1 00:00:02,252 --> 00:00:03,795 CHICK: Just while I went on, Coop said, 2 00:00:03,795 --> 00:00:05,130 "I'm getting nervous, Chick." I said, "That's good. 3 00:00:05,130 --> 00:00:06,506 That's when you're at your best." 4 00:00:06,506 --> 00:00:07,633 How are you? MICHAEL: Fine, Chick, and you? 5 00:00:07,633 --> 00:00:08,842 CHICK: Good. And family good? 6 00:00:08,842 --> 00:00:10,052 MICHAEL: Everybody's doing great. 7 00:00:10,052 --> 00:00:11,303 CHICK: What about the Lakers? 8 00:00:11,303 --> 00:00:13,764 The camaraderie of the club has been, 9 00:00:13,764 --> 00:00:15,307 well, the same since you've been with 'em. 10 00:00:15,307 --> 00:00:16,725 Always close. 11 00:00:16,725 --> 00:00:18,477 - Very close, and I think that is one key that we're 12 00:00:18,477 --> 00:00:20,771 so successful as far as our play out on the floor. 13 00:00:20,771 --> 00:00:22,606 You know, I think, uh, teams that don't-- 14 00:00:22,606 --> 00:00:24,191 don't play together after the court, 15 00:00:24,191 --> 00:00:25,692 they'll have a hard time, but what we do is, 16 00:00:25,692 --> 00:00:27,986 we spend a lot of time together when we're on the road, 17 00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:30,239 and I think that helps gels us when we come into the game. 18 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:31,823 [Sister Sledge's "We Are Family"] 19 00:00:31,823 --> 00:00:33,700 The NBA at that time, 20 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:36,036 the cycle was, you play basketball, 21 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:39,081 you drive home, go home, don't be with anybody, 22 00:00:39,081 --> 00:00:41,833 and then you meet, and you see each other at the game. 23 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:43,210 And that's when you come together. 24 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:45,128 But ours was like, we started hanging around each other 25 00:00:45,128 --> 00:00:46,880 in the locker room, standing a little bit longer, 26 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,257 just sitting around talking. 27 00:00:48,257 --> 00:00:50,217 - MVP, you got my $10? 28 00:00:50,217 --> 00:00:52,678 - Aw, shit, dude. - Got my $5? 29 00:00:52,678 --> 00:00:54,471 - [murmuring] - [laughs] 30 00:00:54,471 --> 00:00:56,390 - I'm serious, man. 31 00:00:56,390 --> 00:00:58,684 MICHAEL: When we left on the road trips, 32 00:00:58,684 --> 00:01:01,687 we started eating, uh, going to movies. 33 00:01:04,231 --> 00:01:06,775 SINGERS: ♪ We are family ♪ 34 00:01:06,775 --> 00:01:08,151 PLAYER: What we going to see? 35 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:09,444 PLAYER: "Bloodsport." PLAYER: I'll tell you what. 36 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:11,071 Let me have a big Red. 37 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:12,698 CASHIER: One, two, three medium drinks. 38 00:01:12,698 --> 00:01:14,491 Two medium popcorns. 39 00:01:14,491 --> 00:01:16,368 $17.36. 40 00:01:16,368 --> 00:01:17,995 MICHAEL: This is the Lakers, and we're at the show. 41 00:01:17,995 --> 00:01:19,204 This is Magic Johnson. 42 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:20,497 You can tell by the back of his head. 43 00:01:20,497 --> 00:01:21,957 This is James Worthy. 44 00:01:21,957 --> 00:01:24,167 Milt Wagner, you can tell by the Cadillac insignia 45 00:01:24,167 --> 00:01:25,460 on his chest. 46 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:27,379 My main man, Byron Scott. 47 00:01:27,379 --> 00:01:28,922 Enjoy yourself. 48 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:31,008 - There were a lot of get-togethers. 49 00:01:31,008 --> 00:01:35,804 There were a lot, uh, of family, uh, parties. 50 00:01:35,804 --> 00:01:38,181 Uh, it was almost, "Okay. 51 00:01:38,181 --> 00:01:39,891 "You got Saturday, Coop. 52 00:01:39,891 --> 00:01:41,977 "Okay, you got next Friday, Buck. 53 00:01:41,977 --> 00:01:44,521 Okay, Chris and I got a week from Sunday." 54 00:01:44,521 --> 00:01:46,315 And we'd have a dinner party. 55 00:01:46,315 --> 00:01:50,527 - Whether it was Thanksgiving or if it was Christmas, 56 00:01:50,527 --> 00:01:53,030 there was this collective effort. 57 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:54,573 PERSON: How you doing tonight, A. C. Green? 58 00:01:54,573 --> 00:01:56,033 A.C.: I was in my rookie year, 59 00:01:56,033 --> 00:01:57,909 so I can only compare to college 60 00:01:57,909 --> 00:01:59,453 at this particular time. 61 00:01:59,453 --> 00:02:01,705 But when I got to the pros, 62 00:02:01,705 --> 00:02:04,708 it was just a family atmosphere, 63 00:02:04,708 --> 00:02:07,711 and I was like, "I love this." 64 00:02:07,711 --> 00:02:09,004 [crowd cheering] - Yeah! 65 00:02:09,004 --> 00:02:11,673 JEANIE: I think for my father, 66 00:02:11,673 --> 00:02:14,009 the team, the business, 67 00:02:14,009 --> 00:02:17,220 here was a group of people that were, you know, 68 00:02:17,220 --> 00:02:19,514 his family that he could count on. 69 00:02:19,514 --> 00:02:24,019 It was creating the family that he never had growing up. 70 00:02:24,019 --> 00:02:27,105 SINGER: ♪ California love ♪ 71 00:02:27,105 --> 00:02:28,940 ♪ Ooh ♪ 72 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:31,485 SINGER: ♪ California ♪ 73 00:02:31,485 --> 00:02:34,863 ♪ Knows how to party ♪ 74 00:02:34,863 --> 00:02:37,699 ♪ California ♪ 75 00:02:37,699 --> 00:02:39,826 PERSON: There he is. His first shot as an owner. 76 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:40,911 You think he likes it? 77 00:02:40,911 --> 00:02:44,039 SINGER: ♪ California ♪ 78 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:46,667 - At this moment, I can't believe it. 79 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:47,959 SINGER: ♪ California ♪ 80 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:49,294 INTERVIEWER: What's the future? 81 00:02:49,294 --> 00:02:50,796 You want to replace your father at the top? 82 00:02:50,796 --> 00:02:52,839 - Yeah. [laughs] 83 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:54,841 SINGER: ♪ In the city ♪ 84 00:02:54,841 --> 00:02:56,551 BUSS: Between my daughters and my sons, 85 00:02:56,551 --> 00:02:59,346 there are certainly enough sports teams to go around. 86 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:03,350 [2Pac's "California Love"] 87 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:05,185 INTERVIEWER: Are you and the rest of the family-- 88 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:06,436 are you guys all on the same page? 89 00:03:06,436 --> 00:03:08,605 ♪ ♪ 90 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:10,315 NEWSCASTER: The Lakers caught in the middle 91 00:03:10,315 --> 00:03:11,858 of a family power struggle. 92 00:03:11,858 --> 00:03:16,822 ♪ ♪ 93 00:03:16,822 --> 00:03:18,865 BUSS: I think I've really left them with something. 94 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:32,671 [pensive music] 95 00:03:53,775 --> 00:03:56,820 - His mother, she would work at night, 96 00:03:56,820 --> 00:03:59,156 and she would wait till he was asleep, 97 00:03:59,156 --> 00:04:00,782 and then she would leave. 98 00:04:00,782 --> 00:04:05,120 And he would wake up, and then he couldn't find her. 99 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,958 So I think he felt abandonment by his mother. 100 00:04:26,057 --> 00:04:28,101 JEANIE: When his mom remarried, 101 00:04:28,101 --> 00:04:30,604 his stepfather wouldn't adopt him. 102 00:04:30,604 --> 00:04:34,024 So his last name remained Buss 103 00:04:34,024 --> 00:04:37,944 while the rest of his family, uh, was known as Brown. 104 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:40,572 And I think that really made him feel 105 00:04:40,572 --> 00:04:43,241 that he didn't fit in the family. 106 00:05:04,679 --> 00:05:06,681 JIM: His growing up in the West, 107 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:08,225 he never was handed anything, 108 00:05:08,225 --> 00:05:11,019 and he always had to fight for it, you know, basically. 109 00:05:11,019 --> 00:05:13,730 And he just understood what a dollar was. 110 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:15,273 He understood how hard. 111 00:05:15,273 --> 00:05:17,400 If you work hard, you can make it. 112 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,278 And, you know, so every dollar he made, 113 00:05:20,278 --> 00:05:24,157 he understood the effort behind it and earned it. 114 00:05:38,588 --> 00:05:41,758 - He got a scholarship to the University of Wyoming 115 00:05:41,758 --> 00:05:46,096 and graduated in less than two years. 116 00:05:46,096 --> 00:05:51,601 He got his PhD at the age of 23 from USC 117 00:05:51,601 --> 00:05:53,603 in physical chemistry. 118 00:05:53,603 --> 00:05:56,606 And he went to work right out of school 119 00:05:56,606 --> 00:05:58,692 in the aerospace industry. 120 00:06:01,778 --> 00:06:04,406 NARRATOR: In 1959, Jerry Buss and a partner 121 00:06:04,406 --> 00:06:06,616 began to see Southern California real estate 122 00:06:06,616 --> 00:06:09,119 in terms of numbers that multiply. 123 00:06:09,119 --> 00:06:12,539 They bought this small Santa Monica apartment building 124 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:15,625 for $130,000, and they multiplied it 125 00:06:15,625 --> 00:06:19,087 into a $350 million empire of more apartments, 126 00:06:19,087 --> 00:06:23,216 resorts, ranches, and this, the crown jewel, the Forum. 127 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:26,970 [upbeat piano music] 128 00:06:26,970 --> 00:06:29,472 INTERVIEWER: Do you feel that you have a Midas touch? 129 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:32,893 - Compared to the complex equations that 130 00:06:32,893 --> 00:06:35,145 you have to understand in chemistry, 131 00:06:35,145 --> 00:06:38,523 business seemed, uh, kind of mundane. 132 00:06:38,523 --> 00:06:43,361 - My dad, he had a computer for a brain. 133 00:06:43,361 --> 00:06:45,488 You'd go into his office, 134 00:06:45,488 --> 00:06:48,241 and he'd have a calculator on his desk. 135 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:50,368 But he never used a calculator. 136 00:06:50,368 --> 00:06:52,412 He could do all the numbers in his head. 137 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:54,497 The calculator was for you. 138 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:55,957 In order to keep up with him, 139 00:06:55,957 --> 00:06:58,752 you were gonna need a calculator. 140 00:06:58,752 --> 00:07:00,420 INTERVIEWER: How did you manage to parlay 141 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,631 one apartment building into a real estate empire 142 00:07:02,631 --> 00:07:05,717 that covers 4,000 apartment units, several hotels, 143 00:07:05,717 --> 00:07:08,511 a ski lodge, a tennis resort in Mammoth Lakes, 144 00:07:08,511 --> 00:07:11,556 property in Phoenix, and who knows what else? 145 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:12,974 - It was done a year at a time. 146 00:07:12,974 --> 00:07:17,020 Uh, the first apartment we bought was 105,000. 147 00:07:17,020 --> 00:07:19,189 There were about eight of us engineers, 148 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:21,399 and we joined forces. 149 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:22,942 - They were all of his friends, you know, 150 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:24,903 "Hey, can you throw in $1,000? 151 00:07:24,903 --> 00:07:26,696 Can you throw in $5,000?" 152 00:07:26,696 --> 00:07:28,948 He got everybody to come in. 153 00:07:28,948 --> 00:07:32,452 FRANK: Almost immediately, Jerry and I were good friends. 154 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:34,204 And Jerry said one word. 155 00:07:34,204 --> 00:07:36,206 Inflation. 156 00:07:36,206 --> 00:07:39,417 If things go up, real estate goes up. 157 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:43,046 BUSS: We bought that first apartment with 12,500 each. 158 00:07:43,046 --> 00:07:44,506 And then in the next year, 159 00:07:44,506 --> 00:07:46,591 we bought a second apartment house 160 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:48,635 and exactly the same thing the third year. 161 00:07:48,635 --> 00:07:51,221 Exactly the same thing the fourth year. 162 00:07:51,221 --> 00:07:53,390 JOHNNY: California real estate was growing, 163 00:07:53,390 --> 00:07:55,642 and he just jumped on the chance. 