1 00:00:07,173 --> 00:00:11,511 I'm Kate Snow and this is "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 2 00:00:12,612 --> 00:00:15,949 - It's the star-studded film that had everyone talking, 3 00:00:15,982 --> 00:00:19,185 but the real story of the murder of Maurizio Gucci 4 00:00:19,219 --> 00:00:22,689 has more drama than any Hollywood script. 5 00:00:22,722 --> 00:00:25,859 - Maurizio Gucci had been shot in broad daylight. 6 00:00:25,892 --> 00:00:28,261 I was absolutely astonished. 7 00:00:28,294 --> 00:00:30,997 - He was somebody special. 8 00:00:31,031 --> 00:00:33,500 It was so tragic. 9 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:35,435 How does that happen? 10 00:00:35,468 --> 00:00:37,537 - There's a lot of possible suspects here 11 00:00:37,570 --> 00:00:39,339 when you look at the Gucci family. 12 00:00:39,372 --> 00:00:43,043 - There is so much hatred, resentment, and anger. 13 00:00:43,076 --> 00:00:45,111 It was like warfare. 14 00:00:45,145 --> 00:00:47,447 - She was trying to strong-arm him. 15 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:48,915 - She wanted the power. 16 00:00:48,948 --> 00:00:53,086 She could never forgive what he did to her. 17 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:54,754 - They called her the Black Witch. 18 00:00:54,788 --> 00:00:56,489 - Yeah, even called her a sorceress. 19 00:00:56,523 --> 00:00:58,558 - He thought they were doing voodoo 20 00:00:58,591 --> 00:01:00,493 and all kinds of crazy things, 21 00:01:00,527 --> 00:01:02,295 and he was afraid. 22 00:01:02,328 --> 00:01:06,599 The name, the money, the fame, the drama. 23 00:01:06,633 --> 00:01:09,069 - There is no life that doesn't have a price. 24 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:16,910 ** 25 00:01:16,943 --> 00:01:20,146 - Hello and welcome to "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered". 26 00:01:20,180 --> 00:01:23,183 They were the shots heard round the fashion world: 27 00:01:23,216 --> 00:01:26,920 Former Gucci CEO Maurizio Gucci gunned down 28 00:01:26,953 --> 00:01:29,656 in what looked like a professional hit. 29 00:01:29,689 --> 00:01:31,658 Who wanted him dead? 30 00:01:31,691 --> 00:01:34,894 A notorious family feud an a bitter divorce 31 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:37,731 helped authorities build their suspect list, 32 00:01:37,764 --> 00:01:40,300 but it would take a stranger in the shadows 33 00:01:40,333 --> 00:01:44,137 to expose the rage behind this secret plot. 34 00:01:44,170 --> 00:01:45,839 Here's Natalie Morales with... 35 00:01:54,114 --> 00:01:57,417 - Via Monte Napoleone in the heart of Milan, Italy, 36 00:01:57,450 --> 00:02:01,354 is one of the most prestigious shopping streets in the world. 37 00:02:01,388 --> 00:02:03,623 To step through the heavy glass doors 38 00:02:03,656 --> 00:02:07,394 means crossing the border from the ordinary and mundane 39 00:02:07,427 --> 00:02:10,830 into luxury, privilege, and glamour. 40 00:02:10,864 --> 00:02:15,301 - It really is the world that so many people aspire to live in. 41 00:02:15,335 --> 00:02:16,870 - But once upon a time, 42 00:02:16,903 --> 00:02:19,372 just a few blocks from this fairytale world 43 00:02:19,406 --> 00:02:23,710 of gold-fringed dressed and thousand-dollar handbags, 44 00:02:23,743 --> 00:02:26,446 haute couture gave rise to hatred. 45 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:28,648 Beauty became betrayal. 46 00:02:28,682 --> 00:02:31,117 - This story makes a Greek tragedy 47 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:33,620 look like a children's story. 48 00:02:33,653 --> 00:02:36,923 - It happened one morning in March 1995 49 00:02:36,956 --> 00:02:40,360 when a man rich beyond measure, a man in love, 50 00:02:40,393 --> 00:02:41,361 strolled to his office 51 00:02:41,394 --> 00:02:44,731 and greeted his doorman with a smile. 52 00:02:44,764 --> 00:02:47,233 Then his worst fears were realized 53 00:02:47,267 --> 00:02:50,904 as he was assassinated in a hail of bullets. 54 00:02:50,937 --> 00:02:53,239 - He knew that they were plotting against him 55 00:02:53,273 --> 00:02:55,141 to put him out. 56 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:56,309 - The murder that occurred 57 00:02:56,343 --> 00:02:58,712 on the carpeted steps of this luxury building 58 00:02:58,745 --> 00:03:01,815 was so brazen, so infamous, 59 00:03:01,848 --> 00:03:05,452 another red-carpeted world took notice. 60 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:06,886 - This is more than "Dynasty." 61 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:08,188 This is more than "Dallas". 62 00:03:08,221 --> 00:03:09,389 I'm just so surprised 63 00:03:09,422 --> 00:03:11,291 that it's taken more than two decades 64 00:03:11,324 --> 00:03:13,693 for this to arrive on a movie screen. 65 00:03:13,727 --> 00:03:16,062 - Lady Gaga, Adam Driver, and Al Pacino 66 00:03:16,062 --> 00:03:18,398 star in the movie "House of Gucci," 67 00:03:18,431 --> 00:03:20,533 a murderous saga that takes place 68 00:03:20,567 --> 00:03:23,536 behind the catwalks and luxury stores 69 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:27,907 of perhaps the most famous fashion brand of them all, 70 00:03:27,941 --> 00:03:29,776 a saga that, at its heart, 71 00:03:29,809 --> 00:03:32,312 has a cunning and vindictive villain 72 00:03:32,345 --> 00:03:34,881 who some say had no heart at all. 73 00:03:38,284 --> 00:03:39,853 What was noteworthy about the killing 74 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:43,590 was not how it happened but who it happened to. 75 00:03:43,623 --> 00:03:46,826 The victim was 46-year-old Maurizio Gucci, 76 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:50,397 the former CEO of the sprawling Gucci empire, 77 00:03:50,430 --> 00:03:52,799 a celebrity and third generation scion 78 00:03:52,832 --> 00:03:56,002 of one of fashion's most notable families. 79 00:03:56,102 --> 00:03:57,270 - When the news came out 80 00:03:57,303 --> 00:04:00,306 that Maurizio Gucci had been shot in broad daylight 81 00:04:00,340 --> 00:04:04,044 in downtown Milan, it was absolutely shocking. 82 00:04:04,044 --> 00:04:06,312 - Sara Gay Forden is an editor at Bloomberg 83 00:04:06,346 --> 00:04:08,314 and the author of "House of Gucci," 84 00:04:08,348 --> 00:04:10,216 the book the movie is based on. 85 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:11,618 - This was not the kind of thing 86 00:04:11,651 --> 00:04:13,486 that happened ever in Milan. 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,921 I mean, it just didn't happen. 88 00:04:14,954 --> 00:04:19,759 It was a very prosperous business and financial center, 89 00:04:19,793 --> 00:04:22,696 and the thing that made it even more sinister 90 00:04:22,729 --> 00:04:25,065 was that it wasn't clear who could have done such a thing, 91 00:04:25,098 --> 00:04:29,069 because Maurizio was such a charming, charismatic, 92 00:04:29,069 --> 00:04:30,603 you know, nice man. 93 00:04:30,637 --> 00:04:34,107 I mean, there was no sense that he had enemies. 94 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:37,911 - Yeah, so, Maurizio Gucci, that morning on March 27, 95 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:41,581 as he did every morning, he was just walking to his office. 96 00:04:41,614 --> 00:04:43,083 This is Via Palestro. 97 00:04:43,083 --> 00:04:45,618 - Claudio Lavanga is an NBC News correspondent 98 00:04:45,652 --> 00:04:46,920 based in Italy. 99 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:48,621 He was born and raised in Milan 100 00:04:48,655 --> 00:04:52,092 and lived in the city when Gucci was murdered. 101 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:54,894 He says that Maurizio began that fateful day 102 00:04:54,928 --> 00:04:57,097 just like any other workday, 103 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:59,733 with a polite hello to his doorman. 104 00:04:59,766 --> 00:05:01,334 - They said, "Buongiorno. Buongiorno." 105 00:05:01,368 --> 00:05:02,602 They greeted each other, 106 00:05:02,635 --> 00:05:05,271 and just as Maurizio was walking up the stairs, 107 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:10,110 a man came in and shot him in cold blood twice in the back. 108 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:11,711 Maurizio fell on the stairs. 109 00:05:11,745 --> 00:05:13,947 He turned, shot him again, 110 00:05:14,047 --> 00:05:17,584 and then he finished him off with a shot in the head. 111 00:05:17,617 --> 00:05:20,086 - And what about the doorman? Was - was he there? 112 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,055 - Onorato was hiding behind the door. 113 00:05:22,055 --> 00:05:24,257 He saw everything, but he was trying to hide, 114 00:05:24,290 --> 00:05:25,825 and as the killer was coming out, 115 00:05:25,859 --> 00:05:28,595 he saw him at the last minute and he shot him, too. 116 00:05:28,628 --> 00:05:30,363 He didn't want to leave any witnesses. 117 00:05:30,397 --> 00:05:32,899 - It sounds like a professional hit job then. 118 00:05:32,932 --> 00:05:35,869 - More like an execution. 119 00:05:35,902 --> 00:05:37,937 - The murder was shocking, because even to those 120 00:05:37,971 --> 00:05:40,674 unfamiliar with the world of high fashion, 121 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:43,076 Gucci was a household name. 122 00:05:43,109 --> 00:05:45,845 It was the brand that made the phrase "Made in Italy" 123 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:47,814 famous around the world, 124 00:05:47,847 --> 00:05:52,752 its fancy handbags and loafers a sign of style and prestige. 125 00:05:52,786 --> 00:05:54,621 - News spread like wildfire. 126 00:05:54,654 --> 00:05:56,656 Everybody around here, within minutes, 127 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:59,325 knew that Maurizio Gucci had been shot, 128 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:01,227 so this place became packed 129 00:06:01,261 --> 00:06:04,464 with just people who came here to see what was happening. 130 00:06:04,497 --> 00:06:06,032 - This was a crime scene. - Absolutely. 131 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:07,934 There were still the bullet markers on the floor, 132 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:10,203 bullet markers on the staircase. 133 00:06:10,236 --> 00:06:14,207 Here you have cameramen. There you had the photographer. 134 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,178 And then the whole world could see, eventually, 135 00:06:18,211 --> 00:06:21,147 the body of Maurizio Gucci coming out, 136 00:06:21,181 --> 00:06:22,515 being paraded, essentially, 137 00:06:22,549 --> 00:06:26,786 covered in a white sheet on a gurney. 138 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:29,255 - The investigation into Maurizio Gucci's murder 139 00:06:29,289 --> 00:06:31,224 would thrust his family 140 00:06:31,257 --> 00:06:33,827 and their world of luxury and glamour 141 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:37,497 into the spotlight for all the wrong reasons, 142 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:41,101 exposing how Gucci's rise to fashion glory 143 00:06:41,134 --> 00:06:45,238 took a steep and sudden fall into jealousy, 144 00:06:45,271 --> 00:06:48,508 double-crossing, and, ultimately, violence. 145 00:06:53,346 --> 00:06:55,782 - Maurizio was somebody special, 146 00:06:55,815 --> 00:07:00,820 someone I never thought I would have the honor to have known. 147 00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:03,356 - A bold killer in broad daylight. 148 00:07:03,390 --> 00:07:04,524 Who could it be? 149 00:07:04,557 --> 00:07:06,226 - It was very difficult to understand. 150 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:08,328 It was very difficult to justify. 151 00:07:08,361 --> 00:07:10,930 - So, you had no initial suspicions 152 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:13,033 as to who was behind it? - No. 153 00:07:13,033 --> 00:07:15,602 It was so far-fetched that you don't even ask yourself, 154 00:07:15,635 --> 00:07:17,370 you know, who can do it? 155 00:07:29,148 --> 00:07:31,684 Maurizio Gucci, a prominent, larger-than-life member 156 00:07:32,584 --> 00:07:35,254 of the world's most famous fashion family, 157 00:07:35,287 --> 00:07:38,657 had been assassinated in broad daylight in Milan. 158 00:07:38,691 --> 00:07:39,792 His family and friends 159 00:07:39,825 --> 00:07:44,196 were processing their disbelief and grief. 160 00:07:44,229 --> 00:07:45,597 - I'm going to cry. 161 00:07:48,434 --> 00:07:53,272 He was somebody special, 162 00:07:53,305 --> 00:07:55,974 someone I never thought I would 163 00:07:56,075 --> 00:07:59,144 have the honor to have known. 164 00:07:59,178 --> 00:08:03,315 - Sheree Loud met Maurizio in 1984 at a sailing regatta. 165 00:08:03,349 --> 00:08:06,118 - He was wearing white jeans and a blue chamois shirt. 166 00:08:06,151 --> 00:08:07,686 I'll never forget it as long as I live. 167 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,223 And those famous glasses, the aviator glasses. 168 00:08:11,256 --> 00:08:12,758 I remember one day asking 169 00:08:12,791 --> 00:08:16,362 one of my American friends "Who is this guy?" 170 00:08:16,395 --> 00:08:19,465 And they said, "Sher, that's Maurizio Gucci." 171 00:08:19,498 --> 00:08:21,667 - Sheree knew Maurizio by reputation 172 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:25,671 as a powerful and wealthy man. But once they got on a boat, 173 00:08:25,704 --> 00:08:28,874 she found him to be unassuming and humble. 174 00:08:28,907 --> 00:08:30,642 - We didn't have champagne or wine, 175 00:08:30,676 --> 00:08:32,044 we had panini and water. 176 00:08:32,077 --> 00:08:35,647 And I got soaking wet every day and I was in heaven. 177 00:08:35,681 --> 00:08:38,951 And I really enjoyed being with him 178 00:08:39,051 --> 00:08:40,619 because he was so playful. 179 00:08:40,652 --> 00:08:43,355 - I-I always remember him with a big smile. 180 00:08:43,389 --> 00:08:46,625 He was always positive. Okay? 181 00:08:46,658 --> 00:08:48,827 - Andrea Moranti, who had once been Mauricio's 182 00:08:48,861 --> 00:08:52,731 business partner and advisor, couldn't believe the news. 183 00:08:52,765 --> 00:08:54,600 - It was very difficult to understand. 184 00:08:54,633 --> 00:08:56,635 It was very difficult to justify. 185 00:08:56,669 --> 00:08:59,271 - So, you had no initial suspicions 186 00:08:59,304 --> 00:09:01,707 as to who was behind it? - No. 187 00:09:01,740 --> 00:09:04,076 I didn't even ask myself, you know, who could it be? 188 00:09:04,109 --> 00:09:06,578 Because it was so far-fetched, the idea 189 00:09:06,612 --> 00:09:08,414 that somebody would do it, that you don't 190 00:09:08,447 --> 00:09:12,284 even ask yourself, you know, who can do it? 191 00:09:12,317 --> 00:09:15,120 - The man tasked with figuring that out 192 00:09:15,154 --> 00:09:18,857 was Carlo Nocerino, an experienced prosecutor 193 00:09:18,891 --> 00:09:21,126 who nonetheless had never investigated 194 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,796 a high-profile murder. 195 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:26,265 As soon as he arrived at the murder scene, he learned 196 00:09:26,298 --> 00:09:29,835 that even though the hitman shot the building's doorman, 197 00:09:29,868 --> 00:09:32,871 miraculously, the doorman survived. 198 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:35,274 The gunman had only shot him in the arm, 199 00:09:35,307 --> 00:09:38,243 leaving a potential witness alive. 200 00:09:41,046 --> 00:09:42,681 - Well, the doorman tried to give us a sketch 201 00:09:42,715 --> 00:09:44,616 of what he looked like, but obviously 202 00:09:44,650 --> 00:09:46,852 he only saw him for a few seconds 203 00:09:46,885 --> 00:09:49,588 and he was terrified and he tried to protect himself. 204 00:09:49,621 --> 00:09:52,391 So, the porter couldn't focus on the killer's appearance. 205 00:09:54,860 --> 00:09:57,396 - But he did have information about the gun. 206 00:10:00,232 --> 00:10:04,370 - The doorman noticed the length of the gun was unusual. 207 00:10:04,403 --> 00:10:06,805 The doorman heard the shots but they were dull shots 208 00:10:06,839 --> 00:10:09,208 like he was using a silencer. 209 00:10:09,241 --> 00:10:11,243 The shots were muted. 210 00:10:11,276 --> 00:10:14,446 - But despite this telltale detail, the prosecutor 211 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,516 decided this was not a professional hit. 212 00:10:17,549 --> 00:10:20,319 - No como Mafia. - No, exactly. 213 00:10:20,352 --> 00:10:22,755 A professional killer would have killed the doorman 214 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:25,357 because of their proximity to each other. 215 00:10:25,391 --> 00:10:28,160 The killer would have shot him in the middle of his head. 216 00:10:28,193 --> 00:10:30,763 He wouldn't have missed him. 217 00:10:30,796 --> 00:10:32,531 - So, who was this gunman 218 00:10:32,564 --> 00:10:35,334 and why had he killed Maurizio Gucci? 219 00:10:35,367 --> 00:10:37,836 Investigators knew when it came to murder, 220 00:10:37,870 --> 00:10:41,907 the motive was usually love or money. 