1 00:00:07,374 --> 00:00:07,741 - I'm Kate Snow, 2 00:00:08,608 --> 00:00:11,945 and this is 3 00:00:08,608 --> 00:00:11,945 "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 4 00:00:11,945 --> 00:00:13,813 - We were definitely 5 00:00:11,945 --> 00:00:13,813 really close. 6 00:00:13,813 --> 00:00:16,750 ** 7 00:00:16,750 --> 00:00:18,551 People kept askin' 8 00:00:16,750 --> 00:00:18,551 where my mom was, 9 00:00:18,551 --> 00:00:21,454 and I couldn't 10 00:00:18,551 --> 00:00:21,454 give an answer. 11 00:00:21,454 --> 00:00:24,240 Just seemed wrong. 12 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:26,593 That was real, kinda... 13 00:00:26,593 --> 00:00:28,561 stake in the heart. 14 00:00:28,561 --> 00:00:30,597 - It was one of 15 00:00:28,561 --> 00:00:30,597 the most baffling cases 16 00:00:30,597 --> 00:00:32,866 investigators 17 00:00:30,597 --> 00:00:32,866 had ever seen. 18 00:00:32,866 --> 00:00:35,468 - This tops the charts 19 00:00:32,866 --> 00:00:35,468 for most bizarre. 20 00:00:35,468 --> 00:00:37,937 - No one can believe that 21 00:00:35,468 --> 00:00:37,937 this actually happened. 22 00:00:37,937 --> 00:00:40,640 - A single mom and 23 00:00:37,937 --> 00:00:40,640 whip-smart computer whiz 24 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,900 who seemed to disappear. 25 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:44,711 - I started getting 26 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:44,711 text messages 27 00:00:44,711 --> 00:00:46,546 saying that 28 00:00:44,711 --> 00:00:46,546 she had quit her job. 29 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:48,481 - She had somethin' 30 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:48,481 down in Kansas. 31 00:00:48,481 --> 00:00:51,685 - Left behind-- 32 00:00:48,481 --> 00:00:51,685 a puzzling computer trail. 33 00:00:51,685 --> 00:00:53,319 - Emails and text messages. 34 00:00:53,319 --> 00:00:56,690 So active on social media, 35 00:00:53,319 --> 00:00:56,690 but nobody can locate her. 36 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:57,824 - She didn't 37 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:57,824 wanna be found. 38 00:00:57,824 --> 00:00:58,992 - Exactly. 39 00:00:58,992 --> 00:01:00,894 - A mom-turned-ghost. 40 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:03,296 Was she missing or hiding? 41 00:01:03,296 --> 00:01:04,596 - I wanted to know. 42 00:01:04,596 --> 00:01:07,167 - Taunts. Threats. Violence. 43 00:01:11,771 --> 00:01:14,874 A deadly mystery that 44 00:01:11,771 --> 00:01:14,874 would link three moms 45 00:01:14,874 --> 00:01:16,443 and one man. 46 00:01:16,443 --> 00:01:17,844 - You were the last one 47 00:01:16,443 --> 00:01:17,844 to see her. 48 00:01:17,844 --> 00:01:20,413 - It was as if 49 00:01:17,844 --> 00:01:20,413 I'd already done somethin' 50 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:22,115 and he already knew it. 51 00:01:22,115 --> 00:01:24,551 He was drillin' with 52 00:01:22,115 --> 00:01:24,551 them policeman eyes. 53 00:01:24,551 --> 00:01:26,619 - This was almost an obsession 54 00:01:24,551 --> 00:01:26,619 to get this solved. 55 00:01:26,619 --> 00:01:29,989 - A heart-stopping case of 56 00:01:26,619 --> 00:01:29,989 jealousy, secret identity, 57 00:01:29,989 --> 00:01:31,910 and murder. 58 00:01:31,910 --> 00:01:32,592 - It's like 59 00:01:31,910 --> 00:01:32,592 you're on edge. 60 00:01:32,592 --> 00:01:33,960 What's gonna happen next? 61 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:41,968 ** 62 00:01:41,968 --> 00:01:45,170 - Hello and welcome to 63 00:01:41,968 --> 00:01:45,170 "Dateline: Secrets Uncovered." 64 00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:48,942 Working in the tech industry 65 00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:48,942 came easy for Cari Farver. 66 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:51,244 Life sometimes did not. 67 00:01:51,244 --> 00:01:54,747 The single mom was coping with 68 00:01:51,244 --> 00:01:54,747 a debilitating mental illness. 69 00:01:54,747 --> 00:01:57,616 Then came the morning 70 00:01:54,747 --> 00:01:57,616 she simply vanished. 71 00:01:57,616 --> 00:02:00,754 To investigators, 72 00:01:57,616 --> 00:02:00,754 it looked like Cari herself 73 00:02:00,754 --> 00:02:03,390 left a tantalizing 74 00:02:00,754 --> 00:02:03,390 trail of clues. 75 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:06,559 Following it led them to 76 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:06,559 a digital trove of secrets 77 00:02:06,559 --> 00:02:09,294 and the key to 78 00:02:06,559 --> 00:02:09,294 unlocking the truth. 79 00:02:09,294 --> 00:02:12,399 Here's Keith Morrison 80 00:02:09,294 --> 00:02:12,399 with "Scorned." 81 00:02:12,399 --> 00:02:16,690 ** 82 00:02:16,690 --> 00:02:18,505 - It was dark when 83 00:02:16,690 --> 00:02:18,505 they started searching. 84 00:02:18,505 --> 00:02:20,306 Dark and cold. 85 00:02:20,306 --> 00:02:22,942 The 5th of December, 2015. 86 00:02:22,942 --> 00:02:27,447 Just across the night-black 87 00:02:22,942 --> 00:02:27,447 Missouri from Omaha. 88 00:02:27,447 --> 00:02:29,649 Back and forth 89 00:02:27,447 --> 00:02:29,649 went the chopper 90 00:02:29,649 --> 00:02:31,685 as squad cars 91 00:02:29,649 --> 00:02:31,685 prowled the park. 92 00:02:31,685 --> 00:02:33,787 Big Lake Park, Iowa. 93 00:02:33,787 --> 00:02:35,422 Looking for a shooter. 94 00:02:35,422 --> 00:02:37,424 [phone ringing] 95 00:02:42,429 --> 00:02:45,498 Looking for whoever shot her. 96 00:02:45,498 --> 00:02:48,101 The woman who'd come out here 97 00:02:45,498 --> 00:02:48,101 alone to clear her mind, 98 00:02:48,101 --> 00:02:51,938 get that nemesis out 99 00:02:48,101 --> 00:02:51,938 of her head, and instead, 100 00:02:51,938 --> 00:02:55,141 was bleeding through a hole 101 00:02:51,938 --> 00:02:55,141 shot clean through her thigh. 102 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,854 Oh, she knew 103 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,854 who did it, she said, 104 00:03:07,854 --> 00:03:10,560 as they patched up 105 00:03:07,854 --> 00:03:10,560 her wounded leg. 106 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,694 She knew all too well how deadly 107 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,694 that crazy woman could be. 108 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:27,730 She? Who was she? 109 00:03:27,730 --> 00:03:30,210 That furious 110 00:03:27,730 --> 00:03:30,210 woman scorned. 111 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:32,545 And what horrors 112 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:32,545 was she capable of 113 00:03:32,545 --> 00:03:35,810 to eliminate 114 00:03:32,545 --> 00:03:35,810 her rivals to win, 115 00:03:35,810 --> 00:03:39,352 or punish the one man 116 00:03:35,810 --> 00:03:39,352 she so desperately wanted? 117 00:03:39,352 --> 00:03:42,655 The man who 118 00:03:39,352 --> 00:03:42,655 didn't want her. 119 00:03:42,655 --> 00:03:45,759 ** 120 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:48,928 It began, as these 121 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:48,928 things often do, 122 00:03:48,928 --> 00:03:52,866 on an innocent and ordinary day 123 00:03:48,928 --> 00:03:52,866 in Omaha, Nebraska, 124 00:03:52,866 --> 00:03:54,234 three years earlier. 125 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:56,703 The fall of 2012. 126 00:03:56,703 --> 00:03:58,138 - I'm workin'. 127 00:03:56,703 --> 00:03:58,138 I'm behind the counter. 128 00:03:58,138 --> 00:03:59,706 I'm doin' 10 things. 129 00:03:59,706 --> 00:04:02,175 - It happened in 130 00:03:59,706 --> 00:04:02,175 an auto repair shop 131 00:04:02,175 --> 00:04:05,145 to a mechanic 132 00:04:02,175 --> 00:04:05,145 named Dave Kroupa. 133 00:04:05,145 --> 00:04:07,547 - She walks in, 134 00:04:05,145 --> 00:04:07,547 I see her, we meet eyes, 135 00:04:07,547 --> 00:04:10,216 and just for a moment 136 00:04:07,547 --> 00:04:10,216 I kinda stop and I go, 137 00:04:10,216 --> 00:04:11,718 "Well, hello." 138 00:04:11,718 --> 00:04:13,530 - He was working. 139 00:04:13,530 --> 00:04:15,221 She wanted her 140 00:04:13,530 --> 00:04:15,221 SUV repaired. 141 00:04:15,221 --> 00:04:16,790 - And, you know, in the back 142 00:04:15,221 --> 00:04:16,790 of my mind I'm thinkin' 143 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:18,658 "Wow, she's gorgeous." 144 00:04:18,658 --> 00:04:20,527 But I'm at work. 145 00:04:20,527 --> 00:04:22,762 I'm representin' 146 00:04:20,527 --> 00:04:22,762 the company I work for. 147 00:04:22,762 --> 00:04:24,698 That's off the table. 148 00:04:22,762 --> 00:04:24,698 It's not a possibility. 149 00:04:24,698 --> 00:04:26,800 - But did you detect 150 00:04:24,698 --> 00:04:26,800 a little sort of signal 151 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,680 comin' back your way? 152 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:29,602 - I thought I did. 153 00:04:29,602 --> 00:04:32,339 - And then, a few weeks later, 154 00:04:29,602 --> 00:04:32,339 it seemed like fate. 155 00:04:32,339 --> 00:04:36,760 Dave went on a dating website 156 00:04:32,339 --> 00:04:36,760 and there she was. 157 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,780 Her profile. 158 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,780 Her picture. 159 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:40,180 Her name, Cari. 160 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:41,981 He started typing. 161 00:04:41,981 --> 00:04:44,584 - I just said, 162 00:04:41,981 --> 00:04:44,584 "Hey, I know you. Haha." 163 00:04:44,584 --> 00:04:46,886 And she replied. 164 00:04:44,584 --> 00:04:46,886 Same thing. 165 00:04:46,886 --> 00:04:48,321 - And then, before long, 166 00:04:48,321 --> 00:04:50,990 Cari came into 167 00:04:48,321 --> 00:04:50,990 his shop again. 168 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:53,193 - Without sayin' it, there was 169 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:53,193 kinda some sparks flyin'. 170 00:04:53,193 --> 00:04:55,950 We're both lookin' at each 171 00:04:53,193 --> 00:04:55,950 other like we're both tryin'-- 172 00:04:55,950 --> 00:04:58,980 wantin' to say 173 00:04:55,950 --> 00:04:58,980 somethin' and, uh-- 174 00:04:58,980 --> 00:04:59,232 and we did. 175 00:04:59,232 --> 00:05:01,101 And we exchanged 176 00:04:59,232 --> 00:05:01,101 phone numbers. 177 00:05:01,101 --> 00:05:05,380 - They had dinner. 178 00:05:01,101 --> 00:05:05,380 The food didn't matter. 179 00:05:05,380 --> 00:05:08,208 - And we were very I would say 180 00:05:05,380 --> 00:05:08,208 enthralled with each other. 181 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:11,440 - He invited Cari 182 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:11,440 back to his place, 183 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,790 and she agreed. 184 00:05:13,790 --> 00:05:16,116 And that's when 185 00:05:13,790 --> 00:05:16,116 something else happened. 186 00:05:16,116 --> 00:05:18,718 Didn't seem 187 00:05:16,116 --> 00:05:18,718 so important. Not then. 188 00:05:18,718 --> 00:05:20,820 Not like it would later. 189 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:22,789 Just as they walked 190 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:22,789 into the apartment, 191 00:05:22,789 --> 00:05:24,758 the doorbell rang. 192 00:05:24,758 --> 00:05:27,160 It was Dave's 193 00:05:24,758 --> 00:05:27,160 ex-girlfriend Liz, 194 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,928 here to pick up some things 195 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,928 she'd left behind 196 00:05:28,928 --> 00:05:30,630 in his apartment. 197 00:05:30,630 --> 00:05:32,298 Awkward. 198 00:05:32,298 --> 00:05:34,134 But Cari just laughed. 199 00:05:34,134 --> 00:05:35,635 Bowed out. 200 00:05:35,635 --> 00:05:37,570 - She said, 201 00:05:35,635 --> 00:05:37,570 "Ah. I get it. 202 00:05:37,570 --> 00:05:39,973 "It's not a big deal. 203 00:05:37,570 --> 00:05:39,973 I-I'm gonna go home. 204 00:05:39,973 --> 00:05:42,175 "You call me when you're 205 00:05:39,973 --> 00:05:42,175 done dealin' with this mess." 206 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:44,477 - So, Dave escorted 207 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:44,477 Cari to the door. 208 00:05:44,477 --> 00:05:47,213 - And her and Liz passed 209 00:05:44,477 --> 00:05:47,213 each other at that moment. 210 00:05:47,213 --> 00:05:48,114 - Yeah? 211 00:05:48,114 --> 00:05:50,830 - Uh, there were 212 00:05:48,114 --> 00:05:50,830 no words spoken. 213 00:05:50,830 --> 00:05:53,486 - Did it start then 214 00:05:50,830 --> 00:05:53,486 at that moment? 215 00:05:53,486 --> 00:05:55,689 Later, once Liz left 216 00:05:53,486 --> 00:05:55,689 his apartment, 217 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:57,857 Dave called Cari. 218 00:05:57,857 --> 00:06:00,493 - And, um, she invited me 219 00:05:57,857 --> 00:06:00,493 out to her place, 220 00:06:00,493 --> 00:06:04,197 which was like an hour drive 221 00:06:00,493 --> 00:06:04,197 outside of town. 222 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:06,866 Cari, when I got 223 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:06,866 to her place, 224 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:11,471 we're there 20 minutes 225 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:11,471 making coffee, BSin'. 226 00:06:11,471 --> 00:06:13,239 And of course, pretty soon 227 00:06:11,471 --> 00:06:13,239 we're on the couch 228 00:06:13,239 --> 00:06:14,841 and-and we're gettin' 229 00:06:13,239 --> 00:06:14,841 a little closer. 230 00:06:14,841 --> 00:06:16,676 Now at this point, 231 00:06:14,841 --> 00:06:16,676 we haven't even kissed. 232 00:06:16,676 --> 00:06:20,460 And, uh, she turns 233 00:06:16,676 --> 00:06:20,460 to me and she said, 234 00:06:20,460 --> 00:06:24,217 "Look. If we're gonna have 235 00:06:20,460 --> 00:06:24,217 sex, that's all it is. 236 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:25,452 "Period. 237 00:06:25,452 --> 00:06:27,120 "There's nothin' 238 00:06:25,452 --> 00:06:27,120 more to it." 239 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,455 - Huh. 240 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,455 - And asked me, 241 00:06:28,455 --> 00:06:30,790 "Are you good with that? 242 00:06:28,455 --> 00:06:30,790 Is that gonna be a problem?" 243 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:33,590 And of course, my eyes lit up 244 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:33,590 and I'm like, ping, 245 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:34,828 I hit the Powerball. 246 00:06:34,828 --> 00:06:38,640 - Because Dave felt 247 00:06:34,828 --> 00:06:38,640 exactly the same way. 248 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,599 - As a man, 249 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,599 I want companionship, 250 00:06:39,599 --> 00:06:41,835 so I'm always lookin' 251 00:06:39,599 --> 00:06:41,835 for a girlfriend. 252 00:06:41,835 --> 00:06:44,738 Uh, but never 253 00:06:41,835 --> 00:06:44,738 a committed relationship. 254 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,906 - And you let them know that 255 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,906 this is the way it's gotta be. 256 00:06:46,906 --> 00:06:48,775 - That was 257 00:06:46,906 --> 00:06:48,775 the first conversation. 258 00:06:48,775 --> 00:06:50,944 Yeah. Take it or leave it. 259 00:06:48,775 --> 00:06:50,944 That's how it is. 260 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:52,379 - But with Cari? 261 00:06:52,379 --> 00:06:54,447 He didn't have 262 00:06:52,379 --> 00:06:54,447 to bring it up. 263 00:06:54,447 --> 00:06:56,449 - It was all her and-- 264 00:06:54,447 --> 00:06:56,449 - Yeah. 265 00:06:56,449 --> 00:06:58,385 - And we hit it off 266 00:06:56,449 --> 00:06:58,385 right from there. 267 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:01,554 - Cari told him she was 268 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:01,554 a computer programmer. 269 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:04,424 Her office was close 270 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:04,424 to his apartment. 271 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:06,426 They met there often. 272 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:08,862 Made love. Talked. 273 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:10,764 - She was extremely 274 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:10,764 intelligent. 275 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:13,199 She was much 276 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:13,199 smarter than I am. 277 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,669 For instance, what she did 278 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,669 for a living, uh, programming. 279 00:07:15,669 --> 00:07:17,937 I consider myself a little bit 280 00:07:15,669 --> 00:07:17,937 of a computer nerd, 281 00:07:17,937 --> 00:07:21,410 but compared to her, I didn't 282 00:07:17,937 --> 00:07:21,410 even know what a computer was. 283 00:07:21,410 --> 00:07:24,744 - Dave reconsidered 284 00:07:21,410 --> 00:07:24,744 his no commitment rule. 285 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:29,482 A rule he'd broken before 286 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:29,482 with a woman named Amy Flora. 287 00:07:29,482 --> 00:07:33,720 They had two kids together, 288 00:07:29,482 --> 00:07:33,720 but it didn't last. 289 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,889 - After 12 years, 290 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,889 you would think 291 00:07:35,889 --> 00:07:38,658 there would be some kind 292 00:07:35,889 --> 00:07:38,658 of a proposal or something, 293 00:07:38,658 --> 00:07:40,427 but like I said, 294 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:43,630 he's kind of 295 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:43,630 emotionless, so-- 296 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:44,731 - He really didn't 297 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:44,731 wanna get married. 298 00:07:44,731 --> 00:07:46,132 - No. 299 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:48,568 And I wanted to eventually 300 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:48,568 be married, you know? 301 00:07:48,568 --> 00:07:49,903 - Well, I mean-- 302 00:07:48,568 --> 00:07:49,903 - I mean, every girl does. 303 00:07:49,903 --> 00:07:52,472 Everybody wants their 304 00:07:49,903 --> 00:07:52,472 fairytale wedding. 305 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:56,209 - Amy and Dave stayed friendly 306 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:56,209 for the sake of their kids. 307 00:07:56,209 --> 00:07:58,745 And Amy knew about 308 00:07:56,209 --> 00:07:58,745 Dave's other women. 309 00:07:58,745 --> 00:08:00,714 Heard about Cari. 310 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:02,816 - Expected you would meet her 311 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:02,816 at some point if-- 312 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,180 if it continued? 313 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,180 - Well, if it continued, 314 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:06,820 yeah, I would've liked 315 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:06,820 to have met her. 316 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:09,890 - But Amy didn't 317 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:09,890 meet Cari. 318 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:10,623 Not then. 319 00:08:10,623 --> 00:08:13,660 No idea what was coming. 320 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:16,129 Early that 321 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:16,129 November of 2012, 322 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:19,466 Cari told Dave she had 323 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:19,466 a big project at work. 324 00:08:19,466 --> 00:08:22,769 She'd stay over at his place 325 00:08:19,466 --> 00:08:22,769 instead of driving home 326 00:08:22,769 --> 00:08:25,238 to the country 327 00:08:22,769 --> 00:08:25,238 every night. 328 00:08:25,238 --> 00:08:27,941 Until they began their 329 00:08:25,238 --> 00:08:27,941 workweek together. 330 00:08:27,941 --> 00:08:31,440 And then, on Tuesday, 331 00:08:27,941 --> 00:08:31,440 November 13th. 332 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,679 - I gave her a kiss on 333 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,679 the way out the door. 334 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:33,947 You know? 335 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:33,947 Like, "Hi. 336 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:35,448 "See ya later, honey." 337 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:35,448 That kind of thing. 338 00:08:35,448 --> 00:08:37,884 You know, it was almost 339 00:08:35,448 --> 00:08:37,884 like a-- that sort of 340 00:08:37,884 --> 00:08:39,452 '50s TV show garbage. 341 00:08:39,452 --> 00:08:42,355 - That doesn't sound like a guy 342 00:08:39,452 --> 00:08:42,355 that's got no attachments. 343 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:43,456 - Well, I didn't 344 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:43,456 say "honey," 345 00:08:43,456 --> 00:08:45,580 but that's the way 346 00:08:43,456 --> 00:08:45,580 it came across, you know? 347 00:08:45,580 --> 00:08:46,326 - Yeah, okay. 348 00:08:45,580 --> 00:08:46,326 All right. 349 00:08:46,326 --> 00:08:47,494 - But she brought 350 00:08:46,326 --> 00:08:47,494 that outta me. 351 00:08:47,494 --> 00:08:49,562 That's why I say, 352 00:08:47,494 --> 00:08:49,562 with Cari, it was potential. 353 00:08:49,562 --> 00:08:51,970 That long term. 354 00:08:49,562 --> 00:08:51,970 It might've been different. 355 00:08:51,970 --> 00:08:52,465 - So, when you went off 356 00:08:51,970 --> 00:08:52,465 to work that day, 357 00:08:52,465 --> 00:08:53,466 you were in 358 00:08:52,465 --> 00:08:53,466 a pretty good mood. 359 00:08:53,466 --> 00:08:55,101 - Oh, yeah, yeah, 360 00:08:53,466 --> 00:08:55,101 I was in a great mood. 361 00:08:55,101 --> 00:08:56,836 I have this beautiful lady 362 00:08:55,101 --> 00:08:56,836 who's gonna be in my house 363 00:08:56,836 --> 00:08:58,571 when I got home. 364 00:08:58,571 --> 00:09:02,142 I don't know who wouldn't 365 00:08:58,571 --> 00:09:02,142 smile about that. 366 00:09:02,142 --> 00:09:04,811 - Dave was at 367 00:09:02,142 --> 00:09:04,811 his shop by 6:30. 368 00:09:04,811 --> 00:09:07,647 Entirely unprepared. 369 00:09:07,647 --> 00:09:09,490 And then. 370 00:09:09,490 --> 00:09:11,885 - By 10 o'clock I receive 371 00:09:09,490 --> 00:09:11,885 a text from her that says, 372 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:13,853 "Do you wanna 373 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:13,853 move in with me?" 374 00:09:13,853 --> 00:09:15,655 or "Should-- We need 375 00:09:13,853 --> 00:09:15,655 to move in together" 376 00:09:15,655 --> 00:09:17,691 or something along those lines. 377 00:09:15,655 --> 00:09:17,691 - Really? 378 00:09:17,691 --> 00:09:19,592 - But I immediately 379 00:09:17,691 --> 00:09:19,592 I texted her back 380 00:09:19,592 --> 00:09:23,290 "No, I'm not int-- 381 00:09:19,592 --> 00:09:23,290 We've known each other 2 weeks. 382 00:09:23,290 --> 00:09:25,532 "It's not gonna happen." 383 00:09:23,290 --> 00:09:25,532 As soon as I text her back, 384 00:09:25,532 --> 00:09:28,301 I get a text back 385 00:09:25,532 --> 00:09:28,301 that says, "Fine. 386 00:09:28,301 --> 00:09:31,705 "I don't ever wanna see 387 00:09:28,301 --> 00:09:31,705 you again, uh, go away. 388 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:33,239 "I'm dating 389 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:33,239 somebody else. 390 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:36,276 "I hate you." On and on 391 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:36,276 and on and on and on. 392 00:09:36,276 --> 00:09:38,780 - Weird. 393 00:09:36,276 --> 00:09:38,780 - Very weird. 394 00:09:38,780 --> 00:09:41,715 Very what is 395 00:09:38,780 --> 00:09:41,715 goin' on here? 396 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:43,717 Uh, but I was at work. 397 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:43,717 It was very busy. 398 00:09:43,717 --> 00:09:46,353 I didn't have time 399 00:09:43,717 --> 00:09:46,353 for that nonsense. 400 00:09:46,353 --> 00:09:48,822 Uh, so, in the back of my mind, 401 00:09:46,353 --> 00:09:48,822 I'm thinkin', "Whew, 402 00:09:48,822 --> 00:09:52,192 "I dodged a bullet there." 403 00:09:48,822 --> 00:09:52,192 - Oh, but he didn't. 404 00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:55,662 No. Now, it was 405 00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:55,662 just beginning. 