1 00:00:02,043 --> 00:00:05,003 Welcome please, Paula Yates. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 2 00:00:07,963 --> 00:00:10,963 This programme contains strong language and reference to suicide 3 00:00:11,003 --> 00:00:13,283 Well, Paula, I must say, I found this a fascinating book, 4 00:00:13,323 --> 00:00:16,123 but it is rather an unusual subject, isn't it? 5 00:00:16,163 --> 00:00:19,243 Yeah. What gave you the inspiration to write this book? 6 00:00:19,283 --> 00:00:22,243 What happened in the first place was I was trying to think of a way 7 00:00:22,283 --> 00:00:24,003 I could get my picture on a book. Right. 8 00:00:24,043 --> 00:00:26,723 I wasn't bothered about writing anything or anything else, 9 00:00:26,763 --> 00:00:28,363 I just wanted to have a photo session. 10 00:00:28,403 --> 00:00:31,203 How do you approach a rock star and ask him 11 00:00:31,243 --> 00:00:32,603 to pose in his underpants? 12 00:00:32,643 --> 00:00:35,323 It's quite hard. You get them drunk and say, "Get them off." 13 00:00:35,363 --> 00:00:37,243 LAUGHTER 14 00:00:37,283 --> 00:00:39,083 Why did you stop at the underpants? 15 00:00:39,123 --> 00:00:42,443 Cos I don't wanna see their willies. I mean... 16 00:00:42,483 --> 00:00:45,003 She said she was laying in bed one morning and she saw 17 00:00:45,043 --> 00:00:47,883 a pair of Bob's underpants at the end the bed, over some post 18 00:00:47,923 --> 00:00:50,803 on the end of the bed and she thought, "That'd be a good idea. 19 00:00:50,843 --> 00:00:53,083 "Get them all to wear their underpants and make a book." 20 00:00:53,123 --> 00:00:55,203 She did it. You know, that was Paula. 21 00:00:55,243 --> 00:00:56,723 What she went out to do, she did. 22 00:00:56,763 --> 00:00:58,883 Which is your favourite picture in the book? 23 00:00:58,923 --> 00:01:00,963 My... I mean, there's quite a few to choose from. 24 00:01:01,003 --> 00:01:02,843 My cover picture's my favourite picture. 25 00:01:02,883 --> 00:01:04,563 OK, well thanks a lot for coming in and, uh, 26 00:01:04,603 --> 00:01:07,483 I really enjoyed seeing your book. Hope I can take a picture of you 27 00:01:07,523 --> 00:01:09,523 in your underpants some day. Um, Graham. 28 00:01:09,563 --> 00:01:12,243 Did she enjoy being famous? No, she loved being famous. 29 00:01:12,283 --> 00:01:14,803 In them days, she loved it. She had columns everywhere. 30 00:01:14,843 --> 00:01:18,123 She'd have been on all the shows. She loved talking. 31 00:01:18,163 --> 00:01:20,843 Paula Yates was probably, next to Princess Diana, 32 00:01:20,883 --> 00:01:23,563 the most famous female in England. 33 00:01:23,603 --> 00:01:25,843 Paula Yates is probably better known 34 00:01:25,883 --> 00:01:29,043 for her private life than for her TV career. 35 00:01:29,083 --> 00:01:30,883 The rock star, Michael Hutchence, 36 00:01:30,923 --> 00:01:33,163 was found hanging from a door in a Sydney hotel room. 37 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:50,003 I remember walking into the room and the room was just 38 00:01:50,043 --> 00:01:53,003 completely still and Paula was sitting at this table, 39 00:01:53,043 --> 00:01:57,563 her kind of general demeanour was just...lost. 40 00:01:57,603 --> 00:02:00,963 I mean, she just seemed tired and lost. 41 00:02:18,563 --> 00:02:22,763 I realised that whatever happened, wherever these interviews took us, 42 00:02:22,803 --> 00:02:24,163 that she would always be honest. 43 00:02:40,203 --> 00:02:43,843 Well, Paula, I know that you write a column for a music paper 44 00:02:43,883 --> 00:02:47,483 and it's a very sharp... I find it a very amusing column, I love it. 45 00:02:47,523 --> 00:02:52,163 And I wondered why a lady who writes as well as you do would want to do 46 00:02:52,203 --> 00:02:55,643 a nude photo layout like you did for Penthouse. Was it...? 47 00:02:55,683 --> 00:02:58,203 To make money. To make money. Just for the money? 48 00:02:58,243 --> 00:03:00,763 Yeah. Cos you didn't even have on underpants. 49 00:03:00,803 --> 00:03:02,963 No, but I didn't realise my backside would look like 50 00:03:03,003 --> 00:03:04,563 a scalded ham when I did it. 51 00:03:04,603 --> 00:03:06,043 LAUGHTER 52 00:03:06,083 --> 00:03:07,843 Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought, 53 00:03:07,883 --> 00:03:10,443 "Well, here's this beautiful girl posing in Penthouse and yet, 54 00:03:10,483 --> 00:03:12,523 "when she takes pictures of rock stars, 55 00:03:12,563 --> 00:03:14,203 "they've got their knickers on... 56 00:03:14,243 --> 00:03:15,763 "..and you didn't." 57 00:03:15,803 --> 00:03:18,123 I wish you hadn't thought that, in fact, Jackie. 58 00:03:18,163 --> 00:03:19,563 Well, I don't know. I think... 59 00:03:19,603 --> 00:03:21,563 Jackie Collins wrote novels. 60 00:03:21,603 --> 00:03:24,843 Loads of them, to huge acclaim, enormous success, 61 00:03:24,883 --> 00:03:27,363 and earned herself a great deal of money just through 62 00:03:27,403 --> 00:03:28,763 the power of her pen. 63 00:03:28,803 --> 00:03:32,043 So I think what Jackie Collins is trying to say to Paula Yates here, 64 00:03:32,083 --> 00:03:36,363 under the guise of, "Hey, we're all part of the sisterhood, you know? 65 00:03:36,403 --> 00:03:38,803 "It's really great to see you here, you know, 66 00:03:38,843 --> 00:03:40,963 "I really admire what you've written. 67 00:03:41,003 --> 00:03:42,603 "So why did you get your butt out? 68 00:03:42,643 --> 00:03:44,403 "Why did you need to be naked?" 69 00:03:44,443 --> 00:03:49,203 And really, my...my view about this, my response to this is, 70 00:03:49,243 --> 00:03:51,843 what's it got to do with Jackie Collins? 71 00:03:51,883 --> 00:03:54,763 What's in your future, Paula? What do you want to do? 72 00:03:54,803 --> 00:03:56,203 In the near future? Uh-huh. 73 00:03:56,243 --> 00:03:59,003 Well, I'd like to do a cat food commercial and... 74 00:03:59,043 --> 00:04:00,963 LAUGHTER I'm serious. 75 00:04:01,003 --> 00:04:03,923 Paula, it was very nice to talk to you tonight. Thank you very much. 76 00:04:03,963 --> 00:04:05,923 Thanks a lot. 77 00:04:05,963 --> 00:04:10,283 You know, Paula Yates would be one of the first feminists 78 00:04:10,323 --> 00:04:15,683 to realise that going on television or standing up in the media 79 00:04:15,723 --> 00:04:19,803 and trying to talk about anything to do with women 80 00:04:19,843 --> 00:04:22,843 and supporting them in their lot goes down very badly. 81 00:04:22,883 --> 00:04:25,723 You've had what could be called a colourful career. 