164 00:07:55,642 --> 00:07:58,228 "Let's buy more apartment complexes." 165 00:07:58,228 --> 00:08:01,731 He was, with his friends, cleaning out the pool, 166 00:08:01,731 --> 00:08:05,402 mowing the lawn, and painting the building themselves. 167 00:08:05,402 --> 00:08:06,986 Within 10 years, he was starting 168 00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:08,863 to build his own buildings. 169 00:08:08,863 --> 00:08:10,865 SINGER: ♪ All that I want ♪ 170 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,409 ♪ Whoa, yeah ♪ 171 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:14,202 SINGER: ♪ That's what I want ♪ 172 00:08:14,202 --> 00:08:15,745 SINGER: ♪ Give me money ♪ 173 00:08:15,745 --> 00:08:17,288 INTERVIEWER: Is it true that as a kid 174 00:08:17,288 --> 00:08:18,373 growing up in Wyoming, 175 00:08:18,373 --> 00:08:20,166 you never missed an athletic event? 176 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:22,043 - Yeah, that's pretty much true. 177 00:08:22,043 --> 00:08:26,673 Uh, I really was always probably the most 178 00:08:26,673 --> 00:08:29,592 avid sports fan I've ever met, um, 179 00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:33,596 and so if anything was going on anywhere nearby, I would-- 180 00:08:33,596 --> 00:08:35,223 I would always attend it. 181 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:39,352 And my enthusiasm hasn't waned, uh, as of this point. 182 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:41,312 [inquisitive music] 183 00:08:41,312 --> 00:08:43,648 The man who owned the Forum was Jack Kent Cooke, 184 00:08:43,648 --> 00:08:45,650 who also owned the Lakers and the Kings. 185 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:47,986 ANNOUNCER: And he shoots, he scores! 186 00:08:47,986 --> 00:08:49,738 BUSS: And I was kind of waiting for him 187 00:08:49,738 --> 00:08:51,823 to say, "They're for sale." 188 00:08:51,823 --> 00:08:53,450 CLAIRE: Those of us working for him, 189 00:08:53,450 --> 00:08:57,120 Mr. Cooke, he'll never sell. 190 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,749 It was his favorite toy. 191 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:04,461 BUSS: Jack moved to Las Vegas, 192 00:09:04,461 --> 00:09:06,129 and I was investing rather heavily 193 00:09:06,129 --> 00:09:08,798 in real estate in Las Vegas, so I would fly up there. 194 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:13,261 ♪ ♪ 195 00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:15,138 While I was there, I would go over to his house 196 00:09:15,138 --> 00:09:17,098 and talk about sports franchises, 197 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:19,059 and we would talk about me buying 198 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:20,310 the Lakers and the Kings. 199 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:23,646 - He had many visits with him. 200 00:09:23,646 --> 00:09:28,401 - My dad spent a lot of time in Cooke's ear 201 00:09:28,401 --> 00:09:32,030 trying to convince him that he was the right person 202 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:34,282 to buy the team. 203 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:37,494 BUSS: I did that for a year or so. 204 00:09:37,494 --> 00:09:39,245 JEANIE: It might have taken a little bit longer 205 00:09:39,245 --> 00:09:41,122 than he wanted it to. 206 00:09:41,122 --> 00:09:42,248 - Jerry wanted a quick deal, 207 00:09:42,248 --> 00:09:44,292 and Jack Cooke, a number of times-- 208 00:09:44,292 --> 00:09:45,960 let's put it this way here. 209 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,379 Jack Kent Cooke was not an easy person. 210 00:09:48,379 --> 00:09:50,548 - I remember my dad calling me on the phone 211 00:09:50,548 --> 00:09:53,218 and just saying, "Jack Kent Cooke called me. 212 00:09:53,218 --> 00:09:55,470 Guess what it was about?" 213 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:59,015 BUSS: Finally, he said, "The Lakers are for sale." 214 00:09:59,015 --> 00:10:00,975 JEANIE: Jack Kent Cooke told my dad 215 00:10:00,975 --> 00:10:05,814 he was going through a divorce, and the judge decided 216 00:10:05,814 --> 00:10:10,068 to give his ex-wife $41 million. 217 00:10:10,068 --> 00:10:12,779 So he needed the cash. 218 00:10:12,779 --> 00:10:15,949 So Judge Wapner, who later gained fame 219 00:10:15,949 --> 00:10:21,121 as The People's Court judge, opened the door for my dad 220 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:23,665 to buy the Los Angeles Lakers. 221 00:10:23,665 --> 00:10:26,209 - Yeah, I said, "So when is this gonna happen?" 222 00:10:26,209 --> 00:10:28,253 He goes, "Right now." 223 00:10:28,253 --> 00:10:30,380 INTERVIEWER: Did you yourself, Jerry Buss, 224 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:32,799 fork out $68 million for the club? 225 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,259 - No. No, I didn't. 226 00:10:34,259 --> 00:10:35,718 STEVE: Jack Kent Cooke told him, 227 00:10:35,718 --> 00:10:37,887 "I want to do this thing to save on taxes." 228 00:10:37,887 --> 00:10:39,639 So Jerry says, "What do you have in mind?" 229 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:41,516 He says, "Well, you know, I've always liked 230 00:10:41,516 --> 00:10:42,976 "the Chrysler Building in New York. 231 00:10:42,976 --> 00:10:44,686 Could you get me that?" 232 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:46,271 [laughs] I said, "Well, oh, sure." 233 00:10:46,271 --> 00:10:48,565 - Jack Kent Cooke's attorneys was trying 234 00:10:48,565 --> 00:10:51,192 to do some kind of transaction that 235 00:10:51,192 --> 00:10:53,903 would benefit Jack Kent Cooke. 236 00:10:53,903 --> 00:10:57,699 CLAIRE: So Jerry started liquidating property 237 00:10:57,699 --> 00:11:01,911 to see if he could get the Chrysler Building. 238 00:11:01,911 --> 00:11:04,372 - You know, it was like this complicated scheme, 239 00:11:04,372 --> 00:11:06,624 and he has to buy the Chrysler Building. 240 00:11:06,624 --> 00:11:09,627 And I'm going, "Are you kidding me?" 241 00:11:12,255 --> 00:11:14,090 FRANK: The day of the transaction, 242 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:17,802 it appeared that we were short roughly $3 million 243 00:11:17,802 --> 00:11:19,095 to close the transaction. 244 00:11:19,095 --> 00:11:21,431 - My dad said, "Well, this is gonna be tough. 245 00:11:21,431 --> 00:11:22,557 "I just don't know how we're gonna 246 00:11:22,557 --> 00:11:24,058 come up with the extra money to do it." 247 00:11:24,058 --> 00:11:29,147 - So I borrowed 3 million from three of my friends-- 248 00:11:29,147 --> 00:11:31,566 Sam Nassi, 249 00:11:31,566 --> 00:11:34,194 Don Sterling, 250 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:35,945 and Jack Bausch. 251 00:11:36,821 --> 00:11:38,198 [cash register dings] 252 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:41,367 CLAIRE: Jerry bought the Chrysler Building, 253 00:11:41,367 --> 00:11:46,539 and he exchanged it for Lakers, Kings, 254 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:49,876 arena--the whole package. 255 00:11:49,876 --> 00:11:53,504 There was no money exchanged. 256 00:11:53,504 --> 00:11:58,760 It was set to be the most complicated transaction ever 257 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,722 in the NBA that the closing papers 258 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:08,645 were the size of the Manhattan phone book. 259 00:12:08,645 --> 00:12:10,813 BUSS: Upon its purchase, I was probably 260 00:12:10,813 --> 00:12:13,233 the most impressed of all the people. 261 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:16,110 Everybody left the Forum to go home that night. 262 00:12:16,110 --> 00:12:18,363 The lights were down low. 263 00:12:18,363 --> 00:12:21,532 I took a portable chair, sat it out 264 00:12:21,532 --> 00:12:24,702 in the middle of the basketball court, 265 00:12:24,702 --> 00:12:26,412 lighted a cigarette, and leaned back, 266 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:29,958 and I thought, "Wow, I've really arrived." 267 00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:34,128 - To think that he had nothing when he was little 268 00:12:34,128 --> 00:12:37,465 to this-- i-it's just kind of crazy. 269 00:12:41,302 --> 00:12:42,512 ANNOUNCER: So very entertaining. 270 00:12:42,512 --> 00:12:45,056 Five minutes to wind up the final score 271 00:12:45,056 --> 00:12:47,267 at the Fabulous Forum in Inglewood. 272 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:49,811 The defending MISL champions 5, 273 00:12:49,811 --> 00:12:51,896 and the Los Angeles Lazers 2. 274 00:12:51,896 --> 00:12:53,189 Stay tuned. We're coming back. 275 00:12:53,189 --> 00:12:56,234 - Our first year with the Lazers was atrocious. 276 00:12:56,234 --> 00:12:57,735 Atrocious. 277 00:12:59,737 --> 00:13:02,031 I think we were 8 and 40 or something like that. 278 00:13:02,031 --> 00:13:07,078 My dad relied on us winning or at least getting noticed 279 00:13:07,078 --> 00:13:09,455 so that people would come to the games. 280 00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:12,959 Of course, there was pressure by the fans and the media to, 281 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:14,627 you know, "Hey, get this going. 282 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:17,255 "You know, you can't sit here and be 283 00:13:17,255 --> 00:13:20,300 8 and 40 every single season." 284 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:21,592 We lost money. 285 00:13:21,592 --> 00:13:24,470 We lost probably at least $1/2 million 286 00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:27,223 that first year, if not more. 287 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:30,977 You could tell at that time I was starting to, uh, 288 00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:33,855 disassociate myself with a lot of people 289 00:13:33,855 --> 00:13:36,149 that worked at the Forum, you know. 290 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:38,651 I mean, at first it was like, "Yeah, let's all be buddies. 291 00:13:38,651 --> 00:13:41,821 Let's all be friends. Let's be family." 292 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:45,283 But my family didn't help me. 293 00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:47,535 CLAIRE: I had a friendship with Charlie, 294 00:13:47,535 --> 00:13:50,204 but he didn't wanna take advice. 295 00:13:50,204 --> 00:13:54,500 And if you're not making the forward steps 296 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:56,461 that you'd like to make, 297 00:13:56,461 --> 00:14:00,256 perhaps you should rethink things 298 00:14:00,256 --> 00:14:03,926 and ask for some help. 299 00:14:03,926 --> 00:14:06,387 - It was just a really hard period of time for me 300 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:11,059 because I, uh, I just couldn't take it anymore. 301 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:13,227 My dad said, "Do you want to talk about it? 302 00:14:13,227 --> 00:14:15,855 "Do you want to talk about what changes 303 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,482 I can make or help you make?" 304 00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:20,818 And I said, "No, Dad. I just really think it's over. 305 00:14:20,818 --> 00:14:22,403 I just really think it's over for me." 306 00:14:22,403 --> 00:14:24,155 It was too much pressure. 307 00:14:24,155 --> 00:14:28,826 Um, you know, I haven't slept in three years. 308 00:14:28,826 --> 00:14:32,121 Um, I'm working 24 hours a day. 309 00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:33,998 I-I just can't do it anymore. 310 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:37,418 - I was shocked, you know, when my dad gave me the call 311 00:14:37,418 --> 00:14:40,088 and just said, "Okay, I need you to run the Lazers." 