♪♪
- Ciara, what are your intentions
for this reunion?
- I mean, I guess we might as well discuss the details
before I put them in the ground
and cover 'em with dirt.
- Previously, on the "Summer House Reunion."
Why are you in a revenge dress?
- Yeah, it looks good.
[laughing] - Yep, looks pretty good.
[laughing]
- You look great.
- Do you want another hug, Carl?
- I'll always take a hug.
- So I'm not allowed to pursue something
that I feel strongly about?
- Are we morally bankrupt? No.
- Like, literally? No. - Got it.
- I've 100% lied to people here,
and I take full accountability for that.
- The problem is now
is that I feel like you lie about your life.
Like, you lie about who you are.
I think you're the most fraudulent person
sitting on this couch.
You live a different fucking life off-camera
than you do on-camera.
And you have a girlfriend.
Meija.
♪♪
- And did you know that he was dating this woman?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- You know now, or you knew then? - And you didn't care?
- We had a whole conversation about it.
- West, you're so fucking good.
You're good at pulling girls.
Do whatever you need to do to climb the ladder,
to clout chase,
to get to wherever you fucking need to go.
- And then you drop 'em. - Boom!
You're gonna do the same fucking thing to Amanda
when this is not working out,
because it's not going to.
- Or maybe they'll be together,
because I honestly think that the best like,
woman for West is, like,
someone who's not gonna check him on anything.
And that's totally Amanda.
- Oof. - Like, she's very mute.
She's gonna be that weak figure that he needs,
and he can always be the star in the relationship.
So I actually think, like, maybe it could work.
♪♪
- That's your wife. She's not my wife.
- I'm just sayin'...
♪♪
[waves crashing]
- He's definitely gonna do it to you, Amanda.
You and I have gotten so fucking close
over the last year.
And, like, I feel bamboozled in so many ways,
but I also still feel really protective
and, like, he's gonna fuckin' do it to you.
- But then like-- - He's going to do it to you.
- On that note, I asked you point blank,
what is your understanding
of his relationship with Meija?
- It's been public.
Who I've hooked up with every once in a while.
- West, you are a pathy. We believe nothing.
- You okay?
- Sorry. I'm just gonna be honest right now,
and I don't wanna take up a bunch of time.
- You're good. - Um...
- We're here all day. - Yeah.
- My dad was a very womanizing player,
and my mom had to deal with so much shit,
so that's why, like, I am hurting, West,
because I don't like that shit.
- Mm-hmm. - I grew up watching that firsthand,
and it destroyed my family.
My dad's a habitual liar.
He lies to everyone,
but then he puts on this persona,
like he's got everything together
and he makes people feel good.
And so, it's like,
I just am seeing a correlation.
And also, too,
like, the discussion we had at the table this summer
with-- when we talked about race,
that was like, a very serious thing.
- I get a lot of blowback that's, like, very racial,
obviously, being in this position,
like, I was the first Black person in this house.
And then dating publicly,
dating white guys publicly,
it's like a whole... contraption
that I don't think you guys even understand
or can even empathize with.
- And I don't like to see Ciara being treated
the way that she's being treated.
- Yeah, I'll apologize to you again.
I know today's probably not the right time,
but, like, moving forward,
whenever the right time is with you, if you--
If there's conversations to be had,
I would have them with you.
- It'll take time, but I'm open
to having a conversation at some point.
- Right. I appreciate that.
- Um, thank you for that conversation,
first of all, it was edifying,
uh, and necessary.
What led you to speak on it at that moment?
- I think it's just like, the compounding years
of like, being on this show and being one of a few.
And it's like,
a whole other part that I have to endure
and just, like, experience
that, like, my other castmates don't have to.
I just, like, hit the point where I was like,
I'm not gonna sugarcoat things anymore.
- What's the most important thing
you want viewers to understand?
- Um... there are a lot of racial dynamics
that happen in this group.
That's part of, like, having interracial relationships,
Interracial friendships.
Intercultural relationships and friendships.
If I'm having white friends in this day and age,
like, we're talking about race, how can we not?
Politically speaking, it's turmoil outside.
Like, I actually don't wanna be friends
if we're not talking about
the political climate of this world.
Because there's a whole other layer
that we experience it in.
So, yeah, the conversations are vital.
- West said at dinner that he sees you way more now.
- If I knew what I knew, then...
I, like, would have been a lot different.
And I just want you to know
I, like, see you way more than I did prior.
- Wow.
Full circle moment is what you're saying.
- Did you believe him then?
- Then? Perhaps.
- Do you believe him now? - No.
I think that like,
after watching the season back,
I think it's very clear that Amanda and West
were using buzzwords of like, I see you, I hear you,
to like, satiate maybe what I needed to hear...
and like-- but they didn't really see or hear me.
- Any response.
- Everything that I've said to you
over the summer, everything that I've felt,
everything that we've talked about
was truly how I felt in those moments.
I got caught up in my feelings
and I'm-- I-- Doesn't matter.
Like, this has hurt me a lot.
Like, for you-- - It really hasn't.
You've literally been out, you guys have been out,
you're functioning. You've been fine. - You haven't been with me.
- But like, also, at the same time, Amanda,
like, I think that that's insane
because you've literally been in the bed with me
for the past six fucking years.
And like, this is where we're at.
- Given how privy you've been
to what's gone on between the two of them
and his kind of inability to commit to Ciara,
what does make you think that,
that this situation is different?
- I mean that's conversations that West and I have had,
like, we've talked about that privately,
and like, what this would look like
and what this meant, which is the only reason
I feel like I'm sitting here next to him right now.
- And how did those conversations go?
- Yeah, I need some clarity on that.
What do you mean by that, Amanda?
I genuinely wanna know.
What were those conversations
that you and West had that led you guys here,
that led you from being one of Ciara's friends,
good friends, that you guys spent summers
after summers together,
telling each other your deepest secrets,
your wants, your plans for the future,
confiding in each other.
- I mean, just first of all the feelings,
the fact that it was based off friendship,
you know, I-- - I think ours was, too.
Interesting. - Okay.
- And I'm not saying that it--
- No, yeah, no, sorry. - ...wasn't.
I mean, I don't--
Some of these conversations are private
and like, not everything that I feel comfortable
sharing right now in front of, of everyone.
- I wanted to get to a point selfishly
where maybe I felt
I understood what was going on
because I was going to have to be honest
with Ciara, no matter what.
- Mm-hmm. - No matter what.
I felt embarrassed to have to say
I have feelings and have kissed West
and he's seeing someone else.
I felt embarrassed having to say that to Ciara.
- I mean, yeah, it's embarrassing.
[scoffs]
- I think I need to take a break for a second.
- Okay.
