1 00:00:01,758 --> 00:00:06,208 ♪♪ 2 00:00:06,206 --> 00:00:09,206 WHEN THEY RELEASED DAD'S BODY TO THE MORTUARY, 3 00:00:09,206 --> 00:00:14,896 I WENT DOWN THERE AND ASKED TO SEE HIM AND SAY GOODBYE TO HIM. 4 00:00:14,896 --> 00:00:17,966 YOU CAN'T LOOK AT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. 5 00:00:17,965 --> 00:00:19,755 IT'S NOT WHO YOU LOVED. 6 00:00:19,758 --> 00:00:23,408 IT'S NOT WHO YOU KNEW. 7 00:00:23,413 --> 00:00:27,283 YOU HAVE TO LET YOURSELF KNOW THAT HE'S IN A BETTER PLACE 8 00:00:27,275 --> 00:00:29,655 AND BELIEVE THAT. 9 00:00:33,310 --> 00:00:37,340 THIS IS FROM PAGE ONE OF EVERETT POLICE WITNESS STATEMENT. 10 00:00:37,344 --> 00:00:41,284 "ALL I DID IN THIS WAS STAB JERRY TWICE IN THE SAME SPOT 11 00:00:41,275 --> 00:00:44,515 ON HIS LEFT SIDE OF HIS STOMACH. 12 00:00:44,517 --> 00:00:46,547 I ALSO HELPED CLEAN UP THE BLOOD 13 00:00:46,551 --> 00:00:52,481 THAT WAS ALL OVER IN THE WALLS AND ON THE FLOOR." 14 00:00:52,482 --> 00:00:56,792 PEOPLE WHO MURDERED THIS GUY AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE 15 00:00:56,793 --> 00:00:58,973 WITH NO CRIMINAL HISTORY, NO DRUG USE, 16 00:00:58,965 --> 00:01:01,405 NO GANG TIES... 17 00:01:01,413 --> 00:01:04,413 HOW DID THEY GET TALKED INTO THIS? 18 00:01:04,413 --> 00:01:07,723 ♪♪ 19 00:01:07,724 --> 00:01:10,624 IT ALL STARTED RIGHT HERE. 20 00:01:13,379 --> 00:01:17,069 I DON'T LIKE BEING IN HERE. 21 00:01:17,068 --> 00:01:20,168 I'M GETTING UPSET ABOUT IT. 22 00:01:20,172 --> 00:01:22,212 THE MEMORIES. 23 00:01:22,206 --> 00:01:24,376 TOO MANY BAD MEMORIES. 24 00:01:27,241 --> 00:01:31,551 IT'S HARD TO GRASP WHAT'S HAPPENED TO HIM, AND... 25 00:01:35,310 --> 00:01:36,480 IT'S HARD. 26 00:01:36,482 --> 00:01:39,212 IT'S JUST TOO HARD TO HOLD ON TO. 27 00:01:39,206 --> 00:01:44,546 ♪♪ 28 00:01:44,551 --> 00:01:49,931 ♪♪ 29 00:01:49,931 --> 00:01:52,931 Captions by VITAC... www.vitac.com 30 00:01:52,931 --> 00:01:55,931 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 31 00:01:58,034 --> 00:02:07,834 ♪♪ 32 00:02:07,827 --> 00:02:17,617 ♪♪ 33 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:21,660 Greg: YEAH, ME AND DAD WERE CLOSE. 34 00:02:21,655 --> 00:02:24,715 HE'S MY DAD, BUT WE WERE GOOD BUDDIES. 35 00:02:24,724 --> 00:02:26,284 WE LIKED DOING THE SAME THINGS, 36 00:02:26,275 --> 00:02:30,275 SO IT WORKED OUT PRETTY GOOD TO HANG OUT WITH EACH OTHER. 37 00:02:33,827 --> 00:02:36,617 YEAH, WE DID HAVE A GREAT TIME. 38 00:02:36,620 --> 00:02:41,480 ♪♪ 39 00:02:41,482 --> 00:02:44,032 DAD HAD CALLED ME AND TOLD ME THAT HE HAD CANCER 40 00:02:44,034 --> 00:02:45,624 AND WASN'T GOING TO GET TREATED, 41 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:49,900 SO I DECIDED I'D BETTER GET OUT THERE AND TALK HIM INTO IT. 42 00:02:49,896 --> 00:02:51,306 I WASN'T READY FOR HIM TO GO. 43 00:02:51,310 --> 00:02:53,210 HE'S STILL YOUNG AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND 44 00:02:53,206 --> 00:02:55,786 ANOTHER 20 YEARS AT LEAST. 45 00:02:55,793 --> 00:03:02,933 ♪♪ 46 00:03:02,931 --> 00:03:06,171 WE FLEW IN, MY EX-WIFE AND I. 47 00:03:06,172 --> 00:03:07,972 WHEN WE GOT TO THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, 48 00:03:07,965 --> 00:03:09,855 IT LOOKED LIKE NO ONE WAS THERE. 49 00:03:09,862 --> 00:03:12,792 THAT'S FOR SURE. ALL THE BLINDS WERE DRAWN. 50 00:03:12,793 --> 00:03:14,723 THE HOUSE WAS LOCKED UP, 51 00:03:14,724 --> 00:03:16,834 NO LIGHTS ON. 52 00:03:16,827 --> 00:03:21,137 I JUST FIGURED HE'D FORGOT THE TIME, IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. 53 00:03:21,137 --> 00:03:25,687 I WALKED AROUND THE HOUSE, AND I'M CHECKING THE WINDOWS. 54 00:03:25,689 --> 00:03:28,069 I DID FIND ONE THAT WAS UNLOCKED. 55 00:03:31,172 --> 00:03:33,692 WHEN I CAME THROUGH THE WINDOW, 56 00:03:33,689 --> 00:03:36,969 THERE WAS NO TV OR NO COUCH IN THE LIVING ROOM. 57 00:03:36,965 --> 00:03:39,135 IT WAS LIKE SOMEONE HAD MOVED OUT. 58 00:03:41,689 --> 00:03:44,659 YOU LOOK AROUND, AND YOU SAY, "WHAT HAPPENED HERE? 59 00:03:44,655 --> 00:03:47,965 WHERE'D ALL THE STUFF GO? WHERE'S DAD?" 60 00:03:47,965 --> 00:03:51,655 STARTED LOOKING AROUND THE HOUSE. 61 00:03:51,655 --> 00:03:53,965 THAT'S WHEN I FOUND GRANDMA. 62 00:03:53,965 --> 00:04:02,135 ♪♪ 63 00:04:02,137 --> 00:04:06,027 MY GRANDMOTHER, EVELYN, GOT ALZHEIMER'S, 64 00:04:06,034 --> 00:04:08,384 AND SHE COULDN'T SPEAK, 65 00:04:08,379 --> 00:04:10,659 AND SHE DIDN'T SHOW MUCH EMOTION HARDLY AT ALL 66 00:04:10,655 --> 00:04:14,825 EXCEPT WHEN SHE LOOKED AT ME AND START CRYING. 67 00:04:14,827 --> 00:04:20,067 GRANDMA LOOKED EXTREMELY TIRED. 68 00:04:20,068 --> 00:04:23,998 SHE WAS VERY FRAIL. 