1 00:00:02,043 --> 00:00:04,843 This programme contains strong language and reference to suicide. 2 00:00:04,883 --> 00:00:07,163 Take two. Anita, Ed? What? Banging off the leg. 3 00:00:07,203 --> 00:00:08,563 What...? 4 00:00:09,763 --> 00:00:11,843 In your own time. Shot one, take two. 5 00:00:13,043 --> 00:00:14,243 Today, it's a very... 6 00:00:14,283 --> 00:00:16,963 No, do that again. LAUGHING: Pfft! I was laughing! 7 00:00:18,643 --> 00:00:21,283 Paula Yates was probably, next to Princess Diana, 8 00:00:21,323 --> 00:00:23,963 the most famous female in England. 9 00:00:24,003 --> 00:00:26,563 When she walked in a room she was like a firecracker. 10 00:00:26,603 --> 00:00:28,803 Woo-woo-woo-woo! Take that! 11 00:00:28,843 --> 00:00:31,643 And she was great and irreverent. 12 00:00:31,683 --> 00:00:34,603 Have you reached your peak now or are you getting bigger? 13 00:00:34,643 --> 00:00:36,723 LAUGHTER 14 00:00:37,803 --> 00:00:43,443 Trailblazer and the absolute epitome of charismatic. 15 00:00:43,483 --> 00:00:45,603 I'm in Grand Master Flash's dressing room 16 00:00:45,643 --> 00:00:47,283 which is why I'm talking a bit funny 17 00:00:47,323 --> 00:00:49,643 because it's making me, actually, quite nervous, ooh! 18 00:00:49,683 --> 00:00:52,483 Surely feminism was... The point is that you get a choice, 19 00:00:52,523 --> 00:00:56,483 you don't have to have it all and do it all. You can choose. 20 00:00:56,523 --> 00:00:59,563 She was a kind of chameleon and a sort of maverick 21 00:00:59,603 --> 00:01:02,123 and a kind of self-invented person. 22 00:01:02,163 --> 00:01:04,163 REPORTER: Paula Yates is probably better known 23 00:01:04,203 --> 00:01:07,083 for her private life than for her TV career. 24 00:01:07,123 --> 00:01:10,803 Every twist and turn of her problems was front page news. 25 00:01:13,843 --> 00:01:16,603 I think there was a sense that she was the original wild child, 26 00:01:16,643 --> 00:01:18,123 she linked up with a rock star, 27 00:01:18,163 --> 00:01:19,683 linked up with another rock star, 28 00:01:19,723 --> 00:01:23,243 that rock star has this tragic death, and this... 29 00:01:23,283 --> 00:01:26,643 ..the person at the centre of it had it coming to her 30 00:01:26,683 --> 00:01:28,083 and was the cause of it all. 31 00:01:28,123 --> 00:01:30,683 NEWSREADER: The rock star Michael Hutchence was found hanging 32 00:01:30,723 --> 00:01:32,363 from a door in a Sydney hotel room. 33 00:01:32,403 --> 00:01:35,083 When I spoke to her, the opposite was true. 34 00:01:49,963 --> 00:01:52,243 I remember walking in to the room 35 00:01:52,283 --> 00:01:54,483 and the room was just completely still 36 00:01:54,523 --> 00:01:56,323 and Paula was sitting at this table. 37 00:02:03,843 --> 00:02:05,723 You always seem to be under siege... 38 00:02:11,083 --> 00:02:13,083 MULTIPLE CAMERAS CLICKING 39 00:02:33,483 --> 00:02:36,923 Presented for the first time by a page-three girl today, meow. 40 00:03:01,323 --> 00:03:04,123 INTERVIEWER: What's going through your head thinking about her now? 41 00:03:04,163 --> 00:03:06,043 Does it feel like a long time ago or...? 42 00:03:06,083 --> 00:03:08,123 It's strangely emotional. 43 00:03:08,163 --> 00:03:10,043 As soon as I sit down in this chair 44 00:03:10,083 --> 00:03:11,123 I just wanted to cry, 45 00:03:11,163 --> 00:03:13,643 it's the weirdest feeling, 46 00:03:13,683 --> 00:03:14,963 just feel quite... 47 00:03:15,003 --> 00:03:17,603 Very emotional, yeah. 48 00:03:17,643 --> 00:03:21,443 Er, I wrote a song about her. Um... 49 00:03:21,483 --> 00:03:25,563 And I've never said it's about her at all to anybody. 50 00:03:25,603 --> 00:03:27,523 It's a song called Cursed, 51 00:03:27,563 --> 00:03:29,083 and there's a lyric in it that goes, 52 00:03:29,123 --> 00:03:32,403 "Told everybody I'd slept with you, thought you'd like it, 53 00:03:32,443 --> 00:03:33,883 "knew you wouldn't deny it." 54 00:03:33,923 --> 00:03:38,363 It's not true, so if anybody goes and checks that song out. 55 00:03:38,403 --> 00:03:40,683 But it's true that she wouldn't have denied it. 56 00:03:40,723 --> 00:03:42,963 She wouldn't have denied it no, no. 57 00:03:43,003 --> 00:03:45,243 HE LAUGHS 58 00:03:45,283 --> 00:03:47,443 That's enough about that, Bob's watching, erm... 59 00:03:47,483 --> 00:03:49,803 What was the nature of your relationship? 60 00:03:49,843 --> 00:03:51,763 The nature of our relationship, 61 00:03:51,803 --> 00:03:54,443 what was the nature of our relationship? 62 00:03:54,483 --> 00:03:56,643 I suppose... 63 00:03:56,683 --> 00:03:59,603 ..she would be a... 64 00:03:59,643 --> 00:04:01,123 ..confidante. 65 00:04:01,163 --> 00:04:03,203 In order to be a good lover... Mm. 66 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:06,523 ..do you think there's any particular things that people should do? 67 00:04:07,843 --> 00:04:09,523 Well, use lubrication. 68 00:04:09,563 --> 00:04:11,843 Use lub... LAUGHTER 69 00:04:11,883 --> 00:04:13,523 A... 70 00:04:13,563 --> 00:04:14,803 ..older sister. 71 00:04:14,843 --> 00:04:16,603 Do you find girls a great inspiration? 72 00:04:16,643 --> 00:04:19,163 I mean, are lots of your songs written about girls? 73 00:04:19,203 --> 00:04:20,643 Of course. 74 00:04:20,683 --> 00:04:23,403 She was incredibly smart, 75 00:04:23,443 --> 00:04:25,883 incredibly engaging. 76 00:04:25,923 --> 00:04:27,603 I've gone all red. 77 00:04:27,643 --> 00:04:29,323 You're in enough trouble as it is. 78 00:04:29,363 --> 00:04:31,563 Why? Do you think I'm gonna...? LAUGHTER 79 00:04:31,603 --> 00:04:34,243 And somebody that was just fascinating to be around. 80 00:04:35,683 --> 00:04:37,843 Don't keep pulling me! I'm not, you know... 81 00:04:37,883 --> 00:04:40,283 I'm not like, you know, an object. I'm sorry. 82 00:04:40,323 --> 00:04:42,163 You know, I'm a person! 83 00:04:42,203 --> 00:04:45,083 TERRY WOGAN: According to a recent survey in Teenage magazine, 84 00:04:45,123 --> 00:04:48,163 more girls would like to look like my final guest tonight 85 00:04:48,203 --> 00:04:49,963 than the Princess of Wales. 86 00:04:50,003 --> 00:04:51,923 Her face appeared on more front covers 87 00:04:51,963 --> 00:04:54,763 than any other models last year, she's a journalist, author, 88 00:04:54,803 --> 00:04:57,483 businesswoman and she's still in her 20s. 89 00:04:57,523 --> 00:04:59,563 Ladies and gentlemen, Paula Yates. 90 00:04:59,603 --> 00:05:01,963 CHEERS AND APPLAUSE 91 00:05:03,243 --> 00:05:05,003 I'm dreadfully conventional. 92 00:05:05,043 --> 00:05:07,643 I mean, I read romantic novels 93 00:05:07,683 --> 00:05:10,483 which I buy and I hide under a pile of serious novels 94 00:05:10,523 --> 00:05:12,563 cos I'm embarrassed to buy them. 95 00:05:12,603 --> 00:05:15,563 I collect pictures of Prince Andrew and his chopper. 96 00:05:15,603 --> 00:05:18,883 LAUGHTER 97 00:05:21,563 --> 00:05:24,963 And I'm frightfully keen on Doris Day films. 98 00:05:25,003 --> 00:05:28,283 Well, the ones with Rock Hudson, cos then I pretend it's you and me. 99 00:05:28,323 --> 00:05:30,883 LAUGHTER 100 00:05:34,203 --> 00:05:36,763 When I first met Paula, which is like the late '70s, 101 00:05:36,803 --> 00:05:40,883 I was a music journalist doing reviews for Record Mirror, 102 00:05:40,923 --> 00:05:43,763 and Paula Yates was a... 103 00:05:43,803 --> 00:05:46,483 ..was a columnist, so the first time I went in there, 104 00:05:46,523 --> 00:05:48,963 she was sitting in the corner, banging away, 105 00:05:49,003 --> 00:05:50,643 trying to get this column done, 106 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,203 but I subsequently found out that she was always slightly late 107 00:05:53,243 --> 00:05:55,323 with her copy, so I guess she was sort of behind on 108 00:05:55,363 --> 00:05:56,683 a deadline or something. 