221 00:10:41,940 --> 00:10:43,842 - The first thing we thought was to follow 222 00:10:43,876 --> 00:10:48,213 two separate leads, family and business. 223 00:10:48,247 --> 00:10:50,516 - But the prosecutor realized very quickly 224 00:10:50,549 --> 00:10:52,418 that when your name was Gucci, 225 00:10:52,451 --> 00:10:55,654 family and business were often the same thing. 226 00:11:16,141 --> 00:11:18,310 - Patrizia Gucci is Maurizio's niece 227 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:22,381 and the author of a memoir about her famous family. 228 00:11:22,414 --> 00:11:26,085 She played as a child on the floor of the Gucci factory, 229 00:11:26,085 --> 00:11:28,087 inhaling the smell of the leather 230 00:11:28,087 --> 00:11:30,255 as artisans expertly crafted it 231 00:11:30,289 --> 00:11:33,425 into some of the worlds' hottest accessories. 232 00:11:44,937 --> 00:11:48,273 - What started as a small factory began to grow, 233 00:11:48,307 --> 00:11:50,676 first throughout Italy, then Europe. 234 00:11:50,709 --> 00:11:53,846 Before long, Gucci conquered America too, 235 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:57,316 beguiling the rich, famous, and powerful. 236 00:11:57,349 --> 00:11:59,318 Patrizia still remembers an envelope 237 00:11:59,351 --> 00:12:02,254 her grandfather sent back home from New York. 238 00:12:14,133 --> 00:12:15,834 - Maurizio was born into this proud 239 00:12:15,868 --> 00:12:18,671 and talented family in 1948. 240 00:12:18,704 --> 00:12:22,174 His mother tragically died when he was just five years old 241 00:12:22,207 --> 00:12:24,476 and he was raised by his father Rodolfo, 242 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:27,312 a former silent film star who had inherited 243 00:12:27,346 --> 00:12:29,715 half of the family business. 244 00:12:29,748 --> 00:12:32,217 - It was a relationship always 245 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:35,187 where he was told to do things, 246 00:12:35,220 --> 00:12:37,723 that he had to do them in a certain way, 247 00:12:37,756 --> 00:12:39,525 that he was a Gucci and therefore 248 00:12:39,558 --> 00:12:43,128 he had to adjust to a certain cliché. 249 00:12:43,162 --> 00:12:45,931 - Maurizio did what his father expected of him, 250 00:12:45,964 --> 00:12:50,102 but all of that changed at a party in 1970 251 00:12:50,102 --> 00:12:53,472 where Maurizio met a chic, glamorous young woman 252 00:12:53,505 --> 00:12:55,641 named Patrizia Reggiani. 253 00:12:55,674 --> 00:12:57,976 - She loved good style. 254 00:12:58,010 --> 00:12:59,812 She was ambitious 255 00:12:59,845 --> 00:13:01,547 and she had been pushed by her mother 256 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:05,184 to not only marry well, but to marry a big name. 257 00:13:05,217 --> 00:13:08,754 - Patrizia's stepfather owned a successful trucking business, 258 00:13:08,787 --> 00:13:11,623 so Patrizia had money, but she lacked 259 00:13:11,657 --> 00:13:14,560 the social status of the Milano bene, 260 00:13:14,593 --> 00:13:18,931 the high society Milan elite to which the Gucci's belonged. 261 00:13:18,964 --> 00:13:22,768 Nonetheless, Maurizio fell head over heels for Patrizia 262 00:13:22,801 --> 00:13:25,971 and proposed to her on their second date. 263 00:13:26,071 --> 00:13:28,207 - She was incredibly beautiful. 264 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,743 She was actually compared to Elizabeth Taylor in looks. 265 00:13:30,776 --> 00:13:33,178 But I think it was actually her personality 266 00:13:33,212 --> 00:13:35,247 that made her very dynamic. - Dan Wakeford 267 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,716 was "People Magazine" editor in chief. 268 00:13:37,750 --> 00:13:40,486 - She was very fun, very funny, and very clever. 269 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:42,721 She knew what she wanted and she went out to get it. 270 00:13:42,755 --> 00:13:46,625 So, he wanted to get to that next echelon of society. 271 00:13:46,658 --> 00:13:49,628 And she met Maurizio and she found her way. 272 00:13:49,661 --> 00:13:50,929 - She found her way, but, I mean, she-- 273 00:13:50,963 --> 00:13:52,765 she found love, too. Right? 274 00:13:52,798 --> 00:13:54,767 I mean, theirs was a true love story. 275 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,469 - It felt like a love story and the love story 276 00:13:57,503 --> 00:14:00,673 turned very "Romeo and Juliet" when Rodolfo 277 00:14:00,706 --> 00:14:04,843 actually said he didn't approve of Patrizia. 278 00:14:04,877 --> 00:14:07,279 - Maurizio's father became even more dramatic 279 00:14:07,312 --> 00:14:10,315 when his son told him he had proposed to Patrizia. 280 00:14:10,349 --> 00:14:12,084 - He was very concerned about Patrizia, 281 00:14:12,117 --> 00:14:15,054 the way she would spend money and the way her view-- 282 00:14:15,054 --> 00:14:18,057 you know, the way she wanted to live her life. 283 00:14:18,057 --> 00:14:20,459 - Domenico De Sole, who was Gucci's CEO 284 00:14:20,492 --> 00:14:23,262 in the late 1990s, started out in the company 285 00:14:23,295 --> 00:14:25,531 as Rodolfo's lawyer and confidante. 286 00:14:25,564 --> 00:14:28,233 - Did he view her as a gold digger? 287 00:14:28,267 --> 00:14:30,869 - Yeah, you can-you can describe that way, yes. 288 00:14:30,903 --> 00:14:33,706 - And had even gone all the way to the Cardinal of Milan 289 00:14:33,739 --> 00:14:37,076 to ask him to prevent the marriage from happening. 290 00:14:37,076 --> 00:14:40,446 And the Cardinal told him "No, you know, 291 00:14:40,479 --> 00:14:42,147 "if they're in love, there's nothing we can do 292 00:14:42,181 --> 00:14:44,983 "to stop them from-from wedding." 293 00:14:45,084 --> 00:14:48,087 - Desperate, Rodolfo gave his son an ultimatum. 294 00:14:48,087 --> 00:14:50,189 It's either her or me. 295 00:14:50,222 --> 00:14:53,559 The choice Maurizio made would be life-changing, 296 00:14:53,592 --> 00:14:58,597 but in ways he could not foresee. 297 00:14:58,630 --> 00:15:02,067 - The Gucci family faces off over a woman determined 298 00:15:02,101 --> 00:15:05,404 to claim their name. - Coming up... 299 00:15:05,437 --> 00:15:07,039 - She reminded me of Joan Collins. 300 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:09,641 She was dripping in jewels and makeup and heels. 301 00:15:09,675 --> 00:15:13,779 - She was a person that was very used to getting her way. 302 00:15:13,812 --> 00:15:17,916 - Love or family? Which would Maurizio choose? 303 00:15:17,950 --> 00:15:21,587 - There was a lot of anger and frustration and jealousy. 304 00:15:21,620 --> 00:15:24,790 This was not a friendly family environment. 305 00:15:38,538 --> 00:15:41,274 It was a battle for the love of Maurizio Gucci. 306 00:15:42,075 --> 00:15:44,477 In one corner, Patrizia Reggiani, 307 00:15:44,511 --> 00:15:48,081 the up-and-coming socialite who had captured his heart. 308 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:51,518 In the other, Maurizio's domineering father, 309 00:15:51,551 --> 00:15:53,787 who believed Patrizia was only in it 310 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:56,256 for the money and the name. 311 00:15:56,289 --> 00:15:58,091 - Not only did Rodolfo not approve, 312 00:15:58,091 --> 00:16:00,293 didn't he give Maurizio an ultimatum? 313 00:16:00,326 --> 00:16:02,395 - Oh, yeah. He said it's either me or her. 314 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:05,432 And, um, love did prevail for Maurizio. 315 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:08,335 He chose to marry Patrizia. 316 00:16:08,368 --> 00:16:11,037 - Rodolfo was furious. He refused to come 317 00:16:11,037 --> 00:16:13,573 to the wedding and cut his son off. 318 00:16:13,606 --> 00:16:16,142 In fact, no one from the Gucci family showed up 319 00:16:16,176 --> 00:16:20,513 to watch the happy couple walk down the aisle. 320 00:16:20,547 --> 00:16:23,383 Finally, about two years after their estrangement, 321 00:16:23,416 --> 00:16:25,385 Maurizio's Uncle Aldo persuaded 322 00:16:25,418 --> 00:16:28,722 Maurizio and his father to reconcile. 323 00:16:28,755 --> 00:16:30,590 Then Aldo persuaded Maurizio 324 00:16:30,623 --> 00:16:32,826 to come to New York to work for him. 325 00:16:32,859 --> 00:16:35,061 - What you're wearing is Gucci 100%. 326 00:16:35,061 --> 00:16:37,831 - So, Aldo was really the marketing 327 00:16:37,864 --> 00:16:41,234 and expansion genius of-of the family. 328 00:16:41,267 --> 00:16:42,936 He opened the first store in Rome, 329 00:16:42,969 --> 00:16:44,204 the first store in New York, 330 00:16:44,237 --> 00:16:45,939 the first store on Rodeo Drive. 331 00:16:45,972 --> 00:16:49,209 He had a vision for how Gucci could be an empire. 332 00:16:49,242 --> 00:16:52,145 - Aldo used to say, you know, "My family is like a train. 333 00:16:52,178 --> 00:16:56,216 "I am the engine and they are the caboose." 334 00:16:56,249 --> 00:16:59,686 - In 1975, Maurizio and Patrizia moved to Manhattan 335 00:16:59,719 --> 00:17:03,623 where he worked hard to learn the business from Uncle Aldo 336 00:17:03,656 --> 00:17:06,226 while she gave birth to two daughters. 337 00:17:06,259 --> 00:17:10,363 Patrizia also began to make an impression on high society. 338 00:17:10,397 --> 00:17:13,533 - She was always perfect. You know, makeup was perfect 339 00:17:13,566 --> 00:17:18,038 and she had beautiful jewelry. She's always impeccable. 340 00:17:18,071 --> 00:17:19,739 I could tell she was a person 341 00:17:19,773 --> 00:17:22,509 who was very used to getting her way. 342 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:25,245 Certainly, she did get her way with Maurizio. 343 00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:27,047 Maurizio is really bending over backward 344 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,082 to accommodate whatever she wanted. 345 00:17:29,115 --> 00:17:34,421 - Whatever she wanted, she got? - Yes. 346 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:37,724 - By the early 1980s, Gucci was firmly established 347 00:17:37,757 --> 00:17:41,127 as a must stop for the rich and famous. 348 00:17:41,161 --> 00:17:43,897 With 60 luxury boutiques around the world, 349 00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:46,433 the company had become an empire. 350 00:17:46,466 --> 00:17:48,902 As investigators explored Maurizio's rise 351 00:17:48,935 --> 00:17:51,971 to the top of Gucci, they learned Maurizio 352 00:17:52,072 --> 00:17:55,075 and Patrizia were both reveling in his success 353 00:17:55,108 --> 00:17:58,845 and the riches it brought. - They had this phenomenal 354 00:17:58,878 --> 00:18:01,014 penthouse apartment in the Olympic Towers. 355 00:18:01,047 --> 00:18:03,717 They were kind of the Gucci couple around town. 356 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:07,187 Everybody knew who they were. 357 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:10,290 - New York's new power couple strutted their stuff 358 00:18:10,323 --> 00:18:14,194 at famous celebrity haunts like Studio 54. 359 00:18:14,227 --> 00:18:17,430 - At this point, Patrizia is really enjoying life. 360 00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:19,399 She loves everything that's going on in New York. 361 00:18:19,432 --> 00:18:21,935 Celebrities, fun, money, parties. 362 00:18:22,035 --> 00:18:23,903 New York is all about that. 363 00:18:23,937 --> 00:18:26,473 - There was a famous interview that Patrizia did 364 00:18:26,506 --> 00:18:29,409 and she talked about her lifestyle. 365 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:32,278 - She just said "I would rather weep in a Rolls Royce 366 00:18:32,312 --> 00:18:36,349 "than be happy on a bicycle," which is just crazy! 367 00:18:36,383 --> 00:18:37,951 It just sums her up 368 00:18:38,051 --> 00:18:42,288 that she is fascinated by luxury things. 369 00:18:42,322 --> 00:18:44,324 - Maurizio was, too. 370 00:18:44,357 --> 00:18:46,693 He bought a ship called The Creole, 371 00:18:46,726 --> 00:18:50,096 then the largest wooden sailing boat in the world. 372 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:52,198 Sheree Loud was an avid sailor 373 00:18:52,232 --> 00:18:55,168 who helped him renovate it stern to bow. 374 00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:59,105 - We bought sharkskin from Japan for the couches. 375 00:18:59,139 --> 00:19:02,108 We traveled for art in-in mostly Denmark. 376 00:19:02,142 --> 00:19:06,012 He loved the Turkish or the Moroccan tiling. 377 00:19:06,012 --> 00:19:09,082 We went to Murano to-to buy all the glassware 378 00:19:09,115 --> 00:19:12,552 and design all the dishes. 379 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:16,022 - The renovation took five years and the cost-- 380 00:19:16,022 --> 00:19:20,593 $25 million. - I think he was used to luxury 381 00:19:20,627 --> 00:19:23,863 and surrounded himself with as much as he could 382 00:19:23,897 --> 00:19:25,832 because he was brought up that way. 383 00:19:25,865 --> 00:19:27,600 He lived that life. 384 00:19:27,634 --> 00:19:31,638 And I don't know if he had any boundaries. 385 00:19:31,671 --> 00:19:34,607 It-it didn't occur to him. 386 00:19:34,641 --> 00:19:37,143 - Maurizio started sponsoring sailing teams 387 00:19:37,177 --> 00:19:39,446 and races all over the world. 388 00:19:39,479 --> 00:19:42,482 He brought Patrizia, who didn't quite fit in. 389 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:44,651 - Maurizio would arrive by helicopter 390 00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:46,753 and often she would accompany him. 391 00:19:46,786 --> 00:19:48,388 And she reminded me of Joan Collins. 392 00:19:48,421 --> 00:19:50,924 She was dripping in jewels and makeup and heels 393 00:19:50,957 --> 00:19:53,293 and it was not appropriate because you're sailing. 394 00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:56,296 You're in docksiders or sneakers and jeans. 395 00:19:56,329 --> 00:19:58,064 And she would just sort of stand there 396 00:19:58,064 --> 00:20:00,633 and I don't even know what she was thinking, 397 00:20:00,667 --> 00:20:02,836 but she would not participate in it at all. 398 00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:07,140 She seemed above it all and couldn't be bothered by it. 399 00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:09,376 - Patrizia not only strutted her stuff 400 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:13,113 in high society, she did it at Gucci, too. 401 00:20:13,146 --> 00:20:16,316 - She tried to make decisions for him 402 00:20:16,349 --> 00:20:18,318 as far as who he would work with 403 00:20:18,351 --> 00:20:21,054 and tried to steer him in the direction 404 00:20:21,087 --> 00:20:23,289 that she thought the company should go in. 405 00:20:23,323 --> 00:20:26,126 That's how she was using her-her marriage. 406 00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:28,128 She wanted more money. 407 00:20:28,161 --> 00:20:30,463 More and more and more and more. 408 00:20:30,497 --> 00:20:32,866 - So, Maurizio had described his father 409 00:20:32,899 --> 00:20:35,135 as being domineering, but then he marries 410 00:20:35,168 --> 00:20:37,504 Patrizia, who turns out-- she seems 411 00:20:37,537 --> 00:20:40,440 to be domineering, as well. - That's for sure. 412 00:20:40,473 --> 00:20:44,577 I think she was more domineering than Rodolfo. 413 00:20:44,611 --> 00:20:47,847 - When Rodolfo died in 1983 and Maurizio inherited 414 00:20:47,881 --> 00:20:51,484 half the company, Patrizia's wish came true. 415 00:20:51,518 --> 00:20:54,120 Her husband was finally on top. 416 00:20:54,154 --> 00:20:55,689 - I mean, obviously, Maurizio is upset 417 00:20:55,722 --> 00:20:57,190 that his father has died, but he's left him 418 00:20:57,223 --> 00:21:00,060 in such a strong position. 419 00:21:00,093 --> 00:21:02,362 - Now, Maurizio had more shares in the company 420 00:21:02,395 --> 00:21:06,166 than anyone else, even his uncle and mentor, Aldo. 421 00:21:06,199 --> 00:21:09,569 But when Maurizio tried to exert his new power, 422 00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,738 Aldo slammed on the brakes. 423 00:21:11,771 --> 00:21:15,508 - There was a lot of anger and frustration and jealousy. 424 00:21:15,542 --> 00:21:19,079 This was not a friendly family environment at all. 425 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:22,148 - Investigators wondered, did the ensuing fight 426 00:21:22,182 --> 00:21:24,718 for the heart and soul of Gucci 427 00:21:24,751 --> 00:21:27,854 lead to murder? 428 00:21:27,887 --> 00:21:31,524 - Coming up... - He could transform 429 00:21:31,558 --> 00:21:35,362 a caress into a scratch. 430 00:21:35,395 --> 00:21:39,165 - Inside the empire, in-fighting and intrigue. 431 00:21:39,199 --> 00:21:43,169 - The animosity was so severe that the Italian press 432 00:21:43,203 --> 00:21:45,438 would say, instead of G is for Gucci, 433 00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:47,774 G is for Guerra, war. 434 00:21:47,807 --> 00:21:50,777 - I witnessed that many, many occasions. 