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panel show, I've Got A Secret.

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Now, panel, for reasons
which will become obvious,

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this gentleman on my left
will be known as Mr. X.

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I will tell you this, however,
that he is from Wales.

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He is a Welshman,
and, also, he is a musician.

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We'll be back in just 20 seconds.

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How much heroin
do you buy then each day?

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Twenty-nine grams.
Four or five dollars--

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Levittown, USA.
The carefully planned commu--

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From Dallas, Texas, the flash
apparently official, President Kennedy--

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One, two, three.

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This is John Cale, a composer-musician

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who last week performed in a concert
to end all concerts.

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What was really unusual
about this particular concert?

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Well, the performance took 18 hours.

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Can any of you guess
what Mr. Schenzer's secret then is?

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He was the only one who lasted
in the audience for the full 18 hours.

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Why is he doing this?

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How come it took
18 hours and 40 minutes to play this?

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Well, there's an instruction
by the composer Erik Satie here,

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which says that this piece of music here

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must be repeated 840 times.

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What would move a man
to say you must play it 840 times to--

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-for it to be complete?
-I have no idea.

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Wind
Wind blow

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Wind
Wind blow

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Wind
Wind blow

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Wind
Wind blow

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"I feel as if I were
in a motion picture theater.

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The long arm of light
crossing the darkness and spinning.

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My eyes fixed on the screen.

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The shots themselves
are full of dots and rays.

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I am anonymous and have forgotten myself.

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It is always so
when one goes to the movies.

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It is, as they say, a drug."

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In a dream that the wind brings to me

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We moved out
to Long Island when I was four.

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Lou would've been nine.

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We lived in a suburb, Freeport.

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Coming from Brooklyn
to this isolated suburban community,

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that was a hard, hard transition for him.

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In my arms

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Wind, wind

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My mom was a homemaker.

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My father wanted to be a novelist,
an author.

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My grandmother said,
"No, you're gonna be an accountant."

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So he became an accountant.

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If you were looking
for central casting

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to cast a 1950s family
where father knows best,

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I don't think he had much to do
with his father. His father worked.

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He was not the kinda guy
that you'd go out and toss a ball with.

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I don't know
what my father's aspirations for Lou were.

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Maybe he thought
he would take over the business.

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My father's aspirations for me
were no doubt

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that I should make very good chicken soup.

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There wasn't a lot of, you know, "Let's go
to the circus. Let's go to the muse--"

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There was none of that.

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I know she is gone
But my love…

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Early music training was classical piano.

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I first picked up a guitar probably
10 or 11, and I took one lesson.

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I think I had brought in
"Blue Suede Shoes"

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and said, "Teach me how to play this."

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That's not really, I think,
what they were there for.

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So that was the end of my music lesson,

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so I learned guitar from the--
playing along with records.

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Doo-wop. The Paragons, the Jesters,
the Diablos.

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And rockabilly.

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And Lou always said to me

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that he wanted to ultimately
become a rock star very early on.

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This was in high school.

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When I was 14, I made my first record,
"Leave Her for Me."

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The final disappointment for me

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was the night Murray the K
was supposed to play it on the radio,

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and he was sick.

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Paul Sherman played it instead,
and I was absolutely devastated.

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We were all sitting by the radio.

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And we got a royalty check for $2.79,

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which in fact turned out to be a lot more
than I made with the Velvet Underground.

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Take all the blossoms…

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There was a place called the Hayloft,

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and he used to go there alone to play.

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Leave me my baby

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It was known to be a gay nightclub.

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I once asked him why he wanted
to play in gay nightclubs.

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And he said
it's just a cool group of people.

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Please leave her for me
Leave my baby

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The band booked gigs in the city.

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He was still in high school.

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And I think that certainly that set
the ground for difficulties in my home.

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We were living in my grandmother's house.

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And my grandmother
was very thoroughly nationalistic.

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One thing she didn't like was that
my mother had married an Englishman

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and didn't speak Welsh.

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Not only did she marry an Englishman,
she married a coal miner,

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which she spent years
pushing all the other kids out of.

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She made sure that all her boys
and my mother all went into education.

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When they got married and my father
moved into the house,

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my grandmother banned the use
of English in the house.

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Until I learned English in school
at seven,

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I couldn't communicate with my father.

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The antipathy
that I got from my grandmother

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was really some form of hatred.

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A little bit grim.

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My mother taught me piano
for a little while

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until I got to a certain point,

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and then she turned me over
to somebody else.

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Yeah, she held it together for me.

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I mean, I'm talking about, like,
maybe at six or seven years of age.

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The life of the imagination
was the life of the radio.

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And by that time, I'd figured out the way
that I really could use the radio

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was to tune into all
the foreign broadcasts.

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Get Suisse Romande and Radio Moscow.

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When I got to grammar school, they had
an orchestra, and I wanted to play.

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So I went looking for a violin,
and they didn't have any violins.

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But they had a viola, so I got the viola.

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They had Bach pieces,
cello pieces for viola.

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Which was really good.
You got all your chops going.

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But then there was
the Paganini Caprices…

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that I sort of stunned my teacher

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saying that I was gonna learn
the Paganini Caprices.

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My mother, she had an operation
on her breasts.

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She disappears and goes to
this isolation hospital

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which had 25-foot walls outside.

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And my father would take me up
and hold me up.

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She vanished.

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Things started going off the rails.

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I was on my own.

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My father kept going to work.
I mean, I just felt very isolated.

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I couldn't talk to my father about
any of the things that were going on.

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I couldn't talk to my mother
about what was going on.

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So I got taken advantage of,
and I didn't know what to do about it.

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I had this piece that I remembered
the opening of the piece,

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but I didn't remember the ending of it.

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So I had to improvise my way
through the ending of it.

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I mean, I did a pretty good job
of ending the piece.

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I mean, of really carving an arc for it,
and I got out of it.

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When I came out of that room,
at first I was really scared.

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And I didn't know what the hell was
gonna happen, but then it happened.

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That moment of it happening,

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that was what made a difference
really early on

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about how to work your way
out of a problem.

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Being afraid of what's about to happen
is not a problem.

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It was the birth of improvisation.

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Slowly, things started focusing on
what I was planning on doing.

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And I think I'd really made
a practical decision.

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I thought, "I want to be a conductor."

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In addition, it was really clear
that I had to get out of the valleys.

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You know, there's nothing here.
I was desperate to get out of that place.

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But if it wasn't for that one time
when I got scared out of my wits

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and had to perform and finish
something off elegantly.

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That really stood me in good stead.

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You killed your European son

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You spit on those under 21

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But now your blue cars are gone

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You better say so long
Hey, hey, hey, bye, bye, bye

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New York, during the wartime,

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became a place where artists escaped.

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So it was a meeting of New York

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and the best artists' minds
from Paris and from Berlin.

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You better say so long
Your clowns bid you goodbye

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New York at the end of the '50s.
And now we are going to the '60s.

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While French Nouvelle Vague
had Cinémathèque Française,

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we had our 42nd Street.

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Every night we went to 42nd Street,

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where there were, like, 15 other--
no, maybe 20 movie houses.

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And that was the period
when all of the arts

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and also styles of life began changing.

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They climaxed into the '60s.

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We are not part, really, of subculture
or counterculture. We are the culture!

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Painters, musicians, filmmakers.

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They were not so much interested
in telling narrative stories.

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The poetic aspect of cinema brought cinema
to the level of the other arts.

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Beginning January '62,

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my studio, the Film-Makers' Cooperative,

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became a meeting ground
of all the filmmakers.

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Every evening there were screenings.

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And that's where Andy used to hang around.

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But I did not know that he was Andy.

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He was just sitting on the floor
with all the others.

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And that's where he met
his early superstars

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like Mario Montez
and Jack Smith and Gerard Malanga.

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That was Andy's film school.

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When I got to Goldsmiths,

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it was really a free-flowing
educational institution.

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They gave me viola lessons and
composition classes with Humphrey Searle.

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He understood Cage and all those
people that I was delving into.

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John Cage and "Water Walk."

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John Cage was
the leading avant-garde figure

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in music in New York and in America.

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But I think La Monte
was getting ready to take over.

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I got this Bernstein Fellowship.
They paid for my travel and whatever.

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You're in that background of-- with--
Mrs. Koussevitzky is still alive.

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She has afternoon soirees
for the students.

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Well, they wouldn't let me perform
because they were too violent.

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I asked Harry Kraut, who ran the program--
He asked if these pieces are violent.

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Most of the piece was really
being inside the piano

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and hitting the inside
of the piano or whatever.

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Then I got an ax.

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And I remember that one of the people
in the front row got up and ran out.

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And that was Mrs. Koussevitzky.
She was-- She was in tears,

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and I said,
"Wow, I'm really sorry that…"

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Yeah, she was upset for a little,
but don't worry.

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We took her out for cocktails afterwards.
She was fine.

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By that time I had met Cornelius Cardew,
and we were hanging out.

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You know, you had somebody who
understood what you were talking about.

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And Cornelius had met La Monte.

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La Monte Young was next in line
to take over from John Cage.

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Getting to Tanglewood
was my way to get to La Monte.

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There has been a breakdown

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to the point to where, you know,
it's not music anymore.

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We'll see you next week. Take care, now.

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After one had met La Monte, that was over.

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You know, everybody wants to do
something razzmatazz, and look at me.

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I was doing something that was intended

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to take you into a very high
spiritual state.

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Nobody had ever written a piece before me

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that consisted
of all long, sustained tones.

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Well, John was Welsh.

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He wrote us a--
He wrote us a letter from…

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-From Wales. Or from London maybe.
-Or Wales or the UK someplace.

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Someplace in the UK,

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and he said he wanted
to come over and study and…

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Yeah.

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-We-- I guess we said he could.
-Sure.

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I didn't get to New York until 1963.

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And it was my first time in New York,
and I was appalled. It was…

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You know, the steam
coming up from the sidewalks.

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"Holy shit. This place is filthy."

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So really La Monte's drones
and all of that was reassuring.

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Here we were back in music,

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focusing on what-- what are we gonna hear.

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We're hearing drone, but really,
we were studying natural harmonics.

238
00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:35,617
I got a call from Lou, and he said
to me that he was very depressed.

239
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He said he was taking some treatments.

240
00:18:38,370 --> 00:18:44,000
He thought that his parents were trying
to shock the gayness out of him.

241
00:18:45,502 --> 00:18:48,296
I didn't believe a word of it,
knowing his parents.

242
00:18:50,131 --> 00:18:52,509
Whether or not you want to say,

243
00:18:52,592 --> 00:18:58,139
"Well, was he was clinically depressed?
Was he using an enormous amount of drugs?"

244
00:18:59,391 --> 00:19:03,478
I think the tenor of the times
was not helpful.

245
00:19:03,562 --> 00:19:07,399
And the available help at the time
was dismal.

246
00:19:07,482 --> 00:19:09,985
So when you ask about Lou
in that time, I get upset.

247
00:19:10,068 --> 00:19:13,572
And I get upset because
of the misconceptions that take place.

248
00:19:13,655 --> 00:19:17,867
And because it doesn't do him service
and it doesn't do my parents service.

249
00:19:17,951 --> 00:19:23,665
And it is simplistic and cartoonish
to think that there's an easy explanation.

250
00:19:29,129 --> 00:19:30,672
He was gonna go to NYU.

251
00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,259
He made it through a semester and a half,
as I recall.

252
00:19:36,678 --> 00:19:41,224
He called me, and he said
that he was going to transfer to Syracuse.

253
00:19:53,737 --> 00:19:57,365
And when he got up to Syracuse,
he was a different person.

254
00:19:57,449 --> 00:19:59,784
Sullen, antagonistic.

255
00:19:59,868 --> 00:20:03,330
He was very rebellious
about practically everything.

256
00:20:06,166 --> 00:20:08,251
I had a hard time relating to him.

257
00:20:13,006 --> 00:20:15,008
We would get stoned, and we'd jam.

258
00:20:15,091 --> 00:20:19,888
We played Ray Charles, Frankie Lymon
once in a while. We played…

259
00:20:19,971 --> 00:20:23,767
We played fraternities
and sororities and bars.

260
00:20:23,850 --> 00:20:28,021
We were very bad,
so we had to change our name a lot.

261
00:20:28,104 --> 00:20:29,731
'Cause no one would hire us twice.

262
00:20:31,983 --> 00:20:35,904
There were times
when I would miss a cue or I would be off.

263
00:20:36,488 --> 00:20:38,949
And he would go crazy.

264
00:20:39,032 --> 00:20:42,244
He would turn around and smash the cymbal.

265
00:20:42,327 --> 00:20:44,204
He had no patience whatsoever.

266
00:20:44,287 --> 00:20:48,708
Any-- Anybody that wasn't absolutely
perfect and right on.

267
00:20:51,044 --> 00:20:53,421
We had a gig at St. Lawrence University

268
00:20:53,505 --> 00:20:56,424
on this boat on the Saint Lawrence River.

269
00:20:56,508 --> 00:20:58,176
Lou said, "I'm not playing on the boat."

270
00:20:58,260 --> 00:21:00,762
And I said,
"Lou, we have to play on the boat. Just"--

271
00:21:00,845 --> 00:21:03,139
He said, "I'm not." Boom!

272
00:21:03,223 --> 00:21:08,562
And he puts his hand through a glass pane
in a door and rips his hand up.

273
00:21:08,645 --> 00:21:11,773
So we had to take him to the hospital.
He gets stitches.

274
00:21:11,856 --> 00:21:15,110
And, if I remember, it was his right hand.

275
00:21:15,193 --> 00:21:17,487
So he said,
"Well, fuck you, I can't play."

276
00:21:17,571 --> 00:21:21,199
I said, "You can sing,
and you're a shitty guitar player anyway,

277
00:21:21,283 --> 00:21:23,034
so you'll be covered."

278
00:21:23,118 --> 00:21:25,495
And we did.

279
00:21:25,579 --> 00:21:27,664
He was like a three-year-old in many ways.

280
00:21:28,915 --> 00:21:30,750
Whoa, hey, merry-go-round

281
00:21:30,834 --> 00:21:34,045
We made a demo record called "Your Love."

282
00:21:34,129 --> 00:21:36,172
Your little love

283
00:21:36,256 --> 00:21:39,050
Your love, your little love

284
00:21:39,801 --> 00:21:43,847
I never thought I was a real whole man
Till your love

285
00:21:43,930 --> 00:21:47,809
We went to a meeting in the city

286
00:21:47,893 --> 00:21:51,855
with a guy who liked
some of Lou's demo tapes.

287
00:21:52,522 --> 00:21:54,691
And he turned to Lou, and he said to him,

288
00:21:54,774 --> 00:21:58,236
"So, what is it that you wanna do?
What do you want to accomplish?"

289
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,407
He said, "I wanna be rich,
and I wanna be a rock star.

290
00:22:02,490 --> 00:22:06,161
And I'm going to be rich,
and I'm going to be a rock star

291
00:22:06,244 --> 00:22:08,079
whether you handle my music or not."

292
00:22:08,163 --> 00:22:12,667
He was not comfortable in most places.

293
00:22:12,751 --> 00:22:14,586
And if he wasn't comfortable
to begin with,

294
00:22:14,669 --> 00:22:18,924
he really took advantage of it and
made everybody else uncomfortable.

295
00:22:19,007 --> 00:22:20,550
So that that was his comfort.

296
00:22:20,634 --> 00:22:24,679
I don't know why he was so insecure,
but I think he was terribly insecure.

297
00:22:24,763 --> 00:22:27,724
And I think he was insecure all his life.

298
00:22:28,683 --> 00:22:32,062
He was always very angry at people
for rejecting him,

299
00:22:33,146 --> 00:22:35,857
and so he was gonna
cut that friendship off first.

