1 00:00:07,474 --> 00:00:10,877 - I'm Kate Snow, and this is 2 00:00:07,474 --> 00:00:10,877 "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 3 00:00:11,911 --> 00:00:13,346 - Finally get a hold of dad. 4 00:00:13,380 --> 00:00:14,547 I was like, 5 00:00:13,380 --> 00:00:14,547 "What's going on?" 6 00:00:14,581 --> 00:00:17,951 And he's like, 7 00:00:14,581 --> 00:00:17,951 "Lisa's been shot." 8 00:00:17,984 --> 00:00:21,354 - I held her hand, and I 9 00:00:17,984 --> 00:00:21,354 just said, "My Lisa, my Lisa." 10 00:00:24,557 --> 00:00:25,859 - Everyone is like, 11 00:00:24,557 --> 00:00:25,859 "Do you want justice? 12 00:00:25,892 --> 00:00:27,560 Do you want revenge?" 13 00:00:27,594 --> 00:00:29,295 I just want the truth. 14 00:00:29,329 --> 00:00:32,465 - Lisa Techel, newly 15 00:00:29,329 --> 00:00:32,465 married, pregnant, 16 00:00:32,499 --> 00:00:35,268 starting the career 17 00:00:32,499 --> 00:00:35,268 of her dreams. 18 00:00:35,301 --> 00:00:38,271 - She always put everybody 19 00:00:35,301 --> 00:00:38,271 before she put herself. 20 00:00:38,304 --> 00:00:41,410 - Then, one morning, a 21 00:00:38,304 --> 00:00:41,410 single gunshot blast 22 00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:44,778 rocked the 23 00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:44,778 newlyweds' home. 24 00:00:44,811 --> 00:00:47,614 - A young husband out 25 00:00:44,811 --> 00:00:47,614 of his mind with grief. 26 00:00:49,816 --> 00:00:52,719 - It was a tragedy, 27 00:00:49,816 --> 00:00:52,719 but, for Lisa's dad, 28 00:00:52,752 --> 00:00:55,622 a sheriff's deputy, 29 00:00:52,752 --> 00:00:55,622 it was no mystery. 30 00:00:55,655 --> 00:00:58,858 He was sure he knew 31 00:00:55,655 --> 00:00:58,858 who the killer was. 32 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:01,194 [siren wailing] 33 00:01:01,227 --> 00:01:03,863 - A neighbor with 34 00:01:01,227 --> 00:01:03,863 a gun and a grudge. 35 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:05,865 - I thought they better 36 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:05,865 get to him before I do. 37 00:01:05,899 --> 00:01:08,968 - But some said this couple 38 00:01:05,899 --> 00:01:08,968 was having trouble, 39 00:01:09,690 --> 00:01:10,804 that Seth had a secret. 40 00:01:10,837 --> 00:01:12,205 - Did he tell you, 41 00:01:12,238 --> 00:01:13,406 "She sent me some 42 00:01:12,238 --> 00:01:13,406 topless pictures?" 43 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:14,641 - Yes. 44 00:01:14,674 --> 00:01:17,410 - Others said the real 45 00:01:14,674 --> 00:01:17,410 murderer was someone else 46 00:01:17,444 --> 00:01:19,479 right under 47 00:01:17,444 --> 00:01:19,479 the cops' noses. 48 00:01:19,512 --> 00:01:20,947 - Here's a legitimate suspect 49 00:01:20,980 --> 00:01:22,615 that should have 50 00:01:20,980 --> 00:01:22,615 been investigated. 51 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:25,151 - A case unfolding 52 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:25,151 on camera, 53 00:01:25,185 --> 00:01:27,554 one that would 54 00:01:25,185 --> 00:01:27,554 test three juries, 55 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:29,723 shatter two families. 56 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:31,925 - It's just like somebody 57 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:31,925 hit me in the stomach. 58 00:01:31,958 --> 00:01:34,494 - And take one 59 00:01:31,958 --> 00:01:34,494 final twist. 60 00:01:34,527 --> 00:01:36,295 - That was her 61 00:01:34,527 --> 00:01:36,295 biggest secret. 62 00:01:36,329 --> 00:01:40,800 ** 63 00:01:44,337 --> 00:01:47,340 - Hello and welcome to 64 00:01:44,337 --> 00:01:47,340 "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 65 00:01:47,374 --> 00:01:49,776 Lisa and Seth Techel 66 00:01:47,374 --> 00:01:49,776 met at a bowling alley 67 00:01:49,809 --> 00:01:51,244 when they were just teens. 68 00:01:51,277 --> 00:01:53,279 Their families were thrilled 69 00:01:51,277 --> 00:01:53,279 when they married, 70 00:01:53,313 --> 00:01:55,615 and soon a baby 71 00:01:53,313 --> 00:01:55,615 was on the way, 72 00:01:55,648 --> 00:01:58,918 but the couple's happily ever 73 00:01:55,648 --> 00:01:58,918 after ended abruptly 74 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:00,887 when Lisa was murdered. 75 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,390 Police quickly zeroed in 76 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,390 on a suspect. 77 00:02:03,423 --> 00:02:07,600 Then a secret emerged that 78 00:02:03,423 --> 00:02:07,600 upended the investigation 79 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,196 and threatened the bond 80 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,196 between two families. 81 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:13,366 Here's Dennis Murphy 82 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:13,366 with "Before Dawn." 83 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:21,474 ** 84 00:02:21,508 --> 00:02:24,310 - The cornfields of Iowa 85 00:02:24,344 --> 00:02:27,681 are a far piece 86 00:02:24,344 --> 00:02:27,681 from Memphis, 87 00:02:27,714 --> 00:02:30,829 but it was here, 88 00:02:27,714 --> 00:02:30,829 in a Ottumwa, Iowa, 89 00:02:30,116 --> 00:02:34,521 a baby girl was named 90 00:02:30,116 --> 00:02:34,521 after a Princess, Lisa Marie. 91 00:02:34,554 --> 00:02:36,489 Yep, that one. 92 00:02:36,523 --> 00:02:39,259 - As a kid, I was 93 00:02:36,523 --> 00:02:39,259 pretty big into Elvis. 94 00:02:39,292 --> 00:02:42,328 I knew that my first daughter 95 00:02:39,292 --> 00:02:42,328 was gonna be Lisa Marie 96 00:02:42,362 --> 00:02:44,297 because of Elvis, 97 00:02:42,362 --> 00:02:44,297 of course. 98 00:02:44,329 --> 00:02:46,933 - Just as Todd Caldwell hoped, 99 00:02:44,329 --> 00:02:46,933 his little Lisa 100 00:02:46,966 --> 00:02:48,635 lived up to 101 00:02:46,966 --> 00:02:48,635 her big name. 102 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:51,204 - She was just the-- 103 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:51,204 the life of the party. 104 00:02:51,237 --> 00:02:54,107 - Once she started talkin', 105 00:02:51,237 --> 00:02:54,107 she hadn't shut up. 106 00:02:54,107 --> 00:02:56,876 - They're divorced now, 107 00:02:54,107 --> 00:02:56,876 but Tracy and Todd Caldwell 108 00:02:56,910 --> 00:03:00,513 watched their girl grow up 109 00:02:56,910 --> 00:03:00,513 all but unstoppable, 110 00:03:00,547 --> 00:03:03,683 a vivacious, 111 00:03:00,547 --> 00:03:03,683 winning teen. 112 00:03:03,717 --> 00:03:05,418 [cheering] 113 00:03:05,452 --> 00:03:06,886 - Bowling, Todd, 114 00:03:05,452 --> 00:03:06,886 we're not just talking 115 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:08,421 about recreational 116 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:08,421 Saturday night now and then. 117 00:03:08,455 --> 00:03:11,391 - No, we're talking about 118 00:03:08,455 --> 00:03:11,391 state champion bowling. 119 00:03:11,424 --> 00:03:15,610 Anything she did, she had 120 00:03:11,424 --> 00:03:15,610 to be the best at it. 121 00:03:15,610 --> 00:03:17,630 - Oh. 122 00:03:15,610 --> 00:03:17,630 - Lisa, look over here. 123 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:20,660 - Lisa was a teenager 124 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:20,660 when her parents divorced. 125 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:22,202 Todd remained an 126 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:22,202 active father to Lisa 127 00:03:22,235 --> 00:03:23,837 and his three 128 00:03:22,235 --> 00:03:23,837 other children. 129 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:26,272 All the while, he was 130 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:26,272 working a stressful 131 00:03:26,306 --> 00:03:28,541 and dangerous job 132 00:03:26,306 --> 00:03:28,541 as a deputy 133 00:03:28,575 --> 00:03:31,578 in the Wapello County 134 00:03:28,575 --> 00:03:31,578 Sheriff's Department. 135 00:03:31,611 --> 00:03:33,847 He found comfort 136 00:03:31,611 --> 00:03:33,847 in several ways. 137 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,815 One was his 138 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,815 occasional hobby. 139 00:03:35,849 --> 00:03:38,618 He'd take out his sketch pad 140 00:03:35,849 --> 00:03:38,618 from time to time. 141 00:03:38,651 --> 00:03:39,853 - Oh! 142 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:42,989 - And then he met and fell hard 143 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:42,989 for a nurse named Amy. 144 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:44,724 - Yeah, come here, you. 145 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:44,724 I got ya. 146 00:03:44,758 --> 00:03:46,259 [laughing] 147 00:03:44,758 --> 00:03:46,259 - Before long, 148 00:03:46,292 --> 00:03:49,262 he was starting fatherhood 149 00:03:46,292 --> 00:03:49,262 all over again, 150 00:03:49,295 --> 00:03:50,829 with twin daughters. 151 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:53,533 This time, he was getting 152 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:53,533 lots of help from Lisa. 153 00:03:53,566 --> 00:03:56,469 She was the twins' 154 00:03:53,566 --> 00:03:56,469 default babysitter. 155 00:03:56,503 --> 00:03:59,500 - She was more like 156 00:03:56,503 --> 00:03:59,500 a second mom to the twins 157 00:03:59,105 --> 00:04:00,240 than a big sister. 158 00:04:00,273 --> 00:04:02,420 - She was just 159 00:04:00,273 --> 00:04:02,420 a caregiver to anybody. 160 00:04:02,420 --> 00:04:03,443 - You had a very 161 00:04:02,420 --> 00:04:03,443 close relationship. 162 00:04:03,476 --> 00:04:05,578 - Mm-hmm, very. 163 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:07,470 I would get 164 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:07,470 into bed with her, 165 00:04:07,470 --> 00:04:10,550 and we'd watch old episodes 166 00:04:07,470 --> 00:04:10,550 of the "Gold Girls." 167 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:11,751 - That's a sweet 168 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:11,751 relationship, right? 169 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:12,852 [laughing] 170 00:04:12,886 --> 00:04:14,521 - Yeah, and she always 171 00:04:12,886 --> 00:04:14,521 said that I was Dorothy 172 00:04:14,554 --> 00:04:16,289 because I'm such 173 00:04:14,554 --> 00:04:16,289 a grouch all the time. 174 00:04:16,322 --> 00:04:19,559 [laughing] 175 00:04:16,322 --> 00:04:19,559 But, um, yeah, 176 00:04:19,591 --> 00:04:21,861 that was my favorite time 177 00:04:19,591 --> 00:04:21,861 with Lisa. 178 00:04:21,894 --> 00:04:24,964 I'm so lucky. 179 00:04:21,894 --> 00:04:24,964 Muah. 180 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:29,202 - But stepmom, Amy, 181 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:29,202 put on her enforcer hat 182 00:04:29,235 --> 00:04:31,938 when it came to Lisa's 183 00:04:29,235 --> 00:04:31,938 teenage romantic life. 184 00:04:31,971 --> 00:04:34,140 - I wanted to know 185 00:04:31,971 --> 00:04:34,140 who the boyfriends were. 186 00:04:34,174 --> 00:04:36,142 I wanted to know who 187 00:04:34,174 --> 00:04:36,142 their parents were. 188 00:04:36,176 --> 00:04:37,409 - Right. 189 00:04:36,176 --> 00:04:37,409 - Yeah. 190 00:04:37,444 --> 00:04:39,746 I-I was the one that they 191 00:04:37,444 --> 00:04:39,746 had to pass the test with. 192 00:04:39,779 --> 00:04:42,415 - The boyfriend who 193 00:04:39,779 --> 00:04:42,415 passed with flying colors 194 00:04:42,449 --> 00:04:44,484 was a kid named 195 00:04:42,449 --> 00:04:44,484 Seth Techel. 196 00:04:44,517 --> 00:04:47,870 He came from a longtime 197 00:04:44,517 --> 00:04:47,870 local family. 198 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:50,824 His grandfather had been the 199 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:50,824 umpteen-term Mayor of Ottumwa. 200 00:04:50,857 --> 00:04:55,962 Mom was a social worker. 201 00:04:50,857 --> 00:04:55,962 Dad owned a local bowling alley, 202 00:04:55,995 --> 00:04:58,980 and the bowling alley 203 00:04:55,995 --> 00:04:58,980 was where Seth, 204 00:04:58,980 --> 00:05:00,600 as a young teen, 205 00:04:58,980 --> 00:05:00,600 began noticing Lisa. 206 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:03,360 His dad was her 207 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:03,360 high school coach, 208 00:05:03,690 --> 00:05:06,172 and Seth bowled almost 209 00:05:03,690 --> 00:05:06,172 but not quite as well as Lisa. 210 00:05:06,206 --> 00:05:08,842 The two worked part time 211 00:05:06,206 --> 00:05:08,842 together at the lanes. 212 00:05:08,875 --> 00:05:11,770 They were becoming 213 00:05:08,875 --> 00:05:11,770 boyfriend-girlfriend, 214 00:05:11,111 --> 00:05:13,680 and that was fine 215 00:05:11,111 --> 00:05:13,680 with both their families. 216 00:05:13,713 --> 00:05:17,250 So, you liked this young girl. 217 00:05:13,713 --> 00:05:17,250 - Oh, a lot, yeah. 218 00:05:17,283 --> 00:05:19,386 - She was a part of our family. 219 00:05:17,283 --> 00:05:19,386 - Yeah. 220 00:05:19,419 --> 00:05:21,588 - The Techels were 221 00:05:19,419 --> 00:05:21,588 a churchgoing family, 222 00:05:21,621 --> 00:05:24,424 and Seth's mom, Lorraine, 223 00:05:21,621 --> 00:05:24,424 remembers how the boy's 224 00:05:24,457 --> 00:05:27,127 compassion for others shone 225 00:05:24,457 --> 00:05:27,127 on a relief mission 226 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,929 to Mississippi 227 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,929 after Hurricane Katrina. 228 00:05:29,963 --> 00:05:32,198 - He just stood and talked 229 00:05:29,963 --> 00:05:32,198 to these-these folks 230 00:05:32,232 --> 00:05:35,680 for hours and hours, and they 231 00:05:32,232 --> 00:05:35,680 just became very good friends, 232 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,710 and, um, I have a lot 233 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,710 of memories like that of Seth. 234 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:40,774 - Helping people. 235 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:40,774 - Yeah. 236 00:05:40,807 --> 00:05:43,710 [indistinct chatter] 237 00:05:43,743 --> 00:05:45,845 - And Lisa wanted 238 00:05:43,743 --> 00:05:45,845 to help people, too. 239 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,782 She followed her father 240 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,782 into law enforcement, 241 00:05:48,815 --> 00:05:51,784 first as a reserve deputy 242 00:05:48,815 --> 00:05:51,784 in Todd's sheriff's department 243 00:05:51,818 --> 00:05:54,621 and then as a jailer 244 00:05:51,818 --> 00:05:54,621 in a neighboring county. 245 00:05:54,654 --> 00:05:57,123 - I told her that she 246 00:05:54,654 --> 00:05:57,123 would have my blessings 247 00:05:57,157 --> 00:05:59,759 if she wasn't 248 00:05:57,157 --> 00:05:59,759 just an average cop. 249 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:02,328 I wanted her to be 250 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:02,328 a really great cop 251 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:03,930 because I didn't wanna 252 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:03,930 have to worry about, 253 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:07,567 you know, her inefficiencies 254 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:07,567 maybe endangering her life. 255 00:06:10,170 --> 00:06:11,771 [cheering] 256 00:06:11,805 --> 00:06:14,400 - After years of hearing 257 00:06:11,805 --> 00:06:14,400 patrons at the bowling alley 258 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,543 joke about when the two of them 259 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,543 were going to get married, 260 00:06:16,576 --> 00:06:19,813 Seth and Lisa made 261 00:06:16,576 --> 00:06:19,813 the inevitable official. 262 00:06:19,846 --> 00:06:23,450 She was 22. 263 00:06:19,846 --> 00:06:23,450 He was 21. 264 00:06:23,483 --> 00:06:26,520 - I just told him that, 265 00:06:23,483 --> 00:06:26,520 no matter what he did, 266 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:28,880 to take care of her 267 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:28,880 and protect her. 268 00:06:28,121 --> 00:06:29,889 - And he said? 269 00:06:28,121 --> 00:06:29,889 - He said he would. 270 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:33,626 - Lisa's sister, 271 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:33,626 another Elvis namesake, Presley, 272 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:36,329 got much more 273 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:36,329 than a brother-in-law with Seth. 274 00:06:36,363 --> 00:06:37,797 - He was my best friend. 275 00:06:37,831 --> 00:06:39,933 I mean, he was just 276 00:06:37,831 --> 00:06:39,933 kind of that other person 277 00:06:39,966 --> 00:06:42,802 that I could always go to. 278 00:06:39,966 --> 00:06:42,802 - He called me dad. 279 00:06:42,836 --> 00:06:44,504 We told each other 280 00:06:42,836 --> 00:06:44,504 we loved each other. 281 00:06:44,537 --> 00:06:46,306 We hugged every time 282 00:06:44,537 --> 00:06:46,306 we left each other. 283 00:06:46,339 --> 00:06:48,575 I mean, I felt as close 284 00:06:46,339 --> 00:06:48,575 to him as I did my son. 285 00:06:48,608 --> 00:06:51,211 - For Lisa, it wasn't 286 00:06:48,608 --> 00:06:51,211 just gaining a husband. 287 00:06:51,244 --> 00:06:55,582 It was having all his buddies 288 00:06:51,244 --> 00:06:55,582 come along, too, a package deal. 289 00:06:55,615 --> 00:06:58,840 So, how did Lisa put 290 00:06:55,615 --> 00:06:58,840 up with you guys? 291 00:06:58,118 --> 00:07:00,787 - She was kinda interested 292 00:06:58,118 --> 00:07:00,787 in the same things 293 00:07:00,820 --> 00:07:04,240 that all of us were. 294 00:07:00,820 --> 00:07:04,240 Like, she liked to go fishing. 295 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,760 She liked to go hunting. 296 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,760 She liked to shoot guns. 297 00:07:06,793 --> 00:07:09,950 - Was she okay? 298 00:07:06,793 --> 00:07:09,950 - Better than Seth. 299 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:10,663 - Sounds like you guys all 300 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:10,663 would have been happy 301 00:07:10,697 --> 00:07:13,330 if she were your girlfriend. 302 00:07:10,697 --> 00:07:13,330 - Seth was lucky. 303 00:07:13,660 --> 00:07:16,403 - Lucky for sure, 304 00:07:13,660 --> 00:07:16,403 but Seth knew it was time 305 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:18,672 to settle down 306 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:18,672 and get a real job. 307 00:07:18,705 --> 00:07:21,474 Like Lisa, he was drawn 308 00:07:18,705 --> 00:07:21,474 to uniform service. 309 00:07:21,508 --> 00:07:23,843 He'd signed on 310 00:07:21,508 --> 00:07:23,843 as a volunteer firefighter 311 00:07:23,877 --> 00:07:26,646 and drew a paycheck 312 00:07:23,877 --> 00:07:26,646 as a security guard, 313 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,382 but his father-in-law, Todd, 314 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,382 was helping him get 315 00:07:29,416 --> 00:07:32,919 a higher rung on the ladder 316 00:07:29,416 --> 00:07:32,919 with a soon-to-start job 317 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:35,955 as a jailer for the sheriffs. 318 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:35,955 - They were very close. 319 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,624 Todd was a big 320 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,624 influence on Seth. 321 00:07:37,657 --> 00:07:39,659 That's why I think 322 00:07:37,657 --> 00:07:39,659 he went into law enforcement. 323 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:44,640 - A new job, a young marriage, 324 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:44,640 and now more changes for Seth. 325 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,166 He was going 326 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,166 to be a father. 327 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,836 They'd picked a name 328 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,836 for the unborn girl, Zoe Maria. 329 00:07:49,869 --> 00:07:54,240 In May 2012, they were 330 00:07:49,869 --> 00:07:54,240 halfway through the pregnancy. 331 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:57,744 Seth and Lisa, a baby 332 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:57,744 on the way, were starting out 333 00:07:57,777 --> 00:08:00,130 their married life in this 334 00:07:57,777 --> 00:08:00,130 humble little trailer. 335 00:08:00,460 --> 00:08:01,448 It was a gift 336 00:08:00,460 --> 00:08:01,448 from his dad 337 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:03,650 perched on just a beautiful 338 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:03,650 piece of property. 339 00:08:03,683 --> 00:08:05,180 It was a kind 340 00:08:03,683 --> 00:08:05,180 of starter home 341 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:07,200 while they saved 342 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:07,200 some money for the future. 343 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,550 The only apparent cloud 344 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,550 in the picture 345 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:10,323 was an escalating feud 346 00:08:10,357 --> 00:08:12,425 with an across-the-fence 347 00:08:10,357 --> 00:08:12,425 neighbor here. 348 00:08:12,459 --> 00:08:13,760 There was bad blood. 349 00:08:17,797 --> 00:08:19,899 It happened at 5 350 00:08:17,797 --> 00:08:19,899 in the morning, 351 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:23,670 a sudden horrifying sound 352 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:23,670 that shattered two young lives. 353 00:08:23,703 --> 00:08:24,804 [phone ringing] 354 00:08:27,874 --> 00:08:32,450 - Saturday, May 26, 2012, 355 00:08:27,874 --> 00:08:32,450 Memorial Day weekend. 356 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:39,919 - A shotgun blast had 357 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:39,919 ended all the plans 358 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:43,590 of Mr. and Mrs. 359 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:43,590 Seth Techel. 360 00:08:43,623 --> 00:08:46,826 - Newlywed, mom-to-be, 361 00:08:43,623 --> 00:08:46,826 and now, out of the blue, 362 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:50,663 victim of a violent attack. 363 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:50,663 Who would want to hurt Lisa? 364 00:08:50,697 --> 00:08:52,532 With a suspect 365 00:08:50,697 --> 00:08:52,532 still at large, 366 00:08:52,565 --> 00:08:55,435 the questions 367 00:08:52,565 --> 00:08:55,435 are just beginning. 368 00:08:56,936 --> 00:08:58,905 [siren wailing] 369 00:08:56,936 --> 00:08:58,905 Deputies race to the scene 370 00:08:58,938 --> 00:09:01,741 where the shooter 371 00:08:58,938 --> 00:09:01,741 could be lurking anywhere. 372 00:09:01,775 --> 00:09:03,743 - You don't know if somebody 373 00:09:01,775 --> 00:09:03,743 coulda winged a shot at you. 374 00:09:03,777 --> 00:09:06,346 - Yeah. I mean, that was 375 00:09:03,777 --> 00:09:06,346 possible the whole time. 376 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:19,859 - It was the end 377 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:19,859 of a long overnight shift 378 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:22,729 for Sheriff's Deputy 379 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:22,729 Marty Wonderlin, 380 00:09:22,762 --> 00:09:26,660 the only deputy on duty 381 00:09:22,762 --> 00:09:26,660 in Wapello County, Iowa. 382 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:28,902 All was quiet, and with 383 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:28,902 the first hint of daybreak 384 00:09:28,935 --> 00:09:31,370 that Saturday morning, 385 00:09:28,935 --> 00:09:31,370 Marty relaxed 386 00:09:31,710 --> 00:09:33,340 and turned up the music 387 00:09:31,710 --> 00:09:33,340 in his cruiser. 388 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:38,178 It's the ragged end 389 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:38,178 of the shift for you. 390 00:09:38,211 --> 00:09:41,781 - Yeah. I'm taking my last 391 00:09:38,211 --> 00:09:41,781 little loop around the county 392 00:09:41,815 --> 00:09:45,719 and gonna watch the sun come up 393 00:09:41,815 --> 00:09:45,719 and go home and go to bed. 394 00:09:45,752 --> 00:09:48,521 - That plan came 395 00:09:45,752 --> 00:09:48,521 to an abrupt end 396 00:09:48,555 --> 00:09:51,658 around 5:30 a.m. 397 00:09:48,555 --> 00:09:51,658 when Seth Techel made 398 00:09:51,691 --> 00:09:54,294 a desperate 9-1-1 call 399 00:09:51,691 --> 00:09:54,294 from his house. 400 00:10:03,703 --> 00:10:07,674 [sobbing] 401 00:10:07,707 --> 00:10:11,440 - Dispatch relayed 402 00:10:07,707 --> 00:10:11,440 the message to Marty Wonderlin. 403 00:10:11,770 --> 00:10:13,646 The young deputy had never 404 00:10:11,770 --> 00:10:13,646 gotten a call like this. 405 00:10:20,887 --> 00:10:22,188 - Is your heart 406 00:10:20,887 --> 00:10:22,188 pounding a little? 407 00:10:22,222 --> 00:10:25,825 - Oh, yeah. 408 00:10:22,222 --> 00:10:25,825 Uh, that's an understatement. 409 00:10:25,859 --> 00:10:29,620 [siren wailing] 410 00:10:29,950 --> 00:10:32,298 - With his car 411 00:10:29,950 --> 00:10:32,298 and his mind both doing 90, 412 00:10:32,332 --> 00:10:34,934 Marty raced to the house 413 00:10:32,332 --> 00:10:34,934 in under ten minutes. 