312 00:14:40,088 --> 00:14:41,589 And I'm like, "Well, what happened?" 313 00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:44,342 You know, it was that kind of thing. 314 00:14:44,342 --> 00:14:45,468 - I just needed some time off 315 00:14:45,468 --> 00:14:48,513 to figure out what was going on. 316 00:14:48,513 --> 00:14:50,681 Here I was, the oldest, 317 00:14:50,681 --> 00:14:53,726 and I was being groomed for something. 318 00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:57,396 And I said, "Truthfully, Dad, I don't see where I fit in." 319 00:14:57,396 --> 00:15:00,608 And uh, yeah, I think it really hurt him. 320 00:15:00,608 --> 00:15:02,985 I really think it hurt him. 321 00:15:02,985 --> 00:15:05,613 - I spoke to my dad about it, and he said, 322 00:15:05,613 --> 00:15:08,032 "Jeanie, you know, when you're the oldest son, 323 00:15:08,032 --> 00:15:10,368 "you're expected 324 00:15:10,368 --> 00:15:12,036 "to do everything. 325 00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:14,372 Everything's supposed to come to you." 326 00:15:14,372 --> 00:15:17,750 And, you know, he-- he worried about Johnny. 327 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:20,002 - I don't wanna say he's more emotional. 328 00:15:20,002 --> 00:15:23,548 Um, I don't know if it was just the way 329 00:15:23,548 --> 00:15:26,801 he was treated by my dad, I'm not sure, 330 00:15:26,801 --> 00:15:30,263 but, you know, my dad asked me to do something, I do it. 331 00:15:30,263 --> 00:15:33,975 So it wasn't very hard to take over there. Ha. 332 00:15:45,278 --> 00:15:48,489 JOHNNY: I know from my father that Jeanie was upset 333 00:15:48,489 --> 00:15:50,533 because she thinks that, you know, 334 00:15:50,533 --> 00:15:52,451 the boys get everything first. 335 00:15:52,451 --> 00:15:55,705 JEANIE: There was no conversation with me about it, 336 00:15:55,705 --> 00:15:57,832 which at some level kind of hurt me. 337 00:15:57,832 --> 00:15:59,625 JIM: Does she have a right to be upset? 338 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:01,919 I don't--I don't think so. 339 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,130 JEANIE: I looked at those opportunities 340 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:07,675 as things that either I wasn't considered for 341 00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:10,803 or that he didn't think I was capable of doing. 342 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:13,848 And I wanted to prove that I could take on any challenge 343 00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:15,349 that he threw at me. 344 00:16:15,349 --> 00:16:18,102 - I mean, in which way did she have the right to take over? 345 00:16:18,102 --> 00:16:21,522 By age? No, I was second, you know. 346 00:16:21,522 --> 00:16:25,401 So I'm not sure what her basis of complaint would be, 347 00:16:25,401 --> 00:16:27,778 but just the information that I know, 348 00:16:27,778 --> 00:16:30,323 I know I don't see her reasoning 349 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:33,784 for getting upset at my dad, I don't know. 350 00:16:33,784 --> 00:16:37,121 BUSS: I think you have to realize that children 351 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:40,666 are independent individuals, 352 00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:43,920 and I don't see any conflict, uh, 353 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,838 between my daughters and my sons. 354 00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:47,089 I think there's certainly enough 355 00:16:47,089 --> 00:16:49,634 sports teams to go around. 356 00:16:49,634 --> 00:16:52,303 - Me being ambitious, I-- you know, it was kind of like, 357 00:16:52,303 --> 00:16:53,596 "I could run that team too." 358 00:16:53,596 --> 00:16:56,390 Like, I always took on whatever, 359 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:59,977 but, you know, my understanding of the situation 360 00:16:59,977 --> 00:17:03,022 was that my dad wanted Jimmy to have an opportunity 361 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,566 to run a team to see how he could do. 362 00:17:07,652 --> 00:17:11,906 [crowd cheering] 363 00:17:11,906 --> 00:17:13,950 ANNOUNCER: The Rockets are one game away 364 00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:16,744 from ending the Lakers' championship race. 365 00:17:16,744 --> 00:17:19,580 But now one second to go, and this game 366 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:21,457 very close to going into overtime, 367 00:17:21,457 --> 00:17:22,959 and again, we must tell you... 368 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:27,588 - At the end of '86, we run into an incredible opponent. 369 00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:31,217 Houston, they had the Twin Towers. [laughs] 370 00:17:31,217 --> 00:17:33,761 Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Sampson. 371 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:38,057 ANNOUNCER: One second on the clock. 372 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:39,559 Sampson. [buzzer blares] 373 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:42,562 It goes! It goes! It's over! 374 00:17:42,562 --> 00:17:45,982 Ralph Sampson has given the Houston Rockets 375 00:17:45,982 --> 00:17:48,317 the Western Conference Championship. 376 00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:49,569 BYRON: If we don't win the championship, 377 00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:51,237 the season wasn't a good season. 378 00:17:51,237 --> 00:17:54,657 So for us, you know, obviously, it wasn't a good season in '86. 379 00:17:54,657 --> 00:17:56,200 SPORTSCASTER: You know, it's not by accident 380 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,745 that there hasn't been a repeat champion since 1969. 381 00:17:59,745 --> 00:18:01,080 PAT: When we lost to the Twin 382 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,748 Towers, all of the sudden, 383 00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:06,294 in somebody's mind, "We need to get another big." 384 00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:11,382 DAVID STERN: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 385 00:18:11,382 --> 00:18:16,804 Welcome to the 1986 NBA draft. [applause] 386 00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:21,058 - I was back in North Carolina watching the draft. 387 00:18:21,058 --> 00:18:23,603 - Today's draftees will surely add 388 00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:25,438 new dimensions to our game. 389 00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:28,357 - So when it got to the Lakers' pick, I just kind of tuned in. 390 00:18:28,357 --> 00:18:30,443 - I'm standing here with one of America's best-known 391 00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:32,111 sports writers, basketball man, 392 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:33,738 Pete Vecsey from the "New York Post." 393 00:18:33,738 --> 00:18:36,157 Pete knows everything there is about pro basketball. 394 00:18:36,157 --> 00:18:37,742 Is Roy Tarpley gonna stay in Dallas? 395 00:18:37,742 --> 00:18:39,577 - Well, they could definitely use him, 396 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:43,122 but the, uh, the, uh, Lakers have offered James Worthy 397 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:45,166 for Mark Aguirre and Tarpley. 398 00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:47,793 - What the hell is going on? 399 00:18:47,793 --> 00:18:50,254 - This was news to everybody, okay? 400 00:18:50,254 --> 00:18:52,089 Because it came out in the media. 401 00:18:52,089 --> 00:18:55,176 - Well, I was like, "What? No one told me about this. 402 00:18:55,176 --> 00:18:57,970 At least I could have received a phone call." 403 00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:00,389 - I didn't know about it, and there was one other person 404 00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:02,725 didn't know about it-- Jerry West. 405 00:19:02,725 --> 00:19:05,061 - I-I had no idea. 406 00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:07,563 I was not even aware of it. 407 00:19:07,563 --> 00:19:08,939 - When you lose people who are on the cho-- 408 00:19:08,939 --> 00:19:11,609 chopping block, definitely. 409 00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:14,362 But uh, James Worthy is not the type of player 410 00:19:14,362 --> 00:19:16,656 that you put on the chopping block 411 00:19:16,656 --> 00:19:19,450 unless you have a pistol at your head. 412 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:22,453 WEST: I get a call from Dr. Buss and said to me, 413 00:19:22,453 --> 00:19:24,205 "We just made a trade." 414 00:19:24,205 --> 00:19:25,915 I said, "Oh, really?" 415 00:19:25,915 --> 00:19:29,085 He said, "We're going to trade James Worthy 416 00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:31,337 for Mark Aguirre and Roy Tarpley." 417 00:19:31,337 --> 00:19:32,963 I said, "What?" 418 00:19:32,963 --> 00:19:36,634 - I had also heard a quote that 419 00:19:36,634 --> 00:19:40,179 Magic Johnson also approves this trade. 420 00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:43,182 And I just--it just tore-- it just--it just tore me up. 421 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:46,560 MAGIC: Mark Aguirre was one of my best friends at that time. 422 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,732 So now everybody thought I was driving this trade. 423 00:19:51,732 --> 00:19:53,859 MICHAEL: Magic was like, "Well, Coop, you know what? 424 00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:56,112 "Hey, this is something that they're looking at. 425 00:19:56,112 --> 00:19:57,655 What do you think about Mark Aguirre?" 426 00:19:57,655 --> 00:20:00,866 And I just said I didn't think that was a move to make. 427 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:03,077 [tense music] 428 00:20:03,077 --> 00:20:08,040 - And then my phone rang, and it was a reporter from LA. 429 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,377 The reporter caught me in a very emotional moment, 430 00:20:11,377 --> 00:20:12,837 and I was like, "I don't know who the manager 431 00:20:12,837 --> 00:20:14,964 "of this club is. I don't know who's running it. 432 00:20:14,964 --> 00:20:16,590 Is it Jerry West? Is it Magic?" 433 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:19,009 You know, I was taking on these quotes. 434 00:20:19,009 --> 00:20:20,386 - Jerry and I talked three times on the phone. 435 00:20:20,386 --> 00:20:22,680 I said, "Jerry, you don't need me to work here." 436 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,807 I said, "You know, I just--" I said, 437 00:20:24,807 --> 00:20:28,519 "We have a terrific team if we just play the right way." 438 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:29,770 And he said, "Well, I've already 439 00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:33,482 made the deal with him," and I said--I said, 440 00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:35,109 "Jerry, I don't wanna do this anymore. 441 00:20:35,109 --> 00:20:36,485 Okay? I don't." 442 00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:37,862 And I said, "I'm just telling you, 443 00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:41,866 this will be a gigantic mistake if you do it." 444 00:20:41,866 --> 00:20:44,076 BUSS: He said, "We shouldn't do this trade," 445 00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:48,080 and I said, "No, we should not do this trade." 446 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,040 - I get back to LA, and Dr. Buss 447 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,169 wants to talk to me. 448 00:20:53,169 --> 00:20:55,212 His office had no windows. 