1 00:00:04,046 --> 00:00:06,089 [soft music] 2 00:00:06,089 --> 00:00:08,383 HOWARD COSELL: The National Basketball Association 3 00:00:08,383 --> 00:00:10,802 captured the sports headlines this week 4 00:00:10,802 --> 00:00:13,263 with the brouhaha in Los Angeles. 5 00:00:13,263 --> 00:00:16,642 On Wednesday, Lakers superstar Magic Johnson 6 00:00:16,642 --> 00:00:20,103 decided he was unhappy, demanded to be traded. 7 00:00:20,103 --> 00:00:21,480 REPORTER: The NBA leader in assists 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,941 and the steals averaging 17 points a game 9 00:00:23,941 --> 00:00:25,651 demanded Wednesday night to be traded, 10 00:00:25,651 --> 00:00:27,819 if Paul Westhead remained as coach. 11 00:00:27,819 --> 00:00:31,698 - Well, Magic got his wish. Coach Paul Westhead was canned. 12 00:00:31,698 --> 00:00:33,867 - Paul Westhead has been fired as the coach 13 00:00:33,867 --> 00:00:36,495 of the Los Angeles Lakers after the team star, 14 00:00:36,495 --> 00:00:38,622 Magic Johnson, said he wanted to be traded. 15 00:00:38,622 --> 00:00:40,207 LETTERMAN: Paul Westhead, the people said 16 00:00:40,207 --> 00:00:41,542 that you might have been responsible 17 00:00:41,542 --> 00:00:43,085 for him leaving the organization. 18 00:00:43,085 --> 00:00:46,046 - All I asked was, "I want to be traded," 19 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:49,383 and then all the other things came out. 20 00:00:49,383 --> 00:00:51,927 - I went on David Letterman, 21 00:00:51,927 --> 00:00:54,972 and I didn't want to continue to bash Coach Westhead. 22 00:00:54,972 --> 00:00:58,517 You know, I'm not that dude. I just wanted to move on. 23 00:00:58,517 --> 00:01:00,644 I wanted us to get back to our winning ways. 24 00:01:00,644 --> 00:01:03,230 I wanted us to get back to runnin' and gunnin', 25 00:01:03,230 --> 00:01:05,190 because we were not doing that. 26 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,735 PAUL: It doesn't seem that long ago 27 00:01:08,735 --> 00:01:12,364 that we were running a World Championship. 28 00:01:12,364 --> 00:01:17,244 And I say adios to the people of Los Angeles. 29 00:01:18,495 --> 00:01:21,123 PAUL: It was my first time being fired. 30 00:01:21,123 --> 00:01:22,916 But I learned a long time ago 31 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:25,586 that if someone's going to fire you, 32 00:01:25,586 --> 00:01:27,045 don't beg. 33 00:01:27,045 --> 00:01:31,633 PAUL: That's what you want, then...okay. 34 00:01:31,633 --> 00:01:35,721 KAREEM: It was gonna come down to Earvin or Paul. 35 00:01:35,721 --> 00:01:38,390 Paul couldn't do what Earvin did on the court. [laughs] 36 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:42,894 So, you know, if the coach can't make... 37 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:47,983 A very, very key player happy, 38 00:01:47,983 --> 00:01:50,360 we're not gonna win as many games as we could. 39 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:53,739 And that-that's just the fact. 40 00:01:54,614 --> 00:02:00,037 BUSS: In the best interest of the entire Laker organization, 41 00:02:00,037 --> 00:02:06,293 we have appointed Jerry West as offensive coach. 42 00:02:06,293 --> 00:02:11,715 Pat Riley will stay as coach for the Lakers. 43 00:02:11,715 --> 00:02:14,176 - Well, first of all, I'd like to clear up one thing. 44 00:02:14,176 --> 00:02:16,470 I'm gonna be working for Pat Riley. 45 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:19,014 And I feel that my response-- 46 00:02:19,014 --> 00:02:23,060 - With or for? - With and for Pat Riley. 47 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:25,437 And I think my responsibility is to him, 48 00:02:25,437 --> 00:02:29,066 because I feel in my heart that he is the head coach. 49 00:02:29,066 --> 00:02:35,155 And hopefully my position here won't be a long-range position. 50 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:37,658 PAT: Dr. Buss announced Jerry was gonna be the head coach. 51 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:38,909 And then Jerry came up and said, 52 00:02:38,909 --> 00:02:40,327 "No, Pat's gonna be the head coach." 53 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:42,079 And then I got up there and said, 54 00:02:42,079 --> 00:02:43,997 "Well, if nobody wants it. I'll take it, you know?" 55 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:45,666 - Ed Arnold has been covering the story all day, 56 00:02:45,666 --> 00:02:48,168 is with the new coach-- Ed and Pat Riley, yes. 57 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:49,461 - Well, Pat Riley is the new coach. 58 00:02:49,461 --> 00:02:51,004 Actually, there are two new coaches 59 00:02:51,004 --> 00:02:53,090 according to Dr. Jerry Buss, the owner of the team. 60 00:02:53,090 --> 00:02:54,716 One is Jerry West. 61 00:02:54,716 --> 00:02:56,426 The other one of course is Pat Riley, who's with me now. 62 00:02:56,426 --> 00:02:58,970 What will the status be between you and Jerry? 63 00:02:58,970 --> 00:03:02,683 - Well, right now, Eddie, because I'm familiar with, uh, 64 00:03:02,683 --> 00:03:04,393 you know, the total concept of the Laker team 65 00:03:04,393 --> 00:03:08,271 offensively and defensively, I will be in charge. 66 00:03:08,271 --> 00:03:11,274 Jerry will, uh, support me offensively 67 00:03:11,274 --> 00:03:13,652 in the suggestions and, uh, you know, 68 00:03:13,652 --> 00:03:16,405 in that capacity until a further date if there is one. 69 00:03:16,405 --> 00:03:19,700 - So at the press conference, my dad is explaining 70 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:22,828 that Pat would be coaching defense 71 00:03:22,828 --> 00:03:25,497 and Jerry would be coaching the offense. 72 00:03:25,497 --> 00:03:30,085 But when Jerry West came in and contradicted my dad, 73 00:03:30,085 --> 00:03:33,046 my dad had to defer to Jerry West, 74 00:03:33,046 --> 00:03:37,426 therefore making him the shot caller in the organization. 75 00:03:37,426 --> 00:03:39,344 - I offered Jerry West the job, 76 00:03:39,344 --> 00:03:43,390 and I said, "You may use or not use Pat Riley 77 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:46,059 "to whatever level you choose, 78 00:03:46,059 --> 00:03:48,812 "and I will hold you responsible 79 00:03:48,812 --> 00:03:50,564 "for the overall program. 80 00:03:50,564 --> 00:03:54,359 And in particular, I want you to improve our offense." 81 00:03:54,359 --> 00:03:56,820 Uh, after that, Jerry talked to Pat, 82 00:03:56,820 --> 00:03:58,155 the news conference was held, 83 00:03:58,155 --> 00:04:01,241 and he said, "Pat Riley will be the head coach." 84 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:03,410 You see, with the authority that I gave him, 85 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:05,412 he has the right to do that. 86 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:07,873 My feeling is, "Jerry, you take this, 87 00:04:07,873 --> 00:04:09,624 "and you do what you think is right 88 00:04:09,624 --> 00:04:11,168 and what you think is best." 89 00:04:11,168 --> 00:04:12,544 If that's what he thinks is best, 90 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:14,045 I have every faith in him. 91 00:04:14,045 --> 00:04:16,047 - So Pat Riley is running the ball club? 92 00:04:16,047 --> 00:04:18,383 - Uh...that's correct. 93 00:04:18,383 --> 00:04:21,261 - I don't think my dad was angry about it, 94 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:23,054 but it definitely set a tone 95 00:04:23,054 --> 00:04:25,390 for their relationship going forward. 96 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:29,478 You know, that's not how my dad would wanna be thought of, 97 00:04:29,478 --> 00:04:33,482 that he wasn't the sole decision maker. 98 00:04:33,482 --> 00:04:34,983 - Magic, if you disagree with Pat Riley 99 00:04:34,983 --> 00:04:38,153 as you did with Paul Westhead, would you ask to be traded? 100 00:04:38,153 --> 00:04:40,530 - Well, we'll just have to wait till that comes. 101 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:41,782 [laughs] 102 00:04:41,782 --> 00:04:44,201 I can't answer that now. How can I answer that? 103 00:04:44,201 --> 00:04:46,495 And like I said, I just wait till it come. 104 00:04:46,495 --> 00:04:48,830 REPORTER: Your thoughts on Pat Riley. 105 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:50,415 - Well, uh, he's the coach now. 106 00:04:50,415 --> 00:04:51,833 He's the man I have to work for. 107 00:04:51,833 --> 00:04:53,543 I hope, uh, that things go smoothly. 108 00:04:53,543 --> 00:04:55,295 REPORTER: Think you'll have any problem at all 109 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,297 with the players? - I don't think so. I hope not. 110 00:04:57,297 --> 00:04:58,757 Uh, you know, they're professionals, 111 00:04:58,757 --> 00:05:01,426 and, uh, you know, this day has come and gone. 112 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:03,595 And tomorrow night they're playing against a team 113 00:05:03,595 --> 00:05:05,388 that beat them by 30 points last week. 114 00:05:05,388 --> 00:05:08,683 So I think their incentive is-is to play, and, uh, 115 00:05:08,683 --> 00:05:10,852 and I don't think I'll have any problems with them. 116 00:05:10,852 --> 00:05:12,562 ♪ ♪ 117 00:05:12,562 --> 00:05:14,231 PAT: One of the things about Dr. Buss 118 00:05:14,231 --> 00:05:17,734 is that he wanted the team to be a family. 119 00:05:17,734 --> 00:05:20,737 As much as we are together as a team, 120 00:05:20,737 --> 00:05:23,198 the only way you're ever gonna win is to be a family, 121 00:05:23,198 --> 00:05:27,744 is really be tight and to trust one another. 122 00:05:28,453 --> 00:05:31,081 SINGERS: ♪ California love ♪ 123 00:05:31,081 --> 00:05:32,833 ♪ Ooh ooh ♪ 124 00:05:32,833 --> 00:05:35,335 ♪ California ♪ 125 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:38,797 ♪ Knows how to party ♪ 126 00:05:38,797 --> 00:05:41,633 ♪ California knows how to party ♪ 127 00:05:41,633 --> 00:05:43,385 ANNOUNCER: There he is. His first shot as an owner. 128 00:05:43,385 --> 00:05:45,387 ANNOUNCER: You think he likes it? 129 00:05:45,387 --> 00:05:46,513 SINGER: ♪ California ♪ 130 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:48,431 ♪ ♪ 131 00:05:48,431 --> 00:05:50,851 BUSS: At this moment, I can't believe it. 132 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:52,269 SINGER: ♪ California ♪ 133 00:05:52,269 --> 00:05:53,270 INTERVIEWER: What's the future? 134 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:54,521 Want to replace your father 135 00:05:54,521 --> 00:05:56,523 at the top? - Yeah. [laughs] 136 00:05:56,523 --> 00:05:58,859 SINGER: ♪ In the city ♪ 137 00:05:58,859 --> 00:06:00,527 BUSS: Between my daughters and my sons, 138 00:06:00,527 --> 00:06:03,363 there are certainly enough sports teams to go around. 139 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:07,200 ♪ ♪ 140 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,202 INTERVIEWER: Are you and the rest of the family, 141 00:06:09,202 --> 00:06:10,996 are you guys all on the same page? 142 00:06:10,996 --> 00:06:12,581 SINGER: ♪ We keep it rockin' ♪ 143 00:06:12,581 --> 00:06:14,624 REPORTER: The Lakers, caught in the middle 144 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:16,376 of a family power struggle. 145 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:17,919 SINGERS ♪ Rockin', rockin' ♪ 146 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:20,630 [intense musical buildup] 147 00:06:20,630 --> 00:06:22,799 BUSS: I think I've really left them with something. 148 00:06:22,799 --> 00:06:24,926 [soft, dramatic chord] 149 00:06:24,926 --> 00:06:28,430 ♪ ♪ 150 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:32,934 [upbeat music] 151 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:36,062 ♪ ♪ 152 00:06:36,062 --> 00:06:38,565 MAGIC: My teammates didn't like 153 00:06:38,565 --> 00:06:40,650 that Dr. Buss and I were close, 154 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:43,904 but what made life even worse than that 155 00:06:43,904 --> 00:06:47,782 is when he gave me the 25-year, $25-million contract. 156 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:49,826 - 21-year-old Earvin Magic Johnson 157 00:06:49,826 --> 00:06:51,453 has just pulled off a trick 158 00:06:51,453 --> 00:06:54,456 that makes Harry Houdini look like a two-bit carnival act. 159 00:06:54,456 --> 00:06:56,124 The 6'8 guard who led the Lakers 160 00:06:56,124 --> 00:06:57,876 to a world championship finish his rookie season 161 00:06:57,876 --> 00:07:01,338 has signed a new contract. It is a whopper, folks. 162 00:07:01,338 --> 00:07:04,257 The two-year veteran will earn about $500 per hour 163 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:08,303 based on a 40-hour work week for the next 25 years. 164 00:07:08,303 --> 00:07:09,888 That comes out to a nice, neat little sum 165 00:07:09,888 --> 00:07:11,973 of $25 million. 166 00:07:11,973 --> 00:07:14,142 It is the richest and the longest 167 00:07:14,142 --> 00:07:16,102 in professional sports history. 168 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:19,481 - Magic came to me and said, "I would like to be a Laker 169 00:07:19,481 --> 00:07:21,399 "throughout my entire playing career. 170 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:23,777 Could we sign a long-term contract?" 171 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:25,945 I said, "Yes, we can." 172 00:07:25,945 --> 00:07:30,742 So you have to visualize what salaries will be at that time. 173 00:07:30,742 --> 00:07:32,619 And, uh, my guess is 174 00:07:32,619 --> 00:07:36,206 for a star of Magic's caliber at that time, 175 00:07:36,206 --> 00:07:38,458 the price will be a million dollars. 176 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:42,170 So we signed him for a million dollars a year. 177 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:44,297 - People were saying that Dr. Buss was crazy, 178 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:46,633 because at that time, that-that kind of money 179 00:07:46,633 --> 00:07:49,594 goin' around the NBA was just--that was crazy. 180 00:07:50,553 --> 00:07:53,890 JOHNNY: Every owner in every league in America 181 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:57,560 was upset at my father for starting this precedent. 182 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,064 They were saying, "You're about to ruin sports." 183 00:08:01,064 --> 00:08:02,774 BUSS: What we wanted to do 184 00:08:02,774 --> 00:08:05,777 was work Magic into the front office 185 00:08:05,777 --> 00:08:08,738 after the basketball days are over. 186 00:08:08,738 --> 00:08:10,615 MAGIC: He said, "I'm gonna explain 187 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:13,493 the Laker business to you, the real business." 