82 00:04:25,763 --> 00:04:29,403 I mean, with pop and lingerie and perfume and motherhood now. 83 00:04:29,443 --> 00:04:32,323 Motherhood's the thing, isn't it, for you? You've found your niche? 84 00:04:32,363 --> 00:04:35,843 Um, yeah, I think...I think that I like it very much 85 00:04:35,883 --> 00:04:38,363 and I think that one of the nice things about it is 86 00:04:38,403 --> 00:04:39,963 the more children you have, 87 00:04:40,003 --> 00:04:43,523 the more you realise how fantastic it can be at home. 88 00:04:43,563 --> 00:04:47,083 And so, with my new book, Terry. 89 00:04:47,123 --> 00:04:48,483 Oh. 90 00:04:48,523 --> 00:04:50,003 Not another one! 91 00:04:50,043 --> 00:04:53,043 I know. I was actually loathe to say it, 92 00:04:53,083 --> 00:04:56,443 but the new book, one of the things that primarily it's about is 93 00:04:56,483 --> 00:04:59,923 the fact that in the media nowadays, lots of people, they really plug 94 00:04:59,963 --> 00:05:03,003 how great it will be for women to be out there working, 95 00:05:03,043 --> 00:05:06,963 and it's very rarely said how great it can be at home. 96 00:05:07,003 --> 00:05:10,043 So this is from Paula Yates' book, The Fun Starts Here - 97 00:05:10,083 --> 00:05:12,683 a practical guide to the bliss of babies. 98 00:05:12,723 --> 00:05:16,243 "Many couples have found that their lovemaking difficulties arose 99 00:05:16,283 --> 00:05:18,563 "because they always made love once they went to bed. 100 00:05:18,603 --> 00:05:20,723 "And of course, as any new mother will tell you, 101 00:05:20,763 --> 00:05:22,843 "the minute she's in bed, she's unconscious. 102 00:05:22,883 --> 00:05:24,963 "Sometimes, merely changing the routine by either 103 00:05:25,003 --> 00:05:27,763 "going to bed earlier or making love in different places removes 104 00:05:27,803 --> 00:05:29,323 "the pressures of the bedroom. 105 00:05:29,363 --> 00:05:32,043 "Just talking to your partner about how you feel means that neither 106 00:05:32,083 --> 00:05:35,283 "of you will allow misconceptions to blow up out of all proportion. 107 00:05:35,323 --> 00:05:37,643 "Keep communication open at all times 108 00:05:37,683 --> 00:05:39,843 "and have sex on the kitchen table." 109 00:05:39,883 --> 00:05:44,763 I mean, I think, to me, that shows all the kind of contradictions 110 00:05:44,803 --> 00:05:48,203 and complexities of Paula Yates, because in that one paragraph, 111 00:05:48,243 --> 00:05:51,883 you can see that she, A, is kind of acknowledging that 112 00:05:51,923 --> 00:05:54,283 it's not all that sexy to be a new parent, 113 00:05:54,323 --> 00:05:57,243 B, you're knackered, you're absolutely exhausted, 114 00:05:57,283 --> 00:06:00,323 sex is the lowest, lowest thing on your list, 115 00:06:00,363 --> 00:06:02,723 but C, she's gotta put have sex on the kitchen table 116 00:06:02,763 --> 00:06:05,243 to give it that sort of Paula-esque flourish. 117 00:06:05,283 --> 00:06:08,603 But as with many parts of her life, you're not sure she really means it 118 00:06:08,643 --> 00:06:10,923 and you're not sure it's all that sincere 119 00:06:10,963 --> 00:06:13,243 and you're not sure she'd even think of taking her own, 120 00:06:13,283 --> 00:06:15,203 in inverted commas, advice. 121 00:06:15,243 --> 00:06:19,363 There are a thousand books put out like this a year now. 122 00:06:19,403 --> 00:06:23,363 You now, this is Paula talking about breastfeeding 123 00:06:23,403 --> 00:06:27,163 and your pelvic floor and getting your body back 124 00:06:27,203 --> 00:06:30,883 and trying to shag when you've just had a baby 125 00:06:30,923 --> 00:06:36,403 and trying to stay sexy and the monotony but also the joys 126 00:06:36,443 --> 00:06:40,363 of being in the house and is it nice to be a housewife? 127 00:06:40,403 --> 00:06:42,203 And, like, what does housewife mean? 128 00:06:42,243 --> 00:06:45,203 And you know, this...this is the bloody bread and butter 129 00:06:45,243 --> 00:06:49,763 of what every women's magazine is about now. You know? 130 00:06:51,003 --> 00:06:53,883 And she got so much crap for it. 131 00:06:53,923 --> 00:06:57,403 I've read in one of the papers today, the journalist was saying 132 00:06:57,443 --> 00:06:59,563 how she was ready to knock your head off. I know! 133 00:06:59,603 --> 00:07:02,403 Because she felt, you know, it was anti-feminist 134 00:07:02,443 --> 00:07:03,843 and all the rest of it. 135 00:07:03,883 --> 00:07:07,083 You've no time for, or at least, you're for... I don't know that... 136 00:07:07,123 --> 00:07:09,523 You're for women staying at home with...with the babies. 137 00:07:09,563 --> 00:07:11,883 I think that it's not at all anti-feminist and I think that 138 00:07:11,923 --> 00:07:14,723 the whole point of feminism was surely that instead of 139 00:07:14,763 --> 00:07:17,643 trying to have it all and juggling everything, you know, 140 00:07:17,683 --> 00:07:20,123 you go out to work, you have your time with the baby, 141 00:07:20,163 --> 00:07:22,083 and then you have to do all the washing-up 142 00:07:22,123 --> 00:07:24,963 because your husband won't do it, cos husbands don't. 143 00:07:25,003 --> 00:07:26,483 Well, it's true, isn't it? 144 00:07:26,523 --> 00:07:28,483 Everyone always pretends that there's new men. 145 00:07:28,523 --> 00:07:32,203 There are no new men. APPLAUSE 146 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:34,203 There's no... And I'm not being sexist. 147 00:07:34,243 --> 00:07:37,123 Most men, they don't do nappies, they don't wash bottoms. 148 00:07:37,163 --> 00:07:40,123 They don't wash their own bottom if they can avoid it. LAUGHTER 149 00:07:40,163 --> 00:07:42,403 You know, it's ridiculous. 150 00:07:42,443 --> 00:07:44,723 You'd see Paula, she'd have a basket in one hand and 151 00:07:44,763 --> 00:07:45,803 a baby on the other. 152 00:07:45,843 --> 00:07:48,123 And she was tiny. I don't know how she did it. 153 00:07:48,163 --> 00:07:49,483 Cos she was tiny and she'd... 154 00:07:49,523 --> 00:07:51,603 "Oh, give me your bag. No, I'm fine, I'm fine." 155 00:07:51,643 --> 00:07:53,003 Cos it would balance her out. 156 00:07:55,403 --> 00:07:58,003 Paula was a friend of mine and I was a make-up artist. 157 00:07:59,203 --> 00:08:06,003 We met 19...1992, '93 and stayed friends with her ever since. 158 00:08:06,043 --> 00:08:09,483 How was she different on camera? 159 00:08:09,523 --> 00:08:13,003 Or her persona, how was she different to...to in real life? 160 00:08:14,003 --> 00:08:16,843 She was quieter in real life and she was quite, 161 00:08:16,883 --> 00:08:20,003 you know, she loved being with the kids. She was a mum. 162 00:08:20,043 --> 00:08:23,443 When you read some of the books, it's all about the village life 163 00:08:23,483 --> 00:08:27,523 and, you know, baking cakes and that was her, like, you know, escape. 