300
00:22:41,696 --> 00:22:47,577
In the dark church of music
which never is of land or sea alone

301
00:22:47,661 --> 00:22:51,289
But blooms within the air inside the mind

302
00:22:51,373 --> 00:22:57,087
Patterns in motion and action
Successions of processionals

303
00:22:57,170 --> 00:23:00,298
Moving with majesty of certainty

304
00:23:00,382 --> 00:23:02,717
To part the unparted curtains…

305
00:23:02,801 --> 00:23:05,095
And he's hanging out with Delmore by then.

306
00:23:07,597 --> 00:23:10,433
The person I looked up to the most
was Delmore Schwartz.

307
00:23:10,517 --> 00:23:15,063
I studied poetry with him,
but there were other things.

308
00:23:15,146 --> 00:23:18,024
These astonishing little essays
and short stories.

309
00:23:19,192 --> 00:23:26,032
I was amazed that someone could do that
with such simple, everyday language.

310
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,744
And Delmore Schwartz thought Lou had
a tremendous amount of talent

311
00:23:29,828 --> 00:23:32,581
and, as a matter of fact,
got a number of his poems published

312
00:23:32,664 --> 00:23:34,082
in the Evergreen Review.

313
00:23:34,666 --> 00:23:39,671
And his poetry was very heavy
on gay themes.

314
00:23:39,754 --> 00:23:41,464
Very dark gay themes.

315
00:23:41,548 --> 00:23:47,470
The idea of meeting men
in public bathrooms,

316
00:23:47,554 --> 00:23:53,602
having sex with a man near a urinal
and folding that into a poem.

317
00:23:53,685 --> 00:23:56,229
And when I read the-- one of these poems,

318
00:23:56,313 --> 00:23:59,316
and I said to him--
I said, "Lou, what the fuck?

319
00:24:00,191 --> 00:24:05,322
Where-- Where does all of this
degrading idea of sex come from?"

320
00:24:06,281 --> 00:24:10,493
He said, "If it's not dark and if it's not
degrading, it's not hot. It's not sex."

321
00:24:11,036 --> 00:24:13,121
He said,
"You couldn't possibly understand it.

322
00:24:13,204 --> 00:24:15,081
You're becoming a Republican."

323
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:22,005
Must've been Thanksgiving
or Christmas when we went to the Hayloft.

324
00:24:22,964 --> 00:24:25,800
I don't remember much about it,
other than it was a gay bar.

325
00:24:27,761 --> 00:24:32,515
There was a girl there named Action.
He tried to set me up with this girl.

326
00:24:33,225 --> 00:24:35,727
And I said, "Yeah, I'm not gay.
I don't wanna be gay.

327
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:38,021
I don't wanna experiment.
I'm not interested."

328
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,691
And he said, "Go dance with her." So,
"Oh, okay, I'll dance with her," you know.

329
00:24:43,193 --> 00:24:46,196
I think he took me there just to show me
where he was and what he did.

330
00:24:47,405 --> 00:24:49,282
And people said,
"Well, why didn't you care about that?

331
00:24:49,366 --> 00:24:52,244
How could you, you know,
be with him if he's with a guy?"

332
00:24:52,327 --> 00:24:54,454
And I said,
"That has nothing to do with me."

333
00:24:54,537 --> 00:24:57,666
And I'm not jealous.
It just didn't bother me.

334
00:25:00,085 --> 00:25:04,172
Much more horrifying was driving
into Manhattan, to Harlem,

335
00:25:04,256 --> 00:25:05,966
to pick up some-- I think it was heroin.

336
00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:08,927
And we'd go to literally
125th and Saint Nicholas.

337
00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:10,971
Go up into this apartment house.

338
00:25:11,054 --> 00:25:15,350
He liked very much taking me
to a place that was not safe.

339
00:25:16,726 --> 00:25:18,603
And he was just setting up a scenario

340
00:25:18,687 --> 00:25:21,314
that then he would have material
to write about.

341
00:25:23,692 --> 00:25:25,068
He was always writing.

342
00:25:25,151 --> 00:25:29,614
He was always writing either a story
or lyrics or a song.

343
00:25:29,698 --> 00:25:32,951
But he always was very clear
that there's no difference

344
00:25:33,034 --> 00:25:38,498
between being a writer of a book
and a writer of lyrics.

345
00:25:41,001 --> 00:25:47,090
Seventeen Voznesenskys
are groaning yet voiceless.

346
00:25:47,883 --> 00:25:51,595
My cries have been torn

347
00:25:51,678 --> 00:25:57,434
onto miles of magnetic tape
and endless red tongue.

348
00:25:57,517 --> 00:26:03,356
When I was in college,
I was very influenced by Ginsberg.

349
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,151
"Howl," "Kaddish."

350
00:26:06,234 --> 00:26:08,069
Burroughs's Naked Lunch.

351
00:26:08,153 --> 00:26:11,740
Hubert Selby Jr., Last Exit to Brooklyn.

352
00:26:11,823 --> 00:26:15,952
I thought, "That's what I wanna do,
except with a drum and guitar."

353
00:26:16,036 --> 00:26:18,038
So, "I don't know just where I'm going

354
00:26:19,205 --> 00:26:21,625
I'm gonna try for the kingdom if I can

355
00:26:22,334 --> 00:26:24,377
Because it makes me feel like I'm a man

356
00:26:25,545 --> 00:26:27,589
When I put a spike into my vein

357
00:26:27,672 --> 00:26:30,675
All, you know, things
Aren't quite the same

358
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,387
When I'm rushing on my run
And I feel like Jesus's son

359
00:26:34,471 --> 00:26:37,682
And I guess I just don't know
I guess I just don't know."

360
00:26:43,813 --> 00:26:45,815
Probably there's never been a problem

361
00:26:45,899 --> 00:26:50,070
in human behavior or misbehavior
that's been with us quite so long

362
00:26:50,153 --> 00:26:53,198
or has been so little understood
as homosexuality.

363
00:26:59,037 --> 00:27:01,790
In your estimation,
what's the most serious sex crime?

364
00:27:02,999 --> 00:27:04,584
The crime against nature.

365
00:27:07,837 --> 00:27:10,423
What are the penalties
for a crime against nature?

366
00:27:10,507 --> 00:27:13,343
The maximum sentence
is 20 years in the state penitentiary.

367
00:27:15,887 --> 00:27:19,140
You know,
we got arrested for being in bars.

368
00:27:19,224 --> 00:27:21,059
But so what? It was part of it.

369
00:27:24,896 --> 00:27:26,773
There was a bar called the San Remo

370
00:27:26,856 --> 00:27:31,069
that everyone seemed sort of gay,

371
00:27:31,152 --> 00:27:34,781
extremely smart and/or creative.

372
00:27:34,864 --> 00:27:39,911
And they turned out to be Edward Albee
and Andy Warhol and Jasper Johns

373
00:27:39,995 --> 00:27:44,708
and at the center of it
is the exploding art world.

374
00:27:45,709 --> 00:27:49,671
Money, parties, power.

375
00:27:50,463 --> 00:27:52,090
Cinema is exploding.

376
00:27:52,173 --> 00:27:54,759
The New York Film Festival,
Lincoln Center,

377
00:27:54,843 --> 00:27:57,596
all that is happening in the mid-'60s.

378
00:27:57,679 --> 00:28:03,727
And it was an outrageous… over-camp.

379
00:28:04,477 --> 00:28:09,733
I mean, camp was something
that you really played with

380
00:28:09,816 --> 00:28:11,401
like Jack Smith did.

381
00:28:24,873 --> 00:28:28,877
Lo, it was a super--
a super overstimulated night

382
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,631
on the eve of the world's destruction.

383
00:28:32,714 --> 00:28:36,009
And at 56 Ludlow Street,

384
00:28:36,092 --> 00:28:42,724
I, Jack Smith, met Angus and Tony.

385
00:28:42,807 --> 00:28:45,268
Tony Conrad, he took the apartment

386
00:28:45,352 --> 00:28:49,439
at 56 Ludlow Street
which became so important.

387
00:28:49,522 --> 00:28:52,484
I didn't want to be a part
of the economy,

388
00:28:52,567 --> 00:28:58,323
so I lived in an apartment
that cost $25.44 a month.

389
00:28:58,406 --> 00:29:02,661
When you crossed over,
it created a very strange change

390
00:29:02,744 --> 00:29:06,998
between Lower East Side documentary,
avant-garde lifestyle

391
00:29:07,082 --> 00:29:11,920
and then the formal art scene
of the-- what became Soho.

392
00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:15,257
Jack, I guess, moved in with him.

393
00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:19,135
The neighbors next door
were Piero Heliczer and his wife Kate.

394
00:29:19,219 --> 00:29:22,180
Then Angus MacLise came back to New York,

395
00:29:22,264 --> 00:29:25,976
and he ended up in a third apartment
on the same floor at 56 Ludlow.

396
00:29:26,059 --> 00:29:30,355
And then also Mario Montez
lived in the building. John…

397
00:29:30,438 --> 00:29:32,566
John Cale moved in with Tony.

398
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:39,948
But that Ludlow Street core

399
00:29:40,031 --> 00:29:45,537
became the Dream Syndicate
with La Monte Young.

400
00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:47,914
La Monte, Marian and Tony and I,

401
00:29:47,998 --> 00:29:51,418
for a year and a half, we did this
for an hour and a half every day.

402
00:29:52,085 --> 00:29:56,214
I've held a drone.
And it was a discipline,

403
00:29:56,298 --> 00:29:59,050
and it opened your eyes
to a lot of possibilities.

404
00:30:00,802 --> 00:30:04,472
Each frequency is perceived

405
00:30:04,556 --> 00:30:07,350
at a different point
on the cerebral cortex.

406
00:30:07,434 --> 00:30:12,981
So when you set up a group of frequencies
that are repeated over and over,

407
00:30:13,064 --> 00:30:19,029
it establishes a psychological state
that can be very strong and profound.

408
00:30:20,071 --> 00:30:23,617
You can hear details
in the harmonic series

409
00:30:24,618 --> 00:30:29,372
that are extraordinarily beautiful
and unusual.

410
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:32,918
And you begin to realize

411
00:30:33,001 --> 00:30:38,465
that there are new places in sound
that you could find a home.

412
00:30:43,136 --> 00:30:46,556
We never had to worry about,
"Give me an A. Let's"-- No.

413
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:52,896
We found the most stable
thing that we could tune to

414
00:30:52,979 --> 00:30:56,900
was the 60-cycle hum of the refrigerator.

415
00:30:57,901 --> 00:31:03,240
Because 60-cycle hum was to us
the drone of Western civilization.

416
00:31:07,369 --> 00:31:10,580
So the fundamental, that is,
the key that we're in,

417
00:31:10,664 --> 00:31:14,918
if we're using the third harmonic
as 60 cycles, is ten cycles.

418
00:31:15,001 --> 00:31:16,920
And, lo and behold, ten cycles is--

419
00:31:17,003 --> 00:31:19,839
is the alpha rhythm of the brain
when you're asleep.

420
00:31:22,425 --> 00:31:25,095
All of a sudden,
"Hey, there's a story here."

421
00:31:27,931 --> 00:31:30,809
The interesting thing about
the Dream Syndicate

422
00:31:30,892 --> 00:31:32,978
was, of course, it was minimalist music.

423
00:31:34,187 --> 00:31:37,315
Full scale, hold one note,

424
00:31:37,399 --> 00:31:40,277
and listen to all the intonations in it.

425
00:31:41,653 --> 00:31:46,408
La Monte Young would
stretch one note into four hours.

426
00:31:46,491 --> 00:31:49,286
I went with Andy
to one of his performances.

427
00:32:06,845 --> 00:32:11,057
Before I had gone to the Factory,
I had seen Warhol's Kiss.

428
00:32:13,852 --> 00:32:15,896
There were no titles.

429
00:32:15,979 --> 00:32:18,690
I had no idea who had made it.

430
00:32:18,773 --> 00:32:22,736
And it was a weekly serial,
so that every week,

431
00:32:22,819 --> 00:32:25,947
a two-and-three-quarter-minute roll

432
00:32:26,031 --> 00:32:29,910
shown at proper speed,
which was 16 frames a second.

433
00:32:33,914 --> 00:32:37,667
The thing that's always interesting
about the Warhol silents

434
00:32:37,751 --> 00:32:40,754
is the reason they're unreal

435
00:32:40,837 --> 00:32:45,550
is they're supposed to be shown
at 16 frames a second,

436
00:32:45,634 --> 00:32:50,680
which means that the people
in those images are breathing

437
00:32:50,764 --> 00:32:55,060
and their hearts are beating
in a different time frame

438
00:32:55,143 --> 00:32:57,646
than yours is while you watch it.

439
00:32:57,729 --> 00:33:02,692
And that creates an incredible sense
of aesthetic distance.

440
00:33:11,034 --> 00:33:14,120
There is a post office
in the Empire State Building.

441
00:33:15,872 --> 00:33:21,461
And we were walking with bags of
Film Culture magazine to the post office,

442
00:33:21,545 --> 00:33:25,590
and we suddenly stopped
and looked at the building.

443
00:33:27,842 --> 00:33:33,098
I think I said, "This is a perfect iconic
image for Andy Warhol."

444
00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:37,561
And that's how it happened.

445
00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:55,495
Warhol, avant-garde film
and avant-garde music,

446
00:33:55,579 --> 00:33:58,623
it was all about extended time.

447
00:34:22,564 --> 00:34:25,233
La Monte's idea of what music was

448
00:34:25,317 --> 00:34:27,777
was really--
I'd say it was a Chinese idea.

449
00:34:27,861 --> 00:34:30,195
Yes, it's the Chinese idea of time.

450
00:34:30,905 --> 00:34:34,200
And really, you know,
music lasts for centuries.

451
00:34:35,744 --> 00:34:41,708
This was an improvisational experience
and it's kind of a religious atmosphere.

452
00:34:41,791 --> 00:34:43,626
And also very mysterious.

453
00:34:45,836 --> 00:34:52,052
And then Tony, one day, walked in
with a pickup, and that was it.

454
00:34:53,762 --> 00:34:56,972
We had the power with amplification.

455
00:35:02,270 --> 00:35:04,522
All sorts of things happened, you know?

456
00:35:05,148 --> 00:35:08,318
Difference tones and all that
that shake the building.

457
00:35:12,906 --> 00:35:15,283
I mean, it's really powerful.

458
00:35:15,367 --> 00:35:17,244
I mean, when we played, you know,

459
00:35:17,327 --> 00:35:19,704
it sounded like a B-52
was in your living room.

460
00:35:30,173 --> 00:35:32,092
I'm a road runner, baby

461
00:35:32,175 --> 00:35:34,177
And you can't keep up with me

462
00:35:36,805 --> 00:35:39,099
I'm a road runner, baby

463
00:35:39,683 --> 00:35:41,685
And you can't keep up with me

464
00:35:44,145 --> 00:35:46,565
Well, come on, baby, let's race

465
00:35:47,065 --> 00:35:48,942
Baby, baby, will you

466
00:35:49,025 --> 00:35:51,945
I had been collecting
rock and roll records

467
00:35:52,028 --> 00:35:53,446
as a kind of fetish.

468
00:35:54,948 --> 00:35:59,119
John was surprised to find this happening,
you know, when he moved in with me.

469
00:36:06,334 --> 00:36:08,712
We were listening to stuff
that was really--

470
00:36:08,795 --> 00:36:10,463
had more to do with what
we were doing with La Monte

471
00:36:10,547 --> 00:36:12,299
because of the harmonies
that were going on.

472
00:36:12,382 --> 00:36:14,092
The pure harmonies and all that.

473
00:36:15,135 --> 00:36:17,762
Hank Williams and the Everly Brothers.

474
00:36:20,056 --> 00:36:22,183
Dream

475
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:24,352
"Dream." Dream.

476
00:36:24,436 --> 00:36:26,021
The way that song starts

477
00:36:26,104 --> 00:36:29,524
and you could hear
all the difference tones, I go, "Whoa."

478
00:36:29,608 --> 00:36:32,235
I was dazzled by rock and roll
by that point.