[crying softly]
- I just need a second.
- West, are you gonna go after her?
- You should go after your girl.
- I didn't know if the questions
were gonna come back to me, but...
- Can I like not be on camera for like five minutes?
- I'd like to think that we can create an environment
where we can talk,
but there's a lot of unanswered questions.
And so, if she keeps shutting down,
or feeling like she's getting interrupted,
I don't think we'll make any progress.
- Well, look, you roll in the mud,
you get dirty. Like, I don't know, like,
that's what's happened. - No one was interrupting her.
- She-- - But also, no, it's not fair.
- Do you know how many times I was in the fuckin' hot seat
where I had everyone on this couch coming at me
year after year after year after year after year...
- Never got up and left. - And I never fuckin' left.
- I know.
- You should go after your fuckin' girl.
- Not gonna-- We're not gonna both leave.
- Get up and go after her, West!
Be a fuckin' man.
- Just so you can tell me that we both fuckin' left
and bitch about that. - No! I think that--
- Ask the questions. - You know what,
if you wanna be a fuckin' man,
make the decision as a man and go after her.
- Right. Literally.
- I would go after her to make sure she's okay.
- Okay.
- Are you okay, Kyle?
- I just-- This is so fucking weird.
- It's very weird. - Yeah.
- I almost got up.
- I almost got up to go after her, too.
- I didn't almost get up to go after her.
I'm not gonna lie.
- It's just like, her comments just like,
really fucking got really deep.
- I know. I know. - It's really hard.
- This is ridiculous. - I almost got up.
- You fuck my ex.
But-- And then I scoff, and then you can't sit there.
- And by the way, you have every right to--
A scoff should not be enough.
But I think, she--
- I don't care. - I think that--
I think it's the comments from like, 30 minutes ago.
- Okay.
Well, she's historically had low self-esteem.
I didn't lie.
- Kyle, did Amanda ask you to like, chill things out?
- No.
Well, I think-- - He knows her.
- I think she's struggling. - He's reading her.
- West, what's going on with Amanda?
- She just took a beat.
- She's taking a beat? - Yeah. But we're good.
- I don't-- - Now I wanna get up.
Maybe we should all take a break.
I don't know.
- All right, we're gonna take a break.
Levi, thank you for joining us.
- Thank you.
- We'll be right back.
Thank you, Levi.
It was really nice to meet you. I hope to see you soon.
- Thank you. So nice meeting you as well.
- I'm like, struggling here.
- How goes it? - No, I just...
I'm just trying to--
I'm trying to get-- - Hang on, he can hear.
[clearing throat]
- Here's the thing.
I'm gonna just tell you guys while we're here,
the thing that I'm most focused on
is West's ease of lying. - Had a girlfriend this entire time.
- It's unreal.
- We know that he had a full blown
exclusive relationship since February of 2025.
- 2025.
[dramatic music drops]
- We actually have receipts.
I reached out to Meija
because the curiosity got to the best of me.
We went back and forth for a week.
Everything I started learning about West
made me question who he is.
- Mm-hmm. - And I was like,
Meija, with your permission,
I'd like to share these notes with Ciara
because I think the two of you should talk.
He knew she was gonna have this blowup.
Big, big breakup... - It's the only relationship that works.
- ...with the "bad guy". - 'Cause she can't commit
because she's still married to you.
- Yeah, she's- she's unavailable.
- Exactly. - So, technically,
that's perfect for him. - It's the perfect scenario.
♪♪
- People always ask me, like,
this is, like, all fake, right?
I'm just, like, clearly not fake.
Wish it were.
- My boys. - And, uh...
- It's okay. We lost one, but we're still strong.
- It's fuckin' crazy, man.
- Okay.
- Phew. Okay.
- How are my tits?
- Fucking fabulous. - Perfect.
- We are gonna bring Dara out now.
- Put it in the glass box.
[whistling]
- Hey, Dara. - Hey, guys! - Oh, my gosh! Dara!
- Lady in white! - Hi, gorgeous.
- Wow. - How you doin'?
- Have you seen her? - Good now! I'm better now!
- I don't think KJ's seen her yet.
- No, I haven't. - First look.
- He asked for it to be a surprise.
- Damn! - I had to oblige.
- Yeah.
- West, what's going on with Amanda?
- Coming soon. - Great.
- 10 Seconds.
five, four, three...
- Welcome back to the Summer House Season 10 Reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen.
Joining us onstage is Dara.
Hey, Dara. Thanks for joining us.
- Thanks for having me.
- You and KJ look sharp in your matching white.
- It was not an accident.
- Good.
You know, for a summer that was pretty chaotic,
the two of you have been really solid,
tonight included.
Congratulations. - Thank you.
- So how long has it-- you've been together
for like, 10 months? - Yeah.
I mean, not congruently, but we're hitting,
you know, that point where it feels like,
we're reflecting back at the starting point,
and it's crazy to imagine
how much we've gone through up until now.
And it's even crazier to know that, like,
this is the strongest relationship
I'll probably ever have.
So, it feels really nice.
- That's great. That's great.
Dara, you have a unique perspective here.
You've been pals with West.
You've seen him with other women.
You dated him.
What is your take on West and Amanda?
And what do you think's gonna happen?
- I mean, I think that...
I'm gonna be honest, West,
I don't see you suddenly waking up one day
and like, this, this is gonna be the relationship
that you stand up for and man up for.
Like, you like people to think of you
as a good guy... - Yeah.
- But you treat the women that give themselves to you
like they're expendable.
- Any response, West?
- No, I understand that.
And I- Yeah, I agree.
- Okay, I'm gonna skip through
these Amanda questions.
- Why isn't she coming back? Where is she?
This is a very long break. - She'll be back.
- I would have loved for her to hear
what Dara just said, if I'm being honest.
- Don't worry, I can repeat it.
- No, but this is a very long break.
Well, then go find her. - I-I--
How more awkward can it get?
- Probably a little bit more, but...
- Yeah, let's-let's push it. - Why not?
- Let's see. - Who's gonna go now?
West or Kyle? - Wait, come on.
- Well, West is not stepping up,
so her husband might as well.
- She's gonna come to the reunion
but not participate in the reunion? - Go on, husband.
- Oh, Christ. - Go get her.
Go get your wife. - That's so crazy.
- No one needs to go. She's gonna come back.
- Okay, thank God.
- Um, all right, well, while we wait for Amanda
to join us, I want to switch gears
and talk about three of our Summer House loverboys,
Ben, KJ, and Jesse, who had very clear intentions
coming into the summer, but somewhere along the way,
those plans took a few unexpected detours.
- Did you guys go out last night?
Gave it a crack? Yous a bit dusty, or you're all right?
- Oh, I love the way you talk.