449 00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:57,882 There was this old panel wood. 450 00:20:57,882 --> 00:21:00,843 He had his desk sitting up on a platform 451 00:21:00,843 --> 00:21:03,763 just a little bit higher, you're kind of looking up. 452 00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:07,224 I got my chest up pretty big, 'cause I'm like, "Yeah. 453 00:21:07,224 --> 00:21:08,559 I said what I said." 454 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,687 And he's probably going to say, "I'm sorry." 455 00:21:11,687 --> 00:21:14,565 He's, like, took a little hit from that cigarette, 456 00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:18,819 put it down, and-- and he just started. 457 00:21:18,819 --> 00:21:20,988 "James, I understand that, you know, you're upset. 458 00:21:20,988 --> 00:21:22,823 "You hear your name in trade rumors, 459 00:21:22,823 --> 00:21:29,580 and you act on quotes that might or may not be true." 460 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:32,082 And he looks at me, and he says, 461 00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:35,836 "But when you say management," he said, "that's me." 462 00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:38,714 [laughs] 463 00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:42,384 After that, our relationship was closer 464 00:21:42,384 --> 00:21:46,680 because he could see in me 465 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,351 probably the same thing he could see in his own kids. 466 00:21:50,351 --> 00:21:54,480 Inexperience, fears, 467 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,858 whatever anxieties I had at 25, 26. 468 00:21:57,858 --> 00:21:59,944 So for me, that was like, 469 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:01,570 "Oh, I can talk to him about anything. 470 00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:04,156 "You know, he's open to conversation. 471 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:05,449 His door is open." 472 00:22:05,449 --> 00:22:07,701 And that's-- I knew he was a cool owner, 473 00:22:07,701 --> 00:22:11,831 but that's when I knew he was the best owner. 474 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:15,125 JEANIE: My dad realized that in our business, 475 00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:17,211 you have to accept the realities 476 00:22:17,211 --> 00:22:19,713 of what could be painful. 477 00:22:19,713 --> 00:22:22,758 And of course, the first thing that comes to mind 478 00:22:22,758 --> 00:22:25,427 is trading a player away. 479 00:22:25,427 --> 00:22:28,806 JOHNNY: Even though it affected him emotionally 480 00:22:28,806 --> 00:22:31,183 and physically at times, 481 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:33,477 meaning twice as many cigarettes, 482 00:22:33,477 --> 00:22:35,896 twice as much alcohol, uh, 483 00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:38,482 I think my dad always welcomed a challenge. 484 00:22:42,528 --> 00:22:46,615 [basketball dribbling, shoes squeaking] 485 00:22:46,615 --> 00:22:49,535 BYRON: 1986, we didn't get a chance 486 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:51,328 to get to the final to defend our title. 487 00:22:51,328 --> 00:22:53,664 So we all had the same mentality, you know. 488 00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:55,249 We lost, and we working out early 489 00:22:55,249 --> 00:22:56,500 to make sure we don't 490 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,919 have that same feeling that we just felt. 491 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:01,755 PAT: Use your hands now. 492 00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:04,049 All right. That's it. 493 00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:06,093 There we go. Early two-man game. 494 00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:08,470 MICHAEL: This team is made up of winners, 495 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:12,141 and this team loved challenges. 496 00:23:12,141 --> 00:23:16,770 So it's a challenge now to see if we can do it again. 497 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:18,939 - We want that over the top. 498 00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:21,025 Well, you gotta have goals, okay? 499 00:23:21,025 --> 00:23:24,361 So I challenged the players to have 500 00:23:24,361 --> 00:23:26,697 what I call career-best efforts, 501 00:23:26,697 --> 00:23:32,161 that if everybody could go 1% above their career-best year, 502 00:23:32,161 --> 00:23:36,999 we conceivably with 12 players in five categories 503 00:23:36,999 --> 00:23:40,085 could have an overall improvement of 60%. 504 00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:42,212 Eh--mathematically, it made sense. 505 00:23:42,212 --> 00:23:43,547 I explained this to Jerry Buss. 506 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:45,966 He said, "Brilliant. That is a wonderful thing." 507 00:23:45,966 --> 00:23:49,345 He said, "Now get 'em to do it." 508 00:23:49,345 --> 00:23:52,848 That's when that team matured in '87 509 00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:54,600 through all the adversity, all the good, 510 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,727 all the bad, all the joking, all that stuff, 511 00:23:56,727 --> 00:23:59,021 and we were dominant. 512 00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:00,856 We were beating teams by 20. 513 00:24:00,856 --> 00:24:04,818 I mean, we were just dominant. 514 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:08,238 At the end of the season, we won 65 games, 515 00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:10,324 and we had come to this point as a team 516 00:24:10,324 --> 00:24:13,535 where we matured into a dynasty. 517 00:24:13,535 --> 00:24:15,871 ANNOUNCER: The Forum in Inglewood, California, 518 00:24:15,871 --> 00:24:18,290 where the 1987 NBA Championship 519 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,376 will be decided, either this afternoon in a... 520 00:24:20,376 --> 00:24:21,835 STEVE: You could make arguments 521 00:24:21,835 --> 00:24:23,837 one way or the other, but generally, 522 00:24:23,837 --> 00:24:25,923 most people-- and I wouldn't dispute it-- 523 00:24:25,923 --> 00:24:28,217 feel that '87 team is considered 524 00:24:28,217 --> 00:24:30,469 the peak of the Lakers. 525 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:31,845 - Behind us is maybe the largest 526 00:24:31,845 --> 00:24:33,138 doctor's office in America. 527 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:35,057 Dr. Jerry Buss, did you ever realize 528 00:24:35,057 --> 00:24:37,559 when you bought this franchise that it'd come to this? 529 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:39,478 - Well, we certainly hoped it would, Pat. 530 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,939 I mean, uh, from the very beginning, 531 00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:43,649 this is the kind of thing we wanted to do, 532 00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:46,402 but it's grown beyond my wildest expectation, 533 00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:48,404 and I'm just thrilled with it. 534 00:24:48,404 --> 00:24:49,738 ANNOUNCER: This is really not your typical 535 00:24:49,738 --> 00:24:51,240 LA-Boston matchup. 536 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,992 For the first time in that rivalry, 537 00:24:52,992 --> 00:24:55,411 we have a clear-cut favorite, and that's the Lakers. 538 00:24:55,411 --> 00:24:58,956 Magic to Worthy. Two more. 539 00:24:58,956 --> 00:25:01,917 STEVE: The one moment everybody remembers in '87 540 00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:04,044 is Magic's baby sky hook. 541 00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:06,505 ANNOUNCER: Five seconds to go. 542 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,216 Magic with a hook shot. Scores with 2. 543 00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:10,843 - You think the Lakers have won. 544 00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:13,053 Larry Bird gets into the corner 545 00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:15,264 and throws up a shot that just misses the 3 546 00:25:15,264 --> 00:25:16,640 that would have won it for the Celtics. 547 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,142 ANNOUNCER: And the Lakers have won, 548 00:25:18,142 --> 00:25:20,853 and Pat Riley and the Lakers dance off the court. 549 00:25:20,853 --> 00:25:24,398 - '87 was a problem for us. We had a lot of injuries. 550 00:25:24,398 --> 00:25:27,359 When Kevin broke that foot, he wasn't the same. 551 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,029 Bill wasn't playing. Danny wasn't right. 552 00:25:30,029 --> 00:25:31,405 Robert wasn't right. 553 00:25:31,405 --> 00:25:32,865 But you can't make excuses. 554 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,908 It's part of the game, and they were just better. 555 00:25:34,908 --> 00:25:38,037 AUDIENCE: Three, two, one! 556 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:41,081 [cheers and applause] 557 00:25:41,081 --> 00:25:43,751 PAT: We won the championship at the Celtics in '87. 558 00:25:43,751 --> 00:25:45,085 We blew 'em out. 559 00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:47,046 And we beat 'em in, I think, six games, 560 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:48,797 but it was like, really, I mean, 561 00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:51,258 we beat 'em by 20, by 20. 562 00:25:51,258 --> 00:25:53,802 It wasn't showtime. It was just--it was greatness. 563 00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:56,180 [cheers and applause] 564 00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:59,183 [upbeat marching band music] 565 00:25:59,183 --> 00:26:02,895 ♪ ♪ 566 00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:06,231 JAMES: We were hung over on the stage the morning after 567 00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:08,525 expecting to just party some more 568 00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:11,987 and live into the summer and take vacations. 569 00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:13,113 And Pat Riley stands up. 570 00:26:13,113 --> 00:26:16,325 - Pat Riley. [cheers and applause] 571 00:26:16,325 --> 00:26:19,328 - I feel grateful to be part of the team. 572 00:26:19,328 --> 00:26:23,248 I feel grateful to be alive and living in Los Angeles. 573 00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:26,376 And I'm guaranteeing everybody here, 574 00:26:26,376 --> 00:26:29,671 next year, we're gonna win it again. 575 00:26:29,671 --> 00:26:33,050 - What the hell did he just say? 576 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:35,469 And did he just put that kind of pressure on us? 577 00:26:35,469 --> 00:26:38,472 - Right when we're trying to enjoy winning one, 578 00:26:38,472 --> 00:26:40,474 he's, like, talking about the next one. 579 00:26:40,474 --> 00:26:43,644 Man. Give us a break. 580 00:26:43,644 --> 00:26:46,021 Wow. 581 00:26:46,021 --> 00:26:48,482 PAT: In '71-'72, we won the championship. 582 00:26:48,482 --> 00:26:49,983 We lost the next year. 583 00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:52,111 '79-'80, we won the championship. 584 00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:53,654 We lost the next year. 585 00:26:53,654 --> 00:26:56,281 '82, we won the championship, we lost the next year. 586 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:58,242 '85 we won it, we lost it. 587 00:26:58,242 --> 00:26:59,660 So every time we win a championship, 588 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:00,828 we're gonna lose. 589 00:27:00,828 --> 00:27:03,997 So why don't we just go home, you know? 590 00:27:03,997 --> 00:27:06,750 GARY: It hadn't been done in 19 years. 591 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:08,418 You had to be better than just good. 592 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:09,795 You had to be better than just great. 593 00:27:09,795 --> 00:27:11,880 There was great teams that couldn't do it. 594 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,132 What was gonna make us do it? 595 00:27:13,132 --> 00:27:16,135 Well, you know, you put the carrot. 