479
00:36:32,319 --> 00:36:34,362
I was dazzled by what the Beatles
were doing, and--

480
00:36:34,446 --> 00:36:36,072
and the lyrics that the Beatles
were singing.

481
00:36:36,156 --> 00:36:37,449
This was not childish stuff.

482
00:36:37,532 --> 00:36:38,992
"I know what it's like to be dead,

483
00:36:39,075 --> 00:36:40,952
and you're making me feel
like I've never been born."

484
00:36:41,036 --> 00:36:43,580
Wait a minute. That's something
that Lou would write.

485
00:36:43,663 --> 00:36:47,500
And out of that became
that first crazy band,

486
00:36:47,584 --> 00:36:50,587
which was called something
like the Primitives.

487
00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:56,885
And that was John
and Walter De Maria

488
00:36:56,968 --> 00:37:00,555
and Tony and Lou.

489
00:37:01,223 --> 00:37:02,724
Okay, I want everybody to settle down now.

490
00:37:02,807 --> 00:37:04,267
We got something new
we're gonna show you now.

491
00:37:04,351 --> 00:37:06,478
It's gonna knock you dead
when we come upside your head.

492
00:37:06,561 --> 00:37:09,689
You get ready. Said here we go.
Yeah. All right.

493
00:37:09,773 --> 00:37:13,151
As a staff songwriter
on a budget label in Long Island City,

494
00:37:13,818 --> 00:37:15,153
I moved to New York.

495
00:37:18,865 --> 00:37:22,911
Pickwick was a very successful
budget record company.

496
00:37:22,994 --> 00:37:25,163
Ninety-nine cent records.

497
00:37:25,247 --> 00:37:30,043
Twelve surfing songs or twelve
"we're breaking up" songs.

498
00:37:30,126 --> 00:37:31,878
And they would sell them at Woolworths.

499
00:37:36,633 --> 00:37:37,842
He had a vision.

500
00:37:37,926 --> 00:37:41,763
He was talented beyond his talent,
if you understand what I mean.

501
00:37:42,305 --> 00:37:45,267
He can't sing, he can't play,

502
00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:49,813
but everything he does in that
crackly voice of his resonated with me.

503
00:37:50,397 --> 00:37:54,651
With Lou, we were gonna blaze a trail,
which eventually he did do.

504
00:37:57,737 --> 00:37:59,906
Tony had got an invitation to a party.

505
00:37:59,990 --> 00:38:02,742
And we went up there, and this guy
comes up to us and said, "Hey.

506
00:38:02,826 --> 00:38:04,160
You guys look very commercial.

507
00:38:04,244 --> 00:38:05,912
Would you like to come
and promote a record?

508
00:38:05,996 --> 00:38:08,123
Now, come out to Long Island City."

509
00:38:08,206 --> 00:38:13,295
And it was Pickwick Records, and
their songwriter at the time was Lou Reed.

510
00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:19,759
When I met Lou,
there was a lot of eyeballing going on.

511
00:38:20,677 --> 00:38:23,805
So we had coffee, and I had my viola.

512
00:38:23,889 --> 00:38:25,891
Oh, one more time

513
00:38:27,392 --> 00:38:29,603
I was still playing
sort of classical viola

514
00:38:29,686 --> 00:38:33,064
with this heavy vibrato and really
sounded, like, really classical

515
00:38:33,148 --> 00:38:34,774
and good and all of that,

516
00:38:34,858 --> 00:38:39,362
and Lou said,
"Shit. I knew you had an edge on me."

517
00:38:41,573 --> 00:38:43,700
Everybody get down on your face now

518
00:38:43,783 --> 00:38:45,452
Are you ready?

519
00:38:45,535 --> 00:38:48,288
I wanted to do
a writing session with them.

520
00:38:48,371 --> 00:38:52,459
I kept saying to them that we ought
to write on the fly,

521
00:38:52,542 --> 00:38:54,628
which they all liked.

522
00:38:54,711 --> 00:38:57,714
And interestingly enough,
he was the key to that.

523
00:38:57,797 --> 00:39:02,969
He was a songwriter, and he started
to play the lick. And I loved it.

524
00:39:03,053 --> 00:39:07,641
And then immediately John
and all of them, they were with it.

525
00:39:07,724 --> 00:39:10,018
And that's where we did "The Ostrich,"

526
00:39:10,101 --> 00:39:12,354
where many, many great producers

527
00:39:12,437 --> 00:39:16,441
like Warren Thompson
of Elektra Records loved that.

528
00:39:16,524 --> 00:39:20,153
-Do the ostrich
-Whoa-whoa-whoa whoa, yeah

529
00:39:20,237 --> 00:39:23,657
You turn to the left
And then you feet upside your left

530
00:39:24,532 --> 00:39:25,575
You did great.

531
00:39:26,534 --> 00:39:29,120
The song had been written
on a guitar that was tuned to one note.

532
00:39:29,204 --> 00:39:34,000
There was tremendous noise from the guitar
and Lou doing tambourine and singing.

533
00:39:34,084 --> 00:39:36,044
And he was totally spontaneous.

534
00:39:36,127 --> 00:39:38,922
Exactly what you think of
when you think of guys in--

535
00:39:39,005 --> 00:39:41,925
in a garage doing stuff like that.

536
00:39:42,008 --> 00:39:43,468
And it was great.

537
00:39:43,552 --> 00:39:45,595
Yeah, I missed that in my childhood.

538
00:39:48,139 --> 00:39:51,393
Then we're on the same bill
with Shirley Ellis or--

539
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:54,312
"Bo-nana-bana fee-fo-fum."
You know that-- that song?

540
00:39:54,396 --> 00:39:58,316
And the DJ said, "Yay! That's great.
Now we have this band here."

541
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,944
He said, "It's the Primitives
right from New York City

542
00:40:01,027 --> 00:40:03,238
with their latest hit song 'The Ostrich.'"

543
00:40:06,616 --> 00:40:12,330
I felt that this was like
an almost magical mistake.

544
00:40:12,414 --> 00:40:15,041
It was such a displacement.

545
00:40:15,125 --> 00:40:21,673
I never saw this as a vehicle
for my serious music efforts.

546
00:40:23,258 --> 00:40:27,554
At Pickwick, I will tell you that he had
a tremendous track record

547
00:40:27,637 --> 00:40:31,933
of being high, of being sick,

548
00:40:32,017 --> 00:40:37,647
of falling down, of having me
have to rush him over to a hospital.

549
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,693
Frankly,
that was one of the reasons why I,

550
00:40:41,776 --> 00:40:46,615
as much as I thought he was talented,
I wanted to end the relationship also.

551
00:40:47,115 --> 00:40:51,369
And Lou said, "They won't let me
record the songs I wanna do."

552
00:40:51,870 --> 00:40:54,748
And that was, like, red to a bull.
I said, "What?"

553
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:58,126
And I said, "What are the songs
that you wanna--"

554
00:40:58,209 --> 00:41:00,003
And he showed me these other songs.

555
00:41:00,086 --> 00:41:03,340
I was writing about pain.

556
00:41:03,423 --> 00:41:06,426
And I was writing about things that hurt.

557
00:41:06,509 --> 00:41:11,097
And I was writing about reality as I
knew it, or friends of mine had known,

558
00:41:11,181 --> 00:41:13,934
or things I had seen, or heard, or--

559
00:41:14,017 --> 00:41:18,980
I was interested in communicating
to people who were on the outside.

560
00:41:19,064 --> 00:41:20,398
He said, "Why won't they play?"

561
00:41:20,482 --> 00:41:22,317
Because people will complain
about these songs

562
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,070
being about advocating the use of drugs.

563
00:41:25,153 --> 00:41:26,613
But they're not about drugs.

564
00:41:26,696 --> 00:41:30,909
They're about guys who are sick
and dissatisfied with their lives.

565
00:41:30,992 --> 00:41:32,577
Why don't we go do it ourselves?

566
00:41:32,661 --> 00:41:39,584
In 1964, that same apartment on Ludlow,
then it was now Cale and Reed.

567
00:41:39,668 --> 00:41:42,504
"I'm Waiting for the Man."
Words and music Lou Reed.

568
00:41:58,603 --> 00:42:01,982
It's useful for you to be antagonistic

569
00:42:02,649 --> 00:42:05,694
because you define a position

570
00:42:05,777 --> 00:42:10,490
and you define the opposite position
and build something out of that.

571
00:42:11,741 --> 00:42:14,160
The thing that we understood where we were

572
00:42:14,244 --> 00:42:17,455
and how much disdain we had
for everything else, and it worked.

573
00:42:17,539 --> 00:42:20,750
Oh, pardon me, sir
Nothing could be further from my mind

574
00:42:20,834 --> 00:42:22,794
But I'm just waiting for a dear
Dear friend of mine

575
00:42:22,878 --> 00:42:26,047
Yeah, he was always saying, "Shit, man.

576
00:42:26,131 --> 00:42:30,135
How the fuck did this happen? From Wales?"

577
00:42:31,761 --> 00:42:35,223
He showed me the lyrics for "Venus
in Furs" and "I'm Waiting for the Man,"

578
00:42:35,307 --> 00:42:39,102
and I thought these were really coherent,
well-crafted lyrics.

579
00:42:39,185 --> 00:42:44,482
But I said, "Wait, the music is not
backing up what these lyrics are about."

580
00:42:44,566 --> 00:42:46,735
And I got very excited
and I think I got Lou excited

581
00:42:46,818 --> 00:42:48,445
about what the possibilities were.

582
00:42:49,487 --> 00:42:53,575
And we went through all sorts
of different calibrations

583
00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:57,871
of trios, quartets, whatever.

584
00:43:21,102 --> 00:43:23,271
Shiny, shiny…

585
00:43:23,355 --> 00:43:28,652
He was on a subway one day and he
met Sterling with no shoes on in winter,

586
00:43:28,735 --> 00:43:31,071
and he hadn't seen him since Syracuse.

587
00:43:39,371 --> 00:43:42,582
Well, I'm sure he saw Lou
play with his band at Syracuse,

588
00:43:42,666 --> 00:43:44,251
and I'm sure he wanted in.

589
00:43:45,126 --> 00:43:47,170
I think he just wanted to do it.
He was ready.

590
00:43:47,254 --> 00:43:49,923
He'd been playing
since he was 15, taught himself.

591
00:43:50,006 --> 00:43:53,009
He was always
holding his guitar at parties,

592
00:43:53,093 --> 00:43:57,514
and that's what he wanted to do.
And… there was the chance.

593
00:43:58,223 --> 00:44:01,768
All of a sudden we had a guitar player
who really thought about his guitar solos.

594
00:44:02,227 --> 00:44:04,521
Lou and I would sit around,
and we'd improvise.

595
00:44:04,604 --> 00:44:07,190
And Sterling would solo.

596
00:44:08,149 --> 00:44:11,945
You know, he played really good,
like, Isley Brothers guitar.

597
00:44:12,654 --> 00:44:16,074
He was very natural and gentle.

598
00:44:18,451 --> 00:44:24,624
The idea that you can combine R & B
and Wagner was around the corner.

599
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,595
I was driving home from class one day

600
00:44:36,678 --> 00:44:41,349
and "Not Fade Away" came
on the radio, the Stones version,

601
00:44:41,433 --> 00:44:46,187
and pulled off the road 'cause it was
just too exciting to just keep driving.

602
00:44:48,815 --> 00:44:50,817
They were looking for a drummer,

603
00:44:50,901 --> 00:44:53,904
and I said,
"Well, Jim's sister plays the drums."

604
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:56,531
And I drove Lou out to meet her.

605
00:44:58,325 --> 00:45:01,453
And Maureen was
the sister of an old friend of mine,

606
00:45:01,536 --> 00:45:06,124
who also went to Syracuse
and who also was friends with Lou.

607
00:45:06,207 --> 00:45:11,213
And Maureen had been playing
with a girls' band in Long Island,

608
00:45:11,296 --> 00:45:12,756
and they broke up.

609
00:45:13,798 --> 00:45:16,301
So she just came in to do,

610
00:45:16,384 --> 00:45:18,303
I don't know,
just to do a little percussion,

611
00:45:18,386 --> 00:45:20,805
and just fool around.

612
00:45:20,889 --> 00:45:23,099
I don't know. It was very casual.

613
00:45:25,185 --> 00:45:27,812
And when she'd come home
at night, like 5:00,

614
00:45:27,896 --> 00:45:29,481
she'd put on Bo Diddley records

615
00:45:29,564 --> 00:45:31,983
and, like, play every night
from 5:00 to 12:00.

616
00:45:32,067 --> 00:45:34,694
And so we figured she'd be
the perfect drummer. And she was.

617
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:38,949
It was fun, and I really was excited

618
00:45:39,032 --> 00:45:42,535
to have the opportunity
to play live with people.

619
00:45:42,619 --> 00:45:45,538
I'd never played with anybody before.
So that was fun.

620
00:45:49,125 --> 00:45:51,753
The way we could give Bob Dylan
a run for his money

621
00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:55,173
was to go out onstage and improvise
different songs every night.

622
00:45:55,257 --> 00:45:56,758
And Lou was expert at this.

623
00:45:56,841 --> 00:46:00,095
He could just improvise lyrics
at a drop of a hat about anything.

624
00:46:00,762 --> 00:46:04,349
He could come and sit down
with the guitar and I'd play the viola,

625
00:46:04,432 --> 00:46:06,059
and he would start a song.

626
00:46:08,186 --> 00:46:11,815
Up would pop a lyric
that was really unusual.

627
00:46:11,898 --> 00:46:15,944
Then it all would roll around
and we would get something.

628
00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:20,740
You never knew when Lou or John
was gonna go off into nowhere land

629
00:46:20,824 --> 00:46:23,451
and be playing who-knows-what.

630
00:46:23,535 --> 00:46:25,620
I felt like my role was to be there

631
00:46:25,704 --> 00:46:28,707
so when they're ready to come back,
there it is.

632
00:46:29,416 --> 00:46:33,712
Lou, right next to me--
It was like a wall went up of sound.

633
00:46:35,797 --> 00:46:38,800
And I would watch his mouth to know
where we were in the song.

634
00:46:41,386 --> 00:46:43,471
I basically followed Lou.

635
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:48,727
Apart from all the
well-crafted songs that he would write,

636
00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:51,146
this improvisation was what
I was interested in.

637
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,528
Strongly influenced by coming directly
from the subconscious.

638
00:46:58,612 --> 00:47:02,365
And when I heard Lou's tales
of shock therapy,

639
00:47:03,158 --> 00:47:05,994
I kind of put it all together in my head.

640
00:47:08,997 --> 00:47:11,499
The way that struck a chord
mainly with the music

641
00:47:11,583 --> 00:47:14,669
was the music was really dream music.

642
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:20,800
And what I really liked in most of
the rock and roll that was going on

643
00:47:20,884 --> 00:47:23,470
was the repetitive nature of the riffs,

644
00:47:23,553 --> 00:47:26,181
and what was the one riff
that you could create

645
00:47:26,264 --> 00:47:31,394
that would exist and live happily
throughout the entire song.

646
00:47:32,312 --> 00:47:34,522
And drone was obviously one of them.

647
00:47:59,548 --> 00:48:01,883
When we formed the Velvet Underground

648
00:48:01,967 --> 00:48:06,513
I had some songs and having them
come to life like that, that was amazing.

649
00:48:07,722 --> 00:48:10,559
I mean, I was a guy playing in bar bands.

650
00:48:14,813 --> 00:48:16,773
In most collaborations,

651
00:48:16,856 --> 00:48:18,858
it's when you put two and two
together and get seven.

652
00:48:20,986 --> 00:48:24,447
That weirdness, it shouldn't have
existed in this space.

653
00:48:25,991 --> 00:48:29,119
And there was always a standard
that was kind of set

654
00:48:30,203 --> 00:48:34,207
for how to be elegant
and how to be brutal.