109 00:05:56,723 --> 00:05:58,563 Was she quite intimidating? 110 00:05:58,603 --> 00:06:03,003 She was quite unapproachable, fiercely intelligent. 111 00:06:04,163 --> 00:06:06,323 She was someone who really knew what she wanted 112 00:06:06,363 --> 00:06:08,923 and she knew how to get what she wanted as well, 113 00:06:08,963 --> 00:06:11,843 so there was a certain kind of authority about her that, I think, 114 00:06:11,883 --> 00:06:16,403 was attractive, certainly I noticed her the moment I walked in. 115 00:06:16,443 --> 00:06:18,803 I mean, she was quite a, kind of, exotic figure 116 00:06:18,843 --> 00:06:21,723 with the peroxide hair, and she knew everybody. 117 00:06:21,763 --> 00:06:24,923 I mean, really, really well connected which, you know, for us, 118 00:06:24,963 --> 00:06:27,563 I was sort of 18, 19, you know, 119 00:06:27,603 --> 00:06:29,523 we were sort of in awe of that. 120 00:06:31,723 --> 00:06:35,123 CHANNEL 4 FANFARE 121 00:06:38,403 --> 00:06:39,603 ANNOUNCER: Good afternoon. 122 00:06:39,643 --> 00:06:42,443 It's a pleasure to be able to say to you, 123 00:06:42,483 --> 00:06:44,643 welcome to Channel 4. 124 00:06:44,683 --> 00:06:47,483 Britain's first new network for 18 years went on 125 00:06:47,523 --> 00:06:50,243 the air as scheduled at a quarter to five. 126 00:06:51,603 --> 00:06:53,963 One day on Channel 4, 127 00:06:54,003 --> 00:06:58,603 a pop show broadcasting from Newcastle arrives. 128 00:06:58,643 --> 00:07:00,843 You know, bands are coming on and they're playing live 129 00:07:00,883 --> 00:07:02,363 and it's bumpy and it's weird 130 00:07:02,403 --> 00:07:08,483 and then Paula Yates appears and she looks incredible. 131 00:07:09,523 --> 00:07:10,963 Well, here it is, 132 00:07:11,003 --> 00:07:13,163 the studio where it's all going to be happening. 133 00:07:13,203 --> 00:07:15,443 For the next five months you're going to be able 134 00:07:15,483 --> 00:07:18,603 to see live music, interviews... 135 00:07:18,643 --> 00:07:23,883 It was a pivotal part of my life. 136 00:07:23,923 --> 00:07:28,243 I must have been seven or eight years old. 137 00:07:28,283 --> 00:07:29,843 You know, you looked on television, 138 00:07:29,883 --> 00:07:31,883 I didn't want to be a Blue Peter presenter. 139 00:07:31,923 --> 00:07:33,963 They're such lovely colours you see, aren't they? 140 00:07:34,003 --> 00:07:35,723 Green, just like a bishops mitre. Mm. 141 00:07:35,763 --> 00:07:38,683 I didn't want to be Anne Diamond, 142 00:07:38,723 --> 00:07:42,363 I didn't want to be the girls on Miss World. 143 00:07:42,403 --> 00:07:47,403 For me, Paula Yates was an icon, 144 00:07:47,443 --> 00:07:52,603 she was everything, all plates spinning at once, 145 00:07:52,643 --> 00:07:56,083 everything a modern woman could be. 146 00:07:56,123 --> 00:07:58,283 Now, you can tell that this is live television 147 00:07:58,323 --> 00:07:59,963 because I am sitting on my foot 148 00:08:00,003 --> 00:08:03,363 because I wasn't allowed to go to the loo before the show started. 149 00:08:03,403 --> 00:08:05,803 However, there are so many girls on tonight's show 150 00:08:05,843 --> 00:08:07,843 that even the crew came out of the pub early 151 00:08:07,883 --> 00:08:11,323 and the whole place has the overpoweringly erotic smell of Brut. 152 00:08:11,363 --> 00:08:14,483 She flirts and she's sexy and, er... 153 00:08:14,523 --> 00:08:16,163 It wasn't just, kind of, harmless, 154 00:08:16,203 --> 00:08:18,043 coy, kind of, Princess Diana flirting, 155 00:08:18,083 --> 00:08:22,803 this was proper, sexual, Marilyn Monroe, 156 00:08:22,843 --> 00:08:26,883 but mixed with, kind of, an NME cool slant. 157 00:08:26,923 --> 00:08:29,683 Now, tell me, Sting, what we really want to know is, 158 00:08:29,723 --> 00:08:33,123 how come you get your gear off so often? 159 00:08:33,163 --> 00:08:35,363 Virtually every picture you've got your shirt off. 160 00:08:35,403 --> 00:08:39,043 So, come on, how come? Well, I don't know, it's... 161 00:08:39,083 --> 00:08:41,843 That was part of the magic of her, 162 00:08:41,883 --> 00:08:45,603 that every time she appeared on television 163 00:08:45,643 --> 00:08:48,963 interviewing some gorgeous, sexy man, 164 00:08:49,003 --> 00:08:53,363 you could almost feel her playing footsie under the ta... 165 00:08:53,403 --> 00:08:55,483 SHE LAUGHS Under the table! 166 00:08:55,523 --> 00:08:57,283 Our next group I'm not allowed to introduce 167 00:08:57,323 --> 00:09:00,003 because you might have thought that the lead singer had given me one. 168 00:09:00,043 --> 00:09:01,563 Whereas, in fact, the lead singer, 169 00:09:01,603 --> 00:09:03,763 the lead singer, in fact, did give me one... 170 00:09:03,803 --> 00:09:06,203 ..of these records which are their brand-new record. 171 00:09:06,243 --> 00:09:08,563 ROCK MUSIC PLAYS 172 00:09:12,883 --> 00:09:14,923 The Boomtown Rats had come along 173 00:09:14,963 --> 00:09:17,963 and they had this singer with real attitude, which was Geldof, 174 00:09:18,003 --> 00:09:22,803 this kind of real, you know, kind of, Jack-the-lad, 175 00:09:22,843 --> 00:09:24,523 kind of like an Irish Jagger, 176 00:09:24,563 --> 00:09:27,043 but a bit cooler than Mike Jagger was back then. 177 00:09:27,083 --> 00:09:30,883 And so when Paula came along and hooked up with him, 178 00:09:30,923 --> 00:09:33,803 Bob Geldof was a big thing and Paula Yates, being his girlfriend, 179 00:09:33,843 --> 00:09:35,203 she was a big thing as well. 180 00:09:35,243 --> 00:09:38,283 MUSIC: I Don't Like Mondays by The Boomtown Rats 181 00:09:42,323 --> 00:09:45,603 I'm supposed to be a pin-up star, erm, 182 00:09:45,643 --> 00:09:47,643 who has a pretty girlfriend. 183 00:09:47,683 --> 00:09:50,003 For the daily pop papers, 184 00:09:50,043 --> 00:09:52,363 I'm supposed to be Bob Geldof, rock star, 185 00:09:52,403 --> 00:09:55,083 and supposed to be like Rod and Britt or Mick and Bianca, 186 00:09:55,123 --> 00:09:56,883 and it's not even Mick and Marianne. 187 00:09:56,923 --> 00:09:58,043 # Tell me why 188 00:09:58,083 --> 00:10:00,483 # I don't like Mondays... # 189 00:10:00,523 --> 00:10:04,923 Let's meet the lady in your life, TV pop presenter, Paula Yates. 190 00:10:04,963 --> 00:10:07,243 # I don't like Mondays 191 00:10:07,283 --> 00:10:11,203 # I want to sho-oo-oo-oot... # 192 00:10:13,763 --> 00:10:16,643 APPLAUSE 193 00:10:18,723 --> 00:10:21,883 Paula, did romance blossom right away? 194 00:10:21,923 --> 00:10:24,003 Well, it did for me, but it didn't really for him. 195 00:10:24,043 --> 00:10:25,443 The first time I saw him, 196 00:10:25,483 --> 00:10:28,523 he had these incredibly tight, red trousers sort of sprayed on 197 00:10:28,563 --> 00:10:31,203 and a black jumper and a plastic fried egg, 198 00:10:31,243 --> 00:10:34,243 and the Lord's Prayer tied to his jumper with a bit of string, 199 00:10:34,283 --> 00:10:36,883 and I thought, "Gosh, there's a hunk." 200 00:10:36,923 --> 00:10:39,643 LAUGHTER Well, Bob Geldof, hunk... 201 00:10:44,163 --> 00:10:47,563 Paula Yates was probably my best friend. 202 00:10:47,603 --> 00:10:50,523 We must have met in the '80s at some time 203 00:10:50,563 --> 00:10:53,443 and we lived very near each other, 204 00:10:53,483 --> 00:10:55,563 like literally, in the next street. 205 00:10:55,603 --> 00:10:59,563 She was pregnant and I was pregnant at the same time, 206 00:10:59,603 --> 00:11:02,523 and that kind of was more of a bond. 207 00:11:02,563 --> 00:11:05,363 And then when the kids were little, 208 00:11:05,403 --> 00:11:10,723 when we used to take them to the One O'Clock Club at Battersea, 209 00:11:10,763 --> 00:11:14,283 and hang out and that's kind of how we became friends. 