1 00:00:01,586 --> 00:00:03,296 - [roaring] - Monsters... 2 00:00:03,338 --> 00:00:04,714 [birds screeching] 3 00:00:04,756 --> 00:00:06,674 [creatures growling, roaring] 4 00:00:07,842 --> 00:00:10,345 - Are metaphors. - I don't think you appreciate 5 00:00:10,386 --> 00:00:12,847 the gut reaction people have to these things. 6 00:00:12,889 --> 00:00:15,642 They do represent a lot of our deeper 7 00:00:15,683 --> 00:00:17,352 psychological fears. 8 00:00:17,393 --> 00:00:20,104 - [children screaming] - Pennywise is a manifestation 9 00:00:20,146 --> 00:00:21,606 of evil. 10 00:00:21,648 --> 00:00:23,983 He's made of fantasies and the creators 11 00:00:24,025 --> 00:00:26,110 - are children. - When people ask me, 12 00:00:26,152 --> 00:00:28,655 "What are the ones that are your favorite movies?" 13 00:00:28,696 --> 00:00:31,115 I always mention "Cujo." 14 00:00:31,157 --> 00:00:32,992 It's a really intense 15 00:00:33,034 --> 00:00:35,036 - go-for-the-throat film. - [screaming] 16 00:00:35,078 --> 00:00:37,288 [Cujo growling] 17 00:00:37,330 --> 00:00:39,040 I loved "Gremlins." 18 00:00:39,082 --> 00:00:41,167 The Jekyll-and-Hyde component 19 00:00:41,209 --> 00:00:43,753 of these little cute characters and that they turn into 20 00:00:43,795 --> 00:00:46,005 - these crazy monsters... - [cackling] 21 00:00:46,047 --> 00:00:48,341 - I mean, the Gremlins are us. - [snarling] 22 00:00:48,383 --> 00:00:49,383 [gunshot] 23 00:00:49,384 --> 00:00:50,760 Clear. 24 00:00:50,802 --> 00:00:52,345 - [screams] - My favorite of all time 25 00:00:52,387 --> 00:00:53,888 is John Carpenter's "The Thing." 26 00:00:53,930 --> 00:00:56,558 - [roaring] - [snarling] 27 00:00:56,599 --> 00:00:58,810 "American Werewolf in London," "The Howling"... 28 00:00:58,851 --> 00:01:00,562 those movies were really 29 00:01:00,603 --> 00:01:02,772 the age of make-up effects. 30 00:01:02,814 --> 00:01:04,315 - [snarling] - Werewolves will kick 31 00:01:04,357 --> 00:01:06,526 - vampires' ass any day. - There is a lot 32 00:01:06,568 --> 00:01:07,777 to fear in nature. 33 00:01:07,819 --> 00:01:09,571 [bird squawking] 34 00:01:09,612 --> 00:01:11,322 The natural world is turning on us 35 00:01:11,364 --> 00:01:13,449 'cause we have mistreated it in some way. 36 00:01:13,491 --> 00:01:16,452 [sinister music] 37 00:01:16,494 --> 00:01:17,829 ♪♪ 38 00:01:17,870 --> 00:01:19,872 "Jaws," for me, was the one. 39 00:01:19,914 --> 00:01:21,183 That was the one that terrified me. 40 00:01:21,207 --> 00:01:23,001 [swimmers screaming] 41 00:01:23,042 --> 00:01:25,545 [screaming] 42 00:01:25,587 --> 00:01:26,921 That's a monster. 43 00:01:26,963 --> 00:01:29,674 - That's a true monster. - [roaring] 44 00:01:29,716 --> 00:01:32,677 [sinister music] 45 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:39,642 ♪♪ 46 00:01:49,777 --> 00:01:51,738 [chainsaw revving] 47 00:01:51,779 --> 00:01:55,575 ♪♪ 48 00:01:55,617 --> 00:01:58,161 Monsters hold a special place 49 00:01:58,202 --> 00:01:59,662 in the history of horror. 50 00:01:59,704 --> 00:02:01,789 The killer predators in nature... 51 00:02:01,831 --> 00:02:03,833 [screaming] 52 00:02:03,875 --> 00:02:06,461 The nightmare creatures of the fantastic, 53 00:02:06,502 --> 00:02:08,713 and the monsters inside us 54 00:02:08,755 --> 00:02:10,256 waiting to escape. 55 00:02:10,298 --> 00:02:12,383 - [snarling] - They can be frightening, 56 00:02:12,425 --> 00:02:14,093 or fun, or both. 57 00:02:14,135 --> 00:02:16,262 [cookies chittering, laughing] 58 00:02:16,304 --> 00:02:18,723 Whatever their size or shape, 59 00:02:18,765 --> 00:02:21,601 whether they're humanoid or utterly alien, 60 00:02:21,643 --> 00:02:24,395 monsters are reflections of ourselves. 61 00:02:24,437 --> 00:02:27,148 - [whimpering] - They do represent a lot 62 00:02:27,190 --> 00:02:30,193 of our deeper psychological fears. 63 00:02:30,234 --> 00:02:33,363 We sort of design them to represent everything 64 00:02:33,404 --> 00:02:35,782 that we feel is ugly about ourselves. 65 00:02:35,823 --> 00:02:37,325 [sinister music] 66 00:02:37,367 --> 00:02:39,952 - Time to float. - [wheezing] 67 00:02:39,994 --> 00:02:42,246 - [hyperventilating] - The latest addition 68 00:02:42,288 --> 00:02:45,166 to the monster hall of fame is Pennywise the clown, 69 00:02:45,208 --> 00:02:46,751 the killer creature at the heart 70 00:02:46,793 --> 00:02:49,587 of the 2017 blockbuster, 71 00:02:49,629 --> 00:02:51,422 "It." 72 00:02:51,464 --> 00:02:53,341 Based on the 1986 novel 73 00:02:53,383 --> 00:02:55,677 by legendary horror writer Stephen King, 74 00:02:55,718 --> 00:02:58,971 "It" tells the story of seven young outcasts 75 00:02:59,013 --> 00:03:00,682 in Derry, Maine. 76 00:03:00,723 --> 00:03:02,975 They battle an ancient evil that emerges 77 00:03:03,017 --> 00:03:06,145 every 27 years to kill the town's children. 78 00:03:06,187 --> 00:03:08,731 Some of the greatest horror films of all time 79 00:03:08,773 --> 00:03:11,109 all sprang from the literary works 80 00:03:11,150 --> 00:03:12,694 of Stephen King. 81 00:03:12,735 --> 00:03:15,196 He has the most vivid imagination, 82 00:03:15,238 --> 00:03:17,573 and he takes you to the strangest places, 83 00:03:17,615 --> 00:03:20,535 but the anchor is always 84 00:03:20,576 --> 00:03:23,538 the... the human emotion. 85 00:03:23,579 --> 00:03:26,874 Uh, without that it's not King. 86 00:03:26,916 --> 00:03:30,128 I s... saw something too. 87 00:03:30,169 --> 00:03:32,004 I remember the summer the book came out, 88 00:03:32,046 --> 00:03:33,631 everyone was reading it. 89 00:03:33,673 --> 00:03:35,550 We all had our, like, copies of "It," this big, 90 00:03:35,591 --> 00:03:36,968 no matter where we were. 91 00:03:37,009 --> 00:03:39,053 Do you enjoy watching adaptations, or... 92 00:03:39,095 --> 00:03:41,222 - or is it... has it evolved? - Sure, yeah. 93 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:43,349 No, I... I like to watch adaptations 94 00:03:43,391 --> 00:03:46,102 and, uh, I'm always interested 95 00:03:46,144 --> 00:03:49,063 to see what people do with the stuff. 96 00:03:49,105 --> 00:03:51,107 - [screaming] - It's perfect. 97 00:03:51,149 --> 00:03:53,735 It was a mainstream movie that was rated "R." 98 00:03:53,776 --> 00:03:56,612 It played like a family film. Everyone... again, it became 99 00:03:56,654 --> 00:03:58,573 the movie you were dared to see. 100 00:03:58,614 --> 00:04:01,868 It grossed $700 million worldwide. 101 00:04:01,909 --> 00:04:04,787 And not only that, it was a good film. 102 00:04:04,829 --> 00:04:06,330 [sinister music] 103 00:04:06,372 --> 00:04:08,499 Beep beep, Richie. 