1 00:00:01,721 --> 00:00:03,721 -- Captions by VITAC -- www.vitac.com 2 00:00:03,721 --> 00:00:05,254 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 3 00:00:05,254 --> 00:00:06,521 [ OMINOUS CHORD STRIKES ] 4 00:00:06,521 --> 00:00:07,721 A STUNNING DEVELOPMENT 5 00:00:07,721 --> 00:00:10,754 IN THE 15-YEAR-OLD MURDER CASE OF CHANDRA LEVY. 6 00:00:10,754 --> 00:00:14,254 Narrator: IT'S ONE OF THE MOST BAFFLING MYSTERIES IN RECENT HISTORY. 7 00:00:14,254 --> 00:00:18,088 WE ARE STILL ASKING, "WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY?" 8 00:00:18,088 --> 00:00:21,088 TONIGHT, OUR THREE-PART INVESTIGATION REACHES 9 00:00:21,088 --> 00:00:22,688 A REMARKABLE CONCLUSION, 10 00:00:22,688 --> 00:00:25,688 WITH BOMBSHELL COURTROOM REVELATIONS. 11 00:00:25,688 --> 00:00:29,188 SHE LOOKED HIM IN THE EYE, AND SHE SAID, 12 00:00:29,188 --> 00:00:31,421 "YOU ARE LOWER THAN A COCKROACH. 13 00:00:31,421 --> 00:00:33,454 YOU SHOULD ROT IN HELL." 14 00:00:33,454 --> 00:00:38,154 A STAR WITNESS' EXPLOSIVE SECRET THROWS JUSTICE INTO QUESTION. 15 00:00:38,154 --> 00:00:40,854 HE STARTS SAYING HE COULD KILL SOMEBODY 16 00:00:40,854 --> 00:00:42,121 BY STICKING A SHANK 17 00:00:42,121 --> 00:00:44,121 THROUGH THEIR EYEBALL, INTO THEIR BRAIN. 18 00:00:44,121 --> 00:00:46,554 WE SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE PRIME SUSPECT. 19 00:00:46,554 --> 00:00:48,088 [ Speaking Spanish ] 20 00:00:53,321 --> 00:00:55,754 Narrator: AND, IN AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW, 21 00:00:55,754 --> 00:00:57,688 THE LEVY FAMILY'S INVESTIGATOR 22 00:00:57,688 --> 00:01:00,888 TELLS US WHAT HE THINKS HAPPENED TO CHANDRA. 23 00:01:00,888 --> 00:01:03,354 I'M SATISFIED THAT I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 24 00:01:03,354 --> 00:01:07,088 [ SUSPENSEFUL OUTRO PLAYS ] 25 00:01:07,088 --> 00:01:12,454 Alexander: THIS TRULY WAS THE CRAZIEST CASE EVER TO HIT WASHINGTON, DC. 26 00:01:12,454 --> 00:01:15,088 Dimond: WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY? 27 00:01:15,088 --> 00:01:17,854 Doyle: THE STORY GOES FROM ZERO TO 60 VERY QUICKLY. 28 00:01:17,854 --> 00:01:22,454 Dimond: WHY IS A 53-YEAR-OLD CONGRESSMAN CALLING A YOUNG INTERN? 29 00:01:22,454 --> 00:01:24,088 Chung: DID YOU KILL CHANDRA LEVY? 30 00:01:24,088 --> 00:01:25,654 I DID NOT. 31 00:01:25,654 --> 00:01:29,088 Grimm: THEY SIMPLY FOUND BONES IN A PARK ALMOST A YEAR AFTER. 32 00:01:29,088 --> 00:01:31,288 Alexander: THERE WERE NO EYEWITNESSES. 33 00:01:31,288 --> 00:01:32,788 THERE WAS NO MURDER WEAPON. 34 00:01:32,788 --> 00:01:34,788 Dimond: THEY'D FINALLY PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, 35 00:01:34,788 --> 00:01:36,288 AND IT POINTED TO ONE MAN: 36 00:01:36,288 --> 00:01:38,554 INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 37 00:01:38,554 --> 00:01:42,521 Grimm: MR. MORALES WAS A JAILHOUSE SNITCH, A RAT. 38 00:01:42,521 --> 00:01:45,388 Velez-Mitchell: THIS CASE THAT TOOK SO MANY YEARS TO BUILD 39 00:01:45,388 --> 00:01:47,154 HAS COLLAPSED OVERNIGHT. 40 00:01:47,154 --> 00:01:49,121 [ DISTORTED TUNE PLAYS ] 41 00:01:49,121 --> 00:01:51,821 Susan: IT'S THE WORST THING A MOTHER COULD EVER FACE. 42 00:01:51,821 --> 00:01:54,554 ** 43 00:01:54,554 --> 00:01:56,321 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 44 00:01:56,321 --> 00:02:00,288 FOR MONTHS, PROSECUTORS IN THE CHANDRA LEVY INVESTIGATION 45 00:02:00,288 --> 00:02:04,288 HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUILD A CASE AGAINST INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 46 00:02:04,288 --> 00:02:05,788 MR. GUANDIQUE PLED GUILTY 47 00:02:05,788 --> 00:02:07,854 TO ASSAULTING TWO WOMEN IN ROCK CREEK PARK, 48 00:02:07,854 --> 00:02:10,888 WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF WHERE MISS LEVY DISAPPEARED, 49 00:02:10,888 --> 00:02:13,521 AND HE WAS SENTENCED TO 10 YEARS IN PRISON. 50 00:02:13,521 --> 00:02:17,088 THAT'S WHY THE GOVERNMENT FOCUSED ON HIM AS A SUSPECT. 51 00:02:17,088 --> 00:02:20,788 THE POLICE WERE CONFIDENT THAT THAT WAS THEIR GUY. 52 00:02:20,788 --> 00:02:24,621 Narrator: HOWEVER, THE STATE'S CASE IS ENTIRELY CIRCUMSTANTIAL. 53 00:02:24,621 --> 00:02:27,421 THERE'S NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE THAT CONNECTS HIM 54 00:02:27,421 --> 00:02:28,888 TO CHANDRA LEVY'S DEATH, 55 00:02:28,888 --> 00:02:31,421 AND HE INSISTS HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. 56 00:02:31,421 --> 00:02:34,421 IT'S HANGIN' BY A THREAD, THIS CASE. 57 00:02:34,421 --> 00:02:36,321 Narrator: THEN, IN 2009, 58 00:02:36,321 --> 00:02:40,354 A MAN STEPS FORWARD AND TRANSFORMS THE INVESTIGATION. 59 00:02:40,354 --> 00:02:44,821 IT WAS A JAILHOUSE INFORMANT WHO CAUGHT EVERYBODY BY SURPRISE. 60 00:02:44,821 --> 00:02:48,154 ARMANDO MORALES IS A FRESNO, CALIFORNIA, NATIVE, 61 00:02:48,154 --> 00:02:52,454 A LIFETIME CRIMINAL WITH A LONG RECORD OF VIOLENT CRIMES. 62 00:02:52,454 --> 00:02:55,721 MORALES SAID THAT INGMAR GUANDIQUE TOLD HIM 63 00:02:55,721 --> 00:02:56,921 HE KILLED CHANDRA LEVY 64 00:02:56,921 --> 00:02:59,488 IN ROCK CREEK PARK. [ EERIE MUSIC CLIMBS ] 65 00:02:59,488 --> 00:03:01,254 Velez-Mitchell: THIS IS A BIG BREAKTHROUGH FOR COPS. 66 00:03:01,254 --> 00:03:02,921 IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER. 67 00:03:02,921 --> 00:03:05,554 TODAY WE MAKE A VERY SIGNIFICANT ANNOUNCEMENT. 68 00:03:05,554 --> 00:03:06,688 WE ANNOUNCE THAT THE 69 00:03:06,688 --> 00:03:09,088 METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE SECURED 70 00:03:09,088 --> 00:03:11,654 AN ARREST WARRANT IN THE HOMICIDE, 71 00:03:11,654 --> 00:03:13,988 IN 2001, OF CHANDRA LEVY. 72 00:03:13,988 --> 00:03:15,521 THE ARRESTEE IS 73 00:03:15,521 --> 00:03:17,688 INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 74 00:03:17,688 --> 00:03:19,588 PROSECUTORS THINK THEY'VE SOLVED THE CASE. 75 00:03:19,588 --> 00:03:22,088 THEY'VE GOT THEIR GUY. 76 00:03:22,088 --> 00:03:24,721 THIS CASE HAS BEEN AN EMOTIONAL ROLLER COASTER. 77 00:03:24,721 --> 00:03:27,688 WHEN GUANDIQUE WAS ARRESTED, I JUST THOUGHT, 78 00:03:27,688 --> 00:03:31,954 "FINALLY, FINALLY, THIS CASE CLOSES." 79 00:03:31,954 --> 00:03:33,254 Narrator: ON OCTOBER 18, 80 00:03:33,254 --> 00:03:36,454 NEARLY 10 YEARS AFTER CHANDRA DISAPPEARED, 81 00:03:36,454 --> 00:03:38,821 THE TRIAL IS SET TO BEGIN. 82 00:03:38,821 --> 00:03:41,288 THERE'S CONSIDERABLE ANTICIPATION ABOUT THIS TRIAL. 83 00:03:41,288 --> 00:03:43,088 IT'S A JAMMED COURTROOM. 84 00:03:43,088 --> 00:03:46,621 THERE ARE PROBABLY A DOZEN OR MORE REPORTERS. 85 00:03:46,621 --> 00:03:50,921 Narrator: HELMING THE PROSECUTION IS VETERAN LITIGATOR AMANDA HAINES. 86 00:03:50,921 --> 00:03:54,154 SHE'S AN ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. 87 00:03:54,154 --> 00:03:58,688 SHE'S HIGHLY EXPERIENCED, HIGHLY THOUGHT OF, VERY AGGRESSIVE. 88 00:03:58,688 --> 00:04:01,288 Alexander: AMANDA HAINES' BIGGEST OBSTACLE IN THIS CASE? 89 00:04:01,288 --> 00:04:02,888 THE FACT THAT IT'S NINE YEARS OLD, 90 00:04:02,888 --> 00:04:04,588 THERE'S NO DNA, 91 00:04:04,588 --> 00:04:08,754 THERE IS NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE LINKING GUANDIQUE TO THE CRIME, 92 00:04:08,754 --> 00:04:12,854 THERE'S NO MURDER WEAPON, AND THEY REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW 93 00:04:12,854 --> 00:04:14,921 HOW CHANDRA LEVY DIED. 94 00:04:14,921 --> 00:04:17,221 Narrator: FINALLY, THE PROSECUTION AND DEFENSE 95 00:04:17,221 --> 00:04:20,754 BEGIN TO MAKE THEIR RESPECTIVE ARGUMENTS. 96 00:04:20,754 --> 00:04:22,988 BOTH SIDES GIVE THEIR OPENING STATEMENT. 97 00:04:22,988 --> 00:04:26,654 PROSECUTION SAYS, "GUANDIQUE MURDERED THIS WOMAN, 98 00:04:26,654 --> 00:04:28,488 CHOKED HER, ROBBED HER." 99 00:04:28,488 --> 00:04:32,121 THE PROSECUTION WAS SAYING HE TOOK THIS POOR WOMAN APART. 100 00:04:32,121 --> 00:04:36,088 Narrator: THEN, HAINES BEGINS TO BUILD HER CASE AGAINST GUANDIQUE 101 00:04:36,088 --> 00:04:38,088 AND MAKES A CURIOUS DECISION. 102 00:04:38,088 --> 00:04:41,421 PROSECUTORS, MUCH TO EVERYONE'S SURPRISE, 103 00:04:41,421 --> 00:04:43,888 CALLED A WITNESS WHO NO ONE EXPECTED: 104 00:04:43,888 --> 00:04:45,888 GARY CONDIT. 105 00:04:45,888 --> 00:04:47,554 GARY CONDIT WAS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM 106 00:04:47,554 --> 00:04:49,921 THAT HAD TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE PROSECUTORS. 