188 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:16,413 Took me through what season ticket holders mean, 189 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:18,164 the TV contract mean. 190 00:08:18,164 --> 00:08:21,793 He just became a father figure and a mentor 191 00:08:21,793 --> 00:08:23,878 all at the same time. 192 00:08:23,878 --> 00:08:26,923 BUSS: Magic and I kind of feel that our fortunes 193 00:08:26,923 --> 00:08:30,677 will be tied together for the foreseeable future. 194 00:08:30,677 --> 00:08:32,929 - And then all hell broke loose. 195 00:08:32,929 --> 00:08:35,890 [laughing] 196 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:39,394 Kareem was mad. Like, "What? Wait a minute. 197 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:42,355 Is he the player, or is he management now?" 198 00:08:42,897 --> 00:08:44,566 STEVEN: Kareem took it personally. 199 00:08:44,566 --> 00:08:46,776 He seemed absolutely upset. 200 00:08:46,776 --> 00:08:48,653 He referred to him as-- in the headline, 201 00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:50,030 I think it was a spoiled child. 202 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:52,615 "If this guy's worth 25 million for 25 years, 203 00:08:52,615 --> 00:08:54,409 what am I worth?" kind of thing. 204 00:08:54,409 --> 00:08:55,910 He wasn't happy about it. 205 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:58,830 DAVID: This was a contract that gave you everything 206 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:01,875 in the State of California south of Ohio. 207 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,252 Now did Kareem--was it true that he went into 208 00:09:04,252 --> 00:09:06,504 Jerry Buss' office and said, "What's the deal here?" 209 00:09:06,504 --> 00:09:08,256 - Well, he just wanted 210 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:10,675 all the rest of California and Phoenix. 211 00:09:10,675 --> 00:09:12,260 [both laughing] 212 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:15,221 - I just understood it in terms of it being, um, 213 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:16,973 he was a key employee. 214 00:09:16,973 --> 00:09:19,434 You wanna keep him as long as you can. 215 00:09:19,434 --> 00:09:22,270 And, you know, I-I wasn't gonna get jealous. 216 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,564 They weren't gonna give me 25 years. 217 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:26,483 [laughs[ And they didn't-- 218 00:09:26,483 --> 00:09:29,944 they wouldn't wanna be paying me when I was 50. 219 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:32,030 [moody music] 220 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:35,950 JAMAAL: The contract certainly represented their closeness, 221 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:38,536 and it raised a question of, 222 00:09:38,536 --> 00:09:41,289 "Is he one of us or one of them?" 223 00:09:41,289 --> 00:09:45,043 - Whew, man. It was like nobody liked me. 224 00:09:46,753 --> 00:09:49,589 "Don't speak to him. Don't say nothing to him. 225 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:52,675 Uh...we wanna see what he's made of." 226 00:09:52,675 --> 00:09:54,094 All that, man. 227 00:09:54,094 --> 00:09:56,763 It's like I didn't have a friend in the world. 228 00:09:56,763 --> 00:09:59,599 Matter of fact, they had a meeting about it. 229 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,810 [laughing] 230 00:10:01,810 --> 00:10:05,271 And they came to me and said, 231 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:07,649 "Earvin, you know, it's a unwritten rule. 232 00:10:07,649 --> 00:10:10,193 You can't be close with the owner." 233 00:10:10,193 --> 00:10:12,737 And I said, "Well, I don't care 234 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:14,531 "about no unwritten rule. 235 00:10:14,531 --> 00:10:17,700 "I'm going to be close with Dr. Buss, 236 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:20,203 and you guys can't make me stop." 237 00:10:20,203 --> 00:10:22,789 JAMAAL: If we're talking in the locker room or the shower 238 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:24,332 and, you know, we're talking 239 00:10:24,332 --> 00:10:27,001 about what players talk about off the record, 240 00:10:27,001 --> 00:10:29,170 is he gonna go back and report it to management? 241 00:10:29,170 --> 00:10:30,255 - You can't go out to dinner with the owner 242 00:10:30,255 --> 00:10:31,714 three nights in a row 243 00:10:31,714 --> 00:10:33,508 and then come sit in the locker room with everybody. 244 00:10:33,508 --> 00:10:34,717 PERSON: Well, that's what Magic did. 245 00:10:34,717 --> 00:10:38,263 - And everybody was like this. [chuckles] 246 00:10:38,263 --> 00:10:40,306 - Now, wait a minute. 247 00:10:40,306 --> 00:10:44,269 I never told Dr. Buss one story 248 00:10:44,269 --> 00:10:48,481 about any story that I heard on the bus, 249 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:50,608 on the plane, in the locker room, 250 00:10:50,608 --> 00:10:53,319 and then when we're out at a nightclub partying. 251 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:57,615 I never said anything to Dr. Buss about your life, 252 00:10:57,615 --> 00:10:59,576 my life, my private life. 253 00:10:59,576 --> 00:11:03,121 Never. Matter of fact, he's never asked me. 254 00:11:03,121 --> 00:11:05,290 - Whether you're talking to the owner or not, 255 00:11:05,290 --> 00:11:07,417 it would be perceived that way. 256 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:09,836 You know, that's a very thin line. 257 00:11:09,836 --> 00:11:11,588 - And we walked out. I said, "Listen, man. 258 00:11:11,588 --> 00:11:14,924 I'm here to play basketball. I'm here to win." 259 00:11:14,924 --> 00:11:16,926 - I didn't get involved in those kinds of discussions. 260 00:11:16,926 --> 00:11:18,595 They didn't ask me what I thought about 261 00:11:18,595 --> 00:11:20,346 what somebody should get paid, 262 00:11:20,346 --> 00:11:22,390 and so my thing was always about, 263 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:23,808 "How do we keep this together?" 264 00:11:29,939 --> 00:11:31,399 JAMAAL: Coach Riley had been a player. 265 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,026 He'd been in the booth. He had been around. 266 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:35,320 So we all had a relationship with him. 267 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,488 It wasn't like he was a stranger. 268 00:11:37,488 --> 00:11:41,659 KURT: Pat Riley came in, and he was like one of us. 269 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:44,287 We'd hang out in bars after games and drink. 270 00:11:44,287 --> 00:11:46,164 He was just like one of the players. 271 00:11:46,164 --> 00:11:49,167 PAT: Well, I was with Kurt, 'cause he's an alcoholic. 272 00:11:49,167 --> 00:11:51,085 [laughs] 273 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:52,462 No, he wasn't. 274 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,341 Now I'm a real coach... [laughs] okay? 275 00:11:56,341 --> 00:11:57,508 Here's what coaches do. 276 00:11:57,508 --> 00:11:59,969 They stand up and they yell and scream. 277 00:11:59,969 --> 00:12:02,639 And they wave their arms all over the place, 278 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,015 and they put fingers in the air or two up, 279 00:12:04,015 --> 00:12:07,018 one up, three up, whatever it. Fist up. 280 00:12:07,018 --> 00:12:10,480 And I can remember Magic one time looking over to me, 281 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,857 and he just waved me off. 282 00:12:12,857 --> 00:12:14,609 I talked to him in the next day at practice, 283 00:12:14,609 --> 00:12:17,487 and he said, "Coach, we love you to death, man." 284 00:12:17,487 --> 00:12:19,322 He said, "But could you just sit down? 285 00:12:19,322 --> 00:12:21,491 [laughing] Just sit down a little bit." 286 00:12:21,491 --> 00:12:24,160 He said, "I got this. We got this." 287 00:12:25,286 --> 00:12:27,747 After talking to Magic, I sat down too much, 288 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,540 and then I wasn't doing anything. 289 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:32,669 And then we had somewhat of a spell where we're losing. 290 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:36,965 Dr. Buss called me in 291 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:39,050 and didn't talk about basketball or anything. 292 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:40,927 Talked about his family, his background, 293 00:12:40,927 --> 00:12:44,055 where he's from, all this stuff, asked about me. 294 00:12:44,055 --> 00:12:46,140 And then at the end he's, "Pat, just coach. 295 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:49,852 "Just be a coach, you know? And don't worry about it. 296 00:12:49,852 --> 00:12:52,981 Don't be afraid of whatever. Go out there and coach." 297 00:12:52,981 --> 00:12:54,649 ANNOUNCER: And now the starting lineup 298 00:12:54,649 --> 00:12:56,734 of the Los Angeles Lakers. 299 00:12:56,734 --> 00:12:59,279 PAT: The Lakers had a struggle last year. 300 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,739 We lost our World Championship, 301 00:13:01,739 --> 00:13:03,449 but we're going to get it back. 302 00:13:03,449 --> 00:13:05,535 ANNOUNCER: Head coach, Pat Riley. 303 00:13:05,535 --> 00:13:08,121 KURT: Everybody loved him, everybody loved the situation 304 00:13:08,121 --> 00:13:09,831 that he had brought to the team 305 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:13,084 and the freedom that he kind of recreated. 306 00:13:13,084 --> 00:13:14,711 He opened up the gates again. 307 00:13:14,711 --> 00:13:16,004 Said, "You know, we're gonna run. 308 00:13:16,004 --> 00:13:17,588 I'm gonna trust you guys." 309 00:13:17,588 --> 00:13:19,882 SPORTSCASTER: Right side, in deep, bank of... 310 00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:22,051 ANNOUNCER: Having to ply your craft at the Forum 311 00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:25,596 in Los Angeles is a difficult task for any coach. 312 00:13:25,596 --> 00:13:27,140 After all, they're used to winners here, 313 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,642 and it's Hollywood, so you have to put on a show. 314 00:13:29,642 --> 00:13:31,602 How well has Pat Riley done? 315 00:13:31,602 --> 00:13:33,813 Well, the record speaks for itself. 316 00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:35,440 NORM: We started playing happy again. 317 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,941 We got back into our system 318 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:40,778 and playing the style of play that we played in 1980. 319 00:13:40,778 --> 00:13:42,572 ♪ ♪ 320 00:13:42,572 --> 00:13:45,450 MITCH: I signed as a free agent with the Lakers in 1981, 321 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:49,704 and I got hurt, like, the end of December, my first year. 322 00:13:49,704 --> 00:13:50,997 ANNOUNCER: Left side of Magic. Down the middle of Kupchak. 323 00:13:50,997 --> 00:13:53,541 Kupchak runs over a man. Kupchak's hurt. 324 00:13:53,541 --> 00:13:55,835 - Joe "Jellybean" Bryant steps in front of me 325 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,086 to draw a charge, 326 00:13:57,086 --> 00:14:00,590 and I planted my left foot to try to stop. 327 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:02,341 You know, I never felt anything like that. 328 00:14:02,341 --> 00:14:04,427 So I knew something was really wrong, 329 00:14:04,427 --> 00:14:05,678 and I missed close to two years. 330 00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:07,555 REPORTER: What's it feel like to have to spend 331 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:09,140 Christmas day in a hospital? 332 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:11,142 - Well, it's not the best possible situation 333 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,393 for me to be in, 334 00:14:12,393 --> 00:14:14,812 but it was a way for me to get my parents 335 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:17,106 to stay out here for a couple extra days. 336 00:14:17,106 --> 00:14:19,525 Dr. Buss stood by me when I got injured, 337 00:14:19,525 --> 00:14:23,154 and not only that, he hired me as a scout. 338 00:14:23,154 --> 00:14:26,157 BOB: Mitch Kupchak tore his knee up, 339 00:14:26,157 --> 00:14:30,620 and they needed another power forward type/center. 340 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:32,121 And I was out there. 341 00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:33,915 REPORTER: On Christmas Eve, 1981, 342 00:14:33,915 --> 00:14:37,085 Bob McAdoo is asked to sign up with the LA Lakers. 343 00:14:37,085 --> 00:14:39,253 REPORTER: McAdoo was the league's most valuable player 344 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:42,006 in 1975, the league's scoring champ three times, 345 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,716 and he owns a career scoring average 346 00:14:43,716 --> 00:14:45,968 of 26.4 points per game. 347 00:14:45,968 --> 00:14:49,055 - I had done everything individually that a player 348 00:14:49,055 --> 00:14:50,640 could do in the league. 349 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,809 I needed a championship. 350 00:14:52,809 --> 00:14:55,561 ANNOUNCER: Great defense by McAdoo from the corner. 351 00:14:55,561 --> 00:14:57,230 STEVEN: That power forward is Bob McAdoo, 352 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:59,732 the former MVP, former scoring leader. 353 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:02,110 And he's there for one reason. He wants a ring. 354 00:15:02,110 --> 00:15:03,903 And then you've got Kurt Rambis. 355 00:15:03,903 --> 00:15:06,489 And he was just there because he wanted to play basketball. 356 00:15:06,489 --> 00:15:08,783 KURT: We were in Indiana. 357 00:15:08,783 --> 00:15:10,535 I'm a rookie. I'm not playing. 358 00:15:10,535 --> 00:15:13,079 I'm just hanging out, watching the game, and stuff like that. 359 00:15:13,079 --> 00:15:16,415 And Riley points down at the end of the bench and goes, 360 00:15:16,415 --> 00:15:21,003 "You. Yeah, you. Get in." 361 00:15:21,003 --> 00:15:24,757 And I went in and focused on defense and rebounding, 362 00:15:24,757 --> 00:15:26,551 and I did a good job 363 00:15:26,551 --> 00:15:28,427 and ended up starting the rest of the year. 364 00:15:28,427 --> 00:15:30,388 ANNOUNCER: Starting at forward in his first year 365 00:15:30,388 --> 00:15:34,517 from Santa Clara, number 31, Kurt Rambis. 366 00:15:34,517 --> 00:15:36,561 ANNOUNCER: They've shot to the lead of the Pacific Division 367 00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:37,770 in just two months. 368 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:40,398 The brand of basketball is exciting. 