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TANYA: <i>Hello, I'm Tanya Hart,
and welcome to our show.</i>

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My guest today has experienced
truly horrendous life

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to just be 20 years old.

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His family portrait
could well be a poster

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for America's Most Wanted.

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Please welcome
a very streetwise young man

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who wants to make a difference
for all Black people.

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- What's up?
- Tupac Shakur.

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Welcome to our show.

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Thank you. I love it.

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Boy, you know,
I gotta tell you,

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I heard about
what happened to you

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as a young man.

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In retrospect, how would you say

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that your life has been?

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I would say it's been
like a test on my faith.

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You know what I'm saying?
You know how,

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I guess his name was Job
in the Bible,

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who God just did all of this
crazy stuff to him

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just to make sure
his faith was straight.

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And that's how it was.
It made me--

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If I didn't have
all of this stuff,

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I don't think that my feet
would have been so firm.

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- TANYA: Yeah.
- If God ain't finished
with me yet...

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TUPAC:
...let Him check me.

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MAN: Your socks are high, dude.

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BILLY: Yeah, make sure
y'all get the socks, man.

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PRODUCER: So, Billy, what is
your relation to Tupac?

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BILLY:
I am Tupac's oldest cousin.

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I'm eight years
older than him, so...

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before he became
who everybody know him as,

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he was like
this little dude

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who used
to follow me everywhere.

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And I'd be, like, "Man,
you can't go with me, man.

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I'm getting ready
to go do crime.

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You can't come with me
to do crime."

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But I didn't really feel
responsible about his safety

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until...
Halloween night, 1993.

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(distant police sirens wail)

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I had just got out of jail,

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and I hadn't seen Pac
for several years.

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My family had a ticket
for me to come to Atlanta.

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That's where
he's performing a show.

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- (crowd screaming)
- DANTE: Great night.

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First thing I see,
panties flying.

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But the night
was too good to be true.

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BILLY: Tupac ends up
getting into a beef

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with the security guards
about smoking this weed.

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So we cut the show short...

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- Fuck you, motherfuckers!
- (all shouting angrily)

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BILLY: ...and we left with six
or seven carloads full of people.

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DANTE: "Yo, we at such-and-such.
Follow us to the room."

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BILLY: We're getting ready
to take a left into the hotel,

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but we can't
'cause there's a Black man

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arguing with two White men.

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He pushed him. He'll push him.
It looked corny, but Pac still
got out.

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(car door sensor dinging)

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BILLY: At that very moment,

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one of the White guys
hit the Black dude in the jaw.

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And when Pac saw that,
he freaked out.

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DANTE: The Black dude took off,
started running.

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BILLY: One of the White guys
pulled his gun out on Pac

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and told him to run.

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And that's when Pac
pulled up his shirt:

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"This is thug life.
I don't run nowhere."

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The dude took the gun and bang!

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BILLY:
Cracks the car window out.

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And started running.

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Right past me.

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So Tupac goes...

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"I want my gun. Give me my gun."

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BILLY: No.

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Nobody wanted to hand it to him.

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He goes around
and get it hisself.

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(car door sensor dinging)

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No, no, no, no.

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BILLY: They, like,
40 feet away and it's dark.

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And Tupac
gets down on one knee.

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- One knee.
- BILLY: He aims.

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You're not going to hit the--

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Bang, bang, bang!

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BILLY: Three shots.

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Just like a marksman. Trained.

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DANTE: All I remember seeing
was fire coming from the gun.

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BILLY: He takes his gun,
slams it on the ground,

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and I picked it up and said,
"You missed. You missed.
I know you missed."

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He said,
"Nah. I got him. I got him."

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DANTE: So he's sitting there...

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- (car door sensor dinging)
- (exhaling)

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..."Let's go, cuz."

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So I'm thinking
we about to skirt off.

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- (car doors slam)
- But we makes the left

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to go
in the hotel room.

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BILLY: Now we at the hotel,
and I look outside

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and I see police
all over the place.

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And I could see they're comin'
upstairs to the room.

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The room is full of people.

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Everybody is excited.

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They just saw
somebody get shot.

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But Tupac, he's calm.

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DANTE: Cloud of smoke.

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(exhaling)

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Weed.

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BILLY: His face is blank.

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DANTE:
Not talking about it.

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BILLY: He's like
in a peaceful trance.

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But I can hear the cops
outside the door.

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Suddenly, he says,

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"Yo, wait a minute.
I want everybody
to hear my new song."

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DANTE: Song?
We're going to jail.
This is over.

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The song he played
for the very first time...

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TUPAC: It's a love song.

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DANTE: ...with the police
at the door

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was "Dear Mama."

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- TUPAC: Dear Mama.
- "Dear Mama."

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Into it. Vibing. Smoking.

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- He's grooving now.
- Listen, listen.

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He has no connection
to what he just did.

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That was the first time
I realized...

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- TUPAC: Dear Mama.
- ...that that motherfucker
was for real.

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That he's gonna protect
Black people. Period.

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TUPAC: Dear Mama.

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BILLY:
That was how he was raised.

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("Dear Mama" by 2Pac playing)

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♪ When I was young
Me and my mama had beef ♪

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♪ 17 years old
Kicked out on the streets ♪

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♪ Though back at the time ♪

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♪ I never thought
I'd see her face ♪

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♪ Ain't a woman alive ♪

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♪ That could take
My mama's place ♪

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♪ Suspended from school ♪

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♪ I'm scared to go home ♪

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♪ I was the fool
With the big boys ♪

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♪ Breaking all the rules ♪

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♪ I shed tears
With my baby sister ♪

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♪ Over the years we was poorer
Than the other little kids ♪

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♪ And even though we had
Different daddies ♪

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♪ The same drama ♪

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♪ When things went wrong
We blamed Mama ♪

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♪ I reminisce
On the stress I caused ♪

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♪ It was hell ♪

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♪ Hugging on my mama
From a jail cell ♪

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♪ And who'd think
In elementary ♪

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♪ Hey, I'd see
The penitentiary? ♪

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♪ One day running
From the police ♪

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♪ That's right ♪

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♪ Mama catch me
Put a whupping to my backside ♪

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♪ And even as a crack fiend ♪

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♪ Mama, you always
Was a Black queen, Mama ♪

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♪ I finally understand
For a woman it ain't easy ♪

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♪ Trying to raise a man ♪

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♪ You always was committed ♪

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♪ A poor single mother
On welfare ♪

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♪ Tell me how you did it ♪

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♪ There's no way
I can pay you back ♪

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♪ But the plan is to show you
That I understand ♪

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♪ You are appreciated ♪

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♪ Don't you know
We love you, sweet lady ♪

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♪ Dear Mama ♪

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♪ Free you from your cage
Full of rage ♪

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♪ 'Cause this is
What a good day is ♪

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♪ And even though
You're lonely ♪

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♪ You're more than the mother
You're my homey ♪

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♪ There's no way
I could pay you back ♪

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♪ But my plan is to show you
That I understand ♪

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♪ Dear Mama ♪

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MAN: How does doing
this project feel for you,

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I guess, 30 years later?

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MAN 2: That's pretty surreal,

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to do a narrative
that you were a part of.

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And then to have it be
so personal, you know, uh,

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I didn't want to do it at first,
and then I realized, shit,

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I never processed the trauma.

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But we have
to take ownership of all
of our collective journey,

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and go, "This is part of us."

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So how do we decant this?

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Tupac's legacy?

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Man, it's... it's really
difficult to sum that up.

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MIKE: Man, listen.
Anywhere I go,

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Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan...

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"How was Tupac?
What was he like?"

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Children soldiers from Uganda,

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"What was Tupac like?"

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Blows my mind.

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Tupac was the first rapper to me
that could make you cry.

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Like, he was just, like,
"Oh, my God, that's me."

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I've had many people
come up to me and say,
"Tupac saved my life."

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He was a great,
great storyteller,

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and I think the story
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was his own truth.

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Tupac was a Zen master.

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He lived in these moments
more than any of us,

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and if there wasn't
something happening,

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he was gonna
make something happen.

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They're teaching
his poetry in college.

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What are you talking about?

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He was a legend
in his own time. (laughs)

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And he would say that too.

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Pac lived three niggas' lives
in about eight months.

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That's why his life
seemed so long.

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SNOOP: They say a man
ain't a man 'til he's 27.

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He's still a baby at 25.

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But he just was like
a special motherfucker,

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and with a spirit that was only
grown through his mother.

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She was great
before he even got here.

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The myth builder,
a fantasy rider.

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Not mindin' his business,
he never did.

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His mother certainly didn't.

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'Cause where did Tupac get
the myth-building from, Afeni.

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And Feni wanted the story told.

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Correctly.
That means blemishes and all.

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So people can understand
that whole thing

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of what makes
a human being as he

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and the human being as she.

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So, here we go.

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WOMAN:
This is the videotape examination

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of Tupac Amaru Shakur,

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held at the Clinton
Correctional Facility,

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Dannemora, New York,

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at the time indicated
on the video screen.

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The notary public
will now swear the witness.

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Sir, would you raise
your right hand, please?

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- Yes.
- WOMAN: Do you swear or affirm

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that the testimony you're about
to give will be the truth,

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the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?

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- I do.
- WOMAN: Thank you.

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AFENI: Well, I think we start--

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Let's start with his name.

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MAN: Could you please state
your full name for the record?

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Yes.
It's Tupac Amaru Shakur.

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AFENI: Tupac Amaru
is an Inca name.

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The first Tupac Amaru was
the last indigenous Inca chief

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to be killed and martyred
by the Spanish conquistadores

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who came to invade the area
of South America called Peru.

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After that, another
Tupac Amaru laid out plans

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for the modern state of Peru.

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Also killed and martyred
by the Spanish people.

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Tupac was conceived during
the worst part of my life.

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I was on trial for my life,

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and I chose his name
because I wanted my son

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to understand
that African-Americans

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are not the only people
that this has happened to.

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I'm Afeni Shakur,

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and I'm Tupac's mom.

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MAN: The grand jury
has returned an indictment

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charging members
of the Black Panther Party

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with a conspiracy to destroy
elements of society,

248
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which they regarded as part of,
and I'm quoting the indictment,

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"The power structure."

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AFENI: Before I became a parent,

251
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I chose to be
in the Black Panther Party.

252
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Tupac stayed in my womb
through hell.

253
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And the Black Panther Party
helped me, number one,

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to respect who my son was

255
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simply because of his birth.

256
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A Black male born in America

257
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in the 1970s.

258
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It was my responsibility
to teach Tupac

259
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how to survive his reality.

260
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(airplane whirring)

261
00:11:06,625 --> 00:11:09,764
(upbeat song playing)

262
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♪ Ah, can you feel it, baby? ♪

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♪ I can ♪

264
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(school bell ringing)

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CHRISTINE:
My name is Christine Mendes,

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and I'm a senior.

267
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GRAHAM: I'm Graham Davis,

268
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and I'm a junior
here at Tamalpais High School.

269
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And I'm loving
every minute of it.

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My name is Tupac Shakur,

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and I attend
Tamalpais High School,

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and I'm 17 years old.

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GIRL 1: Tam is
the raddest school ever.

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GIRL 2: The best thing
about going to Tam

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is the Drama department.

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GIRL 3: And here,
you can dress how you want.

277
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You can be who you want to be.

278
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What do I like the most
about this school?

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- INTERVIEWER: Yeah.
- Um...

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TUPAC: Well--Oh, I hope
I don't get in trouble

281
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because Tam
is really integrated,

282
00:11:53,586 --> 00:11:55,423
but I think there should be
a different curriculum

283
00:11:55,423 --> 00:11:57,493
in each and every, like,
neighborhood, you know?

284
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Because I'm learning
the basics,

285
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but since I'm living
in a slum-ish area

286
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and I'm Black,
they're not basic for me.

287
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Like German.

288
00:12:06,678 --> 00:12:08,549
When am I going
to Germany?

289
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I can't afford to pay
my rent in America.

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MAN:
I pledge allegiance...

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ALL: ...to the flag of
the United States of America.

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TUPAC:
We're not being taught to deal
with the world as it is.

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We're being taught to deal
with this fairy land

294
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which we're not even
living in anymore.

295
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ALL: ...liberty
and justice for all.

296
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TUPAC: That's why
my mother taught me

297
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to analyze society
and not be quiet.

298
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To... If there's something
on my mind, speak it.

299
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Because-- Okay, I got to go
to the beginning.

300
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My mother was a Black Panther.

301
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MIKE WALLACE:
The Black Panther Party.

302
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The Panthers believed
the system was against them.

303
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They were willing
to pick up the gun

304
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to protect themselves
from what they call

305
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the Pig Power Structure.

306
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WOMAN: They demanded land, housing,

307
00:12:51,535 --> 00:12:55,409
food, clothing, jobs,
education, and justice.

308
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But most urgently,

309
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they demanded an end
to the police brutality

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that they had witnessed
in the Black community.

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REPORTER: The Panthers
were most admired

312
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for their willingness to die
for what they believe in.

313
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But second to that,
their Free Breakfast
for Children Program.

314
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- (explosion)
- WALLACE: The Black Panthers

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formally disbanded
by the early '80s,

316
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killed both by internal
squabbling and by COINTELPRO,

317
00:13:19,591 --> 00:13:22,330
the controversial FBI
Counter Intelligence Program

318
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focused in part on infiltrating

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and sabotaging
the Black Panther Party.

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WOMAN: It is clear
that many Americans

321
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still retain a fearful image
of the group,

322
00:13:32,885 --> 00:13:36,491
but it may be too soon
to know what history

323
00:13:36,491 --> 00:13:38,562
will write
of the Black Panther Party

324
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or to know how their actions
have really affected the lives

325
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of thousands of youngsters
just like these.

326
00:13:44,507 --> 00:13:48,582
TUPAC: I loved my childhood,
but I hated growing up poor.

327
00:13:48,582 --> 00:13:50,553
My mother's totally brilliant.

328
00:13:50,553 --> 00:13:52,357
She could have chose
to go to college

329
00:13:52,357 --> 00:13:53,792
and got a degree
and been well off.

330
00:13:53,792 --> 00:13:55,864
But we're stone broke.

331
00:13:55,864 --> 00:13:59,437
We're just poor because our
ideals always get in the way.

332
00:13:59,437 --> 00:14:00,773
Yeah, let me tell you this
about Afeni.

333
00:14:00,773 --> 00:14:02,477
So we correct,
nobody don't think

334
00:14:02,477 --> 00:14:05,616
I'm blowing sunshine
up her ass.

335
00:14:05,616 --> 00:14:08,522
She got on my nerve.

336
00:14:08,522 --> 00:14:09,657
Do you understand
what I'm saying?

337
00:14:09,657 --> 00:14:11,395
Walled me out,

338
00:14:11,395 --> 00:14:13,832
because the thing
that I always had to do

339
00:14:13,832 --> 00:14:16,906
all my life
is protect my sister.

340
00:14:16,906 --> 00:14:18,843
AFENI: That's my sister.

341
00:14:18,843 --> 00:14:20,646
Her name is Glo.

342
00:14:20,646 --> 00:14:22,817
And everybody around me knows
who Glo is.

343
00:14:22,817 --> 00:14:25,756
She's the oldest,
and we were always a unit.