107 00:04:49,921 --> 00:04:52,354 THEY KNEW HE WOULD BE COMING UP AS A POTENTIAL 108 00:04:52,354 --> 00:04:56,254 ALTERNATIVE SUSPECT IN THE EYES OF THE DEFENSE. 109 00:04:56,254 --> 00:04:59,354 SO THE PROSECUTION TEAM SUMMONED MR. CONDIT 110 00:04:59,354 --> 00:05:02,321 FOR THE PURPOSE OF DENYING HAVING ANYTHING TO DO 111 00:05:02,321 --> 00:05:04,488 WITH CHANDRA LEVY'S DISAPPEARANCE. 112 00:05:04,488 --> 00:05:06,721 Narrator: CONDIT HAS NEVER PUBLICLY ADMITTED 113 00:05:06,721 --> 00:05:09,654 HE HAD A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHANDRA. 114 00:05:09,654 --> 00:05:13,821 NOW, SOME OBSERVERS WONDER IF THAT WILL FINALLY CHANGE. 115 00:05:13,821 --> 00:05:16,921 SO, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF DECLINING TO SPEAK 116 00:05:16,921 --> 00:05:21,154 IN ANY SORT OF VIVID DETAIL ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP, 117 00:05:21,154 --> 00:05:23,421 THERE WAS THIS ANTICIPATION THAT, 118 00:05:23,421 --> 00:05:27,321 UNDER THE PRESSURE OF HIS OATH AND IN THE PRESENCE OF A JUDGE, 119 00:05:27,321 --> 00:05:30,321 HE WOULD FINALLY SPILL THE BEANS. 120 00:05:30,321 --> 00:05:33,088 WHEN GARY CONDIT CAME INTO THE COURTHOUSE IN 2010 121 00:05:33,088 --> 00:05:35,521 FOR THIS TRIAL, HE WAS A REGULAR CITIZEN, 122 00:05:35,521 --> 00:05:38,454 BUT HE WAS STILL TREATED, BY THE COURTS, 123 00:05:38,454 --> 00:05:42,854 BY PROSECUTORS, AND BY POLICE, AS A DIGNITARY. 124 00:05:42,854 --> 00:05:44,654 Grimm: EVERYONE'S ON THE EDGE OF THEIR SEATS. 125 00:05:44,654 --> 00:05:48,154 CONGRESSMAN CONDIT RAISES HIS HAND TO TELL THE TRUTH, 126 00:05:48,154 --> 00:05:49,921 [ HEARTBEAT ] THEN HE WAS ASKED 127 00:05:49,921 --> 00:05:53,388 ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MISS LEVY. 128 00:05:53,388 --> 00:05:55,588 HE TELLS THE COURT THAT, INDEED, 129 00:05:55,588 --> 00:05:57,788 THE PAIR HAD A FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIP, 130 00:05:57,788 --> 00:05:59,854 THAT HE WAS A MENTOR TO HER, 131 00:05:59,854 --> 00:06:03,788 AND THAT THE PAIR NEVER HAD ANY DISAGREEMENTS. 132 00:06:03,788 --> 00:06:05,988 HE WAS VERY STEELY-EYED, VERY CALM, 133 00:06:05,988 --> 00:06:08,454 AND HE DID NOT GET EMOTIONAL. 134 00:06:08,454 --> 00:06:10,988 HE EMPHATICALLY DENIES HAVING ANYTHING TO DO 135 00:06:10,988 --> 00:06:13,621 WITH CHANDRA'S DISAPPEARANCE AND MURDER. 136 00:06:13,621 --> 00:06:15,588 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 137 00:06:15,588 --> 00:06:20,188 SO GARY CONDIT WAS ON THE STAND FOR ONE PURPOSE, ALONE, 138 00:06:20,188 --> 00:06:23,454 FOR THE PROSECUTION, BUT, AS PART OF THAT APPEARANCE, 139 00:06:23,454 --> 00:06:26,388 HE HAD TO FACE THE DEFENSE TEAM AS WELL. 140 00:06:26,388 --> 00:06:30,154 THE DEFENSE WANTED TO GET MORE ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP 141 00:06:30,154 --> 00:06:32,754 BETWEEN GARY CONDIT AND CHANDRA LEVY. 142 00:06:32,754 --> 00:06:34,454 THEY ASKED THE QUESTIONS REPEATEDLY: 143 00:06:34,454 --> 00:06:36,954 "DID YOU HAVE A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP?" 144 00:06:36,954 --> 00:06:40,088 CONDIT SAID, "MY RELATIONSHIP WITH CHANDRA LEVY 145 00:06:40,088 --> 00:06:42,921 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE. 146 00:06:42,921 --> 00:06:46,088 I AM NOT ON TRIAL, SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO ANYTHING 147 00:06:46,088 --> 00:06:48,788 ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH CHANDRA LEVY," 148 00:06:48,788 --> 00:06:51,088 AND THE JUDGE AGREED WITH THAT. 149 00:06:51,088 --> 00:06:52,521 HE JUST LOOKED AT THE DEFENSE LAWYER AND SAID, 150 00:06:52,521 --> 00:06:54,654 "I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HER DISAPPEARANCE," 151 00:06:54,654 --> 00:06:55,954 AND ESSENTIALLY CHALLENGED HIM. 152 00:06:55,954 --> 00:07:00,154 "IF YOU GOT MORE, JUST BRING IT, BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T" 153 00:07:00,154 --> 00:07:01,488 AND THAT WAS IT. 154 00:07:01,488 --> 00:07:05,188 AND...THE AIR SORT OF COMES OUT OF THE BALLOON. 155 00:07:05,188 --> 00:07:07,488 Alexander: HE WAS ON THE STAND FOR ALL OF 10 MINUTES. 156 00:07:07,488 --> 00:07:10,921 PEOPLE THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN EMOTIONAL, 157 00:07:10,921 --> 00:07:15,188 A REVEALING, TESTIMONY, BUT IT WASN'T. 158 00:07:15,188 --> 00:07:18,221 THE CONGRESSMAN CAME ACROSS AS DEFENSIVE 159 00:07:18,221 --> 00:07:21,488 AND UNFORTHCOMING AND UNHELPFUL AND ANGRY 160 00:07:21,488 --> 00:07:23,454 AT THE POSITION HE HAD BEEN PUT IN. 161 00:07:23,454 --> 00:07:26,088 TO PUT CONDIT ON THE STAND, BY THAT PROSECUTION, 162 00:07:26,088 --> 00:07:30,888 WAS A VERY CLEVER AND TACTICALLY SMART THING TO DO. 163 00:07:30,888 --> 00:07:32,421 Narrator: THEN, THE STATE ATTEMPTS 164 00:07:32,421 --> 00:07:35,554 TO DIRECTLY LINK GUANDIQUE TO THE CRIME. 165 00:07:35,554 --> 00:07:38,721 THE PROSECUTION'S CASE: THEY DIDN'T HAVE EYEWITNESSES, 166 00:07:38,721 --> 00:07:39,988 THEY DIDN'T HAVE FORENSIC EVIDENCE, 167 00:07:39,988 --> 00:07:41,354 THEY DIDN'T HAVE DNA, FINGERPRINTS, 168 00:07:41,354 --> 00:07:43,554 ALL THE TRADITIONAL STUFF JURORS LOOK FOR. 169 00:07:43,554 --> 00:07:48,221 WHAT THEY HAD WERE OTHER WOMEN THAT HAD RUN IN THE PARK. 170 00:07:48,221 --> 00:07:50,221 Narrator: CHRISTY WIEGAND AND HALLE SHILLING 171 00:07:50,221 --> 00:07:52,354 ARE CALLED TO THE STAND. 172 00:07:52,354 --> 00:07:57,088 THE MOST EMOTIONAL TIME WAS THE TESTIMONY OF THE WOMEN 173 00:07:57,088 --> 00:08:00,521 WHO WERE ASSAULTED BY INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 174 00:08:00,521 --> 00:08:02,754 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 175 00:08:02,754 --> 00:08:06,088 Dimond: THEY PUT THAT JURY INSIDE ROCK CREEK PARK, 176 00:08:06,088 --> 00:08:07,354 WHERE THEY WERE RUNNING. 177 00:08:07,354 --> 00:08:09,954 THEIR TESTIMONY WAS CHILLING. 178 00:08:09,954 --> 00:08:11,554 ONE WOMAN BROKE DOWN INTO TEARS. 179 00:08:11,554 --> 00:08:13,521 THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS MAN WAS GOING TO RAPE THEM, 180 00:08:13,521 --> 00:08:16,088 THAT THIS MAN WAS GOING TO STAB THEM AND KILL THEM, 181 00:08:16,088 --> 00:08:19,288 AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE JURY HEARD 182 00:08:19,288 --> 00:08:22,754 WHAT WAS POSSIBLY GOING THROUGH CHANDRA LEVY'S MIND 183 00:08:22,754 --> 00:08:24,821 AND THE JURY WAS RIVETED. 184 00:08:24,821 --> 00:08:27,521 THE PROSECUTION WAS SAYING, "DO YOU SEE HIM IN THE COURTROOM?" 185 00:08:27,521 --> 00:08:31,454 AND SHE SAYS, "YES. HE'S SEATED OVER THERE." 186 00:08:31,454 --> 00:08:36,254 IT WAS SO DRAMATIC BECAUSE THE MAN WHO ATTACKED THEM 187 00:08:36,254 --> 00:08:39,088 COULD VERY WELL HAVE BEEN THE MAN WHO ATTACKED CHANDRA LEVY 188 00:08:39,088 --> 00:08:42,088 AND LEFT HER FOR DEAD IN THAT RAVINE. 189 00:08:42,088 --> 00:08:43,288 IT WAS COMPELLING. 190 00:08:43,288 --> 00:08:45,088 I FELT LIKE HE WAS IN A LOT OF TROUBLE 191 00:08:45,088 --> 00:08:47,588 WHEN THAT TESTIMONY CAME IN. 192 00:08:47,588 --> 00:08:51,088 Narrator: TO PAINT A DETAILED PICTURE OF CHANDRA'S FINAL MOMENTS, 193 00:08:51,088 --> 00:08:53,854 THE STATE CALLS ITS STAR WITNESS. 194 00:08:53,854 --> 00:08:57,254 SO THE PROSECUTION HAD ONE WITNESS 195 00:08:57,254 --> 00:08:59,688 THEY BELIEVED WOULD SEAL THIS CASE 196 00:08:59,688 --> 00:09:02,954 AND THEY CALLED THAT ONE WITNESS TO THE STAND. 197 00:09:02,954 --> 00:09:05,588 THAT WAS ARMANDO MORALES. 198 00:09:05,588 --> 00:09:10,088 HE HAD GLASSES, SOFT-SPOKEN, AND HE TOLD A STORY 199 00:09:10,088 --> 00:09:14,188 THAT HE WAS AN OLD-SCHOOL GANGSTER FROM FRESNO, 200 00:09:14,188 --> 00:09:16,088 BUT THAT, OVER THE YEARS IN PRISON, 201 00:09:16,088 --> 00:09:18,088 HIS LIFE HAD TURNED AROUND 202 00:09:18,088 --> 00:09:21,254 AND HE HAD GIVEN UP THAT GANGSTER LIFESTYLE. 203 00:09:21,254 --> 00:09:22,954 AND HE SAYS THAT HE HADN'T HAD 204 00:09:22,954 --> 00:09:25,754 A PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH INFORMING. 205 00:09:25,754 --> 00:09:29,321 Alexander: HE SAID, "I'M JUST DOING THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO HELP. 206 00:09:29,321 --> 00:09:30,588 I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. 207 00:09:30,588 --> 00:09:32,454 I'M UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THIS, 208 00:09:32,454 --> 00:09:35,454 BUT I WANT TO HELP THE LEVY FAMILY." 209 00:09:35,454 --> 00:09:37,421 Narrator: MORALES THEN SHARES WITH THE JURY 210 00:09:37,421 --> 00:09:41,654 EXACTLY WHAT GUANDIQUE TOLD HIM ABOUT THE CRIME. 