69 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:28,380 SHE HAD A GLASS OF WATER IN FRONT OF HER. 70 00:04:28,379 --> 00:04:31,999 IT WAS EMPTY AT THAT POINT, 71 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:37,900 AND SHE'D BEEN EATING NEWSPAPER ON THE... 72 00:04:37,896 --> 00:04:39,166 FROM THE... THAT WAS SITTING ON THE TABLE 73 00:04:39,172 --> 00:04:41,622 BECAUSE SHE HAD NOTHING ELSE TO EAT, 74 00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:44,720 SO SHE'D BEEN RIPPING OFF NEWSPAPER AND EATING THAT. 75 00:04:47,137 --> 00:04:48,447 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S THINKING 76 00:04:48,448 --> 00:04:51,408 OR HOW MUCH SHE COULD COMPREHEND, 77 00:04:51,413 --> 00:04:54,833 BUT IT MADE ME MAD 78 00:04:54,827 --> 00:04:59,377 BECAUSE NO ONE WAS THERE TO TAKE CARE OF HER. 79 00:04:59,379 --> 00:05:02,479 DAD MIGHT HAVE LEFT HER ALONE TO RUN TO THE STORE 80 00:05:02,482 --> 00:05:05,452 AND GET A PACK OF CIGARETTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 81 00:05:05,448 --> 00:05:10,408 BUT HE WOULD NEVER JUST ABANDON HER FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME. 82 00:05:10,413 --> 00:05:20,243 ♪♪ 83 00:05:20,241 --> 00:05:25,661 I KNEW HER NAME WAS BARBARA, BARBARA OPEL. 84 00:05:25,655 --> 00:05:28,925 HE TOLD ME THAT HE'D HIRED HER AND THAT SHE HAD THREE KIDS, 85 00:05:28,931 --> 00:05:30,831 AND TWO OF THEM WERE UNDER THE AGE OF 10, 86 00:05:30,827 --> 00:05:34,857 AND THE OTHER WAS 14 AT THE TIME, THE OLDER GIRL. 87 00:05:34,862 --> 00:05:39,592 I HAD THOUGHT SHE'D DECIDE TO MOVE OUT WHILE DAD WAS GONE 88 00:05:39,586 --> 00:05:41,616 AND TAKE SOME OF HIS STUFF. 89 00:05:44,655 --> 00:05:46,855 YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING INWARD, 90 00:05:46,862 --> 00:05:48,692 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED 91 00:05:48,689 --> 00:05:50,659 AND JUST STARING AT NOTHING, 92 00:05:50,655 --> 00:05:54,825 AND THEN YOU GET SOMETHING THAT CATCHES YOUR INTEREST. 93 00:05:58,310 --> 00:06:02,000 I SAW SOME STAINS ON GRANDMA'S WHEELCHAIR. 94 00:06:05,137 --> 00:06:07,997 IT APPEARED TO BE BLOOD. 95 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:14,140 ♪♪ 96 00:06:14,137 --> 00:06:20,277 ♪♪ 97 00:06:20,275 --> 00:06:23,205 THERE WAS A MINOR ACCIDENT IN THE SOUTH END OF TOWN 98 00:06:23,206 --> 00:06:26,516 INVOLVING A U-HAUL TRUCK. 99 00:06:26,517 --> 00:06:33,237 THE U-HAUL TRUCK HAD BEEN REGISTERED TO JERRY HEIMANN. 100 00:06:33,241 --> 00:06:35,761 AND BARBARA OPEL IS IN THE VEHICLE. 101 00:06:39,689 --> 00:06:43,169 MYSELF AND MY PARTNER WERE ASSIGNED TO GO OUT, 102 00:06:43,172 --> 00:06:49,622 MAKE CONTACT WITH BARBARA OPEL AND FIND OUT WHAT SHE KNEW. 103 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:54,170 SHE WAS STAYING NEARBY AT A LOCAL MOTEL. 104 00:06:54,172 --> 00:06:57,282 [ KNOCK ON DOOR ] 105 00:06:59,448 --> 00:07:01,068 - HI. - HI, MISS OPEL? 106 00:07:01,068 --> 00:07:02,688 - YES. - HI. 107 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:06,619 IT WAS NOISY IN THIS SMALL MOTEL ROOM. 108 00:07:06,620 --> 00:07:12,520 THE TV WAS ON, AND HER KIDS JUMPING ON THE BED. 109 00:07:12,517 --> 00:07:16,897 ALSO ON SCENE WAS JEFFREY GROTE, 110 00:07:16,896 --> 00:07:19,926 THE DRIVER OF THE U-HAUL TRUCK. 111 00:07:19,931 --> 00:07:22,211 NOW, I DID NOT KNOW AT THAT TIME 112 00:07:22,206 --> 00:07:27,446 EXACTLY WHAT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH EVERYONE THERE WAS. 113 00:07:27,448 --> 00:07:29,408 WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? 114 00:07:29,413 --> 00:07:35,723 BARBARA IS AN AVERAGE-LOOKING MOM IN HER LATE 30s. 115 00:07:35,724 --> 00:07:38,664 WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT JERRY. 116 00:07:38,655 --> 00:07:40,205 WHAT ABOUT JERRY? 117 00:07:40,206 --> 00:07:41,276 HAVE YOU SEEN HIM LATELY? 118 00:07:41,275 --> 00:07:45,895 WE WANTED TO KNOW WHY WAS EVELYN ABANDONED, 119 00:07:45,896 --> 00:07:50,656 AND WE WANTED TO KNOW IF SHE KNEW WHERE JERRY WAS, 120 00:07:50,655 --> 00:07:54,895 AND SHE REPLIED THAT JERRY KNEW SHE WAS MOVING OUT, 121 00:07:54,896 --> 00:07:57,206 AND SHE HAD NO IDEA WHERE HE WAS 122 00:07:57,206 --> 00:07:59,996 OR WHY HE WASN'T THERE WITH EVELYN. 123 00:08:03,034 --> 00:08:07,074 BARBARA DID GIVE US PERMISSION TO SEARCH THE U-HAUL, 124 00:08:07,068 --> 00:08:11,688 AND WE DID SEARCH IT AND TAKE SEVERAL PHOTOS, 125 00:08:11,689 --> 00:08:17,719 BUT WE FOUND NOTHING UNUSUAL IN THE BACK OF THE U-HAUL. 126 00:08:17,724 --> 00:08:20,284 TOYS, CLOTHES, THE KIND OF THINGS 127 00:08:20,275 --> 00:08:24,165 THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT SOMEONE TO BE MOVING, 128 00:08:24,172 --> 00:08:28,382 GIVEN HER ROLE AT THE HOUSE. 129 00:08:28,379 --> 00:08:31,409 GIVEN THE TOTALITY OF WHAT WE KNEW AT THE TIME, 130 00:08:31,413 --> 00:08:32,763 SOMETHING SEEMED OFF, 131 00:08:32,758 --> 00:08:36,588 BUT WE JUST WEREN'T QUITE SURE WHAT YET. 132 00:08:36,586 --> 00:08:39,206 JEFF GROTE AGREED TO WATCH THE KIDS 133 00:08:39,206 --> 00:08:42,136 WHILE BARBARA WENT DOWN TO THE POLICE STATION 134 00:08:42,137 --> 00:08:44,137 TO GIVE A STATEMENT. 135 00:08:44,137 --> 00:08:51,617 ♪♪ 136 00:08:51,620 --> 00:08:59,100 ♪♪ 137 00:08:59,103 --> 00:09:02,763 Peterson: I NEVER REALLY WORRIED ABOUT JEFF. 138 00:09:02,758 --> 00:09:09,898 HE HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, AND JEFF HAD A GOOD JOB, WORKING. 