414 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:37,704 He slowed along the rise 415 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:37,704 of the gravel country road 416 00:10:37,737 --> 00:10:39,439 and stopped 417 00:10:37,737 --> 00:10:39,439 in the driveway. 418 00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:42,750 He had no idea 419 00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:42,750 what he'd be facing. 420 00:10:42,108 --> 00:10:43,843 His dashboard camera 421 00:10:42,108 --> 00:10:43,843 captured the scene 422 00:10:43,877 --> 00:10:46,246 as he approached the house. 423 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:47,747 Here's how you get 424 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:47,747 in the trailer. 425 00:10:47,781 --> 00:10:48,982 What do you see 426 00:10:47,781 --> 00:10:48,982 right about here? 427 00:10:49,150 --> 00:10:51,785 - You can see, uh, Seth Techel 428 00:10:49,150 --> 00:10:51,785 up on the porch. 429 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:53,553 He's wearing cargo shorts 430 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:53,553 and a belt, 431 00:10:53,586 --> 00:10:55,655 and he's just bent over, 432 00:10:53,586 --> 00:10:55,655 you know. 433 00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:56,823 - What's he doing? 434 00:10:56,856 --> 00:11:00,126 - Sounds like he's crying, 435 00:10:56,856 --> 00:11:00,126 just sobbing. 436 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,429 - The toughest call 437 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,429 of Marty's career 438 00:11:02,462 --> 00:11:05,165 was suddenly so much 439 00:11:02,462 --> 00:11:05,165 more complicated. 440 00:11:05,198 --> 00:11:07,567 He knew the grieving husband 441 00:11:05,198 --> 00:11:07,567 on the porch. 442 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,870 Considered him a friend. 443 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,870 Knew his wife, Lisa, too, 444 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:14,641 and her father, Todd, 445 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:14,641 was a respected fellow deputy. 446 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:18,778 The unfolding tragedy 447 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:18,778 had just become very personal. 448 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:20,814 Deputy, how do you set 449 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:20,814 your brain in compartments 450 00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:21,948 where you gotta be 451 00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:21,948 very professional 452 00:11:21,981 --> 00:11:24,284 this first time 453 00:11:21,981 --> 00:11:24,284 you've had major crime? 454 00:11:24,317 --> 00:11:28,188 And yet, 455 00:11:24,317 --> 00:11:28,188 it's also people you know. 456 00:11:28,221 --> 00:11:29,456 - It's tough. 457 00:11:29,489 --> 00:11:31,191 - Were you scared? 458 00:11:29,489 --> 00:11:31,191 It's okay if you were. 459 00:11:31,224 --> 00:11:32,726 - Yeah, I definitely was scared. 460 00:11:31,224 --> 00:11:32,726 You know, 461 00:11:32,759 --> 00:11:34,661 concerned about a lot 462 00:11:32,759 --> 00:11:34,661 of different things. 463 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:36,663 - You didn't know if somebody 464 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:36,663 coulda winged a shot at you. 465 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:39,332 - Yeah. I mean, that was 466 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:39,332 possible the whole time. 467 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:42,435 - As the only cop 468 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:42,435 at a dangerous, chaotic scene, 469 00:11:42,469 --> 00:11:44,404 the possibility 470 00:11:42,469 --> 00:11:44,404 of a live shooter 471 00:11:44,437 --> 00:11:47,874 still on the grounds, 472 00:11:44,437 --> 00:11:47,874 Marty's adrenaline was pumping. 473 00:11:47,907 --> 00:11:49,409 When he entered 474 00:11:47,907 --> 00:11:49,409 the trailer, 475 00:11:49,442 --> 00:11:51,611 a paramedic 476 00:11:49,442 --> 00:11:51,611 was attending to Lisa. 477 00:11:51,644 --> 00:11:54,714 She was lying in her bed. 478 00:11:51,644 --> 00:11:54,714 It didn't look good. 479 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:57,350 Marty's only thought 480 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:57,350 was to help her, 481 00:11:57,384 --> 00:11:59,119 but he had 482 00:11:57,384 --> 00:11:59,119 to secure his rifle, 483 00:11:59,119 --> 00:12:02,550 so he ran back to his cruiser 484 00:11:59,119 --> 00:12:02,550 to lock it up. 485 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:06,292 - I got on my radio, and I think 486 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:06,292 I told dispatch get 58 out here. 487 00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:12,165 - Badge 58 meant 488 00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:12,165 Deputy Todd Caldwell, 489 00:12:12,198 --> 00:12:13,967 Lisa's father. 490 00:12:12,198 --> 00:12:13,967 - In hindsight, 491 00:12:14,670 --> 00:12:16,690 I wish I wouldn't 492 00:12:14,670 --> 00:12:16,690 have done that. 493 00:12:16,690 --> 00:12:17,270 I wish I wouldn't have. 494 00:12:16,690 --> 00:12:17,270 - Why do you say that? 495 00:12:17,303 --> 00:12:19,305 - Well, 'cause I saw a lot 496 00:12:17,303 --> 00:12:19,305 of things that morning, 497 00:12:19,339 --> 00:12:21,841 and now because of me, 498 00:12:19,339 --> 00:12:21,841 because of asking him to, 499 00:12:21,875 --> 00:12:24,444 you know, come out there, 500 00:12:21,875 --> 00:12:24,444 he's gonna have to live 501 00:12:24,477 --> 00:12:27,747 with some of those same 502 00:12:24,477 --> 00:12:27,747 images that I do now. 503 00:12:27,781 --> 00:12:30,283 - Todd Caldwell was asleep, 504 00:12:30,316 --> 00:12:32,519 but his cell phone 505 00:12:30,316 --> 00:12:32,519 was plugged in next to the bed, 506 00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:36,356 always ready for a middle- 507 00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:36,356 of-the-night emergency call. 508 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:38,224 - We get a call 509 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:38,224 from, you know, 510 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:41,194 a dispatcher 511 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:41,194 who I've known for 20 years, 512 00:12:41,227 --> 00:12:44,531 and I can tell that-that 513 00:12:41,227 --> 00:12:44,531 his voice is different. 514 00:12:44,564 --> 00:12:47,167 And from what I remember, 515 00:12:44,564 --> 00:12:47,167 he just said, you know, 516 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,235 "You need to get 517 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,235 out to Lisa's house. 518 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:51,604 She's been shot 519 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:51,604 and isn't breathing." 520 00:12:51,638 --> 00:12:53,740 - Todd's wife, Amy, 521 00:12:51,638 --> 00:12:53,740 bolted out of bed. 522 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:56,609 Her stepdaughter, 523 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:56,609 her best friend, needed her. 524 00:12:56,643 --> 00:12:57,777 - I kinda left him behind. 525 00:12:57,811 --> 00:13:00,513 I-I didn't put shoes on, 526 00:12:57,811 --> 00:13:00,513 didn't put socks on. 527 00:13:00,547 --> 00:13:04,451 I went in my pajamas 528 00:13:00,547 --> 00:13:04,451 and drove 90 mile an hour. 529 00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:06,520 You know, I'm an ER nurse. 530 00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:06,520 I'm thinking-- 531 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:07,487 - You're sort of in nurse mode 532 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:07,487 here, too. Yeah. 533 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,621 - Yeah, 534 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,621 'cause I-I'm thinking, 535 00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:10,560 well, you know, 536 00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:10,560 maybe if I get there 537 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:11,691 fast enough, that-- 538 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:11,691 - Minutes matter. 539 00:13:11,725 --> 00:13:13,860 - There will be 540 00:13:11,725 --> 00:13:13,860 something I can do. 541 00:13:13,893 --> 00:13:16,463 - Todd raced behind 542 00:13:13,893 --> 00:13:16,463 in a separate vehicle. 543 00:13:16,496 --> 00:13:18,164 - I just repeated 544 00:13:16,496 --> 00:13:18,164 over and over, 545 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:20,166 you know, "Oh, my God. 546 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:20,166 Oh, my God. Oh, my God." 547 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,702 I just remember that's all 548 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,702 I could think and say is, 549 00:13:22,736 --> 00:13:25,710 "Oh, my God. 550 00:13:22,736 --> 00:13:25,710 Oh, my God. Oh, my God." 551 00:13:25,105 --> 00:13:28,740 - At the scene, Deputy Wonderlin 552 00:13:25,105 --> 00:13:28,740 ran back to the house 553 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:30,744 and did what he could 554 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:30,744 to help the EMT. 555 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:34,114 - I started giving Lisa 556 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:34,114 CPR, so the paramedic could-- 557 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:36,415 I think he was getting, like, 558 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:36,415 a defibrillator ready, 559 00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:39,285 but it felt like forever, 560 00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:39,285 you know, 561 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:42,880 and I'm asking him, 562 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:42,880 you know, "Do you want me 563 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,692 to do CPR still?" 564 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,692 He told me not to. 565 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:48,194 - There was nothing more 566 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:48,194 to do. 567 00:13:48,228 --> 00:13:51,498 She was gone, along with 568 00:13:48,228 --> 00:13:51,498 her unborn daughter. 569 00:13:51,531 --> 00:13:55,101 Lisa Marie Techel 570 00:13:51,531 --> 00:13:55,101 was just 23 years old. 571 00:13:55,101 --> 00:13:58,738 - I ran in there, and you 572 00:13:55,101 --> 00:13:58,738 could tell that she was gone. 573 00:13:58,772 --> 00:14:01,508 - So, you went into the bedroom. 574 00:13:58,772 --> 00:14:01,508 You saw her. 575 00:14:01,541 --> 00:14:04,377 Did you tend to her? 576 00:14:04,411 --> 00:14:06,279 - Yeah, I hold her-- 577 00:14:04,411 --> 00:14:06,279 I held her hand, 578 00:14:06,312 --> 00:14:08,648 and, um, 579 00:14:06,312 --> 00:14:08,648 I rubbed her belly, 580 00:14:08,682 --> 00:14:14,320 and-and I just said, 581 00:14:08,682 --> 00:14:14,320 "My Lisa, my Lisa." 582 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,222 - Todd, did you go into 583 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,222 the house? I hope not. 584 00:14:16,256 --> 00:14:17,891 - Yeah, I did. 585 00:14:17,924 --> 00:14:22,950 I went in there, and, uh, 586 00:14:17,924 --> 00:14:22,950 I seen her laying there, 587 00:14:22,128 --> 00:14:24,197 and I seen the amount 588 00:14:22,128 --> 00:14:24,197 of blood that was on the bed, 589 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:27,670 and I knew 590 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:27,670 from my experience 591 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:30,700 that that was too much blood 592 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:30,700 to sustain life. 593 00:14:30,103 --> 00:14:32,639 When I listen to, like, 594 00:14:30,103 --> 00:14:32,639 the tape recording of it, 595 00:14:32,672 --> 00:14:35,750 I hear myself 596 00:14:32,672 --> 00:14:35,750 bellowing. 597 00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:36,543 I-I don't know 598 00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:36,543 how to describe it. 599 00:14:36,576 --> 00:14:39,790 I don't even remember 600 00:14:36,576 --> 00:14:39,790 doing that. 601 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:45,785 - What happened? 602 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:45,785 [sobbing] 603 00:14:45,819 --> 00:14:47,721 - It was 604 00:14:45,819 --> 00:14:47,721 a heartbreaking scene, 605 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:50,657 but Deputy Marty Wonderlin 606 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:50,657 had a job to do. 607 00:14:50,690 --> 00:14:52,659 End of your shift, 608 00:14:50,690 --> 00:14:52,659 your first homicide, 609 00:14:52,692 --> 00:14:58,965 so you're in the barrel here. 610 00:14:52,692 --> 00:14:58,965 - Gotta start workin' it. 611 00:14:58,998 --> 00:15:00,934 - There was 612 00:14:58,998 --> 00:15:00,934 an immediate lead 613 00:15:01,340 --> 00:15:03,360 from, of all people, 614 00:15:01,340 --> 00:15:03,360 Todd Caldwell. 615 00:15:03,690 --> 00:15:06,106 The veteran cop, who had 616 00:15:03,690 --> 00:15:06,106 just seen his precious daughter 617 00:15:06,139 --> 00:15:07,774 lying dead 618 00:15:06,139 --> 00:15:07,774 in a pool of blood, 619 00:15:07,807 --> 00:15:10,430 said he knew 620 00:15:07,807 --> 00:15:10,430 who the shooter was, 621 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,245 and in a voice 622 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,245 filled with rage, 623 00:15:12,278 --> 00:15:15,348 he told his fellow deputies 624 00:15:12,278 --> 00:15:15,348 to take the suspect down. 625 00:15:21,321 --> 00:15:24,224 Who was Todd Caldwell 626 00:15:21,321 --> 00:15:24,224 talking about? 627 00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:27,360 Turns out there was someone 628 00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:27,360 in Seth and Lisa's life 629 00:15:27,394 --> 00:15:30,597 who had everybody worried. 630 00:15:27,394 --> 00:15:30,597 - Things were escalating. 631 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,732 They were fearful. 632 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,732 I was fearful. 633 00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:48,548 - Lisa Techel was dead, 634 00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:48,548 murdered in her own bed. 635 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:52,118 Her distraught husband, 636 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:52,118 Seth, was outside, 637 00:15:52,152 --> 00:15:53,887 shirtless and barefoot. 638 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,189 When Lisa's little sister, 639 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,189 Presley, arrived, 640 00:15:56,222 --> 00:15:58,992 all she could do 641 00:15:56,222 --> 00:15:58,992 was try to comfort him. 642 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,494 - By the time I got there, 643 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,494 they had stuff taped off, 644 00:16:01,528 --> 00:16:04,364 and I went up, 645 00:16:01,528 --> 00:16:04,364 and I just gave Seth, like, 646 00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:06,800 the longest-- seemed like, 647 00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:06,800 the longest hug ever. 648 00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:11,710 - Your best friend. 649 00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:11,710 - Yeah. 650 00:16:11,104 --> 00:16:14,674 - Seth was inconsolable 651 00:16:11,104 --> 00:16:14,674 and acting out. 652 00:16:14,708 --> 00:16:17,711 - I went over to him when 653 00:16:14,708 --> 00:16:17,711 I first got there, 654 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:22,148 and I tried hugging him. 655 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:22,148 He pushed me away. 656 00:16:22,182 --> 00:16:24,384 - (BLEEP). 657 00:16:22,182 --> 00:16:24,384 - He punched his truck, 658 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:26,520 and I said, "You know, 659 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:26,520 don't do that, Seth. 660 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,221 You know, 661 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,221 let me see your hand." 662 00:16:28,254 --> 00:16:30,790 - Todd offered to take Seth 663 00:16:28,254 --> 00:16:30,790 back to his house, 664 00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:33,360 but Doug Techel knew 665 00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:33,360 this was a moment 666 00:16:33,393 --> 00:16:36,229 his son should be with him. 667 00:16:33,393 --> 00:16:36,229 - It was just bad. 668 00:16:36,262 --> 00:16:41,201 I mean, he-he was sobbing, 669 00:16:36,262 --> 00:16:41,201 and we just hugged and cried. 670 00:16:41,234 --> 00:16:44,871 - Marty Wonderlin, 671 00:16:41,234 --> 00:16:44,871 working his first homicide, 672 00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:47,440 was the first deputy 673 00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:47,440 to speak to Seth. 674 00:16:47,474 --> 00:16:49,750 How's that go? 675 00:16:47,474 --> 00:16:49,750 - You know, 676 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:50,643 I asked him 677 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:50,643 what happened. 678 00:16:55,648 --> 00:16:58,118 - Through the overwrought 679 00:16:55,648 --> 00:16:58,118 husband's sobbing, 680 00:16:58,151 --> 00:17:00,620 a story 681 00:16:58,151 --> 00:17:00,620 started to emerge. 682 00:17:00,653 --> 00:17:03,230 - He basically tells me 683 00:17:00,653 --> 00:17:03,230 that he was in the shower, 684 00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:06,226 gettin' ready to go to work, 685 00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:06,226 and he hears a gun go off. 686 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,845 - So, there's been 687 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,845 some sort of an intruder. 688 00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:27,247 - Yeah, that's what 689 00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:27,247 he's telling me, 690 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,816 that someone came in 691 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,816 while he was in the shower, 692 00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:33,219 shot Lisa, and ran away 693 00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:33,219 before he could catch him. 694 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,696 - Lisa's father, Todd, 695 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,696 thought he'd figured it out 696 00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:44,330 and already had a suspect. 697 00:17:50,437 --> 00:17:52,739 - Todd's rage was directed 698 00:17:50,437 --> 00:17:52,739 at the neighbor 699 00:17:52,772 --> 00:17:55,675 on the other side of the fence 700 00:17:52,772 --> 00:17:55,675 topped with barbed wire, 701 00:17:55,709 --> 00:18:00,313 a 56-year-old disabled 702 00:17:55,709 --> 00:18:00,313 Army veteran named Brian Tate. 703 00:18:00,347 --> 00:18:02,682 - I just remember saying, 704 00:18:00,347 --> 00:18:02,682 "Go get him. Go get him, now." 705 00:18:02,716 --> 00:18:05,218 And I thought they better 706 00:18:02,716 --> 00:18:05,218 get to him before I do. 707 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:08,288 - Brian Tate had been 708 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:08,288 embroiled in an escalating feud 709 00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:10,390 with his neighbors, 710 00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:10,390 Lisa and Seth. 711 00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:12,859 Todd knew all about it 712 00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:12,859 and was certain 713 00:18:12,892 --> 00:18:15,295 his daughter was now dead 714 00:18:12,892 --> 00:18:15,295 because of it. 715 00:18:15,328 --> 00:18:17,300 This is this culmination 716 00:18:15,328 --> 00:18:17,300 of bad blood 717 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:18,131 that's been going on 718 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:18,131 for a month's time 719 00:18:18,164 --> 00:18:19,332 or more now, huh? 720 00:18:18,164 --> 00:18:19,332 - Right. 721 00:18:19,366 --> 00:18:22,402 - It started about two months 722 00:18:19,366 --> 00:18:22,402 before the murder. 723 00:18:22,435 --> 00:18:24,370 Seth pulled a dead deer 724 00:18:24,370 --> 00:18:26,339 off the road along 725 00:18:24,370 --> 00:18:26,339 the property line. 726 00:18:26,373 --> 00:18:29,609 Brian Tate later tossed 727 00:18:26,373 --> 00:18:29,609 the hide onto Seth's property. 728 00:18:29,642 --> 00:18:32,679 Seth tossed it back, 729 00:18:29,642 --> 00:18:32,679 and the battle was on. 730 00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:34,681 Tate made several calls 731 00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:34,681 to the county 732 00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:37,550 complaining about nasty acts 733 00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:37,550 of vandalism. 734 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:40,520 - Todd Caldwell 735 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:40,520 responded to one in April, 736 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:43,390 and Tate pointed the finger 737 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:43,390 at his young neighbor. 738 00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:57,704 - Now, this guy, Brian Tate, 739 00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:57,704 does he know 740 00:18:57,737 --> 00:19:00,373 that you're the father-in-law 741 00:18:57,737 --> 00:19:00,373 of the neighbor? 742 00:19:00,407 --> 00:19:02,208 - No, and I don't wanna 743 00:19:00,407 --> 00:19:02,208 tell him that 744 00:19:02,242 --> 00:19:04,711 because I don't want 745 00:19:02,242 --> 00:19:04,711 that to affect 746 00:19:04,744 --> 00:19:07,347 maybe what he does 747 00:19:04,744 --> 00:19:07,347 or doesn't do. 748 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:08,348 - And he thinks that's 749 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:08,348 the source 750 00:19:08,381 --> 00:19:09,549 of his trouble. 751 00:19:08,381 --> 00:19:09,549 - Right. 752 00:19:09,582 --> 00:19:11,151 - Those people over 753 00:19:09,582 --> 00:19:11,151 in the trailer property 754 00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:12,686 across the way. 755 00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:12,686 - Yeah. 756 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:23,290 - Brian Tate told Todd 757 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:23,290 that dog feces 758 00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:25,331 and rocks had been 759 00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:25,331 hurled at his home. 760 00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:27,734 He then showed 761 00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:27,734 Todd the evidence. 762 00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:31,438 He described the vandalism 763 00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:31,438 of his home in stark terms. 764 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:35,410 - He says that he thinks 765 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:35,410 these are acts of terrorism 766 00:19:35,410 --> 00:19:37,944 and, um, you know, 767 00:19:35,410 --> 00:19:37,944 kind of a-a bell goes off. 768 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,480 Like, terrorism is kind of 769 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,480 a-a weird word to use. 770 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,510 And the whole time, 771 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,510 half the time, I guess, 772 00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:47,954 he's sitting there, he's-- 773 00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:47,954 I-I notice a-a shotgun 774 00:19:48,540 --> 00:19:49,589 laying on the ground, 775 00:19:49,622 --> 00:19:51,458 you know, 776 00:19:49,622 --> 00:19:51,458 and I'm, like, going, 777 00:19:51,491 --> 00:19:52,492 that makes me feel 778 00:19:51,491 --> 00:19:52,492 a little uneasy. 779 00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:53,460 - Does that make you 780 00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:53,460 a little twitchy, huh? 781 00:19:53,493 --> 00:19:54,728 - Yeah. 782 00:19:53,493 --> 00:19:54,728 Yeah, exactly. 783 00:19:54,761 --> 00:19:57,130 - So twitchy that Todd 784 00:19:54,761 --> 00:19:57,130 sent a heads-up email 785 00:19:57,163 --> 00:19:59,432 warning fellow deputies 786 00:19:57,163 --> 00:19:59,432 about Tate, 787 00:19:59,466 --> 00:20:01,201 that he might 788 00:19:59,466 --> 00:20:01,201 be dangerous. 789 00:20:01,234 --> 00:20:03,203 - I'm thinking 790 00:20:01,234 --> 00:20:03,203 I don't wanna be the reason 791 00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:05,572 a deputy goes out there 792 00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:05,572 and gets hurt. 793 00:20:05,605 --> 00:20:07,540 Okay, well, if you 794 00:20:05,605 --> 00:20:07,540 go out there, be careful. 