211 00:09:41,654 --> 00:09:46,554 THEY HEAR HOW INGMAR GUANDIQUE IS HIGH ON DRUGS, 212 00:09:46,554 --> 00:09:49,454 NEEDS MONEY TO HELP WITH HIS DRUG HABITS, 213 00:09:49,454 --> 00:09:53,521 AND HOW HE IS HIDING IN THE BUSHES, LIKE HE DID PREVIOUSLY, 214 00:09:53,521 --> 00:09:55,154 IN THOSE ATTACKS THAT HE PLED GUILTY TO. 215 00:09:55,154 --> 00:09:56,488 [ SINISTER MUSIC PLAYS ] 216 00:09:56,488 --> 00:09:58,654 CHANDRA LEVY COMES THROUGH. 217 00:09:58,654 --> 00:10:01,054 GUANDIQUE JUMPS OUT THE BUSHES 218 00:10:01,054 --> 00:10:04,388 AND ATTACKS CHANDRA AND DRAGS HER INTO THE WOODS. 219 00:10:04,388 --> 00:10:07,454 HE TRIES TO SMOTHER AND TRIES TO STEAL HER MONEY POUCH. 220 00:10:07,454 --> 00:10:09,388 BUT, DURING THAT COURSE OF ACTION, 221 00:10:09,388 --> 00:10:11,788 LEVY BECOMES UNCONSCIOUS. 222 00:10:11,788 --> 00:10:13,388 HE LEAVES HER THERE IN THE WOODS 223 00:10:13,388 --> 00:10:15,621 AND HE GRABS HER MONEY POUCH AND HE RUNS. 224 00:10:15,621 --> 00:10:17,088 HE DID NOT THINK SHE WAS DEAD. 225 00:10:17,088 --> 00:10:19,288 HE DID NOT KNOW SHE WAS DEAD. 226 00:10:19,288 --> 00:10:22,554 Narrator: THE INFORMANT'S TESTIMONY GRIPS THE COURTROOM. 227 00:10:22,554 --> 00:10:24,288 Alexander: MORALES WAS VERY CHARISMATIC. 228 00:10:24,288 --> 00:10:26,721 HE WAS VERY FORTHCOMING. HE SMILED. 229 00:10:26,721 --> 00:10:29,821 HE LOOKED AT THE JURY FROM TIME TO TIME, WHEN HE COMMENTED. 230 00:10:29,821 --> 00:10:31,688 I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HIS CANDOR. 231 00:10:31,688 --> 00:10:34,788 I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT IT LOOKED LIKE 232 00:10:34,788 --> 00:10:36,821 HE WAS HONEST ABOUT EVERYTHING. 233 00:10:36,821 --> 00:10:39,554 IT JUST SEEMED VERY SURREAL. 234 00:10:39,554 --> 00:10:40,754 I JUST LISTENED. 235 00:10:40,754 --> 00:10:43,521 I SAID, "THIS IS DAMN PAINFUL." 236 00:10:43,521 --> 00:10:46,788 Alexander: HE WAS SUCH A POWERFUL STAR WITNESS. 237 00:10:46,788 --> 00:10:48,654 HE WAS SO KEY TO THE PROSECUTION THAT, 238 00:10:48,654 --> 00:10:51,054 AFTER HE TOOK THE STAND, THE PROSECUTION RESTED. 239 00:10:51,054 --> 00:10:52,821 [ SINISTER MUSIC CLIMBS ] HE WAS ALL THEY NEEDED. 240 00:10:52,821 --> 00:10:54,921 OR SO THEY BELIEVED. 241 00:10:54,921 --> 00:10:57,221 Narrator: WHEN GUANDIQUE'S LAWYERS TAKE OVER, 242 00:10:57,221 --> 00:11:00,921 THEY ATTEMPT TO POKE HOLES IN THE PROSECUTION'S CASE. 243 00:11:00,921 --> 00:11:03,988 THE DEFENSE HAS GOING FOR THEM THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO PROOF 244 00:11:03,988 --> 00:11:05,854 THAT THIS WOMAN WAS EVEN MURDERED. 245 00:11:05,854 --> 00:11:08,488 THEY SIMPLY FOUND BONES AND REMAINS IN A PARK 246 00:11:08,488 --> 00:11:10,388 ALMOST A YEAR AFTER. 247 00:11:10,388 --> 00:11:13,488 Narrator: THEN, TO CAST SUSPICION AWAY FROM THEIR CLIENT, 248 00:11:13,488 --> 00:11:16,854 THE DEFENSE INTRODUCES AN ALTERNATE THEORY. 249 00:11:16,854 --> 00:11:18,988 IT CENTERS ON A LITTLE-REPORTED DETAIL 250 00:11:18,988 --> 00:11:22,388 THAT EMERGED AFTER CHANDRA DISAPPEARED. 251 00:11:22,388 --> 00:11:25,121 IN THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING BEFORE SHE VANISHED, 252 00:11:25,121 --> 00:11:28,154 SOMEBODY CALLED 911, SAYING THEY HEARD A SCREAM 253 00:11:28,154 --> 00:11:31,454 COMING FROM THE VICINITY OF CHANDRA LEVY'S APARTMENT. 254 00:11:31,454 --> 00:11:33,621 COULD SHE HAVE EVEN BEEN KILLED IN HER APARTMENT 255 00:11:33,621 --> 00:11:36,954 AND MOVED AND DUMPED IN THE PARK? 256 00:11:36,954 --> 00:11:38,854 Narrator: TO FURTHER SUPPORT THIS THEORY, 257 00:11:38,854 --> 00:11:42,988 THE DEFENSE INTRODUCES ANOTHER, CURIOUS, DETAIL. 258 00:11:42,988 --> 00:11:44,288 WHEN THE LEVYS BECAME WORRIED 259 00:11:44,288 --> 00:11:45,721 BECAUSE THEY HADN'T HEARD FROM CHANDRA, 260 00:11:45,721 --> 00:11:48,854 THEY CALLED THE BUILDING MANAGER IN WASHINGTON, DC 261 00:11:48,854 --> 00:11:51,588 AND SAID, "PLEASE, SLIP A NOTE UNDERNEATH THE DOOR. 262 00:11:51,588 --> 00:11:54,754 TELL HER TO CALL HER PARENTS, CALL HOME." 263 00:11:54,754 --> 00:11:57,088 THEY ASKED THE BUILDING MANAGER TO DO THAT SEVERAL TIMES, 264 00:11:57,088 --> 00:11:59,088 SO THERE WERE SEVERAL NOTES. 265 00:11:59,088 --> 00:12:00,454 AT THE GUANDIQUE TRIAL, 266 00:12:00,454 --> 00:12:04,254 THE DEFENSE BROUGHT UP A FASCINATING LITTLE TIDBIT: 267 00:12:04,254 --> 00:12:08,654 THAT THE NOTES WERE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE APARTMENT, 268 00:12:08,654 --> 00:12:10,688 NOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOOR. 269 00:12:10,688 --> 00:12:12,721 THIS, THE DEFENSE SAID, WAS AN INDICATION 270 00:12:12,721 --> 00:12:14,788 THAT SOMEBODY HAD BEEN IN THAT APARTMENT 271 00:12:14,788 --> 00:12:18,588 AFTER CHANDRA LEVY WAS THOUGHT TO HAVE DISAPPEARED. 272 00:12:18,588 --> 00:12:21,954 Narrator: THE DEFENSE SUGGESTS IT MAY HAVE BEEN CHANDRA'S KILLER 273 00:12:21,954 --> 00:12:24,188 RETURNING TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME. 274 00:12:24,188 --> 00:12:26,088 Grimm: I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. 275 00:12:26,088 --> 00:12:28,788 IF I'M A JUROR, I ALREADY HAVE A REASONABLE DOUBT. 276 00:12:28,788 --> 00:12:32,521 Narrator: AFTER 10 DAYS OF TESTIMONY, THE TRIAL CONCLUDES 277 00:12:32,521 --> 00:12:36,121 AND THE JURY BEGINS THE PROCESS OF DELIBERATION. 278 00:12:36,121 --> 00:12:37,488 A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT 279 00:12:37,488 --> 00:12:40,621 THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A HUNG JURY. 280 00:12:40,621 --> 00:12:43,088 MUCH TO OUR SURPRISE, 3.5 DAYS LATER, THEY COME BACK. 281 00:12:43,088 --> 00:12:44,821 THEY ANNOUNCE THEY HAVE A VERDICT. 282 00:12:44,821 --> 00:12:46,388 [ OMINOUS CHORD STRIKES ] 283 00:12:48,388 --> 00:12:49,954 ** 284 00:12:49,954 --> 00:12:53,688 Narrator: THE CHANDRA LEVY MURDER TRIAL IS DRAWING TO A CLOSE. 285 00:12:53,688 --> 00:12:56,388 NOW, AFTER 10 DAYS OF TESTIMONY, 286 00:12:56,388 --> 00:13:01,821 THE FATE OF INGMAR GUANDIQUE RESTS IN THE HANDS OF THE JURY. 287 00:13:01,821 --> 00:13:04,154 I'M KEITH ALEXANDER, A PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING REPORTER 288 00:13:04,154 --> 00:13:06,354 WITH THE WASHINGTON POST. 289 00:13:06,354 --> 00:13:07,888 A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT 290 00:13:07,888 --> 00:13:10,421 THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A HUNG JURY. 291 00:13:10,421 --> 00:13:12,288 WE DID NOT THINK ALL 12 JURORS WOULD BE ABLE 292 00:13:12,288 --> 00:13:14,554 TO COME BACK WITH A VERDICT. 293 00:13:14,554 --> 00:13:18,254 MUCH TO OUR SURPRISE, 3.5 DAYS LATER, THEY COME BACK. 294 00:13:18,254 --> 00:13:21,288 THE JURY FOREMAN ANNOUNCED THEY HAD REACHED A VERDICT. 295 00:13:21,288 --> 00:13:22,521 [ EERIE MUSIC PLAYS ] 296 00:13:22,521 --> 00:13:25,754 THE JUDGE SAYS TO THE FOREPERSON, 297 00:13:25,754 --> 00:13:29,221 "HOW DO YOU FIND THE DEFENDANT ON COUNT 1 OF THE INDICTMENT, 298 00:13:29,221 --> 00:13:32,754 MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE OF CHANDRA LEVY?" 299 00:13:32,754 --> 00:13:36,088 AND THE FOREMAN DOES NOT BLINK 300 00:13:36,088 --> 00:13:37,454 AND HE SAYS, "GUILTY." 301 00:13:37,454 --> 00:13:39,821 [ OMINOUS CHORD STRIKES ] 302 00:13:39,821 --> 00:13:41,754 Alexander: WHEN THE VERDICT WAS ANNOUNCED, 303 00:13:41,754 --> 00:13:44,188 GUANDIQUE, HE WAS LISTENING TO A TRANSLATOR. 304 00:13:44,188 --> 00:13:47,221 HE YANKED THE HEADPHONES OFF AND THREW THEM DOWN ON THE TABLE 305 00:13:47,221 --> 00:13:49,321 BEFORE HE WAS LED OUT OF THE COURTROOM. 306 00:13:49,321 --> 00:13:51,221 IT WAS A VERY EMOTIONAL TIME. 307 00:13:51,221 --> 00:13:52,688 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] THE JURY, JUST A SHORT TIME AGO, 308 00:13:52,688 --> 00:13:56,521 HANDED DOWN A GUILTY VERDICT IN CHANDRA LEVY'S MURDER TRIAL. 309 00:13:56,521 --> 00:13:58,621 THIS IS CHANDRA LEVY'S MOTHER. 310 00:13:58,621 --> 00:14:00,354 LET'S LISTEN TO HER. -I'M SORRY. 311 00:14:00,354 --> 00:14:02,121 I'M EMOTIONAL HERE. 312 00:14:02,121 --> 00:14:04,988 THE RESULT OF THE VERDICT 313 00:14:04,988 --> 00:14:08,388 MAY BE GUILTY, BUT I HAVE A LIFETIME SENTENCE 314 00:14:08,388 --> 00:14:14,488 OF A LOST LAMB, MISSING FROM OUR FAMILY TREE. 315 00:14:14,488 --> 00:14:16,421 Alexander: THE PROSECUTION, THEY WERE EXCITED. 316 00:14:16,421 --> 00:14:18,421 AMANDA HAINES SAID, "MIRACLES DO HAPPEN." 