- You're single. - Mm-hmm.
- Can he stop staring at me
with his crystal blue Australian eyes?
I'm like, "Uh-huh, keep talking in your Australian accent."
- I know, obviously-- I'm like, "Yeah."
- You were laid back last night, just chilling,
and girl here, girl here.
I couldn't even, like, talk to you
because you had, like, a tower of girls around you.
- Where'd your shirt go, bro? - It's inside.
- I literally, like, meet a girl
and then write a song about her the next week.
And then immediately send her the file.
- Do-- Jesse Solomon.
- Is that cringe? - Yes.
- Imagine this is, like, our engagement photos.
- Oh, wow.
- Lindsay, your flirting with Ben was bold
right out of the gate.
Were you surprised by how thrown off he seemed?
- You know, as good looking as Ben is,
he wasn't giving much back. - Yes, yes.
- You know? And I was really hoping for more.
And I didn't get it.
I was a publicist for the majority of my life.
And-- - You still doing it now?
- No. Former publicist,
current MILF. - Yeah.
- That's what I do. - Love it.
- Knowing now that Ben may have been thinking
about Sabrina at that time, does that make you think--
- It makes a whole lot more sense.
I feel better about myself. - It makes you feel better.
Right? Yes. - Thank you for asking.
- Yes.
[giggling]
What's the latest with Sabrina?
- Oh, we're the happiest we've ever been.
- Wow. What was your family's reaction
to Sabrina?
You brought her to Australia? - Yeah.
So when I bought my tickets to Australia,
um, the other week, I bought Sabrina a ticket,
as well. So...
- So I'm gonna meet his mom and dad!
- She's gonna come back, yeah. - Damn.
- What was really touching, actually--
so my relationship with my father
hasn't been good since- since way back when,
when I was a teenager.
Um, I hadn't hugged him ever, since then,
'cause he didn't talk to me, and our relationship's been
a bit broken.
And so when Sabrina's in the house,
she made an effort every day
to give dad a hug in the morning
and at night, as well, so right in front of me,
sometimes next to me, and then, like, one time,
a couple of weeks in,
he, like, touched my, um, shoulder.
And, uh,
and for the first time, uh, since I was 19,
I hugged him when we left. - Wow.
- And that was all 'cause Sabrina was making sure.
Um, yeah, so it was special. - That's awesome.
- Wow. - Oh, Ben!
- That's really sweet. - Ben, at the beach,
you opened up about how hard it is
to say "I love you," and that it stems
with those issues with your dad,
and you said there was an indiscretion
that caused conflict between the two of you.
What happened? Are you comfortable sharing?
- Yeah, um...
I really messed up.
The first girl that I was in love with in high school,
my dad came in and-- and caught us
in a single bed together, and he was like,
"Get out of the bed."
And so I went out there and apologized to him.
Just said, "Look, I'm really sorry.
"I understand what I've done."
And he's like, "I don't think I can ever talk to you again."
- Holy shit. - Wow.
- That's really horrible. - And he didn't. Yeah.
- You said your parents are born again Christians.
- Mm-hmm. - Uh, very conservative.
No sex before marriage.
When Sabrina visited,
were you two in separate bedrooms?
- That-that's always, uh, the case at our house.
So what was a really nice gesture,
um, was that dad actually let us stay in the same room
for the first time ever. - Wow.
- So I think he knows that--
I mean, I always said to mum that the next person,
um, that I bring home is gonna be--
gonna be really special. - Right.
- And I said to the boys that, like, the next person
I say "I love you" to will be-- will be the one,
because I don't take it lightly at all.
Um, and so that's-that's exactly where I stand today.
- Yeah.
- KJ, what did you think of the speed of Ben
and Sabrina's relationship knowing how quickly
you and Dara were going? - Oh, I have no place to judge.
[laughing]
[clearing throat]
- Hi, Amanda. - Hi, Andy.
- You okay? - Yeah.
[sighing]
- Um, I want to jump around a little bit
because Amanda has rejoined us.
Um, part of what you missed,
Dara was highlighting patterns in West's dating rituals.
Is there anything you wanted Amanda to hear
about what you said?
- I guess that I would just reiterate to you
that the biggest pattern in his life is that
it is the West show.
And it will always be the West show,
and the biggest concern of his consistently
is being well-liked and well-received.
And he doesn't prioritize treating the women
he is linked to romantically with the same respect
as he does anybody else in his life.
And I just foresee him for a very long time
wanting someone who will mold, and fold,
and fit into his life without excuse or complaint.
And it's up to you to decide
what's worth sacrificing for that kind of person.
♪♪
- It is the West show.
And it will always be the West show,
and the biggest concern of his consistently
is being well-liked and well-received.
And I just foresee him for a very long time
wanting someone who will mold, and fold,
and fit into his life without excuse or complaint.
Unfortunately, it's up to you to decide what's worth breaking,
sacrificing, and losing for that kind of person.
- It would be ironic if you went from the Kyle show
to the West show. - Yeah.
- Given that you have been finding your voice
over the last few years, it seems like,
watching you. - Yeah, yeah.
- The Kyle show wasn't that bad.
- What? - Um...
- The Kyle show wasn't that bad, was it?
- It had its moments. Um... - Yeah.
- I'm gonna get back to the guys.
Jesse, as for you, you started the summer
with clear intentions of becoming the new bed bug,
but when it came to your relationship goals
this season, they were much harder to make out,
pun intended.
Ariana from New Orleans said, "In confessional,
"you hinted at having real feelings for Ciara,
"but when confronted by Ciara, you froze and hid your feelings.
"How did you really feel about her?"
- Um...
I think I caught some feelings
and kind of misread the situation
and wish I handled it differently.
And I-I never said it was a joke,
but I went about it in my typical joking fashion.
- I'm hearing, "It's a joke."
Like, "Make out with her as a joke."
Like, if you want to hide behind a joke, okay.
- No, I wasn't making a joke. Like, if we made out,
it would be-- - It would just be a joke.
- Uh...
And, uh, yeah, I regret that.
- Was your song about being in love with your best friend
about Ciara?
- Uh, no.
- Tatiana from East LA wants to know
if you wrote that song about West and Amanda.
- No, I wrote this song a long time ago.
- Well, they can play it at their wedding now,
so that's perfect. [laughing]
- Okay.
- Ciara, after watching the summer back,
uh, do you understand why Jesse would surmise
that a make-out between the two of you
was in the works? - Yeah, totally.
I feel like the bed situation definitely was, like,
a boundary we-- - Blurred the lines?
- Blurred the lines. - It was the boob pillow.
- As he puts his face on my tits.
- That I think-- [laughing]
It's just a little pillow. - It's a big pillow.
