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Oh, man.
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So, uh, as to, uh...
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We're gonna sit here, Mr. Putin.
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I'm gonna sit here.
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I will come around,
and we can meet here.
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We'll meet about here.
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Descend from the balcony.
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‐I like it better from there...
‐Okay.
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'Cause it gives you some depth.
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In fact, there's a bar
back there if you'd like.
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No, further back, further back.
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Okay.
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All right, ready?
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Now pretend like
we don't know each other.
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And we're‐‐ Pretend we haven't
seen each other in months.
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Okay. And action.
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Action.
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Tell him "action" in Russian.
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Okay.
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Where's my AD? Come on.
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Action!
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He went into another meeting.
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Oh, there he is.
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Oh, that's very kind of you.
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Here.
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Thank you, Mr. President.
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How have you been?
It's been a long time.
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‐Sugar. ‐Sugar?
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Without sugar here.
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Uh, it's been quite
a lot of activity
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the last few months.
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My country, uh,
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America has had an election.
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Donald Trump won.
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This...
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This is your fourth president.
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Am I right?
Your fourth president.
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Mr. Clinton...
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Mr. Bush...
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Mr. Obama, and now,
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the fourth one.
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What changes?
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Is that your feeling, in between
all the four presidents?
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Yeah.
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Is there any possibility,
a hope of change
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with Mr. Trump?
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Wow. That's very Russian.
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Very Dostoyevsky.
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Vladimir Putin himself
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directed the covert
cyberattacks.
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This is not just an attack
against me and my campaign,
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this is an attack
against our country.
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US intelligence believes
that the cyberattack
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on the e‐mail of the
Democratic National Committee
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was ordered by the Russian
president himself, Vladimir Putin.
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In early September, when I saw
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when I saw President
Putin in China,
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I felt that
the most effective way
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to ensure that
that didn't happen...
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was to talk to him directly.
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And tell him to cut it out,
and there were gonna be
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some serious consequences
if he didn't.
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The election has been
heavily criticized.
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And the narrative
as written by the West
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has now become that Russia
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interfered in this election,
to the benefit of Mr. Trump.
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Yes. So why, why did you bother
to hack the election then?
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Sadly...
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the American Dream...
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is dead.
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Donald J. Trump is calling
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or a total and complete shutdown
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of Muslims entering
the United States,
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until our country's
representatives
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can figure out
what the hell is going on.
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Build that wall!
Build that wall!
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But, you know,
even Trump has said
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the Russians hacked
the election. That was a quote.
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As far as hacking,
I think it was Russia,
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but I think we also get hacked
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by other countries
and other people.
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If Putin likes Donald Trump,
guess what folks?
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That's called an asset,
not a liability.
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Now, I don't know
that I'm gonna get along
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with Vladimir Putin.
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I hope I do, but there's
a good chance I won't.
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And if I don't,
do you honestly believe
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that Hillary would be tougher
on Putin than me?
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Does anybody in this room
really believe that?
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Well, this all seems to me
still historically enormous.
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I've never seen where
the two leading parties,
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the intelligence agencies,
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and, uh, the political
leadership of NATO
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believe this story that
Russia hacked the election.
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It's enormous. I mean...
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Have you read
the 25‐page report?
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It details Russian cyberattacks
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against not just the
Democratic National Committee,
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but the White House
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the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
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the State Department,
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even American companies.
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Some hacks, successful.
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Others, thwarted.
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And, uh, it seems, Senator McCain
for example, today or yesterday,
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was proposing a veto,
a Senate veto,
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of any lifting of sanctions
from Trump, in advance.
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Putin is a killer.
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There is no moral equivalence
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between the United States
and Putin's Russia.
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I repeat, there is
no moral equivalent
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between that butcher
and thug and KGB colonel
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and the United States
of America, the country...
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that Ronald Reagan used to
call a shining city on a hill.
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"Carthage must be destroyed."
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Russia has been accused
of enormous treachery now.
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This is a major charge.
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The media repeats it
and repeats it,
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and it seems to have entered into
the lexicon in the United States.
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It's just taken for granted.
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You can say Russia hacked
the election,
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and many people say
Trump is, uh,
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in the Kremlin's pocket,
has a debt to the Kremlin.
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So you, you see
where this leads to.
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It makes a situation impossible,
very difficult for Mr. Trump,
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if indeed he intends
to correct relations,
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to reset relations.
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Many people are frustrated,
who agree
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that this hacking charge
is fraudulent.
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Many people agree
with Julian Assange,
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who has a pretty solid record
going back to 2006.
