1 00:00:07,540 --> 00:00:08,708 - I'm craig melvin 2 00:00:08,776 --> 00:00:11,143 And this is "dateline: Secrets uncovered." 3 00:00:11,212 --> 00:00:13,646 She's like, "kristy, I need you to sit down." 4 00:00:13,714 --> 00:00:14,913 And I'm like, "oh, no. 5 00:00:14,982 --> 00:00:16,949 Well, this is never a good thing." 6 00:00:16,951 --> 00:00:20,252 "your dad was shot." I collapsed to the floor. 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,989 None of it made sense to me. I had to hear the whole story. 8 00:00:24,491 --> 00:00:27,859 - Fences make good neighbors, they say. 9 00:00:27,928 --> 00:00:29,928 This one made for a fight. 10 00:00:32,866 --> 00:00:36,736 Big sky country shrunk small by one man. 11 00:00:36,804 --> 00:00:38,970 - The neighbors felt he was a bully. 12 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,475 - But this man refused to be fenced in. 13 00:00:42,543 --> 00:00:44,810 - Praise the lord for this country. 14 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:48,881 - A showdown. A shooting. And one man dying. 15 00:00:51,819 --> 00:00:54,820 The shooter says it was kill or be killed. 16 00:00:54,888 --> 00:00:57,156 What was the truth? - It was murder. 17 00:00:57,224 --> 00:00:58,824 - Pure and simple? - Yes. 18 00:00:58,826 --> 00:01:02,027 - The man who shot first told his story. 19 00:01:02,029 --> 00:01:03,963 - It was him or me and I-I shot him. 20 00:01:04,031 --> 00:01:06,232 - Joe said "he came at me with a gun 21 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:08,233 And I didn't have a choice." 22 00:01:08,302 --> 00:01:11,504 - Did the dead man's body tell a different story? 23 00:01:11,572 --> 00:01:12,771 - He wasn't even looking at 'em. 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,705 He was looking the other direction 25 00:01:13,774 --> 00:01:15,507 And he gets shot in the back. 26 00:01:15,509 --> 00:01:19,178 - Only two men were there and one of them is dead. 27 00:01:19,246 --> 00:01:22,382 And now, his daughter wants the truth. 28 00:01:22,449 --> 00:01:24,182 - Who is this guy that can just steal 29 00:01:24,251 --> 00:01:27,720 Such a beautiful soul from this world? 30 00:01:27,788 --> 00:01:35,994 ♪♪ 31 00:01:35,996 --> 00:01:38,864 - Hello and welcome to "dateline: Secrets uncovered." 32 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:40,999 It can be rewarding buying 33 00:01:41,068 --> 00:01:43,535 A piece of land to call your own. 34 00:01:43,604 --> 00:01:46,204 But what happens when the american dream 35 00:01:46,273 --> 00:01:49,007 Turns into a neighborly nightmare? 36 00:01:49,009 --> 00:01:51,276 Two mountain men, both carrying guns 37 00:01:51,278 --> 00:01:52,677 And possibly secrets, clashed over a dispute 38 00:01:52,746 --> 00:01:56,282 That would end with one of them shot 39 00:01:56,350 --> 00:01:59,151 And the other accused of murder. 40 00:01:59,219 --> 00:02:02,688 Here's keith morrison with "the feud." 41 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:07,559 - There are still places in america 42 00:02:07,628 --> 00:02:11,063 So peaceful, god must've been smiling. 43 00:02:12,499 --> 00:02:16,368 Like this place in montana-- the bob marshall wilderness. 44 00:02:16,770 --> 00:02:18,503 More than a million natural acres 45 00:02:18,572 --> 00:02:20,705 Just south of glacier national park. 46 00:02:20,774 --> 00:02:23,709 The humans here, merely a small, pale stain 47 00:02:23,711 --> 00:02:25,944 On the fringes of a paradise. 48 00:02:28,115 --> 00:02:30,148 Strange that a person up here 49 00:02:30,217 --> 00:02:32,585 Would feel so tense. 50 00:02:32,653 --> 00:02:35,587 - We always knew that something was gonna happen. 51 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:37,589 - But there was no question about it. 52 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:40,593 Sue delarosa was a worried woman. 53 00:02:40,661 --> 00:02:41,793 - We just didn't know who was gonna be 54 00:02:41,862 --> 00:02:43,595 On the receiving end of it. 55 00:02:43,597 --> 00:02:46,331 - Yes, there was trouble. Big trouble. 56 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,301 Sue and her husband dan could feel it in their bones. 57 00:02:50,938 --> 00:02:53,406 And this had been such a happy place. 58 00:02:53,473 --> 00:02:55,540 For nearly a century, people have been coming here 59 00:02:55,609 --> 00:02:58,543 To hunt and fish, ride the trails, 60 00:02:58,545 --> 00:03:02,414 Summer, winter, whenever. 61 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:05,217 Families like the delarosas bought small lots 62 00:03:05,219 --> 00:03:08,420 And built cabins downhill from the public lands. 63 00:03:09,490 --> 00:03:13,259 'round an old dude ranch called the diamond bar x. 64 00:03:13,327 --> 00:03:17,295 - It was a place to get away from your daily grind 65 00:03:17,364 --> 00:03:19,097 And go up on the weekends and let your hair down 66 00:03:19,099 --> 00:03:20,565 And have fun. - With no boundaries, 67 00:03:20,634 --> 00:03:22,801 I'm assuming? - That was exactly right. 68 00:03:24,972 --> 00:03:27,906 - Harmony, community were the rule. 69 00:03:27,975 --> 00:03:30,376 In fact, in 2001, 70 00:03:30,444 --> 00:03:32,510 Sue and dan were married up here 71 00:03:32,579 --> 00:03:35,247 By everybody's favorite waterfall. 72 00:03:35,249 --> 00:03:37,182 - We invited everybody. It was a fun place to be 73 00:03:37,251 --> 00:03:39,985 And everybody was family up there. 74 00:03:40,053 --> 00:03:41,920 - Oh, how they loved it. 75 00:03:41,989 --> 00:03:43,788 - Praise the lord for this country. 76 00:03:43,857 --> 00:03:46,893 - Tim newman loved it, too. 77 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,661 Tim's daughter, kristy. 78 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:50,462 - My dad was a real mountain man, you know? 79 00:03:50,530 --> 00:03:51,864 He loved being out in nature and sleeping 80 00:03:51,932 --> 00:03:53,665 Under the stars without a tent. 81 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:55,333 That's what made him happy. 82 00:03:55,402 --> 00:03:56,801 - Tim and his wife, jackie, 83 00:03:56,870 --> 00:03:59,538 Were fixing up a cabin of their own here. 84 00:03:59,540 --> 00:04:02,874 - He moved fast. Real fast. Running around fixing this 85 00:04:02,876 --> 00:04:05,210 Or I'll wake up to hammers banging 86 00:04:05,279 --> 00:04:07,480 And saws. [laughs] 87 00:04:07,547 --> 00:04:11,149 - He and jackie were each other's second chance at love 88 00:04:11,218 --> 00:04:13,151 When they bowled each other over 89 00:04:13,153 --> 00:04:15,954 In 2004 and got married. 90 00:04:16,023 --> 00:04:18,824 - I felt so blessed. We were blessed. 91 00:04:20,361 --> 00:04:23,628 - Or were, before the trouble. 92 00:04:23,697 --> 00:04:26,699 It was that business about the land that started it. 93 00:04:27,835 --> 00:04:29,769 One of the neighbors would always use the land 94 00:04:29,836 --> 00:04:31,637 And the trails like everybody else. 95 00:04:31,705 --> 00:04:34,373 Managed to buy up hundreds of acres for himself, 96 00:04:34,375 --> 00:04:36,975 Smack dab between all those little cottages 97 00:04:37,044 --> 00:04:39,778 And the vast public wilderness up on the mountain. 98 00:04:39,847 --> 00:04:42,582 And then, he refused to allow anybody 99 00:04:42,649 --> 00:04:45,050 To use the generations-old trails 100 00:04:45,052 --> 00:04:48,054 Connecting their cottages to the forest. 101 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:51,656 - This is him. His name is joe campbell. 102 00:04:51,725 --> 00:04:54,193 - How'd you feel about that? - Not happy. 103 00:04:54,261 --> 00:04:55,860 - Not good. That was like they were-- 104 00:04:55,929 --> 00:04:57,062 - Not good. - It was like they were takin' 105 00:04:57,064 --> 00:04:59,130 Somethin' away that was mine all along. 106 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:00,532 I mean, you felt violated. 107 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,467 It's like, really? Why would you do that? 108 00:05:02,536 --> 00:05:06,472 - Then-deputy brent colbert responded often. 109 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:08,741 - What was the main thing you could-- 110 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:10,809 Would get called in there for? 111 00:05:10,811 --> 00:05:13,945 - People trying to access the public land 112 00:05:14,014 --> 00:05:16,948 Through private land. And, uh, the owners 113 00:05:17,017 --> 00:05:20,151 Of the private land blocking the access. 114 00:05:20,153 --> 00:05:22,020 - Any one particular name you began to hear about 115 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:24,889 More than others? - Yeah. Mr. Campbell. 116 00:05:24,958 --> 00:05:28,394 - What was the neighbors' feeling about him? 117 00:05:28,461 --> 00:05:31,763 - The neighbors felt he was a bully. 118 00:05:31,832 --> 00:05:34,132 - Not only neighbors, mind you. 119 00:05:34,134 --> 00:05:35,767 - You're on private property without permission. 120 00:05:35,836 --> 00:05:38,371 - We are? - This is 2008. 121 00:05:38,438 --> 00:05:41,206 Joe campbell confronting a visiting hunting party. 