795 00:20:07,574 --> 00:20:12,212 Tate might be 1096, which means 796 00:20:07,574 --> 00:20:12,212 mentally, you know, challenged. 797 00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:15,248 - In fact, Tate did have 798 00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:15,248 a history of mental illness. 799 00:20:15,281 --> 00:20:18,318 He'd been diagnosed 800 00:20:15,281 --> 00:20:18,318 as a paranoid schizophrenic. 801 00:20:18,351 --> 00:20:21,221 Seth's mother, Lorraine, 802 00:20:18,351 --> 00:20:21,221 a social worker used 803 00:20:21,254 --> 00:20:23,990 to dealing with mental patients, 804 00:20:21,254 --> 00:20:23,990 was worried and talked 805 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,693 to both Seth and Lisa 806 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,693 about their neighbor. 807 00:20:26,726 --> 00:20:27,794 - She was terrified. 808 00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:29,529 This was when things 809 00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:29,529 were escalating. 810 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:32,165 They thought that they could, 811 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:32,165 you know, handle whatever, 812 00:20:32,198 --> 00:20:34,868 and, um, but 813 00:20:32,198 --> 00:20:34,868 they-they were fearful. 814 00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:37,170 I was fearful. 815 00:20:37,203 --> 00:20:40,774 - On May 15, 2012, 816 00:20:37,203 --> 00:20:40,774 just 11 days before 817 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:45,211 Lisa was killed, an agitated 818 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:45,211 Tate made another call 819 00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:47,714 complaining that the vandalism, 820 00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:47,714 the terrorism, 821 00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:49,150 was getting worse. 822 00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:51,418 Todd responded, again, 823 00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:51,418 this time accompanied 824 00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:53,319 by then Deputy 825 00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:53,319 Don Phillips. 826 00:21:06,332 --> 00:21:07,567 - Did you think 827 00:21:06,332 --> 00:21:07,567 he was a risk? 828 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,735 - Yeah, I did. 829 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:10,270 - That this is a guy who was 830 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:10,270 capable of flipping out. 831 00:21:10,303 --> 00:21:11,671 - I-I did. 832 00:21:10,303 --> 00:21:11,671 I did. 833 00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:14,574 - And now, Lisa was dead, 834 00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:14,574 and the trailer was 835 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,643 a crime scene. 836 00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:19,790 Marty Wonderlin, the first 837 00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:19,790 deputy at the scene, 838 00:21:19,790 --> 00:21:22,449 already knew all about 839 00:21:19,790 --> 00:21:22,449 Brian Tate and had zeroed in 840 00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:25,685 on him as his candidate 841 00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:25,685 for prime suspect. 842 00:21:25,719 --> 00:21:27,887 So, all the direction is 843 00:21:25,719 --> 00:21:27,887 heading across the fence 844 00:21:27,921 --> 00:21:29,622 to this guy whose 845 00:21:27,921 --> 00:21:29,622 name is Brian Tate. 846 00:21:29,656 --> 00:21:30,890 - It is. 847 00:21:30,924 --> 00:21:34,928 - And police decided it was time 848 00:21:30,924 --> 00:21:34,928 to pay a visit to Tate. 849 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:37,897 They armored up and got out 850 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:37,897 their long guns, 851 00:21:37,931 --> 00:21:40,200 not knowing what their 852 00:21:37,931 --> 00:21:40,200 suspect might do. 853 00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:43,503 - If you're ballsy enough 854 00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:43,503 to break into a house 855 00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:47,107 and shoot Lisa and, you know, 856 00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:47,107 make it back out, 857 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:50,877 you're ballsy enough to do 858 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:50,877 just about anything. 859 00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:52,746 - Coming up... 860 00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:54,814 Cops confront 861 00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:54,814 their man. 862 00:21:54,848 --> 00:21:56,583 - I had my rifle out, 863 00:21:54,848 --> 00:21:56,583 locked and loaded. 864 00:21:56,616 --> 00:21:59,686 - When "Dateline: 865 00:21:56,616 --> 00:21:59,686 Secrets Uncovered" continues. 866 00:22:07,927 --> 00:22:10,563 Welcome back to 867 00:22:07,927 --> 00:22:10,563 "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 868 00:22:10,597 --> 00:22:11,598 I'm Kate Snow. 869 00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:14,768 Police investigating the murder 870 00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:14,768 of Lisa Techel 871 00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:16,836 believed a growing feud 872 00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:16,836 with a neighbor 873 00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:19,839 could hold the secret 874 00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:19,839 to her killer's identity. 875 00:22:19,873 --> 00:22:23,610 Brian Tate, a military veteran, 876 00:22:19,873 --> 00:22:23,610 had accused Lisa's husband, 877 00:22:23,643 --> 00:22:25,278 Seth, of vandalism. 878 00:22:25,311 --> 00:22:27,614 Deputies, armed 879 00:22:25,311 --> 00:22:27,614 and on high alert, 880 00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:31,284 were about to pay Tate a visit, 881 00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:31,284 leading to a twist 882 00:22:31,317 --> 00:22:32,919 no one expected. 883 00:22:32,952 --> 00:22:36,356 Back to Dennis Murphy 884 00:22:32,952 --> 00:22:36,356 with "Before Dawn." 885 00:22:40,326 --> 00:22:43,329 - On the Main Street 886 00:22:40,326 --> 00:22:43,329 of tiny Agency, Iowa, 887 00:22:43,363 --> 00:22:45,331 bad news traveled fast. 888 00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:49,235 A pregnant woman was dead, 889 00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:49,235 and a gunman was on the loose. 890 00:22:49,269 --> 00:22:52,105 Just as quickly, 891 00:22:49,269 --> 00:22:52,105 fear took to roost. 892 00:22:52,105 --> 00:22:54,374 - The 23-year-old reserve 893 00:22:52,105 --> 00:22:54,374 sheriff's deputy was shot 894 00:22:54,407 --> 00:22:56,810 and killed at her home 895 00:22:54,407 --> 00:22:56,810 in the town of Agency. 896 00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,845 She was five months 897 00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,845 pregnant. 898 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:03,183 - Lisa's murder was the first 899 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:03,183 in the farm town in 15 years. 900 00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:06,820 Deputy Don Phillips, seen here 901 00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:06,820 un spooling crime scene tape, 902 00:23:06,853 --> 00:23:09,622 had a personal stake 903 00:23:06,853 --> 00:23:09,622 in cracking the case. 904 00:23:09,656 --> 00:23:12,492 Lisa's dad was one 905 00:23:09,656 --> 00:23:12,492 of his best friends. 906 00:23:12,525 --> 00:23:14,194 - Todd and I began 907 00:23:12,525 --> 00:23:14,194 the same year 908 00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:15,929 at the sheriff's office 909 00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:15,929 together. 910 00:23:15,962 --> 00:23:18,131 I'd watched, 911 00:23:15,962 --> 00:23:18,131 uh, Lisa grow up. 912 00:23:18,164 --> 00:23:21,670 I just reassured him 913 00:23:18,164 --> 00:23:21,670 that we'll figure this out. 914 00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:22,535 We'll find out 915 00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:22,535 who did this. 916 00:23:22,569 --> 00:23:24,471 - So, whatever has happened 917 00:23:22,569 --> 00:23:24,471 here, is really within 918 00:23:24,504 --> 00:23:27,474 your family, the law enforcement 919 00:23:24,504 --> 00:23:27,474 family in the county. 920 00:23:27,507 --> 00:23:29,309 - Correct. 921 00:23:27,507 --> 00:23:29,309 We're a small sheriff's office. 922 00:23:29,342 --> 00:23:30,410 We know everybody. 923 00:23:30,443 --> 00:23:34,280 We know each other's kids 924 00:23:30,443 --> 00:23:34,280 and-and extended families. 925 00:23:34,314 --> 00:23:35,915 - And they also knew 926 00:23:34,314 --> 00:23:35,915 something about 927 00:23:35,949 --> 00:23:38,284 that guy next door, 928 00:23:35,949 --> 00:23:38,284 Brian Tate. 929 00:23:38,318 --> 00:23:41,388 Ever since the first deputies 930 00:23:38,318 --> 00:23:41,388 arrived at sunrise, 931 00:23:41,421 --> 00:23:44,224 they'd been peeking 932 00:23:41,421 --> 00:23:44,224 across the barbed wire. 933 00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:47,193 Just how dangerous was 934 00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:47,193 this fussing neighbor? 935 00:23:47,227 --> 00:23:50,764 Were they another shotgun 936 00:23:47,227 --> 00:23:50,764 blast away from finding out? 937 00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:54,100 At 1 that afternoon, 8 938 00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:54,100 hours after Lisa was shot, 939 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:56,836 Deputy Phillips and a team 940 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:56,836 of investigators 941 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:58,938 were ready to confront 942 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:58,938 the neighbor. 943 00:23:58,972 --> 00:24:00,240 So, the decision 944 00:23:58,972 --> 00:24:00,240 is made. 945 00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:01,408 We gotta talk 946 00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:01,408 to Brian Tate. 947 00:24:01,441 --> 00:24:03,643 - Yes, he was definitely 948 00:24:01,441 --> 00:24:03,643 a person of interest 949 00:24:03,677 --> 00:24:06,112 that we need 950 00:24:03,677 --> 00:24:06,112 to go talk to. 951 00:24:06,146 --> 00:24:07,347 - Did you put 952 00:24:06,146 --> 00:24:07,347 your body armor on? 953 00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:09,482 - Yes, I did. 954 00:24:09,516 --> 00:24:10,950 - Marty Wonderlin did, too. 955 00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:13,920 He was preparing for anything, 956 00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:13,920 even a shootout. 957 00:24:13,953 --> 00:24:15,288 - We got strapped up. 958 00:24:15,321 --> 00:24:17,557 We're already ready 959 00:24:15,321 --> 00:24:17,557 for business. 960 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:20,193 - Marty was in the backup car 961 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:20,193 while Deputy Phillips 962 00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:22,662 and a partner drew a line 963 00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:22,662 of fire detail, 964 00:24:22,696 --> 00:24:25,765 approaching Brian Tate 965 00:24:22,696 --> 00:24:25,765 for an interview. 966 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:27,670 - He's our prime suspect. 967 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,369 It's very possible, 968 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,369 in all of our minds, 969 00:24:29,402 --> 00:24:31,838 that he just shot 970 00:24:29,402 --> 00:24:31,838 and killed Lisa. 971 00:24:31,871 --> 00:24:34,674 - As the Phillips team walks 972 00:24:31,871 --> 00:24:34,674 slowly up to the Tate house, 973 00:24:34,708 --> 00:24:35,675 Marty and the chief deputy 974 00:24:34,708 --> 00:24:35,675 provided cover in the driveway. 975 00:24:35,709 --> 00:24:41,810 - I had my-my rifle out, 976 00:24:35,709 --> 00:24:41,810 locked and loaded. 977 00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:42,449 Had the red dot 978 00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:42,449 turned on. 979 00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:46,753 If things popped off, 980 00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:46,753 we were ready. 981 00:24:46,786 --> 00:24:50,290 - Nerves screaming, everyone 982 00:24:46,786 --> 00:24:50,290 was poised for battle, 983 00:24:50,323 --> 00:24:52,892 everyone but, it turned out, 984 00:24:50,323 --> 00:24:52,892 Brian Tate. 985 00:24:52,926 --> 00:24:56,629 He wasn't armed 986 00:24:52,926 --> 00:24:56,629 or belligerent. 987 00:24:56,663 --> 00:24:57,697 They could all exhale. 988 00:24:57,731 --> 00:24:58,965 - As we walked up there, 989 00:24:57,731 --> 00:24:58,965 he was accommodating. 990 00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:00,333 Got some chairs 991 00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:00,333 out for us. 992 00:25:00,367 --> 00:25:01,468 - This Brian Tate, huh? 993 00:25:01,501 --> 00:25:03,690 - Brian-Brian did, 994 00:25:01,501 --> 00:25:03,690 and we sat down in his, 995 00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:07,240 uh, front yard. 996 00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:09,109 - In the front yard, 997 00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:09,109 in lawn chairs, 998 00:25:09,142 --> 00:25:12,445 his mother and brother by 999 00:25:09,142 --> 00:25:12,445 his side, no shotgun in sight. 1000 00:25:12,479 --> 00:25:14,881 So, the cops turned on 1001 00:25:12,479 --> 00:25:14,881 a recorder and started 1002 00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:16,349 asking questions. 1003 00:25:16,383 --> 00:25:19,119 So, you asked him, 1004 00:25:16,383 --> 00:25:19,119 "5 a.m., where were you," huh? 1005 00:25:19,152 --> 00:25:20,220 - Yes. 1006 00:25:20,253 --> 00:25:22,422 - He said he was in bed 1007 00:25:20,253 --> 00:25:22,422 in his basement bedroom, 1008 00:25:22,455 --> 00:25:24,891 sleeping off a higher dose 1009 00:25:22,455 --> 00:25:24,891 of medication 1010 00:25:24,924 --> 00:25:26,526 for his schizophrenia. 1011 00:25:35,969 --> 00:25:37,637 - He said he was still asleep 1012 00:25:35,969 --> 00:25:37,637 when the shooting 1013 00:25:37,671 --> 00:25:39,372 must have happened 1014 00:25:37,671 --> 00:25:39,372 before dawn. 1015 00:25:39,406 --> 00:25:43,760 Tate's mother corroborated 1016 00:25:39,406 --> 00:25:43,760 his 15-hour sleep alibi, 1017 00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:45,111 though the cops knew full well 1018 00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:45,111 that mothers can 1019 00:25:45,145 --> 00:25:47,800 often be bias witnesses. 1020 00:25:57,290 --> 00:26:00,393 - Guard duty, the ex-military 1021 00:25:57,290 --> 00:26:00,393 man called himself 1022 00:26:00,427 --> 00:26:02,562 a sergeant major 1023 00:26:00,427 --> 00:26:02,562 and walked the picket 1024 00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:05,765 on his property line, vigilant 1025 00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:05,765 ever since his property 1026 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:07,834 had been littered 1027 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:07,834 with dog feces, 1028 00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:10,837 his barn pelted 1029 00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:10,837 with rocks. 1030 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:13,540 Deputy Don Phillips knew 1031 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:13,540 all about the vandalism 1032 00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:15,108 complaint Tate had filed. 1033 00:26:15,141 --> 00:26:17,577 He and Todd Caldwell 1034 00:26:15,141 --> 00:26:17,577 were the deputies 1035 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:21,247 who'd responded to Tate's house 1036 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:21,247 just 11 days earlier. 1037 00:26:21,281 --> 00:26:23,783 They downplayed his complaints 1038 00:26:21,281 --> 00:26:23,783 then and thought 1039 00:26:23,817 --> 00:26:25,752 he was a crank 1040 00:26:23,817 --> 00:26:25,752 off his meds. 1041 00:27:02,489 --> 00:27:04,900 - After venting about 1042 00:27:02,489 --> 00:27:04,900 the vandalism, 1043 00:27:04,124 --> 00:27:06,393 the 40-minute interview 1044 00:27:04,124 --> 00:27:06,393 was over, 1045 00:27:06,426 --> 00:27:08,294 but investigators 1046 00:27:06,426 --> 00:27:08,294 weren't done. 1047 00:27:08,328 --> 00:27:10,697 They'd be back 1048 00:27:08,328 --> 00:27:10,697 to question Tate again. 1049 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:11,798 So, what'd you think you had 1050 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:11,798 when you get back 1051 00:27:11,831 --> 00:27:12,732 in your vehicle? 1052 00:27:12,766 --> 00:27:16,360 - We still had a whodunit 1053 00:27:12,766 --> 00:27:16,360 in our mind. 1054 00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:19,506 - But Lisa's step mom and sister 1055 00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:19,506 had no doubts whatsoever. 1056 00:27:19,539 --> 00:27:22,475 - I thought it was 1057 00:27:19,539 --> 00:27:22,475 Brian Tate. 1058 00:27:22,509 --> 00:27:25,780 - But investigators knew 1059 00:27:22,509 --> 00:27:25,780 they still had to talk 1060 00:27:25,111 --> 00:27:26,146 to the husband. 1061 00:27:26,179 --> 00:27:28,615 When agents scheduled 1062 00:27:26,179 --> 00:27:28,615 an official interview 1063 00:27:28,648 --> 00:27:31,151 with Seth for that same day, 1064 00:27:28,648 --> 00:27:31,151 the would be cop knew 1065 00:27:31,184 --> 00:27:33,787 the spouse had to be 1066 00:27:31,184 --> 00:27:33,787 ruled out. 1067 00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:35,955 He said he was eager 1068 00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:35,955 to get crossed off 1069 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,957 the suspect list as 1070 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,957 soon as possible. 1071 00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:41,227 So, he went downtown 1072 00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:41,227 and instructed his parents 1073 00:27:41,261 --> 00:27:42,762 no lawyers. 1074 00:27:42,796 --> 00:27:45,532 - I remember saying, 1075 00:27:42,796 --> 00:27:45,532 "Do we need to go get a lawyer? 1076 00:27:45,565 --> 00:27:46,633 - He was adamant. 1077 00:27:45,565 --> 00:27:46,633 He said, "no." 1078 00:27:46,666 --> 00:27:47,500 - He said, 1079 00:27:46,666 --> 00:27:47,500 "I didn't do anything." 1080 00:27:47,534 --> 00:27:48,401 He said, "I--" 1081 00:27:48,435 --> 00:27:49,302 - He said, "I have 1082 00:27:48,435 --> 00:27:49,302 nothing to hide." 1083 00:27:49,336 --> 00:27:51,338 - Yeah. 1084 00:27:49,336 --> 00:27:51,338 "I-I don't need a lawyer." 1085 00:27:51,371 --> 00:27:56,343 [Inaudible] 1086 00:27:56,376 --> 00:27:57,711 - Was that a mistake? 1087 00:27:57,744 --> 00:28:00,800 Seth had told his story to 1088 00:27:57,744 --> 00:28:00,800 one familiar face 1089 00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:03,249 after another at the scene, 1090 00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:03,249 but now he'd be talking 1091 00:28:03,283 --> 00:28:06,190 to an elite 1092 00:28:03,283 --> 00:28:06,190 state interrogator. 1093 00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:07,220 - Over here please. 1094 00:28:07,253 --> 00:28:09,550 - And the tone 1095 00:28:07,253 --> 00:28:09,550 of the investigation 1096 00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:10,557 was about to change. 1097 00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:12,759 [Inaudible] 1098 00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:14,694 - Coming up... 1099 00:28:14,728 --> 00:28:18,310 - Deputies learn that Seth 1100 00:28:14,728 --> 00:28:18,310 may be hiding something. 1101 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:20,133 - I told 'em that Seth 1102 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:20,133 had a Tracfone. 1103 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:21,301 - So, kind of a secret phone, 1104 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:21,301 huh? 1105 00:28:21,334 --> 00:28:22,402 - Yeah. 1106 00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:25,138 - When "Dateline: 1107 00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:25,138 Secrets Uncovered" continues. 1108 00:28:34,814 --> 00:28:38,510 - Todd and Amy returned home, 1109 00:28:34,814 --> 00:28:38,510 destroyed, 1110 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,652 and the longest day 1111 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,652 of their lives 1112 00:28:39,686 --> 00:28:41,221 wasn't even half over. 1113 00:28:41,254 --> 00:28:45,910 - My remaining kids, I know 1114 00:28:41,254 --> 00:28:45,910 they're gonna be horrified, 1115 00:28:45,125 --> 00:28:48,928 and I don't even think 1116 00:28:45,125 --> 00:28:48,928 about myself, at that point. 1117 00:28:48,962 --> 00:28:51,264 - But Todd was thinking 1118 00:28:48,962 --> 00:28:51,264 about the son-in-law 1119 00:28:51,297 --> 00:28:53,990 he loved like 1120 00:28:51,297 --> 00:28:53,990 his own boy. 1121 00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:56,102 Seth had agreed to go downtown 1122 00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:56,102 for a formal interview 1123 00:28:56,136 --> 00:28:57,470 without a lawyer. 1124 00:28:57,504 --> 00:29:00,740 By now, the county deputies 1125 00:28:57,504 --> 00:29:00,740 had called in state agents 1126 00:29:00,774 --> 00:29:04,844 from the DCI, Iowa's Division 1127 00:29:00,774 --> 00:29:04,844 of Criminal Investigation. 1128 00:29:04,878 --> 00:29:07,414 It became a shared 1129 00:29:04,878 --> 00:29:07,414 investigation. 1130 00:29:07,447 --> 00:29:11,840 The DCI providing forensic 1131 00:29:07,447 --> 00:29:11,840 resources and expertise. 1132 00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:14,554 The deputies offering 1133 00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:14,554 local knowledge and manpower. 1134 00:29:14,587 --> 00:29:17,590 DCI's Tony Birmingham 1135 00:29:14,587 --> 00:29:17,590 was lead agent. 1136 00:29:17,624 --> 00:29:21,327 He handpicked fellow agent, 1137 00:29:17,624 --> 00:29:21,327 Chris Thomas, to interview Seth. 1138 00:29:21,361 --> 00:29:22,796 - There was no doubt 1139 00:29:21,361 --> 00:29:22,796 in my mind that Chris 1140 00:29:22,829 --> 00:29:25,310 was the person that-that needed 1141 00:29:22,829 --> 00:29:25,310 to do that interview. 1142 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:28,702 - We only get one shot at it, 1143 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:28,702 and we have to be prepared 1144 00:29:28,735 --> 00:29:31,671 for this to be just 1145 00:29:28,735 --> 00:29:31,671 information collecting, 1146 00:29:31,705 --> 00:29:35,275 or we have to be prepared that 1147 00:29:31,705 --> 00:29:35,275 this could be our s-suspect. 1148 00:29:35,308 --> 00:29:38,244 - So, only eight hours after 1149 00:29:35,308 --> 00:29:38,244 his pregnant wife was murdered, 1150 00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:42,515 Seth's formal interview with DCI 1151 00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:42,515 Agent Thomas got underway. 1152 00:29:49,522 --> 00:29:51,524 - In the interview room, 1153 00:29:49,522 --> 00:29:51,524 Agent Thomas was 1154 00:29:51,558 --> 00:29:53,593 in the white shirt, 1155 00:29:51,558 --> 00:29:53,593 back to the camera. 1156 00:29:53,626 --> 00:29:57,163 To put Seth more at ease, 1157 00:29:53,626 --> 00:29:57,163 a deputy familiar to him 1158 00:29:57,197 --> 00:29:57,697 sat him. 1159 00:29:58,164 --> 00:30:00,660 It started routinely. 1160 00:30:08,575 --> 00:30:10,543 - Seth had already given 1161 00:30:08,575 --> 00:30:10,543 his account twice 1162 00:30:10,577 --> 00:30:13,813 to deputies at the scene, 1163 00:30:10,577 --> 00:30:13,813 but this would be his first time 1164 00:30:13,847 --> 00:30:15,382 on videotape. 1165 00:30:15,415 --> 00:30:17,550 His story begins somewhere 1166 00:30:15,415 --> 00:30:17,550 around 5 a.m. 1167 00:30:17,584 --> 00:30:18,418 - Exactly. 1168 00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:27,927 - He said he thought 1169 00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:27,927 it might be a gunshot, 1170 00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:30,997 so he jumped out of the shower 1171 00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:30,997 to check on Lisa. 1172 00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:33,900 He heard her moaning then 1173 00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:33,900 made out another sound 1174 00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:37,300 coming from possibly 1175 00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:37,300 the back deck. 1176 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:40,240 He said he grabbed his handgun 1177 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:40,240 from the nightstand by the bed. 1178 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:59,292 - During the interview, 1179 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:59,292 Seth sometimes seemed 1180 00:30:59,325 --> 00:31:00,827 overcome by emotion. 