- I mean, also he was trying to not get a boner.
- Please don't.
- I mean, there were a lot of blurred--
- I didn't think he did, but like...
But I don't know. I don't know.
I didn't feel anything. - Jesse, did you have a boner?
- You'd-you'd hope you would have see-- like, known.
- Like, I didn't-- [laughing]
- You're sick. - I'm like--
- Amanda, Amelia from D.C. said, "Lots of commentary
"about your flirtiness with people,
"so what did you think of Ciara and Jesse's flirtiness?
"Was it just part of their friendship?"
- Yeah, I think we all are weirdly flirtatious
and at times inappropriate with each other
in different ways.
We hype each other up.
Maybe people feel like lines are crossed, but, like,
for the most part, we're-- we are weird with each other.
- Jesse, what is your relationship status
these days? - Single.
- Do you want a commitment, or are you ready
for a commitment?
- I'm looking for something more serious, yeah.
- Really? - Yes, really.
- We all feel that way from young Jesse?
- I think he's getting closer to that.
- Yeah? - Yeah.
- I'm seeing, even just his music career,
how he's really jumped into that
and focused on his career, and, like, I think as a result,
being on the road,
probably being a little lonely,
wanting that connection.
- What is the latest with your singing career?
- I'm going on tour the day after tomorrow.
And... [applause]
Thank you, guys. - Proud of you, brother.
- Yeah, it's been, um, a lot of work,
and I'm really proud. - Hmm.
♪ Guess I'll start being me ♪
♪ Doing things that make me happy ♪
♪ Like I think I'm supposed to be ♪
♪ I guess I'll start ♪
♪ Falling in love ♪
♪ Writing a song making mistakes ♪
♪ And waking up ♪
- Keep singing, brother.
I feel like his music has taken
a little bit of a beating online.
- Yeah, you know, we put ourselves out there
by signing up for the show.
What's probably not as expected is when
you try to do something that you really care about,
and you pursue it with everything,
that people will also take that and kind of troll it
and drag it through the dirt.
And so, I just like, my heart goes out
because he's putting himself out there more than
99% of the people that I know.
- You're-you're emotional hearing this from--
from your pals. - Yeah, I mean,
I just appreciate the support.
I've been singing my whole life.
I went to music school, and I'm, like,
really excited that I'm able to do this.
I'm grateful that I'm able to do this.
So yeah, it just feels good that it's actually, like,
starting to work a little bit.
And so, your guys' support has always really meant a lot.
- We got to see one of his performance--
well, his first big performance in Brooklyn
in-- was it September?
And, um, I-I literally was, like, standing
next to his parents with, like, the biggest grin
because I was just so proud.
- Oh, that's great.
Well, after years of being locked in a downhill race
to the bottom,
Carl and Lindsay cautiously slid
into a more peaceful dynamic this season,
and at an apres-ski party of all places,
the iciness between these two former flames
thawed into something soft?
[laughing]
- I thought that you would have come to me first
and said, "I'm honestly having, like, second thoughts.
"I think we need to postpone our wedding."
- I just didn't handle any of that situation well at all.
That's the last person I should have ever been like that to.
- Carl, how was the summer of Carl?
Did you feel in the mix?
- I was in the mix.
I made new friends, some friendships shifted.
I got closer to some people.
Um, I had a really, really good time,
and I just felt like I was finally comfortable
in my own skin.
It just felt really good to be me.
- Opening Soft Bar is an incredible accomplishment,
a huge step for you personally.
Congratulations. - Thank you.
- It's been open seven months, right?
- Seven months, yeah. [applause]
- How is business? - It's been good.
To be honest, like, we've had ups and downs for sure.
Jesse's aware of some ups and downs
as an investor of ours.
You know, it's not easy running a brick and mortar business,
as Lindsay, you know, has said,
but the thing is, like,
I have a really good team of people.
Uh, it's not all on me.
But I'm proud that we got our doors open.
It's working. We are making money.
The last month we've been profitable.
Um, tons of events.
Everybody here has pretty much come through
and supported.
- Who here has visited Soft Bar since it opened?
Pretty much everybody? - Pretty much. Yeah, everybody.
- I have to assume that Lindsay's presence
was, uh, meaningful.
Did you feel like you had something to prove to her?
- Yeah, I think deep down.
You know, I know she always-- like, even before we dated,
Lindsay was always, I think, a champion
of wanting me to do well in my career and be happy.
I-- her walking in the door that day, like,
meant the world to me.
- Congratulations. - Wel-welcome.
- I brought you a gift. If you need a hug...
- Oh, he should live up there.
Oh, that's so cute. It fits right in.
- I love it.
- Is the teddy bear still on the shelf?
- The teddy bear's upstairs in the office.
- Aaw!
- I really appreciate you showing up.
Um, it was just cool to have you there
because I-I care about you, and I always will.
And having her show up for something like that,
given everything that's gone on,
and my behavior to her, and how things have unfolded,
it just shows who-- you know, who Lindsay is
and her character, and, it's, uh--
it was really cool.
So, thank you.
- Yeah, thank you for saying that. Yeah.
- Are you proud of him?
- Watching this season-- because I wasn't there
all the time, to see it in person.
- Right. - So I do watch it,
as a viewer, sometimes, and, like,
you seem more in your skin.
You seem more confident, and, like, that is
such a beautiful thing to see.
Like, even, like, knowing you
for as long as I've known you, like, I do think
that you are finally the person you are
supposed to be and always wanted to be.
And like, that-that's a beautiful thing to see.
So, yes, that's what I'm proud of.
- Thank you.
- Jesse, uh, Yasmin from Palm Springs said,
"You crashed and burned
finding a sugar daddy for Lindsay.
Your first pick was a friend of Carl's.
- How are you, brother?
- Who invited you?
- Okay.
- Well, you should have led with that, sweetheart.
- Have you found any other good options
for her since then,
or have none been good enough?
- We did go out on the town one afternoon,
searching, but, uh, yeah,
no-no good options there either.
- So how's the search going?
- Um, terrible. - Terrible.
Are you dating and will we see more of your dating life
on "In the City"?
- You will definitely see it on "In the City".
- Oh, boy. - Can't wait for that.
- Oh, boy. - Cleo from Agoura Hills, California said,
"The recent ad about Carl being a mess was epic.
You went to Carl's apartment to film it?
Were you dragged there? How did it even happen?"
[laughter] Really?
- Um, it happened very quickly.
Kyle did a very long Man on the Street interview,
and that was the big takeaway from that interview.
- It's just a lot to take in, man.
Like, this-- it's not just me, Amanda, West.
Yeah, it's like our whole friend group.
I mean, Carl's a mess.
- So I was just like, "Hey, you know what?
Like, let's make light.
