1 00:00:02,102 --> 00:00:04,938 ♪♪ 2 00:00:05,072 --> 00:00:06,773 - Ciara, what are your intentions 3 00:00:06,907 --> 00:00:08,133 for this reunion? 4 00:00:08,233 --> 00:00:09,902 - I mean, I guess we might as well discuss the details 5 00:00:10,002 --> 00:00:11,078 before I put them in the ground 6 00:00:11,178 --> 00:00:12,212 and cover 'em with dirt. 7 00:00:13,447 --> 00:00:15,949 - Previously, on the "Summer House Reunion." 8 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:18,085 Why are you in a revenge dress? 9 00:00:18,185 --> 00:00:19,186 - Yeah, it looks good. 10 00:00:19,286 --> 00:00:21,388 [laughing] - Yep, looks pretty good. 11 00:00:21,488 --> 00:00:22,189 [laughing] 12 00:00:22,256 --> 00:00:23,023 - You look great. 13 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:24,291 - Do you want another hug, Carl? 14 00:00:24,391 --> 00:00:25,417 - I'll always take a hug. 15 00:00:25,517 --> 00:00:27,928 - So I'm not allowed to pursue something 16 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:30,297 that I feel strongly about? 17 00:00:30,397 --> 00:00:31,632 - Are we morally bankrupt? No. 18 00:00:31,732 --> 00:00:33,467 - Like, literally? No. - Got it. 19 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,637 - I've 100% lied to people here, 20 00:00:36,737 --> 00:00:38,438 and I take full accountability for that. 21 00:00:38,505 --> 00:00:39,473 - The problem is now 22 00:00:39,606 --> 00:00:40,757 is that I feel like you lie about your life. 23 00:00:40,857 --> 00:00:42,309 Like, you lie about who you are. 24 00:00:42,409 --> 00:00:44,111 I think you're the most fraudulent person 25 00:00:44,211 --> 00:00:45,379 sitting on this couch. 26 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,539 You live a different fucking life off-camera 27 00:00:47,673 --> 00:00:49,082 than you do on-camera. 28 00:00:49,182 --> 00:00:51,602 And you have a girlfriend. 29 00:00:51,702 --> 00:00:52,853 Meija. 30 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,289 ♪♪ 31 00:00:55,389 --> 00:00:57,758 - And did you know that he was dating this woman? 32 00:00:57,858 --> 00:00:59,051 - Yeah. - Yeah. 33 00:00:59,184 --> 00:01:00,427 - You know now, or you knew then? - And you didn't care? 34 00:01:00,527 --> 00:01:02,496 - We had a whole conversation about it. 35 00:01:02,629 --> 00:01:04,389 - West, you're so fucking good. 36 00:01:04,523 --> 00:01:06,266 You're good at pulling girls. 37 00:01:06,366 --> 00:01:09,953 Do whatever you need to do to climb the ladder, 38 00:01:10,053 --> 00:01:11,338 to clout chase, 39 00:01:11,471 --> 00:01:13,507 to get to wherever you fucking need to go. 40 00:01:13,607 --> 00:01:15,275 - And then you drop 'em. - Boom! 41 00:01:15,375 --> 00:01:17,778 You're gonna do the same fucking thing to Amanda 42 00:01:17,878 --> 00:01:19,796 when this is not working out, 43 00:01:19,896 --> 00:01:21,682 because it's not going to. 44 00:01:21,782 --> 00:01:22,749 - Or maybe they'll be together, 45 00:01:22,816 --> 00:01:24,651 because I honestly think that the best like, 46 00:01:24,751 --> 00:01:25,986 woman for West is, like, 47 00:01:26,053 --> 00:01:28,188 someone who's not gonna check him on anything. 48 00:01:28,322 --> 00:01:29,489 And that's totally Amanda. 49 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:30,824 - Oof. - Like, she's very mute. 50 00:01:30,891 --> 00:01:33,151 She's gonna be that weak figure that he needs, 51 00:01:33,251 --> 00:01:35,462 and he can always be the star in the relationship. 52 00:01:35,562 --> 00:01:37,831 So I actually think, like, maybe it could work. 53 00:01:37,998 --> 00:01:42,936 ♪♪ 54 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:46,673 ♪♪ 55 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:48,308 - That's your wife. She's not my wife. 56 00:01:48,408 --> 00:01:49,509 - I'm just sayin'... 57 00:01:49,676 --> 00:01:53,672 ♪♪ 58 00:01:53,772 --> 00:01:56,616 [waves crashing] 59 00:02:03,181 --> 00:02:05,025 - He's definitely gonna do it to you, Amanda. 60 00:02:05,092 --> 00:02:06,827 You and I have gotten so fucking close 61 00:02:06,927 --> 00:02:08,395 over the last year. 62 00:02:08,528 --> 00:02:11,698 And, like, I feel bamboozled in so many ways, 63 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:14,935 but I also still feel really protective 64 00:02:15,068 --> 00:02:17,504 and, like, he's gonna fuckin' do it to you. 65 00:02:17,604 --> 00:02:18,705 - But then like-- - He's going to do it to you. 66 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:20,774 - On that note, I asked you point blank, 67 00:02:20,874 --> 00:02:22,075 what is your understanding 68 00:02:22,209 --> 00:02:23,510 of his relationship with Meija? 69 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:24,678 - It's been public. 70 00:02:24,778 --> 00:02:26,413 Who I've hooked up with every once in a while. 71 00:02:26,546 --> 00:02:28,648 - West, you are a pathy. We believe nothing. 72 00:02:31,109 --> 00:02:32,152 - You okay? 73 00:02:39,059 --> 00:02:40,485 - Sorry. I'm just gonna be honest right now, 74 00:02:40,619 --> 00:02:42,329 and I don't wanna take up a bunch of time. 75 00:02:42,396 --> 00:02:43,597 - You're good. - Um... 76 00:02:43,697 --> 00:02:44,698 - We're here all day. - Yeah. 77 00:02:44,798 --> 00:02:50,103 - My dad was a very womanizing player, 78 00:02:50,237 --> 00:02:54,941 and my mom had to deal with so much shit, 79 00:02:55,042 --> 00:03:01,114 so that's why, like, I am hurting, West, 80 00:03:01,214 --> 00:03:02,549 because I don't like that shit. 81 00:03:02,649 --> 00:03:04,451 - Mm-hmm. - I grew up watching that firsthand, 82 00:03:04,618 --> 00:03:07,120 and it destroyed my family. 83 00:03:07,220 --> 00:03:10,057 My dad's a habitual liar. 84 00:03:10,157 --> 00:03:11,358 He lies to everyone, 85 00:03:11,458 --> 00:03:12,959 but then he puts on this persona, 86 00:03:13,126 --> 00:03:14,586 like he's got everything together 87 00:03:14,686 --> 00:03:16,530 and he makes people feel good. 88 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:17,931 And so, it's like, 89 00:03:18,031 --> 00:03:20,425 I just am seeing a correlation. 90 00:03:20,525 --> 00:03:21,968 And also, too, 91 00:03:22,069 --> 00:03:25,088 like, the discussion we had at the table this summer 92 00:03:25,188 --> 00:03:29,242 with-- when we talked about race, 93 00:03:29,342 --> 00:03:32,479 that was like, a very serious thing. 94 00:03:32,579 --> 00:03:34,840 - I get a lot of blowback that's, like, very racial, 95 00:03:34,940 --> 00:03:36,483 obviously, being in this position, 96 00:03:36,583 --> 00:03:39,219 like, I was the first Black person in this house. 97 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:40,679 And then dating publicly, 98 00:03:40,779 --> 00:03:42,389 dating white guys publicly, 99 00:03:42,456 --> 00:03:45,684 it's like a whole... contraption 100 00:03:45,784 --> 00:03:47,627 that I don't think you guys even understand 101 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:50,055 or can even empathize with. 102 00:03:50,122 --> 00:03:52,732 - And I don't like to see Ciara being treated 103 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:56,269 the way that she's being treated. 104 00:03:56,369 --> 00:04:00,407 - Yeah, I'll apologize to you again. 105 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:02,342 I know today's probably not the right time, 106 00:04:02,476 --> 00:04:04,010 but, like, moving forward, 107 00:04:04,177 --> 00:04:06,680 whenever the right time is with you, if you-- 108 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:09,049 If there's conversations to be had, 109 00:04:09,182 --> 00:04:10,684 I would have them with you. 110 00:04:10,784 --> 00:04:12,619 - It'll take time, but I'm open 111 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:14,588 to having a conversation at some point. 112 00:04:14,688 --> 00:04:17,491 - Right. I appreciate that. 113 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:19,493 - Um, thank you for that conversation, 114 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:21,695 first of all, it was edifying, 115 00:04:21,862 --> 00:04:23,555 uh, and necessary. 116 00:04:23,655 --> 00:04:27,634 What led you to speak on it at that moment? 117 00:04:27,734 --> 00:04:31,371 - I think it's just like, the compounding years 118 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:34,875 of like, being on this show and being one of a few. 119 00:04:34,975 --> 00:04:36,001 And it's like, 120 00:04:36,101 --> 00:04:38,979 a whole other part that I have to endure 121 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:41,047 and just, like, experience 122 00:04:41,214 --> 00:04:43,583 that, like, my other castmates don't have to. 123 00:04:43,717 --> 00:04:46,520 I just, like, hit the point where I was like, 124 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:48,955 I'm not gonna sugarcoat things anymore. 125 00:04:49,022 --> 00:04:50,023 - What's the most important thing 126 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:52,392 you want viewers to understand? 127 00:04:52,526 --> 00:04:55,495 - Um... there are a lot of racial dynamics 128 00:04:55,595 --> 00:04:56,797 that happen in this group. 129 00:04:56,897 --> 00:04:59,533 That's part of, like, having interracial relationships, 130 00:04:59,633 --> 00:05:00,734 Interracial friendships. 131 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:03,703 Intercultural relationships and friendships. 132 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:06,039 If I'm having white friends in this day and age, 133 00:05:06,106 --> 00:05:08,074 like, we're talking about race, how can we not? 134 00:05:08,241 --> 00:05:12,179 Politically speaking, it's turmoil outside. 135 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,315 Like, I actually don't wanna be friends 136 00:05:15,382 --> 00:05:16,183 if we're not talking about 137 00:05:16,283 --> 00:05:17,350 the political climate of this world. 138 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:18,877 Because there's a whole other layer 139 00:05:18,977 --> 00:05:20,187 that we experience it in. 140 00:05:20,287 --> 00:05:23,757 So, yeah, the conversations are vital. 141 00:05:23,890 --> 00:05:27,427 - West said at dinner that he sees you way more now. 142 00:05:27,527 --> 00:05:29,696 - If I knew what I knew, then... 143 00:05:29,796 --> 00:05:33,124 I, like, would have been a lot different. 144 00:05:33,225 --> 00:05:34,226 And I just want you to know 145 00:05:34,326 --> 00:05:36,770 I, like, see you way more than I did prior. 146 00:05:36,903 --> 00:05:37,938 - Wow. 147 00:05:38,038 --> 00:05:40,498 Full circle moment is what you're saying. 148 00:05:40,565 --> 00:05:43,610 - Did you believe him then? 149 00:05:43,710 --> 00:05:46,905 - Then? Perhaps. 150 00:05:47,005 --> 00:05:49,649 - Do you believe him now? - No. 151 00:05:49,783 --> 00:05:50,750 I think that like, 152 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:52,018 after watching the season back, 153 00:05:52,118 --> 00:05:54,688 I think it's very clear that Amanda and West 154 00:05:54,754 --> 00:05:57,324 were using buzzwords of like, I see you, I hear you, 155 00:05:57,457 --> 00:06:00,760 to like, satiate maybe what I needed to hear... 156 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:06,299 and like-- but they didn't really see or hear me. 157 00:06:06,433 --> 00:06:09,761 - Any response. 158 00:06:09,861 --> 00:06:11,805 - Everything that I've said to you 159 00:06:11,905 --> 00:06:13,974 over the summer, everything that I've felt, 160 00:06:14,140 --> 00:06:15,575 everything that we've talked about 161 00:06:15,675 --> 00:06:17,978 was truly how I felt in those moments. 162 00:06:18,078 --> 00:06:21,615 I got caught up in my feelings 163 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:25,210 and I'm-- I-- Doesn't matter. 164 00:06:25,343 --> 00:06:27,954 Like, this has hurt me a lot. 165 00:06:28,021 --> 00:06:29,823 Like, for you-- - It really hasn't. 166 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:31,958 You've literally been out, you guys have been out, 167 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:33,093 you're functioning. You've been fine. - You haven't been with me. 168 00:06:34,261 --> 00:06:35,996 - But like, also, at the same time, Amanda, 169 00:06:36,129 --> 00:06:37,597 like, I think that that's insane 170 00:06:37,697 --> 00:06:38,832 because you've literally been in the bed with me 171 00:06:38,932 --> 00:06:40,784 for the past six fucking years. 172 00:06:40,884 --> 00:06:42,569 And like, this is where we're at. 173 00:06:46,031 --> 00:06:48,008 - Given how privy you've been 174 00:06:48,108 --> 00:06:50,902 to what's gone on between the two of them 175 00:06:50,969 --> 00:06:55,482 and his kind of inability to commit to Ciara, 176 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:57,217 what does make you think that, 177 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:59,252 that this situation is different? 178 00:06:59,352 --> 00:07:04,190 - I mean that's conversations that West and I have had, 179 00:07:04,291 --> 00:07:06,593 like, we've talked about that privately, 180 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:08,862 and like, what this would look like 181 00:07:08,995 --> 00:07:11,865 and what this meant, which is the only reason 182 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:15,302 I feel like I'm sitting here next to him right now. 183 00:07:15,402 --> 00:07:16,803 - And how did those conversations go? 184 00:07:16,903 --> 00:07:18,596 - Yeah, I need some clarity on that. 185 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:19,998 What do you mean by that, Amanda? 186 00:07:20,098 --> 00:07:21,541 I genuinely wanna know. 187 00:07:21,641 --> 00:07:22,809 What were those conversations 188 00:07:22,909 --> 00:07:25,011 that you and West had that led you guys here, 189 00:07:25,111 --> 00:07:27,881 that led you from being one of Ciara's friends, 190 00:07:28,014 --> 00:07:29,883 good friends, that you guys spent summers 191 00:07:29,983 --> 00:07:31,384 after summers together, 192 00:07:31,484 --> 00:07:33,853 telling each other your deepest secrets, 193 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:35,522 your wants, your plans for the future, 194 00:07:35,622 --> 00:07:37,507 confiding in each other. 195 00:07:37,607 --> 00:07:40,677 - I mean, just first of all the feelings, 196 00:07:40,777 --> 00:07:43,330 the fact that it was based off friendship, 197 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:44,898 you know, I-- - I think ours was, too. 198 00:07:44,998 --> 00:07:46,199 Interesting. - Okay. 199 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:47,600 - And I'm not saying that it-- 200 00:07:47,734 --> 00:07:51,354 - No, yeah, no, sorry. - ...wasn't. 201 00:07:51,454 --> 00:07:52,364 I mean, I don't-- 202 00:07:52,464 --> 00:07:53,840 Some of these conversations are private 203 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:56,076 and like, not everything that I feel comfortable 204 00:07:56,176 --> 00:08:00,146 sharing right now in front of, of everyone. 