 00:13:27,972 They have to take it at face value. 224 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,311 (dramatic music) 225 00:13:40,970 --> 00:13:43,637 - Reynoldsburg police actually got a phone call 226 00:13:43,657 --> 00:13:47,641 That somebody had found shoes on the side of the road 227 00:13:47,661 --> 00:13:50,829 In gahanna, which is a neighboring suburb. 228 00:13:52,407 --> 00:13:54,648 And then another report came in 229 00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:57,001 That the sweater and her jeans were found. 230 00:13:59,488 --> 00:14:01,914 The clothing was located approximately three miles 231 00:14:02,067 --> 00:14:03,508 From where lori's body was found. 232 00:14:05,403 --> 00:14:07,587 - [bill] lori's clothes and shoes are strewn 233 00:14:07,739 --> 00:14:09,180 Along the right side of the road. 234 00:14:12,853 --> 00:14:15,244 - It would be logical to draw the idea 235 00:14:15,263 --> 00:14:18,189 That there were perhaps two people in the car 236 00:14:18,341 --> 00:14:19,691 When that clothing was thrown out. 237 00:14:21,177 --> 00:14:22,752 Someone's driving and then 238 00:14:22,770 --> 00:14:24,270 Someone's in the passenger's side 239 00:14:24,422 --> 00:14:26,939 From where the clothing went out the window. 240 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:29,367 (piano music) 241 00:14:38,436 --> 00:14:40,269 - Earlier in the investigation, 242 00:14:40,288 --> 00:14:43,030 The investigators came across information 243 00:14:43,049 --> 00:14:47,218 That lori's mom had filed a report back in August of 1973. 244 00:14:48,871 --> 00:14:50,446 - [bill] according to the report, 245 00:14:50,465 --> 00:14:54,617 Lori, who was 14 at the time, was leaving school, 246 00:14:54,636 --> 00:14:57,878 But a man tried to lure her into his car. 247 00:14:57,898 --> 00:15:01,733 She escaped, ran home and told her mother what happened. 248 00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:06,462 (dramatic music) 249 00:15:06,481 --> 00:15:08,464 - An officer puts two and two together and says, 250 00:15:08,483 --> 00:15:10,466 I think I know who this is, 251 00:15:10,485 --> 00:15:12,577 'cause this is somebody that they had dealt with. 252 00:15:13,805 --> 00:15:15,246 His name was eugene guay. 253 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:18,899 He was known to operate in that area 254 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:20,734 On the east side of columbus. 255 00:15:20,754 --> 00:15:23,922 And he would try and lure girls into his car. 256 00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:31,245 - Mr. Guay was followed to a bar 257 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:33,932 Where it was noted that mr. Guay had 258 00:15:34,083 --> 00:15:37,602 What looked like to be, maybe, like, an infected laceration 259 00:15:37,753 --> 00:15:39,845 On his head or his face, 260 00:15:39,998 --> 00:15:43,107 And that he could have been injured in a struggle 261 00:15:43,259 --> 00:15:45,777 If lori was fighting for her life. 262 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:50,281 - And they decided, 263 00:15:50,508 --> 00:15:52,450 Hey, we should probably talk to this guy. 264 00:15:54,345 --> 00:15:57,288 He's very, non-committal on his whereabouts 265 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,106 Around the timeframe of the crime. 266 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:00,866 Nothing that they're able to confirm. 267 00:16:01,019 --> 00:16:03,962 He doesn't have an alibi. 268 00:16:04,113 --> 00:16:06,130 They actually have a photograph of her 269 00:16:06,282 --> 00:16:08,708 And they show it to him. 270 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:11,694 Not only does he recognize her, he makes a comment about, 271 00:16:11,713 --> 00:16:14,472 "yeah, I didn't like her because she had braces." 272 00:16:14,699 --> 00:16:17,200 And so that raises some of the red flags 273 00:16:17,218 --> 00:16:19,368 For the investigators that this is somebody 274 00:16:19,462 --> 00:16:21,220 That we should really zero in on. 275 00:16:21,314 --> 00:16:23,439 (tense music) 276 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:32,281 (dramatic piano music) 277 00:16:37,055 --> 00:16:38,979 - Eugene guay absolutely denied being involved 278 00:16:38,999 --> 00:16:40,406 With lori's death. 