369 00:15:40,398 --> 00:15:42,233 Whatever the Lakers didn't do for Westhead 370 00:15:42,233 --> 00:15:44,610 they're doing now for their new head coach. 371 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:47,155 JEANIE: I'll never forget the day, I said, "Hey, Riles." 372 00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:49,115 And he stopped me and he said, 373 00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:53,786 "Gotta start calling me Coach. I'm Coach now." 374 00:15:55,163 --> 00:15:59,625 We saw him transform and take on that leadership role. 375 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:01,544 - That's when he went with the haircuts 376 00:16:01,544 --> 00:16:03,421 and the suits and everything, 377 00:16:03,421 --> 00:16:05,756 and he started looking more like a mafia don 378 00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:08,217 than a basketball coach. [laughs] 379 00:16:08,217 --> 00:16:10,970 - Riley's look was so iconic 380 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,890 that multiple people stole it for movies. 381 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:16,684 Kurt Russell steals Pat's look. 382 00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:19,770 Michael Douglas steals Pat's look. 383 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:22,231 - Before that, he looked like a hippie, 384 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:24,775 and I don't mean that disrespectfully. 385 00:16:24,775 --> 00:16:26,360 I mean that respectfully. 386 00:16:27,612 --> 00:16:29,947 NORM: The money was different. He can afford suits now. 387 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:33,326 You know, he was the coach of Showtime Lakers. 388 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:36,871 He's been handed a championship team, 389 00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:40,416 and all he has to do is just get on the backs and ride it. 390 00:16:40,416 --> 00:16:43,794 STEVEN: He was like a cowboy who turned his horse loose 391 00:16:43,794 --> 00:16:44,795 and let him romp through the meadows. 392 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:46,505 They got their game back. 393 00:16:46,505 --> 00:16:48,758 They got their ability to do the fast break back. 394 00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:50,301 They got showtime back, and they-- 395 00:16:50,301 --> 00:16:52,929 so they were just thrilled to play for him. 396 00:16:52,929 --> 00:16:55,389 [quiet music] 397 00:16:55,389 --> 00:16:57,808 JULIUS: '82, we were representing 398 00:16:57,808 --> 00:17:00,686 the Eastern Conference again. [laughs] 399 00:17:00,686 --> 00:17:02,897 I'm not gonna say that we were overconfident, 400 00:17:02,897 --> 00:17:04,649 under-confident, or anything. 401 00:17:04,649 --> 00:17:07,652 We just know that, you know, 402 00:17:07,652 --> 00:17:09,946 we were trying to climb a mountain. 403 00:17:09,946 --> 00:17:11,697 ANNOUNCER: Welcome to game one 404 00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:13,407 of the NBA World Championship Series. 405 00:17:13,407 --> 00:17:16,202 The Lakers against the 76ers. 406 00:17:16,202 --> 00:17:18,120 And it promises perhaps to be 407 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:21,207 the fastest-paced championship series of all time. 408 00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:23,751 - Jerry, no man in the history of sports 409 00:17:23,751 --> 00:17:25,419 has ever purchased a franchise 410 00:17:25,419 --> 00:17:28,839 and reached the championship round two out of three years. 411 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:30,174 - Ah, that pleases me very well. 412 00:17:30,174 --> 00:17:31,676 Now we just gotta win it, Chick. 413 00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:33,636 - Well, you've got the ingredients to win it. 414 00:17:33,636 --> 00:17:34,887 I think that you'll have to say that. 415 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:38,099 - In 1982, the Lakers and the 76ers met again. 416 00:17:38,099 --> 00:17:41,561 And, uh, this time, I didn't see it as an even match. 417 00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:43,062 ANNOUNCER: This is a lightning-fast team, 418 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:45,231 maybe the best fast break team of all time. 419 00:17:45,231 --> 00:17:47,191 I'm talking about the Lakers. - Rambis to Nixon... 420 00:17:47,191 --> 00:17:48,734 over the shoulder pass to Rambis. 421 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:50,278 On to Wilkes! 422 00:17:50,278 --> 00:17:52,280 STEVEN: It was still a tough series to win six games, 423 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,407 but you never had the feeling they were gonna lose. 424 00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:56,367 ANNOUNCER: Number six. 425 00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:59,453 Lakers lead three games to two. 426 00:17:59,453 --> 00:18:04,041 - All the press was Julius Erving getting a championship. 427 00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:05,126 And I said to myself, 428 00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:07,420 "He'll get this over my dead body." 429 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:08,838 And I meant it. 430 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,132 [dramatic music] 431 00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:13,634 JULIUS: He was probably very hungry...[laughing] 432 00:18:13,634 --> 00:18:15,136 for a title. 433 00:18:15,136 --> 00:18:19,724 So we gave Bob McAdoo his appropriate respect. 434 00:18:19,724 --> 00:18:21,642 ANNOUNCER: At the other end is Erving. 435 00:18:21,642 --> 00:18:24,395 Here comes a long pass. He's got it. He's underneath. 436 00:18:24,395 --> 00:18:26,689 He has a block by McAdoo from behind. 437 00:18:26,689 --> 00:18:29,358 McAdoo blocked the shot to Cooper to Wilkes. 438 00:18:29,358 --> 00:18:31,986 Wilkes all the way to Kareem. Slam dunk. 439 00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:33,237 [crowd cheering] 440 00:18:33,237 --> 00:18:34,739 NORM: Riley just... 441 00:18:34,739 --> 00:18:37,700 rode that thing to a championship, man. 442 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,328 ANNOUNCER: Three. Two. One. 443 00:18:40,328 --> 00:18:42,705 The Lakers are the World Champions! 444 00:18:42,705 --> 00:18:45,333 [crowd cheering] 445 00:18:45,333 --> 00:18:49,920 [stirring music] 446 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:56,927 ♪ ♪ 447 00:18:56,927 --> 00:18:59,096 BRANDON: Congratulations. Fantastic job. 448 00:18:59,096 --> 00:19:00,473 PAT: I'll tell you what, Brandon. 449 00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:02,224 The players deserve all the credit, 450 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:04,101 because they're the ones that play. 451 00:19:04,101 --> 00:19:05,853 They trusted me early in the season 452 00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:07,647 when I didn't know what I was doing, 453 00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:08,981 and we've come a long way. 454 00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:11,108 BRANDON: When did this team start to believe 455 00:19:11,108 --> 00:19:12,401 in your leadership? 456 00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:14,320 PAT: Well, I just think they believed in themselves. 457 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,989 I always thought they just started throwing a little bit. 458 00:19:16,989 --> 00:19:18,741 Hit him. Right here. Doing it! 459 00:19:18,741 --> 00:19:21,410 Thank you, Brandon. Thank you, everyone. 460 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:22,995 - Congratulations. Let's grab-- 461 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,413 ANNOUNCER: The Lakers have won two of the last three. 462 00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:25,915 So, Larry, 463 00:19:25,915 --> 00:19:28,167 make the presentation to Jerry Buss here on a big day. 464 00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:30,378 [cheers and applause] 465 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:33,381 BUSS: Larry, I'm going to accept this trophy 466 00:19:33,381 --> 00:19:36,676 on behalf of the fans of the Lakers. 467 00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:42,348 I know there are millions and millions and millions of fans 468 00:19:42,348 --> 00:19:45,810 who watched this game tonight, and wherever you are, 469 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:50,523 I want you to know the team won it for you, the fans. 470 00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:52,441 Thank you very much. 471 00:19:52,858 --> 00:19:56,112 [upbeat music] 472 00:19:56,112 --> 00:20:00,074 ♪ ♪ 473 00:20:00,074 --> 00:20:03,452 KAREEM: Being able to win two championships in three years 474 00:20:03,452 --> 00:20:05,204 is really gratifying. 475 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,748 To see the whole city come together, 476 00:20:07,748 --> 00:20:10,960 Spanish language theater downtown 477 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,295 is congratulating us in Spanish, 478 00:20:13,295 --> 00:20:16,006 Chinatown, 479 00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:18,718 all the different ethnic enclaves. 480 00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:20,803 They all seem to be Laker fans. 481 00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:27,017 TODD: L. A. is a city where, you know, 482 00:20:27,017 --> 00:20:30,521 as Wu-Tang would say form like Voltron, right? 483 00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:33,107 I mean, so you have, like, all these different cities, 484 00:20:33,107 --> 00:20:35,568 different communities, different areas 485 00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:40,197 that are in many ways their own unique entity. 486 00:20:40,197 --> 00:20:43,993 What the Lakers do is, with their success, 487 00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:45,494 they're able to help 488 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:50,541 create a more cohesive sense of the city. 489 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:53,169 FLEA: When I moved to L. A., 490 00:20:53,169 --> 00:20:55,337 my high school was like a third white, 491 00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:58,424 a third Black, a third Latino, 10% Asian. 492 00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:00,217 And everyone had different music they liked. 493 00:21:00,217 --> 00:21:02,720 But everybody loved Earth, Wind & Fire. 494 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,513 The music was transcendent. 495 00:21:04,513 --> 00:21:07,683 And with basketball and with the Lakers, 496 00:21:07,683 --> 00:21:11,103 it felt the same way is that gave me that feeling. 497 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:12,772 BUSS: We wanted to put on a show. 498 00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:14,440 We wanted to entertain the people. 499 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,486 We wanted it to be very indigenous to Los Angeles. 500 00:21:18,486 --> 00:21:21,655 And the Lakers do have the personality of Los Angeles. 501 00:21:21,655 --> 00:21:23,324 - Oh, yeah. It's real. Don't come off. 502 00:21:23,324 --> 00:21:24,992 Yeah, I figured, well, 503 00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:26,452 the Lakers can't win championships forever, 504 00:21:26,452 --> 00:21:28,829 but I can keep their memory on my arm forever. 505 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:32,958 PERSON: You know when you're here in L. A. 506 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:34,376 and you want to entertain yourself, 507 00:21:34,376 --> 00:21:37,296 you'll go to a concert, you'll go to a Dodger game, 508 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:38,964 you'll go to the race tracks. 509 00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:40,925 What he loves is that all the people that he's admired 510 00:21:40,925 --> 00:21:43,177 all his life, when they want to entertain themself, 511 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:44,845 they come here to the Forum. 512 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:46,347 ANNOUNCER: Jerry Buss not only bought himself 513 00:21:46,347 --> 00:21:49,642 some well-known numbers, he bought some fancy company. 514 00:21:49,642 --> 00:21:51,894 The Forum may be in Englewood 515 00:21:51,894 --> 00:21:54,438 and the team names may say Los Angeles, 516 00:21:54,438 --> 00:21:56,899 but some nights, it's all Hollywood 517 00:21:56,899 --> 00:22:00,694 JEANIE: Laker games were known to have celebrities. 518 00:22:00,694 --> 00:22:03,113 JAMAAL: And not just a game every now and then. 519 00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:04,782 They were there all the time. 520 00:22:04,782 --> 00:22:06,617 They may have been stars in Hollywood, 521 00:22:06,617 --> 00:22:09,119 but for two hours, they were Laker fans. 522 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,496 Pure and simple. 523 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:12,957 - What they say? Celebrities watching celebrities. 524 00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:15,668 [laughing] 525 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:17,253 - The NBA bought into it too. 526 00:22:17,253 --> 00:22:19,630 Because here you are, you got a team that's in Hollywood, 527 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:21,423 and all these big stars at the game. 528 00:22:21,423 --> 00:22:24,260 And this team played this fast-paced kind of game. 529 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:26,595 It fit the whole narrative, you know. 530 00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:29,640 What he was trying to create-- his persona. 531 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,517 JAMAAL: He was made for it, you know. 532 00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:35,896 I mean, he was the ringleader, and he thoroughly enjoyed it. 533 00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:37,565 And we watched him enjoy it, 534 00:22:37,565 --> 00:22:38,899 and we enjoyed watching him enjoy it. 535 00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:40,359 You know what I mean? 536 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,986 And he enjoyed watching us enjoy it. 537 00:22:41,986 --> 00:22:44,280 I mean, it was that kind of thing. 538 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,325 - He became... this overnight celebrity. 