Let's bring a light-hearted energy
to a very seemingly dark situation."
- I'm curious, Kyle and Ciara and Amanda and West,
how did you feel about Carl and Lindsay
monetizing your situation?
- I would have never done that to them
during their breakup.
And it did hurt a little bit.
♪♪
- Please! Please! Please...
- How did you feel about Carl and Lindsay
monetizing your situation?
- I would have never done that to them
during their breakup.
And it did hurt a little bit.
- Please! Please! Please...
- But I can't help what Kyle says on the streets.
- Amanda, I-I-I--
- He's also on his tippies making out with
a nice housewife. - But you said you were
making light of a dark situation. - I wasn't on my tippies.
It was deceptive.
- Well, either way, it's like-- - It's the baggy pants.
- She would never-- You would never monetize something,
but you would fuck your friend's ex.
Like, your-your bar is...
We don't know where your bar is.
- Damn. - What was your reaction to the ad?
- I was like, I don't really give a shit,
to be honest. - Kyle?
- I think without seeing it, you're like,
ugh, it's kind of cringe.
And then you watch it, and I thought it was epic,
if I can be honest. [chuckling]
- Also, we've been here for 10 years.
I'm sorry, I can do whatever the fuck I want.
Carl, what was-- - I've been here just as long.
But.. - Okay.
Well, I'm not fucking my friend's ex.
And-and also, like, first of all,
I was heavily at that time
in touch with Ciara and Kyle.
Like, every single day.
You know, and just trying to be there
tremendously as a friend to both of them
every single day.
So I was just--
I was in it with them. - Yeah.
- Like, and I just almost felt like,
okay, well, whatever.
- And Carl's leaving me voicemails in tears,
so I felt the love. - Right.
- It-it-- understand where-wherever the question's coming from.
- Like, as long as they were good,
like, I didn't-- - Yeah, no.
- Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.
- I think it was just in the back of my head,
I-I didn't wanna disrespect Ciara or-or Kyle--
- No, I didn't feel that. - Yeah.
- After everything they've been dealing with.
- Yeah.
- Carl, what was it like being
back on the couch with Lindsay?
- It was incredible, honestly.
[chuckling] Because we have--
I really believe Lindsay and I have,
like, incredible chemistry as friends.
I felt a-a really nice bond between us
that I've been wanting.
- Uh, you had to unblock Carl in order to post the ad.
- I did. - Did you reblock him,
or is he still unblocked? - He's still unblocked.
- Okay, that's good. - I don't follow him.
[chuckles] - I was going to ask that.
- Well, as Carl has pointed out many times,
he was more than happy to invest
in Loverboy back in the day.
But as this season went on, Carl was failing to see
a return on investment
in his friendship with Kyle.
This dynamic led to an explosive crash
between these two longtime friends
at Lindsay's second annual Freedom Dinner.
- I'm fucking losing my mind.
- And here you are making our problems again
the whole group's problem.
- Oh, fuck you.
- Hey, don't say that.
- Fuck everybody! - Just chill out.
- You motherfucker. [gasps]
- Kyle. - Kyle.
- I forgot Carl's more fragile than a fucking china doll.
- What the fuck is wrong with you, Kyle?
- You could've handled that so differently.
- Oh, I'm the bad guy?
- What in the actual fuck just happened?
- Carl, fans have always seen your friendship with Kyle
as the backbone of the house.
But you told Ciara you started to feel
that foundation cracking
even before the summer started.
- Can I-- I mean-- - Yeah.
- I just want to say that
it-it-it pained me so much
to-to-to watch it back,
just to see how upset you were
that I wasn't supporting you in the way that you'd hoped.
And the-the reality was
I just was not in a place to give
as much as you needed in our friendship.
And I hope you understand now
better than-- - Absolutely.
- ...you know, back in real time.
- Kyle, you've made comments about being
at the breaking point for years.
This summer was different.
You were as underwater as you've been
in your marriage and in your company, right?
- Yeah.
- Yeah, I told Kyle this morning I was--
I apologize because I feel like
I really misunderstood him.
And I feel like I was so caught up
in my friendship with Amanda
that I wasn't interested in his s-side at times.
And, like, that wasn't fair to him either.
And like, there's always obviously
two sides to the story.
Um, yeah, and I think that
I could have been a better friend to him.
- And she's not saying, like, oh, Kyle was right.
Like, I was not right.
- No, I never said he was right.
- But-but it all, you know--
- Especially not the way he explodes.
- Yeah. - And, like, the way he talks to people.
- I'm-I'm curious, Amanda,
what was your reaction to their fight?
- I mean, I hated to see it.
It's-- I've seen Kyle react in that way
and sling mud and say things that he doesn't mean.
And in the heat of the moment,
he likes to hit people where it hurts.
And it bummed me out that he was doing that
to someone that's been there for him the whole summer.
But when Kyle gets upset, he sees red.
And he doesn't see who he's yelling at.
He just yells.
- At the Freedom Dinner,
West, when Kyle started to get heated,
you physically moved your seat
from one end of the table right next to Amanda.
- This is your family,
and you're not making decisions together.
- Can I just say--? - No, I feel I'm under attack.
This is how I felt all summer long.
Fuck you.
- Don't say that.
- If you wanna say fuck you, say it to me.
- Where is this coming from then?
- I'm not even chiming into the conversation.
- It's not her, she-- - Talk to Lindsay.
Don't look at Amanda. You're fine.
- What was going through your head at that moment?
- Um, I think in that moment,
Kyle's anger was towards Ciara and Lindsay
because they were the ones kinda
grilling him and riling him up.
But I kept watching him
take his anger out on Amanda.
And I wanted Amanda to know I had her back
when, like, I thought Kyle was being...
a dickhead.
♪♪
- I wanted Amanda to know I had her back
when, like, I thought Kyle was being...
a dickhead.
♪♪
- So a-a couple things, just in terms of, like,
my behavior at the dinner table.
I take full accountability.
Like, I don't care how low I am
and how much is going wrong in my life,
I-I-I'm embarrassed
by my poor reaction
and-and letting myself spiral.
And, you know, I think--
I-I think that, like, I was hurt
and, like, hurt people hurt people.
And I said, "Eff you," because I felt like
I was getting shot from all angles.
And Amanda was silent.
And I kind of felt like she was just letting
everybody do her dirty work.
But no one actually knows the truth,
and no one-- - Mmm...
- They-they just didn't have the right information.
- Were you mad at Lindsay,
who started it? - Yeah, so--
- I mean, it was-- - I was definitely instigating,
but it wasn't-- - But you're going off of, like, what you--
- It was coming from a place of,
honestly, protecting Amanda.
- I don't think I was aware-- - And I'm sorry for instigating it.