344
00:14:25,756 --> 00:14:29,397
♪ I won't harm you
With words from my mouth ♪

345
00:14:29,397 --> 00:14:30,800
♪ I love you ♪

346
00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,572
♪ I need you to survive ♪

347
00:14:33,572 --> 00:14:37,380
I would never hurt my sister
with words from my mouth...

348
00:14:37,380 --> 00:14:38,850
to her, you know.

349
00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:40,887
I talk shit behind her back,
cuss her ass out.

350
00:14:40,887 --> 00:14:42,323
You know what I mean? (laughs)

351
00:14:42,323 --> 00:14:43,860
("Me and My Girlfriend" playing)

352
00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:45,696
♪ Look for me,
Lost in the whirlwind ♪

353
00:14:45,696 --> 00:14:47,733
♪ '96 Bonnie and Clyde ♪

354
00:14:47,733 --> 00:14:50,473
♪ Me and my girlfriend
Doing 85 when we ride ♪

355
00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:51,641
♪ Trapped in this world
Of sin ♪

356
00:14:51,641 --> 00:14:53,479
♪ Born as a ghetto child ♪

357
00:14:53,479 --> 00:14:54,714
♪ Raised in this whirlwind,
C'mon ♪

358
00:14:54,714 --> 00:14:55,917
GLORIA: Awesome.

359
00:14:55,917 --> 00:14:57,587
Awesome.

360
00:14:57,587 --> 00:14:59,624
Let me tell you something. Awesome.

361
00:14:59,624 --> 00:15:01,628
Coming to New York
was awesome.

362
00:15:02,931 --> 00:15:06,338
Feni was maybe 11.

363
00:15:06,338 --> 00:15:08,442
You know, we were both
little dark-skinned girls

364
00:15:08,442 --> 00:15:10,881
from North Carolina.

365
00:15:10,881 --> 00:15:13,452
What I remember is the smells.

366
00:15:13,452 --> 00:15:15,857
I had never smelled garlic.

367
00:15:15,857 --> 00:15:18,762
I had never tasted butter, salami.

368
00:15:18,762 --> 00:15:21,535
We had never heard of salami.

369
00:15:21,535 --> 00:15:23,338
New York was exciting.

370
00:15:23,338 --> 00:15:26,778
The--The noise and the,
uh... uh...

371
00:15:28,816 --> 00:15:30,619
The rhythm of it.

372
00:15:30,619 --> 00:15:33,625
Both of us were very happy
to be in New York,

373
00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:35,864
'cause Feni hated Lumberton.

374
00:15:35,864 --> 00:15:38,335
Lumberton had no rhythm.

375
00:15:38,335 --> 00:15:41,775
My father was a truck driver
and he was a drinker.

376
00:15:41,775 --> 00:15:43,345
He had other women.

377
00:15:43,345 --> 00:15:45,416
Stayed gone all the time.

378
00:15:45,416 --> 00:15:48,589
My mother was tired
of the arguing.

379
00:15:48,589 --> 00:15:51,595
Went to New York,
got a job, and sent for us.

380
00:15:51,595 --> 00:15:56,505
So my memory of my father
is a person who was not there.

381
00:15:56,505 --> 00:15:59,477
My mother had a room
and an apartment

382
00:15:59,477 --> 00:16:02,817
with an old White lady
in The Bronx.

383
00:16:02,817 --> 00:16:04,889
I remember the kids saying,

384
00:16:04,889 --> 00:16:07,326
(sing-songy)
"Bald-headed,
ain't got no hair."

385
00:16:07,326 --> 00:16:08,762
I never knew that in the South,

386
00:16:08,762 --> 00:16:10,633
but in New York,
that's what we heard.

387
00:16:10,633 --> 00:16:13,539
And, "You're dark-skinned"
and all of that.

388
00:16:13,539 --> 00:16:15,376
Feni could not be a cheerleader

389
00:16:15,376 --> 00:16:17,380
'cause she didn't
have long hair.

390
00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:19,717
And we went to Black schools,
segregated schools.

391
00:16:19,717 --> 00:16:21,421
So these were Black people

392
00:16:21,421 --> 00:16:24,527
choosing
how the girls should look,

393
00:16:24,527 --> 00:16:25,563
and it wasn't us.

394
00:16:26,933 --> 00:16:28,937
So going to high school,

395
00:16:28,937 --> 00:16:33,779
Feni concentrated on being
the smartest at everything.

396
00:16:33,779 --> 00:16:36,785
And she auditioned
and she got accepted

397
00:16:36,785 --> 00:16:39,757
into the High School
of Performing Arts.

398
00:16:39,757 --> 00:16:42,530
She had a curiosity
in her spirit

399
00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:44,400
about what she wanted to be,

400
00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,538
but she wasn't comfortable

401
00:16:46,538 --> 00:16:49,510
knowing that she didn't have
what the other kids had,

402
00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:51,916
because they
were rich White kids
from the suburbs somewhere.

403
00:16:51,916 --> 00:16:55,422
So, yeah, it was anger,
because my mother
can't do this,

404
00:16:55,422 --> 00:16:56,893
my mother can't do that.

405
00:16:56,893 --> 00:16:58,829
And I was comfortable
in whatever it was.

406
00:16:58,829 --> 00:17:01,167
You know, I'd be all right.
Feni was never that.

407
00:17:01,167 --> 00:17:04,707
She felt things differently
and deeper,

408
00:17:04,707 --> 00:17:07,813
because she always wanted
to be beyond

409
00:17:07,813 --> 00:17:09,817
what her circumstances were.

410
00:17:09,817 --> 00:17:13,559
Feni was really both
a wanderer and a wonderer,

411
00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,596
and I don't mean aimlessly.

412
00:17:15,596 --> 00:17:17,500
- SEALE: I am...
- CROWD: I am...

413
00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:19,704
- SEALE: ...a revolutionary.
- CROWD: ...a revolutionary.

414
00:17:19,704 --> 00:17:22,543
GLORIA: So, yeah,
she stepped right into
the Black Panther Party.

415
00:17:22,543 --> 00:17:25,683
That was Bobby Seale
she saw on 125th Street.

416
00:17:25,683 --> 00:17:27,787
- I am...
- CROWD: I am...

417
00:17:27,787 --> 00:17:29,190
...a revolutionary.

418
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:31,628
GLORIA: And I was scared.

419
00:17:31,628 --> 00:17:33,498
REPORTER 1: Thirty-two-year-old
ex-con named Bobby Seale

420
00:17:33,498 --> 00:17:35,937
proclaims his hope
for revolution.

421
00:17:35,937 --> 00:17:37,941
GLORIA: All I knew was
what I saw on television.

422
00:17:37,941 --> 00:17:39,945
REPORTER 2: The extremists,
the revolutionaries,

423
00:17:39,945 --> 00:17:42,851
say the Black people have been
left with no alternative

424
00:17:42,851 --> 00:17:44,821
but to gain by violence
what they've been denied

425
00:17:44,821 --> 00:17:46,658
by peaceful means.

426
00:17:46,658 --> 00:17:48,729
So the same thing
that I admired and loved

427
00:17:48,729 --> 00:17:51,134
for the Black people
standing on there with the guns,

428
00:17:51,134 --> 00:17:54,540
now my sister's down with it.
Well, that's a different story.

429
00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:56,478
But that's what she was doing,

430
00:17:56,478 --> 00:17:58,148
then that's what
I was down with.

431
00:17:58,148 --> 00:17:59,885
REPORTER 2:
They offer self-respect,

432
00:17:59,885 --> 00:18:01,755
pride in being Black,

433
00:18:01,755 --> 00:18:04,895
beauty in being Black,
and Black people are listening.

434
00:18:04,895 --> 00:18:08,235
AFENI: I was liberated
and empowered

435
00:18:08,235 --> 00:18:10,673
by the Black Panther Party,

436
00:18:10,673 --> 00:18:11,842
because young women
at that time

437
00:18:11,842 --> 00:18:13,578
wanted to be different,

438
00:18:13,578 --> 00:18:15,549
and young men
were perfectly willing

439
00:18:15,549 --> 00:18:19,624
to see women as individuals
that they could respect.

440
00:18:19,624 --> 00:18:22,463
That was something
that I yearned for.

441
00:18:22,463 --> 00:18:25,469
GLORIA: She brought
an array of characters

442
00:18:25,469 --> 00:18:27,908
that I had never thought existed.

443
00:18:27,908 --> 00:18:30,479
Panthers, hustlers,

444
00:18:30,479 --> 00:18:32,918
gay women, gay men.

445
00:18:32,918 --> 00:18:35,789
So if she opened up my world,

446
00:18:35,789 --> 00:18:41,534
imagine her son around
this array of characters,

447
00:18:41,534 --> 00:18:43,638
what that was for him.

448
00:18:43,638 --> 00:18:45,609
In the beginning,
it's beautiful.

449
00:18:46,912 --> 00:18:48,515
TUPAC: I can't stand racism

450
00:18:48,515 --> 00:18:50,653
in any form, shape, or color.

451
00:18:50,653 --> 00:18:52,223
I feel like
if you can't respect yourself,

452
00:18:52,223 --> 00:18:54,160
then you can't respect
your race,

453
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,031
then you can't respect
another's race.

454
00:18:56,031 --> 00:18:58,502
It just has to do with respect,
like my mother taught me.

455
00:18:58,502 --> 00:19:00,272
So, what we want--

456
00:19:00,272 --> 00:19:02,209
What we're doing is starting
the Black Panthers again.

457
00:19:02,209 --> 00:19:05,549
And I'm talking to a lot of
the ex-members of the Panthers.

458
00:19:05,549 --> 00:19:07,553
And they did a lot
of good things in the past.

459
00:19:07,553 --> 00:19:09,557
It's just that...

460
00:19:09,557 --> 00:19:10,894
you know those things
they had for the mice

461
00:19:10,894 --> 00:19:12,697
where they go through
around the circle

462
00:19:12,697 --> 00:19:13,765
and it has little blocks for it
and everything?

463
00:19:13,765 --> 00:19:15,970
Well, society is like that.

464
00:19:15,970 --> 00:19:17,941
They'll let you go
as far as you want,

465
00:19:17,941 --> 00:19:19,744
but as soon as you start asking
too many questions

466
00:19:19,744 --> 00:19:21,715
and you're ready to change,

467
00:19:21,715 --> 00:19:23,752
boom, their blocker come.

468
00:19:23,752 --> 00:19:27,193
And, for me, minds would come
through being a statistic.

469
00:19:35,175 --> 00:19:36,870
MAN: Have you had
your deposition

470
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:37,895
taken before?

471
00:19:39,317 --> 00:19:42,123
TUPAC: On one other occasion,
I have, yes.

472
00:19:42,123 --> 00:19:44,895
MAN: Do you understand, then,
the deposition process

473
00:19:44,895 --> 00:19:48,235
in that I'm gonna ask you some
questions and you, under oath,

474
00:19:48,235 --> 00:19:51,541
are gonna answer my questions,
and we'll have it on video?

475
00:19:52,978 --> 00:19:54,547
- Yes, I do.
- MAN: Okay.

476
00:19:55,917 --> 00:19:57,553
How'd you get interested
in music?

477
00:20:01,996 --> 00:20:03,900
I started off with poetry.

478
00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:05,970
It is my opinion
that I was rapping

479
00:20:05,970 --> 00:20:07,974
while I was writing poetry.

480
00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:10,847
But while I was
in Marin County,

481
00:20:10,847 --> 00:20:12,984
poets, I saw,

482
00:20:12,984 --> 00:20:14,988
were looked on as, like, wimps.

483
00:20:14,988 --> 00:20:16,992
So I did that personally,

484
00:20:16,992 --> 00:20:20,132
but then I started to change
the method of my poetry.

485
00:20:20,132 --> 00:20:22,803
- MAN: Okay, how old were you?
- TUPAC: 17.

486
00:20:22,803 --> 00:20:24,774
Seventeen's such a weird age.

487
00:20:24,774 --> 00:20:27,012
Like today, when I had to sign
the release form,

488
00:20:27,012 --> 00:20:29,150
I felt so bad 'cause I couldn't
sign it myself.

489
00:20:29,150 --> 00:20:32,056
I had to go and get my mother's
and all that, but...

490
00:20:32,056 --> 00:20:36,064
18 is... it's just society's way
of saying that you're ready.

491
00:20:36,064 --> 00:20:38,903
But 17, like,
I think I'm ready now,

492
00:20:38,903 --> 00:20:41,074
as ready as I'm gonna be
in this world, but...

493
00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:44,781
So, it's okay,
I guess 17 is alright.

494
00:20:44,781 --> 00:20:47,052
RYAN: When Tupac
first came out here,

495
00:20:47,052 --> 00:20:49,824
he was totally different
than everybody else.

496
00:20:49,824 --> 00:20:51,962
I remember when I first met him,
he had on a--

497
00:20:51,962 --> 00:20:54,066
He would wear this jean outfit
with, like, ripped jeans
and stuff.

498
00:20:54,066 --> 00:20:56,337
Nobody wore ripped clothes
in the late '80s.

499
00:20:56,337 --> 00:20:58,308
If that is the East Coast
style, I don't know.

500
00:20:58,308 --> 00:21:00,045
It was different to us.

501
00:21:00,045 --> 00:21:02,082
So he stood out
like a sore thumb.

502
00:21:02,082 --> 00:21:04,787
But at the same time,
he was so charismatic.

503
00:21:04,787 --> 00:21:06,057
Everybody liked Tupac.

504
00:21:06,057 --> 00:21:07,793
INTERVIEWER:
What-- Give me a--

505
00:21:07,793 --> 00:21:09,030
You-- Like last year,
you were in New York?

506
00:21:09,030 --> 00:21:10,332
- Yeah.
- INTERVIEWER: Where?

507
00:21:10,332 --> 00:21:11,902
No, last year,
I was in Baltimore.

508
00:21:11,902 --> 00:21:13,672
Year before that, I was in--

509
00:21:13,672 --> 00:21:15,175
I spent three years in
Baltimore, my high school years,

510
00:21:15,175 --> 00:21:16,846
going to the School
of Performing Arts.

511
00:21:16,846 --> 00:21:19,083
(upbeat music playing)

512
00:21:20,854 --> 00:21:22,958
Then before that,
I was in New York.

513
00:21:22,958 --> 00:21:25,362
That's where I grew up.

514
00:21:25,362 --> 00:21:27,934
We moved out of New York
because of my mother's choices.

515
00:21:27,934 --> 00:21:29,938
And I came to California
to escape that violence

516
00:21:29,938 --> 00:21:32,176
that I escaped New York for,
escaped Baltimore for.

517
00:21:32,176 --> 00:21:35,182
Come to Marin City,
and there's skinheads violence.

518
00:21:36,952 --> 00:21:38,822
KENDRICK: This is Marin County.

519
00:21:38,822 --> 00:21:42,864
Probably like the fifth-richest
county in the United States.

520
00:21:42,864 --> 00:21:44,935
A lot of old money.

521
00:21:44,935 --> 00:21:46,070
Beautiful place.

522
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:47,841
Nothing but scenery

523
00:21:47,841 --> 00:21:50,145
next to the Golden Gate Bridge.

524
00:21:50,145 --> 00:21:52,116
SINGER: ♪ You make me feel
So good ♪

525
00:21:52,116 --> 00:21:53,986
KENDRICK:
Marin City is a little hole...

526
00:21:53,986 --> 00:21:55,990
TUPAC: Fuck the police.

527
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:57,092
KENDRICK:
...right at the bottom
of the hill...