1181 00:31:15,575 --> 00:31:18,111 - The agent asked Seth 1182 00:31:15,575 --> 00:31:18,111 what he thought had happened. 1183 00:31:36,863 --> 00:31:39,132 - Seth then bolstered 1184 00:31:36,863 --> 00:31:39,132 the cops' leading theory 1185 00:31:39,165 --> 00:31:41,701 of the crime, so far, 1186 00:31:39,165 --> 00:31:41,701 that the neighbor, 1187 00:31:41,735 --> 00:31:43,503 Brian Tate, 1188 00:31:41,735 --> 00:31:43,503 had shot Lisa. 1189 00:31:51,444 --> 00:31:53,913 - Seth went into detail 1190 00:31:51,444 --> 00:31:53,913 about that juvenile 1191 00:31:53,947 --> 00:31:57,617 tit for tat dispute with Tate 1192 00:31:53,947 --> 00:31:57,617 that started over a deer hide. 1193 00:31:57,650 --> 00:32:00,220 He suspected Tate 1194 00:31:57,650 --> 00:32:00,220 tossed it over the fence, 1195 00:32:00,253 --> 00:32:02,689 so he said he responded 1196 00:32:00,253 --> 00:32:02,689 in kind. 1197 00:32:08,161 --> 00:32:10,630 - The dispute escalated 1198 00:32:08,161 --> 00:32:10,630 for several weeks 1199 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:12,732 and intensified with 1200 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:12,732 the incident in which Tate 1201 00:32:12,766 --> 00:32:16,603 claimed dog feces and rocks 1202 00:32:12,766 --> 00:32:16,603 were thrown onto his property. 1203 00:32:16,636 --> 00:32:18,605 That brought Seth's 1204 00:32:16,636 --> 00:32:18,605 father-in-law, 1205 00:32:18,638 --> 00:32:21,141 Deputy Todd Caldwell, 1206 00:32:18,638 --> 00:32:21,141 out to Tate's house 1207 00:32:21,174 --> 00:32:24,411 for that official visit over 1208 00:32:21,174 --> 00:32:24,411 Tate's vandalism complaint. 1209 00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:33,119 - Seth said he knew the tenor 1210 00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:33,119 of the visit 1211 00:32:33,153 --> 00:32:35,221 because Todd had 1212 00:32:33,153 --> 00:32:35,221 filled him in later. 1213 00:32:35,255 --> 00:32:38,558 His father-in-law also gave 1214 00:32:35,255 --> 00:32:38,558 him a strong warning. 1215 00:32:55,842 --> 00:32:57,711 - The murder weapon 1216 00:32:55,842 --> 00:32:57,711 hadn't been found, 1217 00:32:57,744 --> 00:33:00,280 so the state agent asked Seth 1218 00:32:57,744 --> 00:33:00,280 about the firearms 1219 00:33:00,313 --> 00:33:01,748 he kept in the trailer. 1220 00:33:01,781 --> 00:33:03,416 Maybe one of those 1221 00:33:01,781 --> 00:33:03,416 had been used. 1222 00:33:08,555 --> 00:33:10,790 - If one of those guns 1223 00:33:08,555 --> 00:33:10,790 is used in the homicide, 1224 00:33:10,824 --> 00:33:13,590 we wanna know 1225 00:33:10,824 --> 00:33:13,590 where it's at. 1226 00:33:14,861 --> 00:33:18,331 - So, I just asked him 1227 00:33:14,861 --> 00:33:18,331 to write down the guns 1228 00:33:18,365 --> 00:33:22,569 that are in his house, 1229 00:33:18,365 --> 00:33:22,569 and he writes 'em all down. 1230 00:33:22,602 --> 00:33:25,105 - Inevitably, the agent 1231 00:33:22,602 --> 00:33:25,105 turned to the sharp-edged 1232 00:33:25,138 --> 00:33:27,574 intrusive questions 1233 00:33:25,138 --> 00:33:27,574 that all husbands 1234 00:33:27,607 --> 00:33:29,776 with a murdered wife 1235 00:33:27,607 --> 00:33:29,776 have to answer. 1236 00:33:29,809 --> 00:33:32,879 Wannabe cop that he was, 1237 00:33:29,809 --> 00:33:32,879 Seth knew very well 1238 00:33:32,912 --> 00:33:33,980 what was coming. 1239 00:33:51,297 --> 00:33:54,501 - Seth didn't hesitate. 1240 00:33:51,297 --> 00:33:54,501 There were no other women. 1241 00:33:54,534 --> 00:33:56,703 But out at the trailer, 1242 00:33:54,534 --> 00:33:56,703 quite unexpectedly, 1243 00:33:56,736 --> 00:34:00,607 someone was about to put the lie 1244 00:33:56,736 --> 00:34:00,607 to that rosy marital picture. 1245 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,209 A good friend of Seth's 1246 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,209 named Colton had walked up 1247 00:34:03,243 --> 00:34:05,245 to the crime scene tape 1248 00:34:03,243 --> 00:34:05,245 at the drive. 1249 00:34:05,278 --> 00:34:08,480 He told the deputies and agents 1250 00:34:05,278 --> 00:34:08,480 there that he was looking 1251 00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:11,840 to pick up his puppy that Seth 1252 00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:11,840 had been boarding for him. 1253 00:34:11,117 --> 00:34:13,485 The investigators began 1254 00:34:11,117 --> 00:34:13,485 peppering the young friend 1255 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,889 for info about 1256 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,889 Seth and Lisa. 1257 00:34:15,922 --> 00:34:18,824 A detail that tumbled out 1258 00:34:15,922 --> 00:34:18,824 surprised them. 1259 00:34:18,858 --> 00:34:20,627 What was the story 1260 00:34:18,858 --> 00:34:20,627 you told 'em, Colton? 1261 00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:23,228 - I told 'em that 1262 00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:23,228 Seth had a Tracfone. 1263 00:34:23,263 --> 00:34:24,664 - So, kind of 1264 00:34:23,263 --> 00:34:24,664 a secret phone, huh? 1265 00:34:24,697 --> 00:34:25,632 - Yeah. 1266 00:34:25,665 --> 00:34:28,802 He had been talking 1267 00:34:25,665 --> 00:34:28,802 to a girl. 1268 00:34:28,835 --> 00:34:31,871 - The investigators had no idea 1269 00:34:28,835 --> 00:34:31,871 where this would lead, 1270 00:34:31,905 --> 00:34:34,607 but the unexpected revelation 1271 00:34:31,905 --> 00:34:34,607 that there might be 1272 00:34:34,641 --> 00:34:37,577 a girlfriend in the mix 1273 00:34:34,641 --> 00:34:37,577 meant that they had to get 1274 00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:41,810 on the horn with Agent Thomas 1275 00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:41,810 downtown and pronto. 1276 00:34:41,114 --> 00:34:43,283 Seth was still in 1277 00:34:41,114 --> 00:34:43,283 the interview chair, 1278 00:34:43,315 --> 00:34:46,152 but he could walk 1279 00:34:43,315 --> 00:34:46,152 at any moment. 1280 00:34:46,186 --> 00:34:48,880 - Coming up... 1281 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,156 More about Seth's 1282 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,156 secret phone-- 1283 00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:52,625 seems it wasn't 1284 00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:52,625 just for talking. 1285 00:34:52,659 --> 00:34:55,495 - Did he tell you, "She sent me 1286 00:34:52,659 --> 00:34:55,495 some topless pictures?" 1287 00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:56,629 - Yes. 1288 00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:56,629 - Did you see them? 1289 00:34:56,663 --> 00:34:57,764 - Yes. 1290 00:34:57,797 --> 00:35:01,167 - When "Dateline: 1291 00:34:57,797 --> 00:35:01,167 Secrets Uncovered" continues. 1292 00:35:09,609 --> 00:35:12,846 - Seth Techel had gone 1293 00:35:09,609 --> 00:35:12,846 downtown voluntarily, 1294 00:35:12,879 --> 00:35:14,881 but now his interview 1295 00:35:12,879 --> 00:35:14,881 had dragged on 1296 00:35:14,914 --> 00:35:16,316 for a couple of hours. 1297 00:35:16,349 --> 00:35:19,219 His father grew concerned, 1298 00:35:16,349 --> 00:35:19,219 so he called in a lawyer 1299 00:35:19,252 --> 00:35:22,188 who said he would bring 1300 00:35:19,252 --> 00:35:22,188 the questioning to a halt. 1301 00:35:22,222 --> 00:35:24,224 - And we had called 1302 00:35:22,222 --> 00:35:24,224 the sheriff's office and said, 1303 00:35:24,257 --> 00:35:27,460 "We have a lawyer waiting 1304 00:35:24,257 --> 00:35:27,460 to go see Seth." 1305 00:35:27,494 --> 00:35:29,529 - But inside the sheriff's 1306 00:35:27,494 --> 00:35:29,529 interview room, 1307 00:35:29,562 --> 00:35:31,398 Seth kept talking away. 1308 00:35:31,431 --> 00:35:34,267 He was oblivious to the fact 1309 00:35:31,431 --> 00:35:34,267 that the interrogator 1310 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:36,970 confronting him was getting 1311 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:36,970 real time bulletins 1312 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:38,271 from the crime scene. 1313 00:35:38,304 --> 00:35:39,572 - I got a text. 1314 00:35:39,606 --> 00:35:41,641 - The text was from 1315 00:35:39,606 --> 00:35:41,641 a fellow agent at the scene 1316 00:35:41,675 --> 00:35:43,843 who had spoken to 1317 00:35:41,675 --> 00:35:43,843 Seth's best friend, 1318 00:35:43,877 --> 00:35:44,944 the guy with 1319 00:35:43,877 --> 00:35:44,944 the puppy. 1320 00:35:44,978 --> 00:35:47,814 - And this person 1321 00:35:44,978 --> 00:35:47,814 had told him this story 1322 00:35:47,847 --> 00:35:50,550 about a girl 1323 00:35:47,847 --> 00:35:50,550 named Rachel. 1324 00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:53,286 - But Agent Thomas 1325 00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:53,286 held his fire, at this point, 1326 00:35:53,319 --> 00:35:55,889 in part because his information 1327 00:35:53,319 --> 00:35:55,889 was still limited. 1328 00:35:55,922 --> 00:36:00,260 Seth, however, likely could 1329 00:35:55,922 --> 00:36:00,260 see the agent reading a text. 1330 00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:02,395 The husband, father-to-be, 1331 00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:02,395 who had answered 1332 00:36:02,429 --> 00:36:05,465 an emphatic no to the question 1333 00:36:02,429 --> 00:36:05,465 about an affair, 1334 00:36:05,498 --> 00:36:08,702 then made an admission, 1335 00:36:05,498 --> 00:36:08,702 perhaps a preemptive strike. 1336 00:36:12,272 --> 00:36:14,274 - He said her name was 1337 00:36:12,272 --> 00:36:14,274 Rachel McFarland, 1338 00:36:14,307 --> 00:36:17,310 but Seth immediately 1339 00:36:14,307 --> 00:36:17,310 downplayed her importance. 1340 00:36:17,344 --> 00:36:19,145 He said even Lisa 1341 00:36:17,344 --> 00:36:19,145 knew about her. 1342 00:37:03,757 --> 00:37:06,126 - By now, Seth's father 1343 00:37:03,757 --> 00:37:06,126 and attorney had arrived 1344 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,195 and were trying desperately 1345 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,195 to end the interview, 1346 00:37:09,229 --> 00:37:12,599 but it was after hours, 1347 00:37:09,229 --> 00:37:12,599 and the outside door was locked. 1348 00:37:12,632 --> 00:37:14,768 Bang-bang-bang on the door, 1349 00:37:12,632 --> 00:37:14,768 Doug. 1350 00:37:14,801 --> 00:37:17,470 Is that you? 1351 00:37:14,801 --> 00:37:17,470 - That's me. That's me. 1352 00:37:17,504 --> 00:37:18,905 - They wouldn't stop. 1353 00:37:17,504 --> 00:37:18,905 - They-they didn't stop. 1354 00:37:18,938 --> 00:37:21,207 - They didn't come out. 1355 00:37:18,938 --> 00:37:21,207 - They didn't have to. 1356 00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:24,844 Remember, Seth was advised 1357 00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:24,844 by Agent Thomas that he was free 1358 00:37:24,878 --> 00:37:26,246 to leave anytime. 1359 00:37:26,279 --> 00:37:27,480 Everything was legal. 1360 00:37:27,514 --> 00:37:30,216 Lead Agent Birmingham, 1361 00:37:27,514 --> 00:37:30,216 watching Seth on a monitor, 1362 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:32,819 simply ignored 1363 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:32,819 the commotion outside. 1364 00:37:32,852 --> 00:37:35,488 - I did get information 1365 00:37:32,852 --> 00:37:35,488 that they were wanting 1366 00:37:35,522 --> 00:37:38,158 to get in and wanting to come in 1367 00:37:35,522 --> 00:37:38,158 and tell Seth to stop talking. 1368 00:37:38,191 --> 00:37:39,492 - Which would have shut 1369 00:37:38,191 --> 00:37:39,492 you guys right down. 1370 00:37:39,526 --> 00:37:42,862 - Seth is an adult, 1371 00:37:39,526 --> 00:37:42,862 and he has the sole obligation 1372 00:37:42,896 --> 00:37:44,964 to invoke his right 1373 00:37:42,896 --> 00:37:44,964 to remain his silent 1374 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:47,100 or his right to an attorney, 1375 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:47,100 and-and no one stopped him 1376 00:37:47,133 --> 00:37:48,568 from doing that. 1377 00:37:48,601 --> 00:37:50,804 - So, Thomas kept 1378 00:37:48,601 --> 00:37:50,804 asking questions, 1379 00:37:50,837 --> 00:37:52,539 and Seth kept 1380 00:37:50,837 --> 00:37:52,539 answering them. 1381 00:38:00,613 --> 00:38:03,683 - Meanwhile, both DCI Agents 1382 00:38:00,613 --> 00:38:03,683 Birmingham and Thomas 1383 00:38:03,717 --> 00:38:07,120 had now learned more 1384 00:38:03,717 --> 00:38:07,120 complete details from the scene, 1385 00:38:07,153 --> 00:38:09,756 from Seth's best friend, 1386 00:38:07,153 --> 00:38:09,756 the guy with the puppy. 1387 00:38:09,789 --> 00:38:11,858 The friend, Colton, 1388 00:38:09,789 --> 00:38:11,858 had explained that Seth was 1389 00:38:11,891 --> 00:38:15,261 using his special Tracfone 1390 00:38:11,891 --> 00:38:15,261 as a steamy hotline. 1391 00:38:15,295 --> 00:38:17,300 - I know they were 1392 00:38:15,295 --> 00:38:17,300 exchanging photos. 1393 00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:19,899 - Did he tell you, "She sent me 1394 00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:19,899 some topless pictures?" 1395 00:38:19,933 --> 00:38:21,167 - Yes. 1396 00:38:19,933 --> 00:38:21,167 - Did you see them? 1397 00:38:21,201 --> 00:38:22,268 - Yes. 1398 00:38:22,302 --> 00:38:25,171 - Armed with this information, 1399 00:38:22,302 --> 00:38:25,171 Agent Thomas decided 1400 00:38:25,205 --> 00:38:27,474 to show his cards 1401 00:38:25,205 --> 00:38:27,474 and see what happened. 1402 00:38:49,662 --> 00:38:52,465 - He said he'd talked to Rachel 1403 00:38:49,662 --> 00:38:52,465 about him divorcing Lisa 1404 00:38:52,499 --> 00:38:55,680 as recently as the night 1405 00:38:52,499 --> 00:38:55,680 before at work. 1406 00:39:01,341 --> 00:39:03,777 - He admitted he liked 1407 00:39:01,341 --> 00:39:03,777 Rachel's attention but said 1408 00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:05,745 he really was just 1409 00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:05,745 stringing her along. 1410 00:39:09,182 --> 00:39:12,118 - Lying to Rachel was wrong, 1411 00:39:09,182 --> 00:39:12,118 he said, but he claimed 1412 00:39:12,152 --> 00:39:14,540 that lying earlier 1413 00:39:12,152 --> 00:39:14,540 in the interview 1414 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:17,570 was simply a way to spare 1415 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:17,570 his grieving father-in-law, 1416 00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:19,250 Todd Caldwell, 1417 00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:19,250 the embarrassment. 1418 00:39:22,829 --> 00:39:25,932 - The interview had been going 1419 00:39:22,829 --> 00:39:25,932 on for close to four hours now, 1420 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,201 and Agent Birmingham 1421 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,201 was well aware 1422 00:39:28,234 --> 00:39:32,238 that Seth's father and a lawyer 1423 00:39:28,234 --> 00:39:32,238 wanted to shut it down. 1424 00:39:32,272 --> 00:39:35,508 Agent Thomas then took a break, 1425 00:39:32,272 --> 00:39:35,508 leaving Seth inside 1426 00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:36,910 the room to stew. 1427 00:39:36,943 --> 00:39:39,612 He met with Birmingham, 1428 00:39:36,943 --> 00:39:39,612 and they decided 1429 00:39:39,646 --> 00:39:41,481 he had to go nuclear. 1430 00:39:41,514 --> 00:39:44,384 Be confrontational because 1431 00:39:41,514 --> 00:39:44,384 the clock is ticking, 1432 00:39:44,417 --> 00:39:46,486 and if we're ever gonna 1433 00:39:44,417 --> 00:39:46,486 be tough, now is the time. 1434 00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:47,320 - Now is the time. 1435 00:40:39,939 --> 00:40:41,875 - Upset at this hostile 1436 00:40:39,939 --> 00:40:41,875 line of questioning, 1437 00:40:41,908 --> 00:40:43,810 Seth said 1438 00:40:41,908 --> 00:40:43,810 he'd had enough, 1439 00:40:43,843 --> 00:40:46,646 got up, and strangely 1440 00:40:43,843 --> 00:40:46,646 shook Thomas's hand. 1441 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,747 - Thank you, sir. 1442 00:40:49,482 --> 00:40:51,418 - And then he walked out. 1443 00:40:51,451 --> 00:40:54,320 In the end, what did 1444 00:40:51,451 --> 00:40:54,320 the investigators have? 1445 00:40:54,354 --> 00:40:57,590 That Seth lied about sex, 1446 00:40:54,354 --> 00:40:57,590 but was it even that? 1447 00:40:57,624 --> 00:41:00,760 All he admitted to was 1448 00:40:57,624 --> 00:41:00,760 making out with Rachel. 1449 00:41:00,794 --> 00:41:04,130 And on the big question, 1450 00:41:00,794 --> 00:41:04,130 he insisted over and over again 1451 00:41:04,164 --> 00:41:06,599 that he did 1452 00:41:04,164 --> 00:41:06,599 not kill Lisa. 1453 00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:08,968 Even Agent Thomas 1454 00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:08,968 expressed disappointment 1455 00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:11,204 with the outcome of 1456 00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:11,204 the marathon interview, 1457 00:41:11,237 --> 00:41:13,139 nearly five hours long. 1458 00:41:13,173 --> 00:41:15,775 You felt you'd come out 1459 00:41:13,173 --> 00:41:15,775 of a 15-round fight? 1460 00:41:15,809 --> 00:41:16,910 - It was exhausting. 1461 00:41:16,943 --> 00:41:21,715 It felt somewhat like 1462 00:41:16,943 --> 00:41:21,715 a failure in some regards. 1463 00:41:21,748 --> 00:41:22,649 - Why? 1464 00:41:22,682 --> 00:41:24,617 - We didn't get 1465 00:41:22,682 --> 00:41:24,617 the full confession. 1466 00:41:24,651 --> 00:41:27,870 - Maybe that's because 1467 00:41:24,651 --> 00:41:27,870 Seth didn't do it. 1468 00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:29,322 Agent Thomas 1469 00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:29,322 just didn't know. 1470 00:41:29,356 --> 00:41:31,458 But the women in 1471 00:41:29,356 --> 00:41:31,458 the Caldwell family, 1472 00:41:31,491 --> 00:41:34,594 without knowing any of Seth's 1473 00:41:31,491 --> 00:41:34,594 admissions about Rachel, 1474 00:41:34,627 --> 00:41:39,990 believed with 100% certainty 1475 00:41:34,627 --> 00:41:39,990 that Seth did not kill Lisa, 1476 00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:41,501 especially Lisa's sister 1477 00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:41,501 and Seth's great friend, 1478 00:41:41,534 --> 00:41:42,635 Presley. 1479 00:41:42,669 --> 00:41:45,238 - I was never thinking 1480 00:41:42,669 --> 00:41:45,238 that Seth did it. 1481 00:41:45,271 --> 00:41:49,809 - Only Todd Caldwell was 1482 00:41:45,271 --> 00:41:49,809 no longer a true believer. 1483 00:41:49,843 --> 00:41:53,580 The cop in him questioned 1484 00:41:49,843 --> 00:41:53,580 why Seth needed to lawyer up. 1485 00:41:53,613 --> 00:41:56,282 His own investigative 1486 00:41:53,613 --> 00:41:56,282 instincts also kicked in, 1487 00:41:56,316 --> 00:41:58,118 though he'd asked his 1488 00:41:56,316 --> 00:41:58,118 fellow deputies 1489 00:41:58,118 --> 00:41:59,919 not to tell him anything 1490 00:41:59,953 --> 00:42:02,550 until they were ready 1491 00:41:59,953 --> 00:42:02,550 to make an arrest, 1492 00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:04,224 and late on day one 1493 00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:04,224 of the investigation, 1494 00:42:04,257 --> 00:42:06,626 they weren't even close. 1495 00:42:06,659 --> 00:42:08,762 - I would say, at-at 1496 00:42:06,659 --> 00:42:08,762 10 o'clock on Saturday night, 1497 00:42:08,795 --> 00:42:11,898 May 26th, that neither 1498 00:42:08,795 --> 00:42:11,898 Seth nor Brian Tate were 1499 00:42:11,931 --> 00:42:14,367 completely eliminated 1500 00:42:11,931 --> 00:42:14,367 as suspects. 1501 00:42:14,401 --> 00:42:16,302 - At that time, 1502 00:42:14,401 --> 00:42:16,302 investigators were meeting 1503 00:42:16,336 --> 00:42:18,271 at the sheriff's 1504 00:42:16,336 --> 00:42:18,271 department command center 1505 00:42:18,304 --> 00:42:19,873 to take stock. 1506 00:42:19,906 --> 00:42:23,760 They knew they had a husband 1507 00:42:19,906 --> 00:42:23,760 with a possible girlfriend 1508 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,346 and a maybe crazy neighbor 1509 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,346 with a vendetta, 1510 00:42:26,379 --> 00:42:28,415 but they also 1511 00:42:26,379 --> 00:42:28,415 learned by that night 1512 00:42:28,448 --> 00:42:30,316 there was a 1513 00:42:28,448 --> 00:42:30,316 missing shotgun. 1514 00:42:30,350 --> 00:42:31,751 What did it all mean? 1515 00:42:34,154 --> 00:42:37,223 One piece of the puzzle 1516 00:42:34,154 --> 00:42:37,223 falls into place. 1517 00:42:37,257 --> 00:42:38,892 - Boy, that was a huge 1518 00:42:37,257 --> 00:42:38,892 development in that case. 1519 00:42:38,925 --> 00:42:40,126 - It was. 1520 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,830 - And then another round 1521 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,830 of heartbreak for Lisa's family 1522 00:42:50,236 --> 00:42:54,107 ** 1523 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,610 - Welcome back to 1524 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,610 "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 1525 00:42:57,644 --> 00:42:58,812 I'm Kate Snow. 1526 00:42:58,845 --> 00:43:01,581 Detectives investigating 1527 00:42:58,845 --> 00:43:01,581 Lisa Techel's murder 1528 00:43:01,614 --> 00:43:04,951 had a short list of suspects: 1529 00:43:01,614 --> 00:43:04,951 her husband, Seth, 1530 00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:07,620 and neighbor, Brian Tate, 1531 00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:07,620 who had an ongoing beef 1532 00:43:07,654 --> 00:43:08,955 with the couple. 1533 00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:12,580 New developments were 1534 00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:12,580 about to lead to an arrest 1535 00:43:12,580 --> 00:43:15,195 and an explosive secret 1536 00:43:12,580 --> 00:43:15,195 would soon be revealed 1537 00:43:15,228 --> 00:43:17,163 from beyond the grave. 1538 00:43:17,197 --> 00:43:21,601 Here again, Dennis Murphy 1539 00:43:17,197 --> 00:43:21,601 with "Before Dawn." 1540 00:43:21,634 --> 00:43:24,104 - It was Sunday, the morning 1541 00:43:21,634 --> 00:43:24,104 after Lisa Techel 1542 00:43:24,137 --> 00:43:27,307 had been shot to death, 1543 00:43:24,137 --> 00:43:27,307 but it wasn't a day of rest 1544 00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:29,609 for the Techels 1545 00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:29,609 and Caldwells. 1546 00:43:29,642 --> 00:43:32,780 They had to discuss 1547 00:43:29,642 --> 00:43:32,780 arrangements. 1548 00:43:32,112 --> 00:43:33,413 One of the saddest words 1549 00:43:32,112 --> 00:43:33,413 in the language 1550 00:43:33,446 --> 00:43:34,180 is "arrangements." 1551 00:43:34,214 --> 00:43:35,515 We have to make 1552 00:43:34,214 --> 00:43:35,515 arrangements. 1553 00:43:35,548 --> 00:43:36,416 That must have 1554 00:43:35,548 --> 00:43:36,416 been unreal. 1555 00:43:36,449 --> 00:43:37,917 - Yeah. 1556 00:43:37,951 --> 00:43:39,486 - I don't really 1557 00:43:37,951 --> 00:43:39,486 remember it. 1558 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:42,522 - Grief-stricken, Todd decided 1559 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:42,522 to stay home by himself 1560 00:43:42,555 --> 00:43:44,958 while the rest of 1561 00:43:42,555 --> 00:43:44,958 his family and the Techels 1562 00:43:44,991 --> 00:43:46,459 met in a park. 1563 00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:48,962 Seth was there but under 1564 00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:48,962 instructions from his lawyer 1565 00:43:48,995 --> 00:43:51,264 not to speak 1566 00:43:48,995 --> 00:43:51,264 about the case. 1567 00:43:51,297 --> 00:43:53,733 He shared an emotional moment 1568 00:43:51,297 --> 00:43:53,733 with Lisa's sisters 1569 00:43:53,767 --> 00:43:56,102 and her mother, Tracy. 1570 00:43:56,102 --> 00:43:57,470 - The first thing, 1571 00:43:56,102 --> 00:43:57,470 Seth grabbed the girls, 1572 00:43:57,504 --> 00:43:59,873 and hugged the girls, and said, 1573 00:43:57,504 --> 00:43:59,873 "They think I did it." 1574 00:43:59,906 --> 00:44:01,410 We all hugged Seth. 1575 00:44:01,410 --> 00:44:03,343 You know, told him 1576 00:44:01,410 --> 00:44:03,343 we loved him. 1577 00:44:03,376 --> 00:44:05,478 - When investigators 1578 00:44:03,376 --> 00:44:05,478 finished their forensic work 1579 00:44:05,512 --> 00:44:08,648 inside the trailer, 1580 00:44:05,512 --> 00:44:08,648 Tracy, Seth, and his parents 1581 00:44:08,682 --> 00:44:12,252 went out there to retrieve 1582 00:44:08,682 --> 00:44:12,252 some of Lisa's things. 1583 00:44:12,285 --> 00:44:13,420 - It was very tough. 1584 00:44:13,453 --> 00:44:15,522 I was just amazed 1585 00:44:13,453 --> 00:44:15,522 the way it looked. 1586 00:44:15,555 --> 00:44:17,190 - Crime scene techs had been 1587 00:44:15,555 --> 00:44:17,190 all over it, hadn't they? 1588 00:44:17,223 --> 00:44:18,391 - All over it. 1589 00:44:18,425 --> 00:44:20,493 I guess I went into dad mode 1590 00:44:18,425 --> 00:44:20,493 and tried to protect Seth 1591 00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:22,696 a little bit, and I-I 1592 00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:22,696 wanted to cover up the bed. 1593 00:44:22,729 --> 00:44:24,330 - What was your 1594 00:44:22,729 --> 00:44:24,330 thinking there? 1595 00:44:24,364 --> 00:44:26,366 - I just didn't want him 1596 00:44:24,364 --> 00:44:26,366 to see the blood. 