539 00:22:48,325 --> 00:22:51,370 [disco music] 540 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:54,874 PERSON: And then he created the Forum Club. 541 00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:58,168 MAGIC: I gotta have a spot after the game 542 00:22:58,168 --> 00:23:00,504 that everybody want to get in. 543 00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:02,548 I'ma create the Forum Club. 544 00:23:04,466 --> 00:23:06,093 JEANIE: He was going to games every night. 545 00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:08,596 So instead of saying, "Hey, tonight we're going out 546 00:23:08,596 --> 00:23:11,223 to this restaurant or out to this club," 547 00:23:11,223 --> 00:23:14,059 it was now at the Forum. 548 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:15,769 NORM: All those people you saw on the floor, 549 00:23:15,769 --> 00:23:18,355 they would be in the Forum Club after the game. 550 00:23:18,355 --> 00:23:19,773 - That was the place to be. 551 00:23:19,773 --> 00:23:23,235 You know, I was upset when I missed it, you know? 552 00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:25,988 JEANIE: My dad would take the center table 553 00:23:25,988 --> 00:23:28,407 that everybody could see if they walked by, 554 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:32,411 and he made sure that his table was full of celebrities. 555 00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:34,330 - It was like the Roman Empire, okay? 556 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:37,333 You'd walk into the left, and there was a big dinner. 557 00:23:37,333 --> 00:23:41,879 - I got so many calls from so many athletes, celebrities. 558 00:23:41,879 --> 00:23:44,298 "Hey, you think you can talk to Dr. Buss 559 00:23:44,298 --> 00:23:46,926 that I can sit at his table for dinner?" 560 00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:48,594 [laughing] 561 00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:51,430 JOHN: We didn't have curfew at any other city except L. A. 562 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,642 and for good reason. 563 00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:56,143 You hurry up, took a shower, 564 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:59,897 and you went up the back stairways to the Forum Club. 565 00:23:59,897 --> 00:24:01,899 I probably did the fastest shower I've ever took. 566 00:24:01,899 --> 00:24:04,234 I think I got my hand wet. 567 00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:08,364 You walk in, and there's every color girl. 568 00:24:08,364 --> 00:24:10,866 There's, I mean, fine. 569 00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:15,746 It was not a ugly soul in the whole spot. 570 00:24:15,746 --> 00:24:18,248 MICHAEL: Forum Club was a magnificent place. 571 00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:21,085 That's the second-best place on Earth to be 572 00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:22,836 other than the Playboy Mansion. 573 00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:25,089 I was married at the time, 574 00:24:25,089 --> 00:24:26,674 so the only time I went to the Forum Club 575 00:24:26,674 --> 00:24:28,342 was with my wife in my hand, 576 00:24:28,342 --> 00:24:30,970 and I always kept my blinders on. 577 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:33,263 So I was just looking straight ahead, 578 00:24:33,263 --> 00:24:35,516 'cause I knew I'd hear about it. 579 00:24:35,516 --> 00:24:37,893 - When you looked at our team back then, 580 00:24:37,893 --> 00:24:41,814 everybody was married except for me and Magic. 581 00:24:41,814 --> 00:24:43,899 JOHNNY: One time I was just sitting there 582 00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:46,276 and a player came out of this 583 00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:50,489 office closet area with a woman, a little disheveled, 584 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:55,411 and the player said, "Wow, that was great." 585 00:24:55,411 --> 00:24:57,329 - One night I'd like to be single. 586 00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:59,623 [laughing] 587 00:24:59,623 --> 00:25:01,709 INTERVIEWER: Was cocaine all up in the Forum Club 588 00:25:01,709 --> 00:25:02,960 to your knowledge? 589 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,129 ROB: There was the Forum Club, 590 00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:09,383 and then there was the Press Lounge. 591 00:25:09,383 --> 00:25:13,220 The real action went on in the Press Lounge, to be truthful. 592 00:25:13,220 --> 00:25:14,972 There was a guy, 593 00:25:14,972 --> 00:25:17,391 and I was always very happy that he was there. 594 00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:19,518 - Oh, well, one thing, uh, I can tell you for sure, 595 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:21,353 it wasn't me. 596 00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:25,274 - The Lakers, the Kings, the Forum, 597 00:25:25,274 --> 00:25:28,027 you know, the family-- everything's going right. 598 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:30,404 Our lives had totally changed. 599 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,283 JEANIE: Selling tickets-- 600 00:25:34,283 --> 00:25:38,203 that was just to gain the first experience. 601 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:40,247 Then he would try to find 602 00:25:40,247 --> 00:25:43,751 a place for you that would fit your personality. 603 00:25:43,751 --> 00:25:46,336 - He wanted to be just like the Kennedys, you know, 604 00:25:46,336 --> 00:25:49,506 and he wanted to see his children 605 00:25:49,506 --> 00:25:51,717 take over the business. 606 00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:53,761 ♪ ♪ 607 00:25:53,761 --> 00:25:57,097 BUSS: At some time in the future, I will retire. 608 00:25:57,097 --> 00:26:00,017 And, uh, I would like to continue 609 00:26:00,017 --> 00:26:02,728 to operate the Forum as a family business. 610 00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:04,688 But they're going to need experience in order 611 00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:07,483 to direct something the size of the Forum 612 00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:09,401 and the Lakers and the Kings. 613 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:11,737 [energetic music] 614 00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:14,448 - So I want to introduce you to 19-year-old general manager 615 00:26:14,448 --> 00:26:16,325 of the Los Angeles Strings, Jeanie Buss. 616 00:26:16,325 --> 00:26:18,285 She's the daughter of Forum, Kings, 617 00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:20,287 Lakers owner, Jerry Buss. 618 00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:22,873 And, Jeanie, you're gonna be a junior at USC 619 00:26:22,873 --> 00:26:24,416 majoring in business administration. 620 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:25,918 So let me ask you a business or finance question. 621 00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:28,045 How is Team Tennis going financially this year? 622 00:26:28,045 --> 00:26:29,713 - It's going pretty well. 623 00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:32,800 I stand to lose a little bit, but not as much as my dad lost 624 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,135 in the first time with Team Tennis. 625 00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:36,261 - Martina is playing Billy-- 626 00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:38,514 JEANIE: Prior to my dad buying the Lakers, 627 00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:42,017 he owned a team in World Team Tennis. 628 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,438 When he asked if I wanted to run the team, 629 00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:49,441 I was like, "Of course, yes. Yeah." 630 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,944 And I said, "This is great. Now I can quit school." 631 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:54,488 And he said, "No, no, no, no. No." 632 00:26:54,488 --> 00:26:56,532 It's like, "You have to go to school, 633 00:26:56,532 --> 00:26:58,242 "and you can have the job. 634 00:26:58,242 --> 00:27:01,745 But if you--you can't take the job and quit school." 635 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,124 CLAIRE: Jerry believed 636 00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:08,794 that you should throw people into the pool, 637 00:27:08,794 --> 00:27:12,881 and if they can swim, they survive. 638 00:27:12,881 --> 00:27:17,302 And I felt...sorry for them, 639 00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:20,347 because they were thrown into things 640 00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:23,684 that they didn't understand. 641 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:30,357 JOHNNY: My dad called me, and he says, "You know, 642 00:27:30,357 --> 00:27:34,194 the funniest thing happened. I get a call from the MISL," 643 00:27:34,194 --> 00:27:37,030 which is Major Indoor Soccer League, 644 00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:41,577 "And they want us to field a team in Los Angeles." 645 00:27:41,577 --> 00:27:43,620 REPORTER: This is son John Buss. 646 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:45,706 He's the president of the Los Angeles Lasers, 647 00:27:45,706 --> 00:27:47,374 an indoor soccer team. 648 00:27:47,374 --> 00:27:49,543 JOHNNY: My dad said, "Johnny, you take over the Lasers. 649 00:27:49,543 --> 00:27:52,045 You do what needs to be done." 650 00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:53,130 And I rarely, 651 00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:55,007 maybe once or twice a year, 652 00:27:55,007 --> 00:27:57,426 ever talk to him about the business 653 00:27:57,426 --> 00:27:59,469 of the Indoor Soccer League. 654 00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:02,014 JANIE: Johnny's the oldest, 655 00:28:02,014 --> 00:28:05,475 and there were a lot of probably pressures 656 00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:07,686 that I can't relate to. 657 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,939 My dad kind of threw them into the fire, 658 00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:13,400 because that's the only way you're gonna learn. 659 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,818 REPORTER: But what is it besides cheering 660 00:28:14,818 --> 00:28:17,237 that a general manager does? During the season, 661 00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:19,364 Jeanie's here every day keeping track 662 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:21,992 of what's happening in tennis, because after all, 663 00:28:21,992 --> 00:28:25,078 she will want to draft the best players available, 664 00:28:25,078 --> 00:28:27,372 a trait she hope runs in the family. 665 00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:31,209 - Right after we decided that she would run the franchise, 666 00:28:31,209 --> 00:28:32,794 the draft came up. 667 00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:36,506 She brought in a sheet of paper with all of the names and said, 668 00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:38,508 "Well, let's draft the team." 669 00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:40,302 - He looked at the list and then looked at me, 670 00:28:40,302 --> 00:28:42,596 and he said, "I want you to do it." 671 00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:43,889 - And she said, "Well, I thought 672 00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:45,432 you'd give me some suggestions." 673 00:28:45,432 --> 00:28:47,476 - He said, "I want you to have the responsibility. 674 00:28:47,476 --> 00:28:50,354 "I want you to know what it feels like when people say, 675 00:28:50,354 --> 00:28:51,855 "'What have you done? What have you picked?' 676 00:28:51,855 --> 00:28:55,150 I want you to get the blame or to get the recognition." 677 00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:56,360 - "Let's make no mistake about it. 678 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,236 It's your team, it's your ball game, 679 00:28:58,236 --> 00:29:00,322 and it's up to you." 680 00:29:00,322 --> 00:29:02,866 JOHNNY: This was grooming for, you know, 681 00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:04,952 what he wanted us to do, 682 00:29:04,952 --> 00:29:08,997 and that was to be involved in a family business. 683 00:29:08,997 --> 00:29:11,625 JIM: It was John does the Lasers. 684 00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:13,168 Jeanie does the Strings. 685 00:29:13,168 --> 00:29:14,503 And so at the Forum, 686 00:29:14,503 --> 00:29:17,214 my dad had it pretty much running like a machine. 687 00:29:17,214 --> 00:29:19,925 And it wasn't--I wasn't-- I was part of the machine 688 00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:23,095 but not an intricate part of the machine. 689 00:29:23,095 --> 00:29:25,347 But never did I say, "Well, gosh, it would be nice 690 00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:27,140 if I had a team or something like that." 691 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:29,059 No. 692 00:29:29,935 --> 00:29:34,356 JANIE: I could see jealousy, uh, between... 693 00:29:34,356 --> 00:29:35,774 well, all of us. 694 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,776 I mean, I think we were all-- 695 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,696 well, I know I was a bit jealous of Jeanie, 696 00:29:40,696 --> 00:29:44,116 but she's older than me, so she got the opportunity 697 00:29:44,116 --> 00:29:47,744 before I got a chance to do something. 698 00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:50,205 - Janie's jealous that Jeanie did this. 699 00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:53,917 Or Jimmy's jealous of Jeanie, and Jeanie's jealous of me. 700 00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:56,837 And, you know, it was that jealousy kind of thing. 701 00:29:56,837 --> 00:29:59,089 - They might have been, um, you know, 702 00:29:59,089 --> 00:30:01,675 intimidated by my ambition, 703 00:30:01,675 --> 00:30:07,305 but it was more the media that I got the center stage, 704 00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:09,850 that I got the spotlight. 705 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:13,311 I got a lot of attention because I was a woman 706 00:30:13,311 --> 00:30:17,983 in a traditionally, you know, male sports world. 