528
00:21:57,092 --> 00:21:59,096
TUPAC: Fuck the police.

529
00:21:59,096 --> 00:22:00,732
KENDRICK:
...where they put
all the Black people.

530
00:22:00,732 --> 00:22:02,169
SINGER: ♪ Oh, my gosh ♪

531
00:22:02,169 --> 00:22:04,373
We used to say,
"One way in, one way out."

532
00:22:04,373 --> 00:22:06,846
SINGER: ♪ Thinking
Of a master plan ♪

533
00:22:06,846 --> 00:22:08,983
♪ 'Cause ain't nothing
But sweat inside my hand ♪

534
00:22:08,983 --> 00:22:11,754
♪ So I dig into my pocket
All my money spent ♪

535
00:22:11,754 --> 00:22:13,725
♪ So I dig deeper
But still coming up with lint ♪

536
00:22:13,725 --> 00:22:15,362
RYAN: We lived
in the Tall Buildings,

537
00:22:15,362 --> 00:22:17,032
the original project buildings
in Marin City.

538
00:22:17,032 --> 00:22:18,870
From my back patio,

539
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:20,005
I could look out
to the Tiburon Bay

540
00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:22,109
and see mansions and yachts.

541
00:22:22,109 --> 00:22:24,013
And I go out my front door,

542
00:22:24,013 --> 00:22:25,782
and I see dope fiends
and kids with no shoes,

543
00:22:25,782 --> 00:22:27,319
and they ain't ate all day.

544
00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:29,156
So I was outspoken
on political things,

545
00:22:29,156 --> 00:22:31,027
but Tupac was me times ten.

546
00:22:31,027 --> 00:22:33,765
TUPAC: In Marin City,
I've seen already death.

547
00:22:33,765 --> 00:22:35,870
I mean, aren't they wondering
why death rates are going up,

548
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:37,172
and suicide, drug abuse?

549
00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:39,010
Aren't they wondering?
I mean...

550
00:22:39,010 --> 00:22:40,980
RAY: Pac is beyond conscious.

551
00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:43,886
His hairstyle is conscious,
profound, distinct.

552
00:22:43,886 --> 00:22:46,157
And I'm looking at this dude
like there's no way

553
00:22:46,157 --> 00:22:48,863
that he's a good rapper
dressed like that.

554
00:22:50,332 --> 00:22:53,004
But never judge a book
by its cover.

555
00:22:53,004 --> 00:22:55,877
♪ As real as it seems
The American dream ♪

556
00:22:55,877 --> 00:22:57,881
♪ Ain't nothing but another
Calculated scheme ♪

557
00:22:57,881 --> 00:22:59,918
♪ To get us locked up
Shot up and back in chains ♪

558
00:22:59,918 --> 00:23:02,156
♪ To deny us of the future
Rob our names ♪

559
00:23:02,156 --> 00:23:04,327
RYAN: Rakim was out at the time.
I would tell everybody,

560
00:23:04,327 --> 00:23:07,232
"My buddy is doper than Rakim
right now. He's 17 years old."

561
00:23:07,232 --> 00:23:08,335
♪ You kept my history
A mystery ♪

562
00:23:08,335 --> 00:23:10,305
♪ But now I see ♪

563
00:23:10,305 --> 00:23:12,142
♪ The American dream
Wasn't meant for me ♪

564
00:23:12,142 --> 00:23:13,278
♪ 'Cause Lady Liberty's
A hypocrite ♪

565
00:23:13,278 --> 00:23:15,182
♪ She lied to me ♪

566
00:23:15,182 --> 00:23:17,086
♪ Promised me freedom
Education, and equality ♪

567
00:23:17,086 --> 00:23:19,290
♪ She never gave me
Nothing but slavery ♪

568
00:23:19,290 --> 00:23:22,029
♪ So now look at how dangerous
You made me ♪

569
00:23:22,029 --> 00:23:25,335
He's rappin' about stuff
that I'm not even beginning
to think about.

570
00:23:25,335 --> 00:23:26,804
And I'm blown away.

571
00:23:26,804 --> 00:23:28,041
♪ Calling me a madman ♪

572
00:23:28,041 --> 00:23:29,810
♪ Because I'm strong and bold ♪

573
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:30,947
♪ With this gun
Full of knowledge ♪

574
00:23:30,947 --> 00:23:32,917
♪ Of the lies you told ♪

575
00:23:32,917 --> 00:23:34,820
♪ Promise me emancipation
In this new nation ♪

576
00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:36,959
♪ All you ever gave my people
Was starvation ♪

577
00:23:36,959 --> 00:23:38,996
♪ Fathers of this country
Never cared for me ♪

578
00:23:38,996 --> 00:23:41,067
♪ They kept my ancestors
Shackled up in slavery ♪

579
00:23:41,067 --> 00:23:43,371
♪ And Uncle Sam never did
A damn thing for me ♪

580
00:23:43,371 --> 00:23:45,910
♪ Except lie about the facts
Of my history ♪

581
00:23:45,910 --> 00:23:48,315
RYAN: It's amazing to me
because I would look
in his rap book.

582
00:23:48,315 --> 00:23:50,954
He'd have pages of poems
in between raps.

583
00:23:50,954 --> 00:23:52,958
You know,
he'd write a hard rap,

584
00:23:52,958 --> 00:23:54,995
then have a poem about a girl
he fell in love with,

585
00:23:54,995 --> 00:23:58,001
with hearts and flowers
and eyeballs all on top of it.

586
00:23:58,001 --> 00:23:59,337
I always thought that was weird.

587
00:23:59,337 --> 00:24:01,341
Romantic.
I mean, people didn't know

588
00:24:01,341 --> 00:24:03,879
he was a ballet dancer,
he was an actor.

589
00:24:03,879 --> 00:24:05,549
Whatever you're talking about,
he knew about it.

590
00:24:05,549 --> 00:24:07,887
But he was saying stuff
that we wanted to hear,

591
00:24:07,887 --> 00:24:10,994
and we didn't want to hear about
women, about us, about his mom.

592
00:24:10,994 --> 00:24:13,264
♪ My mother never let me
Forget my history ♪

593
00:24:13,264 --> 00:24:15,903
♪ Hoping I was set free
Chains never put on me ♪

594
00:24:15,903 --> 00:24:18,074
♪ Wanted to be
More than just free ♪

595
00:24:18,074 --> 00:24:20,012
♪ Had to know the true facts
About my history ♪

596
00:24:20,012 --> 00:24:21,849
And he'd be over here,
yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, like...

597
00:24:21,849 --> 00:24:23,218
TUPAC: Like yesterday
he was cursing,

598
00:24:23,218 --> 00:24:24,988
and I was like,
"Don't curse."

599
00:24:24,988 --> 00:24:26,992
And he got mad at me
because I told him not to curse.

600
00:24:26,992 --> 00:24:28,228
Mind y'all, I wasn't really
trying to hear it.

601
00:24:28,228 --> 00:24:30,265
They call girls the B-word.

602
00:24:30,265 --> 00:24:32,403
- KENDRICK: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- TUPAC: They are getting girls.

603
00:24:32,403 --> 00:24:34,975
And I'm going, "Peace," and,
"I think you're beautiful."

604
00:24:34,975 --> 00:24:38,014
And they're going, "Well, I like
him because he's masculine."

605
00:24:38,014 --> 00:24:40,853
I'm masculine. I mean...

606
00:24:40,853 --> 00:24:43,893
But then, I was liking this girl
in Tam. And I'm extra nice.

607
00:24:43,893 --> 00:24:45,562
You know, extra gentleman.

608
00:24:45,562 --> 00:24:47,032
I'm extra just, like,
"Oh, you're beautiful,

609
00:24:47,032 --> 00:24:48,401
and you deserve the best,"

610
00:24:48,401 --> 00:24:51,174
and she told me I was too nice.

611
00:24:51,174 --> 00:24:52,977
I couldn't believe it.

612
00:24:52,977 --> 00:24:55,015
It wouldn't work
'cause I was too nice.

613
00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:57,019
That was the ultimate stab
in the back.

614
00:24:57,019 --> 00:24:58,989
So I went through a week
of just going,

615
00:24:58,989 --> 00:25:00,392
"Forget it.
I'm just gonna be like them."

616
00:25:01,594 --> 00:25:04,333
KENDRICK: He was hurt.

617
00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:06,137
It wasn't so much
he changed, you know,

618
00:25:06,137 --> 00:25:07,974
I always say,
he made progressions.

619
00:25:09,377 --> 00:25:11,180
He just jumped in the car
and started doing

620
00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:13,284
what me and my friends
were doing,

621
00:25:13,284 --> 00:25:16,023
which was romanticizing
all over the county.

622
00:25:16,023 --> 00:25:18,061
And from then on,
he became a player.

623
00:25:18,061 --> 00:25:20,198
But he did something
I did not do.

624
00:25:20,198 --> 00:25:23,071
He went into the girls' minds,

625
00:25:23,071 --> 00:25:27,046
and he became what they wanted.

626
00:25:27,046 --> 00:25:29,050
RYAN: That was his gift.

627
00:25:29,050 --> 00:25:31,054
He related to them.
He got into character.

628
00:25:31,054 --> 00:25:32,891
And he was real about it.

629
00:25:32,891 --> 00:25:35,162
He showed a part of them
that they'd never seen.

630
00:25:35,162 --> 00:25:38,068
And when I say "player,"
I don't mean somebody
who lies to women

631
00:25:38,068 --> 00:25:42,042
or someone who knows the game
and fits in appropriately.

632
00:25:42,042 --> 00:25:44,080
It's an addition
to the situation,

633
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,649
and he was a great player.

634
00:25:45,649 --> 00:25:47,252
He stole the show.

635
00:25:47,252 --> 00:25:49,323
No matter what crowd
we took him around,

636
00:25:49,323 --> 00:25:52,997
I don't care if it was the most
gangster dudes in East Oakland,

637
00:25:52,997 --> 00:25:56,070
rich men, or some square cats
in Santa Rosa,

638
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:58,208
Tupac would instantly use
the same words they'd use

639
00:25:58,208 --> 00:26:00,178
that fit right in.

640
00:26:00,178 --> 00:26:02,182
And everybody would be drawn
to him immediately,

641
00:26:02,182 --> 00:26:04,955
White, Black,
no matter who it was,

642
00:26:04,955 --> 00:26:07,659
but being around
that environment,
he ended up doing things

643
00:26:07,659 --> 00:26:09,063
that he really
didn't have to do.

644
00:26:09,063 --> 00:26:10,665
He was struggling financially,

645
00:26:10,665 --> 00:26:12,202
and so he was trying
to sell drugs.

646
00:26:12,202 --> 00:26:14,073
I mean,
crack was full blown.

647
00:26:14,073 --> 00:26:16,010
But Tupac
was such a nice person,

648
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:17,246
he probably was fronting
all his dope out.

649
00:26:17,246 --> 00:26:19,350
RAY: We sucked at selling crack.

650
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:22,656
We was the worst crack dealers
in the history of crack dealers.

651
00:26:22,656 --> 00:26:26,097
He sold crack for, like,
I think five days.

652
00:26:26,097 --> 00:26:29,003
I think I sold crack
for seven, mostly,

653
00:26:29,003 --> 00:26:31,007
because I couldn't sell
my crack, which is weird,

654
00:26:31,007 --> 00:26:33,344
like, I just...
don't nobody want it,

655
00:26:33,344 --> 00:26:36,350
like, I don't even know
how to, like, who to take it to.

656
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:38,688
But we knew very quickly

657
00:26:38,688 --> 00:26:41,962
that that was not gonna be
our way out.

658
00:26:41,962 --> 00:26:46,704
Because capitalism requires
that your empathy level
is relatively low,

659
00:26:46,704 --> 00:26:51,681
and his empathy level
was a little higher
than most people.

660
00:26:51,681 --> 00:26:54,019
He did not believe
in hurting, maiming,

661
00:26:54,019 --> 00:26:55,589
or killing Black people.

662
00:26:55,589 --> 00:26:58,428
So if a person's smoking crack

663
00:26:58,428 --> 00:27:01,033
with their daughter
or their son,

664
00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:03,004
he's not gonna recover
from that.

665
00:27:03,004 --> 00:27:05,142
But one day,
comin' out of school,

666
00:27:05,142 --> 00:27:07,112
Leila's standing outside

667
00:27:07,112 --> 00:27:09,583
looking for kids that
wanna perform and did that.

668
00:27:09,583 --> 00:27:10,719
LEILA: I'd like to just introduce

669
00:27:10,719 --> 00:27:12,189
everyone who participated.

670
00:27:12,189 --> 00:27:13,658
This is my daughter Shaquan...

671
00:27:13,658 --> 00:27:15,595
- TUPAC: Leila Steinberg.
- ...Shiqua...

672
00:27:15,595 --> 00:27:17,666
TUPAC: She was older
and she was White,

673
00:27:17,666 --> 00:27:19,336
and she's the one that I used

674
00:27:19,336 --> 00:27:21,707
- to let look at my poetry.
- ...Raymond...

675
00:27:21,707 --> 00:27:24,046
She understood a lot of things

676
00:27:24,046 --> 00:27:26,717
that I was doing that other
people couldn't understand.

677
00:27:26,717 --> 00:27:30,192
And she's the one that, um...

678
00:27:30,192 --> 00:27:33,431
stayed on me about working hard
to do my music.

679
00:27:33,431 --> 00:27:36,204
RAY: Leila is an anomaly,

680
00:27:36,204 --> 00:27:39,143
but at her most pure,
she's a educator.

681
00:27:39,143 --> 00:27:42,216
One of our main goals is
to educate while we entertain.

682
00:27:42,216 --> 00:27:44,286
RAY: Pac and I knew very early

683
00:27:44,286 --> 00:27:47,159
that this business is brutal.

684
00:27:47,159 --> 00:27:50,732
Like the most criminal-minded,
shady people

685
00:27:50,732 --> 00:27:53,204
feasting off theater kids.

686
00:27:53,204 --> 00:27:55,742
Whereas Leila's very conscious

687
00:27:55,742 --> 00:27:57,613
and laid back.

688
00:27:57,613 --> 00:28:01,120
So we was, "Listen, we need you
to be a real White lady

689
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,258
in this business for us."

690
00:28:03,258 --> 00:28:05,061
Okay.

691
00:28:05,061 --> 00:28:06,063
WOMAN: Okay.

692
00:28:12,643 --> 00:28:15,615
LEILA: I didn't know anything
about the business

693
00:28:15,615 --> 00:28:16,784
when we started.

694
00:28:16,784 --> 00:28:18,655
I never wanted to manage.

695
00:28:18,655 --> 00:28:20,725
Tupac was just convinced

696
00:28:20,725 --> 00:28:23,531
that I could
get through any door.

697
00:28:23,531 --> 00:28:26,837
But a part of management
is parenting.

698
00:28:26,837 --> 00:28:28,808
And he met me

699
00:28:28,808 --> 00:28:32,850
when his mom
was deep in her struggle.

700
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:35,555
And, I mean,
we could talk for hours

701
00:28:35,555 --> 00:28:37,693
about the challenges
of being a Panther

702
00:28:37,693 --> 00:28:39,096
and being let down,

703
00:28:39,096 --> 00:28:41,734
but what I knew is that Afeni

704
00:28:41,734 --> 00:28:44,473
was his hero.

705
00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:46,744
TUPAC: Well, I never knew
who my father was.