1597 00:44:26,399 --> 00:44:27,701 - How was your boy dealing 1598 00:44:26,399 --> 00:44:27,701 with all this 1599 00:44:27,734 --> 00:44:29,102 in these hours after? 1600 00:44:29,135 --> 00:44:33,730 - I-I think he 1601 00:44:29,135 --> 00:44:33,730 was just shocked. 1602 00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:35,442 - That Sunday wasn't 1603 00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:35,442 a day of rest for 1604 00:44:35,475 --> 00:44:38,278 the men and women trying 1605 00:44:35,475 --> 00:44:38,278 to solve the crime either. 1606 00:44:38,311 --> 00:44:41,247 Investigators were focusing 1607 00:44:38,311 --> 00:44:41,247 on the murder weapon 1608 00:44:41,281 --> 00:44:43,583 and were working 1609 00:44:41,281 --> 00:44:43,583 a lead on a 12-gauge 1610 00:44:43,616 --> 00:44:45,151 Mossberg shotgun. 1611 00:44:45,185 --> 00:44:47,554 It belonged to Seth's 1612 00:44:45,185 --> 00:44:47,554 friend, Lucas Howell, 1613 00:44:47,587 --> 00:44:49,489 who'd been rooming 1614 00:44:47,587 --> 00:44:49,489 with Seth and Lisa 1615 00:44:49,522 --> 00:44:51,491 and had just moved out. 1616 00:44:51,524 --> 00:44:55,161 We showed Lucas this photograph 1617 00:44:51,524 --> 00:44:55,161 taken of Seth at his home. 1618 00:44:55,195 --> 00:44:58,298 If you look in the upper 1619 00:44:55,195 --> 00:44:58,298 right-hand corner, Lucas, 1620 00:44:58,331 --> 00:44:59,766 there's the gun rack. 1621 00:44:58,331 --> 00:44:59,766 - Yeah. Yep. 1622 00:44:59,799 --> 00:45:01,634 - Is your Mossberg 1623 00:44:59,799 --> 00:45:01,634 in that rack? 1624 00:45:01,668 --> 00:45:03,570 - Yes. It's the middle one. 1625 00:45:03,603 --> 00:45:05,372 - Lucas talked to 1626 00:45:03,603 --> 00:45:05,372 deputies about the gun 1627 00:45:05,405 --> 00:45:06,873 on the day of the murder. 1628 00:45:06,906 --> 00:45:09,750 - I told 'em that, uh, 1629 00:45:06,906 --> 00:45:09,750 I hadn't took it with me, 1630 00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:10,510 and it should be there. 1631 00:45:10,543 --> 00:45:12,946 - But his 12-gauge wasn't 1632 00:45:10,543 --> 00:45:12,946 there when crime scene techs 1633 00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:16,282 scoured the trailer, 1634 00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:16,282 and cops knew another place 1635 00:45:16,316 --> 00:45:19,386 it wasn't, on the list of guns 1636 00:45:16,316 --> 00:45:19,386 kept at the house 1637 00:45:19,419 --> 00:45:23,189 that Seth had 1638 00:45:19,419 --> 00:45:23,189 written for the DCI agent. 1639 00:45:23,223 --> 00:45:25,458 Investigators felt certain 1640 00:45:23,223 --> 00:45:25,458 the Mossberg was used 1641 00:45:25,492 --> 00:45:28,561 to kill Lisa, but a big 1642 00:45:25,492 --> 00:45:28,561 question remained. 1643 00:45:28,595 --> 00:45:29,629 - Where is it? 1644 00:45:29,662 --> 00:45:32,932 That's what we wanna know. 1645 00:45:29,662 --> 00:45:32,932 Where is the gun? 1646 00:45:32,966 --> 00:45:35,235 - That same Sunday morning, 1647 00:45:32,966 --> 00:45:35,235 a team began searching 1648 00:45:35,268 --> 00:45:37,537 the big, beautiful 1649 00:45:35,268 --> 00:45:37,537 piece of property 1650 00:45:37,570 --> 00:45:39,739 where Seth and Lisa were 1651 00:45:37,570 --> 00:45:39,739 starting married life 1652 00:45:39,773 --> 00:45:42,208 and preparing 1653 00:45:39,773 --> 00:45:42,208 to raise a family. 1654 00:45:42,242 --> 00:45:44,511 Deputy Marty Wonderlin, 1655 00:45:42,242 --> 00:45:44,511 working his first ever 1656 00:45:44,544 --> 00:45:47,313 homicide case, 1657 00:45:44,544 --> 00:45:47,313 was back at the scene. 1658 00:45:47,347 --> 00:45:50,116 Not too long into 1659 00:45:47,347 --> 00:45:50,116 the Sunday morning search, 1660 00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:52,852 over here by this big ol' tree, 1661 00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:52,852 what do you hear? 1662 00:45:52,886 --> 00:45:55,188 - I hear, "We've got it. 1663 00:45:52,886 --> 00:45:55,188 You know, shotgun here." 1664 00:45:55,221 --> 00:45:57,323 And they were goin' nuts. 1665 00:45:57,357 --> 00:45:59,359 - There was the Mossberg, 1666 00:45:57,357 --> 00:45:59,359 in the tall grass 1667 00:45:59,392 --> 00:46:02,562 about 20 yards from 1668 00:45:59,392 --> 00:46:02,562 the back door of the trailer. 1669 00:46:02,595 --> 00:46:04,230 Boy, that was a huge 1670 00:46:02,595 --> 00:46:04,230 development in that case. 1671 00:46:04,264 --> 00:46:05,465 - It was. 1672 00:46:05,498 --> 00:46:07,767 I think everyone's, you know, 1673 00:46:05,498 --> 00:46:07,767 mood doubled or tripled 1674 00:46:07,801 --> 00:46:10,103 when they 1675 00:46:07,801 --> 00:46:10,103 found that gun. 1676 00:46:10,136 --> 00:46:12,720 - Ballistics would later 1677 00:46:10,136 --> 00:46:12,720 match the Mossberg 1678 00:46:12,105 --> 00:46:15,410 with the slug that killed 1679 00:46:12,105 --> 00:46:15,410 the pregnant Lisa. 1680 00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:19,450 Investigators could fill in one 1681 00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:19,450 big box on their checklist: 1682 00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:20,380 murder weapon. 1683 00:46:20,413 --> 00:46:22,949 Next, they worked on 1684 00:46:20,413 --> 00:46:22,949 possible motives. 1685 00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:26,520 Was it a neighbor with 1686 00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:26,520 a vendetta or a husband 1687 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,488 lusting after 1688 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,488 another woman? 1689 00:46:28,521 --> 00:46:31,925 State Agent Birmingham and 1690 00:46:28,521 --> 00:46:31,925 Deputy Phillips decided 1691 00:46:31,958 --> 00:46:35,128 to have a talk with Seth's 1692 00:46:31,958 --> 00:46:35,128 work friend, Rachel. 1693 00:46:35,161 --> 00:46:37,597 - We interviewed her 1694 00:46:35,161 --> 00:46:37,597 on Tuesday, May 29th. 1695 00:46:41,735 --> 00:46:44,404 - Over the course of two hours, 1696 00:46:41,735 --> 00:46:44,404 Birmingham and Phillips 1697 00:46:44,437 --> 00:46:48,174 peeled back the layers of 1698 00:46:44,437 --> 00:46:48,174 Rachel's relationship with Seth. 1699 00:46:48,208 --> 00:46:51,770 - They were having, you know, 1700 00:46:48,208 --> 00:46:51,770 kind of an ongoing relationship. 1701 00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:54,800 There are sexually 1702 00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:54,800 explicit text messages. 1703 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,850 There are pictures, 1704 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,850 sexually explicit pictures, 1705 00:46:56,883 --> 00:46:58,840 sent back and forth. 1706 00:47:04,624 --> 00:47:05,859 - It sounds like they were 1707 00:47:04,624 --> 00:47:05,859 making out 1708 00:47:05,892 --> 00:47:08,361 rather than having sex. 1709 00:47:05,892 --> 00:47:08,361 - Yes. 1710 00:47:08,395 --> 00:47:09,729 That's correct. 1711 00:47:22,575 --> 00:47:25,780 - Rachel told the investigators 1712 00:47:22,575 --> 00:47:25,780 the Seth she knew 1713 00:47:25,111 --> 00:47:26,446 couldn't be 1714 00:47:25,111 --> 00:47:26,446 a murderer. 1715 00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:31,951 - But Seth was a suspect, 1716 00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:31,951 and if he did fire 1717 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,653 that shotgun blast, 1718 00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:35,550 that would place Rachel 1719 00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:35,550 at the heart 1720 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,257 of a murderous 1721 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,257 love triangle. 1722 00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:45,598 - The next day, 1723 00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:45,598 Deputies Phillips 1724 00:47:45,632 --> 00:47:48,668 and Wonderlin were back at 1725 00:47:45,632 --> 00:47:48,668 the neighbor Brian Tate's house. 1726 00:47:58,812 --> 00:48:00,647 - This time, they asked 1727 00:47:58,812 --> 00:48:00,647 him point blank about 1728 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,182 the murder of his neighbor. 1729 00:48:08,688 --> 00:48:11,240 - Tate stuck to his alibi, 1730 00:48:08,688 --> 00:48:11,240 home and asleep 1731 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,930 after taking 1732 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,930 his medication. 1733 00:48:13,126 --> 00:48:15,195 Lead Agent Birmingham 1734 00:48:13,126 --> 00:48:15,195 thought he was telling 1735 00:48:15,228 --> 00:48:19,432 the truth and crossed Brian Tate 1736 00:48:15,228 --> 00:48:19,432 off his suspect list. 1737 00:48:19,466 --> 00:48:22,350 So, you only have one suspect, 1738 00:48:19,466 --> 00:48:22,350 at this point. 1739 00:48:22,350 --> 00:48:25,138 - We have one suspect 1740 00:48:22,350 --> 00:48:25,138 and only one suspect. 1741 00:48:25,171 --> 00:48:27,107 - That evening, Lisa's 1742 00:48:25,171 --> 00:48:27,107 loved ones gathered 1743 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:29,843 at a funeral home 1744 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:29,843 for the visitation. 1745 00:48:29,876 --> 00:48:32,245 The turnout was impressive 1746 00:48:29,876 --> 00:48:32,245 and included many of 1747 00:48:32,278 --> 00:48:35,482 Todd's friends in 1748 00:48:32,278 --> 00:48:35,482 the sheriff's department. 1749 00:48:35,515 --> 00:48:37,217 Your fellow officers are there, 1750 00:48:35,515 --> 00:48:37,217 as they would be. 1751 00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:38,284 - Right. 1752 00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:38,284 - You know, 1753 00:48:38,318 --> 00:48:39,386 pay condolences, 1754 00:48:38,318 --> 00:48:39,386 show respect. 1755 00:48:39,419 --> 00:48:41,540 - Right. 1756 00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:44,524 - The mood inside was 1757 00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:44,524 somber and uneasy. 1758 00:48:44,557 --> 00:48:47,930 The Caldwells gathered 1759 00:48:44,557 --> 00:48:47,930 near Lisa's coffin. 1760 00:48:47,127 --> 00:48:49,295 The Techels stayed in 1761 00:48:47,127 --> 00:48:49,295 the back of the room. 1762 00:48:49,329 --> 00:48:50,430 Seth was there. 1763 00:48:50,463 --> 00:48:52,432 His sister-in-law, 1764 00:48:50,463 --> 00:48:52,432 Presley, will never forget 1765 00:48:52,465 --> 00:48:54,334 what happened next. 1766 00:48:54,367 --> 00:48:56,903 - He actually came up to me 1767 00:48:54,367 --> 00:48:56,903 kind of in the middle of it. 1768 00:48:56,936 --> 00:49:01,775 He gave me a big ol' hug, 1769 00:48:56,936 --> 00:49:01,775 and he said, "You will always 1770 00:49:01,808 --> 00:49:04,511 "be my little sister, 1771 00:49:01,808 --> 00:49:04,511 and I love you." 1772 00:49:04,544 --> 00:49:07,130 And I was like, 1773 00:49:04,544 --> 00:49:07,130 "I love you back." 1774 00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:09,582 - When the last visitor 1775 00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:09,582 was gone, only the two 1776 00:49:09,616 --> 00:49:13,420 families remained, still 1777 00:49:09,616 --> 00:49:13,420 at opposite ends of the room. 1778 00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:15,855 - Then I saw the two DCI 1779 00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:15,855 agents come in and sit down 1780 00:49:15,889 --> 00:49:18,658 behind me, a couple rows 1781 00:49:15,889 --> 00:49:18,658 behind Seth and I. 1782 00:49:18,692 --> 00:49:23,630 I said, "Is this a-a personal, 1783 00:49:18,692 --> 00:49:23,630 uh, visit or a professional?" 1784 00:49:23,663 --> 00:49:24,631 - Is this condolences 1785 00:49:23,663 --> 00:49:24,631 or somethin' else, huh? 1786 00:49:24,664 --> 00:49:26,633 - Yeah, and he said, 1787 00:49:24,664 --> 00:49:26,633 "It's professional." 1788 00:49:26,666 --> 00:49:28,468 - Marty Wonderlin 1789 00:49:26,666 --> 00:49:28,468 was there. 1790 00:49:28,501 --> 00:49:30,337 - We asked Seth to, you know, 1791 00:49:28,501 --> 00:49:30,337 come outside, 1792 00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:33,473 and we-we did it 1793 00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:33,473 quietly, I thought. 1794 00:49:33,506 --> 00:49:35,675 - And when they were 1795 00:49:33,506 --> 00:49:35,675 outside, Deputy Wonderlin 1796 00:49:35,709 --> 00:49:37,744 carried out his orders. 1797 00:49:37,777 --> 00:49:40,814 He arrested his friend, 1798 00:49:37,777 --> 00:49:40,814 Seth Techel. 1799 00:49:40,847 --> 00:49:43,116 A fellow deputy 1800 00:49:40,847 --> 00:49:43,116 put the cuffs on him. 1801 00:49:43,149 --> 00:49:45,452 They were Lisa's cuffs, 1802 00:49:43,149 --> 00:49:45,452 the ones she'd used 1803 00:49:45,485 --> 00:49:46,820 as a reserve deputy. 1804 00:49:46,853 --> 00:49:50,323 So, this has gotta be just 1805 00:49:46,853 --> 00:49:50,323 more than your brain can absorb. 1806 00:49:50,357 --> 00:49:52,659 - Definitely, yeah. 1807 00:49:52,692 --> 00:49:55,950 - "Little sister, 1808 00:49:52,692 --> 00:49:55,950 I'll always love you," 1809 00:49:55,128 --> 00:49:58,832 and now he's going downtown. 1810 00:49:55,128 --> 00:49:58,832 He's about to be charged. 1811 00:49:58,865 --> 00:50:01,301 - Yeah. I couldn't 1812 00:49:58,865 --> 00:50:01,301 understand it. 1813 00:50:01,334 --> 00:50:03,203 We wouldn't ever dream or 1814 00:50:01,334 --> 00:50:03,203 ever understand 1815 00:50:03,236 --> 00:50:05,105 that it could be him. 1816 00:50:05,138 --> 00:50:07,140 - Seth's dream was to 1817 00:50:05,138 --> 00:50:07,140 drive a sheriff's car 1818 00:50:07,173 --> 00:50:10,477 as a deputy, but now 1819 00:50:07,173 --> 00:50:10,477 the wannabe cop was cuffed, 1820 00:50:10,510 --> 00:50:13,246 riding in the backseat and 1821 00:50:10,510 --> 00:50:13,246 about to be charged 1822 00:50:13,279 --> 00:50:15,548 with the murder 1823 00:50:13,279 --> 00:50:15,548 of his wife. 1824 00:50:18,251 --> 00:50:21,988 Seth Techel goes on trial, 1825 00:50:18,251 --> 00:50:21,988 but before it even starts, 1826 00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:25,191 the prosecution 1827 00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:25,191 suffers a major blow. 1828 00:50:25,225 --> 00:50:27,193 - Bad for us. 1829 00:50:25,225 --> 00:50:27,193 Good for them. 1830 00:50:27,227 --> 00:50:28,762 It's great for them. 1831 00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:38,905 ** 1832 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,676 - For Lisa Techel's family, 1833 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,676 it had been a heartbreaking, 1834 00:50:42,709 --> 00:50:44,577 relentless week. 1835 00:50:44,611 --> 00:50:48,140 Thursday didn't promise 1836 00:50:44,611 --> 00:50:48,140 to be any better. 1837 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,717 Lisa's funeral was held at 1838 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,717 the First Lutheran Church 1839 00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:52,850 in Ottumwa. 1840 00:50:52,118 --> 00:50:54,421 Seven months earlier, 1841 00:50:52,118 --> 00:50:54,421 Todd Caldwell was at 1842 00:50:54,454 --> 00:50:57,323 the very same church walking 1843 00:50:54,454 --> 00:50:57,323 his daughter down the aisle 1844 00:50:57,357 --> 00:50:59,590 on her wedding day. 1845 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,395 Now, he'd returned 1846 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,395 to lay her to rest. 1847 00:51:02,429 --> 00:51:05,131 Lisa was buried in 1848 00:51:02,429 --> 00:51:05,131 her jailer's uniform. 1849 00:51:05,165 --> 00:51:08,635 A special detail of officers 1850 00:51:05,165 --> 00:51:08,635 served as pallbearers. 1851 00:51:08,668 --> 00:51:11,471 Law enforcement had come out 1852 00:51:08,668 --> 00:51:11,471 to honor one of its own. 1853 00:51:11,504 --> 00:51:14,174 - Lisa would have thought, 1854 00:51:11,504 --> 00:51:14,174 you know, "This is all for me?" 1855 00:51:14,207 --> 00:51:15,742 I was so proud. 1856 00:51:15,775 --> 00:51:17,344 - I would have been able 1857 00:51:15,775 --> 00:51:17,344 to be there and-and 1858 00:51:17,377 --> 00:51:19,779 watch her become a mom. 1859 00:51:19,813 --> 00:51:20,947 She was just a joy. 1860 00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:22,682 - Mothers shouldn't 1861 00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:22,682 bury daughters. 1862 00:51:22,716 --> 00:51:25,785 - Never, never. 1863 00:51:25,819 --> 00:51:28,621 - After the funeral, 1864 00:51:25,819 --> 00:51:28,621 the Caldwell and Techel families 1865 00:51:28,655 --> 00:51:31,424 turned their attention to 1866 00:51:28,655 --> 00:51:31,424 the upcoming murder trial 1867 00:51:31,458 --> 00:51:33,760 of Seth Techel. 1868 00:51:33,793 --> 00:51:36,196 Lawyers started to plot strategy 1869 00:51:33,793 --> 00:51:36,196 with the neighbor, 1870 00:51:36,229 --> 00:51:38,980 Brian Tate, 1871 00:51:36,229 --> 00:51:38,980 expected to be right 1872 00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:39,766 in the thick of it. 1873 00:51:39,799 --> 00:51:41,835 Tate's sister, Sherry, 1874 00:51:39,799 --> 00:51:41,835 says he never could shake 1875 00:51:41,868 --> 00:51:43,303 the feeling that 1876 00:51:41,868 --> 00:51:43,303 the authorities 1877 00:51:43,336 --> 00:51:45,105 would come after him. 1878 00:51:45,138 --> 00:51:47,941 - He still feels like 1879 00:51:45,138 --> 00:51:47,941 they're saying he's a murderer. 1880 00:51:47,974 --> 00:51:50,310 Brian had even seen in 1881 00:51:47,974 --> 00:51:50,310 the paper that they were 1882 00:51:50,343 --> 00:51:53,130 calling him a crazy 1883 00:51:50,343 --> 00:51:53,130 and deranged neighbor. 1884 00:51:53,113 --> 00:51:54,981 It just devastated him. 1885 00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:58,651 - That summer, Brian Tate 1886 00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:58,651 tumbled into a downward spiral 1887 00:51:58,685 --> 00:52:00,220 and never 1888 00:51:58,685 --> 00:52:00,220 recovered. 1889 00:52:00,253 --> 00:52:03,490 He died in September 2012, 1890 00:52:00,253 --> 00:52:03,490 just four months 1891 00:52:03,523 --> 00:52:05,425 after Lisa's murder. 1892 00:52:05,458 --> 00:52:07,930 The coroner would 1893 00:52:05,458 --> 00:52:07,930 think it was heart. 1894 00:52:07,127 --> 00:52:08,610 - Yes. 1895 00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:09,829 - What's the family 1896 00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:09,829 think it was? 1897 00:52:09,863 --> 00:52:12,332 - We think it was heart, 1898 00:52:09,863 --> 00:52:12,332 a broken heart. 1899 00:52:12,365 --> 00:52:15,235 - And now prosecutors 1900 00:52:12,365 --> 00:52:15,235 Andy Prosser and Scott Brown 1901 00:52:15,268 --> 00:52:17,203 from the State's 1902 00:52:15,268 --> 00:52:17,203 Attorney General's Office, 1903 00:52:17,237 --> 00:52:19,439 worried that a jury might 1904 00:52:17,237 --> 00:52:19,439 think the deranged, 1905 00:52:19,472 --> 00:52:21,541 deceased neighbor did it. 1906 00:52:21,574 --> 00:52:24,344 Their plan had been to 1907 00:52:21,574 --> 00:52:24,344 call Tate as a witness. 1908 00:52:24,377 --> 00:52:26,846 - On the theory that 1909 00:52:24,377 --> 00:52:26,846 the-the devil you know 1910 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,116 is always better than 1911 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,116 the devil you don't, 1912 00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:33,860 we wanted the jury 1913 00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:33,860 to see Mr. Tate. 1914 00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:35,188 - But now, with a 1915 00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:35,188 trial date approaching, 1916 00:52:35,221 --> 00:52:37,590 prosecutors had 1917 00:52:35,221 --> 00:52:37,590 lost a key witness. 1918 00:52:37,624 --> 00:52:39,592 - Bad for us. 1919 00:52:37,624 --> 00:52:39,592 Good for them. 1920 00:52:39,626 --> 00:52:41,940 It's great for them. 1921 00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:43,463 - The long-awaited murder trial 1922 00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:43,463 of Seth Techel 1923 00:52:43,496 --> 00:52:45,498 was in hometown Ottumwa. 1924 00:52:45,532 --> 00:52:47,100 - Ready for the jury, 1925 00:52:45,532 --> 00:52:47,100 gentlemen. 1926 00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,502 - February 2013, 1927 00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,502 can you see yourself 1928 00:52:49,536 --> 00:52:53,106 going into the courthouse? 1929 00:52:49,536 --> 00:52:53,106 - Yeah, I remember. 1930 00:52:53,106 --> 00:52:56,900 - What do you two 1931 00:52:53,106 --> 00:52:56,900 say to one another? 1932 00:52:56,109 --> 00:52:57,977 - We gotta stay strong. 1933 00:52:58,110 --> 00:52:59,813 - The Caldwells never 1934 00:52:58,110 --> 00:52:59,813 wanted to believe 1935 00:52:59,846 --> 00:53:02,682 Seth killed Lisa, 1936 00:52:59,846 --> 00:53:02,682 but heading into trial, 1937 00:53:02,716 --> 00:53:05,585 they were all now 1938 00:53:02,716 --> 00:53:05,585 convinced that he did, 1939 00:53:05,618 --> 00:53:08,521 even Presley, once his 1940 00:53:05,618 --> 00:53:08,521 staunchest supporter. 1941 00:53:08,555 --> 00:53:10,156 - There's really no 1942 00:53:08,555 --> 00:53:10,156 other explanation 1943 00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:12,459 for what has happened. 1944 00:53:12,492 --> 00:53:15,729 - When you left the Techel 1945 00:53:12,492 --> 00:53:15,729 residence, who was there? 1946 00:53:15,762 --> 00:53:18,598 - Two prominent families, 1947 00:53:15,762 --> 00:53:18,598 the Caldwells and Techels, 1948 00:53:18,631 --> 00:53:21,968 once close in-laws, 1949 00:53:18,631 --> 00:53:21,968 were now fiercely divided, 1950 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,671 camped on opposite sides 1951 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,671 of the courtroom. 1952 00:53:24,704 --> 00:53:26,506 Seth had pleaded 1953 00:53:24,704 --> 00:53:26,506 not guilty. 1954 00:53:26,539 --> 00:53:28,475 - I was, like, 1955 00:53:26,539 --> 00:53:28,475 just look at me. 1956 00:53:28,508 --> 00:53:31,770 Like, I wanna see kind of 1957 00:53:28,508 --> 00:53:31,770 in your eyes how you're doing. 1958 00:53:31,111 --> 00:53:33,680 But he doesn't 1959 00:53:31,111 --> 00:53:33,680 look at you. 1960 00:53:33,713 --> 00:53:36,249 - She was like 1961 00:53:33,713 --> 00:53:36,249 my best friend. 1962 00:53:36,282 --> 00:53:37,851 - Prosecutors called 1963 00:53:36,282 --> 00:53:37,851 to the stand 1964 00:53:37,884 --> 00:53:40,253 their emotional 1965 00:53:37,884 --> 00:53:40,253 trump card. 1966 00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:42,522 Todd Caldwell 1967 00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:42,522 remembered his Lisa. 1968 00:53:42,555 --> 00:53:45,125 - Like, everyone would 1969 00:53:42,555 --> 00:53:45,125 tell me how much Lisa and I 1970 00:53:45,158 --> 00:53:49,629 are alike, and I would 1971 00:53:45,158 --> 00:53:49,629 just tell everybody that 1972 00:53:49,662 --> 00:53:53,867 she's the best 1973 00:53:49,662 --> 00:53:53,867 parts of me. 1974 00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:56,503 - The prosecution had 1975 00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:56,503 the burden of proving 1976 00:53:56,536 --> 00:53:59,873 the charges, first degree 1977 00:53:56,536 --> 00:53:59,873 murder and nonconsensual 1978 00:53:59,906 --> 00:54:02,175 termination of 1979 00:53:59,906 --> 00:54:02,175 a pregnancy. 1980 00:54:02,208 --> 00:54:04,440 What did you think 1981 00:54:02,208 --> 00:54:04,440 your strongest fact was 1982 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,345 going forward? 1983 00:54:05,378 --> 00:54:06,913 Strongest part of 1984 00:54:05,378 --> 00:54:06,913 your story for a jury? 1985 00:54:06,946 --> 00:54:08,415 - Probably the most 1986 00:54:06,946 --> 00:54:08,415 important single piece 1987 00:54:08,448 --> 00:54:11,510 of evidence was 1988 00:54:08,448 --> 00:54:11,510 the shotgun. 1989 00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:13,353 - Ballistics showed 1990 00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:13,353 this Mossberg 12-gauge 1991 00:54:13,386 --> 00:54:16,890 was the murder weapon, 1992 00:54:13,386 --> 00:54:16,890 a firearm that Seth kept 1993 00:54:16,122 --> 00:54:20,393 inside his house and only he had 1994 00:54:16,122 --> 00:54:20,393 access to it that morning, 1995 00:54:20,427 --> 00:54:21,895 prosecutors argued. 1996 00:54:21,928 --> 00:54:26,299 - No murderer who wants 1997 00:54:21,928 --> 00:54:26,299 to kill Lisa Techel 1998 00:54:26,332 --> 00:54:29,469 comes to the murder scene 1999 00:54:26,332 --> 00:54:29,469 without the murder weapon. 2000 00:54:29,502 --> 00:54:31,604 - We argued the impossibility 2001 00:54:29,502 --> 00:54:31,604 of his story. 2002 00:54:31,638 --> 00:54:33,373 Some unknown assailant 2003 00:54:31,638 --> 00:54:33,373 breaks into his house 2004 00:54:33,406 --> 00:54:36,142 and kills the wife that 2005 00:54:33,406 --> 00:54:36,142 he says that he's gonna leave. 2006 00:54:36,176 --> 00:54:38,178 - Tyler Batterson 2007 00:54:36,176 --> 00:54:38,178 is our next witness. 2008 00:54:38,211 --> 00:54:40,280 - Prosecutors called one 2009 00:54:38,211 --> 00:54:40,280 of Seth's young friends 2010 00:54:40,313 --> 00:54:42,949 to show the jury, they said, 2011 00:54:40,313 --> 00:54:42,949 just how deceptive 2012 00:54:42,982 --> 00:54:45,618 and manipulative Seth was. 2013 00:54:45,652 --> 00:54:48,880 This witness was one of 2014 00:54:45,652 --> 00:54:48,880 the boys, it turned out, 2015 00:54:48,121 --> 00:54:50,990 behind all the vandalism 2016 00:54:48,121 --> 00:54:50,990 across the fence. 