707 00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:22,696 And, you know, that probably was frustrating for them, 708 00:30:22,696 --> 00:30:24,698 but that, I couldn't help. 709 00:30:24,698 --> 00:30:26,992 INTERVIEWER: What's the future? What do you really want to do? 710 00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:28,660 Hope to replace your father at the top? 711 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:32,247 - Yeah, I've already told him that. He knows that. 712 00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:36,960 I think he's kind of surprised that his daughter 713 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,589 would be saying that and really wanting to fill his shoes. 714 00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:43,341 But I think someday I could do it. 715 00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:44,926 INTERVIEWER: What about the idea 716 00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:47,345 that there's been just too much too soon for Jeanie? 717 00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:51,516 - Oh, certainly, there's that possibility, uh... 718 00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:57,481 And I think any conscionable father would think of that. 719 00:30:57,481 --> 00:30:59,775 On the other hand, sooner or later, 720 00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:02,486 she's going to have to come to grips with that. 721 00:31:02,486 --> 00:31:04,529 [edgy music] 722 00:31:04,529 --> 00:31:06,156 JEANIE: That's when he said, 723 00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:08,825 "Jeanie, I want you to meet Linda Zafrani." 724 00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:11,953 DEBBIE: I was working for Playboy, 725 00:31:11,953 --> 00:31:14,790 and Dr. Buss was dating my little sister, 726 00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:18,043 who was also working for Playboy. 727 00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:21,546 Dr. Buss, he was onto the next young beauty, 728 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:24,674 and my sister was devastated. 729 00:31:24,674 --> 00:31:27,052 So I called Dr. Buss up, and I said, 730 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:29,137 "I don't think it's fair, what you did to Debbie, 731 00:31:29,137 --> 00:31:31,598 and I think you should marry her." 732 00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:34,101 He's like, "I'm not gonna marry her, 733 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:37,938 "but I appreciate how you stuck up for her. 734 00:31:37,938 --> 00:31:41,817 And I wonder, would you consider working for me?" 735 00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:45,237 JEANIE: My dad said, "I want you and Linda 736 00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:46,863 to work together." 737 00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:49,282 As he explained it, 738 00:31:49,282 --> 00:31:52,577 "Linda's got that street smart toughness 739 00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:55,622 that I think you need." 740 00:31:55,622 --> 00:31:59,084 LINDA: He wanted someone that he thought she could trust 741 00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:02,587 to help facilitate her ability to do both things, 742 00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:05,882 go to school and work. 743 00:32:05,882 --> 00:32:08,927 And even though she had older brothers, 744 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,513 she was the front-facing person. 745 00:32:11,513 --> 00:32:13,598 So she had added stress. 746 00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:23,400 STEVEN: In 1982, there was another big coin flip. 747 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,484 It was the Lakers against the Clippers. 748 00:32:24,484 --> 00:32:25,819 Lakers had the pick, 749 00:32:25,819 --> 00:32:28,196 because they had traded Don Ford to Cleveland, 750 00:32:28,196 --> 00:32:29,573 and Cleveland finished last. 751 00:32:29,573 --> 00:32:30,991 REPORTER: What do you guys feel here? 752 00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:32,325 You win the Championship, 753 00:32:32,325 --> 00:32:33,910 you're the best team in the NBA, 754 00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:36,079 and you get the number one draft pick. 755 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,749 - Well, I feel that every Championship team 756 00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:41,501 and the reason that you don't repeat 757 00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:43,295 is 'cause you don't get better. 758 00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:45,380 But this year, we'll get a little better 759 00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:46,715 with this first choice. 760 00:32:46,715 --> 00:32:49,009 And it might help us for next season. 761 00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:50,552 - Rich get richer? 762 00:32:50,552 --> 00:32:52,762 - Yeah, so to speak the rich gets richer. 763 00:32:52,762 --> 00:32:53,847 [laughs] 764 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,184 ANNOUNCER: For the first pick, 765 00:32:57,184 --> 00:33:00,854 Cleveland to Los Angeles... Los Angeles. 766 00:33:00,854 --> 00:33:04,941 [dramatic music] 767 00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:07,736 ♪ ♪ 768 00:33:07,736 --> 00:33:12,407 He's 6'9, 225 pounds from North Carolina-- 769 00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:14,659 James Worthy. 770 00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,328 ANNOUNCER: Worthy helped lead the Tar Heels 771 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:19,581 to the NCAA Championship this past season as a junior. 772 00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:22,709 He chose to give up his final year of college eligibility 773 00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:26,671 and made himself available for the NBA draft. 774 00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,548 EDDIE: And you have added more excitement to a stable 775 00:33:28,548 --> 00:33:30,634 that is already plenty exciting. 776 00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:32,052 James Worthy-- didn't take you long 777 00:33:32,052 --> 00:33:34,137 to make that selection, Dr. Buss. 778 00:33:34,137 --> 00:33:37,015 - It took us a lot of thought though quite honestly, Eddie. 779 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:40,852 We were very torn between the three top people. 780 00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:42,729 They're all so good. I mean, usually this doesn't happen. 781 00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:44,397 Usually, there's one or two outstanding. 782 00:33:44,397 --> 00:33:47,901 But three outstanding players, we spent a lot of time, 783 00:33:47,901 --> 00:33:50,362 and I guess about a week or 10 days ago 784 00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:52,364 we came to the conclusion that it had to be James Worthy. 785 00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:55,033 PERSON: Do you feel with the success 786 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,534 that they've already got that you'll be able to get into 787 00:33:56,534 --> 00:33:58,870 that starting lineup right off the top? 788 00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:00,705 - That's not one of my main objectives. 789 00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:02,958 I just want to come and learn. 790 00:34:02,958 --> 00:34:04,793 I think it'll be a learning experience for me, and... 791 00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:07,212 I was a pretty good player coming outta college. 792 00:34:07,212 --> 00:34:10,674 And so I was not arrogant, but I was very confident. 793 00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:12,259 I thought I could start. 794 00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:16,930 The first week of training camp, 795 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:18,223 I would walk into the gym, 796 00:34:18,223 --> 00:34:20,350 and I would look around, and I would say, 797 00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:23,603 "Okay, there's Kareem... 798 00:34:23,603 --> 00:34:26,231 "Jamal Wilkes... 799 00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:28,483 "Norm Nixon. 800 00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:29,818 There's Magic." 801 00:34:29,818 --> 00:34:32,279 But then I saw Kurt Rambis. 802 00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:36,741 Kurt Rambis had these thick glasses on. 803 00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:38,410 Like, he looked like a science professor, 804 00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:42,247 and I said, "I can get that spot." 805 00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:45,625 KURT: My hair, my mustache, the glasses. 806 00:34:45,625 --> 00:34:49,004 It just kind of made me look like a normal person 807 00:34:49,004 --> 00:34:50,672 walkin' down the street 808 00:34:50,672 --> 00:34:53,591 and not the guy that was starting for the Lakers. 809 00:34:53,591 --> 00:34:55,135 But I could not believe 810 00:34:55,135 --> 00:34:57,762 they were bringing somebody in to take my job. 811 00:34:57,762 --> 00:35:02,350 So I did everything I possibly could to let him know, 812 00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:04,352 "If you're gonna take my job, 813 00:35:04,352 --> 00:35:06,479 you got your work cut out for you." 814 00:35:07,397 --> 00:35:10,275 - That first week, every time I got within his area 815 00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:14,654 where he operated, Kirk Rambis kicked my ass like a ragdoll. 816 00:35:14,654 --> 00:35:18,033 - [laughing] 817 00:35:18,033 --> 00:35:20,327 Yeah. That makes me feel good right now. 818 00:35:20,327 --> 00:35:21,828 [laughing] 819 00:35:21,828 --> 00:35:23,413 That-that was my intention. 820 00:35:23,413 --> 00:35:25,624 - So I humbly had to sit on the bench. 821 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,544 It was a lesson in patience 822 00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:32,255 when you're playing with the team 823 00:35:32,255 --> 00:35:35,800 that really doesn't need you right now. 824 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,802 SPORTSCASTER: Jerry, things are really on the uptick 825 00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,638 in the NBA, and I think the Lakers 826 00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:40,972 are sitting right up on top. 827 00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:42,390 You've got a very exciting ball club, 828 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:43,850 and I see that things are gonna continue. 829 00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:45,977 We have a tremendous amount of excitement 830 00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:49,189 out in Los Angeles and I think across the country. 831 00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:51,691 As more of the exciting players come into the NBA, 832 00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:54,194 I-I think there's gonna be a terrific upswing. 833 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:59,074 JEANIE: My dad always kept his eye on the business. 834 00:35:59,074 --> 00:36:02,994 Like, this wasn't just a plaything and he got lucky. 835 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:06,456 You know, he wanted his team to always be competitive. 836 00:36:07,332 --> 00:36:10,794 PERSON: The 76ers in 1983 had Dr. J, 837 00:36:10,794 --> 00:36:12,462 and they had Moses Malone 838 00:36:12,462 --> 00:36:14,923 and they had great defenders like Bobby Jones. 839 00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:16,591 They were the real deal. 840 00:36:16,591 --> 00:36:19,052 PAT: We beat 'em in '80. We beat 'em in '82. 841 00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:22,097 You know, they were ready theirs. 842 00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,932 JULIUS: Win, lose, or draw, you know, 843 00:36:23,932 --> 00:36:26,351 this doesn't define who I am. 844 00:36:26,351 --> 00:36:31,356 You know, basketball is what I do, not what I am. 845 00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:34,734 And as much as I used to tell myself that, 846 00:36:34,734 --> 00:36:37,278 you know, I realized that 847 00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:38,863 everybody didn't think that way. 848 00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:40,657 [laughing] 849 00:36:40,657 --> 00:36:43,284 And so it was a relief, you know, in '83, 850 00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:47,539 when we finally got over the hump and beat them. 851 00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:49,708 ANNOUNCER: Here he comes. 852 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,960 Well, he's off the clock. 853 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,337 [continues in background] 854 00:36:54,337 --> 00:36:57,966 BOB: Injuries. The injuries killed us. 855 00:36:57,966 --> 00:37:02,220 It was too much firepower gone. 856 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:05,348 If me, James Worthy, 857 00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:06,891 and Norm Nixon were healthy, 858 00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:08,601 no way they would beat us. 859 00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:10,270 JULIUS: Wasn't our fault you were injured. 860 00:37:10,270 --> 00:37:15,191 [laughs] And next man up's gotta do his job or whatever. 861 00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:20,572 So I don't think when you beat a team four straight times 862 00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:22,866 that they can say they were the better team. 863 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:27,871 Th-That doesn't make sense. That's delusional behavior. 864 00:37:27,871 --> 00:37:29,956 BUSS: My hat's off to the victors, 865 00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:31,416 and, uh, this is what it's all about. 866 00:37:31,416 --> 00:37:34,419 The winning, the losing, the struggle--it's great. 867 00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:36,045 PAT: I would've much rather been on the other end 868 00:37:36,045 --> 00:37:37,547 of this thing tonight, 869 00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:40,425 but I'm gonna raise my glass to them too tonight. 870 00:37:45,889 --> 00:37:47,640 JULIUS: Funny. You know what he said to me? 871 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,560 He says, "Got those skeletons removed from the closet, huh?" 872 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,396 [chuckling] I said, "Yeah, Pat. 873 00:37:53,396 --> 00:37:55,857 They're gone." [laughs] 874 00:37:55,857 --> 00:37:57,609 DAVID: Why does it seem to be impossible 875 00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:00,487 to repeat Championships in that league? 