210 00:11:14,323 --> 00:11:17,363 Because, of course, they made it for me just after I'd had my baby 211 00:11:17,403 --> 00:11:19,843 and, of course, the minute I'd had her I wanted everything 212 00:11:19,883 --> 00:11:22,363 to be skin tight and have to be wedged into it with a shoe horn. 213 00:11:22,403 --> 00:11:26,363 She was kind of like a cross between Marilyn Monroe 214 00:11:26,403 --> 00:11:28,083 and Mary Poppins, you know? 215 00:11:28,123 --> 00:11:30,523 That's how I think of her, really. 216 00:11:32,163 --> 00:11:34,483 She was an incredibly good mother, 217 00:11:34,523 --> 00:11:36,043 incredibly kind, 218 00:11:36,083 --> 00:11:40,003 very loyal to her friends, extraordinarily well-read. 219 00:11:40,043 --> 00:11:43,523 I mean, extraordinary, you know, you could ask her, 220 00:11:43,563 --> 00:11:47,123 whatever the conversation was, Paula not just had an opinion, 221 00:11:47,163 --> 00:11:50,763 but definitely had knowledge on whatever you were talking about. 222 00:11:50,803 --> 00:11:55,923 Um, but she kind of came across as this ditzy blonde, 223 00:11:55,963 --> 00:11:58,163 but she definitely wasn't. 224 00:12:00,123 --> 00:12:02,683 She needed somebody who had her back 225 00:12:02,723 --> 00:12:05,843 and who understood her and was a friend. 226 00:12:05,883 --> 00:12:08,283 So, yeah, we had a lot of fun, 227 00:12:08,323 --> 00:12:12,203 just kind of do normal things you do with your friends. 228 00:12:12,243 --> 00:12:14,603 And then things changed, yeah. 229 00:12:31,003 --> 00:12:33,563 Detectives say they're baffled about the circumstances 230 00:12:33,603 --> 00:12:35,843 of the death of rock star Michael Hutchence. 231 00:12:35,883 --> 00:12:38,683 His partner, the TV presenter Paula Yates, is in London 232 00:12:38,723 --> 00:12:41,363 and is expected to fly out to Australia this evening. 233 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,683 I was the editor of OK! Magazine, 234 00:12:45,723 --> 00:12:48,563 which is this national celebrity magazine. 235 00:12:48,603 --> 00:12:51,603 When Michael Hutchence died, 236 00:12:51,643 --> 00:12:53,403 I saw a front page of The Sun 237 00:12:53,443 --> 00:12:57,883 and it was all about Paula's grief and this, that and the other 238 00:12:57,923 --> 00:13:00,483 and, suddenly, a light bulb lit up in my head 239 00:13:00,523 --> 00:13:04,403 and I thought, "First interview with her would be really good." 240 00:13:04,443 --> 00:13:07,043 I found out that Paula had this sort of right-hand woman 241 00:13:07,083 --> 00:13:10,283 called Belinda Brewin, called her and said, 242 00:13:10,323 --> 00:13:12,323 "Look, I would be really interested in doing 243 00:13:12,363 --> 00:13:14,563 "the first interview with Paula." 244 00:13:14,603 --> 00:13:18,203 I hadn't seen her face-to-face for 20 years, 245 00:13:18,243 --> 00:13:22,203 and here she was not looking terribly different as a person 246 00:13:22,243 --> 00:13:27,963 but her body language and her kind of general demeanour was just... 247 00:13:28,003 --> 00:13:29,363 ..broken, really. 248 00:13:41,323 --> 00:13:44,923 PAULA: 249 00:14:19,843 --> 00:14:22,403 Michael was her love. 250 00:14:22,443 --> 00:14:25,283 Well, she never got over it - I don't think people do, 251 00:14:25,323 --> 00:14:28,403 they just learn to live with it. 252 00:14:29,923 --> 00:14:32,083 Paula didn't really learn to live with it, 253 00:14:32,123 --> 00:14:34,243 that was the problem. 254 00:14:34,283 --> 00:14:40,763 It was a big, black cloud every single day and to, to... 255 00:14:40,803 --> 00:14:43,323 ..to get away from that was very hard. 256 00:14:45,243 --> 00:14:46,803 TOWNSEND: Well, what do you think? 257 00:14:46,843 --> 00:14:48,763 I mean, people keep saying to me, you know... 258 00:14:48,803 --> 00:14:52,723 PAULA: 259 00:15:21,243 --> 00:15:27,603 PAULA: 260 00:15:36,323 --> 00:15:38,403 THEY LAUGH 261 00:15:44,243 --> 00:15:46,083 Shot three, take one. 262 00:15:46,123 --> 00:15:48,163 What's wrong? No, no, nothing's wrong at all, 263 00:15:48,203 --> 00:15:51,123 there's just a bit of stuff that won't be in shot that's over there. 264 00:15:51,163 --> 00:15:53,523 Oh. In your own time, my love. 265 00:15:53,563 --> 00:15:55,843 # It's Christmas-time... # 266 00:15:55,883 --> 00:15:58,163 NEWSREADER: It all started just eight months ago 267 00:15:58,203 --> 00:16:01,083 when a contingent of 40 British rock stars got together 268 00:16:01,123 --> 00:16:04,403 at a studio in London to record Do They Know It's Christmas? 269 00:16:04,443 --> 00:16:08,123 The sole purpose being to raise money for the starving Ethiopians. 270 00:16:08,163 --> 00:16:10,923 When Bob Geldof thought of the idea for the Band Aid single, 271 00:16:10,963 --> 00:16:14,003 he rather expected it would make about 70... 272 00:16:14,043 --> 00:16:16,163 It's all right, just carry on. What is wrong with me?! 273 00:16:16,203 --> 00:16:19,443 Just start again, you're fine. Well, it's cos I'm seeing people! 274 00:16:20,963 --> 00:16:23,683 LAUGHTER OK, camera. 275 00:16:25,203 --> 00:16:27,803 Start again, please. Do you think I...? 276 00:16:27,843 --> 00:16:30,723 I suddenly... That's why I had my pause cos I was a bit worried, 277 00:16:30,763 --> 00:16:32,843 do you think they all know I live with him? 278 00:16:32,883 --> 00:16:34,883 Yeah, of course they know you live with him. 279 00:16:34,923 --> 00:16:36,763 I don't really want to act like I'm being... 280 00:16:36,803 --> 00:16:38,643 No, no, of course, you're not. 281 00:16:38,683 --> 00:16:39,803 OK. 282 00:16:39,843 --> 00:16:43,523 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to London, to Wembley and Live Aid, 283 00:16:43,563 --> 00:16:45,963 will you meet and greet, David Bowie? 284 00:16:46,003 --> 00:16:49,283 MUSIC: Let's Dance 285 00:16:49,323 --> 00:16:51,803 I can still remember 286 00:16:51,843 --> 00:16:57,843 the whole day of watching Live Aid as if it was yesterday. 287 00:16:57,883 --> 00:17:02,763 All the big pop names of the time in Wembley Stadium, 288 00:17:02,803 --> 00:17:06,923 Live Aid was one of the most important 289 00:17:06,963 --> 00:17:11,523 and far-reaching charity ventures that the world has ever seen. 290 00:17:11,563 --> 00:17:15,723 NEWSREADER: By noon, 72,000 rock fans were packed into Wembley Stadium 291 00:17:15,763 --> 00:17:18,403 as Live Aid began in brilliant sunshine. 292 00:17:18,443 --> 00:17:22,323 The Princess, a keen pop fan, apparently needed little persuading 293 00:17:22,363 --> 00:17:24,763 to join the huge audience. 294 00:17:24,803 --> 00:17:27,523 They were this iconic couple, 295 00:17:27,563 --> 00:17:30,883 they were both ground-breaking in their own rights. 296 00:17:30,923 --> 00:17:33,523 I mean, I remember we were on the Fulham Road 297 00:17:33,563 --> 00:17:35,723 and we went into - there's a jewellery shop there - 298 00:17:35,763 --> 00:17:39,483 and we went in and Princess Diana was in there, 299 00:17:39,523 --> 00:17:42,843 and Princess Diana said to Paula, 300 00:17:42,883 --> 00:17:45,523 "I love it when you're on the front page of the papers 301 00:17:45,563 --> 00:17:47,723 "because it means I've got the day off." 302 00:17:48,843 --> 00:17:51,243 NEWSREADER: Bob Geldof, the rock star and inspiration 303 00:17:51,283 --> 00:17:53,483 behind Band Aid, Live Aid and Sport Aid, 304 00:17:53,523 --> 00:17:56,203 received a personal reward for his work this morning 305 00:17:56,243 --> 00:17:59,243 when the Queen presented him with an honorary knighthood. 306 00:18:02,843 --> 00:18:06,043 Basically, these diaries came along in The Sun, The Standard, 307 00:18:06,083 --> 00:18:09,843 The Mirror, which were daily showbiz diaries, 308 00:18:09,883 --> 00:18:13,243 and it was the first, if you like, daily monitoring 309 00:18:13,283 --> 00:18:16,843 of national, British showbiz. 