435 00:22:02,622 --> 00:22:05,058 Welcome back to "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 436 00:22:05,358 --> 00:22:06,626 I'm Kate Snow. 437 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:10,063 Authorities investigating the murder of Maurizio Gucci 438 00:22:10,063 --> 00:22:11,664 focused on family. 439 00:22:11,698 --> 00:22:14,534 They quickly learned that in the Gucci empire, 440 00:22:14,567 --> 00:22:17,537 appearances often didn't match reality. 441 00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:19,773 When the young executive's father died, 442 00:22:19,806 --> 00:22:22,475 Maurizio's power seemed cemented, 443 00:22:22,509 --> 00:22:24,244 but a closer look would reveal 444 00:22:24,277 --> 00:22:27,947 that business in this family was a blood sport, 445 00:22:27,981 --> 00:22:30,884 and the backstabbing had just begun. 446 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:32,686 Here again is Natalie Morales 447 00:22:32,719 --> 00:22:35,121 with "Murder in the House of Gucci." 448 00:22:37,290 --> 00:22:39,125 - As investigators were searching for clues 449 00:22:39,159 --> 00:22:42,595 that would bring them closer to solving Maurizio's murder, 450 00:22:42,629 --> 00:22:46,599 they wondered did his sudden rise to power at Gucci 451 00:22:46,633 --> 00:22:48,468 ruffle any feathers, 452 00:22:48,501 --> 00:22:52,339 especially those of his preening Uncle Aldo? 453 00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:56,109 - So Aldo was not really ready or willing to give up control, 454 00:22:56,142 --> 00:22:59,512 because, you know, you have to realize Aldo, he was Gucci. 455 00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:02,749 He was Gucci, and Gucci was him. He was the engine. 456 00:23:02,782 --> 00:23:04,884 He had built it with his own hands 457 00:23:04,918 --> 00:23:08,688 and the brio of his personality. 458 00:23:08,722 --> 00:23:12,058 - And Andrea Morante, one of Maurizio's financial advisors, 459 00:23:12,058 --> 00:23:16,062 said making a rival of Aldo was a dangerous game. 460 00:23:16,062 --> 00:23:20,066 - He could, uh, transform a caress 461 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:24,070 into a scratch. 462 00:23:24,104 --> 00:23:26,473 - In fact, Aldo's entire family 463 00:23:26,506 --> 00:23:30,410 had a reputation for ferocious infighting. 464 00:23:30,443 --> 00:23:34,714 - I read the animosity was so severe within the family 465 00:23:34,748 --> 00:23:37,751 that the Italian press would say, instead of, you know, 466 00:23:37,784 --> 00:23:41,454 G is for Gucci, it was G is for guerra, war. 467 00:23:41,488 --> 00:23:42,489 - Yeah, correct. 468 00:23:42,522 --> 00:23:44,724 There was a lot of animosity in the family, 469 00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:48,495 and-and it-- toward the end, became almost hatred. 470 00:23:48,528 --> 00:23:51,998 I witnessed that many, many, many, many occasions. 471 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,136 - On one occasion, De Sole was at a board meeting 472 00:23:56,169 --> 00:24:00,106 when Aldo objected to his son, Paolo, recording the proceedings 473 00:24:00,140 --> 00:24:03,543 and watched them come to blows. 474 00:24:03,576 --> 00:24:07,313 - Aldo, who is a very strong man, jumps up, 475 00:24:07,347 --> 00:24:09,649 runs on the other side of the table, 476 00:24:09,683 --> 00:24:13,086 takes the tape recorder, smashes the tape recorder, 477 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,289 and gets into a fistfight with Paolo. 478 00:24:16,322 --> 00:24:19,259 Maurizio tries to-to separate 479 00:24:19,292 --> 00:24:20,927 the two, okay? 480 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,664 And needless to say, he got punched in the face-- 481 00:24:24,698 --> 00:24:26,099 [laughs] 482 00:24:26,132 --> 00:24:30,103 punched in the face by one of the two contestants. 483 00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:33,106 - So when Maurizio started calling the shots at Gucci, 484 00:24:33,139 --> 00:24:37,143 Aldo and his sons, predictably, threw a punch at him, 485 00:24:37,177 --> 00:24:41,314 accusing Maurizio of dodging millions of dollars in taxes, 486 00:24:41,348 --> 00:24:44,084 charges that could land him in prison, 487 00:24:44,084 --> 00:24:46,986 and even worse, for a man like Maurizio, 488 00:24:47,087 --> 00:24:48,722 embarrass him. 489 00:24:48,755 --> 00:24:51,791 - These lawsuits were splashed all over the front pages of-- 490 00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:52,992 of the papers, 491 00:24:53,093 --> 00:24:55,562 and so as soon as these cases went into the courts, 492 00:24:55,595 --> 00:24:56,696 they became public, 493 00:24:56,730 --> 00:25:00,300 and so the-the personal family business was in, 494 00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:03,403 you know, plain sight for everyone to view. 495 00:25:03,436 --> 00:25:05,772 - Police launched an investigation, 496 00:25:05,805 --> 00:25:08,441 and in a scene straight out of a Bond film, 497 00:25:08,475 --> 00:25:10,276 just as authorities were swooping in 498 00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:12,879 to arrest him for the alleged tax fraud, 499 00:25:12,912 --> 00:25:15,949 Maurizio, with help from his personal driver, Luigi, 500 00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:18,151 escaped to his Swiss villa. 501 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:19,719 - When he got to San Moritz, he called me and said, 502 00:25:19,753 --> 00:25:21,421 "You aren't going to believe what just happened to me." 503 00:25:21,454 --> 00:25:23,323 Luigi came running in and said, "The police are here. 504 00:25:23,356 --> 00:25:25,825 "They're coming for you. You have to leave right now." 505 00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:28,194 And he left out the back door and got on a motorcycle, 506 00:25:28,228 --> 00:25:30,764 and he took off. 507 00:25:30,797 --> 00:25:34,768 - From his swanky Swiss lair, Maurizio plotted his revenge, 508 00:25:34,801 --> 00:25:37,404 as only a Gucci could. 509 00:25:37,437 --> 00:25:39,973 He partnered with an investment bank, and together, 510 00:25:40,073 --> 00:25:43,543 they identified a weakness in Aldo's family alliance, 511 00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:47,147 a son who carried his own grievances against Aldo 512 00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:50,884 and was more than willing to sell his share of the company. 513 00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:52,919 Once he did, there was nothing 514 00:25:52,952 --> 00:25:55,188 the remaining family members could do 515 00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:59,125 to stop Maurizio from becoming Gucci's top dog. 516 00:25:59,159 --> 00:26:02,262 - I go to all the other cousins one by one, 517 00:26:02,295 --> 00:26:04,564 individually, and I tell them, 518 00:26:04,597 --> 00:26:07,467 you know, the game is over here. 519 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,235 - With their power gone, 520 00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:12,172 it was fairly easy to persuade the rest of the family 521 00:26:12,205 --> 00:26:15,308 to cash in and sell their Gucci shares. 522 00:26:15,342 --> 00:26:18,611 - Was there a sense of betrayal, as well, though? 523 00:26:18,645 --> 00:26:21,915 - Yeah. There was-- there was a sense of betrayal. 524 00:26:21,948 --> 00:26:24,851 Aldo said-- One thing that I'll never forget is that, uh, 525 00:26:24,884 --> 00:26:26,486 that, you know, I'm not selling you my shares, 526 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:29,255 but I'm-I'm selling you my soul. 527 00:26:29,289 --> 00:26:32,225 - Maurizio was willing to cut out his family, 528 00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:36,129 so he chose company over family. At what cost? 529 00:26:36,162 --> 00:26:38,465 - I think that his mission 530 00:26:38,498 --> 00:26:41,468 was to try and save 531 00:26:41,501 --> 00:26:42,936 the company. 532 00:26:42,969 --> 00:26:45,338 In order to save the company, 533 00:26:45,372 --> 00:26:47,841 you have to make certain sacrifices. 534 00:26:47,874 --> 00:26:51,578 So tough decisions require 535 00:26:51,611 --> 00:26:54,381 also some tough consequences, 536 00:26:54,414 --> 00:26:56,883 but he was aware of those consequences, 537 00:26:56,916 --> 00:26:58,485 and he was not afraid 538 00:26:58,518 --> 00:27:02,555 of accepting those consequences. 539 00:27:02,589 --> 00:27:05,825 - Aldo never got over his loss of Gucci. 540 00:27:05,859 --> 00:27:08,828 He died a bitter man in 1990. 541 00:27:08,862 --> 00:27:11,331 - Aldo's funeral was very, very painful. 542 00:27:11,364 --> 00:27:13,867 And Maurizio comes down from Milan 543 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:17,337 but, uh, you know, the-the animosity is so great 544 00:27:17,370 --> 00:27:20,106 that they just give him the cold shoulder. 545 00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:23,677 The resentment was through the roof. 546 00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:27,414 - Now, five years later, Prosecutor Nocerino wondered, 547 00:27:27,447 --> 00:27:29,115 were the seeds of murder 548 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:32,352 planted in that vicious family feud? 549 00:27:32,385 --> 00:27:34,287 - Talking to the family members, 550 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,891 it was clear there was a lot of feeling of resentment 551 00:27:37,924 --> 00:27:40,326 and betrayal, right? 552 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,062 - Well, I'm not sure about betrayal, 553 00:27:42,095 --> 00:27:45,098 but there surely was resentment. 554 00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:47,400 - While investigators wondered about that, 555 00:27:47,434 --> 00:27:50,937 they were also pursuing a new lead. 556 00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:53,773 Nocerino found that almost as soon as Maurizio 557 00:27:53,807 --> 00:27:57,811 took control of Gucci, his life of outrageous luxury 558 00:27:57,844 --> 00:28:01,014 and conspicuous consumption caught up with him. 559 00:28:01,014 --> 00:28:01,881 - You know, some people, 560 00:28:01,915 --> 00:28:04,351 they could be very wealthy asset-wise, 561 00:28:04,384 --> 00:28:06,619 because, obviously, he owns a share of the company. 562 00:28:06,653 --> 00:28:10,023 But this initial-- He didn't have the cash to-- 563 00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:13,126 to keep this lifestyle. 564 00:28:13,159 --> 00:28:16,930 - In fact, he owed tens of millions of dollars. 565 00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:20,066 By 1993, the banks had had enough. 566 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,502 If Maurizio didn't repay his debts, 567 00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:25,405 they would seize his shares of Gucci, 568 00:28:25,438 --> 00:28:27,140 and then, a miracle. 569 00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:30,043 Maurizio suddenly came up with the money. 570 00:28:31,344 --> 00:28:33,313 How did he do it? 571 00:28:33,346 --> 00:28:37,050 By reaching out to one of Italy's most wanted men, 572 00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:39,652 an alleged terrorist and millionaire 573 00:28:39,686 --> 00:28:41,421 named Delfo Zorzi 574 00:28:41,454 --> 00:28:43,923 who had been accused of helping to plant a bomb 575 00:28:43,957 --> 00:28:47,460 that killed 16 people in 1969. 576 00:28:47,494 --> 00:28:50,797 He fled to Japan before police could arrest him. 577 00:28:52,699 --> 00:28:54,601 - This whole thing was very strange. 578 00:28:54,634 --> 00:28:57,771 It was strange that Maurizio asked for money. 579 00:28:57,804 --> 00:29:00,306 - Maurizio got a personal loan from Zorzi 580 00:29:00,340 --> 00:29:03,543 by promising him the rights to sell Gucci products 581 00:29:03,576 --> 00:29:05,745 throughout the Far East. 582 00:29:05,779 --> 00:29:09,382 - So how much money did he borrow from Delfo Zorzi? 583 00:29:10,183 --> 00:29:12,018 - $40 million. 584 00:29:12,018 --> 00:29:15,355 - That's 40 million reasons to kill someone, perhaps. 585 00:29:16,823 --> 00:29:19,059 - That's why we wanted to understand why 586 00:29:19,092 --> 00:29:21,661 and what their agreements were, and, above all, 587 00:29:21,695 --> 00:29:24,431 if Maurizio Gucci gave Zorzi the money back. 588 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,134 - Uncle Aldo said he sold his soul 589 00:29:28,168 --> 00:29:30,370 when he let go of Gucci. 590 00:29:30,403 --> 00:29:31,771 Investigators wondered, 591 00:29:31,805 --> 00:29:35,442 had Maurizio sold his to keep it? 592 00:29:35,475 --> 00:29:37,711 Now, possible suspects in the murder 593 00:29:37,744 --> 00:29:39,813 were starting to pile up, 594 00:29:39,846 --> 00:29:43,116 and soon there would be one more to add to the list, 595 00:29:43,149 --> 00:29:45,318 someone else Maurizio had wronged 596 00:29:45,352 --> 00:29:48,888 who had been threatening to do something about it, loudly. 597 00:29:52,258 --> 00:29:54,728 - She was unkind, always put him down. 598 00:29:54,761 --> 00:29:57,063 - He started to feel sort of preyed upon. 599 00:29:57,097 --> 00:29:59,799 - A marriage on the rocks. - He packed a bag. 600 00:29:59,833 --> 00:30:02,469 He said he was going to Florence for business meetings. 601 00:30:02,502 --> 00:30:04,771 - And a new romance on the side. 602 00:30:04,804 --> 00:30:06,306 - And I had to walk down, I'll never forget it, 603 00:30:06,339 --> 00:30:08,174 this huge flight of stairs. 604 00:30:08,208 --> 00:30:11,711 And I got to the bottom, and he said to me, 605 00:30:11,745 --> 00:30:14,581 "I am your knight in shining armor." 606 00:30:21,187 --> 00:30:27,594 ** 607 00:30:28,328 --> 00:30:30,830 Maurizio's finances were a mess, 608 00:30:30,864 --> 00:30:33,099 and from the beginning, investigators had wondered 609 00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:35,869 if his love life was too. 610 00:30:35,902 --> 00:30:38,438 In fact, one of the first people Prosecutor Nocerino 611 00:30:38,471 --> 00:30:41,107 interrogated after the murder 612 00:30:41,141 --> 00:30:43,543 was Patrizia Reggiani. 613 00:30:45,211 --> 00:30:47,514 - When I questioned her for the first time, 614 00:30:47,547 --> 00:30:49,749 she was calm and confident. 615 00:30:49,783 --> 00:30:51,618 She was tense, because she understood 616 00:30:51,651 --> 00:30:53,653 that the questioning was important, 617 00:30:53,687 --> 00:30:56,790 but she wasn't crying or trembling or worried. 618 00:30:56,823 --> 00:30:58,358 - And in terms of the evidence, I mean, 619 00:30:58,391 --> 00:31:01,761 I imagine the first thing you ask is the alibi. 620 00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:05,799 - Yes, I did ask about her alibi. 621 00:31:05,832 --> 00:31:07,133 She had one. 622 00:31:07,167 --> 00:31:10,070 We could not place her in Via Palestro that day. 623 00:31:12,238 --> 00:31:14,708 - But now that he knew more about Maurizio, 624 00:31:14,741 --> 00:31:17,911 Nocerino wanted to learn about Patrizia, too. 625 00:31:17,944 --> 00:31:20,146 So, he went back in time again 626 00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:22,082 to when she watched her husband 627 00:31:22,115 --> 00:31:24,784 lead the company for the first time. 628 00:31:24,818 --> 00:31:27,387 - She's finally seeing a return on her investment. 629 00:31:27,420 --> 00:31:30,223 - Sofia Persio was an assistant editor at "Forbes" 630 00:31:30,256 --> 00:31:32,892 who reported on Maurizio's murder. 631 00:31:32,926 --> 00:31:35,762 - She feels that she has spent time and care 632 00:31:35,795 --> 00:31:38,865 and attention into this relationship and, uh, that she-- 633 00:31:38,898 --> 00:31:42,969 this glimpse of a life that she first saw 634 00:31:43,003 --> 00:31:46,606 in that park in Milan in the early 1970s, 635 00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:49,109 a decade later, there they are. 636 00:31:49,109 --> 00:31:52,679 They are the Gucci couple, Mr. and Mrs. Gucci. 637 00:31:53,947 --> 00:31:57,117 - In public, they were fashion's new power couple, 638 00:31:57,117 --> 00:31:58,585 but below the surface, 639 00:31:58,618 --> 00:32:01,121 Maurizio's and Patrizia's 10-year marriage 640 00:32:01,154 --> 00:32:03,156 had begun to crack. 641 00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:05,225 - After some time, 642 00:32:05,258 --> 00:32:08,061 her pushing started to grate on him, 643 00:32:08,094 --> 00:32:09,896 and he started to feel restless, 644 00:32:09,929 --> 00:32:13,700 and he started to feel, um, sort of preyed upon. 645 00:32:13,733 --> 00:32:16,202 You could definitely see that he had the beginnings 646 00:32:16,236 --> 00:32:19,806 of really wanting to kind of call the shots himself. 647 00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,542 - But there was also something else, 648 00:32:22,575 --> 00:32:25,478 or rather someone else. 649 00:32:25,512 --> 00:32:28,581 - He said, "Do I ever get to talk to you alone?" 650 00:32:28,615 --> 00:32:31,584 And I said, "Me? You're married." 