406 00:09:58,565 --> 00:10:00,000 - Coming up. 407 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,736 Who was this mysterious 408 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,736 lady named Cari? 409 00:10:02,736 --> 00:10:04,404 - So, this is the woman 410 00:10:02,736 --> 00:10:04,404 from hell now. 411 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:05,905 - All of a sudden. 412 00:10:05,905 --> 00:10:10,243 - She was about to vanish 413 00:10:05,905 --> 00:10:10,243 in a very mysterious way. 414 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:21,621 ** 415 00:10:22,756 --> 00:10:26,393 - Dave Kroupa, the man who 416 00:10:22,756 --> 00:10:26,393 liked his sex life uncommitted, 417 00:10:26,393 --> 00:10:27,927 was confused. 418 00:10:27,927 --> 00:10:30,363 The woman who'd seemed to 419 00:10:27,927 --> 00:10:30,363 share his philosophy 420 00:10:30,363 --> 00:10:31,731 had turned on him. 421 00:10:31,731 --> 00:10:35,168 Was behaving like a woman 422 00:10:31,731 --> 00:10:35,168 who expected something from him. 423 00:10:35,168 --> 00:10:37,700 Like a woman scorned. 424 00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:39,372 Suddenly, she 425 00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:39,372 wanted to move in. 426 00:10:39,372 --> 00:10:42,750 And when he refused, 427 00:10:39,372 --> 00:10:42,750 she responded with 428 00:10:42,750 --> 00:10:46,279 a nonstop staccato of angry, 429 00:10:42,750 --> 00:10:46,279 often misspelled texts. 430 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:47,514 Cari. 431 00:10:47,514 --> 00:10:51,551 Now, that name sounded like 432 00:10:47,514 --> 00:10:51,551 his personal horror show. 433 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:54,688 So, this is the woman 434 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:54,688 from hell now. 435 00:10:54,688 --> 00:10:56,356 - All of a sudden, yeah. 436 00:10:54,688 --> 00:10:56,356 - Yeah. 437 00:10:56,356 --> 00:10:58,258 - Or in the course 438 00:10:56,356 --> 00:10:58,258 of a couple of hours. 439 00:10:58,258 --> 00:10:59,459 - Wow. 440 00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:02,762 Maybe to Dave in Omaha 441 00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:02,762 that's how it seemed, 442 00:11:02,762 --> 00:11:04,970 but an hour's 443 00:11:02,762 --> 00:11:04,970 drive away, 444 00:11:04,970 --> 00:11:07,670 there was quite 445 00:11:04,970 --> 00:11:07,670 a different story. 446 00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:10,303 Here in this tiny sweet 447 00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:10,303 farming town called 448 00:11:10,303 --> 00:11:12,172 Macedonia, Iowa. 449 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:14,407 - I think there's only 450 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:14,407 around 250 people 451 00:11:14,407 --> 00:11:15,975 that live there now. 452 00:11:15,975 --> 00:11:19,212 It's very-- 453 00:11:15,975 --> 00:11:19,212 It-It's just home. 454 00:11:19,212 --> 00:11:21,681 - Home to Cari. 455 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,516 Cari Farver. 456 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:26,152 And where she was raised 457 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:26,152 by her step-father Mark 458 00:11:26,152 --> 00:11:29,322 and her mother Nancy, 459 00:11:26,152 --> 00:11:29,322 who would stick with Cari 460 00:11:29,322 --> 00:11:31,191 through it all. 461 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:32,926 But of course, 462 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:32,926 they'd always known 463 00:11:32,926 --> 00:11:35,462 there was something 464 00:11:32,926 --> 00:11:35,462 different about Cari. 465 00:11:35,462 --> 00:11:37,997 - She felt like she wanted 466 00:11:35,462 --> 00:11:37,997 to do her own thing, 467 00:11:37,997 --> 00:11:40,734 and sometimes that-- 468 00:11:37,997 --> 00:11:40,734 - That doesn't always go well. 469 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:42,602 - Always go well. Yeah. 470 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:42,602 - Yeah. 471 00:11:42,602 --> 00:11:44,437 Thing is, Cari was smart. 472 00:11:44,437 --> 00:11:47,640 Super smart. 473 00:11:44,437 --> 00:11:47,640 School was easy. 474 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,642 But then, so were boys. 475 00:11:49,642 --> 00:11:52,245 - Guys were just 476 00:11:49,642 --> 00:11:52,245 drawn to her. 477 00:11:52,245 --> 00:11:54,647 - And she liked it. 478 00:11:52,245 --> 00:11:54,647 - Yes, she did. 479 00:11:54,647 --> 00:11:56,483 - Cari! 480 00:11:56,483 --> 00:11:57,984 [laughter] 481 00:11:56,483 --> 00:11:57,984 - But there was something else 482 00:11:57,984 --> 00:12:01,540 about Cari, said her friend, 483 00:11:57,984 --> 00:12:01,540 Holly Drummond. 484 00:12:01,540 --> 00:12:02,722 Brainy, yes, but... 485 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,325 she sometimes made 486 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,325 dubious choices. 487 00:12:05,325 --> 00:12:08,661 Like when she was away at 488 00:12:05,325 --> 00:12:08,661 college and there was this guy. 489 00:12:08,661 --> 00:12:10,930 One of a parade of guys. 490 00:12:10,930 --> 00:12:13,199 - She would constantly 491 00:12:10,930 --> 00:12:13,199 talk about this night 492 00:12:13,199 --> 00:12:15,602 where they were all dressed up 493 00:12:13,199 --> 00:12:15,602 and it was midnight 494 00:12:15,602 --> 00:12:16,770 and they were 495 00:12:15,602 --> 00:12:16,770 walking in the streets 496 00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:18,138 with a bottle 497 00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:18,138 of champagne. 498 00:12:18,138 --> 00:12:20,440 I mean, she made it 499 00:12:18,138 --> 00:12:20,440 sound like-- 500 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,244 She made it sound 501 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,244 like a romantic movie. 502 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,412 - Didn't last. 503 00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:28,481 Even when Cari found 504 00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:28,481 out she was pregnant. 505 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:30,830 - Did it come 506 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:30,830 as a surprise? 507 00:12:30,830 --> 00:12:31,851 - Yes. Yeah. 508 00:12:31,851 --> 00:12:32,952 I was just-- 509 00:12:32,952 --> 00:12:34,654 I knew what she was gonna 510 00:12:32,952 --> 00:12:34,654 have to go through, 511 00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:37,624 because I had been divorced 512 00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:37,624 with-with children. 513 00:12:37,624 --> 00:12:39,920 Young children. 514 00:12:37,624 --> 00:12:39,920 - Yeah. 515 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:40,660 - And it's hard. 516 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:40,660 - Not easy. 517 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:43,797 She moved home, 518 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:43,797 took computer courses, 519 00:12:43,797 --> 00:12:46,533 and she named 520 00:12:43,797 --> 00:12:46,533 the baby Maxwell. 521 00:12:46,533 --> 00:12:48,668 Everyone called him Max. 522 00:12:48,668 --> 00:12:50,904 - She was such 523 00:12:48,668 --> 00:12:50,904 a good mother. 524 00:12:50,904 --> 00:12:53,773 But I know she had so much 525 00:12:50,904 --> 00:12:53,773 on her plate, too, at that time. 526 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:54,841 - It's a lot to do. 527 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:54,841 - When she was goin' to school 528 00:12:54,841 --> 00:12:56,509 and everything else. 529 00:12:56,509 --> 00:12:59,212 But she did very well. 530 00:12:56,509 --> 00:12:59,212 She held up very well. 531 00:13:00,547 --> 00:13:03,783 - Except, that is, 532 00:13:00,547 --> 00:13:03,783 for the mood swings. 533 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:06,386 The dreadful depressions. 534 00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:09,122 - She just would go under 535 00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:09,122 the covers and sleep 536 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:11,157 and she'd just-- you know, 537 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:11,157 she'd hibernate. 538 00:13:11,157 --> 00:13:13,760 She'd-She'd close herself 539 00:13:11,157 --> 00:13:13,760 off from everything. 540 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:14,694 - It's hard for a mother 541 00:13:14,694 --> 00:13:15,795 to watch her daughter 542 00:13:14,694 --> 00:13:15,795 go through that. 543 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:17,430 - Yeah. It is. 544 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:20,734 Trying to get it out 545 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:20,734 of her, you know? 546 00:13:20,734 --> 00:13:21,935 What can I do? 547 00:13:21,935 --> 00:13:25,372 And there's really nothing 548 00:13:21,935 --> 00:13:25,372 that I can do or say. 549 00:13:25,372 --> 00:13:28,408 - But it got better once 550 00:13:25,372 --> 00:13:28,408 Cari was diagnosed 551 00:13:28,408 --> 00:13:32,579 with bipolar disorder, 552 00:13:28,408 --> 00:13:32,579 medication evented things out. 553 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:35,448 And Cari and Max settled 554 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:35,448 into an apparently happy 555 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:37,450 and successful life. 556 00:13:37,450 --> 00:13:41,870 And then, that 557 00:13:37,450 --> 00:13:41,870 inexplicable turn. 558 00:13:41,870 --> 00:13:45,225 Cari had just started that 559 00:13:41,870 --> 00:13:45,225 high tech job of hers in Omaha. 560 00:13:45,225 --> 00:13:46,593 - She really 561 00:13:45,225 --> 00:13:46,593 liked that job. 562 00:13:46,593 --> 00:13:47,694 - What was she doing? 563 00:13:47,694 --> 00:13:49,396 - She was computer 564 00:13:47,694 --> 00:13:49,396 programming. 565 00:13:49,396 --> 00:13:53,800 - And then, November 2012, 566 00:13:49,396 --> 00:13:53,800 she took on that big project. 567 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,502 Max, who was 568 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,502 a teenager then, 569 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,737 he understood about 570 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,737 her long hours 571 00:13:57,737 --> 00:14:01,274 and how she decided to stay 572 00:13:57,737 --> 00:14:01,274 in the city for a few days. 573 00:14:01,274 --> 00:14:04,277 Didn't ask about the man 574 00:14:01,274 --> 00:14:04,277 she'd be staying with. 575 00:14:04,277 --> 00:14:05,612 - I didn't know 576 00:14:04,277 --> 00:14:05,612 Dave at the time. 577 00:14:05,612 --> 00:14:08,615 I just had 578 00:14:05,612 --> 00:14:08,615 heard of a Dave. 579 00:14:08,615 --> 00:14:09,949 - Dave. 580 00:14:09,949 --> 00:14:11,685 That's all her 581 00:14:09,949 --> 00:14:11,685 family knew. 582 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:13,860 - She in a very 583 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:13,860 good place. 584 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:15,388 I mean, she had been 585 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:15,388 for a long time. 586 00:14:15,388 --> 00:14:18,580 And, um... 587 00:14:18,580 --> 00:14:21,227 I didn't think 588 00:14:18,580 --> 00:14:21,227 too much about it. 589 00:14:21,227 --> 00:14:24,564 - And so, that weekend, 590 00:14:21,227 --> 00:14:24,564 Nancy picked up Max, and later, 591 00:14:24,564 --> 00:14:28,301 Cari drove off to Omaha to 592 00:14:24,564 --> 00:14:28,301 spend the week with Dave. 593 00:14:28,301 --> 00:14:31,137 - She didn't text me 594 00:14:28,301 --> 00:14:31,137 or anything that-that Monday. 595 00:14:31,137 --> 00:14:33,340 And then, I started 596 00:14:31,137 --> 00:14:33,340 getting text messages 597 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,442 saying that she was-- 598 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,442 had quit her job, 599 00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:39,879 she was going to Kansas 600 00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:39,879 to live, and, um-- 601 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,314 - What was it like 602 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,314 to get that? 603 00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:45,151 - It was totally 604 00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:45,151 off the wall. 605 00:14:45,151 --> 00:14:46,353 - That was about 606 00:14:45,151 --> 00:14:46,353 the same time 607 00:14:46,353 --> 00:14:48,421 Dave was getting 608 00:14:46,353 --> 00:14:48,421 those angry texts. 609 00:14:48,421 --> 00:14:51,290 Though, Nancy had 610 00:14:48,421 --> 00:14:51,290 no idea about that. 611 00:14:51,290 --> 00:14:55,195 Anyway, Cari's news came as 612 00:14:51,290 --> 00:14:55,195 a big surprise to Nancy. 613 00:14:55,195 --> 00:14:58,980 Though to Max, 614 00:14:55,195 --> 00:14:58,980 maybe not so much. 615 00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:00,834 - 'Cause she had somethin' 616 00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:00,834 down in Kansas 617 00:15:00,834 --> 00:15:03,203 that was gonna be going 618 00:15:00,834 --> 00:15:03,203 and interviewing for 619 00:15:03,203 --> 00:15:04,904 after those 620 00:15:03,203 --> 00:15:04,904 few days at work. 621 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,410 - His mom had mentioned 622 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,410 a possible job change. 623 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:10,110 She even discussed with him 624 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:10,110 staying with grandma 625 00:15:10,110 --> 00:15:11,211 to finish high school. 626 00:15:11,211 --> 00:15:14,114 And then, 627 00:15:11,211 --> 00:15:14,114 early that weird week-- 628 00:15:14,114 --> 00:15:16,149 - I got a text saying, "Hey." 629 00:15:16,149 --> 00:15:17,650 Uh, "I got 630 00:15:16,149 --> 00:15:17,650 a second interview." 631 00:15:17,650 --> 00:15:20,787 - But she'd be back from Kansas 632 00:15:17,650 --> 00:15:20,787 on the weekend, she'd texted, 633 00:15:20,787 --> 00:15:24,190 for a family wedding 634 00:15:20,787 --> 00:15:24,190 at which Max was an usher. 635 00:15:24,190 --> 00:15:27,160 But as the bride 636 00:15:24,190 --> 00:15:27,160 walked down the aisle, 637 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,396 no sign of Cari. 638 00:15:29,396 --> 00:15:31,865 - I was just like, okay, 639 00:15:29,396 --> 00:15:31,865 she's just running late. 640 00:15:31,865 --> 00:15:32,966 She'll be 641 00:15:31,865 --> 00:15:32,966 at the reception. 642 00:15:32,966 --> 00:15:34,601 She'll be there for the party 643 00:15:32,966 --> 00:15:34,601 and everything. 644 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:38,471 But at the party I remember 645 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:38,471 probably every 5, 10 minutes 646 00:15:38,471 --> 00:15:39,539 I was glancin' back 647 00:15:38,471 --> 00:15:39,539 at the door. 648 00:15:39,539 --> 00:15:41,841 Just hoping. 649 00:15:39,539 --> 00:15:41,841 - Where is she? 650 00:15:41,841 --> 00:15:43,877 - Yeah. Just wondering 651 00:15:41,841 --> 00:15:43,877 where she was. 652 00:15:43,877 --> 00:15:45,779 I just kept saying, "Oh, 653 00:15:43,877 --> 00:15:45,779 she'll be here any minute. 654 00:15:45,779 --> 00:15:47,380 Be here any minute." 655 00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:51,117 Midnight got around and 656 00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:51,117 she wasn't there and-- 657 00:15:51,117 --> 00:15:54,421 eh, I had-- 658 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:56,890 I didn't know what 659 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:56,890 to think at that point. 660 00:15:59,426 --> 00:16:02,595 - Unsettling doubts 661 00:15:59,426 --> 00:16:02,595 about Cari's story. 662 00:16:02,595 --> 00:16:05,365 Was she moving 663 00:16:02,595 --> 00:16:05,365 or was she missing? 664 00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:07,167 - I could just feel it 665 00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:07,167 in my bones. 666 00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:08,935 Something wasn't 667 00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:08,935 right here. 668 00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:20,680 ** 669 00:16:21,281 --> 00:16:22,449 - Long as he could 670 00:16:21,281 --> 00:16:22,449 remember, 671 00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:25,785 Max Farver believed 672 00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:25,785 he knew his mom Cari 673 00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:28,388 as well as anybody 674 00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:28,388 possibly could. 675 00:16:28,388 --> 00:16:29,823 - We were definitely 676 00:16:28,388 --> 00:16:29,823 really close. 677 00:16:29,823 --> 00:16:33,159 I was her second opinion 678 00:16:29,823 --> 00:16:33,159 on most things. 679 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,896 - So, when Cari was a no-show 680 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,896 at the wedding, 681 00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:39,866 Max knew something 682 00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:39,866 was way off. 683 00:16:39,866 --> 00:16:42,469 - I wasn't sure what 684 00:16:39,866 --> 00:16:42,469 was going on, but it-- 685 00:16:42,469 --> 00:16:43,870 I just knew 686 00:16:42,469 --> 00:16:43,870 somethin' was wrong. 687 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:46,272 - I could just feel 688 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:46,272 it in my bones. 689 00:16:46,272 --> 00:16:47,374 There was something-- 690 00:16:47,374 --> 00:16:49,242 Something wasn't 691 00:16:47,374 --> 00:16:49,242 right here. 692 00:16:49,242 --> 00:16:51,311 - Nancy didn't tell 693 00:16:49,242 --> 00:16:51,311 her grandson 694 00:16:51,311 --> 00:16:53,913 about the truly 695 00:16:51,311 --> 00:16:53,913 disturbing text 696 00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:55,682 she'd received 697 00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:55,682 from Cari. 698 00:16:55,682 --> 00:16:58,985 This one didn't say 699 00:16:55,682 --> 00:16:58,985 anything about a new job. 700 00:16:58,985 --> 00:17:02,489 Instead, Cari texted 701 00:16:58,985 --> 00:17:02,489 she broke up with her boyfriend 702 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:05,892 and was thinking about checking 703 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:05,892 into a mental hospital. 704 00:17:05,892 --> 00:17:07,594 That'd scare you. 705 00:17:07,594 --> 00:17:09,362 - Yes, it scared me 706 00:17:07,594 --> 00:17:09,362 tremendously. 707 00:17:09,362 --> 00:17:14,501 - By "boyfriend," did she mean 708 00:17:09,362 --> 00:17:14,501 this mysterious Dave? 709 00:17:14,501 --> 00:17:16,703 - Did you know how to reach 710 00:17:14,501 --> 00:17:16,703 this guy or even-- 711 00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:18,171 - No, I didn't. 712 00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:18,171 - What his last name was? 713 00:17:18,171 --> 00:17:21,840 - I didn't know how to start 714 00:17:18,171 --> 00:17:21,840 looking for her. 715 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,430 - So, what is that like? 716 00:17:23,430 --> 00:17:25,244 - It's hell. 717 00:17:25,244 --> 00:17:30,517 It's just, uh-- 718 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:34,354 Frustration 719 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:34,354 and just helplessness. 720 00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:37,424 - So, before dropping off 721 00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:37,424 Max at the wedding, 722 00:17:37,424 --> 00:17:39,459 she called the county 723 00:17:37,424 --> 00:17:39,459 sheriff's office 724 00:17:39,459 --> 00:17:42,228 to file a missing 725 00:17:39,459 --> 00:17:42,228 person's report. 726 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:44,640 - They took down all 727 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:44,640 the information, of course, 728 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:45,565 and they couldn't-- 729 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:47,967 they didn't really 730 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:47,967 offer too much. 731 00:17:47,967 --> 00:17:49,836 - Well, I guess they thought, 732 00:17:47,967 --> 00:17:49,836 what, she's a grown woman. 733 00:17:49,836 --> 00:17:50,737 - Yeah. 734 00:17:49,836 --> 00:17:50,737 - She can leave 735 00:17:50,737 --> 00:17:52,138 if she wants to leave. 736 00:17:50,737 --> 00:17:52,138 - Right. 737 00:17:52,138 --> 00:17:55,108 - Nancy told the deputies 738 00:17:52,138 --> 00:17:55,108 about Cari's struggles 739 00:17:55,108 --> 00:17:57,110 with bipolar disorder. 740 00:17:57,110 --> 00:18:00,213 And here's what they 741 00:17:57,110 --> 00:18:00,213 told her, said Nancy. 742 00:18:00,213 --> 00:18:03,160 - Well, she's probably 743 00:18:00,213 --> 00:18:03,160 off her medicine 744 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,918 and, you know, 745 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,918 these things happen 746 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:07,454 and so, there's-- 747 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:07,454 that happens a lot. 748 00:18:07,454 --> 00:18:09,189 - Nancy tried calling, 749 00:18:09,189 --> 00:18:11,591 but Cari just wouldn't 750 00:18:09,189 --> 00:18:11,591 pick up. 751 00:18:11,591 --> 00:18:15,428 She did respond to texts, 752 00:18:11,591 --> 00:18:15,428 but sent mixed messages. 753 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:18,198 - I'm moving down 754 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:18,198 with this Dave. 755 00:18:18,198 --> 00:18:20,800 I had no idea 756 00:18:18,198 --> 00:18:20,800 who this Dave was. 757 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,736 - It was confusing. 758 00:18:22,736 --> 00:18:25,405 Did she have some sort 759 00:18:22,736 --> 00:18:25,405 of mental breakdown? 760 00:18:25,405 --> 00:18:27,941 Cari quit her job 761 00:18:25,405 --> 00:18:27,941 in Omaha. 762 00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:30,443 Sent her company a text 763 00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:30,443 to let them know 764 00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:34,647 and texted her mom that she was 765 00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:34,647 taking that job in Kansas 766 00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:36,249 and moving away. 767 00:18:36,249 --> 00:18:38,885 And has sold 768 00:18:36,249 --> 00:18:38,885 her furniture. 769 00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:41,888 She attached a photo 770 00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:41,888 of a check from the buyer. 771 00:18:41,888 --> 00:18:44,624 Cari wanted Nancy 772 00:18:41,888 --> 00:18:44,624 to let the buyer pick it up 773 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,260 out in Macedonia 774 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,260 and take it away. 775 00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:49,629 - And I said, 776 00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:49,629 "Absolutely not." 777 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:51,731 I said, 778 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:51,731 "Either you call me. 779 00:18:51,731 --> 00:18:52,732 "You come see me. 780 00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:55,902 I'm not doing anything 781 00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:55,902 until I hear you." 782 00:18:55,902 --> 00:18:58,938 And that's when the nasty 783 00:18:55,902 --> 00:18:58,938 texts started coming. 784 00:18:58,938 --> 00:18:59,873 - What did she say then? 785 00:18:59,873 --> 00:19:01,410 - That I was a bad mother. 786 00:19:01,410 --> 00:19:02,275 And she said, 787 00:19:01,410 --> 00:19:02,275 "I'm gonna take Max. 788 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:03,643 You're-- 789 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:03,643 We're gonna leave." 790 00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:07,130 - Cari texted Max, too, 791 00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:07,130 and let him know. 792 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:09,182 - You're coming with me. 793 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:09,182 You have no choice. 