122 00:05:41,208 --> 00:05:43,041 - You're on our property. - Your pin was-- 123 00:05:43,043 --> 00:05:45,543 - You've been on it for about 3/4 of a ----in' mile. 124 00:05:45,612 --> 00:05:47,779 - Joe was wielding a high-powered shotgun 125 00:05:47,781 --> 00:05:49,381 Called a street sweeper 126 00:05:49,449 --> 00:05:52,650 Developed for riot control and combat. 127 00:05:52,719 --> 00:05:54,119 - That's quite a weapon you're carryin', 128 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:56,688 Are you threatened? - Doin' a little bird huntin'. 129 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:58,758 - That ain't a bird gun. - I always thought 130 00:05:58,825 --> 00:06:01,793 He's gonna run into the wrong type of person 131 00:06:01,795 --> 00:06:03,261 That isn't gonna put up with him. 132 00:06:03,330 --> 00:06:05,730 I thought either he would be shot by someone like that 133 00:06:05,799 --> 00:06:07,933 Or he was gonna shoot somebody. 134 00:06:07,935 --> 00:06:09,868 - Then, there was the time joe barged into 135 00:06:09,937 --> 00:06:13,004 A delarosa family reunion, the family said, 136 00:06:13,073 --> 00:06:16,409 Claiming one of their cars was blocking a road. 137 00:06:16,476 --> 00:06:19,010 - Screaming, yelling profanities. 138 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:22,347 You know, just bein' an absolute jerk. 139 00:06:22,415 --> 00:06:24,950 - The delarosas wrote a letter to the county attorney 140 00:06:25,018 --> 00:06:27,552 Asking him to do something about joe 141 00:06:27,554 --> 00:06:30,156 Before somebody got hurt. They were advised 142 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:33,425 That the property disputes were a civil matter. 143 00:06:34,661 --> 00:06:38,096 So, then, some of the family sued and years later, 144 00:06:38,165 --> 00:06:40,032 Made a deal with joe that gave them 145 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:42,200 The right to cross his land. 146 00:06:42,269 --> 00:06:45,370 Joe put up signs listing the people granted access. 147 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:47,907 - Oh, we saw some deer. - Thing was, not everybody 148 00:06:47,974 --> 00:06:49,841 Could afford to join the lawsuit. 149 00:06:49,843 --> 00:06:52,044 Tim newman, for example. 150 00:06:52,112 --> 00:06:54,846 - So, it was really hard for him to kinda swallow that. 151 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:56,781 He wasn't accepting of it at all. 152 00:06:56,850 --> 00:06:59,150 - There's dan up there, leadin' the way. 153 00:06:59,152 --> 00:07:01,687 - Anyway, he figured his god-given right to use 154 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:05,257 Those trails superseded any earth-bound lawsuit. 155 00:07:05,325 --> 00:07:07,391 - This is the gate to annoy us, 156 00:07:07,461 --> 00:07:09,829 Is the way I think. 'cause it's annoyin'. 157 00:07:09,896 --> 00:07:13,665 - Yes, tim newman was convinced. He had a natural right 158 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:17,702 To cross campbell's land on long-used traditional trails 159 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:20,571 Into the very public national forest. 160 00:07:20,641 --> 00:07:22,173 - Campbell lives somewhere over there. 161 00:07:22,243 --> 00:07:24,243 We're not goin' that way. 162 00:07:24,311 --> 00:07:28,546 - By late September 2013, tension was-- 163 00:07:28,615 --> 00:07:30,615 Well, was tense. 164 00:07:30,684 --> 00:07:33,085 Tim challenging joe. 165 00:07:33,153 --> 00:07:35,320 Joe increasingly angry. 166 00:07:35,388 --> 00:07:38,089 Threats flying back and forth. 167 00:07:38,159 --> 00:07:40,425 And then, it was hunting season. 168 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:43,094 And here, a brief calm. 169 00:07:43,163 --> 00:07:46,264 Tim and a hunting friend avoided joe campbell's land. 170 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:49,701 - Okay. Here we are, cuttin' trails. 171 00:07:49,770 --> 00:07:53,905 Huntin' season 2013. 172 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:55,774 She's gettin' purdy. 173 00:07:55,776 --> 00:07:58,109 - Later that week, tim left a voicemail 174 00:07:58,178 --> 00:08:00,111 For his daughter, kristy. 175 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:02,647 - And he was tellin' me about a bear he'd just gotten. 176 00:08:02,716 --> 00:08:05,183 He'd been wantin' to get a bear for a long time 177 00:08:05,252 --> 00:08:07,452 And he finally got the bear. 178 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:10,122 - What's the old saying? Sometimes 179 00:08:10,190 --> 00:08:12,925 You get the bear, sometimes, 180 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:15,393 Well, you know the rest. 181 00:08:15,395 --> 00:08:16,594 Oh, by the way. 182 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:20,098 Everybody but the bear lived that day. 183 00:08:21,535 --> 00:08:24,270 But not for long. 184 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:26,271 - 9-1-1 what is your emergency? 185 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:29,141 - There were shots fired and one of 'em's down. 186 00:08:30,343 --> 00:08:32,143 - A showdown up on the mountain. 187 00:08:32,212 --> 00:08:35,947 Who was shot and why? Coming up. 188 00:08:35,949 --> 00:08:38,216 - She's like, "kristy, I need you to sit down." 189 00:08:38,285 --> 00:08:40,052 And I'm like, oh, no. 190 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,487 - And a puzzle for the sheriff. 191 00:08:42,489 --> 00:08:45,223 Two guns. One angry man. 192 00:08:45,292 --> 00:08:47,559 - It was just plain-- "I thought he was gonna 193 00:08:47,627 --> 00:08:50,161 Shoot me, so I shot first." 194 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:53,064 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 195 00:09:02,776 --> 00:09:06,045 ♪ - on a Friday afternoon, October 2013, 196 00:09:06,913 --> 00:09:08,846 A sheriff's deputy raced 20 miles 197 00:09:08,915 --> 00:09:12,283 From the small town of augusta, montana 198 00:09:12,352 --> 00:09:15,320 To the edge of the bob marshall wilderness. 199 00:09:15,322 --> 00:09:17,121 - We need the augusta county sheriff-- 200 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:19,190 - There had been a 9-1-1 call. 201 00:09:19,259 --> 00:09:22,260 Reports of shots fired. A man down. 202 00:09:22,262 --> 00:09:24,663 And when the deputy finally pulled to a stop, 203 00:09:24,665 --> 00:09:28,266 He found joe campbell, standing behind the gate 204 00:09:28,335 --> 00:09:31,469 He'd built to block the trail to public lands. 205 00:09:31,471 --> 00:09:34,607 And just 10 feet away, sprawled in the dirt, 206 00:09:34,674 --> 00:09:37,141 There was tim newman. 207 00:09:37,143 --> 00:09:39,077 The deputy ripped open newman's shirt, 208 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,145 Saw a gunshot wound to the chest, 209 00:09:41,214 --> 00:09:44,215 And that it was too late. - My phone rang. 210 00:09:44,284 --> 00:09:46,318 She's like "kristy, I need you to sit down." 211 00:09:46,386 --> 00:09:49,487 - Tim's daughter got a call from her aunt. 212 00:09:49,489 --> 00:09:52,357 - And I'm like, "oh, no. This is never a good thing." 213 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:54,559 And, uh, I just immediately said no. 214 00:09:54,561 --> 00:09:56,761 I'm like, "no. No." like, "I don't' want to-- 215 00:09:56,830 --> 00:09:58,496 "I don't want you to tell me what you're about to tell me." 216 00:09:58,565 --> 00:10:01,166 "no." like, "no." and she's like, "I'm sorry, 217 00:10:01,234 --> 00:10:04,235 Your dad was shot. Tim is dead." 218 00:10:04,304 --> 00:10:06,906 - Tim newman was 53 when he died 219 00:10:06,973 --> 00:10:09,641 Beneath the big sky he loved. 220 00:10:09,709 --> 00:10:11,577 - I was floored. I was stunned. 221 00:10:11,645 --> 00:10:14,979 - We always knew with the guns being pulled that something 222 00:10:15,048 --> 00:10:16,781 Was gonna happen, we just didn't know who 223 00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:19,784 Was gonna be on the receiving end of it. 224 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:22,253 - It's a beautiful area. As you're drivin' there, 225 00:10:22,322 --> 00:10:23,922 You're thinkin' how could anybody 226 00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:26,659 Who lives in such splendor 227 00:10:26,726 --> 00:10:28,661 Be so angry? 228 00:10:28,728 --> 00:10:30,795 - Sheriff leo dutton responded to the scene 229 00:10:30,864 --> 00:10:34,665 Just after his deputies and found joe campbell 230 00:10:34,735 --> 00:10:37,402 In the back of a patrol vehicle. 231 00:10:37,404 --> 00:10:38,938 - Hi, sir. - Hi, there. 232 00:10:39,005 --> 00:10:40,406 - Sheriff dutton. 233 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:42,607 - We had to take his story at face value 234 00:10:42,675 --> 00:10:45,878 Because nothing else seemed to-- seemed amiss. 235 00:10:45,945 --> 00:10:48,279 - And what was that story? - It was just plain, 236 00:10:48,348 --> 00:10:52,283 "I thought he was gonna shoot me, so I shot first." 