651 00:32:31,618 --> 00:32:33,620 - Sheree Loud was 25, 652 00:32:33,653 --> 00:32:35,522 ten years younger than Maurizio, 653 00:32:35,555 --> 00:32:37,123 when he made his move at a dinner 654 00:32:37,157 --> 00:32:41,294 after one of the sailing races they'd watched together. 655 00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:44,097 - He said he never met anybody like me-- 656 00:32:44,097 --> 00:32:47,467 real, funny, not impressed... 657 00:32:48,802 --> 00:32:50,904 not-not bejeweled or bedazzled, 658 00:32:50,937 --> 00:32:53,573 and-and very natural and an American. 659 00:32:53,606 --> 00:32:55,575 - Sheree resisted at first, 660 00:32:55,608 --> 00:32:58,611 but Maurizio was used to getting what he wanted. 661 00:32:58,645 --> 00:33:01,681 So, several months later, there she was 662 00:33:01,715 --> 00:33:05,452 waiting for him at a hotel in Nice, France. 663 00:33:05,485 --> 00:33:07,220 - I had to walk down-- I'll never forget it-- 664 00:33:07,253 --> 00:33:10,290 this huge flight of stairs, and he was at the bottom, 665 00:33:10,323 --> 00:33:13,193 and I'm not really a nervous person, but I was-- 666 00:33:13,226 --> 00:33:15,128 I had a lot of butterflies, and I got to the bottom, 667 00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:17,831 and he said to me, 668 00:33:17,864 --> 00:33:19,966 "I am your knight in shining armor. 669 00:33:20,066 --> 00:33:22,569 "I just forgot the horse." 670 00:33:22,602 --> 00:33:24,637 - It was the beginning of a passionate affair 671 00:33:24,671 --> 00:33:28,341 that would change Sheree's life and Maurizio's. 672 00:33:28,375 --> 00:33:31,611 By then, he had been married to Patrizia for 12 years 673 00:33:31,644 --> 00:33:35,081 and was desperately looking for a way out. 674 00:33:35,081 --> 00:33:37,517 - She was unkind, always put him down, 675 00:33:37,550 --> 00:33:40,086 didn't want to do anything that he wanted to do. 676 00:33:40,086 --> 00:33:42,422 He said he didn't love her anymore. 677 00:33:42,455 --> 00:33:45,091 He said he'd just had enough. 678 00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:48,895 - Maurizio had always shied away from confronting Patrizia, 679 00:33:48,928 --> 00:33:51,531 so one day in May 1985, 680 00:33:51,564 --> 00:33:54,401 he packed his suitcase and left the apartment 681 00:33:54,434 --> 00:33:57,837 he shared with Patrizia and his two daughters. 682 00:33:57,871 --> 00:33:59,172 - When Maurizio left-- 683 00:33:59,205 --> 00:34:00,807 and I think this may speak a little bit 684 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,543 to his insecurity and lack of confidence. 685 00:34:03,576 --> 00:34:05,412 You know, he didn't say, "Patrizia, 686 00:34:05,445 --> 00:34:08,281 we need to talk. Things aren't working." 687 00:34:08,314 --> 00:34:09,449 He didn't say anything. 688 00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:11,051 He-he packed a bag. 689 00:34:11,051 --> 00:34:13,687 He said he was going to Florence for business meetings, 690 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:15,622 He left, and it wasn't until the next day 691 00:34:15,655 --> 00:34:17,057 that he sent a friend 692 00:34:17,090 --> 00:34:19,859 to tell her that he wasn't coming back. 693 00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:23,830 - Not coming back, as in ever. 694 00:34:23,863 --> 00:34:27,067 Sheree found out about it the next time they met. 695 00:34:27,067 --> 00:34:28,401 - He pulled up in a Ferrari 696 00:34:28,435 --> 00:34:29,936 to pick me up from the airport, 697 00:34:29,969 --> 00:34:32,572 and he said, "I moved out. I'm done." 698 00:34:32,605 --> 00:34:33,840 I didn't really know what the future 699 00:34:33,873 --> 00:34:36,109 would be for both of us, 700 00:34:36,142 --> 00:34:39,145 but I was happy that he felt free. 701 00:34:39,179 --> 00:34:41,514 - Maurizio may have felt liberated, 702 00:34:41,548 --> 00:34:44,451 but Patrizia had been blindsided. 703 00:34:44,484 --> 00:34:46,586 - It must have been incomprehensible to her 704 00:34:46,619 --> 00:34:49,689 because, um, you know, they had built so much of-- 705 00:34:49,723 --> 00:34:52,192 of what they had together, in her mind, 706 00:34:52,225 --> 00:34:55,562 and I think that it was also-- 707 00:34:55,595 --> 00:34:58,098 The fact that he couldn't tell it to her face 708 00:34:58,131 --> 00:35:01,634 was also indicative of how far apart they'd already grown. 709 00:35:01,668 --> 00:35:05,305 - Maurizio leaving made something else painfully clear. 710 00:35:05,338 --> 00:35:08,575 Patrizia was never really a Gucci. 711 00:35:08,608 --> 00:35:12,145 - She would recall later on that he told her, 712 00:35:12,178 --> 00:35:15,148 "You fancied yourself president of Gucci, 713 00:35:15,181 --> 00:35:18,184 "but here, there's only one president." 714 00:35:18,218 --> 00:35:20,954 - Patrizia also remembered what Maurizio's father, 715 00:35:21,054 --> 00:35:24,324 of all people, told her about her husband. 716 00:35:24,357 --> 00:35:29,062 - Rodolfo warned Patrizia that Maurizio would change 717 00:35:29,062 --> 00:35:31,965 when he, you know, got the money and the family wealth. 718 00:35:32,065 --> 00:35:35,068 He said, "Be careful, because when Maurizio gets 719 00:35:35,068 --> 00:35:37,537 "everything that I will bequeath to him, 720 00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:39,072 "he will change," 721 00:35:39,072 --> 00:35:42,442 and that's exactly what happened. 722 00:35:42,475 --> 00:35:44,144 - But Patrizia wasn't the kind of woman 723 00:35:44,177 --> 00:35:47,080 who would let things like that just happen. 724 00:35:50,316 --> 00:35:52,452 - Her anger starts to grow as she realizes 725 00:35:52,485 --> 00:35:55,755 that she's really suffering this-this deep loss. 726 00:35:55,789 --> 00:35:57,257 - A woman scorned. 727 00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:59,592 Could she be planning to settle the score? 728 00:35:59,626 --> 00:36:01,561 - For her, it was very personal. 729 00:36:01,594 --> 00:36:05,198 She said that she could never forgive what he did to her. 730 00:36:05,231 --> 00:36:07,534 - And a dynasty unraveling. 731 00:36:07,567 --> 00:36:10,370 - Maurizio had a strong vision, 732 00:36:10,403 --> 00:36:11,604 but the company was broke. 733 00:36:11,638 --> 00:36:13,640 It was-- it was a disaster. 734 00:36:20,145 --> 00:36:27,619 ** 735 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,557 Freed from his father, freed from his wife, 736 00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:34,893 Maurizio was finally his own man. 737 00:36:34,927 --> 00:36:37,796 - He was able to be reborn. 738 00:36:37,830 --> 00:36:40,666 He was able to become himself finally. 739 00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:43,502 He wasn't under anybody's pressure 740 00:36:43,535 --> 00:36:44,970 or anybody's constraint, 741 00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:48,941 like Rodolfo or Patrizia. 742 00:36:48,974 --> 00:36:51,610 - The man with whom Sheree Loud had fallen in love 743 00:36:51,643 --> 00:36:55,447 didn't seem to be constrained by anything anymore, 744 00:36:55,481 --> 00:36:57,716 like the time he surprised her in New York 745 00:36:57,750 --> 00:37:00,019 with a very expensive delicacy 746 00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:02,654 he sneaked past airport customs. 747 00:37:02,688 --> 00:37:05,024 - He would smuggle in truffle. 748 00:37:05,024 --> 00:37:06,191 We loved truffle. 749 00:37:06,225 --> 00:37:09,294 He put it in a jar with rice and smuggled big, big-- 750 00:37:09,328 --> 00:37:12,631 And we'd shave it on everything, eggs, pasta, 751 00:37:12,664 --> 00:37:17,036 and he was just so excited to do something like that. 752 00:37:17,036 --> 00:37:18,871 - But while Maurizio was feasting 753 00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:20,906 on the finer things in life, 754 00:37:20,939 --> 00:37:24,576 Patrizia was being devoured by rage. 755 00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:26,645 - We'd go to San Moritz, and we'd have to leave, 756 00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,947 because someone would call, "She's on her way," 757 00:37:29,048 --> 00:37:31,617 and everybody had to clean up and pack and leave, 758 00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:34,653 just leave because he didn't want to have the confrontation. 759 00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:37,056 She was very confrontational. 760 00:37:37,056 --> 00:37:39,191 - Sheree said Patrizia was so angry, 761 00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:40,626 she prevented Maurizio from seeing 762 00:37:40,659 --> 00:37:43,529 his daughters for months at a time. 763 00:37:43,562 --> 00:37:45,264 It was all a bit much to handle 764 00:37:45,297 --> 00:37:47,966 for a young suburban woman from Connecticut, 765 00:37:48,067 --> 00:37:51,670 so after five years, Sheree called it quits. 766 00:37:51,704 --> 00:37:55,074 - At the end, I just got tired of traveling back and forth, 767 00:37:55,107 --> 00:37:57,509 and I got tired of the drama, 768 00:37:57,543 --> 00:37:59,611 because it was never-ending. 769 00:37:59,645 --> 00:38:01,780 I couldn't handle it anymore. 770 00:38:01,814 --> 00:38:03,882 I didn't want to handle it anymore. 771 00:38:03,916 --> 00:38:06,285 - She and Maurizio parted as friends, 772 00:38:06,318 --> 00:38:08,721 then gradually lost contact, 773 00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:10,689 and perhaps it was just a matter of time 774 00:38:10,723 --> 00:38:12,491 before another woman 775 00:38:12,524 --> 00:38:14,827 walked into Maurizio's life, 776 00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:17,930 Milan interior designer Paola Franchi. 777 00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:21,467 That relationship was an even greater affront to Patrizia, 778 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,902 who was still married to Maurizio, 779 00:38:23,936 --> 00:38:27,406 even though they had been separated for five years. 780 00:38:27,439 --> 00:38:29,041 - Patrizia hated Paola, 781 00:38:29,041 --> 00:38:31,643 and really saw Paola as the gold digger, 782 00:38:31,677 --> 00:38:35,881 and Paola trying to get her hooks into Maurizio. 783 00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:38,350 - NBC new correspondent Claudio Lavanga 784 00:38:38,384 --> 00:38:41,053 says that Patrizia's hate grew 785 00:38:41,053 --> 00:38:43,756 when she found out that Maurizio and Paola 786 00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:46,725 had moved in together. 787 00:38:46,759 --> 00:38:49,728 - That's where Maurizio and Paola lived, right? 788 00:38:49,762 --> 00:38:51,497 - That's right. This is Corso Venezia, 789 00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:54,533 which is one of the most exclusive areas of Milan. 790 00:38:54,566 --> 00:38:57,403 The fashion district is literally feet away. 791 00:38:57,436 --> 00:38:59,204 His office is around the corner, 792 00:38:59,238 --> 00:39:02,574 and they lived just up there on the last floor, 793 00:39:02,608 --> 00:39:05,911 a beautiful, enormous apartment they were remaking-- 794 00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:08,781 redoing, and probably planning a future together. 795 00:39:08,814 --> 00:39:10,115 - Yeah, the story was that they actually 796 00:39:10,149 --> 00:39:11,784 were thinking to get married. 797 00:39:11,817 --> 00:39:13,585 - Well, and that may have been a rumor 798 00:39:13,619 --> 00:39:16,255 that Patrizia may have heard, as well. 799 00:39:18,223 --> 00:39:19,892 - Her anger starts to grow 800 00:39:19,925 --> 00:39:22,795 as she realizes that she's really suffering this-- 801 00:39:22,828 --> 00:39:24,096 this deep loss, 802 00:39:24,129 --> 00:39:26,598 and it's really a loss of her own identity, too, 803 00:39:26,632 --> 00:39:29,902 because she had come to identify herself with Gucci 804 00:39:29,935 --> 00:39:32,538 and as La Senora Gucci. 805 00:39:32,571 --> 00:39:35,708 - In 1991, a year after he met Paola, 806 00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:39,244 Maurizio officially filed for divorce. 807 00:39:39,278 --> 00:39:40,679 Even worse, the next year, 808 00:39:40,713 --> 00:39:43,215 Patrizia was diagnosed with a brain tumor 809 00:39:43,248 --> 00:39:45,417 and rushed into surgery. 810 00:39:45,451 --> 00:39:47,753 In the recovery room, she opened her eyes, 811 00:39:47,786 --> 00:39:50,556 hoping that Maurizio would be there. 812 00:39:50,589 --> 00:39:53,559 He was not. 813 00:39:53,592 --> 00:39:55,294 - He sends flowers instead 814 00:39:55,327 --> 00:39:58,630 with a note that just reads "Maurizio Gucci," 815 00:39:58,664 --> 00:40:00,399 which is definitely 816 00:40:00,432 --> 00:40:04,003 a cold move in her eyes. 817 00:40:04,036 --> 00:40:05,604 The fact that he doesn't show up 818 00:40:05,637 --> 00:40:08,974 when she is in hospital needing him the most 819 00:40:09,008 --> 00:40:12,611 does-does add up to her frustration, 820 00:40:12,644 --> 00:40:15,681 and the way that she starts 821 00:40:15,714 --> 00:40:17,716 to think of him 822 00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:20,352 really as less of a person, 823 00:40:20,386 --> 00:40:21,587 someone who has betrayed her 824 00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:24,323 and let her down multiple times, 825 00:40:24,356 --> 00:40:26,225 someone who she loved very much 826 00:40:26,258 --> 00:40:29,762 and had done this to her, so the resentment 827 00:40:29,795 --> 00:40:33,032 grows particularly strong after that. 828 00:40:33,065 --> 00:40:35,534 - The tumor turned out to be benign, 829 00:40:35,567 --> 00:40:39,204 but by now Patrizia's anger had become malignant, 830 00:40:39,238 --> 00:40:40,406 and just when it seemed 831 00:40:40,439 --> 00:40:43,776 that her rage could not rise any higher, 832 00:40:43,809 --> 00:40:47,146 it did, when, in September 1993, 833 00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:50,482 Maurizio lost Gucci. 834 00:40:50,516 --> 00:40:53,285 - Maurizio had a strong vision, 835 00:40:53,318 --> 00:40:56,588 but Maurizio did not execute, could not execute, 836 00:40:56,622 --> 00:40:58,957 and the company was broke. 837 00:40:58,991 --> 00:41:00,459 You know, the company was really-- 838 00:41:00,492 --> 00:41:02,428 it was just-- it was a disaster. 839 00:41:02,461 --> 00:41:06,131 - What happened? In his effort to return Gucci to glory, 840 00:41:06,165 --> 00:41:09,435 Maurizio focused on high-end luxury items, 841 00:41:09,468 --> 00:41:12,538 but he pulled the plug on many of the cheaper products 842 00:41:12,571 --> 00:41:15,341 that actually made money for the company. 843 00:41:15,374 --> 00:41:17,776 Gucci plunged into the red. 844 00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:20,679 - I think we already saw the light at the tunnel, 845 00:41:20,713 --> 00:41:24,149 but the financial investor thought that it was 846 00:41:24,183 --> 00:41:25,884 in the interest of the company, 847 00:41:25,918 --> 00:41:28,187 but also in the interest of the shareholders 848 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:31,256 to try and change the leadership of the company. 849 00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:35,094 - Now, for the first time in its 70-year history, 850 00:41:35,127 --> 00:41:37,896 there wasn't a Gucci leading the company. 851 00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:40,666 It was a huge blow to the Gucci family 852 00:41:40,699 --> 00:41:44,103 and to Patrizia, who took it personally. 853 00:41:44,103 --> 00:41:47,639 - She said that she could never forgive what he did to her, 854 00:41:47,673 --> 00:41:49,708 so for her, it was very personal. 855 00:41:49,742 --> 00:41:52,978 When he lost Gucci, it was a personal attack to her 856 00:41:53,012 --> 00:41:55,681 and all that she had tried to do for him. 857 00:41:57,116 --> 00:41:59,118 - Did that despair and disappointment 858 00:41:59,118 --> 00:42:01,620 add up to a motive for murder? 859 00:42:01,653 --> 00:42:04,056 To make that case, Prosecutor Nocerino 860 00:42:04,056 --> 00:42:07,059 would need to find clearer evidence, 861 00:42:07,059 --> 00:42:09,061 but that would have to wait. 862 00:42:09,061 --> 00:42:11,397 The alleged terrorist who had loaned Maurizio 863 00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:15,167 $40 million was ready to talk. 864 00:42:18,103 --> 00:42:20,673 An accused terrorist, a betrayed family, 865 00:42:20,706 --> 00:42:22,608 a bitter ex-wife. 866 00:42:22,641 --> 00:42:26,712 Were any involved in this murder? 867 00:42:26,745 --> 00:42:29,648 Investigators uncover a secret tape. 868 00:42:29,682 --> 00:42:32,251 - It was pure hatred. 869 00:42:32,284 --> 00:42:34,219 - Hatred that goes public. 