706
00:28:46,744 --> 00:28:48,715
He was a hustler,
a street hustler.

707
00:28:48,715 --> 00:28:52,122
I met him, but he died,
and that was horrible,

708
00:28:52,122 --> 00:28:54,760
but got over that.
My mother is really

709
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,364
my father and mother.

710
00:28:56,364 --> 00:28:58,101
And really strict, almost.

711
00:28:58,101 --> 00:28:59,837
But now,
I can see how it paid off.

712
00:28:59,837 --> 00:29:02,643
Because I can talk to my mother
about anything,

713
00:29:02,643 --> 00:29:05,749
like, I could say,
"Ma, I'm really curious
about this drug."

714
00:29:05,749 --> 00:29:07,854
And she will go, "I did it,
and this is what happened,

715
00:29:07,854 --> 00:29:09,623
and I don't think you should."

716
00:29:09,623 --> 00:29:11,727
So she's my guide through life.

717
00:29:11,727 --> 00:29:13,665
And she's human,
I mean, she has mistakes,

718
00:29:13,665 --> 00:29:15,669
and we get in our tiffs
and everything.

719
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:17,606
But it's good.

720
00:29:17,606 --> 00:29:19,176
LEILA: He was like me.

721
00:29:19,176 --> 00:29:20,745
You know,
we hide behind a smile

722
00:29:20,745 --> 00:29:22,516
and fake like we're all right.

723
00:29:22,516 --> 00:29:23,651
(laughs)

724
00:29:23,651 --> 00:29:25,655
He couldn't really expose

725
00:29:25,655 --> 00:29:27,726
how broken he was.

726
00:29:27,726 --> 00:29:29,430
It was me, I admit it.

727
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:31,667
LEILA:
But everything he ever wrote

728
00:29:31,667 --> 00:29:34,841
was a road map
to understand a condition.

729
00:29:34,841 --> 00:29:37,346
AFENI: I right now
have deep pain

730
00:29:37,346 --> 00:29:39,416
about those years.

731
00:29:39,416 --> 00:29:42,723
At that point,
I think the effects
of everything,

732
00:29:42,723 --> 00:29:44,660
the trials, the police, whatever.

733
00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:46,464
I don't want to cry about it.

734
00:29:46,464 --> 00:29:48,468
But it was having
a bad effect on me.

735
00:29:49,570 --> 00:29:51,440
(Blood speaking)

736
00:29:59,356 --> 00:30:01,827
AFENI: This is when
I was smoking crack cocaine.

737
00:30:01,827 --> 00:30:03,564
Yeah.

738
00:30:24,373 --> 00:30:26,677
RAY: I didn't see
the fingerprints

739
00:30:26,677 --> 00:30:29,884
of her addiction at that time.

740
00:30:29,884 --> 00:30:34,693
It was an entire generation
of us that were latchkey kids.

741
00:30:34,693 --> 00:30:37,699
So our parents
were hardworking addicts.

742
00:30:37,699 --> 00:30:39,770
Never completely present.

743
00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:41,474
And we didn't think
we were getting

744
00:30:41,474 --> 00:30:42,809
anything out of school.

745
00:30:42,809 --> 00:30:44,546
It's just a place you go
during the day,

746
00:30:44,546 --> 00:30:46,250
to keep you busy
while they're at work.

747
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:47,854
RAY: So we learned
to raise each other.

748
00:30:47,854 --> 00:30:49,623
While they're at work,
that's exactly what it is.

749
00:30:49,623 --> 00:30:51,862
RAY: But when he hustled,
the whole point was

750
00:30:51,862 --> 00:30:54,833
to take care of his mother
and sister Sekyiwa.

751
00:30:54,833 --> 00:30:57,706
Yeah, I'm... I'm actually
been working already, you know,

752
00:30:57,706 --> 00:31:00,412
like, I've been going to school
during the day

753
00:31:00,412 --> 00:31:03,618
then I work eight hours
at the pizza place,
then go home.

754
00:31:03,618 --> 00:31:06,824
And if I'm... Isn't it like,
40-hour week, that's what
adults work, right?

755
00:31:06,824 --> 00:31:10,398
And that's what I'm working,
40 hours a week. I'm still poor.

756
00:31:10,398 --> 00:31:13,571
My family's still poor,
I'm still living
in a poor neighborhood.

757
00:31:13,571 --> 00:31:14,740
RAY: ♪ You know
They got me trapped ♪

758
00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:16,744
♪ In this prison of seclusion ♪

759
00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:18,949
♪ Happiness, living
On the streets is a delusion ♪

760
00:31:18,949 --> 00:31:22,456
♪ Even a smooth criminal
One day must get caught ♪

761
00:31:22,456 --> 00:31:24,359
I wrote the opening line

762
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:27,967
to a song about how I felt
in this environment,

763
00:31:27,967 --> 00:31:30,839
but I was never
really comfortable

764
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,813
with being as intimate
and open as Pac was.

765
00:31:34,813 --> 00:31:37,854
Mind you, we're living
in a world pre-Tupac.

766
00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:39,757
There is no
Brenda's Got a Baby.

767
00:31:39,757 --> 00:31:41,594
There is no Keep Ya Head Up.

768
00:31:41,594 --> 00:31:42,930
There is no Dear Mama.

769
00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:45,835
That doesn't exist
in hip-hop yet.

770
00:31:45,835 --> 00:31:48,574
So I crumpled it up and I
threw it in the garbage can.

771
00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:50,812
And he was, like,
"What are you doing with this?
Why are you throwing it away?"

772
00:31:50,812 --> 00:31:52,349
I'm like,
"Man, I don't want that.

773
00:31:52,349 --> 00:31:53,785
I don't want that on my record.

774
00:31:53,785 --> 00:31:55,722
I don't want
to be that personal."

775
00:31:55,722 --> 00:31:58,361
LEILA: Tupac never
would've performed

776
00:31:58,361 --> 00:31:59,830
anybody else's song or lyrics,

777
00:31:59,830 --> 00:32:02,769
but they were so close
and so connected

778
00:32:02,769 --> 00:32:05,708
that when Tupac got the lyrics
out of the trash can,

779
00:32:05,708 --> 00:32:08,448
he was, like, "I feel like
I wrote this. This is me."

780
00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:10,752
RAY: He was, like, "Let me
do something with this."

781
00:32:10,752 --> 00:32:12,622
TUPAC: ♪ Shot up or shot down
With the bullet
That he bought ♪

782
00:32:12,622 --> 00:32:14,626
♪ Nine-millimeter kicking ♪

783
00:32:14,626 --> 00:32:16,764
♪ Thinking about
What the streets do to me ♪

784
00:32:16,764 --> 00:32:19,369
♪ 'Cause they never talk peace
In the Black community ♪

785
00:32:19,369 --> 00:32:23,946
RAY: That was the beginning
of what ultimately became
2Pacalypse Now.

786
00:32:23,946 --> 00:32:25,648
♪ All we know is violence ♪

787
00:32:25,648 --> 00:32:27,652
♪ Do the job in silence ♪

788
00:32:27,652 --> 00:32:29,858
♪ Walk the city streets
Like a rat pack of tyrants ♪

789
00:32:29,858 --> 00:32:32,696
♪ Too many brothers
Daily headed for the big pen ♪

790
00:32:32,696 --> 00:32:35,802
♪ Niggas coming out worse off
Than when they went in ♪

791
00:32:35,802 --> 00:32:38,474
♪ Over the years I've done
A lot of growing up ♪

792
00:32:38,474 --> 00:32:39,911
♪ Get drunk, throwing up,
Cuffed up ♪

793
00:32:39,911 --> 00:32:42,349
♪ Then I said,
"I had enough" ♪

794
00:32:42,349 --> 00:32:44,888
♪ There must be another route
Way out to money and fame ♪

795
00:32:44,888 --> 00:32:47,392
♪ I changed my name
Played a different game ♪

796
00:32:47,392 --> 00:32:49,796
♪ Tired of being trapped
In this vicious cycle ♪

797
00:32:49,796 --> 00:32:51,800
♪ If one more cop harasses me
I just might go psycho ♪

798
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,671
♪ And when I get 'em ♪

799
00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:55,675
♪ I hit 'em
With a bum rush ♪

800
00:32:55,675 --> 00:32:57,812
♪ Only a lunatic would like
To see a skull crush ♪

801
00:32:57,812 --> 00:33:00,853
♪ Yo, if you're smart
You'll really let me go, G ♪

802
00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:02,822
♪ But keep me cooped up in this
Ghetto and catch the Uzi ♪

803
00:33:02,822 --> 00:33:04,826
♪ They got me trapped ♪

804
00:33:04,826 --> 00:33:06,730
AFENI: The situation
that I had my children in...

805
00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:08,634
TUPAC: ♪ Trapped ♪

806
00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:09,703
AFENI: ...the way that
we were living at that point...

807
00:33:09,703 --> 00:33:11,540
TUPAC: ♪ Trapped ♪

808
00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:13,444
AFENI: ...it affected
my children very deeply.

809
00:33:13,444 --> 00:33:15,515
TUPAC: ♪ They got me trapped ♪

810
00:33:15,515 --> 00:33:17,854
AFENI: But because the drugs
devastate so completely...

811
00:33:17,854 --> 00:33:19,556
TUPAC: ♪ Trapped ♪

812
00:33:19,556 --> 00:33:20,825
AFENI:
...I had to look at myself.

813
00:33:20,825 --> 00:33:22,629
TUPAC: ♪ Trapped ♪

814
00:33:22,629 --> 00:33:24,433
AFENI: And make changes
in my own self.

815
00:33:24,433 --> 00:33:26,537
ATRON: One day, Tupac
came up to me and said,

816
00:33:26,537 --> 00:33:28,976
"Can you give my mom
a ride to the bus station?

817
00:33:28,976 --> 00:33:30,745
She's about to go to rehab."

818
00:33:30,745 --> 00:33:32,716
And he was just quiet.

819
00:33:32,716 --> 00:33:34,854
Afeni was in the back seat,
and she was not herself.

820
00:33:34,854 --> 00:33:38,896
She was feeling terrible,
and it was just a sad ride.

821
00:33:38,896 --> 00:33:41,767
AFENI:
It's just a hectic turmoil.

822
00:33:41,767 --> 00:33:44,506
On the other hand, personally,

823
00:33:44,506 --> 00:33:47,612
this is not
from Tupac's perspective,

824
00:33:47,612 --> 00:33:49,383
from my perspective,

825
00:33:49,383 --> 00:33:51,520
there is no way

826
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,926
that I could've crawled back up

827
00:33:53,926 --> 00:33:57,699
had I not been broken
by those drugs first.

828
00:34:03,010 --> 00:34:07,752
That meant that the last
five years of my son's life,

829
00:34:07,752 --> 00:34:11,660
he had the benefit of a mother
who was completely present.

830
00:34:13,798 --> 00:34:17,739
That was worth
everything to me.

831
00:34:27,459 --> 00:34:31,533
JAMAL: When Tupac was a child,
he was the life of the party...

832
00:34:31,533 --> 00:34:34,506
always the one creating a game

833
00:34:34,506 --> 00:34:36,143
or a talent show.

834
00:34:36,143 --> 00:34:38,915
And you knew whatever it was,

835
00:34:38,915 --> 00:34:41,153
that he was the center
of that energy.

836
00:34:41,153 --> 00:34:43,925
So I recognized that there was
something kind of special.

837
00:34:43,925 --> 00:34:45,996
Then they left New York.

838
00:34:45,996 --> 00:34:50,138
And around that same time,

839
00:34:50,138 --> 00:34:52,175
I went back to prison.

840
00:34:52,175 --> 00:34:53,912
And this is the longest time
I was gone.

841
00:34:53,912 --> 00:34:56,483
I was gone
for close to six years.

842
00:34:56,483 --> 00:34:58,487
And when I came back,

843
00:34:58,487 --> 00:35:02,062
I had this little Honda
that had a cassette player.

844
00:35:02,062 --> 00:35:06,103
And I remember someone,
who also knew the Shakur family,

845
00:35:06,103 --> 00:35:07,639
got me a cassette.

846
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,576
And I played this tape.

847
00:35:09,576 --> 00:35:11,113
("Never Be Beat" playing)

848
00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:17,927
And so I stopped and I said,
"This is Tupac.

849
00:35:17,927 --> 00:35:19,096
This is my godson Tupac."

850
00:35:19,096 --> 00:35:20,966
And he says, "Yeah."

851
00:35:20,966 --> 00:35:23,270
He said, "You know,
he's gonna be the next one."

852
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:27,045
(gun cocks and fires)

853
00:35:27,045 --> 00:35:30,151
We feel that the problem
of the Black man in America

854
00:35:30,151 --> 00:35:33,190
is beyond America's
ability to solve.

855
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:35,261
It's a human problem,
not an American problem

856
00:35:35,261 --> 00:35:36,998
or a Negro problem.

857
00:35:36,998 --> 00:35:39,236
And as a human problem
or a world problem,

858
00:35:39,236 --> 00:35:42,042
we feel that it should be taken
out of the jurisdiction

859
00:35:42,042 --> 00:35:43,544
of the United States government

860
00:35:43,544 --> 00:35:45,181
and taken
into the United Nations,

861
00:35:45,181 --> 00:35:47,218
because not only
are we denied the right

862
00:35:47,218 --> 00:35:49,189
to be a citizen
in the United States,

863
00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:51,593
we're denied the right
to be a human being.

864
00:35:54,733 --> 00:35:56,704
JAMAL: When I joined
the Panther Party,

865
00:35:56,704 --> 00:35:59,643
the thing that attracted me
the most was not ideology.

866
00:35:59,643 --> 00:36:02,148
I didn't realize what
Black Panther ideology
really was.

867
00:36:02,148 --> 00:36:03,919
I came 'cause I was mad,

868
00:36:03,919 --> 00:36:05,555
because
they had killed Malcolm X.

869
00:36:05,555 --> 00:36:07,125
MAN: We saw a guy.

870
00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:08,995
He was shooting like a cowboy.

871
00:36:08,995 --> 00:36:10,598
♪ Shot across the room ♪

872
00:36:13,003 --> 00:36:15,575
♪ And now the man
No longer lives... ♪

873
00:36:15,575 --> 00:36:17,112
JAMAL: They'd killed
Martin Luther King.

874
00:36:17,112 --> 00:36:19,583
We are not giving in.

875
00:36:19,583 --> 00:36:20,585
(gunshots)

876
00:36:20,585 --> 00:36:22,222
(woman screams)

877
00:36:22,222 --> 00:36:24,159
MAN: Martin Luther King
dedicated his life

878
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,096
- to love and to justice.
- (gunshot)

879
00:36:26,096 --> 00:36:27,665
JAMAL: They had killed
the Kennedys.

880
00:36:27,665 --> 00:36:29,202
MAN: Get that gun!
Get the gun!

881
00:36:29,202 --> 00:36:31,039
MALCOLM X:
The Negro revolution.

882
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:32,575
JAMAL: They radicalized
a whole generation,

883
00:36:32,575 --> 00:36:34,279
and sparks were flying.

884
00:36:36,183 --> 00:36:38,554
MALCOLM X:
Revolution is hostile.

885
00:36:38,554 --> 00:36:40,591
Revolution knows no compromise.

886
00:36:40,591 --> 00:36:44,566
JAMAL: And on TV is a story
about the Panthers

887
00:36:44,566 --> 00:36:47,605
storming the state capital
of Sacramento with guns.