310 00:18:16,883 --> 00:18:19,963 And we were, basically, just filling the news, 311 00:18:20,003 --> 00:18:21,883 trying to fill the newspapers every day 312 00:18:21,923 --> 00:18:24,283 with showbiz gossip and pop gossip. 313 00:18:24,323 --> 00:18:26,643 And that was the massive change 314 00:18:26,683 --> 00:18:30,203 that Paula and Bob were in the middle of. 315 00:18:30,243 --> 00:18:33,803 The Geldofs, cos they would be people that journalists like myself 316 00:18:33,843 --> 00:18:35,563 would be keeping an eye on, 317 00:18:35,603 --> 00:18:38,283 if they had a row or there was, you know, a bust up, 318 00:18:38,323 --> 00:18:39,563 they'd be photographed, 319 00:18:39,603 --> 00:18:41,643 there'd be people trying to get words with them, 320 00:18:41,683 --> 00:18:44,323 it was a lot of chasing around. HE CHUCKLES 321 00:18:44,363 --> 00:18:46,043 Getting into cabs and, you know, 322 00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:48,483 getting pictures quickly developed for the next morning, 323 00:18:48,523 --> 00:18:49,603 and all that stuff. 324 00:18:49,643 --> 00:18:51,803 It was a great time to be a journalist, actually. 325 00:18:51,843 --> 00:18:53,403 Blonde and blondes, 326 00:18:53,443 --> 00:18:55,723 and you've wanted to be a blonde since how old? 327 00:18:55,763 --> 00:18:56,963 Since I was six, 328 00:18:57,003 --> 00:18:59,883 but my mother, sensibly enough, wouldn't let me. 329 00:18:59,923 --> 00:19:01,883 Sorry, I was just... Have a quick... 330 00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:05,003 And what she did instead is she had this blonde wig. 331 00:19:05,043 --> 00:19:06,763 And I used to wear it all the time, 332 00:19:06,803 --> 00:19:09,883 finally a halt was put to the wig borrowing 333 00:19:09,923 --> 00:19:12,723 because I arrived at one of her dinner parties wearing the wig, 334 00:19:12,763 --> 00:19:14,923 came down the stairs, Winceyette pyjamas, wig, 335 00:19:14,963 --> 00:19:16,723 and her diaphragm on the top of my head. 336 00:19:16,763 --> 00:19:19,043 LAUGHTER So that was that, the wig was snatched away. 337 00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:21,483 That was the end of that episode. That was the end of that. 338 00:19:21,523 --> 00:19:23,603 So, when did you actually become blonde yourself? 339 00:19:23,643 --> 00:19:25,363 I became blonde when I was 12. 340 00:19:25,403 --> 00:19:28,483 Real blonde, the blonde that we...? Like this, yeah. 341 00:19:28,523 --> 00:19:33,483 She came in very much in her style that was, you know, 342 00:19:33,523 --> 00:19:38,563 '50s dress and peroxide hair and she was great and irreverent, 343 00:19:38,603 --> 00:19:41,923 and I can remember all those days of, like, you know, 344 00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:43,603 David Bowie coming in 345 00:19:43,643 --> 00:19:46,603 and Paula Yates trying to pay with a plastic bag full of change 346 00:19:46,643 --> 00:19:48,403 and things like that. 347 00:19:48,443 --> 00:19:52,043 I saw her a lot, three times a week, four times a week, 348 00:19:52,083 --> 00:19:54,803 it was every shoot that she did and she did a lot. 349 00:19:54,843 --> 00:19:56,203 Nobody else did her hair. 350 00:19:56,243 --> 00:19:57,923 INTERVIEWER: Really, the whole way through? 351 00:19:57,963 --> 00:20:00,363 No, not at all, not at all and I can't say that for everybody, 352 00:20:00,403 --> 00:20:03,283 I mean... Did you become friends? 353 00:20:03,323 --> 00:20:07,203 Yeah, we did. I think, you know, you can't work for that long, 354 00:20:07,243 --> 00:20:10,363 know that much and not become a friend. 355 00:20:10,403 --> 00:20:12,843 Yeah, she'd be quite frivolous, I mean... 356 00:20:12,883 --> 00:20:15,163 I mean, I can remember I got a call from Bob 357 00:20:15,203 --> 00:20:18,683 at like seven in the morning, it was more or less on the lines of, 358 00:20:18,723 --> 00:20:20,603 "For fuck's sake, can you get here 359 00:20:20,643 --> 00:20:23,483 "because she's not having this baby until she's had her hair done?" 360 00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:25,923 But that was her way of doing it and, of course, she did, 361 00:20:25,963 --> 00:20:28,603 when she came out and presented herself to the world, 362 00:20:28,643 --> 00:20:31,803 she, on, you know, each of the occasions of a birth, 363 00:20:31,843 --> 00:20:34,323 it was in full Paula regalia, you know, 364 00:20:34,363 --> 00:20:37,923 hair done and I'm ready for the cameras. So, that was her. 365 00:20:37,963 --> 00:20:39,683 I suppose she just knew her market. 366 00:20:41,363 --> 00:20:43,523 Today is the day, of course, my perfume comes out. Yes. 367 00:20:43,563 --> 00:20:45,203 Would you like sniff me? 368 00:20:48,683 --> 00:20:51,163 It's, um... Are you uncontrollable? 369 00:20:51,203 --> 00:20:54,923 LAUGHTER 370 00:20:54,963 --> 00:20:56,483 Terry, be honest. It's strong, 371 00:20:56,523 --> 00:20:58,403 I'll say that. It is potent, isn't it? 372 00:20:58,443 --> 00:21:01,203 It is potent, it's a good word, yes, powerful. 373 00:21:01,243 --> 00:21:02,483 I'm utterly thrilled with it 374 00:21:02,523 --> 00:21:05,483 because of the effect it has on men. Yeah. 375 00:21:05,523 --> 00:21:07,403 LAUGHTER 376 00:21:07,443 --> 00:21:14,083 Paula is doing what is now, through today's eyes, incredibly natural, 377 00:21:14,123 --> 00:21:17,163 you have a perfume and you have a lingerie brand, 378 00:21:17,203 --> 00:21:18,883 they're just spin-off things, you know, 379 00:21:18,923 --> 00:21:21,803 you make money, you bank, you bank money. 380 00:21:21,843 --> 00:21:23,923 That's coming out and then followed by my underwear. 381 00:21:23,963 --> 00:21:26,323 Followed by the underwear? I know. 382 00:21:26,363 --> 00:21:29,443 So, Paula Yates smells in her underwear. 383 00:21:30,563 --> 00:21:34,603 BELINDA: You know, before Kim Kardashian there was Paula. 384 00:21:34,643 --> 00:21:36,963 CHEERS AND APPLAUSE 385 00:21:37,003 --> 00:21:39,563 INTERVIEWER: Did you get a sense that she was happy? 386 00:21:42,963 --> 00:21:45,723 I really don't want to get into the Bob and Paula stuff, 387 00:21:45,763 --> 00:21:47,123 really, I don't. 388 00:21:49,283 --> 00:21:53,843 At the time, there were allegations about both of them in the press. 389 00:21:56,043 --> 00:22:00,083 Well, Paula Yates didn't just date and marry a rock star, 390 00:22:00,123 --> 00:22:03,883 she lived her life like a rock star, almost like a male rock star, 391 00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:08,443 and the rumours would always be that she was, basically, 392 00:22:08,483 --> 00:22:11,483 shagging every single one of these men. 393 00:22:11,523 --> 00:22:13,123 I don't know if she did. 394 00:22:13,163 --> 00:22:14,483 I hope she did. 395 00:22:14,523 --> 00:22:19,443 Because these were some of the most gorgeous and sexy, virile men 396 00:22:19,483 --> 00:22:21,723 in their prime of the '80s. 397 00:22:24,083 --> 00:22:26,923 Every once in a while, The Tube does something to make everyone happy, 398 00:22:26,963 --> 00:22:29,603 and this is it, so you have to put down your baked beans, 399 00:22:29,643 --> 00:22:31,523 you have to stand up in your living room, 400 00:22:31,563 --> 00:22:34,483 you have to take off your vest because you're going to get so hot, 401 00:22:34,523 --> 00:22:37,243 because it's just the best singer you're going to see all year. 402 00:22:37,283 --> 00:22:38,723 That's it, there we go, perfect. 403 00:22:38,763 --> 00:22:40,323 Terence Trent D'Arby has got a voice 404 00:22:40,363 --> 00:22:41,923 that you just want to just kill for, 405 00:22:41,963 --> 00:22:43,883 and here he is in his first TV performance 406 00:22:43,923 --> 00:22:46,283 with his debut single, If You Let Me Stay. 407 00:22:46,323 --> 00:22:48,243 # Honey, don't leave me now 408 00:22:48,283 --> 00:22:50,923 # With my head on my shoulders wrong. # 409 00:22:50,963 --> 00:22:52,723 My name is Sananda Maitreya, 410 00:22:52,763 --> 00:22:56,643 I was previously known in another life as, as another thing. 