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We can say, um,
we have said, repeatedly,
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uh, over the last two months,
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uh, that our source, uh,
is not the Russian government,
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uh, and it is not state party.
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Well, it seems to me that if you
know their tricks, you could make
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some kind of statement
about cyberwarfare
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and give specifics
of why this was not possible,
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and why there
should have been a trace.
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I mean, there's many different
avenues you can explore.
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It seems as if
Russia doesn't care
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about defending itself
to these accusations.
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They're letting them fly by
and saying business as usual.
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Well, is there any evidence,
uh, in cyberspace
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that Russia can present
in its defense?
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So, right now,
he's waiting it out.
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At the same time, you know, Mr. Trump
has called, on more than one occasion,
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for another massive US military buildup
in both nuclear and conventional,
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which makes no sense to me.
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I mean, how can America spend
more than it's already spending?
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Do you have any hopes
of a meeting, uh,
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sometime in the coming months
with Mr. Trump?
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But how is he going to work with the intelligence
agencies if the intelligence agencies
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are telling him that
Russia hacked the election?
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It's a dead end.
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If, uh, Mr. Trump called for...
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wanted to declassify
or see the files on Ukraine,
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all the files,
all the files on Syria,
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and see the origins
of these problems,
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is there a possibility of that,
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that he might change
some of his thinking?
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When is the next G20 meeting?
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So that, theoretically, would be the first
time they'd ever see each other if they did?
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I gather you've had
two phone calls with him?
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And I gather, uh...
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some of the talk may
have been about terrorism?
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Right. Right. I understand.
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Uh... was there US interference
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in the 2012 election in Russia?
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We have programs both inside
Russia and outside Russia.
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To work with those
Russian activists
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who want to work with us, to
try to strengthen rule of law,
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to try to strengthen
a free press.
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We have a large number
of Russian journalists
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who've actually fled this,
uh, fled Russia now,
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who are working with us
and with others in Europe,
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to try to ensure there is,
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um, independent
Russian language news,
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uh, inside‐‐ going back
into the country.
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We also work on lege‐‐
uh, LGBT rights
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and other things inside Russia
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with those who want
to work with us.
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Yes. Was there cyberinterference
in the 2012 election?
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Let's clarify it, 'cause
cyberwarfare is here with us.
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We've started down that
road a few years ago.
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We have entered into
a new phase of conflict,
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in which we use a cyberweapon
to create physical destruction.
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In the movie I did, Snowden,
there's a scene‐‐
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and Snowden, uh,
told me this story‐‐
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he's in Japan.
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NSA wanted to impress
the Japanese,
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show them our reach.
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They were not as thrilled
to learn that we wanted them
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to help us spy
on the Japanese population.
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They said it was
against their laws.
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Of course, we tapped
the entire country anyway.
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And we didn't stop there,
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'cause once we owned
their communications system,
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we started going after
the physical infrastructure.
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We'd slip these little sleeper
programs into power grids, dams,
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hospitals, and the idea was,
if the day came
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when Japan was
no longer an ally,
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it'd be lights out.
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And it wasn't just the Japanese.
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We were planting malware
in Mexico, Germany,
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Brazil, Austria.
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I mean, China I can understand,
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or Russia or Iran,
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Venezuela, okay, but...
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- ‐Austria?
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You're also being ordered
to follow most world leaders
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and heads of industry.
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You know,
you're tracking trade deals,
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sex scandals, diplomatic cables
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to give the US an advantage
in negotiations at the G8
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or leverage
over Brazilian oil companies,
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or helping to oust
some third world leader
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who's not playing ball.
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And ultimately,
the truth sinks in
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that no matter what justification
you're selling yourself,
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this is not about terrorism.
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Terrorism is the excuse.
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This is about economic
and social control.
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And the only thing
you're really protecting
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is the supremacy
of your government.
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If I'm saying that they're planting
malware in Japanese infrastructure
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to destroy
power stations, railroads,
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close the country down,
black it out‐‐
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the Russians are
miles ahead of me.
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They must realize
the dangers here,
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and they must've been working
on them for some time,
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uh, to prevent such a situation
from happening to Russia,
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'cause that would do
the obvious,
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one of the obvious enemies
of the United States.
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Yeah. I buy that.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Well, we're talking‐‐ I mean,
in real time, we're talking like,
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if Snowden is saying
the US is doing this
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to an ally in 2007,
with Japan, 2008,
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if they're planting malware in allies‐‐
do you understand what I'm saying?
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What are they doing with their‐‐
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people like China,
Russia, Iran, and so forth?
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I mean, you understand my point
is that Russia had to be aware
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as early as 2007 that the US
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was planting malware.