655
00:48:48,388 --> 00:48:53,518
Shiny, shiny, shiny boots of leather

656
00:48:55,103 --> 00:48:59,399
Whiplash girlchild in the dark

657
00:49:01,693 --> 00:49:06,948
Comes in bells, your servant
Don't forsake him

658
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:12,913
Strike, dear mistress
And cure his heart

659
00:49:24,841 --> 00:49:27,260
I am tired

660
00:49:28,136 --> 00:49:29,930
I am weary

661
00:49:31,264 --> 00:49:36,269
I could sleep for a thousand years

662
00:49:37,646 --> 00:49:43,109
A thousand dreams that would awake me

663
00:49:44,694 --> 00:49:47,781
The drone fit in as soon
as "Venus in Furs" hit, you know.

664
00:49:47,864 --> 00:49:51,368
I knew that we had a way
of doing something in rock and roll

665
00:49:51,451 --> 00:49:52,702
that nobody else had done.

666
00:49:55,121 --> 00:50:00,335
And all that was done with detuned guitars
that I was really proud of,

667
00:50:00,418 --> 00:50:02,170
because I'd say, "Hey, Lou.

668
00:50:02,254 --> 00:50:04,923
Nobody's gonna be able to figure out
how the hell to do this."

669
00:50:06,091 --> 00:50:09,052
In some ways I was surprised
by the response in New York.

670
00:50:09,135 --> 00:50:12,055
I thought we did something
no one else did.

671
00:50:12,138 --> 00:50:15,934
Shiny leather in the dark

672
00:50:16,851 --> 00:50:21,064
I thought what we did was so brave

673
00:50:21,147 --> 00:50:24,442
that people would really
just be bowled over by it.

674
00:50:24,526 --> 00:50:30,240
Strike, dear mistress
And cure his heart

675
00:50:30,323 --> 00:50:32,909
Café Bizarre, very small thing.

676
00:50:33,535 --> 00:50:35,787
We were real excited
that they had this job.

677
00:50:36,621 --> 00:50:40,959
Not too many people there.
Nobody dancing. Very weird.

678
00:50:41,042 --> 00:50:43,503
Some had their backs to the crowd.

679
00:50:45,338 --> 00:50:47,966
They had this off-putting aura.

680
00:50:48,925 --> 00:50:51,303
You know, yikes, they were scary.

681
00:50:57,475 --> 00:51:01,521
Barbara Rubin was one of these
elite downtown filmmakers.

682
00:51:01,605 --> 00:51:04,399
Really knew Bob Dylan, knew Andy.

683
00:51:04,482 --> 00:51:07,694
She worked very hard
to put people together.

684
00:51:07,777 --> 00:51:11,197
She came into the Factory and announced
there was a band downtown

685
00:51:11,281 --> 00:51:13,241
that they should really come and see.

686
00:51:14,576 --> 00:51:17,245
Suddenly,
many more people were in the club.

687
00:51:23,585 --> 00:51:26,504
Gerard was the diplomatic face
of the Factory.

688
00:51:26,588 --> 00:51:28,632
And he came to me and said,

689
00:51:28,715 --> 00:51:31,635
"You guys are invited to come up
to the Factory tomorrow afternoon."

690
00:51:41,102 --> 00:51:43,897
Barbara Rubin brings them in,
they're all dressed in black…

691
00:51:45,774 --> 00:51:47,067
and they started playing.

692
00:51:50,654 --> 00:51:53,490
They played "Heroin." We were like…

693
00:51:55,742 --> 00:51:57,953
Unbelievable. Just completely bowled over.

694
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:06,211
The thing that was
so encouraging and inspiring

695
00:52:06,294 --> 00:52:10,298
when we got to the Factory
was that it was all about work.

696
00:52:12,634 --> 00:52:15,011
Every day when I walked in there,
he was always there ahead of me,

697
00:52:15,095 --> 00:52:17,472
he'd always say,
"How many songs did you write?"

698
00:52:17,556 --> 00:52:20,600
"I wrote ten." And he said,
"Oh, you're so lazy, you know.

699
00:52:20,684 --> 00:52:22,310
Why didn't you write 15?"

700
00:52:24,646 --> 00:52:26,356
People would come in, people would go.

701
00:52:26,439 --> 00:52:29,693
Faces would come in
that you'd recognize, faces would go.

702
00:52:32,988 --> 00:52:35,115
And it was all commerce.

703
00:52:36,992 --> 00:52:40,996
I don't know

704
00:52:44,374 --> 00:52:46,585
Just where I'm going

705
00:52:54,759 --> 00:52:57,178
But I'm

706
00:52:59,264 --> 00:53:01,725
Gonna try

707
00:53:01,808 --> 00:53:05,812
For the kingdom if I can

708
00:53:05,896 --> 00:53:09,399
'Cause it makes me feel like I'm a man

709
00:53:09,482 --> 00:53:12,485
When I put a spike into my vein

710
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:16,364
And I tell you things
Aren't quite the same

711
00:53:16,448 --> 00:53:19,451
When I'm rushing on my run

712
00:53:19,534 --> 00:53:22,621
And I feel just like Jesus' son

713
00:53:22,704 --> 00:53:25,957
And I guess that I just don't know

714
00:53:26,041 --> 00:53:29,711
And I guess that I just don't know

715
00:53:31,504 --> 00:53:33,798
Andy is a divinity.

716
00:53:33,882 --> 00:53:37,510
He's an extraplanetary being.

717
00:53:38,386 --> 00:53:41,973
He was like a father
always saying, "Yes, yes, yes."

718
00:53:42,057 --> 00:53:47,687
That part of his character, that, I think,
made everybody come to the Factory.

719
00:53:47,771 --> 00:53:49,314
They felt like home.

720
00:53:49,397 --> 00:53:51,983
Is when the blood begins to flow

721
00:53:52,067 --> 00:53:55,362
When it shoots up the dropper's neck

722
00:53:55,445 --> 00:53:58,615
When I'm closing in on death

723
00:54:05,497 --> 00:54:09,000
You can't help me, not you guys

724
00:54:09,084 --> 00:54:11,878
Or all you sweet girls
With all your sweet talk

725
00:54:11,962 --> 00:54:13,463
I wanted to impress him.

726
00:54:15,048 --> 00:54:18,843
He was an audience.
I was desperate for an audience.

727
00:54:18,927 --> 00:54:21,763
All right. Just--
You don't have to do anything.

728
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:24,099
Just what you're doing.

729
00:54:31,147 --> 00:54:32,148
That's it.

730
00:54:36,570 --> 00:54:38,029
There was no direction.

731
00:54:40,198 --> 00:54:41,283
Heroin

732
00:54:41,366 --> 00:54:43,034
Warhol never made a sound,

733
00:54:43,118 --> 00:54:45,996
but his presence started the thunder
after a while,

734
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,706
'cause he didn't make a sound.

735
00:54:47,789 --> 00:54:49,708
Be the death of me

736
00:54:49,791 --> 00:54:52,002
So you're propelled to do something.

737
00:54:58,884 --> 00:55:04,306
Heroin

738
00:55:05,932 --> 00:55:08,810
Look straight into the camera.

739
00:55:08,894 --> 00:55:12,314
Try not to move. Try not to blink.

740
00:55:14,482 --> 00:55:16,067
It was really a skill.

741
00:55:16,151 --> 00:55:18,987
And then I'm better off than dead

742
00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:41,843
And thank God that I just don't care

743
00:55:41,927 --> 00:55:45,138
And I guess that I just don't know

744
00:55:45,222 --> 00:55:48,683
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know

745
00:55:57,234 --> 00:56:02,572
Heroin

746
00:56:04,699 --> 00:56:06,201
Be the death of me

747
00:56:06,284 --> 00:56:09,412
We're sponsoring a new band.
It's called the Velvet Underground.

748
00:56:09,913 --> 00:56:11,998
Well, since I don't really believe
in painting anymore,

749
00:56:12,082 --> 00:56:14,709
I thought it would be a nice way
of combining--

750
00:56:14,793 --> 00:56:18,755
And we have this chance
to combine music and art

751
00:56:18,838 --> 00:56:21,925
and films all together.

752
00:56:22,008 --> 00:56:25,011
And we're still working on kind of a--

753
00:56:25,095 --> 00:56:26,721
the biggest discotheque in the world.

754
00:56:51,496 --> 00:56:52,789
I'm telling you

755
00:56:53,331 --> 00:56:57,168
And pretty much
everything in June, in the recent past…

756
00:56:58,086 --> 00:57:00,964
-Is it on?
-The present shows…

757
00:57:03,383 --> 00:57:05,760
There's a lot of good things happening

758
00:57:05,844 --> 00:57:07,470
…business wise.

759
00:57:07,554 --> 00:57:09,723
You've got the world coming up
in this position

760
00:57:09,806 --> 00:57:11,641
…and that's success and a great deal

761
00:57:11,725 --> 00:57:13,435
…of happiness to come.

762
00:57:13,518 --> 00:57:15,896
And the wheel of fortune which, uh…

763
00:57:15,979 --> 00:57:20,734
indicates more of your, um…
ambitions and also

764
00:57:20,817 --> 00:57:23,653
very close friends,
people that are very close.

765
00:57:23,737 --> 00:57:27,198
Not much dissension going on,
ya know, right now.

766
00:57:27,949 --> 00:57:30,702
Ya know,
no arguments and that type of thing.

767
00:57:30,785 --> 00:57:32,412
That's because we're not working now.

768
00:57:32,495 --> 00:57:34,289
It shows a…

769
00:57:41,713 --> 00:57:45,884
Career, business, um…
your profession, that type of thing

770
00:57:45,967 --> 00:57:49,221
shows a lot of competition… always.

771
00:57:49,763 --> 00:57:52,849
There will always be a great deal
of competition…

772
00:57:56,394 --> 00:57:59,940
For the most part,
people who came to the Factory

773
00:58:00,023 --> 00:58:02,192
came because the cameras were running.

774
00:58:02,275 --> 00:58:07,781
And they thought they could become famous,
they could become stars.

775
00:58:15,288 --> 00:58:17,874
A very promising outlook.
A lot of new insight.

776
00:58:17,958 --> 00:58:19,793
And a lot of new things happening.

777
00:58:20,418 --> 00:58:25,757
Some ideal of female beauty,

778
00:58:26,591 --> 00:58:31,263
and if you didn't measure up…

779
00:58:31,346 --> 00:58:33,932
And who ever could measure up?

780
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:36,977
That was very, very damaging.

781
00:58:38,687 --> 00:58:40,564
It was not a good place for women.

782
00:58:41,398 --> 00:58:46,111
And if you never can get past the fact
that what you were valued for

783
00:58:46,194 --> 00:58:48,029
is primarily your looks…

784
00:58:52,284 --> 00:58:54,869
then, you know.

785
00:58:57,831 --> 00:58:59,457
One day we were working at the Factory,

786
00:58:59,541 --> 00:59:02,878
and Gerard just came back from Europe.

787
00:59:02,961 --> 00:59:08,174
He had a 45-rpm single record,
and it was this strange voice…

788
00:59:08,258 --> 00:59:11,803
That I care that you love me

789
00:59:11,887 --> 00:59:14,514
I'm not saying that I care

790
00:59:14,598 --> 00:59:19,102
I'm not saying I'll be there
When you want me

791
00:59:19,185 --> 00:59:21,563
She had been in La Dolce Vita.

792
00:59:21,646 --> 00:59:23,565
Anita Ekberg was the star,

793
00:59:23,648 --> 00:59:28,486
but Nico was like the clandestine face
in that movie that everybody saw

794
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:30,655
because she's so hauntingly beautiful.

795
00:59:35,452 --> 00:59:38,038
Then eventually, Nico came to New York.

796
00:59:41,249 --> 00:59:45,545
Paul started getting interested
in Nico in a promotional way.

797
00:59:47,088 --> 00:59:52,802
Somehow, Paul started convincing Andy that
you can't have just a rock and roll group,

798
00:59:52,886 --> 00:59:57,474
because Lou's not that much
of a big looker guy or anything,

799
00:59:57,557 --> 01:00:01,019
you know, he doesn't have a great voice.
"You gotta have a beautiful girl in it."

800
01:00:06,983 --> 01:00:10,820
Lou had to be just about begged
by Andy to do it.

801
01:00:15,909 --> 01:00:18,745
There she goes again

802
01:00:18,828 --> 01:00:21,665
I know it irritated them to death
in the beginning

803
01:00:21,748 --> 01:00:24,668
that she simply could not hold a pitch.

804
01:00:27,587 --> 01:00:32,217
I think it was John again who figured out
what to do with that voice.

805
01:00:36,221 --> 01:00:37,764
A lot of it was uncanny.

806
01:00:37,847 --> 01:00:39,933
In that she couldn't do this,
she couldn't do that,

807
01:00:40,016 --> 01:00:42,644
and then all of a sudden
she could do it all very well.

808
01:00:43,687 --> 01:00:45,230
I have to learn that.

809
01:00:54,322 --> 01:00:58,451
All of a sudden,
you realize the eye for publicity

810
01:00:58,535 --> 01:01:03,039
and the idea of this blonde iceberg
in the middle of the stage

811
01:01:03,123 --> 01:01:04,958
next to us all dressed in black.

812
01:01:05,542 --> 01:01:09,296
I'll be your mirror
Reflect what you are

813
01:01:09,379 --> 01:01:11,172
In case you don't know

814
01:01:11,256 --> 01:01:15,093
The three or four songs she sang
were perfect for her,

815
01:01:15,176 --> 01:01:18,138
and anyone else singing them,
it just doesn't work.

816
01:01:20,098 --> 01:01:23,018
She was always very mysterious
to us in the band.

817
01:01:23,101 --> 01:01:25,186
We were not widely traveled.

818
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:27,981
We were not sophisticated,
except for John.

819
01:01:28,773 --> 01:01:30,483
Except that she could sing.

820
01:01:30,567 --> 01:01:34,988
She was not there
just simply to stand up and be beautiful.

821
01:01:35,071 --> 01:01:37,824
Please put down your hands

822
01:01:37,908 --> 01:01:40,660
'Cause I see you

823
01:01:50,462 --> 01:01:54,883
Andy had wanted her
to sing inside a plexiglass box,

824
01:01:54,966 --> 01:01:56,760
and Nico wasn't having it.

825
01:01:57,510 --> 01:02:00,347
She was a serious musician,
and she wanted to sing these songs.

826
01:02:01,348 --> 01:02:04,184
The spectacle of her beauty

827
01:02:05,227 --> 01:02:09,105
I think was completely beside the point
for her.

828
01:02:09,189 --> 01:02:11,608
So you won't be afraid

829
01:02:11,691 --> 01:02:15,695
When you think the night
Has seen your mind

830
01:02:16,363 --> 01:02:19,199
It might've been Andy's take on her,
you know,

831
01:02:19,282 --> 01:02:22,035
she's so remote, she's so unreachable.

832
01:02:22,118 --> 01:02:23,954
I don't think she wanted to be
super famous.

833
01:02:24,037 --> 01:02:27,832
I think she just wanted to make good work
that was, you know, good.

834
01:02:28,625 --> 01:02:29,793
'Cause I see you

835
01:02:29,876 --> 01:02:32,504
When you're not famous,
you get compared to whoever.

836
01:02:32,587 --> 01:02:36,675
You know, so she would be compared
with Marlene Dietrich or Garbo.

837
01:02:37,175 --> 01:02:40,303
-I'll be your mirror
-Reflect what you are

838
01:02:41,304 --> 01:02:43,890
-I'll be your mirror
-Reflect what you are

839
01:02:43,974 --> 01:02:45,684
Now they compare people to her.

840
01:02:45,767 --> 01:02:48,937
-I'll be your mirror
-Reflect what you are

841
01:02:50,814 --> 01:02:52,232
We got something from them.

842
01:02:52,315 --> 01:02:56,361
We met Tom Wilson,
who did-- produced Bob Dylan

843
01:02:56,444 --> 01:02:58,446
and we were getting somewhere.

844
01:02:58,530 --> 01:03:00,115
We could make a record.