888
00:36:47,605 --> 00:36:49,576
And Bobby Seale
reads this manifesto.

889
00:36:49,576 --> 00:36:52,615
Take careful note of the racist
California legislature

890
00:36:52,615 --> 00:36:54,686
which is now
considering legislation

891
00:36:54,686 --> 00:36:56,623
aimed at keeping
the Black people disarmed

892
00:36:56,623 --> 00:36:59,296
and powerless
at the very same time

893
00:36:59,296 --> 00:37:01,935
racist police agencies
throughout the country

894
00:37:01,935 --> 00:37:05,007
are intensifying the terror,
brutality, murder,

895
00:37:05,007 --> 00:37:07,612
- and repression of Black people.
- LEILA: This is a country

896
00:37:07,612 --> 00:37:09,182
where some people
have the right

897
00:37:09,182 --> 00:37:11,286
to bear arms
and some people don't.

898
00:37:11,286 --> 00:37:13,124
We were in the part
of the population

899
00:37:13,124 --> 00:37:14,961
that wasn't allowed
to bear arms.

900
00:37:14,961 --> 00:37:16,965
So seeing these people

901
00:37:16,965 --> 00:37:20,071
on the steps of the Capitol
legally with these guns

902
00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,275
was a huge moment.

903
00:37:22,275 --> 00:37:25,114
My two friends
and I find the address

904
00:37:25,114 --> 00:37:27,987
to the secret headquarters
of the Black Panther Party.

905
00:37:27,987 --> 00:37:30,959
The Harlem Office,
2022 7th Avenue.

906
00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:32,930
If you remember
those old-school stores

907
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:34,666
that had a little indentation.

908
00:37:34,666 --> 00:37:37,238
And I saw this beautiful
dark-skinned Black woman

909
00:37:37,238 --> 00:37:39,176
that was different...

910
00:37:39,176 --> 00:37:41,146
Afeni Shakur.

911
00:37:41,146 --> 00:37:44,921
Brown-skinned woman, short afro,
the essence of African beauty.

912
00:37:44,921 --> 00:37:47,625
I looked at that sister, like,
"Yo, if everybody is like this,

913
00:37:47,625 --> 00:37:49,062
I'm joining this."

914
00:37:49,062 --> 00:37:50,933
And that's straight up, bro.

915
00:37:50,933 --> 00:37:52,937
REPORTER: The most radical

916
00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:56,043
Black civil rights organization
in this country's history.

917
00:37:56,043 --> 00:37:57,078
(music player stops)

918
00:38:01,286 --> 00:38:06,230
SHABA:
Afeni... well, energetic,

919
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:09,736
smart, quick wit,

920
00:38:09,736 --> 00:38:12,175
tolerated
very little chauvinism.

921
00:38:12,175 --> 00:38:14,713
She was a very strong

922
00:38:14,713 --> 00:38:18,154
independent Black woman.

923
00:38:18,154 --> 00:38:20,424
And it was
downright frightening to me,

924
00:38:20,424 --> 00:38:24,399
but intriguing at the same time.

925
00:38:24,399 --> 00:38:27,372
TUPAC: My mother
had a high position
in the Black Panther Party,

926
00:38:27,372 --> 00:38:29,176
which was like unheard of,

927
00:38:29,176 --> 00:38:31,146
because of course,
there was sexism

928
00:38:31,146 --> 00:38:33,050
even in the Panthers.

929
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:34,921
SHABA: When I got in the office,

930
00:38:34,921 --> 00:38:37,258
it was a feeling
of exhilaration.

931
00:38:37,258 --> 00:38:40,933
Mesmerized by Afeni Shakur,
to be quite honest with you.

932
00:38:40,933 --> 00:38:42,368
She was explaining what
the Black Panther Party was,

933
00:38:42,368 --> 00:38:44,105
you know,
the Ten-Point Program.

934
00:38:44,105 --> 00:38:45,708
MIKE WALLACE:
The Ten-Point Program

935
00:38:45,708 --> 00:38:47,378
of the Panther Party
forms the basis

936
00:38:47,378 --> 00:38:49,449
for almost everything
they teach and do.

937
00:38:49,449 --> 00:38:53,090
I'm sitting in the back,
and Afeni and Lumumba Shakur

938
00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:55,127
were running
a political education class.

939
00:38:55,127 --> 00:38:57,398
We are disciples and students
of Malcolm X.

940
00:38:57,398 --> 00:39:00,238
SHABA: Lumumba Shakur was
a very interesting individual.

941
00:39:00,238 --> 00:39:02,742
He was doing what I wanted
to do in the streets.

942
00:39:02,742 --> 00:39:04,412
He had two wives.

943
00:39:04,412 --> 00:39:06,016
LUMUMBA: Right on, brothers.
Power to the people.

944
00:39:06,016 --> 00:39:07,151
Lumumba Shakur,
Black Panther Party.

945
00:39:07,151 --> 00:39:09,022
SHABA: He was a king.

946
00:39:09,022 --> 00:39:10,191
- He was entitled to do that.
- That's right.

947
00:39:10,191 --> 00:39:12,061
GLORIA: Yeah, Lumumba Shakur.

948
00:39:12,061 --> 00:39:15,034
I met Lumumba Shakur
when Afeni said,

949
00:39:15,034 --> 00:39:17,405
"That's my husband."

950
00:39:17,405 --> 00:39:19,075
And then she said,

951
00:39:19,075 --> 00:39:21,380
"I'm gonna be his second wife."

952
00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:24,319
And then I was, like, "What?"

953
00:39:24,319 --> 00:39:27,225
But she had already
taken the name Shakur

954
00:39:27,225 --> 00:39:29,129
because of the father.

955
00:39:29,129 --> 00:39:31,300
JAMAL: Lumumba's father
was a prominent imam,

956
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:34,272
head of one of the largest
mosques in Philadelphia.

957
00:39:34,272 --> 00:39:36,443
BLOOD: Saladin.
He was a merchant.

958
00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:38,414
He had a lot of land in Ghana.

959
00:39:38,414 --> 00:39:42,088
Very mild-mannered guy.
And he educated his son.

960
00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:44,092
LUMUMBA: Genocide is being
inflicted on our people.

961
00:39:44,092 --> 00:39:46,063
That's why I'm about
to be extinct,

962
00:39:46,063 --> 00:39:48,400
and be like the American-Indian
in a couple more years.

963
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,771
JAMAL: Lumumba Shakur
was a gang leader,

964
00:39:50,771 --> 00:39:53,177
but Lumumba
and his brother Zayd Shakur

965
00:39:53,177 --> 00:39:55,514
became
revolutionary nationalists,

966
00:39:55,514 --> 00:39:57,285
and they brought with them
a lot of revolutionary nationalists,

967
00:39:57,285 --> 00:39:59,256
and they became Panthers.

968
00:39:59,256 --> 00:40:02,462
Lumumba had a beard
and a goatee, permanent shades.

969
00:40:02,462 --> 00:40:04,766
He looked like a-- Okay.

970
00:40:04,766 --> 00:40:06,470
He looked like, to me,

971
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:09,309
a shorter guy than I would have
thought she would have.

972
00:40:09,309 --> 00:40:12,148
But he was the most
commanding person in the room.

973
00:40:12,148 --> 00:40:14,519
- He had a stutter.
- Even the stuttering was fly.

974
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,256
He wasn't cute.

975
00:40:16,256 --> 00:40:17,492
My role model,

976
00:40:17,492 --> 00:40:19,964
my image
of what a man should be.

977
00:40:19,964 --> 00:40:23,103
And there were people in the
movement who weren't related,

978
00:40:23,103 --> 00:40:24,539
who changed their last name
to Shakur.

979
00:40:24,539 --> 00:40:26,510
That's how powerful
the name was.

980
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:30,284
Assata Shakur was one of those
people, and Mutulu Shakur.

981
00:40:30,284 --> 00:40:32,221
TUPAC: My stepfather,
Mutulu Shakur,

982
00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:35,094
was also like
a well-known revolutionary.

983
00:40:35,094 --> 00:40:37,365
SHABA: He's a natural healer,
to the extent that

984
00:40:37,365 --> 00:40:39,971
he learned the art
of acupuncture

985
00:40:39,971 --> 00:40:42,208
to help communities detox.

986
00:40:42,208 --> 00:40:45,147
Colonial warfare,
mental disorder.

987
00:40:45,147 --> 00:40:48,989
As colonized subjects,
it's normal to have
issues from oppression.

988
00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:50,358
JAMAL: People were
fighting depression,

989
00:40:50,358 --> 00:40:52,528
homelessness, drug addiction.

990
00:40:52,528 --> 00:40:53,999
When I came out of Vietnam,

991
00:40:53,999 --> 00:40:55,368
my choice of drug was heroin.

992
00:40:55,368 --> 00:40:58,273
I snort that shit.
I loved that shit.

993
00:40:58,273 --> 00:41:00,244
It's like PTSD, man.

994
00:41:00,244 --> 00:41:02,015
JAMAL: Hard drugs were forbidden

995
00:41:02,015 --> 00:41:03,450
in the Black Panther Party.

996
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:06,223
In fact,
they would go into dope spots,

997
00:41:06,223 --> 00:41:08,127
guns drawn, disarm the dealers,

998
00:41:08,127 --> 00:41:11,066
destroy the drugs,
flush it down the sewer.

999
00:41:11,066 --> 00:41:13,037
So it was all that
wrapped up in one

1000
00:41:13,037 --> 00:41:16,576
when the Shakurs were there
in that Panther office.

1001
00:41:16,576 --> 00:41:18,514
Afeni was already
a section leader,

1002
00:41:18,514 --> 00:41:20,484
which is a lieutenant
in the Black Panther Party

1003
00:41:20,484 --> 00:41:22,321
on the frontline
with rent strikes

1004
00:41:22,321 --> 00:41:24,225
and with school takeovers.

1005
00:41:24,225 --> 00:41:26,998
So watching the two of them
run a meeting,

1006
00:41:26,998 --> 00:41:28,400
one of my friends leans over,
he says,

1007
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,171
"Panthers is
like the Mafia, man.

1008
00:41:30,171 --> 00:41:32,208
Once you join,
there's no getting out."

1009
00:41:32,208 --> 00:41:34,980
And my other friend
leans over and he goes,

1010
00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:37,051
"You know, you got to kill
a White dude to be a Panther."

1011
00:41:37,051 --> 00:41:40,358
And I'm, like, "Kill somebody?
I'm in the choir."

1012
00:41:40,358 --> 00:41:43,030
But I can't be a punk.
I was like, "I don't care."

1013
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:46,570
And big afro, skinny Jamal
jumps up and goes,

1014
00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:50,211
"Choose me, brother.
I'll kill a White dude
right now."

1015
00:41:50,211 --> 00:41:52,014
The whole office gets quiet.

1016
00:41:52,014 --> 00:41:55,054
Lumumba calls me up,
looks me up and down,

1017
00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:57,291
and reaches into
the bottom drawer of the desk.

1018
00:41:57,291 --> 00:41:59,596
My heart's pounding.
I was, like,

1019
00:41:59,596 --> 00:42:03,070
"He's gonna give me
a big-ass gun.
What I'ma do?"

1020
00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:05,441
And he hands me
a stack of books.

1021
00:42:05,441 --> 00:42:07,045
And I said,
"Excuse me, brother,

1022
00:42:07,045 --> 00:42:08,414
I thought you were
gonna arm me."

1023
00:42:08,414 --> 00:42:10,051
And he says,
"Excuse me, young brother,

1024
00:42:10,051 --> 00:42:11,486
I just did."

1025
00:42:11,486 --> 00:42:15,594
And Afeni Shakur
comes up to me,

1026
00:42:15,594 --> 00:42:18,434
and she says,
"I've got my eye on you."

1027
00:42:19,502 --> 00:42:21,139
Malcolm X.

1028
00:42:21,139 --> 00:42:23,210
AFENI:
I worship the written word.

1029
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:24,446
JAMAL: Mao Tse-tung.

1030
00:42:24,446 --> 00:42:27,085
AFENI: Anything written.

1031
00:42:27,085 --> 00:42:29,422
- JAMAL: Frantz Fanon.
- AFENI: It's a way for us,

1032
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:32,128
on our own, to get information.

1033
00:42:32,128 --> 00:42:33,230
JAMAL: Fidel Castro,
History Will Absolve Me.

1034
00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:35,167
AFENI: Information.

1035
00:42:35,167 --> 00:42:36,336
JAMAL: I never even heard
of political power

1036
00:42:36,336 --> 00:42:38,173
comes out a barrel of a gun.

1037
00:42:38,173 --> 00:42:39,375
That was a quotation
from The Little Red Book

1038
00:42:39,375 --> 00:42:41,213
by Chairman Mao.

1039
00:42:41,213 --> 00:42:43,217
The gun aspect
wasn't new to me.

1040
00:42:43,217 --> 00:42:46,223
What was new was understanding
what that was for.

1041
00:42:46,223 --> 00:42:48,995
It was treated as a tool
for liberation, not to disrupt,

1042
00:42:48,995 --> 00:42:51,133
not to rob, not to maim.

1043
00:42:51,133 --> 00:42:53,137
MIKE WALLACE: Whatever else
the Panthers may teach,

1044
00:42:53,137 --> 00:42:55,074
they do not teach racism.

1045
00:42:55,074 --> 00:42:56,610
They do not teach
Black supremacy.

1046
00:42:56,610 --> 00:42:59,182
They talk about the problems
of all the poor.

1047
00:42:59,182 --> 00:43:00,484
SEALE: We don't hate nobody
because of their color.

1048
00:43:00,484 --> 00:43:02,388
We hate oppression.

1049
00:43:02,388 --> 00:43:05,094
We hate murder of Black people
in our communities.

1050
00:43:05,094 --> 00:43:08,133
We hate the gross unemployment
that exists in our community.

1051
00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:12,175
We hate Black man being taken
off into the military service,

1052
00:43:12,175 --> 00:43:14,112
to be fighting for racist,
decadent Americans

1053
00:43:14,112 --> 00:43:15,581
promising us freedom.

1054
00:43:15,581 --> 00:43:17,518
In the Civil War,
186,000 Black men

1055
00:43:17,518 --> 00:43:19,456
fought in the military service,

1056
00:43:19,456 --> 00:43:21,326
and we were promised freedom,
and we didn't get it.

1057
00:43:21,326 --> 00:43:24,065
In the World War,
350,000 Black men fought,

1058
00:43:24,065 --> 00:43:26,269
and we were promised freedom,
and we didn't get it.

1059
00:43:26,269 --> 00:43:29,275
In World War II,
850,000 Black men fought,

1060
00:43:29,275 --> 00:43:31,413
and we were promised freedom,
and we didn't get it.

1061
00:43:31,413 --> 00:43:33,317
In the Korean Conflict,

1062
00:43:33,317 --> 00:43:35,120
we fought there,
and we didn't get it.

1063
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,556
Now here we go
with the damn Vietnam War,

1064
00:43:36,556 --> 00:43:38,427
and we still
ain't getting nothing

1065
00:43:38,427 --> 00:43:40,498
but racist police brutality,
et cetera.