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The United States
will not admit it,
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but it's known that in 2010,
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we succeeded in planting
the Stuxnet virus in Iran.
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By the fall of 2010,
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the consensus was that Iran's top
secret uranium enrichment plant
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at Natanz was the target,
and that Stuxnet
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was a carefully constructed weapon,
designed to be carried into the plant
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on a corrupted laptop
or thumb drive,
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then infect the system,
disguise its presence,
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move through the network
changing computer code,
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and subtly alter
the speed of the centrifuges
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without the Iranians
ever noticing.
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Sabotage by software.
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Were there attacks on Russia
as early as 2007, '06, '05?
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Yeah, yeah.
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As late as what year?
As late as...
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Okay.
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Yes.
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And then what happened?
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I mean, when did Russia
build up its cybercapabilities?
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I would imagine Russia
is having an ongoing battle
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with the United States,
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secret battle,
with cyberwarfare.
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I would imagine United States is
trying to do things to Russia,
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and Russia was trying to defend itself,
and do things to the United States.
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Okay.
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Well, he's, he's acting funny
about this story.
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Like he's guilty a bit.
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You look like a fox who just
got out of the henhouse.
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- A few weeks ago on RT,
- I saw a report.
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It was not followed up on, it
disappeared after a day or two,
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but in that report,
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20 plus countries
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were reported as being part
of a botnet attack
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on the banking system
in Russia, six major banks.
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This seems to be of such a magnitude that
it was‐‐ this was after the election.
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It points to a possible US attack
on Russia's banking system.
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It's a gigantic piece
of business.
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I mean, you have Mr. Biden,
first of all, who says,
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we will attack Russia
in the same manner
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as they attacked us
in this election.
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We're sending a message.
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We have the capacity to do it
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and he'll know it,
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and it'll be at the time
of our choosing
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and under the circumstances
that have the greatest impact.
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And Mr. Obama seconded that.
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I think there is no doubt
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that when any foreign government
tries to impact
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the integrity of our elections
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that... we need to take action.
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And we will, at a time and place
of our own choosing.
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Some of it may be, uh,
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explicit, and publicized,
some of it may not be.
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Um, but Mr. Putin is well aware
of my feelings about this,
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because I spoke
to him directly about it.
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This is outrageous conversation,
but those are big words.
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They're from the vice president,
and then from the president.
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They're serious people.
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So something happened
before inauguration day.
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Well, you're making light of it,
but in view of how much money
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we have invested in cyberwarfare
and our cybercommand,
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it seems like
a serious threat to me.
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I have the feeling
that he's playing it down,
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because something did happen,
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and he doesn't want
to reveal it,
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and... because
of sensitive relations.
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No. I'm worried that,
you know, I would hate‐‐
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I believe that cyberwarfare
can lead to a hot war.
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Uh, I, I really believe that,
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because of the past.
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The Stuxnet virus came very close
to creating chaos in the world.
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I think this is very
dangerous, very dangerous,
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and I think
we're playing with fire.
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I know. Well, you're obviously
sitting on some information.
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I understand why you may not
want to make it public.
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But are we gonna be able to
handle the capabilities of this?
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It seems to me that
what happened in Iran
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could be as serious in its
way as what happened in 1945
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at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
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It was the beginning
of a new age.
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It seems to me it's secret war,
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but no one knows who started it,
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no one knows if it was
a proxy country,
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if it was North Korea
that hacked Sony,
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that, you know,
these rumors go around.
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But if all the lights go out in Russia
overnight, there'd be a tremendous fear
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in Russia, as there would be
in the United States,
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and people wouldn't know
who did it.
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Oh!
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Yeah.
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A treaty.
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Perhaps this is something that Mr. Trump and Mr.
Putin can really open up.
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John Reed, the only American
buried in the Kremlin.
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Played by Warren Beatty
in the wonderful movie Reds.
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He wrote about the revolution.
He was here in 1917‐18.
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He cared deeply about socialism
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and founded the American
Communist Party.
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Not that that was evil or anything,
it was quite idealistic,
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'cause it was a worker's‐‐ the workers
had a lot of strikes going on in the US,
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and there was a lot of opposition
from the corporations.
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00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:26,240
And he was considered a hero
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by many, many people.
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00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:31,330
Of course,
he was against World War I,
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as were many pacifists
and decent people.
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And out of World War I
came the Russian Revolution,
352
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which is an interesting comment
on the role of empires.
353
00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:43,760
Now we're coming up
onto Lenin's tomb.
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I visited here many years ago,
but regulations don't permit us
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to go in
and photograph anything.