794 00:19:09,182 --> 00:19:13,190 I'm the adult here. 795 00:19:09,182 --> 00:19:13,190 And my-- what I say goes. 796 00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:14,688 - I'm just trying to 797 00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:14,688 imagine what it was like 798 00:19:14,688 --> 00:19:16,723 to be you in the middle 799 00:19:14,688 --> 00:19:16,723 of that situation. 800 00:19:16,723 --> 00:19:18,792 - It was, uh-- 801 00:19:16,723 --> 00:19:18,792 It was a bit scary 802 00:19:18,792 --> 00:19:23,290 because we all thought that 803 00:19:18,792 --> 00:19:23,290 someone might come at school 804 00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:25,310 to try to get me. 805 00:19:25,310 --> 00:19:28,134 Because the school would 806 00:19:25,310 --> 00:19:28,134 legally have to let them-- 807 00:19:28,134 --> 00:19:29,636 - Yeah. 808 00:19:28,134 --> 00:19:29,636 - Let me go with 'em. 809 00:19:29,636 --> 00:19:31,938 - Yeah. 810 00:19:29,636 --> 00:19:31,938 - Like if my mom showed up. 811 00:19:31,938 --> 00:19:32,906 - Max was scared. 812 00:19:32,906 --> 00:19:36,276 Had no idea what was 813 00:19:32,906 --> 00:19:36,276 going on with his mom. 814 00:19:36,276 --> 00:19:38,778 And he wanted to stay 815 00:19:36,276 --> 00:19:38,778 with his grandparents. 816 00:19:38,778 --> 00:19:41,114 - I've heard all of these 817 00:19:38,778 --> 00:19:41,114 horror stories 818 00:19:41,114 --> 00:19:44,617 about people having 819 00:19:41,114 --> 00:19:44,617 these personality changes. 820 00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:46,753 - Yeah. 821 00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:46,753 - And going off the deep end. 822 00:19:46,753 --> 00:19:49,656 And I thought, "I've got 823 00:19:46,753 --> 00:19:49,656 to do something about Max. 824 00:19:49,656 --> 00:19:52,125 I've got to 825 00:19:49,656 --> 00:19:52,125 keep-keep him safe." 826 00:19:52,125 --> 00:19:56,629 - Nancy applied for temporary 827 00:19:52,125 --> 00:19:56,629 guardianship of Max. 828 00:19:56,629 --> 00:19:58,264 - That must be so weird. 829 00:19:58,264 --> 00:19:59,766 - Oh. 830 00:19:59,766 --> 00:20:01,100 - Fraught. 831 00:19:59,766 --> 00:20:01,100 - Yes. 832 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,700 And just wondering what 833 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,700 am I doing to my daughter 834 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:06,873 if-if we were doing this. 835 00:20:06,873 --> 00:20:09,709 The lawyer said, "Now, 836 00:20:06,873 --> 00:20:09,709 this is just temporary. 837 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:10,977 "Now, if she comes back, 838 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:10,977 you know, 839 00:20:10,977 --> 00:20:12,979 you can always undo this." 840 00:20:12,979 --> 00:20:15,448 I said okay. 841 00:20:15,448 --> 00:20:18,385 - Meanwhile, surely the sheriff 842 00:20:15,448 --> 00:20:18,385 could find her daughter. 843 00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:19,586 Get some help. 844 00:20:19,586 --> 00:20:22,655 She showed them Cari's texts 845 00:20:19,586 --> 00:20:22,655 about the furniture. 846 00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:24,157 The phone company said 847 00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:24,157 they were coming 848 00:20:24,157 --> 00:20:26,159 from a location in Omaha. 849 00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:27,927 Officers went there. 850 00:20:27,927 --> 00:20:29,562 No Cari. 851 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:32,632 Sergeant Jim Doty 852 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:32,632 and then-Corporal Ryan Avis 853 00:20:32,632 --> 00:20:34,801 of the Pottawattamie County 854 00:20:32,632 --> 00:20:34,801 Sheriff's Office 855 00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:37,437 who joined the investigation 856 00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:37,437 much later 857 00:20:37,437 --> 00:20:39,406 said the next step 858 00:20:37,437 --> 00:20:39,406 was to find the woman 859 00:20:39,406 --> 00:20:41,410 who'd paid 860 00:20:39,406 --> 00:20:41,410 for the furniture. 861 00:20:41,410 --> 00:20:43,376 And her name was 862 00:20:41,410 --> 00:20:43,376 Shanna Golyar. 863 00:20:43,376 --> 00:20:45,111 - I called her. 864 00:20:43,376 --> 00:20:45,111 Left a voicemail. 865 00:20:45,111 --> 00:20:48,515 Which she returned that call 866 00:20:45,111 --> 00:20:48,515 the next day. 867 00:20:48,515 --> 00:20:51,170 - Shanna went by 868 00:20:48,515 --> 00:20:51,170 her middle name, Liz. 869 00:20:51,170 --> 00:20:54,254 And it turned out 870 00:20:51,170 --> 00:20:54,254 that was the same Liz 871 00:20:54,254 --> 00:20:56,222 Dave Kroupa once dated. 872 00:20:56,222 --> 00:20:58,625 She lived in Omaha 873 00:20:56,222 --> 00:20:58,625 with her two kids. 874 00:20:58,625 --> 00:21:02,662 Liz told the cops that somebody 875 00:20:58,625 --> 00:21:02,662 stole her checkbook 876 00:21:02,662 --> 00:21:05,432 and she suspected 877 00:21:02,662 --> 00:21:05,432 that somebody was the woman 878 00:21:05,432 --> 00:21:08,368 she ran into 879 00:21:05,432 --> 00:21:08,368 at Dave's place. 880 00:21:08,368 --> 00:21:11,705 Liz gave the detectives 881 00:21:08,368 --> 00:21:11,705 his contact information. 882 00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:12,772 She's with him, 883 00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:14,140 and then suddenly she goes 884 00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:14,140 off the rails 885 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:16,476 and starts doing 886 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:16,476 weird stuff like this. 887 00:21:16,476 --> 00:21:18,478 So, he must know 888 00:21:16,476 --> 00:21:18,478 something, right? 889 00:21:18,478 --> 00:21:19,512 - Yeah. 890 00:21:18,478 --> 00:21:19,512 - Yeah. 891 00:21:19,512 --> 00:21:21,648 Definitely a person 892 00:21:19,512 --> 00:21:21,648 you wanted to talk to. 893 00:21:21,648 --> 00:21:25,719 - And by then, the story 894 00:21:21,648 --> 00:21:25,719 Dave could tell the police? 895 00:21:25,719 --> 00:21:28,621 Scary. 896 00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,900 - Cari's latest lover 897 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:31,858 finds himself 898 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:31,858 in the hot seat. 899 00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:34,861 Will investigators 900 00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:34,861 believe the bizarre story 901 00:21:34,861 --> 00:21:37,464 Dave Kroupa 902 00:21:34,861 --> 00:21:37,464 is about to share? 903 00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:41,601 - He was drillin' me 904 00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:41,601 with them policeman eyes. 905 00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:43,300 - You were the last one 906 00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:43,300 to see her. 907 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:45,672 - It was as if 908 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:45,672 I'd already done somethin' 909 00:21:45,672 --> 00:21:47,207 and he already knew it. 910 00:21:47,307 --> 00:21:57,650 ** 911 00:21:58,585 --> 00:22:01,321 Welcome back to "Dateline: 912 00:21:58,585 --> 00:22:01,321 Secrets Uncovered." 913 00:22:01,321 --> 00:22:02,622 I'm Kate Snow. 914 00:22:02,622 --> 00:22:05,325 Cari Farver hadn't 915 00:22:02,622 --> 00:22:05,325 been seen in days. 916 00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:08,328 Friends and family had 917 00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:08,328 received several messages, 918 00:22:08,328 --> 00:22:10,563 but it appeared 919 00:22:08,328 --> 00:22:10,563 the single mom planned 920 00:22:10,563 --> 00:22:12,699 to keep her whereabouts 921 00:22:10,563 --> 00:22:12,699 a secret. 922 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:14,501 Her mother Nancy 923 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:14,501 was worried. 924 00:22:14,501 --> 00:22:17,971 Was Cari experiencing 925 00:22:14,501 --> 00:22:17,971 another bout of mental illness? 926 00:22:17,971 --> 00:22:21,641 Investigators thought one person 927 00:22:17,971 --> 00:22:21,641 in particular might know 928 00:22:21,641 --> 00:22:24,344 and they were about 929 00:22:21,641 --> 00:22:24,344 to pay him a visit. 930 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:27,280 Back to Keith Morrison 931 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:27,280 with "Scorned." 932 00:22:28,948 --> 00:22:30,917 - Dave Kroupa was upset. 933 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:33,860 Maybe as upset 934 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:33,860 as he'd ever been. 935 00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:36,890 Ever since he told Cari that 936 00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:36,890 she couldn't move in with him, 937 00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:39,592 she'd been texting and emailing 938 00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:39,592 and saying awful things 939 00:22:39,592 --> 00:22:41,361 and making his life 940 00:22:39,592 --> 00:22:41,361 miserable. 941 00:22:41,361 --> 00:22:43,930 He tired calling her, 942 00:22:41,361 --> 00:22:43,930 but she didn't answer. 943 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:46,166 And then, a little more 944 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:46,166 than a week later, 945 00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:49,135 the cops showed up 946 00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:49,135 at his auto repair shop. 947 00:22:49,135 --> 00:22:51,338 How did you find out 948 00:22:49,135 --> 00:22:51,338 they were comin'? 949 00:22:51,338 --> 00:22:52,172 They just showed up? 950 00:22:52,172 --> 00:22:53,773 - Oh, yeah. 951 00:22:52,172 --> 00:22:53,773 There was no warning. 952 00:22:53,773 --> 00:22:56,242 - The detectives took him 953 00:22:53,773 --> 00:22:56,242 outside for a talk. 954 00:22:56,242 --> 00:22:58,111 - And he tells me, "Hey, 955 00:22:56,242 --> 00:22:58,111 do you know Cari?" 956 00:22:58,111 --> 00:23:00,800 My first thought is, 957 00:22:58,111 --> 00:23:00,800 "Oh, that crazy one. 958 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,748 Yeah, what?" You know? 959 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,748 - Yeah. 960 00:23:01,748 --> 00:23:03,830 - "When did you 961 00:23:01,748 --> 00:23:03,830 see her last?" 962 00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:05,510 "Oh, the morning of--" 963 00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:05,510 - Yeah, uh-huh. 964 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:07,420 - And "Okay, so, 965 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:07,420 where is she now?' 966 00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:08,688 "No idea." 967 00:23:08,688 --> 00:23:11,524 - The detective didn't 968 00:23:08,688 --> 00:23:11,524 seem to buy that. 969 00:23:11,524 --> 00:23:14,327 - He was drillin' me 970 00:23:11,524 --> 00:23:14,327 with them policeman eyes. 971 00:23:14,327 --> 00:23:16,930 Them ones that are like 972 00:23:14,327 --> 00:23:16,930 ah, you know, 973 00:23:16,930 --> 00:23:20,100 you feel like you're 974 00:23:16,930 --> 00:23:20,100 in the principal's office. 975 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,635 - "Where were you at 976 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,635 6:30 on that morning?" and-- 977 00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:25,839 - Yeah. Yeah, no, 978 00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:25,839 I totally had the feeling-- 979 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,574 - I mean, he was at your house. 980 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,574 - Yes. 981 00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:29,750 - You were the last 982 00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:29,750 one to see her. 983 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:30,543 - And that was how 984 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:30,543 he approached me. 985 00:23:30,543 --> 00:23:33,480 Was as if I had already 986 00:23:30,543 --> 00:23:33,480 done somethin' 987 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,810 and he already knew it 988 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:37,830 and it's time 989 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:37,830 to deal with it, you know? 990 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:38,218 And I was like, "Whoa, 991 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:38,218 whoa, whoa, whoa. 992 00:23:38,218 --> 00:23:40,253 Slow down." 993 00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:43,556 - Dave tried to explain, 994 00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:43,556 he said. 995 00:23:43,556 --> 00:23:45,910 - "Hey, man. 996 00:23:43,556 --> 00:23:45,910 I don't know where she's at, 997 00:23:45,910 --> 00:23:46,659 but I've got nothin' 998 00:23:45,910 --> 00:23:46,659 to do with it." 999 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:49,262 It's-- You know, 1000 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:49,262 I'm back pedalin' 1001 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:50,897 as fast as I can. 1002 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:50,897 - Huh. 1003 00:23:50,897 --> 00:23:52,332 - I don't know where she's at, 1004 00:23:50,897 --> 00:23:52,332 and I don't wanna know 1005 00:23:52,332 --> 00:23:53,433 where she's at 1006 00:23:52,332 --> 00:23:53,433 at that point. 1007 00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:55,101 I just want her 1008 00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:55,101 to go away. 1009 00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:57,170 - Because, 1010 00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:57,170 Dave told the detectives, 1011 00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:59,806 Cari would not stop 1012 00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:59,806 messaging him. 1013 00:23:59,806 --> 00:24:01,107 He showed them his phone 1014 00:24:01,107 --> 00:24:03,510 and was adamant 1015 00:24:01,107 --> 00:24:03,510 he had not seen her 1016 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:05,845 since the morning 1017 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:05,845 he left her at his place. 1018 00:24:05,845 --> 00:24:08,480 Do you think 1019 00:24:05,845 --> 00:24:08,480 they believed you 1020 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,649 when you said you didn't 1021 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,649 know where she was? 1022 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:12,619 - I-- 1023 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:12,619 100% they believed me. 1024 00:24:12,619 --> 00:24:15,550 - And then, 1025 00:24:12,619 --> 00:24:15,550 the strangest thing. 1026 00:24:15,550 --> 00:24:18,558 Cari started texting 1027 00:24:15,550 --> 00:24:18,558 the detective, too. 1028 00:24:22,696 --> 00:24:25,665 The detectives 1029 00:24:22,696 --> 00:24:25,665 texted Cari back. 1030 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,400 - We can't stop 1031 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,400 looking into it. 1032 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,935 We need to locate you. 1033 00:24:28,935 --> 00:24:32,572 Uh, and the missing person 1034 00:24:28,935 --> 00:24:32,572 entry won't be taken out 1035 00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:34,274 until someone talks 1036 00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:34,274 to you in person 1037 00:24:34,274 --> 00:24:36,543 to where we know 1038 00:24:34,274 --> 00:24:36,543 you are okay. 1039 00:24:36,543 --> 00:24:38,111 - Did she respond to that? 1040 00:24:38,111 --> 00:24:40,246 - She said 1041 00:24:38,111 --> 00:24:40,246 it was pointless. 1042 00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:42,716 - She didn't wanna be found. 1043 00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:42,716 - Exactly. 1044 00:24:42,716 --> 00:24:45,452 - But the detective 1045 00:24:42,716 --> 00:24:45,452 got another text. 1046 00:24:45,452 --> 00:24:47,287 This one seemed ominous. 1047 00:24:51,658 --> 00:24:54,160 Who might that person be? 1048 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,863 The detective had 1049 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,863 a pretty good idea. 1050 00:24:56,863 --> 00:25:00,533 Dave showed them texts 1051 00:24:56,863 --> 00:25:00,533 in which Cari blamed Liz 1052 00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:01,668 for their breakup, 1053 00:25:01,668 --> 00:25:03,570 even though, 1054 00:25:01,668 --> 00:25:03,570 as he explained, 1055 00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:07,273 he and Liz weren't even 1056 00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:07,273 together when he met Cari. 1057 00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:08,908 Made sense that Cari 1058 00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:11,644 must have stolen Liz's 1059 00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:11,644 checkbook all right. 1060 00:25:11,644 --> 00:25:14,881 Maybe even forged that 1061 00:25:11,644 --> 00:25:14,881 check for five grand. 1062 00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:17,650 The detectives called Liz 1063 00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:17,650 right away and told her 1064 00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:20,553 she should file a report 1065 00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:20,553 with the Omaha PD. 1066 00:25:20,553 --> 00:25:22,722 It was their jurisdiction. 1067 00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:27,360 But before she got the chance, 1068 00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:27,360 Liz went to her garage 1069 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,297 and there, scrawled on the wall, 1070 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,297 she found the words 1071 00:25:31,297 --> 00:25:33,199 "whore from Dave." 1072 00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:35,402 Had to have been Cari. 1073 00:25:35,402 --> 00:25:38,371 All of it was so strange, 1074 00:25:35,402 --> 00:25:38,371 thought the detectives. 1075 00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:39,673 - Very out of 1076 00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:39,673 the ordinary. 1077 00:25:39,673 --> 00:25:42,275 - Yeah, like maybe she'd had 1078 00:25:39,673 --> 00:25:42,275 a breakdown or something. 1079 00:25:42,275 --> 00:25:44,177 Had a psychotic 1080 00:25:42,275 --> 00:25:44,177 episode and-- 1081 00:25:44,177 --> 00:25:45,845 - That would be 1082 00:25:44,177 --> 00:25:45,845 the only answer. 1083 00:25:45,845 --> 00:25:47,681 - To the police in Omaha, 1084 00:25:47,681 --> 00:25:50,383 Cari was now 1085 00:25:47,681 --> 00:25:50,383 a suspected stalker. 1086 00:25:50,383 --> 00:25:53,853 But back home in 1087 00:25:50,383 --> 00:25:53,853 Pottawattamie County, Iowa, 1088 00:25:53,853 --> 00:25:57,991 she was still a missing person 1089 00:25:53,853 --> 00:25:57,991 with a very worried family. 1090 00:25:57,991 --> 00:25:59,826 Cari's mother heard 1091 00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:02,662 about the threatening texts, 1092 00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:02,662 the harassment, 1093 00:26:02,662 --> 00:26:05,331 the police reports 1094 00:26:02,662 --> 00:26:05,331 filed against her daughter. 1095 00:26:05,331 --> 00:26:08,735 To her, it didn't seem 1096 00:26:05,331 --> 00:26:08,735 like Cari at all. 1097 00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:10,570 And it made her wonder. 1098 00:26:10,570 --> 00:26:14,240 How serious were the police 1099 00:26:10,570 --> 00:26:14,240 about finding her daughter? 1100 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,811 - I got a little callous 1101 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,811 towards the authorities, 1102 00:26:17,811 --> 00:26:21,348 thinking that-- 1103 00:26:17,811 --> 00:26:21,348 I didn't think they were doing 1104 00:26:21,348 --> 00:26:24,500 quite as m-- what they 1105 00:26:21,348 --> 00:26:24,500 should've been doing. But-- 1106 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:25,485 - Did you get the feeling 1107 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:25,485 you just wanna get in there 1108 00:26:25,485 --> 00:26:27,620 and storm the barricades 1109 00:26:25,485 --> 00:26:27,620 and make something happen? 1110 00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:29,550 - Yeah. 1111 00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:31,691 But again, I didn't know 1112 00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:31,691 how much I could do. 1113 00:26:31,691 --> 00:26:34,794 And I-I didn't know 1114 00:26:31,691 --> 00:26:34,794 where to start. 1115 00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:37,897 - Cari had been gone 1116 00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:37,897 for almost 2 weeks. 1117 00:26:37,897 --> 00:26:40,367 Thanksgiving a day away. 1118 00:26:40,367 --> 00:26:43,370 Nancy sent Cari 1119 00:26:40,367 --> 00:26:43,370 a message on Facebook. 1120 00:26:54,347 --> 00:26:55,882 Cari didn't respond 1121 00:26:55,882 --> 00:26:59,152 and didn't show up 1122 00:26:55,882 --> 00:26:59,152 for Thanksgiving dinner. 1123 00:26:59,152 --> 00:27:02,188 Less than a month later, 1124 00:26:59,152 --> 00:27:02,188 Nancy's ex-husband, 1125 00:27:02,188 --> 00:27:05,325 Cari's father, 1126 00:27:02,188 --> 00:27:05,325 died of cancer. 1127 00:27:05,325 --> 00:27:07,494 Cari didn't come 1128 00:27:05,325 --> 00:27:07,494 to the funeral. 1129 00:27:07,494 --> 00:27:10,196 Instead, she sent 1130 00:27:07,494 --> 00:27:10,196 a message on Facebook. 1131 00:27:12,866 --> 00:27:14,601 And just a few days 1132 00:27:12,866 --> 00:27:14,601 before that, 1133 00:27:14,601 --> 00:27:16,690 she posted on Facebook... 1134 00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:23,430 What in heaven's name 1135 00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:23,430 was going on? 1136 00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:25,879 Nancy called the detectives 1137 00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:25,879 who called Dave 1138 00:27:25,879 --> 00:27:29,416 who swore no way 1139 00:27:25,879 --> 00:27:29,416 he was engaged to Cari. 1140 00:27:29,416 --> 00:27:31,718 He said he hadn't 1141 00:27:29,416 --> 00:27:31,718 even seen her, 1142 00:27:31,718 --> 00:27:34,354 but still heard 1143 00:27:31,718 --> 00:27:34,354 from her constantly. 1144 00:27:34,354 --> 00:27:38,458 A hail of texts and emails 1145 00:27:34,354 --> 00:27:38,458 that was only getting thicker. 1146 00:27:38,458 --> 00:27:41,940 - I would get 1147 00:27:38,458 --> 00:27:41,940 50, 60 a day. 1148 00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:43,163 - Make you wanna change 1149 00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:43,163 your phone number, wouldn't it? 1150 00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:44,397 - I did that 1151 00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:44,397 a couple of times. 1152 00:27:44,397 --> 00:27:45,799 - You did? 1153 00:27:44,397 --> 00:27:45,799 And they still kept comin'? 1154 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,434 - They did. 1155 00:27:47,434 --> 00:27:50,770 - Occasionally, Cari's texts 1156 00:27:47,434 --> 00:27:50,770 seemed almost normal. 1157 00:27:57,444 --> 00:28:01,140 But mostly, the emails 1158 00:27:57,444 --> 00:28:01,140 and messages were angry rants 1159 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:03,683 about perceived 1160 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:03,683 romantic rivals. 1161 00:28:03,683 --> 00:28:05,719 Liz Golyar in particular. 1162 00:28:12,425 --> 00:28:14,940 And then, 1163 00:28:12,425 --> 00:28:14,940 with a shudder, 1164 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:17,130 Dave realized 1165 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:17,130 Cari did see him. 1166 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:20,330 She seemed to be 1167 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:20,330 watching his every move. 1168 00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:22,635 - It was very common for me 1169 00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:22,635 to get messages, emails, 1170 00:28:22,635 --> 00:28:24,471 or whatever that say, 1171 00:28:22,635 --> 00:28:24,471 "Oh, I see you 1172 00:28:24,471 --> 00:28:25,872 through your window. 