317 00:14:18,421 --> 00:14:22,354 SHE WAS SO ELATED THAT THERE WAS A GUILTY VERDICT. 318 00:14:22,354 --> 00:14:25,621 PROSECUTION DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB ON THE CASE. 319 00:14:25,621 --> 00:14:26,821 THEY CALLED CONDIT. 320 00:14:26,821 --> 00:14:28,288 THEY KILLED THAT DEFENSE. 321 00:14:28,288 --> 00:14:30,454 THEY SET UP THE STAGE FOR MR. MORALES, 322 00:14:30,454 --> 00:14:32,454 PUT HIM ON THE STAND. 323 00:14:32,454 --> 00:14:34,088 HE WAS GOOD. HE WAS VERY GOOD. 324 00:14:34,088 --> 00:14:37,554 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 325 00:14:37,554 --> 00:14:39,354 Narrator: NEARLY 3 MONTHS LATER, 326 00:14:39,354 --> 00:14:42,421 GUANDIQUE'S SENTENCING HEARING COMMENCES. 327 00:14:42,421 --> 00:14:46,954 AS IS CUSTOM, THE VICTIM'S FAMILY IS INVITED TO SPEAK. 328 00:14:46,954 --> 00:14:48,688 CHANDRA LEVY'S MOTHER GOES TO THE PODIUM 329 00:14:48,688 --> 00:14:50,388 AND SHE TALKS ABOUT HER DAUGHTER. 330 00:14:50,388 --> 00:14:52,788 AND THEN SHE DID SOMETHING I'D NEVER HEARD. 331 00:14:52,788 --> 00:14:58,088 VICTIMS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO TALK TO THE PERSON WHO 332 00:14:58,088 --> 00:14:59,421 DID THE DEED. 333 00:14:59,421 --> 00:15:03,221 SHE LOOKED HIM IN THE EYE AND SHE SAID, 334 00:15:03,221 --> 00:15:05,988 "YOU KNOW, YOU ARE A HIDEOUS CREATURE. 335 00:15:05,988 --> 00:15:08,254 YOU ARE LOWER THAN A COCKROACH. 336 00:15:08,254 --> 00:15:13,088 YOU SHOULD ROT IN HELL" AND IT WAS VERY DRAMATIC. 337 00:15:13,088 --> 00:15:16,388 AND THEN SHE LOOKS AT MR. GUANDIQUE AND SAYS, 338 00:15:16,388 --> 00:15:19,521 "FINALLY, MR. GUANDIQUE, [BLEEP] YOU"... 339 00:15:19,521 --> 00:15:20,921 [ OMINOUS CHORD STRIKES ] 340 00:15:20,921 --> 00:15:23,921 AND TURNS AND SITS DOWN. 341 00:15:23,921 --> 00:15:28,154 GUANDIQUE IS SENTENCED TO 60 YEARS BEHIND BARS. 342 00:15:28,154 --> 00:15:30,954 IT'S CONSIDERED A BIG WIN FOR PROSECUTORS. 343 00:15:30,954 --> 00:15:33,288 NOW, GUANDIQUE WOULD BE AT LEAST 80 YEARS OLD 344 00:15:33,288 --> 00:15:35,221 BEFORE HE COULD FIRST BE RELEASED. 345 00:15:35,221 --> 00:15:37,254 THE JUDGE SENTENCING HIM SAID HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, 346 00:15:37,254 --> 00:15:39,488 IF HE LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO BE RELEASED, 347 00:15:39,488 --> 00:15:42,954 THAT HE WOULD NOT BE A DANGER TO SOCIETY. 348 00:15:42,954 --> 00:15:47,888 Narrator: FOR THE LEVYS, IT SEEMS THAT JUSTICE HAS FINALLY BEEN SERVED. 349 00:15:47,888 --> 00:15:50,088 FOR THE LEVYS, THIS CASE IS CLOSED. 350 00:15:50,088 --> 00:15:51,621 BUT, EMOTIONALLY, THERE IS NO CLOSURE. 351 00:15:51,621 --> 00:15:52,788 THEY STILL DON'T HAVE THEIR LOVED ONE. 352 00:15:52,788 --> 00:15:54,488 THEY WILL NEVER HAVE THEIR LOVED ONE BACK. 353 00:15:54,488 --> 00:15:57,288 BUT IN TERMS OF SOMEONE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS CASE, 354 00:15:57,288 --> 00:15:59,188 THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. 355 00:15:59,188 --> 00:16:01,188 [ SUSPENSEFUL OUTRO PLAYS ] 356 00:16:01,188 --> 00:16:02,754 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] Narrator: THE LEVYS 357 00:16:02,754 --> 00:16:07,154 RETURN TO CALIFORNIA AND ATTEMPT TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. 358 00:16:07,154 --> 00:16:09,754 BUT THEN, ALMOST 5 YEARS LATER, 359 00:16:09,754 --> 00:16:12,254 A MYSTERIOUS FIGURE STEPS FORWARD, 360 00:16:12,254 --> 00:16:16,754 WITH A BIZARRE TALE THAT, SHE SAYS, IS RELATED TO THE CASE. 361 00:16:16,754 --> 00:16:20,154 THIS WOMAN, WHO GOES BY THE NAME OF BABS PROLLER, 362 00:16:20,154 --> 00:16:23,921 SHE COMES TO THE WASHINGTON POST AND SHE HAS SOME INFORMATION. 363 00:16:23,921 --> 00:16:26,088 SHE'S AN OCCASIONAL ACTRESS 364 00:16:26,088 --> 00:16:28,754 WITH THE NETFLIX SERIES "HOUSE OF CARDS." 365 00:16:28,754 --> 00:16:32,521 WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS WOULD BE THE WOMAN 366 00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:37,121 WHO WOULD BLOW THE ENTIRE CASE APART. 367 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:40,654 Narrator: PROLLER EXPLAINS TO THE POST THAT SHE'S RECENTLY DIVORCED 368 00:16:40,654 --> 00:16:44,288 AND HAS BEEN LIVING AT A HOTEL IN ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND. 369 00:16:44,288 --> 00:16:47,588 THERE, SHE HAD AN UNEXPECTED ENCOUNTER. 370 00:16:47,588 --> 00:16:48,788 IT WAS ON ONE PARTICULAR DAY 371 00:16:48,788 --> 00:16:50,621 THAT SHE WAS WALKING WITH HER DOG 372 00:16:50,621 --> 00:16:53,088 WHEN THE DOG GOT CAUGHT IN THE DOOR. 373 00:16:53,088 --> 00:16:55,588 AND THIS MAN KIND OF SWOOPED IN OUT OF NOWHERE 374 00:16:55,588 --> 00:16:57,388 AND SAVED HER DOG. 375 00:16:57,388 --> 00:17:00,088 AND, IN AN ACT OF CHIVALRY, THIS GUY PICKS THE DOG UP 376 00:17:00,088 --> 00:17:01,988 AND CARRIES THE DOG INTO THE HOTEL 377 00:17:01,988 --> 00:17:04,788 AND SHE THINKS, "OH, HE'S AN ANIMAL LOVER." 378 00:17:04,788 --> 00:17:08,154 Narrator: THE FELLOW HOTEL GUEST INTRODUCES HIMSELF AS PHOENIX 379 00:17:08,154 --> 00:17:11,654 AND EXPLAINS THAT HE'S VISITING THE AREA. 380 00:17:11,654 --> 00:17:16,621 THE TWO OF THEM BEGAN TALKING AND THEY STRUCK UP A FRIENDSHIP. 381 00:17:16,621 --> 00:17:17,921 THEY TALKED ABOUT BUDDHISM. 382 00:17:17,921 --> 00:17:20,121 THEY TALKED ABOUT LOVE OF DOGS. 383 00:17:20,121 --> 00:17:24,454 THEY TALKED ABOUT LIFE, SO SHE FELT SAFE WITH THIS MAN. 384 00:17:24,454 --> 00:17:26,488 Narrator: THE TWO BEGIN SOCIALIZING 385 00:17:26,488 --> 00:17:30,454 AND, SOON, PHOENIX CONFIDES A DARK, PERSONAL HISTORY. 386 00:17:30,454 --> 00:17:33,788 OVER SEVERAL DATES, HE BEGAN TALKING ABOUT HIS PAST, 387 00:17:33,788 --> 00:17:38,454 HIS CRIMINAL PAST, AND THAT HE SPENT TIME IN PRISON. 388 00:17:38,454 --> 00:17:41,788 HE STARTS TALKING LIKE A CON 389 00:17:41,788 --> 00:17:44,088 AND TALKING ABOUT HIS VIOLENT TENDENCIES 390 00:17:44,088 --> 00:17:46,488 AND SAYING HOW HE COULD KILL SOMEBODY 391 00:17:46,488 --> 00:17:50,421 BY STICKING A SHANK THROUGH THEIR EYEBALL, INTO THEIR BRAIN. 392 00:17:50,421 --> 00:17:53,688 Narrator: ACCORDING TO PROLLER, PHOENIX'S TALK QUICKLY TURNED 393 00:17:53,688 --> 00:17:56,221 FROM BOASTFUL TO MENACING. 394 00:17:56,221 --> 00:17:58,921 AT ONE POINT, THEY'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION 395 00:17:58,921 --> 00:18:00,521 AND HE BEGINS TO THREATEN 396 00:18:00,521 --> 00:18:03,088 AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD ROBBED HER. 397 00:18:03,088 --> 00:18:05,088 HE OFFERS TO KILL THE MAN 398 00:18:05,088 --> 00:18:09,188 WHO RECENTLY STOLE SOME JEWELRY FROM HER. 399 00:18:09,188 --> 00:18:10,921 HE SAID, "LOOK. HE STOLE FROM YOU 400 00:18:10,921 --> 00:18:13,521 AND SO I WILL TAKE CARE OF HIM." 401 00:18:13,521 --> 00:18:16,321 Velez-Mitchell: SHE SUDDENLY BECOMES AFRAID FOR HER OWN SAFETY. 402 00:18:16,321 --> 00:18:18,321 I MEAN, WHAT IS THIS GUY CAPABLE OF? 403 00:18:18,321 --> 00:18:20,454 COULD HE DO SOMETHING TO HER? 404 00:18:20,454 --> 00:18:24,554 Narrator: PROLLER EXPLAINS THAT SHE THEN TOOK PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES. 405 00:18:24,554 --> 00:18:27,354 SO SHE BEGAN SECRETLY RECORDING THEIR CONVERSATIONS. 406 00:18:27,354 --> 00:18:30,088 SHE WAS RECORDING HIM JUST FOR SAFETY. 407 00:18:30,088 --> 00:18:33,854 AND, DURING THESE HOURS AND HOURS OF CONVERSATION, 408 00:18:33,854 --> 00:18:37,088 HE ALSO TELLS BABS PROLLER SOMETHING ELSE. 409 00:18:37,088 --> 00:18:39,754 ONE OF THE THINGS HE REVEALS IS THAT HE WAS A WITNESS 410 00:18:39,754 --> 00:18:41,721 IN A HIGH-PROFILE MURDER CASE. 411 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:43,354 [ SUSPENSEFUL CHORD STRIKES ] 412 00:18:43,354 --> 00:18:45,521 ACCORDING TO HER, HE GOES ON TO REVEAL 413 00:18:45,521 --> 00:18:47,654 THAT, NOT ONLY WAS HE A WITNESS, 414 00:18:47,654 --> 00:18:50,688 BUT HE LIED ON THE STAND. 415 00:18:50,688 --> 00:18:53,388 HE TELLS BABS HE ACTUALLY FABRICATED HIS STORY 416 00:18:53,388 --> 00:18:56,688 IN ORDER TO IMPROVE HIS SITUATION IN PRISON. 417 00:18:56,688 --> 00:18:58,788 HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHANDRA LEVY CASE. 418 00:18:58,788 --> 00:19:00,254 HER NEW FRIEND, WHO SHE BONDED 419 00:19:00,254 --> 00:19:02,621 AND TALKED TO AND SECRETLY RECORDED? 420 00:19:02,621 --> 00:19:04,821 HIS NAME WAS ARMANDO MORALES. 