205 00:08:01,281 --> 00:08:03,775 - I wanted to get to a point selfishly 206 00:08:03,875 --> 00:08:06,219 where maybe I felt 207 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:07,754 I understood what was going on 208 00:08:07,854 --> 00:08:09,389 because I was going to have to be honest 209 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:10,990 with Ciara, no matter what. 210 00:08:11,091 --> 00:08:13,159 - Mm-hmm. - No matter what. 211 00:08:13,226 --> 00:08:15,028 I felt embarrassed to have to say 212 00:08:15,128 --> 00:08:16,763 I have feelings and have kissed West 213 00:08:16,863 --> 00:08:19,199 and he's seeing someone else. 214 00:08:19,299 --> 00:08:20,767 I felt embarrassed having to say that to Ciara. 215 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:22,102 - I mean, yeah, it's embarrassing. 216 00:08:22,235 --> 00:08:23,503 [scoffs] 217 00:08:25,939 --> 00:08:29,476 - I think I need to take a break for a second. 218 00:08:29,609 --> 00:08:30,844 - Okay. 219 00:08:42,756 --> 00:08:45,625 [crying softly] 220 00:08:45,725 --> 00:08:47,060 - I just need a second. 221 00:08:49,662 --> 00:08:51,915 - West, are you gonna go after her? 222 00:08:52,015 --> 00:08:54,300 - You should go after your girl. 223 00:08:54,401 --> 00:08:55,360 - I didn't know if the questions 224 00:08:55,427 --> 00:08:57,537 were gonna come back to me, but... 225 00:08:57,604 --> 00:09:01,141 - Can I like not be on camera for like five minutes? 226 00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:02,867 - I'd like to think that we can create an environment 227 00:09:02,934 --> 00:09:04,310 where we can talk, 228 00:09:04,444 --> 00:09:06,312 but there's a lot of unanswered questions. 229 00:09:06,479 --> 00:09:07,764 And so, if she keeps shutting down, 230 00:09:07,864 --> 00:09:09,082 or feeling like she's getting interrupted, 231 00:09:09,182 --> 00:09:10,183 I don't think we'll make any progress. 232 00:09:10,316 --> 00:09:11,376 - Well, look, you roll in the mud, 233 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:13,386 you get dirty. Like, I don't know, like, 234 00:09:13,486 --> 00:09:14,954 that's what's happened. - No one was interrupting her. 235 00:09:15,054 --> 00:09:16,289 - She-- - But also, no, it's not fair. 236 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:18,591 - Do you know how many times I was in the fuckin' hot seat 237 00:09:18,691 --> 00:09:21,294 where I had everyone on this couch coming at me 238 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:23,496 year after year after year after year after year... 239 00:09:23,596 --> 00:09:25,231 - Never got up and left. - And I never fuckin' left. 240 00:09:25,331 --> 00:09:26,791 - I know. 241 00:09:26,891 --> 00:09:28,785 - You should go after your fuckin' girl. 242 00:09:28,885 --> 00:09:30,003 - Not gonna-- We're not gonna both leave. 243 00:09:30,103 --> 00:09:32,172 - Get up and go after her, West! 244 00:09:32,305 --> 00:09:33,398 Be a fuckin' man. 245 00:09:33,531 --> 00:09:35,341 - Just so you can tell me that we both fuckin' left 246 00:09:35,475 --> 00:09:36,743 and bitch about that. - No! I think that-- 247 00:09:36,843 --> 00:09:38,011 - Ask the questions. - You know what, 248 00:09:38,111 --> 00:09:39,546 if you wanna be a fuckin' man, 249 00:09:39,646 --> 00:09:40,947 make the decision as a man and go after her. 250 00:09:41,047 --> 00:09:42,048 - Right. Literally. 251 00:09:42,182 --> 00:09:44,042 - I would go after her to make sure she's okay. 252 00:09:44,142 --> 00:09:45,251 - Okay. 253 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:52,525 - Are you okay, Kyle? 254 00:09:52,692 --> 00:09:54,661 - I just-- This is so fucking weird. 255 00:09:54,727 --> 00:09:56,029 - It's very weird. - Yeah. 256 00:09:56,196 --> 00:09:57,330 - I almost got up. 257 00:09:57,397 --> 00:09:58,665 - I almost got up to go after her, too. 258 00:09:58,765 --> 00:10:01,201 - I almost got up to go after her, too. 259 00:10:01,301 --> 00:10:02,602 - I didn't almost get up to go after her. 260 00:10:02,702 --> 00:10:03,603 I'm not gonna lie. 261 00:10:05,638 --> 00:10:08,007 - It's just like, her comments just like, 262 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:09,476 really fucking got really deep. 263 00:10:09,576 --> 00:10:12,612 - I know. I know. - It's really hard. 264 00:10:15,482 --> 00:10:16,616 - This is ridiculous. - I almost got up. 265 00:10:16,683 --> 00:10:17,784 - You fuck my ex. 266 00:10:17,884 --> 00:10:19,552 But-- And then I scoff, and then you can't sit there. 267 00:10:19,652 --> 00:10:21,354 - And by the way, you have every right to-- 268 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:23,281 A scoff should not be enough. 269 00:10:23,348 --> 00:10:24,891 But I think, she-- 270 00:10:24,991 --> 00:10:26,226 - I don't care. - I think that-- 271 00:10:26,326 --> 00:10:27,427 I think it's the comments from like, 30 minutes ago. 272 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:28,394 - Okay. 273 00:10:28,528 --> 00:10:30,063 Well, she's historically had low self-esteem. 274 00:10:30,163 --> 00:10:31,231 I didn't lie. 275 00:10:31,364 --> 00:10:34,801 - Kyle, did Amanda ask you to like, chill things out? 276 00:10:34,868 --> 00:10:36,136 - No. 277 00:10:37,036 --> 00:10:38,037 Well, I think-- - He knows her. 278 00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:39,672 - I think she's struggling. - He's reading her. 279 00:10:42,275 --> 00:10:43,910 - West, what's going on with Amanda? 280 00:10:44,010 --> 00:10:47,046 - She just took a beat. 281 00:10:47,113 --> 00:10:49,816 - She's taking a beat? - Yeah. But we're good. 282 00:10:54,254 --> 00:10:55,947 - I don't-- - Now I wanna get up. 283 00:10:56,047 --> 00:10:56,923 Maybe we should all take a break. 284 00:10:57,023 --> 00:10:57,891 I don't know. 285 00:10:57,957 --> 00:10:59,592 - All right, we're gonna take a break. 286 00:10:59,726 --> 00:11:01,653 Levi, thank you for joining us. 287 00:11:01,786 --> 00:11:02,562 - Thank you. 288 00:11:02,662 --> 00:11:03,930 - We'll be right back. 289 00:11:04,030 --> 00:11:05,698 Thank you, Levi. 290 00:11:05,798 --> 00:11:06,933 It was really nice to meet you. I hope to see you soon. 291 00:11:07,033 --> 00:11:09,002 - Thank you. So nice meeting you as well. 292 00:11:10,603 --> 00:11:13,273 - I'm like, struggling here. 293 00:11:13,373 --> 00:11:15,742 - How goes it? - No, I just... 294 00:11:15,808 --> 00:11:16,843 I'm just trying to-- 295 00:11:16,943 --> 00:11:19,562 I'm trying to get-- - Hang on, he can hear. 296 00:11:19,662 --> 00:11:22,048 [clearing throat] 297 00:11:22,148 --> 00:11:22,949 - Here's the thing. 298 00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:24,809 I'm gonna just tell you guys while we're here, 299 00:11:24,909 --> 00:11:27,954 the thing that I'm most focused on 300 00:11:28,054 --> 00:11:31,691 is West's ease of lying. - Had a girlfriend this entire time. 301 00:11:33,059 --> 00:11:34,986 - It's unreal. 302 00:11:35,086 --> 00:11:36,596 - We know that he had a full blown 303 00:11:36,663 --> 00:11:38,831 exclusive relationship since February of 2025. 304 00:11:38,965 --> 00:11:39,933 - 2025. 305 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:42,026 [dramatic music drops] 306 00:11:42,093 --> 00:11:44,270 - We actually have receipts. 307 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:45,538 I reached out to Meija 308 00:11:45,638 --> 00:11:48,374 because the curiosity got to the best of me. 309 00:11:48,474 --> 00:11:49,976 We went back and forth for a week. 310 00:11:50,076 --> 00:11:51,344 Everything I started learning about West 311 00:11:51,477 --> 00:11:52,670 made me question who he is. 312 00:11:52,770 --> 00:11:54,781 - Mm-hmm. - And I was like, 313 00:11:54,881 --> 00:11:56,115 Meija, with your permission, 314 00:11:56,216 --> 00:11:57,850 I'd like to share these notes with Ciara 315 00:11:57,984 --> 00:11:59,385 because I think the two of you should talk. 316 00:12:01,087 --> 00:12:03,189 He knew she was gonna have this blowup. 317 00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:04,924 Big, big breakup... - It's the only relationship that works. 318 00:12:05,024 --> 00:12:06,593 - ...with the "bad guy". - 'Cause she can't commit 319 00:12:06,693 --> 00:12:07,660 because she's still married to you. 320 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:09,554 - Yeah, she's- she's unavailable. 321 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:10,663 - Exactly. - So, technically, 322 00:12:10,797 --> 00:12:11,731 that's perfect for him. - It's the perfect scenario. 323 00:12:17,962 --> 00:12:21,240 ♪♪ 324 00:12:27,614 --> 00:12:29,015 - People always ask me, like, 325 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:31,250 this is, like, all fake, right? 326 00:12:31,317 --> 00:12:34,187 I'm just, like, clearly not fake. 327 00:12:34,287 --> 00:12:35,355 Wish it were. 328 00:12:35,488 --> 00:12:36,823 - My boys. - And, uh... 329 00:12:36,923 --> 00:12:40,026 - It's okay. We lost one, but we're still strong. 330 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:41,094 - It's fuckin' crazy, man. 331 00:12:44,656 --> 00:12:46,099 - Okay. 332 00:12:51,596 --> 00:12:52,730 - Phew. Okay. 333 00:12:52,830 --> 00:12:53,998 - How are my tits? 334 00:12:54,098 --> 00:12:56,075 - Fucking fabulous. - Perfect. 335 00:12:56,209 --> 00:12:58,411 - We are gonna bring Dara out now. 336 00:12:58,511 --> 00:12:59,479 - Put it in the glass box. 337 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:02,715 [whistling] 338 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:05,551 - Hey, Dara. - Hey, guys! - Oh, my gosh! Dara! 339 00:13:05,652 --> 00:13:07,512 - Lady in white! - Hi, gorgeous. 340 00:13:07,612 --> 00:13:09,355 - Wow. - How you doin'? 341 00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:10,757 - Have you seen her? - Good now! I'm better now! 342 00:13:10,890 --> 00:13:12,283 - I don't think KJ's seen her yet. 343 00:13:12,417 --> 00:13:13,459 - No, I haven't. - First look. 344 00:13:13,526 --> 00:13:14,961 - He asked for it to be a surprise. 345 00:13:15,094 --> 00:13:16,262 - Damn! - I had to oblige. 346 00:13:16,396 --> 00:13:17,296 - Yeah. 347 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:19,524 - West, what's going on with Amanda? 348 00:13:19,624 --> 00:13:21,367 - Coming soon. - Great. 349 00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:23,294 - 10 Seconds. 350 00:13:23,394 --> 00:13:26,773 five, four, three... 351 00:13:26,906 --> 00:13:29,776 - Welcome back to the Summer House Season 10 Reunion. 352 00:13:29,876 --> 00:13:30,943 I'm Andy Cohen. 353 00:13:31,077 --> 00:13:33,112 Joining us onstage is Dara. 354 00:13:33,212 --> 00:13:34,872 Hey, Dara. Thanks for joining us. 355 00:13:34,972 --> 00:13:36,382 - Thanks for having me. 356 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:40,244 - You and KJ look sharp in your matching white. 357 00:13:40,311 --> 00:13:41,621 - It was not an accident. 358 00:13:41,754 --> 00:13:42,989 - Good. 359 00:13:43,089 --> 00:13:44,816 You know, for a summer that was pretty chaotic, 360 00:13:44,916 --> 00:13:47,760 the two of you have been really solid, 361 00:13:47,894 --> 00:13:49,487 tonight included. 362 00:13:49,587 --> 00:13:51,164 Congratulations. - Thank you. 363 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:52,990 - So how long has it-- you've been together 364 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:54,926 for like, 10 months? - Yeah. 365 00:13:54,992 --> 00:13:58,229 I mean, not congruently, but we're hitting, 366 00:13:58,329 --> 00:14:00,340 you know, that point where it feels like, 367 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,433 we're reflecting back at the starting point, 368 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:04,477 and it's crazy to imagine 369 00:14:04,577 --> 00:14:06,979 how much we've gone through up until now. 370 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,639 And it's even crazier to know that, like, 371 00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:10,750 this is the strongest relationship 372 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:11,918 I'll probably ever have. 373 00:14:12,051 --> 00:14:13,953 So, it feels really nice. 374 00:14:14,053 --> 00:14:16,914 - That's great. That's great. 375 00:14:17,014 --> 00:14:19,859 Dara, you have a unique perspective here. 376 00:14:19,959 --> 00:14:21,994 You've been pals with West. 377 00:14:22,095 --> 00:14:23,921 You've seen him with other women. 378 00:14:24,021 --> 00:14:25,198 You dated him. 379 00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:28,025 What is your take on West and Amanda? 380 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:29,627 And what do you think's gonna happen? 381 00:14:29,694 --> 00:14:33,339 - I mean, I think that... 382 00:14:33,439 --> 00:14:34,307 I'm gonna be honest, West, 383 00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:36,868 I don't see you suddenly waking up one day 384 00:14:37,001 --> 00:14:39,812 and like, this, this is gonna be the relationship 385 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:42,039 that you stand up for and man up for. 386 00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:44,517 Like, you like people to think of you 387 00:14:44,617 --> 00:14:46,018 as a good guy... - Yeah. 388 00:14:46,119 --> 00:14:49,714 - But you treat the women that give themselves to you 389 00:14:49,847 --> 00:14:51,991 like they're expendable. 390 00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:53,326 - Any response, West? 391 00:14:53,392 --> 00:14:54,327 - No, I understand that. 392 00:14:54,427 --> 00:14:56,662 And I- Yeah, I agree. 393 00:14:56,763 --> 00:14:58,790 - Okay, I'm gonna skip through 394 00:14:58,890 --> 00:15:02,001 these Amanda questions. 395 00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:03,703 - Why isn't she coming back? Where is she? 396 00:15:03,803 --> 00:15:04,729 This is a very long break. - She'll be back. 397 00:15:04,829 --> 00:15:05,671 - I would have loved for her to hear 398 00:15:05,772 --> 00:15:07,673 what Dara just said, if I'm being honest. 399 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:08,708 - Don't worry, I can repeat it. 400 00:15:08,841 --> 00:15:10,743 - No, but this is a very long break. 401 00:15:11,811 --> 00:15:14,071 Well, then go find her. - I-I-- 402 00:15:14,172 --> 00:15:15,573 How more awkward can it get? 403 00:15:15,673 --> 00:15:17,241 - Probably a little bit more, but... 404 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:19,218 - Yeah, let's-let's push it. - Why not? 405 00:15:19,352 --> 00:15:20,411 - Let's see. - Who's gonna go now? 406 00:15:20,545 --> 00:15:21,554 West or Kyle? - Wait, come on. 407 00:15:21,654 --> 00:15:22,522 - Well, West is not stepping up, 408 00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:23,556 so her husband might as well. 409 00:15:23,656 --> 00:15:24,757 - She's gonna come to the reunion 410 00:15:24,891 --> 00:15:25,583 but not participate in the reunion? - Go on, husband. 411 00:15:25,716 --> 00:15:26,559 - Oh, Christ. - Go get her. 412 00:15:26,692 --> 00:15:29,095 Go get your wife. - That's so crazy. 413 00:15:29,195 --> 00:15:30,888 - No one needs to go. She's gonna come back. 414 00:15:30,988 --> 00:15:32,398 - Okay, thank God. 415 00:15:32,532 --> 00:15:35,268 - Um, all right, well, while we wait for Amanda 416 00:15:35,368 --> 00:15:37,570 to join us, I want to switch gears 417 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:40,998 and talk about three of our Summer House loverboys, 418 00:15:41,098 --> 00:15:44,577 Ben, KJ, and Jesse, who had very clear intentions 419 00:15:44,677 --> 00:15:47,271 coming into the summer, but somewhere along the way, 420 00:15:47,405 --> 00:15:50,908 those plans took a few unexpected detours. 