279 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:43,167 (dramatic music) 280 00:16:45,321 --> 00:16:48,506 They offered him a polygraph and he agreed to that. 281 00:16:50,010 --> 00:16:52,343 (piano music) 282 00:16:58,243 --> 00:17:01,019 - The investigators receive a phone message 283 00:17:01,170 --> 00:17:04,747 From the attorney that now represents eugene guay, 284 00:17:04,766 --> 00:17:07,525 Who says that he will not be taking the polygraph. 285 00:17:13,349 --> 00:17:17,017 They do get permission via consent to search his vehicle 286 00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:19,704 In the hopes that they might find something 287 00:17:19,931 --> 00:17:23,708 That would link eugene guay to lori nesson, 288 00:17:23,935 --> 00:17:25,877 And they don't come up with any evidence. 289 00:17:28,456 --> 00:17:30,456 Once he retains an attorney, 290 00:17:30,608 --> 00:17:33,551 There really isn't anything left for them to do. 291 00:17:33,702 --> 00:17:36,054 (piano music) 292 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:44,896 - The toxicology results came back from lori's autopsy 293 00:17:45,047 --> 00:17:48,232 And there was no drugs or no alcohol in her blood. 294 00:17:49,885 --> 00:17:52,812 - Once they received the final coroner's report, 295 00:17:52,964 --> 00:17:54,980 It's not ruled as a homicide, 296 00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:59,410 It's ruled as a accidental death from unknown origin. 297 00:18:01,322 --> 00:18:02,914 There's more questions than answers. 298 00:18:04,751 --> 00:18:08,661 - You didn't have to be some kind of brain 299 00:18:08,755 --> 00:18:12,998 To look at the circumstances surrounding her death 300 00:18:13,151 --> 00:18:17,336 And where her clothes were and where her body was 301 00:18:17,488 --> 00:18:19,430 In relation to where we lived. 302 00:18:21,250 --> 00:18:26,104 How anybody could rule that as anything but a homicide 303 00:18:26,255 --> 00:18:27,563 Is beyond me. 304 00:18:28,942 --> 00:18:30,683 - [bill] the accidental death ruling 305 00:18:30,835 --> 00:18:34,186 Means the end of the investigation. 306 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:39,117 Lori's case goes as cold as ohio's icy winter winds. 307 00:18:39,268 --> 00:18:41,953 (dramatic music) 308 00:18:46,184 --> 00:18:48,868 Her family tries to pick up the pieces. 309 00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:53,631 Joyce wants to make sure toni can lead a normal life. 310 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:57,026 (ominous music) 311 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,620 - My mom made me go back to school. 312 00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:01,639 She got me involved in riding horses. 313 00:19:04,719 --> 00:19:09,372 I played sports and got good grades and a boyfriend. 314 00:19:09,390 --> 00:19:11,983 (calm music) 315 00:19:14,637 --> 00:19:19,657 My mom was always a very, very vivacious person 316 00:19:19,808 --> 00:19:23,494 That loved to entertain, loved to go to parties, 317 00:19:23,721 --> 00:19:26,497 Loved to dance, and then it all stopped. 318 00:19:28,059 --> 00:19:30,334 She went to work and she came home. 319 00:19:32,063 --> 00:19:33,671 There was always something missing, 320 00:19:34,990 --> 00:19:36,507 And it was lori. 321 00:19:41,756 --> 00:19:45,016 I always wondered who took my sister from me. 322 00:19:46,594 --> 00:19:47,593 At some point, there's gotta be 323 00:19:47,745 --> 00:19:50,262 Some kind of answer somewhere, 324 00:19:50,415 --> 00:19:53,340 But I didn't know where to go or how to get it. 325 00:19:53,434 --> 00:19:55,860 (calm guitar music) 326 00:20:11,269 --> 00:20:16,105 - I came across the case August of 2019 327 00:20:16,123 --> 00:20:17,882 While looking through the file room. 328 00:20:19,944 --> 00:20:22,795 What piqued my curiosity is the death certificate 329 00:20:22,947 --> 00:20:24,797 Did not list a manner of death as homicide, 330 00:20:24,949 --> 00:20:26,390 It was listed as undetermined. 331 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:29,209 - [bill] though he's not a detective, 332 00:20:29,229 --> 00:20:31,470 Patrol officer craig brafford 333 00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:34,899 Spends his free time reexamining local cold cases. 