104 00:04:10,042 --> 00:04:12,545 I wanted to be true to the spirit of... 105 00:04:12,587 --> 00:04:14,130 of the story and the characters. 106 00:04:14,172 --> 00:04:16,632 The first goal was to... to make it different 107 00:04:16,674 --> 00:04:19,719 from... from Tim Curry interpretation... 108 00:04:19,761 --> 00:04:21,429 - Beep beep, Richie. - I felt that 109 00:04:21,471 --> 00:04:23,890 there was something about Pennywise that... 110 00:04:23,931 --> 00:04:25,850 that wasn't covered there. 111 00:04:25,892 --> 00:04:27,477 - Bill! - [snarling] 112 00:04:27,518 --> 00:04:29,896 I also wanted to bring a weird balance 113 00:04:29,937 --> 00:04:32,482 of... of a monster and a child. 114 00:04:32,523 --> 00:04:35,568 If you see the... the design of the monster, 115 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:37,403 he has, like, child-like features. 116 00:04:37,445 --> 00:04:38,946 He's like roundy face and... 117 00:04:38,988 --> 00:04:40,531 and, you know, the bucky teeth. 118 00:04:40,573 --> 00:04:42,617 And one of the things that I consider important 119 00:04:42,658 --> 00:04:45,411 is that one of his eyes would be, uh, strabismic, 120 00:04:45,453 --> 00:04:48,247 - so it was pointing out. - I will take him. 121 00:04:48,289 --> 00:04:50,958 Only him. 122 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,836 Andy shot the [bleep] out of that movie. 123 00:04:53,878 --> 00:04:56,923 When Georgie is running down the gutter 124 00:04:56,964 --> 00:04:59,342 after the... the boat, 125 00:04:59,383 --> 00:05:01,219 it looks... 126 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:02,762 - like a real rain storm. - No! 127 00:05:02,804 --> 00:05:04,889 It doesn't look like a sunny day 128 00:05:04,931 --> 00:05:07,016 where people ran a rain machine. 129 00:05:07,058 --> 00:05:09,268 [sinister music] 130 00:05:09,310 --> 00:05:10,436 Um... 131 00:05:10,478 --> 00:05:12,605 I should get going now. 132 00:05:12,647 --> 00:05:13,898 Oh. 133 00:05:13,940 --> 00:05:16,442 Uh, without your boat? 134 00:05:16,484 --> 00:05:18,528 Opening is a masterpiece. 135 00:05:18,569 --> 00:05:20,655 There is a reason why it's, like, the scene that, 136 00:05:20,696 --> 00:05:22,865 you know, has created a thousand parodies... 137 00:05:22,907 --> 00:05:24,659 'cause it's that good. 138 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:27,245 ♪♪ 139 00:05:27,286 --> 00:05:29,330 [snarls] 140 00:05:29,372 --> 00:05:31,249 [screaming] 141 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:32,750 [wailing] 142 00:05:32,792 --> 00:05:34,252 Help! 143 00:05:34,293 --> 00:05:36,170 [wailing] 144 00:05:36,212 --> 00:05:37,964 Pennywise's creepy hand 145 00:05:38,005 --> 00:05:40,591 starts to stretch across the... the street... 146 00:05:40,633 --> 00:05:42,134 [screams] 147 00:05:42,176 --> 00:05:44,095 Billy! 148 00:05:45,137 --> 00:05:47,807 That is nightmare fuel. 149 00:05:47,849 --> 00:05:50,810 And what the director, Andy Muschietti, 150 00:05:50,852 --> 00:05:53,813 was able to do so well is maintain that nightmare fuel 151 00:05:53,855 --> 00:05:55,982 throughout the rest of the runtime. 152 00:05:56,023 --> 00:05:58,609 What the hell? Put the map back. 153 00:05:58,651 --> 00:05:59,819 Mm-mm. 154 00:05:59,861 --> 00:06:01,237 [projector clicks] 155 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,698 [clicking] 156 00:06:03,739 --> 00:06:05,950 The projection scene is one 157 00:06:05,992 --> 00:06:07,410 of the most impactful ones 158 00:06:07,451 --> 00:06:09,912 because it sets you up for something. 159 00:06:09,954 --> 00:06:11,873 [projector clicking] 160 00:06:11,914 --> 00:06:13,791 ♪♪ 161 00:06:13,833 --> 00:06:15,835 [all whimpering] 162 00:06:15,877 --> 00:06:19,297 ♪♪ 163 00:06:19,338 --> 00:06:22,216 And then it really surprises you. 164 00:06:22,258 --> 00:06:23,634 [hollers] [all scream] 165 00:06:23,676 --> 00:06:25,595 - [cackles] - Billy! 166 00:06:25,636 --> 00:06:28,431 [all screaming] 167 00:06:28,472 --> 00:06:31,100 It is really about the horrors of society. 168 00:06:31,142 --> 00:06:32,768 The scariest things in that book 169 00:06:32,810 --> 00:06:34,437 are not supernatural. 170 00:06:34,478 --> 00:06:36,731 The scariest things in that book are... 171 00:06:36,772 --> 00:06:38,149 racism. 172 00:06:38,190 --> 00:06:40,693 Stay the [bleep] out of my town! 173 00:06:40,735 --> 00:06:43,112 - Misogyny... - She'll do you. 174 00:06:43,154 --> 00:06:45,031 You just gotta ask nicely. 175 00:06:45,072 --> 00:06:46,532 And child abuse. 176 00:06:46,574 --> 00:06:49,493 Tell me you're still my little girl. 177 00:06:49,535 --> 00:06:51,370 Yes, Daddy. 178 00:06:51,412 --> 00:06:53,456 Beverly's sexual abuse 179 00:06:53,497 --> 00:06:56,042 by her father is shown to be 180 00:06:56,083 --> 00:06:57,585 very much connected, we know, 181 00:06:57,627 --> 00:07:00,046 with the external threats embodied by It. 182 00:07:00,087 --> 00:07:01,797 [snarls] 183 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,424 [eerie music] 184 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:05,259 Hey, Bevvie. 185 00:07:05,301 --> 00:07:07,345 - Are you still my little girl? - [screams] 186 00:07:07,386 --> 00:07:09,639 [gagging] 187 00:07:11,057 --> 00:07:13,100 But it also reminds us 188 00:07:13,142 --> 00:07:16,103 the most unimaginable, horrific things 189 00:07:16,145 --> 00:07:17,480 really do happen. 190 00:07:17,521 --> 00:07:19,482 Tasty, tasty, 191 00:07:19,523 --> 00:07:21,525 - beautiful fear. - [gasps, whimpers] 192 00:07:21,567 --> 00:07:24,320 Fears are never just imaginary. 193 00:07:24,362 --> 00:07:26,113 Hey! 194 00:07:26,155 --> 00:07:28,824 [dark music] 195 00:07:28,866 --> 00:07:30,326 Eddie! 196 00:07:30,368 --> 00:07:31,994 [whimpering] 197 00:07:32,036 --> 00:07:35,706 This isn't real enough for you, Billy? 198 00:07:35,748 --> 00:07:37,959 [high-pitched] I'm not real enough for you? 199 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,335 Oh... 200 00:07:39,377 --> 00:07:42,254 It was real enough for Georgie! 201 00:07:42,296 --> 00:07:43,881 [cackling] 202 00:07:43,923 --> 00:07:46,092 [roaring] 203 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:47,802 ♪♪ 204 00:07:47,843 --> 00:07:50,221 The clowns hate me. I just tell people, 205 00:07:50,262 --> 00:07:52,932 "Don't hate the messenger for the message." 206 00:07:52,974 --> 00:07:54,850 Kids are scared to death of clowns, 207 00:07:54,892 --> 00:07:58,104 and... and, you know, clowns are a natural disguise 208 00:07:58,145 --> 00:08:00,564 for monsters because you never know 209 00:08:00,606 --> 00:08:02,817 what's under that makeup. 210 00:08:02,858 --> 00:08:04,860 ♪♪ 211 00:08:04,902 --> 00:08:07,530 "It" gave us a monster drawn from our childhood fears... 