421 00:15:51,008 --> 00:15:52,084 - Did you guys go out last night? 422 00:15:52,218 --> 00:15:54,353 Gave it a crack? Yous a bit dusty, or you're all right? 423 00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:55,888 - Oh, I love the way you talk. 424 00:15:56,022 --> 00:15:57,448 - You're single. - Mm-hmm. 425 00:15:57,582 --> 00:15:58,616 - Can he stop staring at me 426 00:15:58,716 --> 00:16:00,226 with his crystal blue Australian eyes? 427 00:16:00,359 --> 00:16:01,727 I'm like, "Uh-huh, keep talking in your Australian accent." 428 00:16:01,794 --> 00:16:02,954 - I know, obviously-- I'm like, "Yeah." 429 00:16:03,054 --> 00:16:04,889 - You were laid back last night, just chilling, 430 00:16:04,956 --> 00:16:06,132 and girl here, girl here. 431 00:16:06,232 --> 00:16:07,391 I couldn't even, like, talk to you 432 00:16:07,458 --> 00:16:09,435 because you had, like, a tower of girls around you. 433 00:16:09,569 --> 00:16:12,221 - Where'd your shirt go, bro? - It's inside. 434 00:16:13,706 --> 00:16:14,932 - I literally, like, meet a girl 435 00:16:15,032 --> 00:16:16,909 and then write a song about her the next week. 436 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:19,303 And then immediately send her the file. 437 00:16:19,437 --> 00:16:20,913 - Do-- Jesse Solomon. 438 00:16:21,047 --> 00:16:22,773 - Is that cringe? - Yes. 439 00:16:22,874 --> 00:16:24,976 - Imagine this is, like, our engagement photos. 440 00:16:25,076 --> 00:16:26,477 - Oh, wow. 441 00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:28,754 - Lindsay, your flirting with Ben was bold 442 00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:30,481 right out of the gate. 443 00:16:30,581 --> 00:16:33,317 Were you surprised by how thrown off he seemed? 444 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:35,761 - You know, as good looking as Ben is, 445 00:16:35,862 --> 00:16:38,656 he wasn't giving much back. - Yes, yes. 446 00:16:38,756 --> 00:16:41,826 - You know? And I was really hoping for more. 447 00:16:41,926 --> 00:16:43,636 And I didn't get it. 448 00:16:43,769 --> 00:16:47,098 I was a publicist for the majority of my life. 449 00:16:47,164 --> 00:16:48,474 And-- - You still doing it now? 450 00:16:48,574 --> 00:16:50,510 - No. Former publicist, 451 00:16:50,576 --> 00:16:51,944 current MILF. - Yeah. 452 00:16:52,044 --> 00:16:54,480 - That's what I do. - Love it. 453 00:16:54,614 --> 00:16:56,716 - Knowing now that Ben may have been thinking 454 00:16:56,782 --> 00:16:58,985 about Sabrina at that time, does that make you think-- 455 00:16:59,118 --> 00:17:00,344 - It makes a whole lot more sense. 456 00:17:00,444 --> 00:17:01,345 I feel better about myself. - It makes you feel better. 457 00:17:01,445 --> 00:17:02,989 Right? Yes. - Thank you for asking. 458 00:17:03,089 --> 00:17:03,856 - Yes. 459 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:04,749 [giggling] 460 00:17:04,849 --> 00:17:06,684 What's the latest with Sabrina? 461 00:17:06,784 --> 00:17:08,352 - Oh, we're the happiest we've ever been. 462 00:17:08,486 --> 00:17:10,630 - Wow. What was your family's reaction 463 00:17:10,696 --> 00:17:12,023 to Sabrina? 464 00:17:12,156 --> 00:17:14,033 You brought her to Australia? - Yeah. 465 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:16,193 So when I bought my tickets to Australia, 466 00:17:16,294 --> 00:17:17,637 um, the other week, I bought Sabrina a ticket, 467 00:17:17,737 --> 00:17:19,205 as well. So... 468 00:17:19,305 --> 00:17:20,139 - So I'm gonna meet his mom and dad! 469 00:17:20,206 --> 00:17:22,033 - She's gonna come back, yeah. - Damn. 470 00:17:22,166 --> 00:17:24,677 - What was really touching, actually-- 471 00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:25,836 so my relationship with my father 472 00:17:25,937 --> 00:17:28,314 hasn't been good since- since way back when, 473 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:29,382 when I was a teenager. 474 00:17:29,448 --> 00:17:31,709 Um, I hadn't hugged him ever, since then, 475 00:17:31,809 --> 00:17:33,444 'cause he didn't talk to me, and our relationship's been 476 00:17:33,544 --> 00:17:35,054 a bit broken. 477 00:17:35,187 --> 00:17:36,722 And so when Sabrina's in the house, 478 00:17:36,856 --> 00:17:38,291 she made an effort every day 479 00:17:38,424 --> 00:17:40,017 to give dad a hug in the morning 480 00:17:40,117 --> 00:17:42,728 and at night, as well, so right in front of me, 481 00:17:42,862 --> 00:17:44,889 sometimes next to me, and then, like, one time, 482 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:45,731 a couple of weeks in, 483 00:17:45,798 --> 00:17:48,367 he, like, touched my, um, shoulder. 484 00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:49,535 And, uh, 485 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:52,705 and for the first time, uh, since I was 19, 486 00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:54,298 I hugged him when we left. - Wow. 487 00:17:54,398 --> 00:17:57,243 - And that was all 'cause Sabrina was making sure. 488 00:17:57,343 --> 00:17:59,737 Um, yeah, so it was special. - That's awesome. 489 00:17:59,837 --> 00:18:00,680 - Wow. - Oh, Ben! 490 00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:02,582 - That's really sweet. - Ben, at the beach, 491 00:18:02,682 --> 00:18:04,917 you opened up about how hard it is 492 00:18:05,051 --> 00:18:07,019 to say "I love you," and that it stems 493 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,688 with those issues with your dad, 494 00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:11,057 and you said there was an indiscretion 495 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:13,259 that caused conflict between the two of you. 496 00:18:13,326 --> 00:18:15,987 What happened? Are you comfortable sharing? 497 00:18:16,087 --> 00:18:18,089 - Yeah, um... 498 00:18:18,189 --> 00:18:19,198 I really messed up. 499 00:18:19,332 --> 00:18:21,400 The first girl that I was in love with in high school, 500 00:18:21,534 --> 00:18:24,003 my dad came in and-- and caught us 501 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:26,505 in a single bed together, and he was like, 502 00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:28,099 "Get out of the bed." 503 00:18:28,199 --> 00:18:30,376 And so I went out there and apologized to him. 504 00:18:30,509 --> 00:18:31,377 Just said, "Look, I'm really sorry. 505 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:33,579 "I understand what I've done." 506 00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:35,881 And he's like, "I don't think I can ever talk to you again." 507 00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:37,283 - Holy shit. - Wow. 508 00:18:37,416 --> 00:18:38,843 - That's really horrible. - And he didn't. Yeah. 509 00:18:38,943 --> 00:18:41,178 - You said your parents are born again Christians. 510 00:18:41,278 --> 00:18:43,714 - Mm-hmm. - Uh, very conservative. 511 00:18:43,781 --> 00:18:46,058 No sex before marriage. 512 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:47,460 When Sabrina visited, 513 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,620 were you two in separate bedrooms? 514 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,431 - That-that's always, uh, the case at our house. 515 00:18:52,565 --> 00:18:55,234 So what was a really nice gesture, 516 00:18:55,368 --> 00:18:58,037 um, was that dad actually let us stay in the same room 517 00:18:58,137 --> 00:18:59,305 for the first time ever. - Wow. 518 00:18:59,405 --> 00:19:02,233 - Wow. - So I think he knows that-- 519 00:19:02,299 --> 00:19:04,310 I mean, I always said to mum that the next person, 520 00:19:04,443 --> 00:19:06,545 um, that I bring home is gonna be-- 521 00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:08,539 gonna be really special. - Right. 522 00:19:08,639 --> 00:19:10,307 - And I said to the boys that, like, the next person 523 00:19:10,441 --> 00:19:12,910 I say "I love you" to will be-- will be the one, 524 00:19:12,977 --> 00:19:15,079 because I don't take it lightly at all. 525 00:19:15,146 --> 00:19:17,740 Um, and so that's-that's exactly where I stand today. 526 00:19:24,889 --> 00:19:26,098 - Yeah. 527 00:19:26,232 --> 00:19:28,000 - KJ, what did you think of the speed of Ben 528 00:19:28,134 --> 00:19:30,670 and Sabrina's relationship knowing how quickly 529 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,672 you and Dara were going? - Oh, I have no place to judge. 530 00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:35,508 [laughing] 531 00:19:42,581 --> 00:19:44,016 [clearing throat] 532 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:48,746 - Hi, Amanda. - Hi, Andy. 533 00:19:48,846 --> 00:19:50,856 - You okay? - Yeah. 534 00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:54,919 [sighing] 535 00:19:55,019 --> 00:19:57,688 - Um, I want to jump around a little bit 536 00:19:57,822 --> 00:19:59,865 because Amanda has rejoined us. 537 00:19:59,999 --> 00:20:02,168 Um, part of what you missed, 538 00:20:02,301 --> 00:20:08,499 Dara was highlighting patterns in West's dating rituals. 539 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:10,876 Is there anything you wanted Amanda to hear 540 00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:13,012 about what you said? 541 00:20:13,112 --> 00:20:15,981 - I guess that I would just reiterate to you 542 00:20:16,115 --> 00:20:20,553 that the biggest pattern in his life is that 543 00:20:20,686 --> 00:20:22,555 it is the West show. 544 00:20:22,688 --> 00:20:24,590 And it will always be the West show, 545 00:20:24,657 --> 00:20:28,828 and the biggest concern of his consistently 546 00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:31,697 is being well-liked and well-received. 547 00:20:31,797 --> 00:20:36,494 And he doesn't prioritize treating the women 548 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,231 he is linked to romantically with the same respect 549 00:20:40,331 --> 00:20:43,075 as he does anybody else in his life. 550 00:20:43,142 --> 00:20:47,171 And I just foresee him for a very long time 551 00:20:47,238 --> 00:20:50,007 wanting someone who will mold, and fold, 552 00:20:50,074 --> 00:20:53,410 and fit into his life without excuse or complaint. 553 00:20:53,511 --> 00:20:55,888 And it's up to you to decide 554 00:20:56,021 --> 00:21:00,351 what's worth sacrificing for that kind of person. 555 00:21:00,417 --> 00:21:07,933 ♪♪ 556 00:21:12,329 --> 00:21:13,372 ♪♪ 557 00:21:13,439 --> 00:21:14,974 - It is the West show. 558 00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:16,909 And it will always be the West show, 559 00:21:17,042 --> 00:21:21,180 and the biggest concern of his consistently 560 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,250 is being well-liked and well-received. 561 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:28,888 And I just foresee him for a very long time 562 00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:32,057 wanting someone who will mold, and fold, 563 00:21:32,158 --> 00:21:35,553 and fit into his life without excuse or complaint. 564 00:21:35,619 --> 00:21:41,800 Unfortunately, it's up to you to decide what's worth breaking, 565 00:21:41,934 --> 00:21:45,888 sacrificing, and losing for that kind of person. 566 00:21:48,791 --> 00:21:51,310 - It would be ironic if you went from the Kyle show 567 00:21:51,410 --> 00:21:53,145 to the West show. - Yeah. 568 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:56,315 - Given that you have been finding your voice 569 00:21:56,448 --> 00:21:58,384 over the last few years, it seems like, 570 00:21:58,484 --> 00:21:59,418 watching you. - Yeah, yeah. 571 00:21:59,518 --> 00:22:01,287 - The Kyle show wasn't that bad. 572 00:22:01,453 --> 00:22:02,421 - What? - Um... 573 00:22:02,488 --> 00:22:03,622 - The Kyle show wasn't that bad, was it? 574 00:22:03,789 --> 00:22:07,126 - It had its moments. Um... - Yeah. 575 00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:08,761 - I'm gonna get back to the guys. 576 00:22:08,861 --> 00:22:11,922 Jesse, as for you, you started the summer 577 00:22:11,989 --> 00:22:16,168 with clear intentions of becoming the new bed bug, 578 00:22:16,268 --> 00:22:18,971 but when it came to your relationship goals 579 00:22:19,104 --> 00:22:22,107 this season, they were much harder to make out, 580 00:22:22,208 --> 00:22:23,842 pun intended. 581 00:22:23,976 --> 00:22:26,345 Ariana from New Orleans said, "In confessional, 582 00:22:26,445 --> 00:22:28,781 "you hinted at having real feelings for Ciara, 583 00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:32,484 "but when confronted by Ciara, you froze and hid your feelings. 584 00:22:32,618 --> 00:22:35,854 "How did you really feel about her?" 585 00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:37,681 - Um... 586 00:22:37,815 --> 00:22:39,358 I think I caught some feelings 587 00:22:39,458 --> 00:22:41,026 and kind of misread the situation 588 00:22:41,126 --> 00:22:43,329 and wish I handled it differently. 589 00:22:43,429 --> 00:22:46,123 And I-I never said it was a joke, 590 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:50,469 but I went about it in my typical joking fashion. 591 00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:51,570 - I'm hearing, "It's a joke." 592 00:22:51,637 --> 00:22:53,372 Like, "Make out with her as a joke." 593 00:22:53,472 --> 00:22:56,141 Like, if you want to hide behind a joke, okay. 594 00:22:56,275 --> 00:22:59,311 - No, I wasn't making a joke. Like, if we made out, 595 00:22:59,411 --> 00:23:01,213 it would be-- - It would just be a joke. 596 00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:04,633 - Uh... 597 00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:08,888 And, uh, yeah, I regret that. 598 00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:11,790 - Was your song about being in love with your best friend 599 00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:14,026 about Ciara? 600 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,528 - Uh, no. 601 00:23:16,695 --> 00:23:18,397 - Tatiana from East LA wants to know 602 00:23:18,497 --> 00:23:21,233 if you wrote that song about West and Amanda. 603 00:23:23,068 --> 00:23:25,404 - No, I wrote this song a long time ago. 604 00:23:27,339 --> 00:23:28,807 - Well, they can play it at their wedding now, 605 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:30,743 so that's perfect. [laughing] 606 00:23:33,345 --> 00:23:35,414 - Okay. 607 00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:37,583 - Ciara, after watching the summer back, 608 00:23:37,683 --> 00:23:40,853 uh, do you understand why Jesse would surmise 609 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,521 that a make-out between the two of you 610 00:23:42,621 --> 00:23:44,556 was in the works? - Yeah, totally. 611 00:23:44,657 --> 00:23:47,793 I feel like the bed situation definitely was, like, 612 00:23:47,893 --> 00:23:49,628 a boundary we-- - Blurred the lines? 