164 00:08:28,603 --> 00:08:30,523 Sounds like a really innocent time. 165 00:08:30,563 --> 00:08:32,123 It was. 166 00:08:32,163 --> 00:08:33,603 When does that start to change 167 00:08:33,643 --> 00:08:35,883 and how did you see that affecting Paula? 168 00:08:38,003 --> 00:08:39,723 When she got together with Michael. 169 00:08:39,763 --> 00:08:42,083 That's when everyone seemed to go for her. 170 00:08:42,123 --> 00:08:45,523 It was very much like she was the bad person. 171 00:08:45,563 --> 00:08:47,763 She'd destroyed her life. 172 00:08:47,803 --> 00:08:50,683 And then, you know, things happened. 173 00:09:17,203 --> 00:09:20,363 Detectives say they're baffled about the circumstances of the death 174 00:09:20,403 --> 00:09:22,563 of the lead singer of the group INXS. 175 00:09:22,603 --> 00:09:26,043 The rock star Michael Hutchence was found in a Sydney hotel room. 176 00:09:26,083 --> 00:09:29,163 There was a number of prescribed medications located at 177 00:09:29,203 --> 00:09:32,003 the scene and they were taken by the scientific police. 178 00:09:32,043 --> 00:09:34,043 Are we talking syringes or...? 179 00:09:34,083 --> 00:09:36,043 I'm talking about prescribed medication. 180 00:09:36,083 --> 00:09:40,003 I got a phone call about two in the morning. 181 00:09:41,483 --> 00:09:44,643 It was John Martin, who was the INXS tour manager. 182 00:09:46,043 --> 00:09:50,523 And he said he'd been trying to get hold of Paula, 183 00:09:50,563 --> 00:09:55,283 but no-one's answering the phone, and Michael's dead. 184 00:09:55,323 --> 00:09:59,243 And I went, "Oh, my, God. I need to get to Paula's." 185 00:09:59,283 --> 00:10:01,883 So I got to Paula's - I had a key. 186 00:10:01,923 --> 00:10:06,203 I let myself in and as I opened the door, Paula was on the steps. 187 00:10:09,123 --> 00:10:11,723 I said, "It's Michael." 188 00:10:11,763 --> 00:10:14,723 And she just said, "No, no, no." 189 00:10:14,763 --> 00:10:18,043 And literally punched me and said, "Please don't say that. 190 00:10:18,083 --> 00:10:19,763 "Don't say it, don't say it." 191 00:10:21,723 --> 00:10:23,443 I have to stop. 192 00:10:25,683 --> 00:10:28,523 London is just waking up to this tragic news 193 00:10:28,563 --> 00:10:31,003 and the reaction already is one of deep shock. 194 00:10:31,043 --> 00:10:34,683 At the couple's home in London, Ms Yates was said to be devastated. 195 00:10:37,403 --> 00:10:39,043 And by this time there was... 196 00:10:40,323 --> 00:10:43,003 I mean, the street was full of press. 197 00:10:45,003 --> 00:10:48,523 Anthony Burton, who's... Well, he's a solicitor and great friend, 198 00:10:48,563 --> 00:10:50,963 had gone out and given a statement. 199 00:10:52,443 --> 00:10:54,763 She's devastated. If there was anything further to say 200 00:10:54,803 --> 00:10:58,403 when we've learned more, then it will be said, 201 00:10:58,443 --> 00:10:59,603 but not at this stage. 202 00:10:59,643 --> 00:11:02,803 And I took the children to Bob's house. 203 00:11:02,843 --> 00:11:07,443 I would ask that you do not even take photographs 204 00:11:07,483 --> 00:11:10,483 of them getting into the car and going off. 205 00:11:27,323 --> 00:11:32,363 And I was driving down the King's Road back to the house 206 00:11:32,403 --> 00:11:34,603 and on the radio it said 207 00:11:34,643 --> 00:11:38,043 that Michael Hutchence had been found hanged. 208 00:11:40,363 --> 00:11:45,763 And I was... I...I stopped the car and I was like, 209 00:11:45,803 --> 00:11:48,403 "Oh, my, God. Oh, my, God." 210 00:11:48,443 --> 00:11:53,643 I...just presumed that it was a drugs overdose. 211 00:11:54,643 --> 00:11:58,003 No one had said anything to me about anything else. 212 00:11:58,043 --> 00:12:01,643 She was completely distraught and she said, 213 00:12:01,683 --> 00:12:04,683 "He wouldn't have left me. He wouldn't have left our baby." 214 00:12:08,523 --> 00:12:11,483 And it was then tabloid frenzy. 215 00:12:13,003 --> 00:12:16,603 Do me a favour, can you please go to the end of the road? Please. 216 00:12:16,643 --> 00:12:19,363 You know, she walked out of that house to go to the airport 217 00:12:19,403 --> 00:12:21,443 and it was like everybody was there. 218 00:12:21,483 --> 00:12:24,683 All wanting a story. All wanting an angle on something. 219 00:12:27,443 --> 00:12:32,803 You know, the press had decided that she didn't qualify 220 00:12:32,843 --> 00:12:35,603 being allowed any respect, really. 221 00:12:45,243 --> 00:12:48,523 What she had in her was just drained. 222 00:12:48,563 --> 00:12:50,923 You can only take so much. 223 00:12:50,963 --> 00:12:54,363 And I think, you know, look at what she took. 224 00:12:55,763 --> 00:12:58,203 That night, what a fucking night that was. 225 00:12:59,443 --> 00:13:03,643 The longest journey for Paula Yates began at her London home tonight. 226 00:13:03,683 --> 00:13:07,123 Grieving for Michael Hutchence and accompanied by their daughter, 227 00:13:07,163 --> 00:13:09,003 she headed for a flight to Australia. 228 00:13:13,203 --> 00:13:16,723 I mean, even on the plane, journalists, 229 00:13:16,763 --> 00:13:19,603 because they'd all booked the same flight, 230 00:13:19,643 --> 00:13:24,003 and even on the plane, they wanted a comment. 231 00:13:24,043 --> 00:13:26,723 You're like, "Really? Really?" 232 00:13:26,763 --> 00:13:29,483 The waiting press saw nothing of her at Sydney Airport. 233 00:13:29,523 --> 00:13:32,443 This the only glimpse as she arrived at the morgue. 234 00:13:32,483 --> 00:13:34,723 She'd wanted to see her partner's body. 235 00:14:04,563 --> 00:14:06,563 Michael's body was cremated. 236 00:14:06,603 --> 00:14:09,843 The ashes, we're being told that Paula Yates is taking those back 237 00:14:09,883 --> 00:14:13,563 to the UK with her and her 16-month-old daughter, Tiger Lily. 238 00:14:13,603 --> 00:14:16,243 They're reportedly flying home tomorrow. 239 00:14:21,603 --> 00:14:24,363 When we came back from Australia, after the funeral, 240 00:14:24,403 --> 00:14:26,363 there was a load of press outside the house. 241 00:14:27,763 --> 00:14:30,203 They said they were about to reveal a secret. 242 00:14:30,243 --> 00:14:32,083 Something about her mum and dad. 243 00:14:35,083 --> 00:14:39,643 The whole thing just seemed like when you really, really thought 244 00:14:39,683 --> 00:14:42,563 it couldn't get any worse, it absolutely got 245 00:14:42,603 --> 00:14:44,643 to the worst point possible. 