421 00:19:04,821 --> 00:19:06,288 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 422 00:19:06,288 --> 00:19:11,088 ARMANDO MORALES, THE MAN WHO PUT INGMAR GUANDIQUE IN PRISON. 423 00:19:11,088 --> 00:19:12,988 [ SUSPENSEFUL FLOURISH PLAYS ] 424 00:19:12,988 --> 00:19:15,488 Narrator: STUNNED BY THE CONFESSION, PROLLER DECIDES 425 00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:18,754 TO TAKE THE RECORDINGS TO THE WASHINGTON POST. 426 00:19:18,754 --> 00:19:20,721 WHEN WE LISTENED TO ARMANDO MORALES, 427 00:19:20,721 --> 00:19:22,754 HE DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THE SAME MAN 428 00:19:22,754 --> 00:19:26,288 WHO TESTIFIED IN COURT YEARS AGO. 429 00:19:26,288 --> 00:19:28,088 HE STILL SOUNDED LIKE SOMEONE 430 00:19:28,088 --> 00:19:32,888 WHO WAS STILL VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 431 00:19:32,888 --> 00:19:35,088 Narrator: BUT, IN ALL THE HOURS OF RECORDINGS, 432 00:19:35,088 --> 00:19:37,754 ONE PARTICULAR DETAIL IS MISSING. 433 00:19:37,754 --> 00:19:42,988 SHE TOLD US THAT ARMANDO MORALES LIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT 434 00:19:42,988 --> 00:19:47,354 INGMAR GUANDIQUE ADMITTED TO HIM THAT HE KILLED CHANDRA LEVY 435 00:19:47,354 --> 00:19:49,188 AND WE FOUND OUT THAT WASN'T THE TRUTH 436 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:51,521 WHEN WE LISTENED TO THOSE RECORDINGS OURSELVES. 437 00:19:51,521 --> 00:19:55,421 IT'S SUSPICIOUS THAT THIS WOMAN WOULD TELL THE WASHINGTON POST 438 00:19:55,421 --> 00:19:57,488 THAT ARMANDO MADE THIS CONFESSION, 439 00:19:57,488 --> 00:20:01,521 WHICH CALLS INTO QUESTION HER CREDIBILITY AND LEGITIMACY. 440 00:20:01,521 --> 00:20:03,354 ** 441 00:20:03,354 --> 00:20:04,688 Narrator: WEEKS LATER, 442 00:20:04,688 --> 00:20:07,721 PROLLER ALSO REACHES OUT TO THE PROSECUTION AND DEFENSE, 443 00:20:07,721 --> 00:20:10,554 AND HER TIMING IS MOMENTOUS. 444 00:20:10,554 --> 00:20:14,221 SOON AFTER GUANDIQUE'S SENTENCING IN 2011, 445 00:20:14,221 --> 00:20:16,488 HIS DEFENSE TEAM BEGAN INVESTIGATING 446 00:20:16,488 --> 00:20:19,921 THE CREDIBILITY OF THE STATE'S STAR WITNESS. 447 00:20:19,921 --> 00:20:23,588 ON THE STAND, ARMANDO MORALES WAS BELIEVABLE, IN PART, 448 00:20:23,588 --> 00:20:26,254 BECAUSE HE SAID HE'D HAD NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE 449 00:20:26,254 --> 00:20:27,654 AS AN INFORMANT. 450 00:20:27,654 --> 00:20:30,388 WELL, IT TURNED OUT THAT WAS FALSE. 451 00:20:30,388 --> 00:20:32,554 ARMANDO MORALES HAD PROVIDED ASSISTANCE 452 00:20:32,554 --> 00:20:35,354 TO FRESNO COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, 453 00:20:35,354 --> 00:20:38,388 TO BUREAU OF PRISONS OFFICIALS, AND OTHERS, 454 00:20:38,388 --> 00:20:41,788 ABOUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. 455 00:20:41,788 --> 00:20:46,588 THIS INFORMATION HAD APPARENTLY NOT BEEN KNOWN BY THE TRIAL TEAM 456 00:20:46,588 --> 00:20:48,554 AND WAS DEFINITELY NOT KNOWN BY 457 00:20:48,554 --> 00:20:50,588 INGMAR GUANDIQUE'S DEFENSE ATTORNEYS. 458 00:20:50,588 --> 00:20:54,188 HE HAD MAYBE PERJURED HIMSELF IN THE FIRST TRIAL. 459 00:20:54,188 --> 00:20:58,821 HE WAS A JAILHOUSE SNITCH, A RAT, A CREEP, A LIAR. 460 00:20:58,821 --> 00:21:01,688 I WASN'T EVEN CERTAIN HIS NAME WAS MORALES. 461 00:21:01,688 --> 00:21:03,321 SO YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH CREDIBILITY 462 00:21:03,321 --> 00:21:06,821 THAT HAVE NOW SURFACED, INVOLVING THEIR STAR WITNESS, 463 00:21:06,821 --> 00:21:09,621 AND, AS A RESULT, DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE SAYING, 464 00:21:09,621 --> 00:21:11,088 "DATE THE MAN A NEW TRIAL," 465 00:21:11,088 --> 00:21:13,954 FOR THEIR CLIENT INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 466 00:21:13,954 --> 00:21:17,488 Narrator: AFTER AN INQUIRY INTO MORALES IN 2015, 467 00:21:17,488 --> 00:21:19,821 GUANDIQUE'S CONVICTION IS VACATED 468 00:21:19,821 --> 00:21:22,188 AND A NEW TRIAL IS ORDERED. 469 00:21:22,188 --> 00:21:25,088 BUT THE TAPES BROUGHT FORWARD BY BABS PROLLER 470 00:21:25,088 --> 00:21:28,788 THROW A WRENCH IN THE PROSECUTION'S NEW CASE. 471 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,521 IN 2010, WHEN ARMANDO MORALES TOOK THE WITNESS STAND, 472 00:21:31,521 --> 00:21:33,688 HE WAS THE ONLY PIECE OF EVIDENCE 473 00:21:33,688 --> 00:21:37,154 THAT DIRECTLY LINKED INGMAR GUANDIQUE TO 474 00:21:37,154 --> 00:21:39,188 THE DEATH OF CHANDRA LEVY. 475 00:21:39,188 --> 00:21:42,088 FAST-FORWARD TO 2016. 476 00:21:42,088 --> 00:21:45,388 HE IS STILL THE ONLY PIECE OF EVIDENCE. 477 00:21:45,388 --> 00:21:48,921 AFTER PROSECUTORS LISTENED TO THOSE RECORDINGS THEMSELVES 478 00:21:48,921 --> 00:21:51,821 AND THEY HEARD MORALES, SOUNDING LIKE SOMEONE 479 00:21:51,821 --> 00:21:54,088 WHO WAS STILL IN THE LIFE OF CRIME, 480 00:21:54,088 --> 00:21:57,521 THEY REALIZED THEY COULD NOT PUT HIM ON THE STAND AGAIN. 481 00:21:57,521 --> 00:22:00,488 Narrator: ON JULY 28, 2016, 482 00:22:00,488 --> 00:22:02,988 THE STATE MAKES A REMARKABLE ANNOUNCEMENT. 483 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:05,321 A STUNNING DEVELOPMENT IN THE 15-YEAR-OLD 484 00:22:05,321 --> 00:22:08,088 MURDER CASE OF WASHINGTON, DC INTERN CHANDRA LEVY. 485 00:22:08,088 --> 00:22:11,721 PROSECUTORS SUDDENLY DROPPED THE CASE AGAINST THE MAN 486 00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:14,654 WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN CONVICTED OF THAT CRIME. 487 00:22:14,654 --> 00:22:18,488 INGMAR GUANDIQUE IS NOW SET FOR DEPORTATION. 488 00:22:18,488 --> 00:22:23,454 THIS TRULY WAS THE CRAZIEST CASE EVER TO HIT WASHINGTON, DC. 489 00:22:23,454 --> 00:22:25,221 THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT HOLLYWOOD WRITERS 490 00:22:25,221 --> 00:22:27,988 COULD NEVER EVEN DREAM OF. 491 00:22:27,988 --> 00:22:29,954 Narrator: STUNNED BY THE TURN OF EVENTS, 492 00:22:29,954 --> 00:22:33,821 THE LEVYS ARE LEFT QUESTIONING THE ACTIONS OF BABS PROLLER. 493 00:22:33,821 --> 00:22:36,188 WELL, I'M PRETTY ANGRY BECAUSE WHY DID SHE DO THAT? 494 00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:37,988 I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THAT? 495 00:22:37,988 --> 00:22:39,221 WAS SHE TRYING TO HELP US? 496 00:22:39,221 --> 00:22:41,088 NO, SHE WAS TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. 497 00:22:41,088 --> 00:22:43,621 MAYBE SOMEONE PAID HER. 498 00:22:43,621 --> 00:22:46,554 Susan: HOW COULD THEY LET GUANDIQUE JUST GO? 499 00:22:46,554 --> 00:22:49,688 IT JUST SEEMS SO STRANGE TO ME. 500 00:22:49,688 --> 00:22:53,888 NOW WE ARE LEFT WITH THE SAME QUESTIONS WE BEGAN WITH: 501 00:22:53,888 --> 00:22:56,288 WHAT TOOK CHANDRA TO ROCK CREEK PARK? 502 00:22:56,288 --> 00:22:58,688 WHAT HAPPENED TO HER THERE? 503 00:22:58,688 --> 00:23:00,921 WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY? 504 00:23:00,921 --> 00:23:01,788 AND WHY? 505 00:23:01,788 --> 00:23:05,088 [ SUSPENSEFUL CHORDS STRIKING ] 506 00:23:06,921 --> 00:23:08,354 Narrator: INGMAR GUANDIQUE'S 507 00:23:08,354 --> 00:23:10,721 DEFENSE TEAM IS PREPARING FOR A RETRIAL 508 00:23:10,721 --> 00:23:13,621 FOR THE MURDER OF CHANDRA LEVY. 509 00:23:13,621 --> 00:23:16,954 BUT WHEN THE PROSECUTION'S STAR WITNESS IS DISCREDITED, 510 00:23:16,954 --> 00:23:18,821 THE CHARGES ARE DROPPED. 511 00:23:18,821 --> 00:23:21,621 THE PAST 15 YEARS, COVERING THE CHANDRA LEVY CASE, 512 00:23:21,621 --> 00:23:23,988 HAVE BEEN AN EXERCISE 513 00:23:23,988 --> 00:23:26,988 IN THE INABILITY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE. 514 00:23:26,988 --> 00:23:29,121 THERE'S BEEN ONE SURPRISE AFTER ANOTHER, 515 00:23:29,121 --> 00:23:31,288 ONE TRAUMA AFTER ANOTHER. 516 00:23:31,288 --> 00:23:33,288 Narrator: IN THE WAKE OF THE SHOCKING NEWS, 517 00:23:33,288 --> 00:23:37,188 IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT THE STORY IS STILL EVOLVING. 518 00:23:37,188 --> 00:23:40,954 IN PRETRIAL HEARINGS, BEFORE THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED, 519 00:23:40,954 --> 00:23:45,554 GUANDIQUE'S LAWYERS LAID OUT PLANS FOR AN EXPLOSIVE DEFENSE. 520 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:47,454 AND, THIS TIME AROUND, THE DEFENSE TEAM 521 00:23:47,454 --> 00:23:51,488 WERE LASERING IN ON GARY CONDIT. 522 00:23:51,488 --> 00:23:53,788 IN A COURT HEARING, THE DEFENSE ARGUED 523 00:23:53,788 --> 00:23:56,421 THAT CONDIT WAS MORE LIKELY THE PERPETRATOR 524 00:23:56,421 --> 00:23:59,388 BECAUSE HE HAD MOTIVE TO COVER UP 525 00:23:59,388 --> 00:24:02,288 A RELATIONSHIP WITH CHANDRA LEVY, 526 00:24:02,288 --> 00:24:05,388 WHEREAS INGMAR GUANDIQUE WAS A RELATIVE STRANGER. 