613 00:23:49,695 --> 00:23:51,930 - Blurred the lines. - It was the boob pillow. 614 00:23:52,031 --> 00:23:52,965 - As he puts his face on my tits. 615 00:23:53,032 --> 00:23:55,267 - That I think-- [laughing] 616 00:23:55,401 --> 00:23:59,104 It's just a little pillow. - It's a big pillow. 617 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:02,524 - I mean, also he was trying to not get a boner. 618 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,615 - Please don't. 619 00:24:09,782 --> 00:24:12,084 - I mean, there were a lot of blurred-- 620 00:24:12,217 --> 00:24:15,713 - I didn't think he did, but like... 621 00:24:15,779 --> 00:24:17,289 But I don't know. I don't know. 622 00:24:17,389 --> 00:24:19,091 I didn't feel anything. - Jesse, did you have a boner? 623 00:24:19,191 --> 00:24:21,360 - You'd-you'd hope you would have see-- like, known. 624 00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:23,629 - Like, I didn't-- [laughing] 625 00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:26,298 - You're sick. - I'm like-- 626 00:24:26,398 --> 00:24:28,767 - Amanda, Amelia from D.C. said, "Lots of commentary 627 00:24:28,901 --> 00:24:30,803 "about your flirtiness with people, 628 00:24:30,936 --> 00:24:33,539 "so what did you think of Ciara and Jesse's flirtiness? 629 00:24:33,639 --> 00:24:35,474 "Was it just part of their friendship?" 630 00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:39,778 - Yeah, I think we all are weirdly flirtatious 631 00:24:39,878 --> 00:24:41,280 and at times inappropriate with each other 632 00:24:41,413 --> 00:24:42,648 in different ways. 633 00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:44,450 We hype each other up. 634 00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:46,819 Maybe people feel like lines are crossed, but, like, 635 00:24:46,952 --> 00:24:50,990 for the most part, we're-- we are weird with each other. 636 00:24:52,124 --> 00:24:54,585 - Jesse, what is your relationship status 637 00:24:54,651 --> 00:24:56,628 these days? - Single. 638 00:24:56,729 --> 00:24:58,781 - Do you want a commitment, or are you ready 639 00:24:58,814 --> 00:24:59,932 for a commitment? 640 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,300 - I'm looking for something more serious, yeah. 641 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,002 - Really? - Yes, really. 642 00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,771 - We all feel that way from young Jesse? 643 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:07,006 - I think he's getting closer to that. 644 00:25:07,139 --> 00:25:07,973 - Yeah? - Yeah. 645 00:25:08,073 --> 00:25:09,767 - I'm seeing, even just his music career, 646 00:25:09,833 --> 00:25:11,010 how he's really jumped into that 647 00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:14,012 and focused on his career, and, like, I think as a result, 648 00:25:14,113 --> 00:25:15,080 being on the road, 649 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:16,782 probably being a little lonely, 650 00:25:16,849 --> 00:25:17,983 wanting that connection. 651 00:25:18,117 --> 00:25:20,819 - What is the latest with your singing career? 652 00:25:20,953 --> 00:25:23,689 - I'm going on tour the day after tomorrow. 653 00:25:23,822 --> 00:25:25,724 And... [applause] 654 00:25:25,824 --> 00:25:27,659 Thank you, guys. - Proud of you, brother. 655 00:25:27,826 --> 00:25:30,095 - Yeah, it's been, um, a lot of work, 656 00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:32,664 and I'm really proud. - Hmm. 657 00:25:32,765 --> 00:25:38,036 ♪ Guess I'll start being me ♪ 658 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:40,539 ♪ Doing things that make me happy ♪ 659 00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:43,308 ♪ Like I think I'm supposed to be ♪ 660 00:25:43,409 --> 00:25:45,711 ♪ I guess I'll start ♪ 661 00:25:45,878 --> 00:25:48,847 ♪ Falling in love ♪ 662 00:25:48,947 --> 00:25:51,350 ♪ Writing a song making mistakes ♪ 663 00:25:51,483 --> 00:25:53,719 ♪ And waking up ♪ 664 00:25:53,886 --> 00:25:55,170 - Keep singing, brother. 665 00:25:55,204 --> 00:25:56,188 I feel like his music has taken 666 00:25:56,288 --> 00:25:57,840 a little bit of a beating online. 667 00:25:57,873 --> 00:25:59,825 - Yeah, you know, we put ourselves out there 668 00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,318 by signing up for the show. 669 00:26:01,385 --> 00:26:03,695 What's probably not as expected is when 670 00:26:03,796 --> 00:26:06,165 you try to do something that you really care about, 671 00:26:06,265 --> 00:26:08,167 and you pursue it with everything, 672 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:12,070 that people will also take that and kind of troll it 673 00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:13,038 and drag it through the dirt. 674 00:26:13,205 --> 00:26:15,174 And so, I just like, my heart goes out 675 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,910 because he's putting himself out there more than 676 00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:19,578 99% of the people that I know. 677 00:26:22,848 --> 00:26:24,383 - You're-you're emotional hearing this from-- 678 00:26:24,483 --> 00:26:26,084 from your pals. - Yeah, I mean, 679 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:27,845 I just appreciate the support. 680 00:26:27,911 --> 00:26:29,088 I've been singing my whole life. 681 00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:31,014 I went to music school, and I'm, like, 682 00:26:31,081 --> 00:26:33,625 really excited that I'm able to do this. 683 00:26:33,725 --> 00:26:35,878 I'm grateful that I'm able to do this. 684 00:26:35,911 --> 00:26:37,763 So yeah, it just feels good that it's actually, like, 685 00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:39,631 starting to work a little bit. 686 00:26:39,731 --> 00:26:43,435 And so, your guys' support has always really meant a lot. 687 00:26:45,137 --> 00:26:47,439 - We got to see one of his performance-- 688 00:26:47,539 --> 00:26:49,441 well, his first big performance in Brooklyn 689 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:50,709 in-- was it September? 690 00:26:50,843 --> 00:26:53,946 And, um, I-I literally was, like, standing 691 00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,114 next to his parents with, like, the biggest grin 692 00:26:56,248 --> 00:26:57,282 because I was just so proud. 693 00:26:57,416 --> 00:26:59,218 - Oh, that's great. 694 00:26:59,318 --> 00:27:02,379 Well, after years of being locked in a downhill race 695 00:27:02,446 --> 00:27:03,555 to the bottom, 696 00:27:03,655 --> 00:27:05,891 Carl and Lindsay cautiously slid 697 00:27:05,991 --> 00:27:09,128 into a more peaceful dynamic this season, 698 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:12,431 and at an apres-ski party of all places, 699 00:27:12,564 --> 00:27:15,734 the iciness between these two former flames 700 00:27:15,801 --> 00:27:19,138 thawed into something soft? 701 00:27:19,271 --> 00:27:21,874 [laughing] 702 00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:24,276 - I thought that you would have come to me first 703 00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:26,578 and said, "I'm honestly having, like, second thoughts. 704 00:27:26,712 --> 00:27:29,314 "I think we need to postpone our wedding." 705 00:27:29,448 --> 00:27:33,285 - I just didn't handle any of that situation well at all. 706 00:27:33,385 --> 00:27:35,821 That's the last person I should have ever been like that to. 707 00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:40,125 - Carl, how was the summer of Carl? 708 00:27:40,259 --> 00:27:41,660 Did you feel in the mix? 709 00:27:41,793 --> 00:27:42,661 - I was in the mix. 710 00:27:42,761 --> 00:27:45,831 I made new friends, some friendships shifted. 711 00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:47,332 I got closer to some people. 712 00:27:47,466 --> 00:27:48,667 Um, I had a really, really good time, 713 00:27:48,767 --> 00:27:50,636 and I just felt like I was finally comfortable 714 00:27:50,736 --> 00:27:51,937 in my own skin. 715 00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:54,973 It just felt really good to be me. 716 00:27:55,073 --> 00:27:58,443 - Opening Soft Bar is an incredible accomplishment, 717 00:27:58,577 --> 00:28:00,712 a huge step for you personally. 718 00:28:00,812 --> 00:28:02,381 Congratulations. - Thank you. 719 00:28:02,447 --> 00:28:04,132 - It's been open seven months, right? 720 00:28:04,166 --> 00:28:07,319 - Seven months, yeah. [applause] 721 00:28:07,452 --> 00:28:09,488 - How is business? - It's been good. 722 00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:11,623 To be honest, like, we've had ups and downs for sure. 723 00:28:11,757 --> 00:28:13,792 Jesse's aware of some ups and downs 724 00:28:13,892 --> 00:28:15,661 as an investor of ours. 725 00:28:15,761 --> 00:28:17,454 You know, it's not easy running a brick and mortar business, 726 00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:18,956 as Lindsay, you know, has said, 727 00:28:19,022 --> 00:28:20,532 but the thing is, like, 728 00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:21,967 I have a really good team of people. 729 00:28:22,067 --> 00:28:23,460 Uh, it's not all on me. 730 00:28:23,527 --> 00:28:26,204 But I'm proud that we got our doors open. 731 00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:28,073 It's working. We are making money. 732 00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:30,342 The last month we've been profitable. 733 00:28:30,509 --> 00:28:31,969 Um, tons of events. 734 00:28:32,035 --> 00:28:33,312 Everybody here has pretty much come through 735 00:28:33,412 --> 00:28:34,413 and supported. 736 00:28:34,513 --> 00:28:37,349 - Who here has visited Soft Bar since it opened? 737 00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:39,685 Pretty much everybody? - Pretty much. Yeah, everybody. 738 00:28:39,785 --> 00:28:42,521 - I have to assume that Lindsay's presence 739 00:28:42,688 --> 00:28:44,815 was, uh, meaningful. 740 00:28:44,881 --> 00:28:47,476 Did you feel like you had something to prove to her? 741 00:28:47,542 --> 00:28:48,727 - Yeah, I think deep down. 742 00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:50,829 You know, I know she always-- like, even before we dated, 743 00:28:50,929 --> 00:28:52,464 Lindsay was always, I think, a champion 744 00:28:52,564 --> 00:28:56,159 of wanting me to do well in my career and be happy. 745 00:28:56,226 --> 00:28:58,170 I-- her walking in the door that day, like, 746 00:28:58,236 --> 00:28:59,655 meant the world to me. 747 00:29:00,639 --> 00:29:01,873 - Congratulations. - Wel-welcome. 748 00:29:02,007 --> 00:29:04,576 - I brought you a gift. If you need a hug... 749 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:05,944 - Oh, he should live up there. 750 00:29:06,044 --> 00:29:09,248 Oh, that's so cute. It fits right in. 751 00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:11,675 - I love it. 752 00:29:11,742 --> 00:29:13,385 - Is the teddy bear still on the shelf? 753 00:29:13,485 --> 00:29:15,203 - The teddy bear's upstairs in the office. 754 00:29:15,237 --> 00:29:16,421 - Aaw! 755 00:29:16,555 --> 00:29:18,223 - I really appreciate you showing up. 756 00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:19,958 Um, it was just cool to have you there 757 00:29:20,058 --> 00:29:22,894 because I-I care about you, and I always will. 758 00:29:23,028 --> 00:29:25,197 And having her show up for something like that, 759 00:29:25,297 --> 00:29:26,898 given everything that's gone on, 760 00:29:27,032 --> 00:29:30,202 and my behavior to her, and how things have unfolded, 761 00:29:30,335 --> 00:29:31,570 it just shows who-- you know, who Lindsay is 762 00:29:31,703 --> 00:29:33,605 and her character, and, it's, uh-- 763 00:29:33,739 --> 00:29:35,532 it was really cool. 764 00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:36,608 So, thank you. 765 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:39,211 - Yeah, thank you for saying that. Yeah. 766 00:29:39,311 --> 00:29:41,079 - Are you proud of him? 767 00:29:41,213 --> 00:29:43,415 - Watching this season-- because I wasn't there 768 00:29:43,548 --> 00:29:45,284 all the time, to see it in person. 769 00:29:45,417 --> 00:29:47,119 - Right. - So I do watch it, 770 00:29:47,219 --> 00:29:49,388 as a viewer, sometimes, and, like, 771 00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,214 you seem more in your skin. 772 00:29:51,281 --> 00:29:54,384 You seem more confident, and, like, that is 773 00:29:54,451 --> 00:29:57,296 such a beautiful thing to see. 774 00:29:57,462 --> 00:29:59,431 Like, even, like, knowing you 775 00:29:59,564 --> 00:30:02,067 for as long as I've known you, like, I do think 776 00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:06,505 that you are finally the person you are 777 00:30:06,605 --> 00:30:09,341 supposed to be and always wanted to be. 778 00:30:09,441 --> 00:30:11,902 And like, that-that's a beautiful thing to see. 779 00:30:11,968 --> 00:30:14,146 So, yes, that's what I'm proud of. 780 00:30:14,312 --> 00:30:16,098 - Thank you. 781 00:30:16,131 --> 00:30:18,917 - Jesse, uh, Yasmin from Palm Springs said, 782 00:30:19,017 --> 00:30:20,118 "You crashed and burned 783 00:30:20,252 --> 00:30:22,254 finding a sugar daddy for Lindsay. 784 00:30:22,354 --> 00:30:24,156 Your first pick was a friend of Carl's. 785 00:30:25,482 --> 00:30:26,525 - How are you, brother? 786 00:30:27,926 --> 00:30:28,994 - Who invited you? 787 00:30:30,429 --> 00:30:31,430 - Okay. 788 00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:33,365 - Well, you should have led with that, sweetheart. 789 00:30:33,465 --> 00:30:34,833 - Have you found any other good options 790 00:30:34,966 --> 00:30:36,501 for her since then, 791 00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:38,470 or have none been good enough? 792 00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:40,972 - We did go out on the town one afternoon, 793 00:30:41,106 --> 00:30:42,941 searching, but, uh, yeah, 794 00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:45,010 no-no good options there either. 795 00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:46,578 - So how's the search going? 796 00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:48,513 - Um, terrible. - Terrible. 797 00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:51,133 Are you dating and will we see more of your dating life 798 00:30:51,166 --> 00:30:52,184 on "In the City"? 799 00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:54,820 - You will definitely see it on "In the City". 800 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,121 - Oh, boy. - Can't wait for that. 801 00:30:56,254 --> 00:30:58,857 - Oh, boy. - Cleo from Agoura Hills, California said, 802 00:30:58,990 --> 00:31:02,619 "The recent ad about Carl being a mess was epic. 803 00:31:02,686 --> 00:31:04,896 You went to Carl's apartment to film it? 804 00:31:04,996 --> 00:31:07,032 Were you dragged there? How did it even happen?" 805 00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:08,467 [laughter] Really? 806 00:31:08,567 --> 00:31:11,703 - Um, it happened very quickly. 