I just was trying to understand.
- Amanda, uh, Maureen from LA said,
"In the past, the men of the house
always seemed to give Kyle a pass
when he's been nasty." - Yeah.
- "We saw West really stand up for you
after Kyle said, 'Fuck you.'
Was that the first time you felt like
a man in the house respected you?"
- That's-- Yeah, I felt like that our friendship was--
It was outside of just castmates.
Like, it felt like this--
someone, like, actually cared
and saw me and saw this,
and it was nice to have a guy stand up to Kyle.
I've had my friends do it, the girls in the house.
For so long, I've tried to do it.
And it just felt different that there was
a guy trying to talk to him, man-to-man.
- A guy that's never been in a relationship
his entire adult life.
- But I-- but that doesn't mean that he can't--
- That doesn't change not recognizing that
saying, "Fuck you," to your wife is bad.
- Right, but-- okay. - And-and helping you
try to apologize to me-- - It's not that great.
- I'm just saying. - ...By saying, don't say, "But," after.
- I-I have a lot of people weighing in
on my marriage that can't relate.
- We got a lot of comments about the Cartier watch,
Kyle, that you gifted Amanda
on your birthday. - Yes.
[gasps]
- Okay, this is really pretty.
Wait, I really like it.
- Yes, Kyle!
- Done well. - Yes, Kyle!
Fuck yeah! Fuck, yeah, Kyle!
[cheers]
- West, we got a lot of comments
about you comparing Kyle to "The Wolf of Wall Street".
- If I see someone give a fucking nice gift
to fucking someone,
it's because they're probably fucking shitty
in every other way possible.
Like in "Wolf of Wall Street," when he starts
fucking banging hookers every day
is when he buys her a fucking yacht.
Gifts are bad.
- Walk me through that.
Were you comparing Kyle's gift
to something that came from a place of guilt?
- No, I was just--
I was fired up in that confessional.
And that was--
Kyle gave her the watch and then called her
a dumb fucking bitch the day after.
- I made a-a dramatic metaphor,
which, I-I-- watching it back
was much more harsh than I thought.
- It was fucked up, West.
- Yeah, it was hardcore.
- That was like the one highlight of my summer
and you kind of took that from me.
I enjoyed giving that to her,
even if our marriage didn't work out.
- I was happy in the moment for you as well.
I was disappointed that you cussed her out
immediately after that watch.
And I took it too far in the confessional.
I am very sorry. - I-- Look, I-I--
- And the metaphor, I was trying to be funny.
And it was a bad metaphor because it was about
something that you weren't doing.
And that's my fault.
- Were you trying to make me look extra bad
because you'd already started hooking up with Amanda?
- Don't ask me if I'm making you look extra bad
when you said, "You dumb fucking bitch," to Amanda.
This isn't like--
I said something that I'm taking back.
It was too far. I apologize.
But, like, let's not make it, like, the confessional.
- Kyle, what was your reaction to watching the show
and seeing who criticized your treatment of Amanda?
Were you surprised that people weren't saying
more to your face overall?
[sighs] - I mean...
I-I think there were plenty of people
talking to me and-and criticizing me.
I think it's just-- It felt--
I-- uh, I--
You-you weren't the only person there
when I utter my-- under my breath.
You guys made it sound like I'm this,
like this, like, abusive husband.
I said under my breath, "Eff you,"
after I felt like I got the Eff you.
And-- - You can't defend it.
- I'm-I'm not trying to defend it.
- You were in the bathroom alone with her.
- I'm not trying to defend it. I've apologized for it.
And I'll apologize again. - Okay.
- I'm embarrassed by my behavior.
But like my-- no, my point is-- - But that's not the first time
you've ever spoke to me that way.
- West felt the need to insert him in--
into the convers-- insert himself into the--
- That was the first time you spoke to me that way
in front of other people. - She was crying.
- Amanda, every time we've been
in a-in a-- in a fight at home,
you-- it was not a one way street, okay?
- There's a lot of times where it was.
- For once, someone besides Ciara needed to say, like,
"That was inappropriate. Go say sorry."
- Okay. - It wasn't even, like, a fight.
I just said go apologize.
- So, Kyle, uh, we're seeing
how things played out between you two,
uh, this past fall on "In the City",
but I wanna rewind even further.
- Mm-hmm.
- Uh, what was it about the start of the summer
that felt different
from your previous nine together?
- I mean, we weren't in a good place.
Um, that's no lie.
I think what really just threw me for a loop
was, like, night one of filming,
you know, we s-sit down for dinner
and, I mean, Amanda knows music's
a big part of my life.
She knows that despite my not jumping up for joy
with her wanting to s-start a swimsuit line,
she knew I would be there for her
and help her, which I did.
And so for her to say I started DJing to spite her
really hit me where it hurts.
- Kyle, I wanna know about your DJ career.
- Oh, God.
- I'll tell you when it started.
- In the womb.
- I wanted to start my own business.
He got so mad about it that he decided
that he wanted to be a DJ to spite me,
and then he became a DJ. - That is an amazing summary of events.
- Tell me where I went wrong.
- I'm like, you know that's not true.
And-and that was how... the summer started.
Like, you set the tone.
And I was like, whoa. - I mean, the tone was set
when you slept at a f-fan's apartment.
- There was a night...
where he went out with his brother.
His brother went home.
Kyle fell asleep at some, like, fan's apartment
that-that was having a house party.
- What?
- And came home at, like, 6:30 in the morning.
- And I went into the summer
frustrated with you.
- How soon before was that incident?
How soon before the summer? - That was February.
- It was-it was February. - It was February.
And I didn't sleep there, okay?
I was there 'til very, very late. - Had you just started--
Had you just found out about it?
- He-he fell asleep.
- I was sitting on a couch...
'til like 5:00-something in the morning.
There was probably 15 fans there.
It was an after party for a "Watch What Crappens" show.
- He came-he came home at 7:00 in the morning
and I didn't know where he was
and hadn't heard from him.
So as-- when your husband does that to you,
it sticks with you.
I wasn't in the best place going into the summer.
I was frustrated.
- Was the sleeping at the fan place,
was that a turning point for you?
- That was a big one, where it was like,
how are we still here where you're staying out
to the point where you're falling asleep
at pla-- people's homes
and then waking up at random hours to come home.
- Okay, again, I did not fall asleep.
This was an after party.
- You fell asleep. - I said that I fell asleep
because I was pretty much zoned out on a couch.
- Okay, well, that's what you told me.
- But let me just make sure that's what's clear.
Most nights where I go out and have a-have a bender,
it's when you were supposed to be with me, and you bow out.
For years, our entire marriage,
you want this, you want that.