212 00:08:07,571 --> 00:08:09,240 - [screams] - [roaring] 213 00:08:09,281 --> 00:08:11,450 But some creatures tap into different parts 214 00:08:11,492 --> 00:08:13,869 - of our brains. - You gotta be... 215 00:08:13,911 --> 00:08:15,955 - kidding. - Our dread that others 216 00:08:15,997 --> 00:08:17,873 - are not what they seem... - [roaring] 217 00:08:17,915 --> 00:08:20,126 - [all screaming] - And our secret desire 218 00:08:20,167 --> 00:08:22,420 to act upon our wildest impulses. 219 00:08:22,461 --> 00:08:24,714 [cackling] 220 00:08:28,467 --> 00:08:30,052 Why are monsters of the fantastic 221 00:08:30,094 --> 00:08:31,971 so popular? 222 00:08:32,013 --> 00:08:34,598 Perhaps it's because they can do anything they want. 223 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,184 Monsters don't have to follow the rules... 224 00:08:37,226 --> 00:08:39,311 That's why kids love them. 225 00:08:39,353 --> 00:08:42,857 Especially monsters who enjoy behaving badly. 226 00:08:42,898 --> 00:08:45,401 Monsters like gremlins. 227 00:08:45,443 --> 00:08:47,361 - You're kidding. - [whines] 228 00:08:47,403 --> 00:08:50,281 I loved "Gremlins" growing up. 229 00:08:50,322 --> 00:08:53,451 My parents took myself and my sister to see it. 230 00:08:53,492 --> 00:08:55,369 I think we were all expecting 231 00:08:55,411 --> 00:08:57,663 something along the lines of "E.T." 232 00:08:57,705 --> 00:08:59,248 I just call him Gizmo. 233 00:08:59,290 --> 00:09:01,042 He seems to like it. 234 00:09:01,083 --> 00:09:04,128 It had that Amblin-Spielberg presentation, 235 00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:06,213 but what nobody told you is that it turns into 236 00:09:06,255 --> 00:09:08,049 a balls-to-the-wall horror movie. 237 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:10,235 You know, there's some things I forgot to tell you guys, 238 00:09:10,259 --> 00:09:11,719 and they're really important. 239 00:09:11,761 --> 00:09:15,097 - Keep him away from water... - [screams] 240 00:09:15,139 --> 00:09:17,224 [shrieking] 241 00:09:17,266 --> 00:09:20,144 Don't ever feed him after midnight... 242 00:09:20,186 --> 00:09:21,896 [sinister music] 243 00:09:21,937 --> 00:09:24,231 I loved... I love that... that movie. 244 00:09:24,273 --> 00:09:26,317 The Jekyll-and-Hyde component 245 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:28,319 of these little cute characters 246 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,905 and that they turn into these crazy monsters. 247 00:09:30,946 --> 00:09:33,657 [cackling] 248 00:09:33,699 --> 00:09:35,326 [grunts, groans] 249 00:09:35,367 --> 00:09:38,245 I'll never forget the entire audience 250 00:09:38,287 --> 00:09:41,332 just leaping and screaming and applauding with it. 251 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:43,334 - [shrieking] - [screaming] 252 00:09:43,375 --> 00:09:45,002 ♪♪ 253 00:09:45,044 --> 00:09:46,921 And it was just so bizarre and so different 254 00:09:46,962 --> 00:09:48,857 than anything we had seen in the '80s up until then. 255 00:09:48,881 --> 00:09:50,883 [growls] 256 00:09:50,925 --> 00:09:52,468 [whining] 257 00:09:52,510 --> 00:09:54,762 That perfect mix of laughter and screaming. 258 00:09:54,804 --> 00:09:57,264 [gurgles] 259 00:09:57,306 --> 00:09:59,683 I've been criticized by certain studio executives 260 00:09:59,725 --> 00:10:01,852 over the years for... 261 00:10:01,894 --> 00:10:03,747 "Is this supposed to be a horror movie or a comedy?" 262 00:10:03,771 --> 00:10:06,398 And, um, I find the two genres 263 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,775 very closely aligned. 264 00:10:07,817 --> 00:10:09,443 [sneezes] 265 00:10:09,485 --> 00:10:11,403 I grew up on the James Whale films 266 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:14,990 and, uh, Whale's pictures were always mordantly comic. 267 00:10:15,032 --> 00:10:16,992 and he was not afraid to mix tones. 268 00:10:17,034 --> 00:10:19,495 They've asked for it, the country bumpkins. 269 00:10:19,537 --> 00:10:21,455 This will give them a bit of a shock. 270 00:10:21,497 --> 00:10:24,625 The Invisible Man... who is certifiably crazy... 271 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:26,460 does a lot of funny things. 272 00:10:26,502 --> 00:10:28,146 Uh, but then in the middle of doing something funny 273 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:30,965 - he'll kill somebody. - I think I'll throttle you. 274 00:10:31,006 --> 00:10:32,716 [gagging] Let go of me! 275 00:10:32,758 --> 00:10:34,358 Then all of a sudden your laugh catches 276 00:10:34,385 --> 00:10:35,928 in your throat. 277 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:37,721 That's always fascinated me, that dichotomy. 278 00:10:37,763 --> 00:10:39,348 [sinister music] 279 00:10:39,390 --> 00:10:40,933 Gremlins are us. 280 00:10:40,975 --> 00:10:43,936 The gremlins are the absolute worst aspects 281 00:10:43,978 --> 00:10:46,188 of humanity manifested 282 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:48,941 as these little reptilian, snarling, 283 00:10:48,983 --> 00:10:50,568 mischievous monsters. 284 00:10:50,609 --> 00:10:52,361 [shrieking] 285 00:10:54,113 --> 00:10:56,240 And that's what makes them so great. 286 00:10:56,282 --> 00:10:58,450 [screaming] 287 00:10:58,492 --> 00:11:00,286 [gremlins laughing] 288 00:11:00,327 --> 00:11:02,013 Especially in the scene where they're fighting 289 00:11:02,037 --> 00:11:04,039 with Phoebe Cates in the bar. 290 00:11:04,081 --> 00:11:05,791 It's like every single gremlin 291 00:11:05,833 --> 00:11:08,252 looks like someone you might see 292 00:11:08,294 --> 00:11:10,671 - in a seedy bar. - [laughing] 293 00:11:10,713 --> 00:11:12,339 [whistle blowing] 294 00:11:12,381 --> 00:11:14,109 The studio didn't really understand the movie. 295 00:11:14,133 --> 00:11:16,218 [babbling] 296 00:11:18,053 --> 00:11:20,848 [hollering] 297 00:11:20,890 --> 00:11:22,284 They didn't get it when they saw it, 298 00:11:22,308 --> 00:11:23,809 they didn't get it when it came out... 299 00:11:23,851 --> 00:11:25,728 they just were happy that it was making money. 300 00:11:25,769 --> 00:11:27,497 - [gremlins babbling] - Are moviegoers so desperate 301 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:29,356 for entertainment that this is the trash 302 00:11:29,398 --> 00:11:30,858 passed for fun? 303 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:32,484 Whoa! Wait a minute! [gremlins cackling] 304 00:11:32,526 --> 00:11:35,404 It was ripped off all over the place. 305 00:11:35,446 --> 00:11:37,990 "The Ghoulies" and "Critters"... 