596 00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:18,095 - So when I said, "I guarantee you 597 00:27:18,095 --> 00:27:20,097 we're gonna win again next year," 598 00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:23,725 I wanted them to own their greatness. 599 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,727 And they--they were pissed off. 600 00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:27,604 They--they weren't real happy. 601 00:27:27,604 --> 00:27:29,982 They said, "Coach, could we just exhale 602 00:27:29,982 --> 00:27:31,525 before you put more goals on us?" 603 00:27:31,525 --> 00:27:34,486 I said, "Well, we've exhaled four times, guys. 604 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:35,571 "And guess what? 605 00:27:35,571 --> 00:27:37,030 "Every year, we came back and lost. 606 00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:39,533 "So I'm gonna make you own your greatness, okay? 607 00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:40,826 We are gonna own it." 608 00:27:40,826 --> 00:27:43,829 [pensive music] 609 00:27:43,829 --> 00:27:47,249 ♪ ♪ 610 00:27:51,044 --> 00:27:54,131 - Good evening. Today is Black Monday, 611 00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:55,299 the day the Dow dropped 612 00:27:55,299 --> 00:27:57,259 more than 500 points, 613 00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:59,386 more than 22%, 614 00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:00,721 almost double the rate of the beginning 615 00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:03,640 of the crash of 1929. 616 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,976 NEWSCASTER: Channel 2 News has learned exclusively 617 00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:08,228 that the real estate mogul and owner of the Lakers 618 00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:11,523 and the Kings is currently in crucial negotiations 619 00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:15,777 to save his whole empire from possible bank foreclosure. 620 00:28:15,777 --> 00:28:17,154 - So there's some rumors circulating that 621 00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:19,573 Forum sports czar Jerry Buss 622 00:28:19,573 --> 00:28:21,366 has been having some financial problems, 623 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:23,243 and there was a possibility that he would have 624 00:28:23,243 --> 00:28:24,661 to sell some of his holdings. 625 00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:26,538 - We've learned that the bank is concerned 626 00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:29,416 about payments on more than $100 million in debts. 627 00:28:29,416 --> 00:28:32,502 - I went to my dad, and I said, "What does this mean?" 628 00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:36,131 And he explained what was happening. 629 00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:39,134 There was a big financial crush 630 00:28:39,134 --> 00:28:41,345 on the real estate business, 631 00:28:41,345 --> 00:28:44,222 and it may affect the other businesses 632 00:28:44,222 --> 00:28:46,975 'cause everything's leveraged off each other. 633 00:28:46,975 --> 00:28:48,477 JIM: He leveraged everything. 634 00:28:48,477 --> 00:28:52,105 So if you make a mistake, you're gonna fall hard. 635 00:28:52,105 --> 00:28:56,652 If the loans don't go right, we could... 636 00:28:56,652 --> 00:28:59,029 be forced to sell the Lakers, yeah. 637 00:28:59,029 --> 00:29:02,074 - When your father looks you in the eyes and says, 638 00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:07,412 "We may lose everything," you know it's true. Ha ha. 639 00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:08,789 INTERVIEWER: Are you in any way, shape, or form 640 00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:09,998 in financial trouble? 641 00:29:09,998 --> 00:29:12,542 - No, I am not. I am solvent. 642 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:14,878 Uh, the Lakers are fine. They're winning. 643 00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:16,713 The Kings are fine. They're winning. 644 00:29:16,713 --> 00:29:18,757 The Lazers are fine. They're winning. 645 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:21,301 And, uh, where all this is coming about, I don't know. 646 00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:24,346 Uh, somebody claims I borrowed $100 million. 647 00:29:24,346 --> 00:29:25,722 I-I don't know what I did with it. 648 00:29:25,722 --> 00:29:27,766 I'd sure like to see it if I did. 649 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,643 STEVE: Jerry Buss was brilliant, 650 00:29:29,643 --> 00:29:31,061 and he could do a poker face whenever 651 00:29:31,061 --> 00:29:32,562 there were financial problems, but, you know, 652 00:29:32,562 --> 00:29:34,106 he was--he was playing poker with us, 653 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:36,650 and, uh, he wasn't showing us his cards. 654 00:29:36,650 --> 00:29:40,946 - As a owner, you do not want your players 655 00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:43,281 to worry if their paycheck's gonna bounce 656 00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:45,909 because they'll want to switch teams. 657 00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:48,704 They don't wanna be on the team that's gonna go bankrupt. 658 00:29:48,704 --> 00:29:53,000 - It's the only time I've ever seen him at practice. 659 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,752 He came at, like, 9:30 in the morning 660 00:29:55,752 --> 00:30:02,259 to reassure us that there was no difficulty in his finances 661 00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:04,386 and that everything was running smooth. 662 00:30:04,386 --> 00:30:06,972 I think that's the first time I ever saw him, like, 663 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:09,558 come close to being pissed off. 664 00:30:09,558 --> 00:30:10,976 - There hasn't been any problems 665 00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:13,937 with any of the team members as far as getting paid 666 00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:15,689 or anything like that. 667 00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:20,819 So, uh, from our, uh, vantage point, 668 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,863 there's nothing irregular going on. 669 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:26,199 - Since everything has been on time and everybody's, uh, 670 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:29,369 you know, been happy and the checks are rolling in, 671 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:30,704 there's no problem with us. 672 00:30:30,704 --> 00:30:34,166 I think we're just gonna continue to play basketball. 673 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:36,209 LON: I was working as an intern at the time, 674 00:30:36,209 --> 00:30:38,879 and Jerry called me into his office. 675 00:30:38,879 --> 00:30:41,631 And he said, "I know you're reading all the stories. 676 00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:43,133 "I'ma get through it. Don't worry about it. 677 00:30:43,133 --> 00:30:45,177 You're gonna get your paycheck." 678 00:30:45,177 --> 00:30:48,055 It must have been a terrible thing that he was going through 679 00:30:48,055 --> 00:30:51,725 to call little old me in his office, um, 680 00:30:51,725 --> 00:30:54,478 but obviously, he knew others were concerned. 681 00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:58,023 - I feel fine. Uh, I'm somewhat hurt by this. 682 00:30:58,023 --> 00:31:00,901 And, uh, I suppose I've been damaged by it, 683 00:31:00,901 --> 00:31:05,238 but, uh, uh, we'll just let time speak for itself. 684 00:31:05,238 --> 00:31:07,449 - He said, "We gotta cut everything 685 00:31:07,449 --> 00:31:08,950 "that isn't making money. 686 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:12,788 You know, everything that's a negative cash flow for us." 687 00:31:12,788 --> 00:31:15,499 You know, we eliminated positions, 688 00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:20,212 um, and we, you know, tightened our belts. 689 00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:23,090 JOHNNY: That was his toughest time for sure. 690 00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:25,967 PAT: The pressure was on. 691 00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:31,556 - He was going to do anything he could to keep the Lakers. 692 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:34,684 JEANIE: He asked me to try to find more events 693 00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:36,728 to put into the arena. 694 00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:40,065 He said, "There's still 250 nights a year 695 00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:43,068 that you've gotta fill up with programming." 696 00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:44,778 LINDA: He'd put pressure on her. 697 00:31:44,778 --> 00:31:47,405 Like, we'd be in meetings with him, 698 00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:53,370 and he would set goals and expectations for us. 699 00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:58,875 JEANIE: At one point, he sent Linda and I to Russia 700 00:31:58,875 --> 00:32:02,629 to negotiate to bring the Leningrad Ice Ballet. 701 00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:04,714 You know, this is the '80s. 702 00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:08,385 This is, like, Reagan and Gorbachev and all that. 703 00:32:08,385 --> 00:32:12,264 And, you know, to send two 20-year-olds into Russia 704 00:32:12,264 --> 00:32:14,599 to negotiate with the government 705 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:18,270 seemed like kind of like a crazy idea. 706 00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:22,440 LINDA: We ended up booking the Russian circus 707 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:29,281 and ice ballet, indoor gymnastics, volleyball. 708 00:32:29,281 --> 00:32:33,410 We even did a track and field event. 709 00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:37,831 - My sister was getting involved in events as well. 710 00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:40,292 JANIE: At the time, I was answering phones, 711 00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:44,004 and I didn't look at it as a job. 712 00:32:44,004 --> 00:32:49,551 I--there was something to be done and get it done. 713 00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:52,470 LINDA: We were helping him accomplish 714 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:54,931 what he needed us to accomplish, 715 00:32:54,931 --> 00:32:59,436 which was more nights filled in the building. 716 00:32:59,436 --> 00:33:02,939 Whatever it took, be creative. 717 00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:08,320 - That time period for my dad was kind of a wakeup call. 718 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,740 And, you know, he realized he couldn't ignore things. 719 00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:14,451 Things wouldn't just go away. 720 00:33:14,451 --> 00:33:18,371 But you know, that's when my dad's relationships 721 00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:21,249 with bankers became so important. 722 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:24,252 One of those banks was Great Western, 723 00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:29,716 and he came up with the idea of renaming the Forum 724 00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:31,218 the Great Western Forum. 725 00:33:31,218 --> 00:33:34,512 SINGER: ♪ You're a rich girl, and you've gone too far ♪ 726 00:33:34,512 --> 00:33:37,307 JEANIE: They paid him a sponsorship fee, 727 00:33:37,307 --> 00:33:42,187 which he could use to help pay off some of the debt. 728 00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:47,317 He sold something that wasn't a tangible asset. 