334 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:38,069 - When lori went missing, 335 00:20:38,296 --> 00:20:39,720 She was the same age as my daughter was. 336 00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,981 She was 15 years old. 337 00:20:42,075 --> 00:20:45,243 And I couldn't imagine going through the next 46 years 338 00:20:45,394 --> 00:20:47,728 With no answers. 339 00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:49,805 - [bill] officer brafford gets permission 340 00:20:49,824 --> 00:20:52,658 From the deputy chief to investigate the case 341 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:54,418 On his own time. 342 00:20:55,997 --> 00:21:00,091 He gathers the case files and pores over the autopsy photos. 343 00:21:00,318 --> 00:21:03,168 - There were some injuries that were not listed, 344 00:21:03,321 --> 00:21:06,246 Some trauma may have been behind her left ear, 345 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:10,935 But my "a-ha" moment was there was one photograph in particular 346 00:21:12,588 --> 00:21:16,607 Of a detective that lifted up lori's upper lip 347 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:20,111 And there was a lot, a lot of damage, 348 00:21:20,262 --> 00:21:23,764 Which was consistent with possibly being rubbed 349 00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:27,243 Against the top braces that lori had. 350 00:21:28,679 --> 00:21:32,197 So someone could have been mashing her mouth down 351 00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:33,958 To try to keep her quiet. 352 00:21:35,444 --> 00:21:38,963 This was a clear, clear, obvious homicide. 353 00:21:46,030 --> 00:21:48,306 (gentle piano music) 354 00:21:52,461 --> 00:21:54,127 - I never thought it would be solved 355 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:56,296 Because how could it be? 356 00:21:56,316 --> 00:21:58,149 It wasn't even ruled a homicide. 357 00:22:00,969 --> 00:22:03,970 All those years, 358 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:08,233 Nobody ever, ever, 359 00:22:08,386 --> 00:22:10,477 Cared about what happened to her 360 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:12,496 Until craig brafford. 361 00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:17,835 (piano music) 362 00:22:24,735 --> 00:22:26,177 - I contacted toni. 363 00:22:28,573 --> 00:22:30,573 I felt she deserved answers. 364 00:22:30,591 --> 00:22:32,741 Her family deserved answers. 365 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,761 And I felt that we had an opportunity now to do this, 366 00:22:35,855 --> 00:22:37,355 To do it right. 367 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:41,675 - He said, "well, 368 00:22:41,694 --> 00:22:46,697 "I don't wanna reopen an old wound, 369 00:22:46,849 --> 00:22:49,200 "but I would like to talk to you about your sister." 370 00:22:51,946 --> 00:22:54,872 And literally the minute he said that 371 00:22:57,025 --> 00:22:59,043 It was like somebody punched me in the stomach. 372 00:23:00,529 --> 00:23:02,380 So the first thing that I said to craig 373 00:23:02,607 --> 00:23:07,443 When I finally could catch my breath was, 374 00:23:07,461 --> 00:23:12,223 You can't reopen something that was never closed. 375 00:23:15,895 --> 00:23:18,454 - [bill] before brafford can move forward, 376 00:23:18,472 --> 00:23:20,956 He has to convince the coroner that lori's death 377 00:23:20,975 --> 00:23:25,644 Wasn't accidental and that she was murdered. 378 00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:28,464 - The county coroner and some of the other physicians 379 00:23:28,482 --> 00:23:30,724 Would have to sit down and review all the aspects 380 00:23:30,818 --> 00:23:35,413 Of the case before the elected coroner would sign off on it. 381 00:23:35,564 --> 00:23:37,731 - [bill] in September of of 2020, 382 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,492 After five months of deliberation, 383 00:23:40,645 --> 00:23:43,421 The coroner's office comes back with a decision. 384 00:23:47,818 --> 00:23:49,927 - The manner of death had been overturned 385 00:23:50,154 --> 00:23:53,597 From undetermined to homicidal violence. 