845
01:03:00,198 --> 01:03:04,619
Norman Dolph walked in,
gave $1,500 to Andy to make the record.

846
01:03:05,453 --> 01:03:06,621
Wow.

847
01:03:07,497 --> 01:03:08,873
We were chasing something.

848
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:16,965
I'm waiting for my man

849
01:03:21,344 --> 01:03:23,972
Twenty-six dollars in my hand

850
01:03:27,976 --> 01:03:31,396
Up to Lexington, 125

851
01:03:31,479 --> 01:03:35,483
Feel sick and dirty
More dead than alive

852
01:03:36,192 --> 01:03:39,321
Andy was extraordinary,
and I honestly don't think

853
01:03:39,404 --> 01:03:41,990
these things could've occurred
without Andy.

854
01:03:42,073 --> 01:03:43,742
I don't know
if we would've gotten a contract

855
01:03:43,825 --> 01:03:46,828
if he hadn't said he'd do the cover.
Or if Nico wasn't so beautiful.

856
01:03:51,082 --> 01:03:55,295
Hey, white boy
You chasin' our women around?

857
01:03:58,673 --> 01:04:02,093
Oh, pardon me, sir
It's furthest from my mind

858
01:04:03,220 --> 01:04:06,097
We rehearsed
for a year for the banana album.

859
01:04:08,266 --> 01:04:10,018
Andy produced our first record

860
01:04:10,101 --> 01:04:13,396
in the sense that he was there
breathing in the studio.

861
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,024
But he did more than just that.

862
01:04:16,107 --> 01:04:18,193
He made it possible for us
to make a record

863
01:04:18,276 --> 01:04:22,572
without anybody changing it or everything,
because Andy Warhol was there.

864
01:04:25,158 --> 01:04:28,995
PR shoes and a big straw hat

865
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:30,997
He understood exactly what we were about

866
01:04:31,081 --> 01:04:36,253
and what our creative side was all about
and how best to bring that out.

867
01:04:37,087 --> 01:04:39,506
And he gave us a lot of support.

868
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:41,424
…gotta wait

869
01:04:41,508 --> 01:04:45,095
I'm waiting for my man

870
01:04:45,178 --> 01:04:48,723
Nico was in love with Lou.
Andy was in love with Lou.

871
01:04:49,516 --> 01:04:52,936
Boys and girls, men and women,
fell in love with him.

872
01:05:03,405 --> 01:05:06,783
I was already painting and drawing
and wanting to be understood,

873
01:05:06,866 --> 01:05:08,702
and was looking for a scene

874
01:05:08,785 --> 01:05:13,832
until a friend of mine brought over
their record when I was 15,

875
01:05:13,915 --> 01:05:17,168
and he wanted to trade it
'cause he-- it wasn't his taste,

876
01:05:17,252 --> 01:05:20,255
and I had a Fugs record
that I was willing to pass up.

877
01:05:20,338 --> 01:05:22,632
I loved the cadence of Lou Reed's voice.

878
01:05:22,716 --> 01:05:26,553
"PR shoes and a big straw hat."

879
01:05:28,054 --> 01:05:29,723
The-- The--

880
01:05:32,726 --> 01:05:35,937
And then the Cale drone underneath it.

881
01:05:37,188 --> 01:05:39,107
You know, and that was it.

882
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:41,776
I mean, you don't want this record?
This is for me.

883
01:05:41,860 --> 01:05:44,195
These people would under--
the first words out of my mouth

884
01:05:44,279 --> 01:05:46,948
might have been,
"These people would understand me."

885
01:05:49,367 --> 01:05:51,745
He's got the works
Gives you sweet taste

886
01:05:51,828 --> 01:05:53,580
There were elements
of what Lou was doing

887
01:05:53,663 --> 01:05:58,376
that were just unavoidably right.
The nature of his lyric writing.

888
01:05:58,460 --> 01:06:03,632
Dylan had certainly brought a new kind of
intelligence to pop song writing.

889
01:06:03,715 --> 01:06:06,760
But then Lou had taken it
to the avant-garde

890
01:06:06,843 --> 01:06:10,597
and had its roots in
Baudelaire and Rimbaud and…

891
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,516
But at that time,
it wasn't considered important.

892
01:06:18,688 --> 01:06:20,690
Not promoted.

893
01:06:20,774 --> 01:06:23,652
A lot of radio stations
wouldn't play our stuff.

894
01:06:23,735 --> 01:06:26,613
"Heroin" and, you know, they don't--
they wouldn't play them.

895
01:06:27,864 --> 01:06:29,783
But also MGM was not the--

896
01:06:29,866 --> 01:06:33,161
I think at that point, they had decided
that the Mothers of Invention

897
01:06:33,245 --> 01:06:36,915
were a better bet,
and they just didn't do much at all.

898
01:06:36,998 --> 01:06:39,793
Almost like they signed us
to sort of get us off the streets.

899
01:06:39,876 --> 01:06:42,629
Until tomorrow, but that's just
Some other time

900
01:06:43,713 --> 01:06:47,217
I'm waiting for my man

901
01:06:48,927 --> 01:06:50,345
Walk it home

902
01:06:58,270 --> 01:06:59,729
Oh, it's all right

903
01:07:01,439 --> 01:07:03,233
We've all come here together.

904
01:07:03,316 --> 01:07:06,069
Andy Warhol, poet Gerard Malanga.

905
01:07:06,152 --> 01:07:08,530
Over there, if you move your camera,
Ed Sanders

906
01:07:08,613 --> 01:07:10,740
of a rock and roll group called the Fugs.

907
01:07:10,824 --> 01:07:14,619
Peter Orlovsky, who is a poet
and who also sings Indian mantras.

908
01:07:14,703 --> 01:07:17,330
Jonas Mekas takes movies,
which he's doing now.

909
01:07:19,457 --> 01:07:22,085
In the New York area alone,

910
01:07:22,168 --> 01:07:25,922
there were, like, 30, 40 different artists

911
01:07:26,006 --> 01:07:30,010
doing something that did not stick
to their own art,

912
01:07:30,093 --> 01:07:32,387
but included other arts.

913
01:07:34,806 --> 01:07:38,143
So we organized the first such festival,

914
01:07:38,226 --> 01:07:41,605
like a survey in what was happening

915
01:07:41,688 --> 01:07:45,859
in expanded arts and expanded cinema.

916
01:07:45,942 --> 01:07:49,571
That was in November, December '65.

917
01:07:49,654 --> 01:07:55,201
In '66, I rented a theater on 41st Street

918
01:07:55,285 --> 01:07:58,580
in Times Square, and we continued there.

919
01:08:02,959 --> 01:08:07,797
That's where Chelsea Girls opened,
a lot of Warhol movies.

920
01:08:16,932 --> 01:08:20,018
Teenage Mary said to Uncle Dave

921
01:08:20,101 --> 01:08:23,521
"I sold my soul, must be saved

922
01:08:23,605 --> 01:08:25,774
We decided we would do
a multimedia thing,

923
01:08:25,857 --> 01:08:30,111
and it ran for a few weeks, and it was
called "Andy Warhol's Up-Tight."

924
01:08:30,695 --> 01:08:33,406
And it starred the Velvet Underground
and Gerard Malanga

925
01:08:33,490 --> 01:08:36,701
and Mary Woronov
doing the dancing and all.

926
01:08:36,785 --> 01:08:40,455
Run, run, run, run, run
Gypsy death to you

927
01:08:40,538 --> 01:08:42,915
Tell you whatcha do

928
01:08:44,125 --> 01:08:46,210
To prepare for it, we did--

929
01:08:46,294 --> 01:08:48,672
filmed the Velvet Underground and Nico
in the Factory,

930
01:08:50,173 --> 01:08:52,926
which we then, as they performed live

931
01:08:53,009 --> 01:08:56,596
on the stage at the cinematheque,
projected on them.

932
01:08:56,679 --> 01:08:59,473
Went to sell her soul, she wasn't high

933
01:09:00,267 --> 01:09:02,393
Didn't know, thinks she could buy it

934
01:09:02,477 --> 01:09:06,982
Somehow the Dom Polski
on Saint Mark's Place

935
01:09:07,065 --> 01:09:11,361
in the East Village
became available as a space,

936
01:09:11,444 --> 01:09:13,572
and we took it over for a month,

937
01:09:13,655 --> 01:09:19,286
and expanded "Andy Warhol's Up-Tight"
into the "Exploding Plastic Inevitable."

938
01:09:22,455 --> 01:09:25,333
This used to be the Polish national home.

939
01:09:25,417 --> 01:09:29,295
Now it's the Dom,
the center of East Village nightlife.

940
01:09:29,379 --> 01:09:32,382
Music by Nico and the Velvet Underground.

941
01:09:32,464 --> 01:09:34,593
"The Exploding Plastic Inevitable,"

942
01:09:34,676 --> 01:09:40,014
designed by pop-art industry, Andy Warhol,
and starring his girl of the year.

943
01:09:40,098 --> 01:09:43,435
Her vocal style is unusual.

944
01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:53,862
Andy has a group of rock
and rollers called the Velvet Underground.

945
01:09:56,656 --> 01:10:01,453
His idea for a discotheque
is to take a dance hall,

946
01:10:01,536 --> 01:10:03,997
have his musicians play,

947
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,625
show several movies all at the same time,

948
01:10:06,708 --> 01:10:11,254
have colored lights going
while people dance or watch.

949
01:10:11,338 --> 01:10:12,714
Wild.

950
01:10:20,388 --> 01:10:23,850
I became Nico's guitar player
for those shows she did at the Dom.

951
01:10:23,934 --> 01:10:25,560
And I also did an opening set.

952
01:10:25,644 --> 01:10:29,439
I was not-- I didn't have a record,
I was not an attraction of any kind.

953
01:10:29,522 --> 01:10:30,607
I just did a set.

954
01:10:33,693 --> 01:10:36,696
But, I mean, no one really got there
until Andy would get there.

955
01:10:38,156 --> 01:10:39,407
He was the attraction.

956
01:10:55,173 --> 01:10:58,468
For the balcony,
Andy used to place the projectors

957
01:10:58,552 --> 01:11:02,639
and various gels and colors and strobes.

958
01:11:06,434 --> 01:11:08,562
Since no one really knew
how to use lights,

959
01:11:08,645 --> 01:11:10,230
we let the audience use them.

960
01:11:10,313 --> 01:11:11,773
That's another reason
we didn't make money,

961
01:11:11,856 --> 01:11:14,442
they were always breaking these things,
or they would fall off the balcony,

962
01:11:14,526 --> 01:11:17,904
and Andy's technique was something like…

963
01:11:17,988 --> 01:11:21,950
"Oh, who knows how to work the lights?
Oh, do you know how to work the lights?"

964
01:11:28,582 --> 01:11:31,042
People would watch his movies,

965
01:11:31,126 --> 01:11:33,587
but they couldn't watch 'em
'cause there's no story.

966
01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:37,382
So it's that weird place where,
"Is it reality or story?"

967
01:11:37,465 --> 01:11:40,385
And we don't know. So they were hypnotic.

968
01:12:14,419 --> 01:12:17,631
Upstairs it was a scene that developed.

969
01:12:17,714 --> 01:12:20,717
People like Walter Cronkite
and Jackie Kennedy,

970
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,804
and a lot of the socialites showed up
down there because of Andy

971
01:12:24,888 --> 01:12:30,185
and because of his connections
with the Central Park West art collectors.

972
01:12:30,268 --> 01:12:32,604
Incredible people came and danced.

973
01:12:32,687 --> 01:12:34,814
Nureyev came and danced.

974
01:12:34,898 --> 01:12:38,068
The whole New York City Ballet
used to come and dance.

975
01:12:56,336 --> 01:12:59,548
I don't think they ever formed

976
01:12:59,631 --> 01:13:03,343
so that they would be
a spectacular stage event.

977
01:13:03,426 --> 01:13:09,140
They formed because there was
this amazing musical thing

978
01:13:09,224 --> 01:13:12,686
that happened with Lou's songs.

979
01:13:14,145 --> 01:13:16,898
Barbara Rubin, who discovered
them for the right reasons,

980
01:13:16,982 --> 01:13:21,403
is the one who started flashing
those fucking polka dots on them

981
01:13:21,486 --> 01:13:26,116
when they were playing,
as if they weren't enough to look at.

982
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:29,661
I'd say, "Lou, you--
why are they doing this to you?"

983
01:13:29,744 --> 01:13:32,497
And of course, he would shrug and say,

984
01:13:32,581 --> 01:13:36,668
"It's what Andy will want,
and, you know, it's family."

985
01:13:37,460 --> 01:13:41,548
After we'd done about three weeks,
we went out on the tour.

986
01:13:54,394 --> 01:13:57,397
There were so many times
we'd play at some kind of art show,

987
01:13:57,480 --> 01:14:02,068
and they'd invited Andy and, I guess,
we're the exhibit, you know?

988
01:14:03,778 --> 01:14:07,032
They'd leave in droves,
these would be rich society people

989
01:14:07,115 --> 01:14:10,285
and artists and stuff, and this was--

990
01:14:10,368 --> 01:14:12,954
they didn't wanna hear a band,
let alone what we were doing.

991
01:14:16,124 --> 01:14:18,335
I had seen the Exploding
Plastic Inevitable show

992
01:14:18,418 --> 01:14:21,213
with the Velvet Underground
in New York at the Dom already.

993
01:14:21,296 --> 01:14:23,381
But when I was here and heard
they were coming here

994
01:14:23,465 --> 01:14:25,634
and in Provincetown where I lived--

995
01:14:25,717 --> 01:14:28,970
It was at the Chrysler Museum.
It was booked as art.

996
01:14:29,054 --> 01:14:31,973
It wasn't even packed, you know.
The town didn't get it.

997
01:14:33,558 --> 01:14:36,478
I thought it was so bizarre, in a way,
to try to imagine them

998
01:14:36,561 --> 01:14:38,855
coming at the height
of the hippie times and everything,

999
01:14:38,939 --> 01:14:40,857
when they were so anti-hippie.

1000
01:14:50,533 --> 01:14:53,370
I know we made lots of fans
amongst those people,

1001
01:14:53,453 --> 01:14:56,665
but we used to joke around and say,
"Well, how many people left?

1002
01:14:56,748 --> 01:14:59,042
Oh, about half.
Oh, we must have been good tonight."

1003
01:15:10,220 --> 01:15:12,764
It was not only noise,

1004
01:15:12,847 --> 01:15:17,394
but the kind of music
you can hear when--

1005
01:15:17,477 --> 01:15:20,438
when it's a storm outside.

1006
01:15:37,914 --> 01:15:41,334
Paul then booked us into the West Coast.

1007
01:15:46,089 --> 01:15:47,716
Monday, Monday

1008
01:15:50,010 --> 01:15:52,345
So good to me

1009
01:15:52,429 --> 01:15:54,264
Musically, the West Coast

1010
01:15:54,347 --> 01:15:58,059
was an organized force that tried
to predominate in the pop scene.

1011
01:15:58,143 --> 01:16:00,437
It was all I hoped it would be

1012
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,356
I remember we were in our rent-a-car
coming back from the airport,

1013
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:06,276
I turned on the radio and the first
song that came out was "Monday, Monday."

1014
01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:08,278
I said, "Well, I don't-- I don't know.

1015
01:16:08,361 --> 01:16:10,155
Maybe we're not ready
for this sort of thing yet."

1016
01:16:14,326 --> 01:16:16,286
We came to Los Angeles,

1017
01:16:16,369 --> 01:16:18,872
and the first time we noticed
that we were different

1018
01:16:18,955 --> 01:16:22,918
was when we went to, you know,
the place, Tropicana Motel.

1019
01:16:24,044 --> 01:16:27,714
So we're all in black,
we're all completely covered up,

1020
01:16:27,797 --> 01:16:29,925
and we're all sitting around the pool.

1021
01:16:30,008 --> 01:16:32,510
I mean, it looked really stupid.

1022
01:16:33,011 --> 01:16:36,097
Except for Gerard.
Gerard was in back, fucking someone.