237 00:10:52,352 --> 00:10:55,019 - Made sense. Tim newman's .357 magnum 238 00:10:55,088 --> 00:10:58,857 Was found on the ground, not far from his right hand. 239 00:11:00,026 --> 00:11:01,894 And the sheriff knew that tim newman had been 240 00:11:01,961 --> 00:11:04,929 Baiting the bear, fighting joe campbell's rules 241 00:11:04,931 --> 00:11:07,699 About who could or couldn't cross his land. 242 00:11:07,767 --> 00:11:09,501 He carried a video camera with him. 243 00:11:09,569 --> 00:11:12,671 - This is what you have to go through with this gate. 244 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:16,574 - Tim, bold as brass, had been cutting padlocks 245 00:11:16,643 --> 00:11:19,410 Which joe campbell used to lock his gates. 246 00:11:19,479 --> 00:11:21,946 - When I first talked to mr. Newman about this, 247 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:24,248 He admitted to cutting those locks and said 248 00:11:24,317 --> 00:11:26,784 That he was gonna continue to do that. 249 00:11:26,853 --> 00:11:28,920 And I said, "well, I guess if that's the case, 250 00:11:28,988 --> 00:11:30,990 Me and you are probably gonna be pretty good friends, 251 00:11:31,057 --> 00:11:33,057 'cause I'll see you quite often. 252 00:11:33,059 --> 00:11:36,594 - Did you charge tim newman? - I did. I did. Uh-- 253 00:11:36,663 --> 00:11:38,663 - You wrote up tickets for him? - I did. 254 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:40,998 For criminal mischief to the locks and gates 255 00:11:41,067 --> 00:11:43,935 That he was cutting and-and destroying. 256 00:11:43,937 --> 00:11:46,137 - Saw a mountain lion. - Tim thought that charges 257 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:47,805 Would put him in front of a judge 258 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:49,207 Where he would finally have a chance 259 00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:51,276 To set the record straight and preserve 260 00:11:51,344 --> 00:11:53,412 What he believed to be his natural right 261 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,081 To use the trails across joe's land 262 00:11:56,149 --> 00:11:58,884 To the very public national forest. 263 00:11:58,952 --> 00:12:02,420 But just days before the shooting, 264 00:12:02,422 --> 00:12:06,023 The county attorney dismissed all the charges against tim, 265 00:12:06,092 --> 00:12:09,727 Saying it was not a criminal matter but a civil one. 266 00:12:09,796 --> 00:12:12,631 Which tim newman took as tacit permission 267 00:12:12,699 --> 00:12:15,233 To keep cutting the locks. 268 00:12:15,235 --> 00:12:17,302 Did you say, "tim, this is not a good way to go?" 269 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:19,838 - Yeah, we did. Yeah. - I mean, you go out and cut 270 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:22,039 Somebody's locks, they're not gonna be a happy camper. 271 00:12:22,108 --> 00:12:23,107 - Right. - Yes. 272 00:12:23,176 --> 00:12:25,310 - Which leads us back to the gate 273 00:12:25,378 --> 00:12:28,579 Where tim newman now lay dead. 274 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:32,250 And joe campbell was telling sheriff's deputies a story. 275 00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:34,420 He and his wife tani were walking up 276 00:12:34,487 --> 00:12:37,321 The trail toward their property, said joe, 277 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:41,060 When tim started following them on his atv. 278 00:12:41,127 --> 00:12:42,528 They were frightened, he said. 279 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:44,729 They hurried to his gate, slipped through it. 280 00:12:44,797 --> 00:12:47,265 And then, as joe sent his wife to call the sheriff, 281 00:12:47,333 --> 00:12:49,201 He said, tim got out of his atv and approached 282 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:52,203 The gate with a pair of bolt cutters. 283 00:12:52,205 --> 00:12:55,940 Then, said joe, tim leaned down to the padlock on the gate 284 00:12:56,009 --> 00:12:58,811 And noticed joe was wearing a pistol on his hip. 285 00:13:29,843 --> 00:13:31,843 So, that was joe campbell's story. 286 00:13:31,911 --> 00:13:35,313 He was threatened, so he shot tim newman twice. 287 00:13:35,381 --> 00:13:39,251 First in the chest and then, in the back. 288 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:42,053 - We didn't arrest him because he asserted 289 00:13:42,122 --> 00:13:45,723 It's self-defense and montana now has a law 290 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:48,060 That you don't have any duty to run. 291 00:13:48,127 --> 00:13:51,663 If you feel threatened, then you can protect yourself 292 00:13:51,731 --> 00:13:54,600 With deadly force. - So, essentially shoot first 293 00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:56,534 And figure it out later. - Yes. 294 00:13:56,536 --> 00:13:59,805 - And figuring it out would take time. 295 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:03,207 - I can walk home, right? - Nope, we'll give you a ride. 296 00:14:03,209 --> 00:14:07,078 - So, joe campbell was sent home that very day 297 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,849 And tim newman's body was taken away for an autopsy. 298 00:14:11,951 --> 00:14:15,219 When of course, science would enter the story. 299 00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:17,823 Science as glorious as all outdoors 300 00:14:17,891 --> 00:14:21,560 To bat away foolish human vanities. 301 00:14:23,096 --> 00:14:26,265 - Coming up. - This really all came down 302 00:14:26,332 --> 00:14:29,233 To what the body told you. - Absolutely. 303 00:14:29,235 --> 00:14:32,504 - But tim's neighbors had already decided. 304 00:14:32,572 --> 00:14:34,238 - They were, "why isn't he in jail?" 305 00:14:34,307 --> 00:14:36,775 "he shot a person. Why didn't we do something?" 306 00:14:36,843 --> 00:14:40,078 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 307 00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:53,191 - In the days after tim newman was shot dead, 308 00:14:53,259 --> 00:14:56,260 Joe campbell went back to his home on top of the mountain 309 00:14:56,329 --> 00:14:59,598 While many of his downhill neighbors let the death 310 00:14:59,666 --> 00:15:00,798 Dissuade them from visiting 311 00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:03,801 Their cabins on the land they loved. 312 00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:06,271 But not dan and sue delarosa. 313 00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:09,608 - If all the neighbors had run and hid and-and not come up 314 00:15:09,676 --> 00:15:10,875 To the mountain and stayed at home, 315 00:15:10,877 --> 00:15:13,345 Then, hell, he won. - Yeah. 316 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,012 - Then he's got the whole place to himself, 317 00:15:15,081 --> 00:15:16,480 Which he wanted originally. 318 00:15:16,549 --> 00:15:17,749 And so, we said "we're st-- we're goin'. 319 00:15:17,817 --> 00:15:19,817 - This was our paradise and even though 320 00:15:19,886 --> 00:15:23,222 It was shattered, we weren't willing to walk away. 321 00:15:23,289 --> 00:15:26,357 - And many neighbors vented to the sheriff 322 00:15:26,426 --> 00:15:28,492 About joe campbell. - They were, 323 00:15:28,561 --> 00:15:30,495 "why isn't he in jail? He shot a person. 324 00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:32,163 Why didn't we do something about it?" 325 00:15:32,232 --> 00:15:34,098 - Yeah. - But there's a montana law 326 00:15:34,167 --> 00:15:37,435 That guides our behavior. - So, the question 327 00:15:37,437 --> 00:15:40,504 Became one of intent. - Yes. 328 00:15:40,573 --> 00:15:42,374 - If you intend to defend yourself, 329 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:44,108 You're within the law. - Right. 330 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:45,576 - If you intend to kill somebody because 331 00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:48,446 He's a pain in the ass-- against the law. 332 00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:50,915 - Yep. They make hemorrhoid cream for that. 333 00:15:50,983 --> 00:15:53,684 I mean, you don't need to shoot people for that. 334 00:15:53,753 --> 00:15:56,054 - But which was it in this case? 335 00:15:56,122 --> 00:15:58,790 Self-defense or murder? 336 00:15:58,858 --> 00:16:01,058 Remember, joe campbell claimed tim newman 337 00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:04,061 Confronted him. Leveled a gun at him. 338 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:07,798 So, campbell was within his rights to fire first. 