386 00:23:56,102 --> 00:23:58,494 - Craig got her case reopened, 387 00:23:58,587 --> 00:24:03,165 And for the first time in 45 years, 388 00:24:03,184 --> 00:24:09,238 I felt that somebody actually cared about lori. 389 00:24:11,175 --> 00:24:17,771 And so it was extremely emotional for me. 390 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:21,366 And I mean, just look at my... 391 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,461 Can you see my hand? 392 00:24:25,523 --> 00:24:26,630 Just thinking about that. 393 00:24:31,362 --> 00:24:33,028 - That was extremely satisfying, 394 00:24:33,047 --> 00:24:35,364 But we still had an uphill battle on our hands 395 00:24:35,382 --> 00:24:37,641 Because we still had an investigation to conduct. 396 00:24:40,295 --> 00:24:42,888 The two main people that had been looked at at the time 397 00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:46,484 A eugene guay, and a friend of lori's, scott richard 398 00:24:46,635 --> 00:24:48,652 Had both passed away several years ago. 399 00:24:51,306 --> 00:24:54,066 - [bill] detectives hope new forensic technology 400 00:24:54,218 --> 00:24:56,327 Will give them a solid lead. 401 00:24:56,554 --> 00:24:58,737 They submit lori's clothing to the crime lab 402 00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:00,164 For dna testing. 403 00:25:03,394 --> 00:25:05,244 - Unfortunately this case came in 404 00:25:05,396 --> 00:25:08,397 Right before the start of the covid pandemic 405 00:25:08,415 --> 00:25:11,675 And that did slow progress. 406 00:25:13,420 --> 00:25:16,588 Like most of the country, we were working from home 407 00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:20,851 And definitely can't do dna analysis from my house. 408 00:25:22,263 --> 00:25:26,023 - [bill] suspects from 1975 have died. 409 00:25:26,174 --> 00:25:29,342 That combined with the global pandemic 410 00:25:29,436 --> 00:25:31,362 Slows the case to a crawl. 411 00:25:33,424 --> 00:25:37,609 - Here it is November, and I got nothing. 412 00:25:37,703 --> 00:25:41,021 (piano music) 413 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,208 And that's when I called lieutenant early, 414 00:25:45,786 --> 00:25:48,546 And I said, I'm going to the media. 415 00:25:52,367 --> 00:25:54,960 Somebody somewhere knows something 416 00:25:55,112 --> 00:25:57,555 And we need to find that person. 417 00:26:00,542 --> 00:26:02,726 - Toni was very adamant about the fact 418 00:26:02,953 --> 00:26:05,637 That she wanted to run a news story on it. 419 00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:08,882 So one of our local reporters from a news channel here 420 00:26:08,976 --> 00:26:10,734 Was willing to do that. 421 00:26:10,886 --> 00:26:13,571 (dramatic piano music) 422 00:26:20,805 --> 00:26:23,414 - I get a phone call from my cousin, jean. 423 00:26:23,641 --> 00:26:25,991 She says, "have you seen this story on tv 424 00:26:26,143 --> 00:26:27,901 About lori nesson?" 425 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,254 I said, "no, I haven't." 426 00:26:30,405 --> 00:26:32,756 And she said, "well, this sounds just like karen." 427 00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:35,926 So she called the police department. 428 00:26:36,078 --> 00:26:38,170 (dramatic music) 429 00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:41,247 - [bill] 17 year old, karen adams had been murdered 430 00:26:41,267 --> 00:26:45,769 Just six months after lori, back in 1975. 431 00:26:47,331 --> 00:26:48,939 - And if you were to draw a straight line 432 00:26:49,091 --> 00:26:50,833 Between the locations 433 00:26:50,851 --> 00:26:52,926 Of both of those victims, 434 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:54,686 It's probably only 435 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,764 Two and a half miles at best. 436 00:26:57,783 --> 00:27:00,767 We felt very strongly that there might be a connection 437 00:27:00,861 --> 00:27:02,119 Between these two crimes. 438 00:27:02,270 --> 00:27:04,788 (dramatic music) 439 00:27:11,613 --> 00:27:13,964 (dramatic piano music) 440 00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:20,028 - A detective from the reynoldsburg police department 441 00:27:20,047 --> 00:27:24,549 Contacted me in reference to a cold case homicide 442 00:27:24,702 --> 00:27:28,036 That I solved back in 2011. 443 00:27:28,055 --> 00:27:29,813 It was the karen adams case. 444 00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:33,484 (dramatic music) 445 00:27:40,234 --> 00:27:42,050 - [bill] at the time of her murder, 446 00:27:42,069 --> 00:27:45,812 Karen adams lived just 10 minutes from lori nesson. 