1023
01:16:46,024 --> 01:16:49,110
Sunday morning

1024
01:16:50,362 --> 01:16:53,782
Brings the dawning

1025
01:16:55,158 --> 01:17:01,539
It's just a restless feeling
By my side

1026
01:17:01,623 --> 01:17:04,125
We'd never been to the West Coast,

1027
01:17:04,209 --> 01:17:08,171
and it was odd the way it struck us
that everybody was very healthy.

1028
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:13,009
And their idea of a light show
was to have a slide of Buddha on the wall.

1029
01:17:14,594 --> 01:17:17,973
When we came to California,
it was at the Trip and they had a stage.

1030
01:17:18,056 --> 01:17:20,767
What do you put on a stage? Gerard and me.

1031
01:17:20,850 --> 01:17:25,272
We would do this performance
for more people to look at the Velvets.

1032
01:17:26,398 --> 01:17:29,776
There's always someone around you

1033
01:17:29,859 --> 01:17:32,362
Who will call

1034
01:17:33,405 --> 01:17:36,825
It's nothing at all

1035
01:17:38,451 --> 01:17:41,496
And they snuck Frank Zappa on the bill,

1036
01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:44,874
and the Mothers of Invention.
And we despised them.

1037
01:17:44,958 --> 01:17:48,420
And we felt they were everything
the West Coast was.

1038
01:17:49,462 --> 01:17:52,299
They were hippies. We hated hippies.

1039
01:17:52,382 --> 01:17:55,468
I mean, flower power,
you know, burning bras.

1040
01:17:55,552 --> 01:17:57,637
I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you?

1041
01:17:57,721 --> 01:18:00,849
This "love, peace" crap, we hated that.
Get real.

1042
01:18:01,474 --> 01:18:04,519
And free love and,

1043
01:18:04,603 --> 01:18:08,440
"Everybody's wonderful and I love
everybody. Aren't I wonderful?"

1044
01:18:08,523 --> 01:18:13,153
Everybody wants to have a peaceful world
and not get shot in the head or something,

1045
01:18:13,236 --> 01:18:16,406
but you cannot change minds
by handing a flower

1046
01:18:16,489 --> 01:18:18,366
to some bozo who wants to shoot ya.

1047
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:20,577
They should have been…

1048
01:18:21,870 --> 01:18:24,873
helping homeless people or-- Do something.

1049
01:18:24,956 --> 01:18:29,294
Do something about it. Don't walk around
with your flowers in your hair.

1050
01:18:31,463 --> 01:18:35,926
That was kind of an avoidance
of how important danger was

1051
01:18:36,009 --> 01:18:37,969
and how, you know,
if you're off in that world

1052
01:18:38,053 --> 01:18:40,972
you don't recognize danger
for the value it has.

1053
01:18:42,599 --> 01:18:44,434
The human race was fucked up…

1054
01:18:45,143 --> 01:18:49,481
and they were getting fucked by society.

1055
01:18:49,564 --> 01:18:52,567
So you don't get depressed
and fall over because of it.

1056
01:18:52,651 --> 01:18:55,320
You become strong

1057
01:18:55,403 --> 01:18:58,657
and you become anti a lot of things
that other people aren't anti.

1058
01:18:58,740 --> 01:19:00,033
So you're not--

1059
01:19:00,116 --> 01:19:03,078
And that's sort of an--
the place where the artist comes in

1060
01:19:03,161 --> 01:19:05,914
because he's not with society.

1061
01:19:06,831 --> 01:19:07,958
He's different.

1062
01:19:13,213 --> 01:19:17,467
It's almost impossible to describe
the feeling of being in a rock dance,

1063
01:19:17,551 --> 01:19:21,054
and maybe that's why so many
young people flock here every weekend

1064
01:19:21,137 --> 01:19:24,432
to see what Bill Graham
and Fillmore West is all about.

1065
01:19:24,516 --> 01:19:26,560
People are generally very nice here.
There's a joie.

1066
01:19:26,643 --> 01:19:30,522
There's a certain esprit
which doesn't exist in the other cities,

1067
01:19:30,605 --> 01:19:32,566
which-- New York, Chicago, Detroit,

1068
01:19:32,649 --> 01:19:35,944
where everything is pretty nails-y,
you know, tar.

1069
01:19:36,027 --> 01:19:37,696
Boy, he hated us.

1070
01:19:37,779 --> 01:19:39,990
When we were going onstage,

1071
01:19:40,865 --> 01:19:43,910
he was standing there, and he said,
"I hope you fuckers bomb."

1072
01:19:45,287 --> 01:19:48,039
And well, why did you ask for--
Why did you book us?

1073
01:19:48,123 --> 01:19:51,918
I think he was really jealous
and pissed off

1074
01:19:52,002 --> 01:19:55,338
'cause he has claimed to have
the first multimedia,

1075
01:19:55,422 --> 01:20:00,594
and it was pitiful compared to what
Andy had put together. It really was.

1076
01:20:00,677 --> 01:20:03,597
And we get reviewed.

1077
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,809
"They should be buried,
the Velvet Underground,

1078
01:20:07,893 --> 01:20:09,394
buried underground deep."

1079
01:20:09,477 --> 01:20:12,480
That's what what's-her-name said, Cher.

1080
01:20:12,564 --> 01:20:15,692
And we go back to New York, and we go--
ready to go back to the Dom.

1081
01:20:15,775 --> 01:20:18,737
And, nope, we can't go back
to the Dom. "Why?"

1082
01:20:18,820 --> 01:20:23,116
Well, he sold the lease to Al Grossman,

1083
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:28,121
who's Dylan's manager, and Dylan
had renamed it the Balloon Farm.

1084
01:20:28,830 --> 01:20:31,625
And we were out.

1085
01:20:33,919 --> 01:20:35,462
Here she comes now

1086
01:20:37,172 --> 01:20:38,924
She's gone, gone, gone

1087
01:20:40,383 --> 01:20:42,302
Ready, ready, ready, ready, ready

1088
01:20:42,385 --> 01:20:44,888
And the second album came around,
and that was when you saw

1089
01:20:44,971 --> 01:20:47,182
the effects of what being on the road did.

1090
01:20:47,265 --> 01:20:50,227
And all the aggro.
And it really told you--

1091
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:53,271
The aggro reflected everything
that was going on in the band.

1092
01:20:54,147 --> 01:20:56,399
It was getting really
more and more difficult for us

1093
01:20:56,483 --> 01:20:58,818
to operate together.

1094
01:20:59,361 --> 01:21:02,322
-I know that she's long dead and gone
-Heard her call my name

1095
01:21:02,405 --> 01:21:05,575
-Still, it ain't the same
-Heard her call my name

1096
01:21:05,659 --> 01:21:08,954
Oh, when I wake up in this morning
Mama

1097
01:21:09,037 --> 01:21:12,123
-I heard her call my name
-Heard her call my name

1098
01:21:14,459 --> 01:21:18,088
Probably the speediest album
that there was. Really cranked up.

1099
01:21:18,171 --> 01:21:20,048
The engineer left.

1100
01:21:20,131 --> 01:21:23,093
One of the engineers said,
"I don't have to listen to this.

1101
01:21:23,176 --> 01:21:26,805
I'll put it in record and I'm leaving.
When you're done, come and get me."

1102
01:21:37,399 --> 01:21:41,069
-White light
-White light goin', messin' up my mind

1103
01:21:41,152 --> 01:21:42,988
-White light
-And don't you know

1104
01:21:43,071 --> 01:21:45,740
-It's gonna make me go blind
-White heat

1105
01:21:45,824 --> 01:21:48,785
Aw, white heat
It tickle me down to my toes

1106
01:21:48,868 --> 01:21:50,662
-White light
-Oh, have mercy

1107
01:21:50,745 --> 01:21:52,581
While I have it, goodness knows

1108
01:21:52,664 --> 01:21:55,166
All the songs
that were on the second album,

1109
01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:58,169
it was all off the cuff and aggressive.

1110
01:21:58,962 --> 01:22:01,923
I mean, that's
that's straight amphetamine.

1111
01:22:02,007 --> 01:22:04,718
Aw, white heat
It tickle me down to my toes

1112
01:22:05,302 --> 01:22:06,636
Nobody was really talking to each other.

1113
01:22:07,554 --> 01:22:11,391
You know, everybody kept
pushing their faders up.

1114
01:22:11,474 --> 01:22:14,060
And so it got louder
and louder and louder.

1115
01:22:14,144 --> 01:22:18,356
"Well, who's the loudest now?"
You know, it was just child games.

1116
01:22:22,068 --> 01:22:24,654
If we don't improvise,
we're gonna drive each other crazy.

1117
01:22:24,738 --> 01:22:27,574
Well, as it turned out,
we drive each other crazy anyway.

1118
01:22:27,657 --> 01:22:30,869
But improvisation helped on the road

1119
01:22:30,952 --> 01:22:34,664
when you just got off
playing the song over and over and over.

1120
01:22:35,707 --> 01:22:37,834
Cooperation was breaking down.

1121
01:22:38,543 --> 01:22:41,463
White light moved in me
Through my brain

1122
01:22:41,546 --> 01:22:43,673
-White light
-White light goin'

1123
01:22:43,757 --> 01:22:46,218
-Makin' you go insane
-White heat

1124
01:22:46,301 --> 01:22:49,804
Aw, white heat
It tickles me down to my toes

1125
01:22:49,888 --> 01:22:52,766
White light, I said now
Goodness knows

1126
01:22:52,849 --> 01:22:57,062
We never intended that now
it's the Velvet Underground and Nico.

1127
01:22:57,145 --> 01:23:00,523
That-- It was just a-- That was
in our minds a temporary thing.

1128
01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:19,042
Here's Room 546

1129
01:23:20,168 --> 01:23:23,380
It's enough to make you sick

1130
01:23:24,714 --> 01:23:28,009
Brigid's all wrapped up in foil

1131
01:23:28,093 --> 01:23:30,971
You wonder if

1132
01:23:32,347 --> 01:23:35,725
Nico did everything
that we asked her to do in the band,

1133
01:23:36,351 --> 01:23:39,187
and-- But I think
that in her heart of hearts

1134
01:23:39,271 --> 01:23:41,648
there was something else
that was really pulling her.

1135
01:23:44,526 --> 01:23:47,779
She would always be sitting down
writing lyrics, writing poetry.

1136
01:23:49,155 --> 01:23:54,244
There was always something
drawing her away from collective work.

1137
01:23:57,872 --> 01:23:59,332
She was a wanderer.

1138
01:23:59,416 --> 01:24:04,713
She wandered into the situation,
and then she just quietly wandered off.

1139
01:24:07,299 --> 01:24:10,844
Magic marker row

1140
01:24:10,927 --> 01:24:13,930
You wonder just

1141
01:24:15,557 --> 01:24:19,102
How high they go

1142
01:24:20,729 --> 01:24:22,814
Here they come now

1143
01:24:22,898 --> 01:24:25,775
And then it-- After all of that,

1144
01:24:25,859 --> 01:24:28,862
Lou suddenly went crazy.

1145
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:34,284
And then fired Andy and…

1146
01:24:35,118 --> 01:24:36,578
and Andy called him a rat.

1147
01:24:52,010 --> 01:24:54,930
The whole thing was done
behind closed doors.

1148
01:24:55,013 --> 01:24:56,973
I mean, I had no idea
that Lou had fired Andy.

1149
01:24:58,808 --> 01:25:01,603
People thought Andy Warhol
was the lead guitarist,

1150
01:25:01,686 --> 01:25:07,484
and that made life a little difficult when
we left the-- our great shepherd.

1151
01:25:41,935 --> 01:25:43,353
So this is called "Sister Ray."

1152
01:25:45,981 --> 01:25:47,566
It's about some queens.

1153
01:25:49,442 --> 01:25:51,570
And one's called Duck
and the other's called Sally.

1154
01:26:01,204 --> 01:26:04,249
Duck and Sally inside

1155
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:08,169
Searching for the down pipe

1156
01:26:09,337 --> 01:26:12,173
Who're staring at Miss Rayon

1157
01:26:13,717 --> 01:26:16,094
Who's licking up her pig pen

1158
01:26:17,929 --> 01:26:20,473
I'm searching for my mainline

1159
01:26:22,267 --> 01:26:24,644
I couldn't hit it sideways

1160
01:26:24,728 --> 01:26:28,440
Harvard professors,
fashion models from New York,

1161
01:26:29,107 --> 01:26:31,276
honest-to-God juvenile delinquents,

1162
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:32,861
you know, bike gangs…

1163
01:26:34,946 --> 01:26:36,865
nerds like myself.

1164
01:26:39,576 --> 01:26:42,621
Grateful Dead fans. A lot of people
were fans of both bands.

1165
01:26:50,712 --> 01:26:53,632
We started realizing
that we were getting a following.

1166
01:26:53,715 --> 01:26:56,885
And of course that was nice,

1167
01:26:56,968 --> 01:27:00,513
especially in Boston,
because we played there so often.

1168
01:27:01,765 --> 01:27:04,559
I saw them
a total of about 60 or 70 times.

1169
01:27:05,644 --> 01:27:09,356
The reason I felt emotionally free
hearing it is I was hearing this music

1170
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,650
that I realized sounded like nothing else.

1171
01:27:11,733 --> 01:27:14,361
They'd get into a certain sound
and then never again.

1172
01:27:14,444 --> 01:27:15,862
That was what was exciting.

1173
01:27:15,946 --> 01:27:17,948
Oh, do it, yeah, just like

1174
01:27:18,573 --> 01:27:20,575
Yeah, just like Sister Ray said

1175
01:27:21,409 --> 01:27:24,955
So not only was it new,
but it was radically different.

1176
01:27:25,747 --> 01:27:30,794
It was this slow, mid-tempo or slow tempo
stuff that wasn't rock and roll.

1177
01:27:30,877 --> 01:27:33,797
It was this strange, strange melodies.

1178
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,342
You could watch them play

1179
01:27:38,301 --> 01:27:40,512
and there would be overtones
that you couldn't account for.

1180
01:27:40,595 --> 01:27:42,013
You could see with, you know--

1181
01:27:43,974 --> 01:27:46,184
Then you'd hear a lead--
a fuzz lead over that.

1182
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:49,062
Something-- And you'd hear the bassline.

1183
01:27:51,815 --> 01:27:54,276
But there'd be
these other sounds in the room,

1184
01:27:54,359 --> 01:27:56,570
and you could look at everyone
and you were just--

1185
01:27:56,653 --> 01:27:58,613
Where is it coming from?

1186
01:27:58,697 --> 01:28:01,074
It was this group sound.

1187
01:28:13,461 --> 01:28:16,965
Typical would be a long version
of "Sister Ray"

1188
01:28:17,048 --> 01:28:19,259
and the five seconds afterwards.

1189
01:28:20,552 --> 01:28:24,264
The five seconds afterwards tells you
a lot about what it was like to see them.

1190
01:28:24,347 --> 01:28:26,141
So all of a sudden, you know,
they'd be going--

1191
01:28:28,351 --> 01:28:30,562
Then all the different keyboard parts.

1192
01:28:33,732 --> 01:28:36,484
Then there was that--
all these different things. The drums.

1193
01:28:36,568 --> 01:28:37,652
And all of a sudden--

1194
01:28:39,195 --> 01:28:41,698
And it would stop like that,
and the audience

1195
01:28:41,781 --> 01:28:45,452
would be dead silent for one…

1196
01:28:49,581 --> 01:28:53,168
Five, and then they'd applaud.

1197
01:28:54,419 --> 01:28:58,340
They, the Velvet Underground,
had hypnotized them one more time.

1198
01:29:01,218 --> 01:29:03,845
Here I am at the Boston Tea Party,

1199
01:29:03,929 --> 01:29:05,680
and the Velvet Underground
has got their amps.

1200
01:29:05,764 --> 01:29:08,934
They are already starting to set up.
I just watched them tune up.