1173 00:28:24,471 --> 00:28:25,872 You're doing this." 1174 00:28:25,872 --> 00:28:28,208 And I'd go, 1175 00:28:25,872 --> 00:28:28,208 I am doin' this. 1176 00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:29,376 Okay great. 1177 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:32,679 And I'd haul ass outside 1178 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:32,679 and go lookin' for somebody. 1179 00:28:32,679 --> 00:28:35,480 Just somebody knows 1180 00:28:32,679 --> 00:28:35,480 what I'm doin'. 1181 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,418 - Even more disturbing, 1182 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,418 Cari messaged Dave 1183 00:28:38,418 --> 00:28:40,854 that she'd taken 1184 00:28:38,418 --> 00:28:40,854 his extra apartment key 1185 00:28:40,854 --> 00:28:44,570 and had been coming and going 1186 00:28:40,854 --> 00:28:44,570 when he wasn't there. 1187 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:46,793 Liz got unsettling 1188 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:46,793 emails, too. 1189 00:28:53,633 --> 00:28:55,402 Attached to the email-- 1190 00:28:55,402 --> 00:28:58,605 a photo to prove 1191 00:28:55,402 --> 00:28:58,605 Cari was there. 1192 00:28:58,605 --> 00:29:01,741 Eventually, the messages 1193 00:28:58,605 --> 00:29:01,741 got threatening. 1194 00:29:01,741 --> 00:29:06,112 Cari wrote Dave a note 1195 00:29:01,741 --> 00:29:06,112 claiming she'd kidnapped Liz. 1196 00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:13,286 Attached was this photo. 1197 00:29:13,286 --> 00:29:15,488 A woman bound. 1198 00:29:15,488 --> 00:29:19,250 Couldn't see her face, 1199 00:29:15,488 --> 00:29:19,250 but was that Liz? 1200 00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:22,280 - I had told her, 1201 00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:22,280 "BS. That's a crock of crap. 1202 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,300 I don't believe you. Go away. 1203 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,300 Leave me alone." 1204 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,334 - Through it all, 1205 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,334 Cari remained invisible. 1206 00:29:27,334 --> 00:29:30,360 Even after she texted Dave 1207 00:29:27,334 --> 00:29:30,360 she was moving 1208 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,439 into an apartment 1209 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,439 building nearby. 1210 00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:42,215 Dave told the cops, 1211 00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:42,215 of course. 1212 00:29:42,215 --> 00:29:44,417 They went looking 1213 00:29:42,215 --> 00:29:44,417 for Cari. 1214 00:29:44,417 --> 00:29:46,860 - And the building number 1215 00:29:44,417 --> 00:29:46,860 was correct 1216 00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:48,388 but the apartment number 1217 00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:48,388 did not exist. 1218 00:29:48,388 --> 00:29:51,124 - Cari was still 1219 00:29:48,388 --> 00:29:51,124 nowhere to be found. 1220 00:29:51,124 --> 00:29:52,959 But near the complex, 1221 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:57,230 Dave did find something 1222 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:57,230 that belonged to Cari. 1223 00:30:00,266 --> 00:30:02,402 - The danger escalates. 1224 00:30:02,402 --> 00:30:04,871 - It was like, 1225 00:30:02,402 --> 00:30:04,871 what in the hell? 1226 00:30:04,871 --> 00:30:06,573 - Into something deadly. 1227 00:30:06,573 --> 00:30:09,642 - It's like you're on edge 1228 00:30:06,573 --> 00:30:09,642 as to what's gonna happen next. 1229 00:30:09,743 --> 00:30:21,554 ** 1230 00:30:22,422 --> 00:30:26,860 - Big snow in Omaha 1231 00:30:22,422 --> 00:30:26,860 that winter of 2012-'13, 1232 00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:30,764 the winter Cari Farver's texts 1233 00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:30,764 were driving Dave Kroupa crazy. 1234 00:30:30,764 --> 00:30:33,933 Blizzards were nothing 1235 00:30:30,764 --> 00:30:33,933 compared to them. 1236 00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:37,170 And worse, said Dave, 1237 00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:37,170 the skin-crawling feeling 1238 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:39,973 that she was stalking him, 1239 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:39,973 spying on him, 1240 00:30:39,973 --> 00:30:44,440 but always, like a ghost, 1241 00:30:39,973 --> 00:30:44,440 when he looked, she was gone. 1242 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,346 Then one day, about two months 1243 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,346 after it started, 1244 00:30:46,346 --> 00:30:48,415 Dave was driving home 1245 00:30:46,346 --> 00:30:48,415 from his shop. 1246 00:30:48,415 --> 00:30:49,783 - And I'm comin' 1247 00:30:48,415 --> 00:30:49,783 through the parking lot, 1248 00:30:49,783 --> 00:30:51,251 and I notice 1249 00:30:49,783 --> 00:30:51,251 the truck there, 1250 00:30:51,251 --> 00:30:53,887 because it still 1251 00:30:51,251 --> 00:30:53,887 had all the snow on it. 1252 00:30:53,887 --> 00:30:55,550 And when I got up close, 1253 00:30:53,887 --> 00:30:55,550 I'm like, 1254 00:30:55,550 --> 00:30:59,259 "Oh, it's an Explorer. 1255 00:30:55,550 --> 00:30:59,259 Oh, it's the right color. Hmm." 1256 00:30:59,259 --> 00:31:00,694 So I called the 1257 00:30:59,259 --> 00:31:00,694 sheriff and said, 1258 00:31:00,694 --> 00:31:03,329 "I'm pretty sure 1259 00:31:00,694 --> 00:31:03,329 I found her truck." 1260 00:31:03,329 --> 00:31:04,631 - He was right. 1261 00:31:04,631 --> 00:31:06,833 It was Cari's SUV, 1262 00:31:06,833 --> 00:31:09,669 still half-buried 1263 00:31:06,833 --> 00:31:09,669 in the snow. 1264 00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:11,237 - They impounded it. 1265 00:31:11,237 --> 00:31:14,174 We had a crime scene 1266 00:31:11,237 --> 00:31:14,174 tech process it, 1267 00:31:14,174 --> 00:31:16,409 and, uh, it was 1268 00:31:14,174 --> 00:31:16,409 really clean. 1269 00:31:16,409 --> 00:31:17,811 - They did a thorough 1270 00:31:16,409 --> 00:31:17,811 investigation, right? 1271 00:31:17,811 --> 00:31:19,646 - Yeah, they did. 1272 00:31:17,811 --> 00:31:19,646 They dusted it for prints, 1273 00:31:19,646 --> 00:31:22,882 and they found a fingerprint 1274 00:31:19,646 --> 00:31:22,882 inside and recovered that. 1275 00:31:22,882 --> 00:31:25,285 - The fingerprint was found 1276 00:31:22,882 --> 00:31:25,285 on a mint container 1277 00:31:25,285 --> 00:31:28,880 in the cup holder 1278 00:31:25,285 --> 00:31:28,880 of the SUV. 1279 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,490 They ran the print through 1280 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,490 the national database. 1281 00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:32,559 No hits. 1282 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,960 But if Cari wasn't 1283 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,960 using her SUV, 1284 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,498 at least certainly 1285 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,498 not daily, 1286 00:31:38,498 --> 00:31:41,100 her presence was 1287 00:31:38,498 --> 00:31:41,100 as unavoidable as ever, 1288 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,903 what with the texts 1289 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,903 and emails, graffiti, 1290 00:31:43,903 --> 00:31:48,108 threatening photos sent to 1291 00:31:43,903 --> 00:31:48,108 both Dave Kroupa and Liz Golyar. 1292 00:31:48,108 --> 00:31:50,944 County detectives made sure 1293 00:31:48,108 --> 00:31:50,944 to do a phone dump 1294 00:31:50,944 --> 00:31:52,178 from both 1295 00:31:50,944 --> 00:31:52,178 of their devices 1296 00:31:52,178 --> 00:31:53,947 to preserve the evidence 1297 00:31:53,947 --> 00:31:58,151 and perhaps figure out 1298 00:31:53,947 --> 00:31:58,151 where Cari was. 1299 00:31:58,151 --> 00:32:01,870 There was even a link to 1300 00:31:58,151 --> 00:32:01,870 a fake obituary for Liz. 1301 00:32:09,829 --> 00:32:11,498 Then, minutes later. 1302 00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:27,447 Trying to enlist you... 1303 00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:27,447 - Oh, yeah. 1304 00:32:27,447 --> 00:32:29,749 - ...in her 1305 00:32:27,447 --> 00:32:29,749 scheme to kill Liz. 1306 00:32:29,749 --> 00:32:31,184 - It totally-- Yeah. 1307 00:32:29,749 --> 00:32:31,184 - And her kids. 1308 00:32:31,184 --> 00:32:32,619 - Totally. Yeah. 1309 00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:35,255 Yeah, that was a-a very 1310 00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:35,255 interesting read 1311 00:32:35,255 --> 00:32:36,423 the first time 1312 00:32:35,255 --> 00:32:36,423 I read that. 1313 00:32:36,423 --> 00:32:41,161 It was like, oh, my-- 1314 00:32:36,423 --> 00:32:41,161 what in the hell? 1315 00:32:41,161 --> 00:32:44,931 - Cari didn't seem to realize 1316 00:32:41,161 --> 00:32:44,931 that her ongoing harassment 1317 00:32:44,931 --> 00:32:49,302 was actually pushing Dave 1318 00:32:44,931 --> 00:32:49,302 and Liz back together. 1319 00:32:49,302 --> 00:32:51,204 You compared notes on the 1320 00:32:49,302 --> 00:32:51,204 harassment you were getting? 1321 00:32:51,204 --> 00:32:53,306 - Oh, we'd spend hours 1322 00:32:51,204 --> 00:32:53,306 talkin' about it, 1323 00:32:53,306 --> 00:32:55,442 showin' each other 1324 00:32:53,306 --> 00:32:55,442 texts and emails we got. 1325 00:32:55,442 --> 00:32:57,610 And, yeah, it was-- 1326 00:32:55,442 --> 00:32:57,610 - Kind of comforting each other. 1327 00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:58,745 You-- 1328 00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:58,745 - Yeah. 1329 00:32:58,745 --> 00:33:00,447 - 'Cause that's-- Who else 1330 00:32:58,745 --> 00:33:00,447 would understand, right? 1331 00:33:00,447 --> 00:33:03,830 - Exactly. Nobody else 1332 00:33:00,447 --> 00:33:03,830 did understand. 1333 00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:07,354 - By now, Dave and Liz were 1334 00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:07,354 regulars at the Omaha PD, 1335 00:33:07,354 --> 00:33:10,690 filing one complaint after 1336 00:33:07,354 --> 00:33:10,690 another against Cari, 1337 00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:12,158 like the time 1338 00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:12,158 they reported 1339 00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:15,895 that Cari had broken 1340 00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:15,895 Dave's apartment window. 1341 00:33:15,895 --> 00:33:17,464 And that's when 1342 00:33:15,895 --> 00:33:17,464 Detective Chris LeGrow 1343 00:33:17,464 --> 00:33:19,566 stepped in 1344 00:33:17,464 --> 00:33:19,566 to investigate. 1345 00:33:19,566 --> 00:33:20,533 - He says, 1346 00:33:19,566 --> 00:33:20,533 "Yeah, it's her. 1347 00:33:20,533 --> 00:33:22,369 "She's done this 1348 00:33:20,533 --> 00:33:22,369 to me before." 1349 00:33:22,369 --> 00:33:24,838 Um, he identifies 1350 00:33:22,369 --> 00:33:24,838 a photo of her. 1351 00:33:24,838 --> 00:33:26,406 Shows me, you know, 1352 00:33:24,838 --> 00:33:26,406 some text messages 1353 00:33:26,406 --> 00:33:27,674 that she had 1354 00:33:26,406 --> 00:33:27,674 made a text 1355 00:33:27,674 --> 00:33:30,510 referencing the fact that 1356 00:33:27,674 --> 00:33:30,510 she broke out his window. 1357 00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:33,790 - LeGrow could see the 1358 00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:33,790 attacks were escalating 1359 00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:35,515 from angry texts 1360 00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:35,515 to theft 1361 00:33:35,515 --> 00:33:38,785 and then vandalism 1362 00:33:35,515 --> 00:33:38,785 and threats of physical harm. 1363 00:33:38,785 --> 00:33:41,921 He obtained an arrest 1364 00:33:38,785 --> 00:33:41,921 warrant for Cari Farver, 1365 00:33:41,921 --> 00:33:44,724 not that he had much 1366 00:33:41,921 --> 00:33:44,724 hope of finding her. 1367 00:33:44,724 --> 00:33:46,626 He knew Cari was 1368 00:33:44,724 --> 00:33:46,626 a computer expert, 1369 00:33:46,626 --> 00:33:48,940 probably using software 1370 00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:50,960 to disguise the phones 1371 00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:50,960 and computers 1372 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,798 her messages came from. 1373 00:33:51,798 --> 00:33:53,533 - I thought well, 1374 00:33:51,798 --> 00:33:53,533 maybe-- 1375 00:33:53,533 --> 00:33:55,635 This must be some kind 1376 00:33:53,533 --> 00:33:55,635 of avenue she's utilizing, 1377 00:33:55,635 --> 00:33:59,439 um, because, um, it-- 1378 00:33:55,635 --> 00:33:59,439 just nothing's there. 1379 00:33:59,439 --> 00:34:01,410 We can't find her. 1380 00:34:01,410 --> 00:34:02,509 - Weeks passed, 1381 00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:04,210 and each time 1382 00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:04,210 Dave and Liz were hit 1383 00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:07,213 with an even more 1384 00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:07,213 outrageous barrage, 1385 00:34:07,213 --> 00:34:11,510 LeGrow would look again 1386 00:34:07,213 --> 00:34:11,510 and again not find Cari. 1387 00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:15,221 And yet, it all seemed to 1388 00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:15,221 be leading somewhere bad. 1389 00:34:15,221 --> 00:34:18,580 Were Dave and Liz afraid? 1390 00:34:15,221 --> 00:34:18,580 - Oh, yes. 1391 00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:20,226 It's not so much you're 1392 00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:20,226 terrified of the individual, 1393 00:34:20,226 --> 00:34:22,949 but it's like 1394 00:34:20,226 --> 00:34:22,949 you're on edge 1395 00:34:22,949 --> 00:34:24,639 as to what's gonna 1396 00:34:22,949 --> 00:34:24,639 happen next. 1397 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,166 - And sure enough, 1398 00:34:26,166 --> 00:34:29,436 what happened next 1399 00:34:26,166 --> 00:34:29,436 was terrifying. 1400 00:34:29,436 --> 00:34:31,771 Early Saturday morning, 1401 00:34:29,436 --> 00:34:31,771 August 17th, 1402 00:34:31,771 --> 00:34:33,907 Liz called Dave, 1403 00:34:31,771 --> 00:34:33,907 frantic. 1404 00:34:33,907 --> 00:34:35,742 - "My house burned down. 1405 00:34:33,907 --> 00:34:35,742 Oh, my God. 1406 00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:38,645 "It's that crazy person Cari 1407 00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:38,645 stalkin' me again." 1408 00:34:38,645 --> 00:34:41,547 - Wow. Liz had been in 1409 00:34:38,645 --> 00:34:41,547 the middle of moving out. 1410 00:34:41,547 --> 00:34:43,917 She and her kids were already 1411 00:34:41,547 --> 00:34:43,917 sleeping at her new place, 1412 00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:46,585 but she went back to the old 1413 00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:46,585 place that Saturday morning 1414 00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:48,355 to pick up more 1415 00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:48,355 of their things. 1416 00:34:48,355 --> 00:34:52,525 And instead, she had to call 1417 00:34:48,355 --> 00:34:52,525 the Omaha Fire Department. 1418 00:34:52,525 --> 00:34:53,659 They responded 1419 00:34:52,525 --> 00:34:53,659 right away, 1420 00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:56,996 and later, so did 1421 00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:56,996 Detective LeGrow. 1422 00:34:56,996 --> 00:34:58,665 - The inside of the house 1423 00:34:56,996 --> 00:34:58,665 was pretty charred 1424 00:34:58,665 --> 00:35:00,266 and burned and the-- 1425 00:34:58,665 --> 00:35:00,266 smoke damage. 1426 00:35:00,266 --> 00:35:01,835 - A serious fire. Big damage. 1427 00:35:00,266 --> 00:35:01,835 - Sufficient. Yes. 1428 00:35:01,835 --> 00:35:04,671 Really, it could've ended up 1429 00:35:01,835 --> 00:35:04,671 burning down the house, 1430 00:35:04,671 --> 00:35:07,607 uh, but, uh, just didn't 1431 00:35:04,671 --> 00:35:07,607 quite get to that point. 1432 00:35:07,607 --> 00:35:09,509 - But it was deadly enough. 1433 00:35:09,509 --> 00:35:13,513 Liz had two dogs, 1434 00:35:09,509 --> 00:35:13,513 one cat, and a pet snake. 1435 00:35:13,513 --> 00:35:15,815 All were still 1436 00:35:13,513 --> 00:35:15,815 in the house. 1437 00:35:15,815 --> 00:35:18,752 All of them 1438 00:35:15,815 --> 00:35:18,752 were found dead. 1439 00:35:18,752 --> 00:35:20,887 Neighbors across the street 1440 00:35:18,752 --> 00:35:20,887 said they saw a woman 1441 00:35:20,887 --> 00:35:23,223 in a car parked outside 1442 00:35:20,887 --> 00:35:23,223 Liz's house 1443 00:35:23,223 --> 00:35:25,658 a few weeks 1444 00:35:23,223 --> 00:35:25,658 before the fire. 1445 00:35:25,658 --> 00:35:28,661 Detective LeGrow showed 1446 00:35:25,658 --> 00:35:28,661 them a photo of Cari. 1447 00:35:28,661 --> 00:35:30,330 The neighbors said 1448 00:35:28,661 --> 00:35:30,330 they couldn't be sure, 1449 00:35:30,330 --> 00:35:34,167 but she had the same 1450 00:35:30,330 --> 00:35:34,167 general appearance. 1451 00:35:34,167 --> 00:35:37,303 But an email to Dave made 1452 00:35:34,167 --> 00:35:37,303 no secret of who did it. 1453 00:35:45,345 --> 00:35:47,881 And later, 1454 00:35:45,345 --> 00:35:47,881 Cari to Liz. 1455 00:35:50,917 --> 00:35:53,420 - Once you get into, uh, 1456 00:35:50,917 --> 00:35:53,420 situations like arson 1457 00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:56,890 or threats to 1458 00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:56,890 an individual's life 1459 00:35:56,890 --> 00:35:58,658 or those around them, 1460 00:35:56,890 --> 00:35:58,658 their children, 1461 00:35:58,658 --> 00:35:59,859 the ex-boyfriend. 1462 00:35:59,859 --> 00:36:02,228 Certainly, you're gonna take 1463 00:35:59,859 --> 00:36:02,228 that much more serious. 1464 00:36:02,228 --> 00:36:04,764 - Suddenly, the case 1465 00:36:02,228 --> 00:36:04,764 against Cari 1466 00:36:04,764 --> 00:36:07,367 looked very serious 1467 00:36:04,764 --> 00:36:07,367 indeed. 1468 00:36:07,367 --> 00:36:12,380 But still, like smoke from 1469 00:36:07,367 --> 00:36:12,380 the fire, she vanished. 1470 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,808 - What I did was try 1471 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,808 and find some way of so-- 1472 00:36:14,808 --> 00:36:16,443 seein' if somebody 1473 00:36:14,808 --> 00:36:16,443 saw her, 1474 00:36:16,443 --> 00:36:18,278 uh, and again, came 1475 00:36:16,443 --> 00:36:18,278 up with nothing, 1476 00:36:18,278 --> 00:36:20,313 over and over again. 1477 00:36:18,278 --> 00:36:20,313 Nothing. 1478 00:36:20,313 --> 00:36:22,449 - By this time, said Dave, 1479 00:36:20,313 --> 00:36:22,449 he was afraid 1480 00:36:22,449 --> 00:36:25,510 she'd try to attack 1481 00:36:22,449 --> 00:36:25,510 his kids, too. 1482 00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:27,253 What did she say when she 1483 00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:27,253 threatened your kids, 1484 00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:29,889 for example? 1485 00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:29,889 - Oh, it was somethin' 1486 00:36:29,889 --> 00:36:33,590 along the lines of "slit your 1487 00:36:29,889 --> 00:36:33,590 children's throats." 1488 00:36:33,590 --> 00:36:34,327 - Wow. 1489 00:36:33,590 --> 00:36:34,327 - Yeah. 1490 00:36:34,327 --> 00:36:36,329 That's pretty hard to read. 1491 00:36:36,329 --> 00:36:38,832 - It took a toll, said Dave. 1492 00:36:38,832 --> 00:36:40,567 - For a while there, 1493 00:36:38,832 --> 00:36:40,567 I was drinkin' heavily, 1494 00:36:40,567 --> 00:36:43,403 which is not me. 1495 00:36:40,567 --> 00:36:43,403 - And you bought a gun. 1496 00:36:43,403 --> 00:36:48,740 - Sure. Yeah. Yep. 1497 00:36:43,403 --> 00:36:48,740 - Why? 1498 00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:51,770 - For my safety and 1499 00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:51,770 my children's safety. 1500 00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:54,247 For just protection in general, 1501 00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:54,247 'cause I didn't know. 1502 00:36:54,247 --> 00:36:57,830 - So Dave and Liz kept 1503 00:36:54,247 --> 00:36:57,830 watch in the city, 1504 00:36:57,830 --> 00:36:59,352 wary, fearful, 1505 00:36:59,352 --> 00:37:02,880 while out in Macedonia, 1506 00:36:59,352 --> 00:37:02,880 Cari's family was coping 1507 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,624 with a whole different 1508 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,624 set of emotions-- 1509 00:37:04,624 --> 00:37:06,926 emptiness, grief, 1510 00:37:06,926 --> 00:37:09,829 and a terrible 1511 00:37:06,926 --> 00:37:09,829 gnawing uncertainty. 1512 00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:12,532 Nancy had sent several 1513 00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:12,532 pleading messages. 1514 00:37:12,532 --> 00:37:14,200 "Come home." 1515 00:37:27,781 --> 00:37:30,550 For a parent, 1516 00:37:27,781 --> 00:37:30,550 for a mother, 1517 00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:32,352 I don't know how-how-- 1518 00:37:32,352 --> 00:37:36,890 How do you characterize 1519 00:37:32,352 --> 00:37:36,890 this episode in your life? 1520 00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:38,625 How do you talk about 1521 00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:38,625 those feelings 1522 00:37:38,625 --> 00:37:41,695 and make sense of them? 1523 00:37:41,695 --> 00:37:43,863 - There was no 1524 00:37:41,695 --> 00:37:43,863 making sense of it. 1525 00:37:43,863 --> 00:37:49,736 Uh, total loss. 1526 00:37:49,736 --> 00:37:52,939 - What happened 1527 00:37:49,736 --> 00:37:52,939 to Cari Farver? 1528 00:37:52,939 --> 00:37:54,908 And why? 1529 00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:03,116 - News like a lightning bolt 1530 00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:03,116 for a family in anguish. 1531 00:38:03,116 --> 00:38:06,119 Someone claimed 1532 00:38:03,116 --> 00:38:06,119 to have seen Cari. 1533 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,555 - My heart was just 1534 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,555 racing like crazy. 1535 00:38:08,655 --> 00:38:19,666 ** 1536 00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:22,702 - Where was Cari Farver? 1537 00:38:22,702 --> 00:38:26,720 Everyone wanted to know, 1538 00:38:22,702 --> 00:38:26,720 especially her family. 1539 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,408 What was it like at 1540 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,408 Christmastime without her? 1541 00:38:28,408 --> 00:38:32,780 - That was hard. 1542 00:38:28,408 --> 00:38:32,780 That's hard. 1543 00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:35,782 - Christmas was once magic 1544 00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:35,782 for Max here in Macedonia, 1545 00:38:35,782 --> 00:38:39,319 a celebration of his amazing 1546 00:38:35,782 --> 00:38:39,319 bond with his mother. 1547 00:38:39,319 --> 00:38:41,540 The little things, 1548 00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:43,556 like their family's 1549 00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:43,556 gift-opening traditions. 1550 00:38:43,556 --> 00:38:44,624 At our house, 1551 00:38:44,624 --> 00:38:45,925 instead of everyone 1552 00:38:44,624 --> 00:38:45,925 just kinda goin' at once, 1553 00:38:45,925 --> 00:38:49,462 we go by age and 1554 00:38:45,925 --> 00:38:49,462 do rounds at Christmas. 1555 00:38:49,462 --> 00:38:52,699 And just going from me to 1556 00:38:49,462 --> 00:38:52,699 grandma just seemed wrong. 1557 00:38:56,302 --> 00:38:57,971 - Well, it was wrong. 1558 00:39:01,841 --> 00:39:04,277 And you kinda had to 1559 00:39:01,841 --> 00:39:04,277 bottle it up, didn't you? 1560 00:39:04,277 --> 00:39:07,747 - Kinda. 1561 00:39:07,747 --> 00:39:11,184 - He didn't show his emotion 1562 00:39:07,747 --> 00:39:11,184 too much to me, 1563 00:39:11,184 --> 00:39:14,200 'cause he could-- 1564 00:39:11,184 --> 00:39:14,200 he knew that I was, um-- 1565 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,456 - You were worried. 