246 00:14:53,123 --> 00:14:58,003 # It's a grand night for singing 247 00:14:58,043 --> 00:15:00,963 # The moon is flying high... # 248 00:15:02,323 --> 00:15:04,323 So, explain to me Jess Yates. 249 00:15:04,363 --> 00:15:09,323 Jess Yates was this kind of avuncular figure, 250 00:15:09,363 --> 00:15:14,483 like a kind of aging country priest or vicar 251 00:15:14,523 --> 00:15:18,123 who presented this programme called Stars on Sunday. 252 00:15:21,163 --> 00:15:25,283 He was completely light entertainment, brackets religious. 253 00:15:25,323 --> 00:15:27,163 Ha! If you can imagine that. 254 00:15:27,203 --> 00:15:29,843 So...so that was Jess Yates. 255 00:15:32,963 --> 00:15:36,363 You know, the romance of the sea is never very far away 256 00:15:36,403 --> 00:15:37,843 here in Llandudno. 257 00:15:37,883 --> 00:15:43,083 He was like this kind of religious father figure on TV 258 00:15:43,123 --> 00:15:45,443 and that was his image, basically. 259 00:15:45,483 --> 00:15:48,923 Paula, I think she always kind of gravitated towards her father 260 00:15:48,963 --> 00:15:51,603 cos her father always seemed to be the more solid figure. 261 00:15:55,443 --> 00:15:57,803 Paula Yates, your mother was... 262 00:15:57,843 --> 00:16:02,323 Yeah, my mother was very glamorous in that very sort of 1960s way 263 00:16:02,363 --> 00:16:05,683 and used to trot off to Paris to buy her underwear, 264 00:16:05,723 --> 00:16:08,363 which when you live in Snowdonia is fairly unusual. 265 00:16:08,403 --> 00:16:10,083 And your father, what was he like? 266 00:16:10,123 --> 00:16:13,563 Well, my father when I was very small was...a manic depressive 267 00:16:13,603 --> 00:16:16,363 so he had enormous mood swings all the time. 268 00:16:16,403 --> 00:16:19,203 Um, but he was also extremely funny. 269 00:16:19,243 --> 00:16:22,323 So it was a sort of odd combination between when he was low, 270 00:16:22,363 --> 00:16:25,363 he would be entirely silent, sometimes for months on end, 271 00:16:25,403 --> 00:16:29,563 and when he was up again, he, er, was this great raconteur. 272 00:16:29,603 --> 00:16:32,323 So what was your life like with him in the house as a child? 273 00:16:32,363 --> 00:16:33,883 What did he do? 274 00:16:33,923 --> 00:16:36,443 He...he had a Mighty Wurlitzer, you'll be glad to know. 275 00:16:36,483 --> 00:16:40,163 Um, which I think lots of people have suspected. 276 00:16:40,203 --> 00:16:44,243 And...and he played that a lot. I mean a lot at night. 277 00:16:53,843 --> 00:16:56,203 How did Paula find out about her dad? 278 00:16:56,243 --> 00:16:59,563 Well, when we came back after the funeral, 279 00:16:59,603 --> 00:17:03,523 there was a load of press outside the house and when I arrived, 280 00:17:03,563 --> 00:17:06,363 there was a Conservative MP who lived just down the road 281 00:17:06,403 --> 00:17:10,043 who'd been found shagging somebody on Hampstead Heath or something, 282 00:17:10,083 --> 00:17:11,683 I can't remember what it was, 283 00:17:11,723 --> 00:17:14,723 and so I thought that they were there for that story. 284 00:17:14,763 --> 00:17:18,323 And Paula wasn't in the house, so why were they outside? 285 00:17:18,363 --> 00:17:20,563 But, you know, they were always outside. 286 00:17:20,603 --> 00:17:23,643 So I went in and when they came out, they asked me 287 00:17:23,683 --> 00:17:26,763 where Paula was and was she coming back. 288 00:17:26,803 --> 00:17:29,803 And I said, "What's this about?" 289 00:17:29,843 --> 00:17:32,203 And they said they wanted to speak to her about 290 00:17:32,243 --> 00:17:34,963 the fact that Hughie Green might be her father. 291 00:17:35,003 --> 00:17:36,443 LAUGHTER 292 00:17:36,483 --> 00:17:38,203 What do you mean, "Ha-ha-ha"? 293 00:17:38,243 --> 00:17:42,163 Hughie Green was razzmatazz, a little bit in your face... 294 00:17:42,203 --> 00:17:46,163 Contestant number one, Carol Walters. 295 00:17:46,203 --> 00:17:50,083 ..little bit sort of lecherous, who always had girls, if I remember. 296 00:17:52,923 --> 00:17:55,723 So, I remember speaking to Paula and her saying, 297 00:17:55,763 --> 00:18:00,523 "Oh, my, God. What, you know, what are they going to make up next?" 298 00:18:00,563 --> 00:18:01,963 She said we're going to sue. 299 00:18:02,003 --> 00:18:05,523 So she said, "Please could you call my mother?" 300 00:18:05,563 --> 00:18:08,003 Because they weren't speaking. 301 00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:11,203 So I rang Helene and I asked her outright. I said, 302 00:18:11,243 --> 00:18:14,283 "Have you ever slept with Hughie Green?" 303 00:18:14,323 --> 00:18:18,683 And she said, "Absolutely not. I've never slept with Hughie. 304 00:18:18,723 --> 00:18:21,923 "This is an outrage. They shouldn't be allowed to say this." 305 00:18:21,963 --> 00:18:26,243 And I said, "OK. Thanks, that's great. That's all I wanted to hear." 306 00:18:26,283 --> 00:18:28,683 And I told Paula and she said, "Fine... 307 00:18:30,843 --> 00:18:34,403 "..we're going to sue. I told you Hughie wasn't my father. 308 00:18:34,443 --> 00:18:38,203 "Jess Yates is my father and he will always be my father." 309 00:18:41,323 --> 00:18:45,883 And obviously the DNA test came back and Hughie was her father. 310 00:18:48,683 --> 00:18:50,843 It's Hughie Green! That's who it is! 311 00:18:52,843 --> 00:18:57,283 And she was beyond upset about it. 312 00:18:57,323 --> 00:18:59,243 She loved her dad very much. 313 00:19:52,603 --> 00:19:55,523 It really was, I mean, I described it at the beginning of that 314 00:19:55,563 --> 00:19:58,523 as a blow on a bruise. Cos that's what it felt like to me. 315 00:19:58,563 --> 00:20:03,083 She'd lost Michael and shortly afterwards had this. 316 00:20:03,123 --> 00:20:08,043 It almost seemed like some unknown force was just making life 317 00:20:08,083 --> 00:20:11,643 as...as absolutely awful as possible for her. 318 00:20:12,643 --> 00:20:16,083 And I must admit that that was the first time, 319 00:20:16,123 --> 00:20:21,043 I think, where I genuinely began to worry a...a bit about her 320 00:20:21,083 --> 00:20:24,003 and how things might go for her because I just thought, 321 00:20:24,043 --> 00:20:25,643 "Where...where do you go from here?" 322 00:20:26,723 --> 00:20:28,043 Absolutely extraordinary. 323 00:20:28,083 --> 00:20:32,643 Yeah. It was...it was really beyond and 324 00:20:32,683 --> 00:20:38,603 I think life was pretty horrendous at that time and that was probably 325 00:20:38,643 --> 00:20:41,243 her lowest, lowest point, I would say. 326 00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:42,443 And then... 327 00:20:43,483 --> 00:20:45,843 ..you know, she started to take Prozac. 