339 00:16:07,867 --> 00:16:10,401 - I-I shot and he spun around and-- 340 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:12,603 - That second shot in the back 341 00:16:12,672 --> 00:16:15,806 Was half reflex, half fear, he said. 342 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:18,109 Make sure he got the guy who threatened him. 343 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,984 Except this was curious-- 344 00:16:27,054 --> 00:16:28,987 Tim was left-handed, 345 00:16:29,056 --> 00:16:31,322 But his gun was found lying on the ground 346 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:33,891 Near his right hand. 347 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,627 And tim's gun hadn't been fired. 348 00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:40,031 So, if he had the drop on joe, as campbell said he did, 349 00:16:40,099 --> 00:16:41,565 How did joe get a shot off 350 00:16:41,634 --> 00:16:44,835 Before tim could pull the trigger? 351 00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:46,238 The puzzle landed on the desks 352 00:16:46,305 --> 00:16:49,173 Of then-deputy attorney general mary cochenour 353 00:16:49,242 --> 00:16:50,776 And dan guzynski. 354 00:16:50,843 --> 00:16:53,577 - I think mary and I both feel, like-like most montanans feel, 355 00:16:53,646 --> 00:16:55,314 That we have an absolute right to defend ourselves. 356 00:16:55,381 --> 00:16:57,982 I think the challenge is-is to try to ferret out, 357 00:16:58,051 --> 00:17:00,718 You know, when there's a justifiable homicide 358 00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:03,387 Versus a situation where they wanted to commit murder 359 00:17:03,389 --> 00:17:05,790 And they used the justifiable use of force 360 00:17:05,792 --> 00:17:08,392 To get away with murder. - The two prosecutors 361 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:11,396 Had to decide which applied in this case. 362 00:17:14,067 --> 00:17:16,734 They'd heard joe campbell's side of the story, 363 00:17:16,803 --> 00:17:18,869 But the only story tim newman could tell 364 00:17:18,938 --> 00:17:21,605 Would come from his autopsy. 365 00:17:21,674 --> 00:17:23,541 This really all came down 366 00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:25,743 To what the body told you, 367 00:17:25,812 --> 00:17:28,679 What the wounds told you, right? 368 00:17:28,748 --> 00:17:30,815 - Absolutely. And from that autopsy, 369 00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:34,152 We learned that there were two shots to tim newman. 370 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:37,955 One shot was to the back. Severed his spine 371 00:17:38,024 --> 00:17:41,358 And it would've paralyzed him instantly from mid-chest down. 372 00:17:41,427 --> 00:17:44,562 The other shot hit his hand first 373 00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:46,965 And then skimmed his chest 374 00:17:47,033 --> 00:17:48,966 And whizzed past his head. 375 00:17:49,035 --> 00:17:52,571 - And to the prosecutors, the angle of those shots 376 00:17:52,638 --> 00:17:54,905 Strongly suggested that the first shot 377 00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:57,875 Could have been in tim newman's back. 378 00:17:57,944 --> 00:18:01,579 - So, it told us that the story that joe campbell 379 00:18:01,581 --> 00:18:04,850 Had told law enforcement that he had shot 380 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:07,852 Into tim newman as tim newman 381 00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:11,589 Was rising up with his own gun, 382 00:18:11,591 --> 00:18:15,059 Physically didn't work out from a common-sense level. 383 00:18:15,061 --> 00:18:17,328 - This is your miranda warning. - They called joe in 384 00:18:17,396 --> 00:18:20,731 For a second interview. When, again, 385 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,633 He said tim was the aggressor. 386 00:18:22,702 --> 00:18:25,137 Chasing joe and his wife with his atv. 387 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,313 But she did, said joe, 388 00:18:36,382 --> 00:18:38,883 And that's when tim came at him. 389 00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:06,310 Instead, said joe, tim walked right up to the gate 390 00:19:06,312 --> 00:19:09,713 And him. And then? 391 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:13,251 Then, joe campbell's story changed. 392 00:19:13,253 --> 00:19:15,452 Right after it happened, joe quoted tim 393 00:19:15,521 --> 00:19:18,123 As saying "oh, you're armed?" 394 00:19:18,191 --> 00:19:22,627 Now, he claimed tim pointed a gun right at him and said-- 395 00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:27,131 - Well, certainly, that statement 396 00:19:27,199 --> 00:19:29,400 About shoot first or cut the locks, I think 397 00:19:29,468 --> 00:19:32,069 He's tryin' to show that tim newman, 398 00:19:32,071 --> 00:19:35,673 Um, verbally told him that he was gonna shoot him. 399 00:19:35,741 --> 00:19:38,409 And before that, there was nothing. 400 00:19:38,411 --> 00:19:40,878 - And about that thought that the angles of the shots 401 00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:44,149 Suggested the first shot was a shot in the back? 402 00:19:44,217 --> 00:19:47,084 No, no, said joe. Didn't happen. 403 00:19:47,153 --> 00:19:50,354 Not long after, they sent joe home again 404 00:19:50,423 --> 00:19:53,557 And wondered what was the truth 405 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:55,025 And what wasn't. 406 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:57,228 They really couldn't be sure. 407 00:19:57,296 --> 00:20:01,165 - In the end, we really needed a shooting reconstructionist 408 00:20:01,167 --> 00:20:04,702 And reconstruct the shooting at the scene. 409 00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:08,105 - But that reconstruction would have to wait 410 00:20:08,174 --> 00:20:11,709 For one of those only-in-montana reasons. 411 00:20:11,711 --> 00:20:13,778 - Right after tim newman had been shot, 412 00:20:13,846 --> 00:20:16,514 There'd been a big snowstorm and the-the crime scene 413 00:20:16,516 --> 00:20:19,383 Had been under snow that whole winter 414 00:20:19,452 --> 00:20:22,454 And we had to wait until may to get him up 415 00:20:22,521 --> 00:20:24,922 To the crime scene so he could do his work. 416 00:20:24,991 --> 00:20:27,124 - And so, once again, 417 00:20:27,193 --> 00:20:29,394 It was springtime in montana 418 00:20:29,462 --> 00:20:32,129 And the answer, pure and mindless 419 00:20:32,131 --> 00:20:34,532 As the first tiny blossoms, 420 00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:36,801 Rose up from the greening soil. 421 00:20:36,869 --> 00:20:38,936 - It was murder. - Pure and simple? 422 00:20:39,005 --> 00:20:41,739 - Yes. - How did they know, 423 00:20:41,807 --> 00:20:43,741 8 months after the fact? 424 00:20:43,809 --> 00:20:47,478 And how would they prove it to a jury? 425 00:20:47,546 --> 00:20:50,448 Different sort of science altogether, that. 426 00:20:52,819 --> 00:20:55,486 - Coming up. In the old west, 427 00:20:55,554 --> 00:20:58,155 It was the lowest thing you could do. 428 00:20:58,224 --> 00:20:59,890 - He shot 'em in the back in cold blood? 429 00:20:59,892 --> 00:21:02,359 - He admits that he shot him in the back. 430 00:21:02,428 --> 00:21:04,695 - And if that was the first shot, 431 00:21:04,697 --> 00:21:06,697 Then this was murder. 432 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:10,434 - He stated that "the next time I see tim newman, 433 00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:12,169 I'm gonna put him down. 434 00:21:12,171 --> 00:21:14,038 I'm gonna put him down, lamonte." 435 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:15,939 Those were his words. 436 00:21:16,008 --> 00:21:19,610 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 437 00:21:23,314 --> 00:21:27,851 ♪♪ 438 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,521 Welcome back to "dateline: Secrets uncovered." 439 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:31,789 I'm craig melvin. 440 00:21:31,857 --> 00:21:34,926 Joe campbell had admitted to shooting tim newman. 441 00:21:34,994 --> 00:21:37,461 First in his chest, then in his back, 442 00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:40,064 Claiming it was self-defense. 443 00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:41,932 Yet, the autopsy and the crime scene 444 00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:44,868 Both suggested a different story. 445 00:21:44,937 --> 00:21:47,671 Police questioned joe about his motive. 446 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:51,075 Was he hiding an ugly secret? 447 00:21:51,143 --> 00:21:54,111 Back to keith morrison with "the feud." 448 00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:58,416 - Montana state capitol in helena, 449 00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:01,018 February 2016. 450 00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:03,353 Into the old supreme court chambers-- 451 00:22:03,423 --> 00:22:06,558 - Please be seated. - Came a small, elderly man. 452 00:22:06,625 --> 00:22:10,428 Joe campbell, 70 years old, was charged with murder. 453 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:12,963 Deliberate homicide, they call it here, 454 00:22:13,032 --> 00:22:16,967 Accused of killing tim newman in cold blood. 