139 00:09:09,896 --> 00:09:13,166 I PRETTY MUCH KNEW WHERE JEFF WAS ALL THE TIME. 140 00:09:13,172 --> 00:09:19,452 ♪♪ 141 00:09:19,448 --> 00:09:22,998 JEFF TOLD ME HE WAS GOING SKATING 142 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,550 OUT AT THE SKATE DECK IN EVERETT, 143 00:09:27,551 --> 00:09:31,861 AND JEFF WANTED TO STAY AT HIS GRANDMA'S, 144 00:09:31,862 --> 00:09:34,412 AND I HAD NO OBJECTION TO THAT. 145 00:09:34,413 --> 00:09:41,003 ♪♪ 146 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,340 THE NEXT DAY, I DID NOT HEAR FROM HIM, 147 00:09:45,344 --> 00:09:51,214 AND I HAD CALLED MY MOTHER TO SEE 148 00:09:51,206 --> 00:09:55,236 IF SHE HAD HEARD FROM HIM, AND SHE SAID NO, 149 00:09:55,241 --> 00:10:01,411 AND THAT'S WHEN I STARTED CHECKING WITH HIS FRIENDS. 150 00:10:01,413 --> 00:10:08,243 I ASKED THIS ONE BOY IF HE HAD SEEN JEFF, 151 00:10:08,241 --> 00:10:13,791 AND HE SAYS, "WELL, HE WAS OUT AT THE SKATE DECK WITH HEATHER." 152 00:10:13,793 --> 00:10:18,483 JEFF NEVER MENTIONED THE NAME HEATHER TO ME EVER BEFORE. 153 00:10:18,482 --> 00:10:21,662 I HAD NO IDEA WHO SHE WAS. 154 00:10:21,655 --> 00:10:23,065 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 155 00:10:23,068 --> 00:10:27,718 I NEVER HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT SITUATION BEFORE, 156 00:10:27,724 --> 00:10:32,594 AND I WAS LOST. 157 00:10:32,586 --> 00:10:38,896 ♪♪ 158 00:10:38,896 --> 00:10:45,236 ♪♪ 159 00:10:45,241 --> 00:10:47,861 WELL, MY FIANCé MET ME OUT IN THE DRIVEWAY. 160 00:10:47,862 --> 00:10:54,142 WHEN I PULLED IN, AND HE SAID, "JEFF HAS BEEN ARRESTED," 161 00:10:54,137 --> 00:10:57,587 AND I SAID, "FOR WHAT?" 162 00:10:57,586 --> 00:10:59,966 AND HE SAID, "FOR MURDER." 163 00:10:59,965 --> 00:11:02,165 AND I SAW IT ON THE NEWS. 164 00:11:02,172 --> 00:11:04,242 Anchorwoman: PROSECUTORS ALLEGE JEFFREY GROTE. 165 00:11:04,241 --> 00:11:06,031 AS THE PRIMARY KILLER. 166 00:11:06,034 --> 00:11:09,624 Peterson: I HAD TOTALLY BROKE DOWN RIGHT THEN AND THERE, 167 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:12,450 AND I SAYS, "WELL, I NEED TO GO SEE HIM. 168 00:11:12,448 --> 00:11:14,308 I WANT TO SEE MY SON." 169 00:11:19,517 --> 00:11:27,477 ♪♪ 170 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:34,900 ♪♪ 171 00:11:34,896 --> 00:11:38,966 JUST LOOKING AT IT AND SEEING MY SON. 172 00:11:42,931 --> 00:11:46,411 HE WAS A HAPPY LITTLE BOY. 173 00:11:46,413 --> 00:11:49,033 JEFF HAD NEVER BEEN IN ANY TROUBLE, 174 00:11:49,034 --> 00:11:55,034 NO CRIMINAL HISTORY WHATSOEVER, NEVER BEEN ARRESTED. 175 00:11:55,034 --> 00:11:59,174 I THOUGHT JEFF WAS ON THE RIGHT PATH. 176 00:11:59,172 --> 00:12:07,102 I JUST FOUND IT HARD TO BELIEVE 177 00:12:07,103 --> 00:12:10,033 THAT HE WOULD BE INVOLVED 178 00:12:10,034 --> 00:12:15,244 IN... A MURDER. 179 00:12:15,241 --> 00:12:18,521 HE WAS TOO KIND OF A PERSON, AND... 180 00:12:21,793 --> 00:12:26,413 I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT JEFF'S LIFE WOULD BE 181 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:32,073 IF HE HAD NEVER HAVE MET BARBARA OPEL, NEVER MET HEATHER. 182 00:12:32,068 --> 00:12:40,998 ♪♪ 183 00:13:05,896 --> 00:13:08,236 I GOT TO SAY, YOUR MOVES OUT THERE WERE PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. 184 00:13:08,241 --> 00:13:09,861 - ARE YOU KIDDING ME? - NO, YOU'RE... 185 00:13:09,862 --> 00:13:11,002 I WAS A WRECK. 186 00:13:37,068 --> 00:13:42,308 ♪♪ 187 00:13:49,034 --> 00:13:51,034 MOM! OH! 188 00:13:51,034 --> 00:13:52,664 WHAT ARE YOU TWO DOING? 189 00:13:52,655 --> 00:13:54,205 [ LAUGHS ] THIS IS JEFF. 190 00:13:54,206 --> 00:13:55,826 - MRS. OPEL. PLEASURE. - JEFF. 191 00:14:14,137 --> 00:14:23,827 ♪♪ 192 00:14:23,827 --> 00:14:27,307 Fortin: AT THIS POINT, WE WERE NOT CERTAIN. 193 00:14:27,310 --> 00:14:30,620 THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH A CRIMINAL SITUATION. 194 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:33,660 WE HAD AN APPARENT ABANDONMENT OF EVELYN, 195 00:14:33,655 --> 00:14:38,475 AND JERRY WAS MISSING, BUT MYSELF AND MY PARTNER 196 00:14:38,482 --> 00:14:42,932 HAD A FEELING THAT THINGS JUST WEREN'T ADDING UP. 197 00:14:42,931 --> 00:14:44,141 I'M SORRY. 198 00:14:44,137 --> 00:14:46,997 I WISH I HAD SOMETHING MORE TO GIVE YOU. I... 199 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,210 WE WANTED TO GET BARBARA DOWN IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT 200 00:14:49,206 --> 00:14:51,516 TO DO AN INTERVIEW. 201 00:14:51,517 --> 00:14:56,617 WE WERE ANXIOUS TO GET INTO THE DETAILS WITH HER. 202 00:14:56,620 --> 00:15:06,480 ♪♪ 203 00:15:06,482 --> 00:15:09,342 AT THAT POINT, IT WAS CONFIRMED 204 00:15:09,344 --> 00:15:13,904 THAT THERE WAS BLOOD SPATTER AT THE SCENE. 205 00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:20,479 BLOOD SPATTER WAS ON EVELYN'S WHEELCHAIR. 