870 00:42:34,253 --> 00:42:36,488 - She spoke straight out to the press, 871 00:42:36,522 --> 00:42:39,758 saying he was a bad husband, he was a bad businessman, 872 00:42:39,792 --> 00:42:41,393 he was weak. 873 00:42:53,673 --> 00:42:55,975 Welcome back to "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 874 00:42:56,343 --> 00:42:57,677 I'm Kate Snow. 875 00:42:57,711 --> 00:43:01,281 Maurizio Gucci was executed in broad daylight, 876 00:43:01,314 --> 00:43:04,451 and the list of potential suspects was long. 877 00:43:04,484 --> 00:43:06,953 He'd run the family business into the red, 878 00:43:07,053 --> 00:43:10,190 leaving a trail of battered egos in his wake, 879 00:43:10,223 --> 00:43:13,526 but investigators would learn one person's anger 880 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,528 burned hotter than the rest, 881 00:43:15,562 --> 00:43:18,298 someone whose whispers weren't so quiet 882 00:43:18,331 --> 00:43:20,834 about wanting Maurizio dead. 883 00:43:20,867 --> 00:43:22,268 Back to Natalie Morales 884 00:43:22,302 --> 00:43:25,905 with "Murder in the House of Gucci." 885 00:43:25,939 --> 00:43:27,073 - It had been about a year 886 00:43:27,073 --> 00:43:29,275 since the murder of Mauricio Gucci, 887 00:43:29,309 --> 00:43:31,778 and still no arrest. 888 00:43:31,811 --> 00:43:34,814 Prosecutor Nocerino and his team took stock. 889 00:43:34,848 --> 00:43:37,384 Who could have killed him? 890 00:43:37,417 --> 00:43:40,787 One intriguing person of interest was Delfo Zorzi, 891 00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:43,823 the alleged terrorist who had loaned Maurizio 892 00:43:43,857 --> 00:43:47,160 $40 million to pay his debts. 893 00:43:47,193 --> 00:43:50,764 Zorzi had been living beyond the prosecutor's reach in Japan, 894 00:43:50,797 --> 00:43:52,499 but after receiving assurances 895 00:43:52,532 --> 00:43:55,101 he would not be extradited to Italy, 896 00:43:55,101 --> 00:43:59,005 Zorzi agreed to meet with Nocerino in Paris. 897 00:44:00,940 --> 00:44:01,941 - He clearly explained to us 898 00:44:02,042 --> 00:44:04,144 that Gucci gave him the money back. 899 00:44:04,177 --> 00:44:06,246 - And you believed him? Did he give you proof? 900 00:44:08,048 --> 00:44:09,082 - Yes, he did. 901 00:44:09,115 --> 00:44:11,051 Zorzi gave us proof of this payment. 902 00:44:11,051 --> 00:44:13,653 - So when you left that meeting in Paris, 903 00:44:13,687 --> 00:44:17,657 you had eliminated Zorzi as a suspect? 904 00:44:17,691 --> 00:44:21,394 - Yes, I did. That lead was over. 905 00:44:21,428 --> 00:44:23,363 - Years later, Zorzi would be cleared 906 00:44:23,396 --> 00:44:25,665 of the terrorism charge, too, 907 00:44:25,699 --> 00:44:27,100 and with him out of the picture, 908 00:44:27,133 --> 00:44:31,237 Nocerino turned his attention to Aldo's family. 909 00:44:31,271 --> 00:44:33,940 Investigators interviewed the entire family, 910 00:44:33,973 --> 00:44:38,244 including his granddaughter, Patrizia Gucci. 911 00:44:38,278 --> 00:44:41,214 - We were all called, and I told them what I knew. 912 00:44:41,247 --> 00:44:44,284 - Did they ever seem to suspect 913 00:44:44,317 --> 00:44:48,154 that anyone from the family could have done this? 914 00:44:48,188 --> 00:44:50,190 - No. No one in the family. 915 00:44:50,223 --> 00:44:52,826 Actually, there was someone who did this terrible article, 916 00:44:52,859 --> 00:44:55,095 "look for the killer inside of the family." 917 00:44:55,095 --> 00:44:57,097 It was something completely made up. 918 00:45:06,406 --> 00:45:07,540 - Right. 919 00:45:11,911 --> 00:45:13,380 - Indeed, Nocerino found that 920 00:45:13,413 --> 00:45:17,050 Aldo's sons simply took the cash and ran, 921 00:45:17,050 --> 00:45:21,054 leaving their family business, including Maurizio, behind. 922 00:45:23,223 --> 00:45:24,257 - Right away, it was clear 923 00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:26,826 that all the family fights were old, 924 00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:30,130 and all of them had been settled with contractual agreements. 925 00:45:30,163 --> 00:45:32,499 There weren't any more remaining fights. 926 00:45:32,532 --> 00:45:36,636 In this murder, the Gucci family is not involved. 927 00:45:36,670 --> 00:45:39,372 There wasn't any evidence. 928 00:45:39,406 --> 00:45:43,476 - And that left Patricia Reggiani, Mauricio's ex-wife, 929 00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:47,447 who still insisted on calling herself "Mrs. Gucci." 930 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,250 Even though her contentious divorce with Mauricio 931 00:45:50,283 --> 00:45:53,086 had been in all the Italian tabloids, 932 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:55,388 here she was at his funeral, 933 00:45:55,422 --> 00:45:58,291 appearing as the grieving widow. 934 00:45:58,324 --> 00:46:01,327 - She organized the funeral for Maurizio, 935 00:46:01,361 --> 00:46:03,797 and she was in the front row with the girls, 936 00:46:03,830 --> 00:46:06,299 and so she was-- she, at that moment, 937 00:46:06,332 --> 00:46:09,235 kind of became La Senora Gucci again 938 00:46:09,269 --> 00:46:11,538 in a very public way. 939 00:46:11,571 --> 00:46:15,075 - She makes this choice of wearing a black veil, 940 00:46:15,108 --> 00:46:16,676 which is so dramatic, 941 00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:20,880 and so she almost steps into the role of the-- 942 00:46:20,914 --> 00:46:22,248 of a black widow. 943 00:46:22,282 --> 00:46:25,819 - It was a description the tabloids could not resist, 944 00:46:25,852 --> 00:46:27,620 but investigators soon learned 945 00:46:27,654 --> 00:46:30,657 that while most people abide by the old adage, 946 00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:32,726 "don't speak ill of the dead," 947 00:46:32,759 --> 00:46:35,695 this black widow wasn't one of them. 948 00:46:35,729 --> 00:46:38,665 - A friend called and-and asked if she'd heard the news, 949 00:46:38,698 --> 00:46:40,533 and she said, "Maurizio may have died," 950 00:46:40,567 --> 00:46:43,069 "but I have just begun to live." 951 00:46:43,103 --> 00:46:45,171 - And the more investigators looked, 952 00:46:45,205 --> 00:46:48,308 the more bitter Patricia looked to them, 953 00:46:48,341 --> 00:46:50,577 especially after they uncovered a recording 954 00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:53,913 of a dramatic rant she sent to Maurizio. 955 00:46:53,947 --> 00:46:55,615 - [speaking Italian] 956 00:46:55,648 --> 00:46:57,917 - She said, "You reached the ultimate limit 957 00:46:57,951 --> 00:47:00,553 "by making your own daughters despise you, 958 00:47:00,587 --> 00:47:01,888 "who don't even want to see you 959 00:47:01,921 --> 00:47:03,890 "so they can forget their trauma. 960 00:47:03,923 --> 00:47:05,525 "You are a deformed outgrowth, 961 00:47:05,558 --> 00:47:09,262 "a painful appendix that we all want to forget." 962 00:47:09,295 --> 00:47:10,430 - And, you know, it was, 963 00:47:10,463 --> 00:47:13,433 "Maurizio, the inferno for you is-is yet to come." 964 00:47:13,466 --> 00:47:14,834 It was-- 965 00:47:14,868 --> 00:47:18,405 it was pure hatred. 966 00:47:18,438 --> 00:47:21,541 - Nocerino had no evidence tying Patrizia to the shooting, 967 00:47:21,574 --> 00:47:23,810 but he was sure she had motive, 968 00:47:23,843 --> 00:47:26,246 and not just jealousy or betrayal. 969 00:47:26,279 --> 00:47:28,481 Maurizio had sold his stake in Gucci 970 00:47:28,515 --> 00:47:31,484 for $135 million. 971 00:47:31,518 --> 00:47:33,520 Perhaps, Nocerino theorized, 972 00:47:33,553 --> 00:47:37,057 it was about money after all. 973 00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:40,427 - After he lost control of the company in 1993, 974 00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:42,962 he had a finite, you know, amount of money. 975 00:47:43,063 --> 00:47:45,699 It was a lot. It was $135 million, 976 00:47:45,732 --> 00:47:49,669 but he was spending it like water. 977 00:47:49,703 --> 00:47:52,072 - Maurizio and his live-in girlfriend, Paola Franchi, 978 00:47:52,072 --> 00:47:55,542 were completely renovating their Corso Venezia apartment 979 00:47:55,575 --> 00:47:57,677 and they had expensive tastes. 980 00:47:57,711 --> 00:48:00,313 Add to that Maurizio's ongoing restoration 981 00:48:00,347 --> 00:48:01,881 of his ship "Creole," 982 00:48:01,915 --> 00:48:03,750 his properties around the world, 983 00:48:03,783 --> 00:48:05,552 and some new business ventures, 984 00:48:05,585 --> 00:48:08,154 none of them guaranteed to succeed. 985 00:48:08,188 --> 00:48:10,457 - And Patrizia grew very concerned 986 00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:12,359 that-that if he kept on at that rate 987 00:48:12,392 --> 00:48:15,595 that pretty soon, there would be nothing left. 988 00:48:15,628 --> 00:48:17,063 - And so, Patrizia, 989 00:48:17,097 --> 00:48:21,034 who famously called her generous $1 million a year alimony 990 00:48:21,034 --> 00:48:23,336 "little more than a plate of lentils," 991 00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:27,173 started lambasting Maurizio on TV and in the newspapers. 992 00:48:28,174 --> 00:48:31,044 - She was furious. She didn't hide that fury. 993 00:48:31,077 --> 00:48:33,380 She spoke straight out to the press, 994 00:48:33,413 --> 00:48:35,248 saying he was a bad husband, 995 00:48:35,281 --> 00:48:37,617 he was a bad businessman, he was weak. 996 00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:38,718 - She said he's like a-- 997 00:48:38,752 --> 00:48:41,121 he's like a seat cushion that keeps the imprint 998 00:48:41,154 --> 00:48:43,490 of the last person that has sat on it. 999 00:48:43,523 --> 00:48:46,960 - Patrizia's public outbursts and threats scared Paola. 1000 00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:49,729 She said as much to investigators. 1001 00:48:49,763 --> 00:48:51,331 - Paola was very transparent 1002 00:48:51,364 --> 00:48:55,402 that she thinks that Patrizia is a lead suspect here. 1003 00:48:55,435 --> 00:48:56,603 Her life had been made hell 1004 00:48:56,636 --> 00:48:59,339 by Patrizia making these threats 1005 00:48:59,372 --> 00:49:03,009 and being so angry. 1006 00:49:03,009 --> 00:49:05,745 - Paola told police that when Maurizio died, 1007 00:49:05,779 --> 00:49:08,314 his daughters inherited his apartment, 1008 00:49:08,348 --> 00:49:10,517 and Patrizia didn't waste any time 1009 00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:13,219 taking possession of it. 1010 00:49:13,253 --> 00:49:16,156 - Can you believe that not even 24 hours after the murder, 1011 00:49:16,189 --> 00:49:19,726 Patrizia shows up here with an eviction order for Paola 1012 00:49:19,759 --> 00:49:22,328 and tells Paola Franchi "get out"? 1013 00:49:22,362 --> 00:49:25,031 - Wow, 24-hours later! - Oh, it gets worse than that. 1014 00:49:25,031 --> 00:49:27,867 I mean, that letter was drafted by a lawyer 1015 00:49:27,901 --> 00:49:31,538 hours after the murder, so the body was barely cold. 1016 00:49:31,571 --> 00:49:34,341 - And Paola then was tossed to the street? 1017 00:49:34,374 --> 00:49:36,109 - Well, not only she. 1018 00:49:36,142 --> 00:49:38,044 She basically tossed out everything 1019 00:49:38,044 --> 00:49:41,548 that resembled Maurizio and Paola's lives together. 1020 00:49:41,581 --> 00:49:44,384 - That's pretty cold. - It is cold. 1021 00:49:44,417 --> 00:49:48,388 - Paola's eviction was a stunning discovery for Nocerino. 1022 00:49:48,421 --> 00:49:50,390 It was almost as if Patrizia knew 1023 00:49:50,423 --> 00:49:52,325 she would take over the apartment 1024 00:49:52,359 --> 00:49:55,061 before her ex-husband was killed. 1025 00:49:55,095 --> 00:49:56,296 But that was nothing 1026 00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:59,632 compared to the bombshell Patrizia's lawyer dropped. 1027 00:49:59,666 --> 00:50:01,267 He told investigators 1028 00:50:01,301 --> 00:50:04,104 Patrizia may have been looking for a hitman. 1029 00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,541 - Patrizia Reggiani's lawyer told us 1030 00:50:08,575 --> 00:50:12,479 that Reggiani asked him several times what would happen to her 1031 00:50:12,512 --> 00:50:15,682 if she paid someone to kill her husband. 1032 00:50:15,715 --> 00:50:19,185 - Her own lawyer is raising the red flag 1033 00:50:19,219 --> 00:50:22,956 and saying it might be Patrizia Reggiani? 1034 00:50:22,989 --> 00:50:25,792 - Yes, we couldn't officially consider her guilty 1035 00:50:25,825 --> 00:50:28,128 just on the basis of his testimony. 1036 00:50:28,161 --> 00:50:30,330 We needed something more. 1037 00:50:30,363 --> 00:50:32,665 - It turns out the lawyer was hardly the only one 1038 00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:35,402 Patrizia was talking to about a hitman. 1039 00:50:37,637 --> 00:50:39,372 - We discovered there were other people 1040 00:50:39,406 --> 00:50:41,841 who Reggiani asked to kill Maurizio Gucci, 1041 00:50:41,875 --> 00:50:44,678 for example, housekeepers that she had in the past. 1042 00:50:44,711 --> 00:50:47,113 They said she asked them to find someone. 1043 00:50:47,147 --> 00:50:48,548 - But even though she's a suspect, 1044 00:50:48,581 --> 00:50:52,285 you have no proof, right? 1045 00:50:52,318 --> 00:50:53,286 - No, we don't. 1046 00:50:53,319 --> 00:50:56,122 We do not have the smoking gun, 1047 00:50:56,156 --> 00:50:59,125 but all of these people she asked weren't criminals. 1048 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,961 It wasn't concrete evidence. 1049 00:51:02,062 --> 00:51:04,731 - But Patrizia seemed wildly indiscreet, 1050 00:51:04,764 --> 00:51:07,734 and Nocerino thought it was just a matter of time 1051 00:51:07,767 --> 00:51:10,303 before she said something incriminating. 1052 00:51:10,337 --> 00:51:14,774 The prosecutor just needed to get it on tape. 1053 00:51:14,808 --> 00:51:16,910 - We thought about putting a webcam in her house 1054 00:51:16,943 --> 00:51:18,078 or bugging her house 1055 00:51:18,111 --> 00:51:20,714 to see what kind of people she was hanging out with, 1056 00:51:20,747 --> 00:51:24,084 but it was very difficult because her apartment was huge. 1057 00:51:24,084 --> 00:51:26,286 She could have been talking in any room. 1058 00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:28,888 - But her phone calls were a different story, 1059 00:51:28,922 --> 00:51:31,491 so investigators set up a wiretap, 1060 00:51:31,524 --> 00:51:33,493 and over one of those calls, 1061 00:51:33,526 --> 00:51:36,930 Nocerino heard a voice that caught his attention. 1062 00:51:36,963 --> 00:51:39,733 It belonged to a woman named Pina Auriemma. 1063 00:51:41,634 --> 00:51:44,738 - Pina Auriemma was an ambiguous person, 1064 00:51:44,771 --> 00:51:48,675 a woman from Naples who was part of Reggiani's circle. 1065 00:51:48,708 --> 00:51:50,977 - What was a mysterious woman from Naples 1066 00:51:51,011 --> 00:51:54,347 doing with a high society woman from Milan? 1067 00:51:54,381 --> 00:51:56,116 The answer, he suspected, 1068 00:51:56,116 --> 00:51:58,618 would blow his investigation wide open. 1069 00:52:02,122 --> 00:52:05,258 - Who was this mysterious woman named Pina? 1070 00:52:05,291 --> 00:52:08,428 She'd come to be known as the Black Witch. 1071 00:52:08,461 --> 00:52:11,731 - He thought they were doing voodoo and spellcasting 1072 00:52:11,765 --> 00:52:13,233 and all kinds of crazy things, 1073 00:52:13,266 --> 00:52:15,168 and I said, "You've gotta be kidding me. 1074 00:52:15,201 --> 00:52:17,370 "Does this stuff really happen?" 1075 00:52:24,177 --> 00:52:29,983 ** 1076 00:52:30,850 --> 00:52:33,420 A year and a half into his investigation, 1077 00:52:33,453 --> 00:52:35,555 Prosecutor Nocerino had eliminated 1078 00:52:35,588 --> 00:52:37,791 every other person of interest 1079 00:52:37,824 --> 00:52:40,193 except for Patrizia Reggiani, 1080 00:52:40,226 --> 00:52:41,594 so in an effort to build 1081 00:52:41,628 --> 00:52:44,164 a circumstantial case against her, 1082 00:52:44,197 --> 00:52:47,167 his team had set up a surveillance operation 1083 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,236 and discovered Patrizia's curious friendship 1084 00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:54,541 with a woman named Pina Auriemma. 1085 00:52:54,574 --> 00:52:57,977 - Pina Auriemma had a role in Reggiani's life. 1086 00:52:58,011 --> 00:53:02,148 This bond was unusual, and we had to look at it deeper. 1087 00:53:02,182 --> 00:53:04,451 - Pina was a middleclass woman from Naples 1088 00:53:04,484 --> 00:53:07,921 in the south of Italy with no social pedigree, 1089 00:53:07,954 --> 00:53:09,389 not the sort of person 1090 00:53:09,422 --> 00:53:14,060 with whom a high society diva like Patrizia would associate. 1091 00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:16,796 They met on an island vacation and hit it off 1092 00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:20,700 when they discovered they actually had a lot in common 1093 00:53:20,734 --> 00:53:23,069 below the surface. 1094 00:53:23,069 --> 00:53:26,139 - That relationship kind of, you know, warmed and flourished 1095 00:53:26,172 --> 00:53:28,375 because they were in sort of-- 1096 00:53:28,408 --> 00:53:30,377 they were both kind of outsiders. 1097 00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:32,879 Pina became almost like a sister to her. 1098 00:53:32,912 --> 00:53:35,682 - Patrizia realized Pina had much to teach her 1099 00:53:35,715 --> 00:53:38,518 about making her way in the world as a woman. 