729 00:33:47,317 --> 00:33:50,570 When you sell the name, you didn't sell anything. 730 00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:53,823 So he got value outta something that wasn't even there. 731 00:33:53,823 --> 00:33:57,118 - And it was so simple. It was so simple. 732 00:33:57,118 --> 00:34:02,499 And he goes, "I think it's gonna change sports." 733 00:34:02,499 --> 00:34:05,794 STEVE: The Great Western Forum was one of the first examples 734 00:34:05,794 --> 00:34:07,921 of naming rights, but it was brilliant 735 00:34:07,921 --> 00:34:09,923 because it didn't sound like a corporate name. 736 00:34:09,923 --> 00:34:15,262 It just sounded like a great way to describe a fancy arena. 737 00:34:15,262 --> 00:34:16,930 JEANIE: Something else that he had had 738 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,099 in his mind for several years 739 00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:21,601 was to start his own cable channel. 740 00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:25,397 So he did his research and decided 741 00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:27,065 to create Prime Ticket. 742 00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:28,316 ANNOUNCER: It's Prime Ticket, 743 00:34:28,316 --> 00:34:30,026 a new all-sports television network 744 00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:31,528 that will have Southern California 745 00:34:31,528 --> 00:34:33,405 on the edge of their seats for each 746 00:34:33,405 --> 00:34:35,240 and every power-packed event. 747 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,700 JEANIE: In the early '80s, 748 00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:39,786 you didn't put your home games on television 749 00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:42,289 because if your games were on TV, 750 00:34:42,289 --> 00:34:45,375 people wouldn't buy tickets. 751 00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:46,793 I said, "You know, Dad, 752 00:34:46,793 --> 00:34:49,296 this is gonna hurt our ticket sales." 753 00:34:49,296 --> 00:34:52,549 And he said, "No, Jeanie, you have to think about 754 00:34:52,549 --> 00:34:55,844 how many games do we sell out?" and I said, "All of 'em." 755 00:34:55,844 --> 00:34:59,848 And he said, "Well, that means only 17,505 people 756 00:34:59,848 --> 00:35:03,685 "get to see a home game. By broadcasting the games, 757 00:35:03,685 --> 00:35:06,271 "we increase the size of the Forum, 758 00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:09,733 and everybody who wants to see a game can." 759 00:35:09,733 --> 00:35:12,110 - Stay tuned next for exciting Lakers basketball, 760 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:13,987 the home opener capacity crowd, 761 00:35:13,987 --> 00:35:16,197 the Lakers against the Cleveland Cavaliers 762 00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:17,657 here on Prime Ticket. 763 00:35:17,657 --> 00:35:19,075 JEANIE: In addition to the money 764 00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:21,786 that you would get paid by the cable operators, 765 00:35:21,786 --> 00:35:24,122 you were able to sell advertising 766 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,041 and bring in more dollars. 767 00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:29,127 - It puts a lot of money in his pocket, I think. 768 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:32,797 'Cause I didn't hear the rumors about bankruptcy anymore. 769 00:35:35,842 --> 00:35:38,261 PAT: It's the same situation. Move down. Move. 770 00:35:38,261 --> 00:35:39,721 He starts to fight over now. 771 00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:42,307 I help a little bit. I let him in. Okay? 772 00:35:42,307 --> 00:35:45,143 JAMES: Pat Riley stands up and guarantees 773 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:48,938 to thousands of people that we're gonna do it again. 774 00:35:48,938 --> 00:35:50,732 That statement gave him the right 775 00:35:50,732 --> 00:35:52,734 to get in our face even more 776 00:35:52,734 --> 00:35:56,196 and pull out of us what we didn't have. 777 00:35:56,196 --> 00:35:58,782 KAREEN: He put so much pressure on us to repeat. 778 00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:03,620 I guess if that was wisdom when he did it, but jeez. 779 00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:05,455 MICHAEL: I want to repeat real bad 780 00:36:05,455 --> 00:36:10,001 because there's nothing really left to do but that. [laughs] 781 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:11,419 [suspenseful music] 782 00:36:11,419 --> 00:36:12,879 SPORTSCASTER: Without a doubt, the Lakers 783 00:36:12,879 --> 00:36:14,589 are the team of the '80s. 784 00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:17,384 They have won four NBA Championships. 785 00:36:17,384 --> 00:36:20,845 That drive for five only four victories away, 786 00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:22,806 and there is another goal for this team. 787 00:36:22,806 --> 00:36:24,224 If they win this one, 788 00:36:24,224 --> 00:36:26,017 they will become the first squad 789 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:28,603 since the Celtics back in '68 and '69 790 00:36:28,603 --> 00:36:31,648 to win back-to-back NBA Championships. 791 00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:37,237 ANNOUNCER: At guard, Earvin "Magic" Johnson. 792 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:39,447 PAT: We've been together for eight years. 793 00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:42,409 There is nothing to lose for this team. 794 00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:45,203 The only thing they can lose is a great opportunity, 795 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:48,039 and the reason that I made the statement is 796 00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:51,042 I wanted everybody to pay attention to the opportunity. 797 00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:56,214 STEVE: Kareem had the greatest quote in the '88 playoffs. 798 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:57,966 Someone said, "Are you guys gonna repeat?" 799 00:36:57,966 --> 00:37:00,260 And Kareem, who only gave a few words when he had to, 800 00:37:00,260 --> 00:37:03,596 said, "We're the only ones who can." 801 00:37:03,596 --> 00:37:09,352 - '85, '86, '87, Boston, LA, those two teams, 802 00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:11,771 people rank them as, you know, 803 00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:15,150 two of the best teams to ever play. 804 00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:17,569 In '88, we break through, 805 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,195 and now we get 806 00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:20,947 the chance to play the Lakers. 807 00:37:20,947 --> 00:37:23,032 JOHN: You're not really a competitor 808 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,243 if you don't want to go against the best, 809 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:27,287 if you don't want to prove yourself, 810 00:37:27,287 --> 00:37:29,789 knock them off their boat. 811 00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:31,166 A.C.: We knew they were good. 812 00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:32,876 There was an element of respect 813 00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:34,210 of who we were playing against, 814 00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:37,297 but of course, it still was not the Celtics. 815 00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:38,506 ANNOUNCER: Game one of the finals, 816 00:37:38,506 --> 00:37:40,300 and keep in mind that 70% 817 00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:41,634 of the winners of game one 818 00:37:41,634 --> 00:37:43,344 have gone on to win the championship. 819 00:37:43,344 --> 00:37:45,346 JOHN: When we beat them in game one, 820 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:48,600 we knew that, you know, they were human. 821 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,977 ISIAH: You know, after game one, you know, 822 00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:53,229 I felt like we were a better team 823 00:37:53,229 --> 00:37:55,023 and could beat the Lakers. 824 00:37:55,023 --> 00:37:58,067 ANNOUNCER: Welcome to game two as the Los Angeles Lakers 825 00:37:58,067 --> 00:38:01,196 try to avenge the first game lost to the Detroit Pistons. 826 00:38:01,196 --> 00:38:04,449 ISIAH: Game two, we're a minute to go in the game. 827 00:38:04,449 --> 00:38:06,910 We get a 24-second violation 828 00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:09,037 against the Lakers, 829 00:38:09,037 --> 00:38:12,832 and the officials somehow give the Lakers back the ball. 830 00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:14,125 ANNOUNCER: It did hit the rim. 831 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,127 ISIAH: That's a momentum killer. 832 00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:18,630 And, you know, they end up winning the game. 833 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:20,632 JOHN: They beat us in game three, 834 00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:22,217 and that shocked us, 835 00:38:22,217 --> 00:38:24,636 but we got 'em back in four and five. 836 00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,763 ISIAH: You know, it puts a lot of pressure on the Lakers now. 837 00:38:26,763 --> 00:38:28,014 Uh, we are up 3-2, 838 00:38:28,014 --> 00:38:29,891 and they have to go home and win two games. 839 00:38:29,891 --> 00:38:31,184 We rolling. 840 00:38:31,184 --> 00:38:33,394 Not only we rolling, but we're--you know, 841 00:38:33,394 --> 00:38:37,065 we're getting ready to deliver the knockout punch. 842 00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:38,775 ANNOUNCER: Isiah Thomas. 843 00:38:40,568 --> 00:38:43,404 - You felt the Lakers really... 844 00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:45,114 teetering, right? 845 00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:49,327 The crowd was, you know... "Oh, shit. 846 00:38:49,327 --> 00:38:51,079 "This team is really good, and they getting 847 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,164 ready to close us out." 848 00:38:53,164 --> 00:38:57,377 And we were on the fast break, and we were doing our thing, 849 00:38:57,377 --> 00:39:00,421 and I stepped on Cooper's foot 850 00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:02,924 and sprained my ankle. 851 00:39:02,924 --> 00:39:05,218 ANNOUNCER: Isiah Thomas is hurt down on the... 852 00:39:05,218 --> 00:39:09,138 - I had--I had never felt pain like that. 853 00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:11,516 [dramatic music] 854 00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:13,643 So I went to the bench and told him 855 00:39:13,643 --> 00:39:16,855 I wanted to try it again and went back into the game, 856 00:39:16,855 --> 00:39:19,107 and I know Magic was on the other side, 857 00:39:19,107 --> 00:39:22,443 but magic happened for me during that stretch. 858 00:39:22,443 --> 00:39:25,113 JOHN: Isiah still hits 43 points, 859 00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:27,657 but Magic wasn't trying to let Isiah win. 860 00:39:27,657 --> 00:39:29,450 MAGIC: He was going off, 861 00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:33,079 and he had one of the best quarters 862 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:36,624 in NBA Finals history. 863 00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:39,335 But I had a job to do. I don't care who it is. 864 00:39:39,335 --> 00:39:43,256 If my mother out there, I-I'm going to win. 865 00:39:43,256 --> 00:39:46,676 [dramatic music] 866 00:39:46,676 --> 00:39:49,721 ANNOUNCER: Three seconds. They won't have time. 867 00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:52,348 ANNOUNCER: It's over. We go to game seven. 