206 00:15:20,482 --> 00:15:22,452 THERE WAS BLOOD SPATTER ON THE TABLE 207 00:15:22,448 --> 00:15:26,688 SHE WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF, ON THE CEILING FAN 208 00:15:26,689 --> 00:15:30,449 ABOVE THE TABLE, 209 00:15:30,448 --> 00:15:34,278 ON THE WALLS IN THE KITCHEN AND LIVING ROOM. 210 00:15:34,275 --> 00:15:37,715 IT WAS MORE BLOOD THAN COULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR 211 00:15:37,724 --> 00:15:40,414 BY JUST SOMEBODY CUTTING THEMSELVES 212 00:15:40,413 --> 00:15:42,973 OR HAVING ANY KIND OF AN ACCIDENT. 213 00:15:45,137 --> 00:15:48,787 AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, WE FELT WE HAD A CRIME SCENE, 214 00:15:48,793 --> 00:15:52,283 BUT DID THAT MEAN SOMEBODY WAS INJURED AND HAD LEFT? 215 00:15:52,275 --> 00:15:57,275 DID IT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY WAS MURDERED AT THAT SCENE? 216 00:15:57,275 --> 00:16:00,615 WE WERE HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS, BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW 217 00:16:00,620 --> 00:16:03,900 BECAUSE WE REALLY HADN'T TALKED WITH ANYBODY YET. 218 00:16:05,931 --> 00:16:09,761 THE DECISION WAS MADE TO BRING JEFF 219 00:16:09,758 --> 00:16:12,898 AND THE CHILDREN DOWN TO THE EVERETT POLICE DEPARTMENT. 220 00:16:12,896 --> 00:16:19,896 ♪♪ 221 00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:26,966 ♪♪ 222 00:16:26,965 --> 00:16:30,235 Greg: WHEN THEY DETERMINED THERE WAS A LOT OF BLOOD ON THE STUFF, 223 00:16:30,241 --> 00:16:32,071 THEY NEEDED TO MAKE IT A CRIME SCENE, 224 00:16:32,068 --> 00:16:35,338 SO THAT AFTERNOON, THEY KICKED US OUT. 225 00:16:35,344 --> 00:16:37,624 WHEN THE HOUSE BECOMES A CRIME SCENE, 226 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:39,660 IT'S A HELPLESS FEELING. 227 00:16:39,655 --> 00:16:44,025 IT'S A FEELING OF DREAD. 228 00:16:44,034 --> 00:16:48,864 IT WAS VERY DISTRESSING BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 229 00:16:48,862 --> 00:16:50,282 WITH GRANDMA, THERE WAS NO WAY FOR HER 230 00:16:50,275 --> 00:16:52,965 TO COMMUNICATE WHAT SHE SAW. 231 00:16:52,965 --> 00:16:55,305 SHE'S THE ONLY WITNESS. 232 00:16:55,310 --> 00:16:58,550 YOUR MIND AUTOMATICALLY STARTS GOING TO THE WORST SCENARIO, 233 00:16:58,551 --> 00:17:00,551 THAT HE'S NOT COMING BACK. 234 00:17:00,551 --> 00:17:07,241 ♪♪ 235 00:17:07,241 --> 00:17:13,931 ♪♪ 236 00:17:13,931 --> 00:17:20,071 Fortin: SHE JUST INSISTED THAT SHE HAD NO IDEA WHERE JERRY WAS, 237 00:17:20,068 --> 00:17:21,718 THAT SHE DIDN'T ABANDON EVELYN, 238 00:17:21,724 --> 00:17:24,104 THAT JERRY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE TO TAKE CARE OF HER, 239 00:17:24,103 --> 00:17:29,143 AND IT REALLY WASN'T PROGRESSING AT THAT POINT BEYOND THAT. 240 00:17:29,137 --> 00:17:33,407 THINGS CHANGED, AND CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, 241 00:17:33,413 --> 00:17:34,863 WHEN THE DETECTIVES 242 00:17:34,862 --> 00:17:37,792 WHO WERE INTERVIEWING HER MINOR CHILDREN... 243 00:17:37,793 --> 00:17:39,973 - FORTIN. - YEAH? 244 00:17:39,965 --> 00:17:43,615 ...TOLD US THAT THE YOUNG DAUGHTER 245 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:47,930 HAD SAID THAT JERRY IS DEAD. 246 00:17:47,931 --> 00:17:50,691 AND IN FACT, THE 11-YEAR-OLD SAID, 247 00:17:50,689 --> 00:17:54,689 "I CAN TAKE YOU TO JERRY'S BODY." 248 00:17:59,931 --> 00:18:07,591 ♪♪ 249 00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:13,546 Fortin: THE YOUNG DAUGHTER HAD SAID THAT JERRY IS DEAD, 250 00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:14,931 AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, 251 00:18:14,931 --> 00:18:19,001 HER 11-YEAR-OLD SON GAVE US EVEN MORE DETAILS, 252 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,070 AND IN FACT, THE 11-YEAR-OLD SAID, 253 00:18:22,068 --> 00:18:26,098 "I CAN TAKE YOU TO JERRY'S BODY." 254 00:18:26,103 --> 00:18:35,723 ♪♪ 255 00:18:35,724 --> 00:18:39,794 JERRY'S BODY HAD BEEN DUMPED IN THE WOODS. 256 00:18:41,965 --> 00:18:48,135 HE HAD BEEN BRUTALLY BEAT, STABBED. 257 00:18:48,137 --> 00:18:50,407 HIS SKULL HAD BEEN BASHED IN, 258 00:18:50,413 --> 00:18:54,973 AND ACCORDING TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S REPORT, 259 00:18:54,965 --> 00:18:58,585 IT WAS THOSE HEAD INJURIES THAT CAUSED DEATH. 260 00:19:00,965 --> 00:19:06,715 ALSO, THERE WAS DISCOLORATION OF HIS FACE 261 00:19:06,724 --> 00:19:10,554 BECAUSE IN THE AFTERMATH, THEY POURED ACID ON HIS FACE. 262 00:19:14,896 --> 00:19:16,446 WE GOT A CLEARER PICTURE 263 00:19:16,448 --> 00:19:20,308 OF JUST HOW HORRIFIC THE SITUATION HAD BEEN. 264 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:27,210 ♪♪ 265 00:19:27,206 --> 00:19:34,096 ♪♪ 266 00:19:34,103 --> 00:19:35,623 I DON'T REMEMBER BEING TOLD. 267 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:38,210 I KNOW I WAS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IT, 268 00:19:38,206 --> 00:19:40,136 PROBABLY BLOCKED IT OUT. 269 00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:49,137 ♪♪ 270 00:19:49,137 --> 00:19:55,307 WE HAD BEEN UP FOR SOMEWHERE AROUND A TOTAL OF 36 HOURS 271 00:19:55,310 --> 00:19:57,480 WHEN I HAD TO MEET GREG. 272 00:19:59,827 --> 00:20:03,447 I HAPPENED TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT 273 00:20:03,448 --> 00:20:09,658 AND JUST BASICALLY SAY, "I'M SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS." 274 00:20:12,344 --> 00:20:15,694 WHEN GREG LOOKS AT ME WITH BIG EYES, 275 00:20:15,689 --> 00:20:19,029 I KNEW INSTANTLY, BEFORE HE SAID ANYTHING, 276 00:20:19,034 --> 00:20:23,554 THAT HE HAD NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY, IF YOU WILL, NOTIFIED. 