1066
00:43:40,498 --> 00:43:43,237
JAMAL: Panthers will say racism
is a byproduct of capitalism,

1067
00:43:43,237 --> 00:43:46,042
recognizing that there are more
White people on welfare

1068
00:43:46,042 --> 00:43:48,280
than Black folks.
And if you can organize,

1069
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,019
then you are dealing
with true change

1070
00:43:51,019 --> 00:43:52,555
and a true rainbow alliance.

1071
00:43:52,555 --> 00:43:54,425
We're talking
about class warfare.

1072
00:43:54,425 --> 00:43:57,431
♪ I couldn't settle
For being a statistic ♪

1073
00:43:57,431 --> 00:44:00,237
♪ Couldn't survive in this
Capitalistic government ♪

1074
00:44:00,237 --> 00:44:02,074
♪ Because it was meant
To hold us back ♪

1075
00:44:02,074 --> 00:44:04,312
♪ Using ignorance,
Drugs to sneak attack ♪

1076
00:44:04,312 --> 00:44:06,316
♪ In my community,
They killed the unity ♪

1077
00:44:06,316 --> 00:44:08,487
♪ But when I charged them
Tried to claim immunity ♪

1078
00:44:08,487 --> 00:44:10,791
♪ I strike America
Like a case of heart disease ♪

1079
00:44:10,791 --> 00:44:13,197
♪ Panther power is running
Through my arteries ♪

1080
00:44:13,197 --> 00:44:14,532
♪ Panther power... ♪

1081
00:44:14,532 --> 00:44:16,336
LEILA: And in 1989,

1082
00:44:16,336 --> 00:44:19,008
Tupac was getting
really popular,

1083
00:44:19,008 --> 00:44:21,213
and everyone loved Tupac.

1084
00:44:22,281 --> 00:44:23,584
♪ Panther power... ♪

1085
00:44:23,584 --> 00:44:25,321
LEILA:
We were throwing parties.

1086
00:44:25,321 --> 00:44:28,026
There'd be 500 people,
2,000 people.

1087
00:44:28,026 --> 00:44:29,696
♪ Panther power... ♪

1088
00:44:29,696 --> 00:44:32,468
LEILA: Then I had an event
Atron was actually at.

1089
00:44:32,468 --> 00:44:34,405
And he was, like,

1090
00:44:34,405 --> 00:44:36,576
- "Hmm, here's my card."
- ATRON: Energy.

1091
00:44:36,576 --> 00:44:39,082
The intensity
of his eyes and the vibe.

1092
00:44:39,082 --> 00:44:41,353
I saw energy.

1093
00:44:41,353 --> 00:44:44,092
♪ Try to stop me ♪
Oh, boy you'll be clawed
to death ♪

1094
00:44:44,092 --> 00:44:46,296
♪ 'Cause I'll be fighting
for my freedom
With my dying breath ♪

1095
00:44:46,296 --> 00:44:48,467
♪ Do you remember?
That's what I'm asking you ♪

1096
00:44:48,467 --> 00:44:50,604
♪ You think you living free?
Don't make me laugh at you ♪

1097
00:44:50,604 --> 00:44:53,343
♪ Open your eyes, realize
You've been locked in chains ♪

1098
00:44:53,343 --> 00:44:55,447
♪ Said you wasn't civilized
And stole your name ♪

1099
00:44:55,447 --> 00:44:57,785
♪ Some time has passed
Seems you all forget ♪

1100
00:44:57,785 --> 00:44:59,489
♪ There ain't no liberty
For you and me ♪

1101
00:44:59,489 --> 00:45:01,226
♪ We ain't free yet
Panther power ♪

1102
00:45:01,226 --> 00:45:03,163
ATRON: You know, looking back,

1103
00:45:03,163 --> 00:45:04,299
he has one of the most
unique voices in hip-hop.

1104
00:45:04,299 --> 00:45:05,601
But I went out and shopped

1105
00:45:05,601 --> 00:45:07,572
Tupac to every company I knew,

1106
00:45:07,572 --> 00:45:09,275
and every company I could,
and everyone turned us down.

1107
00:45:09,275 --> 00:45:10,644
♪ Panther power ♪

1108
00:45:10,644 --> 00:45:15,354
He said,
"Look, if I don't get a deal,

1109
00:45:15,354 --> 00:45:18,427
then I'm gonna go
be the chairman
of the New Afrikan Panthers."

1110
00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:20,564
And I'm, like,
"The New Afrikan Panthers?
What's this?"

1111
00:45:37,164 --> 00:45:38,868
ATRON:
Tupac understood his audience.

1112
00:45:38,868 --> 00:45:41,406
He was reading
music business books

1113
00:45:41,406 --> 00:45:44,279
prior to getting a deal,
just trying to understand

1114
00:45:44,279 --> 00:45:46,816
where things were
with the business.

1115
00:45:46,816 --> 00:45:48,820
And with Tupac, there was
kind of two sides.

1116
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:50,457
A lot of people like to say
he was a Gemini.

1117
00:45:50,457 --> 00:45:52,328
He was this, but he also

1118
00:45:52,328 --> 00:45:53,865
came from a family of Panthers.

1119
00:45:53,865 --> 00:45:57,238
So there was a constant
tug and pull

1120
00:45:57,238 --> 00:45:59,709
of just wanting to be an artist

1121
00:45:59,709 --> 00:46:01,813
and having to be this person

1122
00:46:01,813 --> 00:46:03,684
who I think

1123
00:46:03,684 --> 00:46:06,222
would've ended up
being a politician or activist.

1124
00:46:06,222 --> 00:46:09,462
But at that time, I didn't have
a real relationship

1125
00:46:09,462 --> 00:46:12,435
with Tupac as related
to his history

1126
00:46:12,435 --> 00:46:14,439
of his mother being
in the Panthers

1127
00:46:14,439 --> 00:46:17,178
and how most
of his mentors were in jail.

1128
00:46:17,178 --> 00:46:18,848
He never mentioned
his mother to me.

1129
00:46:18,848 --> 00:46:20,217
His family was leaded.

1130
00:46:53,383 --> 00:46:55,220
LEILA: Tupac was born

1131
00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:58,393
into a family that required him

1132
00:46:58,393 --> 00:47:00,230
to be a leader,

1133
00:47:00,230 --> 00:47:02,301
and there was a real plan
for Tupac.

1134
00:47:02,301 --> 00:47:03,905
He was gonna be, you know,

1135
00:47:03,905 --> 00:47:06,743
the chairman of
the New Afrikan Panther Party,

1136
00:47:06,743 --> 00:47:08,881
which was a continuation

1137
00:47:08,881 --> 00:47:10,484
of the Black Panthers.

1138
00:47:12,388 --> 00:47:14,225
MAN: Now, how long have you been

1139
00:47:14,225 --> 00:47:15,794
national chairman
of the New Afrikan Panthers?

1140
00:47:15,794 --> 00:47:17,498
TUPAC: I was... (chuckling)
matter of fact,

1141
00:47:17,498 --> 00:47:19,235
- about, what, a week.
- MAN: A week?

1142
00:47:19,235 --> 00:47:20,237
TUPAC: We had a central
committee meeting.

1143
00:47:20,237 --> 00:47:21,773
We had representatives

1144
00:47:21,773 --> 00:47:23,845
from Los Angeles and Atlanta

1145
00:47:23,845 --> 00:47:25,714
and, uh, Mississippi

1146
00:47:25,714 --> 00:47:27,986
and New York,
and we just had a vote.

1147
00:47:27,986 --> 00:47:29,722
WATANI: Pac was
always an artist.

1148
00:47:29,722 --> 00:47:30,859
Particularly,
he was a wordsmith,

1149
00:47:30,859 --> 00:47:32,261
one of the best I knew at that.

1150
00:47:32,261 --> 00:47:34,265
And so that was part of Tupac's

1151
00:47:34,265 --> 00:47:35,801
and young people's job

1152
00:47:35,801 --> 00:47:38,440
was to be griots,
or use their art form

1153
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,778
to talk about our movement.

1154
00:47:40,778 --> 00:47:42,415
TUPAC: It is my duty to be one

1155
00:47:42,415 --> 00:47:45,254
of many spokesmen, spokespersons.

1156
00:47:45,254 --> 00:47:48,260
And because right now,
it is almost impossible

1157
00:47:48,260 --> 00:47:50,831
for you not to see how strong
rap has gotten,

1158
00:47:50,831 --> 00:47:52,869
'cause our youth
and some of our adults,

1159
00:47:52,869 --> 00:47:55,707
their ear is pinned
to rap music right now.

1160
00:47:55,707 --> 00:47:57,445
And if you really want
to get our message out,

1161
00:47:57,445 --> 00:47:59,715
we really need
to start using our method,

1162
00:47:59,715 --> 00:48:01,419
you know what I'm saying?
Even in our history,

1163
00:48:01,419 --> 00:48:03,290
poets went
from village to village,

1164
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:05,694
and that's how stories
of lessons were taught.

1165
00:48:05,694 --> 00:48:09,702
But, uh,
history repeats itself,
and it's time to realize

1166
00:48:09,702 --> 00:48:12,708
that everything is not okay
in America, you know,
to get angry, you know,

1167
00:48:12,708 --> 00:48:14,712
and not angry
and pick up their gun

1168
00:48:14,712 --> 00:48:16,816
but to start opening our minds,
you know what I'm saying,

1169
00:48:16,816 --> 00:48:17,919
and stop sleeping.

1170
00:48:37,792 --> 00:48:40,731
JAMAL: Two of the most
valuable lessons I learned
in the Black Panther Party

1171
00:48:40,731 --> 00:48:42,468
came from Afeni Shakur.

1172
00:48:42,468 --> 00:48:45,741
She says, "Freedom
is an abstract idea to folk.

1173
00:48:45,741 --> 00:48:48,313
To someone who is hungry,
it's the meal.

1174
00:48:48,313 --> 00:48:51,352
To someone who doesn't have
a place to stay,

1175
00:48:51,352 --> 00:48:53,723
it's a warm,
safe place to sleep.

1176
00:48:53,723 --> 00:48:55,394
For the sick,
it's medical care

1177
00:48:55,394 --> 00:48:57,765
from someone who cares."

1178
00:48:57,765 --> 00:48:59,735
One of my first days
in the party,

1179
00:48:59,735 --> 00:49:01,773
a young mother comes in
carrying her little girl,

1180
00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:03,777
who was crying and trembling.

1181
00:49:03,777 --> 00:49:05,882
She explains that her daughter
has sickle cell anemia

1182
00:49:05,882 --> 00:49:08,353
and that she had taken her
to Harlem Hospital,

1183
00:49:08,353 --> 00:49:10,757
and that they said
that all she had was a cold,

1184
00:49:10,757 --> 00:49:12,761
that it was psychosomatic.

1185
00:49:12,761 --> 00:49:15,400
So Lumumba and Afeni
marched to Harlem Hospital,

1186
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,505
holding this girl.

1187
00:49:17,505 --> 00:49:19,910
And Afeni said, "You treat
this young sister right now,

1188
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:23,483
or there's gonna be
a psychosomatic riot
in your emergency room."

1189
00:49:23,483 --> 00:49:25,354
But Afeni didn't
leave it alone at that.

1190
00:49:25,354 --> 00:49:27,024
She formed a relationship

1191
00:49:27,024 --> 00:49:28,961
with a couple of the doctors
and nurses,

1192
00:49:28,961 --> 00:49:31,934
and we would rally together
outside the hospital,

1193
00:49:31,934 --> 00:49:34,038
demanding that they treat
the needs of the people,

1194
00:49:34,038 --> 00:49:36,109
whether they had
insurance or not.

1195
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:38,915
And then especially
Lincoln Hospital

1196
00:49:38,915 --> 00:49:43,390
became the place where Panthers
and the Young Lords

1197
00:49:43,390 --> 00:49:45,827
started doing these takeovers.

1198
00:49:45,827 --> 00:49:47,831
"Come get tested,
come get treated."

1199
00:49:47,831 --> 00:49:50,939
And they wrote the first
Patient Bill of Rights,

1200
00:49:50,939 --> 00:49:53,710
the foundational document
for what we see

1201
00:49:53,710 --> 00:49:55,714
in every hospital room now,

1202
00:49:55,714 --> 00:49:57,518
where a patient has
a right to be treated,

1203
00:49:57,518 --> 00:49:59,722
a right to medical care
whether they have money or not.

1204
00:49:59,722 --> 00:50:01,526
That was the work
of Afeni Shakur,

1205
00:50:01,526 --> 00:50:03,396
Doc Dawkins, Cleo Silvers,

1206
00:50:03,396 --> 00:50:04,799
the Panthers, and the Lords.

1207
00:50:07,438 --> 00:50:09,877
GLORIA: I am in awe
of my sister.

1208
00:50:09,877 --> 00:50:13,149
She either started the shit
or got in the shit

1209
00:50:13,149 --> 00:50:14,819
that was already started.

1210
00:50:16,522 --> 00:50:19,729
WATANI: If she agreed
to do something,

1211
00:50:19,729 --> 00:50:22,969
it was done, thoroughly.

1212
00:50:22,969 --> 00:50:25,975
So, what that made you do
being in her company,

1213
00:50:25,975 --> 00:50:28,948
either step up or step off.

1214
00:50:28,948 --> 00:50:31,819
Her son, same thing.

1215
00:50:31,819 --> 00:50:34,993
It's the same type of spirit
that they had.

1216
00:50:34,993 --> 00:50:38,968
WATANI: Both charismatic,
both took charge of a room,

1217
00:50:38,968 --> 00:50:41,739
both intelligent, articulate, argumentative,

1218
00:50:41,739 --> 00:50:44,111
you know, so there was
a lot of Afeni there in Pac.

1219
00:50:44,111 --> 00:50:46,449
LEILA: Tupac
has the biggest heart

1220
00:50:46,449 --> 00:50:48,520
of anyone that I've known.

1221
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,858
He was different than anybody.

1222
00:50:50,858 --> 00:50:53,496
I mean, he was
the Marvin Gaye of rap.

1223
00:50:53,496 --> 00:50:56,870
And I thought I was not
managing an artist

1224
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:58,640
but a campaign,

1225
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,981
because to me, Tupac was always
running for office.

1226
00:51:01,981 --> 00:51:04,853
It was always
about critical mass.

1227
00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:08,995
So he was gonna go chair
the New Afrikan Panther Party

1228
00:51:08,995 --> 00:51:11,867
unless he got
a deal immediately

1229
00:51:11,867 --> 00:51:14,906
because that would be
a faster path

1230
00:51:14,906 --> 00:51:17,011
to access what he needed.

1231
00:51:17,011 --> 00:51:20,217
And Atron was managing
a group in the Bay Area.

1232
00:51:20,217 --> 00:51:22,154
TUPAC: Who's that?

1233
00:51:22,154 --> 00:51:24,792
LEILA: So he set up a meeting
for us to see them.

1234
00:51:24,792 --> 00:51:27,498
TUPAC: He's in the bathroom.
Let's go see who it is.

1235
00:51:27,498 --> 00:51:31,839
Oh, shit. My nigga
Shocka laka, laka, laka, laka.

1236
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:33,510
Simply trying to get
the fade together here,

1237
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:36,182
- I mean... (indistinct)
- (Tupac laughing)

1238
00:51:36,182 --> 00:51:38,219
Y'all wanna see me
take a shit, too?

1239
00:51:38,219 --> 00:51:39,488
- Come on, take a shit.
- TUPAC: Uh-oh. This is

1240
00:51:39,488 --> 00:51:41,059
Shocka laka, laka, laka, laka...