Like, "I don't wanna go out. I-I wanna move to the suburbs.
I want..." Everything you want is--
Or told me you wanted, now is a lie.
- N-Nothing has changed.
- Amanda, you've been going out 'til 4:00 in the morning,
twice a week, every-- - I'm single!
It's a different world. - Well, it was--
it was more about-- I think it was--
I think what Kyle's trying to say--
- I'm also-- - It was more about the fact
that your biggest gripe with him for 10 years
has been that he-- - Never been going--
- He goes out too late. - Too late.
- He drinks too much. - And he drinks too much.
- And he sleeps at fans' houses. - Exactly.
But it's never been "He goes out."
- He-he-- and I understand. I-I know.
But it's the fact that, like, now you're doing that...
- Uh, 'cause I'm single. I'm not married to someone
that I have to go home to. - Well no--
- But you're also dating someone who also goes out.
- I don't think that-- Well, that's what
I'm interested in. - But you also chose the guy
who's, like, Kyle 2.0, but also not.
- But you-- that's-- - Like, Kyle, younger,
on steroids. - Do you worry, though, that--
I mean West is someone who's a Good Time Charlie
who likes to go out. [laughing]
And that was your thing with Kyle,
that he was out every night. - It's like the hypocrisy
is absurd. - It wasn't that he was out
every night. It was the--
That he would come home blacked out
and there'd be rumors about him all the time.
- But I thought you hate going out.
I thought you hate... - No-- uh, yeah,
I hated going out with Kyle. - Yeah!
- Oh. Damn. - And I've made that very clear.
And you can watch all the seasons
where I say that. - I'm sorry.
- So-So, when you guys went out two weeks ago,
and you went to bar hopping across all of New York
and whatever... - Hold on, hold on.
- So, I-- - Kyle, what's going on?
- No, I said I hated going out with him
because he would get so drunk and we'd get in fights.
- Give me a break!
This kid parties twice as hard as I do.
- Okay, well, that's not what I've experienced with him.
- And I say "kid" 'cause you are the most immature,
fraudulent phony I've ever met. - Okay.
Kyle-- - So shut the fuck up!
♪♪
- But I thought you hate going out?
I thought you hate-- - No-- uh, yeah.
I hated going out with Kyle.
- Give me a break!
This kid parties twice as hard as I do.
- Okay, well, that's not what I've experienced with him.
- And I say "kid" 'cause you are the most immature,
fraudulent phony I've ever met. - Okay.
Kyle-- - So shut the fuck up!
- Kyle...
- I thought I knew you, man.
I've had an outpouring of people tell me, uh,
"Yeah, that guy isn't who he says he is."
- Wha-- In what way? - And that's the thing.
I've been going back and forth between feeling concerned
and feeling betrayed by both them.
And I will say, like, 'cause there's a lot of
conspiracy theories thinking that we had split,
and we held it together for cameras.
We split the day we put the statement out.
Quite frankly, we never even had a conversation about,
like, okay, "We-We separated
to create the space to try to date each other again.
Failed miserably."
The only conversation we had about, like,
are we officially ending things
was when we wrote the statement.
I, like, sent it to my mom 'cause she's an English teacher.
She's like, "Wait, are you--
Like, this is, like, this is the end."
- Right. - Like, t-this reads--
And I'm like, "Well, yeah, I guess that's the conclusion."
It's like -- You were like, "Yeah, we gotta go.
We gotta put it out today. We gotta put it out today."
- No, I'll tell you exactly why.
I'll tell you. - But it was like--
I was like, the day we decided
what we were gonna say was the day we--
- No, I had made up my mind before that.
- And I didn't even have a chance--
Yeah, well, Amanda, I didn't have a chance
to tell my family. - Okay.
- We-- you were like, "We gotta push send
within the hour." I'm like...
- But I made up my mind about our separation
on New Year's Day.
And you know exactly what happened then.
- Well, having watched the footage from the summer,
it was very clear you --
You went into the summer with zero intention
t-to continue trying and making an effort.
- I made up my mind.
The nail in the coffin was New Year's Day for me.
And that's when I realized-- - Okay, well,
there's a lot of nails that go into a coffin.
That was the final one? - I didn't want an entire-- - Why?
What happened on New Year's Day? - I didn't want--
Kyle and I were, like, bickering, whatever.
I didn't go to New Year's with him.
I spent it by myself.
He spent it DJing at a restaurant, whatever.
I woke up the next morning,
I saw that he was a-- in a hotel at Hoboken.
I'm going into 2026, wanting to, like,
have a fresh start, and he's doing the same shit
that he was doing that was pissing me off before.
So I waited until everyone was back in the office,
and I contacted Bravo PR immediately.
And I said, "I want to put out a statement
because I don't want people watching this season
thinking that Kyle and I are still together
after I was treated this way the whole time."
- I'm curious, did this group hear rumors
about Kyle and other women during his time on Summer House
or In The City?
- Did we hear about him with other women?
- Yeah, rumors. Yes. - Yeah.
- Um, before they were married, obviously.
- Obviously, I spent a lot of time with Kyle, like,
from 2018 to 2022-23, even, like,
when we were working together.
Was-- Would Kyle get pretty drunk at some events?
Yes, but I didn't--
I was concerned because he was drunk,
but I really don't believe he was stepping out
in those moments.
Was he a little too wasted? Sure.
- There were times that he did and a lot of times
that he was inappropriate.
But at the end of the day there were a shit ton of rumors
that came in. - But it's also --
W-What is inappropriate? Apparently, it's--
- There's been so many rumors and so many DMs over the years.
- That you never go out with me. You made me --
- But there's rumors about West all the time!
- Our entire marriage I was - We're married, Ciara!
Him and I were married. - Okay, so--
- You never came to anything with me.
- West was single, so he could do what he wants.
This is when Kyle and I were married.
That was a -- That broke us up.
- A-are still married. - You never did anything with me.
- Um, Kyle, since you've been married to Amanda,
have you been faithful to her?
- No. - Since you've been married.
- There has been times when I've been out
and I've been inappropriate. I will own it.
Did I ever have an affair? No.
Did I ever sleep with someone? No.
Like, have I been, like, completely starved
and deprived of anything and everything from you?
Yeah, and I-I've acted out.
- What's your understanding of this?
- He has stepped out of the marriage
while we were together.
♪♪
- Did I ever have an affair? No.
Did I ever sleep with someone? No.
Have I been, like, completely starved
and deprived of anything and everything from you?
Yeah, and I-I've acted out.
- What's your understanding of this?
- He has stepped out of the marriage
while we were together.
- What does that mean? Like kissing? Kissing people?
Ear stuff?
- After we were married, there was a time
that you were at a party asking a girl
if you could kiss her, make out with her.