328 00:20:45,883 --> 00:20:48,123 She would take Valium. 329 00:20:48,163 --> 00:20:50,083 A lot of the time I felt... 330 00:20:52,923 --> 00:20:55,563 ..like she might never be the same again. 331 00:20:55,603 --> 00:20:57,563 I think she felt that too. 332 00:21:24,923 --> 00:21:27,323 I mean, it's so difficult, it's such a dark time, 333 00:21:27,363 --> 00:21:31,403 but is it gradually getting any easier at all? 334 00:22:06,923 --> 00:22:11,443 In a way, part of what this is about is that, particularly in that era, 335 00:22:11,483 --> 00:22:16,403 there wasn't room for people to say this is too much or you know, 336 00:22:16,443 --> 00:22:19,723 we certainly didn't know about the impact of the press 337 00:22:19,763 --> 00:22:21,483 on people's mental health. 338 00:22:21,523 --> 00:22:25,243 Oh, I think the press have a huge amount to answer for. 339 00:22:25,283 --> 00:22:29,803 I mean, the stuff that they wrote was, A, incredibly unkind 340 00:22:29,843 --> 00:22:31,963 and, B, mainly not true. 341 00:22:34,963 --> 00:22:38,203 Back in the '80s and the '90s, these columnists were 342 00:22:38,243 --> 00:22:42,763 the...the...the cornerstone of the newspaper. 343 00:22:42,803 --> 00:22:46,603 Anne Robinson, people like that, you know, I remember hearing that 344 00:22:46,643 --> 00:22:48,443 they were on six figure fees. 345 00:22:49,963 --> 00:22:53,363 What was it about Paula that meant that other women 346 00:22:53,403 --> 00:22:56,643 maybe criticised her? 347 00:22:56,683 --> 00:23:00,923 For a start, I think that, you know, Paula was sexy and gorgeous 348 00:23:00,963 --> 00:23:03,843 in a way that probably got women's backs up. 349 00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:08,283 Trying to bring women down a peg or two, it's what women often do. 350 00:23:09,443 --> 00:23:12,523 But then, she gave them endless material. 351 00:23:12,563 --> 00:23:15,123 You know, the thing also about being a columnist, 352 00:23:15,163 --> 00:23:17,683 and I have had columns like this, 353 00:23:17,723 --> 00:23:21,123 is that you desperately want it because the money's really good. 354 00:23:22,203 --> 00:23:23,683 Paula Yates is a gift. 355 00:23:23,723 --> 00:23:27,163 It's literally like going to the slot machine 356 00:23:27,203 --> 00:23:29,963 and putting your coin in and it coming out gold. 357 00:23:30,003 --> 00:23:32,923 Do you ever look back on any of your own writing? 358 00:23:32,963 --> 00:23:36,243 I remember reading those early columns that you would write 359 00:23:36,283 --> 00:23:40,643 and they were, you know... Yeah. ..great at that biting wit. Yeah. 360 00:23:40,683 --> 00:23:45,523 You know, what I wrote in my 20s and early 30s, 361 00:23:45,563 --> 00:23:51,043 I...I look back at a lot of it now and...and think... 362 00:23:52,803 --> 00:23:55,283 "It made people laugh, but at what expense?" 363 00:23:56,603 --> 00:23:57,603 I mean... 364 00:24:00,723 --> 00:24:04,843 This is harassment on a horribly emotional level. 365 00:24:06,243 --> 00:24:09,843 But it...it is interesting that people feel that it's OK 366 00:24:09,883 --> 00:24:15,243 to have a running commentary on someone else's life without 367 00:24:15,283 --> 00:24:21,403 actually thinking any deeper about their emotions or their feelings. 368 00:24:21,443 --> 00:24:24,603 Just for the sake of a little bit of gossip, a little bit of 369 00:24:24,643 --> 00:24:26,723 what can we talk about at the dinner party? 370 00:24:26,763 --> 00:24:28,723 Oh, did you see what Paula Yates did today? 371 00:24:28,763 --> 00:24:31,683 It's people's lives and it's just a load of bollocks. 372 00:24:33,563 --> 00:24:37,363 The problem is...is if somebody says it and they say it enough times 373 00:24:37,403 --> 00:24:40,003 and they write it down, it becomes true. 374 00:25:10,003 --> 00:25:13,603 I mean, if you make people's everyday life, 375 00:25:13,643 --> 00:25:19,843 just going to the shop, taking a kid to school hell, 376 00:25:19,883 --> 00:25:21,923 of course that's going to have an effect. 377 00:25:21,963 --> 00:25:23,883 because you don't want to leave the house. 378 00:25:23,923 --> 00:25:26,683 You're like, I just don't want to go out there and face that. 379 00:25:40,963 --> 00:25:43,323 Really? I didn't know it was this bad. 380 00:25:56,003 --> 00:25:58,963 You know, she used to ring me at two or three in the morning. 381 00:25:59,003 --> 00:26:02,083 She used to say to me, "Belinda, he...he did love me, didn't he?" 382 00:26:02,123 --> 00:26:04,123 And I'd be like, "Yes Paula, he did love you." 383 00:26:04,163 --> 00:26:07,203 And she said, "This is what keeps me up at night, do you know?" 384 00:26:07,243 --> 00:26:09,323 And it was really heartbreaking. 385 00:26:09,363 --> 00:26:15,963 Whatever people say about our snowflake generation, 386 00:26:16,003 --> 00:26:19,523 there's no way that somebody appearing on a red carpet 387 00:26:19,563 --> 00:26:22,843 in the same...in the way that Paula started in her worst times, 388 00:26:22,883 --> 00:26:26,923 would be laughed at, and jeered at and made into news. 389 00:26:26,963 --> 00:26:31,323 Whereas back then, her decline, it was treated with glee. 390 00:26:35,923 --> 00:26:40,203 Long before Michael Hutchence died, Paula Yates was already involved 391 00:26:40,243 --> 00:26:44,443 in a long custody battle with her ex-husband, Sir Bob Geldof. 392 00:26:46,163 --> 00:26:48,843 Today, confirmation she lost that fight. 393 00:26:48,883 --> 00:26:51,883 Her three children to Sir Bob will now live with their father 394 00:26:51,923 --> 00:26:53,323 for most of the year. 395 00:27:22,203 --> 00:27:24,203 Oh, we'll have to drink something else now. 396 00:27:24,243 --> 00:27:25,683 HE LAUGHS 397 00:27:25,723 --> 00:27:27,763 You haven't got another glass, have you? 398 00:27:29,323 --> 00:27:30,883 Shall I do that? 399 00:27:33,123 --> 00:27:34,723 Oh, I want it to be jolly. 400 00:27:34,763 --> 00:27:38,363 You're in the best mood I've ever encountered you, actually, Paula. 401 00:27:38,403 --> 00:27:40,763 Oh, yes, can we have a...a nice bottle of champagne? 402 00:27:40,803 --> 00:27:44,323 Oh, well, I think we should go for the Bollinger, shouldn't we? 403 00:27:44,363 --> 00:27:46,523 Two glasses. Lovely, thank you. 404 00:27:48,363 --> 00:27:50,523 Let's see if there's anything we haven't covered. 405 00:27:50,563 --> 00:27:53,323 I think we've talked about just virtually everything. 406 00:27:56,283 --> 00:27:59,563 Was she struggling with alcohol at this point? 