356
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,690
You know, the interesting issue
about Lenin's tomb
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is the fact that, uh, next year
is the hundredth anniversary
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of the revolution.
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00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:01,570
So, this is a big event.
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Many people revere him in all
the cities of the Soviet Union,
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He has many, many statues.
362
00:37:08,330 --> 00:37:12,950
On the other hand, with the
failure of Communism in 1991
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and the resulting pain
to the population,
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there's also
very divided feelings about
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whether to honor him on the
hundredth anniversary or not.
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It's a good time
to maybe let him go,
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because if indeed his karma's
in here, and he's in a grave,
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I would hate‐‐ I'd hate to
think I'd have to hang around
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a hundred more years
and be watched by everybody.
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00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:34,680
I think you'd get‐‐ you should
get a moment off, you know?
371
00:37:34,690 --> 00:37:38,770
So that you can go off
and ingest a new karma.
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When you go in, it's a very...
it's a very austere experience.
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They keep it quiet. There's a guard
that's always there, uh, or two.
374
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,120
Uh, and, uh, you have a little,
you're not rushed
375
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,080
like in a lot of places,
you're rushed around a lot.
376
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,660
They give you time, and you,
377
00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:58,580
you sit, you watch,
you listen, you think.
378
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:00,590
It's a very powerful experience.
379
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Brezhnev.
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- ‐Felix Dzerzhinsky.
- Dzerzhinsky.
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00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:10,600
‐Andropov. ‐Yuri Andropov.
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00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,850
The most famous, uh, villain
in history next to Adolf
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00:38:14,850 --> 00:38:17,350
according to many people,
Joseph Stalin.
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00:38:17,350 --> 00:38:20,060
To the people on the,
of the revolution
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00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:25,030
on the left, for which, uh,
Communism meant a change,
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00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:27,650
better change for the workers,
he was a disaster in the sense
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00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:32,120
that he left a horrible
reputation, uh, and stained
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00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,620
the ideology forever.
389
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:38,620
Uh... it's mixed with blood
and, and terror.
390
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:42,750
But he did play a huge role in World
War II and was a very close ally
391
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,170
with, uh, the US
during World War II.
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00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:47,550
Mr. Trotsky, no?
Where is he? Ask‐‐
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00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:49,130
No Trotsky, right?
394
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:53,140
Stalin, uh, managed to erase,
uh, Trotsky's memory.
395
00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:57,390
He ended up being killed
in Mexico by Stalin's agents.
396
00:38:57,390 --> 00:38:58,390
Let's go.
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00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:03,610
- On Stalin.
- He said that, you know,
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00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:06,320
he's said negative things
about Stalin,
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00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,110
uh, and of course, he's widely
condemned in the world.
400
00:39:09,110 --> 00:39:14,660
But, at the same time, we all know that he
lead, uh, Russia to victory over Germany,
401
00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:16,450
over fascism.
402
00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:18,660
And, uh, what does
he make of that,
403
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:21,830
by, uh... let's say
that ambiguity?
404
00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:26,010
‐ ‐Why?
405
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:29,050
He can discuss it tomorrow
if he wants.
406
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:11,170
Birthmarks.
407
00:42:40,070 --> 00:42:42,310
And your father and your
mother admired him, right?
408
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,080
And when did his parents die?
409
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:04,560
Were they proud of him?
410
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:09,290
I mean, your mother and father
couldn't believe it, right?
411
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:34,040
"My president coming,"
let's see. Yeah, that's nice.
412
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,730
The US, uh, accusations are
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00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:54,770
essentially that
you've created a system
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00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:57,780
of centralization
authoritarianism,
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00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:01,700
what they call an
oligarchic state capitalism.
416
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:02,700
On the other hand,
they were quite pleased,
417
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:06,330
of course,
with the 1990s Russia...
418
00:44:06,330 --> 00:44:10,580
where the older‐‐
where the oligarchs thrived,
419
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:11,540
and then before you came in,
420
00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:14,040
and then you, you knocked out
421
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,880
or derailed several of them,
by your own.
422
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,260
You told me that story, that you
had a meeting, uh, in Moscow,
423
00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:22,930
and you made the point
in this meeting that
424
00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:25,930
there was a responsibility
to the people and to the state.
425
00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:28,810
So, uh, the Western elite says
426
00:44:28,810 --> 00:44:34,560
that you have put
your oligarchs into the power
427
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,730
in these last 15 years.
428
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:40,280
Whereas these old oligarchs are
sitting in places like London.
429
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,530
They admit that they've
accumulated great wealth...