807 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:15,799 Kyle did a very long Man on the Street interview, 808 00:31:15,866 --> 00:31:19,311 and that was the big takeaway from that interview. 809 00:31:19,411 --> 00:31:20,879 - It's just a lot to take in, man. 810 00:31:20,979 --> 00:31:24,141 Like, this-- it's not just me, Amanda, West. 811 00:31:24,207 --> 00:31:25,884 Yeah, it's like our whole friend group. 812 00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:28,003 I mean, Carl's a mess. 813 00:31:28,036 --> 00:31:30,647 - So I was just like, "Hey, you know what? 814 00:31:30,714 --> 00:31:32,524 Like, let's make light. 815 00:31:32,657 --> 00:31:35,560 Let's bring a light-hearted energy 816 00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:39,656 to a very seemingly dark situation." 817 00:31:39,723 --> 00:31:43,402 - I'm curious, Kyle and Ciara and Amanda and West, 818 00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:46,021 how did you feel about Carl and Lindsay 819 00:31:46,054 --> 00:31:49,207 monetizing your situation? 820 00:31:49,374 --> 00:31:51,343 - I would have never done that to them 821 00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:53,904 during their breakup. 822 00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:55,697 And it did hurt a little bit. 823 00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:57,549 ♪♪ 824 00:31:57,682 --> 00:31:59,918 - Please! Please! Please... 825 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,528 - How did you feel about Carl and Lindsay 826 00:32:09,661 --> 00:32:12,497 monetizing your situation? 827 00:32:12,564 --> 00:32:14,499 - I would have never done that to them 828 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,035 during their breakup. 829 00:32:17,135 --> 00:32:19,696 And it did hurt a little bit. 830 00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:21,973 - Please! Please! Please... 831 00:32:22,107 --> 00:32:23,542 - But I can't help what Kyle says on the streets. 832 00:32:23,675 --> 00:32:24,860 - Amanda, I-I-I-- 833 00:32:24,926 --> 00:32:26,169 - He's also on his tippies making out with 834 00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:27,504 a nice housewife. - But you said you were 835 00:32:27,604 --> 00:32:28,380 making light of a dark situation. - I wasn't on my tippies. 836 00:32:28,513 --> 00:32:29,681 It was deceptive. 837 00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:31,283 - Well, either way, it's like-- - It's the baggy pants. 838 00:32:31,383 --> 00:32:33,118 - She would never-- You would never monetize something, 839 00:32:33,218 --> 00:32:34,678 but you would fuck your friend's ex. 840 00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:36,705 Like, your-your bar is... 841 00:32:36,771 --> 00:32:37,956 We don't know where your bar is. 842 00:32:38,056 --> 00:32:41,059 - Damn. - What was your reaction to the ad? 843 00:32:41,193 --> 00:32:42,878 - I was like, I don't really give a shit, 844 00:32:42,944 --> 00:32:43,887 to be honest. - Kyle? 845 00:32:43,954 --> 00:32:45,856 - I think without seeing it, you're like, 846 00:32:45,956 --> 00:32:46,998 ugh, it's kind of cringe. 847 00:32:47,132 --> 00:32:49,100 And then you watch it, and I thought it was epic, 848 00:32:49,201 --> 00:32:50,669 if I can be honest. [chuckling] 849 00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:52,304 - Also, we've been here for 10 years. 850 00:32:52,404 --> 00:32:55,599 I'm sorry, I can do whatever the fuck I want. 851 00:32:55,699 --> 00:32:57,809 Carl, what was-- - I've been here just as long. 852 00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:58,802 But.. - Okay. 853 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:01,905 Well, I'm not fucking my friend's ex. 854 00:33:02,038 --> 00:33:04,549 And-and also, like, first of all, 855 00:33:04,616 --> 00:33:07,544 I was heavily at that time 856 00:33:07,644 --> 00:33:10,046 in touch with Ciara and Kyle. 857 00:33:10,146 --> 00:33:12,574 Like, every single day. 858 00:33:13,792 --> 00:33:15,193 You know, and just trying to be there 859 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,429 tremendously as a friend to both of them 860 00:33:17,562 --> 00:33:19,080 every single day. 861 00:33:19,147 --> 00:33:20,432 So I was just-- 862 00:33:20,532 --> 00:33:22,626 I was in it with them. - Yeah. 863 00:33:22,726 --> 00:33:25,070 - Like, and I just almost felt like, 864 00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:26,096 okay, well, whatever. 865 00:33:26,229 --> 00:33:27,906 - And Carl's leaving me voicemails in tears, 866 00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:29,666 so I felt the love. - Right. 867 00:33:29,766 --> 00:33:32,177 - It-it-- understand where-wherever the question's coming from. 868 00:33:32,277 --> 00:33:33,670 - Like, as long as they were good, 869 00:33:33,770 --> 00:33:35,263 like, I didn't-- - Yeah, no. 870 00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:36,339 - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. 871 00:33:36,439 --> 00:33:37,474 - I think it was just in the back of my head, 872 00:33:37,574 --> 00:33:38,617 I-I didn't wanna disrespect Ciara or-or Kyle-- 873 00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:39,776 - No, I didn't feel that. - Yeah. 874 00:33:39,910 --> 00:33:40,777 - After everything they've been dealing with. 875 00:33:40,911 --> 00:33:41,678 - Yeah. 876 00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:42,787 - Carl, what was it like being 877 00:33:42,888 --> 00:33:45,624 back on the couch with Lindsay? 878 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:46,892 - It was incredible, honestly. 879 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:49,286 [chuckling] Because we have-- 880 00:33:49,419 --> 00:33:50,595 I really believe Lindsay and I have, 881 00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:53,265 like, incredible chemistry as friends. 882 00:33:53,331 --> 00:33:55,300 I felt a-a really nice bond between us 883 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,952 that I've been wanting. 884 00:33:57,018 --> 00:33:59,738 - Uh, you had to unblock Carl in order to post the ad. 885 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:01,364 - I did. - Did you reblock him, 886 00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:03,458 or is he still unblocked? - He's still unblocked. 887 00:34:03,525 --> 00:34:05,001 - Okay, that's good. - I don't follow him. 888 00:34:05,135 --> 00:34:06,836 [chuckles] - I was going to ask that. 889 00:34:06,937 --> 00:34:09,648 - Well, as Carl has pointed out many times, 890 00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:11,783 he was more than happy to invest 891 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:15,136 in Loverboy back in the day. 892 00:34:15,203 --> 00:34:18,882 But as this season went on, Carl was failing to see 893 00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:20,684 a return on investment 894 00:34:20,817 --> 00:34:22,427 in his friendship with Kyle. 895 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,163 This dynamic led to an explosive crash 896 00:34:25,263 --> 00:34:27,365 between these two longtime friends 897 00:34:27,465 --> 00:34:30,727 at Lindsay's second annual Freedom Dinner. 898 00:34:30,827 --> 00:34:32,320 - I'm fucking losing my mind. 899 00:34:32,387 --> 00:34:34,172 - And here you are making our problems again 900 00:34:34,306 --> 00:34:36,174 the whole group's problem. 901 00:34:36,308 --> 00:34:37,776 - Oh, fuck you. 902 00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:39,010 - Hey, don't say that. 903 00:34:39,144 --> 00:34:40,403 - Fuck everybody! - Just chill out. 904 00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:41,646 - You motherfucker. [gasps] 905 00:34:41,713 --> 00:34:42,981 - Kyle. - Kyle. 906 00:34:43,048 --> 00:34:45,008 - I forgot Carl's more fragile than a fucking china doll. 907 00:34:45,075 --> 00:34:46,251 - What the fuck is wrong with you, Kyle? 908 00:34:46,351 --> 00:34:47,852 - You could've handled that so differently. 909 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,120 - Oh, I'm the bad guy? 910 00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:52,424 - What in the actual fuck just happened? 911 00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:55,193 - Carl, fans have always seen your friendship with Kyle 912 00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:56,920 as the backbone of the house. 913 00:34:57,053 --> 00:34:58,630 But you told Ciara you started to feel 914 00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:00,899 that foundation cracking 915 00:35:00,999 --> 00:35:03,001 even before the summer started. 916 00:35:03,068 --> 00:35:04,194 - Can I-- I mean-- - Yeah. 917 00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:05,837 - I just want to say that 918 00:35:05,904 --> 00:35:08,873 it-it-it pained me so much 919 00:35:08,974 --> 00:35:11,042 to-to-to watch it back, 920 00:35:11,142 --> 00:35:12,344 just to see how upset you were 921 00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:15,714 that I wasn't supporting you in the way that you'd hoped. 922 00:35:15,814 --> 00:35:16,865 And the-the reality was 923 00:35:16,931 --> 00:35:20,385 I just was not in a place to give 924 00:35:20,485 --> 00:35:21,820 as much as you needed in our friendship. 925 00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:23,989 And I hope you understand now 926 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:25,423 better than-- - Absolutely. 927 00:35:25,523 --> 00:35:27,217 - ...you know, back in real time. 928 00:35:27,283 --> 00:35:29,894 - Kyle, you've made comments about being 929 00:35:30,028 --> 00:35:32,881 at the breaking point for years. 930 00:35:32,947 --> 00:35:34,457 This summer was different. 931 00:35:34,557 --> 00:35:37,218 You were as underwater as you've been 932 00:35:37,285 --> 00:35:40,305 in your marriage and in your company, right? 933 00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:42,741 - Yeah. 934 00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:45,226 - Yeah, I told Kyle this morning I was-- 935 00:35:45,293 --> 00:35:46,811 I apologize because I feel like 936 00:35:46,911 --> 00:35:48,738 I really misunderstood him. 937 00:35:48,872 --> 00:35:50,940 And I feel like I was so caught up 938 00:35:51,074 --> 00:35:52,217 in my friendship with Amanda 939 00:35:52,283 --> 00:35:55,070 that I wasn't interested in his s-side at times. 940 00:35:55,136 --> 00:35:57,547 And, like, that wasn't fair to him either. 941 00:35:57,647 --> 00:35:58,923 And like, there's always obviously 942 00:35:59,024 --> 00:36:00,792 two sides to the story. 943 00:36:00,892 --> 00:36:04,262 Um, yeah, and I think that 944 00:36:04,362 --> 00:36:06,598 I could have been a better friend to him. 945 00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:08,033 - And she's not saying, like, oh, Kyle was right. 946 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:09,250 Like, I was not right. 947 00:36:09,317 --> 00:36:10,627 - No, I never said he was right. 948 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,628 - But-but it all, you know-- 949 00:36:11,728 --> 00:36:13,922 - Especially not the way he explodes. 950 00:36:13,988 --> 00:36:16,424 - Yeah. - And, like, the way he talks to people. 951 00:36:16,491 --> 00:36:18,076 - I'm-I'm curious, Amanda, 952 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:20,970 what was your reaction to their fight? 953 00:36:21,104 --> 00:36:22,714 - I mean, I hated to see it. 954 00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:26,451 It's-- I've seen Kyle react in that way 955 00:36:26,551 --> 00:36:29,454 and sling mud and say things that he doesn't mean. 956 00:36:29,554 --> 00:36:30,955 And in the heat of the moment, 957 00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:32,774 he likes to hit people where it hurts. 958 00:36:32,841 --> 00:36:35,110 And it bummed me out that he was doing that 959 00:36:35,176 --> 00:36:38,021 to someone that's been there for him the whole summer. 960 00:36:38,121 --> 00:36:39,898 But when Kyle gets upset, he sees red. 961 00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:42,425 And he doesn't see who he's yelling at. 962 00:36:42,525 --> 00:36:44,360 He just yells. 963 00:36:44,494 --> 00:36:45,528 - At the Freedom Dinner, 964 00:36:45,662 --> 00:36:48,598 West, when Kyle started to get heated, 965 00:36:48,698 --> 00:36:50,200 you physically moved your seat 966 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:53,870 from one end of the table right next to Amanda. 967 00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:55,346 - This is your family, 968 00:36:55,447 --> 00:36:57,615 and you're not making decisions together. 969 00:36:57,749 --> 00:36:59,134 - Can I just say--? - No, I feel I'm under attack. 970 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,885 This is how I felt all summer long. 971 00:37:00,985 --> 00:37:03,638 Fuck you. 972 00:37:03,705 --> 00:37:04,639 - Don't say that. 973 00:37:04,706 --> 00:37:05,640 - If you wanna say fuck you, say it to me. 974 00:37:05,707 --> 00:37:06,649 - Where is this coming from then? 975 00:37:06,783 --> 00:37:08,118 - I'm not even chiming into the conversation. 976 00:37:08,218 --> 00:37:09,728 - It's not her, she-- - Talk to Lindsay. 977 00:37:09,828 --> 00:37:12,188 Don't look at Amanda. You're fine. 978 00:37:12,322 --> 00:37:15,291 - What was going through your head at that moment? 979 00:37:15,391 --> 00:37:18,394 - Um, I think in that moment, 980 00:37:18,528 --> 00:37:22,340 Kyle's anger was towards Ciara and Lindsay 981 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,341 because they were the ones kinda 982 00:37:23,441 --> 00:37:24,509 grilling him and riling him up. 983 00:37:24,609 --> 00:37:27,178 But I kept watching him 984 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:30,498 take his anger out on Amanda. 985 00:37:30,565 --> 00:37:34,986 And I wanted Amanda to know I had her back 986 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:37,622 when, like, I thought Kyle was being... 987 00:37:37,756 --> 00:37:38,857 a dickhead. 988 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:43,178 ♪♪ 989 00:37:47,665 --> 00:37:50,927 - I wanted Amanda to know I had her back 990 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:53,429 when, like, I thought Kyle was being... 991 00:37:53,563 --> 00:37:54,622 a dickhead. 992 00:37:54,756 --> 00:37:58,710 ♪♪ 993 00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:00,912 - So a-a couple things, just in terms of, like, 994 00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:03,239 my behavior at the dinner table. 995 00:38:03,339 --> 00:38:05,175 I take full accountability. 996 00:38:05,275 --> 00:38:07,844 Like, I don't care how low I am 997 00:38:07,944 --> 00:38:09,621 and how much is going wrong in my life, 998 00:38:09,754 --> 00:38:11,790 I-I-I'm embarrassed 999 00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:13,883 by my poor reaction 1000 00:38:13,950 --> 00:38:16,786 and-and letting myself spiral. 1001 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,688 And, you know, I think-- 1002 00:38:18,788 --> 00:38:20,932 I-I think that, like, I was hurt 1003 00:38:21,065 --> 00:38:22,934 and, like, hurt people hurt people. 