277 00:20:28,172 --> 00:20:31,592 I HAD THE IDEA THAT GREG HAD BEEN ADVISED 278 00:20:31,586 --> 00:20:34,546 OF THE FACT THAT HIS DAD WAS DEAD. 279 00:20:34,551 --> 00:20:39,621 ♪♪ 280 00:20:39,620 --> 00:20:41,620 IT'S JUST ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT I REMEMBER 281 00:20:41,620 --> 00:20:44,660 IN KIND OF THE FOG OF THAT 30th HOUR, 282 00:20:44,655 --> 00:20:47,995 SO TO SPEAK, THAT I FELT... 283 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 I FELT BAD ABOUT THAT. 284 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:56,380 ♪♪ 285 00:20:56,379 --> 00:20:58,239 Greg: THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I CAN'T REMEMBER. 286 00:20:58,241 --> 00:20:59,621 ABOUT THOSE TIMES, 287 00:20:59,620 --> 00:21:03,660 AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE I BLOCKED IT OUT OF MY MIND. 288 00:21:03,655 --> 00:21:07,305 IT TAKES YOUR BREATH AWAY. 289 00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:09,450 IT TAKES YOUR HOPE AWAY. 290 00:21:09,448 --> 00:21:10,658 IT TAKES A LOT AWAY. 291 00:21:10,655 --> 00:21:12,925 IT TAKES YOUR DAD AWAY. 292 00:21:16,793 --> 00:21:19,483 EVERYTHING JUST BECOMES NUMB. 293 00:21:19,482 --> 00:21:22,692 YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK, DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 294 00:21:22,689 --> 00:21:29,689 ♪♪ 295 00:21:29,689 --> 00:21:34,829 YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT AT ALL. 296 00:21:34,827 --> 00:21:43,857 ♪♪ 297 00:21:43,862 --> 00:21:52,972 ♪♪ 298 00:21:52,965 --> 00:21:55,965 I WALKED BY MY OFFICE, GRABBED A LARGE BINDER 299 00:21:55,965 --> 00:22:03,135 THAT WAS ABOUT 3 INCHES THICK FROM ANOTHER CASE, 300 00:22:03,137 --> 00:22:09,897 WALKED INTO THE ROOM, SLAMMED THE BINDER DOWN ON THE DESK 301 00:22:09,896 --> 00:22:13,236 AND SAID, "BARBARA, WE KNOW JERRY'S DEAD. 302 00:22:13,241 --> 00:22:15,481 YOU NEED TO TELL US WHAT HAPPENED." 303 00:22:18,241 --> 00:22:22,791 IT WAS RELATIVELY EASY TO GET THE TRUTH FROM HER. 304 00:22:24,827 --> 00:22:27,967 BARBARA DID PAINT A NEGATIVE PICTURE OF JERRY. 305 00:22:27,965 --> 00:22:31,995 SHE SAID THAT HE WAS VERBALLY ABUSIVE. 306 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,620 ♪♪ 307 00:22:59,172 --> 00:23:05,412 ♪♪ 308 00:23:05,413 --> 00:23:11,593 ♪♪ 309 00:23:57,482 --> 00:24:02,342 I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED LISTENING TO THAT. 310 00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:04,074 I DON'T BELIEVE HER. 311 00:24:04,068 --> 00:24:06,758 I THINK SHE'S A LIAR. 312 00:24:06,758 --> 00:24:11,068 SHE'S MISLEADING EVERYBODY, 313 00:24:11,068 --> 00:24:13,998 ALL THE AUTHORITIES AND ALL THE DETECTIVES. 314 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,410 I THINK SHE WANTED TO HAVE THE BLAME ON SOMEBODY ELSE. 315 00:24:19,413 --> 00:24:22,413 I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER KNOW THE TRUTH. 316 00:24:27,827 --> 00:24:37,137 ♪♪ 317 00:24:37,137 --> 00:24:40,067 Greg: I'M DOWN IN THE ROOM WITH DAD. 318 00:24:40,068 --> 00:24:44,168 THEY RECOMMENDED I NOT REMOVE THE SHEET THAT'S ON HIM 319 00:24:44,172 --> 00:24:48,312 BECAUSE HE'D BEEN OUT IN THE WOODS FOR SO MANY DAYS, 320 00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:51,790 SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT HIM. 321 00:24:51,793 --> 00:24:55,693 YOU CAN TOUCH HIS HAND THROUGH THE SHEET. 322 00:24:55,689 --> 00:24:58,899 THAT'S ABOUT ALL YOU CAN DO, AND YOU SAY GOODBYE. 323 00:24:58,896 --> 00:25:03,376 "I LOVE YOU, DAD." 324 00:25:06,137 --> 00:25:09,277 "I'M SORRY I WASN'T THERE TO TAKE CARE OF YOU." 325 00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:18,785 ♪♪ 326 00:25:18,793 --> 00:25:28,383 ♪♪ 327 00:25:28,379 --> 00:25:31,549 Peterson: I DIDN'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT IT HAD EVEN HAPPENED. 328 00:25:31,551 --> 00:25:34,311 I WANTED TO GET HIM OUT OF THERE 329 00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:37,030 BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT WAS TRUE. 330 00:25:39,517 --> 00:25:43,547 THE FIRST VISIT WITH JEFF, 331 00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:48,241 IT WAS HARD TO SEE HIM WHERE HE WAS, 332 00:25:48,241 --> 00:25:50,721 NOT BEING ABLE TO GIVE HIM A HUG. 333 00:25:53,793 --> 00:25:57,763 I BROKE DOWN. 334 00:25:57,758 --> 00:26:00,658 I DID WANT TO KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT HAPPENED 335 00:26:00,655 --> 00:26:04,445 AND WHY JEFF WAS INVOLVED IN THIS MURDER, 336 00:26:04,448 --> 00:26:10,718 AND I WANTED TO ASK JEFF HIMSELF AND GO FROM THERE. 