1566 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,456 - I was really worried. 1567 00:39:16,456 --> 00:39:20,193 But I found out from his 1568 00:39:16,456 --> 00:39:20,193 girlfriend's mother 1569 00:39:20,193 --> 00:39:22,929 that he would go over to her 1570 00:39:20,193 --> 00:39:22,929 house after school and stuff, 1571 00:39:22,929 --> 00:39:24,364 to his girlfriend's house, 1572 00:39:24,364 --> 00:39:27,334 and, um, her mother 1573 00:39:24,364 --> 00:39:27,334 told me 1574 00:39:27,334 --> 00:39:31,370 that he did a lot of crying 1575 00:39:27,334 --> 00:39:31,370 at their house, and... 1576 00:39:34,808 --> 00:39:38,878 that bothered me, 1577 00:39:34,808 --> 00:39:38,878 of course. 1578 00:39:38,878 --> 00:39:40,513 - There had been 1579 00:39:38,878 --> 00:39:40,513 a sudden bit of hope 1580 00:39:40,513 --> 00:39:42,749 after that first Christmas 1581 00:39:40,513 --> 00:39:42,749 without Cari. 1582 00:39:42,749 --> 00:39:46,486 In April 2013, 1583 00:39:42,749 --> 00:39:46,486 the phone rang. 1584 00:39:46,486 --> 00:39:48,521 On the line was a man. 1585 00:39:48,521 --> 00:39:51,570 - Saying that Cari was 1586 00:39:48,521 --> 00:39:51,570 at this, uh, 1587 00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:53,560 a homeless shelter 1588 00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:53,560 in Omaha, 1589 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,495 and that we were 1590 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,495 to go pick her up. 1591 00:39:55,495 --> 00:39:56,796 - What was happening 1592 00:39:55,495 --> 00:39:56,796 in here when you heard? 1593 00:39:56,796 --> 00:39:58,965 - Oh, I-- Just flutters. 1594 00:39:58,965 --> 00:40:03,536 I mean, I-- My heart was 1595 00:39:58,965 --> 00:40:03,536 just racing like crazy. 1596 00:40:03,536 --> 00:40:05,605 - The shelter was 1597 00:40:03,536 --> 00:40:05,605 about an hour away. 1598 00:40:05,605 --> 00:40:07,707 Nancy, who had neither 1599 00:40:05,605 --> 00:40:07,707 seen her daughter 1600 00:40:07,707 --> 00:40:09,576 nor heard her voice 1601 00:40:07,707 --> 00:40:09,576 for months, 1602 00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:11,144 was too wrought up 1603 00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:11,144 to drive, 1604 00:40:11,144 --> 00:40:13,313 so she asked her 1605 00:40:11,144 --> 00:40:13,313 brother to take her. 1606 00:40:13,313 --> 00:40:17,617 - Oh, I was so tense, 1607 00:40:13,313 --> 00:40:17,617 and it was just, 1608 00:40:17,617 --> 00:40:20,200 you know, tryin' to catch 1609 00:40:17,617 --> 00:40:20,200 your breath and just-- 1610 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,154 - Did you rehearse 1611 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,154 what you'd say 1612 00:40:21,154 --> 00:40:21,988 once you saw her? 1613 00:40:21,988 --> 00:40:25,158 - Yeah. Oh, 1614 00:40:21,988 --> 00:40:25,158 "Where have you been?" 1615 00:40:25,158 --> 00:40:27,270 Yeah, and I-- 1616 00:40:25,158 --> 00:40:27,270 You know, it's-- 1617 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:29,496 "I don't care where 1618 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:29,496 you've been. You're home." 1619 00:40:29,496 --> 00:40:31,398 - An investigator 1620 00:40:29,496 --> 00:40:31,398 met Nancy at the shelter. 1621 00:40:31,398 --> 00:40:33,566 He had a photo 1622 00:40:31,398 --> 00:40:33,566 of Cari with him. 1623 00:40:33,566 --> 00:40:36,736 - The investigator went into 1624 00:40:33,566 --> 00:40:36,736 the-the shelter 1625 00:40:36,736 --> 00:40:38,710 and showed the picture 1626 00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:40,507 and wanted to know if there had 1627 00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:40,507 been anybody there like her, 1628 00:40:40,507 --> 00:40:42,809 and they said 1629 00:40:40,507 --> 00:40:42,809 she hasn't been here. 1630 00:40:42,809 --> 00:40:43,610 - What's that like? 1631 00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:45,745 - Well, then, uh, you know, 1632 00:40:45,745 --> 00:40:48,314 then, your hopes 1633 00:40:45,745 --> 00:40:48,314 are dashed again. 1634 00:40:48,314 --> 00:40:51,851 You just think, 1635 00:40:48,314 --> 00:40:51,851 "Where can she be?" 1636 00:40:51,851 --> 00:40:53,687 - It's a feeling that 1637 00:40:51,851 --> 00:40:53,687 comes with realizing 1638 00:40:53,687 --> 00:40:55,989 you're on a wild goose chase. 1639 00:40:53,687 --> 00:40:55,989 - Yes, I went home, 1640 00:40:55,989 --> 00:40:59,893 and I thought, I can't 1641 00:40:55,989 --> 00:40:59,893 live with this anymore. 1642 00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:02,328 This is just too much. 1643 00:41:02,328 --> 00:41:04,831 - Again, Nancy 1644 00:41:02,328 --> 00:41:04,831 messaged Cari. 1645 00:41:08,802 --> 00:41:10,637 No response. 1646 00:41:10,637 --> 00:41:13,173 But then, a Facebook 1647 00:41:10,637 --> 00:41:13,173 post weeks later. 1648 00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:32,659 Then, there were 1649 00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:32,659 posts like this one. 1650 00:41:39,733 --> 00:41:41,634 Nancy had to wonder. 1651 00:41:41,634 --> 00:41:43,636 maybe it was 1652 00:41:41,634 --> 00:41:43,636 self-delusion, 1653 00:41:43,636 --> 00:41:46,873 but these messages just 1654 00:41:43,636 --> 00:41:46,873 didn't sound like Cari. 1655 00:41:46,873 --> 00:41:51,745 - Because my daughter 1656 00:41:46,873 --> 00:41:51,745 was so meticulous 1657 00:41:51,745 --> 00:41:54,881 about grammar and spelling. 1658 00:41:51,745 --> 00:41:54,881 - Yeah. 1659 00:41:54,881 --> 00:41:56,816 - And the way it sounded-- 1660 00:41:54,881 --> 00:41:56,816 - And this stuff 1661 00:41:56,816 --> 00:41:59,552 was like what? 1662 00:41:56,816 --> 00:41:59,552 - Oh, it was just garbage. 1663 00:41:59,552 --> 00:42:01,554 It was just-- 1664 00:41:59,552 --> 00:42:01,554 - Sort of chaotic. 1665 00:42:01,554 --> 00:42:03,556 - Yes. It was chaotic, 1666 00:42:01,554 --> 00:42:03,556 and it was just-- 1667 00:42:03,556 --> 00:42:05,525 The language that was used 1668 00:42:03,556 --> 00:42:05,525 and everything else, 1669 00:42:05,525 --> 00:42:07,794 Cari wouldn't have 1670 00:42:05,525 --> 00:42:07,794 used any kind of language. 1671 00:42:07,794 --> 00:42:08,962 It looked-- Definitely. 1672 00:42:08,962 --> 00:42:10,296 - Un-Unless she had become 1673 00:42:08,962 --> 00:42:10,296 a different sort of person. 1674 00:42:10,296 --> 00:42:11,664 - Right. Yeah. 1675 00:42:11,664 --> 00:42:13,867 So, I-- You know, 1676 00:42:11,664 --> 00:42:13,867 and that, too, 1677 00:42:13,867 --> 00:42:18,104 I'm thinking, 1678 00:42:13,867 --> 00:42:18,104 is this the case? 1679 00:42:18,104 --> 00:42:20,707 - Had her daughter 1680 00:42:18,104 --> 00:42:20,707 had a total breakdown? 1681 00:42:20,707 --> 00:42:23,143 Or what if Cari's 1682 00:42:20,707 --> 00:42:23,143 disappearance 1683 00:42:23,143 --> 00:42:25,845 was not what 1684 00:42:23,143 --> 00:42:25,845 it seemed to be? 1685 00:42:28,281 --> 00:42:31,518 - Dave buys another gun 1686 00:42:28,281 --> 00:42:31,518 that soon goes missing. 1687 00:42:31,518 --> 00:42:34,154 Could Cari be behind it? 1688 00:42:31,518 --> 00:42:34,154 - She's still active 1689 00:42:34,154 --> 00:42:36,356 and sending text messages, 1690 00:42:34,154 --> 00:42:36,356 sending pictures. 1691 00:42:36,356 --> 00:42:38,491 - Or maybe it 1692 00:42:36,356 --> 00:42:38,491 wasn't Cari at all. 1693 00:42:38,491 --> 00:42:40,527 Soon, police would be 1694 00:42:38,491 --> 00:42:40,527 investigating 1695 00:42:40,527 --> 00:42:42,595 a whole new suspect. 1696 00:42:42,696 --> 00:42:53,106 ** 1697 00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:56,509 - Welcome back to "Dateline: 1698 00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:56,509 Secrets Uncovered." 1699 00:42:56,509 --> 00:42:57,811 I'm Kate Snow. 1700 00:42:57,811 --> 00:43:00,460 Cari Farver had vanished. 1701 00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:02,615 Investigators suspected 1702 00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:02,615 the single mom 1703 00:43:02,615 --> 00:43:05,285 was waging a secret 1704 00:43:02,615 --> 00:43:05,285 campaign of terror 1705 00:43:05,285 --> 00:43:09,923 against her ex, Dave Kroupa 1706 00:43:05,285 --> 00:43:09,923 and his ex, Liz Golyar. 1707 00:43:09,923 --> 00:43:13,760 What started with taunting 1708 00:43:09,923 --> 00:43:13,760 texts had escalated to arson 1709 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,610 and death threats. 1710 00:43:15,610 --> 00:43:19,165 Now, events were about to take 1711 00:43:15,610 --> 00:43:19,165 an even more dangerous turn, 1712 00:43:19,165 --> 00:43:22,535 leaving one of the players in 1713 00:43:19,165 --> 00:43:22,535 this twisted lover's triangle 1714 00:43:22,535 --> 00:43:24,104 in grave jeopardy. 1715 00:43:24,104 --> 00:43:27,730 Here's Keith Morrison 1716 00:43:24,104 --> 00:43:27,730 with "Scorned." 1717 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:30,343 - Cari Farver's family was 1718 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:30,343 desperate for answers. 1719 00:43:30,343 --> 00:43:33,747 No one had seen or 1720 00:43:30,343 --> 00:43:33,747 spoken to her in months. 1721 00:43:33,747 --> 00:43:35,982 Yes, there were texts 1722 00:43:33,747 --> 00:43:35,982 and Facebook messages, 1723 00:43:35,982 --> 00:43:40,220 but somehow, they just 1724 00:43:35,982 --> 00:43:40,220 didn't sound like Cari, 1725 00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:43,423 at least not to her mother, 1726 00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:43,423 who was beginning to suspect 1727 00:43:43,423 --> 00:43:44,891 her daughter may have 1728 00:43:43,423 --> 00:43:44,891 been the victim 1729 00:43:44,891 --> 00:43:47,761 of some kind of crime. 1730 00:43:47,761 --> 00:43:49,662 What if Cari 1731 00:43:47,761 --> 00:43:49,662 was kidnapped? 1732 00:43:49,662 --> 00:43:52,165 What if someone 1733 00:43:49,662 --> 00:43:52,165 stole her identity? 1734 00:43:52,165 --> 00:43:53,967 She asked the 1735 00:43:52,165 --> 00:43:53,967 police about that. 1736 00:43:53,967 --> 00:43:55,502 What did they say? 1737 00:43:53,967 --> 00:43:55,502 - And they said, 1738 00:43:55,502 --> 00:43:57,270 "Yeah, we-- Well, 1739 00:43:55,502 --> 00:43:57,270 we'll check it out." 1740 00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:59,472 You know, that 1741 00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:59,472 kind of thing. 1742 00:43:59,472 --> 00:44:01,307 - Nothing came of it. 1743 00:44:01,307 --> 00:44:05,780 But after Cari's father 1744 00:44:01,307 --> 00:44:05,780 died, Nancy's ex-husband, 1745 00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:07,480 she had this 1746 00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:07,480 weird dream. 1747 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,185 - He came to me very vividly 1748 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,185 in the dream and said, um-- 1749 00:44:17,570 --> 00:44:20,600 He said, "Don't worry, Nancy. 1750 00:44:17,570 --> 00:44:20,600 She's with me." 1751 00:44:24,798 --> 00:44:29,502 I know that sounds silly, 1752 00:44:29,502 --> 00:44:33,273 but that's when 1753 00:44:29,502 --> 00:44:33,273 I knew that, uh-- 1754 00:44:36,176 --> 00:44:40,380 'Cause I knew she 1755 00:44:36,176 --> 00:44:40,380 wouldn't just vanish. 1756 00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:43,350 - Max was looking for 1757 00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:43,350 answers his own way. 1758 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:46,486 About a month after Nancy 1759 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:46,486 went to the shelter in Omaha, 1760 00:44:46,486 --> 00:44:49,889 Max sent his mom 1761 00:44:46,486 --> 00:44:49,889 a message on Facebook. 1762 00:44:49,889 --> 00:44:51,291 That was it. 1763 00:44:51,291 --> 00:44:54,940 And then, the next day, 1764 00:44:51,291 --> 00:44:54,940 Cari responded. 1765 00:44:57,263 --> 00:44:59,632 Max messaged back. 1766 00:45:01,701 --> 00:45:02,702 Things only 1767 00:45:01,701 --> 00:45:02,702 she would know. 1768 00:45:02,702 --> 00:45:04,704 - Yeah, yeah, things 1769 00:45:02,702 --> 00:45:04,704 only she would know. 1770 00:45:04,704 --> 00:45:06,439 - Max asked... 1771 00:45:17,684 --> 00:45:19,753 And what was her response? 1772 00:45:17,684 --> 00:45:19,753 - Nothing. 1773 00:45:19,753 --> 00:45:22,322 I-I never got a response 1774 00:45:19,753 --> 00:45:22,322 to that one. 1775 00:45:22,322 --> 00:45:23,823 - Which meant what? 1776 00:45:23,823 --> 00:45:26,559 Was that his 1777 00:45:23,823 --> 00:45:26,559 not-in-her-right-mind mom 1778 00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:28,728 or could his grandma 1779 00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:28,728 be right, 1780 00:45:28,728 --> 00:45:31,231 that someone had 1781 00:45:28,728 --> 00:45:31,231 kidnapped Cari? 1782 00:45:31,231 --> 00:45:33,233 No way of knowing, 1783 00:45:31,231 --> 00:45:33,233 really. 1784 00:45:33,233 --> 00:45:35,168 And the messages 1785 00:45:33,233 --> 00:45:35,168 kept coming. 1786 00:45:35,168 --> 00:45:37,370 Like this one, 1787 00:45:35,168 --> 00:45:37,370 for Cari's mom. 1788 00:45:47,747 --> 00:45:50,216 And then, the following 1789 00:45:47,747 --> 00:45:50,216 year, for Mother's Day-- 1790 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,256 Nancy, frustrated, 1791 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,256 replied... 1792 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,431 Cari never called. 1793 00:46:04,431 --> 00:46:09,350 For Nancy and Max, the anguish 1794 00:46:04,431 --> 00:46:09,350 of missing Cari never stopped. 1795 00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:11,204 And meanwhile, 1796 00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:11,204 all Dave Kroupa wanted 1797 00:46:11,204 --> 00:46:13,139 was to escape her. 1798 00:46:13,139 --> 00:46:14,641 In February 2015, 1799 00:46:14,641 --> 00:46:18,278 Dave moved from Omaha 1800 00:46:14,641 --> 00:46:18,278 to Council Bluffs, Iowa, 1801 00:46:18,278 --> 00:46:19,412 across the river. 1802 00:46:19,412 --> 00:46:22,115 His kids lived there 1803 00:46:19,412 --> 00:46:22,115 with Amy Flora, 1804 00:46:22,115 --> 00:46:25,218 and he wanted to spend 1805 00:46:22,115 --> 00:46:25,218 more time with them, 1806 00:46:25,218 --> 00:46:28,288 and he hoped Cari 1807 00:46:25,218 --> 00:46:28,288 wouldn't find him there. 1808 00:46:28,288 --> 00:46:30,957 He bought another gun, 1809 00:46:28,288 --> 00:46:30,957 just in case, 1810 00:46:30,957 --> 00:46:33,493 and after about three years 1811 00:46:30,957 --> 00:46:33,493 of relentless harassment, 1812 00:46:33,493 --> 00:46:36,396 things finally seemed 1813 00:46:33,493 --> 00:46:36,396 to be quieting down 1814 00:46:36,396 --> 00:46:37,864 for Liz and Dave. 1815 00:46:37,864 --> 00:46:39,733 There weren't as many 1816 00:46:37,864 --> 00:46:39,733 messages from Cari. 1817 00:46:39,733 --> 00:46:42,680 She seemed to 1818 00:46:39,733 --> 00:46:42,680 be fading away. 1819 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:43,336 And as that happened, 1820 00:46:43,336 --> 00:46:47,730 Liz and Dave saw each other 1821 00:46:43,336 --> 00:46:47,730 less and less, too. 1822 00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:50,777 There was just one 1823 00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:50,777 rather scary thing. 1824 00:46:50,777 --> 00:46:53,413 That gun Dave bought 1825 00:46:50,777 --> 00:46:53,413 for protection, 1826 00:46:53,413 --> 00:46:57,851 the one he kept hidden high 1827 00:46:53,413 --> 00:46:57,851 in a closet disappeared. 1828 00:46:57,851 --> 00:46:59,652 And you're the only 1829 00:46:57,851 --> 00:46:59,652 guy in that apartment? 1830 00:46:59,652 --> 00:47:01,287 - Right. I'm the only one 1831 00:46:59,652 --> 00:47:01,287 livin' there. 1832 00:47:01,287 --> 00:47:04,900 Now my mind's racin'. 1833 00:47:01,287 --> 00:47:04,900 There's no forced entry. 1834 00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:05,692 The doors are all 1835 00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:05,692 shut and locked. 1836 00:47:05,692 --> 00:47:08,862 The windows are shut. 1837 00:47:05,692 --> 00:47:08,862 - What did you think? 1838 00:47:08,862 --> 00:47:11,297 - I didn't know what 1839 00:47:08,862 --> 00:47:11,297 the hell to think. 1840 00:47:11,297 --> 00:47:13,900 - Meanwhile, in 1841 00:47:11,297 --> 00:47:13,900 Pottawattamie County, Iowa, 1842 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:15,602 where Cari Farver lived 1843 00:47:15,602 --> 00:47:19,506 before she became a mysterious 1844 00:47:15,602 --> 00:47:19,506 and dangerous digital persona, 1845 00:47:19,506 --> 00:47:22,442 her disappearance was 1846 00:47:19,506 --> 00:47:22,442 more office chatter 1847 00:47:22,442 --> 00:47:23,943 than active case. 1848 00:47:23,943 --> 00:47:26,790 That's when the Detective 1849 00:47:23,943 --> 00:47:26,790 Sergeant Jim Doty 1850 00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:29,315 and Corporal Ryan Avis 1851 00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:29,315 got hooked on it. 1852 00:47:29,315 --> 00:47:30,817 - We'd heard some stuff, 1853 00:47:29,315 --> 00:47:30,817 you know, 1854 00:47:30,817 --> 00:47:33,530 just, you know, 1855 00:47:30,817 --> 00:47:33,530 water cooler talk, 1856 00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:34,120 I guess, 1857 00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:34,120 about the case. 1858 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,889 And, uh, it was 1859 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,889 somethin' that-- 1860 00:47:35,889 --> 00:47:36,890 - Somethin' about this 1861 00:47:35,889 --> 00:47:36,890 strange, crazy woman. 1862 00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:38,124 - Yeah. 1863 00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:38,124 - It-It-It piqued our--- 1864 00:47:38,124 --> 00:47:39,359 - It was interesting. 1865 00:47:38,124 --> 00:47:39,359 - It piqued our interest, 1866 00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:43,430 and so we requested 1867 00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:43,430 to take a look at it. 1868 00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:45,865 - That was April, 2015, 1869 00:47:45,865 --> 00:47:49,803 more than two years after 1870 00:47:45,865 --> 00:47:49,803 Cari's reign of terror began. 1871 00:47:49,803 --> 00:47:51,838 The file was 1872 00:47:49,803 --> 00:47:51,838 huge by then, 1873 00:47:51,838 --> 00:47:55,241 a bizarre digital 1874 00:47:51,838 --> 00:47:55,241 house of mirrors. 1875 00:47:55,241 --> 00:47:58,545 And so, Doty and Avis 1876 00:47:55,241 --> 00:47:58,545 decided to sort things out, 1877 00:47:58,545 --> 00:48:00,847 beginning with 1878 00:47:58,545 --> 00:48:00,847 a very simple question 1879 00:48:00,847 --> 00:48:03,160 police had never 1880 00:48:00,847 --> 00:48:03,160 really considered before, 1881 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,252 though her family 1882 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,252 certainly had. 1883 00:48:06,252 --> 00:48:07,287 Was Cari Farver 1884 00:48:07,287 --> 00:48:10,857 really the vengeful woman 1885 00:48:07,287 --> 00:48:10,857 she seemed to be, 1886 00:48:10,857 --> 00:48:14,494 or did she even exist? 1887 00:48:14,494 --> 00:48:16,629 - Thought the smart idea was 1888 00:48:14,494 --> 00:48:16,629 not to have tunnel vision 1889 00:48:16,629 --> 00:48:18,198 on any direction. 1890 00:48:18,198 --> 00:48:21,468 So Ryan worked it as 1891 00:48:18,198 --> 00:48:21,468 if Cari's still alive, 1892 00:48:21,468 --> 00:48:24,404 and he was gonna work it 1893 00:48:21,468 --> 00:48:24,404 until he came to a dead end. 1894 00:48:24,404 --> 00:48:26,806 I was gonna work it 1895 00:48:24,404 --> 00:48:26,806 like she was not alive, 1896 00:48:26,806 --> 00:48:29,376 uh, because there's-there's 1897 00:48:26,806 --> 00:48:29,376 things that lead us 1898 00:48:29,376 --> 00:48:30,944 to maybe both conclusions. 1899 00:48:30,944 --> 00:48:33,460 You know, she's still active 1900 00:48:30,944 --> 00:48:33,460 and sending text messages, 1901 00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:34,681 sending pictures. 1902 00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:34,681 - She certainly seemed alive. 1903 00:48:34,681 --> 00:48:35,782 - So, maybe she's alive, 1904 00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:38,251 but she's also missed so 1905 00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:38,251 many significant events 1906 00:48:38,251 --> 00:48:40,754 and hadn't physically 1907 00:48:38,251 --> 00:48:40,754 been seen by anybody. 1908 00:48:40,754 --> 00:48:43,323 - And we started from scratch. 1909 00:48:40,754 --> 00:48:43,323 Started readin'. 1910 00:48:43,323 --> 00:48:45,580 - Reviewing all 1911 00:48:43,323 --> 00:48:45,580 the old material. 1912 00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:46,760 - Mm-hmm. 1913 00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:46,760 - Callin'. 1914 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:47,827 - Reading all the reports. 1915 00:48:47,827 --> 00:48:49,929 Lookin' through those 1916 00:48:47,827 --> 00:48:49,929 phone downloads. 1917 00:48:49,929 --> 00:48:52,599 Uh, listenin' to any interviews 1918 00:48:49,929 --> 00:48:52,599 that had been recorded. 1919 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,701 Just divin' in. 1920 00:48:54,701 --> 00:48:57,203 - Of course, they 1921 00:48:54,701 --> 00:48:57,203 spoke to Dave Kroupa. 1922 00:48:57,203 --> 00:49:01,408 No doubt in his mind 1923 00:48:57,203 --> 00:49:01,408 Cari was alive and crazy. 1924 00:49:01,408 --> 00:49:02,776 - He was, uh, transparent. 1925 00:49:02,776 --> 00:49:05,412 He gave us access to his 1926 00:49:02,776 --> 00:49:05,412 whole email account. 1927 00:49:05,412 --> 00:49:09,349 - 11,000 emails that he 1928 00:49:05,412 --> 00:49:09,349 had saved over the years. 1929 00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:11,170 Could be more. 1930 00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:11,170 - Wow. 1931 00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:12,852 But that wasn't 1932 00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:12,852 all they had. 1933 00:49:12,852 --> 00:49:15,889 Right there in the file was 1934 00:49:12,852 --> 00:49:15,889 a wholesale dump of material 1935 00:49:15,889 --> 00:49:18,240 from Liz Golyar's 1936 00:49:15,889 --> 00:49:18,240 cell phone. 1937 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,328 So they were learning a lot 1938 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,328 about both Dave and Liz. 1939 00:49:22,328 --> 00:49:24,164 They'd been immersed 1940 00:49:22,328 --> 00:49:24,164 in all that for months, 1941 00:49:24,164 --> 00:49:26,433 but hadn't interviewed 1942 00:49:24,164 --> 00:49:26,433 Liz yet, 1943 00:49:26,433 --> 00:49:30,503 when in the office one day-- 1944 00:49:26,433 --> 00:49:30,503 pure coincidence. 1945 00:49:30,503 --> 00:49:32,806 - I was in the hallway, 1946 00:49:32,806 --> 00:49:34,441 uh, talking with 1947 00:49:32,806 --> 00:49:34,441 a county attorney, 1948 00:49:34,441 --> 00:49:37,110 and another investigator 1949 00:49:34,441 --> 00:49:37,110 was walking down the hall 1950 00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:40,413 with Liz to his office. 1951 00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:40,413 - Wow. 1952 00:49:40,413 --> 00:49:43,490 - And it-- To me, it was 1953 00:49:40,413 --> 00:49:43,490 like I saw a famous person, 1954 00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:45,685 because I knew 1955 00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:45,685 everything about her. 1956 00:49:45,685 --> 00:49:48,621 And she was there to 1957 00:49:45,685 --> 00:49:48,621 file a harassment report. 1958 00:49:48,621 --> 00:49:50,657 - But this was odd. 1959 00:49:50,657 --> 00:49:53,393 Her complaint 1960 00:49:50,657 --> 00:49:53,393 wasn't against Cari. 1961 00:49:53,393 --> 00:49:58,365 It was someone else. 1962 00:49:53,393 --> 00:49:58,365 - Amy Flora? 1963 00:49:58,365 --> 00:50:01,601 That's, uh, the mother 1964 00:49:58,365 --> 00:50:01,601 of Dave's children. 