455 00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:20,971 - It just made me wonder how it had gotten to this point, 456 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,507 Where someone died. 457 00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:27,878 - Worse, breaking the unwritten code of the west. 458 00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:30,581 You're accusing this man of doing 459 00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:33,984 Probably the lowest thing you can do in western mythology-- 460 00:22:34,053 --> 00:22:35,520 Shoot a man in the back. 461 00:22:35,588 --> 00:22:36,787 Is that what he did, really? 462 00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:38,656 He shot him in the back in cold blood? 463 00:22:38,658 --> 00:22:41,725 - He admits that he shot him in the back. 464 00:22:41,794 --> 00:22:46,063 - But was it campbell's first shot or his second? 465 00:22:46,132 --> 00:22:46,998 That could make the difference 466 00:22:47,066 --> 00:22:48,933 Between murder and self-defense. 467 00:22:48,935 --> 00:22:51,201 - This was not a justified killing, 468 00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:52,803 And the state of montana 469 00:22:52,805 --> 00:22:56,674 Is going to ask that you find joe campbell guilty 470 00:22:56,676 --> 00:22:59,009 Of deliberate homicide. 471 00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:00,879 - Remember the crime scene expert who had to wait 472 00:23:00,946 --> 00:23:03,747 For the snow to melt to make his calculations? 473 00:23:03,816 --> 00:23:05,149 This is him. 474 00:23:05,217 --> 00:23:07,818 - My job was to independently investigate 475 00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:10,487 What could've happened at this particular crime scene. 476 00:23:10,556 --> 00:23:13,758 - William schneck, a forensic scientist. 477 00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:17,061 What he did was try, with an assistant helping, 478 00:23:17,063 --> 00:23:18,162 To reenact events 479 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:20,998 As joe campbell claimed they had happened-- 480 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,033 Lining up body positioning, 481 00:23:23,035 --> 00:23:27,070 Track of the bullets, that sort of thing. And? 482 00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:29,706 - Were you able to reconstruct the scene 483 00:23:29,775 --> 00:23:32,443 As mr. Campbell said it had happened? 484 00:23:32,511 --> 00:23:35,447 - No, I was not able to do that for either shot. 485 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:37,849 - But guess what did line up? 486 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:40,718 The shots in the opposite order 487 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,252 That campbell had claimed. 488 00:23:42,321 --> 00:23:43,453 - My opinion is, 489 00:23:43,523 --> 00:23:46,991 Mr. Campbell shoots mr. Newman in the back 490 00:23:46,993 --> 00:23:48,725 As he's running from the gate. 491 00:23:48,794 --> 00:23:52,329 At that point, he falls to the ground on his back 492 00:23:52,331 --> 00:23:53,530 In the death position. 493 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,467 At that time, mr. Campbell takes the second shot. 494 00:23:57,537 --> 00:24:00,604 A grazing shot over the hand and across the chest, 495 00:24:00,673 --> 00:24:01,672 Missing the head. 496 00:24:01,674 --> 00:24:03,273 - Look at it, said the scientist. 497 00:24:03,342 --> 00:24:06,010 With tim felled by the first bullet to the back, 498 00:24:06,078 --> 00:24:08,812 The second bullet travels south to north, 499 00:24:08,881 --> 00:24:11,548 Grazing his vest, nicking his hand, 500 00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:13,283 And zipping right past his head. 501 00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:15,285 The only way it could've happened. 502 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:17,154 Was he right? 503 00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:20,090 Why not call a legend to confirm it? 504 00:24:20,092 --> 00:24:22,226 Legendary expert, that is. 505 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:24,829 - The state calls dr. Werner spitz. 506 00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:27,898 - Dr. Werner spitz literally wrote the book 507 00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:29,967 On forensic pathology. 508 00:24:29,969 --> 00:24:32,036 He even brought the book to court. 509 00:24:32,104 --> 00:24:33,370 - I can only tell you this-- 510 00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:36,373 That if weight has a meaning by way of quality, 511 00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:38,375 Then this is 9 pounds and a quarter. 512 00:24:38,377 --> 00:24:41,845 - Okay. All right. 513 00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:44,983 - 89 years old when he took the stand. 514 00:24:45,050 --> 00:24:46,383 Dr. Spitz investigated 515 00:24:46,451 --> 00:24:48,787 The assassinations of president kennedy 516 00:24:48,854 --> 00:24:52,190 And dr. Martin luther king and many, many more. 517 00:24:52,258 --> 00:24:54,726 He testified more recently in the phil spector 518 00:24:54,793 --> 00:24:57,260 And casey anthony trials. 519 00:24:57,330 --> 00:25:01,198 So what did dr. Spitz say about this case? 520 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,468 - Just to be clear, doctor, your opinion is that 521 00:25:04,537 --> 00:25:06,804 Mr. Newman was shot in the back 522 00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:08,339 As he turned away from the gate, 523 00:25:08,407 --> 00:25:10,207 Some 10 feet from the gate. 524 00:25:10,276 --> 00:25:11,675 - Yes, that's correct. 525 00:25:11,744 --> 00:25:15,079 - And then he fell to the ground on his back. 526 00:25:15,081 --> 00:25:15,946 - That's correct. 527 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:18,216 - And then, he was shot a second time, 528 00:25:18,284 --> 00:25:20,484 Landing in this death position, 529 00:25:20,553 --> 00:25:23,353 And those wounds to the hand line up perfectly with-- 530 00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:25,623 - Line up perfectly. 531 00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:26,491 - The big mystery then, 532 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,292 According to the prosecutors, was why? 533 00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:32,029 Why would joseph campbell have shot tim newman 534 00:25:32,097 --> 00:25:34,031 In cold blood? 535 00:25:34,099 --> 00:25:36,401 Well, remember that video of campbell 536 00:25:36,468 --> 00:25:39,870 Taken by a hunting party in 2008? 537 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:41,438 - You're on private property without permission. 538 00:25:41,507 --> 00:25:42,439 - We are? 539 00:25:42,441 --> 00:25:44,308 - Prosecutors played it for the jury 540 00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:47,044 To show that campbell wasn't afraid to confront 541 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:50,415 And chase off anybody who dared cross his property, 542 00:25:50,417 --> 00:25:52,549 Even when he was outnumbered. 543 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:53,718 - You could see on that video 544 00:25:53,786 --> 00:25:56,186 That he was not scared of those hunters, 545 00:25:56,188 --> 00:26:00,258 And to accept his story that he was terrified of tim newman-- 546 00:26:00,326 --> 00:26:03,060 A man, a neighbor of his that he had known, 547 00:26:03,129 --> 00:26:04,629 Just seemed implausible. 548 00:26:04,697 --> 00:26:06,931 - Nor was that an isolated incident. 549 00:26:06,999 --> 00:26:08,266 - Your relationship with mr. Campbell-- 550 00:26:08,334 --> 00:26:11,068 How would you describe that relationship? 551 00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:13,937 - One word-- miserable. 552 00:26:13,939 --> 00:26:16,674 - And he looked up at me, and he said, 553 00:26:16,742 --> 00:26:18,275 "I don't know who the (bleep) you are, mister, 554 00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:19,477 "but you're trespassing, 555 00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:22,146 "and I don't ever want to see you again." 556 00:26:22,214 --> 00:26:25,482 - This woman was an army colonel on leave from iraq 557 00:26:25,551 --> 00:26:27,484 Out on a ride with her father 558 00:26:27,553 --> 00:26:30,688 When they were confronted by campbell and his shotgun. 559 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:33,157 - Again, he's like "hey, sweetheart, who are you?" 560 00:26:33,159 --> 00:26:35,292 Both my dad and I told him to put the gun down. 561 00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:37,027 We were just tryin' to go on a horseback ride, 562 00:26:37,096 --> 00:26:38,029 And I told him, I'm like, 563 00:26:38,097 --> 00:26:39,898 "hey, I have to go back to iraq tomorrow." 