411 00:22:56,683 --> 00:22:59,163 # If you let me stay 412 00:22:59,203 --> 00:23:01,243 # I'll say what I should've said. # 413 00:23:01,283 --> 00:23:04,883 First, let me just say that the subsequent 35 years, 414 00:23:04,923 --> 00:23:08,203 I have been asked about Paula Yates on numerous occasions 415 00:23:08,243 --> 00:23:10,683 and I've always refused to talk about her, 416 00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:15,963 but it's a relief to finally have this outlet to... 417 00:23:16,003 --> 00:23:20,483 ..to talk about and celebrate her life. 418 00:23:20,523 --> 00:23:22,763 Do you remember meeting Paula? 419 00:23:22,803 --> 00:23:26,363 Yes, I do remember meeting the madam. 420 00:23:26,403 --> 00:23:29,483 The first time I met her was before I went on stage for 421 00:23:29,523 --> 00:23:31,923 my first appearance on The Tube. 422 00:23:31,963 --> 00:23:33,843 What were your first impressions? 423 00:23:33,883 --> 00:23:36,443 Er, my first impressions of her were 424 00:23:36,483 --> 00:23:40,603 what you would expect from a 24, 25-year-old, 425 00:23:40,643 --> 00:23:45,043 you know, "Wow, she's, she's hot!" You know what I mean? 426 00:23:45,083 --> 00:23:47,803 You know, the business is full of beautiful women, 427 00:23:47,843 --> 00:23:51,003 but the ones who have made the impact that she... 428 00:23:51,043 --> 00:23:53,523 ..she had on the culture at the time. 429 00:23:53,563 --> 00:23:55,043 There's something else there. 430 00:23:55,083 --> 00:23:57,843 He originally came up to do six songs and... Two songs! 431 00:23:57,883 --> 00:24:00,603 And did six and I can hardly speak, I'm so excited. 432 00:24:18,963 --> 00:24:22,923 MUSIC: (She's Gonna) Do You In by The Boomtown Rats 433 00:24:22,963 --> 00:24:25,763 So, I'm in a hotel in New York, 434 00:24:25,803 --> 00:24:30,163 and I get this call from the front desk... 435 00:24:30,203 --> 00:24:32,483 ..telling me that there's a gentleman downstairs 436 00:24:32,523 --> 00:24:36,163 who would very much like to meet with me. 437 00:24:36,203 --> 00:24:39,403 "The gentleman says his name is Bob Geldof." 438 00:24:39,443 --> 00:24:42,443 Like, "Fu-u-u-ck!" 439 00:24:42,483 --> 00:24:45,043 And it was something along the lines of, 440 00:24:45,083 --> 00:24:48,083 "So, what's this about you and my wife, then? 441 00:24:49,123 --> 00:24:51,683 "Are you knobbing my wife?" 442 00:24:51,723 --> 00:24:56,563 So, of course, I did what any other self respecting, you know, 443 00:24:56,603 --> 00:25:01,523 25-year-old man would do and I fucking lied to him. 444 00:25:01,563 --> 00:25:04,163 What do you think about the comparisons that have been made 445 00:25:04,203 --> 00:25:07,523 about you, with Prince and, and people like Michael Jackson? 446 00:25:07,563 --> 00:25:11,323 Um, I think with Prince, to be fair, a lot of it has to do with the fact 447 00:25:11,363 --> 00:25:13,083 that we're both of similar complexion. 448 00:25:13,123 --> 00:25:16,483 There's a headline... I don't want to see it. You can read it. 449 00:25:16,523 --> 00:25:18,603 I'll read to you, it's front page, 450 00:25:18,643 --> 00:25:22,843 it's News Of The World, just says... 451 00:25:23,883 --> 00:25:26,883 ..and it's really shocking to see it from this perspective. 452 00:25:26,923 --> 00:25:29,163 Yes. 453 00:25:29,203 --> 00:25:32,683 Was race an element of that... 454 00:25:32,723 --> 00:25:35,603 ..criticism that you faced, of that story? 455 00:25:38,923 --> 00:25:46,243 We're an Anglo-based culture, how can it not? 456 00:25:46,283 --> 00:25:47,683 How can it not? 457 00:25:47,723 --> 00:25:49,683 The whole News Of The World, 458 00:25:49,723 --> 00:25:54,003 "Paula caught with black star," and manipulating that for... 459 00:25:54,043 --> 00:25:59,203 ..for public...retribution, I was going to pay for that, 460 00:25:59,243 --> 00:26:02,683 I did, she was going to pay for that, she did. 461 00:26:22,803 --> 00:26:29,803 I do believe that connected with that whole Bob and Paula thing, 462 00:26:29,843 --> 00:26:33,723 there were the knives out, ready to carve me into Thanksgiving turkey, 463 00:26:33,763 --> 00:26:36,243 and that's subsequently what I experienced. 464 00:26:40,563 --> 00:26:42,283 Yeah, I don't think in terms of rating, 465 00:26:42,323 --> 00:26:44,683 I just think in terms of getting my links right. 466 00:26:44,723 --> 00:26:46,963 I'll just be, you know, extremely relieved 467 00:26:47,003 --> 00:26:49,843 if it all goes smoothly, you know, to begin with. 468 00:26:51,403 --> 00:26:53,763 REPORTER: The new £10 million, five-mornings-a-week 469 00:26:53,803 --> 00:26:55,603 Channel 4 Big Breakfast will have 470 00:26:55,643 --> 00:26:58,723 a combination of studio activities and live broadcast events 471 00:26:58,763 --> 00:27:01,363 with ITN News bulletins popping up too. 472 00:27:01,403 --> 00:27:04,123 The format, in so far as there is one, is very much along 473 00:27:04,163 --> 00:27:06,003 the lines of television youth programmes, 474 00:27:06,043 --> 00:27:09,523 a sort of slam-bang-gotcha style of presentation. 475 00:27:09,563 --> 00:27:12,083 One of the things that I think is great with this is, 476 00:27:12,123 --> 00:27:15,323 it's so pacey, everything just...rollicks along. 477 00:27:15,363 --> 00:27:17,483 MULTIPLE CAMERAS CLICKING 478 00:27:17,523 --> 00:27:20,843 Hello, so shocking to see you not outside our house. 479 00:27:20,883 --> 00:27:22,483 I know. It's really weird. 480 00:27:22,523 --> 00:27:24,483 At today's launch, Bob Geldof, 481 00:27:24,523 --> 00:27:26,923 the big name behind the new show wasn't around, 482 00:27:26,963 --> 00:27:30,643 but his wife, Paula Yates, a presenter on the Big Breakfast was. 483 00:27:30,683 --> 00:27:33,083 It is terrible in the morning, are you good in the mornings? 484 00:27:33,123 --> 00:27:35,723 I'm really sickeningly good. 485 00:27:35,763 --> 00:27:37,883 Like, you know, those vomity people that wake up 486 00:27:37,923 --> 00:27:41,283 and sing selections from Rogers and Hammerstein very loudly 487 00:27:41,323 --> 00:27:42,643 up and down the stairs. 488 00:27:42,683 --> 00:27:44,763 Is it true you had an affair with Prince? 489 00:27:44,803 --> 00:27:48,403 No, Prince has...has been an idol of mine... Did you sleep with him? No. 490 00:27:48,443 --> 00:27:50,683 Oh, come on! No! 491 00:27:50,723 --> 00:27:54,963 I don't believe that anyone else carried out their interviews 492 00:27:55,003 --> 00:27:56,123 on a double bed, 493 00:27:56,163 --> 00:27:59,723 I mean, that was very much her sense of humour, she loved that. 494 00:27:59,763 --> 00:28:01,203 That's more meaningful. 495 00:28:01,243 --> 00:28:02,363 She always used to say to me, 496 00:28:02,403 --> 00:28:05,243 "I'll never interview anybody less famous than myself," 497 00:28:05,283 --> 00:28:07,563 and she asked the kind of questions, 498 00:28:07,603 --> 00:28:11,043 naughty kind of questions, flirty kind of questions. 499 00:28:11,083 --> 00:28:13,243 You promised me you wouldn't wear that dress again. 500 00:28:13,283 --> 00:28:15,563 No, but you said you wouldn't wear yours. 501 00:28:18,483 --> 00:28:23,163 The Big Breakfast bed was somehow this kind of sexy detonator. 502 00:28:23,203 --> 00:28:25,403 You wouldn't be wolf mother with a howl like that! 503 00:28:25,443 --> 00:28:28,243 I could do a bigger howl if I got revved up. 504 00:28:28,283 --> 00:28:30,323 LAUGHTER Hello! 