1965 00:50:01,601 --> 00:50:05,572 - Wait. Amy? 1966 00:50:01,601 --> 00:50:05,572 Not Cari? 1967 00:50:05,572 --> 00:50:09,275 First, Detective Avis did a 1968 00:50:05,572 --> 00:50:09,275 kind of psychic double take, 1969 00:50:09,275 --> 00:50:11,440 and then, he asked if 1970 00:50:09,275 --> 00:50:11,440 he could be the one 1971 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,946 to interview Liz. 1972 00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:25,759 Liz told Detective Avis 1973 00:50:25,759 --> 00:50:28,161 that her on again/off again 1974 00:50:25,759 --> 00:50:28,161 relationship with Dave 1975 00:50:28,161 --> 00:50:29,696 was off again, 1976 00:50:29,696 --> 00:50:31,898 but ever since their most 1977 00:50:29,696 --> 00:50:31,898 recent split, 1978 00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:36,236 Dave's ex Amy had been 1979 00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:36,236 stalking her on Facebook, 1980 00:50:36,236 --> 00:50:38,938 and she was very worried 1981 00:50:36,236 --> 00:50:38,938 because... 1982 00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:51,151 And that, said Liz, 1983 00:50:51,151 --> 00:50:53,319 is when she suddenly 1984 00:50:51,151 --> 00:50:53,319 realized that she and Dave 1985 00:50:53,319 --> 00:50:55,488 had been played for fools. 1986 00:50:55,488 --> 00:50:56,589 For three years, 1987 00:50:56,589 --> 00:50:58,291 she'd believed Cari 1988 00:50:56,589 --> 00:50:58,291 was the woman 1989 00:50:58,291 --> 00:50:59,959 behind all the threatening 1990 00:50:58,291 --> 00:50:59,959 messages, 1991 00:50:59,959 --> 00:51:01,227 the harassing graffiti, 1992 00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:03,963 the deadly fire that 1993 00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:03,963 killed her pets. 1994 00:51:03,963 --> 00:51:06,800 But suddenly, it was like 1995 00:51:03,963 --> 00:51:06,800 a light went on, said Liz. 1996 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,690 It wasn't Cari at all. 1997 00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:11,304 That scary, awful 1998 00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:11,304 online villainess, 1999 00:51:11,304 --> 00:51:14,107 the woman responsible 2000 00:51:11,304 --> 00:51:14,107 for all the trouble 2001 00:51:14,107 --> 00:51:17,811 had to be Amy Flora, 2002 00:51:14,107 --> 00:51:17,811 Dave's ex, 2003 00:51:17,811 --> 00:51:20,213 the mother 2004 00:51:17,811 --> 00:51:20,213 of his children. 2005 00:51:20,213 --> 00:51:22,215 Diabolical. 2006 00:51:22,215 --> 00:51:23,983 But think about it, 2007 00:51:22,215 --> 00:51:23,983 said Liz. 2008 00:51:23,983 --> 00:51:26,820 Amy was the one who so 2009 00:51:23,983 --> 00:51:26,820 desperately wanted Dave. 2010 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:28,955 She had the motive. 2011 00:51:28,955 --> 00:51:31,858 But Cari? 2012 00:51:28,955 --> 00:51:31,858 Not really. 2013 00:51:55,281 --> 00:51:56,683 Head spinning, 2014 00:51:56,683 --> 00:51:58,852 Detective Avis 2015 00:51:56,683 --> 00:51:58,852 made some notes, 2016 00:51:58,852 --> 00:52:01,521 told Liz he'd do what he 2017 00:51:58,852 --> 00:52:01,521 could to help her out, 2018 00:52:01,521 --> 00:52:04,858 and no surprise, the very 2019 00:52:01,521 --> 00:52:04,858 next evening, December 5th, 2020 00:52:04,858 --> 00:52:08,595 Liz felt like she needed 2021 00:52:04,858 --> 00:52:08,595 some time alone to think. 2022 00:52:08,595 --> 00:52:10,960 She drove out to 2023 00:52:08,595 --> 00:52:10,960 Big Lake Park, 2024 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,265 took a walk along 2025 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,265 the trail there, 2026 00:52:12,265 --> 00:52:15,869 sat down on a bench-- 2027 00:52:12,265 --> 00:52:15,869 quiet, alone, 2028 00:52:15,869 --> 00:52:18,972 in the gathering 2029 00:52:15,869 --> 00:52:18,972 cold and dark. 2030 00:52:18,972 --> 00:52:20,774 And that's when 2031 00:52:18,972 --> 00:52:20,774 it happened. 2032 00:52:20,774 --> 00:52:22,409 The deafening bark 2033 00:52:20,774 --> 00:52:22,409 of a gun 2034 00:52:22,409 --> 00:52:24,944 and the pain tearing 2035 00:52:22,409 --> 00:52:24,944 through her thigh. 2036 00:52:30,617 --> 00:52:32,152 - A shooter on the loose, 2037 00:52:32,152 --> 00:52:33,687 and the prime suspect? 2038 00:52:33,687 --> 00:52:35,755 - All I heard was, 2039 00:52:33,687 --> 00:52:35,755 "Open up. Police." 2040 00:52:35,755 --> 00:52:38,525 And two officers 2041 00:52:35,755 --> 00:52:38,525 with guns drawn-- 2042 00:52:38,525 --> 00:52:40,593 - Pointing at you? 2043 00:52:38,525 --> 00:52:40,593 - Yes. 2044 00:52:40,694 --> 00:52:51,404 ** 2045 00:53:01,470 --> 00:53:02,949 - It was dark when 2046 00:53:01,470 --> 00:53:02,949 the Council Bluffs PD 2047 00:53:02,949 --> 00:53:04,951 roared out to 2048 00:53:02,949 --> 00:53:04,951 Big Lake Park, 2049 00:53:04,951 --> 00:53:07,587 found a wounded and 2050 00:53:04,951 --> 00:53:07,587 bleeding Liz Golyar, 2051 00:53:07,587 --> 00:53:09,723 packed her off 2052 00:53:07,587 --> 00:53:09,723 to the hospital 2053 00:53:09,723 --> 00:53:11,791 while the chopper 2054 00:53:09,723 --> 00:53:11,791 trained down a searchlight 2055 00:53:11,791 --> 00:53:13,593 and ground-based cops 2056 00:53:13,593 --> 00:53:15,929 scoured the 2057 00:53:13,593 --> 00:53:15,929 paths and bushes. 2058 00:53:15,929 --> 00:53:18,531 So somebody on the 2059 00:53:15,929 --> 00:53:18,531 park on foot and what? 2060 00:53:18,531 --> 00:53:21,234 Armed and dangerous? 2061 00:53:18,531 --> 00:53:21,234 - Yes. 2062 00:53:21,234 --> 00:53:23,436 - While other cops searched 2063 00:53:21,234 --> 00:53:23,436 for the shooter, 2064 00:53:23,436 --> 00:53:26,673 Detective Matthew Kuhlmann 2065 00:53:23,436 --> 00:53:26,673 checked on Liz at the hospital. 2066 00:53:26,673 --> 00:53:28,408 - You could tell that she-- 2067 00:53:26,673 --> 00:53:28,408 you know, she was in pain. 2068 00:53:28,408 --> 00:53:31,811 - Yeah. I imagine. 2069 00:53:28,408 --> 00:53:31,811 - Obvious wound to her leg. 2070 00:53:31,811 --> 00:53:33,279 - But Liz was lucky. 2071 00:53:33,279 --> 00:53:35,482 The bullet went clean 2072 00:53:33,279 --> 00:53:35,482 through her leg, 2073 00:53:35,482 --> 00:53:37,830 missed bones 2074 00:53:35,482 --> 00:53:37,830 and arteries. 2075 00:53:37,830 --> 00:53:39,219 It could've been 2076 00:53:37,830 --> 00:53:39,219 much worse. 2077 00:53:39,219 --> 00:53:41,554 She told the detective 2078 00:53:39,219 --> 00:53:41,554 what happened. 2079 00:53:41,554 --> 00:53:43,823 - She says she, uh, came out 2080 00:53:41,554 --> 00:53:43,823 here to clear her mind 2081 00:53:43,823 --> 00:53:46,593 and she walked out to 2082 00:53:43,823 --> 00:53:46,593 a bench and sat down. 2083 00:53:46,593 --> 00:53:50,397 And then, a female who she 2084 00:53:46,593 --> 00:53:50,397 believed to be Amy Flora-- 2085 00:53:50,397 --> 00:53:51,965 - Uh-huh. 2086 00:53:50,397 --> 00:53:51,965 - Came up behind her, 2087 00:53:51,965 --> 00:53:53,266 stuck a gun to her back, 2088 00:53:53,266 --> 00:53:54,501 told her to get 2089 00:53:53,266 --> 00:53:54,501 on the ground, 2090 00:53:54,501 --> 00:53:55,969 and then shot her 2091 00:53:54,501 --> 00:53:55,969 in the leg, 2092 00:53:55,969 --> 00:53:59,105 and then ran off. 2093 00:53:55,969 --> 00:53:59,105 - A few minutes later, 2094 00:53:59,105 --> 00:54:02,750 a city police task force 2095 00:53:59,105 --> 00:54:02,750 surrounded Amy's apartment. 2096 00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:04,277 - And I'd kinda seen 2097 00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:04,277 somebody lean against my, 2098 00:54:04,277 --> 00:54:09,490 um, building and I 2099 00:54:04,277 --> 00:54:09,490 said, "Who's there?" 2100 00:54:09,490 --> 00:54:12,520 And all I heard 2101 00:54:09,490 --> 00:54:12,520 was, "Open up. Police." 2102 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,353 So I opened the door, 2103 00:54:13,353 --> 00:54:17,424 and they had two officers 2104 00:54:13,353 --> 00:54:17,424 with guns drawn. 2105 00:54:17,424 --> 00:54:20,600 - Pointing at you? 2106 00:54:17,424 --> 00:54:20,600 - Yes. Yeah. 2107 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:21,461 - What did they say to you? 2108 00:54:21,461 --> 00:54:26,660 - Um, they had said that 2109 00:54:21,461 --> 00:54:26,660 I was accused of shooting Liz. 2110 00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:27,901 - They searched 2111 00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:27,901 her home, 2112 00:54:27,901 --> 00:54:30,700 and later, sat her down 2113 00:54:27,901 --> 00:54:30,700 in an interview room 2114 00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:32,572 and hooked her up to a 2115 00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:32,572 polygraph machine, 2116 00:54:32,572 --> 00:54:35,775 asked her questions like 2117 00:54:32,572 --> 00:54:35,775 this one, among others. 2118 00:54:35,775 --> 00:54:37,410 Did you go to 2119 00:54:35,775 --> 00:54:37,410 Big Lakes Park that day? 2120 00:54:37,410 --> 00:54:38,812 - Um, no. 2121 00:54:38,812 --> 00:54:43,216 - Amy also denied that she 2122 00:54:38,812 --> 00:54:43,216 shot Liz, again and again. 2123 00:54:43,216 --> 00:54:46,720 But she failed 2124 00:54:43,216 --> 00:54:46,720 the polygraph. 2125 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,890 Still, something 2126 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,890 didn't add up. 2127 00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:51,358 When that local detective 2128 00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:51,358 arrived at Amy's place 2129 00:54:51,358 --> 00:54:54,694 right after the shooting, 2130 00:54:51,358 --> 00:54:54,694 he felt the hood of her car. 2131 00:54:54,694 --> 00:54:56,960 Ice cold. 2132 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,980 Hadn't been driven 2133 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,980 for a while. 2134 00:54:58,980 --> 00:55:02,350 And the neighbor said Amy 2135 00:54:58,980 --> 00:55:02,350 was home all afternoon. 2136 00:55:02,350 --> 00:55:06,639 So was Amy so nervous 2137 00:55:02,350 --> 00:55:06,639 she blew the polygraph, 2138 00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:09,420 or was something else 2139 00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:09,420 going on? 2140 00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:11,878 Detective Avis went to see 2141 00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:11,878 Liz at the hospital, 2142 00:55:11,878 --> 00:55:14,481 his recorder rolling. 2143 00:55:26,259 --> 00:55:28,461 Seemed like the 2144 00:55:26,259 --> 00:55:28,461 friendly cop. 2145 00:55:28,461 --> 00:55:29,562 - Or the dumb one. 2146 00:55:29,562 --> 00:55:31,640 I'll be whatever 2147 00:55:29,562 --> 00:55:31,640 she wanted, 2148 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,767 as long as she kept 2149 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,767 tellin' us information. 2150 00:55:33,767 --> 00:55:35,135 - Wait, what? 2151 00:55:35,135 --> 00:55:38,138 Avis was playing dumb, 2152 00:55:35,135 --> 00:55:38,138 he said, 2153 00:55:38,138 --> 00:55:39,906 to pump Liz 2154 00:55:38,138 --> 00:55:39,906 for information, 2155 00:55:39,906 --> 00:55:42,442 because he and his partner 2156 00:55:39,906 --> 00:55:42,442 had a strong suspicion 2157 00:55:42,442 --> 00:55:44,978 about who 2158 00:55:42,442 --> 00:55:44,978 really shot her. 2159 00:55:44,978 --> 00:55:49,182 A truly shocking idea. 2160 00:55:44,978 --> 00:55:49,182 Something beyond devious. 2161 00:55:49,182 --> 00:55:51,785 - She shot herself, 2162 00:55:49,182 --> 00:55:51,785 is what I thought. 2163 00:55:51,785 --> 00:55:54,870 - Liz shot herself? 2164 00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:56,322 That sounded crazy. 2165 00:55:56,322 --> 00:55:59,426 Or maybe a certain 2166 00:55:56,322 --> 00:55:59,426 kind of crazy. 2167 00:55:59,426 --> 00:56:02,280 Remember, to help 2168 00:55:59,426 --> 00:56:02,280 catch Cari Farver, 2169 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,798 Liz had given the police 2170 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,798 her cellphone, 2171 00:56:04,798 --> 00:56:06,866 and here's what 2172 00:56:04,798 --> 00:56:06,866 Detectives Doty and Avis 2173 00:56:06,866 --> 00:56:09,569 found on that phone-- 2174 00:56:09,569 --> 00:56:13,239 A photo of 2175 00:56:09,569 --> 00:56:13,239 Cari Farver's SUV, 2176 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,509 which didn't make 2177 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,509 any sense at all because-- 2178 00:56:16,509 --> 00:56:18,478 - We looked at the date 2179 00:56:16,509 --> 00:56:18,478 that was taken, 2180 00:56:18,478 --> 00:56:21,314 and it was taken on 2181 00:56:18,478 --> 00:56:21,314 Christmas Eve of 2012. 2182 00:56:21,314 --> 00:56:23,450 - Wasn't that when her 2183 00:56:21,314 --> 00:56:23,450 car was actually missing? 2184 00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:26,953 - Yeah, it hadn't been recovered 2185 00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:26,953 'til January of 2013. 2186 00:56:26,953 --> 00:56:28,488 - Mm-hmm. 2187 00:56:26,953 --> 00:56:28,488 - So we thought, 2188 00:56:28,488 --> 00:56:31,324 that's-that's weird that 2189 00:56:28,488 --> 00:56:31,324 the police couldn't find it. 2190 00:56:31,324 --> 00:56:32,892 Dave didn't know 2191 00:56:31,324 --> 00:56:32,892 where it was. 2192 00:56:32,892 --> 00:56:37,197 But somehow, Liz was able 2193 00:56:32,892 --> 00:56:37,197 to take a picture of it. 2194 00:56:37,197 --> 00:56:38,898 - But that wasn't all. 2195 00:56:38,898 --> 00:56:42,235 Remember that threatening 2196 00:56:38,898 --> 00:56:42,235 photo Cari emailed to Dave 2197 00:56:42,235 --> 00:56:45,505 of a woman bound 2198 00:56:42,235 --> 00:56:45,505 and duct taped? 2199 00:56:45,505 --> 00:56:49,709 That photo was 2200 00:56:45,505 --> 00:56:49,709 linked back to Liz, 2201 00:56:49,709 --> 00:56:51,277 which made them wonder, 2202 00:56:51,277 --> 00:56:54,447 was it possible those wild 2203 00:56:51,277 --> 00:56:54,447 and scary electronic messages 2204 00:56:54,447 --> 00:56:59,919 all sent in Cari's name 2205 00:56:54,447 --> 00:56:59,919 were really sent by Liz? 2206 00:56:59,919 --> 00:57:01,755 Tricky, even for 2207 00:56:59,919 --> 00:57:01,755 a computer whiz 2208 00:57:01,755 --> 00:57:04,424 to nail that bit of Jell-O 2209 00:57:01,755 --> 00:57:04,424 to the wall. 2210 00:57:04,424 --> 00:57:07,260 - It's beyond our expertise, 2211 00:57:04,424 --> 00:57:07,260 and that's what we-- 2212 00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:08,728 - Well, I was gonna say. 2213 00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:08,728 How-How well do you know 2214 00:57:08,728 --> 00:57:11,264 computers and social media 2215 00:57:08,728 --> 00:57:11,264 and all of that nonsense? 2216 00:57:11,264 --> 00:57:14,534 - We know how to pick up 2217 00:57:11,264 --> 00:57:14,534 a phone and call Tony Kava 2218 00:57:14,534 --> 00:57:17,537 and tell him that he's got a 2219 00:57:14,534 --> 00:57:17,537 lot of information to look at. 2220 00:57:17,537 --> 00:57:20,473 - Tony Kava? Who's he? 2221 00:57:20,473 --> 00:57:23,476 Your cave. 2222 00:57:20,473 --> 00:57:23,476 - By day, I do IT work, 2223 00:57:23,476 --> 00:57:26,880 and I've done that, 2224 00:57:23,476 --> 00:57:26,880 um, for about 15 years, 2225 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,449 and then, uh, by 2226 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,449 night, I fight crime, so... 2227 00:57:29,449 --> 00:57:31,584 [laughter] 2228 00:57:31,584 --> 00:57:33,553 - You sound 2229 00:57:31,584 --> 00:57:33,553 like a superhero! 2230 00:57:33,553 --> 00:57:36,723 Anthony Kava's day job 2231 00:57:33,553 --> 00:57:36,723 was IT supervisor 2232 00:57:36,723 --> 00:57:38,758 for Pottawattamie County. 2233 00:57:38,758 --> 00:57:41,528 But at night, 2234 00:57:38,758 --> 00:57:41,528 for a dollar a year, 2235 00:57:41,528 --> 00:57:44,640 he's a reserve 2236 00:57:41,528 --> 00:57:44,640 sheriff's deputy. 2237 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,965 I mean, how much stuff did 2238 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,965 you have to go through? 2239 00:57:45,965 --> 00:57:48,868 - It was, um, it was terabytes 2240 00:57:45,965 --> 00:57:48,868 worth of information. 2241 00:57:48,868 --> 00:57:51,204 Uh, maybe about 2242 00:57:48,868 --> 00:57:51,204 three dozen email accounts, 2243 00:57:51,204 --> 00:57:53,173 a dozen Facebook accounts, 2244 00:57:53,173 --> 00:57:55,642 and a number 2245 00:57:53,173 --> 00:57:55,642 of different apps. 2246 00:57:55,642 --> 00:57:59,312 - And in his tiny office, 2247 00:57:55,642 --> 00:57:59,312 Kava sat hour after hour, 2248 00:57:59,312 --> 00:58:00,580 late into the night, 2249 00:58:00,580 --> 00:58:03,683 deciphering enormous amounts 2250 00:58:00,580 --> 00:58:03,683 of digital data. 2251 00:58:03,683 --> 00:58:05,752 - It might take her five minutes 2252 00:58:03,683 --> 00:58:05,752 to create a fake email account. 2253 00:58:05,752 --> 00:58:07,454 It might take me, 2254 00:58:05,752 --> 00:58:07,454 you know, 15 hours 2255 00:58:07,454 --> 00:58:09,622 to prove that 2256 00:58:07,454 --> 00:58:09,622 it's actually her. 2257 00:58:09,622 --> 00:58:13,226 - Among those many accounts 2258 00:58:09,622 --> 00:58:13,226 was a YouTube account 2259 00:58:13,226 --> 00:58:15,462 with this video. 2260 00:58:15,462 --> 00:58:18,531 - The title of the video is 2261 00:58:15,462 --> 00:58:18,531 "Husband's Cheating Place," 2262 00:58:18,531 --> 00:58:22,602 and that video showed the 2263 00:58:18,531 --> 00:58:22,602 apartment of Dave Kroupa. 2264 00:58:22,602 --> 00:58:25,905 - But the IP address where 2265 00:58:22,602 --> 00:58:25,905 that video was uploaded 2266 00:58:25,905 --> 00:58:28,410 was where Liz lived. 2267 00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:30,744 - So, again, it was another 2268 00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:30,744 arrow pointing at Liz. 2269 00:58:30,744 --> 00:58:32,912 - Painstakingly, 2270 00:58:30,744 --> 00:58:32,912 arrow by arrow, 2271 00:58:32,912 --> 00:58:35,882 Anthony Kava 2272 00:58:32,912 --> 00:58:35,882 compiled the evidence. 2273 00:58:35,882 --> 00:58:37,550 His conclusion? 2274 00:58:37,550 --> 00:58:40,286 Every one of those 2275 00:58:37,550 --> 00:58:40,286 threatening emails and texts 2276 00:58:40,286 --> 00:58:43,456 and Facebook posts 2277 00:58:40,286 --> 00:58:43,456 and YouTube videos 2278 00:58:43,456 --> 00:58:46,760 linked right back 2279 00:58:43,456 --> 00:58:46,760 to Liz Golyar. 2280 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,262 Meanwhile, Detectives Doty 2281 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,262 and Avis busied themselves 2282 00:58:49,262 --> 00:58:52,165 with good old fashioned 2283 00:58:49,262 --> 00:58:52,165 earth-bound evidence. 2284 00:58:52,165 --> 00:58:54,567 Remember that one 2285 00:58:52,165 --> 00:58:54,567 unidentified fingerprint 2286 00:58:54,567 --> 00:58:56,236 found on a mint container 2287 00:58:56,236 --> 00:58:58,805 in Cari's otherwise 2288 00:58:56,236 --> 00:58:58,805 spotless SUV? 2289 00:58:58,805 --> 00:59:00,407 - And we asked our, uh, 2290 00:58:58,805 --> 00:59:00,407 crime scene tech, 2291 00:59:00,407 --> 00:59:03,276 "Hey, could you compare 2292 00:59:00,407 --> 00:59:03,276 that fingerprint 2293 00:59:03,276 --> 00:59:04,878 "to the known prints 2294 00:59:03,276 --> 00:59:04,878 of Liz? 2295 00:59:04,878 --> 00:59:09,482 "See what you come up with." 2296 00:59:04,878 --> 00:59:09,482 - It was a match. 2297 00:59:09,482 --> 00:59:12,218 - This lady who should've 2298 00:59:09,482 --> 00:59:12,218 had very little interaction 2299 00:59:12,218 --> 00:59:13,553 with Cari shouldn't-- 2300 00:59:13,553 --> 00:59:15,889 had no reason to ever 2301 00:59:13,553 --> 00:59:15,889 be in her vehicle. 2302 00:59:15,889 --> 00:59:17,824 - Only met her in passing... 2303 00:59:15,889 --> 00:59:17,824 - Yeah? 2304 00:59:17,824 --> 00:59:22,429 - ...one time, but now her 2305 00:59:17,824 --> 00:59:22,429 fingerprint is in her car. 2306 00:59:22,429 --> 00:59:24,531 - Liz in Cari's SUV. 2307 00:59:24,531 --> 00:59:27,500 Liz impersonating 2308 00:59:24,531 --> 00:59:27,500 Cari online. 2309 00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:31,571 There was no logical 2310 00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:31,571 explanation for it unless... 2311 00:59:31,571 --> 00:59:33,673 - We think Liz may 2312 00:59:31,571 --> 00:59:33,673 have been involved 2313 00:59:33,673 --> 00:59:36,509 with making 2314 00:59:33,673 --> 00:59:36,509 Cari disappear. 2315 00:59:36,509 --> 00:59:40,180 - A case about to dive right 2316 00:59:36,509 --> 00:59:40,180 through the looking glass. 2317 00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:42,820 And on the other side? 2318 00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:45,385 [scoffs] 2319 00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:45,385 Hard to believe. 2320 00:59:45,385 --> 00:59:47,821 - A seismic shift 2321 00:59:45,385 --> 00:59:47,821 in the investigation. 2322 00:59:47,821 --> 00:59:51,124 Can detectives turn the 2323 00:59:47,821 --> 00:59:51,124 tables on their new suspect 2324 00:59:51,124 --> 00:59:53,426 and beat her at 2325 00:59:51,124 --> 00:59:53,426 her own game? 2326 00:59:55,610 --> 00:59:57,464 - Why else would you 2327 00:59:55,610 --> 00:59:57,464 disguise yourself as Cari 2328 00:59:57,464 --> 00:59:59,265 if you weren't 2329 00:59:57,464 --> 00:59:59,265 responsible for it? 2330 00:59:59,265 --> 01:00:01,601 - What had really 2331 00:59:59,265 --> 01:00:01,601 happened to Cari? 2332 01:00:01,601 --> 01:00:03,470 Police hatch 2333 01:00:01,601 --> 01:00:03,470 a bold new plan 2334 01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:05,905 to finally get to 2335 01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:05,905 the bottom of it all. 2336 01:00:05,905 --> 01:00:06,906 - I'm Investigator Doty. 2337 01:00:06,906 --> 01:00:08,908 I work here for the 2338 01:00:06,906 --> 01:00:08,908 Sheriff's Office. 2339 01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:20,120 ** 2340 01:00:21,870 --> 01:00:23,456 - By the time these two 2341 01:00:21,870 --> 01:00:23,456 county detectives started 2342 01:00:23,456 --> 01:00:26,393 looking into the strange 2343 01:00:23,456 --> 01:00:26,393 case of Cari Farver 2344 01:00:26,393 --> 01:00:30,296 and all those jealousy-fueled 2345 01:00:26,393 --> 01:00:30,296 texts and emails and threats 2346 01:00:30,296 --> 01:00:33,833 and arson, Cari's son Max 2347 01:00:30,296 --> 01:00:33,833 was getting ready for 2348 01:00:33,833 --> 01:00:35,669 high school graduation. 2349 01:00:35,669 --> 01:00:38,672 He hadn't seen his mom 2350 01:00:35,669 --> 01:00:38,672 in three years. 2351 01:00:38,672 --> 01:00:42,642 But always the optimist, 2352 01:00:38,672 --> 01:00:42,642 he decided to try one more time 2353 01:00:42,642 --> 01:00:44,678 to reach her 2354 01:00:42,642 --> 01:00:44,678 on Facebook. 2355 01:00:44,678 --> 01:00:48,782 - I was-- At that point, it was 2356 01:00:44,678 --> 01:00:48,782 just a last-ditch effort 2357 01:00:48,782 --> 01:00:51,170 just hoping something 2358 01:00:48,782 --> 01:00:51,170 would happen. 2359 01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:59,392 - When she didn't respond, 2360 01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:59,392 how did that feel? 2361 01:00:59,392 --> 01:01:01,695 - It-- I-I wasn't 2362 01:00:59,392 --> 01:01:01,695 really surprised 2363 01:01:01,695 --> 01:01:05,365 'cause, like I said, 2364 01:01:01,695 --> 01:01:05,365 I knew it wasn't her. 2365 01:01:05,365 --> 01:01:07,767 - Max and Nancy had 2366 01:01:05,365 --> 01:01:07,767 suspected for months 2367 01:01:07,767 --> 01:01:12,505 that all those digital rants 2368 01:01:07,767 --> 01:01:12,505 were not actually from Cari. 2369 01:01:12,505 --> 01:01:15,308 And they didn't know it yet, 2370 01:01:12,505 --> 01:01:15,308 but Detectives Jim Doty 2371 01:01:15,308 --> 01:01:17,844 and Ryan Avis agreed 2372 01:01:15,308 --> 01:01:17,844 with them. 2373 01:01:17,844 --> 01:01:21,281 The detectives already had 2374 01:01:17,844 --> 01:01:21,281 proof Liz was impersonating 2375 01:01:21,281 --> 01:01:23,583 Cari online. 2376 01:01:23,583 --> 01:01:27,287 But they also suspected 2377 01:01:23,583 --> 01:01:27,287 something much darker. 2378 01:01:27,287 --> 01:01:29,989 Remember, another part 2379 01:01:27,287 --> 01:01:29,989 of their investigation involved 2380 01:01:29,989 --> 01:01:35,295 this basic question-- 2381 01:01:29,989 --> 01:01:35,295 was Cari Farver alive or dead? 2382 01:01:35,295 --> 01:01:37,970 - Her father died. 2383 01:01:35,295 --> 01:01:37,970 - Yeah. 2384 01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:38,765 - And she didn't 2385 01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:38,765 go to the funeral. 2386 01:01:38,765 --> 01:01:41,501 Missed her son's birthday 2387 01:01:38,765 --> 01:01:41,501 and all these things. 2388 01:01:41,501 --> 01:01:45,205 I mean, it didn't take Ryan 2389 01:01:41,501 --> 01:01:45,205 very long at all 2390 01:01:45,205 --> 01:01:48,441 to come to a dead end where 2391 01:01:45,205 --> 01:01:48,441 he-he couldn't find anything 2392 01:01:48,441 --> 01:01:50,610 to show that she was alive. 