1004 00:38:23,034 --> 00:38:25,470 And I said, "Eff you," because I felt like 1005 00:38:25,537 --> 00:38:27,797 I was getting shot from all angles. 1006 00:38:27,931 --> 00:38:30,775 And Amanda was silent. 1007 00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:32,468 And I kind of felt like she was just letting 1008 00:38:32,602 --> 00:38:33,611 everybody do her dirty work. 1009 00:38:33,745 --> 00:38:35,713 But no one actually knows the truth, 1010 00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:36,873 and no one-- - Mmm... 1011 00:38:36,973 --> 00:38:38,816 - They-they just didn't have the right information. 1012 00:38:38,883 --> 00:38:40,251 - Were you mad at Lindsay, 1013 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:41,419 who started it? - Yeah, so-- 1014 00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,655 - I mean, it was-- - I was definitely instigating, 1015 00:38:43,721 --> 00:38:45,790 but it wasn't-- - But you're going off of, like, what you-- 1016 00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:48,151 - It was coming from a place of, 1017 00:38:48,251 --> 00:38:50,053 honestly, protecting Amanda. 1018 00:38:50,153 --> 00:38:51,721 - I don't think I was aware-- - And I'm sorry for instigating it. 1019 00:38:51,821 --> 00:38:53,832 I just was trying to understand. 1020 00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:56,125 - Amanda, uh, Maureen from LA said, 1021 00:38:56,226 --> 00:38:57,460 "In the past, the men of the house 1022 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,395 always seemed to give Kyle a pass 1023 00:38:59,495 --> 00:39:00,838 when he's been nasty." - Yeah. 1024 00:39:00,972 --> 00:39:02,674 - "We saw West really stand up for you 1025 00:39:02,807 --> 00:39:04,334 after Kyle said, 'Fuck you.' 1026 00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:05,635 Was that the first time you felt like 1027 00:39:05,735 --> 00:39:07,478 a man in the house respected you?" 1028 00:39:07,579 --> 00:39:10,682 - That's-- Yeah, I felt like that our friendship was-- 1029 00:39:10,748 --> 00:39:12,951 It was outside of just castmates. 1030 00:39:13,051 --> 00:39:14,752 Like, it felt like this-- 1031 00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:16,012 someone, like, actually cared 1032 00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:17,513 and saw me and saw this, 1033 00:39:17,647 --> 00:39:20,283 and it was nice to have a guy stand up to Kyle. 1034 00:39:20,350 --> 00:39:22,527 I've had my friends do it, the girls in the house. 1035 00:39:22,594 --> 00:39:24,629 For so long, I've tried to do it. 1036 00:39:24,729 --> 00:39:26,089 And it just felt different that there was 1037 00:39:26,189 --> 00:39:28,600 a guy trying to talk to him, man-to-man. 1038 00:39:28,733 --> 00:39:30,193 - A guy that's never been in a relationship 1039 00:39:30,326 --> 00:39:31,870 his entire adult life. 1040 00:39:32,003 --> 00:39:33,004 - But I-- but that doesn't mean that he can't-- 1041 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:34,097 - That doesn't change not recognizing that 1042 00:39:34,197 --> 00:39:35,039 saying, "Fuck you," to your wife is bad. 1043 00:39:35,106 --> 00:39:36,341 - Right, but-- okay. - And-and helping you 1044 00:39:36,474 --> 00:39:37,876 try to apologize to me-- - It's not that great. 1045 00:39:37,942 --> 00:39:39,535 - I'm just saying. - ...By saying, don't say, "But," after. 1046 00:39:39,669 --> 00:39:40,712 - I-I have a lot of people weighing in 1047 00:39:40,778 --> 00:39:43,948 on my marriage that can't relate. 1048 00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:46,451 - We got a lot of comments about the Cartier watch, 1049 00:39:46,551 --> 00:39:48,486 Kyle, that you gifted Amanda 1050 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,221 on your birthday. - Yes. 1051 00:39:52,156 --> 00:39:53,316 [gasps] 1052 00:39:53,383 --> 00:39:56,119 - Okay, this is really pretty. 1053 00:39:56,219 --> 00:39:59,889 Wait, I really like it. 1054 00:40:00,023 --> 00:40:01,032 - Yes, Kyle! 1055 00:40:01,165 --> 00:40:03,059 - Done well. - Yes, Kyle! 1056 00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,004 Fuck yeah! Fuck, yeah, Kyle! 1057 00:40:06,137 --> 00:40:08,573 [cheers] 1058 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:11,542 - West, we got a lot of comments 1059 00:40:11,643 --> 00:40:15,413 about you comparing Kyle to "The Wolf of Wall Street". 1060 00:40:15,513 --> 00:40:17,582 - If I see someone give a fucking nice gift 1061 00:40:17,715 --> 00:40:18,750 to fucking someone, 1062 00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:20,243 it's because they're probably fucking shitty 1063 00:40:20,343 --> 00:40:21,386 in every other way possible. 1064 00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:22,887 Like in "Wolf of Wall Street," when he starts 1065 00:40:22,987 --> 00:40:24,380 fucking banging hookers every day 1066 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,316 is when he buys her a fucking yacht. 1067 00:40:26,416 --> 00:40:27,817 Gifts are bad. 1068 00:40:27,917 --> 00:40:28,818 - Walk me through that. 1069 00:40:28,918 --> 00:40:30,053 Were you comparing Kyle's gift 1070 00:40:30,153 --> 00:40:32,230 to something that came from a place of guilt? 1071 00:40:32,363 --> 00:40:34,090 - No, I was just-- 1072 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:35,825 I was fired up in that confessional. 1073 00:40:35,925 --> 00:40:37,802 And that was-- 1074 00:40:37,869 --> 00:40:39,562 Kyle gave her the watch and then called her 1075 00:40:39,662 --> 00:40:42,473 a dumb fucking bitch the day after. 1076 00:40:50,907 --> 00:40:54,452 - I made a-a dramatic metaphor, 1077 00:40:54,585 --> 00:40:56,279 which, I-I-- watching it back 1078 00:40:56,379 --> 00:40:58,014 was much more harsh than I thought. 1079 00:40:58,114 --> 00:40:59,357 - It was fucked up, West. 1080 00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:01,117 - Yeah, it was hardcore. 1081 00:41:01,217 --> 00:41:03,594 - That was like the one highlight of my summer 1082 00:41:03,728 --> 00:41:05,396 and you kind of took that from me. 1083 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:06,431 I enjoyed giving that to her, 1084 00:41:06,564 --> 00:41:07,899 even if our marriage didn't work out. 1085 00:41:08,032 --> 00:41:09,600 - I was happy in the moment for you as well. 1086 00:41:09,701 --> 00:41:11,627 I was disappointed that you cussed her out 1087 00:41:11,761 --> 00:41:13,271 immediately after that watch. 1088 00:41:13,371 --> 00:41:14,897 And I took it too far in the confessional. 1089 00:41:14,964 --> 00:41:16,607 I am very sorry. - I-- Look, I-I-- 1090 00:41:16,741 --> 00:41:18,109 - And the metaphor, I was trying to be funny. 1091 00:41:18,242 --> 00:41:20,278 And it was a bad metaphor because it was about 1092 00:41:20,378 --> 00:41:21,637 something that you weren't doing. 1093 00:41:21,738 --> 00:41:22,572 And that's my fault. 1094 00:41:22,638 --> 00:41:24,482 - Were you trying to make me look extra bad 1095 00:41:24,582 --> 00:41:26,150 because you'd already started hooking up with Amanda? 1096 00:41:26,284 --> 00:41:27,452 - Don't ask me if I'm making you look extra bad 1097 00:41:27,552 --> 00:41:29,754 when you said, "You dumb fucking bitch," to Amanda. 1098 00:41:29,887 --> 00:41:30,822 This isn't like-- 1099 00:41:30,955 --> 00:41:32,648 I said something that I'm taking back. 1100 00:41:32,782 --> 00:41:34,792 It was too far. I apologize. 1101 00:41:34,926 --> 00:41:37,754 But, like, let's not make it, like, the confessional. 1102 00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:39,897 - Kyle, what was your reaction to watching the show 1103 00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:43,659 and seeing who criticized your treatment of Amanda? 1104 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,303 Were you surprised that people weren't saying 1105 00:41:45,403 --> 00:41:47,171 more to your face overall? 1106 00:41:49,207 --> 00:41:51,109 [sighs] - I mean... 1107 00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:52,443 I-I think there were plenty of people 1108 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,445 talking to me and-and criticizing me. 1109 00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:56,381 I think it's just-- It felt-- 1110 00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:00,843 I-- uh, I-- 1111 00:42:00,977 --> 00:42:02,787 You-you weren't the only person there 1112 00:42:02,887 --> 00:42:04,822 when I utter my-- under my breath. 1113 00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:06,015 You guys made it sound like I'm this, 1114 00:42:06,149 --> 00:42:08,151 like this, like, abusive husband. 1115 00:42:08,251 --> 00:42:09,485 I said under my breath, "Eff you," 1116 00:42:09,585 --> 00:42:11,462 after I felt like I got the Eff you. 1117 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:13,489 And-- - You can't defend it. 1118 00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:14,465 - I'm-I'm not trying to defend it. 1119 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:15,825 - You were in the bathroom alone with her. 1120 00:42:15,925 --> 00:42:16,667 - I'm not trying to defend it. I've apologized for it. 1121 00:42:16,768 --> 00:42:17,668 And I'll apologize again. - Okay. 1122 00:42:17,769 --> 00:42:19,370 - I'm embarrassed by my behavior. 1123 00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:20,505 But like my-- no, my point is-- - But that's not the first time 1124 00:42:20,605 --> 00:42:21,531 you've ever spoke to me that way. 1125 00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:22,840 - West felt the need to insert him in-- 1126 00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:24,534 into the convers-- insert himself into the-- 1127 00:42:24,634 --> 00:42:25,768 - That was the first time you spoke to me that way 1128 00:42:25,868 --> 00:42:27,637 in front of other people. - She was crying. 1129 00:42:27,703 --> 00:42:29,147 - Amanda, every time we've been 1130 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,315 in a-in a-- in a fight at home, 1131 00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:33,876 you-- it was not a one way street, okay? 1132 00:42:33,976 --> 00:42:35,019 - There's a lot of times where it was. 1133 00:42:35,153 --> 00:42:37,046 - For once, someone besides Ciara needed to say, like, 1134 00:42:37,146 --> 00:42:39,056 "That was inappropriate. Go say sorry." 1135 00:42:39,123 --> 00:42:40,283 - Okay. - It wasn't even, like, a fight. 1136 00:42:40,383 --> 00:42:41,717 I just said go apologize. 1137 00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:43,386 - So, Kyle, uh, we're seeing 1138 00:42:43,486 --> 00:42:46,230 how things played out between you two, 1139 00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:48,366 uh, this past fall on "In the City", 1140 00:42:48,466 --> 00:42:49,859 but I wanna rewind even further. 1141 00:42:49,959 --> 00:42:51,135 - Mm-hmm. 1142 00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:54,230 - Uh, what was it about the start of the summer 1143 00:42:54,330 --> 00:42:56,007 that felt different 1144 00:42:56,140 --> 00:43:00,203 from your previous nine together? 1145 00:43:00,303 --> 00:43:02,213 - I mean, we weren't in a good place. 1146 00:43:02,346 --> 00:43:04,549 Um, that's no lie. 1147 00:43:04,649 --> 00:43:07,518 I think what really just threw me for a loop 1148 00:43:07,652 --> 00:43:10,388 was, like, night one of filming, 1149 00:43:10,521 --> 00:43:11,923 you know, we s-sit down for dinner 1150 00:43:12,023 --> 00:43:14,325 and, I mean, Amanda knows music's 1151 00:43:14,425 --> 00:43:15,918 a big part of my life. 1152 00:43:16,018 --> 00:43:19,530 She knows that despite my not jumping up for joy 1153 00:43:19,664 --> 00:43:21,257 with her wanting to s-start a swimsuit line, 1154 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:22,758 she knew I would be there for her 1155 00:43:22,859 --> 00:43:26,028 and help her, which I did. 1156 00:43:26,095 --> 00:43:30,867 And so for her to say I started DJing to spite her 1157 00:43:30,933 --> 00:43:32,577 really hit me where it hurts. 1158 00:43:32,677 --> 00:43:34,445 - Kyle, I wanna know about your DJ career. 1159 00:43:34,579 --> 00:43:35,538 - Oh, God. 1160 00:43:35,605 --> 00:43:36,672 - I'll tell you when it started. 1161 00:43:36,772 --> 00:43:37,615 - In the womb. 1162 00:43:37,715 --> 00:43:38,774 - I wanted to start my own business. 1163 00:43:38,908 --> 00:43:40,776 He got so mad about it that he decided 1164 00:43:40,877 --> 00:43:42,920 that he wanted to be a DJ to spite me, 1165 00:43:43,054 --> 00:43:45,389 and then he became a DJ. - That is an amazing summary of events. 1166 00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:47,425 - Tell me where I went wrong. 1167 00:43:47,558 --> 00:43:48,593 - I'm like, you know that's not true. 1168 00:43:48,726 --> 00:43:52,396 And-and that was how... the summer started. 1169 00:43:52,497 --> 00:43:54,232 Like, you set the tone. 1170 00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:55,958 And I was like, whoa. - I mean, the tone was set 1171 00:43:56,092 --> 00:43:58,461 when you slept at a f-fan's apartment. 1172 00:43:58,594 --> 00:43:59,770 - There was a night... 1173 00:43:59,871 --> 00:44:01,797 where he went out with his brother. 1174 00:44:01,931 --> 00:44:03,074 His brother went home. 1175 00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:06,644 Kyle fell asleep at some, like, fan's apartment 1176 00:44:06,777 --> 00:44:08,279 that-that was having a house party. 1177 00:44:08,412 --> 00:44:09,480 - What? 1178 00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:11,182 - And came home at, like, 6:30 in the morning. 1179 00:44:13,943 --> 00:44:15,645 - And I went into the summer 1180 00:44:15,745 --> 00:44:17,622 frustrated with you. 1181 00:44:17,755 --> 00:44:21,058 - How soon before was that incident? 1182 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:22,126 How soon before the summer? - That was February. 1183 00:44:22,226 --> 00:44:23,427 - It was-it was February. - It was February. 1184 00:44:23,528 --> 00:44:24,629 And I didn't sleep there, okay? 1185 00:44:24,762 --> 00:44:25,796 I was there 'til very, very late. - Had you just started-- 1186 00:44:25,897 --> 00:44:26,998 Had you just found out about it? 1187 00:44:27,131 --> 00:44:28,090 - He-he fell asleep. 1188 00:44:28,157 --> 00:44:30,326 - I was sitting on a couch... 1189 00:44:30,459 --> 00:44:31,936 'til like 5:00-something in the morning. 1190 00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:34,338 There was probably 15 fans there. 1191 00:44:34,438 --> 00:44:36,507 It was an after party for a "Watch What Crappens" show. 1192 00:44:36,607 --> 00:44:39,502 - He came-he came home at 7:00 in the morning 1193 00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:40,978 and I didn't know where he was 1194 00:44:41,078 --> 00:44:42,947 and hadn't heard from him. 1195 00:44:43,047 --> 00:44:46,350 So as-- when your husband does that to you, 1196 00:44:46,484 --> 00:44:47,677 it sticks with you. 1197 00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:50,321 I wasn't in the best place going into the summer. 1198 00:44:50,421 --> 00:44:51,856 I was frustrated. 