430
00:44:43,610 --> 00:44:47,370
but they say that you've
lead them to the wealth
431
00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:48,990
and that you've shared in it,
432
00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:53,000
that you are, in fact, the single
richest person in the world.
433
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:59,920
Not since, uh, Rockefeller,
Morgan, or Onassis or‐‐
434
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,880
You may laugh,
and I appreciate it.
435
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:08,260
But as a leader of your people, like, uh,
Chavez or Castro, or many other people
436
00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:10,680
who've been accused
of corruption,
437
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,440
is there some way you could make
your personal wealth clearer?
438
00:47:32,370 --> 00:47:34,530
So, there is, uh,
439
00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:36,410
no bank accounts in Cyprus.
440
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:42,580
I would imagine.
441
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:48,300
Well, I have to say from
personal observation that, uh,
442
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:51,550
I would have a hell of a lot
more fun if I was rich.
443
00:48:48,070 --> 00:48:52,900
If you run again in 2018
and you win,
444
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:57,240
you will be in power
another six years, till 2024.
445
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:02,500
You would have been in power
as president and prime minister
446
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:06,630
for 24 years,
longer than Roosevelt,
447
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:10,250
less than Castro,
who was close to 50 years,
448
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:14,590
and close to Stalin,
who was, give or take, 30 years.
449
00:49:14,590 --> 00:49:18,510
Now, 27 years.
450
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:20,470
Does that not scare you?
451
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:23,810
Do you not get used to power?
452
00:49:23,810 --> 00:49:26,770
Uh, does it distort
your point of view?
453
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:31,860
Do you feel that Russia
needs you that badly?
454
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:35,320
Can there not be
a healthy competition
455
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,240
among successors
inside the system?
456
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,830
The Chinese one‐party system
being an example,
457
00:49:41,830 --> 00:49:44,460
of competition within the party.
458
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:46,870
The successors are checked out
459
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,170
for many years as party members
in different provinces.
460
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:58,430
Yes, that's true.
461
00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:56,110
I understand that. I said "if."
462
00:50:57,860 --> 00:51:01,320
If‐‐...
463
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,370
And of course, no matter what,
you know, um,
464
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:08,580
democracy itself, whatever
we call it, is flawed.
465
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:11,540
And America's system is,
is hardly perfect.
466
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,960
We know that money
buys power in America.
467
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,800
Certainly Russia has
a flawed system.
468
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,470
It is very like‐‐ unlikely that the
next election will convince the world
469
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:24,600
that, uh, this is a democracy,
a functioning democracy,
470
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,350
unless international monitors
were brought in,
471
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:29,730
as Mr. Chavez did in Venezuela.
472
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:33,480
And it became
a really transparent process.
473
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:46,910
That is a dangerous
argument, because, uh...
474
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:48,580
it works both ways.
475
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:53,750
Those who abuse power always say
it's a question of survival.
476
00:52:57,150 --> 00:53:02,610
Mr. Putin, I don't doubt for one moment
your love and pride in serving Russia.
477
00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:04,950
It is clear that you are
a son of Russia to me
478
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:07,490
and that you've done
very well by her.
479
00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:10,950
But I think we all know
the price of power.
480
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:12,080
And when we're in power,
481
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,710
too long, no matter what,
we feel the people need us,
482
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:19,750
but at the same time,
we've changed,
483
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:22,470
and we don't even know it
sometimes, or recognize it.
484
00:53:39,570 --> 00:53:41,070
Okay.
485
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,820
So, uh, what time is it?
486
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:50,700
Thank you, Mr. Putin.
487
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:20,360
‐Beaten? ‐Beaten. No?
488
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,730
Oh, yes, I've been beaten.
489
00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:31,280
Oh sure. Yeah. No.
490
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,740
I know. But it's worth it.
It's worth it
491
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:36,120
if it brings some more peace
and consciousness to the world.
492
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:38,370
Thank you so much.
493
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:40,710
Thank you so much.
Thank you. Come back.
494
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:42,880
I will.
495
00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:50,220
Lovely time.
496
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,260
‐All the best. ‐Thank you.
497
00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:55,310
Thank you. Bye‐bye.
498
00:54:56,430 --> 00:54:59,190
Our American "partner."
499
00:54:59,190 --> 00:55:01,980
It's their favorite word.
He's used it a thousand times.
500
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:06,070
‐Thank you, Dmitry.
‐All the best.
501
00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:08,240
‐See you later. ‐Yeah. Next
time it'll be relaxing.
502
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:09,280
See you.
503
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,610
Thank you so much.
504
00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:12,530
Good luck
with the military tonight.
505
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:13,730
Take some time off after that.
506
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:22,540
Bye‐bye.