1100 00:53:40,487 --> 00:53:43,490 - Reggiani wanted to be mentored by Pina. 1101 00:53:43,523 --> 00:53:46,926 Maybe she saw her like a wise woman, 1102 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,397 a woman who was an expert in life. 1103 00:53:50,430 --> 00:53:54,167 - Pina was there when Patrizia's second daughter was born, 1104 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,605 and Pina comforted Patrizia when Maurizio abandoned her. 1105 00:53:58,638 --> 00:54:02,342 Patrizia said in the moments of her deepest depression, 1106 00:54:02,375 --> 00:54:04,911 Pina was there, that she saved her life. 1107 00:54:04,944 --> 00:54:08,748 - It does say-- show you how close these two women were. 1108 00:54:08,782 --> 00:54:11,885 - But what did Pina get out of this relationship? 1109 00:54:11,918 --> 00:54:16,056 - I remember a photo of them at St. Maritz in the sleigh, 1110 00:54:16,056 --> 00:54:19,259 you know, piled high with furs and going up the mountain, 1111 00:54:19,292 --> 00:54:21,327 probably to have a-- a lunch or something, 1112 00:54:21,361 --> 00:54:25,799 so she had access to this kind of wealth and glamour 1113 00:54:25,832 --> 00:54:29,669 by virtue of her-her friendship with Patrizia. 1114 00:54:29,703 --> 00:54:32,839 - To investigators, the mere fact that Pina was from Naples 1115 00:54:32,872 --> 00:54:35,475 was in itself suspicious. 1116 00:54:35,508 --> 00:54:39,779 - There is a certain connotation and stereotype 1117 00:54:39,813 --> 00:54:42,449 that Italians of the North have 1118 00:54:42,482 --> 00:54:44,084 towards Italians of the South, 1119 00:54:44,084 --> 00:54:47,854 and particularly with people from the Naples area, 1120 00:54:47,887 --> 00:54:51,391 because of Naples' association with organized crime. 1121 00:54:51,424 --> 00:54:54,494 - But Nocerino found no criminal record or evidence 1122 00:54:54,527 --> 00:54:57,731 Pina Auriemma was anything but a solid citizen. 1123 00:54:57,764 --> 00:54:59,099 She had, coincidentally, 1124 00:54:59,099 --> 00:55:02,435 once even owned a Gucci store in Naples. 1125 00:55:02,469 --> 00:55:03,937 One thing was strange, though. 1126 00:55:04,037 --> 00:55:07,874 Maurizio and Patrizia were known to be a bit superstitious, 1127 00:55:07,907 --> 00:55:10,043 And in their social circles, 1128 00:55:10,076 --> 00:55:14,080 Pina was rumored to be some sort of psychic. 1129 00:55:14,114 --> 00:55:16,549 Andrea Morante heard Pina's name 1130 00:55:16,583 --> 00:55:19,953 when Maurizio wouldn't allow him to go on a business trip 1131 00:55:20,053 --> 00:55:23,056 because of a premonition she had. 1132 00:55:23,056 --> 00:55:26,059 - I had to fly to Hong Kong and he came to me and he said, 1133 00:55:26,092 --> 00:55:27,427 "I'm sorry. You cannot go. 1134 00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:30,263 "You cannot go. You cannot go. You can't fly to Hong Kong." 1135 00:55:30,296 --> 00:55:32,198 And I said, "But why? Why on Earth?" 1136 00:55:32,232 --> 00:55:34,801 And he said, "Pina-Pina said that, you know, 1137 00:55:34,834 --> 00:55:38,271 "maybe there is a problem on the plane." 1138 00:55:38,304 --> 00:55:40,907 - Maurizio clearly believed she had powers, 1139 00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:42,876 perhaps dark powers. 1140 00:55:42,909 --> 00:55:46,079 He told his girlfriend, Sheree, that Pina was the reason 1141 00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,815 it had taken him years to leave Patrizia, 1142 00:55:48,848 --> 00:55:51,284 even though he'd fallen out of love with her. 1143 00:55:51,317 --> 00:55:53,253 - He didn't want to go, 1144 00:55:53,286 --> 00:55:56,856 because he didn't want to be chased down by Pina. 1145 00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:59,426 - Sheree says that after Maurizio finally mustered up 1146 00:55:59,459 --> 00:56:01,061 the courage to leave, 1147 00:56:01,094 --> 00:56:05,031 he became convinced Patrizia was going to use Pina's powers 1148 00:56:05,031 --> 00:56:07,167 to exact revenge on him, 1149 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,437 like when one of "Creole's" masts suddenly fell 1150 00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:12,672 and broke through the ship's floor. 1151 00:56:12,706 --> 00:56:14,674 - So he believed that 1152 00:56:14,708 --> 00:56:17,510 that was part of Patrizia and Pina, 1153 00:56:17,544 --> 00:56:20,347 and we had the boat exorcised, 1154 00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:24,351 and he thought they were doing voodoo and-and... 1155 00:56:24,384 --> 00:56:26,853 spellcasting, and all kinds of crazy things, 1156 00:56:26,886 --> 00:56:29,889 and I thought it was a dramatic Italian. 1157 00:56:29,923 --> 00:56:32,058 I said, "You've gotta be kidding me. 1158 00:56:32,058 --> 00:56:34,527 "Does this stuff really happen?" 1159 00:56:34,561 --> 00:56:35,862 - Whether it did or not, 1160 00:56:35,895 --> 00:56:39,599 Maurizio clearly believed that Patrizia had it in for him 1161 00:56:39,632 --> 00:56:41,534 and claims she was even using tricks 1162 00:56:41,568 --> 00:56:43,436 she might have learned from Pina 1163 00:56:43,470 --> 00:56:46,072 to create havoc in his life. 1164 00:56:46,106 --> 00:56:49,209 - Maurizio told me a story that apparently she had a doll, 1165 00:56:49,242 --> 00:56:50,910 and she would stick pins, 1166 00:56:50,944 --> 00:56:53,079 and the doll was supposed to represent Maurizio. 1167 00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,115 - She was cursing him by poking it with pins. 1168 00:56:55,148 --> 00:56:57,417 - Yes, exactly. Exactly. 1169 00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:59,686 - So if Patrizia was the Black Widow, 1170 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,056 could it be that Pina was what the Italians would call 1171 00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:06,192 La Magia Negra, the Black Witch? 1172 00:57:06,226 --> 00:57:09,229 Nocerino wasn't interested in superstitions. 1173 00:57:09,262 --> 00:57:12,198 He just wanted to know more about her. 1174 00:57:12,232 --> 00:57:14,601 - Did you think Pina Auriemma was the key 1175 00:57:14,634 --> 00:57:16,670 to getting evidence that, perhaps, 1176 00:57:16,703 --> 00:57:20,440 could tie Patrizia Reggiani to Maurizio's murder? 1177 00:57:22,142 --> 00:57:23,877 - Yes, I did. 1178 00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:25,378 There's no doubt about that, 1179 00:57:25,412 --> 00:57:27,180 because Reggiani needed to be in contact 1180 00:57:27,213 --> 00:57:29,816 with people who were far from her world. 1181 00:57:29,849 --> 00:57:33,820 Auriemma was the perfect person from this point of view. 1182 00:57:33,853 --> 00:57:36,256 - But investigators still needed a break. 1183 00:57:36,289 --> 00:57:39,726 Patrizia, Pina, or someone close to them 1184 00:57:39,759 --> 00:57:43,830 would have to make a mistake, spill a secret, perhaps. 1185 00:57:43,863 --> 00:57:46,099 And then they got what they were hoping for 1186 00:57:46,132 --> 00:57:49,369 when the phone rang one night at police headquarters, 1187 00:57:49,402 --> 00:57:52,372 an anonymous voice on the other end of the line. 1188 00:57:52,405 --> 00:57:53,707 - Somebody just saying, 1189 00:57:53,740 --> 00:57:56,543 "I know who killed Maurizio Gucci." 1190 00:57:56,576 --> 00:57:59,379 - The investigation takes a dramatic turn 1191 00:57:59,412 --> 00:58:03,616 as a cast of unlikely murder suspects comes into focus. 1192 00:58:05,852 --> 00:58:07,487 - A little bit like a spy movie. 1193 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,556 - Well, as a matter of fact, he became a bit of a spy. 1194 00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:11,925 - A secret informant joins the case. 1195 00:58:12,025 --> 00:58:13,326 - He decided to call the police, 1196 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,095 and he met with the head of the crime unit 1197 00:58:15,128 --> 00:58:17,030 right here in this park in Milan 1198 00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:18,365 in the middle of the night. 1199 00:58:18,398 --> 00:58:20,834 - And he hears a stunning confession. 1200 00:58:20,867 --> 00:58:22,202 - The hotel clerk said, 1201 00:58:22,235 --> 00:58:26,139 "I was involved in the murder of Maurizio Gucci." 1202 00:58:33,212 --> 00:58:39,752 ** 1203 00:58:40,853 --> 00:58:44,523 Piazza Aspromonte, on the outskirts of Milan's old city, 1204 00:58:44,556 --> 00:58:47,760 is just a couple of miles from the fashion district 1205 00:58:47,793 --> 00:58:50,462 where Maurizio Gucci was killed, 1206 00:58:50,496 --> 00:58:53,899 but it is actually a world away. 1207 00:58:53,932 --> 00:58:57,269 Here, the poor, gritty streets and urban parks 1208 00:58:57,302 --> 00:59:02,007 harbor shadowy characters hatching shady plots. 1209 00:59:02,041 --> 00:59:04,443 It's a place where secrets are kept 1210 00:59:04,476 --> 00:59:08,047 or sometimes unexpectedly revealed. 1211 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,715 - It's a seedy part of Milan. - Um-hmm. 1212 00:59:09,748 --> 00:59:11,850 - It's dotted with one-star hotels, 1213 00:59:11,884 --> 00:59:13,819 and it's in one of these hotels, 1214 00:59:13,852 --> 00:59:15,387 this one right behind us, 1215 00:59:15,421 --> 00:59:18,857 that a big break in the investigation took place. 1216 00:59:18,891 --> 00:59:20,359 - So what finally was it? 1217 00:59:20,392 --> 00:59:22,061 - Well, there was a guest, uh, 1218 00:59:22,094 --> 00:59:24,129 who befriended the hotel clerk, 1219 00:59:24,163 --> 00:59:27,466 and this guest claimed to be a bigshot drug dealer 1220 00:59:27,499 --> 00:59:28,901 from South America. - Hmm. 1221 00:59:28,934 --> 00:59:31,704 - And the hotel clerk said, "Oh, you think you're a bigshot? 1222 00:59:31,737 --> 00:59:35,207 "Well, I was involved in the murder of Maurizio Gucci." 1223 00:59:36,709 --> 00:59:38,711 - Unfortunately for the hotel clerk, 1224 00:59:38,744 --> 00:59:40,212 he was showing off to a man 1225 00:59:40,245 --> 00:59:43,048 who was lying about who he really was, 1226 00:59:43,048 --> 00:59:45,050 which was a nobody. 1227 00:59:45,050 --> 00:59:47,119 - He was just a guy who was broke, 1228 00:59:47,152 --> 00:59:48,587 and he got scared when he heard about 1229 00:59:48,620 --> 00:59:51,690 the hotel clerk's involvement in the Gucci murder, 1230 00:59:51,724 --> 00:59:53,325 so he decided to call the police, 1231 00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,127 and he met with the head of the crime unit 1232 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,062 right here in this park in Milan 1233 00:59:57,096 --> 00:59:58,130 in the middle of the night. 1234 00:59:58,163 --> 00:59:59,732 - A little bit like a spy movie. 1235 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,500 - Well, as a matter of fact, he became a bit of a spy, 1236 01:00:01,533 --> 01:00:03,369 because he agreed to wear a wire 1237 01:00:03,402 --> 01:00:05,771 so the police could find the evidence 1238 01:00:05,804 --> 01:00:09,775 that the hotel clerk was involved in the Gucci murder. 1239 01:00:09,808 --> 01:00:12,845 - The hotel clerk unwittingly introduced the informant 1240 01:00:12,878 --> 01:00:15,214 to his alleged accomplices, 1241 01:00:15,247 --> 01:00:18,484 a retired pizzeria owner and a former mechanic, 1242 01:00:18,517 --> 01:00:21,854 hardly the sort of people who commit assassinations. 1243 01:00:21,887 --> 01:00:25,491 Police started surveilling the gang 24/7. 1244 01:00:25,524 --> 01:00:28,360 As investigators listened over the next few days, 1245 01:00:28,394 --> 01:00:30,062 the informants' recordings revealed 1246 01:00:30,095 --> 01:00:33,399 details of the plot to kill Maurizio. 1247 01:00:33,432 --> 01:00:36,368 The pizzeria owner had done much of the planning. 1248 01:00:36,402 --> 01:00:37,970 First, he collected information 1249 01:00:38,003 --> 01:00:41,140 about Maurizio's daily comings and goings. 1250 01:00:41,173 --> 01:00:43,642 Then he secured the getaway car 1251 01:00:43,676 --> 01:00:46,979 and planned the escape route. 1252 01:00:47,012 --> 01:00:48,213 On the day of the murder, 1253 01:00:48,247 --> 01:00:50,649 the former mechanic joined him. 1254 01:00:50,683 --> 01:00:54,219 They drove to Via Palestro and waited in the car 1255 01:00:54,253 --> 01:00:58,957 until they saw Maurizio walking toward his office building. 1256 01:00:58,991 --> 01:01:02,061 That's when the former mechanic got out of the car 1257 01:01:02,061 --> 01:01:04,463 and stood by the building's entrance, 1258 01:01:04,496 --> 01:01:07,466 pretending to look at the address number. 1259 01:01:07,499 --> 01:01:11,070 When Maurizio passed him, he sneaked up from behind 1260 01:01:11,103 --> 01:01:13,339 and pumped him full of bullets. 1261 01:01:17,943 --> 01:01:20,946 - We were focusing our attention on these characters, 1262 01:01:20,979 --> 01:01:23,749 and thanks to these wiretaps, we established that they were 1263 01:01:23,782 --> 01:01:27,586 responsible for the murder of Maurizio Gucci. 1264 01:01:27,619 --> 01:01:29,688 - And who put them all up to it? 1265 01:01:29,722 --> 01:01:31,757 Nocerino heard it loud and clear 1266 01:01:31,790 --> 01:01:33,592 through the informant's mic, 1267 01:01:33,625 --> 01:01:36,595 the name he'd been waiting to hear: 1268 01:01:36,628 --> 01:01:40,933 Patrizia Reggiani. 1269 01:01:40,966 --> 01:01:43,969 - When you hear that moment in the wiretapped conversations, 1270 01:01:44,003 --> 01:01:47,539 was it like, we've got it! 1271 01:01:47,573 --> 01:01:51,377 - More or less, but without cheering. 1272 01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:53,312 - The hotel clerk told the informant 1273 01:01:53,345 --> 01:01:56,882 Reggiani paid about $90,000 in advance, 1274 01:01:56,915 --> 01:02:00,919 and $276,000 after the murder, 1275 01:02:00,953 --> 01:02:03,722 but when this unlikely gang read in the papers 1276 01:02:03,756 --> 01:02:07,693 about all the millions Patrizia and her daughters inherited, 1277 01:02:07,726 --> 01:02:10,863 they got greedy and demanded more. 1278 01:02:10,896 --> 01:02:12,531 - And so they're very angry, 1279 01:02:12,564 --> 01:02:14,700 and they're tape-recorded moaning about this 1280 01:02:14,733 --> 01:02:15,901 and trying to come up with a plot 1281 01:02:15,934 --> 01:02:18,804 of how to get this money back from Patrizia 1282 01:02:18,837 --> 01:02:21,907 and blackmail her. 1283 01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:24,743 - So police now know who the whole gang is, 1284 01:02:24,777 --> 01:02:26,679 and they have them all under surveillance. 1285 01:02:26,712 --> 01:02:29,948 They even managed to wiretap the hotel clerk's car. 1286 01:02:29,982 --> 01:02:32,685 - They did, and guess who they caught in that car 1287 01:02:32,718 --> 01:02:35,554 speaking to the hotel clerk about the murder 1288 01:02:35,587 --> 01:02:38,757 and about asking Patrizia for more money? 1289 01:02:38,791 --> 01:02:41,794 None other than Pina Auriemma, 1290 01:02:41,827 --> 01:02:44,930 Patrizia's confidant. 1291 01:02:44,963 --> 01:02:47,466 - That's right. Patrizia's old friend 1292 01:02:47,499 --> 01:02:50,569 was somehow in cahoots with the hit squad 1293 01:02:50,602 --> 01:02:52,938 and was now trying to extort her. 1294 01:02:52,971 --> 01:02:55,407 So they're all having these conversations openly 1295 01:02:55,441 --> 01:02:58,944 about trying to blackmail Patrizia for more money. 1296 01:03:01,046 --> 01:03:04,049 - Yes, but they didn't speak only about this request. 1297 01:03:04,049 --> 01:03:06,318 They also spoke about what they did. 1298 01:03:06,352 --> 01:03:07,720 - And that was enough evidence then. 1299 01:03:07,753 --> 01:03:10,322 You had plenty of evidence just in those wiretaps. 1300 01:03:12,825 --> 01:03:14,093 - Yes, we did. 1301 01:03:14,126 --> 01:03:16,862 We had an abundance of evidence. 1302 01:03:19,264 --> 01:03:22,267 - On January 31, 1997, 1303 01:03:22,301 --> 01:03:25,804 almost two years after Maurizio's death, 1304 01:03:25,838 --> 01:03:29,241 police moved in to arrest the entire motley crew... 1305 01:03:30,242 --> 01:03:31,377 and what happened when 1306 01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:34,813 they showed up on Patrizia's doorstep was surreal. 1307 01:03:34,847 --> 01:03:36,482 - She goes upstairs. 1308 01:03:36,515 --> 01:03:39,451 She comes back, and she's wearing full makeup, 1309 01:03:39,485 --> 01:03:42,921 gold jewelry, and a floor-length fur coat. 1310 01:03:42,955 --> 01:03:45,124 - She was just going to put up a face, 1311 01:03:45,157 --> 01:03:47,860 which was the rich, untouchable woman. 1312 01:03:47,893 --> 01:03:50,095 That was probably the first place 1313 01:03:50,129 --> 01:03:52,398 that she went to in her mind, saying, 1314 01:03:52,431 --> 01:03:54,767 "This can't be happening to me. 1315 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,902 "Do you know who I am?" 1316 01:03:56,935 --> 01:03:59,405 - As Patrizia was booked at the police station, 1317 01:03:59,438 --> 01:04:02,408 her mother persuaded her to change her clothes. 