1199 00:44:51,956 --> 00:44:54,016 - Was the sleeping at the fan place, 1200 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:55,918 was that a turning point for you? 1201 00:44:56,018 --> 00:44:57,695 - That was a big one, where it was like, 1202 00:44:57,795 --> 00:45:00,256 how are we still here where you're staying out 1203 00:45:00,356 --> 00:45:01,933 to the point where you're falling asleep 1204 00:45:02,066 --> 00:45:03,801 at pla-- people's homes 1205 00:45:03,868 --> 00:45:05,661 and then waking up at random hours to come home. 1206 00:45:05,761 --> 00:45:06,804 - Okay, again, I did not fall asleep. 1207 00:45:06,871 --> 00:45:07,872 This was an after party. 1208 00:45:08,005 --> 00:45:09,031 - You fell asleep. - I said that I fell asleep 1209 00:45:09,131 --> 00:45:11,867 because I was pretty much zoned out on a couch. 1210 00:45:11,968 --> 00:45:12,977 - Okay, well, that's what you told me. 1211 00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:14,103 - But let me just make sure that's what's clear. 1212 00:45:14,203 --> 00:45:17,607 Most nights where I go out and have a-have a bender, 1213 00:45:17,707 --> 00:45:20,443 it's when you were supposed to be with me, and you bow out. 1214 00:45:20,543 --> 00:45:22,378 For years, our entire marriage, 1215 00:45:22,511 --> 00:45:23,713 you want this, you want that. 1216 00:45:23,846 --> 00:45:25,990 Like, "I don't wanna go out. I-I wanna move to the suburbs. 1217 00:45:26,123 --> 00:45:28,718 I want..." Everything you want is-- 1218 00:45:28,818 --> 00:45:30,886 Or told me you wanted, now is a lie. 1219 00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:32,730 - N-Nothing has changed. 1220 00:45:32,863 --> 00:45:34,724 - Amanda, you've been going out 'til 4:00 in the morning, 1221 00:45:34,824 --> 00:45:37,560 twice a week, every-- - I'm single! 1222 00:45:37,693 --> 00:45:38,869 It's a different world. - Well, it was-- 1223 00:45:39,003 --> 00:45:39,895 it was more about-- I think it was-- 1224 00:45:39,996 --> 00:45:40,830 I think what Kyle's trying to say-- 1225 00:45:40,896 --> 00:45:41,872 - I'm also-- - It was more about the fact 1226 00:45:42,006 --> 00:45:44,342 that your biggest gripe with him for 10 years 1227 00:45:44,408 --> 00:45:45,735 has been that he-- - Never been going-- 1228 00:45:45,835 --> 00:45:47,411 - He goes out too late. - Too late. 1229 00:45:47,545 --> 00:45:48,846 - He drinks too much. - And he drinks too much. 1230 00:45:48,946 --> 00:45:51,415 - And he sleeps at fans' houses. - Exactly. 1231 00:45:51,515 --> 00:45:52,750 But it's never been "He goes out." 1232 00:45:52,883 --> 00:45:54,018 - He-he-- and I understand. I-I know. 1233 00:45:54,151 --> 00:45:56,821 But it's the fact that, like, now you're doing that... 1234 00:45:56,921 --> 00:45:58,581 - Uh, 'cause I'm single. I'm not married to someone 1235 00:45:58,714 --> 00:45:59,749 that I have to go home to. - Well no-- 1236 00:45:59,882 --> 00:46:01,250 - But you're also dating someone who also goes out. 1237 00:46:01,384 --> 00:46:02,418 - I don't think that-- Well, that's what 1238 00:46:02,518 --> 00:46:03,419 I'm interested in. - But you also chose the guy 1239 00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:05,429 who's, like, Kyle 2.0, but also not. 1240 00:46:05,496 --> 00:46:08,065 - But you-- that's-- - Like, Kyle, younger, 1241 00:46:08,165 --> 00:46:12,103 on steroids. - Do you worry, though, that-- 1242 00:46:12,236 --> 00:46:15,865 I mean West is someone who's a Good Time Charlie 1243 00:46:15,931 --> 00:46:17,066 who likes to go out. [laughing] 1244 00:46:17,166 --> 00:46:19,243 And that was your thing with Kyle, 1245 00:46:19,343 --> 00:46:21,178 that he was out every night. - It's like the hypocrisy 1246 00:46:21,278 --> 00:46:22,647 is absurd. - It wasn't that he was out 1247 00:46:22,713 --> 00:46:25,116 every night. It was the-- 1248 00:46:25,249 --> 00:46:27,610 That he would come home blacked out 1249 00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:29,920 and there'd be rumors about him all the time. 1250 00:46:30,021 --> 00:46:31,622 - But I thought you hate going out. 1251 00:46:31,756 --> 00:46:33,449 I thought you hate... - No-- uh, yeah, 1252 00:46:33,549 --> 00:46:35,926 I hated going out with Kyle. - Yeah! 1253 00:46:36,027 --> 00:46:38,929 - Oh. Damn. - And I've made that very clear. 1254 00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:40,064 And you can watch all the seasons 1255 00:46:40,131 --> 00:46:41,298 where I say that. - I'm sorry. 1256 00:46:41,432 --> 00:46:43,401 - So-So, when you guys went out two weeks ago, 1257 00:46:43,501 --> 00:46:46,128 and you went to bar hopping across all of New York 1258 00:46:46,228 --> 00:46:47,530 and whatever... - Hold on, hold on. 1259 00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:49,298 - So, I-- - Kyle, what's going on? 1260 00:46:49,432 --> 00:46:51,434 - No, I said I hated going out with him 1261 00:46:51,534 --> 00:46:53,444 because he would get so drunk and we'd get in fights. 1262 00:46:53,577 --> 00:46:54,470 - Give me a break! 1263 00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:56,605 This kid parties twice as hard as I do. 1264 00:46:56,706 --> 00:46:57,973 - Okay, well, that's not what I've experienced with him. 1265 00:46:58,107 --> 00:46:59,408 - And I say "kid" 'cause you are the most immature, 1266 00:46:59,475 --> 00:47:02,144 fraudulent phony I've ever met. - Okay. 1267 00:47:02,278 --> 00:47:03,504 Kyle-- - So shut the fuck up! 1268 00:47:03,637 --> 00:47:11,120 ♪♪ 1269 00:47:13,564 --> 00:47:14,965 - But I thought you hate going out? 1270 00:47:15,099 --> 00:47:16,801 I thought you hate-- - No-- uh, yeah. 1271 00:47:16,934 --> 00:47:18,969 I hated going out with Kyle. 1272 00:47:19,103 --> 00:47:20,004 - Give me a break! 1273 00:47:20,137 --> 00:47:21,972 This kid parties twice as hard as I do. 1274 00:47:22,106 --> 00:47:23,174 - Okay, well, that's not what I've experienced with him. 1275 00:47:23,341 --> 00:47:25,267 - And I say "kid" 'cause you are the most immature, 1276 00:47:25,334 --> 00:47:27,670 fraudulent phony I've ever met. - Okay. 1277 00:47:27,803 --> 00:47:29,814 Kyle-- - So shut the fuck up! 1278 00:47:29,947 --> 00:47:32,483 - Kyle... 1279 00:47:32,616 --> 00:47:34,819 - I thought I knew you, man. 1280 00:47:34,952 --> 00:47:38,956 I've had an outpouring of people tell me, uh, 1281 00:47:39,056 --> 00:47:43,694 "Yeah, that guy isn't who he says he is." 1282 00:47:43,794 --> 00:47:45,029 - Wha-- In what way? - And that's the thing. 1283 00:47:45,129 --> 00:47:49,834 I've been going back and forth between feeling concerned 1284 00:47:49,967 --> 00:47:53,537 and feeling betrayed by both them. 1285 00:47:53,671 --> 00:47:55,039 And I will say, like, 'cause there's a lot of 1286 00:47:55,206 --> 00:47:57,208 conspiracy theories thinking that we had split, 1287 00:47:57,341 --> 00:47:59,376 and we held it together for cameras. 1288 00:47:59,543 --> 00:48:02,513 We split the day we put the statement out. 1289 00:48:02,613 --> 00:48:04,382 Quite frankly, we never even had a conversation about, 1290 00:48:04,515 --> 00:48:05,649 like, okay, "We-We separated 1291 00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:08,219 to create the space to try to date each other again. 1292 00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:09,353 Failed miserably." 1293 00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:10,721 The only conversation we had about, like, 1294 00:48:10,888 --> 00:48:14,316 are we officially ending things 1295 00:48:14,383 --> 00:48:15,893 was when we wrote the statement. 1296 00:48:16,026 --> 00:48:17,928 I, like, sent it to my mom 'cause she's an English teacher. 1297 00:48:18,028 --> 00:48:19,530 She's like, "Wait, are you-- 1298 00:48:19,697 --> 00:48:22,400 Like, this is, like, this is the end." 1299 00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:24,068 - Right. - Like, t-this reads-- 1300 00:48:24,235 --> 00:48:26,737 And I'm like, "Well, yeah, I guess that's the conclusion." 1301 00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:28,205 It's like -- You were like, "Yeah, we gotta go. 1302 00:48:28,339 --> 00:48:29,540 We gotta put it out today. We gotta put it out today." 1303 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:30,908 - No, I'll tell you exactly why. 1304 00:48:31,008 --> 00:48:31,834 I'll tell you. - But it was like-- 1305 00:48:31,901 --> 00:48:32,743 I was like, the day we decided 1306 00:48:32,877 --> 00:48:33,844 what we were gonna say was the day we-- 1307 00:48:33,944 --> 00:48:35,212 - No, I had made up my mind before that. 1308 00:48:35,379 --> 00:48:36,363 - And I didn't even have a chance-- 1309 00:48:36,397 --> 00:48:37,081 Yeah, well, Amanda, I didn't have a chance 1310 00:48:37,214 --> 00:48:38,883 to tell my family. - Okay. 1311 00:48:38,983 --> 00:48:40,084 - We-- you were like, "We gotta push send 1312 00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:42,253 within the hour." I'm like... 1313 00:48:42,353 --> 00:48:45,890 - But I made up my mind about our separation 1314 00:48:46,023 --> 00:48:47,183 on New Year's Day. 1315 00:48:47,249 --> 00:48:48,517 And you know exactly what happened then. 1316 00:48:48,584 --> 00:48:49,919 - Well, having watched the footage from the summer, 1317 00:48:50,052 --> 00:48:50,895 it was very clear you -- 1318 00:48:50,995 --> 00:48:52,696 You went into the summer with zero intention 1319 00:48:52,830 --> 00:48:56,066 t-to continue trying and making an effort. 1320 00:48:56,233 --> 00:48:57,935 - I made up my mind. 1321 00:48:58,102 --> 00:49:00,704 The nail in the coffin was New Year's Day for me. 1322 00:49:00,838 --> 00:49:01,906 And that's when I realized-- - Okay, well, 1323 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:03,390 there's a lot of nails that go into a coffin. 1324 00:49:03,424 --> 00:49:04,575 That was the final one? - I didn't want an entire-- - Why? 1325 00:49:04,675 --> 00:49:05,876 What happened on New Year's Day? - I didn't want-- 1326 00:49:06,010 --> 00:49:08,279 Kyle and I were, like, bickering, whatever. 1327 00:49:08,379 --> 00:49:09,513 I didn't go to New Year's with him. 1328 00:49:09,613 --> 00:49:10,898 I spent it by myself. 1329 00:49:10,931 --> 00:49:13,784 He spent it DJing at a restaurant, whatever. 1330 00:49:13,884 --> 00:49:15,586 I woke up the next morning, 1331 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,756 I saw that he was a-- in a hotel at Hoboken. 1332 00:49:18,923 --> 00:49:21,292 I'm going into 2026, wanting to, like, 1333 00:49:21,459 --> 00:49:23,627 have a fresh start, and he's doing the same shit 1334 00:49:23,794 --> 00:49:26,297 that he was doing that was pissing me off before. 1335 00:49:26,430 --> 00:49:28,766 So I waited until everyone was back in the office, 1336 00:49:28,899 --> 00:49:30,768 and I contacted Bravo PR immediately. 1337 00:49:30,868 --> 00:49:32,303 And I said, "I want to put out a statement 1338 00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:34,238 because I don't want people watching this season 1339 00:49:34,338 --> 00:49:36,240 thinking that Kyle and I are still together 1340 00:49:36,373 --> 00:49:38,976 after I was treated this way the whole time." 1341 00:49:42,213 --> 00:49:44,915 - I'm curious, did this group hear rumors 1342 00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:48,118 about Kyle and other women during his time on Summer House 1343 00:49:48,219 --> 00:49:49,420 or In The City? 1344 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,488 - Did we hear about him with other women? 1345 00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:52,773 - Yeah, rumors. Yes. - Yeah. 1346 00:49:52,806 --> 00:49:55,584 - Um, before they were married, obviously. 1347 00:49:55,651 --> 00:49:57,461 - Obviously, I spent a lot of time with Kyle, like, 1348 00:49:57,595 --> 00:50:00,965 from 2018 to 2022-23, even, like, 1349 00:50:01,131 --> 00:50:02,233 when we were working together. 1350 00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:03,834 Was-- Would Kyle get pretty drunk at some events? 1351 00:50:03,968 --> 00:50:05,402 Yes, but I didn't-- 1352 00:50:05,502 --> 00:50:07,037 I was concerned because he was drunk, 1353 00:50:07,137 --> 00:50:09,290 but I really don't believe he was stepping out 1354 00:50:09,323 --> 00:50:10,140 in those moments. 1355 00:50:10,274 --> 00:50:11,675 Was he a little too wasted? Sure. 1356 00:50:11,842 --> 00:50:13,127 - There were times that he did and a lot of times 1357 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,345 that he was inappropriate. 1358 00:50:14,478 --> 00:50:16,313 But at the end of the day there were a shit ton of rumors 1359 00:50:16,413 --> 00:50:17,281 that came in. - But it's also -- 1360 00:50:17,381 --> 00:50:18,649 W-What is inappropriate? Apparently, it's-- 1361 00:50:18,749 --> 00:50:21,685 - There's been so many rumors and so many DMs over the years. 1362 00:50:21,785 --> 00:50:23,320 - That you never go out with me. You made me -- 1363 00:50:23,487 --> 00:50:25,122 - But there's rumors about West all the time! 1364 00:50:25,256 --> 00:50:26,524 - Our entire marriage I was - We're married, Ciara! 1365 00:50:26,657 --> 00:50:27,825 Him and I were married. - Okay, so-- 1366 00:50:27,958 --> 00:50:29,193 - You never came to anything with me. 1367 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,261 - West was single, so he could do what he wants. 1368 00:50:30,361 --> 00:50:31,954 This is when Kyle and I were married. 1369 00:50:32,021 --> 00:50:33,297 That was a -- That broke us up. 1370 00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:35,165 - A-are still married. - You never did anything with me. 1371 00:50:35,332 --> 00:50:39,403 - Um, Kyle, since you've been married to Amanda, 1372 00:50:39,503 --> 00:50:42,172 have you been faithful to her? 1373 00:50:42,306 --> 00:50:45,809 - No. - Since you've been married. 1374 00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:48,679 - There has been times when I've been out 1375 00:50:48,779 --> 00:50:51,473 and I've been inappropriate. I will own it. 1376 00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:53,050 Did I ever have an affair? No. 1377 00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:55,144 Did I ever sleep with someone? No. 1378 00:50:55,210 --> 00:50:58,389 Like, have I been, like, completely starved 1379 00:50:58,489 --> 00:51:00,391 and deprived of anything and everything from you? 1380 00:51:00,491 --> 00:51:03,060 Yeah, and I-I've acted out. 1381 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,064 - What's your understanding of this? 1382 00:51:07,197 --> 00:51:09,333 - He has stepped out of the marriage 1383 00:51:09,433 --> 00:51:10,593 while we were together. 1384 00:51:10,759 --> 00:51:16,941 ♪♪ 1385 00:51:22,972 --> 00:51:24,315 - Did I ever have an affair? No. 1386 00:51:24,381 --> 00:51:26,083 Did I ever sleep with someone? No. 1387 00:51:26,216 --> 00:51:27,685 Have I been, like, completely starved 1388 00:51:27,851 --> 00:51:29,820 and deprived of anything and everything from you? 1389 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,548 Yeah, and I-I've acted out. 1390 00:51:32,648 --> 00:51:35,326 - What's your understanding of this? 1391 00:51:35,392 --> 00:51:37,394 - He has stepped out of the marriage 1392 00:51:37,461 --> 00:51:39,697 while we were together. 