447 00:27:45,906 --> 00:27:47,556 The night she was killed, 448 00:27:47,649 --> 00:27:50,150 17 year old karen told her parents 449 00:27:50,169 --> 00:27:52,394 She was going out for about an hour. 450 00:27:52,487 --> 00:27:55,339 She drove off and never came back. 451 00:27:56,734 --> 00:27:59,234 - She said she was going to see a friend 452 00:27:59,253 --> 00:28:01,753 About a scarf that she'd left over there, 453 00:28:01,906 --> 00:28:03,847 And she was gonna go get it, she'd be right back. 454 00:28:05,333 --> 00:28:06,350 11 o'clock turned around 455 00:28:06,501 --> 00:28:08,519 And we knew something was going on then. 456 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:12,856 Karen was never out late at night. 457 00:28:14,435 --> 00:28:17,695 The next morning, karen was reported missing. 458 00:28:19,848 --> 00:28:23,349 I was driving around, talking with her friends, 459 00:28:23,444 --> 00:28:25,369 Trying to find my sister. 460 00:28:27,598 --> 00:28:29,873 I found her car in a parking lot. 461 00:28:31,618 --> 00:28:33,001 I knew something was wrong. 462 00:28:34,196 --> 00:28:36,213 She would've never left that car. 463 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,047 Never. 464 00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:42,277 - [bill] just a few months earlier, 465 00:28:42,296 --> 00:28:45,447 Karen finally saved enough from waitressing 466 00:28:45,466 --> 00:28:50,060 To buy the 1965 mercury comet, her first car. 467 00:28:51,897 --> 00:28:53,213 - I'd worked on it a little bit, 468 00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:54,565 Fixed it up a little bit for her, 469 00:28:54,792 --> 00:28:58,736 And I remember her taking me for a ride, 470 00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:03,574 And how happy she was to have that car. 471 00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:07,578 That's the only memory that I kind of keep, 472 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:11,156 Me and her riding around that car. 473 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:14,084 (dramatic music) 474 00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:20,257 Karen was the third of five children, 475 00:29:21,318 --> 00:29:22,334 Four girls, one boy. 476 00:29:22,428 --> 00:29:23,594 I'm the oldest. 477 00:29:24,989 --> 00:29:26,430 She's special to our family. 478 00:29:28,659 --> 00:29:30,768 Had a great sense of humor. 479 00:29:30,919 --> 00:29:33,345 She was looking so much forward to her future. 480 00:29:33,497 --> 00:29:36,440 (gentle piano music) 481 00:29:44,358 --> 00:29:48,619 - It was roughly six to eight miles east of white hall 482 00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:49,953 Where karen lived, 483 00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:55,684 Two people just happened to look in the ditch 484 00:29:55,702 --> 00:29:57,294 And saw a body. 485 00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:01,281 - We got the call from the police. 486 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,299 They'd found her body. 487 00:30:05,195 --> 00:30:08,472 It's like somebody just pulled my guts out of me. 488 00:30:12,144 --> 00:30:16,146 All I could think of was how karen's last few moments were. 489 00:30:18,542 --> 00:30:22,044 - She had some marks on her neck and once they took her 490 00:30:22,137 --> 00:30:25,230 From the scene and did the autopsy, 491 00:30:25,382 --> 00:30:26,990 Obviously that was confirmed 492 00:30:27,142 --> 00:30:30,494 That, one, she was sexually assaulted, 493 00:30:31,997 --> 00:30:35,499 And two, that she was strangled to death. 494 00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:39,837 There were no witnesses or fingerprints. 495 00:30:41,323 --> 00:30:44,007 Detectives followed as many leads as they could. 496 00:30:47,254 --> 00:30:50,997 They spent a good six months to a year on it. 497 00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:52,591 They interviewed everyone they could, 498 00:30:52,743 --> 00:30:54,685 And ran outta leads. 499 00:30:57,431 --> 00:30:59,690 - The family was, "hey, what are you people doing?" 500 00:31:01,843 --> 00:31:05,028 I asked to see the file on karen. 501 00:31:06,106 --> 00:31:07,606 They wouldn't show it to me. 502 00:31:07,758 --> 00:31:09,199 I just couldn't get any answers. 503 00:31:10,928 --> 00:31:15,931 I tried bribing people, that didn't help. 504 00:31:15,949 --> 00:31:18,375 And then it got colder and colder and colder, 505 00:31:18,526 --> 00:31:21,712 And pretty soon everybody forgets. 