2017 00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:54,594 He testified he was just 2018 00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:54,594 following Seth's orders. 2019 00:54:54,627 --> 00:54:59,132 - Told us to go and mess 2020 00:54:54,627 --> 00:54:59,132 with his neighbor, Tate. 2021 00:54:59,165 --> 00:55:00,367 - How were you 2022 00:54:59,165 --> 00:55:00,367 gonna mess with him? 2023 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,738 - Fill five gallon buckets 2024 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,738 full of dog manure 2025 00:55:04,771 --> 00:55:07,107 and go dump 'em 2026 00:55:04,771 --> 00:55:07,107 on his property. 2027 00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:09,676 - Remember, Seth had 2028 00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:09,676 assured his father-in-law 2029 00:55:09,709 --> 00:55:11,478 and the state agent 2030 00:55:09,709 --> 00:55:11,478 who interviewed him 2031 00:55:11,511 --> 00:55:12,846 the exact opposite. 2032 00:55:17,183 --> 00:55:20,530 - Looking back, that 2033 00:55:17,183 --> 00:55:20,530 incident was what turned 2034 00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:22,655 Todd against Brian Tate 2035 00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:22,655 in the first place, 2036 00:55:22,689 --> 00:55:25,725 fixing the idea in his mind 2037 00:55:22,689 --> 00:55:25,725 that his kid's neighbor 2038 00:55:25,759 --> 00:55:28,595 was a deranged, 2039 00:55:25,759 --> 00:55:28,595 maybe dangerous crank. 2040 00:55:28,628 --> 00:55:31,865 - I'm going by what Seth 2041 00:55:28,628 --> 00:55:31,865 had told me about him. 2042 00:55:31,898 --> 00:55:34,167 - As for Tate's complaint 2043 00:55:31,898 --> 00:55:34,167 calls with deputies, 2044 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,370 as captured on dashcam video, 2045 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,370 it became evidence 2046 00:55:37,404 --> 00:55:39,172 for the prosecution. 2047 00:55:42,575 --> 00:55:45,412 - We were hopeful that 2048 00:55:42,575 --> 00:55:45,412 the jury would see, uh, 2049 00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:47,414 Brian Tate as we saw him. 2050 00:55:47,447 --> 00:55:50,750 - And they saw him as an 2051 00:55:47,447 --> 00:55:50,750 eccentric but harmless man, 2052 00:55:50,784 --> 00:55:53,860 certainly 2053 00:55:50,784 --> 00:55:53,860 not a killer. 2054 00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:55,588 Then, at last, it was time 2055 00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:55,588 for the state's star witness, 2056 00:55:55,622 --> 00:55:57,857 Rachel McFarland, 2057 00:55:55,622 --> 00:55:57,857 the other woman, 2058 00:55:57,891 --> 00:56:00,293 to show up and 2059 00:55:57,891 --> 00:56:00,293 tell her story. 2060 00:56:00,326 --> 00:56:02,950 Did you need 2061 00:56:00,326 --> 00:56:02,950 the jury to like her? 2062 00:56:02,128 --> 00:56:04,364 - We needed the jury 2063 00:56:02,128 --> 00:56:04,364 to believe her. 2064 00:56:04,397 --> 00:56:06,833 - Rachel testified her 2065 00:56:04,397 --> 00:56:06,833 relationship with Seth 2066 00:56:06,866 --> 00:56:09,903 started heating up 2067 00:56:06,866 --> 00:56:09,903 in December 2011, 2068 00:56:09,936 --> 00:56:12,706 which was two months 2069 00:56:09,936 --> 00:56:12,706 after Seth got married. 2070 00:56:12,739 --> 00:56:16,543 - It became more sexual, 2071 00:56:12,739 --> 00:56:16,543 asking me to send pictures, 2072 00:56:16,576 --> 00:56:21,748 or I don't know, 2073 00:56:16,576 --> 00:56:21,748 just showing off my body. 2074 00:56:21,781 --> 00:56:23,483 I guess. 2075 00:56:23,516 --> 00:56:28,421 - On May 20, 2012, Seth and 2076 00:56:23,516 --> 00:56:28,421 Rachel met at a nature preserve 2077 00:56:28,455 --> 00:56:31,925 where they took this selfie 2078 00:56:28,455 --> 00:56:31,925 to remember their time together. 2079 00:56:31,958 --> 00:56:33,927 - I mean, he kissed me. 2080 00:56:31,958 --> 00:56:33,927 He touched me. 2081 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,962 He said that we had 2082 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,962 everything in common 2083 00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:38,631 and that he had tried 2084 00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:38,631 working things out with Lisa, 2085 00:56:38,665 --> 00:56:40,467 and they just weren't working, 2086 00:56:38,665 --> 00:56:40,467 and I was exactly 2087 00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:42,202 what he wanted. 2088 00:56:42,235 --> 00:56:44,604 - She said Seth repeatedly 2089 00:56:42,235 --> 00:56:44,604 told her he was going 2090 00:56:44,637 --> 00:56:46,206 to divorce his wife. 2091 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,608 - Did he say he loved you? 2092 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,608 - Yes. 2093 00:56:48,641 --> 00:56:51,277 - But Rachel was 2094 00:56:48,641 --> 00:56:51,277 hedging her bets. 2095 00:56:51,311 --> 00:56:54,800 She told Seth she was also 2096 00:56:51,311 --> 00:56:54,800 interested in a co-worker 2097 00:56:54,114 --> 00:56:56,616 named Brandon, who just 2098 00:56:54,114 --> 00:56:56,616 happened to call her 2099 00:56:56,649 --> 00:56:59,519 during her tryst with 2100 00:56:56,649 --> 00:56:59,519 Seth in the park. 2101 00:56:59,552 --> 00:57:01,588 - He just started 2102 00:56:59,552 --> 00:57:01,588 getting really jealous. 2103 00:57:01,621 --> 00:57:03,656 - And so, on the 20th, 2104 00:57:01,621 --> 00:57:03,656 when he learned that you 2105 00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:06,920 were communicating with 2106 00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:06,920 Brandon, he said what? 2107 00:57:06,126 --> 00:57:07,594 - "Just give me 2108 00:57:06,126 --> 00:57:07,594 two more weeks." 2109 00:57:07,627 --> 00:57:10,263 - Did you ask him what he meant, 2110 00:57:07,627 --> 00:57:10,263 "Just give me two more weeks?" 2111 00:57:10,296 --> 00:57:13,667 - Yes, and he just repeated 2112 00:57:10,296 --> 00:57:13,667 the same statement. 2113 00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:17,537 - Six days later, Lisa 2114 00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:17,537 was murdered in her own bed. 2115 00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:20,840 - And here we have a motive 2116 00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:20,840 that we can understand, love. 2117 00:57:20,874 --> 00:57:24,644 The-the whole relationship 2118 00:57:20,874 --> 00:57:24,644 with Rachel was evidence 2119 00:57:24,678 --> 00:57:28,381 that was like a countdown 2120 00:57:24,678 --> 00:57:28,381 to Lisa Techel's death. 2121 00:57:28,415 --> 00:57:30,684 - But defense attorney 2122 00:57:28,415 --> 00:57:30,684 Steve Gardner countered, 2123 00:57:30,717 --> 00:57:33,319 arguing the motive 2124 00:57:30,717 --> 00:57:33,319 of an affair falls flat 2125 00:57:33,353 --> 00:57:36,423 without the essential 2126 00:57:33,353 --> 00:57:36,423 element, sex. 2127 00:57:36,456 --> 00:57:40,560 - Seth Techel was being 2128 00:57:36,456 --> 00:57:40,560 accused of murdering his wife 2129 00:57:40,593 --> 00:57:44,130 for an affair that 2130 00:57:40,593 --> 00:57:44,130 he was hoping to someday have. 2131 00:57:44,164 --> 00:57:45,932 And you've never had 2132 00:57:44,164 --> 00:57:45,932 intercourse with him. 2133 00:57:45,965 --> 00:57:46,866 - No. 2134 00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:49,936 - You've never had 2135 00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:49,936 oral sex with him. 2136 00:57:49,969 --> 00:57:50,704 - No. 2137 00:57:50,737 --> 00:57:51,905 - Never had your 2138 00:57:50,737 --> 00:57:51,905 clothes off. 2139 00:57:51,938 --> 00:57:54,541 - No. 2140 00:57:54,574 --> 00:57:56,142 - And you kissed 2141 00:57:54,574 --> 00:57:56,142 a few times. 2142 00:57:56,176 --> 00:57:57,577 - Yes. 2143 00:57:57,610 --> 00:58:01,181 - Is that a fair assessment 2144 00:57:57,610 --> 00:58:01,181 of the extent 2145 00:58:01,214 --> 00:58:05,850 of your romantic relationship 2146 00:58:01,214 --> 00:58:05,850 with Mr. Techel? 2147 00:58:05,118 --> 00:58:06,753 - Yes. 2148 00:58:06,786 --> 00:58:09,550 - The defense also didn't 2149 00:58:06,786 --> 00:58:09,550 accept the state's take 2150 00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:11,624 on the neighbor as 2151 00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:11,624 a harmless eccentric. 2152 00:58:11,658 --> 00:58:14,661 - The most compelling evidence 2153 00:58:11,658 --> 00:58:14,661 as to how this occurred 2154 00:58:14,694 --> 00:58:18,398 involved the neighbor, Mr. Tate. 2155 00:58:14,694 --> 00:58:18,398 He was mentally ill. 2156 00:58:21,334 --> 00:58:23,670 - And according to the defense, 2157 00:58:21,334 --> 00:58:23,670 dangerous, too. 2158 00:58:23,703 --> 00:58:25,739 The defense then hammered home 2159 00:58:23,703 --> 00:58:25,739 the portrayal 2160 00:58:25,772 --> 00:58:27,440 of the unpredictable neighbor 2161 00:58:27,474 --> 00:58:31,211 by using Todd's own complaint 2162 00:58:27,474 --> 00:58:31,211 summary from that day. 2163 00:58:31,244 --> 00:58:32,612 You're in the awkward 2164 00:58:31,244 --> 00:58:32,612 situation of being 2165 00:58:32,645 --> 00:58:34,647 their best witness. 2166 00:58:32,645 --> 00:58:34,647 - Right. 2167 00:58:34,681 --> 00:58:38,151 - But you believed he could 2168 00:58:34,681 --> 00:58:38,151 become a danger. 2169 00:58:38,184 --> 00:58:41,287 "Anyone who should respond 2170 00:58:38,184 --> 00:58:41,287 to that residence again 2171 00:58:41,321 --> 00:58:43,890 "should use 2172 00:58:41,321 --> 00:58:43,890 extreme caution." 2173 00:58:43,923 --> 00:58:45,792 - That is correct. 2174 00:58:43,923 --> 00:58:45,792 I did. 2175 00:58:45,825 --> 00:58:47,127 - The defense theorized 2176 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,163 that Tate entered the trailer 2177 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,163 through an unlocked door 2178 00:58:50,196 --> 00:58:52,532 and shot Lisa 2179 00:58:50,196 --> 00:58:52,532 for revenge. 2180 00:58:52,565 --> 00:58:55,602 The key defense evidence 2181 00:58:52,565 --> 00:58:55,602 that suggested an intruder 2182 00:58:55,635 --> 00:58:58,538 was a stray peanut butter 2183 00:58:55,635 --> 00:58:58,538 and jelly sandwich in a baggy 2184 00:58:58,571 --> 00:59:00,440 left on the back deck. 2185 00:59:00,473 --> 00:59:03,900 - There was a sandwich that 2186 00:59:00,473 --> 00:59:03,900 would not have been there 2187 00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,311 the night before 2188 00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,311 that was there. 2189 00:59:05,345 --> 00:59:08,140 - Critters should have 2190 00:59:05,345 --> 00:59:08,140 devoured it, he argued. 2191 00:59:08,140 --> 00:59:11,251 He told the jury it must 2192 00:59:08,140 --> 00:59:11,251 have been the killer's snack. 2193 00:59:11,284 --> 00:59:14,888 - I believe it to be the most 2194 00:59:11,284 --> 00:59:14,888 compelling piece of evidence 2195 00:59:14,921 --> 00:59:16,656 in the whole case. 2196 00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:19,659 - It was now up to 2197 00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:19,659 a jury to decide, 2198 00:59:19,693 --> 00:59:21,227 but it wouldn't be easy. 2199 00:59:24,597 --> 00:59:28,234 - In the jury room, 2200 00:59:24,597 --> 00:59:28,234 deliberations and drama. 2201 00:59:28,268 --> 00:59:30,700 - He started pounding 2202 00:59:28,268 --> 00:59:30,700 on the door want-- 2203 00:59:30,103 --> 00:59:31,571 you know, saying that 2204 00:59:30,103 --> 00:59:31,571 he wanted outta there, 2205 00:59:31,604 --> 00:59:33,139 and we were in tears. 2206 00:59:39,245 --> 00:59:43,750 ** 2207 00:59:44,484 --> 00:59:46,586 - Back in the 2208 00:59:44,484 --> 00:59:46,586 deliberation room, 2209 00:59:46,619 --> 00:59:49,550 wrangling jurors in the 2210 00:59:46,619 --> 00:59:49,550 Seth Techel murder trial 2211 00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:51,925 were driving the case 2212 00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:51,925 into a ditch. 2213 00:59:51,958 --> 00:59:54,600 They stay out, and they stay 2214 00:59:51,958 --> 00:59:54,600 out, and they stay out. 2215 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:55,895 What are the prosecutors 2216 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:55,895 telling you, Todd? 2217 00:59:55,929 --> 00:59:58,131 - That there's some 2218 00:59:55,929 --> 00:59:58,131 that are guilty, 2219 00:59:58,164 --> 00:59:59,566 and there's some 2220 00:59:58,164 --> 00:59:59,566 that are not guilty, 2221 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:00,834 and they're just 2222 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:00,834 not agreeing, 2223 01:00:00,867 --> 01:00:03,169 and I'm starting to get 2224 01:00:00,867 --> 01:00:03,169 worried at that point. 2225 01:00:03,203 --> 01:00:05,372 - Micah Sheehen 2226 01:00:03,203 --> 01:00:05,372 was on the jury. 2227 01:00:05,405 --> 01:00:07,841 She said one holdout 2228 01:00:05,405 --> 01:00:07,841 juror in particular 2229 01:00:07,874 --> 01:00:09,976 was responsible for 2230 01:00:07,874 --> 01:00:09,976 the stalemate. 2231 01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:11,511 - He started pounding 2232 01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:11,511 on the door want-- 2233 01:00:11,544 --> 01:00:13,146 you know, saying that 2234 01:00:11,544 --> 01:00:13,146 he wanted outta there, 2235 01:00:13,179 --> 01:00:15,648 and we were in tears, 2236 01:00:13,179 --> 01:00:15,648 a lot of us, 2237 01:00:15,682 --> 01:00:19,586 because we knew that 2238 01:00:15,682 --> 01:00:19,586 we were up against a wall, 2239 01:00:19,619 --> 01:00:22,188 that nothing else could 2240 01:00:19,619 --> 01:00:22,188 be done with this person. 2241 01:00:22,222 --> 01:00:23,757 - After weeks of testimony 2242 01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:25,592 and three full days 2243 01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:25,592 of deliberations, 2244 01:00:25,625 --> 01:00:26,993 the Seth Techel 2245 01:00:25,625 --> 01:00:26,993 murder trial 2246 01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:29,829 came to a sudden 2247 01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:29,829 conclusion today. 2248 01:00:29,863 --> 01:00:31,498 - It was all over. 2249 01:00:31,531 --> 01:00:33,700 - The motion for a mistrial 2250 01:00:31,531 --> 01:00:33,700 is hereby granted. 2251 01:00:33,733 --> 01:00:37,170 - The judge declared a mistrial 2252 01:00:33,733 --> 01:00:37,170 because of a hung jury. 2253 01:00:37,203 --> 01:00:39,406 Hung jury-- punch to the gut, 2254 01:00:37,203 --> 01:00:39,406 Andy? You ever had one? 2255 01:00:39,439 --> 01:00:42,420 - Well, I never had 2256 01:00:39,439 --> 01:00:42,420 one in almost 30 years. 2257 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:46,790 - Prosecutors immediately 2258 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:46,790 decided to retry the case. 2259 01:00:46,112 --> 01:00:48,982 The vote had been 2260 01:00:46,112 --> 01:00:48,982 10 to 2 for conviction. 2261 01:00:49,150 --> 01:00:51,418 - Of course, we're disappointed 2262 01:00:49,150 --> 01:00:51,418 in what happened. 2263 01:00:51,451 --> 01:00:54,487 - The Caldwells had lost 2264 01:00:51,451 --> 01:00:54,487 a daughter and sister, 2265 01:00:54,521 --> 01:00:56,556 and now they couldn't 2266 01:00:54,521 --> 01:00:56,556 even get the closure 2267 01:00:56,589 --> 01:00:58,124 they desperately wanted, 2268 01:00:58,158 --> 01:01:00,960 and they'd have 2269 01:00:58,158 --> 01:01:00,960 to do it all over again. 2270 01:01:01,610 --> 01:01:02,529 - It's hard to know 2271 01:01:02,562 --> 01:01:05,980 that you're gonna have to 2272 01:01:02,562 --> 01:01:05,980 endure another one. 2273 01:01:05,131 --> 01:01:08,501 - A trial date was set 2274 01:01:05,131 --> 01:01:08,501 for seven months later, 2275 01:01:08,535 --> 01:01:12,720 October 2013, 2276 01:01:08,535 --> 01:01:12,720 and trial number two 2277 01:01:12,105 --> 01:01:14,374 would be heard 2278 01:01:12,105 --> 01:01:14,374 in a new courthouse. 2279 01:01:14,407 --> 01:01:15,742 There'd been 2280 01:01:14,407 --> 01:01:15,742 a change of venue 2281 01:01:15,775 --> 01:01:17,677 to the town 2282 01:01:15,775 --> 01:01:17,677 of Mount Pleasant, 2283 01:01:17,711 --> 01:01:20,800 making it even 2284 01:01:17,711 --> 01:01:20,800 tougher on the Caldwells, 2285 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,184 the daily treks to court, 2286 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,184 lives disrupted. 2287 01:01:24,217 --> 01:01:26,553 The new courtroom had 2288 01:01:24,217 --> 01:01:26,553 a distinctive layout 2289 01:01:26,586 --> 01:01:30,490 that put the Caldwell family 2290 01:01:26,586 --> 01:01:30,490 directly behind the defendant. 2291 01:01:30,523 --> 01:01:33,993 - He's literally sitting right 2292 01:01:30,523 --> 01:01:33,993 in front of me like you are. 2293 01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:36,863 - Which only made it more 2294 01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:36,863 frustrating for Presley, 2295 01:01:36,896 --> 01:01:39,366 who was still trying 2296 01:01:36,896 --> 01:01:39,366 for any kind of connection 2297 01:01:39,399 --> 01:01:42,268 to someone she once 2298 01:01:39,399 --> 01:01:42,268 loved like a brother. 2299 01:01:42,302 --> 01:01:44,804 - I'm just staring at him, 2300 01:01:42,302 --> 01:01:44,804 like just glance at me, 2301 01:01:44,838 --> 01:01:48,341 do something, 2302 01:01:44,838 --> 01:01:48,341 and he doesn't. 2303 01:01:48,375 --> 01:01:50,744 - And even more painful 2304 01:01:48,375 --> 01:01:50,744 for the family 2305 01:01:50,777 --> 01:01:54,547 was having to sit through again 2306 01:01:50,777 --> 01:01:54,547 all that heartbreaking testimony 2307 01:01:54,581 --> 01:01:56,583 and raw crime scene photos 2308 01:01:56,616 --> 01:01:59,386 of their Lisa and 2309 01:01:56,616 --> 01:01:59,386 the unborn baby girl. 2310 01:01:59,419 --> 01:02:01,521 Other than the 2311 01:01:59,419 --> 01:02:01,521 change of venue, 2312 01:02:01,554 --> 01:02:03,390 Seth Techel's 2313 01:02:01,554 --> 01:02:03,390 second murder trial 2314 01:02:03,423 --> 01:02:06,920 played out as a carbon copy 2315 01:02:03,423 --> 01:02:06,920 of the first-- 2316 01:02:06,126 --> 01:02:09,863 same lawyers, same judge, 2317 01:02:06,126 --> 01:02:09,863 same arguments, 2318 01:02:09,896 --> 01:02:12,399 a replay of two 2319 01:02:09,896 --> 01:02:12,399 opposing theories, 2320 01:02:12,432 --> 01:02:15,602 Brian Tate, the other suspect, 2321 01:02:12,432 --> 01:02:15,602 versus Seth Techel, 2322 01:02:15,635 --> 01:02:17,604 the husband with 2323 01:02:15,635 --> 01:02:17,604 the other woman. 2324 01:02:17,637 --> 01:02:21,274 Rachel McFarland was again 2325 01:02:17,637 --> 01:02:21,274 the prosecution's star witness. 2326 01:02:21,307 --> 01:02:24,811 - Here on May 4th of 2012, 2327 01:02:21,307 --> 01:02:24,811 he sent you a message 2328 01:02:24,844 --> 01:02:28,415 with a picture of his-his own 2329 01:02:24,844 --> 01:02:28,415 smiling face saying, 2330 01:02:28,448 --> 01:02:29,916 "Miss you, Bella." 2331 01:02:28,448 --> 01:02:29,916 - Mm-hmm. 2332 01:02:29,949 --> 01:02:32,686 - Was that a term of endearment 2333 01:02:29,949 --> 01:02:32,686 that he called you, 2334 01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:34,421 his Bella? 2335 01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:34,421 - Yes, yes. 2336 01:02:34,454 --> 01:02:37,590 - You sent him a picture of 2337 01:02:34,454 --> 01:02:37,590 you in either a bikini 2338 01:02:37,624 --> 01:02:38,925 or your bra and underwear. 2339 01:02:38,958 --> 01:02:40,927 Is that right? 2340 01:02:38,958 --> 01:02:40,927 - Yes. 2341 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,730 - And then he says, 2342 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,730 "Well, wish me luck. 2343 01:02:43,763 --> 01:02:47,901 "I love you," 2344 01:02:43,763 --> 01:02:47,901 at 10:51 p.m. 2345 01:02:47,934 --> 01:02:52,839 on May 24th of 2012. 2346 01:02:52,872 --> 01:02:56,743 What was he asking you 2347 01:02:52,872 --> 01:02:56,743 to wish him well with? 2348 01:02:56,776 --> 01:02:59,120 - I believe that he was 2349 01:02:56,776 --> 01:02:59,120 gonna tell her 2350 01:02:59,112 --> 01:03:01,348 that he wanted a divorce. 2351 01:03:01,381 --> 01:03:04,500 - Two days later, 2352 01:03:01,381 --> 01:03:04,500 Lisa was dead. 2353 01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:07,854 - He's manic. 2354 01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:07,854 He's up all the time. 2355 01:03:07,887 --> 01:03:11,725 - The defense offered the jury 2356 01:03:07,887 --> 01:03:11,725 the same bogeyman as before. 2357 01:03:11,758 --> 01:03:14,627 - The defense went even 2358 01:03:11,758 --> 01:03:14,627 harder at Brian Tate 2359 01:03:14,661 --> 01:03:16,563 than they had 2360 01:03:14,661 --> 01:03:16,563 the first time around. 2361 01:03:16,596 --> 01:03:19,733 - And he could quickly become 2362 01:03:16,596 --> 01:03:19,733 volatile and agitated. 2363 01:03:19,766 --> 01:03:21,267 - This time, the defense, 2364 01:03:21,301 --> 01:03:23,737 over strenuous 2365 01:03:21,301 --> 01:03:23,737 prosecution objections, 2366 01:03:23,770 --> 01:03:26,506 got Tate's psychiatrist 2367 01:03:23,770 --> 01:03:26,506 to testify. 2368 01:03:26,539 --> 01:03:28,742 He treated him near 2369 01:03:26,539 --> 01:03:28,742 the end of his life 2370 01:03:28,775 --> 01:03:30,810 in a hospital 2371 01:03:28,775 --> 01:03:30,810 mental health unit. 2372 01:03:30,844 --> 01:03:32,846 - When you first saw him, 2373 01:03:30,844 --> 01:03:32,846 did you find him to be 2374 01:03:32,879 --> 01:03:36,116 paranoid-paranoid, delusional? 2375 01:03:32,879 --> 01:03:36,116 - Yes, sir. 2376 01:03:36,149 --> 01:03:39,986 - And was there a general 2377 01:03:36,149 --> 01:03:39,986 topic of delusion 2378 01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:41,654 at which he 2379 01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:41,654 was paranoid? 2380 01:03:41,688 --> 01:03:44,657 - He seemed to make 2381 01:03:41,688 --> 01:03:44,657 reference that there were 2382 01:03:44,691 --> 01:03:47,360 some governmental 2383 01:03:44,691 --> 01:03:47,360 conspiracies affecting him. 2384 01:03:47,394 --> 01:03:49,950 - After three weeks 2385 01:03:47,394 --> 01:03:49,950 of trial, 2386 01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:52,198 a second jury had Seth Techel's 2387 01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:52,198 fate in its hands, 2388 01:03:52,232 --> 01:03:56,269 and that's when things 2389 01:03:52,232 --> 01:03:56,269 got deja vu all over again. 2390 01:03:56,302 --> 01:03:58,371 The judge read a note 2391 01:03:56,302 --> 01:03:58,371 from the foreman. 2392 01:03:58,405 --> 01:04:01,341 - "We are not going to reach 2393 01:03:58,405 --> 01:04:01,341 a verdict. What's next?" 2394 01:04:01,374 --> 01:04:03,243 - Todd, it's happening 2395 01:04:01,374 --> 01:04:03,243 again, huh? 2396 01:04:03,276 --> 01:04:04,310 - Yeah, and I'm thinkin' 2397 01:04:04,344 --> 01:04:06,846 this is two months' 2398 01:04:04,344 --> 01:04:06,846 worth of trials, 2399 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,820 and we're right 2400 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,820 back to the beginning. 2401 01:04:09,115 --> 01:04:11,951 - But the judge 2402 01:04:09,115 --> 01:04:11,951 wasn't ready to give up. 2403 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,154 He told the jurors 2404 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,154 to keep trying. 2405 01:04:14,187 --> 01:04:17,900 Emotions in the open 2406 01:04:14,187 --> 01:04:17,900 courtroom were raw, 2407 01:04:17,123 --> 01:04:18,958 especially on the 2408 01:04:17,123 --> 01:04:18,958 Caldwell side. 2409 01:04:19,590 --> 01:04:20,860 The jury couldn't 2410 01:04:19,590 --> 01:04:20,860 help but hear it. 2411 01:04:20,894 --> 01:04:22,562 - Presley and I were crying. 2412 01:04:22,595 --> 01:04:24,597 We weren't crying 2413 01:04:22,595 --> 01:04:24,597 uncontrollably or anything, 2414 01:04:24,631 --> 01:04:27,367 but you could hear us, you 2415 01:04:24,631 --> 01:04:27,367 know, sniffling a little. 2416 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,968 - As the jury filed out, 2417 01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:32,439 defense attorney Steve Gardner 2418 01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:32,439 rose to scold the spectators. 2419 01:04:32,472 --> 01:04:34,874 "Stop the over-the-top 2420 01:04:32,472 --> 01:04:34,874 outbursts," he said, 2421 01:04:34,908 --> 01:04:38,511 "Or he'd demand a mistrial 2422 01:04:34,908 --> 01:04:38,511 in fairness to his client." 2423 01:04:38,545 --> 01:04:40,880 - I do not desire 2424 01:04:38,545 --> 01:04:40,880 this jury 2425 01:04:40,914 --> 01:04:45,218 to be influenced 2426 01:04:40,914 --> 01:04:45,218 by the public. 2427 01:04:45,251 --> 01:04:48,688 - Now, it was the prosecutors' 2428 01:04:45,251 --> 01:04:48,688 turn to seethe. 2429 01:04:48,722 --> 01:04:51,558 - The defense is making a speech 2430 01:04:48,722 --> 01:04:51,558 about the Caldwell family 2431 01:04:51,591 --> 01:04:53,460 trying to somehow 2432 01:04:51,591 --> 01:04:53,460 influence the jury, 2433 01:04:53,493 --> 01:04:55,195 which we thought 2434 01:04:53,493 --> 01:04:55,195 was ludicrous. 2435 01:04:55,228 --> 01:04:57,630 I squeezed Andy's arm, 2436 01:04:55,228 --> 01:04:57,630 and I said, "I'll take this." 2437 01:04:57,664 --> 01:05:01,401 - To stand up here and suggest 2438 01:04:57,664 --> 01:05:01,401 that anyone in the courtroom 2439 01:05:01,434 --> 01:05:05,872 is making an attempt to 2440 01:05:01,434 --> 01:05:05,872 intentionally influence the jury 2441 01:05:05,905 --> 01:05:09,542 is absolute nonsense. 