1318 01:04:02,441 --> 01:04:04,943 By then, the press had gotten word of the arrest 1319 01:04:05,044 --> 01:04:09,114 and captured every second as she was led away to jail. 1320 01:04:09,148 --> 01:04:10,516 - It was, "Here I am. 1321 01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:12,551 "I'm Senora Gucci and-and, you know, 1322 01:04:12,584 --> 01:04:13,786 "if you're going to take me down, 1323 01:04:13,819 --> 01:04:17,690 "I'm going to go down fighting and with my head held high." 1324 01:04:17,723 --> 01:04:19,825 - Prosecutor Nocerino was determined 1325 01:04:19,858 --> 01:04:22,261 that this untouchable woman 1326 01:04:22,294 --> 01:04:25,130 feel the full extent of the law, 1327 01:04:25,164 --> 01:04:28,701 but he also knew the case was far from over. 1328 01:04:28,734 --> 01:04:31,670 The trial would be a media circus, 1329 01:04:31,704 --> 01:04:34,340 and this Black Widow's fate 1330 01:04:34,373 --> 01:04:38,610 could come down to the testimony of the Black Witch. 1331 01:04:38,644 --> 01:04:41,547 Pina Auriemma was about to take the stand. 1332 01:04:45,851 --> 01:04:48,454 - This was the trial of the century in Milan. 1333 01:04:48,487 --> 01:04:51,957 The prosecutor lays out his case, the tape recordings, 1334 01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:55,561 a revealing diary, and a surprising star witness 1335 01:04:55,594 --> 01:04:58,397 ready to turn the tables. 1336 01:05:05,170 --> 01:05:10,042 ** 1337 01:05:10,342 --> 01:05:11,210 Welcome back. 1338 01:05:11,243 --> 01:05:13,545 Patrizia Gucci was headed to trial 1339 01:05:13,579 --> 01:05:16,715 for the murder of her ex-husband, Maurizio. 1340 01:05:16,749 --> 01:05:18,951 With the help of a secret informant, 1341 01:05:19,051 --> 01:05:22,554 investigators identified the gang Patrizia allegedly 1342 01:05:22,588 --> 01:05:25,524 hired to assassinate Maurizio, 1343 01:05:25,557 --> 01:05:29,561 including the shadowy figure known as the Black Witch. 1344 01:05:29,595 --> 01:05:32,164 Once Patrizia's closest confidant, 1345 01:05:32,197 --> 01:05:35,501 she was about to testify for the prosecution 1346 01:05:35,534 --> 01:05:37,803 and weave a mesmerizing tale 1347 01:05:37,836 --> 01:05:40,506 of a ruthless woman scorned. 1348 01:05:40,539 --> 01:05:42,141 Here again is Natalie Morales 1349 01:05:42,174 --> 01:05:45,511 with "Murder in the House of Gucci". 1350 01:05:45,544 --> 01:05:48,080 - Wow, so this is the actual courtroom right here. 1351 01:05:48,113 --> 01:05:51,083 - This is it, the courtroom where the trial took place. 1352 01:05:51,083 --> 01:05:52,217 And let me show you a couple of things 1353 01:05:52,251 --> 01:05:54,386 that may be different from an American courtroom, 1354 01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:57,589 especially during murder trials. 1355 01:05:57,623 --> 01:05:58,857 One of them is this. 1356 01:05:58,891 --> 01:06:01,026 - The cage? Wow! - It's the cage. 1357 01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:04,530 This is where defendants in a murder trial watch the trial. 1358 01:06:04,563 --> 01:06:07,266 In this particular case, it was the accused killer 1359 01:06:07,299 --> 01:06:09,435 and the accused getaway driver. 1360 01:06:09,468 --> 01:06:10,869 There's another thing that may be different 1361 01:06:10,903 --> 01:06:12,805 that you may notice something missing, maybe? 1362 01:06:12,838 --> 01:06:15,474 - The jury. Where do they sit? - That's right. 1363 01:06:15,507 --> 01:06:17,676 So there's-- During murder trials here in Italy, 1364 01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:20,179 there's two judges and six jurors. 1365 01:06:20,212 --> 01:06:25,517 They sit just right here, and they decide together. 1366 01:06:25,551 --> 01:06:27,820 - As equals, all together. - As equals. As equals. 1367 01:06:27,853 --> 01:06:29,254 - That's so interesting. 1368 01:06:29,288 --> 01:06:32,725 After a two-year investigation into Maurizio Gucci's murder, 1369 01:06:32,758 --> 01:06:34,493 Prosecutor Carlo Nocerino 1370 01:06:34,526 --> 01:06:37,396 was about to try the case of a lifetime. 1371 01:06:37,429 --> 01:06:40,065 - This was the trial of the century in Milan. 1372 01:06:40,099 --> 01:06:43,202 - Nocerino came to court armed with wiretap recordings 1373 01:06:43,235 --> 01:06:45,070 and surveillance footage. 1374 01:06:45,070 --> 01:06:47,539 He also had a slew of star witnesses, 1375 01:06:47,573 --> 01:06:52,344 including almost all of Patrizia's alleged accomplices. 1376 01:06:52,378 --> 01:06:54,880 Patrizia and the gang were tried together, 1377 01:06:54,913 --> 01:06:58,283 but the hotel clerk and the pizzeria owner had confessed 1378 01:06:58,317 --> 01:07:02,087 and agreed to testify for the prosecution. 1379 01:07:02,121 --> 01:07:04,590 The pizzeria owner turned getaway driver 1380 01:07:04,623 --> 01:07:07,292 told the jury that Patrizia met him 1381 01:07:07,326 --> 01:07:10,529 to make sure he went through with the murder plot. 1382 01:07:10,562 --> 01:07:11,797 - He said, "Well, I'm worried, 1383 01:07:11,830 --> 01:07:13,399 "because what if they catch me?" 1384 01:07:13,432 --> 01:07:15,834 And that's when Patrizia said, "Don't worry about that. 1385 01:07:15,868 --> 01:07:17,736 "I'm going to give you enough money for you, 1386 01:07:17,770 --> 01:07:20,239 "your children, your children's children, 1387 01:07:20,272 --> 01:07:21,306 "and if they catch you, 1388 01:07:21,340 --> 01:07:23,842 "I'm going to pay for your cell with gold. 1389 01:07:23,876 --> 01:07:25,911 - So that's when he decided to go forward with it. 1390 01:07:25,944 --> 01:07:27,846 - That's it. That's when he decided that 1391 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,716 that was the time to do it. - So there it was: 1392 01:07:30,749 --> 01:07:34,153 Patrizia's direct connection to the murder plot. 1393 01:07:34,186 --> 01:07:37,056 But don't take the pizzeria owner's words for it, 1394 01:07:37,056 --> 01:07:38,724 the prosecutor told the jury, 1395 01:07:38,757 --> 01:07:40,959 take Patrizia Reggiani's. 1396 01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:43,095 She had incriminated herself 1397 01:07:43,128 --> 01:07:45,831 by keeping a detailed record of her thoughts 1398 01:07:45,864 --> 01:07:49,802 in, of all things, a Cartier diary. 1399 01:07:49,835 --> 01:07:52,471 - One of the things that she wrote in her diary 1400 01:07:52,504 --> 01:07:55,974 is a sentence that would later come to haunt her. 1401 01:07:56,075 --> 01:07:58,544 "There are no crimes that money can't buy." 1402 01:07:58,577 --> 01:08:01,146 - And to top it off, Nocerino turned the diary 1403 01:08:01,180 --> 01:08:04,516 to the date Maurizio was shot in cold blood. 1404 01:08:04,550 --> 01:08:08,854 There on the page, a single word: Paradise. 1405 01:08:08,887 --> 01:08:10,222 - That says it all. 1406 01:08:10,255 --> 01:08:12,891 - It's practically an admission of guilt. 1407 01:08:12,925 --> 01:08:16,028 - Then the prosecution went for the coup de grâce, 1408 01:08:16,061 --> 01:08:19,865 calling Patrizia's best friend and confidante, Pina Auriemma, 1409 01:08:19,898 --> 01:08:21,233 to the stand. 1410 01:08:21,266 --> 01:08:24,403 She'd been silent for more than a year since her arrest, 1411 01:08:24,436 --> 01:08:26,171 but shortly before the trial, 1412 01:08:26,205 --> 01:08:30,609 she told investigators she was ready to talk, 1413 01:08:30,642 --> 01:08:32,244 and, of course, the Italian press 1414 01:08:32,277 --> 01:08:36,048 was falling all over itself to cover the confrontation 1415 01:08:36,048 --> 01:08:38,317 between the alleged murder mastermind 1416 01:08:38,350 --> 01:08:40,452 and the reputed psychic, 1417 01:08:40,486 --> 01:08:44,189 the Black Widow versus the Black Witch. 1418 01:08:44,223 --> 01:08:47,292 - When I was on the stand face to face with Patrizia, 1419 01:08:47,326 --> 01:08:49,194 I wasn't emotional at all. 1420 01:08:49,228 --> 01:08:50,829 I mean, because in that moment, 1421 01:08:50,863 --> 01:08:52,698 I was only telling them the truth. 1422 01:08:52,731 --> 01:08:56,368 I didn't lie, and I admitted my faults and my frailties. 1423 01:08:56,402 --> 01:08:57,836 - This is Pina, 1424 01:08:57,870 --> 01:09:01,006 more than two decades after she betrayed the woman 1425 01:09:01,006 --> 01:09:04,643 who had entrusted her with all of her deepest secrets. 1426 01:09:04,677 --> 01:09:08,147 - Why do you think she trusted you? 1427 01:09:08,180 --> 01:09:09,314 - Because it wasn't like 1428 01:09:09,348 --> 01:09:11,917 I was part of the wealthy millionaire's world, 1429 01:09:12,017 --> 01:09:13,485 so I couldn't talk. 1430 01:09:13,519 --> 01:09:16,655 Who could I tell her secrets to? The wall? 1431 01:09:16,689 --> 01:09:18,123 So having a friend in Naples, 1432 01:09:18,157 --> 01:09:19,758 and being able to tell her everything 1433 01:09:19,792 --> 01:09:24,129 without anyone later knowing was a big advantage for her. 1434 01:09:24,163 --> 01:09:28,033 This is why she told me everything. 1435 01:09:28,067 --> 01:09:31,603 - Pina said that Patrizia first thought of murdering Maurizio 1436 01:09:31,637 --> 01:09:35,374 when she realized he had fallen in love with Paola Franchi 1437 01:09:35,407 --> 01:09:39,378 and was thinking of marrying her. 1438 01:09:39,411 --> 01:09:41,914 - She was in pain, but what I realized 1439 01:09:41,947 --> 01:09:45,651 was that she was more sad and sorry about losing her name. 1440 01:09:45,684 --> 01:09:48,587 - So she didn't cry tears because she lost her husband. 1441 01:09:48,620 --> 01:09:51,557 It was more she was enraged and mad 1442 01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:54,059 because she was losing the Gucci name 1443 01:09:54,059 --> 01:09:56,795 and the power of being a Gucci? 1444 01:09:56,829 --> 01:10:00,866 - Of course. That was what triggered her. 1445 01:10:00,899 --> 01:10:03,969 - And Pina testified that's what led Patrizia to ask her 1446 01:10:04,003 --> 01:10:06,305 to look for a trigger man. 1447 01:10:06,338 --> 01:10:09,508 - And why would you do that for her? 1448 01:10:09,541 --> 01:10:12,344 - Listen, it was absolutely not my intention 1449 01:10:12,378 --> 01:10:14,079 to do such a thing. 1450 01:10:14,113 --> 01:10:15,848 I knew how stubborn she was, 1451 01:10:15,881 --> 01:10:18,617 so I thought I would introduce her to some people I knew 1452 01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:21,587 who were not capable of ever killing someone 1453 01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:26,625 but who certainly were capable of making money off of her. 1454 01:10:26,658 --> 01:10:29,595 - Pina claimed the murder for hire plan she cooked up 1455 01:10:29,628 --> 01:10:31,397 was just a scam, 1456 01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:34,967 a double-cross designed to take Patrizia's money, 1457 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,835 not to kill anyone. 1458 01:10:36,869 --> 01:10:40,706 Pina recruited the hotel clerk for one simple reason: 1459 01:10:40,739 --> 01:10:44,076 he was the only other person she knew in Milan, 1460 01:10:44,109 --> 01:10:47,312 and someone who would never commit murder. 1461 01:10:47,346 --> 01:10:50,049 - He was not a criminal. He wasn't a delinquent. 1462 01:10:50,082 --> 01:10:52,418 I mean, he has never seen a gun. 1463 01:10:52,451 --> 01:10:54,987 His aim was only to trick her. 1464 01:10:55,020 --> 01:10:58,057 We were always hoping that this idea of killing Maurizio 1465 01:10:58,090 --> 01:11:00,693 would disappear from her mind. 1466 01:11:00,726 --> 01:11:03,595 - So the hotel clerk went to the pizzeria owner 1467 01:11:03,629 --> 01:11:06,365 who needed the money to repay his gambling debts. 1468 01:11:06,398 --> 01:11:07,800 But then the pizzeria owner 1469 01:11:07,833 --> 01:11:10,803 went to the only small-time criminal he knew, 1470 01:11:10,836 --> 01:11:13,439 the former mechanic, who got a gun. 1471 01:11:13,472 --> 01:11:15,708 It was at that point, according to Pina, 1472 01:11:15,741 --> 01:11:18,077 that Patrizia, who was getting impatient, 1473 01:11:18,077 --> 01:11:20,713 went behind her back to meet the gang. 1474 01:11:20,746 --> 01:11:26,085 The would-be scam took a horribly wrong turn. 1475 01:11:26,085 --> 01:11:28,787 - So she took me totally out of the picture. 1476 01:11:28,821 --> 01:11:30,689 I do not know what she promised these people 1477 01:11:30,723 --> 01:11:32,658 to commit this heinous crime. 1478 01:11:32,691 --> 01:11:34,093 - And that's how Pina claimed 1479 01:11:34,093 --> 01:11:36,095 to be completely out of the loop 1480 01:11:36,128 --> 01:11:38,163 when Maurizio was killed. 1481 01:11:38,197 --> 01:11:41,100 - But after the murder happened, 1482 01:11:41,133 --> 01:11:44,536 then you went to pay them. Is that right? 1483 01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:46,438 - Yes, I did. 1484 01:11:46,472 --> 01:11:48,107 I was weak once again with her, 1485 01:11:48,107 --> 01:11:49,541 like I always was with her, 1486 01:11:49,575 --> 01:11:51,110 and the people needed to be paid, 1487 01:11:51,143 --> 01:11:53,645 and she made me give these people their money, 1488 01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:55,681 and I did that, like an idiot. 1489 01:11:55,714 --> 01:11:58,217 I was the intermediary. 1490 01:11:58,250 --> 01:12:01,487 - Prosecutor Nocerino knew that putting Pina on the stand 1491 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:02,755 was a gamble. 1492 01:12:02,788 --> 01:12:05,824 Her somewhat strange story would give the defense 1493 01:12:05,858 --> 01:12:08,060 a chance to attack her credibility 1494 01:12:08,093 --> 01:12:11,196 and blame her for the murder. 1495 01:12:11,230 --> 01:12:14,066 - Reggiani was the instigator, the one who had to pay, 1496 01:12:14,099 --> 01:12:16,568 but Auriemma never stepped back. 1497 01:12:16,602 --> 01:12:18,971 There wasn't a point where she said, "I quit." 1498 01:12:19,071 --> 01:12:20,773 - So she probably knew about it. 1499 01:12:20,806 --> 01:12:23,876 She wasn't sure if they would go through with it, though. 1500 01:12:23,909 --> 01:12:26,078 - She knew almost everything. 1501 01:12:26,078 --> 01:12:28,080 She didn't know what the exact moment would be, 1502 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,316 but she knew that they were going to do it. 1503 01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:34,119 - Did Pina know much more than she let on? 1504 01:12:34,153 --> 01:12:37,222 Was she actually the brains behind the murder? 1505 01:12:37,256 --> 01:12:40,092 It was the question Patrizia's defense team 1506 01:12:40,092 --> 01:12:41,694 couldn't wait to ask. 1507 01:12:44,897 --> 01:12:47,166 - The most dramatic moment of the trial: 1508 01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,968 The accused ex-wife takes the stand. 1509 01:12:50,002 --> 01:12:53,605 - When you confronted her, did she seem shaken at all? 1510 01:12:53,639 --> 01:12:55,007 Nervous? - No. 1511 01:12:55,107 --> 01:12:56,508 - Everybody wanted to hear. 1512 01:12:56,542 --> 01:12:58,510 Like, what was she gonna say? 1513 01:13:12,691 --> 01:13:15,127 Pina Auriemma had just told the court the strange story 1514 01:13:16,061 --> 01:13:19,064 of her participation in Maurizio's murder. 1515 01:13:19,098 --> 01:13:22,234 Now it was the defense's turn to question her, 1516 01:13:22,267 --> 01:13:24,837 and they wasted no time. 1517 01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:28,340 Pina didn't just know about the murder, they charged, 1518 01:13:28,374 --> 01:13:32,077 she was the brains behind it, not Patrizia. 1519 01:13:32,111 --> 01:13:35,881 Gaetano Pecorella was one of Patrizia's defense lawyers. 1520 01:13:35,914 --> 01:13:38,817 - Auriemma was the one who took matters into her hands 1521 01:13:38,851 --> 01:13:40,652 and organized the murder, 1522 01:13:40,686 --> 01:13:43,088 and then had gone back to Mrs. Gucci saying, 1523 01:13:43,122 --> 01:13:45,391 "Now you have to pay, because otherwise, 1524 01:13:45,424 --> 01:13:46,792 "you'll get into trouble, 1525 01:13:46,825 --> 01:13:50,863 "as we did what you had gone around asking should be done." 1526 01:13:50,896 --> 01:13:52,431 - So it seemed, for the defense, 1527 01:13:52,464 --> 01:13:55,801 the strategy was to put the blame squarely on Pina. 1528 01:13:55,834 --> 01:13:57,770 - Now that's right. In fact, during the trial, 1529 01:13:57,803 --> 01:14:00,039 they presented a letter written by Patrizia 1530 01:14:00,072 --> 01:14:02,841 before she got arrested in which she wrote, 1531 01:14:02,875 --> 01:14:05,811 "If you're looking for who murdered Maurizio, 1532 01:14:05,844 --> 01:14:09,815 "it was Pina Auriemma, and then she blackmailed me." 1533 01:14:09,848 --> 01:14:12,651 - In fact, the pizzeria owner supported that idea 1534 01:14:12,685 --> 01:14:15,788 when he testified that on the day before the murder, 1535 01:14:15,821 --> 01:14:17,956 he'd received a call from Pina 1536 01:14:18,057 --> 01:14:20,359 who told him that Maurizio had returned to Milan 1537 01:14:20,392 --> 01:14:21,927 from a business trip. 1538 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:26,165 The defense argued the call set the stage for the murder. 1539 01:14:26,198 --> 01:14:27,533 The defense also brought up 1540 01:14:27,566 --> 01:14:30,336 the rumors about Pina's psychic abilities 1541 01:14:30,369 --> 01:14:34,873 and charged she used them to control Patrizia. 1542 01:14:34,907 --> 01:14:38,544 - Mrs. Auriemma was considered a clairvoyant, and advisor. 