506 00:31:23,198 --> 00:31:25,549 (gentle music) 507 00:31:34,785 --> 00:31:36,876 - [bill] cold case detective, chuck clark 508 00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:41,139 Is searching the database for an inactive case to take on. 509 00:31:41,291 --> 00:31:43,901 What he finds, karen adams file. 510 00:31:46,054 --> 00:31:50,482 - Her case seemed to have one of the highest probabilities 511 00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:53,301 Of being solved, 512 00:31:53,395 --> 00:31:57,080 Mainly because dna had come around. 513 00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:01,826 - [bill] a 2010 forensic test on karen's clothes 514 00:32:01,979 --> 00:32:05,589 Reveals the dna profiles of two unknown males. 515 00:32:08,761 --> 00:32:10,410 - They put him in codis, 516 00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:14,005 Which is the system that identifies suspects. 517 00:32:14,158 --> 00:32:15,933 One came back as unknown, 518 00:32:17,752 --> 00:32:23,440 And one was a known male that had done time in prison 519 00:32:23,591 --> 00:32:26,259 For rape and kidnapping. 520 00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:29,112 And his name was robert meyer. 521 00:32:32,025 --> 00:32:35,343 - [bill] meyer had been arrested and convicted for raping 522 00:32:35,362 --> 00:32:39,848 And kidnapping two women in toledo, ohio, in 1976, 523 00:32:39,866 --> 00:32:42,292 Just a year after karen adams murder. 524 00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:48,131 He spent 25 years in prison and was released in 2001. 525 00:32:50,377 --> 00:32:51,784 - When he was released, 526 00:32:51,804 --> 00:32:55,288 He was required to provide a dna sample 527 00:32:55,382 --> 00:32:56,139 Because of his conviction. 528 00:32:58,368 --> 00:33:02,145 - We just needed to get a dna swab from him 529 00:33:02,297 --> 00:33:06,984 To verify the hit that I got codis from the lab. 530 00:33:14,401 --> 00:33:15,659 We knocked on his door, 531 00:33:17,721 --> 00:33:20,664 Mr. Meyer was very cordial, very polite, 532 00:33:20,815 --> 00:33:22,332 And he was very compliant. 533 00:33:24,486 --> 00:33:27,504 So I got dna swabs from each cheek 534 00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:33,510 And took those swabs right to the lab to be compared. 535 00:33:37,758 --> 00:33:39,683 - Detectives showed up my door, 536 00:33:41,411 --> 00:33:43,854 They said they had a dna hit with codis. 537 00:33:45,766 --> 00:33:48,917 And soon as they get the evidence confirmed, 538 00:33:48,935 --> 00:33:50,027 They were gonna arrest him. 539 00:33:51,255 --> 00:33:53,196 It all came back like a flood. 540 00:33:54,441 --> 00:33:55,924 The same feeling that I got 541 00:33:55,942 --> 00:34:00,203 When I found out that karen had got killed, I got again. 542 00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:05,500 They never told me the name, what they told me was, 543 00:34:06,694 --> 00:34:10,789 It was a 71 year old convicted rapist 544 00:34:10,941 --> 00:34:12,549 That was living in cincinnati. 545 00:34:16,037 --> 00:34:17,679 Well, all you have to do 546 00:34:19,058 --> 00:34:22,875 Is go to the hamilton county sex offender website 547 00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:26,396 And figure out how many 71 year old guys you got there. 548 00:34:26,548 --> 00:34:28,899 (dramatic music) 549 00:34:29,126 --> 00:34:30,308 One. 550 00:34:30,402 --> 00:34:33,144 (tense music) 551 00:34:33,297 --> 00:34:36,073 I got an address off the website, 552 00:34:37,651 --> 00:34:39,409 I went down to see him. 553 00:34:40,562 --> 00:34:42,245 I took my gun 554 00:34:45,084 --> 00:34:48,251 And I knocked on his order. (dramatic music) 555 00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:58,178 (dramatic piano music) 556 00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:06,419 - I kept thinking about my sister's last moments 557 00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:08,605 And how bad I wanted to hurt robert meyer. 558 00:35:10,684 --> 00:35:12,609 I had the gun in my pocket. 