2442 01:05:05,905 --> 01:05:09,542 - That's all for now. 2443 01:05:09,576 --> 01:05:11,745 - The courtroom started 2444 01:05:09,576 --> 01:05:11,745 to settle down and clear, 2445 01:05:11,778 --> 01:05:14,547 but Seth remained 2446 01:05:11,778 --> 01:05:14,547 at the defense table, 2447 01:05:14,581 --> 01:05:18,218 his former father-in-law coiled 2448 01:05:14,581 --> 01:05:18,218 behind him ready to pounce. 2449 01:05:18,251 --> 01:05:21,721 - I was just praying, please 2450 01:05:18,251 --> 01:05:21,721 just let me stand here. 2451 01:05:21,755 --> 01:05:23,656 - For more than a minute, 2452 01:05:21,755 --> 01:05:23,656 glaring, 2453 01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:27,600 burning a hole in Seth's back, 2454 01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:27,600 if looks could kill. 2455 01:05:27,930 --> 01:05:30,263 - There's just kind of an urge 2456 01:05:27,930 --> 01:05:30,263 to move forward, not keep-- 2457 01:05:30,296 --> 01:05:31,331 - Jump the rail. 2458 01:05:30,296 --> 01:05:31,331 - Yeah. 2459 01:05:31,364 --> 01:05:32,932 God, please don't 2460 01:05:31,364 --> 01:05:32,932 make me do that. 2461 01:05:32,966 --> 01:05:34,167 Just let me stand. 2462 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,735 - What were you 2463 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,735 doing in your mind? 2464 01:05:35,769 --> 01:05:36,703 - I don't really wanna 2465 01:05:35,769 --> 01:05:36,703 even think 2466 01:05:36,736 --> 01:05:38,705 of what I was doing 2467 01:05:36,736 --> 01:05:38,705 in the mind. 2468 01:05:38,738 --> 01:05:41,241 I was wantin' 2469 01:05:38,738 --> 01:05:41,241 to do somethin'. 2470 01:05:41,274 --> 01:05:43,877 - Two hours later, 2471 01:05:41,274 --> 01:05:43,877 the jurors returned, 2472 01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:45,779 but nothing had changed. 2473 01:05:45,812 --> 01:05:48,548 - A mistrial is declared. 2474 01:05:45,812 --> 01:05:48,548 - Unbelievable. 2475 01:05:48,581 --> 01:05:51,484 Veteran prosecutors who'd 2476 01:05:48,581 --> 01:05:51,484 never had a hung jury before 2477 01:05:51,518 --> 01:05:53,653 were now 0 for 2. 2478 01:05:53,687 --> 01:05:56,389 Again, the state 2479 01:05:53,687 --> 01:05:56,389 didn't hesitate. 2480 01:05:56,423 --> 01:05:59,426 Seth Techel would go on 2481 01:05:56,423 --> 01:05:59,426 trial for a third time. 2482 01:05:59,459 --> 01:06:01,327 - Our intent is to retry it. 2483 01:06:01,361 --> 01:06:03,897 It was an easy 2484 01:06:01,361 --> 01:06:03,897 decision to make. 2485 01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:05,932 - Even though 2486 01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:05,932 the jury's vote 2487 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,901 was again in favor 2488 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,901 of conviction, 2489 01:06:07,934 --> 01:06:09,302 this time 9 to 3, 2490 01:06:09,336 --> 01:06:12,706 Lisa's family was starting 2491 01:06:09,336 --> 01:06:12,706 to have its doubts. 2492 01:06:12,739 --> 01:06:14,941 - Is there something that 2493 01:06:12,739 --> 01:06:14,941 I'm just overlooking? 2494 01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:16,276 Like, did he not do it? 2495 01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:17,610 Is there something 2496 01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:17,610 that they just see, 2497 01:06:17,644 --> 01:06:21,448 and they're like, 2498 01:06:17,644 --> 01:06:21,448 "He's not guilty?" 2499 01:06:21,481 --> 01:06:22,949 - But just when 2500 01:06:21,481 --> 01:06:22,949 they thought 2501 01:06:23,490 --> 01:06:25,151 they couldn't suffer 2502 01:06:23,490 --> 01:06:25,151 any more heartbreak, 2503 01:06:25,185 --> 01:06:26,920 the Caldwells 2504 01:06:25,185 --> 01:06:26,920 would be devastated 2505 01:06:26,953 --> 01:06:30,190 by new findings 2506 01:06:26,953 --> 01:06:30,190 by a brand-new defense team. 2507 01:06:30,223 --> 01:06:33,426 - I heard it about 2508 01:06:30,223 --> 01:06:33,426 a week before the trial, 2509 01:06:33,460 --> 01:06:36,529 and it was just like somebody 2510 01:06:33,460 --> 01:06:36,529 hit me in the stomach. 2511 01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:41,267 - The defense 2512 01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:41,267 comes out swinging. 2513 01:06:41,301 --> 01:06:46,373 - There was absolutely no DNA, 2514 01:06:41,301 --> 01:06:46,373 fingerprint, uh, confession. 2515 01:06:52,112 --> 01:06:55,482 ** 2516 01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:57,830 Welcome back. 2517 01:06:57,117 --> 01:06:58,885 Seth Techel had 2518 01:06:57,117 --> 01:06:58,885 been tried twice 2519 01:06:58,918 --> 01:07:01,488 for the murder of 2520 01:06:58,918 --> 01:07:01,488 his pregnant wife, Lisa, 2521 01:07:01,521 --> 01:07:04,570 and both times 2522 01:07:01,521 --> 01:07:04,570 the jury deadlocked. 2523 01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:06,926 But for trial number three, 2524 01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:06,926 the defense would be armed 2525 01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:08,895 with stunning 2526 01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:08,895 new accusations 2527 01:07:08,928 --> 01:07:12,232 about the investigation 2528 01:07:08,928 --> 01:07:12,232 and Lisa herself. 2529 01:07:12,265 --> 01:07:15,135 One more dark secret 2530 01:07:12,265 --> 01:07:15,135 was about to be revealed 2531 01:07:15,168 --> 01:07:18,238 that would shake the foundations 2532 01:07:15,168 --> 01:07:18,238 of the state's case 2533 01:07:18,271 --> 01:07:21,708 and throw justice for 2534 01:07:18,271 --> 01:07:21,708 Lisa into jeopardy. 2535 01:07:21,741 --> 01:07:25,450 Here again, Dennis Murphy 2536 01:07:21,741 --> 01:07:25,450 with "Before Dawn." 2537 01:07:27,881 --> 01:07:30,116 - Two families, 2538 01:07:27,881 --> 01:07:30,116 two trials, 2539 01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:32,485 and, so far, 2540 01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:32,485 no winners, 2541 01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:35,522 but trial number three 2542 01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:35,522 promised to be different, 2543 01:07:35,555 --> 01:07:37,424 starting with 2544 01:07:35,555 --> 01:07:37,424 a new defense team. 2545 01:07:37,457 --> 01:07:39,626 - The previous trials 2546 01:07:37,457 --> 01:07:39,626 were not successes, 2547 01:07:39,659 --> 01:07:41,428 and Seth came 2548 01:07:39,659 --> 01:07:41,428 dangerously close 2549 01:07:41,461 --> 01:07:43,396 to being convicted 2550 01:07:41,461 --> 01:07:43,396 in-in each of them. 2551 01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:46,990 - State appointed defense 2552 01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:46,990 lawyers Roger Owens 2553 01:07:46,132 --> 01:07:48,735 and Jake Feuerhelm knew that, 2554 01:07:46,132 --> 01:07:48,735 in two trials, 2555 01:07:48,768 --> 01:07:53,473 19 of 24 jurors had voted 2556 01:07:48,768 --> 01:07:53,473 to convict Seth Techel. 2557 01:07:53,506 --> 01:07:54,908 They didn't like 2558 01:07:53,506 --> 01:07:54,908 those numbers 2559 01:07:54,941 --> 01:07:57,277 and decided to head in 2560 01:07:54,941 --> 01:07:57,277 a different direction. 2561 01:07:57,310 --> 01:08:02,150 - We chose to focus 2562 01:07:57,310 --> 01:08:02,150 on the sloppy work 2563 01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:04,170 done by the 2564 01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:04,170 law enforcement. 2565 01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:09,322 There was absolutely no DNA, 2566 01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:09,322 fingerprint, uh, confession. 2567 01:08:09,356 --> 01:08:13,326 - Feuerhelm would argue it was 2568 01:08:09,356 --> 01:08:13,326 a botched investigation. 2569 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:14,794 Why would crime 2570 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:14,794 scene techs 2571 01:08:14,828 --> 01:08:17,197 do tests to match the slug 2572 01:08:14,828 --> 01:08:17,197 to the murder weapon 2573 01:08:17,229 --> 01:08:19,866 but never check it for 2574 01:08:17,229 --> 01:08:19,866 fingerprints or DNA 2575 01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:22,202 that might link it 2576 01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:22,202 to the shooter? 2577 01:08:22,234 --> 01:08:25,710 - Did you test the bullet 2578 01:08:22,234 --> 01:08:25,710 that was in the chamber 2579 01:08:25,104 --> 01:08:26,406 that killed this woman? 2580 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,242 "No, we forgot, 2581 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,242 or we didn't do it." 2582 01:08:29,274 --> 01:08:31,176 - Whoops. 2583 01:08:29,274 --> 01:08:31,176 - Whoops. 2584 01:08:31,211 --> 01:08:34,447 - The new defense team 2585 01:08:31,211 --> 01:08:34,447 had a new story to tell. 2586 01:08:34,481 --> 01:08:37,684 It was all a rush to 2587 01:08:34,481 --> 01:08:37,684 judgement to blame Seth, 2588 01:08:37,716 --> 01:08:41,254 who'd been in jail ever since 2589 01:08:37,716 --> 01:08:41,254 his arrest two years earlier. 2590 01:08:41,287 --> 01:08:44,457 And there was another 2591 01:08:41,287 --> 01:08:44,457 big, strategic shift. 2592 01:08:44,491 --> 01:08:45,859 They would soften 2593 01:08:44,491 --> 01:08:45,859 the focus 2594 01:08:45,892 --> 01:08:49,562 on the bogeyman of the first 2595 01:08:45,892 --> 01:08:49,562 two trials, Brian Tate. 2596 01:08:49,595 --> 01:08:50,796 - Our conclusion was, 2597 01:08:50,830 --> 01:08:53,660 after listening to the tapes 2598 01:08:50,830 --> 01:08:53,660 of Mr. Tate, 2599 01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:55,502 that he wasn't 2600 01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:55,502 the deranged person 2601 01:08:55,535 --> 01:08:57,604 that they tried to 2602 01:08:55,535 --> 01:08:57,604 portray him as being. 2603 01:08:57,636 --> 01:09:00,372 - The way he was speaking to 2604 01:08:57,636 --> 01:09:00,372 law enforcement that afternoon 2605 01:09:00,407 --> 01:09:02,609 would not seem 2606 01:09:00,407 --> 01:09:02,609 like the person 2607 01:09:02,642 --> 01:09:04,310 that would have walked 2608 01:09:02,642 --> 01:09:04,310 into a trailer home 2609 01:09:04,344 --> 01:09:06,912 at 5:00 in the morning 2610 01:09:04,344 --> 01:09:06,912 and murdered his neighbor. 2611 01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:09,883 - The defense attorneys 2612 01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:09,883 made a tactical decision. 2613 01:09:09,916 --> 01:09:11,317 Since recordings of Tate 2614 01:09:11,350 --> 01:09:13,420 didn't make him look 2615 01:09:11,350 --> 01:09:13,420 like a dangerous killer, 2616 01:09:13,453 --> 01:09:16,560 they would not show tapes 2617 01:09:13,453 --> 01:09:16,560 of him to the jury, 2618 01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:17,691 and they'd roll the dice, 2619 01:09:17,724 --> 01:09:20,527 hoping the prosecutors 2620 01:09:17,724 --> 01:09:20,527 wouldn't either. 2621 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,796 The Caldwells and Techels had 2622 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,796 been put through the ringer 2623 01:09:23,830 --> 01:09:25,631 for more 2624 01:09:23,830 --> 01:09:25,631 than two years. 2625 01:09:25,665 --> 01:09:28,680 Their once close 2626 01:09:25,665 --> 01:09:28,680 relationship had frayed, 2627 01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:31,671 and now the third trial was 2628 01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:31,671 pushing everyone to the brink. 2629 01:09:31,705 --> 01:09:33,907 It was an impossible 2630 01:09:31,705 --> 01:09:33,907 situation, 2631 01:09:33,939 --> 01:09:36,509 but somehow Todd Caldwell 2632 01:09:33,939 --> 01:09:36,509 and Doug Techel 2633 01:09:36,542 --> 01:09:39,345 managed to find 2634 01:09:36,542 --> 01:09:39,345 a moment of grace. 2635 01:09:39,379 --> 01:09:42,649 - I went over to him, 2636 01:09:39,379 --> 01:09:42,649 and I just said, 2637 01:09:42,682 --> 01:09:45,685 "Doug, I want you to know that 2638 01:09:42,682 --> 01:09:45,685 I think you're a great guy. 2639 01:09:45,719 --> 01:09:47,529 "I think you're 2640 01:09:45,719 --> 01:09:47,529 a good person." 2641 01:09:47,529 --> 01:09:48,888 - Did you, really? 2642 01:09:47,529 --> 01:09:48,888 - "No matter how this turns out, 2643 01:09:48,921 --> 01:09:50,189 "I just want you 2644 01:09:48,921 --> 01:09:50,189 to know that." 2645 01:09:50,223 --> 01:09:52,725 And he said, "I think the same 2646 01:09:50,223 --> 01:09:52,725 thing with you, Todd." 2647 01:09:52,759 --> 01:09:55,950 And I went to 2648 01:09:52,759 --> 01:09:55,950 shake his hand, 2649 01:09:55,128 --> 01:09:57,764 and he just hugged me, 2650 01:09:55,128 --> 01:09:57,764 and we both just hugged. 2651 01:09:57,797 --> 01:10:00,660 - The two fathers 2652 01:09:57,797 --> 01:10:00,660 then returned 2653 01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:02,602 to opposite sides 2654 01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:02,602 of a murder trial. 2655 01:10:02,635 --> 01:10:05,472 July 2014, 2656 01:10:02,635 --> 01:10:05,472 for the third time, 2657 01:10:05,505 --> 01:10:08,575 the State of Iowa 2658 01:10:05,505 --> 01:10:08,575 versus Seth Techel. 2659 01:10:08,608 --> 01:10:10,377 - Counsel, are you 2660 01:10:08,608 --> 01:10:10,377 ready for the jury? 2661 01:10:10,410 --> 01:10:12,445 - This time, in Davenport, 2662 01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,810 three hours from the first 2663 01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,810 courthouse in Ottumwa. 2664 01:10:15,115 --> 01:10:16,116 - And he took it in-- 2665 01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:17,650 - The prosecutors 2666 01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:17,650 once again argued 2667 01:10:17,684 --> 01:10:20,860 that Seth's story 2668 01:10:17,684 --> 01:10:20,860 defied logic. 2669 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:21,287 - He would have to be 2670 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:21,287 the victim 2671 01:10:21,321 --> 01:10:23,623 of one of the largest 2672 01:10:21,321 --> 01:10:23,623 coincidences ever known, 2673 01:10:23,656 --> 01:10:25,580 and that his he 2674 01:10:23,656 --> 01:10:25,580 told his girlfriend 2675 01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:25,992 that he left 2676 01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:25,992 his wife, 2677 01:10:26,260 --> 01:10:28,294 and a little less 2678 01:10:26,260 --> 01:10:28,294 than 17 hours later, 2679 01:10:28,328 --> 01:10:30,196 some unknown assailant 2680 01:10:28,328 --> 01:10:30,196 breaks into his house 2681 01:10:30,230 --> 01:10:32,665 and kills the wife that he, uh, 2682 01:10:30,230 --> 01:10:32,665 says that he's gonna leave. 2683 01:10:32,699 --> 01:10:34,267 - With a weapon which he 2684 01:10:32,699 --> 01:10:34,267 hasn't brought with him. 2685 01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:35,368 - Right. 2686 01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:35,368 - Correct, 2687 01:10:35,402 --> 01:10:36,836 with a weapon which he hasn't 2688 01:10:35,402 --> 01:10:36,836 brought with him. 2689 01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:39,305 - I had a Mossberg 2690 01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:39,305 model 500 shotgun. 2691 01:10:39,339 --> 01:10:41,107 - A 12-gauge? 2692 01:10:39,339 --> 01:10:41,107 - Yes. 2693 01:10:41,141 --> 01:10:42,976 - And Seth, 2694 01:10:41,141 --> 01:10:42,976 prosecutors said, 2695 01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:45,178 had easy access 2696 01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:45,178 to the murder weapon, 2697 01:10:45,211 --> 01:10:48,415 the shotgun that his friend, 2698 01:10:45,211 --> 01:10:48,415 Lucas, kept in Seth's house. 2699 01:10:48,448 --> 01:10:51,618 - Is that the 12-gauge 2700 01:10:48,448 --> 01:10:51,618 Mossberg shotgun that, uh, 2701 01:10:51,651 --> 01:10:53,787 you left behind at 2702 01:10:51,651 --> 01:10:53,787 the Techel residence 2703 01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:55,655 when you moved out 2704 01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:55,655 in May of 2012? 2705 01:10:55,689 --> 01:10:56,856 - Yes. 2706 01:10:56,890 --> 01:11:00,393 - And the prosecutors argued 2707 01:10:56,890 --> 01:11:00,393 only Seth had a motive. 2708 01:11:00,427 --> 01:11:03,163 They said Seth and Rachel's 2709 01:11:00,427 --> 01:11:03,163 steamy texts 2710 01:11:03,196 --> 01:11:05,865 and cell phone photos 2711 01:11:03,196 --> 01:11:05,865 played like a countdown 2712 01:11:05,899 --> 01:11:07,534 to murder by Seth. 2713 01:11:07,567 --> 01:11:09,469 - It's at 9:20 p.m. 2714 01:11:07,567 --> 01:11:09,469 on the 24th. 2715 01:11:09,502 --> 01:11:12,105 You asked him, "Do you 2716 01:11:09,502 --> 01:11:12,105 really wanna be with me?" 2717 01:11:12,138 --> 01:11:16,543 And he responds, "Forever." 2718 01:11:12,138 --> 01:11:16,543 - Right. Yes. 2719 01:11:16,576 --> 01:11:20,647 - That's May 24th, 2720 01:11:16,576 --> 01:11:20,647 two days before Lisa's death, 2721 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,350 and, in a follow-up text, 2722 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,350 Rachel asked Seth 2723 01:11:23,383 --> 01:11:26,119 if he told his wife 2724 01:11:23,383 --> 01:11:26,119 he wanted a divorce yet. 2725 01:11:26,152 --> 01:11:28,955 - And he responds, 2726 01:11:26,152 --> 01:11:28,955 "Well, we talked. 2727 01:11:28,988 --> 01:11:31,358 "I told her 2728 01:11:28,988 --> 01:11:31,358 I wasn't happy. 2729 01:11:31,391 --> 01:11:34,327 "She got mad, 2730 01:11:31,391 --> 01:11:34,327 then sad. 2731 01:11:34,361 --> 01:11:36,262 "Then I slept 2732 01:11:34,361 --> 01:11:36,262 on the couch. 2733 01:11:36,296 --> 01:11:39,866 "So, hello, 2734 01:11:36,296 --> 01:11:39,866 Mrs. Resuscitator." 2735 01:11:39,899 --> 01:11:42,702 - Correct. 2736 01:11:39,899 --> 01:11:42,702 - Rachel told the jury 2737 01:11:42,736 --> 01:11:44,671 that she and co-workers 2738 01:11:42,736 --> 01:11:44,671 nicknamed Seth 2739 01:11:44,704 --> 01:11:46,339 "Mr. Resuscitator" 2740 01:11:46,373 --> 01:11:48,375 because he was 2741 01:11:46,373 --> 01:11:48,375 a volunteer firefighter 2742 01:11:48,408 --> 01:11:52,212 who often bragged about his 2743 01:11:48,408 --> 01:11:52,212 lifesaving CPR heroics. 2744 01:11:52,245 --> 01:11:54,347 - So he was gonna be 2745 01:11:52,245 --> 01:11:54,347 Mr. Resuscitator, 2746 01:11:54,381 --> 01:11:56,816 and you were gonna be 2747 01:11:54,381 --> 01:11:56,816 Mrs. Resuscitator. 2748 01:11:56,850 --> 01:11:58,318 - Yeah. 2749 01:11:58,351 --> 01:12:00,253 - Then to drive home 2750 01:11:58,351 --> 01:12:00,253 their contention 2751 01:12:00,286 --> 01:12:02,756 that Seth chose murder 2752 01:12:00,286 --> 01:12:02,756 over divorce, 2753 01:12:02,789 --> 01:12:04,524 prosecutors called 2754 01:12:02,789 --> 01:12:04,524 a co-worker 2755 01:12:04,557 --> 01:12:06,459 who'd been a confidante 2756 01:12:04,557 --> 01:12:06,459 of Seth's. 2757 01:12:06,493 --> 01:12:08,228 - Swear or affirm that 2758 01:12:06,493 --> 01:12:08,228 the testimony-- 2759 01:12:08,261 --> 01:12:09,329 - I just expressed 2760 01:12:09,362 --> 01:12:11,931 that he just needed to 2761 01:12:09,362 --> 01:12:11,931 either end his marriage 2762 01:12:11,965 --> 01:12:13,166 or end it 2763 01:12:11,965 --> 01:12:13,166 with Rachel. 2764 01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:15,235 - And in saying 2765 01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:15,235 that he should 2766 01:12:15,268 --> 01:12:17,700 end his marriage 2767 01:12:15,268 --> 01:12:17,700 with Lisa Techel, 2768 01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:20,573 did he make any, uh, comment 2769 01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:20,573 concerning child support? 2770 01:12:20,607 --> 01:12:23,760 - He asked me if I wanted 2771 01:12:20,607 --> 01:12:23,760 to pay his child support. 2772 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,445 - And then the witness 2773 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,445 recalled another remark 2774 01:12:25,478 --> 01:12:27,247 Seth made about Lisa. 2775 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:28,815 - He stated that 2776 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:28,815 it would be better off 2777 01:12:28,848 --> 01:12:31,184 if she was in a car wreck 2778 01:12:28,848 --> 01:12:31,184 and died. 2779 01:12:31,217 --> 01:12:34,521 - Prosecutors hoped their 2780 01:12:31,217 --> 01:12:34,521 third time would be the charm, 2781 01:12:34,554 --> 01:12:37,900 but the new defense 2782 01:12:34,554 --> 01:12:37,900 attorneys would come at them 2783 01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:38,458 with everything they had, 2784 01:12:38,491 --> 01:12:42,950 and that included 2785 01:12:38,491 --> 01:12:42,950 explosive new evidence, 2786 01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:44,698 and this time, 2787 01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:44,698 it was about Lisa. 2788 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,802 You found out the story 2789 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,802 told by the phone, 2790 01:12:48,835 --> 01:12:50,470 that there was 2791 01:12:48,835 --> 01:12:50,470 this guy, co-worker. 2792 01:12:50,503 --> 01:12:51,471 - Right. 2793 01:12:51,504 --> 01:12:53,973 - Was there another man 2794 01:12:51,504 --> 01:12:53,973 in Lisa's life? 2795 01:13:00,246 --> 01:13:03,917 ** 2796 01:13:04,751 --> 01:13:07,787 - From the day 2797 01:13:04,751 --> 01:13:07,787 Lisa Techel was murdered, 2798 01:13:07,821 --> 01:13:10,657 Brian Tate had been 2799 01:13:07,821 --> 01:13:10,657 targeted as a suspect. 2800 01:13:13,626 --> 01:13:17,630 And he'd been exploited by 2801 01:13:13,626 --> 01:13:17,630 Seth's defense ever since. 2802 01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:19,766 - The question that you will 2803 01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:19,766 have to consider, 2804 01:13:19,799 --> 01:13:20,934 is whether or not 2805 01:13:20,967 --> 01:13:24,371 the state has proven 2806 01:13:20,967 --> 01:13:24,371 that Seth Techel did it. 2807 01:13:24,404 --> 01:13:28,740 - New defense attorneys 2808 01:13:24,404 --> 01:13:28,740 Roger Owens and Jake Feuerhelm 2809 01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:30,510 had a completely 2810 01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:30,510 different strategy. 2811 01:13:30,543 --> 01:13:33,790 They barely mentioned 2812 01:13:30,543 --> 01:13:33,790 Tate's name. 2813 01:13:33,790 --> 01:13:36,649 Rachel, offered as Seth's motive 2814 01:13:33,790 --> 01:13:36,649 for murder in earlier trials, 2815 01:13:36,683 --> 01:13:38,518 was also minimized 2816 01:13:36,683 --> 01:13:38,518 this time. 2817 01:13:38,551 --> 01:13:39,719 - Good afternoon, 2818 01:13:38,551 --> 01:13:39,719 Miss McFarland. 2819 01:13:39,753 --> 01:13:41,721 - Hi. 2820 01:13:39,753 --> 01:13:41,721 - In cross-examination, 2821 01:13:41,755 --> 01:13:45,425 Rachel was on the stand 2822 01:13:41,755 --> 01:13:45,425 for a scant seven minutes. 2823 01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:47,227 Tick-tock, there is 2824 01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:47,227 the message on Thursday. 2825 01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:50,730 "Mr. and Mrs. Resuscitator, 2826 01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:50,730 blue skies ahead, 2827 01:13:50,764 --> 01:13:51,898 "we're a couple." 2828 01:13:51,931 --> 01:13:53,400 What do you do with 2829 01:13:51,931 --> 01:13:53,400 something like that? 2830 01:13:53,433 --> 01:13:55,869 - I tried to be as 2831 01:13:53,433 --> 01:13:55,869 straightforward as I could 2832 01:13:55,902 --> 01:13:56,936 with the jury. 2833 01:13:56,970 --> 01:13:59,606 Who in the world is going 2834 01:13:56,970 --> 01:13:59,606 to murder their wife 2835 01:13:59,639 --> 01:14:02,709 to facilitate 2836 01:13:59,639 --> 01:14:02,709 a relationship 2837 01:14:02,742 --> 01:14:05,211 that hasn't even 2838 01:14:02,742 --> 01:14:05,211 turned sexual? 2839 01:14:05,245 --> 01:14:07,147 - You're not having any sex 2840 01:14:05,245 --> 01:14:07,147 with this man, right? 2841 01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:08,715 - Correct. 2842 01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:08,715 - And the only time 2843 01:14:08,748 --> 01:14:10,417 that you'd ever seen him 2844 01:14:08,748 --> 01:14:10,417 in person 2845 01:14:10,450 --> 01:14:13,119 in your whole entire life 2846 01:14:10,450 --> 01:14:13,119 outside of work 2847 01:14:13,153 --> 01:14:15,789 was four or five times. 2848 01:14:13,153 --> 01:14:15,789 - Correct. 2849 01:14:15,822 --> 01:14:17,757 - I have no 2850 01:14:15,822 --> 01:14:17,757 further questions. 2851 01:14:17,791 --> 01:14:20,160 - What we wanted the jury 2852 01:14:17,791 --> 01:14:20,160 think about her is that, 2853 01:14:20,193 --> 01:14:23,163 you're gonna shoot 2854 01:14:20,193 --> 01:14:23,163 your wife for this? 2855 01:14:23,196 --> 01:14:26,933 - Attorneys Feuerhelm and Owens 2856 01:14:23,196 --> 01:14:26,933 then went on the attack, 2857 01:14:26,966 --> 01:14:29,169 characterizing the 2858 01:14:26,966 --> 01:14:29,169 work of investigators 2859 01:14:29,202 --> 01:14:31,710 as woefully shoddy. 2860 01:14:31,104 --> 01:14:32,272 - The "I's" have it-- 2861 01:14:32,305 --> 01:14:35,875 inconsistent, incompetent, 2862 01:14:32,305 --> 01:14:35,875 incomplete. 