407 00:27:59,603 --> 00:28:02,843 Well, we were all struggling with alcohol. 408 00:28:04,443 --> 00:28:08,003 You know, I never noticed it because I used to drink quite a lot anyway. 409 00:28:08,043 --> 00:28:11,123 I gave up six years ago, but I did used to drink quite a lot, 410 00:28:11,163 --> 00:28:13,843 to be honest, and it was part of being a journalist to drink, 411 00:28:13,883 --> 00:28:16,843 so I didn't really... I didn't really notice if someone would order 412 00:28:16,883 --> 00:28:19,523 a bottle of champagne. I couldn't care less. 413 00:28:19,563 --> 00:28:21,683 Order as many as you like, basically. 414 00:28:21,723 --> 00:28:23,163 Looks interesting. 415 00:28:23,203 --> 00:28:25,963 When you met her, did she drink? 416 00:28:26,003 --> 00:28:30,643 No, she never drank. She was a famous teetotal in those days. 417 00:28:30,683 --> 00:28:34,603 I mean, there's the advert she did with Oliver Reed... 418 00:28:34,643 --> 00:28:36,683 Masson Montreux vineyards. 419 00:28:36,723 --> 00:28:40,323 ..and she's having a glass of wine and he said, 420 00:28:40,363 --> 00:28:42,363 "Oh, I didn't think you drank." And she said, 421 00:28:42,403 --> 00:28:44,003 "This is... 422 00:28:44,043 --> 00:28:46,403 ..99.5% alcohol free. 423 00:28:47,403 --> 00:28:49,963 But yes, she was very famously teetotal. 424 00:28:58,123 --> 00:29:01,483 I suppose, you know, Michael Hutchence's death 425 00:29:01,523 --> 00:29:05,803 was so awful, and I think she really was struggling. 426 00:29:05,843 --> 00:29:09,803 Really, really struggling. Um, I think drink was taking her 427 00:29:09,843 --> 00:29:15,163 out into sort of spaces where she wouldn't normally have gone and, 428 00:29:15,203 --> 00:29:19,563 um, Belinda always said to me that her drinking had got a lot worse 429 00:29:19,603 --> 00:29:23,003 and actually it was...it was a kind of new phenomenon in Paula's life 430 00:29:23,043 --> 00:29:25,803 because she'd never been a drinker, not really. 431 00:29:25,843 --> 00:29:28,643 And I can't remember ever reading anything in the past 432 00:29:28,683 --> 00:29:29,843 about her drinking. 433 00:29:31,163 --> 00:29:34,363 So, yeah, I think probably there was quite a bit of drinking going on. 434 00:29:35,483 --> 00:29:37,483 "Traumatic years that have left her broken." 435 00:29:37,523 --> 00:29:40,003 Well, that's true and these guys didn't help. 436 00:29:43,763 --> 00:29:48,043 You know, people handle grief in different ways, so she would... 437 00:29:48,083 --> 00:29:51,083 She'd...she'd drink to forget. 438 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:54,403 She's grieving for the love of her life, so... 439 00:29:54,443 --> 00:29:58,203 And for the loss of her life and many other things 440 00:29:58,243 --> 00:30:00,323 that were going on. 441 00:30:05,643 --> 00:30:10,203 Do you see parallels in both of your hedonism 442 00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:11,523 and where that went? 443 00:30:12,683 --> 00:30:15,923 Em, we were...we were... 444 00:30:17,123 --> 00:30:21,563 Yeah, we were, I suppose, seeking glorious escape. 445 00:30:27,083 --> 00:30:30,883 I think that we both needed looking after, you know? 446 00:30:32,003 --> 00:30:35,283 She was very secretive about all of that stuff, you know, 447 00:30:35,323 --> 00:30:37,803 it wasn't something that she shared. 448 00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:41,923 And by shared I don't mean share the drugs, I just mean shared 449 00:30:41,963 --> 00:30:46,923 what she was actually doing cos, erm, I just thought it was 450 00:30:46,963 --> 00:30:48,963 recreational party drugs. 451 00:30:49,003 --> 00:30:54,203 Because she was dead opposed to...coke! 452 00:30:54,243 --> 00:30:57,963 Like, if I...if I was taking coke, I'd feel bad about 453 00:30:58,003 --> 00:31:00,523 taking coke because, in front of her, 454 00:31:00,563 --> 00:31:04,203 because she was just like, "Dickheads take coke," 455 00:31:04,243 --> 00:31:06,003 which is true. 456 00:31:06,043 --> 00:31:10,763 Erm, but, you know, she was secret squirrel. 457 00:31:14,803 --> 00:31:17,203 I mean, six months ago, you were...you were described as 458 00:31:17,243 --> 00:31:19,083 having had virtually agoraphobia. Mm. 459 00:31:19,123 --> 00:31:20,843 What actually happened? 460 00:31:52,763 --> 00:31:54,363 Keep moving through, please. 461 00:32:37,523 --> 00:32:38,923 You mean as in you and Bob? 462 00:32:44,523 --> 00:32:47,283 That...that was a... That was a happy Paula, you know. 463 00:32:47,323 --> 00:32:49,923 That was...that was more the Paula I...I would say 464 00:32:49,963 --> 00:32:51,443 that I was kind of used to. 465 00:32:52,443 --> 00:32:54,643 And part of the reason for that I think is 466 00:32:54,683 --> 00:32:57,523 because she was just such good company. 467 00:32:57,563 --> 00:32:59,443 You wanted to be around her, you know. 468 00:32:59,483 --> 00:33:01,803 When... I used to do the interviews and when I'd finished 469 00:33:01,843 --> 00:33:03,643 the interview I'd be sorry it was over. 470 00:33:03,683 --> 00:33:05,523 You know, I always was, always. 471 00:33:05,563 --> 00:33:08,803 Those...those interviews went on and on and on. 472 00:33:08,843 --> 00:33:10,163 You look really good. 473 00:33:10,203 --> 00:33:12,883 You look up and look like you're buzzing and everything, you know. 474 00:33:12,923 --> 00:33:15,963 You're back presenting and that. Yeah. You...you pleased about that? 475 00:33:16,003 --> 00:33:18,443 Erm, well it was a bit nerve-wracking being back at work. 476 00:33:18,483 --> 00:33:21,763 Why? Em, cos I hadn't worked for five years and I wasn't really, 477 00:33:21,803 --> 00:33:24,923 you know, in the frame of mind to go initially back. 478 00:33:24,963 --> 00:33:28,003 And then, I got asked to do this thing about boy bands. 479 00:33:28,043 --> 00:33:30,283 I think with the boy bands and that, compared to them 480 00:33:30,323 --> 00:33:31,763 and things like that. 481 00:33:31,803 --> 00:33:34,523 I don't think... I don't know cos I...I don't really look at bands 482 00:33:34,563 --> 00:33:37,283 particularly, now. I'm cured of bands. 483 00:33:37,323 --> 00:33:39,923 What...what...what you into now? What? Footballers. 484 00:33:39,963 --> 00:33:41,603 Don't get into footballers. LAUGHTER 485 00:33:41,643 --> 00:33:43,803 No, no, you get involved with footballers, man, 486 00:33:43,843 --> 00:33:45,723 you know, they tell you a whole lot of lies 487 00:33:45,763 --> 00:33:48,563 and in the morning you'd find that they just wanna leave. 