868 00:39:52,348 --> 00:39:56,269 - A lot of people talk about other games being big games. 869 00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:57,770 Uh, I played in it. 870 00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:02,901 I played in game seven in the Forum in 1988. 871 00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:04,819 There's no bigger than that. 872 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:06,988 - Tonight when we end, the seventh game 873 00:40:06,988 --> 00:40:08,406 comes to a conclusion. 874 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,366 Either the Pistons or the Lakers 875 00:40:10,366 --> 00:40:12,160 will receive the Larry O'Brien Trophy. 876 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,413 The big story that everybody wants to be updated on-- 877 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:17,457 Isiah Thomas. INTERVIEWER: Have you been 878 00:40:17,457 --> 00:40:19,834 able to put any weight on it since Sunday's game? 879 00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:21,419 ISIAH: Uh, I haven't tried. 880 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,421 Tonight would be the first time. 881 00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,798 I tried to give it everything I had, 882 00:40:25,798 --> 00:40:27,550 but I just wasn't effective. 883 00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:31,179 - It never crossed my mind that I felt sorry 884 00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:32,680 or anything like that. 885 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,933 It was, "Hey, I gotta win this game." 886 00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:36,601 ANNOUNCER: Lakers will get it. Worthy. 887 00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:39,312 Two Pistons are back. 888 00:40:39,312 --> 00:40:41,773 And the basket's gonna count. 889 00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:44,442 - James dominated in game seven, 890 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,277 and he was doing it from all over the court. 891 00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:47,779 ANNOUNCER: And the Lakers will run again. 892 00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:50,365 MAGIC: One of the greatest game seven performances. 893 00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:52,408 ANNOUNCER: Worthy. 894 00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:54,953 - Man, I love me some James Worthy. 895 00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:56,704 ANNOUNCER: It's 106 to 105. 896 00:40:56,704 --> 00:40:58,706 The Pistons are not gonna get a chance. 897 00:40:58,706 --> 00:41:00,333 The game ends. 898 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:02,502 The Lakers have won it again. 899 00:41:02,502 --> 00:41:05,505 [cheers and applause] 900 00:41:05,505 --> 00:41:08,758 - It felt really good to win back-to-back. 901 00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:12,512 The goal and the challenge, uh, we put on ourself. 902 00:41:12,512 --> 00:41:14,514 Can we do this again? 903 00:41:14,514 --> 00:41:16,224 - The angels are smiling on us. 904 00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:18,685 First time in a long time it's ever been done. 905 00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:20,436 Who knows? Maybe never again. 906 00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:22,063 A piece of history right here. 907 00:41:22,063 --> 00:41:24,732 - It's a great team to do it for the first time in 19 years. 908 00:41:24,732 --> 00:41:27,568 Just congratulations to the Lakers and the city. 909 00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:29,362 JEANIE: That was a tough year. 910 00:41:29,362 --> 00:41:32,699 We thought we might even lose the team. 911 00:41:32,699 --> 00:41:34,909 So to win was great for all of us. 912 00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:36,995 - Would you like to step up here and guarantee 913 00:41:36,995 --> 00:41:39,205 a third straight to start this off, Coach? 914 00:41:39,205 --> 00:41:43,459 [laughter] 915 00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:45,920 - Now, you guaranteed title number two 916 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,422 for the Lakers last year. 917 00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:49,132 Willing to do that number three? 918 00:41:49,132 --> 00:41:50,925 - I'm out of the prediction business. 919 00:41:50,925 --> 00:41:53,594 [triumphant music] 920 00:41:53,594 --> 00:41:56,305 PERSON: I call him Riles, but you probably call him Pat. 921 00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:58,474 So let's call in Pat Riley. 922 00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:01,477 [cheers and applause] 923 00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:08,818 [Pat speaking indistinctly] 924 00:42:08,818 --> 00:42:11,154 ALL: [chanting] Threepeat! Threepeat! 925 00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:15,199 Threepeat, threepeat, threepeat, threepeat, 926 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,578 threepeat, threepeat, threepeat, threepeat... 927 00:42:18,578 --> 00:42:20,121 - Thank you. We'll see you next year. 928 00:42:20,121 --> 00:42:21,914 - Let's do it again next year. 929 00:42:21,914 --> 00:42:23,791 - Three. Repeat. 930 00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:25,460 Three. Repeat. 931 00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:27,170 Three. Repeat. 932 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,130 We love you, LA. Thank you. 933 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:32,133 [cheers and applause] 934 00:42:32,133 --> 00:42:36,471 PERSON: It's party time with the Lakers! 935 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:41,476 BYRON: We always talk about win as many championships 936 00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:43,144 as we can while we can 937 00:42:43,144 --> 00:42:45,063 'cause this is not gonna last forever. 938 00:42:45,063 --> 00:42:46,105 You know, so I was looking 939 00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:47,106 forward to that next season 940 00:42:47,106 --> 00:42:48,232 trying to get threepeat. 941 00:42:53,863 --> 00:42:57,200 PLAYER: All right. PLAYER: Man, I'm bored. 942 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,993 BYRON: We kind of took threepeat 943 00:42:58,993 --> 00:43:00,995 as our signature for that year. 944 00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:02,371 You know, let's threepeat. 945 00:43:02,371 --> 00:43:03,664 MICHAEL: That was our mission. 946 00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:05,208 That was our mission. 947 00:43:05,208 --> 00:43:07,960 A.C.: The machine was fine-tuned, okay? 948 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,005 PAT: You know, you get to that point with success. 949 00:43:11,005 --> 00:43:13,049 Now, this is seven years into my tenure, 950 00:43:13,049 --> 00:43:15,843 and we had won five titles. 951 00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:19,263 But when you're a professional and you got a job to do, 952 00:43:19,263 --> 00:43:24,102 you know you should know almost innately through experience 953 00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:26,145 what you should and should not do, 954 00:43:26,145 --> 00:43:30,066 what you should allow in and not allow in. 955 00:43:30,066 --> 00:43:32,026 And Byron came and talked to me, 956 00:43:32,026 --> 00:43:34,028 and, uh, when a player comes to me, 957 00:43:34,028 --> 00:43:36,739 I don't know all the things that are really going on, 958 00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:40,201 you know, and, uh, all you can do is listen. 959 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:42,912 BYRON: I wasn't playing great. 960 00:43:42,912 --> 00:43:45,832 I was up and down more than I probably ever had been. 961 00:43:45,832 --> 00:43:47,792 I was going through some things, 962 00:43:47,792 --> 00:43:51,420 and I asked Pat Riley if I could talk to the team 963 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:53,172 before the game, and he said, "Yeah." 964 00:43:53,172 --> 00:43:55,466 [apprehensive music] 965 00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:57,385 I told everybody on the team. 966 00:43:57,385 --> 00:43:58,970 I said, "Obviously, it hurt my heart. 967 00:43:58,970 --> 00:44:00,972 "You know, we're bringing home a title 968 00:44:00,972 --> 00:44:03,808 "and, uh, all the stuff that's going on in my neighborhood. 969 00:44:03,808 --> 00:44:06,394 You know, drugs are at an all-time high." 970 00:44:06,394 --> 00:44:08,396 NEWSCASTER: Federal narcotics agents say cocaine 971 00:44:08,396 --> 00:44:11,023 has becomes a drug of choice for millions of Americans. 972 00:44:11,023 --> 00:44:12,483 NEWSCASTER: Drug Enforcement Agents say 973 00:44:12,483 --> 00:44:14,861 a cocaine user should be alarmed by the recent deaths 974 00:44:14,861 --> 00:44:18,406 of sports stars Len Bias and Don Rogers. 975 00:44:18,406 --> 00:44:21,325 - Gang violence is-is-- went rampant. 976 00:44:21,325 --> 00:44:23,035 NEWSCASTER: Police say that drugs and violence 977 00:44:23,035 --> 00:44:25,121 are being spread to other cities 978 00:44:25,121 --> 00:44:27,206 chiefly by two long-standing rivals 979 00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:29,083 in the Los Angeles youth gang scene. 980 00:44:29,083 --> 00:44:31,127 - You know, so for me, it was--it was--you know, 981 00:44:31,127 --> 00:44:33,504 it was really hard to deal with because of the fact 982 00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:35,423 that that's home, you know. 983 00:44:35,423 --> 00:44:37,341 And I'm very close to home, you know. 984 00:44:37,341 --> 00:44:40,511 And my mom and my family still lived in Inglewood. 985 00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:43,014 And I said, "You know, I know there's times, 986 00:44:43,014 --> 00:44:45,933 "you know, these past few weeks where I've been distant. 987 00:44:45,933 --> 00:44:48,060 I've snapped, you know, at guys." 988 00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:49,937 I said, "But my mom's in rehab." 989 00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:54,150 The person that I loved the most, 990 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:55,693 that meant the world to me, 991 00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,571 that meant the most to me was my mom. 992 00:44:58,571 --> 00:45:02,950 And when my mom started taking drugs, 993 00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:05,745 uh, that was the hardest thing I ever had to deal with. 994 00:45:05,745 --> 00:45:09,582 That--that tore me up, you know, 'cause that's my mom. 995 00:45:09,582 --> 00:45:13,461 ♪ ♪ 996 00:45:13,461 --> 00:45:18,758 - Byron opened up, and I think once he did, 997 00:45:18,758 --> 00:45:22,053 okay, it kind of set him free. 998 00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:26,265 And he had his whole Laker family behind him. 999 00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:29,602 BYRON: All of 'em just came up to me, you know, 1000 00:45:29,602 --> 00:45:31,145 as I'm literally here crying, 1001 00:45:31,145 --> 00:45:33,898 and they just all--you know, just all gave me a big hug. 1002 00:45:33,898 --> 00:45:36,984 And they just like, "B, we--we got you." 1003 00:45:36,984 --> 00:45:39,362 And that's probably what I needed more than anything. 1004 00:45:39,362 --> 00:45:41,697 - We had gotten to that point that we were really bonded 1005 00:45:41,697 --> 00:45:44,450 together and that I think anybody could stand up, and-- 1006 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:46,244 and if they had a real issue, 1007 00:45:46,244 --> 00:45:47,828 they would listen to that player. 1008 00:45:47,828 --> 00:45:49,497 BYRON: You know, we are a family. 