564 00:26:39,965 --> 00:26:42,099 But he refused to put the shotgun down. 565 00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:44,067 And then he started waving. He's like, "this is my property, 566 00:26:44,136 --> 00:26:45,268 "and this is my property, 567 00:26:45,337 --> 00:26:47,637 "and you can't be on my property." 568 00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:49,908 - The prosecutors argued that the clearest proof 569 00:26:49,975 --> 00:26:52,909 That joe campbell intended and planned 570 00:26:52,979 --> 00:26:56,313 To kill tim newman-- his own words. 571 00:26:56,382 --> 00:26:58,582 Like what he said to the deputy county attorney 572 00:26:58,651 --> 00:27:01,385 Who declined to prosecute tim for cutting locks. 573 00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:03,520 This was days before the shooting. 574 00:27:03,589 --> 00:27:05,322 - He told me that if I wasn't going 575 00:27:05,391 --> 00:27:08,258 To take care of mr. Newman, that he would. 576 00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:10,794 - And this one. - He did refer to tim 577 00:27:10,796 --> 00:27:14,231 Leavin' the top of the mountain in a body bag. 578 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,466 - Joe's words to a contractor, 579 00:27:16,535 --> 00:27:19,002 Two days before the shooting-- 580 00:27:19,071 --> 00:27:23,073 - He cleared his jacket back from his pistol 581 00:27:23,142 --> 00:27:27,278 And touched his side like that, and he stated that, 582 00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:31,348 "the next time I see tim newman, I'm gonna put him down. 583 00:27:31,417 --> 00:27:33,417 "I'm gonna put him down, lamonte." 584 00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:34,685 Those were his words. 585 00:27:34,687 --> 00:27:37,087 - He said he was gonna kill 'em, and then he killed 'em. 586 00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:38,890 It was murder. 587 00:27:38,957 --> 00:27:41,825 - The rule in montana is as clear as day. 588 00:27:41,894 --> 00:27:45,229 You can defend your castle, if you're threatened. 589 00:27:45,231 --> 00:27:47,031 Absent a threat, 590 00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:50,101 Then murder is what it is, 591 00:27:50,169 --> 00:27:54,205 And what could joe campbell possibly say about that? 592 00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:57,974 Well, as it turned out, lots. 593 00:28:01,413 --> 00:28:03,280 - I was tryin' to stay alive. 594 00:28:06,852 --> 00:28:08,852 That's all I wanted to do. 595 00:28:08,921 --> 00:28:11,655 It was him or me, and I-I shot him. 596 00:28:11,657 --> 00:28:13,723 I did. 597 00:28:13,793 --> 00:28:17,094 - Dramatic testimony from the accused, 598 00:28:17,096 --> 00:28:19,830 When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 599 00:28:23,768 --> 00:28:34,077 ♪♪ 600 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:37,614 - Point of view can change everything, can't it? 601 00:28:37,683 --> 00:28:40,283 Perspective. 602 00:28:40,352 --> 00:28:43,621 Even in the crisp, clear montana air where here, 603 00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:46,157 Inside the grand old courtroom, 604 00:28:46,225 --> 00:28:49,726 The view was about to get decidedly hazier. 605 00:28:49,795 --> 00:28:52,028 - It's about self-defense. 606 00:28:52,097 --> 00:28:54,097 That's what this case is about. 607 00:28:54,099 --> 00:28:57,301 - This is joe campbell's attorney, greg jackson, 608 00:28:57,303 --> 00:29:01,238 Who wanted the jury to see a justifiable shooting 609 00:29:01,307 --> 00:29:04,641 By a terrified man in fear for his own life. 610 00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:18,789 - All that fancy forensic testimony 611 00:29:18,791 --> 00:29:22,259 Bolstered by legendary forensic pathologist dr. Werner spitz 612 00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:25,329 To show joe first shot tim in the back? 613 00:29:25,331 --> 00:29:27,797 Just spin, said the defense. 614 00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:30,868 Besides, the defense had its own legend. 615 00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:33,838 Dr. Vincent di maio was a pathologist 616 00:29:33,905 --> 00:29:37,741 Who wrote the book on gunshot wounds and said-- 617 00:29:37,809 --> 00:29:40,343 - You have to have some description 618 00:29:40,412 --> 00:29:42,546 As to where the shooter is, 619 00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:45,282 And then, you could say, "this is consistent" 620 00:29:45,351 --> 00:29:48,418 Or "no, no, it's not consistent at all." 621 00:29:48,487 --> 00:29:52,155 - In this case, dr. Di maio came to a far different conclusion 622 00:29:52,224 --> 00:29:53,891 Than the prosecution experts. 623 00:29:53,893 --> 00:29:58,094 - There is nothing to disprove mr. Campbell's story. 624 00:29:58,163 --> 00:30:00,631 - Dr. Di maio offered his own theory-- 625 00:30:00,699 --> 00:30:03,933 That tim could've been jumping or falling backwards 626 00:30:04,003 --> 00:30:06,570 When the first bullet hit his hand and chest 627 00:30:06,572 --> 00:30:09,573 And then the second shot hit him in the back. 628 00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:11,241 Dueling experts? 629 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,377 Maybe they'd cancel each other. 630 00:30:13,379 --> 00:30:14,378 But if joe campbell 631 00:30:14,446 --> 00:30:17,647 Was going to walk out of the courtroom a free man, 632 00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:22,185 The defense had to hope the jury perceived him and her 633 00:30:22,254 --> 00:30:25,789 In a favorable way. - Joe campbell's my husband. 634 00:30:25,857 --> 00:30:28,725 - And so, here was tani converse, 635 00:30:28,794 --> 00:30:30,393 Joe campbell's wife... 636 00:30:30,462 --> 00:30:32,662 - And how long have you two been married? 637 00:30:32,731 --> 00:30:35,532 - Twenty-three years. - ...And the only other survivor 638 00:30:35,601 --> 00:30:38,269 Of that confrontation on the hill. 639 00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:41,204 So far, you've heard that joe campbell was a bully. 640 00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:42,606 - There isn't any right of way through here. 641 00:30:42,608 --> 00:30:45,742 - That he was a threatening, mean, and dangerous old man. 642 00:30:45,744 --> 00:30:47,578 Unafraid and aggressive. 643 00:30:47,646 --> 00:30:49,747 But tani told the jury 644 00:30:49,815 --> 00:30:52,016 That in the weeks before the shooting, 645 00:30:52,084 --> 00:30:55,887 It was tim newman driving a pick-up who confronted them 646 00:30:55,954 --> 00:30:58,355 As they walked to their horse pasture. 647 00:30:58,423 --> 00:31:01,358 - He said, "joe and tani, 648 00:31:01,427 --> 00:31:03,961 "finally found you." 649 00:31:03,963 --> 00:31:06,897 Joe just said, uh, "tim, 650 00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:08,498 "we've given you a notice 651 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,100 "that you're not welcome on our place. 652 00:31:10,102 --> 00:31:11,835 "please don't harass us." 653 00:31:11,837 --> 00:31:13,103 - Were you afraid of him 654 00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:14,170 When you were next to the road there? 655 00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:17,107 - I was startled. Joe just said, "let's go." 656 00:31:17,176 --> 00:31:19,576 And he just hollered out the-- 657 00:31:19,645 --> 00:31:23,381 Out his window, um, 658 00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:26,984 "come on, let's just get it over with right now." 659 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:29,119 And then, he did drive off. 660 00:31:29,188 --> 00:31:33,124 - And that's why, she said, she and joe were afraid of tim, 661 00:31:33,191 --> 00:31:35,392 And why, on October 18th, 662 00:31:35,461 --> 00:31:37,460 As she and joe walked toward home, 663 00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:40,864 They were alarmed to see tim coming up behind them. 664 00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:42,732 - What were the things that made you believe 665 00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:44,734 That he was gonna physically harm you? 666 00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:47,203 - Well, if he was just wanting to cut the lock, 667 00:31:47,272 --> 00:31:50,039 Why would he chase us up the hill? 668 00:31:50,109 --> 00:31:52,877 Why would he do that? We were watching him. 669 00:31:52,945 --> 00:31:56,146 He was on his atv, and he was off his atv, 670 00:31:56,214 --> 00:31:58,214 And he was grabbing the bolt cutters. 671 00:31:58,283 --> 00:32:02,486 He was unpredictable. He was highly agitated. 672 00:32:02,554 --> 00:32:05,088 - So, what do you and joe decide to do next? 673 00:32:05,157 --> 00:32:08,492 - Joe just kept sayin' "you need to try to get outta here. 674 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,628 "you need to try to get safe. You need to try to get home. 675 00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:13,897 "you need to call the sheriff." 