488 00:33:48,603 --> 00:33:51,683 Really? Ah, maybe I might be telling you something you don't know. 489 00:33:51,723 --> 00:33:54,163 Well, I always thought they were just smooth-talking, 490 00:33:54,203 --> 00:33:56,443 poetry-loving guys with a big six-pack. 491 00:33:56,483 --> 00:33:57,803 Well, I'm a smooth-talking, 492 00:33:57,843 --> 00:34:00,083 poetry-loving guy. But I'm badder than that. 493 00:34:00,123 --> 00:34:02,683 You got a giant six pack, haven't you? No, I haven't. 494 00:34:45,243 --> 00:34:47,123 Mmm, that's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. 495 00:35:02,643 --> 00:35:05,123 Paula bought a house in Hastings by the sea. 496 00:35:05,163 --> 00:35:06,843 Really nice little house. 497 00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:11,883 And she loved that. 498 00:35:14,923 --> 00:35:16,963 I think she felt kind of safe there. 499 00:35:20,483 --> 00:35:22,403 And she started writing again. 500 00:35:24,003 --> 00:35:26,683 She was going to turn all the things that she'd experienced 501 00:35:26,723 --> 00:35:30,403 and all the things she'd learnt from Michael's death into a novel. 502 00:35:35,923 --> 00:35:37,283 Tell me about the writing, then. 503 00:36:05,723 --> 00:36:06,723 Who was this? 504 00:36:16,123 --> 00:36:17,843 HE LAUGHS 505 00:36:24,163 --> 00:36:25,523 Unbelievable. 506 00:36:25,563 --> 00:36:27,403 Oh, and you say it started in the mortuary. 507 00:36:33,883 --> 00:36:37,923 What's it like thinking back to that period now? 508 00:36:37,963 --> 00:36:42,123 Now looking at it, I can't believe how she actually dealt with it 509 00:36:42,163 --> 00:36:45,363 at the time and came through it. 510 00:36:45,403 --> 00:36:48,643 And she had... She'd really got herself... She loved going 511 00:36:48,683 --> 00:36:51,243 to Hastings and that was where I probably had some 512 00:36:51,283 --> 00:36:52,803 of the nicest times with her. 513 00:36:53,803 --> 00:36:56,243 Took Tiger on the beach, went and got fish and chips 514 00:36:56,283 --> 00:36:58,723 cos it's famous for its fish and chips, Hastings. 515 00:36:58,763 --> 00:37:01,523 Sat, chat...chatted, always chatted about Michael. 516 00:37:01,563 --> 00:37:03,763 She was going to do a new book. 517 00:37:05,403 --> 00:37:07,243 You know, she'd really got herself... 518 00:37:07,283 --> 00:37:08,923 She'd been clean for two years. 519 00:37:10,883 --> 00:37:13,083 So she really... She'd really got herself together. 520 00:37:17,363 --> 00:37:20,803 This was a little bolt-hole of some sort, was it? 521 00:37:26,723 --> 00:37:28,883 Did anyone ever find you there? 522 00:37:28,923 --> 00:37:29,923 Press weren't there? 523 00:37:43,443 --> 00:37:48,563 So we came back I think on a Tuesday at Charing Cross station 524 00:37:48,603 --> 00:37:53,443 and then, said goodbye to her and then the next time I saw her was... 525 00:37:55,163 --> 00:37:56,643 ..after she'd died. 526 00:38:11,203 --> 00:38:12,723 Well, what do you think? 527 00:38:12,763 --> 00:38:14,963 I mean, people keep saying to me, you know... 528 00:38:57,363 --> 00:39:00,483 This afternoon, the body of Paula Yates was removed from 529 00:39:00,523 --> 00:39:03,083 her home in Notting Hill, West London. 530 00:39:03,123 --> 00:39:06,363 A friend who called to see her this morning found her in bed. 531 00:39:06,403 --> 00:39:10,163 Scotland Yard said her death was being treated as suspicious. 532 00:39:10,203 --> 00:39:14,923 Police arrived at the scene and life was pronounced extinct at 11:15am. 533 00:39:14,963 --> 00:39:17,123 The body has been taken to Westminster mortuary 534 00:39:17,163 --> 00:39:19,843 and there will be a post-mortem examination and an inquest. 535 00:39:27,443 --> 00:39:29,283 Was it a shock when she died? 536 00:39:31,243 --> 00:39:32,563 Oh. 537 00:39:33,923 --> 00:39:35,363 Yeah, of course. 538 00:39:36,483 --> 00:39:39,123 Yeah, it was a major shock. Erm... 539 00:39:42,083 --> 00:39:43,843 Cos I'd seen her the night before. 540 00:39:45,523 --> 00:39:48,163 Yes, it was a shock, and it was definitely an accident. 541 00:39:48,203 --> 00:39:53,643 There's no way, no way on earth I could ever imagine her 542 00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:55,603 doing something like that. 543 00:39:55,643 --> 00:39:59,243 I'd been for a run and I came back and my phone just had 544 00:39:59,283 --> 00:40:00,563 a load of messages in it. 545 00:40:01,563 --> 00:40:03,123 "Have you heard about Paula?" 546 00:40:03,163 --> 00:40:05,163 I thought, "What's she done now?" 547 00:40:07,003 --> 00:40:09,923 She wanted to move on with her life 548 00:40:09,963 --> 00:40:15,043 and probably when she died is the best place I've seen her, 549 00:40:15,083 --> 00:40:18,203 ironically, for a very long time. 550 00:40:18,243 --> 00:40:24,563 And, you know, as the coroner said, had she been an habitual drug user, 551 00:40:24,603 --> 00:40:26,483 this would not have killed her. 552 00:40:26,523 --> 00:40:30,643 But she took illegal drugs for the first time in two years 553 00:40:30,683 --> 00:40:33,363 and your body says, "No, I don't want it." 554 00:40:33,403 --> 00:40:36,003 And...so she died. 555 00:40:38,123 --> 00:40:40,403 Yeah, it was a big shock. 556 00:40:40,443 --> 00:40:43,883 Her inquest heard in recent months she had been back on track, 557 00:40:43,923 --> 00:40:45,403 relaunching her career. 558 00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:48,083 One witness said she was fed up to be back in London 559 00:40:48,123 --> 00:40:50,363 but all said she had stopped taking drugs. 560 00:40:51,363 --> 00:40:54,203 And it was an intolerance to drugs that cost her her life. 561 00:40:54,243 --> 00:40:57,283 Paula Yates took some heroin, her body couldn't handle it 562 00:40:57,323 --> 00:40:58,443 and she died. 563 00:40:58,483 --> 00:41:01,643 The coroner said her behaviour was foolish and incautious, 564 00:41:01,683 --> 00:41:04,203 but he couldn't accept that she would take her life while 565 00:41:04,243 --> 00:41:06,043 her daughter was in the house. 566 00:41:06,083 --> 00:41:10,123 He recorded a verdict of death after non-dependent abuse of drugs. 567 00:41:18,883 --> 00:41:23,163 For the next five months, you're going to be able to see live music, 568 00:41:23,203 --> 00:41:26,323 interviews, my stomach getting bigger week by week. 569 00:41:26,363 --> 00:41:30,763 In fact things that have never before seen on a live TV show. 570 00:41:30,803 --> 00:41:37,483 She should be remembered as a vivacious trailblazer 571 00:41:37,523 --> 00:41:39,483 to a million little girls. 