1201
01:29:09,517 --> 01:29:10,852
I would ask questions.

1202
01:29:10,936 --> 01:29:14,481
I'd say, "How come you use just
the fuzz tone on that passage? Why?"

1203
01:29:14,564 --> 01:29:15,857
And like, "And that sound?"

1204
01:29:15,941 --> 01:29:19,611
And he'd say, "That sound,
young man, is many things."

1205
01:29:21,279 --> 01:29:25,283
And Sterling Morrison was the one
who taught me how to play guitar.

1206
01:29:25,367 --> 01:29:28,912
The freedom of it made me feel
less tied to high school,

1207
01:29:28,995 --> 01:29:32,165
less tied to any conventions
that other music had

1208
01:29:32,249 --> 01:29:34,793
and helped me figure out
how to make my own music.

1209
01:29:35,418 --> 01:29:38,505
This is what they were like.
They were generous.

1210
01:29:38,588 --> 01:29:42,968
They were certainly generous with me.
They let me open a show for them once.

1211
01:29:43,051 --> 01:29:46,513
And so when there was tensions
between people in the band,

1212
01:29:47,264 --> 01:29:49,224
I was allowed to hang around.

1213
01:29:49,307 --> 01:29:51,226
They knew I wasn't gonna say anything.

1214
01:29:52,060 --> 01:29:55,146
But, yeah, you could feel some tension.

1215
01:29:55,230 --> 01:29:58,650
But I was very shocked
when it was so extreme

1216
01:29:58,733 --> 01:30:02,070
that John Cale wasn't in the band anymore.

1217
01:30:08,410 --> 01:30:11,246
There were often sparks,
you know, the three guys.

1218
01:30:11,329 --> 01:30:16,376
In fact, you know, I could hardly go
to a rehearsal, it was just so stressful.

1219
01:30:16,459 --> 01:30:19,671
They might have been arguing
about the music itself.

1220
01:30:19,754 --> 01:30:22,841
Or Lou could just be being peevish,

1221
01:30:22,924 --> 01:30:26,928
or maybe too much in charge,
telling other people what to do.

1222
01:30:28,096 --> 01:30:29,639
That was just always there.

1223
01:30:29,723 --> 01:30:32,767
Lou going for it, being on top.

1224
01:30:39,941 --> 01:30:41,943
I really didn't know how to please him.

1225
01:30:42,694 --> 01:30:46,364
I mean, there was nothing
that I could do that--

1226
01:30:46,990 --> 01:30:50,577
You'd try and be nice,
he'd hate you more. He was…

1227
01:30:53,246 --> 01:30:56,791
And trying to suggest something,
he'd just dismiss it.

1228
01:30:57,876 --> 01:30:59,502
He's a tortured person.

1229
01:31:00,962 --> 01:31:04,216
Although I have to say, John Cale,
he could really go off.

1230
01:31:04,299 --> 01:31:07,677
He just makes it so unpleasant
to be near him

1231
01:31:08,678 --> 01:31:10,180
if he doesn't feel good.

1232
01:31:10,263 --> 01:31:11,389
And he was dark.

1233
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:17,604
The thing that we understood
where we were, where everything else was,

1234
01:31:17,687 --> 01:31:20,190
and how much disdain we had
for everything else.

1235
01:31:20,899 --> 01:31:24,110
You know, in the end, unfortunately,

1236
01:31:24,194 --> 01:31:27,197
it became each of us.

1237
01:31:27,948 --> 01:31:31,201
I think there came a point
when you just said, "Hell with it.

1238
01:31:31,284 --> 01:31:35,038
We're not solving our problems here
by acting like this.

1239
01:31:35,121 --> 01:31:39,084
And nobody's out there
to help us to straighten it out."

1240
01:31:39,167 --> 01:31:42,879
And we'd never let anybody tell us
what to do.

1241
01:31:44,422 --> 01:31:48,969
If all those drugs hadn't been around, we
would have all been pushing for something.

1242
01:31:49,844 --> 01:31:52,722
That it was the time
to really back off for a minute…

1243
01:31:54,099 --> 01:31:55,600
because the trust was gone.

1244
01:31:57,143 --> 01:31:59,104
Maybe Lou got jealous.

1245
01:31:59,187 --> 01:32:01,231
I would attribute it
to something like that.

1246
01:32:03,108 --> 01:32:08,029
Lou made an ultimatum
that either he or John would have to go.

1247
01:32:08,113 --> 01:32:11,741
He called Sterling and I, and we met him
at a coffee shop or something,

1248
01:32:11,825 --> 01:32:13,326
and he told us this.

1249
01:32:13,410 --> 01:32:15,328
You know, he just couldn't work
with John anymore,

1250
01:32:15,412 --> 01:32:18,707
and we could either
stay with him or go with John.

1251
01:32:20,292 --> 01:32:24,838
I got a visit from Sterling,
and he said, "I've just come from Lou."

1252
01:32:24,921 --> 01:32:26,965
And I said, "Yeah,
we gotta start rehearsing.

1253
01:32:27,048 --> 01:32:28,675
We're going to Cleveland on--
on the weekend."

1254
01:32:28,758 --> 01:32:32,137
He said, "Well, no."
He said, "We are, yes. You're not."

1255
01:32:33,013 --> 01:32:34,264
And I said, "What are you talking about?"

1256
01:32:34,347 --> 01:32:38,101
He said, "Well, Lou's sent me over here
to tell you that

1257
01:32:38,184 --> 01:32:41,271
he told the rest of us that if John goes,
I don't go."

1258
01:32:42,022 --> 01:32:43,064
And that was it.

1259
01:32:43,690 --> 01:32:45,692
And there was that moment again,

1260
01:32:45,775 --> 01:32:49,571
that flash of wondering
what the hell's gonna happen next.

1261
01:32:52,365 --> 01:32:55,493
I thought,
"Well, I better get on to production."

1262
01:33:00,290 --> 01:33:03,877
It was really devastating to me,
because by this point,

1263
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,713
this band helped me understand life.

1264
01:33:06,796 --> 01:33:10,926
Like, the sounds they were making
helped me build a dreamscape.

1265
01:33:11,009 --> 01:33:13,220
Their tone colors-- this was--

1266
01:33:14,429 --> 01:33:17,599
I mean, to me this was being-- like
being in the presence of Michelangelo.

1267
01:33:22,145 --> 01:33:27,025
Lou really, really wanted
to get some success going.

1268
01:33:27,108 --> 01:33:28,693
You know, real success.

1269
01:33:29,444 --> 01:33:35,116
Maybe he wanted to make it less
avant-garde, or whatever the word is.

1270
01:33:37,535 --> 01:33:39,037
You know, more normal.

1271
01:33:41,081 --> 01:33:42,666
Here we go. Rolling on one.

1272
01:34:06,231 --> 01:34:08,400
She's over by the corner

1273
01:34:08,483 --> 01:34:11,152
Doug Yule came in from what I remember,

1274
01:34:11,236 --> 01:34:13,530
gallantly learning many songs
very quickly.

1275
01:34:14,155 --> 01:34:18,952
And he in himself
was a very exacting and serious musician.

1276
01:34:19,578 --> 01:34:23,164
And with his own harmonic sense,
which brought something different.

1277
01:34:25,375 --> 01:34:27,168
I think the difference was profound.

1278
01:34:27,919 --> 01:34:29,588
I think we were still a good band,

1279
01:34:29,671 --> 01:34:33,550
and Doug had his own things
to bring to the band,

1280
01:34:33,633 --> 01:34:35,927
but no one could replace Cale.

1281
01:34:36,011 --> 01:34:38,597
Don't you know something?
She sent 'em right back

1282
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,140
All right

1283
01:34:42,934 --> 01:34:44,728
Good evening.

1284
01:34:44,811 --> 01:34:47,022
We're your local Velvet Underground,

1285
01:34:47,105 --> 01:34:49,733
and I'm glad to see you.

1286
01:34:52,485 --> 01:34:53,820
Thank you.

1287
01:34:53,904 --> 01:34:57,741
And we're particularly glad
that people could find a little time

1288
01:34:57,824 --> 01:35:00,493
to come out and just have some fun
to some rock and roll.

1289
01:35:04,122 --> 01:35:05,540
They were playing really quiet.

1290
01:35:05,624 --> 01:35:07,459
They'd started playing much quieter
at this point.

1291
01:35:14,633 --> 01:35:17,385
Sometimes I feel so happy

1292
01:35:20,388 --> 01:35:22,974
Sometimes I feel so sad

1293
01:35:26,102 --> 01:35:28,688
Sometimes I feel so happy

1294
01:35:30,148 --> 01:35:34,027
But mostly you just make me mad

1295
01:35:36,404 --> 01:35:39,824
Baby, you just make me mad

1296
01:35:43,870 --> 01:35:48,875
Linger on

1297
01:35:48,959 --> 01:35:52,045
Your pale blue eyes

1298
01:35:55,507 --> 01:36:00,512
Linger on

1299
01:36:00,595 --> 01:36:03,848
Your pale blue eyes

1300
01:36:03,932 --> 01:36:07,227
There was a certain theory
behind it, and that was of space.

1301
01:36:07,310 --> 01:36:09,020
Like, all the songs were very spacey.

1302
01:36:09,104 --> 01:36:12,399
Like, you know, we didn't put things in,
we took things out,

1303
01:36:12,482 --> 01:36:15,151
which is kind of the reverse
of the way everybody else works.

1304
01:36:15,235 --> 01:36:19,406
Like, you know, we never add instruments,
we don't bring people in for sessions.

1305
01:36:19,489 --> 01:36:24,327
We don't-- We don't basically do anything
that we can't reproduce onstage.

1306
01:36:35,547 --> 01:36:40,844
The third album, the gray album,
we were playing in LA,

1307
01:36:40,927 --> 01:36:44,472
and Steve said, you know,
"There's a change of plans.

1308
01:36:44,556 --> 01:36:47,100
We're gonna stay over an extra week
and do an album."

1309
01:36:48,143 --> 01:36:51,438
Candy says

1310
01:36:53,648 --> 01:36:57,736
"I've come to hate my body

1311
01:36:59,613 --> 01:37:03,491
And all that it requires…

1312
01:37:03,575 --> 01:37:05,869
"Candy Says" has its own kind of tension.

1313
01:37:05,952 --> 01:37:09,122
You know, it's about somebody saying,
"I've come to hate my body

1314
01:37:09,205 --> 01:37:11,082
and all it requires in this world."

1315
01:37:11,166 --> 01:37:13,585
And with all that little pretty music
going on, you know,

1316
01:37:13,668 --> 01:37:15,921
and you start figuring, you know,
"What is that all about?"

1317
01:37:16,004 --> 01:37:19,049
And then the whole rest of
the third album is just about that.

1318
01:37:19,758 --> 01:37:22,427
Over my shoulder

1319
01:37:22,510 --> 01:37:24,846
What do you think I'd see

1320
01:37:24,930 --> 01:37:28,475
I didn't know I was going to sing
that song until we were doing the vocals,

1321
01:37:28,558 --> 01:37:31,186
and he sang one, and he came back in
and said, "Why don't you sing one?

1322
01:37:31,269 --> 01:37:35,106
You know, it's fun to not always sing.
It's fun to kick back and, you know,

1323
01:37:35,190 --> 01:37:37,567
play the guitar and just not have
to be the lead voice."

1324
01:37:38,151 --> 01:37:41,279
This is a song that
I originally had figured on

1325
01:37:41,363 --> 01:37:45,283
featuring myself doing it with a,
you know, spotlight and a gold lamé dress.

1326
01:37:45,367 --> 01:37:47,786
But then I figured,
"Well, you know, I don't--

1327
01:37:47,869 --> 01:37:49,287
I don't know if they're ready
to accept that."

1328
01:37:49,913 --> 01:37:51,915
So, we got old Maureen out

1329
01:37:51,998 --> 01:37:54,668
and we figured they'll believe her
where they wouldn't believe me.

1330
01:37:54,751 --> 01:37:56,711
This'll be our last song for this set.

1331
01:37:56,795 --> 01:37:58,505
It's called "After Hours."

1332
01:37:58,588 --> 01:38:01,800
If you close the door

1333
01:38:03,051 --> 01:38:06,680
The night could last forever

1334
01:38:06,763 --> 01:38:10,141
Leave the sunshine out

1335
01:38:11,226 --> 01:38:13,770
And say hello to never

1336
01:38:13,853 --> 01:38:15,855
I was scared to death.

1337
01:38:15,939 --> 01:38:21,653
I'd never sang anything, and I was
really like, "I can't do this, and--"

1338
01:38:21,736 --> 01:38:24,406
In fact,
we had to send Sterling out of the room

1339
01:38:24,489 --> 01:38:26,533
because he was laughing at me.

1340
01:38:28,326 --> 01:38:30,620
I'd never have to see the day again

1341
01:38:30,704 --> 01:38:35,333
I told Lou, "I don't wanna sing it live
unless someone requests it,"

1342
01:38:35,417 --> 01:38:38,169
'cause I was hoping
no one would ever request it.

1343
01:38:38,962 --> 01:38:42,424
And, like, two shows later,
we were in Texas

1344
01:38:42,507 --> 01:38:44,801
and someone requested it,
and I got through it, so…

1345
01:38:44,885 --> 01:38:47,053
And drink a toast to never

1346
01:38:47,137 --> 01:38:50,682
When they did play the Boston Tea Party,
and Maureen would come out and sing,

1347
01:38:50,765 --> 01:38:54,060
people who weren't even fans
of the band much that night,

1348
01:38:54,144 --> 01:38:56,897
juvenile delinquents who just said,
"Who are these guys?

1349
01:38:56,980 --> 01:39:00,066
There's no Jimmy Page guitar solo here,
what is this crap?"

1350
01:39:00,150 --> 01:39:03,612
All of a sudden, when, you know,
Maureen Tucker would come out,

1351
01:39:03,695 --> 01:39:08,241
you know, and would just come out,
just go, "If you close the door,"

1352
01:39:08,325 --> 01:39:11,536
and everybody-- she'd get everybody.

1353
01:39:12,537 --> 01:39:13,580
Thank you.

1354
01:39:28,136 --> 01:39:30,805
Jenny said
When she was just five years old

1355
01:39:30,889 --> 01:39:33,725
There was nothing happening at all

1356
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:39,940
Every time she puts on the radio

1357
01:39:40,023 --> 01:39:43,318
There was nothing going down at all

1358
01:39:43,401 --> 01:39:44,819
Not at all

1359
01:39:46,404 --> 01:39:49,157
Then one fine morning she puts on
A New York station

1360
01:39:49,241 --> 01:39:51,910
You know, she don't believe
What she heard at all

1361
01:39:55,247 --> 01:39:57,832
She started shaking
To that fine, fine music

1362
01:39:57,916 --> 01:40:01,503
You know her life was saved
By rock and roll

1363
01:40:03,380 --> 01:40:06,550
Despite all the amputation

1364
01:40:06,633 --> 01:40:10,428
You know you could just go out
And dance to the rock and roll station

1365
01:40:10,512 --> 01:40:13,598
-And it was all right
-It was all right

1366
01:40:13,682 --> 01:40:17,978
-Hey, baby, you know it was all right
-It was all right

1367
01:40:32,826 --> 01:40:36,037
Like Jenny said
When she was just about five years old

1368
01:40:36,121 --> 01:40:39,541
Hey, you know
There's nothing happening at all

1369
01:40:39,624 --> 01:40:43,670
Any one thing I could do over again
would be to refuse to do Loaded

1370
01:40:43,753 --> 01:40:45,589
until Maureen was, you know, able to play.

1371
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:51,303
Loaded was recorded in April,
I believe, of '70.

1372
01:40:51,386 --> 01:40:54,347
And I was pregnant and too fat
to reach the drums,

1373
01:40:54,431 --> 01:40:55,765
so I couldn't play.

1374
01:40:56,892 --> 01:40:59,311
I was disappointed, 'cause there was
a number of songs on there

1375
01:40:59,394 --> 01:41:02,063
that I think really required me.