505 00:28:30,363 --> 00:28:34,323 She became absolutely sort of key and crucial to it, 506 00:28:34,363 --> 00:28:36,203 and emblematic of it in a way 507 00:28:36,243 --> 00:28:38,723 because Paula Yates was the on-the-bed person, 508 00:28:38,763 --> 00:28:40,163 On The Bed With Paula, 509 00:28:40,203 --> 00:28:44,003 and there she would be interviewing the great big stars of the time. 510 00:28:44,043 --> 00:28:48,123 Come on, give me some marriage tips, big boy. All right. 511 00:28:48,163 --> 00:28:53,563 And she would give these incredibly sparky, spirited interviews. 512 00:28:53,603 --> 00:28:55,323 It's not quite the same though, is it, 513 00:28:55,363 --> 00:28:56,803 saying you're doing well in Belgium? 514 00:28:56,843 --> 00:28:59,323 It's like saying I was doing very well in Cleethorpes, isn't it? 515 00:28:59,363 --> 00:29:02,243 Right, right. I mean, Belgium's quite dull, isn't it? 516 00:29:02,283 --> 00:29:06,483 And she did it by seducing every single person on the bed, 517 00:29:06,523 --> 00:29:11,043 didn't matter who it was, whoever it was, she would flirt shamelessly, 518 00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:12,323 and she was irresistible. 519 00:29:12,363 --> 00:29:14,763 Is it true you've got three nipples? Yes, it is. 520 00:29:14,803 --> 00:29:16,683 Is it true you have three nipples? 521 00:29:16,723 --> 00:29:19,643 No, I don't, I don't have this unusual asset. 522 00:29:19,683 --> 00:29:23,243 It would be wrong to think that the On The Bed interviews 523 00:29:23,283 --> 00:29:26,363 were all kind of jokey and light-hearted and frothy 524 00:29:26,403 --> 00:29:28,563 and superficial cos actually they weren't. 525 00:29:28,603 --> 00:29:30,763 Do you get upset cos some of the criticism 526 00:29:30,803 --> 00:29:32,683 does insinuate that you're sort of 527 00:29:32,723 --> 00:29:35,123 two vol-au-vents short of the full buffet? 528 00:29:35,163 --> 00:29:38,083 Somehow or other being on the bed meant that people would talk in 529 00:29:38,123 --> 00:29:39,963 a very open way about all sorts of things 530 00:29:40,003 --> 00:29:41,883 and Paula was expert, actually, 531 00:29:41,923 --> 00:29:43,923 at really getting to the root of an interview 532 00:29:43,963 --> 00:29:45,883 and getting to the really interesting stuff. 533 00:29:45,923 --> 00:29:48,083 It doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, 534 00:29:48,123 --> 00:29:49,803 everybody can do drag, you know? 535 00:29:49,843 --> 00:29:52,043 But what attracted you to it in the first place? 536 00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:55,123 I mean, when was that moment where you suddenly thought... 537 00:29:55,163 --> 00:29:57,403 .."Hey, I'm going to put on girls knickers"? 538 00:29:57,443 --> 00:29:59,283 LAUGHTER 539 00:29:59,323 --> 00:30:02,283 Of course, this was all before nine o'clock in the morning, 540 00:30:02,323 --> 00:30:06,083 and therefore it was a kind of, um, revolutionary television, 541 00:30:06,123 --> 00:30:10,123 kind of masquerading as light entertainment, 542 00:30:10,163 --> 00:30:12,963 but really having, sometimes, a very serious kernel. 543 00:30:13,003 --> 00:30:15,243 Does it make you cross that it's not easier for gay men 544 00:30:15,283 --> 00:30:17,963 to get a baby when they'd probably make very good dads? 545 00:30:18,003 --> 00:30:22,523 I think it's just the way things are, really. It will change. 546 00:30:22,563 --> 00:30:25,243 How quickly? Probably... 547 00:30:25,283 --> 00:30:27,443 ..within ten years. 548 00:30:27,483 --> 00:30:29,403 INTERVIEWER: Do you remember meeting her? 549 00:30:29,443 --> 00:30:33,163 Er, I'm guessing it was the Big Breakfast? 550 00:30:34,803 --> 00:30:39,763 I must be the absolute most envied woman in the entire country 551 00:30:39,803 --> 00:30:42,243 because Jason's kissing... You're married to Bob Geldof? 552 00:30:42,283 --> 00:30:45,163 Yeah, because I'm married to Bob and because Jason's kissing my arm. 553 00:30:45,203 --> 00:30:47,603 You're going to ask me what I was thinking then, 554 00:30:47,643 --> 00:30:52,603 I was thinking, "Don't fancy Jason," like, everybody fancied Jason, 555 00:30:52,643 --> 00:30:54,683 they still fancy Jason. 556 00:30:54,723 --> 00:30:56,363 It's that chin. 557 00:30:56,403 --> 00:30:58,123 I was, like... Did you fancy her? 558 00:30:58,163 --> 00:31:00,363 Oh, yeah, course I did, yeah. 559 00:31:00,403 --> 00:31:01,923 Nothing ever happened. 560 00:31:01,963 --> 00:31:03,883 Yeah, no, nothing ever happened. 561 00:31:03,923 --> 00:31:05,643 Yeah, I wanted her to fancy me. 562 00:31:05,683 --> 00:31:08,123 Bob was just telling... Are you going to come and see us? 563 00:31:08,163 --> 00:31:09,723 No, you can't suck my big toe! 564 00:31:09,763 --> 00:31:12,723 Are you going to come and see us? No, cos it's all dirty. Yes, I am. 565 00:31:12,763 --> 00:31:15,043 You know, she was easy to get on with 566 00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:19,043 and I don't find that many people easy to get on with 567 00:31:19,083 --> 00:31:22,883 because, you know, I'm quite socially awkward myself, 568 00:31:22,923 --> 00:31:27,963 so when you find people that you do feel comfortable with, 569 00:31:28,003 --> 00:31:29,363 they make an impact. 570 00:31:29,403 --> 00:31:34,163 And when it's somebody as exotic and intoxicating 571 00:31:34,203 --> 00:31:36,843 and as smart as Paula, 572 00:31:36,883 --> 00:31:40,283 it leaves a lasting impact. 573 00:31:40,323 --> 00:31:42,803 But I suppose, when you think about it, 574 00:31:42,843 --> 00:31:45,883 there's only really one interview that everybody remembers 575 00:31:45,923 --> 00:31:48,963 and that was her interview with Michael Hutchence. 576 00:31:49,003 --> 00:31:53,843 This is a guest that has everything that a rock star needs to have - 577 00:31:53,883 --> 00:31:59,643 danger, talent, curly hair and Australian subtlety. 578 00:31:59,683 --> 00:32:01,563 And, for the first time, 579 00:32:01,603 --> 00:32:07,003 this is a guest that I want to have my leg over. 580 00:32:07,043 --> 00:32:08,323 And it is... 581 00:32:08,363 --> 00:32:11,163 ..it's the fantastically talented Michael Hutchence. 582 00:32:11,203 --> 00:32:12,523 Hi. 583 00:32:12,563 --> 00:32:15,963 Were you always very forward? Am I forward? 584 00:32:16,003 --> 00:32:18,323 Well, a bit. And you're talking. 585 00:32:18,363 --> 00:32:20,843 THE CREW LAUGH 586 00:32:20,883 --> 00:32:22,963 BELINDA BREWIN: It was quite an outrage. 587 00:32:23,003 --> 00:32:27,203 I mean, I remember her legs were kind of entwined with his, 588 00:32:27,243 --> 00:32:29,003 and he was a bit... 589 00:32:29,043 --> 00:32:34,163 ..well, not taken aback but you could see he was blushing and... 590 00:32:34,203 --> 00:32:35,923 But you could see a connection. 591 00:32:35,963 --> 00:32:39,283 I mean, there was definitely a connection. 592 00:32:39,323 --> 00:32:43,083 I mean, the funny thing was, she, for years, 593 00:32:43,123 --> 00:32:49,643 had a picture of Michael on the fridge and it said "Love Dog" and... 594 00:32:50,763 --> 00:32:55,163 ..Bob came down and I think he wrote "cunt" across his picture. 595 00:32:55,203 --> 00:32:57,283 And do you think you're going to get married? 596 00:32:57,323 --> 00:32:59,083 HE LAUGHS 597 00:32:59,123 --> 00:33:01,163 Erm... What? 598 00:33:01,203 --> 00:33:03,803 Do you think that you'll get married? No! No, no... Why not? 599 00:33:03,843 --> 00:33:05,963 I'm happily unmarried. Are you? Mm-hm. 600 00:33:06,003 --> 00:33:07,963 Why don't you fancy getting married, though? 601 00:33:08,003 --> 00:33:10,083 I... Because everyone wants us to get married. 602 00:33:10,123 --> 00:33:11,763 I don't. I know, except for you. 603 00:33:11,803 --> 00:33:14,323 It's a terrible, terrible idea. Terrible idea. 604 00:33:14,363 --> 00:33:17,163 How quickly after that interview did they get together? 