306 00:11:38,032 --> 00:11:39,658 and yes, I did "Critters 2." 307 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:41,243 Look at the size of their leader. 308 00:11:41,285 --> 00:11:43,120 [critters babbling] 309 00:11:43,162 --> 00:11:45,497 [growling] 310 00:11:45,539 --> 00:11:47,666 There were so many little creature movies... 311 00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:50,085 little puppet movies... because they were 312 00:11:50,127 --> 00:11:53,172 relatively cheap to make... unless you did them well. 313 00:11:53,214 --> 00:11:56,133 The first "Gremlins," I think, was $10 million, 314 00:11:56,175 --> 00:11:58,636 but the second one was $60 million. 315 00:11:58,677 --> 00:12:00,721 - [gremlins laughing] - Is everybody here? 316 00:12:00,763 --> 00:12:02,890 [all cheering] All right, then! 317 00:12:02,932 --> 00:12:04,391 [growling] 318 00:12:04,433 --> 00:12:06,560 - [shrieking] - [growling] 319 00:12:06,602 --> 00:12:09,230 To me, "Gremlins" was really great gateway horror. 320 00:12:09,271 --> 00:12:12,149 By gateway horror I'm referring to movies 321 00:12:12,191 --> 00:12:15,027 that are scary enough 322 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:16,946 for the whole family. 323 00:12:16,987 --> 00:12:19,406 [growling] 324 00:12:21,367 --> 00:12:24,328 I think it's good for kids to watch scary movies. 325 00:12:24,370 --> 00:12:26,038 - Omi! - [snarling] 326 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,249 [both screaming] 327 00:12:28,290 --> 00:12:30,000 [dramatic music] 328 00:12:30,042 --> 00:12:31,543 It makes you learn how 329 00:12:31,585 --> 00:12:33,295 to process fear 330 00:12:33,337 --> 00:12:35,631 on a physical and mental level. 331 00:12:35,673 --> 00:12:37,675 I think your kid will probably be more messed up 332 00:12:37,716 --> 00:12:39,385 if you don't show them anything scary 333 00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:40,779 'cause they won't be prepared for the real world, 334 00:12:40,803 --> 00:12:42,513 which is actually terrifying. 335 00:12:42,554 --> 00:12:45,057 [all laughing, chittering] 336 00:12:45,099 --> 00:12:47,226 If "Gremlins" is the lighter side 337 00:12:47,268 --> 00:12:48,560 of killer creatures, 338 00:12:48,602 --> 00:12:50,521 John Carpenter's "The Thing" 339 00:12:50,562 --> 00:12:52,481 is the darkest of the dark. 340 00:12:52,523 --> 00:12:54,233 [growling] 341 00:12:54,275 --> 00:12:56,068 The film's shape-shifters 342 00:12:56,110 --> 00:12:58,988 embody our most paranoid suspicions, 343 00:12:59,029 --> 00:13:00,990 that the people we know and trust 344 00:13:01,031 --> 00:13:03,117 are actually inhuman monsters. 345 00:13:03,158 --> 00:13:05,703 [roaring] 346 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,082 "The Thing" is about a remote outpost 347 00:13:10,124 --> 00:13:12,751 in Antarctica, and they find an alien in the ice. 348 00:13:12,793 --> 00:13:15,254 And what this alien winds up doing 349 00:13:15,296 --> 00:13:16,922 is it will... it will replicate 350 00:13:16,964 --> 00:13:18,799 anything it can see. 351 00:13:18,841 --> 00:13:21,093 It needs to be alone and in close proximity 352 00:13:21,135 --> 00:13:22,636 with the life-form to be absorbed. 353 00:13:22,678 --> 00:13:25,639 Slowly, it's knocking off... 354 00:13:25,681 --> 00:13:27,850 each cast member one by one. 355 00:13:27,891 --> 00:13:30,144 [roaring] 356 00:13:30,185 --> 00:13:32,604 By mid-film, you don't know who's who 357 00:13:32,646 --> 00:13:35,274 and they have to figure out who's The Thing 358 00:13:35,316 --> 00:13:36,650 so they can survive. 359 00:13:36,692 --> 00:13:38,235 The blood from one of you things 360 00:13:38,277 --> 00:13:41,113 won't obey when it's attacked. 361 00:13:41,155 --> 00:13:43,824 - It'll try and survive. - [screeches] 362 00:13:43,866 --> 00:13:45,826 [all screaming] 363 00:13:45,868 --> 00:13:48,495 - [growling] - The horror of sort of truism 364 00:13:48,537 --> 00:13:51,332 was things can be real good and scary 365 00:13:51,373 --> 00:13:53,167 until you see the monster, 366 00:13:53,208 --> 00:13:55,294 and, uh, Rob Bottin... the special effects guy... 367 00:13:55,336 --> 00:13:57,171 said, "Well, what if we show them 368 00:13:57,212 --> 00:13:59,340 the monster constantly?" 369 00:13:59,381 --> 00:14:01,050 But the trick is that the monster is 370 00:14:01,091 --> 00:14:02,801 a different monster every time. 371 00:14:02,843 --> 00:14:05,637 I mean, that's just brilliantly leaning into 372 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,265 - the problem. - [roaring] 373 00:14:08,307 --> 00:14:10,225 I took my girlfriend to see "The Thing," 374 00:14:10,267 --> 00:14:11,810 and she sat in the theater 375 00:14:11,852 --> 00:14:14,146 - almost vomiting in her hands... - [laughing] 376 00:14:14,188 --> 00:14:15,814 And was so angry at me. 377 00:14:15,856 --> 00:14:17,566 "Why would you take me to this movie?" 378 00:14:17,608 --> 00:14:19,669 It's so gory and it's so grotesque but, like, it's... 379 00:14:19,693 --> 00:14:21,945 it's amazing! What are you talking about? 380 00:14:21,987 --> 00:14:23,340 It's like the holy grail of horror movies. 381 00:14:23,364 --> 00:14:24,948 It's a perfect movie. 382 00:14:24,990 --> 00:14:27,159 [roaring] 383 00:14:27,201 --> 00:14:28,660 [sinister music] 384 00:14:28,702 --> 00:14:30,746 It's also an unparalleled, uh... 385 00:14:30,788 --> 00:14:32,831 of effects showcase. 386 00:14:32,873 --> 00:14:34,851 You know, we see these... these creatures that have 387 00:14:34,875 --> 00:14:37,753 no real form or structure but that come from 388 00:14:37,795 --> 00:14:40,839 the deepest nightmares that we could possibly fathom. 389 00:14:40,881 --> 00:14:42,132 [growling] 390 00:14:42,174 --> 00:14:44,051 [screaming] 391 00:14:44,093 --> 00:14:45,844 [crunching] 392 00:14:45,886 --> 00:14:48,263 "The Thing" and "Gremlins" are monsters drawn 393 00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:50,099 from our wildest fantasies. 394 00:14:50,140 --> 00:14:52,393 - Wait a minute. - You'll never run into 395 00:14:52,434 --> 00:14:54,395 - either one of them. - [growling] 396 00:14:54,436 --> 00:14:57,523 But some of the most terrifying movies ever made 397 00:14:57,564 --> 00:15:00,150 show us what might happen if everyday animals 398 00:15:00,192 --> 00:15:02,319 became killer creatures. 399 00:15:02,361 --> 00:15:04,446 [sinister music] 400 00:15:06,657 --> 00:15:09,201 - [Cujo growling] - Humans take their dominance 401 00:15:09,243 --> 00:15:11,161 over nature for granted. 402 00:15:11,203 --> 00:15:14,498 But what if other species rose up against us? 403 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:17,668 Animals we consider friendly or harmless. 