527 00:24:05,388 --> 00:24:08,921 DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WERE ASKING FOR ALL TYPES OF INFORMATION, 528 00:24:08,921 --> 00:24:11,988 ALL EVIDENCE, RECORDINGS, INTERVIEWS, 529 00:24:11,988 --> 00:24:14,121 INVOLVING GARY CONDIT. 530 00:24:14,121 --> 00:24:16,621 Narrator: IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED 531 00:24:16,621 --> 00:24:20,154 IN ONE ASPECT OF THE CONGRESSMAN'S PAST. 532 00:24:20,154 --> 00:24:23,121 THE DEFENSE TEAM INTENDED TO DEPOSE FORMER GIRLFRIENDS 533 00:24:23,121 --> 00:24:27,654 WHO CLAIMED THE CONGRESSMAN WAS INTO S&M AND BONDAGE 534 00:24:27,654 --> 00:24:32,088 AND THE DEFENSE TEAM ARGUED THAT CHANDRA MAY HAVE BEEN KILLED 535 00:24:32,088 --> 00:24:34,588 IN A SEX ACT GONE HORRIBLY WRONG. 536 00:24:34,588 --> 00:24:37,088 AND WHY THAT'S SO IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE, 537 00:24:37,088 --> 00:24:40,654 WHEN CHANDRA LEVY'S SKELETAL REMAINS WERE FOUND, 538 00:24:40,654 --> 00:24:43,288 HER RUNNING TIGHTS WERE ALSO FOUND, 539 00:24:43,288 --> 00:24:46,788 AND BOTH LEGS OF THE TIGHTS WERE TIED INTO KNOTS 540 00:24:46,788 --> 00:24:50,421 WHICH, SOME SUGGESTED, WAS HOW LEVY'S KILLER 541 00:24:50,421 --> 00:24:54,721 BOUND HER AND RESTRAINED HER BEFORE HE KILLED HER. 542 00:24:54,721 --> 00:24:57,588 Narrator: BUT WHEN BABS PROLLER'S RECORDINGS EMERGED 543 00:24:57,588 --> 00:24:59,354 AND THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED, 544 00:24:59,354 --> 00:25:04,254 GUANDIQUE'S LAWYERS FILED AWAY THE PROVOCATIVE DEFENSE. 545 00:25:04,254 --> 00:25:06,088 WITH SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS 546 00:25:06,088 --> 00:25:08,688 CIRCLING AROUND GARY CONDIT, WE'VE ARRANGED 547 00:25:08,688 --> 00:25:12,454 AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH HIS FORMER ASSOCIATE. 548 00:25:12,454 --> 00:25:14,688 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] MY NAME IS VINCE FLAMMINI. 549 00:25:14,688 --> 00:25:16,654 I WAS GARY CONDIT'S DRIVER, 550 00:25:16,654 --> 00:25:20,421 CLOSE, CLOSE FRIEND, AND BODYGUARD. 551 00:25:20,421 --> 00:25:23,088 THE FIRST TIME I MET GARY, HE WAS A YOUNG MAN 552 00:25:23,088 --> 00:25:25,088 THAT WAS MAYOR OF CERES. 553 00:25:25,088 --> 00:25:27,754 IT WAS ABOUT 1976. 554 00:25:27,754 --> 00:25:29,821 I THOUGHT HE WAS REALLY AN INTERESTING PERSON. 555 00:25:29,821 --> 00:25:32,088 HE WAS FULL OF ENERGY AND HE WAS NICE-LOOKING. 556 00:25:32,088 --> 00:25:35,488 HE WAS REALLY A NEAT PERSON. 557 00:25:35,488 --> 00:25:38,754 GARY LIKED TO WORK OUT AND THAT WAS MY MAIN THING, 558 00:25:38,754 --> 00:25:41,888 SO I TAUGHT HIM HOW TO TRAIN AND WE GOT TO BE PARTNERS, 559 00:25:41,888 --> 00:25:45,521 WORKING OUT TOGETHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 560 00:25:45,521 --> 00:25:47,321 Narrator: VINCE CLAIMS THAT, OVER TIME, 561 00:25:47,321 --> 00:25:49,388 THE CONGRESSMAN, KNOWN FOR SECRECY, 562 00:25:49,388 --> 00:25:52,088 BEGAN TO CONFIDE IN HIM. 563 00:25:52,088 --> 00:25:53,988 Flammini: WE HAD LOCKER-ROOM TALK. 564 00:25:53,988 --> 00:25:55,521 HE'D TELL ME ABOUT DIFFERENT GIRLFRIENDS 565 00:25:55,521 --> 00:25:58,388 AND, IN FACT, I HAD TO MEET 'EM BECAUSE YOU GOTTA REMEMBER: 566 00:25:58,388 --> 00:26:00,421 I'M HIS DRIVER. 567 00:26:00,421 --> 00:26:03,888 I MEAN, WHO KNOWS BETTER THAN THE DRIVER? 568 00:26:03,888 --> 00:26:06,988 IN SUMMER 2000, I PICKED HIM UP AT THE AIRPORT. 569 00:26:06,988 --> 00:26:11,388 HE DESCRIBED THAT A GIRL HE WAS SEEING HAD BLACK, CURLY HAIR. 570 00:26:11,388 --> 00:26:13,088 SHE HAD A BEAUTIFUL BODY. 571 00:26:13,088 --> 00:26:16,821 SHE HAD BEAUTIFUL, ROUND BREASTS, LIKE LITTLE MELONS. 572 00:26:16,821 --> 00:26:19,954 HE WAS EXPLAINING IT ALL TO ME 'CAUSE HE WAS BRAGGIN'. 573 00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:21,921 AND SHE WAS JEWISH. 574 00:26:21,921 --> 00:26:24,888 AND THEN HE JUST GIVES ME THE WHOLE PICTURE AND TELLS ME, 575 00:26:24,888 --> 00:26:29,154 "SHE'S GOIN' WITH A COP. HER FATHER'S A DOCTOR." 576 00:26:29,154 --> 00:26:31,954 Narrator: CONDIT NEVER MENTIONED HER BY NAME, 577 00:26:31,954 --> 00:26:35,788 BUT VINCE BELIEVES THE DESCRIPTION WAS UNMISTAKABLE. 578 00:26:35,788 --> 00:26:38,788 IT WAS CHANDRA. 579 00:26:38,788 --> 00:26:41,288 IT WAS HER. I MEAN, HOW MANY GIRLS 580 00:26:41,288 --> 00:26:43,321 CAN YOU MATCH THAT WITH? 581 00:26:43,321 --> 00:26:47,188 Narrator: IN 2001, FLAMMINI WAS ABRUPTLY FIRED. 582 00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:49,554 HE CLAIMS THAT THE TERMINATION WAS IN KEEPING 583 00:26:49,554 --> 00:26:52,088 WITH THE CONGRESSMAN'S DISPOSITION. 584 00:26:52,088 --> 00:26:54,421 I WAS WALKING ON EGGS MOST OF THE TIME, AROUND GARY, 585 00:26:54,421 --> 00:26:57,954 BECAUSE HE HAD A TEMPER THAT JUST WAS UNREAL. 586 00:26:57,954 --> 00:27:01,688 HE'D JUST BLOW UP, TURN BRIGHT RED, BLOW UP, 587 00:27:01,688 --> 00:27:05,154 AND HIS EYES WOULD GET PIERCING LIKE YOU SEE ON TELEVISION. 588 00:27:05,154 --> 00:27:06,454 Narrator: ACCORDING TO VINCE, 589 00:27:06,454 --> 00:27:09,654 THE ALLEGATIONS THAT CONDIT'S REPORTED PRACTICE OF S&M 590 00:27:09,654 --> 00:27:12,921 CAUSED CHANDRA'S DEATH DON'T RING TRUE. 591 00:27:12,921 --> 00:27:14,788 Flammini: THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T LIKE HIM. 592 00:27:14,788 --> 00:27:17,721 THEY SAID, "WELL, MAYBE HE WAS HAVING ONE OF THOSE SEX THINGS 593 00:27:17,721 --> 00:27:20,954 WHERE YOU TIE A NECKTIE AROUND HER NECK AND YOU CHOKE HER." 594 00:27:20,954 --> 00:27:22,854 AND I SAYS, "I DON'T KNOW. 595 00:27:22,854 --> 00:27:25,921 I DON'T KNOW OF HIM HAVING THOSE SEX THINGS, EITHER." 596 00:27:25,921 --> 00:27:28,954 Narrator: THEN, WHEN CONDIT BEGAN MAKING PUBLIC DENIALS 597 00:27:28,954 --> 00:27:32,621 ABOUT THE MISSING INTERN, VINCE BECAME ALARMED. 598 00:27:32,621 --> 00:27:35,488 BUT NOW THAT HE SAYS SHE WAS NEVER HIS GIRLFRIEND, 599 00:27:35,488 --> 00:27:37,354 HE NEVER HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, 600 00:27:37,354 --> 00:27:39,821 AND HE DIDN'T MURDER HER, ALL IN THE SAME LINE, 601 00:27:39,821 --> 00:27:41,988 IT SCARES ME. I'M GOING, 602 00:27:41,988 --> 00:27:44,354 "I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, 603 00:27:44,354 --> 00:27:46,088 'CAUSE HE TOLD ME SO." 604 00:27:46,088 --> 00:27:50,621 Narrator: THE CRIME-SCENE LOCATION ALSO GAVE HIM CONCERN. 605 00:27:50,621 --> 00:27:52,921 I REALLY GOT UPSET BECAUSE 606 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:55,521 HE WAS ALWAYS IN THAT PARK. 607 00:27:55,521 --> 00:27:58,688 HE TOLD ME ABOUT THE PARK AND THAT'S WHERE SHE'S MURDERED? 608 00:27:58,688 --> 00:28:00,288 HE USED TO GO THERE ALL THE TIME. 609 00:28:00,288 --> 00:28:03,321 HE WENT THERE WITH OTHER GIRLS, BEFORE CHANDRA. 610 00:28:03,321 --> 00:28:06,788 IT'S A PLACE TO WALK AND IT'S A PLACE TO SPEND SOME TIME 611 00:28:06,788 --> 00:28:10,221 AND YOU CAN ALSO BE ALONE BACK IN THE WOODS, I GUESS. 612 00:28:10,221 --> 00:28:14,554 Narrator: ACCORDING TO VINCE, HE COULDN'T KEEP WHAT HE KNEW TO HIMSELF. 613 00:28:14,554 --> 00:28:16,588 I TRIED TO TELL THE FBI. 614 00:28:16,588 --> 00:28:19,388 I TRIED TO TELL DIFFERENT PEOPLE 615 00:28:19,388 --> 00:28:22,121 THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS GARY DID, 616 00:28:22,121 --> 00:28:23,621 AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR IT. 617 00:28:23,621 --> 00:28:25,854 GARY WAS TAKING HIS LESSONS FOR KARATE. 618 00:28:25,854 --> 00:28:27,954 I TOLD THEM THE GUY'S NAME THAT WAS TEACHING 'IM. 619 00:28:27,954 --> 00:28:30,254 I TOLD THEM THAT GARY WAS TAKIN' LESSONS, 620 00:28:30,254 --> 00:28:33,121 HOW TO PUNCH SOMEBODY IN THE THROAT AND TAKE 'EM OUT. 621 00:28:33,121 --> 00:28:34,788 I SAYS, "DON'T YOU GUYS EVEN WANNA KNOW? 622 00:28:34,788 --> 00:28:37,088 THAT COULD'VE HAPPENED ACCIDENTALLY." 623 00:28:37,088 --> 00:28:40,521 AND THEY GO, "NO, NO. THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT." 624 00:28:40,521 --> 00:28:42,954 Narrator: AFTER CONSIDERING EVERYTHING HE KNOWS, 625 00:28:42,954 --> 00:28:45,421 VINCE HAS DRAWN HIS OWN CONCLUSIONS. 