2393 01:01:48,441 --> 01:01:50,610 - No. 2394 01:01:50,610 --> 01:01:54,581 - Suddenly, Cari Farver looked 2395 01:01:50,610 --> 01:01:54,581 not like a villain, 2396 01:01:54,581 --> 01:01:56,950 but like the real victim. 2397 01:01:56,950 --> 01:02:00,820 And the woman who claimed 2398 01:01:56,950 --> 01:02:00,820 she was the victim, Liz Golyar, 2399 01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:04,691 looked like the prime suspect 2400 01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:04,691 in Cari's disappearance. 2401 01:02:04,691 --> 01:02:08,161 - Because why else would you 2402 01:02:04,691 --> 01:02:08,161 disguise yourself as Cari 2403 01:02:08,161 --> 01:02:10,163 if you weren't responsible 2404 01:02:08,161 --> 01:02:10,163 for it? 2405 01:02:10,163 --> 01:02:12,232 Why would you be 2406 01:02:10,163 --> 01:02:12,232 in Cari's vehicle 2407 01:02:12,232 --> 01:02:13,466 if you weren't responsible 2408 01:02:12,232 --> 01:02:13,466 for it? 2409 01:02:13,466 --> 01:02:15,769 - All of that is so 2410 01:02:13,466 --> 01:02:15,769 counterintuitive 2411 01:02:15,769 --> 01:02:19,939 and so bizarre that, you know, 2412 01:02:15,769 --> 01:02:19,939 you wouldn't be expected 2413 01:02:19,939 --> 01:02:20,940 to believe such a thing. 2414 01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:23,877 - No. 2415 01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:23,877 - It was stunning, really. 2416 01:02:23,877 --> 01:02:27,414 Liz apparently impersonating 2417 01:02:23,877 --> 01:02:27,414 Cari for years. 2418 01:02:27,414 --> 01:02:31,251 Sending thousands of texts 2419 01:02:27,414 --> 01:02:31,251 and emails in her name. 2420 01:02:31,251 --> 01:02:34,870 But now, they had 2421 01:02:31,251 --> 01:02:34,870 a bigger question 2422 01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:36,423 and a much 2423 01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:36,423 bigger problem. 2424 01:02:36,423 --> 01:02:40,930 - I guess part of the worry 2425 01:02:36,423 --> 01:02:40,930 was that if-- even if we could 2426 01:02:40,930 --> 01:02:44,664 prove that it's Liz sendin' 2427 01:02:40,930 --> 01:02:44,664 all the stuff out as Cari, 2428 01:02:44,664 --> 01:02:47,167 well, that doesn't 2429 01:02:44,664 --> 01:02:47,167 prove murder. 2430 01:02:47,167 --> 01:02:49,169 - Murder? Yes. 2431 01:02:49,169 --> 01:02:51,404 Sergeant Doty 2432 01:02:49,169 --> 01:02:51,404 and Corporal Davis believed 2433 01:02:51,404 --> 01:02:54,341 that Liz killed Cari 2434 01:02:51,404 --> 01:02:54,341 out of jealousy. 2435 01:02:54,341 --> 01:02:57,143 Impersonated Cari in order 2436 01:02:54,341 --> 01:02:57,143 to win Dave back, 2437 01:02:57,143 --> 01:03:00,380 then tried to frame his 2438 01:02:57,143 --> 01:03:00,380 ex-partner Amy for everything. 2439 01:03:00,380 --> 01:03:03,830 Even going so far as to set 2440 01:03:00,380 --> 01:03:03,830 her own house on fire, 2441 01:03:03,830 --> 01:03:06,886 kill the family pets, 2442 01:03:03,830 --> 01:03:06,886 and shoot herself in the leg. 2443 01:03:06,886 --> 01:03:10,457 Pretty wild stuff. 2444 01:03:06,886 --> 01:03:10,457 But could they prove it? 2445 01:03:10,457 --> 01:03:12,192 - We did s-- need 2446 01:03:10,457 --> 01:03:12,192 somethin' more. 2447 01:03:12,192 --> 01:03:16,162 So, we still weren't quite sure 2448 01:03:12,192 --> 01:03:16,162 how to get to that point. 2449 01:03:16,162 --> 01:03:21,101 - And then, Liz herself, 2450 01:03:16,162 --> 01:03:21,101 by accusing Amy of shooting her, 2451 01:03:21,101 --> 01:03:23,636 gave them 2452 01:03:21,101 --> 01:03:23,636 their big idea. 2453 01:03:23,636 --> 01:03:28,375 - And that's when 2454 01:03:23,636 --> 01:03:28,375 we introduced Jim to Liz. 2455 01:03:28,375 --> 01:03:29,542 - I'm Investigator Doty. 2456 01:03:29,542 --> 01:03:31,770 I work here for 2457 01:03:29,542 --> 01:03:31,770 the Sheriff's Office. 2458 01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:33,246 - Little over a week after 2459 01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:33,246 the shooting in the park, 2460 01:03:33,246 --> 01:03:35,315 Liz arrived at 2461 01:03:33,246 --> 01:03:35,315 the sheriff's station 2462 01:03:35,315 --> 01:03:37,450 wearing her work uniform. 2463 01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:39,686 - I told ya I was lookin' 2464 01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:39,686 into a missing person's case 2465 01:03:39,686 --> 01:03:41,870 briefly on the phone. 2466 01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:43,990 - He told her there was 2467 01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:43,990 a break in the case. 2468 01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:46,659 - There are some-- been some 2469 01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:46,659 remains that have been located. 2470 01:03:46,659 --> 01:03:48,228 - Okay. 2471 01:03:46,659 --> 01:03:48,228 - Okay. 2472 01:03:48,228 --> 01:03:50,960 - It was a ruse, 2473 01:03:48,228 --> 01:03:50,960 of course. 2474 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,333 - We're waitin' on the lab 2475 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,333 results to make a positive ID, 2476 01:03:53,333 --> 01:03:57,103 but the initial indication, 2477 01:03:53,333 --> 01:03:57,103 these remains are Cari. 2478 01:03:57,103 --> 01:03:58,872 - Okay. 2479 01:03:57,103 --> 01:03:58,872 - Okay. 2480 01:03:58,872 --> 01:04:02,442 - Meanwhile, said Detective 2481 01:03:58,872 --> 01:04:02,442 Doty, he was hoping Liz 2482 01:04:02,442 --> 01:04:04,477 could help establish 2483 01:04:02,442 --> 01:04:04,477 a timeline. 2484 01:04:04,477 --> 01:04:08,448 Like when was the last time 2485 01:04:04,477 --> 01:04:08,448 Liz saw Cari? 2486 01:04:08,448 --> 01:04:10,684 Well, that was easy, 2487 01:04:08,448 --> 01:04:10,684 said Liz. 2488 01:04:10,684 --> 01:04:13,353 One brief encounter 2489 01:04:10,684 --> 01:04:13,353 when Liz went unannounced 2490 01:04:13,353 --> 01:04:16,690 to Dave's apartment 2491 01:04:13,353 --> 01:04:16,690 back in 2012. 2492 01:04:16,690 --> 01:04:19,159 - I didn't know he was dating 2493 01:04:16,690 --> 01:04:19,159 anybody else at the time. 2494 01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:20,193 - Mmm-hmm. 2495 01:04:20,193 --> 01:04:23,463 - So, uh, she came out 2496 01:04:20,193 --> 01:04:23,463 and I was going in. 2497 01:04:23,463 --> 01:04:24,397 - Mmm-hmm. 2498 01:04:24,397 --> 01:04:26,900 - And she made a smart comment 2499 01:04:24,397 --> 01:04:26,900 to me. 2500 01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:28,601 - What'd she say to you? 2501 01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:28,601 - Called me a bitch. 2502 01:04:28,601 --> 01:04:30,670 - Okay. Okay. 2503 01:04:28,601 --> 01:04:30,670 - And it wasn't a big deal. 2504 01:04:30,670 --> 01:04:32,205 I didn't really care 2505 01:04:30,670 --> 01:04:32,205 at the time, I just wanted 2506 01:04:32,205 --> 01:04:34,740 to get my stuff, and then I left 2507 01:04:32,205 --> 01:04:34,740 and went home. 2508 01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:37,977 - Okay, that's the only time 2509 01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:37,977 you've ever seen her in person? 2510 01:04:37,977 --> 01:04:41,614 - She told Detective Doty 2511 01:04:37,977 --> 01:04:41,614 that it was Dave who blamed Cari 2512 01:04:41,614 --> 01:04:43,750 for all those harassing messages 2513 01:04:41,614 --> 01:04:43,750 over the years, 2514 01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:47,620 but just as she had told 2515 01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:47,620 Detective Avis, she now thought 2516 01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:51,558 perhaps Amy was really the one 2517 01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:51,558 behind it all. 2518 01:04:51,558 --> 01:04:54,527 - She was with him 2519 01:04:51,558 --> 01:04:54,527 for 12 years. 2520 01:04:54,527 --> 01:04:57,230 And she still goes in and out 2521 01:04:54,527 --> 01:04:57,230 of his life all the time. 2522 01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:59,265 So. 2523 01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:59,265 - Yeah. 2524 01:04:59,265 --> 01:05:00,734 So, you think she could've 2525 01:04:59,265 --> 01:05:00,734 been the person that did 2526 01:05:00,734 --> 01:05:01,868 some of that stuff 2527 01:05:00,734 --> 01:05:01,868 to you? 2528 01:05:01,868 --> 01:05:04,504 - I-I'm just saying, 2529 01:05:01,868 --> 01:05:04,504 as another person who would 2530 01:05:04,504 --> 01:05:07,207 be possessive of Dave, 2531 01:05:04,504 --> 01:05:07,207 it would be her. 2532 01:05:07,207 --> 01:05:10,310 So, I mean, I wouldn't 2533 01:05:07,207 --> 01:05:10,310 put it past her. 2534 01:05:10,310 --> 01:05:13,113 - Detective Doty 2535 01:05:10,310 --> 01:05:13,113 pretended to agree. 2536 01:05:13,113 --> 01:05:16,616 - I'm thinkin' if she was 2537 01:05:13,113 --> 01:05:16,616 bold enough to go 2538 01:05:16,616 --> 01:05:19,152 and then shoot you, okay? 2539 01:05:19,152 --> 01:05:20,754 She could easily be bold 2540 01:05:19,152 --> 01:05:20,754 enough to have done 2541 01:05:20,754 --> 01:05:21,755 somethin' to Cari. 2542 01:05:21,755 --> 01:05:24,958 - Of course, he said, 2543 01:05:21,755 --> 01:05:24,958 he'd need to prove it. 2544 01:05:24,958 --> 01:05:28,528 - We have messages from her 2545 01:05:24,958 --> 01:05:28,528 saying, "Hey, I did this" 2546 01:05:28,528 --> 01:05:31,970 or "I did that," 2547 01:05:28,528 --> 01:05:31,970 you know, 2548 01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:32,966 I could easily start 2549 01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:32,966 buildin' that case. 2550 01:05:32,966 --> 01:05:34,670 - Right. 2551 01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:35,669 - We wanna build 2552 01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:35,669 a case against Amy. 2553 01:05:35,669 --> 01:05:37,704 We wanna get Amy 2554 01:05:35,669 --> 01:05:37,704 thrown in prison. 2555 01:05:37,704 --> 01:05:40,874 Which we were hopin' 2556 01:05:37,704 --> 01:05:40,874 was music to her ears. 2557 01:05:40,874 --> 01:05:43,710 - And apparently, it was. 2558 01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:46,146 Liz agreed to help 2559 01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:46,146 with the investigation 2560 01:05:46,146 --> 01:05:48,782 and she limped away. 2561 01:05:48,782 --> 01:05:50,884 - And she became 2562 01:05:48,782 --> 01:05:50,884 a little deputy for you. 2563 01:05:50,884 --> 01:05:52,485 - Yeah. 2564 01:05:52,485 --> 01:05:57,490 - No telling what Liz 2565 01:05:52,485 --> 01:05:57,490 might come up with next. 2566 01:05:58,758 --> 01:06:02,729 Liz forwards emails 2567 01:05:58,758 --> 01:06:02,729 and propels the investigation. 2568 01:06:06,366 --> 01:06:18,511 ** 2569 01:06:19,212 --> 01:06:20,347 - When Cari Farver 2570 01:06:19,212 --> 01:06:20,347 never returned 2571 01:06:20,347 --> 01:06:23,516 to Little Macedonia, 2572 01:06:20,347 --> 01:06:23,516 Iowa back in 2012, 2573 01:06:23,516 --> 01:06:25,652 cops and neighbors alike 2574 01:06:25,652 --> 01:06:27,530 seemed all too 2575 01:06:25,652 --> 01:06:27,530 willing to believe 2576 01:06:27,530 --> 01:06:29,122 she simply lost her mind. 2577 01:06:29,122 --> 01:06:32,580 Left her son with 2578 01:06:29,122 --> 01:06:32,580 her mom and split. 2579 01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:34,260 - In this small community 2580 01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:34,260 where she's from, 2581 01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:36,429 they all kinda 2582 01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:36,429 believed that too 2583 01:06:36,429 --> 01:06:40,233 and Nancy never could 2584 01:06:36,429 --> 01:06:40,233 stand up and argue. 2585 01:06:40,233 --> 01:06:42,969 - Nancy felt lonely indeed. 2586 01:06:42,969 --> 01:06:46,940 Until one day, Detective Doty 2587 01:06:42,969 --> 01:06:46,940 knocked on her door. 2588 01:06:46,940 --> 01:06:51,344 - I was a little bit 2589 01:06:46,940 --> 01:06:51,344 standoffish because-- 2590 01:06:51,344 --> 01:06:52,412 - Been down 2591 01:06:51,344 --> 01:06:52,412 that road before. 2592 01:06:52,412 --> 01:06:53,913 - Right. Yeah. 2593 01:06:52,412 --> 01:06:53,913 - Yeah. 2594 01:06:53,913 --> 01:06:56,683 - Finally, he said 2595 01:06:53,913 --> 01:06:56,683 to me-- he said, 2596 01:06:56,683 --> 01:06:59,786 "Well, I want you to know 2597 01:06:56,683 --> 01:06:59,786 that I don't think 2598 01:06:59,786 --> 01:07:02,722 "she left on her own." 2599 01:07:02,722 --> 01:07:05,625 And I tell ya, 2600 01:07:05,625 --> 01:07:08,528 my attitude 2601 01:07:05,625 --> 01:07:08,528 just changed. 2602 01:07:08,528 --> 01:07:11,197 - The very thing 2603 01:07:08,528 --> 01:07:11,197 she'd suspected. 2604 01:07:11,197 --> 01:07:13,133 They saw what you 2605 01:07:11,197 --> 01:07:13,133 had seen all along. 2606 01:07:13,133 --> 01:07:14,734 - Right. 2607 01:07:13,133 --> 01:07:14,734 - Yeah. 2608 01:07:14,734 --> 01:07:16,670 - So, then the-y-- 2609 01:07:14,734 --> 01:07:16,670 then the investigation 2610 01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:19,806 really got going. 2611 01:07:19,806 --> 01:07:21,207 - An investigation 2612 01:07:19,806 --> 01:07:21,207 as unusual 2613 01:07:21,207 --> 01:07:24,811 and convoluted as 2614 01:07:21,207 --> 01:07:24,811 the apparent crime, 2615 01:07:24,811 --> 01:07:27,947 in which an eager Liz Golyar 2616 01:07:24,811 --> 01:07:27,947 would try to prove 2617 01:07:27,947 --> 01:07:31,885 that her rival Amy 2618 01:07:27,947 --> 01:07:31,885 killed Cari. 2619 01:07:31,885 --> 01:07:33,453 Of course, all the while, 2620 01:07:31,885 --> 01:07:33,453 the detectives knew 2621 01:07:33,453 --> 01:07:35,288 Amy was innocent. 2622 01:07:35,288 --> 01:07:38,324 But they let Liz think 2623 01:07:35,288 --> 01:07:38,324 they believed otherwise. 2624 01:07:38,324 --> 01:07:41,610 - If she made any real 2625 01:07:38,324 --> 01:07:41,610 threatening statements 2626 01:07:41,610 --> 01:07:44,970 or inferred that 2627 01:07:41,610 --> 01:07:44,970 she did anything to Cari. 2628 01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:45,665 'Cause that is 2629 01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:45,665 like gold to me, 2630 01:07:45,665 --> 01:07:47,133 if we had somethin' 2631 01:07:45,665 --> 01:07:47,133 like that. 2632 01:07:47,133 --> 01:07:48,680 - Okay. 2633 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:49,436 - And what do you know. 2634 01:07:49,436 --> 01:07:55,575 Within days, Liz began 2635 01:07:49,436 --> 01:07:55,575 forwarding them emails from Amy. 2636 01:07:55,575 --> 01:07:58,611 Although the misspellings 2637 01:07:55,575 --> 01:07:58,611 looked awfully familiar. 2638 01:08:10,423 --> 01:08:11,858 - When they first 2639 01:08:10,423 --> 01:08:11,858 started comin' in, 2640 01:08:11,858 --> 01:08:13,260 they were pretty vague. 2641 01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:16,462 - So, Detective Doty 2642 01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:16,462 spoke to Liz again. 2643 01:08:16,462 --> 01:08:18,832 They needed more, 2644 01:08:16,462 --> 01:08:18,832 he told her. 2645 01:08:33,460 --> 01:08:35,215 Liz said she'd try. 2646 01:08:42,756 --> 01:08:46,920 So, Liz said she sent 2647 01:08:42,756 --> 01:08:46,920 this email to Amy. 2648 01:08:54,234 --> 01:08:57,504 According to Liz, 2649 01:08:54,234 --> 01:08:57,504 Amy responded. 2650 01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:06,880 Then, she wrote this. 2651 01:09:27,367 --> 01:09:30,703 Sort of detail 2652 01:09:27,367 --> 01:09:30,703 a killer would know. 2653 01:09:30,703 --> 01:09:33,206 To see that it was working, 2654 01:09:30,703 --> 01:09:33,206 though, must've been enormously, 2655 01:09:33,206 --> 01:09:35,709 uh, exciting. 2656 01:09:33,206 --> 01:09:35,709 - It felt good. 2657 01:09:35,709 --> 01:09:36,876 - Couple of days later, 2658 01:09:36,876 --> 01:09:39,412 Dave Kroupa called 2659 01:09:36,876 --> 01:09:39,412 Detective Avis to say 2660 01:09:39,412 --> 01:09:43,416 he'd just had a disturbing 2661 01:09:39,412 --> 01:09:43,416 conversation with Liz. 2662 01:10:02,202 --> 01:10:04,371 Dave was understandably 2663 01:10:02,202 --> 01:10:04,371 shaken up. 2664 01:10:04,371 --> 01:10:09,209 Avis couldn't tell him much, 2665 01:10:04,371 --> 01:10:09,209 but he did drop a big hint. 2666 01:10:22,622 --> 01:10:23,923 Dave took his advice. 2667 01:10:23,923 --> 01:10:26,259 Moved in with Amy so they 2668 01:10:23,923 --> 01:10:26,259 could protect each other 2669 01:10:26,259 --> 01:10:28,280 and their kids. 2670 01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:29,963 But that outraged Liz. 2671 01:10:29,963 --> 01:10:32,599 She called the police 2672 01:10:29,963 --> 01:10:32,599 to say so. 2673 01:10:43,677 --> 01:10:46,513 Detective Doty told her 2674 01:10:43,677 --> 01:10:46,513 he still needed more evidence. 2675 01:10:46,513 --> 01:10:50,550 So, Liz gave them access 2676 01:10:46,513 --> 01:10:50,550 to her email account. 2677 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:54,587 And over the next month, 2678 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:54,587 emails came pouring in. 2679 01:10:54,587 --> 01:10:57,857 Allegedly from Amy, 2680 01:10:54,587 --> 01:10:57,857 of course. 2681 01:11:19,979 --> 01:11:24,840 All that read like 2682 01:11:19,979 --> 01:11:24,840 a detailed confession. But-- 2683 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,880 - We had to find evidence 2684 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,880 that would match 2685 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,623 what she's 2686 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,623 tellin' us to confirm 2687 01:11:30,623 --> 01:11:32,425 that what she's 2688 01:11:30,623 --> 01:11:32,425 tellin' us is true. 2689 01:11:33,993 --> 01:11:37,630 - The chilling clue that might 2690 01:11:33,993 --> 01:11:37,630 finally unlock this mystery. 2691 01:11:37,630 --> 01:11:40,200 - Took out the passenger, 2692 01:11:37,630 --> 01:11:40,200 pulled off the fabric of that, 2693 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,237 and there's a dark red stain 2694 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,237 right on that seat. 2695 01:11:44,237 --> 01:11:45,805 - That's huge. 2696 01:11:44,237 --> 01:11:45,805 - It was. 2697 01:11:45,805 --> 01:11:57,183 - When "Dateline: 2698 01:11:45,805 --> 01:11:57,183 Secrets Uncovered" continues. 2699 01:11:57,183 --> 01:12:01,254 ** 2700 01:11:57,183 --> 01:12:01,254 - Detectives were convinced 2701 01:11:57,183 --> 01:12:01,254 Liz Golyar killed Cari Farver 2702 01:12:01,254 --> 01:12:03,356 in a convoluted plot 2703 01:12:01,254 --> 01:12:03,356 to win back 2704 01:12:03,356 --> 01:12:05,525 her ex-boyfriend 2705 01:12:03,356 --> 01:12:05,525 Dave Kroupa. 2706 01:12:05,525 --> 01:12:09,329 She handed them emails 2707 01:12:05,525 --> 01:12:09,329 describing the murder. 2708 01:12:09,329 --> 01:12:11,297 Details only the killer 2709 01:12:09,329 --> 01:12:11,297 would know. 2710 01:12:11,297 --> 01:12:15,568 The sender, she said, 2711 01:12:11,297 --> 01:12:15,568 was Dave's ex-wife, Amy. 2712 01:12:15,568 --> 01:12:18,304 Investigators thought 2713 01:12:15,568 --> 01:12:18,304 otherwise and needed 2714 01:12:18,304 --> 01:12:21,107 to look at 2715 01:12:18,304 --> 01:12:21,107 Cari's car again. 2716 01:12:21,107 --> 01:12:24,978 But the car had long since 2717 01:12:21,107 --> 01:12:24,978 been sold to somebody else. 2718 01:12:24,978 --> 01:12:29,849 But they found it, much used, 2719 01:12:24,978 --> 01:12:29,849 in a whole other county. 2720 01:12:29,849 --> 01:12:32,419 - Took out the passenger seat, 2721 01:12:29,849 --> 01:12:32,419 pulled off the fabric of that, 2722 01:12:32,419 --> 01:12:36,890 and there's a dark red stain 2723 01:12:32,419 --> 01:12:36,890 right on that seat. 2724 01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:38,958 Large stain. 2725 01:12:38,958 --> 01:12:40,360 - They tested it. 2726 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,761 Human blood. 2727 01:12:41,761 --> 01:12:45,432 And DNA confirmed 2728 01:12:41,761 --> 01:12:45,432 it was Cari's blood. 2729 01:12:45,432 --> 01:12:47,934 That's huge. 2730 01:12:45,432 --> 01:12:47,934 - It was. 2731 01:12:47,934 --> 01:12:51,204 - We high-fived. 2732 01:12:47,934 --> 01:12:51,204 [chuckles] 2733 01:12:51,204 --> 01:12:53,973 But we really didn't know 2734 01:12:51,204 --> 01:12:53,973 what to do next, for sure. 2735 01:12:53,973 --> 01:12:56,376 - But they were sure 2736 01:12:53,973 --> 01:12:56,376 they had to move fast 2737 01:12:56,376 --> 01:13:00,513 because it appeared Liz 2738 01:12:56,376 --> 01:13:00,513 was scouting a new target. 2739 01:13:00,513 --> 01:13:02,148 - We would see her 2740 01:13:00,513 --> 01:13:02,148 circle Amy's apartment 2741 01:13:02,148 --> 01:13:04,417 multiple times a day. 2742 01:13:04,417 --> 01:13:07,530 - Because Doty and Avis 2743 01:13:04,417 --> 01:13:07,530 believed Cari was murdered 2744 01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:10,357 in Omaha, they asked 2745 01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:10,357 the city police for help. 2746 01:13:10,357 --> 01:13:12,359 And the Omaha PD 2747 01:13:10,357 --> 01:13:12,359 picked up Liz 2748 01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:15,950 on an unrelated 2749 01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:15,950 misdemeanor warrant. 2750 01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:19,132 But in the interview, 2751 01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:19,132 their questions were about Cari. 2752 01:13:19,132 --> 01:13:22,802 Liz stuck to her story 2753 01:13:19,132 --> 01:13:22,802 that she was the victim 2754 01:13:22,802 --> 01:13:24,904 in this tragic tale. 2755 01:13:24,904 --> 01:13:28,808 - What-What do you think 2756 01:13:24,904 --> 01:13:28,808 happened to-to Cari Farver? 2757 01:13:30,977 --> 01:13:32,579 - I don't know. 2758 01:13:32,579 --> 01:13:35,915 I don't even know-- I don't know 2759 01:13:32,579 --> 01:13:35,915 if what Amy's saying is true. 2760 01:13:35,915 --> 01:13:39,719 I don't know. 2761 01:13:35,915 --> 01:13:39,719 - Okay. 2762 01:13:39,719 --> 01:13:40,954 - I'm more-- 2763 01:13:39,719 --> 01:13:40,954 I'm more scared 2764 01:13:40,954 --> 01:13:43,189 that somethin's gonna 2765 01:13:40,954 --> 01:13:43,189 happen to me 2766 01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:45,625 and then my kids aren't 2767 01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:45,625 gonna have anybody. 2768 01:13:45,625 --> 01:13:48,528 - The Omaha detective 2769 01:13:45,625 --> 01:13:48,528 added some pressure. 2770 01:13:48,528 --> 01:13:53,566 Why, he asked, was 2771 01:13:48,528 --> 01:13:53,566 her fingerprint in Cari's car? 2772 01:13:53,566 --> 01:13:55,568 - I don't know, 2773 01:13:53,566 --> 01:13:55,568 but I've never been in her car. 2774 01:13:55,568 --> 01:13:58,104 I don't even know 2775 01:13:55,568 --> 01:13:58,104 what car she drives. 2776 01:13:58,104 --> 01:14:00,373 - She denied everything. 2777 01:14:00,373 --> 01:14:03,643 - The finger's pointin' 2778 01:14:00,373 --> 01:14:03,643 right at you. 2779 01:14:03,643 --> 01:14:05,745 - Then I'm done talking 2780 01:14:03,643 --> 01:14:05,745 and I'm gonna have my attorney, 2781 01:14:05,745 --> 01:14:08,448 because I didn't 2782 01:14:05,745 --> 01:14:08,448 do anything. 2783 01:14:08,448 --> 01:14:09,649 - By the end of the night, 2784 01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:12,520 she bonded out 2785 01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:12,520 and the county attorney 2786 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,255 wanted more time to 2787 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,255 review the evidence. 2788 01:14:15,255 --> 01:14:17,424 What was it like when 2789 01:14:15,255 --> 01:14:17,424 you were waiting for that? 2790 01:14:17,424 --> 01:14:19,325 Was it frustrating? 2791 01:14:19,325 --> 01:14:20,794 - It-It was. 2792 01:14:20,794 --> 01:14:22,362 - Months went by. 2793 01:14:22,362 --> 01:14:25,765 Max, who hadn't heard about any 2794 01:14:22,362 --> 01:14:25,765 of that recent investigation, 2795 01:14:25,765 --> 01:14:29,636 graduated from high school 2796 01:14:25,765 --> 01:14:29,636 without his mom. 2797 01:14:29,636 --> 01:14:34,407 - That was the real kinda 2798 01:14:29,636 --> 01:14:34,407 stake in the heart. 2799 01:14:34,407 --> 01:14:37,444 But... 2800 01:14:37,444 --> 01:14:39,145 'Cause... 2801 01:14:39,145 --> 01:14:40,714 - Well, God knows, 2802 01:14:39,145 --> 01:14:40,714 if there was any occasion 2803 01:14:40,714 --> 01:14:41,781 she was going to attend, 2804 01:14:41,781 --> 01:14:43,817 it certainly would've 2805 01:14:41,781 --> 01:14:43,817 been your graduation. 