404 00:15:17,709 --> 00:15:19,336 [birds calling] 405 00:15:19,378 --> 00:15:21,130 The fear of suddenly being at the bottom 406 00:15:21,171 --> 00:15:22,881 of the food chain is the premise 407 00:15:22,923 --> 00:15:25,467 of the first man versus nature horror film... 408 00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:26,927 [birds calling] 409 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:29,221 Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds." 410 00:15:29,263 --> 00:15:31,640 My name is Alfred Hitchcock. 411 00:15:31,682 --> 00:15:35,269 and I would like to tell you about my forthcoming lecture. 412 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:37,062 It is about the birds 413 00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:39,898 and their age-long relationship with man. 414 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:42,317 [birds squawking] 415 00:15:42,359 --> 00:15:44,653 Such a bizarre thought, 416 00:15:44,695 --> 00:15:46,864 that birds would attack us. 417 00:15:46,905 --> 00:15:48,657 To think of them all of a sudden 418 00:15:48,699 --> 00:15:50,159 banding together. 419 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,578 That you would have to be wary every time 420 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:55,706 you step out your door or get out of your car 421 00:15:55,747 --> 00:15:58,250 or whatever is a very frightening thought. 422 00:15:58,292 --> 00:16:00,294 "The Birds," at its heart, is a story 423 00:16:00,335 --> 00:16:03,005 of a woman who, uh, is intrigued by a man 424 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:05,215 and kind of wants to get at the man. 425 00:16:05,257 --> 00:16:07,134 Are those lovebirds? 426 00:16:07,176 --> 00:16:08,510 [birds chirping] 427 00:16:08,552 --> 00:16:11,472 No, those are, uh, redbirds. 428 00:16:11,513 --> 00:16:13,265 And the man is interested in the woman 429 00:16:13,307 --> 00:16:15,017 but is a little wary of her 430 00:16:15,058 --> 00:16:16,852 because she's not his perfect idea 431 00:16:16,894 --> 00:16:18,854 of what a woman should be. 432 00:16:18,896 --> 00:16:20,647 [birds calling] 433 00:16:20,689 --> 00:16:23,192 I think she was a woman who was sure of herself. 434 00:16:23,233 --> 00:16:25,402 I... I don't think she was impressed with herself. 435 00:16:25,444 --> 00:16:27,654 I just think she knew what she wanted 436 00:16:27,696 --> 00:16:30,824 and, um, how to get it. 437 00:16:30,866 --> 00:16:32,868 [motor putting] 438 00:16:32,910 --> 00:16:34,369 What I love about "The Birds" 439 00:16:34,411 --> 00:16:35,704 is there's no answer. 440 00:16:35,746 --> 00:16:37,706 [bird squawks] 441 00:16:37,748 --> 00:16:39,249 You never know why it's happening, 442 00:16:39,291 --> 00:16:41,011 and that makes it so incredibly frightening. 443 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:43,212 [children screaming] 444 00:16:43,253 --> 00:16:44,713 When you can explain horror, 445 00:16:44,755 --> 00:16:46,590 it loses its mystery 446 00:16:46,632 --> 00:16:48,926 and it ceases to become horrifying. 447 00:16:48,967 --> 00:16:50,427 [children singing indistinctly] 448 00:16:50,469 --> 00:16:53,680 To take what most people consider 449 00:16:53,722 --> 00:16:55,807 a pretty innocuous animal, like a... 450 00:16:55,849 --> 00:16:58,185 not an animal to be feared... 451 00:16:58,227 --> 00:16:59,728 ♪♪ 452 00:16:59,770 --> 00:17:01,772 And to turn it into something that terrifying 453 00:17:01,813 --> 00:17:04,107 that still really works... 454 00:17:04,149 --> 00:17:06,109 ♪♪ 455 00:17:06,151 --> 00:17:07,945 I mean, that scene when she turns around 456 00:17:07,986 --> 00:17:11,323 and they're all sitting there is terrifying. 457 00:17:11,365 --> 00:17:12,991 It would be terrifying 458 00:17:13,033 --> 00:17:15,619 for us to experience that in life. 459 00:17:19,331 --> 00:17:21,667 [birds calling] 460 00:17:23,293 --> 00:17:25,504 Hitchcock was one of the first... 461 00:17:25,546 --> 00:17:28,090 if not the first... live-action filmmaker 462 00:17:28,131 --> 00:17:31,093 to rely heavily on storyboards. 463 00:17:31,134 --> 00:17:34,137 [eerie music] 464 00:17:34,179 --> 00:17:37,057 And that's one reason why... 465 00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:39,309 his films are so effective, I think... 466 00:17:39,351 --> 00:17:41,895 because he didn't rely on 467 00:17:41,937 --> 00:17:45,691 happy accidents to make those scenes work. 468 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:47,985 He knew how they ought to be staged, 469 00:17:48,026 --> 00:17:49,987 how they ought to be cut. 470 00:17:50,028 --> 00:17:52,489 [children screaming] 471 00:17:53,407 --> 00:17:55,576 - Daddy! - I don't think that 472 00:17:55,617 --> 00:17:59,037 there is much that Alfred Hitchcock missed 473 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:01,456 in making his movies. 474 00:18:01,498 --> 00:18:04,501 I mean, they were made for his audience, 475 00:18:04,543 --> 00:18:07,379 and he knew his audiences well. 476 00:18:07,421 --> 00:18:09,214 [birds calling] 477 00:18:09,256 --> 00:18:10,858 That was just one of the most horrific things 478 00:18:10,882 --> 00:18:12,801 I had ever seen at that point. 479 00:18:12,843 --> 00:18:14,404 You couldn't walk the street for fear of being attacked. 480 00:18:14,428 --> 00:18:16,221 That just always stuck with me. 481 00:18:16,263 --> 00:18:18,265 [birds squawking] 482 00:18:26,565 --> 00:18:29,109 It was relentless and unforgiving. 483 00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:30,986 I was supposed to go up the stairs... 484 00:18:31,028 --> 00:18:33,155 and of course by that time my character had seen 485 00:18:33,196 --> 00:18:34,948 all of the destruction 486 00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:36,450 that the birds had caused... 487 00:18:36,491 --> 00:18:39,077 and I said to Alfred Hitchcock, 488 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,038 "Why would I go up there 489 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:43,040 "knowing what's going on? 490 00:18:43,081 --> 00:18:44,708 Why would I do that?" 491 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:46,293 And he said, 492 00:18:46,335 --> 00:18:49,880 "Because I tell you to." 493 00:18:49,921 --> 00:18:51,673 [whimpers] 494 00:18:51,715 --> 00:18:54,593 [dark music] 495 00:18:54,635 --> 00:18:56,696 At the beginning of the film, the Tippi Hedren character 496 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,348 is assertive, very sexual, 497 00:18:59,389 --> 00:19:00,849 very sure of herself. 