676 00:32:13,899 --> 00:32:17,300 I didn't wanna leave joe. 677 00:32:17,369 --> 00:32:19,303 - But she did leave, she said, 678 00:32:19,371 --> 00:32:22,839 And on her way to calling 9-1-1, heard gunshots, 679 00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:26,309 Placed the call, rushed back, and-- 680 00:32:26,311 --> 00:32:29,379 - I saw joe standing at the gate, and he said, 681 00:32:29,448 --> 00:32:32,749 "he came at me with a gun, and I didn't have a choice." 682 00:32:37,122 --> 00:32:40,590 Then I saw mr. Newman lying on the ground. 683 00:32:40,592 --> 00:32:43,793 - In their sometimes-intense cross-examination, 684 00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:47,130 Prosecutors pointed out, not so gently, 685 00:32:47,199 --> 00:32:50,667 That elements of tani's story had changed also, 686 00:32:50,736 --> 00:32:52,802 From previous interviews. 687 00:32:52,871 --> 00:32:56,139 But altered or not, her story was emotional. 688 00:32:56,208 --> 00:32:57,541 [sighing] 689 00:32:57,543 --> 00:32:59,877 As was joe campbell's. 690 00:32:59,945 --> 00:33:02,212 - Call joe campbell to the stand. 691 00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:07,083 - So, kindly and sometimes frightened grandfather of seven, 692 00:33:07,152 --> 00:33:08,618 Or neighborhood bully, 693 00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:10,420 The man who brandished weapons at neighbors 694 00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:12,355 And strangers alike? 695 00:33:12,357 --> 00:33:16,027 The defense set about changing perceptions. 696 00:33:16,094 --> 00:33:18,261 - You're on private property without permission. 697 00:33:18,263 --> 00:33:20,430 - The neighbors? The hunters? 698 00:33:20,499 --> 00:33:22,033 - Did you threaten 'em with a shotgun, 699 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:24,435 Anything of that nature? - No. 700 00:33:24,503 --> 00:33:27,871 Just-- they were trespassin', and I asked 'em to leave. 701 00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:30,106 - The army colonel and her father? 702 00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:33,043 - Ever pointed a shotgun at 'em? 703 00:33:33,045 --> 00:33:34,711 - No, sir. 704 00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:36,312 - But there was no getting around the fact 705 00:33:36,381 --> 00:33:38,115 That he told the deputy da 706 00:33:38,117 --> 00:33:42,452 He was going to take care of tim newman himself. 707 00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:45,523 Couldn't be more than one way to perceive that, 708 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:46,590 Could there? 709 00:33:46,658 --> 00:33:49,092 - We were gonna get, uh-- take a legal action. 710 00:33:49,161 --> 00:33:51,594 We were really frustrated. I was really frustrated. 711 00:33:51,663 --> 00:33:53,463 - Legal action. 712 00:33:53,465 --> 00:33:56,266 That's how he intended to take care of tim newman, said joe. 713 00:33:56,268 --> 00:33:59,069 He was just a peaceful-- if frustrated-- man, he said. 714 00:33:59,137 --> 00:34:00,537 And he was terrified 715 00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:03,073 When tim newman chased tani and him up the hill 716 00:34:03,075 --> 00:34:06,610 In a rage that day in October 2013. 717 00:34:06,678 --> 00:34:09,013 Man had murder in his eyes, said joe. 718 00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:12,083 - It's hard to stand up here and say it in front of everybody, 719 00:34:12,150 --> 00:34:14,985 But I was tryin' to stay alive. 720 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:21,292 That's all I wanted to do. 721 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:22,692 I was thinkin' about tani. 722 00:34:22,694 --> 00:34:26,429 I was thinkin' about my kids, my grandkids. 723 00:34:26,498 --> 00:34:29,299 It was him or me and I-I shot him. 724 00:34:29,368 --> 00:34:33,169 I did. 725 00:34:33,238 --> 00:34:34,904 - Had joe campbell succeeded 726 00:34:34,973 --> 00:34:37,441 In changing the jury's perception? 727 00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:39,844 Before mr. Campbell could leave the witness stand, 728 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:43,246 Prosecutor dan guzynski got a chance to cross-examine him 729 00:34:43,315 --> 00:34:46,049 And again present the bully of the mountain 730 00:34:46,117 --> 00:34:48,451 The neighbors said they knew all too well. 731 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,988 - Lamonte moultray says that approximately two, 732 00:34:52,057 --> 00:34:55,658 Three days before you shot and killed mr. Newman 733 00:34:55,727 --> 00:34:59,596 That you told him "I am going to put him down." 734 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:01,731 Did you say that to mr. Moultray? 735 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,601 - I did not. 736 00:35:03,668 --> 00:35:05,735 - So all these people came into court, 737 00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:08,471 Took an oath, and have lied in front of this jury. 738 00:35:08,473 --> 00:35:12,810 Is that right? - Objection, your honor. 739 00:35:12,878 --> 00:35:14,544 - Ultimately, the prosecutors said, 740 00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:17,614 Joe campbell could have avoided a confrontation. 741 00:35:17,683 --> 00:35:19,949 Could have, but did not, 742 00:35:19,951 --> 00:35:22,552 Because he wanted it. 743 00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:28,625 - All you have to do to save your wife, to save yourself, 744 00:35:28,693 --> 00:35:32,629 Is to turn downhill and walk, jog, 745 00:35:32,631 --> 00:35:36,567 Run down that hill to safety. 746 00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:38,302 - But we-- I looked at some of those options, 747 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:40,436 Mr. Guzynski, and it's a hell of a lot harder 748 00:35:40,505 --> 00:35:43,039 Up there on the hillside when somebody's threatening you 749 00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:47,211 Than it is to stand in a courtroom 2 1/2 years later. 750 00:35:47,279 --> 00:35:50,181 - So if you were a juror, 751 00:35:50,248 --> 00:35:52,515 What would you think about joe campbell 752 00:35:52,584 --> 00:35:54,717 And the gunplay on the mountain? 753 00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:57,754 Was it murder or self-defense? 754 00:36:01,593 --> 00:36:02,860 - Waiting for the jury. 755 00:36:02,928 --> 00:36:05,061 - There's so much anxiousness. 756 00:36:05,063 --> 00:36:06,796 - Hoping for justice. 757 00:36:06,865 --> 00:36:08,932 - Who is this guy that can just steal 758 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,669 Such a beautiful soul from this world? 759 00:36:12,737 --> 00:36:15,673 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 760 00:36:20,144 --> 00:36:25,683 ♪♪ 761 00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:28,352 - On the 3rd of March, 2016, 762 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:29,886 In the old supreme court chamber 763 00:36:29,955 --> 00:36:32,155 At montana state capitol building, 764 00:36:32,157 --> 00:36:34,358 The question went to the jury. 765 00:36:34,426 --> 00:36:37,560 Did joe campbell have a right to shoot tim newman? 766 00:36:37,629 --> 00:36:39,695 Was it self-defense, 767 00:36:39,765 --> 00:36:42,233 Or was it cold-blooded murder? 768 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,701 Neighbors dan and sue delarosa waited 769 00:36:44,703 --> 00:36:47,704 And willed their thoughts into the jury room. 770 00:36:47,773 --> 00:36:49,239 - I believe he murdered him. 771 00:36:49,307 --> 00:36:52,108 - Murder. Absolutely. 772 00:36:52,177 --> 00:36:53,176 - Though they knew full well 773 00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:55,245 That since montana passed a new law 774 00:36:55,247 --> 00:36:58,181 Legalizing certain kinds of self-defense, 775 00:36:58,249 --> 00:37:01,317 It was hard to know what a jury might decide. 776 00:37:01,386 --> 00:37:02,852 - If they find him not guilty, he moves up, 777 00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:06,589 There'll-there'll be "for sale" signs everywhere up there. 778 00:37:06,658 --> 00:37:10,393 - So, nervous hours around the old courtroom, 779 00:37:10,462 --> 00:37:12,895 Which turned into a whole day, 780 00:37:12,964 --> 00:37:14,798 And then a second. 781 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,799 - There's so much-- just anxiousness 782 00:37:16,868 --> 00:37:19,336 Just waiting for the jury to come back. 783 00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:20,603 - And then? 784 00:37:20,605 --> 00:37:22,939 Just after noon, day two, 785 00:37:23,008 --> 00:37:26,075 The jury sent the judge a note. 786 00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:27,543 - Please be seated. 787 00:37:27,612 --> 00:37:30,346 - And everybody was summoned to the courtroom. 