1241
00:51:41,059 --> 00:51:42,061
- taking a shit.
- SHOCK G: Taking a shit.

1242
00:51:42,061 --> 00:51:43,864
(Tupac laughing)

1243
00:51:50,650 --> 00:51:51,774
MAN: Have you ever performed

1244
00:51:51,774 --> 00:51:54,819
what, uh, people call
"gangsta rap"?

1245
00:51:54,819 --> 00:51:56,656
- TUPAC: No.
- MAN: Oh.

1246
00:51:56,656 --> 00:51:58,026
MAN: Have you heard the term?

1247
00:51:58,026 --> 00:51:59,930
- A lot.
- MAN: Okay.

1248
00:51:59,930 --> 00:52:01,799
- A lot.
- MAN: Well,
what do you understand

1249
00:52:01,799 --> 00:52:03,036
the term to mean?

1250
00:52:04,705 --> 00:52:06,609
I understand it to be...

1251
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:10,885
a category that mostly

1252
00:52:10,885 --> 00:52:13,657
what I've seen the media

1253
00:52:13,657 --> 00:52:16,663
and people outside
the rap world classify

1254
00:52:16,663 --> 00:52:19,035
as any music
other than party music.

1255
00:52:19,035 --> 00:52:21,907
- MAN: Okay.
Now, Digital Underground...
- (funky music plays, stops)

1256
00:52:21,907 --> 00:52:24,178
- ...what kind of music
did they perform?
- (funky music plays, stops)

1257
00:52:24,178 --> 00:52:27,117
- They...
- MAN: Digital Underground.

1258
00:52:27,117 --> 00:52:29,121
Party music.
Strictly party music.

1259
00:52:29,121 --> 00:52:34,065
ANNOUNCER:
Digital Underground!

1260
00:52:34,065 --> 00:52:36,803
♪ All right, stop whatcha doin'
'Cause I'm about to ruin ♪

1261
00:52:36,803 --> 00:52:39,008
♪ The image and the style
That you're used to... ♪

1262
00:52:39,008 --> 00:52:41,179
(laughing)

1263
00:52:41,179 --> 00:52:42,781
Strictly party music.

1264
00:52:43,984 --> 00:52:45,687
MONEY B: Digital Underground

1265
00:52:45,687 --> 00:52:46,689
consisted of Shock G,

1266
00:52:46,689 --> 00:52:48,827
Chopmaster J, DJ Fuze,

1267
00:52:48,827 --> 00:52:51,099
- Money B, and of course...
- SCHMOOV: What's up, y'all?

1268
00:52:51,099 --> 00:52:52,936
"Schmoov" Eddie Humphrey
in the house.

1269
00:52:52,936 --> 00:52:54,940
♪ The Humpty Dance ♪

1270
00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:56,576
♪ Is your chance
To do the hump... ♪

1271
00:52:56,576 --> 00:52:58,613
Hold up, though, hold up.

1272
00:52:58,613 --> 00:52:59,815
ATRON:
Shock G was the mastermind

1273
00:52:59,815 --> 00:53:01,219
behind Digital Underground.

1274
00:53:01,219 --> 00:53:03,690
Fly, my nigga there.
Look at that nigga.

1275
00:53:03,690 --> 00:53:05,093
ATRON: He came up
with the concept,
produced the music, and...

1276
00:53:05,093 --> 00:53:06,829
♪ I once got busy ♪

1277
00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:08,099
♪ In a Burger King bathroom ♪

1278
00:53:08,099 --> 00:53:10,036
...literally a musical genius.

1279
00:53:10,036 --> 00:53:13,710
And the only hip-hop producer
ever on a Prince record.

1280
00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:15,080
- MAN: Which record was it?
- I don't remember. (laughs)

1281
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,584
♪ Come here, are ya ticklish? ♪

1282
00:53:17,584 --> 00:53:18,954
♪ Yeah, I called ya fat
Look at me, I'm skinny ♪

1283
00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:20,624
Shock, how was that?

1284
00:53:20,624 --> 00:53:22,996
I like the first one
a little bit better.

1285
00:53:22,996 --> 00:53:24,231
MONEY B: This is right
when we were finishing
"The Humpty Dance."

1286
00:53:24,231 --> 00:53:26,736
SHOCK G:
I'm at the mixing board.

1287
00:53:26,736 --> 00:53:29,108
All the sudden,
H and, uh, Leila
send this kid to the studio.

1288
00:53:29,108 --> 00:53:32,147
"Shock G, what's up? I'm Tupac.
Do you want me to rhyme now?"

1289
00:53:32,147 --> 00:53:34,018
I was, like,
"Damn, this guy's intense."

1290
00:53:34,018 --> 00:53:35,720
You know?
He didn't wanna chill.

1291
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:38,126
("Static Mix 2" playing)

1292
00:53:48,646 --> 00:53:50,617
ATRON: Digital was getting ready
to go out on the road,

1293
00:53:50,617 --> 00:53:52,020
and I said, "If we don't do
something with Pac,

1294
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:54,725
he's gonna leave."
Shock said...

1295
00:53:54,725 --> 00:53:57,631
SHOCK G: "Damn, well,
we don't really need
any more rappers.

1296
00:53:57,631 --> 00:53:59,870
You know, we could always
use a roadie.

1297
00:53:59,870 --> 00:54:01,672
We can always use a dancer."

1298
00:54:01,672 --> 00:54:03,209
Pac was, like, "Anything.

1299
00:54:03,209 --> 00:54:05,080
I just wanna get out of here
before I go crazy."

1300
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,649
MONEY B: He was stressed.
His mom was on crack,

1301
00:54:06,649 --> 00:54:08,686
he got a little sister,

1302
00:54:08,686 --> 00:54:10,223
and he didn't know where
his next meal was coming from.

1303
00:54:10,223 --> 00:54:12,795
But he knew he was a star
from day one.

1304
00:54:12,795 --> 00:54:15,767
This all had happened
the same time
the earthquake happened.

1305
00:54:15,767 --> 00:54:17,671
(rumbling)

1306
00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:19,108
And so everyone
was going crazy,

1307
00:54:19,108 --> 00:54:21,646
and "The Humpty Dance"
just came about that way.

1308
00:54:21,646 --> 00:54:23,616
(baby wailing)

1309
00:54:23,616 --> 00:54:25,787
(" The Humpty Dance"
by Digital Underground playing)

1310
00:54:25,787 --> 00:54:28,359
♪ Shaking and twitching
Kinda like I was smoking ♪

1311
00:54:28,359 --> 00:54:30,630
♪ Crazy, whack, funky,
People say ♪

1312
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:33,036
♪ "You look like M. C. Hammer
On crack, Humpty" ♪

1313
00:54:33,036 --> 00:54:35,106
SHOCK G: " The Humpty Dance"
threw us around the world immediately.

1314
00:54:35,106 --> 00:54:36,977
So being that we were so large,

1315
00:54:36,977 --> 00:54:38,346
you can only expect people
to play into it.

1316
00:54:38,346 --> 00:54:39,916
But it was beyond that
with Tupac.

1317
00:54:39,916 --> 00:54:41,786
The very first day

1318
00:54:41,786 --> 00:54:43,122
of his very first tour,
the soundman was fucking up

1319
00:54:43,122 --> 00:54:45,093
our music,
and Tupac swings on him.

1320
00:54:45,093 --> 00:54:47,798
Luckily, Atron was there
to catch him.

1321
00:54:47,798 --> 00:54:49,702
But damn, he was, like,
"I'm gonna show these guys.

1322
00:54:49,702 --> 00:54:50,804
I'm gonna knock this
motherfucker out for y'all."

1323
00:54:50,804 --> 00:54:52,074
♪ Gather round ♪

1324
00:54:52,074 --> 00:54:54,078
♪ I'm the new fool in town ♪

1325
00:54:54,078 --> 00:54:56,048
♪ And my sound's laid down
By the Underground... ♪

1326
00:54:56,048 --> 00:54:58,686
SHOCK G: He was very loyal.
He wanted to please.

1327
00:54:58,686 --> 00:55:01,125
He rolled in,
he'd load the bus,
he carried the equipment.

1328
00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,929
And it was never
no flak with him.

1329
00:55:02,929 --> 00:55:04,798
CHOPMASTER J:
Tupac knew the magic words,

1330
00:55:04,798 --> 00:55:06,702
because he understood
making himself of service.

1331
00:55:06,702 --> 00:55:10,076
"Chop, what can I do to help
so that I can be put on?"

1332
00:55:10,076 --> 00:55:11,980
♪ Oh, do me, baby ♪

1333
00:55:14,018 --> 00:55:15,420
SHOCK G: He moved up
through the ranks

1334
00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:16,822
of Digital Underground quickly.

1335
00:55:16,822 --> 00:55:18,726
Earned our respect.

1336
00:55:18,726 --> 00:55:20,697
That's why Pac wound up
on "Same Song."

1337
00:55:20,697 --> 00:55:21,867
♪ Now I clown around
When I hang around ♪

1338
00:55:21,867 --> 00:55:24,104
♪ With my Underground ♪

1339
00:55:24,104 --> 00:55:26,008
♪ Girls use to frown,
Say I'm down
When I come round ♪

1340
00:55:26,008 --> 00:55:28,079
♪ Gas me, and when they pass me
They use to diss me ♪

1341
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,383
♪ Harass me, but now they
Ask me if they can kiss me ♪

1342
00:55:30,383 --> 00:55:32,721
♪ Get some fame, people change
Wanna live they life high ♪

1343
00:55:32,721 --> 00:55:35,093
♪ Same song can't go wrong
If I play the nice guy ♪

1344
00:55:35,093 --> 00:55:37,866
♪ Claiming fame,
Must have changed,
Now that we became strong ♪

1345
00:55:37,866 --> 00:55:39,235
- ♪ I remain still the same ♪
- ♪ Why Tu? ♪

1346
00:55:39,235 --> 00:55:40,905
♪ 'Cause it's the same song ♪

1347
00:55:40,905 --> 00:55:43,176
TUPAC: Shock G made sure
people saw me

1348
00:55:43,176 --> 00:55:46,749
as a member of the group
and not the posse,
and because he did that,

1349
00:55:46,749 --> 00:55:49,421
it gave me a courage
and a confidence to really
just do what I want.

1350
00:55:49,421 --> 00:55:52,027
That's the best thing
one human being could do
for another one.

1351
00:55:52,027 --> 00:55:56,168
SHOCK G: The hardest-working
man in hip-hop, hands down.

1352
00:55:56,168 --> 00:55:59,742
At the time in '91,
we were on tour constantly.

1353
00:55:59,742 --> 00:56:04,118
Most of our visual memories
of Tupac is with a pen and pad.

1354
00:56:04,118 --> 00:56:06,155
His hotel room looked
like a bomb went off.

1355
00:56:06,155 --> 00:56:08,159
Blunt scrapings
on every counter.

1356
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:10,130
He just wasn't thinking
about that mundane shit.

1357
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:12,000
Always writing.

1358
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,436
ATRON: He wanted to be
the best he could be,

1359
00:56:13,436 --> 00:56:14,772
he wanted to be number one.

1360
00:56:14,772 --> 00:56:16,309
Sometimes in the morning,

1361
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:18,446
Tupac would've read
two papers, a book,

1362
00:56:18,446 --> 00:56:20,183
listened to two records,

1363
00:56:20,183 --> 00:56:22,054
watched a movie by 8:00,
9:00 in the morning,

1364
00:56:22,054 --> 00:56:24,458
and probably smoked
a half-ounce of weed.

1365
00:56:24,458 --> 00:56:27,764
How else do you
become number one than studying
people at the top?

1366
00:56:27,764 --> 00:56:30,770
MONEY B: Hip-hop was
changing with N. W. A.

1367
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:35,180
The aggressive, hardcore
mentality was more glorified.

1368
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:37,751
But every morning,

1369
00:56:37,751 --> 00:56:40,056
Tupac would always be
in the back of the tour bus...

1370
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:43,897
in his feelings,
like a ritual...

1371
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:48,106
blasting some Mariah Carey.

1372
00:56:48,106 --> 00:56:50,043
"Visions of Love."

1373
00:56:50,043 --> 00:56:52,781
And he's trying
to explain what it means.

1374
00:56:52,781 --> 00:56:54,485
And he's, like,
"You don't understand,
This is Mariah Carey."

1375
00:56:54,485 --> 00:56:56,489
ATRON: He listened
to all types of music

1376
00:56:56,489 --> 00:56:58,259
that were on the charts, and
say, "What are they doing?"

1377
00:56:58,259 --> 00:57:00,497
What are their lyrics?
What is their sound?"

1378
00:57:00,497 --> 00:57:02,501
And I know that him and Leila
worked on a plan.

1379
00:57:02,501 --> 00:57:05,106
Tupac wanted
to seduce the children

1380
00:57:05,106 --> 00:57:06,475
of White America.

1381
00:57:06,475 --> 00:57:08,079
TUPAC: I had a whole energy

1382
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,050
that represents
not just Black youth,

1383
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:12,054
but White youth,
Mexican youth-- youth.

1384
00:57:12,054 --> 00:57:15,126
LEILA: He felt strongly
that in order to make shifts,

1385
00:57:15,126 --> 00:57:16,863
we had to do it together.

1386
00:57:16,863 --> 00:57:19,970
It was soft,
but let me give him credit.

1387
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:22,808
He had his vulnerable side,
or whatever you wanna call it,

1388
00:57:22,808 --> 00:57:24,812
and he wasn't afraid
to show it.

1389
00:57:24,812 --> 00:57:25,982
And we were actually
in New York

1390
00:57:25,982 --> 00:57:27,952
when a script was given to me

1391
00:57:27,952 --> 00:57:29,521
to audition for this movie, Juice.

1392
00:57:29,521 --> 00:57:31,525
This is, like, the making-of.

1393
00:57:31,525 --> 00:57:33,830
Hey, the making-of.

1394
00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:37,270
Now, little do y'all know,
it's all a bluff.

1395
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:39,541
I don't know how the script
was given to me,
'cause I'm not an actor.

1396
00:57:39,541 --> 00:57:41,212
Like, I didn't know
how to cry or anything.

1397
00:57:41,212 --> 00:57:43,483
I'm shaking,
I'm nervous as fuck.

1398
00:57:43,483 --> 00:57:44,551
But as I'm reading the script,
this character, Bishop,

1399
00:57:44,551 --> 00:57:46,288
reminds me of Tupac.

1400
00:57:46,288 --> 00:57:48,226
And I was, like,
"You should read for this."

1401
00:57:48,226 --> 00:57:50,130
So Tupac goes in the room.

1402
00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:52,834
And now Tupac is killing it.
You can hear claps and shit.

1403
00:57:52,834 --> 00:57:55,240
We run from Radames.
We run from security guards.

1404
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,513
We run from old man Quiles
in this fucking bullshit store

1405
00:57:58,513 --> 00:58:01,152
when he come
with that bullshit gun!

1406
00:58:01,152 --> 00:58:03,122
All we do is fucking run!

1407
00:58:03,122 --> 00:58:05,060
I feel like
I'm on a goddamn track team.

1408
00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:07,064
ATRON:
He was probably
at his happiest place.

1409
00:58:07,064 --> 00:58:09,168
MAN:
That was the time of his life.

1410
00:58:09,168 --> 00:58:11,005
And then I get a call
that there's a hot

1411
00:58:11,005 --> 00:58:13,276
new artist-friendly label
named Interscope

1412
00:58:13,276 --> 00:58:15,180
that want to make a deal
with us.