2806 01:14:43,817 --> 01:14:46,786 - Yeah. 2807 01:14:46,786 --> 01:14:48,521 - Summer came and went. 2808 01:14:48,521 --> 01:14:50,490 Another winter set in. 2809 01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:54,327 And then, December 22, 2016. 2810 01:14:54,327 --> 01:14:56,930 Four years after 2811 01:14:54,327 --> 01:14:56,930 Cari Farver vanished. 2812 01:14:56,930 --> 01:14:59,199 After reviewing all 2813 01:14:56,930 --> 01:14:59,199 the evidence, 2814 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:02,502 the county attorney 2815 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:02,502 finally felt there was enough. 2816 01:15:02,502 --> 01:15:06,106 Liz Golyar was 2817 01:15:02,502 --> 01:15:06,106 arrested for murder. 2818 01:15:06,106 --> 01:15:08,675 - The best part of it was 2819 01:15:06,106 --> 01:15:08,675 bein' able to go to Nancy 2820 01:15:08,675 --> 01:15:11,845 and tell her, 2821 01:15:08,675 --> 01:15:11,845 "We've arrested somebody 2822 01:15:11,845 --> 01:15:13,313 "for the murder 2823 01:15:11,845 --> 01:15:13,313 of your daughter." 2824 01:15:13,313 --> 01:15:14,881 - That was 2825 01:15:13,313 --> 01:15:14,881 a big day for her. 2826 01:15:14,881 --> 01:15:17,784 - That was what made workin' 2827 01:15:14,881 --> 01:15:17,784 this whole case worth it. 2828 01:15:17,784 --> 01:15:19,786 - What'd it feel like, 2829 01:15:17,784 --> 01:15:19,786 driving out there to see them? 2830 01:15:19,786 --> 01:15:21,888 - Couldn't drive 2831 01:15:19,786 --> 01:15:21,888 fast enough. 2832 01:15:21,888 --> 01:15:24,524 - It was big news 2833 01:15:21,888 --> 01:15:24,524 for Dave, too. 2834 01:15:24,524 --> 01:15:25,892 - That was the first time 2835 01:15:24,524 --> 01:15:25,892 I could go outside 2836 01:15:25,892 --> 01:15:28,610 and take a breath 2837 01:15:25,892 --> 01:15:28,610 of fresh air and say, 2838 01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:30,897 "I don't have to look 2839 01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:30,897 over my shoulder today." 2840 01:15:30,897 --> 01:15:32,599 - Liz sat in jail 2841 01:15:32,599 --> 01:15:34,234 while the prosecutors 2842 01:15:32,599 --> 01:15:34,234 prepared 2843 01:15:34,234 --> 01:15:37,337 for a trial they knew 2844 01:15:34,234 --> 01:15:37,337 would not be easy. 2845 01:15:37,337 --> 01:15:39,739 Well, yeah. "No body" cases 2846 01:15:37,337 --> 01:15:39,739 are tough, right? 2847 01:15:39,739 --> 01:15:43,760 - Yeah. And circumstantial. 2848 01:15:39,739 --> 01:15:43,760 It was very circumstantial. 2849 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,413 - But then, as the trial 2850 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,413 date was bearing down, 2851 01:15:46,413 --> 01:15:52,185 a teeny, tiny memory card 2852 01:15:46,413 --> 01:15:52,185 yielded an amazing discovery. 2853 01:15:52,185 --> 01:15:54,721 Which was basically 2854 01:15:52,185 --> 01:15:54,721 just BS luck 2855 01:15:54,721 --> 01:15:56,623 you ever got that, right? 2856 01:15:54,721 --> 01:15:56,623 Last minute? 2857 01:15:56,623 --> 01:15:57,757 - I don't think it's luck. 2858 01:15:57,757 --> 01:16:00,260 I think it was 2859 01:15:57,757 --> 01:16:00,260 divine intervention. 2860 01:16:03,296 --> 01:16:05,131 - A signature tattoo, 2861 01:16:05,131 --> 01:16:07,670 the ultimate computer clue. 2862 01:16:07,670 --> 01:16:10,360 - It turns up on a 2863 01:16:07,670 --> 01:16:10,360 picture of a dead body. 2864 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,338 - Yeah. 2865 01:16:11,438 --> 01:16:24,918 ** 2866 01:16:25,518 --> 01:16:26,753 - We've had 2867 01:16:25,518 --> 01:16:26,753 our fair share 2868 01:16:26,753 --> 01:16:28,621 of homicides 2869 01:16:26,753 --> 01:16:28,621 and bizarre cases, 2870 01:16:28,621 --> 01:16:31,758 but this certainly, 2871 01:16:28,621 --> 01:16:31,758 in all my experience, 2872 01:16:31,758 --> 01:16:34,294 tops the charts 2873 01:16:31,758 --> 01:16:34,294 for most bizarre. 2874 01:16:34,294 --> 01:16:36,396 - Not just bizarre-- 2875 01:16:34,294 --> 01:16:36,396 Challenging, 2876 01:16:36,396 --> 01:16:38,531 even for Brenda Beadle 2877 01:16:36,396 --> 01:16:38,531 and James Masteller, 2878 01:16:38,531 --> 01:16:40,233 both seasoned prosecutors 2879 01:16:40,233 --> 01:16:42,335 when the case landed 2880 01:16:40,233 --> 01:16:42,335 on their desks. 2881 01:16:42,335 --> 01:16:43,470 - Your typical murder case, 2882 01:16:43,470 --> 01:16:45,271 you know exactly when 2883 01:16:43,470 --> 01:16:45,271 the murder happened. 2884 01:16:45,271 --> 01:16:47,240 You know exactly 2885 01:16:45,271 --> 01:16:47,240 where it happened. 2886 01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,341 When you don't 2887 01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,341 have a body, 2888 01:16:48,341 --> 01:16:51,644 you don't really have a good 2889 01:16:48,341 --> 01:16:51,644 date, time, or location. 2890 01:16:51,644 --> 01:16:54,247 - This is a bizarre 2891 01:16:51,644 --> 01:16:54,247 and twisted case 2892 01:16:54,247 --> 01:16:55,782 of a fatal attraction. 2893 01:16:55,782 --> 01:16:58,818 - Nevertheless, 2894 01:16:55,782 --> 01:16:58,818 on May 10, 2017, 2895 01:16:58,818 --> 01:17:01,210 they put Liz Golyar 2896 01:16:58,818 --> 01:17:01,210 on trial 2897 01:17:01,210 --> 01:17:03,230 for the murder 2898 01:17:01,210 --> 01:17:03,230 of Cari Farver. 2899 01:17:03,230 --> 01:17:05,458 - It's about 2900 01:17:03,230 --> 01:17:05,458 an obsessive woman 2901 01:17:05,458 --> 01:17:07,293 that would stop at nothing 2902 01:17:07,293 --> 01:17:08,828 to get what 2903 01:17:07,293 --> 01:17:08,828 she wanted. 2904 01:17:08,828 --> 01:17:11,698 - Liz waived her 2905 01:17:08,828 --> 01:17:11,698 right to a jury trial. 2906 01:17:11,698 --> 01:17:14,434 A judge would 2907 01:17:11,698 --> 01:17:14,434 hear the evidence. 2908 01:17:14,434 --> 01:17:16,936 The prosecutors laid 2909 01:17:14,434 --> 01:17:16,936 it out methodically. 2910 01:17:16,936 --> 01:17:18,672 Cari's blood in the car. 2911 01:17:18,672 --> 01:17:21,474 Liz's fingerprint on the 2912 01:17:18,672 --> 01:17:21,474 mint container in the car. 2913 01:17:21,474 --> 01:17:24,440 The emails that read 2914 01:17:21,474 --> 01:17:24,440 like confessions. 2915 01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:26,946 The vast trove of 2916 01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:26,946 digital forensics. 2917 01:17:26,946 --> 01:17:30,750 They even tracked down a 2918 01:17:26,946 --> 01:17:30,750 purchase on Cari's bank card 2919 01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:32,886 made after she vanished-- 2920 01:17:32,886 --> 01:17:34,521 A Walmart receipt. 2921 01:17:34,521 --> 01:17:36,222 - One of the items 2922 01:17:34,521 --> 01:17:36,222 was a shower curtain. 2923 01:17:36,222 --> 01:17:38,558 And that shower curtain 2924 01:17:36,222 --> 01:17:38,558 looked familiar to us 2925 01:17:38,558 --> 01:17:40,930 because in one of our-- 2926 01:17:40,930 --> 01:17:43,730 that phone dump that we did 2927 01:17:40,930 --> 01:17:43,730 in 2013 of Liz's phone, 2928 01:17:43,730 --> 01:17:46,332 there's a picture 2929 01:17:43,730 --> 01:17:46,332 of that shower curtain. 2930 01:17:46,332 --> 01:17:48,935 - And they found the 2931 01:17:46,332 --> 01:17:48,935 shower curtain itself 2932 01:17:48,935 --> 01:17:51,504 at Liz's apartment. 2933 01:17:51,504 --> 01:17:54,140 There was also a photo of 2934 01:17:51,504 --> 01:17:54,140 Cari's driver's license 2935 01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:57,610 with a large knife next to it 2936 01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:57,610 that was emailed to Dave. 2937 01:17:57,610 --> 01:18:00,313 He thought it was 2938 01:17:57,610 --> 01:18:00,313 a threat from Cari. 2939 01:18:00,313 --> 01:18:02,115 In fact, it was sent from 2940 01:18:00,313 --> 01:18:02,115 an email account 2941 01:18:02,115 --> 01:18:04,818 created by Liz. 2942 01:18:04,818 --> 01:18:08,254 - All these pieces together 2943 01:18:04,818 --> 01:18:08,254 made a big difference. 2944 01:18:08,254 --> 01:18:10,757 - All of it put together, 2945 01:18:08,254 --> 01:18:10,757 said the prosecutors, 2946 01:18:10,757 --> 01:18:15,610 told the story of how Liz Golyar 2947 01:18:10,757 --> 01:18:15,610 murdered Cari Farver. 2948 01:18:15,610 --> 01:18:16,229 They told the judge 2949 01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:19,320 it happened the morning 2950 01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:19,320 of November 13, 2012 2951 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,701 after Dave Kroupa 2952 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,701 left for work. 2953 01:18:21,701 --> 01:18:23,903 Cari was on her laptop. 2954 01:18:23,903 --> 01:18:27,807 - We know by examination of 2955 01:18:23,903 --> 01:18:27,807 Cari Farver's known Facebook 2956 01:18:27,807 --> 01:18:31,344 that she logged into 2957 01:18:27,807 --> 01:18:31,344 her Facebook 2958 01:18:31,344 --> 01:18:33,847 at 6:39 A.M. 2959 01:18:31,344 --> 01:18:33,847 that morning. 2960 01:18:33,847 --> 01:18:35,882 - About two minutes later, 2961 01:18:33,847 --> 01:18:35,882 she logged off. 2962 01:18:35,882 --> 01:18:38,510 She was supposed to leave 2963 01:18:35,882 --> 01:18:38,510 for work, 2964 01:18:38,510 --> 01:18:39,886 but never made it. 2965 01:18:39,886 --> 01:18:42,155 - She was intercepted. 2966 01:18:42,155 --> 01:18:43,356 Something happened. 2967 01:18:43,356 --> 01:18:45,392 That something 2968 01:18:43,356 --> 01:18:45,392 was the defendant. 2969 01:18:45,392 --> 01:18:49,529 - Hard to know exactly what 2970 01:18:45,392 --> 01:18:49,529 Liz did to Cari, but-- 2971 01:18:49,529 --> 01:18:51,640 - It didn't take her 2972 01:18:49,529 --> 01:18:51,640 too long, 2973 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,301 because at 9:54 A.M. 2974 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,301 Cari Farver's cell phone 2975 01:18:55,301 --> 01:18:58,204 is being used 2976 01:18:55,301 --> 01:18:58,204 to access Facebook. 2977 01:18:58,204 --> 01:18:59,339 - And at that moment, 2978 01:18:59,339 --> 01:19:02,575 it appeared Cari 2979 01:18:59,339 --> 01:19:02,575 unfriended Dave. 2980 01:19:02,575 --> 01:19:04,110 - The fact that they had 2981 01:19:02,575 --> 01:19:04,110 the temerity 2982 01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:05,578 to actually be 2983 01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:05,578 Facebook friends? 2984 01:19:05,578 --> 01:19:08,248 This is one of the very 2985 01:19:05,578 --> 01:19:08,248 first acts the defendant takes 2986 01:19:08,248 --> 01:19:11,851 to actually eliminate 2987 01:19:08,248 --> 01:19:11,851 that Facebook friendship. 2988 01:19:11,851 --> 01:19:13,153 - And from then on, 2989 01:19:13,153 --> 01:19:17,524 in cyberspace, 2990 01:19:13,153 --> 01:19:17,524 Liz became Cari. 2991 01:19:17,524 --> 01:19:19,159 - All for that purpose, 2992 01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:22,762 for the reason 2993 01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:22,762 of convincing people-- 2994 01:19:22,762 --> 01:19:26,266 her friends, her family, 2995 01:19:22,762 --> 01:19:26,266 relatives, everyone-- 2996 01:19:26,266 --> 01:19:28,401 that she 2997 01:19:26,266 --> 01:19:28,401 was still alive. 2998 01:19:28,401 --> 01:19:31,404 - Nancy went to court 2999 01:19:28,401 --> 01:19:31,404 every day for the trial, 3000 01:19:31,404 --> 01:19:34,441 heard the details for 3001 01:19:31,404 --> 01:19:34,441 the very first time. 3002 01:19:34,441 --> 01:19:36,376 - I went I heard 3003 01:19:34,441 --> 01:19:36,376 all of this, 3004 01:19:36,376 --> 01:19:41,470 what this person was 3005 01:19:36,376 --> 01:19:41,470 doing in her name, 3006 01:19:41,470 --> 01:19:44,417 it just made me so angry, 3007 01:19:44,417 --> 01:19:46,520 'cause it-- 3008 01:19:44,417 --> 01:19:46,520 Cari's-- 3009 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,356 She didn't deserve 3010 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,356 that at all. 3011 01:19:49,356 --> 01:19:51,391 - So, strong case? 3012 01:19:51,391 --> 01:19:52,692 The prosecutors hoped so, 3013 01:19:52,692 --> 01:19:56,463 though "no body" cases 3014 01:19:52,692 --> 01:19:56,463 are tough to prove. 3015 01:19:56,463 --> 01:20:00,967 But was it luck? 3016 01:19:56,463 --> 01:20:00,967 Divine intervention? 3017 01:20:00,967 --> 01:20:02,802 Before the trial began, 3018 01:20:02,802 --> 01:20:06,106 Detective Avis 3019 01:20:02,802 --> 01:20:06,106 and tech guru Tony Kava 3020 01:20:06,106 --> 01:20:08,575 went back to 3021 01:20:06,106 --> 01:20:08,575 Dave Kroupa again 3022 01:20:08,575 --> 01:20:12,846 and asked if he had anything 3023 01:20:08,575 --> 01:20:12,846 that might help them, 3024 01:20:12,846 --> 01:20:14,514 and that's when 3025 01:20:12,846 --> 01:20:14,514 it hit him. 3026 01:20:14,514 --> 01:20:16,249 He'd put a tablet 3027 01:20:14,514 --> 01:20:16,249 into storage 3028 01:20:16,249 --> 01:20:18,840 and forgotten 3029 01:20:16,249 --> 01:20:18,840 all about it, 3030 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,288 so he fished it out, 3031 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,288 and Kava examined it. 3032 01:20:22,288 --> 01:20:26,920 - Tony removed the-the 3033 01:20:22,288 --> 01:20:26,920 external SD card. 3034 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:27,527 - Ah. Yeah? 3035 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:27,527 - The memory, 3036 01:20:27,527 --> 01:20:30,296 and it had been deleted 3037 01:20:27,527 --> 01:20:30,296 and reformatted. 3038 01:20:30,296 --> 01:20:32,165 - Blank, or so it seemed, 3039 01:20:32,165 --> 01:20:34,868 until Kava took 3040 01:20:32,165 --> 01:20:34,868 a closer look. 3041 01:20:34,868 --> 01:20:36,369 Pay dirt. 3042 01:20:36,369 --> 01:20:38,938 - There were, I wanna say 3043 01:20:36,369 --> 01:20:38,938 thousands of pictures 3044 01:20:38,938 --> 01:20:40,740 that he was able 3045 01:20:38,938 --> 01:20:40,740 to locate. 3046 01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:44,811 - Thousands of photos that 3047 01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:44,811 Liz thought she had deleted. 3048 01:20:44,811 --> 01:20:46,646 - One of the pictures 3049 01:20:44,811 --> 01:20:46,646 we found, 3050 01:20:46,646 --> 01:20:49,182 it was a Chinese symbol 3051 01:20:49,182 --> 01:20:52,218 that we were able to 3052 01:20:49,182 --> 01:20:52,218 determine meant "mother." 3053 01:20:52,218 --> 01:20:56,556 And there were dark 3054 01:20:52,218 --> 01:20:56,556 lines in the picture. 3055 01:20:56,556 --> 01:20:59,626 - Dark lines? 3056 01:20:56,556 --> 01:20:59,626 They looked more closely. 3057 01:20:59,626 --> 01:21:02,195 Those lines were veins 3058 01:21:02,195 --> 01:21:04,497 on what looked like 3059 01:21:02,195 --> 01:21:04,497 someone's foot-- 3060 01:21:04,497 --> 01:21:07,670 Someone's deceased foot. 3061 01:21:07,670 --> 01:21:09,936 Avis called 3062 01:21:07,670 --> 01:21:09,936 Cari's mom Nancy. 3063 01:21:09,936 --> 01:21:12,806 - Nancy was able to email 3064 01:21:09,936 --> 01:21:12,806 a few pictures, 3065 01:21:12,806 --> 01:21:14,441 and sure enough, 3066 01:21:14,441 --> 01:21:17,377 Cari has that same 3067 01:21:14,441 --> 01:21:17,377 tattoo on her left foot. 3068 01:21:17,377 --> 01:21:19,579 - Wow. 3069 01:21:17,377 --> 01:21:19,579 - Identical. 3070 01:21:19,579 --> 01:21:22,882 - And remember the yin yang 3071 01:21:19,579 --> 01:21:22,882 tattoo mentioned 3072 01:21:22,882 --> 01:21:25,919 in one of those possibly 3073 01:21:22,882 --> 01:21:25,919 confessional emails? 3074 01:21:25,919 --> 01:21:27,954 Lo and behold, it 3075 01:21:25,919 --> 01:21:27,954 turns up on a picture. 3076 01:21:27,954 --> 01:21:31,191 - Yeah. 3077 01:21:27,954 --> 01:21:31,191 - Of a dead body. 3078 01:21:31,191 --> 01:21:34,494 - Yeah. 3079 01:21:31,191 --> 01:21:34,494 - Holy cow. 3080 01:21:34,494 --> 01:21:36,730 That was Cari's too. 3081 01:21:36,730 --> 01:21:39,299 The tattoo parlor 3082 01:21:36,730 --> 01:21:39,299 kept a record. 3083 01:21:39,299 --> 01:21:41,468 - My first thought when 3084 01:21:39,299 --> 01:21:41,468 I saw those photographs 3085 01:21:41,468 --> 01:21:45,605 was this defendant had taken 3086 01:21:41,468 --> 01:21:45,605 a trophy or trophies 3087 01:21:45,605 --> 01:21:48,174 of the person 3088 01:21:45,605 --> 01:21:48,174 she'd killed. 3089 01:21:48,174 --> 01:21:50,643 - The motive? 3090 01:21:48,174 --> 01:21:50,643 A very old one. 3091 01:21:50,643 --> 01:21:52,112 Jealousy. 3092 01:21:52,112 --> 01:21:53,680 - It was really all 3093 01:21:52,112 --> 01:21:53,680 about Dave Kroupa. 3094 01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,182 She did it because 3095 01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,182 she wanted this man. 3096 01:21:56,182 --> 01:21:57,751 - Jealous makes people 3097 01:21:56,182 --> 01:21:57,751 do strange things, 3098 01:21:57,751 --> 01:22:00,453 but that's just-- 3099 01:21:57,751 --> 01:22:00,453 Why so much? 3100 01:22:00,453 --> 01:22:03,256 What-- Why? 3101 01:22:00,453 --> 01:22:03,256 - I think it snowballed. 3102 01:22:03,256 --> 01:22:06,860 I think once she did it, 3103 01:22:03,256 --> 01:22:06,860 um, she couldn't stop. 3104 01:22:06,860 --> 01:22:10,196 She had to make Cari look 3105 01:22:06,860 --> 01:22:10,196 like she was still alive 3106 01:22:10,196 --> 01:22:11,631 to keep the heat 3107 01:22:10,196 --> 01:22:11,631 off of her, 3108 01:22:11,631 --> 01:22:15,535 and it just went on and on 3109 01:22:11,631 --> 01:22:15,535 and on for years. 3110 01:22:15,535 --> 01:22:20,106 - Dave Kroupa heard it all 3111 01:22:15,535 --> 01:22:20,106 and finally understood. 3112 01:22:20,106 --> 01:22:22,709 - I mean, it makes sense now, 3113 01:22:20,106 --> 01:22:22,709 at the end, you know? 3114 01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:24,878 But the Tarantino movie 3115 01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:24,878 always makes sense 3116 01:22:24,878 --> 01:22:26,379 at the end, you know? 3117 01:22:26,379 --> 01:22:29,820 It doesn't make any 3118 01:22:26,379 --> 01:22:29,820 sense gettin' there. 3119 01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:32,252 - And Liz's defense attorney, 3120 01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:32,252 James Martin Davis 3121 01:22:32,252 --> 01:22:35,488 agreed it was 3122 01:22:32,252 --> 01:22:35,488 like a movie-- 3123 01:22:35,488 --> 01:22:37,857 A fictional one. 3124 01:22:37,857 --> 01:22:40,930 - I know they've got all 3125 01:22:37,857 --> 01:22:40,930 this bizarre behavior 3126 01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:42,328 and they've got all this 3127 01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:42,328 circumstantial evidence, 3128 01:22:42,328 --> 01:22:45,465 but it doesn't show my client 3129 01:22:42,328 --> 01:22:45,465 on that day 3130 01:22:45,465 --> 01:22:47,701 in this jurisdiction 3131 01:22:45,465 --> 01:22:47,701 took a knife 3132 01:22:47,701 --> 01:22:50,737 and stabbed Cari Farver 3133 01:22:47,701 --> 01:22:50,737 to death. 3134 01:22:50,737 --> 01:22:53,640 - Without that? 3135 01:22:50,737 --> 01:22:53,640 No murder case. 3136 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,309 - You may have camcorders 3137 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,309 and you may have, uh, 3138 01:22:56,309 --> 01:22:58,478 smart cards, 3139 01:22:56,309 --> 01:22:58,478 and you may have phones, 3140 01:22:58,478 --> 01:23:00,146 but you don't have a body 3141 01:23:00,146 --> 01:23:02,282 and you don't have 3142 01:23:00,146 --> 01:23:02,282 a cause of death 3143 01:23:02,282 --> 01:23:04,150 from a medical examiner. 3144 01:23:04,150 --> 01:23:05,151 What we have is 3145 01:23:04,150 --> 01:23:05,151 their belief, 3146 01:23:05,151 --> 01:23:06,953 their speculation. 3147 01:23:06,953 --> 01:23:09,723 their notion that 3148 01:23:06,953 --> 01:23:09,723 this is what happened. 3149 01:23:09,723 --> 01:23:12,425 But they-- It-- 3150 01:23:09,723 --> 01:23:12,425 That's-That can't convict. 3151 01:23:12,425 --> 01:23:15,295 - And then, the judge 3152 01:23:12,425 --> 01:23:15,295 retired to think about it 3153 01:23:15,295 --> 01:23:18,832 and returned to 3154 01:23:15,295 --> 01:23:18,832 an anxious courtroom. 3155 01:23:18,832 --> 01:23:22,135 Max, inside the courtroom, 3156 01:23:18,832 --> 01:23:22,135 waited for the words. 3157 01:23:22,135 --> 01:23:24,537 - It-It was nerve racking. 3158 01:23:24,537 --> 01:23:27,440 - And then 3159 01:23:24,537 --> 01:23:27,440 finally, an answer. 3160 01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:30,877 - The court finds and judges 3161 01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:30,877 the defendant guilty. 3162 01:23:30,877 --> 01:23:32,912 - Guilty of first-degree 3163 01:23:30,877 --> 01:23:32,912 murder 3164 01:23:32,912 --> 01:23:34,614 for killing Cari Farver 3165 01:23:34,614 --> 01:23:35,915 and second-degree arson 3166 01:23:35,915 --> 01:23:37,984 for setting fire 3167 01:23:35,915 --> 01:23:37,984 to her own house 3168 01:23:37,984 --> 01:23:39,452 and killing her pets. 3169 01:23:39,452 --> 01:23:42,188 She was sentenced 3170 01:23:39,452 --> 01:23:42,188 to life in prison. 3171 01:23:42,188 --> 01:23:44,257 Just a few rows behind Liz, 3172 01:23:44,257 --> 01:23:48,161 Cari's mother Nancy finally 3173 01:23:44,257 --> 01:23:48,161 heard the longed for words 3174 01:23:48,161 --> 01:23:49,529 from the judge. 3175 01:23:49,529 --> 01:23:51,765 - Saying that Cari 3176 01:23:49,529 --> 01:23:51,765 did not vanish 3177 01:23:51,765 --> 01:23:53,990 off the face of the earth, 3178 01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:56,736 and she just didn't 3179 01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:56,736 vanish into thin air. 3180 01:23:56,736 --> 01:24:00,640 It was just at total 3181 01:23:56,736 --> 01:24:00,640 relief to me, 3182 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,711 and I just 3183 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,711 started crying. 3184 01:24:04,711 --> 01:24:08,715 - You can't grieve, 3185 01:24:04,711 --> 01:24:08,715 really, until you know. 3186 01:24:08,715 --> 01:24:10,717 And now they did. 3187 01:24:10,717 --> 01:24:12,520 - It'll never go away, 3188 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,922 but at least we can 3189 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,922 deal with it now. 3190 01:24:15,922 --> 01:24:19,259 Have to deal with it. 3191 01:24:19,259 --> 01:24:21,628 - So important, said Nancy, 3192 01:24:21,628 --> 01:24:24,164 to finally set 3193 01:24:21,628 --> 01:24:24,164 the record straight 3194 01:24:24,164 --> 01:24:27,133 about a loving mother 3195 01:24:24,164 --> 01:24:27,133 and a good woman 3196 01:24:27,133 --> 01:24:30,700 who never 3197 01:24:27,133 --> 01:24:30,700 abandoned anyone. 3198 01:24:30,700 --> 01:24:33,730 - And I think it would've 3199 01:24:30,700 --> 01:24:33,730 been important to Cari, too. 3200 01:24:33,730 --> 01:24:35,642 'Cause she would've wanted 3201 01:24:33,730 --> 01:24:35,642 people to say, 3202 01:24:35,642 --> 01:24:38,144 "This was not me." 3203 01:24:38,144 --> 01:24:40,480 Max followed his 3204 01:24:38,144 --> 01:24:40,480 mother's footsteps, 3205 01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:44,384 pursuing a career 3206 01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:44,384 in software engineering. 3207 01:24:44,384 --> 01:24:46,619 - Yeah. That-- 3208 01:24:44,384 --> 01:24:46,619 She was the one 3209 01:24:46,619 --> 01:24:50,657 that really got me 3210 01:24:46,619 --> 01:24:50,657 to understand computers. 3211 01:24:50,657 --> 01:24:53,760 I'll never type as 3212 01:24:50,657 --> 01:24:53,760 well as she could. 3213 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,498 But she-she's definitely 3214 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,498 a big influence there. 3215 01:24:58,498 --> 01:25:00,330 - And inspired your 3216 01:24:58,498 --> 01:25:00,330 love of them. 3217 01:25:00,330 --> 01:25:02,235 - Mm-hmm. 3218 01:25:02,235 --> 01:25:07,400 She-She definitely 3219 01:25:02,235 --> 01:25:07,400 did, but... 3220 01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:08,575 So, uh, I-I have her 3221 01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:08,575 to thank 3222 01:25:08,575 --> 01:25:11,778 for-for what 3223 01:25:08,575 --> 01:25:11,778 I'm going down now. 3224 01:25:11,778 --> 01:25:14,314 - I think she would be 3225 01:25:11,778 --> 01:25:14,314 pretty proud of you. 3226 01:25:18,151 --> 01:25:20,253 - I hope so. 3227 01:25:23,123 --> 01:25:24,224 - That's all 3228 01:25:23,123 --> 01:25:24,224 for this edition 3229 01:25:24,224 --> 01:25:26,359 of "Dateline: 3230 01:25:24,224 --> 01:25:26,359 Secrets Uncovered." 3231 01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:26,426 I'm Kate Snow. 3232 01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:26,426 Thank you for watching.