1376
01:41:02,147 --> 01:41:03,565
It was a big difference.

1377
01:41:07,277 --> 01:41:09,863
You know, Maureen wasn't in it,
Sterling was--

1378
01:41:09,946 --> 01:41:13,366
he stopped coming after a while.
I play a lot of guitar on Loaded.

1379
01:41:13,450 --> 01:41:15,160
You know, it must have been
very frustrating for him

1380
01:41:15,243 --> 01:41:17,454
to just sit in the control room for hours,
you know,

1381
01:41:17,537 --> 01:41:21,124
while some little part was,
you know, thrashed out.

1382
01:41:21,833 --> 01:41:25,837
I knew that they were making records,
I knew that-- I never met Doug.

1383
01:41:26,546 --> 01:41:28,089
I don't--

1384
01:41:28,173 --> 01:41:31,885
But whatever it was,
it wasn't my business anymore.

1385
01:41:32,385 --> 01:41:34,137
And Lou made it clear
it wasn't my business.

1386
01:41:36,014 --> 01:41:39,059
They were unique in the very beginning.

1387
01:41:39,142 --> 01:41:43,355
Every member was an equal contributor
in their own right, you know.

1388
01:41:43,438 --> 01:41:45,607
But now they were like
a regular rock and roll band,

1389
01:41:45,690 --> 01:41:49,694
and they had a brilliant,
creative person totally in charge.

1390
01:41:49,778 --> 01:41:52,364
And Lou had tons of pop songs.

1391
01:41:53,490 --> 01:41:57,202
And Lou started to find his own voice.

1392
01:41:59,329 --> 01:42:03,333
Pop dissolved high culture.
That's what Lou brought in.

1393
01:42:03,416 --> 01:42:05,752
That came bubbling out of Long Island.

1394
01:42:05,835 --> 01:42:09,881
Melting the crystalline structure,
which was just what we had had in mind.

1395
01:42:13,218 --> 01:42:15,679
Standing on the corner

1396
01:42:17,889 --> 01:42:20,517
Suitcase in my hand

1397
01:42:21,309 --> 01:42:24,729
Jack is in his corset
Jane is in her vest

1398
01:42:26,314 --> 01:42:28,650
And me, I'm in a rock and roll band

1399
01:42:32,112 --> 01:42:34,489
Riding in a Stutz Bear Cat, Jim

1400
01:42:35,615 --> 01:42:38,910
You know, those were different times

1401
01:42:40,704 --> 01:42:43,540
Oh, all the poets
They studied rules of verse

1402
01:42:43,623 --> 01:42:47,002
And those ladies
They rolled their eyes

1403
01:42:50,213 --> 01:42:54,217
Sweet Jane

1404
01:42:55,010 --> 01:42:59,222
Sweet Jane

1405
01:42:59,306 --> 01:43:02,684
Sweet Jane

1406
01:43:02,767 --> 01:43:05,896
I just think it's fantastic that
we can play this stuff in public.

1407
01:43:05,979 --> 01:43:08,857
I mean, you know, it really turns me on
that it turns them on.

1408
01:43:08,940 --> 01:43:11,234
And Jane, she is a clerk

1409
01:43:11,318 --> 01:43:13,904
We don't have any point to prove
or any ax to grind,

1410
01:43:13,987 --> 01:43:17,157
or just anything to tell anybody else.

1411
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:20,076
And when
When they come home from work

1412
01:43:22,621 --> 01:43:24,414
He knew he was talented.

1413
01:43:24,497 --> 01:43:29,127
He knew he was a great
guitar player and a great songwriter.

1414
01:43:30,086 --> 01:43:34,549
And we weren't getting anywhere
as far as what he hoped to achieve.

1415
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:38,720
And, damn it… when is this gonna happen?

1416
01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:43,225
But anyone who ever had a heart

1417
01:43:43,850 --> 01:43:48,230
Oh, they wouldn't turn around
And break it

1418
01:43:49,105 --> 01:43:52,442
And anyone who ever played a part

1419
01:43:52,525 --> 01:43:56,821
Oh, they wouldn't turn around
And hate it

1420
01:43:58,531 --> 01:44:02,452
Sweet Jane

1421
01:44:03,078 --> 01:44:06,206
Sweet Jane

1422
01:44:12,837 --> 01:44:14,965
Then came the show at Max's.

1423
01:44:17,551 --> 01:44:18,969
He just ground to a halt.

1424
01:44:21,721 --> 01:44:24,266
Here comes the ocean

1425
01:44:24,933 --> 01:44:30,272
And the waves down by the sea

1426
01:44:30,355 --> 01:44:32,566
To think that this is after five years,

1427
01:44:32,649 --> 01:44:39,155
they're playing upstairs at Max's
with a way shrunken band.

1428
01:44:39,239 --> 01:44:43,368
And the waves, where have they been?

1429
01:44:47,998 --> 01:44:51,251
He was growling,
just barely getting through it.

1430
01:44:51,334 --> 01:44:53,253
Really not having any fun.

1431
01:44:53,336 --> 01:44:57,883
It could just drive me crazy

1432
01:44:57,966 --> 01:44:59,885
I'd kind of decided to go back to school.

1433
01:44:59,968 --> 01:45:03,972
Get away from all of that sort of thing.

1434
01:45:05,724 --> 01:45:07,434
He just didn't wanna tell us, I think.

1435
01:45:07,517 --> 01:45:11,605
He didn't run away, but when he told
us was as we walked in the airport.

1436
01:45:11,688 --> 01:45:13,899
He finally said, "I'm not going."

1437
01:45:16,568 --> 01:45:19,154
And he did tell me the reason he did that

1438
01:45:19,237 --> 01:45:21,197
was he was afraid
they'd talk him out of it.

1439
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:24,075
Moe would cry. No.

1440
01:45:25,619 --> 01:45:28,955
Moe said it was like being
stabbed in the heart by him.

1441
01:45:29,539 --> 01:45:32,459
…of the land

1442
01:45:32,542 --> 01:45:38,215
That has been down by the sea

1443
01:45:40,717 --> 01:45:45,597
I had gone to see them at Max's,
and the set was over,

1444
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:49,059
and Lou came and walked
towards the exit.

1445
01:45:49,142 --> 01:45:51,561
I said, "Oh, Lou."
He just kept walking really fast.

1446
01:45:53,438 --> 01:45:56,650
And then someone said,
"He just quit the band."

1447
01:45:56,733 --> 01:45:59,402
Down by the sea

1448
01:46:00,654 --> 01:46:03,907
He just quit. That's it.
That's-- he-- it's over.

1449
01:46:06,284 --> 01:46:12,749
Here comes the ocean and the waves

1450
01:46:12,832 --> 01:46:15,794
Down by the shore

1451
01:46:19,631 --> 01:46:23,343
Here comes the ocean

1452
01:46:23,426 --> 01:46:26,096
And the waves…

1453
01:46:26,179 --> 01:46:29,391
After he left the band, he went
and stayed at his parents' house

1454
01:46:29,474 --> 01:46:31,101
for a year and a half or something.

1455
01:46:31,851 --> 01:46:35,981
He was trying to get it together,
I guess, his brains.

1456
01:46:36,565 --> 01:46:39,568
There'd been, like, a real
problem with management.

1457
01:46:39,651 --> 01:46:41,570
I went off to lick my wounds.

1458
01:46:41,653 --> 01:46:43,822
My mother had told me
when I was in school, she said,

1459
01:46:43,905 --> 01:46:47,534
"You should take typing so you have
a profession to fall back on."

1460
01:46:47,617 --> 01:46:52,539
I am a lazy son
I never get things done

1461
01:46:52,622 --> 01:46:57,252
Made up mostly of water

1462
01:46:57,335 --> 01:46:59,921
And here

1463
01:47:00,005 --> 01:47:03,049
Come the waves

1464
01:47:06,303 --> 01:47:09,180
Down by the shore

1465
01:47:09,264 --> 01:47:11,850
They had shined so brightly

1466
01:47:11,933 --> 01:47:17,022
that no space could contain
that amount of light being put out.

1467
01:47:25,155 --> 01:47:29,034
You need physics
to describe that band at its height.

1468
01:47:29,117 --> 01:47:32,120
Here come the waves

1469
01:47:35,206 --> 01:47:39,544
It had entropy within it.

1470
01:47:40,629 --> 01:47:44,633
Here come the waves

1471
01:47:53,808 --> 01:47:57,354
Here come the waves

1472
01:48:29,469 --> 01:48:35,517
Here come the waves

1473
01:48:39,980 --> 01:48:45,986
Here come the waves

1474
01:48:50,282 --> 01:48:55,245
Here come the waves

1475
01:49:03,461 --> 01:49:05,714
Hello? Yeah.

1476
01:49:06,256 --> 01:49:07,340
It's Barbara.

1477
01:49:10,135 --> 01:49:12,053
Hey, is anything happening?

1478
01:49:12,971 --> 01:49:14,097
Great.

1479
01:49:14,848 --> 01:49:18,143
Don't be silly.
Just get something over here quick.

1480
01:49:20,186 --> 01:49:21,313
I'll talk to you later.

1481
01:49:25,066 --> 01:49:26,735
Do you like the way the colors go in that?

1482
01:49:26,818 --> 01:49:28,236
They're very strange.

1483
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,238
They're photo-- photographs or…

1484
01:49:30,322 --> 01:49:32,490
-No, they're paintings.
-They look nice.

1485
01:49:32,574 --> 01:49:34,743
But there's one
of the Velvet Underground in there.

1486
01:49:34,826 --> 01:49:36,703
Isn't that amazing?

1487
01:49:36,786 --> 01:49:38,413
That is amazing.

1488
01:49:39,706 --> 01:49:40,999
Who's this one person?

1489
01:49:41,082 --> 01:49:42,292
-That's Sterling.
-Sterling.

1490
01:49:43,376 --> 01:49:45,837
I missed that one.

1491
01:49:45,921 --> 01:49:47,047
Do you still see any of them?

1492
01:49:47,130 --> 01:49:51,009
Yeah, I saw Maureen last week.

1493
01:49:51,593 --> 01:49:53,595
Yeah, she's a computer programmer now.

1494
01:49:53,678 --> 01:49:55,513
-Yeah. She works in a factory.
-What do--

1495
01:49:55,597 --> 01:49:56,890
-In more than one sense.
-Really?

1496
01:49:58,642 --> 01:50:00,852
IBM. She's got a kid.

1497
01:50:00,936 --> 01:50:03,563
You still in contact with John? John Cale?

1498
01:50:04,189 --> 01:50:06,107
Yeah, I heard from him the other day.

1499
01:50:06,608 --> 01:50:09,486
What is he--
He's still writing, of course, but…

1500
01:50:09,569 --> 01:50:12,072
He's working for Island Records and…

1501
01:50:12,948 --> 01:50:14,908
He's with Island? I didn't realize--

1502
01:50:14,991 --> 01:50:17,244
He was with Warner Brothers,
now he's with Island.

1503
01:50:27,921 --> 01:50:29,756
It took us a while to get here.

1504
01:50:33,260 --> 01:50:37,180
I don't know

1505
01:50:37,764 --> 01:50:40,183
Just where I'm going

1506
01:50:43,728 --> 01:50:47,732
But I'm going to try

1507
01:50:47,816 --> 01:50:49,943
For the kingdom if I can

1508
01:50:50,944 --> 01:50:55,448
'Cause it makes me feel like I'm a man

1509
01:50:56,199 --> 01:51:00,245
When I put a spike into my vein

1510
01:51:00,912 --> 01:51:04,958
Oh, I tell you
Things aren't quite the same

1511
01:51:05,917 --> 01:51:09,462
When I'm rushing on my run

1512
01:51:10,505 --> 01:51:13,842
And I feel just like Jesus' son

1513
01:51:14,885 --> 01:51:18,096
And I guess I just don't know

1514
01:51:18,972 --> 01:51:21,933
And I guess that I just don't know

1515
01:51:32,652 --> 01:51:34,362
I

1516
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:38,950
Don't know

1517
01:51:41,202 --> 01:51:44,372
I've decided a couple of things

1518
01:51:53,006 --> 01:51:54,966
But I

1519
01:51:57,761 --> 01:51:59,763
Know that I'm

1520
01:52:01,389 --> 01:52:04,601
Gonna try and negate my life

1521
01:52:04,684 --> 01:52:08,855
'Cause when the blood begins to flow

1522
01:52:09,814 --> 01:52:13,026
When it shoots up the dropper's neck

1523
01:52:13,818 --> 01:52:16,905
When I'm closing in on death

1524
01:52:28,917 --> 01:52:30,919
You can't help me

1525
01:52:31,002 --> 01:52:34,005
Not you guys
Or all you sweet pretty girls

1526
01:52:34,089 --> 01:52:36,174
With all your sweet pretty talk

1527
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,970
You can all go take a walk

1528
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:43,765
And I guess I just don't know

1529
01:52:44,641 --> 01:52:47,561
And I guess that I just don't know

1530
01:52:58,113 --> 01:53:04,536
I wish that

1531
01:53:06,329 --> 01:53:09,207
I was born a thousand years ago

1532
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:24,556
And I wish that

1533
01:53:27,142 --> 01:53:30,437
I'd sailed the darkened seas

1534
01:53:31,521 --> 01:53:35,150
On a great, big clipper ship

1535
01:53:36,359 --> 01:53:40,488
Goin' from this land here to that

1536
01:53:41,323 --> 01:53:45,160
Put on a sailor's suit and cap

1537
01:54:03,637 --> 01:54:07,849
Away from the big cities

1538
01:54:07,933 --> 01:54:11,061
Where a man cannot be free

1539
01:54:11,144 --> 01:54:14,773
Of all of the evil in this town

1540
01:54:14,856 --> 01:54:18,443
And of himself and those around

1541
01:54:18,526 --> 01:54:22,072
Oh, and I guess I just don't know

1542
01:54:22,155 --> 01:54:26,159
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know

1543
01:55:05,991 --> 01:55:12,706
And what costume
Shall the poor girl wear

1544
01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:20,589
To all tomorrow's parties?

1545
01:55:23,300 --> 01:55:29,598
A hand-me-down dress
From who-knows-where

1546
01:55:32,475 --> 01:55:37,606
To all tomorrow's parties

1547
01:55:40,275 --> 01:55:45,405
And where will she go
And what shall she do

1548
01:55:45,488 --> 01:55:49,743
When midnight comes around?

1549
01:55:53,121 --> 01:55:59,336
She'll turn once more
To Sunday's clown

1550
01:56:02,297 --> 01:56:06,968
And cry behind the door

1551
01:56:47,926 --> 01:56:54,432
And what costume shall
The poor girl wear

1552
01:56:57,519 --> 01:57:02,399
To all tomorrow's parties?

1553
01:57:05,068 --> 01:57:11,283
Why silks and linens
Of yesterday's gowns

1554
01:57:14,327 --> 01:57:19,332
To all tomorrow's parties?

1555
01:57:21,918 --> 01:57:27,132
And what will she do
With Thursday's rags

1556
01:57:27,215 --> 01:57:31,344
When Monday comes around?

1557
01:57:34,806 --> 01:57:40,937
She'll turn once more
To Sunday's clown

1558
01:57:43,857 --> 01:57:48,612
And cry behind the door

1559
01:58:47,128 --> 01:58:53,552
And what costume shall
The poor girl wear

1560
01:58:56,513 --> 01:59:01,685
To all tomorrow's parties?

1561
01:59:04,062 --> 01:59:10,110
For Thursday's child is Sunday's clown

1562
01:59:12,946 --> 01:59:17,993
For whom none will go mourning

1563
01:59:20,620 --> 01:59:25,542
A blackened shroud
A hand-me-down gown

1564
01:59:25,625 --> 01:59:30,505
Of rags and silks, a costume

1565
01:59:33,425 --> 01:59:40,432
Fit for one who sits and cries

1566
01:59:42,058 --> 01:59:47,439
For all tomorrow's parties