2863 01:14:35,909 --> 01:14:37,310 - The new defense thrust 2864 01:14:37,344 --> 01:14:39,713 was on what the investigators 2865 01:14:37,344 --> 01:14:39,713 did not do. 2866 01:14:39,746 --> 01:14:41,781 This state criminalist 2867 01:14:39,746 --> 01:14:41,781 had to admit 2868 01:14:41,815 --> 01:14:45,850 they did not test for 2869 01:14:41,815 --> 01:14:45,850 gunshot residue on Seth Techel. 2870 01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:47,754 - How many times do you think 2871 01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:47,754 you testified in criminal trials 2872 01:14:47,787 --> 01:14:52,459 that gunshot residue was 2873 01:14:47,787 --> 01:14:52,459 evidence of the crime? 2874 01:14:52,492 --> 01:14:55,929 - A lot. 2875 01:14:52,492 --> 01:14:55,929 - But, in this case, 2876 01:14:55,962 --> 01:14:59,532 no, we can't argue it, 2877 01:14:55,962 --> 01:14:59,532 'cause we don't have it. 2878 01:14:59,566 --> 01:15:02,369 - Yeah, exactly. 2879 01:14:59,566 --> 01:15:02,369 We-we'll never know. 2880 01:15:02,402 --> 01:15:03,603 - Never know. 2881 01:15:03,636 --> 01:15:05,805 - And the defense said 2882 01:15:03,636 --> 01:15:05,805 it was even more shocking 2883 01:15:05,839 --> 01:15:08,508 that the state expert had to 2884 01:15:05,839 --> 01:15:08,508 make a similar admission 2885 01:15:08,541 --> 01:15:10,610 about the fatal 2886 01:15:08,541 --> 01:15:10,610 shotgun shell. 2887 01:15:10,643 --> 01:15:13,213 - This is the shell that 2888 01:15:10,643 --> 01:15:13,213 killed Lisa Techel. 2889 01:15:13,246 --> 01:15:15,882 - Yes. 2890 01:15:13,246 --> 01:15:15,882 - The very shell 2891 01:15:15,915 --> 01:15:17,717 that killed this woman 2892 01:15:17,751 --> 01:15:21,354 was never examined 2893 01:15:17,751 --> 01:15:21,354 by the state. 2894 01:15:21,388 --> 01:15:23,423 They just said, 2895 01:15:21,388 --> 01:15:23,423 "We-we forgot to do it." 2896 01:15:23,456 --> 01:15:26,593 - But the centerpiece of the 2897 01:15:23,456 --> 01:15:26,593 defense case against the cops 2898 01:15:26,626 --> 01:15:28,862 was something 2899 01:15:26,626 --> 01:15:28,862 else they didn't do. 2900 01:15:28,895 --> 01:15:31,531 They'd been so busy 2901 01:15:28,895 --> 01:15:31,531 investigating Seth, 2902 01:15:31,564 --> 01:15:34,634 who'd been behind bars since 2903 01:15:31,564 --> 01:15:34,634 his arrest two years before, 2904 01:15:34,668 --> 01:15:37,971 that they never really 2905 01:15:34,668 --> 01:15:37,971 paid attention to Lisa. 2906 01:15:38,710 --> 01:15:40,730 The new defense team 2907 01:15:38,710 --> 01:15:40,730 would change all that, 2908 01:15:40,730 --> 01:15:43,410 starting with her cell phone 2909 01:15:40,730 --> 01:15:43,410 and the secrets it held. 2910 01:15:43,443 --> 01:15:45,345 You found out the story 2911 01:15:43,443 --> 01:15:45,345 told by the phone, 2912 01:15:45,378 --> 01:15:47,347 that there was this guy, 2913 01:15:45,378 --> 01:15:47,347 co-worker. 2914 01:15:47,380 --> 01:15:50,884 - Right. 2915 01:15:47,380 --> 01:15:50,884 - It was a bombshell. 2916 01:15:50,917 --> 01:15:54,587 Lisa was having an affair 2917 01:15:50,917 --> 01:15:54,587 with a fellow jailer. 2918 01:15:54,621 --> 01:15:58,910 Lisa's lover was a married man, 2919 01:15:54,621 --> 01:15:58,910 a father of four. 2920 01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:59,726 And this is not making out 2921 01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:59,726 in the back of the car. 2922 01:15:59,759 --> 01:16:02,829 - No, He thought he-- 2923 01:15:59,759 --> 01:16:02,829 could be the father of her-- 2924 01:16:02,862 --> 01:16:05,165 of the child. 2925 01:16:02,862 --> 01:16:05,165 He thought that. 2926 01:16:05,198 --> 01:16:08,234 - So, they called 2927 01:16:05,198 --> 01:16:08,234 Lisa's lover, Jason Tinnes, 2928 01:16:08,268 --> 01:16:09,469 to the stand. 2929 01:16:09,502 --> 01:16:12,405 - And back in May of 2012, 2930 01:16:09,502 --> 01:16:12,405 did you know a Lisa Techel? 2931 01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:13,340 - Yes, I did. 2932 01:16:13,373 --> 01:16:16,420 - Jason testified that 2933 01:16:13,373 --> 01:16:16,420 the affair started 2934 01:16:16,420 --> 01:16:17,844 before Lisa married Seth 2935 01:16:17,877 --> 01:16:20,547 and ended just weeks 2936 01:16:17,877 --> 01:16:20,547 before her murder. 2937 01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:23,750 - Mr. Tinnes, at some point, 2938 01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:23,750 did your relationship 2939 01:16:23,783 --> 01:16:26,860 with Lisa Techel 2940 01:16:23,783 --> 01:16:26,860 become sexual? 2941 01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:27,887 - Yes, it did. 2942 01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:27,887 - Now, when we talk 2943 01:16:27,921 --> 01:16:29,622 about a sexual relationship, 2944 01:16:27,921 --> 01:16:29,622 we're not talking 2945 01:16:29,656 --> 01:16:32,225 about texting, are we? 2946 01:16:29,656 --> 01:16:32,225 - No, sir. 2947 01:16:32,258 --> 01:16:33,660 - You're-you're 2948 01:16:32,258 --> 01:16:33,660 talk-talking 2949 01:16:33,693 --> 01:16:35,662 about actual sexual 2950 01:16:33,693 --> 01:16:35,662 intercourse, correct? 2951 01:16:35,695 --> 01:16:37,630 - Yes, sir. 2952 01:16:35,695 --> 01:16:37,630 - For Lisa's father, 2953 01:16:37,664 --> 01:16:40,133 the revelation that 2954 01:16:37,664 --> 01:16:40,133 his daughter had a lover 2955 01:16:40,166 --> 01:16:42,680 was the cruelest 2956 01:16:40,166 --> 01:16:42,680 blow yet. 2957 01:16:42,102 --> 01:16:44,270 - The first emotion 2958 01:16:42,102 --> 01:16:44,270 I had is, why? 2959 01:16:44,304 --> 01:16:46,506 Why, Lisa, you know? 2960 01:16:46,539 --> 01:16:50,760 And my second thought is, 2961 01:16:46,539 --> 01:16:50,760 I don't wanna tell Amy, 2962 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,413 'cause I know she's not 2963 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,413 gonna be happy. 2964 01:16:53,446 --> 01:16:55,382 - Does it taint 2965 01:16:53,446 --> 01:16:55,382 your memory at all? 2966 01:16:55,415 --> 01:16:58,840 - Really, what it did for me 2967 01:16:55,415 --> 01:16:58,840 more than anything is, 2968 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,420 I have so many 2969 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,420 more questions 2970 01:17:00,453 --> 01:17:02,555 that I'll never get 2971 01:17:00,453 --> 01:17:02,555 the chance to ask her. 2972 01:17:02,589 --> 01:17:06,920 I mean, I love Lisa, 2973 01:17:02,589 --> 01:17:06,920 and she was a human being. 2974 01:17:06,126 --> 01:17:07,560 She made mistakes. 2975 01:17:07,594 --> 01:17:10,230 - The graphic testimony 2976 01:17:07,594 --> 01:17:10,230 about Lisa's affair 2977 01:17:10,263 --> 01:17:11,765 and how police 2978 01:17:10,263 --> 01:17:11,765 overlooked it 2979 01:17:11,798 --> 01:17:13,900 fit perfectly with 2980 01:17:11,798 --> 01:17:13,900 the defense's theme 2981 01:17:13,933 --> 01:17:15,669 of a botched investigation 2982 01:17:15,702 --> 01:17:18,380 and a rush to judgement 2983 01:17:15,702 --> 01:17:18,380 against Seth. 2984 01:17:18,380 --> 01:17:19,472 - Here is a legitimate 2985 01:17:18,380 --> 01:17:19,472 suspect 2986 01:17:19,506 --> 01:17:21,141 that should have been 2987 01:17:19,506 --> 01:17:21,141 investigated. 2988 01:17:21,174 --> 01:17:23,610 - Investigators never 2989 01:17:21,174 --> 01:17:23,610 spoke to Jason 2990 01:17:23,643 --> 01:17:25,879 while they were building 2991 01:17:23,643 --> 01:17:25,879 their case against Seth. 2992 01:17:25,912 --> 01:17:28,214 Prosecutors finally 2993 01:17:25,912 --> 01:17:28,214 contacted him 2994 01:17:28,248 --> 01:17:30,550 just days before 2995 01:17:28,248 --> 01:17:30,550 the third trial started. 2996 01:17:30,583 --> 01:17:37,570 - So between May of 2012 2997 01:17:30,583 --> 01:17:37,570 and sometime in June of 2014, 2998 01:17:37,570 --> 01:17:38,958 no one talked to you. 2999 01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:41,895 You didn't talk to anyone 3000 01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:41,895 about this at all. 3001 01:17:41,928 --> 01:17:45,498 - No, sir. 3002 01:17:41,928 --> 01:17:45,498 - But prosecutors fought back. 3003 01:17:45,532 --> 01:17:48,501 Jason had an alibi witness, 3004 01:17:45,532 --> 01:17:48,501 his wife. 3005 01:17:48,535 --> 01:17:50,403 They called her 3006 01:17:48,535 --> 01:17:50,403 to the stand. 3007 01:17:50,437 --> 01:17:53,139 - Do you have any memory, 3008 01:17:50,437 --> 01:17:53,139 Ms. Tinnes, that went to-- 3009 01:17:53,173 --> 01:17:54,741 as to the whereabouts 3010 01:17:53,173 --> 01:17:54,741 of your husband 3011 01:17:54,774 --> 01:17:59,612 on May 26, 2012, 3012 01:17:54,774 --> 01:17:59,612 at approximately 5:00 a.m.? 3013 01:17:59,646 --> 01:18:03,183 - He was sleeping with me 3014 01:17:59,646 --> 01:18:03,183 at our house. 3015 01:18:03,216 --> 01:18:06,886 - And DNA testing on Jason 3016 01:18:03,216 --> 01:18:06,886 done right before trial 3017 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,857 also proved he was not 3018 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,857 the father of Lisa's baby, 3019 01:18:10,890 --> 01:18:12,359 but the defense 3020 01:18:10,890 --> 01:18:12,359 still believed 3021 01:18:12,392 --> 01:18:14,594 that raising the story 3022 01:18:12,392 --> 01:18:14,594 of Lisa's affair 3023 01:18:14,627 --> 01:18:16,629 and how police 3024 01:18:14,627 --> 01:18:16,629 never uncovered it 3025 01:18:16,663 --> 01:18:18,565 would give jurors 3026 01:18:16,663 --> 01:18:18,565 reasonable doubt 3027 01:18:18,598 --> 01:18:20,567 about the entire 3028 01:18:18,598 --> 01:18:20,567 investigation. 3029 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,203 'Cause this is the big part 3030 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,203 of your case in trial three. 3031 01:18:23,236 --> 01:18:27,307 Jurors, you're seeing some 3032 01:18:23,236 --> 01:18:27,307 really shabby policework here 3033 01:18:27,340 --> 01:18:29,342 in terms of 3034 01:18:27,340 --> 01:18:29,342 investigation. 3035 01:18:29,376 --> 01:18:32,450 - It fell right into our theme, 3036 01:18:29,376 --> 01:18:32,450 into our theory of the case. 3037 01:18:32,450 --> 01:18:34,481 - There'd already been 3038 01:18:32,450 --> 01:18:34,481 five holdout jurors 3039 01:18:34,514 --> 01:18:36,490 in the previous 3040 01:18:34,514 --> 01:18:36,490 two trials. 3041 01:18:36,490 --> 01:18:38,485 Now Todd Caldwell worried 3042 01:18:36,490 --> 01:18:38,485 that the new defense team 3043 01:18:38,518 --> 01:18:41,888 had produced a cloud of 3044 01:18:38,518 --> 01:18:41,888 even more reasonable doubt. 3045 01:18:41,921 --> 01:18:43,656 - You kinda think, okay, 3046 01:18:41,921 --> 01:18:43,656 if I was on this side, 3047 01:18:43,690 --> 01:18:45,392 that's kinda how 3048 01:18:43,690 --> 01:18:45,392 I would've handled it. 3049 01:18:45,425 --> 01:18:47,961 They're doing a pretty 3050 01:18:45,425 --> 01:18:47,961 good job, right? 3051 01:18:48,610 --> 01:18:50,530 And I'm convinced it's gonna be 3052 01:18:48,610 --> 01:18:50,530 another hung jury. 3053 01:18:50,563 --> 01:18:51,531 Why wouldn't it be? 3054 01:18:54,367 --> 01:18:56,302 - Todd and just about 3055 01:18:54,367 --> 01:18:56,302 everyone else 3056 01:18:56,336 --> 01:18:58,438 are in for a surprise. 3057 01:18:58,471 --> 01:19:00,173 - Has this jury 3058 01:18:58,471 --> 01:19:00,173 reached a verdict? 3059 01:19:00,206 --> 01:19:03,576 - When "Dateline: Secrets 3060 01:19:00,206 --> 01:19:03,576 Uncovered" continues. 3061 01:19:15,789 --> 01:19:18,224 - July 24, 2014, 3062 01:19:18,258 --> 01:19:21,127 after two 3063 01:19:18,258 --> 01:19:21,127 agonizing stalemates, 3064 01:19:21,161 --> 01:19:23,496 this time, 3065 01:19:21,161 --> 01:19:23,496 things were different. 3066 01:19:23,530 --> 01:19:27,167 As Seth Techel walked into 3067 01:19:23,530 --> 01:19:27,167 the courtroom and sat down, 3068 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,904 his face showed no expression, 3069 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,904 no hint of emotion. 3070 01:19:34,541 --> 01:19:36,242 He didn't glance 3071 01:19:34,541 --> 01:19:36,242 in any direction, 3072 01:19:36,276 --> 01:19:37,344 not at his family, 3073 01:19:37,377 --> 01:19:40,747 and certainly not at Todd, 3074 01:19:37,377 --> 01:19:40,747 his former father-in-law. 3075 01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:43,830 This is the young guy you 3076 01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:43,830 used to clap on the back 3077 01:19:43,116 --> 01:19:44,517 and say, "I love ya." 3078 01:19:43,116 --> 01:19:44,517 - Yep. 3079 01:19:44,551 --> 01:19:46,319 "Just take care of her. 3080 01:19:44,551 --> 01:19:46,319 That's all I ask." 3081 01:19:46,353 --> 01:19:49,550 - But Todd was staring 3082 01:19:46,353 --> 01:19:49,550 directly at Seth, 3083 01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:51,491 hoping to find 3084 01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:51,491 something, anything. 3085 01:19:51,524 --> 01:19:54,127 Now the moment 3086 01:19:51,524 --> 01:19:54,127 was at hand. 3087 01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:55,395 - Has this jury 3088 01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:55,395 reached a verdict? 3089 01:19:55,428 --> 01:19:56,830 - It has. 3090 01:19:56,863 --> 01:20:00,467 - The judge asked the court 3091 01:19:56,863 --> 01:20:00,467 attendant to read the verdict. 3092 01:20:00,500 --> 01:20:03,770 Lisa's mother could barely 3093 01:20:00,500 --> 01:20:03,770 contain her emotions. 3094 01:20:03,803 --> 01:20:06,206 Lisa's sister, 3095 01:20:03,803 --> 01:20:06,206 a bundle of nerves. 3096 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:08,608 - Count one, we, the jury, 3097 01:20:08,641 --> 01:20:11,444 find the defendant, 3098 01:20:08,641 --> 01:20:11,444 Seth Andrew Techel, 3099 01:20:11,478 --> 01:20:14,247 guilty of murder 3100 01:20:11,478 --> 01:20:14,247 in the first degree, 3101 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,550 and it's signed 3102 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,550 by the head juror. 3103 01:20:17,584 --> 01:20:22,689 Count two, nonconsensual 3104 01:20:17,584 --> 01:20:22,689 termination of human pregnancy, 3105 01:20:22,722 --> 01:20:24,324 guilty of 3106 01:20:22,722 --> 01:20:24,324 nonconsensual... 3107 01:20:24,357 --> 01:20:25,992 - The justice system 3108 01:20:24,357 --> 01:20:25,992 had finally spoken 3109 01:20:26,260 --> 01:20:28,395 for Lisa 3110 01:20:26,260 --> 01:20:28,395 and unborn Zoey. 3111 01:20:28,428 --> 01:20:31,765 - The counsel, uh, requests 3112 01:20:28,428 --> 01:20:31,765 the, um, jury to be polled. 3113 01:20:31,798 --> 01:20:32,766 - And then you 3114 01:20:31,798 --> 01:20:32,766 hear the words. 3115 01:20:32,799 --> 01:20:33,833 What do you see? 3116 01:20:33,867 --> 01:20:35,602 - Hear the words "guilty," 3117 01:20:33,867 --> 01:20:35,602 and I see nothing, 3118 01:20:35,635 --> 01:20:39,720 not one single emotion 3119 01:20:35,635 --> 01:20:39,720 from his face. 3120 01:20:39,105 --> 01:20:43,677 - The jurors had taken 3121 01:20:39,105 --> 01:20:43,677 four hours to convict. 3122 01:20:43,710 --> 01:20:46,479 On their way out, 3123 01:20:43,710 --> 01:20:46,479 several reached across 3124 01:20:46,513 --> 01:20:48,248 to shake Tracy's hand. 3125 01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,230 Presley still had 3126 01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,230 one big question. 3127 01:20:57,570 --> 01:20:58,758 - I would love 3128 01:20:57,570 --> 01:20:58,758 to ask him why. 3129 01:21:01,628 --> 01:21:04,531 There's Seth before 3130 01:21:01,628 --> 01:21:04,531 May 26th, 3131 01:21:04,564 --> 01:21:08,435 and then there's Seth 3132 01:21:04,564 --> 01:21:08,435 from May 26th on, 3133 01:21:08,468 --> 01:21:12,605 and it's almost like 3134 01:21:08,468 --> 01:21:12,605 I don't know who that is. 3135 01:21:12,639 --> 01:21:16,910 - Seth's parents tried 3136 01:21:12,639 --> 01:21:16,910 to fight back tears. 3137 01:21:16,943 --> 01:21:18,545 - It was heartbreaking. 3138 01:21:21,314 --> 01:21:24,384 - On the Caldwell side, 3139 01:21:21,314 --> 01:21:24,384 tears of joy 3140 01:21:24,417 --> 01:21:26,853 and displays 3141 01:21:24,417 --> 01:21:26,853 of overwhelming relief. 3142 01:21:26,886 --> 01:21:29,723 There were hugs 3143 01:21:26,886 --> 01:21:29,723 and more hugs. 3144 01:21:29,756 --> 01:21:31,925 More than two years 3145 01:21:29,756 --> 01:21:31,925 of pent-up emotions 3146 01:21:31,958 --> 01:21:33,927 finally coming out. 3147 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,996 The Caldwells then 3148 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,996 walked across the aisle. 3149 01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:40,266 The two moms embraced, 3150 01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:40,266 united in tragedy. 3151 01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:41,968 - We know this family. 3152 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,104 I know it's not Doug 3153 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,104 and Lorraine's fault. 3154 01:21:44,137 --> 01:21:47,374 It's not their family's fault 3155 01:21:44,137 --> 01:21:47,374 that any of this happened. 3156 01:21:47,407 --> 01:21:49,409 - Todd searched out Doug. 3157 01:21:49,442 --> 01:21:51,277 Only three years before, 3158 01:21:51,311 --> 01:21:55,115 they were all celebrating 3159 01:21:51,311 --> 01:21:55,115 their kids' wedding together. 3160 01:21:55,115 --> 01:21:58,180 Doug and Lorraine 3161 01:21:55,115 --> 01:21:58,180 still support their son 3162 01:21:58,118 --> 01:22:01,921 and say he didn't do what 3163 01:21:58,118 --> 01:22:01,921 he's now convicted of doing. 3164 01:22:01,955 --> 01:22:04,570 Do you have a whisper of 3165 01:22:01,955 --> 01:22:04,570 doubt, either of you? 3166 01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:06,326 - No. 3167 01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:06,326 - No, sir, none whatsoever. 3168 01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:08,962 I never have, 3169 01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:08,962 and I never will. 3170 01:22:09,620 --> 01:22:12,165 - Everybody is a loser. 3171 01:22:09,620 --> 01:22:12,165 Nobody wins. 3172 01:22:12,198 --> 01:22:13,500 But I will say this. 3173 01:22:13,533 --> 01:22:17,404 I think Lisa knows somewhere 3174 01:22:13,533 --> 01:22:17,404 that the system 3175 01:22:17,437 --> 01:22:19,806 that she wanted to be 3176 01:22:17,437 --> 01:22:19,806 a part of worked. 3177 01:22:19,839 --> 01:22:22,208 - The Caldwells and Techels 3178 01:22:19,839 --> 01:22:22,208 weren't the only ones 3179 01:22:22,242 --> 01:22:24,770 with a stake 3180 01:22:22,242 --> 01:22:24,770 in the verdict. 3181 01:22:24,110 --> 01:22:26,790 Brian Tate's sister, 3182 01:22:24,110 --> 01:22:26,790 Sherry, 3183 01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:28,214 had been waiting 3184 01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:28,214 for this moment, too. 3185 01:22:28,248 --> 01:22:32,285 - I started crying. 3186 01:22:28,248 --> 01:22:32,285 It wasn't tears of sorrow. 3187 01:22:32,318 --> 01:22:34,154 It was tears of joy. 3188 01:22:34,187 --> 01:22:36,956 They had finally 3189 01:22:34,187 --> 01:22:36,956 gotten this SOB. 3190 01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:38,892 I hope he rots 3191 01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:38,892 in prison. 3192 01:22:38,925 --> 01:22:40,960 - Todd still carries 3193 01:22:38,925 --> 01:22:40,960 the burden 3194 01:22:40,994 --> 01:22:42,862 of helping to pin 3195 01:22:40,994 --> 01:22:42,862 the blame on Tate 3196 01:22:42,896 --> 01:22:45,732 in those awful moments 3197 01:22:42,896 --> 01:22:45,732 after Lisa's murder. 3198 01:22:45,765 --> 01:22:50,170 - I can never tell the family 3199 01:22:45,765 --> 01:22:50,170 how sorry I am 3200 01:22:50,203 --> 01:22:52,772 that they had to go through 3201 01:22:50,203 --> 01:22:52,772 what they had to. 3202 01:22:52,806 --> 01:22:55,175 We're gonna have the last word 3203 01:22:52,806 --> 01:22:55,175 on Brian Tate. 3204 01:22:55,208 --> 01:22:59,379 This is an innocent guy that 3205 01:22:55,208 --> 01:22:59,379 was made a victim by Seth. 3206 01:22:59,412 --> 01:23:02,816 - All rise. 3207 01:23:02,849 --> 01:23:06,953 - A sentencing hearing was 3208 01:23:02,849 --> 01:23:06,953 held in September 2014. 3209 01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:09,456 The Caldwells were given a 3210 01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:09,456 chance to address the court 3211 01:23:09,489 --> 01:23:11,758 but talked directly to Seth. 3212 01:23:11,791 --> 01:23:15,950 - You know how close 3213 01:23:11,791 --> 01:23:15,950 Lisa and I was, 3214 01:23:15,128 --> 01:23:17,831 and you know what 3215 01:23:15,128 --> 01:23:17,831 you took from me. 3216 01:23:17,864 --> 01:23:22,535 Out of everybody in 3217 01:23:17,864 --> 01:23:22,535 this room, you know. 3218 01:23:22,569 --> 01:23:25,805 - Presley, 3219 01:23:22,569 --> 01:23:25,805 Lisa's sister, 3220 01:23:25,839 --> 01:23:28,174 walked up to 3221 01:23:25,839 --> 01:23:28,174 take her turn. 3222 01:23:28,208 --> 01:23:31,911 During all three trials, 3223 01:23:28,208 --> 01:23:31,911 she desperately tried 3224 01:23:31,945 --> 01:23:34,514 to make eye contact 3225 01:23:31,945 --> 01:23:34,514 with Seth. 3226 01:23:34,547 --> 01:23:37,684 - Seth was my best friend 3227 01:23:34,547 --> 01:23:37,684 and my brother 3228 01:23:37,717 --> 01:23:39,986 who I loved so much. 3229 01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:43,390 - Now, she finally 3230 01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:43,390 got what she wanted. 3231 01:23:43,423 --> 01:23:46,159 As she spoke, 3232 01:23:43,423 --> 01:23:46,159 she looked straight at him. 3233 01:23:46,192 --> 01:23:49,896 And for the first time, 3234 01:23:46,192 --> 01:23:49,896 Seth stared right back at her. 3235 01:23:49,929 --> 01:23:51,865 - I'm gonna leave you 3236 01:23:49,929 --> 01:23:51,865 with one final thought, 3237 01:23:51,898 --> 01:23:56,836 that I am no longer your sister, 3238 01:23:51,898 --> 01:23:56,836 and I no longer love you. 3239 01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:59,472 - And then the judge 3240 01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:59,472 handed down the sentence. 3241 01:23:59,506 --> 01:24:00,740 - Thank you, 3242 01:23:59,506 --> 01:24:00,740 Miss Caldwell. 3243 01:24:00,774 --> 01:24:04,144 - Life in prison with no 3244 01:24:00,774 --> 01:24:04,144 possibility of parole. 3245 01:24:08,348 --> 01:24:10,884 When it was 3246 01:24:08,348 --> 01:24:10,884 finally all over, 3247 01:24:10,917 --> 01:24:12,285 Todd went to 3248 01:24:10,917 --> 01:24:12,285 the cemetery 3249 01:24:12,318 --> 01:24:16,890 for a private moment 3250 01:24:12,318 --> 01:24:16,890 with his oldest daughter. 3251 01:24:16,923 --> 01:24:19,693 - I went out there, and I just 3252 01:24:16,923 --> 01:24:19,693 told her that we did it, 3253 01:24:19,726 --> 01:24:22,295 and she could be 3254 01:24:19,726 --> 01:24:22,295 proud of everybody. 3255 01:24:22,328 --> 01:24:25,765 - Todd has been back 3256 01:24:22,328 --> 01:24:25,765 many times since. 3257 01:24:25,799 --> 01:24:30,770 Lisa's grave is a special, 3258 01:24:25,799 --> 01:24:30,770 deeply personal place for him. 3259 01:24:30,804 --> 01:24:33,707 He designed 3260 01:24:30,804 --> 01:24:33,707 her headstone. 3261 01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:36,276 What are the figures 3262 01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:36,276 in it, Todd? 3263 01:24:36,309 --> 01:24:38,144 - The first thing I would 3264 01:24:36,309 --> 01:24:38,144 do when I started, like, 3265 01:24:38,178 --> 01:24:40,213 sketching it is, I would 3266 01:24:38,178 --> 01:24:40,213 just draw a heart out. 3267 01:24:40,246 --> 01:24:41,381 For some reason, 3268 01:24:40,246 --> 01:24:41,381 in my head, 3269 01:24:41,414 --> 01:24:43,850 it should be in the shape 3270 01:24:41,414 --> 01:24:43,850 of a heart. 3271 01:24:43,883 --> 01:24:45,485 Second thing I would 3272 01:24:43,883 --> 01:24:45,485 put in there, 3273 01:24:45,518 --> 01:24:46,820 is a mother 3274 01:24:45,518 --> 01:24:46,820 holding a baby. 3275 01:24:46,853 --> 01:24:49,823 And Lisa and I 3276 01:24:46,853 --> 01:24:49,823 had this thing 3277 01:24:49,856 --> 01:24:51,910 that we would say 3278 01:24:49,856 --> 01:24:51,910 to each other. 3279 01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:52,692 We'd text it to each other 3280 01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:52,692 and everything, 3281 01:24:52,726 --> 01:24:54,260 and it's from 3282 01:24:52,726 --> 01:24:54,260 "The Notebook" movie, 3283 01:24:54,294 --> 01:24:56,396 and it's we've always said, 3284 01:24:54,294 --> 01:24:56,396 "If you're a bird, I'm a bird." 3285 01:24:56,429 --> 01:25:00,400 You know, meaning 3286 01:24:56,429 --> 01:25:00,400 whatever-- 3287 01:25:00,433 --> 01:25:02,350 [exhales] 3288 01:25:02,350 --> 01:25:05,338 Whatever you are, I am. 3289 01:25:05,372 --> 01:25:09,542 So in the hair of this, 3290 01:25:05,372 --> 01:25:09,542 I made two birds in there. 3291 01:25:09,576 --> 01:25:11,277 By the time I got it 3292 01:25:09,576 --> 01:25:11,277 done with, you know, 3293 01:25:11,311 --> 01:25:14,447 we all loved it, and it's 3294 01:25:11,311 --> 01:25:14,447 kinda just kinda bonded. 3295 01:25:14,481 --> 01:25:17,150 Like, you know, hey, 3296 01:25:14,481 --> 01:25:17,150 this is part of Lisa now. 3297 01:25:17,183 --> 01:25:23,890 ** 3298 01:25:23,123 --> 01:25:26,292 - That's all for this edition of 3299 01:25:23,123 --> 01:25:26,292 "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 3300 01:25:26,326 --> 01:25:27,193 I'm Kate Snow. 3301 01:25:26,326 --> 01:25:27,193 Thank you for watching.