876 00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:02,197 - Because the teams you beat get better. 877 00:38:02,197 --> 00:38:03,656 - Yeah. Yeah. 878 00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:06,409 - Like we beat Philly, they went out and got Moses. 879 00:38:06,409 --> 00:38:09,204 [laughter] So, uh, they beat us, 880 00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:10,580 and I don't know what might happen. 881 00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:12,415 We-we might get a good play or... 882 00:38:12,415 --> 00:38:13,958 NORM: When you do lose, 883 00:38:13,958 --> 00:38:15,752 there are some things that start happening. 884 00:38:15,752 --> 00:38:17,837 You know, you always gonna have scapegoats. 885 00:38:17,837 --> 00:38:20,173 And, you know, like, it was Kareem's fault. 886 00:38:20,173 --> 00:38:21,758 It was this one's fault. 887 00:38:21,758 --> 00:38:23,802 This guy is negative in the locker room. 888 00:38:23,802 --> 00:38:25,887 This guy is doing this. 889 00:38:25,887 --> 00:38:29,098 JERRY: Sometimes you make subtle changes in your team. 890 00:38:29,098 --> 00:38:30,975 We needed someone bigger out there, 891 00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:33,603 and I didn't think Norm was a great complement 892 00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:35,104 to Magic Johnson. 893 00:38:35,104 --> 00:38:36,397 - Jerry had come to-- I always laugh about it. 894 00:38:36,397 --> 00:38:37,941 Say, "I'll never trade you." 895 00:38:37,941 --> 00:38:39,984 I said, "That's a kiss of death like the Italians." 896 00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:42,237 [laughs] Muah, muah. 897 00:38:42,237 --> 00:38:43,488 I said, "Oop, I'm outta here now." 898 00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:45,824 I told my brother. I said, "Oop, I'm gone." 899 00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:47,909 [laughing] 900 00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:49,744 BYRON: I'm originally from Inglewood, California, 901 00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:52,121 and been here all my life, you know? 902 00:38:52,121 --> 00:38:54,874 So Inglewood is home. It's where I was raised. 903 00:38:54,874 --> 00:38:56,501 You know, so when I get a call from Jerry West 904 00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:58,545 saying that we're gonna make a trade for you today, 905 00:38:58,545 --> 00:39:00,964 I almost fell out-- you know, fell out my bed. 906 00:39:00,964 --> 00:39:02,465 [laughs] 907 00:39:02,465 --> 00:39:04,759 JERRY: Getting one of the best prospects in the draft, 908 00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:06,427 that was exciting for me. 909 00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:11,516 And also the three-point line had become in vogue then, 910 00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:13,601 and that was his specialty when he first started out. 911 00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:15,103 BYRON: Jerry West said, "You know, 912 00:39:15,103 --> 00:39:16,563 we're gonna win more championships 913 00:39:16,563 --> 00:39:18,940 with you than we ever would have with Norm." 914 00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:21,985 MICHAEL: Magic, myself, and Norm, 915 00:39:21,985 --> 00:39:23,778 we were the trio. We always talk about 916 00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:26,239 we had the best three guard combo in the league. 917 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,742 So when they pulled that trade off, it hurt a lot. 918 00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:31,911 MAGIC: All three of us had a real bond 919 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:33,788 out on the basketball court. 920 00:39:33,788 --> 00:39:39,544 And so when he got traded, you know, 921 00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:42,630 that was a--that was a tough moment for me. 922 00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:44,382 - People were mad. 923 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,759 They were incensed and mourning. 924 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:50,179 PERSON: Jack Nicholson, he wore black for three games. 925 00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:52,015 I said, "What the hell is this all about?" 926 00:39:52,015 --> 00:39:54,559 He said, "That's the dumbest trade I've ever seen." 927 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,477 - Well, he wears all black a lot. 928 00:39:56,477 --> 00:39:58,938 So maybe he's always in mourning, 929 00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:01,190 but I'm a fan of the Lakers, 930 00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:03,568 and I respect players. 931 00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:05,236 But these guys were my friends. 932 00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:08,615 And to this day, I wish they hadn't traded Norman. 933 00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:10,575 NORM: Jack and Lou, they were fans, 934 00:40:10,575 --> 00:40:12,160 and they know the game, 935 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,828 and they knew me on a personal level. 936 00:40:13,828 --> 00:40:16,164 They knew me very well on a personal level. 937 00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:17,624 They didn't wanna see me go, 938 00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:19,125 and they didn't like what happened. 939 00:40:19,125 --> 00:40:20,418 JERRY: That was a difficult time. 940 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:23,379 Probably the first time in my life I went home, 941 00:40:23,379 --> 00:40:25,715 and I said to myself, 942 00:40:25,715 --> 00:40:30,011 "Is this gonna work like I hope it works?" 943 00:40:30,011 --> 00:40:31,304 BYRON: Jerry West makes this trade. 944 00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:33,806 Brings in this unproven rookie, you know? 945 00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:35,558 So they had to test me. 946 00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:37,727 - We gave him the cold shoulder. 947 00:40:37,727 --> 00:40:40,104 We fucked with him. 948 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:41,522 - I didn't know then that meant that, 949 00:40:41,522 --> 00:40:43,900 "Yeah, we're gonna try to kick your ass. 950 00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,611 Every day in practice, we're gonna go at you." 951 00:40:46,611 --> 00:40:48,821 - We wanted to see if he could weather the storm. 952 00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:51,157 - That went on for about four or five days to a week. 953 00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:52,700 And then I just told 'em-- I said, "Listen, 954 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,495 next one y'all throw a elbow, I'm punching the shit out you." 955 00:40:55,495 --> 00:40:56,829 I said, "I'm just letting you know. 956 00:40:56,829 --> 00:40:58,790 I'm tired of this shit." And that was it. 957 00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:00,583 And they was like, "Okay, all right. 958 00:41:00,583 --> 00:41:02,210 This kid got some balls. He's tough." 959 00:41:04,087 --> 00:41:05,672 From that point on me, Magic, and Coop 960 00:41:05,672 --> 00:41:07,298 went everywhere together. 961 00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:12,303 MAGIC: Byron, and as I call him B, we always knew 962 00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:15,848 that if we were going to win a championship, 963 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:18,518 he was gonna play a key role. 964 00:41:24,983 --> 00:41:27,318 ANNOUNCER: The Lakers and the Celtics. 965 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:30,863 So many memories. So many golden moments. 966 00:41:30,863 --> 00:41:33,658 The Celtics and Bill Russell always winning 967 00:41:33,658 --> 00:41:35,326 when they met for the Championship. 968 00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:39,288 For the Lakers, Jerry West always magnificent in defeat. 969 00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:40,581 Now we are ready to start again. 970 00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:42,208 INTERVIEWER: How obsessed with winning 971 00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:44,419 did your father become in '84 and '85 972 00:41:44,419 --> 00:41:46,212 during the Lakers-Celtics rivalry? 973 00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:48,506 - [laughing] 974 00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,967 He reminded me of... 975 00:41:50,967 --> 00:41:54,595 of any big sports fan, you know? 976 00:41:54,595 --> 00:41:56,723 It was the pinnacle of sports, 977 00:41:56,723 --> 00:42:00,309 of what sports is all about, of rivalry. 978 00:42:00,309 --> 00:42:03,604 To him, the rivalries were the greatest thing 979 00:42:03,604 --> 00:42:05,690 you could ever have in sports. 980 00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:10,194 - The whole Boston-Laker rivalry goes back to the '60s. 981 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,365 JERRY: The period when I was playing, 982 00:42:14,365 --> 00:42:15,867 the Celtics were there every year, 983 00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:17,160 and we had good teams. 984 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,661 But we were just not good enough to beat them. 985 00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:20,079 ANNOUNCER: The ball game is over. 986 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,540 The Boston Celtics are the World Champions, 987 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:24,375 and the Boston Celtics have won 988 00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:26,210 their fifth World Championship. 989 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:27,962 ANNOUNCER: The Boston Celtics have given Bostonians 990 00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:29,422 something to talk about. 991 00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:30,506 ANNOUNCER: That's it. The game is over. 992 00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:32,050 ANNOUNCER: What a rivalry. 993 00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:34,343 ANNOUNCER: The Boston Celtics have done it again. 994 00:42:34,343 --> 00:42:37,805 Another jewel in that crown. 995 00:42:37,805 --> 00:42:43,394 - I have not been to Boston since I played as a player. 996 00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:47,065 PAT: The albatross we felt was on our back 997 00:42:47,065 --> 00:42:48,566 to sort of break this hex. 998 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:50,777 JAMES: I grew up watching the Celtics 999 00:42:50,777 --> 00:42:52,737 and that parquet floor. 1000 00:42:52,737 --> 00:42:56,032 It was amazing on television. 1001 00:42:56,032 --> 00:42:58,201 But when you get in there, it's pretty shitty. 1002 00:42:58,201 --> 00:43:01,996 ALL: Beat L. A. Beat L. A. 1003 00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:03,706 JAMAAL: In the winter, we'd play in Boston. 1004 00:43:03,706 --> 00:43:06,292 It seemed like the heat never worked. 1005 00:43:06,292 --> 00:43:10,046 In the summers, the air conditioning never worked. 1006 00:43:10,046 --> 00:43:12,548 We'd stay in the hotel, and it seemed like the alarms 1007 00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:15,384 would go off all hours of the night. 1008 00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:19,263 And that seemed to only happen in Boston. 1009 00:43:19,263 --> 00:43:21,641 MICHAEL: We got a chance to eradicate 1010 00:43:21,641 --> 00:43:24,769 the ghosts from the past, to clear the air 1011 00:43:24,769 --> 00:43:28,397 for Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain. 1012 00:43:28,397 --> 00:43:31,317 All the times that they could never beat Boston, 1013 00:43:31,317 --> 00:43:34,153 we got a chance to do that. 1014 00:43:34,153 --> 00:43:36,614 LARRY: We knew how important it was to beat the Lakers 1015 00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:38,241 because of the history. 1016 00:43:38,241 --> 00:43:39,784 In Boston, there's always a buzz, 1017 00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:42,328 but when the Lakers came to town, it was different. 1018 00:43:42,328 --> 00:43:45,206 I mean, our fans knew when we played the Lakers, 1019 00:43:45,206 --> 00:43:46,833 that's the ultimate game. 1020 00:43:46,833 --> 00:43:49,127 - The bottom line is, 1021 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:51,879 if you're wearing the Laker uniform, 1022 00:43:51,879 --> 00:43:53,881 you hate the Celtic uniform. 1023 00:43:53,881 --> 00:43:55,383 And if you're wearing the Celtic uniform, 1024 00:43:55,383 --> 00:43:57,552 you hate the Laker uniform. It's just the bottom line. 1025 00:43:57,552 --> 00:44:00,888 [heavy music] 1026 00:44:00,888 --> 00:44:03,516 ANNOUNCER: Next up, North Station, Boston County. 1027 00:44:03,516 --> 00:44:05,309 ANNOUNCER: All right. The stage is set. 1028 00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,520 It's the Celtics and the Lakers. 1029 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,314 Game one. 1030 00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:13,109 FLEA: I remember being glued to the television 1031 00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:15,903 watching those Lakers-Celtics games. 1032 00:44:15,903 --> 00:44:18,906 And back then had like, you know, a cheap little TV 1033 00:44:18,906 --> 00:44:22,743 about this big and just staring at it with intensity. 1034 00:44:22,743 --> 00:44:24,829 ANNOUNCER: Now Magic Johnson the man with the ball, 1035 00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:26,122 and he gets it quickly into Kareem 1036 00:44:26,122 --> 00:44:28,374 who's fouled and gets the basket. 1037 00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:29,542 ANNOUNCER: I'd say right now, 1038 00:44:30,084 --> 00:44:32,336 the Lakers are pretty much in control of this game. 1039 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,881 But the Los Angeles Lakers have won in Boston, 1040 00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:37,216 ending a nine-game playoff streak at home 1041 00:44:37,216 --> 00:44:40,720 and have beaten the Boston Celtics 115 to 109 1042 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,723 to take a one-to-nothing lead in the best of seven 1043 00:44:43,723 --> 00:44:45,933 for the NBA World Championship. 