1009 00:45:49,497 --> 00:45:53,501 I think it goes back to, you know, Dr. Buss. 1010 00:45:53,501 --> 00:45:55,002 I think he looked at you as somebody 1011 00:45:55,002 --> 00:45:56,379 that was a part of his family if you 1012 00:45:56,379 --> 00:45:57,755 wore that purple and gold. 1013 00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:00,049 You know, and he had my back by telling me, 1014 00:46:00,049 --> 00:46:01,926 "Listen, we got you. 1015 00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:03,511 Uh, anything you need, if you need time." 1016 00:46:03,511 --> 00:46:06,514 And I told him, I said, "The last thing I need is time. 1017 00:46:06,514 --> 00:46:08,808 [laughs] "Last thing I need is to be away from the team, 1018 00:46:08,808 --> 00:46:11,310 "you know, at my house, chilling, 1019 00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:13,187 "and then going to these meetings, 1020 00:46:13,187 --> 00:46:14,647 and then coming back home." 1021 00:46:14,647 --> 00:46:17,275 I said, "That's the last thing I need is idle time." 1022 00:46:17,275 --> 00:46:20,861 You know, I wanted to play, and, um, he allowed me to play. 1023 00:46:20,861 --> 00:46:26,826 ♪ ♪ 1024 00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:29,954 GARY: The true test of one's character 1025 00:46:29,954 --> 00:46:32,081 and the character of a team 1026 00:46:32,081 --> 00:46:35,626 is when things are going badly, 1027 00:46:35,626 --> 00:46:38,004 not when everything is going great. 1028 00:46:38,004 --> 00:46:41,173 You know, the family issues that Byron had with his mom 1029 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:43,050 and the rumors about Dr. Buss 1030 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:46,554 and the financial situation, all of those things 1031 00:46:46,554 --> 00:46:49,932 have a psychological load on the team, 1032 00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:53,477 and we were able to persevere and work through all that. 1033 00:46:53,477 --> 00:46:55,146 - Come on, Gar. I got $10 on there. 1034 00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:57,690 Bet it again. Bet it again. - Bet it. Bet 10. 1035 00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:59,275 PERSON: Welcome back, MVP. 1036 00:46:59,275 --> 00:47:01,068 PLAYER: You owe me 10 now. 1037 00:47:01,068 --> 00:47:04,572 MICHAEL: When things get tough and things get hard, 1038 00:47:04,572 --> 00:47:06,741 families, teams don't break apart. 1039 00:47:06,741 --> 00:47:08,284 They start coming together. 1040 00:47:08,284 --> 00:47:12,330 We stayed together. We stuck together. 1041 00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:14,540 PLAYER: How much, Cooper? 1042 00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:15,916 A.C.: Going into the season 1043 00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:18,002 and as we went throughout the season, 1044 00:47:18,002 --> 00:47:19,628 you felt confident. 1045 00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:23,132 And then playoffs came. 1046 00:47:23,132 --> 00:47:25,718 PAT: We swept, you know. [laughs] 1047 00:47:25,718 --> 00:47:27,511 We just went back-to-back, 1048 00:47:27,511 --> 00:47:30,056 and we swept the first three rounds. 1049 00:47:30,056 --> 00:47:31,724 We were 11 and 0. 1050 00:47:31,724 --> 00:47:33,434 A.C.: Hot knife going through better. 1051 00:47:33,434 --> 00:47:37,021 It couldn't have been dialed up any better. 1052 00:47:37,021 --> 00:47:39,273 Until... [laughs] 1053 00:47:39,273 --> 00:47:42,735 ♪ ♪ 1054 00:47:42,735 --> 00:47:45,071 PAT: We had nine days off. 1055 00:47:45,071 --> 00:47:47,073 A.C.: We're waiting on the finals. 1056 00:47:47,073 --> 00:47:50,326 BYRON: Pat Riley was not going to allow us to just roam 1057 00:47:50,326 --> 00:47:53,579 around Los Angeles, get outta shape. 1058 00:47:53,579 --> 00:47:55,831 So he took us to Santa Barbara. 1059 00:47:55,831 --> 00:47:58,751 PAT: You know, we're now going for three in a row, 1060 00:47:58,751 --> 00:48:00,795 and when you're a professional athlete 1061 00:48:00,795 --> 00:48:03,756 and you're highly conditioned, 1062 00:48:03,756 --> 00:48:07,134 their bodies are ready to play 40 minutes 1063 00:48:07,134 --> 00:48:09,220 every 48 hours. 1064 00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:11,097 They're trained. 1065 00:48:11,097 --> 00:48:14,517 You give a team a week off, they're not gonna-- 1066 00:48:14,517 --> 00:48:17,144 they're gonna lose their conditioning. 1067 00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:19,063 BYRON: Our practices were so competitive. 1068 00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:20,940 I've never seen it this bad. 1069 00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,442 And I don't know how much more my body can take. 1070 00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:25,111 It was like a dog fight every day. 1071 00:48:25,111 --> 00:48:27,822 This is pure torture. - My body is killing me. 1072 00:48:27,822 --> 00:48:30,157 A.C.: We practice harder than most people played in a game. 1073 00:48:30,157 --> 00:48:31,867 That's just how it was. 1074 00:48:31,867 --> 00:48:33,828 - Be quick now. Be quick. Come on, folks. Be quick. 1075 00:48:33,828 --> 00:48:35,121 Be quick now. 1076 00:48:35,121 --> 00:48:37,456 After we won back-to-back titles, 1077 00:48:37,456 --> 00:48:41,168 I simply became more and more intense. 1078 00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:43,337 I became more and more desperate 1079 00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:45,214 'cause I wanted this to continue 1080 00:48:45,214 --> 00:48:48,426 to continue to continue. 1081 00:48:48,426 --> 00:48:50,302 GARY: Pat really, you know, 1082 00:48:50,302 --> 00:48:53,097 he really pushed it to the point 1083 00:48:53,097 --> 00:48:59,103 where they coined a nickname for him, um, 1084 00:48:59,103 --> 00:49:02,064 where they started calling him Norman Bates. 1085 00:49:02,064 --> 00:49:03,941 [menacing music] - [screams] 1086 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,110 KAREEM: It was like the Bates Motel, you know, 1087 00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:08,362 You go into practice, we wouldn't come out. Ha ha ha. 1088 00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:09,738 PAT: That's just the way I was. 1089 00:49:09,738 --> 00:49:11,532 Practice, practice, practice, man. 1090 00:49:11,532 --> 00:49:14,243 Practice, practice, practice. 1091 00:49:16,078 --> 00:49:17,913 We arrive in Detroit. 1092 00:49:17,913 --> 00:49:20,708 Go over to the stadium to just get a little sweat. 1093 00:49:20,708 --> 00:49:23,669 [uneasy music] 1094 00:49:23,669 --> 00:49:27,673 ♪ ♪ 1095 00:49:27,673 --> 00:49:31,385 The very last minute of that practice in Detroit, 1096 00:49:31,385 --> 00:49:33,220 I'm looking at my blue card stock, 1097 00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,890 and I'm saying, "Well, I gotta cover one more thing." 1098 00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:37,099 They're a great rebounding team, 1099 00:49:37,099 --> 00:49:41,353 so let's just do a-- a dummy block-out drill. 1100 00:49:41,353 --> 00:49:43,481 - Ball goes up, David Rivers, 1101 00:49:43,481 --> 00:49:45,608 he's a rookie point guard who's guarding me. 1102 00:49:45,608 --> 00:49:47,151 I go up to get the rebound. 1103 00:49:47,151 --> 00:49:48,444 He kind of bends over, 1104 00:49:48,444 --> 00:49:52,531 I come over his back, and I hear pop in my leg. 1105 00:49:52,531 --> 00:49:56,202 And when I heard the pop and felt the pain, 1106 00:49:56,202 --> 00:49:57,953 I knew I was done. 1107 00:49:57,953 --> 00:50:00,706 - Don't remember hearing it pop 1108 00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:02,875 but I just remember, um, 1109 00:50:02,875 --> 00:50:04,960 realizing that he couldn't run. 1110 00:50:06,545 --> 00:50:09,840 You know, that was-- that was it. 1111 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,218 You know, that was like-- 1112 00:50:12,218 --> 00:50:14,595 BRENT MUSBURGER: Good evening, everybody, and welcome. 1113 00:50:14,595 --> 00:50:15,846 I'm Brent Musburger. 1114 00:50:15,846 --> 00:50:17,932 Unfortunately, the Lakers are gonna be 1115 00:50:17,932 --> 00:50:19,767 without one of their stars. 1116 00:50:19,767 --> 00:50:22,770 Byron Scott, during a drill yesterday, 1117 00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:25,606 a contact drill, popped a hamstring. 1118 00:50:25,606 --> 00:50:28,108 - In the first game, we get beat. 1119 00:50:28,108 --> 00:50:29,777 ANNOUNCER: But game one goes to Detroit. 1120 00:50:29,777 --> 00:50:33,113 The final score, Pistons 109 Lakers 97. 1121 00:50:33,113 --> 00:50:36,116 - And then in the second game in the third quarter, 1122 00:50:36,116 --> 00:50:39,828 uh, Magic's hamstring goes on him. 1123 00:50:39,828 --> 00:50:41,622 - Pick and roll, Mychal Thompson. 1124 00:50:41,622 --> 00:50:43,415 Blocked. Salley again. 1125 00:50:46,293 --> 00:50:48,921 Aguirre from Thomas. 1126 00:50:48,921 --> 00:50:50,881 And we have our first tie of the game, 1127 00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:54,718 and Magic Johnson may have pulled a hamstring. 1128 00:50:54,718 --> 00:50:56,303 - And there it is. 1129 00:50:56,303 --> 00:50:58,347 ANNOUNCER: The Detroit Pistons are within two games 1130 00:50:58,347 --> 00:51:00,766 of winning their first championship. 1131 00:51:00,766 --> 00:51:02,351 ISIAH: Injuries are part of the game, 1132 00:51:02,351 --> 00:51:06,730 but they had no feelings for me the year before. 1133 00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:08,983 So they were all meat, 1134 00:51:08,983 --> 00:51:11,193 and I was gonna eat 'em. 1135 00:51:12,695 --> 00:51:15,322 ANNOUNCER: Detroit has a commanding 3-0 lead 1136 00:51:15,322 --> 00:51:16,782 in the NBA finals. 1137 00:51:19,368 --> 00:51:21,620 World Champs. 1138 00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:25,457 ISIAH: We should have won in '88, but in '89, 1139 00:51:25,457 --> 00:51:27,585 they had zero shot of beating us. 1140 00:51:27,585 --> 00:51:29,587 Zero. 1141 00:51:29,587 --> 00:51:32,464 We beat the shit out of 'em. 1142 00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:34,758 - I know Isiah will probably say they still win, 1143 00:51:34,758 --> 00:51:36,385 but I-I beg to differ. 1144 00:51:36,385 --> 00:51:39,597 I think with our full roster, we win that series. 1145 00:51:39,597 --> 00:51:43,058 But Santa Barbara was probably just a tad too much, you know. 1146 00:51:43,058 --> 00:51:46,687 But at the time, we were all for it because we understood, 1147 00:51:46,687 --> 00:51:48,772 "Let's get away and refocus." 1148 00:51:48,772 --> 00:51:50,065 You know, hindsight is 20-20. 1149 00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:53,527 When you look back, yeah, it was too much. 1150 00:51:53,527 --> 00:51:55,696 - I'm gonna take a guess 1151 00:51:55,696 --> 00:51:57,281 that, in retrospect, 1152 00:51:57,281 --> 00:51:59,450 he probably looked at that and said, 1153 00:51:59,450 --> 00:52:02,995 "If I had to do it over again, I would not do that." 1154 00:52:02,995 --> 00:52:05,289 I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it. 1155 00:52:05,289 --> 00:52:10,169 And then again, Pat Riley, he might say, "Bullshit." 1156 00:52:10,169 --> 00:52:13,881 He might say, "I was doing my job." 1157 00:52:13,881 --> 00:52:15,799 So it'd be interesting to see. 1158 00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:17,343 - When I go back and think about it, 1159 00:52:17,343 --> 00:52:20,095 I can go right now back and look at my notes 1160 00:52:20,095 --> 00:52:22,056 and my practice plans. 1161 00:52:22,056 --> 00:52:24,892 And as bad as people say I pushed 'em, 1162 00:52:24,892 --> 00:52:26,810 I didn't push 'em that hard. 1163 00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:29,772 But that definitely was the beginning-- 1164 00:52:29,772 --> 00:52:33,067 was the beginning of the end for me, you know. 1165 00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:35,861 Yeah. Yeah. 1166 00:52:35,861 --> 00:52:38,864 [dramatic music] 1167 00:52:38,864 --> 00:52:45,871 ♪ ♪