572 00:41:40,523 --> 00:41:45,323 That there is an exciting fabulous life out there and 573 00:41:45,363 --> 00:41:50,483 you should give precisely no shits what anyone thinks about you. 574 00:41:50,523 --> 00:41:54,883 With interviews I tend to...just ask what I want to know and 575 00:41:54,923 --> 00:41:57,243 I want to know what Cliff Richard does in his spare time 576 00:41:57,283 --> 00:42:00,683 just as much as I want to know what sort of a kisser Simon Le Bon is. 577 00:42:00,723 --> 00:42:03,803 Well, that was a good link, you see, from Steve to Duran Duran 578 00:42:03,843 --> 00:42:06,403 who are sitting here. I'll just move my leg. 579 00:42:06,443 --> 00:42:10,323 Oh, get off. And now, tell me a bit about your video project 580 00:42:10,363 --> 00:42:11,643 I've been hearing a lot about. 581 00:42:11,683 --> 00:42:13,203 Oh, we don't wanna talk about videos. 582 00:42:13,243 --> 00:42:15,483 We thought this was supposed to be full of trivia 583 00:42:15,523 --> 00:42:17,323 and trite and sexual innuendo, you know. 584 00:42:17,363 --> 00:42:19,763 I'm moving on to the trite sexual innuendo in a minute. 585 00:42:19,803 --> 00:42:22,243 She was such a flirt. She'd ask questions that 586 00:42:22,283 --> 00:42:25,243 you wouldn't be able to ask them questions today of these people 587 00:42:25,283 --> 00:42:28,283 because it would be stopped straight away. It wouldn't be aired. 588 00:42:28,323 --> 00:42:30,403 It took a great amount of prayer to get Sting 589 00:42:30,443 --> 00:42:32,203 into his trousers for this interview. 590 00:42:32,243 --> 00:42:34,483 He spent the last 15 minutes in his dressing room 591 00:42:34,523 --> 00:42:36,123 with a greased shoehorn. 592 00:42:36,163 --> 00:42:38,363 But now, before anymore girls faint, here is the man 593 00:42:38,403 --> 00:42:40,643 that Elvis Costello once said, "Should be told 594 00:42:40,683 --> 00:42:42,923 "to stop singing in that silly Jamaican accent." 595 00:42:42,963 --> 00:42:46,203 You know, she was fun, she was just... She was fun to be with. 596 00:42:46,243 --> 00:42:49,323 Journalist, photographer and fab girl about town, Paula Yates. 597 00:42:49,363 --> 00:42:53,043 I don't think of her death, really. I...I think of her as being alive. 598 00:42:53,083 --> 00:42:56,243 It's Paula... It's Paula because she was so alive. 599 00:42:57,203 --> 00:42:59,843 Oh, I'm always going to remember a fun aspect of her, 600 00:42:59,883 --> 00:43:02,083 this bundle of energy and frivolity. 601 00:43:03,403 --> 00:43:07,523 # You know how I feel... # 602 00:43:07,563 --> 00:43:10,483 I believe that she was some type of goddess. 603 00:43:10,523 --> 00:43:13,083 # You know how I feel... # 604 00:43:13,123 --> 00:43:18,763 She was very, very much about a woman being her own self. 605 00:43:18,803 --> 00:43:22,163 And she was bright enough and eloquent enough to do that. 606 00:43:22,203 --> 00:43:25,363 Because, I mean, women all looking in the mirror 607 00:43:25,403 --> 00:43:27,803 and inevitably think that they're fat and repellent. 608 00:43:27,843 --> 00:43:29,723 Whereas men look in the mirror and they think, 609 00:43:29,763 --> 00:43:32,163 "Hey, I'm pretty gorgeous." Really? Yeah. 610 00:43:32,203 --> 00:43:35,363 She was such a ground-breaking person in her day and, 611 00:43:35,403 --> 00:43:39,083 you know, brought such a joy to the screen... 612 00:43:39,123 --> 00:43:42,883 I was always involved with the sort of poetical, droopy types, 613 00:43:42,923 --> 00:43:45,203 sort of like Jeremy Irons without trousers. 614 00:43:45,243 --> 00:43:46,843 LAUGHTER 615 00:43:46,883 --> 00:43:50,843 Sadly I never actually came across Jeremy Irons without his trousers. 616 00:43:50,883 --> 00:43:53,003 But I tried hard. 617 00:43:53,043 --> 00:43:57,323 ..and paved the way for lots of other people in this day and age 618 00:43:57,363 --> 00:44:01,763 who, you know, wouldn't be able to do the kind of presenting 619 00:44:01,803 --> 00:44:05,163 that they do if Paula hadn't done it first. 620 00:44:05,203 --> 00:44:08,363 Now this is a fantastic moment for me because it is 621 00:44:08,403 --> 00:44:12,483 the first time ever that somebody has come three times on the bed. 622 00:44:13,683 --> 00:44:15,763 Now give me some marriage tips, big boy. 623 00:44:15,803 --> 00:44:17,643 All right. 624 00:44:17,683 --> 00:44:23,443 She was part of that movement that was the change in TV. 625 00:44:25,163 --> 00:44:26,643 Ding dong. 626 00:44:26,683 --> 00:44:27,883 So I've heard. 627 00:44:27,923 --> 00:44:32,043 She was...absolutely one of a kind. 628 00:44:33,043 --> 00:44:35,603 Few people realise but my links with the Mods started 629 00:44:35,643 --> 00:44:38,843 before I was even born when Pete Townshend asked my mother out. 630 00:44:38,883 --> 00:44:41,523 You know I could imagine her being, like, for instance a brilliant 631 00:44:41,563 --> 00:44:44,483 interviewer on Desert Island Discs, for instance. 632 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:47,403 # Oh, freedom...# 633 00:44:47,443 --> 00:44:50,443 No one could do... Could talk to people the way Paula did. 634 00:44:50,483 --> 00:44:53,163 # And I know how I feel...# 635 00:44:53,203 --> 00:44:56,203 She could be pretty much all things to all people. 636 00:44:58,043 --> 00:45:01,483 She could be wicked, rude, crude. 637 00:45:01,523 --> 00:45:04,683 She could be incredibly, incredibly intelligent. 638 00:45:04,723 --> 00:45:07,723 You know, you really did not know with her, I think, the person that 639 00:45:07,763 --> 00:45:10,283 you were going to get but you did know it was never 640 00:45:10,323 --> 00:45:11,723 going to be boring. 641 00:45:11,763 --> 00:45:15,683 # And I'm feeling good 642 00:45:15,723 --> 00:45:21,003 # And I'm feeling good. # 643 00:45:24,643 --> 00:45:27,443 If you could talk to her now, what would you say? 644 00:45:27,483 --> 00:45:29,243 Fancy going out for lunch? 645 00:45:29,283 --> 00:45:32,003 No, what would I say to her? What would I say to her? 646 00:45:32,043 --> 00:45:36,203 I don't know. I would just be very happy to see her face. 647 00:45:41,883 --> 00:45:45,403 Do you ever... Do you ever sort of look back and do you ever think, 648 00:45:45,443 --> 00:45:47,523 I wish I hadn't got involved in the rock world? 649 00:45:49,483 --> 00:45:51,843 No, I mean looking back when you were 17 or 18... 650 00:45:52,843 --> 00:45:54,523 ..was there an obvious other way? 651 00:46:00,803 --> 00:46:02,523 THEY LAUGH 652 00:46:06,763 --> 00:46:08,283 So it was always rock and roll? 653 00:46:11,803 --> 00:46:13,803 Subtitles by Red Bee Media