1044 00:44:45,933 --> 00:44:47,643 - We won the first game. 1045 00:44:47,643 --> 00:44:49,145 - The Los Angeles Lakers 1046 00:44:49,145 --> 00:44:51,230 handed the Celtics their first home court defeat 1047 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:52,732 in ten playoff games this year. 1048 00:44:52,732 --> 00:44:54,108 ANNOUNCER: We're live at Boston Garden 1049 00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:55,401 for game number two 1050 00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:57,987 of the NBA World Championship Series. 1051 00:44:57,987 --> 00:45:00,531 PAT: I made some coaching blunders in the second game 1052 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:01,949 I thought really cost us. 1053 00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:04,410 ANNOUNCER: The Lakers have it with 20 seconds to go 1054 00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:06,746 and lead the Celtics 113 to 111. 1055 00:45:08,497 --> 00:45:10,625 Worthy will inbound to Magic Johnson. 1056 00:45:10,625 --> 00:45:12,418 Worst comes the worst, the Celtics will have to-- 1057 00:45:12,418 --> 00:45:13,794 Oh! there's a steal by Henderson 1058 00:45:13,794 --> 00:45:14,921 who lays it up again. 1059 00:45:14,921 --> 00:45:17,715 JAMES: The pass that I made 1060 00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:19,634 was trying to get it to Byron Scott, 1061 00:45:19,634 --> 00:45:24,347 which Gerald Henderson intercepted and laid it in. 1062 00:45:24,347 --> 00:45:26,849 Forced us to overtime. 1063 00:45:26,849 --> 00:45:29,352 [cheers and applause] 1064 00:45:29,352 --> 00:45:32,939 If I don't make that pass, 1065 00:45:32,939 --> 00:45:34,190 I think we go up 2:0. 1066 00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:35,816 And there's no way they're gonna beat us. 1067 00:45:35,816 --> 00:45:37,235 We're going back to L. A. 1068 00:45:37,235 --> 00:45:39,362 - Today, we will define the word choke. 1069 00:45:39,362 --> 00:45:40,988 A choke is a device on a car 1070 00:45:40,988 --> 00:45:43,199 to improve the gas and air mixture. 1071 00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,201 It is also what the Los Angeles Lakers 1072 00:45:45,201 --> 00:45:47,745 did in Boston last night. Sorry. 1073 00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:51,249 - Then the series became real. You know, became real. 1074 00:45:51,249 --> 00:45:53,251 We went home then beat 'em by 30. 1075 00:45:53,251 --> 00:45:55,378 ANNOUNCER: The game was around the most lopsided defeat 1076 00:45:55,378 --> 00:45:57,338 in Boston playoff history. 1077 00:45:57,338 --> 00:45:59,674 And the Celtics looked like beaten men. 1078 00:45:59,674 --> 00:46:03,344 - What changed the tenor of that series 1079 00:46:03,344 --> 00:46:06,264 was in game four. 1080 00:46:06,264 --> 00:46:08,516 - I can remember going in that game, it's-- 1081 00:46:08,516 --> 00:46:10,643 we always--so we gotta do whatever we can do 1082 00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:12,103 to win this basketball game, 1083 00:46:12,103 --> 00:46:15,189 because if we don't win this one, it's over. 1084 00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:17,650 ANNOUNCER: McHale is doubled. 1085 00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:19,485 Dennis Johnson is short with it. 1086 00:46:19,485 --> 00:46:21,612 Cooper to Kareem to Worthy to Rambis. 1087 00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:23,155 He should go the distance-- oh! 1088 00:46:23,155 --> 00:46:27,243 And now let's watch it. Cooper and the Celtics. 1089 00:46:27,243 --> 00:46:28,953 And now the bench is empty. 1090 00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:34,458 As Larry Bird helps Kurt Rambis up. 1091 00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:37,503 He was decked by two Celtics and hit the floor hard. 1092 00:46:37,503 --> 00:46:39,005 - It wasn't like we was going out there 1093 00:46:39,005 --> 00:46:41,590 to try to hurt somebody, and Kevin McHale is not known 1094 00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:43,759 to knock people down like that. 1095 00:46:43,759 --> 00:46:45,344 But when it happened 1096 00:46:45,344 --> 00:46:47,638 I'm going, "Jesus, Kevin, what was that all about?" 1097 00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:49,890 FLEA: Watching the clotheslining of Rambis-- 1098 00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:52,268 it was so intense. 1099 00:46:52,268 --> 00:46:53,519 I'm sure that, you know, 1100 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,021 there was some begrudging professional respect. 1101 00:46:55,021 --> 00:46:57,648 Like, you know, game recognizing game and all that, 1102 00:46:57,648 --> 00:46:59,483 but there's just this feeling of 1103 00:46:59,483 --> 00:47:02,486 they really hated each other. 1104 00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:04,113 BOB: It was brutal. Ha ha. 1105 00:47:04,113 --> 00:47:06,657 In today's game, that would've been 1106 00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:08,868 a $50,000 fine, 1107 00:47:08,868 --> 00:47:12,079 and he'd been suspended for the next game. 1108 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,624 But in the rough and tumble world of the '80s 1109 00:47:15,624 --> 00:47:17,918 of the NBA, didn't happen. 1110 00:47:17,918 --> 00:47:19,837 LARRY: We riled them a little bit. 1111 00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:22,089 We were a physical team, 1112 00:47:22,089 --> 00:47:23,883 but that one play sort of changed things. 1113 00:47:23,883 --> 00:47:26,886 ANNOUNCER: And the Boston Celtics have evened this NBA 1114 00:47:26,886 --> 00:47:30,681 World Championship Series at two games apiece. 1115 00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:33,976 - When we go back, and we get buried in game five 1116 00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:39,148 in probably the most uncomfortable arena 1117 00:47:39,148 --> 00:47:40,566 that you could ever be in. 1118 00:47:40,566 --> 00:47:42,526 It had to be 120 degrees in there. 1119 00:47:42,526 --> 00:47:44,320 - It's like 91 or 92 degrees. 1120 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,821 'Cause we didn't have air condition. 1121 00:47:45,821 --> 00:47:47,698 They're not used to that in L. A. 1122 00:47:47,698 --> 00:47:49,742 Had a teammate told me, "Can you imagine 1123 00:47:49,742 --> 00:47:51,660 "how many people's faces would melt in here 1124 00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:54,497 if it was 91, 92 with all the plastic surgery?" 1125 00:47:54,497 --> 00:47:55,915 [laughing] 1126 00:47:55,915 --> 00:47:58,709 - You just have to give both clubs a lot of credit 1127 00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:01,337 for enduring a 48-minute steam bath. 1128 00:48:01,337 --> 00:48:04,590 We lost that game, and we came back in game six 1129 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:07,510 and basically meekly won game six. 1130 00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:09,804 We have a chance to do something that no other team 1131 00:48:09,804 --> 00:48:12,932 has ever done-- go back to Boston Garden 1132 00:48:12,932 --> 00:48:15,726 and win a World Championship on that parquet floor. 1133 00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:18,938 And, uh, we lost in game seven. 1134 00:48:18,938 --> 00:48:20,147 ANNOUNCER: Final second. 1135 00:48:20,147 --> 00:48:22,274 ALL: Five. Four. Three. Two. 1136 00:48:22,274 --> 00:48:24,902 ANNOUNCER: Cooper does it to three--it's over. 1137 00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:28,906 PAT: We choked. I choked as a coach. 1138 00:48:28,906 --> 00:48:31,867 I didn't do a good job. Some of the most miserable 1139 00:48:31,867 --> 00:48:35,746 I have ever been was after that seventh game. 1140 00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:38,082 We felt we gave away a championship, 1141 00:48:38,082 --> 00:48:42,002 and that's the summer that they came after us 1142 00:48:42,002 --> 00:48:43,504 and called us sissies, 1143 00:48:43,504 --> 00:48:46,924 called us fakers, called us the Hollywood softies, 1144 00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:48,426 Tragic Magic. 1145 00:48:48,426 --> 00:48:51,220 You know, whatever it was, they came after us, man. 1146 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:52,763 LARRY: The Lakers, the fakers, 1147 00:48:52,763 --> 00:48:55,516 and a bunch of sissies and this and that. 1148 00:48:55,516 --> 00:48:57,935 That's all part of the game, you know? 1149 00:48:57,935 --> 00:49:00,438 [quiet music] 1150 00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:05,109 - Losing always set my dad off into a dark place. 1151 00:49:06,694 --> 00:49:09,947 To be so close and to lose to the Celtics, 1152 00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:11,657 you know, it made him 1153 00:49:11,657 --> 00:49:15,119 that much more determined to beat them. 1154 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,872 - And then we spent the whole summer thinking about it. 1155 00:49:17,872 --> 00:49:22,209 And then that whole season in '85 we dedicated that season 1156 00:49:22,209 --> 00:49:25,588 just to get back to the finals and hoping they were there. 1157 00:49:25,588 --> 00:49:28,883 PERSON: Whatever you do, don't look at the camera, Gary. 1158 00:49:28,883 --> 00:49:32,386 GARY: I came in after they had lost in '84, 1159 00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:36,807 and it was very apparent to me the goal for this team 1160 00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:40,311 was not to win an NBA Championship. 1161 00:49:40,311 --> 00:49:43,689 The goal was to beat the Boston Celtics 1162 00:49:43,689 --> 00:49:46,025 to win the NBA Championship. 1163 00:49:46,025 --> 00:49:48,569 ALL: We want Boston. We want Boston. 1164 00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:50,237 ANNOUNCER: For a full year now, 1165 00:49:50,237 --> 00:49:51,947 this has been the L. A. cry, 1166 00:49:51,947 --> 00:49:54,533 wanting Boston but really wanting redemption. 1167 00:49:54,533 --> 00:49:57,119 PERSON: They needed to play the Celtics, 1168 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,539 and they needed to beat them for all the skeletons 1169 00:50:00,539 --> 00:50:04,251 to come out of the closet and sort of release this curse 1170 00:50:04,251 --> 00:50:07,046 that seemed to be hanging over their head. 1171 00:50:07,046 --> 00:50:08,881 - Oh, I hope the Lakers do it. They should do it. 1172 00:50:08,881 --> 00:50:10,216 - Why do you think they should? 1173 00:50:10,216 --> 00:50:11,884 - Because they owe it to us to do it. 1174 00:50:11,884 --> 00:50:13,177 - Lakers for sure. 1175 00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:14,553 - Oh, it's gonna be the Lakers? - Yes, for sure. 1176 00:50:14,553 --> 00:50:15,888 - Yeah. You live in L. A. of course? 1177 00:50:15,888 --> 00:50:17,431 - Of course. 1178 00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:18,974 - You lived in Boston, you wouldn't be saying that. 1179 00:50:18,974 --> 00:50:21,727 - I wouldn't live in Boston. 1180 00:50:21,727 --> 00:50:23,479 - Lakers. - Why do you say Lakers? 1181 00:50:23,479 --> 00:50:24,855 - They have the Magic Man. 1182 00:50:24,855 --> 00:50:26,232 They have Kareem. They have everybody. 1183 00:50:26,232 --> 00:50:27,691 Worthy's going off through the whole series. 1184 00:50:27,691 --> 00:50:29,902 Can't nobody stick it. 1185 00:50:29,902 --> 00:50:32,738 FLEA: You know, after Lakers lost, I was devastated. 1186 00:50:32,738 --> 00:50:35,074 You know, I despised the Celtics. 1187 00:50:35,074 --> 00:50:38,827 Uh, you know, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, 1188 00:50:38,827 --> 00:50:43,040 Danny Ainge, Jerry Sichting-- all of those guys, man. 1189 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,833 I hated 'em. 1190 00:50:46,377 --> 00:50:48,420 SELLER: Pick 'em out. Pick 'em out. 1191 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:51,757 Hey go, Celtics. Beat L. A., souvenirs here. 1192 00:50:51,757 --> 00:50:54,301 PERSON: Hit the road, Jack. Yeah. Get outta here. Jack. 1193 00:50:54,301 --> 00:50:56,887 It's the Celtics all the away. 1194 00:50:56,887 --> 00:50:58,973 FAN: The fans in L.A. are phony fans. 1195 00:50:58,973 --> 00:51:00,391 The fans here are true fans. 1196 00:51:00,391 --> 00:51:02,810 FAN: The fans here are more sports-oriented. 1197 00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:06,146 They're not movie-goers and here to see the stars. 1198 00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:08,190 You know, they want to see a good game. 1199 00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:09,775 - Who's gonna win it? 1200 00:51:09,775 --> 00:51:12,403 The Celtics because there's no other reason why. 1201 00:51:12,403 --> 00:51:14,446 The Celtics are the balls. 1202 00:51:14,446 --> 00:51:15,739 - I don't know if you know anything about 1203 00:51:15,739 --> 00:51:16,865 Boston sports out there, 1204 00:51:16,865 --> 00:51:19,910 but they're still doing that stuff. 1205 00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:22,037 Best fans in the world. They're behind their teams. 1206 00:51:22,037 --> 00:51:25,499 STEVEN: The perception was this was the bitter cold, 1207 00:51:25,499 --> 00:51:28,335 tough East Coast where you had a fight for everything. 1208 00:51:28,335 --> 00:51:29,962 And L. A.'s where all the surfers are 1209 00:51:29,962 --> 00:51:32,047 and the Hollywood and the glamor 1210 00:51:32,047 --> 00:51:33,757 and the babes on every corner. 1211 00:51:33,757 --> 00:51:36,051 I mean, it's just--it's the perception of the cities, 1212 00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:37,636 not just the teams. 1213 00:51:37,636 --> 00:51:40,139 ALL: Beat L. A.! Beat L. A.! 1214 00:51:40,139 --> 00:51:42,516 Going into the finals, the Lakers were facing 1215 00:51:42,516 --> 00:51:44,852 the Boston Celtics for the ninth time, 1216 00:51:44,852 --> 00:51:47,855 and they had lost all of the previous eight. 1217 00:51:47,855 --> 00:51:50,566 - The Lakers are determined to break through this time, 1218 00:51:50,566 --> 00:51:52,192 but time will tell. 1219 00:51:52,192 --> 00:51:55,946 ANNOUNCER: And we're underway. Here's Magic pushing it up. 1220 00:51:55,946 --> 00:51:58,282 James Worthy. Air ball. 1221 00:51:58,282 --> 00:51:59,825 There's a three on one break. 1222 00:51:59,825 --> 00:52:01,035 Two on one. 1223 00:52:01,035 --> 00:52:03,120 Worthy misses the shot. 1224 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,623 20-point lead for the Celtics on the Lakers 1225 00:52:05,623 --> 00:52:07,082 in this first half. 1226 00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:09,335 And Worthy steps on the line. He took the call. 1227 00:52:09,335 --> 00:52:11,795 ANNOUNCER: I'd very concerned if I was Pat Riley. 1228 00:52:11,795 --> 00:52:13,380 ANNOUNCER: Mike. Hook shot. 1229 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:15,799 And that breaks the record. 