337 00:26:14,137 --> 00:26:19,277 I BELIEVE I DID ASK JEFF ABOUT HIS INVOLVEMENT 338 00:26:19,275 --> 00:26:23,025 AND THAT'S WHEN JEFF TOLD ME, HE GOES, 339 00:26:23,034 --> 00:26:26,934 "MOM, I WAS THERE." 340 00:26:26,931 --> 00:26:29,411 I'M SORRY. 341 00:26:29,413 --> 00:26:35,243 ♪♪ 342 00:26:35,241 --> 00:26:41,031 ♪♪ 343 00:26:41,034 --> 00:26:43,624 I NEED SOME HELP. 344 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:46,070 YOU'VE GOT FRIENDS, RIGHT? 345 00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:32,864 IT'LL BE WORTH IT LATER. 346 00:27:35,206 --> 00:27:42,066 ♪♪ 347 00:27:42,068 --> 00:27:48,968 ♪♪ 348 00:28:17,655 --> 00:28:24,615 ♪♪ 349 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:31,620 ♪♪ 350 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:38,620 ♪♪ 351 00:29:27,034 --> 00:29:31,724 COME ON, LADIES. GET UP THERE. 352 00:29:31,724 --> 00:29:35,834 GO UP THERE AND HELP JEFF! GET UP THERE! 353 00:29:48,241 --> 00:29:50,861 GET HIM TO SHUT UP ALREADY! 354 00:29:50,862 --> 00:29:56,552 ♪♪ 355 00:30:04,896 --> 00:30:13,376 ♪♪ 356 00:30:13,379 --> 00:30:21,859 ♪♪ 357 00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:23,312 Fortin: THEY WERE DISTRESSED. 358 00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:28,340 THEY WERE IN TEARS, AND BARBARA CHIDED THEM TO, 359 00:30:28,344 --> 00:30:30,624 "FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED." 360 00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:34,410 SHE WAS THE CHEERLEADER. 361 00:30:34,413 --> 00:30:35,863 EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE PERPETRATORS, 362 00:30:35,862 --> 00:30:37,972 AND THEY'RE DOING IT, IT MUST SEEM TO SURREAL TO THEM. 363 00:30:37,965 --> 00:30:39,925 AT TIMES, IT WOULD ONLY SEEM NATURAL 364 00:30:39,931 --> 00:30:42,621 THAT THEY WOULD GET SECOND THOUGHTS, 365 00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:46,380 BUT SHE WAS THE MOTIVATOR TO GET THEM BACK 366 00:30:46,379 --> 00:30:50,519 INTO THE ASSAULT MODE DURING THOSE TIMES OF HESITATION. 367 00:30:50,517 --> 00:30:58,897 ♪♪ 368 00:30:58,896 --> 00:31:01,546 DURING THE ENTIRE ASSAULT ON JERRY, 369 00:31:01,551 --> 00:31:04,071 THE 7-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND THE 11-YEAR-OLD SON 370 00:31:04,068 --> 00:31:11,928 WERE DOWNSTAIRS LISTENING TO THIS WHOLE THING GO DOWN, 371 00:31:11,931 --> 00:31:16,901 AND ONE CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE SOUNDS THAT THEY HEARD. 372 00:31:16,896 --> 00:31:21,446 [ MUFFLED THUMPING AND YELLING ] 373 00:31:21,448 --> 00:31:28,588 ♪♪ 374 00:31:28,586 --> 00:31:31,516 NONE OF THESE JUVENILES HAD ANY KIND OF CRIMINAL HISTORY, 375 00:31:31,517 --> 00:31:34,407 AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CURIOUS THINGS ABOUT, 376 00:31:34,413 --> 00:31:37,903 YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS HOW YOUNG, 377 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:41,336 INNOCENT THESE KIDS WERE. 378 00:31:41,344 --> 00:31:47,694 BARBARA PROMISED HEATHER A BICYCLE, 379 00:31:47,689 --> 00:31:51,999 PROMISED OTHERS SMALL AMOUNTS OF CASH. 380 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,720 BARBARA ALLOWED JEFF TO HAVE SEX WITH HEATHER. 381 00:31:57,724 --> 00:32:01,214 SHE WAS JUST A MASTER MANIPULATOR 382 00:32:01,206 --> 00:32:03,336 OF YOUNG, VULNERABLE KIDS 383 00:32:03,344 --> 00:32:08,284 AND WAS ABLE SOMEHOW TO PULL THIS OFF. 384 00:32:08,275 --> 00:32:10,965 WELL, I THINK TO DESCRIBE BARBARA 385 00:32:10,965 --> 00:32:15,165 AS HAVING HER OWN LITTLE CULT IS VERY ACCURATE, 386 00:32:15,172 --> 00:32:17,762 BUT IN BARBARA'S CONVOLUTED MIND, 387 00:32:17,758 --> 00:32:21,028 SHE THOUGHT THAT ONCE JERRY WAS DEAD, 388 00:32:21,034 --> 00:32:26,144 SHE WOULD HAVE UNRESTRAINED ACCESS TO HIS MONEY. 389 00:32:26,137 --> 00:32:28,967 Anchorwoman: PROSECUTORS SAY THE MOTIVE HERE IS SIMPLE... 390 00:32:28,965 --> 00:32:32,305 OPEL KNEW WHERE THE VICTIM HAD STASHED $40,000. 391 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:35,760 WHAT POLICE AND PROSECUTORS SAY THEY CAN'T YET EXPLAIN 392 00:32:35,758 --> 00:32:39,588 IS WHY SHE WOULD EXPOSE YOUNG CHILDREN TO BLOODY, 393 00:32:39,586 --> 00:32:41,406 BRUTAL MURDER. 394 00:32:47,275 --> 00:32:50,825 YES, BECAUSE OF THE MEMORIES OF IT. 395 00:32:50,827 --> 00:32:53,827 Anchorwoman: GROTE WAS PROMISED A CAR AND SOME CLOTHING. 396 00:32:53,827 --> 00:32:56,407 ACCORDING TO COURT DOCUMENTS, TEENS, INCLUDING 397 00:32:56,413 --> 00:32:58,343 OPEL'S 14-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, 398 00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:03,834 WERE TO BE PAID $200 TO $300 TO HELP KILL HEIMANN. 399 00:33:03,827 --> 00:33:05,517 THE STATEMENT MAKES SENSE, 400 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:12,307 BUT AS FAR AS JEFF'S INVOLVEMENT, 401 00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:18,660 I DON'T SEE HOW HE LOWERED HIMSELF... 