626 00:28:45,421 --> 00:28:47,288 PERSONALLY, I'VE KNOWN HIM SO LONG. 627 00:28:47,288 --> 00:28:49,754 HE'S NOT A MURDERER. I MEAN, JEEZ. 628 00:28:49,754 --> 00:28:52,288 YOU DON'T THINK OF YOUR BEST FRIEND BEING A MURDERER 629 00:28:52,288 --> 00:28:54,688 AND, TO THIS DAY, I DON'T KNOW! 630 00:28:54,688 --> 00:28:57,588 I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE GARY WOULD MURDER SOMEBODY. 631 00:28:57,588 --> 00:28:59,588 Narrator: IN THE EYES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, 632 00:28:59,588 --> 00:29:01,821 THE DROPPED CHARGES AGAINST GUANDIQUE 633 00:29:01,821 --> 00:29:05,121 DID NOT CHANGE CONDIT'S STATUS IN THE CASE. 634 00:29:05,121 --> 00:29:07,921 THERE'S STILL NO EVIDENCE THAT CONNECTS HIM TO THE MURDER 635 00:29:07,921 --> 00:29:10,221 AND HE IS NOT A SUSPECT. 636 00:29:10,221 --> 00:29:14,154 TO THIS DAY, THEY SAY THEY STILL DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE 637 00:29:14,154 --> 00:29:17,921 TO LINK HIM TO CHANDRA LEVY'S MURDER. 638 00:29:17,921 --> 00:29:20,088 Narrator: BUT QUESTIONS REMAIN ABOUT THE MAN 639 00:29:20,088 --> 00:29:22,688 WHO WAS ONCE CHARGED WITH THE CRIME. 640 00:29:22,688 --> 00:29:25,388 BECAUSE GUANDIQUE'S CONVICTION WAS VACATED 641 00:29:25,388 --> 00:29:27,454 AND THE SUBSEQUENT CHARGES DROPPED, 642 00:29:27,454 --> 00:29:29,954 DOUBLE JEOPARDY DOES NOT APPLY. 643 00:29:29,954 --> 00:29:31,321 THE GOVERNMENT DISMISSED IT, 644 00:29:31,321 --> 00:29:32,888 BUT THEY DISMISSED IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE, 645 00:29:32,888 --> 00:29:35,954 WHICH MEANS THEY'RE LEAVING OPEN THE CHANCE 646 00:29:35,954 --> 00:29:41,621 THAT THEY COULD CHARGE, INDICT, AND RETRY MR. GUANDIQUE AGAIN 647 00:29:41,621 --> 00:29:45,788 WITH ALL THE TRAPPINGS: NEW JUDGE, NEW JURY, EVERYTHING. 648 00:29:45,788 --> 00:29:49,788 Narrator: AND SOME BELIEVE HE SHOULD, INDEED, BE PUT ON TRIAL AGAIN. 649 00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:53,488 HE WAS A LEGITIMATE SUSPECT, AND HE IS, TO THIS DAY. 650 00:29:53,488 --> 00:29:56,388 Narrator: WITH THE HELP OF JOURNALIST SYLVIA MORENO, 651 00:29:56,388 --> 00:29:59,821 WE'VE ARRANGED TO SPEAK WITH GUANDIQUE HIMSELF. 652 00:29:59,821 --> 00:30:01,654 [ Speaking Spanish ] 653 00:30:06,188 --> 00:30:08,388 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 654 00:30:11,988 --> 00:30:13,654 [ SINISTER MUSIC PLAYS, CHORD STRIKES ] 655 00:30:16,521 --> 00:30:18,121 Narrator: WHEN IT'S DISCOVERED THE STAR WITNESS 656 00:30:18,121 --> 00:30:21,488 IN THE CHANDRA LEVY MURDER TRIAL LIED ON THE STAND, 657 00:30:21,488 --> 00:30:25,688 THE PROSECUTION DROPS CHARGES AGAINST INGMAR GUANDIQUE. 658 00:30:25,688 --> 00:30:30,121 THERE ARE SOME WHO BELIEVE, EVEN AS THE CASE FELL APART, 659 00:30:30,121 --> 00:30:32,188 THAT HE'S STILL THE MOST LIKELY MAN 660 00:30:32,188 --> 00:30:34,521 TO HAVE COMMITTED THIS CRIME. 661 00:30:34,521 --> 00:30:38,721 HE WAS A LEGITIMATE SUSPECT, AND HE IS, TO THIS DAY. 662 00:30:38,721 --> 00:30:42,321 NOW, JOURNALIST SYLVIA MORENO IS INTERVIEWING GUANDIQUE 663 00:30:42,321 --> 00:30:43,654 OVER THE PHONE, 664 00:30:43,654 --> 00:30:47,854 FROM AN IMMIGRATION DETENTION FACILITY IN VIRGINIA. 665 00:30:47,854 --> 00:30:49,588 INGMAR? -[ Speaking Spanish ] 666 00:30:49,588 --> 00:30:51,154 AH, OKAY. 667 00:30:51,154 --> 00:30:54,421 Narrator: MORENO BEGINS BY ASKING GUANDIQUE ABOUT THE ATTACKS 668 00:30:54,421 --> 00:30:58,621 ON THE TWO JOGGERS THAT LANDED HIM IN JAIL IN 2001. 669 00:30:58,621 --> 00:31:01,354 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 670 00:31:28,821 --> 00:31:30,954 Narrator: GUANDIQUE CLAIMS THAT ANOTHER FORCE MOTIVATING HIS ACTIONS 671 00:31:30,954 --> 00:31:33,554 WAS DRUGS. 672 00:31:36,821 --> 00:31:38,088 MM-HMM. 673 00:31:38,088 --> 00:31:39,288 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] 674 00:32:00,888 --> 00:32:03,088 [ OUTRO PLAYS ] 675 00:32:03,088 --> 00:32:07,154 Narrator: WHEN INVESTIGATORS QUESTIONED GUANDIQUE IN PRISON IN 2008, 676 00:32:07,154 --> 00:32:09,821 ONE OF HIS TATTOOS CAUGHT THEIR ATTENTION. 677 00:32:09,821 --> 00:32:11,621 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 678 00:32:43,154 --> 00:32:45,154 [in Spanish] No. 679 00:32:53,088 --> 00:32:54,221 Sí. 680 00:33:22,688 --> 00:33:24,088 MM-HMM. 681 00:33:24,088 --> 00:33:25,554 ** 682 00:33:27,988 --> 00:33:29,554 [ SINISTER MUSIC CLIMBS ] [in Spanish] No. 683 00:33:29,554 --> 00:33:32,654 Narrator: GUANDIQUE EXPLAINS THAT ONE MOMENT FROM THE TRIAL, 684 00:33:32,654 --> 00:33:35,954 AN ENCOUNTER WITH SUSAN LEVY, HAS STAYED WITH HIM. 685 00:33:35,954 --> 00:33:38,488 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] 686 00:34:23,988 --> 00:34:25,721 ** 687 00:34:25,721 --> 00:34:29,221 Narrator: WHEN REFLECTING ON HIS FATE, GUANDIQUE DRAWS A COMPARISON 688 00:34:29,221 --> 00:34:31,788 TO ANOTHER PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE CASE: 689 00:34:31,788 --> 00:34:33,588 GARY CONDIT. 690 00:35:25,988 --> 00:35:27,788 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] Moreno: I WOULD SAY 691 00:35:27,788 --> 00:35:31,688 THAT GUANDIQUE'S POSITION IS VERY CONSISTENT. 692 00:35:31,688 --> 00:35:35,221 HE HAS ALWAYS REITERATED, 693 00:35:35,221 --> 00:35:37,754 EVEN GOING BACK TO MY FIRST COMMUNICATION WITH HIM, 694 00:35:37,754 --> 00:35:39,888 VIA LETTER IN 2002, 695 00:35:39,888 --> 00:35:43,321 THAT HE NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHANDRA LEVY MURDER. 696 00:35:43,321 --> 00:35:46,788 Narrator: NONETHELESS, IT'S LIKELY THAT HE'LL SOON BE EXPATRIATED 697 00:35:46,788 --> 00:35:48,854 TO EL SALVADOR. 698 00:35:48,854 --> 00:35:54,088 AS A CRIMINAL ALIEN, UNDER U.S. LAW, HE SHOULD BE DEPORTED, 699 00:35:54,088 --> 00:35:56,988 BUT HE'S FIGHTING A CASE TO STAY IN THE UNITED STATES 700 00:35:56,988 --> 00:36:00,221 AND NOT BE DEPORTED BACK TO EL SALVADOR. 701 00:36:00,221 --> 00:36:04,288 Narrator: NOW, WITH NO NEW EVIDENCE, THE CASE HAS GONE COLD. 702 00:36:04,288 --> 00:36:08,188 THE TRAGIC IRONY OF THIS CASE IS THAT, AFTER ALL THIS WORK, 703 00:36:08,188 --> 00:36:10,354 WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE, BACK TO 704 00:36:10,354 --> 00:36:13,421 WE DON'T KNOW WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY. 705 00:36:13,421 --> 00:36:16,154 Narrator: BUT ONE MAN BELIEVES HE HAS THE ANSWER: 706 00:36:16,154 --> 00:36:19,588 THE LEVY FAMILY'S PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR. 707 00:36:19,588 --> 00:36:25,088 I HAVE MY THEORY AND I'M CONVINCED OF MY THEORY 708 00:36:25,088 --> 00:36:26,888 AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT AROUND IT. 709 00:36:26,888 --> 00:36:29,421 I'M SATISFIED THAT I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 710 00:36:29,421 --> 00:36:31,288 [ OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYS ] 711 00:36:33,788 --> 00:36:35,088 Narrator: THE CHANDRA LEVY CASE 712 00:36:35,088 --> 00:36:37,321 HAS ENDURED COUNTLESS TWISTS AND TURNS 713 00:36:37,321 --> 00:36:39,921 OVER THE LAST 16 YEARS. 714 00:36:39,921 --> 00:36:43,788 THE TRAGIC IRONY OF THIS CASE IS THAT, AFTER ALL THIS WORK, 715 00:36:43,788 --> 00:36:46,088 WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE, BACK TO 716 00:36:46,088 --> 00:36:49,254 WE DON'T KNOW WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY. 717 00:36:49,254 --> 00:36:51,088 OR WHY. 718 00:36:51,088 --> 00:36:53,754 Narrator: MANY BELIEVE ONE UNANSWERED QUESTION 719 00:36:53,754 --> 00:36:56,521 COULD BE THE KEY TO SOLVING THIS MURDER. 720 00:36:56,521 --> 00:36:58,621 WHAT WAS SHE DOING IN ROCK CREEK PARK? 721 00:36:58,621 --> 00:37:00,788 THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE BELIEVES 722 00:37:00,788 --> 00:37:03,521 THAT SHE WAS JOGGING ALONG A TRAIL THERE. 723 00:37:03,521 --> 00:37:05,954 SHE WAS SOMEONE WHO TOOK CARE OF HER BODY, 724 00:37:05,954 --> 00:37:08,254 LIKED TO EXERCISE EVERY DAY. 725 00:37:08,254 --> 00:37:10,288 THE PARK OFFERED A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY, 726 00:37:10,288 --> 00:37:12,854 THE PERFECT PLACE TO DO THAT. 727 00:37:12,854 --> 00:37:15,154 Narrator: BUT SOME POINT TO THE PARK'S LANDSCAPE 728 00:37:15,154 --> 00:37:17,388 AND REACH A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION. 729 00:37:17,388 --> 00:37:19,888 THE LEADING PROPONENT OF THIS IDEA IS 730 00:37:19,888 --> 00:37:22,821 LEVY FAMILY INVESTIGATOR JOE McCANN. 731 00:37:22,821 --> 00:37:24,421 FOR THE FIRST TIME, EVER, 732 00:37:24,421 --> 00:37:26,521 HE DISCUSSES IT ON-CAMERA. 