498 00:19:00,891 --> 00:19:03,393 By the end of the film, uh, conservative forces 499 00:19:03,435 --> 00:19:05,103 from without reduce her 500 00:19:05,145 --> 00:19:07,898 to a sort of wordless, helpless woman 501 00:19:07,939 --> 00:19:10,168 who, you know, basically has to be carried out of the house 502 00:19:10,192 --> 00:19:11,693 and is now afraid of everything. 503 00:19:11,735 --> 00:19:13,862 In... in other words, a much more acceptable vision 504 00:19:13,904 --> 00:19:16,782 - of what a housewife should be. - No. 505 00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,617 No! 506 00:19:18,659 --> 00:19:20,202 I think Alfred Hitchcock 507 00:19:20,243 --> 00:19:21,995 was born to scare people. 508 00:19:22,037 --> 00:19:25,415 To make them uneasy... frighten them severely... 509 00:19:25,457 --> 00:19:27,292 and also really make them think. 510 00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,378 I think he relished that. 511 00:19:29,419 --> 00:19:31,213 Did he take it too far in his private life? 512 00:19:31,254 --> 00:19:34,424 Probably. 513 00:19:34,508 --> 00:19:36,593 He had his own motion picture going on inside. 514 00:19:36,635 --> 00:19:38,345 [laughing] 515 00:19:38,387 --> 00:19:41,515 "The Birds" is a masterful suspense film 516 00:19:41,556 --> 00:19:43,225 and a disturbing projection 517 00:19:43,266 --> 00:19:45,268 of Alfred Hitchcock's conflicted feelings 518 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:48,689 about female sexuality. 519 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:51,483 In the film "Cujo"... adapted from Stephen King's 520 00:19:51,525 --> 00:19:53,151 1981 novel... 521 00:19:53,193 --> 00:19:55,195 another normally harmless animal 522 00:19:55,237 --> 00:19:57,823 punishes a woman for her sins. 523 00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,158 One of your adaptations that I think everyone 524 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,660 who's seen it loves it is "Cujo..." 525 00:20:01,702 --> 00:20:03,620 - Yeah. - Lewis Teague's film. 526 00:20:03,662 --> 00:20:06,415 That movie was terrifying. 527 00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:08,083 I was petrified. 528 00:20:08,125 --> 00:20:10,460 When people ask me, "What are the ones 529 00:20:10,502 --> 00:20:12,087 that are your favorite movies?" 530 00:20:12,129 --> 00:20:14,423 I always mention "Cujo." 531 00:20:14,464 --> 00:20:17,259 This is about a woman who's dealing with a lot 532 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:19,261 regarding her husband and this man she's having 533 00:20:19,302 --> 00:20:22,222 an affair with, and this sin 534 00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:24,641 that she has committed... which is infidelity... 535 00:20:24,683 --> 00:20:26,893 and now paying the ultimate price for that. 536 00:20:26,935 --> 00:20:28,812 [growling] 537 00:20:28,854 --> 00:20:31,398 [huffing, growling] 538 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,817 To me, horror is always situational. 539 00:20:33,859 --> 00:20:36,278 It's something where you say to yourself... 540 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:37,696 [dramatic music] 541 00:20:37,738 --> 00:20:39,990 "Okay, we're gonna put a woman 542 00:20:40,031 --> 00:20:42,284 "and a boy in... in the car, 543 00:20:42,325 --> 00:20:44,161 and then we're gonna see what happens." 544 00:20:44,202 --> 00:20:46,163 - [growling] - [screams] 545 00:20:46,204 --> 00:20:48,832 - [screaming] - When you've got, um, 546 00:20:48,874 --> 00:20:51,376 not just the rabid dog, Cujo, 547 00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:53,920 uh, but then you've got her son who... 548 00:20:53,921 --> 00:20:57,091 who's having these seizures, and it becoming sweltering 549 00:20:57,132 --> 00:20:58,359 in the car that she's trapped in, 550 00:20:58,383 --> 00:21:00,469 and you just feel the anxiety 551 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:02,345 and the, uh, claustrophobia. 552 00:21:02,387 --> 00:21:04,473 It's a really intense movie. 553 00:21:04,514 --> 00:21:06,516 [growling, snarling] 554 00:21:06,558 --> 00:21:08,268 ♪♪ 555 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:10,228 Part of the... the greatness of that film 556 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:11,855 is the performance by Dee Wallace. 557 00:21:11,897 --> 00:21:13,648 It was extraordinary. 558 00:21:13,690 --> 00:21:15,859 You know, you really feel her pain, you really feel 559 00:21:15,901 --> 00:21:17,944 how distraught she is, and you feel 560 00:21:17,986 --> 00:21:20,280 those survival instincts that kick in 561 00:21:20,322 --> 00:21:22,699 when the trouble starts. 562 00:21:22,741 --> 00:21:26,077 Well, what actress wouldn't want the opportunity 563 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,539 to play a tour-de-force part like "Cujo"? 564 00:21:29,581 --> 00:21:32,542 [suspenseful music] 565 00:21:32,584 --> 00:21:35,545 ♪♪ 566 00:21:35,587 --> 00:21:37,506 I had no idea 567 00:21:37,547 --> 00:21:39,841 how tough it would be. 568 00:21:39,883 --> 00:21:41,384 ♪♪ 569 00:21:41,426 --> 00:21:42,969 - [growling] - [gasps] 570 00:21:43,011 --> 00:21:44,846 [whimpers] In a horror film, 571 00:21:44,888 --> 00:21:47,015 there's a lot... if you're doing it right, 572 00:21:47,057 --> 00:21:49,100 there's a lot of emotional work. 573 00:21:49,142 --> 00:21:50,727 [barking, snarling] 574 00:21:50,769 --> 00:21:52,312 [screams] 575 00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:54,439 - [snarling] - [cries out] 576 00:21:54,481 --> 00:21:55,774 ♪♪ 577 00:21:55,816 --> 00:21:57,734 Your body does not know 578 00:21:57,776 --> 00:21:59,069 you are acting. 579 00:21:59,110 --> 00:22:01,738 Your brain does not know you are acting. 580 00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:03,198 It goes through 581 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,201 every chemical change 582 00:22:06,243 --> 00:22:08,912 that you would go through in fight-or-flight. 583 00:22:08,954 --> 00:22:11,581 [whimpering] 584 00:22:11,623 --> 00:22:13,124 ♪♪ 585 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:14,376 - [snarling] - [screams] 586 00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:17,003 So you can imagine 587 00:22:17,045 --> 00:22:19,005 doing a movie like "Cujo"... 