402 00:33:18,655 --> 00:33:20,655 I... 403 00:33:20,655 --> 00:33:23,095 THAT'S A PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 404 00:33:27,206 --> 00:33:32,656 ♪♪ 405 00:33:32,655 --> 00:33:35,095 Anchorwoman: BARBARA OPEL IS ACCUSED OF THE UNTHINKABLE... 406 00:33:35,103 --> 00:33:37,793 RECRUITING HER OWN KIDS TO KILL. 407 00:33:37,793 --> 00:33:40,313 SHE PLANNED THE MURDER OF AN INNOCENT MAN, 408 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:42,340 DESTROYED THE LIVES OF KIDS 409 00:33:42,344 --> 00:33:46,764 AND ABANDONED THE 89-YEAR-OLD WOMAN SHE WAS CARING FOR. 410 00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:49,858 SHE'S A VERY EVIL PERSON. SHE RUINED A LOT OF LIVES. 411 00:33:49,862 --> 00:33:54,412 ALL THOSE KIDS, OUR FAMILIES, 412 00:33:54,413 --> 00:33:56,383 NONE OF US WILL EVER GET OVER IT. 413 00:34:00,551 --> 00:34:08,341 SHE HAD THIS EVIL IN HER, AND YOU COULD SEE IT IN HER. 414 00:34:13,068 --> 00:34:15,518 THE DEFENSE LAWYERS TRIED TO PAINT DAD 415 00:34:15,517 --> 00:34:18,757 AS AN ABUSIVE, MEAN DRUNK. 416 00:34:18,758 --> 00:34:21,658 I GUESS I FELT THAT FOR THE PAIN THAT WAS CAUSED TO 417 00:34:21,655 --> 00:34:23,685 HEATHER THAT HE DESERVED IT. 418 00:34:23,689 --> 00:34:28,789 THE LAWYERS AND BARBARA SHOULD ROT IN HELL 419 00:34:28,793 --> 00:34:30,243 FOR TRYING TO DO THAT, 420 00:34:30,241 --> 00:34:34,791 RUIN SOMEBODY'S REPUTATION THAT THEY MURDERED. 421 00:34:34,793 --> 00:34:38,593 DAD HAD BROUGHT THIS FAMILY INTO HIS HOUSE, 422 00:34:38,586 --> 00:34:40,966 LET THEM LIVE UNDER HIS ROOF 423 00:34:40,965 --> 00:34:43,405 AND BUYING THE FOOD AND PAYING THEM, 424 00:34:43,413 --> 00:34:44,863 SO HE KNEW ALL THESE KIDS, 425 00:34:44,862 --> 00:34:49,002 BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO KILL HIM, 426 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,550 WHY THEY WERE HITTING HIM WITH A BAT, 427 00:34:50,551 --> 00:34:53,661 WHY THEY WERE STABBING HIM. 428 00:34:53,655 --> 00:34:58,445 ALL HE COULD THINK TO SAY WAS, "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? WHY?" 429 00:35:00,482 --> 00:35:03,592 DAD HAD A LITTLE MONEY IN THE BANK, AND SHE WANTED IT. 430 00:35:03,586 --> 00:35:10,926 ♪♪ 431 00:35:10,931 --> 00:35:18,281 ♪♪ 432 00:35:18,275 --> 00:35:20,545 TRYING TO COPE WITH WHAT HAPPENED, 433 00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:25,451 THERE'S A LOT OF PAIN, A LOT OF HEARTACHE, ANGUISH, 434 00:35:25,448 --> 00:35:27,098 SO YOU TURN TO WHATEVER HELPS YOU. 435 00:35:27,103 --> 00:35:31,553 IN MY CASE, ALCOHOL. 436 00:35:31,551 --> 00:35:34,831 I DESTROYED MY LIFE AS IT WAS. 437 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:40,210 I ALLOWED IT TO GET TO ME TOO MUCH, 438 00:35:40,206 --> 00:35:44,096 I GUESS, IS WHAT HAPPENED. 439 00:35:44,103 --> 00:35:46,453 I SPLIT UP WITH MY EX-WIFE, 440 00:35:46,448 --> 00:35:49,478 AND ALL I DID WAS JUST IDLE BY FOR A LOT OF YEARS. 441 00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:52,482 AFTER A WHILE, YOU'RE ABLE TO COPE WITHOUT THE ALCOHOL, 442 00:35:52,482 --> 00:35:56,072 SO YOU COPE WITH IT, AND YOU LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT, 443 00:35:56,068 --> 00:35:58,238 BUT YOU NEVER GET OVER IT. 444 00:35:58,241 --> 00:36:04,001 ♪♪ 445 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,690 ♪♪ 446 00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:13,549 JERRY WAS, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, LOVING OF THE KIDS. 447 00:36:13,551 --> 00:36:14,761 HE LOVED THE KIDS. 448 00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:17,338 HE TREATED THEM ACCORDINGLY. 449 00:36:17,344 --> 00:36:20,794 BY ALL WITNESSES, BY ALL NEIGHBORS, 450 00:36:20,793 --> 00:36:23,693 IN TALKING TO HIS SON AND CONVERSATIONS 451 00:36:23,689 --> 00:36:26,279 HE HAD HAD WITH HIS DAD PREVIOUSLY ABOUT BARBARA, 452 00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:29,235 HE WAS JUST A GREAT GUY. 453 00:36:33,827 --> 00:36:37,167 THERE IS NO EXPLAINING THE UNEXPLAINABLE SOMETIMES. 454 00:36:37,172 --> 00:36:40,282 WHAT IS INCONCEIVABLE TO US OBVIOUSLY 455 00:36:40,275 --> 00:36:42,855 WAS VERY CONCEIVABLE TO BARBARA, 456 00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:47,142 AND THE CRUX OF THE ENTIRE STORY 457 00:36:47,137 --> 00:36:52,167 AND HOW UNUSUAL IT WAS WAS THESE INNOCENT YOUNG KIDS 458 00:36:52,172 --> 00:36:55,552 BEING TALKED INTO COMMITTING SUCH A HORRIFIC CRIME. 459 00:36:58,379 --> 00:37:01,689 THIS IS FROM PAGE ONE OF EVERETT POLICE WITNESS STATEMENT 460 00:37:01,689 --> 00:37:04,239 BY HEATHER OPEL. 461 00:37:04,241 --> 00:37:08,071 "ALL I DID IN THIS WAS STAB JERRY TWICE IN THE SAME SPOT 462 00:37:08,068 --> 00:37:11,138 ON HIS LEFT SIDE OF HIS STOMACH. 463 00:37:11,137 --> 00:37:15,617 I ALSO HELPED CLEAN UP THE BLOOD THAT WAS ALL OVER IN THE WALLS 464 00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:17,550 AND ON THE FLOOR. 