559 00:35:13,837 --> 00:35:15,112 He opened the door. 560 00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:17,906 "what do you want?" 561 00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:23,787 Inside my head was ringing like I was gonna blow up. 562 00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:27,624 I stood within two feet of him 563 00:35:27,851 --> 00:35:30,627 And I didn't see his face, I seen my mother's face. 564 00:35:30,778 --> 00:35:33,204 (dramatic music) 565 00:35:33,298 --> 00:35:34,923 I just couldn't do it. 566 00:35:36,209 --> 00:35:39,711 He doesn't deserve that much... 567 00:35:39,805 --> 00:35:41,863 Attention. 568 00:35:41,956 --> 00:35:43,140 There's no way I could kill that man 569 00:35:43,367 --> 00:35:46,143 And put my mother through more heartache over this. 570 00:35:47,795 --> 00:35:49,629 I just turned around and walked away. 571 00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:52,107 (piano music) 572 00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:00,473 - As soon as we got the confirmation dna, 573 00:36:00,567 --> 00:36:02,400 I had mr. Meyer transported 574 00:36:02,552 --> 00:36:04,386 To the cincinnati police department 575 00:36:04,404 --> 00:36:07,247 To a detective bureau where I conducted an interview. 576 00:36:16,416 --> 00:36:19,234 - I got the feeling that he actually didn't remember. 577 00:36:19,327 --> 00:36:20,969 I think it would've been possible, 578 00:36:22,589 --> 00:36:25,265 Who knows how many other crimes he committed against women? 579 00:36:43,593 --> 00:36:47,037 - He arrested him, he pleads guilty to murder. 580 00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:51,875 He was convicted, sentenced, 25 years and life. 581 00:36:53,286 --> 00:36:55,712 He died four years later. 582 00:36:57,865 --> 00:37:00,717 - [bill] meyer's arrest and death bring some closure 583 00:37:00,944 --> 00:37:01,843 To the case, 584 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:05,705 But the identity of karen's other attacker 585 00:37:05,799 --> 00:37:07,390 Is still a mystery. 586 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,046 - I discovered that he had an accomplice in toledo, 587 00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:16,233 That person's name was charles weber. 588 00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:22,388 - Robert meyer and charles weber actually met in prison 589 00:37:22,482 --> 00:37:26,910 Back in the early to mid 1960s. 590 00:37:27,061 --> 00:37:30,080 They lived together as soon as they get out of prison. 591 00:37:31,641 --> 00:37:34,567 And one of them's out of prison, not two weeks, 592 00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:37,671 And we have lori nesson show up dead. 593 00:37:41,593 --> 00:37:43,651 Around six months later, 594 00:37:43,745 --> 00:37:47,672 We have karen adams who is found dead, 595 00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:52,327 And then weber and meyer actually moved to toledo, ohio. 596 00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:54,920 And they attempted twice more 597 00:37:55,015 --> 00:37:59,609 To abduct, sexually assault, and murder two more victims. 598 00:38:02,839 --> 00:38:05,907 Charles weber went to prison until 1989, 599 00:38:07,602 --> 00:38:10,770 And he was released and he died three years later, 600 00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:13,456 So we didn't have the opportunity to get his dna. 601 00:38:14,609 --> 00:38:17,961 (dramatic music) 602 00:38:18,188 --> 00:38:22,206 - [bill] four years later in March of 2016, 603 00:38:22,359 --> 00:38:26,861 Detective clark tracks down charles weber's biological son, 604 00:38:26,954 --> 00:38:31,032 And using familial dna, confirms weber 605 00:38:31,125 --> 00:38:34,769 Was the second suspect in karen adams' murder. 606 00:38:37,707 --> 00:38:40,442 - It is such a relief to find out who did this 607 00:38:41,728 --> 00:38:43,044 And move on with your life, 608 00:38:43,137 --> 00:38:46,448 And keep the memories of what you had that were good 609 00:38:47,809 --> 00:38:49,409 And let the rest of it go. 610 00:38:50,570 --> 00:38:53,312 But that is the hardest thing to do. 611 00:38:53,332 --> 00:38:56,333 (gentle music) 612 00:39:00,172 --> 00:39:02,988 - We received calls with people saying that a news story 613 00:39:03,083 --> 00:39:04,490 About the death of lori nesson, 614 00:39:04,584 --> 00:39:08,845 And it sounded very similar to the death of karen adams. 