588 00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:21,675 six to eight weeks of fight-or-flight 589 00:22:21,716 --> 00:22:23,260 - every minute. - [snarling] 590 00:22:23,301 --> 00:22:25,637 [screaming] 591 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:27,305 - [screams] - There were lots 592 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:30,225 and lots of dogs playing Cujo. [screaming] 593 00:22:30,267 --> 00:22:31,768 [growling, snarling] 594 00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:33,520 It's all a big game for them. 595 00:22:33,562 --> 00:22:36,106 We had to tie their tails down with fish wire 596 00:22:36,147 --> 00:22:38,483 because they were having a wonderful time 597 00:22:38,525 --> 00:22:40,569 - going after their toys. - [screaming] 598 00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:42,696 [shrieks] 599 00:22:44,239 --> 00:22:46,783 All the dogs were taken much better care of 600 00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:47,868 than I was. [laughs] 601 00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:50,370 I wanna be clear about that. 602 00:22:50,412 --> 00:22:53,164 [sinister music] 603 00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:55,500 They treated me for exhaustion... 604 00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:57,711 for three weeks after that movie finished. 605 00:22:57,752 --> 00:22:59,170 [shaky breathing] 606 00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:01,965 It was relentless. 607 00:23:11,057 --> 00:23:13,685 And it is, I think, 608 00:23:13,727 --> 00:23:16,605 my best work and the film I'm most proud of. 609 00:23:16,646 --> 00:23:20,692 [dark music] 610 00:23:20,734 --> 00:23:22,777 Please, God, get me out of here. 611 00:23:22,819 --> 00:23:25,196 ♪♪ 612 00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:27,949 "Cujo" and "The Birds" took harmless animals 613 00:23:27,991 --> 00:23:29,659 and turned them into monsters. 614 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,786 - [snarling, barking] - But the ultimate 615 00:23:31,828 --> 00:23:33,830 animal-attack story features a creature 616 00:23:33,872 --> 00:23:36,166 everyone fears, 617 00:23:36,207 --> 00:23:38,960 thanks to one landmark horror film. 618 00:23:39,002 --> 00:23:41,171 [screaming] 619 00:23:43,757 --> 00:23:46,509 In 1975, a young director 620 00:23:46,551 --> 00:23:48,803 named Steven Spielberg made a film 621 00:23:48,845 --> 00:23:50,847 about a giant man-eating shark 622 00:23:50,889 --> 00:23:53,808 prowling the New England coastline. 623 00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:56,770 "Jaws" was the first summer blockbuster, 624 00:23:56,811 --> 00:23:59,564 and it's the ultimate animal attack movie. 625 00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:01,441 "Jaws" is pure cinema. 626 00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:03,860 From that opening shot underwater 627 00:24:03,902 --> 00:24:07,030 and that music, I can't think of an opening of a movie 628 00:24:07,072 --> 00:24:08,531 that's more effective than that... 629 00:24:08,573 --> 00:24:10,617 the opening credits of that movie. 630 00:24:10,659 --> 00:24:13,161 ["Jaws" theme plays] 631 00:24:13,203 --> 00:24:16,247 You are probably the most "Jaws" - obsessed person I know. 632 00:24:16,289 --> 00:24:18,291 That movie, for me... [stammering] 633 00:24:18,333 --> 00:24:20,335 I saw it the second day it was out. 634 00:24:20,377 --> 00:24:21,753 My parents went opening night... 635 00:24:21,795 --> 00:24:23,254 How old were you when you saw it? 636 00:24:23,296 --> 00:24:24,673 - Uh, 13. - Oh. 637 00:24:24,714 --> 00:24:26,633 Probably saw it 15 times that summer. 638 00:24:26,675 --> 00:24:28,361 I remember it, too. I saw it when it came out. 639 00:24:28,385 --> 00:24:29,928 My parents took me. I was ten 640 00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:31,221 and my brother was seven. 641 00:24:31,262 --> 00:24:32,615 I don't know what they were thinking. 642 00:24:32,639 --> 00:24:34,116 - [laughing] - And we... I don't even... 643 00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:35,767 - Thank God. - I don't even think we knew 644 00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:37,828 what it was, and from the kids that went in to that movie 645 00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:39,729 and the kids that came out were not the same. 646 00:24:39,771 --> 00:24:41,439 No. 647 00:24:41,481 --> 00:24:42,691 I love "Jaws." 648 00:24:42,732 --> 00:24:44,859 I was young when I saw it 649 00:24:44,901 --> 00:24:47,362 and it totally freaked me out. 650 00:24:47,404 --> 00:24:49,489 The little things, like the coming up 651 00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:51,533 on somebody... just the feeling. 652 00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:53,827 It's not an actual shark coming up, 653 00:24:53,868 --> 00:24:56,079 but you feel like, "She's done." 654 00:24:56,121 --> 00:24:57,914 [gasps] 655 00:24:57,956 --> 00:24:59,833 [gasps, panting] 656 00:24:59,874 --> 00:25:02,127 [sinister music] 657 00:25:02,168 --> 00:25:04,754 Oh, God! [shrieking] 658 00:25:04,796 --> 00:25:06,297 It's about this basic 659 00:25:06,339 --> 00:25:08,508 human terror. 660 00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:10,260 [screaming] 661 00:25:10,301 --> 00:25:12,929 The understanding that we are... 662 00:25:12,971 --> 00:25:15,682 a snack for sharks. 663 00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:17,559 [screaming] 664 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,353 - It hurts! - Realizing you are food 665 00:25:20,395 --> 00:25:23,481 - is upsetting. - [shrieking] 666 00:25:23,523 --> 00:25:25,942 Oh, my God! Oh, God! 667 00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:28,528 It blew me away. Just everything about it... 668 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:31,489 the fear of the unknown, the fact that you would be 669 00:25:31,531 --> 00:25:34,284 in the water and something underneath the water 670 00:25:34,325 --> 00:25:36,745 could be that massive, 671 00:25:36,786 --> 00:25:38,538 that big, that dangerous. 672 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:41,916 Oh, please help! [screaming] 673 00:25:41,958 --> 00:25:45,086 There's an element where Spielberg was forced 674 00:25:45,128 --> 00:25:47,797 into really creative ways 675 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:49,340 of showing suspense 676 00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:52,052 because his major special effect didn't work. 677 00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:55,805 And I'm sure he would agree 678 00:25:55,847 --> 00:25:59,184 that if the mechanical shark had worked a bit better 679 00:25:59,225 --> 00:26:00,727 you might have seen the shark more, 680 00:26:00,769 --> 00:26:02,562 and maybe it would be a lesser film. 681 00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:04,898 [screaming] 682 00:26:06,357 --> 00:26:08,902 That scene on the beach is... is pure Hitchcock. 