She DM'd me on a personal level.
That was my point.
That was my issue with you going out,
was you putting yourself in these positions. Yes.
- Okay, can I just say something?
- Yeah. We've talked about this for years.
- Have I been inappropriate? Yes.
- Making out is fully cheating on your wife.
- I'm not-- No, I didn't make out.
Thank you, Bailey. - You did.
- Uh, no, I did not. I asked one chick, I got--
- With the girl in the club. There was a video.
- I got-- Okay, apparently-- - I saw. I was sent it.
That's the night you went out with Taylor and Jeff.
- A lot of lines are blurred around here.
- Well, I mean, like, we have a very unhappy marriage
where there's no needs being met.
- How many years was it that needs were not being met?
- Four. - Four years?
- The entire time. The entire time.
- What's up with you and Salley from Southern Charm?
Is that a thing? Did you guys hook up?
- We -- no, no. We had -- there was --
- You made out on the night of the Summer House premiere.
Don't lie.
- The night before. - The night before.
- And when I found that out-- And when I found that out,
I immediately called Amanda. - You did. You did.
- And I told her that Kyle was making out with Salley.
And I thought that that was crazy.
I thought it was absurd. - It's insane.
- No, I just am making an example of, like,
how good of a friend I was to you
and how you're a friend to me.
So I just want to point that out.
- Kyle, you and Meghan King Edmonds.
What is that? [chuckles]
- Uh, well, I just met her. - Okay.
- Um, s-she, uh-- I was like,
"Oh, finally some-some Bravo family in the mix."
I didn't know who she was. Introduced myself.
Um, we ended up at a Page Six party,
then an after party.
I could kind of sense things.
People were looking at us and we--
I was like, "Let's go across the street."
I thought I got f-far enough away.
Clearly, I didn't. And yeah, she--
She was like, "Listen, I know you're going through a divorce."
She kind of opened up to me about what she's going through.
I think that's literally when I was, like,
holding her shoulders.
Uh, gave her a kiss tonight. - That was it?
- Yeah. - Okay.
- On his tippies. - By the way,
I wasn't on my tippy toes.
If you look, I just had baggy pants.
She is tall, though. - She's very tall.
- She is tall. - But I was--
My-my heels never left the ground.
Analyze the tapes. - It looked --
Looked like a Michael Jackson, like, Thriller music video.
- Kyle and Amanda, do you think your relationship
would have survived as long as it did without the show?
Was Summer House your way of communicating with each other?
- I will say our communications was so bad,
I think it helped us communicate
because in this environment, you have to talk.
You have to talk through your problems.
And so we would have, like, six months of issues
that were unresolved, and we'd come in
and do our best to try to talk through them, you know, in--
without the whole house.
So I think in a way, it was our form of therapy,
as crazy as that sounds.
- Okay, and we are gonna break for lunch, everybody.
Back at 2:30. - What time is it?
- 1:38.
- Let's get me some lunch time. - Get some lunch.
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- Well, glad to be popping your reunion cherry with you.
- Thanks, baby.
- This is frustrating.
I'm also so fucking tired of them being like,
"But you're married. But you're married."
It just-- like, so fucking frustrating.
Because they knew how miserable we were
in that relationship, and he treated me
like absolute shit.
And it's not just the way he spoke to me on camera.
It's the way spoke to me off, too.
But he's going to sit there and cry
while he's making out with other people
and going on dates and-and no one gives a shit about that.
- Yeah, I mean, Kyle hooked up with someone
before you ever did. - Literally.
- Yeah.
- Oh, yeah.
- Like, that's annoying.
[phone ringing]
[muttering]
- Hi. - Hi.
- Thanks. - How are you feeling?
- Better. I was like, "I better not cry on that stage."
And I got it all out before I got on stage,
and, like, then when I saw them,
I got all pissed and so... - Yeah.
- Um, okay, let me give you a little recap.
They don't even look like they like each other up here.
Like, he-- She's taking--
She's taking the brunt of it. He's staying quiet.
Like, we could predict.
- Well, I mean, we could've guessed, yeah.
- He, like, will jump in occasionally,
but, like, isn't trying to save her.
Barely, like... Yeah.
- Do you want me to hop in more? Or do you--
- Okay.
- I think I have to just attempt to speak for myself.
- I can tell, like, Ciara gets under your skin
really, really, really fast and that's, like, the-- her goal.
- Yeah.
- And I think just breath, apologies.
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
- And then, like, delivering it simple
will help with composure. - Yeah, yeah.
- I mean, you acted like any person who's being cornered.
- Yeah.
- But I mean, that's-- That's normal.
- And don't, like, sound snippy.
- Yeah.
[sighs]
- Like, from a morality standpoint,
I'm like, I don't understand. - Yeah.
Kyle just walked in. - Hi.
- Hi, Kyle. How are you? - How are you?
Can I ask you a quick question?
So, from your understanding, like,
was it clearly defined when you guys were exclusive?
- Yeah, we were literally dating last summer,
like, while you guys were filming, like,
he referred to me as his girlfriend all the time.
Like, we just weren't in a public relationship.
We had, like-- - I mean,
you built all the furniture in his house.
- Literally was at his house, like, every weekend
that he was filming.
We knew we were in an exclusive relationship.
I go over there the night before
Watch What Happens Live. Everything was so fine.
He was, like, telling me how much he loves me
and, like, everything was just totally fine.
- Did he say-- ever say why
he didn't wanna make it public or, like--
- Yeah, she texted me this-- The receipts.
- Yeah, it's-- - He blames the show.
Which is--
Which, by the way--
Which is a great excuse to you, who's not in it.
You don't know the politics.
That's bullshit. - Yeah.
- And, like, the other reason he would use, too,
was, like, if I bring you into this,
like, obviously, that's just like
putting you in a situation where it's like,
now people have eyes on you
and they're having opinions about you and, like...
- Feels manipulative because, like...
- And then also just, like, in hindsight,
I'm like, "Okay, so you were concerned about
people maybe, like, pitting me against Ciara,
if I ever came on the show as, like, your public girlfriend.
But you're very comfortable just, like, dumping me.
And then all of a sudden popping out the next day
and in a relationship with Amanda and letting--
- Who's one of my close friends.
- I'm just left on my own to figure that out by myself.
Like... - He's manipulating.
- That's just, like, so fucking hurtful.
Like, I didn't ask to be thrown in this situation.
- Yeah.
- Our relationship is just that easy for him to, like,
completely discredit, like...
- At least it's almost over.
- Like, we'll-- We-we're about to
go confront him, and I don't-- Like how--
Can you call her on the set?
- I think it'll get a little bit easier.
- We'll be able to talk
since you're not physically here.
- Thank you for having my back.
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