615 00:39:08,996 --> 00:39:11,664 (dramatic music) 616 00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:15,685 I contacted devonie herdeman at the dna lab. 617 00:39:15,912 --> 00:39:19,522 She was actually familiar with the karen adams case 618 00:39:19,749 --> 00:39:21,983 Because she had done the dna analysis on it. 619 00:39:24,345 --> 00:39:28,698 - So I'd started comparing karen's profile 620 00:39:28,850 --> 00:39:32,869 From her underwear to the profile from lori's jeans. 621 00:39:35,432 --> 00:39:36,539 They were identical. 622 00:39:36,691 --> 00:39:38,875 (tense music) 623 00:39:39,102 --> 00:39:42,027 And not only did we get one foreign individual, 624 00:39:42,047 --> 00:39:45,698 But the same two foreign individuals 625 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,509 That did this to lori. 626 00:39:50,389 --> 00:39:52,555 I screamed, I screamed at my desk. 627 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,451 - [bill] the dna match and the stories 628 00:39:56,544 --> 00:39:59,211 From weber and meyer's surviving victims 629 00:39:59,231 --> 00:40:01,380 Lead to a theory about what happened 630 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,358 The night lori nesson was murdered. 631 00:40:06,129 --> 00:40:11,223 - The women in toledo said that they tried to approach them 632 00:40:11,243 --> 00:40:13,576 Under the guise of needing help. 633 00:40:15,472 --> 00:40:17,655 And then once they got close to the car, 634 00:40:17,807 --> 00:40:21,751 They jump out and would grab 'em. 635 00:40:21,978 --> 00:40:24,421 - I think they forced her into the vehicle. 636 00:40:26,332 --> 00:40:27,573 They sexually assaulted her 637 00:40:27,667 --> 00:40:30,818 And then decided that killing her 638 00:40:30,837 --> 00:40:32,762 Was the best way of concealing their crime. 639 00:40:35,175 --> 00:40:38,660 - [bill] convinced that weber and meyer's killed lori, 640 00:40:38,753 --> 00:40:41,345 Investigators finally have answers 641 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,231 For lori's sister, toni. 642 00:40:46,853 --> 00:40:50,238 - Once craig told me that lori's case had been solved 643 00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:53,283 And they're both dead, 644 00:40:53,434 --> 00:40:55,577 I think I did ask, 645 00:40:56,938 --> 00:40:59,530 Is there any way that we could exhume their bodies 646 00:40:59,683 --> 00:41:03,442 So that I could run over them with my truck multiple times? 647 00:41:03,536 --> 00:41:06,612 (somber piano music) 648 00:41:06,631 --> 00:41:12,451 I'm very upset that they never had to pay 649 00:41:12,545 --> 00:41:14,929 For what they did to my sister. 650 00:41:18,384 --> 00:41:22,145 But I can't spend the rest of my life 651 00:41:22,296 --> 00:41:24,814 Being concerned with them. 652 00:41:25,041 --> 00:41:27,650 (somber piano music) 653 00:41:27,877 --> 00:41:33,715 So what we did on July 13th, which was my 60th birthday, 654 00:41:33,733 --> 00:41:38,886 We did a very small memorial service at the graveside. 655 00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:40,830 My mom is buried next to lori, 656 00:41:42,575 --> 00:41:47,670 And I got to tell them both that lori's case was solved 657 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,674 And that they could rest in peace. 658 00:41:51,901 --> 00:41:54,802 (somber piano music) 659 00:41:59,092 --> 00:42:02,852 - Me and toni nesson has become very good friends over this. 660 00:42:05,081 --> 00:42:06,814 We'll always be in this together. 661 00:42:09,252 --> 00:42:13,846 And we talk quite often about the need 662 00:42:13,865 --> 00:42:17,016 To do shows like this, to get the word out. 663 00:42:17,110 --> 00:42:19,944 (somber piano music) 664 00:42:20,038 --> 00:42:22,280 And law enforcement and the families all believe 665 00:42:22,374 --> 00:42:25,875 That there are other victims out there, we're sure of that. 666 00:42:28,454 --> 00:42:32,865 If you know of anybody that sounds like this story, 667 00:42:32,959 --> 00:42:34,884 Contact your local authorities. 668 00:42:35,036 --> 00:42:38,054 (somber music) 669 00:42:39,783 --> 00:42:43,208 - I want to make sure that these families out there 670 00:42:43,303 --> 00:42:46,396 And friends don't ever give up, 671 00:42:47,807 --> 00:42:49,307 Don't ever give up. 672 00:42:49,459 --> 00:42:53,461 There's always some sort of hope. 673 00:42:53,479 --> 00:42:59,367 And if my story can help another family, 674 00:43:00,895 --> 00:43:03,746 Then all of the pain that I've been through is worth it. 675 00:43:03,898 --> 00:43:06,749 (somber music)