1413
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:17,885
He was over-the-moon excited.

1414
00:58:17,885 --> 00:58:20,557
But I made him open
a bank account.

1415
00:58:20,557 --> 00:58:23,997
The police saw him
walking across the street

1416
00:58:23,997 --> 00:58:27,003
to go get some money
out of the bank.

1417
00:58:27,003 --> 00:58:28,573
REPORTER:
Shakur admitted jaywalking

1418
00:58:28,573 --> 00:58:31,078
in downtown Oakland,
October 17th,

1419
00:58:31,078 --> 00:58:33,917
and also arguing
with the officers,
even using profanity.

1420
00:58:33,917 --> 00:58:36,188
But he said his treatment
didn't fit the crime.

1421
00:58:36,188 --> 00:58:38,593
I think they used a little bit
too much force, because, I mean,

1422
00:58:38,593 --> 00:58:41,900
he was already handcuffed,
and they were still hitting him.

1423
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,971
ATRON: Another change.

1424
00:58:43,971 --> 00:58:47,879
This is a point when he became
a television activist.

1425
00:58:52,521 --> 00:58:54,258
MAN: Could you spell your name
for the record

1426
00:58:54,258 --> 00:58:55,593
so we know that it's T-U-P-A-C?

1427
00:58:55,593 --> 00:58:58,332
TUPAC: Yes. Tupac.

1428
00:58:58,332 --> 00:58:59,501
MAN: Family name?

1429
00:58:59,501 --> 00:59:02,641
Shakur. S-H-A-K-U-R.

1430
00:59:02,641 --> 00:59:04,378
Shakur.

1431
00:59:04,378 --> 00:59:06,048
KAREN: Tupac always knew

1432
00:59:06,048 --> 00:59:08,519
that his name
would draw attention,

1433
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,623
but this was the first time

1434
00:59:10,623 --> 00:59:14,598
I think
he had been physically...

1435
00:59:14,598 --> 00:59:17,537
abused that way.

1436
00:59:17,537 --> 00:59:20,543
He was irate.

1437
00:59:20,543 --> 00:59:24,518
Afeni was in rehab
in Connecticut.

1438
00:59:24,518 --> 00:59:26,655
He said, "I need
for her to get better,
'cause I need her."

1439
00:59:26,655 --> 00:59:28,659
I remember him saying
specifically that,

1440
00:59:28,659 --> 00:59:31,599
"I need for her to get better,
'cause I need her."

1441
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,536
RYAN: Yeah, the police
messed him up.

1442
00:59:33,536 --> 00:59:36,642
He had knots on his head.
He got messed up.

1443
00:59:36,642 --> 00:59:38,713
That's why he had
to cut his hair off.

1444
00:59:38,713 --> 00:59:40,683
KAREN: He got alopecia.

1445
00:59:40,683 --> 00:59:42,521
And that's when he started
shaving his head,

1446
00:59:42,521 --> 00:59:45,026
because the hair wasn't
coming back in.

1447
00:59:45,026 --> 00:59:48,566
So that showed us that
there was something
going on internally

1448
00:59:48,566 --> 00:59:50,537
that he just wasn't
talking about.

1449
00:59:50,537 --> 00:59:52,607
And Afeni called me,

1450
00:59:52,607 --> 00:59:57,952
concerned how was her past
gonna affect his future?

1451
00:59:57,952 --> 01:00:01,392
AFENI: He came here
the son of a radical.

1452
01:00:01,392 --> 01:00:04,498
This country does not
look kindly on those people.

1453
01:00:04,498 --> 01:00:06,569
REPORTER: In Oakland today,

1454
01:00:06,569 --> 01:00:08,673
a Black musician
filed a $10 million claim

1455
01:00:08,673 --> 01:00:10,577
against
two White police officers,

1456
01:00:10,577 --> 01:00:13,382
saying they assaulted him
physically and verbally

1457
01:00:13,382 --> 01:00:15,653
after arresting him
for jaywalking.

1458
01:00:15,653 --> 01:00:18,359
Tupac Shakur is a member
of the popular rap group

1459
01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:19,761
Digital Underground.

1460
01:00:19,761 --> 01:00:21,265
TUPAC:
I was walking to Union Bank.

1461
01:00:21,265 --> 01:00:23,169
I was going to withdraw money.

1462
01:00:23,169 --> 01:00:24,505
I had my bank cards in my hand,
my beeper was going off.

1463
01:00:24,505 --> 01:00:26,275
I'm running across the street.

1464
01:00:26,275 --> 01:00:28,246
The police officer
stopped me on the sidewalk

1465
01:00:28,246 --> 01:00:30,316
and asked to see my ID.

1466
01:00:30,316 --> 01:00:32,587
He sweated me
about my name, like,

1467
01:00:32,587 --> 01:00:35,460
"I can't believe
your mother named you that."

1468
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:37,564
And they were charging me
with jaywalking.

1469
01:00:37,564 --> 01:00:40,170
So I was riffing
and arguing about...

1470
01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:42,207
why would they charge me
with such a petty crime?

1471
01:00:42,207 --> 01:00:45,513
The officers said,
"You are not above the law,

1472
01:00:45,513 --> 01:00:48,252
and just because
you're in a rap group
don't make you different.

1473
01:00:48,252 --> 01:00:49,621
You have to learn your place."

1474
01:00:49,621 --> 01:00:51,225
And they said,
"You have to learn

1475
01:00:51,225 --> 01:00:52,727
how to treat the police officers
of Oakland."

1476
01:00:52,727 --> 01:00:54,531
So I kept yelling,
"Just give me the citation.

1477
01:00:54,531 --> 01:00:56,168
Let me go about my business."

1478
01:00:56,168 --> 01:00:57,671
That was a problem.

1479
01:00:57,671 --> 01:00:59,341
But after I said that,
I was in a choke hold,

1480
01:00:59,341 --> 01:01:01,245
which is known as the sleeper.

1481
01:01:01,245 --> 01:01:04,618
Officer Boyovich repeatedly
slammed my face into the floor

1482
01:01:04,618 --> 01:01:06,689
while Rodgers
put the cuffs on me.

1483
01:01:06,689 --> 01:01:09,461
They was happy
after I was unconscious
in cuffs on the floor.

1484
01:01:13,369 --> 01:01:15,573
AFENI: For every young
Black male child,

1485
01:01:15,573 --> 01:01:18,246
at some point in his life,

1486
01:01:18,246 --> 01:01:21,318
there is 90% possibility

1487
01:01:21,318 --> 01:01:24,625
that some person is going
to look at that child

1488
01:01:24,625 --> 01:01:27,464
and denote to that child

1489
01:01:27,464 --> 01:01:31,572
what his station in life
will be in this country.

1490
01:01:33,576 --> 01:01:36,615
The police beat my son
in the streets of Oakland

1491
01:01:36,615 --> 01:01:38,786
because his name
was Tupac Amaru Shakur

1492
01:01:38,786 --> 01:01:40,523
and not Joe Blow.

1493
01:01:40,523 --> 01:01:42,327
TUPAC: My spirit was broke,

1494
01:01:42,327 --> 01:01:44,631
because after
I made consciousness again,

1495
01:01:44,631 --> 01:01:47,470
they kept joking about...
(coughs) "I can't breathe.
I can't breathe."

1496
01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:50,643
'Cause I couldn't breathe.
The breath was taken from me.

1497
01:01:50,643 --> 01:01:52,480
AFENI: What I wanted for my son

1498
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,418
is when they did that,

1499
01:01:54,418 --> 01:01:57,524
I wanted him to have a place
where he found beauty,

1500
01:01:57,524 --> 01:02:00,563
integrity and strength
within himself.

1501
01:02:00,563 --> 01:02:02,467
He could fight back at that.

1502
01:02:02,467 --> 01:02:04,237
And I thought that was
the most important thing

1503
01:02:04,237 --> 01:02:05,773
I could give to my son.

1504
01:02:05,773 --> 01:02:07,711
TUPAC: On every single track
on my album,

1505
01:02:07,711 --> 01:02:10,216
I talk about the injustices
of the young Black males.

1506
01:02:10,216 --> 01:02:12,454
And in my album, the number one
enemy is the police,

1507
01:02:12,454 --> 01:02:14,424
the crooked police officer.

1508
01:02:14,424 --> 01:02:16,228
And the ironic thing is that
it never happened to me.

1509
01:02:16,228 --> 01:02:18,499
I was speaking
from stories of my peers.

1510
01:02:18,499 --> 01:02:20,436
(indistinct chattering)

1511
01:02:20,436 --> 01:02:22,574
I missed my video debuting
on MTV.

1512
01:02:22,574 --> 01:02:24,611
First-time world premiere.

1513
01:02:24,611 --> 01:02:27,517
I spent seven hours in jail
for getting beat on by police.

1514
01:02:27,517 --> 01:02:29,655
And I'm in jail while
my video is being premiered.

1515
01:02:31,625 --> 01:02:33,195
♪ Hands up, throw me up
Against the wall ♪

1516
01:02:33,195 --> 01:02:35,166
♪ Didn't do a thing at all ♪

1517
01:02:35,166 --> 01:02:36,769
♪ Telling you one day
These suckers got to fall ♪

1518
01:02:36,769 --> 01:02:38,773
♪ Cuffed up, throw me
On the concrete ♪

1519
01:02:38,773 --> 01:02:41,412
♪ Coppers try to kill me
But they didn't know ♪

1520
01:02:41,412 --> 01:02:42,614
♪ This was the wrong street,
Bang, bang ♪

1521
01:02:42,614 --> 01:02:44,685
♪ Count another casualty ♪

1522
01:02:44,685 --> 01:02:46,388
♪ But it's a cop
Who's shot for his brutality ♪

1523
01:02:46,388 --> 01:02:48,359
♪ Who do you blame? ♪

1524
01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:50,396
♪ It's a shame
Because the man's slain ♪

1525
01:02:50,396 --> 01:02:52,701
♪ He got caught in the chains
Of his own game ♪

1526
01:02:52,701 --> 01:02:55,306
♪ How can I feel guilty
After all the things
They did to me? ♪

1527
01:02:55,306 --> 01:02:58,212
♪ Sweated me, hunted me
Trapped in my own community ♪

1528
01:02:58,212 --> 01:03:00,616
♪ One day I'm gonna bust
Blow up on this society ♪

1529
01:03:00,616 --> 01:03:02,520
♪ Why did you lie to me? ♪

1530
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,491
♪ I couldn't find
A trace of equality ♪

1531
01:03:04,491 --> 01:03:05,793
♪ Work me like a slave
While they laid back ♪

1532
01:03:05,793 --> 01:03:07,764
♪ Homey don't play that ♪

1533
01:03:07,764 --> 01:03:09,735
♪ It's time I let them
Suffer the payback ♪

1534
01:03:09,735 --> 01:03:11,772
♪ I'm trying
To avoid physical contact ♪

1535
01:03:11,772 --> 01:03:14,478
♪ I can't hold back,
It's time to attack ♪

1536
01:03:14,478 --> 01:03:16,448
♪ Jack, they got me trapped ♪

1537
01:03:18,586 --> 01:03:20,423
AFENI:
Today, no matter what,

1538
01:03:20,423 --> 01:03:22,627
I thank God
that I gave him.

1539
01:03:22,627 --> 01:03:27,637
I remember the last time
I tried to spank my son.

1540
01:03:27,637 --> 01:03:30,343
And he was too old for me
to spank then.

1541
01:03:30,343 --> 01:03:32,380
He was about 13 years old.

1542
01:03:32,380 --> 01:03:34,518
And I raised my hand
to hit him.

1543
01:03:34,518 --> 01:03:37,223
And he didn't try
to hit me back,

1544
01:03:37,223 --> 01:03:39,661
but he blocked the blows.

1545
01:03:39,661 --> 01:03:42,534
And from here he looked at me
and he said,

1546
01:03:42,534 --> 01:03:47,277
"I'm never going to let
anybody beat me down."

1547
01:03:47,277 --> 01:03:48,646
And you know what?

1548
01:03:48,646 --> 01:03:50,350
(chuckles)

1549
01:03:50,350 --> 01:03:52,454
Stopped me in my tracks.

1550
01:03:52,454 --> 01:03:55,526
TUPAC: ♪ Nightmare
That's what I am ♪

1551
01:03:55,526 --> 01:03:57,564
♪ America's nightmare ♪

1552
01:03:57,564 --> 01:03:59,468
♪ I am what you made me ♪

1553
01:03:59,468 --> 01:04:02,440
♪ The hate and the evil
That you gave me ♪

1554
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,313
♪ I shine as a reminder of what
You've done to my people ♪

1555
01:04:05,313 --> 01:04:08,719
♪ For 400-plus years ♪

1556
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:10,723
♪ You should be scared ♪

1557
01:04:10,723 --> 01:04:12,727
♪ You should be running ♪

1558
01:04:12,727 --> 01:04:16,235
♪ You should be
Trying to silence me ♪

1559
01:04:16,235 --> 01:04:19,741
♪ Ha, but you cannot
Escape fate ♪

1560
01:04:19,741 --> 01:04:21,645
♪ For it is my turn to come ♪

1561
01:04:21,645 --> 01:04:23,616
♪ 2pacalypse ♪

1562
01:04:23,616 --> 01:04:25,453
♪ America's nightmare ♪

1563
01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:28,559
♪ Come on, come on ♪

1564
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,396
♪ I see no changes ♪

1565
01:04:30,396 --> 01:04:32,434
♪ Wake up in the morning
And I ask myself ♪

1566
01:04:32,434 --> 01:04:34,538
♪ "Is life worth living?
Should I blast myself?" ♪

1567
01:04:34,538 --> 01:04:37,010
♪ I'm tired of being poor
Even worse, I'm Black ♪

1568
01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:38,679
♪ My stomach hurts
So I'm looking for a purse
To snatch ♪

1569
01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:40,650
♪ Cops give a damn
About a Negro ♪

1570
01:04:40,650 --> 01:04:42,654
♪ Pull the trigger
Kill a nigga, he's a hero ♪

1571
01:04:42,654 --> 01:04:44,791
♪ Give the crack to the kids
Who the hell cares? ♪

1572
01:04:44,791 --> 01:04:46,996
♪ One less hungry mouth
On the welfare ♪

1573
01:04:46,996 --> 01:04:49,301
♪ First ship them dope
And let them deal to brothers ♪

1574
01:04:49,301 --> 01:04:51,472
♪ Give them guns, step back
Watch them kill each other ♪

1575
01:04:51,472 --> 01:04:53,509
♪ "It's time to fight back,"
That's what Huey said ♪

1576
01:04:53,509 --> 01:04:55,713
♪ Two shots in the dark,
Now Huey's dead ♪

1577
01:04:55,713 --> 01:04:57,817
♪ I got love for my brother
But we can never go nowhere ♪

1578
01:04:57,817 --> 01:04:59,588
♪ Unless we share
With each other ♪

1579
01:04:59,588 --> 01:05:01,358
♪ We got to start
Making changes ♪

1580
01:05:01,358 --> 01:05:02,995
♪ Learn to see me
As a brother ♪

1581
01:05:02,995 --> 01:05:04,765
♪ Instead of two
Distant strangers ♪

1582
01:05:04,765 --> 01:05:05,800
♪ And that's how
It's supposed to be... ♪