605 00:33:19,483 --> 00:33:20,923 Five minutes. 606 00:33:20,963 --> 00:33:23,283 SHE LAUGHS No, um... 607 00:33:23,323 --> 00:33:25,403 In the green room. SHE LAUGHS 608 00:33:25,443 --> 00:33:29,123 I... No, don't put that in for fuck's sake. 609 00:33:39,003 --> 00:33:42,003 TOWNSEND: Maybe the initial shock that her and Bob were no longer, 610 00:33:42,043 --> 00:33:43,483 and that she was having this affair 611 00:33:43,523 --> 00:33:46,003 with this very colourful Michael Hutchence, 612 00:33:46,043 --> 00:33:48,363 sort of very handsome, 613 00:33:48,403 --> 00:33:50,443 very kind of desired kind of figure, 614 00:33:50,483 --> 00:33:52,403 that would've been a good story for a while, 615 00:33:52,443 --> 00:33:56,083 but I think then the media sort of took Bob's side 616 00:33:56,123 --> 00:33:59,403 because he was Saint Bob and Paula was the scarlet woman. 617 00:34:01,563 --> 00:34:03,763 INTERVIEWER: Did she get it worse than most? 618 00:34:03,803 --> 00:34:05,443 Absolutely, beyond doubt, 619 00:34:05,483 --> 00:34:08,883 all of the things that made Paula 620 00:34:08,923 --> 00:34:12,923 so lovable when she was in her 20s, 621 00:34:12,963 --> 00:34:18,683 the fact that she was gobby and anarchic and sexual. 622 00:34:20,483 --> 00:34:24,483 All of those things by the time she had got into her late 30s, 623 00:34:24,523 --> 00:34:28,563 they were no longer attractive to lots and lots 624 00:34:28,603 --> 00:34:32,883 and lots of men in media - and women too - but it was mainly men. 625 00:34:32,923 --> 00:34:34,283 And, er... 626 00:34:34,323 --> 00:34:38,243 I think that the way that she was, you know, 627 00:34:38,283 --> 00:34:43,643 pilloried and picked on was incredibly heart-breaking. 628 00:34:45,163 --> 00:34:47,723 PHOTOGRAPHERS CALLING OUT 629 00:34:50,043 --> 00:34:52,323 I wouldn't have changed anything I had done, 630 00:34:52,363 --> 00:34:53,603 but I would certainly have changed 631 00:34:53,643 --> 00:34:55,323 a lot of things other people have done. 632 00:34:55,363 --> 00:34:59,123 Such as? What like? Erm... 633 00:34:59,163 --> 00:35:00,683 Just the general coverage, you know, 634 00:35:00,723 --> 00:35:02,803 I think that's been quite difficult to deal with. 635 00:35:02,843 --> 00:35:05,083 PAUL MERTON:Is it breast implants? LAUGHTER 636 00:35:05,123 --> 00:35:07,083 Oh, well, that's very gentlemanly! 637 00:35:07,123 --> 00:35:09,003 LAUGHTER 638 00:35:09,043 --> 00:35:10,323 That's really nice, 639 00:35:10,363 --> 00:35:12,243 you could have said it was, like, Gazza, me... 640 00:35:12,283 --> 00:35:15,763 GRACE DENT: It's that constant kicking up the arse, you know, 641 00:35:15,803 --> 00:35:19,083 and that's what made me really angry 642 00:35:19,123 --> 00:35:22,443 about how she was treated on Have I Got News For You 643 00:35:22,483 --> 00:35:27,683 because she got a drubbing that a politician wouldn't, 644 00:35:27,723 --> 00:35:31,203 who, you know, led the country into absolute ruin, 645 00:35:31,243 --> 00:35:33,243 and what had she actually done? 646 00:35:33,283 --> 00:35:38,243 What, what...? What was it that Paula Yates did that upset you? 647 00:35:38,283 --> 00:35:39,523 What was it? 648 00:35:39,563 --> 00:35:42,043 It's a big secret, though, isn't it, your breast implants? 649 00:35:42,083 --> 00:35:43,803 LAUGHTER 650 00:35:43,843 --> 00:35:46,403 Erm, I mean, you certainly kept it quiet. 651 00:35:46,443 --> 00:35:48,683 LAUGHTER 652 00:35:49,763 --> 00:35:51,843 Yeah, I was straight on the phone to somebody 653 00:35:51,883 --> 00:35:53,443 with a greasy shirt in Wapping saying, 654 00:35:53,483 --> 00:35:55,403 "Please discuss my breasts with the nation." 655 00:35:55,443 --> 00:35:57,283 "And can you buy the rights of my book?" 656 00:35:57,323 --> 00:35:59,363 LAUGHTER 657 00:35:59,403 --> 00:36:02,763 I think it's always been very difficult to be a woman 658 00:36:02,803 --> 00:36:05,203 with multiple layers to you. 659 00:36:05,243 --> 00:36:07,683 I mean, if you were a sort of Dolly Dealer, you know, 660 00:36:07,723 --> 00:36:09,923 you're pretty and bosomy, and where all you had to do 661 00:36:09,963 --> 00:36:12,083 was giggle or something like that and be, you know, 662 00:36:12,123 --> 00:36:13,963 cute and whatever, that was one thing. 663 00:36:14,003 --> 00:36:16,603 If you were a sort of clever blue-stocking, 664 00:36:16,643 --> 00:36:18,883 and you weren't supposed to be pretty or attractive, 665 00:36:18,923 --> 00:36:20,283 you were just supposed to be clever, 666 00:36:20,323 --> 00:36:22,443 that was another thing, although people didn't much like that 667 00:36:22,483 --> 00:36:24,283 cos they didn't much like clever women. 668 00:36:24,323 --> 00:36:26,763 But to be lots of different things was just confusing 669 00:36:26,803 --> 00:36:29,123 and pissed everybody off. You know, what are you for? 670 00:36:29,163 --> 00:36:30,963 Am I meant to want to masturbate about you? 671 00:36:31,003 --> 00:36:32,843 Am I meant to want to have dinner with you? 672 00:36:32,883 --> 00:36:34,683 Am I supposed to marry you? What am I meant to do? 673 00:36:34,723 --> 00:36:37,603 And I think, particularly, vocal woman, 674 00:36:37,643 --> 00:36:39,563 didn't really matter what you were saying, 675 00:36:39,603 --> 00:36:41,643 it was much more that you were saying it. 676 00:36:41,683 --> 00:36:44,083 So Paula Yates was extremely vocal 677 00:36:44,123 --> 00:36:47,083 and that alienated a vast swathe. 678 00:36:47,123 --> 00:36:49,043 I mean, it's terrible bloody media intrusion, 679 00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:50,683 look, there's cameras here, Paula. 680 00:36:50,723 --> 00:36:52,843 LAUGHTER 681 00:36:53,923 --> 00:36:56,163 Ian...? She was invited on this show. 682 00:36:56,203 --> 00:36:58,163 Please stop being unkind. 683 00:36:58,203 --> 00:37:00,243 Don't be unkind. 684 00:37:00,283 --> 00:37:03,443 What was it that really upset people? 685 00:37:03,483 --> 00:37:05,923 Was it cos she was shameless? 686 00:37:05,963 --> 00:37:09,403 She refused to go cap in hand to these people 687 00:37:09,443 --> 00:37:13,963 and rebrand herself as being holier than thou. 688 00:37:14,003 --> 00:37:19,243 And, er, she was absolutely pilloried at every, every turn. 689 00:37:26,763 --> 00:37:29,163 MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYS 690 00:37:45,483 --> 00:37:48,803 PAULA: 691 00:37:57,363 --> 00:37:59,523 INTERVIEWER: Were they having a good time? 692 00:37:59,563 --> 00:38:02,683 BELINDA BREWIN: Yes, they had a great time. 693 00:38:02,723 --> 00:38:04,403 Yeah, they had a really good time. 694 00:38:04,443 --> 00:38:06,563 I mean, you know, they went to Bali on holiday, 695 00:38:06,603 --> 00:38:09,403 they went to Paris, they went to Rome. 696 00:38:09,443 --> 00:38:11,963 Michael had his place in the South of France, 697 00:38:12,003 --> 00:38:15,163 so they would go there and, yeah, it was, 698 00:38:15,203 --> 00:38:17,563 it was fantastic and it was great to see them 699 00:38:17,603 --> 00:38:18,883 and they were so happy, 700 00:38:18,923 --> 00:38:21,843 and they were really, really in love, you know? 701 00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:26,323 I know Paula to be incredibly playful 702 00:38:26,363 --> 00:38:32,283 and get sucked in to things of the moment, you know, 703 00:38:32,323 --> 00:38:35,883 and so I can only assume that she just got kind of sucked into 704 00:38:35,923 --> 00:38:38,283 the whole, the power of Michael. 