733 00:37:26,521 --> 00:37:30,321 I LOOK AT THE TRAIL THAT SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE JOGGING ON, 734 00:37:30,321 --> 00:37:32,088 AND IT IS A HORSE TRAIL. 735 00:37:32,088 --> 00:37:35,254 IT IS COVERED WITH ROCKS, ROOTS. 736 00:37:35,254 --> 00:37:38,254 IT IS DIFFICULT TO JOG ON, 737 00:37:38,254 --> 00:37:40,321 AND IT WOULDN'T BE YOUR FIRST CHOICE. 738 00:37:40,321 --> 00:37:42,288 YOU'D TWIST YOUR ANKLE. 739 00:37:42,288 --> 00:37:47,288 I CAN TELL YOU SHE WASN'T JOGGIN' ON THAT TRAIL. 740 00:37:47,288 --> 00:37:50,888 SHE HAD ALSO EXPRESSED TO FRIENDS THAT SHE WAS CONCERNED 741 00:37:50,888 --> 00:37:53,888 ABOUT GOING TO REMOTE PLACES, AS A WOMAN, ALONE, 742 00:37:53,888 --> 00:37:55,088 SO WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT? 743 00:37:55,088 --> 00:37:57,621 IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 744 00:37:57,621 --> 00:38:00,854 Narrator: McCANN BELIEVES ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE OFFERS INSIGHT 745 00:38:00,854 --> 00:38:03,854 INTO WHY CHANDRA LEFT HER APARTMENT. 746 00:38:03,854 --> 00:38:07,088 I REMEMBER BACK IN HER APARTMENT, 747 00:38:07,088 --> 00:38:10,388 THERE WAS ONE THING THAT WAS OUT OF PLACE. 748 00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:12,788 THERE WAS A BLANKET THAT WAS THROWN 749 00:38:12,788 --> 00:38:15,421 JUST INSIDE HER FRONT DOOR. 750 00:38:15,421 --> 00:38:16,821 Narrator: ACCORDING TO McCANN, 751 00:38:16,821 --> 00:38:19,888 THIS INDICATES THAT SHE LEFT IN A RUSH. 752 00:38:19,888 --> 00:38:22,154 MAYBE THAT BLANKET WAS IN THE DRYER 753 00:38:22,154 --> 00:38:24,621 AND SHE RUSHED AND PULLED IT OUT OF THE DRYER, 754 00:38:24,621 --> 00:38:27,154 THREW IT ON THE GROUND, AND LEFT. 755 00:38:27,154 --> 00:38:31,921 Narrator: IF SHE WAS, INDEED, IN A HURRY, IT BEGS THE QUESTION: WHY? 756 00:38:31,921 --> 00:38:34,254 ONE THEORY THAT THE POLICE WERE WORKING UNDER 757 00:38:34,254 --> 00:38:36,854 IS THAT CHANDRA LEVY DELIBERATELY WENT 758 00:38:36,854 --> 00:38:39,088 TO ROCK CREEK PARK TO MEET SOMEONE. 759 00:38:39,088 --> 00:38:41,288 Narrator: ACCORDING TO THIS THEORY, SHE WAS KILLED, 760 00:38:41,288 --> 00:38:43,521 NOT BY A STRANGER, LIKE GUANDIQUE; 761 00:38:43,521 --> 00:38:45,721 BUT BY SOMEONE SHE KNEW. 762 00:38:45,721 --> 00:38:50,088 MAYBE SHE GOT A CALL AND MET SOMEBODY OUTSIDE 763 00:38:50,088 --> 00:38:53,354 AND THEY DROVE TO ROCK CREEK PARK. 764 00:38:53,354 --> 00:38:57,321 WHOEVER SHE MET WITH, MAYBE, COULDN'T GO HOME WITH HER, 765 00:38:57,321 --> 00:38:59,421 AND SHE COULDN'T BE SEEN WITH SOMEBODY 766 00:38:59,421 --> 00:39:02,254 AND NOW, TOGETHER, THEY WALK UP THE TRAIL. 767 00:39:02,254 --> 00:39:04,621 AND, AT SOME POINT, ON THAT TRAIL, 768 00:39:04,621 --> 00:39:07,088 SHE WILLINGLY DECIDES TO GO DOWN THE TRAIL 769 00:39:07,088 --> 00:39:08,921 OR DOWN THE HILL WITH THIS PERSON, 770 00:39:08,921 --> 00:39:12,321 AND SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED THERE. 771 00:39:12,321 --> 00:39:15,354 Narrator: McCANN HAS THE NAME OF A SUSPECT IN MIND. 772 00:39:15,354 --> 00:39:18,088 BUT WON'T REVEAL WHO. 773 00:39:18,088 --> 00:39:20,088 I HAVE MY THEORY. 774 00:39:20,088 --> 00:39:24,388 I DON'T NECESSARILY DISCUSS THAT, ESPECIALLY NOT ON-CAMERA. 775 00:39:24,388 --> 00:39:28,554 THAT'S MY OWN THING. AND I CAN'T PROVE IT. 776 00:39:28,554 --> 00:39:32,121 BUT I'M SATISFIED THAT I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 777 00:39:32,121 --> 00:39:34,854 Narrator: DESPITE HIS CERTAINTY, McCANN FEELS THE EVIDENCE 778 00:39:34,854 --> 00:39:38,088 CONNECTING HIS SUSPECT TO THE CRIME IS LACKING 779 00:39:38,088 --> 00:39:42,154 AND THE METRO PD IS NO LONGER WORKING THE CASE. 780 00:39:42,154 --> 00:39:44,488 ONCE AN ARREST IS MADE, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS 781 00:39:44,488 --> 00:39:48,821 TO THE PERSON AFTER THAT ARREST, THE CASE REMAINS CLOSED. 782 00:39:48,821 --> 00:39:51,654 WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY MORE ENERGY DEVOTED 783 00:39:51,654 --> 00:39:53,354 TO TRYING TO SOLVE THIS THING, 784 00:39:53,354 --> 00:39:55,154 I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE THEY CAN GO. 785 00:39:55,154 --> 00:39:58,088 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] 786 00:39:58,088 --> 00:40:05,588 ** 787 00:40:05,588 --> 00:40:08,054 Narrator: IT SEEMS THE IDENTITY OF THE PERPETRATOR 788 00:40:08,054 --> 00:40:10,754 COULD FOREVER REMAIN A MYSTERY. 789 00:40:10,754 --> 00:40:11,988 THE POOR WOMAN WAS MURDERED 790 00:40:11,988 --> 00:40:14,221 AND THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE MAY NEVER BE FOUND. 791 00:40:14,221 --> 00:40:17,388 MAYBE HE WAS FOUND AND THE GOVERNMENT SCREWED IT UP. 792 00:40:17,388 --> 00:40:19,288 NOW WE'RE 15 YEARS LATER. 793 00:40:19,288 --> 00:40:21,388 WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. 794 00:40:21,388 --> 00:40:24,854 WE HAVE NO EYEWITNESSES, SO, 795 00:40:24,854 --> 00:40:28,788 IN MY MIND, IT'S EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO SOLVE. 796 00:40:28,788 --> 00:40:31,554 WHEN IT COMES TO COLD CASES, OR CASES LIKE THIS, 797 00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:34,088 YOU LIVE FOR THE LONG SHOT. 798 00:40:34,088 --> 00:40:35,621 IT MAY NEVER HAPPEN, 799 00:40:35,621 --> 00:40:38,154 OR SOMETHING MAY COME UP TOMORROW. 800 00:40:38,154 --> 00:40:40,154 ONE THING THAT HAUNTS ME IS 801 00:40:40,154 --> 00:40:43,154 THAT I MIGHT'VE MISSED THAT LEAD THAT CAME IN. 802 00:40:43,154 --> 00:40:45,888 I MIGHT'VE READ IT AND JUST BLEW IT AWAY 803 00:40:45,888 --> 00:40:48,154 AND THAT WAS THE THING THAT WOULD'VE SOLVED THIS CASE. 804 00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:51,421 TO THIS DAY, I STILL THINK ABOUT THAT. 805 00:40:51,421 --> 00:40:52,788 [ SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS ] 806 00:40:52,788 --> 00:40:54,554 [ SUSPENSEFUL CHORD STRIKES ] 807 00:40:54,554 --> 00:40:56,021 [ MELANCHOLY TUNE PLAYS ] THIS HAS BEEN A VERY EMOTIONAL 808 00:40:56,021 --> 00:40:59,888 AND VERY PHYSICALLY DIFFICULT CASE FOR THE LEVY FAMILY 809 00:40:59,888 --> 00:41:01,821 AND, FOR IT TO CONTINUE, 810 00:41:01,821 --> 00:41:06,088 INDEFINITELY, AT THIS POINT, IS SO UNFAIR TO THE FAMILY. 811 00:41:06,088 --> 00:41:09,821 ANYTIME A YOUNG ADULT LOSES THEIR LIFE, 812 00:41:09,821 --> 00:41:12,288 IT BECOMES A TRAGEDY BECAUSE 813 00:41:12,288 --> 00:41:16,121 THERE IS SO MUCH POTENTIAL THERE THAT'S NEVER REALIZED. 814 00:41:16,121 --> 00:41:17,354 WE DON'T LIKE THE WORD CLOSURE. 815 00:41:17,354 --> 00:41:18,788 NOBODY REALLY LIKES IT, WHO'S LOST ANYBODY. 816 00:41:18,788 --> 00:41:20,221 YOU KNOW, WE HATE THAT WORD. 817 00:41:20,221 --> 00:41:25,354 I THINK YOU LEARN TO SEE WHAT IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE IS 818 00:41:25,354 --> 00:41:29,788 AND WHAT TRIVIAL THINGS THERE ARE. 819 00:41:29,788 --> 00:41:31,221 Narrator: THROUGHOUT THEIR DAYS, 820 00:41:31,221 --> 00:41:33,188 THE LEVYS CELEBRATE THEIR DAUGHTER 821 00:41:33,188 --> 00:41:35,788 IN A UNIQUE AND UNEXPECTED WAY. 822 00:41:35,788 --> 00:41:37,554 WE CELEBRATE LADYBUGS. 823 00:41:37,554 --> 00:41:38,888 -YEAH, LADYBUGS. -MESSAGES. 824 00:41:38,888 --> 00:41:41,288 WE CELEBRATE SIGNS AND MESSAGES. 825 00:41:41,288 --> 00:41:43,988 HER SECRET NAME WAS LITTLE LADYBUG 826 00:41:43,988 --> 00:41:46,188 AND, WHEN WE TRAVEL, 827 00:41:46,188 --> 00:41:49,288 SHE SHOWS UP IN UNIQUE WAYS. 828 00:41:49,288 --> 00:41:51,988 LAST YEAR, WE WERE IN INNER MONGOLIA. 829 00:41:51,988 --> 00:41:55,088 IT'S REMOTE AND WE STOPPED TO EAT. 830 00:41:55,088 --> 00:41:59,388 AND, ON BOB'S PANTS SHOWS UP A LADYBUG 831 00:41:59,388 --> 00:42:01,888 AND IT STAYED QUITE A WHILE. 832 00:42:01,888 --> 00:42:06,088 AND I ASKED EVERYBODY IF THEY'D EVER SEE LADYBUGS? 833 00:42:06,088 --> 00:42:07,654 IT'S THE FIRST TIME. 834 00:42:07,654 --> 00:42:13,688 IN RUSSIA, BOB SAID HE SAW A WOMAN DRIVE BY, ON A BIKE, 835 00:42:13,688 --> 00:42:15,088 THAT LOOKED LIKE CHANDRA. 836 00:42:15,088 --> 00:42:19,221 ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE'S A LADYBUG ON THE BUS. 837 00:42:19,221 --> 00:42:22,321 THEN IT HAPPENED IN GERMANY. 838 00:42:22,321 --> 00:42:26,221 Robert: IT'S BEEN A WHILE NOW, AND YOU JUST GET USED TO EVERYTHING. 839 00:42:26,221 --> 00:42:28,854 YOU HATE TO GET USED TO IT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. 840 00:42:28,854 --> 00:42:31,954 WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO BUT GO ON?