1543 01:14:38,577 --> 01:14:41,613 Mrs. Auriemma had a relationship of this kind with Gucci, 1544 01:14:41,647 --> 01:14:45,317 and she had a very strong friendship with Mrs. Reggiani, 1545 01:14:45,351 --> 01:14:49,621 over whom, I believe, she exercised a lot of control. 1546 01:14:49,655 --> 01:14:50,689 - But on the stand, 1547 01:14:50,723 --> 01:14:53,525 Pina denied that she controlled Patrizia 1548 01:14:53,559 --> 01:14:55,394 or that she saw the future. 1549 01:14:55,427 --> 01:14:57,763 After all, if she could see the future, 1550 01:14:57,796 --> 01:15:03,035 wouldn't she have avoided being put on trial for murder? 1551 01:15:03,068 --> 01:15:05,337 - It is absolutely not true. 1552 01:15:05,371 --> 01:15:07,239 I do not even believe in these kinds of things, 1553 01:15:07,272 --> 01:15:09,108 because they are totally nonsense. 1554 01:15:09,141 --> 01:15:10,776 I would have been a bad card reader, 1555 01:15:10,809 --> 01:15:15,180 because I should have at least predicted our arrest, no? 1556 01:15:15,214 --> 01:15:16,482 - After Pina stepped down, 1557 01:15:16,515 --> 01:15:19,251 Attorney Pecorella continued the defense case 1558 01:15:19,284 --> 01:15:22,221 with his own strange admission. 1559 01:15:22,254 --> 01:15:23,489 It's true, he said, 1560 01:15:23,522 --> 01:15:26,492 Patrizia Reggiani had been asking people around town 1561 01:15:26,525 --> 01:15:28,060 to kill Maurizio, 1562 01:15:28,060 --> 01:15:30,763 but that's only because she wasn't in her right mind 1563 01:15:30,796 --> 01:15:32,264 at the time. 1564 01:15:32,297 --> 01:15:35,467 - Now you remember the brain tumor Patrizia had? 1565 01:15:35,501 --> 01:15:37,369 Well, the defense was making a big deal out of that. 1566 01:15:37,403 --> 01:15:38,771 - Why? - Well, because they said 1567 01:15:38,804 --> 01:15:41,573 that the brain tumor was clouding her judgement 1568 01:15:41,607 --> 01:15:44,543 and kind of affected the-- what she was talking about 1569 01:15:44,576 --> 01:15:46,879 when she was going around telling everybody 1570 01:15:46,912 --> 01:15:49,081 she wanted someone to kill her husband. 1571 01:15:49,114 --> 01:15:51,150 - So the personality disorder defense. 1572 01:15:51,183 --> 01:15:53,952 - That's right. - So basically saying 1573 01:15:53,986 --> 01:15:56,689 that she was going around town saying all of this, 1574 01:15:56,722 --> 01:15:59,591 but she didn't really mean it. 1575 01:15:59,625 --> 01:16:02,027 - The court ordered Patrizia to be evaluated 1576 01:16:02,027 --> 01:16:04,329 by a panel of psychiatrists. 1577 01:16:04,363 --> 01:16:06,865 - And they found that she wasn't crazy at all, 1578 01:16:06,899 --> 01:16:08,167 but that she had something called 1579 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,803 a narcissistic personality disorder. 1580 01:16:10,836 --> 01:16:12,604 and the effect of this 1581 01:16:12,638 --> 01:16:15,341 was that if anything happened to her, 1582 01:16:15,374 --> 01:16:18,544 she experienced it and interpreted it 1583 01:16:18,577 --> 01:16:22,081 as a personal attack. 1584 01:16:22,114 --> 01:16:23,649 - So it didn't come as a surprise 1585 01:16:23,682 --> 01:16:27,286 when Patrizia took the stand in her own defense. 1586 01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:31,724 It was the moment all Milan, all of Italy, had waited for. 1587 01:16:31,757 --> 01:16:34,426 - Everybody was in-in the courtroom that day, 1588 01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:37,096 and everybody wanted to hear like, what was she-- 1589 01:16:37,129 --> 01:16:38,364 what was she going to say? 1590 01:16:38,397 --> 01:16:40,799 How was she going to come across? 1591 01:16:40,833 --> 01:16:42,067 - Patrizia testified 1592 01:16:42,067 --> 01:16:44,937 that it was Pina who organized Maurizio's murder 1593 01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:46,372 behind her back. 1594 01:16:46,405 --> 01:16:48,941 She said she was afraid to go to police 1595 01:16:48,974 --> 01:16:51,577 when Pina's blackmailing started. 1596 01:16:51,610 --> 01:16:54,680 After all, the hitman had assassinated Maurizio 1597 01:16:54,713 --> 01:16:57,683 on a busy Milan street in broad daylight. 1598 01:16:57,716 --> 01:16:59,118 What would they do to her, 1599 01:16:59,151 --> 01:17:04,623 or worse, her daughters, if she didn't cooperate? 1600 01:17:04,656 --> 01:17:07,092 - You know, she was very cool. 1601 01:17:07,126 --> 01:17:10,129 She was wearing a-a lemon-colored suit. 1602 01:17:10,162 --> 01:17:11,330 She looked-- she looked good, 1603 01:17:11,363 --> 01:17:13,532 considering that she had been in jail for months 1604 01:17:13,565 --> 01:17:15,868 and under a tremendous amount of pressure, 1605 01:17:15,901 --> 01:17:19,438 but she executed her testimony very well. 1606 01:17:19,471 --> 01:17:23,042 - Now it was time for Nocerino's cross examination. 1607 01:17:23,042 --> 01:17:24,843 Could he rattle Patrizia? 1608 01:17:24,877 --> 01:17:27,346 - When you confronted her with the information 1609 01:17:27,379 --> 01:17:31,550 that you had gathered, did she seem shaken at all? 1610 01:17:31,583 --> 01:17:34,553 Nervous? - No. 1611 01:17:34,586 --> 01:17:36,488 She wasn't nervous at all. 1612 01:17:36,522 --> 01:17:37,790 She was very controlled, 1613 01:17:37,823 --> 01:17:40,092 and she answered the questions with confidence, 1614 01:17:40,125 --> 01:17:41,627 even the more insidious questions, 1615 01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:43,062 like what she wrote in her diary 1616 01:17:43,095 --> 01:17:45,064 that day that Gucci was killed. 1617 01:17:45,064 --> 01:17:47,566 - How did she explain that diary entry, though? 1618 01:17:47,599 --> 01:17:49,501 I mean, writing "paradise" 1619 01:17:49,535 --> 01:17:54,707 right after learning that your husband is dead? 1620 01:17:54,740 --> 01:17:56,909 - That it was a liberation for her, 1621 01:17:56,942 --> 01:17:58,444 because she was constantly thinking 1622 01:17:58,477 --> 01:18:00,612 about all the bad things that he did to her, 1623 01:18:00,646 --> 01:18:01,714 about the broken marriage, 1624 01:18:01,747 --> 01:18:04,283 about the fact that he left the family. 1625 01:18:04,316 --> 01:18:05,484 - At the root of it all, 1626 01:18:05,517 --> 01:18:08,854 Nocerino told the jury in his closing arguments, 1627 01:18:08,887 --> 01:18:12,725 Mauricio's cold-blooded murder may simply have been 1628 01:18:12,758 --> 01:18:18,764 the revenge of a woman whose self-image he shattered. 1629 01:18:18,797 --> 01:18:22,301 - It was the resentment of a woman with wounded pride, 1630 01:18:22,334 --> 01:18:25,237 so there was a very strong component of resentment 1631 01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:28,040 which goes beyond money. 1632 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,341 - After a five-month trial 1633 01:18:29,375 --> 01:18:32,111 that captivated the entire country, 1634 01:18:32,144 --> 01:18:33,912 the prosecution and the defense 1635 01:18:33,946 --> 01:18:36,115 finally left it up to the jury. 1636 01:18:36,148 --> 01:18:40,586 Would they believe the Black Widow or the Black Witch? 1637 01:18:40,619 --> 01:18:42,688 All of Italy held its breath. 1638 01:18:45,691 --> 01:18:47,960 - Was she the femme fatale? Maybe. 1639 01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:50,562 - The verdicts are rendered, all of them. 1640 01:18:50,596 --> 01:18:53,332 Would there be justice for Maurizio Gucci? 1641 01:18:53,365 --> 01:18:57,369 - The name, the money, the fame, the drama. 1642 01:18:57,403 --> 01:19:00,139 It was a shame. It's a sad story. 1643 01:19:14,654 --> 01:19:15,555 The courthouse where the trial 1644 01:19:16,556 --> 01:19:19,092 of Maurizio Gucci's alleged murderers took place 1645 01:19:19,125 --> 01:19:22,729 isn't far from Milan's medieval House of Justice. 1646 01:19:22,762 --> 01:19:25,031 Judges once stood on this balcony 1647 01:19:25,031 --> 01:19:26,633 to proclaim their verdicts, 1648 01:19:26,666 --> 01:19:30,370 their words echoing around the square. 1649 01:19:30,403 --> 01:19:33,039 On November 3, 1998, 1650 01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:36,810 Milan's current judges were about to render a verdict 1651 01:19:36,843 --> 01:19:39,879 that would echo far beyond the city's walls. 1652 01:19:43,583 --> 01:19:47,554 - So, where were you? - My seat was here. 1653 01:19:47,587 --> 01:19:49,055 - And-and where was Patrizia Reggiani? 1654 01:19:49,055 --> 01:19:52,659 - Patrizia Reggiani was there. 1655 01:19:52,692 --> 01:19:57,464 - And then 3 1/2 years after Maurizio Gucci was assassinated, 1656 01:19:57,497 --> 01:20:01,368 the gavel came down on Patrizia Reggiani. 1657 01:20:01,401 --> 01:20:02,802 She was pronounced guilty 1658 01:20:02,836 --> 01:20:05,271 of ordering the murder of her ex-husband 1659 01:20:05,305 --> 01:20:09,175 and sentenced to 29 years. 1660 01:20:09,209 --> 01:20:11,077 - Take me back to the moment, the verdict. 1661 01:20:11,111 --> 01:20:14,147 When you hear "guilty," what did you feel? 1662 01:20:14,180 --> 01:20:18,685 - For me? Liberation for me. 1663 01:20:18,718 --> 01:20:20,787 - It took a toll. - Yes. 1664 01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:24,524 - Yes. And what about her reaction? 1665 01:20:24,557 --> 01:20:29,562 - Um, not really a reaction. - Nothing. 1666 01:20:29,596 --> 01:20:32,399 - Nothing emotion. - No emotion. Really? 1667 01:20:32,432 --> 01:20:35,301 - No emotion. - Wow. 1668 01:20:35,335 --> 01:20:37,270 When he heard about the guilty verdict, 1669 01:20:37,303 --> 01:20:40,440 Domenico De Sole, Gucci's former CEO, 1670 01:20:40,473 --> 01:20:44,077 kept replaying a conversation he had with Patrizia 1671 01:20:44,110 --> 01:20:48,448 at her apartment just two months before her arrest. 1672 01:20:48,481 --> 01:20:50,216 - We talked about Mauricio. We talked about Rodolfo. 1673 01:20:50,250 --> 01:20:51,618 We talked about the family, 1674 01:20:51,651 --> 01:20:56,890 and she was very clear about where she-- the way-- 1675 01:20:56,923 --> 01:20:59,759 Maurizio's weaknesses and faults. 1676 01:20:59,793 --> 01:21:02,095 It was very interesting. I had no idea, at that point, 1677 01:21:02,128 --> 01:21:04,364 that she was the one that murdered Maurizio. 1678 01:21:04,397 --> 01:21:07,801 - You said she kept pointing out Maurizio's weaknesses. 1679 01:21:07,834 --> 01:21:09,703 Why do you think she was doing that? 1680 01:21:09,736 --> 01:21:12,238 - Probably to justify in her own mind 1681 01:21:12,272 --> 01:21:14,708 what she had done, maybe. 1682 01:21:14,741 --> 01:21:17,243 - The rest of the crew was found guilty, too. 1683 01:21:17,277 --> 01:21:21,414 The former mechanic who shot Maurizio was sentenced to life. 1684 01:21:21,448 --> 01:21:24,184 The getaway driver got 29 years. 1685 01:21:24,217 --> 01:21:26,319 The hotel clerk, 26. 1686 01:21:26,353 --> 01:21:30,757 Pina Auriemma was sentenced to 25 years behind bars. 1687 01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:33,360 - It was kind of ridiculous the kinds of characters 1688 01:21:33,393 --> 01:21:34,661 that ended up carrying out 1689 01:21:34,694 --> 01:21:37,997 what looked like a professional hit job. 1690 01:21:38,098 --> 01:21:40,200 - Incredible. Incredible. 1691 01:21:40,233 --> 01:21:43,003 - It was almost a comedy of characters. 1692 01:21:43,103 --> 01:21:45,905 - Italian comedy. 1693 01:21:45,939 --> 01:21:49,576 - Pina and Patrizia served their time in the same prison, 1694 01:21:49,609 --> 01:21:54,114 but their friendship was over. 1695 01:21:54,147 --> 01:21:55,382 - In jail, I studied a lot. 1696 01:21:55,415 --> 01:21:57,217 I read a lot. I worked there. 1697 01:21:57,250 --> 01:21:59,586 Patrizia slept until two or three in the afternoon. 1698 01:21:59,619 --> 01:22:01,054 Then she would wander around a bit, 1699 01:22:01,054 --> 01:22:03,757 and then in the evening, she would go back to her cell, 1700 01:22:03,790 --> 01:22:05,125 and if we did meet in prison, 1701 01:22:05,158 --> 01:22:09,629 I ignored her, and she ignored me. 1702 01:22:09,662 --> 01:22:11,598 - Pina got out in 2010 1703 01:22:11,631 --> 01:22:14,701 and is trying to live a quiet and private life, 1704 01:22:14,734 --> 01:22:16,102 but she says that doesn't mean 1705 01:22:16,136 --> 01:22:19,806 she'll ever be able to escape what she's done. 1706 01:22:19,839 --> 01:22:22,876 - How much does this continue to haunt you? 1707 01:22:22,909 --> 01:22:24,678 - Sempre. 1708 01:22:24,711 --> 01:22:26,680 - Always. 1709 01:22:26,713 --> 01:22:28,815 - Sempre. - Always. 1710 01:22:28,848 --> 01:22:31,918 Maurizio is always on my mind. 1711 01:22:31,951 --> 01:22:36,856 - Do you ever think the story is going to go away for you? 1712 01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:39,259 - The story will never end. Never. 1713 01:22:39,292 --> 01:22:41,528 It will keep coming back. 1714 01:22:41,561 --> 01:22:45,432 - Which means that Patrizia Gucci, Maurizio's cousin, 1715 01:22:45,465 --> 01:22:46,833 will have to keep fighting 1716 01:22:46,866 --> 01:22:49,436 to reclaim her family's good name. 1717 01:22:49,469 --> 01:22:52,572 She said the Gucci family never gave their approval 1718 01:22:52,605 --> 01:22:56,109 to "The House of Gucci" book or the movie. 1719 01:22:56,109 --> 01:22:58,111 She also said that looking at her family 1720 01:22:58,111 --> 01:23:01,081 through the lens of Patrizia Reggiani's crime 1721 01:23:01,114 --> 01:23:04,317 only encourages people to associate the Guccis 1722 01:23:04,351 --> 01:23:06,319 with dysfunction and murder 1723 01:23:06,353 --> 01:23:08,788 rather than with the influential fashions 1724 01:23:08,822 --> 01:23:13,460 and creative ingenuity for which they should be famous. 1725 01:23:13,493 --> 01:23:14,828 - It's my family's story 1726 01:23:14,861 --> 01:23:17,831 that a lot of things have been told in the wrong way, 1727 01:23:17,864 --> 01:23:19,199 always focusing all the attention 1728 01:23:19,232 --> 01:23:21,701 on all these arguments, on all of these feuds, 1729 01:23:21,735 --> 01:23:24,904 newspaper articles always saying the feud continues. 1730 01:23:24,938 --> 01:23:27,574 Just stop. It's enough. 1731 01:23:27,607 --> 01:23:31,544 - Patrizia says that Reggiani has stolen her name from her, 1732 01:23:31,578 --> 01:23:33,246 and she wants it back. 1733 01:23:33,279 --> 01:23:37,517 - My name is Patrizia Gucci. Only this name I have. 1734 01:23:37,550 --> 01:23:39,252 - You're the only Patrizia Gucci. 1735 01:23:39,285 --> 01:23:41,721 - I'm the only Patrizia Gucci, yes. 1736 01:23:41,755 --> 01:23:44,891 - But it is very unlikely that Patricia Reggiani 1737 01:23:44,924 --> 01:23:47,093 will give up the Gucci name, 1738 01:23:47,093 --> 01:23:49,696 whether it's hers to keep or not. 1739 01:23:49,729 --> 01:23:53,099 When she was released from prison in 2016, 1740 01:23:53,099 --> 01:23:56,236 she proceeded to walk down Via Monte Napoleone, 1741 01:23:56,269 --> 01:23:58,872 Milan's grandest shopping street, 1742 01:23:58,905 --> 01:24:01,141 with a parrot on her shoulder, 1743 01:24:01,174 --> 01:24:05,211 apparently cherishing the paparazzi's attention. 1744 01:24:05,245 --> 01:24:08,581 - Oh, she would never disappear into oblivion. 1745 01:24:08,615 --> 01:24:12,752 That is not in her nature. She feeds off attention. 1746 01:24:12,786 --> 01:24:13,887 She's a narcissist. 1747 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,056 She wants to be the center of her own story. 1748 01:24:16,056 --> 01:24:18,792 - I think she was very authentic in her own way. 1749 01:24:18,825 --> 01:24:20,894 I don't know if I would call her-- 1750 01:24:20,927 --> 01:24:22,429 Was she the femme fatale? 1751 01:24:22,462 --> 01:24:25,065 Maybe, but I don't think she started out, you know, 1752 01:24:25,065 --> 01:24:27,867 with the vision of where she was going to end up. 1753 01:24:27,901 --> 01:24:30,136 She gave an interview not too long ago. 1754 01:24:30,170 --> 01:24:32,072 The interviewer asked her, you know, 1755 01:24:32,105 --> 01:24:35,408 "If you could say anything to Maurizio today, 1756 01:24:35,442 --> 01:24:36,910 "what would you say?" 1757 01:24:36,943 --> 01:24:39,546 And she said, "Forgive me." 1758 01:24:39,579 --> 01:24:42,349 - Sheree Loud isn't thinking about forgiveness. 1759 01:24:42,382 --> 01:24:45,251 She worries more about the man Patrizia had killed 1760 01:24:45,285 --> 01:24:46,886 being forgotten. 1761 01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,090 To her, Maurizio Gucci's sensational murder 1762 01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:53,893 has come to overshadow the man she knew and loved, 1763 01:24:53,927 --> 01:24:56,963 a visionary whose loss deprived the world 1764 01:24:56,996 --> 01:24:59,833 of inspiration and beauty. 1765 01:24:59,866 --> 01:25:02,535 - He was a dreamer, and I felt blessed 1766 01:25:02,569 --> 01:25:05,338 to know a soul like his. 1767 01:25:05,372 --> 01:25:08,908 He was a very special person regardless of the name, 1768 01:25:08,942 --> 01:25:11,911 the money, the fame, the drama. 1769 01:25:11,945 --> 01:25:16,282 He was just a pure love. 1770 01:25:16,316 --> 01:25:18,184 It was a shame. It's a sad story. 1771 01:25:23,056 --> 01:25:26,326 - That's all for this edition of "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered". 1772 01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:28,762 I'm Kate Snow. Thank you for watching.