705 00:38:38,323 --> 00:38:42,003 I can certainly remember when he was going out with Kylie, 706 00:38:42,043 --> 00:38:43,963 and there were a number of clients that went, 707 00:38:44,003 --> 00:38:46,163 "Oh, God, how's that gonna turn...?" 708 00:38:46,203 --> 00:38:51,323 You know, so he already had this reputation of being fairly wild. 709 00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:54,643 I suppose there was an instant where I'm thinking, 710 00:38:54,683 --> 00:38:57,083 "Is Paula going to succumb to that?" 711 00:38:57,123 --> 00:39:02,203 PAULA: 712 00:39:11,563 --> 00:39:14,323 TOWNSEND: Did he ever use drugs when you were together? 713 00:39:21,563 --> 00:39:25,483 INTERVIEWER: What was the reaction to their new relationship? 714 00:39:25,523 --> 00:39:26,563 The press? 715 00:39:28,363 --> 00:39:30,483 Well, it just went crazy, didn't it? 716 00:39:30,523 --> 00:39:31,963 And it went crazy. 717 00:39:42,763 --> 00:39:44,963 The whole thing with the phone tapping and, you know, 718 00:39:45,003 --> 00:39:46,123 all of that. 719 00:39:46,163 --> 00:39:50,363 I mean, the phone tapping was almost laughable you could hear it. 720 00:39:50,403 --> 00:39:52,683 Click-click, I mean, it's madness. 721 00:39:52,723 --> 00:39:55,043 But illegal stuff. 722 00:39:55,083 --> 00:39:58,043 One day my daughter came and said, 723 00:39:58,083 --> 00:40:01,803 "Mum, there's a guy climbing in the bedroom window." 724 00:40:01,843 --> 00:40:03,643 And I was like, "What?" 725 00:40:03,683 --> 00:40:08,443 "He says he wants to talk to you," so he thought it was OK to climb in, 726 00:40:08,483 --> 00:40:10,363 into my daughter's bedroom, 727 00:40:10,403 --> 00:40:12,723 scared the living daylights out of her and then said, 728 00:40:12,763 --> 00:40:16,243 "No, no, it's OK, I just want to speak to your mum," so that was OK. 729 00:40:17,723 --> 00:40:20,203 The papers had to be filled every single day 730 00:40:20,243 --> 00:40:22,683 and if they were, you know, 731 00:40:22,723 --> 00:40:24,403 scandalous stories all the better, 732 00:40:24,443 --> 00:40:27,323 all the more chance of getting on page one. 733 00:40:27,363 --> 00:40:31,403 How do you feel being part of that? 734 00:40:31,443 --> 00:40:33,883 I was doing my job, is what I felt and, you know, 735 00:40:33,923 --> 00:40:37,963 my job was to report on a story that was of public interest. 736 00:40:38,003 --> 00:40:40,323 I look back on it now, you know, I... 737 00:40:40,363 --> 00:40:43,163 I don't regret anything cos I, I just don't. 738 00:40:43,203 --> 00:40:46,643 You know, I did... I did what I did at the time for the right reasons, 739 00:40:46,683 --> 00:40:48,883 but I think, erm... 740 00:40:48,923 --> 00:40:55,443 ..I could see how sometimes it would be too much for people and, erm... 741 00:40:55,483 --> 00:40:57,643 ..that's not a nice feeling, really. 742 00:41:33,643 --> 00:41:35,883 MICHAEL HUTCHENCE: It was really easy, it was great. 743 00:41:35,923 --> 00:41:37,203 She was fantastic. Brilliant. 744 00:41:37,243 --> 00:41:38,883 What's it like being a new dad, Michael? 745 00:41:38,923 --> 00:41:41,923 It's, erm, it's beautiful. I mean, it's fantastic. 746 00:41:41,963 --> 00:41:44,203 I'm on cloud nine, you know, what can I say? 747 00:41:44,243 --> 00:41:46,883 TINA HUTCHENCE: Michael looked so happy, he was so proud 748 00:41:46,923 --> 00:41:48,123 of his little child. 749 00:41:50,443 --> 00:41:54,803 Well, Michael was born just after my 12th birthday. 750 00:41:54,843 --> 00:41:56,603 We had this relationship where 751 00:41:56,643 --> 00:41:58,043 I was his sister, 752 00:41:58,083 --> 00:42:00,523 but I was his mother too. 753 00:42:00,563 --> 00:42:05,923 This is very soon after Tiger was born, 754 00:42:05,963 --> 00:42:08,443 it's at Michael's villa. 755 00:42:08,483 --> 00:42:11,603 Paula with mother and Ross, 756 00:42:11,643 --> 00:42:15,563 they all just really loved this photograph and... 757 00:42:15,603 --> 00:42:17,683 Mm. 758 00:42:17,723 --> 00:42:21,803 Paula, Paula? Paula, this way, please. Paula. 759 00:42:23,083 --> 00:42:27,563 The press surrounding that whole thing with Michael and Paula 760 00:42:27,603 --> 00:42:30,763 in London was a big deal. 761 00:42:30,803 --> 00:42:33,363 At some stage he said to me, 762 00:42:33,403 --> 00:42:38,243 "You know, it's like people know where I'm going." 763 00:42:39,803 --> 00:42:46,483 He said, "How do they know? When I get a car they know where I'm going, 764 00:42:46,523 --> 00:42:48,523 "they're there before I am." 765 00:42:48,563 --> 00:42:53,483 You know, I had my suspicions that... 766 00:42:53,523 --> 00:42:56,523 ..that Paula was making some calls, 767 00:42:56,563 --> 00:42:59,043 even though I didn't really know her well, 768 00:42:59,083 --> 00:43:05,563 but there was something about her background that made me think, 769 00:43:05,603 --> 00:43:07,603 "Yes, they knew where he was going." 770 00:43:07,643 --> 00:43:10,803 He said, "They're always waiting for me with their cameras, 771 00:43:10,843 --> 00:43:13,643 "it's just really hard to live here." 772 00:43:13,683 --> 00:43:16,403 TOWNSEND: I suspect there were people in the press she liked 773 00:43:16,443 --> 00:43:19,283 and people she violently didn't like, as being Paula, 774 00:43:19,323 --> 00:43:21,403 there'd be no halfway measures. 775 00:43:21,443 --> 00:43:24,723 Pretty much everyone on tabloid newspaper was not someone she was 776 00:43:24,763 --> 00:43:26,083 going to like very much. 777 00:43:26,123 --> 00:43:29,163 CROWD CHEERING 778 00:43:29,203 --> 00:43:32,043 REPORTER: Rock and roll's most talked about couple were attending 779 00:43:32,083 --> 00:43:35,043 the glitzy opening of Sydney's IMAX theatre last night, 780 00:43:35,083 --> 00:43:38,643 at the same time detectives were raiding their London home. 781 00:43:38,683 --> 00:43:41,403 Acting on a warrant, police seized plastic bags 782 00:43:41,443 --> 00:43:44,923 containing a substance believed to be opium. 783 00:43:44,963 --> 00:43:48,243 I think the beginning of the end of that was, 784 00:43:48,283 --> 00:43:51,563 obviously, the "drugs bust". 785 00:43:51,603 --> 00:43:54,723 That, that caused... 786 00:43:54,763 --> 00:44:01,363 ..huge, obviously, upset, worry and then the press were like, you know, 787 00:44:01,403 --> 00:44:05,003 "Now we've got them, now we've got them." 788 00:44:05,043 --> 00:44:10,323 PAULA: 789 00:44:10,363 --> 00:44:11,963 TOWNSEND: Yeah. 790 00:44:12,003 --> 00:44:14,763 But you're saying that it never came into family life? 791 00:44:18,243 --> 00:44:20,523 INTERVIEWER: So, it wasn't like a police raid? 792 00:44:20,563 --> 00:44:22,843 BELINDA BREWIN: No! Not at all. 793 00:44:22,883 --> 00:44:25,683 The police didn't bust them, did they, you know? 794 00:44:25,723 --> 00:44:27,163 The nanny found them. 795 00:44:28,443 --> 00:44:31,243 NEWSREADER: Paula Yates has arrived back in London to do battle 796 00:44:31,283 --> 00:44:33,003 with her former husband Bob Geldof 797 00:44:33,043 --> 00:44:35,123 over the custody of their children. 798 00:44:35,163 --> 00:44:37,963 She cut short her Australian trip after a drug raid 799 00:44:38,003 --> 00:44:41,923 on the London home she shares with her partner Michael Hutchence. 800 00:44:41,963 --> 00:44:45,043 Well, I've just come back to fight for custody of my children. 801 00:44:45,083 --> 00:44:47,883 I've had to leave Tiger behind in Australia with her dad. 802 00:44:49,803 --> 00:44:52,163 In the end there were no charges, 803 00:44:52,203 --> 00:44:56,043 but, you know, it's still there in the press, so that's still true. 804 00:45:04,203 --> 00:45:07,843 Basically, the kids were going to go out with Paula, 805 00:45:07,883 --> 00:45:11,403 Michael had arranged it all, he'd rented this house, 806 00:45:11,443 --> 00:45:12,843 everything was going to be great, 807 00:45:12,883 --> 00:45:15,403 he was very excited to have the girls come. 808 00:45:27,483 --> 00:45:29,083 PAULA: 809 00:46:40,683 --> 00:46:43,683 Subtitles by Red Bee Media