465 00:37:17,551 --> 00:37:19,341 WHEN WE WENT TO DUMP THE BODY, 466 00:37:19,344 --> 00:37:24,244 ALL I DID WAS THROW MY BAT THAT WE KILLED JERRY 467 00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:28,411 "WITH INTO THE WOODS AND GOT BACK INTO THE CAR." 468 00:37:30,965 --> 00:37:34,445 HEATHER, TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN EVERYTHING I READ AND HEARD, 469 00:37:34,448 --> 00:37:38,898 I SAW NOTHING THAT REALLY EXPRESSED REMORSE. 470 00:37:38,896 --> 00:37:41,336 I DO THINK IN HER MIND THAT IT WAS JUSTIFIED, 471 00:37:41,344 --> 00:37:44,314 AND I DO THINK SHE WAS TOTALLY BRAINWASHED BY HER MOTHER, 472 00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:49,450 AND I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE DID THAT AND MORE IF TOLD TO. 473 00:37:49,448 --> 00:37:52,618 I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A CRIME LIKE THIS PRIOR, 474 00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:57,790 AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE SUBSEQUENTLY LIKE THIS ONE. 475 00:37:57,793 --> 00:38:00,483 EVERYONE IS A VICTIM HERE. 476 00:38:00,482 --> 00:38:08,412 ♪♪ 477 00:38:08,413 --> 00:38:16,343 ♪♪ 478 00:38:16,344 --> 00:38:24,284 ♪♪ 479 00:38:24,275 --> 00:38:30,855 MY SON WAS IN JAIL FOR MURDER. 480 00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:33,242 THAT'S THE DAY I LOST MY SON. 481 00:38:33,241 --> 00:38:39,381 ♪♪ 482 00:38:39,379 --> 00:38:43,279 I FEEL GUILTY BECAUSE MAYBE I WASN'T THERE ENOUGH FOR JEFF. 483 00:38:43,275 --> 00:38:46,825 YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS IN YOUR OWN MIND 484 00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:50,997 OF WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE AND COULD HAVE DONE, AND... 485 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:58,860 ♪♪ 486 00:38:58,862 --> 00:39:03,692 I'M HOPING SOMEDAY MY SON COULD TELL ME THE TRUTH 487 00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:05,309 OR TELL ME THE STORY, 488 00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:11,550 WHAT HIS INVOLVEMENT WAS IN IT, JUST TO EASE ME. 489 00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:31,240 JEFF SAID HE DID THAT? 490 00:39:35,517 --> 00:39:40,097 JEFF NEVER TOLD ME THAT HE DID THAT. 491 00:39:40,103 --> 00:39:44,523 I GUESS THAT'S WHY HE DOESN'T WANT TO... 492 00:39:44,517 --> 00:39:46,757 ME TO BE HURT AND UPSET. 493 00:39:46,758 --> 00:39:51,688 ♪♪ 494 00:39:56,689 --> 00:39:59,339 YES, JEFF WAS THERE. 495 00:39:59,344 --> 00:40:04,244 ♪♪ 496 00:40:04,241 --> 00:40:06,791 [ CELLPHONE RINGING ] 497 00:40:10,965 --> 00:40:13,235 HELLO? HOW ARE YOU? 498 00:40:13,241 --> 00:40:16,901 GROTE: Hey. I'm good, tired. 499 00:40:16,896 --> 00:40:18,826 YEAH? HOW WAS YOUR WORKOUT? 500 00:40:18,827 --> 00:40:19,967 Good. 501 00:40:19,965 --> 00:40:22,275 HE CALLS ME THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK, 502 00:40:22,275 --> 00:40:31,405 AND WE CHIT-CHAT ALL THE TIME ON THE PHONE, AND... 503 00:40:31,413 --> 00:40:37,483 I MISS OUR CONNECTION, HUGS AND DOING STUFF TOGETHER, 504 00:40:37,482 --> 00:40:40,902 BUT I STILL HURT FROM IT, 505 00:40:40,896 --> 00:40:45,336 AND I PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL UNTIL HE'S PHYSICALLY OUT. 506 00:40:45,344 --> 00:40:50,794 ♪♪ 507 00:40:50,793 --> 00:40:52,003 All right. 508 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,380 - ALL RIGHT. - See you Monday? 509 00:40:53,379 --> 00:40:55,209 - YEP, YOU'LL SEE ME MONDAY. - All right. 510 00:40:55,206 --> 00:40:56,786 - ALL RIGHT. I LOVE... - I love you. 511 00:40:56,793 --> 00:40:59,833 I LOVE YOU, TOO. BYE-BYE. 512 00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:05,760 RIGHT NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME IS HIS RELEASE. 513 00:41:05,758 --> 00:41:10,068 I BELIEVE JEFF DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE. 514 00:41:10,068 --> 00:41:12,858 THAT LAST DAY, WHEN JEFF IS RELEASED, 515 00:41:12,862 --> 00:41:15,622 WILL BE... 516 00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:23,030 ♪♪ 517 00:41:23,034 --> 00:41:27,764 ...PROBABLY ONE OF THE HAPPIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE, 518 00:41:27,758 --> 00:41:32,478 AND I'M SURE IT'LL BE ONE OF HIS HAPPIEST DAYS. 519 00:41:49,034 --> 00:41:58,974 ♪♪ 520 00:41:58,965 --> 00:42:01,965 Greg: REDEMPTION CAN BE HAD FOR A LOT OF THINGS, 521 00:42:01,965 --> 00:42:06,135 BUT I WOULD NOT CALL THIS ONE OF THEM. 522 00:42:06,137 --> 00:42:07,587 NO ONE DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE 523 00:42:07,586 --> 00:42:10,406 AFTER DOING THAT TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. 524 00:42:10,413 --> 00:42:13,173 DEATH PENALTY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER 525 00:42:13,172 --> 00:42:15,212 BECAUSE THEY WOULD FEEL THE FEAR THAT DAD FELT 526 00:42:15,206 --> 00:42:18,966 WHEN HE WAS BEING MURDERED, 527 00:42:18,965 --> 00:42:23,545 AND I'D LIKED TO HAD THEM FEEL THAT KIND OF FEAR. 528 00:42:23,551 --> 00:42:27,211 HE WAS A GOOD MAN WITH A GOOD HEART. 529 00:42:27,206 --> 00:42:29,306 I MISS HIM A LOT.