1393 00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:42,866 - What does that mean? Like kissing? Kissing people? 1394 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:44,635 Ear stuff? 1395 00:51:44,735 --> 00:51:46,303 - After we were married, there was a time 1396 00:51:46,403 --> 00:51:48,038 that you were at a party asking a girl 1397 00:51:48,138 --> 00:51:49,707 if you could kiss her, make out with her. 1398 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,742 She DM'd me on a personal level. 1399 00:51:51,875 --> 00:51:53,344 That was my point. 1400 00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:54,878 That was my issue with you going out, 1401 00:51:55,045 --> 00:51:56,997 was you putting yourself in these positions. Yes. 1402 00:51:57,097 --> 00:51:58,115 - Okay, can I just say something? 1403 00:51:58,182 --> 00:51:58,882 - Yeah. We've talked about this for years. 1404 00:51:59,016 --> 00:51:59,883 - Have I been inappropriate? Yes. 1405 00:52:00,050 --> 00:52:01,243 - Making out is fully cheating on your wife. 1406 00:52:01,343 --> 00:52:02,386 - I'm not-- No, I didn't make out. 1407 00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:03,654 Thank you, Bailey. - You did. 1408 00:52:03,754 --> 00:52:05,222 - Uh, no, I did not. I asked one chick, I got-- 1409 00:52:05,255 --> 00:52:06,390 - With the girl in the club. There was a video. 1410 00:52:06,523 --> 00:52:09,593 - I got-- Okay, apparently-- - I saw. I was sent it. 1411 00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:10,728 That's the night you went out with Taylor and Jeff. 1412 00:52:10,828 --> 00:52:12,454 - A lot of lines are blurred around here. 1413 00:52:12,521 --> 00:52:14,565 - Well, I mean, like, we have a very unhappy marriage 1414 00:52:14,698 --> 00:52:17,017 where there's no needs being met. 1415 00:52:17,117 --> 00:52:20,804 - How many years was it that needs were not being met? 1416 00:52:20,871 --> 00:52:21,739 - Four. - Four years? 1417 00:52:21,872 --> 00:52:24,308 - The entire time. The entire time. 1418 00:52:24,375 --> 00:52:27,544 - What's up with you and Salley from Southern Charm? 1419 00:52:27,611 --> 00:52:29,380 Is that a thing? Did you guys hook up? 1420 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,622 - We -- no, no. We had -- there was -- 1421 00:52:30,656 --> 00:52:32,716 - You made out on the night of the Summer House premiere. 1422 00:52:32,783 --> 00:52:33,784 Don't lie. 1423 00:52:33,851 --> 00:52:35,019 - The night before. - The night before. 1424 00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:36,720 - And when I found that out-- And when I found that out, 1425 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:39,281 I immediately called Amanda. - You did. You did. 1426 00:52:39,381 --> 00:52:41,125 - And I told her that Kyle was making out with Salley. 1427 00:52:41,258 --> 00:52:42,226 And I thought that that was crazy. 1428 00:52:42,292 --> 00:52:43,260 I thought it was absurd. - It's insane. 1429 00:52:43,394 --> 00:52:44,762 - No, I just am making an example of, like, 1430 00:52:44,895 --> 00:52:46,864 how good of a friend I was to you 1431 00:52:46,964 --> 00:52:48,766 and how you're a friend to me. 1432 00:52:48,899 --> 00:52:51,035 So I just want to point that out. 1433 00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:54,129 - Kyle, you and Meghan King Edmonds. 1434 00:52:54,229 --> 00:52:56,373 What is that? [chuckles] 1435 00:52:56,473 --> 00:52:58,742 - Uh, well, I just met her. - Okay. 1436 00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:00,878 - Um, s-she, uh-- I was like, 1437 00:53:00,978 --> 00:53:02,471 "Oh, finally some-some Bravo family in the mix." 1438 00:53:02,571 --> 00:53:04,782 I didn't know who she was. Introduced myself. 1439 00:53:04,948 --> 00:53:09,219 Um, we ended up at a Page Six party, 1440 00:53:09,319 --> 00:53:10,721 then an after party. 1441 00:53:10,821 --> 00:53:12,322 I could kind of sense things. 1442 00:53:12,389 --> 00:53:14,525 People were looking at us and we-- 1443 00:53:14,591 --> 00:53:16,794 I was like, "Let's go across the street." 1444 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,154 I thought I got f-far enough away. 1445 00:53:19,254 --> 00:53:21,999 Clearly, I didn't. And yeah, she-- 1446 00:53:22,066 --> 00:53:24,635 She was like, "Listen, I know you're going through a divorce." 1447 00:53:24,735 --> 00:53:27,104 She kind of opened up to me about what she's going through. 1448 00:53:27,204 --> 00:53:28,439 I think that's literally when I was, like, 1449 00:53:28,539 --> 00:53:31,475 holding her shoulders. 1450 00:53:31,608 --> 00:53:34,978 Uh, gave her a kiss tonight. - That was it? 1451 00:53:35,012 --> 00:53:36,271 - Yeah. - Okay. 1452 00:53:36,371 --> 00:53:37,648 - On his tippies. - By the way, 1453 00:53:37,781 --> 00:53:38,615 I wasn't on my tippy toes. 1454 00:53:38,682 --> 00:53:40,818 If you look, I just had baggy pants. 1455 00:53:40,884 --> 00:53:42,152 She is tall, though. - She's very tall. 1456 00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:43,220 - She is tall. - But I was-- 1457 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,055 My-my heels never left the ground. 1458 00:53:45,122 --> 00:53:47,291 Analyze the tapes. - It looked -- 1459 00:53:47,391 --> 00:53:51,295 Looked like a Michael Jackson, like, Thriller music video. 1460 00:53:51,395 --> 00:53:53,130 - Kyle and Amanda, do you think your relationship 1461 00:53:53,197 --> 00:53:57,134 would have survived as long as it did without the show? 1462 00:53:57,234 --> 00:54:00,062 Was Summer House your way of communicating with each other? 1463 00:54:00,129 --> 00:54:03,907 - I will say our communications was so bad, 1464 00:54:03,974 --> 00:54:05,042 I think it helped us communicate 1465 00:54:05,175 --> 00:54:07,111 because in this environment, you have to talk. 1466 00:54:07,211 --> 00:54:08,479 You have to talk through your problems. 1467 00:54:08,579 --> 00:54:11,315 And so we would have, like, six months of issues 1468 00:54:11,381 --> 00:54:12,983 that were unresolved, and we'd come in 1469 00:54:13,083 --> 00:54:17,321 and do our best to try to talk through them, you know, in-- 1470 00:54:17,421 --> 00:54:19,490 without the whole house. 1471 00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:22,326 So I think in a way, it was our form of therapy, 1472 00:54:22,426 --> 00:54:24,795 as crazy as that sounds. 1473 00:54:26,463 --> 00:54:29,066 - Okay, and we are gonna break for lunch, everybody. 1474 00:54:29,166 --> 00:54:31,068 Back at 2:30. - What time is it? 1475 00:54:31,201 --> 00:54:32,836 - 1:38. 1476 00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:35,239 - Let's get me some lunch time. - Get some lunch. 1477 00:54:35,305 --> 00:54:37,141 ♪♪ 1478 00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:39,493 - Well, glad to be popping your reunion cherry with you. 1479 00:54:39,593 --> 00:54:40,878 - Thanks, baby. 1480 00:54:40,944 --> 00:54:42,746 - This is frustrating. 1481 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,417 I'm also so fucking tired of them being like, 1482 00:54:47,484 --> 00:54:51,121 "But you're married. But you're married." 1483 00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:54,024 It just-- like, so fucking frustrating. 1484 00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:55,359 Because they knew how miserable we were 1485 00:54:55,459 --> 00:54:56,994 in that relationship, and he treated me 1486 00:54:57,094 --> 00:54:58,362 like absolute shit. 1487 00:54:58,462 --> 00:55:00,130 And it's not just the way he spoke to me on camera. 1488 00:55:00,230 --> 00:55:01,999 It's the way spoke to me off, too. 1489 00:55:02,099 --> 00:55:04,401 But he's going to sit there and cry 1490 00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:05,702 while he's making out with other people 1491 00:55:05,803 --> 00:55:10,299 and going on dates and-and no one gives a shit about that. 1492 00:55:10,365 --> 00:55:12,192 - Yeah, I mean, Kyle hooked up with someone 1493 00:55:12,292 --> 00:55:14,812 before you ever did. - Literally. 1494 00:55:14,912 --> 00:55:16,480 - Yeah. 1495 00:55:20,818 --> 00:55:22,553 - Oh, yeah. 1496 00:55:22,653 --> 00:55:26,156 - Like, that's annoying. 1497 00:55:26,223 --> 00:55:27,891 [phone ringing] 1498 00:55:27,991 --> 00:55:32,429 [muttering] 1499 00:55:32,563 --> 00:55:36,266 - Hi. - Hi. 1500 00:55:36,366 --> 00:55:40,237 - Thanks. - How are you feeling? 1501 00:55:40,337 --> 00:55:42,773 - Better. I was like, "I better not cry on that stage." 1502 00:55:42,906 --> 00:55:45,609 And I got it all out before I got on stage, 1503 00:55:45,742 --> 00:55:47,844 and, like, then when I saw them, 1504 00:55:47,945 --> 00:55:50,981 I got all pissed and so... - Yeah. 1505 00:55:51,114 --> 00:55:54,785 - Um, okay, let me give you a little recap. 1506 00:55:54,952 --> 00:55:57,321 They don't even look like they like each other up here. 1507 00:55:57,387 --> 00:55:59,323 Like, he-- She's taking-- 1508 00:55:59,389 --> 00:56:02,826 She's taking the brunt of it. He's staying quiet. 1509 00:56:02,893 --> 00:56:04,244 Like, we could predict. 1510 00:56:04,344 --> 00:56:06,230 - Well, I mean, we could've guessed, yeah. 1511 00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:08,198 - He, like, will jump in occasionally, 1512 00:56:08,298 --> 00:56:10,601 but, like, isn't trying to save her. 1513 00:56:10,701 --> 00:56:14,438 Barely, like... Yeah. 1514 00:56:14,538 --> 00:56:18,208 - Do you want me to hop in more? Or do you-- 1515 00:56:19,810 --> 00:56:20,978 - Okay. 1516 00:56:21,078 --> 00:56:24,039 - I think I have to just attempt to speak for myself. 1517 00:56:24,106 --> 00:56:25,983 - I can tell, like, Ciara gets under your skin 1518 00:56:26,116 --> 00:56:29,653 really, really, really fast and that's, like, the-- her goal. 1519 00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:30,921 - Yeah. 1520 00:56:31,021 --> 00:56:36,326 - And I think just breath, apologies. 1521 00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:38,262 - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 1522 00:56:38,362 --> 00:56:40,464 - And then, like, delivering it simple 1523 00:56:40,564 --> 00:56:45,602 will help with composure. - Yeah, yeah. 1524 00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:50,207 - I mean, you acted like any person who's being cornered. 1525 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:53,577 - Yeah. 1526 00:56:55,712 --> 00:56:59,583 - But I mean, that's-- That's normal. 1527 00:57:04,988 --> 00:57:08,383 - And don't, like, sound snippy. 1528 00:57:08,483 --> 00:57:10,585 - Yeah. 1529 00:57:10,652 --> 00:57:13,263 [sighs] 1530 00:57:15,232 --> 00:57:17,200 - Like, from a morality standpoint, 1531 00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:18,802 I'm like, I don't understand. - Yeah. 1532 00:57:18,902 --> 00:57:21,471 Kyle just walked in. - Hi. 1533 00:57:21,571 --> 00:57:23,073 - Hi, Kyle. How are you? - How are you? 1534 00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:24,074 Can I ask you a quick question? 1535 00:57:24,207 --> 00:57:26,877 So, from your understanding, like, 1536 00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:30,881 was it clearly defined when you guys were exclusive? 1537 00:57:31,048 --> 00:57:33,884 - Yeah, we were literally dating last summer, 1538 00:57:33,984 --> 00:57:35,886 like, while you guys were filming, like, 1539 00:57:35,953 --> 00:57:38,155 he referred to me as his girlfriend all the time. 1540 00:57:38,255 --> 00:57:40,891 Like, we just weren't in a public relationship. 1541 00:57:41,024 --> 00:57:42,009 We had, like-- - I mean, 1542 00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:44,094 you built all the furniture in his house. 1543 00:57:44,161 --> 00:57:46,863 - Literally was at his house, like, every weekend 1544 00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:48,565 that he was filming. 1545 00:57:48,732 --> 00:57:51,268 We knew we were in an exclusive relationship. 1546 00:57:51,335 --> 00:57:53,070 I go over there the night before 1547 00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:55,405 Watch What Happens Live. Everything was so fine. 1548 00:57:55,539 --> 00:57:58,141 He was, like, telling me how much he loves me 1549 00:57:58,241 --> 00:58:00,844 and, like, everything was just totally fine. 1550 00:58:00,944 --> 00:58:02,279 - Did he say-- ever say why 1551 00:58:02,346 --> 00:58:04,247 he didn't wanna make it public or, like-- 1552 00:58:04,381 --> 00:58:05,682 - Yeah, she texted me this-- The receipts. 1553 00:58:05,782 --> 00:58:07,718 - Yeah, it's-- - He blames the show. 1554 00:58:07,784 --> 00:58:09,686 Which is-- 1555 00:58:09,786 --> 00:58:13,523 Which, by the way-- 1556 00:58:13,623 --> 00:58:16,626 Which is a great excuse to you, who's not in it. 1557 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,378 You don't know the politics. 1558 00:58:18,478 --> 00:58:20,397 That's bullshit. - Yeah. 1559 00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:23,325 - And, like, the other reason he would use, too, 1560 00:58:23,392 --> 00:58:25,102 was, like, if I bring you into this, 1561 00:58:25,168 --> 00:58:28,397 like, obviously, that's just like 1562 00:58:28,497 --> 00:58:30,941 putting you in a situation where it's like, 1563 00:58:31,108 --> 00:58:32,476 now people have eyes on you 1564 00:58:32,542 --> 00:58:34,678 and they're having opinions about you and, like... 1565 00:58:34,778 --> 00:58:36,513 - Feels manipulative because, like... 1566 00:58:36,580 --> 00:58:38,615 - And then also just, like, in hindsight, 1567 00:58:38,749 --> 00:58:40,617 I'm like, "Okay, so you were concerned about 1568 00:58:40,784 --> 00:58:43,078 people maybe, like, pitting me against Ciara, 1569 00:58:43,178 --> 00:58:47,574 if I ever came on the show as, like, your public girlfriend. 1570 00:58:47,674 --> 00:58:50,794 But you're very comfortable just, like, dumping me. 1571 00:58:50,961 --> 00:58:53,063 And then all of a sudden popping out the next day 1572 00:58:53,163 --> 00:58:55,465 and in a relationship with Amanda and letting-- 1573 00:58:55,565 --> 00:58:58,001 - Who's one of my close friends. 1574 00:58:58,135 --> 00:59:00,604 - I'm just left on my own to figure that out by myself. 1575 00:59:00,704 --> 00:59:03,432 Like... - He's manipulating. 1576 00:59:03,532 --> 00:59:05,442 - That's just, like, so fucking hurtful. 1577 00:59:05,509 --> 00:59:08,211 Like, I didn't ask to be thrown in this situation. 1578 00:59:08,311 --> 00:59:09,813 - Yeah. 1579 00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:12,682 - Our relationship is just that easy for him to, like, 1580 00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:16,019 completely discredit, like... 1581 00:59:16,153 --> 00:59:17,938 - At least it's almost over. 1582 00:59:18,038 --> 00:59:18,989 - Like, we'll-- We-we're about to 1583 00:59:19,022 --> 00:59:21,258 go confront him, and I don't-- Like how-- 1584 00:59:21,358 --> 00:59:24,828 Can you call her on the set? 1585 00:59:24,928 --> 00:59:27,831 - I think it'll get a little bit easier. 1586 00:59:27,931 --> 00:59:28,632 - We'll be able to talk 1587 00:59:28,732 --> 00:59:30,567 since you're not physically here. 1588 00:59:30,634 --> 00:59:31,868 - Thank you for having my back. 1589 00:59:31,935 --> 00:59:35,238 ♪♪