1230 00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:17,926 The Boston Celtics have set a record 1231 00:52:17,926 --> 00:52:19,511 for the most points in one game 1232 00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:20,971 in a Championship Series. 1233 00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,640 [buzzer] And that'll do it. 1234 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,850 No contest. Game one. 1235 00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:27,436 But it's just game one. Best of seven. 1236 00:52:27,436 --> 00:52:31,065 Give it to the Boston Celtics by a wide margin. 1237 00:52:31,065 --> 00:52:32,775 - The media went crazy. We're over the hill. 1238 00:52:32,775 --> 00:52:34,109 We're done. 1239 00:52:34,109 --> 00:52:36,153 What a horrible performance. 1240 00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:38,238 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is too old. 1241 00:52:38,238 --> 00:52:41,200 He was run off the court by Parish and McHale, 1242 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,410 and he looked like an old man. 1243 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:44,870 I mean, they really killed us. 1244 00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:48,082 The media killed us, and deservedly so. 1245 00:52:48,082 --> 00:52:52,586 We choked in '84, and we choked in the first game. 1246 00:52:52,586 --> 00:52:56,048 And I had a simple, not rule, 1247 00:52:56,048 --> 00:52:58,676 but an understanding that when we went to a game, 1248 00:52:58,676 --> 00:53:01,720 we all went together and nobody else. 1249 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:02,930 No family, no friends, nobody. 1250 00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:04,390 We all went together on the bus. 1251 00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:06,767 And so I said, "Let's get on the bus at 6:00." 1252 00:53:06,767 --> 00:53:08,977 Then I looked to my right. 1253 00:53:10,854 --> 00:53:13,565 Kareem's running towards the bus, 1254 00:53:13,565 --> 00:53:15,275 and there's a gentleman following him. 1255 00:53:15,275 --> 00:53:18,445 And I recognized that it was father, Big Al. 1256 00:53:18,445 --> 00:53:22,157 [soft, stirring music] 1257 00:53:22,157 --> 00:53:25,244 KAREEM: My dad was starting to demonstrate 1258 00:53:25,244 --> 00:53:27,204 the, uh, process of dementia. 1259 00:53:29,081 --> 00:53:31,333 He had gotten separated from my mom. 1260 00:53:31,333 --> 00:53:33,877 So I grabbed him, and I took him on the bus. 1261 00:53:36,255 --> 00:53:38,841 PAT: He said, "Can my dad go to the game with me?" 1262 00:53:38,841 --> 00:53:42,636 And I said, "Absolutely." [small laugh] 1263 00:53:42,636 --> 00:53:46,265 ♪ ♪ 1264 00:53:46,265 --> 00:53:51,645 The last time that I saw my father was in 1970. 1265 00:53:51,645 --> 00:53:54,565 I was saying goodbye to them 1266 00:53:54,565 --> 00:53:56,984 and he opened the door and came out, and he said, 1267 00:53:56,984 --> 00:53:59,403 "Just remember what I always taught you. 1268 00:53:59,403 --> 00:54:01,530 "That, you know, some place, you know, somewhere, 1269 00:54:01,530 --> 00:54:05,033 "sometime you're gonna have to plant your feet, stand firm, 1270 00:54:05,033 --> 00:54:07,619 "and make a point about who you are 1271 00:54:07,619 --> 00:54:09,747 "and where you came from. 1272 00:54:09,747 --> 00:54:11,165 "Just remember that, Pat. 1273 00:54:11,165 --> 00:54:12,791 When that time comes, you do it," you know? 1274 00:54:12,791 --> 00:54:14,626 And he just patted me on the shoulder and left. 1275 00:54:14,626 --> 00:54:17,296 I never saw him again after that. 1276 00:54:17,296 --> 00:54:19,715 So when I gave my final comments 1277 00:54:19,715 --> 00:54:21,049 before we went out on the court, 1278 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:23,343 I started talking about dads, my dad, 1279 00:54:23,343 --> 00:54:25,637 and everybody else's dad that I knew there. 1280 00:54:25,637 --> 00:54:29,016 And, uh, it was a very emotional time. 1281 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:35,814 The last words that I said to the team: 1282 00:54:35,814 --> 00:54:38,192 "We're going out tonight to plant our feet, stand firm, 1283 00:54:38,192 --> 00:54:42,362 "make a point about who we are, we're world champions, 1284 00:54:42,362 --> 00:54:45,324 and about where we came from, we come from L. A." 1285 00:54:47,743 --> 00:54:51,455 Kareem bringing his father on the bus inspired me. 1286 00:54:51,455 --> 00:54:54,833 It changed my speech and talked about dads. 1287 00:54:54,833 --> 00:54:56,502 MICHAEL: It was probably one of the greatest 1288 00:54:56,502 --> 00:54:59,588 motivation speech to a team that you could ever give 1289 00:54:59,588 --> 00:55:01,632 to get them ready, where you could feel it 1290 00:55:01,632 --> 00:55:03,550 from how he got it, and how his dad got it 1291 00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:04,927 and gave it to him. 1292 00:55:04,927 --> 00:55:07,638 And Pat Riley gave it to us. And, boy, it was perfect. 1293 00:55:11,225 --> 00:55:12,684 ANNOUNCER: When you think back to Monday, 1294 00:55:12,684 --> 00:55:14,186 it is still hard to believe 1295 00:55:14,186 --> 00:55:17,648 that the Celtics beat the Lakers by 34 points. 1296 00:55:17,648 --> 00:55:19,149 But I think the thing to keep in mind 1297 00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:21,818 is that frequently in a seven-game series, 1298 00:55:21,818 --> 00:55:24,988 it is the second game which dictates the tempo 1299 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:28,784 and the mood for the remainder of the series. 1300 00:55:28,784 --> 00:55:31,870 PAT: This was the major breakthrough moment 1301 00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:35,916 for that team to really own their greatness, 1302 00:55:35,916 --> 00:55:39,628 to own it with this tremendous adversity. 1303 00:55:39,628 --> 00:55:42,839 ANNOUNCER: The Celtics only loss in their last 22 1304 00:55:42,839 --> 00:55:45,300 were these Lakers in game one a year ago. 1305 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:47,094 It's a new year, a new game. 1306 00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:50,389 one nothing. Boston lead. 1307 00:55:50,389 --> 00:55:51,974 And the Lakers control. 1308 00:55:51,974 --> 00:55:53,517 BYRON: When you're trying to win a championship, 1309 00:55:53,517 --> 00:55:56,061 in that environment, in that stadium, 1310 00:55:56,061 --> 00:55:59,439 with the players that they had, it wasn't easy at all. 1311 00:55:59,439 --> 00:56:01,733 ANNOUNCER: And here comes L. A. pushing it up the way. 1312 00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:04,528 MAGIC: I knew every time I went to try to dunk, 1313 00:56:04,528 --> 00:56:06,655 I was gonna get hit. James knew it. 1314 00:56:06,655 --> 00:56:08,407 JAMES: Magic knew when he went to the hole 1315 00:56:08,407 --> 00:56:09,950 he was gonna get hit. 1316 00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:12,828 That was a part of game as far as we was concerned. 1317 00:56:12,828 --> 00:56:15,872 Boston thought we were soft and found out we weren't. 1318 00:56:17,082 --> 00:56:18,500 MAGIC: We got some players, 1319 00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:19,918 and they're gonna take your head off 1320 00:56:19,918 --> 00:56:22,129 if that's what type of game you want to play. 1321 00:56:22,129 --> 00:56:24,047 ANNOUNCER: This kind of pace when they have a big lead. 1322 00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:25,841 Bird is fouled as he goes in. 1323 00:56:25,841 --> 00:56:28,260 - And you don't see Larry Bird often-- 1324 00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:29,636 BYRON: We were a team that could play 1325 00:56:29,636 --> 00:56:31,471 any style of basketball that you want to play. 1326 00:56:31,471 --> 00:56:33,307 And we still gonna play our style at the end of the day. 1327 00:56:33,307 --> 00:56:34,683 We're still gonna get up and down. 1328 00:56:34,683 --> 00:56:36,101 We're still gonna be showtime. 1329 00:56:36,101 --> 00:56:37,936 But if you want to be half court and gritty, 1330 00:56:37,936 --> 00:56:39,521 we'll play that way. 1331 00:56:39,521 --> 00:56:40,981 If you want to be physical, we'll play that way. 1332 00:56:40,981 --> 00:56:43,191 And then we gonna still get up and down the floor. 1333 00:56:44,693 --> 00:56:46,069 ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, 1334 00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:47,321 welcome to Boston Garden. 1335 00:56:47,321 --> 00:56:48,780 We go to game number six. 1336 00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:51,700 The Los Angeles Lakers have achieved a 3-to-2 advantage. 1337 00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:53,994 They want to stifle the Celtics here today 1338 00:56:53,994 --> 00:56:57,748 and become the 1985 World Champions. 1339 00:57:00,626 --> 00:57:02,586 ROB: There's no way I was gonna miss it. 1340 00:57:02,586 --> 00:57:06,006 I was shooting a movie. The studio wouldn't let me fly. 1341 00:57:06,006 --> 00:57:08,925 I'd hired a sea plane to secretly pick me up, 1342 00:57:08,925 --> 00:57:10,302 flew to Boston, 1343 00:57:10,302 --> 00:57:13,513 and got in my seats just in time for tip-off. 1344 00:57:13,513 --> 00:57:15,265 Unfortunately, they cut to me in the audience 1345 00:57:15,265 --> 00:57:16,516 in the broadcast. 1346 00:57:16,516 --> 00:57:18,352 ANNOUNCER: Rob Lowe, the actor here. 1347 00:57:18,352 --> 00:57:20,479 ROB: And the studio found out that I was there. 1348 00:57:20,479 --> 00:57:22,481 They were not happy. 1349 00:57:24,024 --> 00:57:27,027 ANNOUNCER: Kareem controls. Five rebounds for Kareem. 1350 00:57:27,027 --> 00:57:30,656 [exciting music] 1351 00:57:30,656 --> 00:57:32,532 ♪ ♪ 1352 00:57:32,532 --> 00:57:36,703 And Magic Johnson finds redemption a year later. 1353 00:57:36,703 --> 00:57:38,038 MAGIC: We were tired of hearing 1354 00:57:38,038 --> 00:57:40,248 how we were 0 and 8 against the Celtics. 1355 00:57:40,248 --> 00:57:44,169 So it was just a big relief for all of us, you know, 1356 00:57:44,169 --> 00:57:46,963 to finally get that monkey off our back. 1357 00:57:46,963 --> 00:57:49,257 ANNOUNCER: The Lakers are winning it. 1358 00:57:49,257 --> 00:57:50,759 Three in six years. 1359 00:57:50,759 --> 00:57:54,930 L.A. comes to Boston and wins the World Title. 1360 00:57:54,930 --> 00:57:57,015 KAREEM: We're the only team to win a World Championship 1361 00:57:57,015 --> 00:58:00,477 in Boston Garden other than the Celtics. 1362 00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:02,521 After what we had gone through the year before 1363 00:58:02,521 --> 00:58:05,357 being called sissies and fakers, 1364 00:58:05,357 --> 00:58:07,859 being able to come back after that and win it 1365 00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:09,528 in Boston Garden-- 1366 00:58:09,528 --> 00:58:12,114 I'll go to my grave smiling about that. 1367 00:58:12,114 --> 00:58:15,075 LARRY: I really wanted to win it two years in a row, 1368 00:58:15,075 --> 00:58:17,577 'cause nobody's done it a long time. 1369 00:58:17,577 --> 00:58:20,414 And, uh, we were good enough to beat 'em. 1370 00:58:20,414 --> 00:58:22,582 Then they came in Boston and beat us in Boston. 1371 00:58:22,582 --> 00:58:24,334 I didn't think they could ever do that. 1372 00:58:25,252 --> 00:58:27,546 FLEA: They're so uplifting when they win championships. 1373 00:58:27,546 --> 00:58:30,799 And when they beat the Celtics and did it in Boston, 1374 00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:33,260 it's those things that suck you in forever. 1375 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:36,972 - I feel it now. You know, I just--I just got a moment. 1376 00:58:36,972 --> 00:58:39,933 - God, was it fun to root against them. 1377 00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:43,854 Oh...the best. 1378 00:58:43,854 --> 00:58:45,272 REPORTER: Coach, does it make it any sweeter 1379 00:58:45,272 --> 00:58:46,815 defeating the Celtics here... - Yeah. 1380 00:58:46,815 --> 00:58:48,900 - Where you lost it last year? - Gad damn parquet floor. 1381 00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:50,485 On our championship rings, we're gonna have 1382 00:58:50,485 --> 00:58:52,404 a parquet floor with a diamond in the middle of it. 1383 00:58:52,404 --> 00:58:53,780 - This is what every kid who's ever picked up 1384 00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:55,615 a basketball dreams about doing. 1385 00:58:55,615 --> 00:58:56,950 I couldn't be happier, man. 1386 00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:58,368 I'm the happiest guy in the world right now. 1387 00:58:58,368 --> 00:59:00,537 - We had the people back in L. A. waiting on us now. 1388 00:59:00,537 --> 00:59:03,832 We know they're partying for us. It's just great. 1389 00:59:03,832 --> 00:59:08,044 - Now the title is back. - In L. A. Party hard. 1390 00:59:08,044 --> 00:59:10,922 Everybody in L. A., party for us. 1391 00:59:10,922 --> 00:59:12,174 'Cause we're gonna party 1392 00:59:12,174 --> 00:59:13,383 - We'll party for the rest of this summer. 1393 00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:15,093 - It's time to get down. 1394 00:59:15,093 --> 00:59:17,429 - Hey, look at this! 1395 00:59:17,429 --> 00:59:20,974 [overlapping shouting] [camera lenses snapping] 1396 00:59:20,974 --> 00:59:24,352 This has removed the most odious sentence 1397 00:59:24,352 --> 00:59:26,313 in the English language. 1398 00:59:26,313 --> 00:59:28,023 It can never again be said 1399 00:59:28,023 --> 00:59:30,609 that the Lakers have never beaten the Celtics. 1400 00:59:32,486 --> 00:59:34,946 [cheers and applause] 1401 00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:37,783 JEANIE: When you've tasted that winning, 1402 00:59:37,783 --> 00:59:39,493 it's a-an addiction. 1403 00:59:39,493 --> 00:59:43,246 You wanna keep winning, and how is that gonna happen? 1404 00:59:43,246 --> 00:59:45,499 You know, my dad was determined. 1405 00:59:45,499 --> 00:59:47,584 This was, "Let's keep this going. 1406 00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,878 What else can we do? Bring it on." 1407 00:59:49,878 --> 00:59:51,129 PERSON: Ladies and gentlemen, 1408 00:59:51,129 --> 00:59:54,216 the unbelievable Dr. Jerry Buss. 1409 00:59:54,216 --> 00:59:56,426 [cheers and applause] 1410 00:59:56,426 --> 01:00:00,263 PERSON: We're number one. We're number one. 1411 01:00:00,263 --> 01:00:03,058 ALL: We're number one. We're number one. 1412 01:00:03,058 --> 01:00:06,520 JEANIE: But the ego that it takes to keep winning 1413 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,148 may be what destroys the people around you. 1414 01:00:10,148 --> 01:00:13,235 [crowd continues cheering, chanting] 1415 01:00:13,235 --> 01:00:16,238 [dramatic music] 1416 01:00:16,238 --> 01:00:23,245 ♪ ♪