788 00:37:30,415 --> 00:37:32,882 - I am told that, uh, 789 00:37:32,884 --> 00:37:35,219 You folks are hopelessly deadlocked, 790 00:37:35,287 --> 00:37:38,154 And that even if given more time, 791 00:37:38,223 --> 00:37:41,691 You couldn't reasonably expect to reach a decision. 792 00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:43,627 Is that your understanding of events? 793 00:37:43,695 --> 00:37:44,894 - Yes, your honor. 794 00:37:44,896 --> 00:37:46,362 - I'm gonna declare a mistrial. 795 00:37:46,431 --> 00:37:48,032 - A mistrial. 796 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:51,235 Three weeks of testimony, all for naught. 797 00:37:51,303 --> 00:37:54,103 - And the state may or may not bring the case again. 798 00:37:54,172 --> 00:37:56,707 We're done here. Thank you. 799 00:37:56,775 --> 00:37:57,908 - I couldn't believe it. 800 00:37:57,976 --> 00:38:00,643 It was a complete shock, I think, for the whole family 801 00:38:00,645 --> 00:38:03,379 That he could just leave that courtroom 802 00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:05,848 And not have a guilty or a not guilty 803 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:09,252 And just, like, nothin' happened. 804 00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:11,821 Like nothing happened. 805 00:38:11,823 --> 00:38:14,457 - What was the state to do? 806 00:38:14,526 --> 00:38:16,592 Well, in this case, said the prosecutors, 807 00:38:16,661 --> 00:38:18,261 The decision was obvious. 808 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:20,797 They offered joe campbell a plea deal, 809 00:38:20,865 --> 00:38:24,867 And they scheduled a retrial because-- 810 00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:26,335 - It's a dangerous situation, 811 00:38:26,405 --> 00:38:29,807 And I'm concerned it'll be repeated, 812 00:38:29,874 --> 00:38:31,942 And somebody else will be killed. 813 00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:35,211 - Joe campbell remained out on bail with the proviso 814 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,415 That he remain at least ten miles away from his property 815 00:38:38,417 --> 00:38:40,216 Up on the mountain. 816 00:38:40,285 --> 00:38:42,552 But... 817 00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:46,223 Less than three months later, may 2016, 818 00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:50,260 Joe campbell elected not to face a second trial. 819 00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:53,563 Instead, he walked into a courtroom 820 00:38:53,565 --> 00:38:56,966 And waived his claim that the shooting was legal. 821 00:38:57,035 --> 00:38:59,903 - How do you plead to the charge of negligent homicide? 822 00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:01,438 - No contest, your honor. 823 00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:03,640 - A plea of no contest, 824 00:39:03,642 --> 00:39:06,376 Meaning campbell neither admitted nor denied the charge 825 00:39:06,378 --> 00:39:09,512 That he committed negligent homicide, 826 00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:10,648 A reduced charge 827 00:39:10,715 --> 00:39:13,516 From the original allegation of intentional homicide, 828 00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:16,185 Montana's parlance for first-degree murder. 829 00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:17,988 - I believe it's in the best interest of myself 830 00:39:18,056 --> 00:39:19,322 And my family. 831 00:39:19,391 --> 00:39:21,324 - In a case like this, said the prosecutors, 832 00:39:21,393 --> 00:39:22,793 You take what you can get. 833 00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:24,928 - We're focusing on community protection, 834 00:39:24,996 --> 00:39:27,263 And we think it's probably the best agreement 835 00:39:27,332 --> 00:39:28,331 That we could reach 836 00:39:28,399 --> 00:39:31,201 And have a guaranteed resolution of this case. 837 00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:33,736 - Before the judge pronounced campbell's sentence, 838 00:39:33,805 --> 00:39:36,807 Tim newman's wife jackie went to the podium. 839 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:40,676 - Just because you are callous and have no remorse, 840 00:39:40,745 --> 00:39:43,881 I want you to be aware, as tim's wife... 841 00:39:45,417 --> 00:39:49,419 You have affected our lives in a horrendous way. 842 00:39:49,421 --> 00:39:52,755 - Tim's daughter, kristy, also sent a statement, 843 00:39:52,757 --> 00:39:55,758 Unable to be present because she just had a baby, 844 00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:58,628 A granddaughter tim never got to see. 845 00:39:58,630 --> 00:40:02,365 - My dad died a hero. What will you die? 846 00:40:02,433 --> 00:40:04,967 - It makes me very angry, yeah. 847 00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:07,104 Very upset. Very sad. 848 00:40:07,172 --> 00:40:10,840 Like, who-who is this guy that can just steal 849 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:14,777 Such a beautiful soul from this world? 850 00:40:14,779 --> 00:40:18,381 - The judge offered joe a chance to explain or apologize. 851 00:40:18,449 --> 00:40:20,516 - Is there anything that you would like to say? 852 00:40:20,585 --> 00:40:21,851 - No, your honor. 853 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,321 - Campbell also declined a chance to explain on "dateline." 854 00:40:25,323 --> 00:40:27,790 His lawyer issued a statement which reads, in part... 855 00:40:43,208 --> 00:40:45,141 - For your pleas of nolo contendere-- 856 00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:46,609 - The sentence? 857 00:40:46,678 --> 00:40:49,546 It was, of course, part of joe's deal with the state. 858 00:40:49,614 --> 00:40:53,349 Twenty years, but not in any prison. 859 00:40:53,418 --> 00:40:56,018 All of it a suspended sentence. 860 00:40:56,087 --> 00:40:58,955 - And no fines or restitution is imposed. 861 00:40:59,023 --> 00:41:01,824 - But as the neighbors listened, the judge told joe 862 00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:05,429 He'll have to abide by some very important conditions. 863 00:41:05,497 --> 00:41:09,298 He'll never again be allowed to possess a firearm. 864 00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:11,168 And for 20 years, 865 00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:13,836 Even if the old man manages to live that long, 866 00:41:13,905 --> 00:41:16,172 He cannot return to the mountain 867 00:41:16,174 --> 00:41:18,241 He once called home. 868 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:22,079 He will never again set foot in his house, his forest, 869 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:26,048 His trails, his precious property. 870 00:41:26,117 --> 00:41:27,184 Ironic, isn't it? 871 00:41:27,252 --> 00:41:30,019 You care so much about your property 872 00:41:30,088 --> 00:41:31,921 That you never get to see it again. 873 00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:35,525 - Yeah. - Yeah. It's very ironic. 874 00:41:35,593 --> 00:41:37,927 You know, before he owned all the big property, 875 00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:40,263 He recreated just like all of us. 876 00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:41,864 - Yeah. 877 00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:44,333 - And he walked down those trails 878 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,069 Across everyone else's property 879 00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:48,738 And-and hunted and enjoyed it, 880 00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:49,872 And life was good. 881 00:41:49,941 --> 00:41:52,742 But when he decided he needed to take control 882 00:41:52,744 --> 00:41:56,013 Is when it all changed. 883 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,347 - It's like a fable, isn't it? 884 00:41:58,416 --> 00:42:00,617 - Yes. - Aesop could've written it. 885 00:42:00,619 --> 00:42:02,285 - There you go. - Yep. 886 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:03,886 - Huh. 887 00:42:03,955 --> 00:42:06,889 And if tim newman were on a cloud up there somewhere, 888 00:42:06,891 --> 00:42:10,092 Said his daughter kristy, he'd be telling her-- 889 00:42:10,161 --> 00:42:14,563 Well, she knows exactly what he'd say. 890 00:42:14,633 --> 00:42:18,168 - "I'm sorry. Sorry, darlin'. 891 00:42:18,236 --> 00:42:22,238 "sorry for goin' up to that gate without someone with me. 892 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,507 "I'm sorry I'm not there to meet my granddaughter. 893 00:42:26,978 --> 00:42:30,646 "I'm sorry we can't go on another hike together." 894 00:42:30,715 --> 00:42:32,850 Or "I love you." you know. 895 00:42:32,917 --> 00:42:35,051 - Praise the lord for this country. 896 00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:39,922 ♪♪ 897 00:42:39,991 --> 00:42:41,457 - And that's all for this edition 898 00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:43,993 Of "dateline: Secrets uncovered." 899 00:42:43,995 --> 00:42:46,696 I'm craig melvin. Thank you for watching.