683 00:26:08,943 --> 00:26:10,904 - Get out of the office... - [screaming] 684 00:26:10,945 --> 00:26:12,530 A garbage truck next to the office. 685 00:26:12,572 --> 00:26:14,616 - [screaming] - You look at the tricks 686 00:26:14,657 --> 00:26:16,326 that Spielberg used in that scene... 687 00:26:16,367 --> 00:26:18,119 he used every trick in the book 688 00:26:18,161 --> 00:26:20,663 to just really make sure that you saw 689 00:26:20,705 --> 00:26:23,374 every single thing that was happening, 690 00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:25,126 but you could do nothing about it. 691 00:26:25,168 --> 00:26:27,253 Pippin! 692 00:26:27,295 --> 00:26:29,148 And then when the guy throws the stick for the dog 693 00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:30,691 and then it's just like, "Pippin, Pippin." 694 00:26:30,715 --> 00:26:34,636 You just see the stick... you're like, "Oh, no." 695 00:26:34,677 --> 00:26:36,346 I saw "Jaws" at a really early age 696 00:26:36,387 --> 00:26:38,431 and my take-away from that was, 697 00:26:38,473 --> 00:26:41,392 "Oh, Jaws eats kids." 698 00:26:41,434 --> 00:26:44,437 The way Spielberg shot the death of the kid 699 00:26:44,479 --> 00:26:47,398 on his yellow raft... I was shell-shocked. 700 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,983 ["Jaws" theme plays] 701 00:26:49,025 --> 00:26:51,027 [children shouting] 702 00:26:51,069 --> 00:26:52,296 - [screaming] - Did you see that? 703 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,030 Yes. 704 00:26:54,072 --> 00:26:55,698 ♪♪ 705 00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:57,242 [screams] 706 00:26:57,283 --> 00:27:01,579 ♪♪ 707 00:27:01,621 --> 00:27:04,165 [children shouting] 708 00:27:04,207 --> 00:27:06,084 ♪♪ 709 00:27:06,126 --> 00:27:08,837 And I was like, "Oh, Jaws is unrelenting. 710 00:27:08,878 --> 00:27:10,255 "He doesn't care who he eats. 711 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:12,132 That's it, we're all doomed." 712 00:27:12,173 --> 00:27:14,134 Alex? 713 00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:20,265 At its core, it's really about 714 00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:22,600 the connective tissue of these characters 715 00:27:22,642 --> 00:27:24,978 from a community level, 716 00:27:25,019 --> 00:27:27,147 to the family level, 717 00:27:27,188 --> 00:27:29,440 then to these three men 718 00:27:29,482 --> 00:27:31,484 who have taken upon themselves 719 00:27:31,526 --> 00:27:33,403 to go on a boat and go into the ocean 720 00:27:33,444 --> 00:27:35,321 and hunt this great white shark. 721 00:27:35,363 --> 00:27:37,031 Slow ahead. 722 00:27:37,073 --> 00:27:38,825 I can go slow ahead. Come on down and chum 723 00:27:38,867 --> 00:27:42,495 some of this [bleep]. 724 00:27:44,455 --> 00:27:46,791 Not seeing the shark a lot 725 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:48,543 was a good thing... both: Yeah. 726 00:27:48,585 --> 00:27:50,104 For the audience, 'cause I didn't want 727 00:27:50,128 --> 00:27:52,088 to see it anymore 'cause it was too intense. 728 00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:55,133 You're going to need a bigger boat. 729 00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:57,635 Everybody talks about 730 00:27:57,677 --> 00:27:59,512 how bad this fake shark was. 731 00:27:59,554 --> 00:28:01,306 I cannot believe that, 732 00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:02,932 because the shark looks incredible. 733 00:28:02,974 --> 00:28:06,728 It doesn't look fake at all to me. 734 00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:10,273 [sinister music] 735 00:28:10,315 --> 00:28:12,358 That's why "Jaws" has not 736 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,236 been remade to this day, is people don't really want 737 00:28:15,278 --> 00:28:16,821 to see a CGI shark. 738 00:28:16,863 --> 00:28:19,490 You don't need to see more shark. 739 00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:21,075 ♪♪ 740 00:28:21,117 --> 00:28:23,119 And you've seen other shark movies since 741 00:28:23,161 --> 00:28:25,538 where they're CGI sharks and you're like, "Eh, 742 00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:26,915 I'm good." [laughing] 743 00:28:26,956 --> 00:28:28,166 "I've already seen Jaws." 744 00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:31,085 [screaming] 745 00:28:34,505 --> 00:28:36,758 Humans fear the ferocity of nature. 746 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:38,760 It's built into us. 747 00:28:38,801 --> 00:28:40,553 [screaming] 748 00:28:40,595 --> 00:28:43,556 But deep down, we know the biggest threat we face 749 00:28:43,598 --> 00:28:45,308 is the one lurking inside us, 750 00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:47,644 the ferocious beast within. 751 00:28:47,685 --> 00:28:49,354 ♪♪ 752 00:28:51,773 --> 00:28:53,858 Monsters are metaphors. 753 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,069 Name the monster, name the metaphor. 754 00:28:56,110 --> 00:29:00,657 Joe Dante recommended that as a game show once. 755 00:29:00,698 --> 00:29:02,700 "Jekyll and Hyde" is essentially about 756 00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:04,661 psychopharmacology. 757 00:29:04,702 --> 00:29:06,454 - [growls] - "Frankenstein," 758 00:29:06,496 --> 00:29:09,040 it's don't [bleep] with God. 759 00:29:09,082 --> 00:29:13,795 [howling] 760 00:29:13,836 --> 00:29:16,881 Now werewolves, that's a whole different story. 761 00:29:16,923 --> 00:29:19,550 I just think werewolves are just the coolest, man. 762 00:29:19,592 --> 00:29:22,345 I'm not gonna lie, man, I used to kind of wish 763 00:29:22,387 --> 00:29:24,055 as a kid that I had that. 764 00:29:24,097 --> 00:29:27,058 Like, I just want be a... one of those werewolf people. 765 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,435 Like, that look like... go around just looking like 766 00:29:29,477 --> 00:29:31,562 a werewolf all the time, man. 767 00:29:31,604 --> 00:29:33,773 Werewolves were always evil. 768 00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:35,692 The idea of the werewolf 769 00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:38,653 not as the evil, aggressive perpetrator 770 00:29:38,695 --> 00:29:42,615 of death and murder but as the victim of a curse... 771 00:29:42,657 --> 00:29:45,034 that's Hollywood screenwriter... 772 00:29:45,076 --> 00:29:47,412 that's Curt Siodmak's invention with "The Wolfman" 773 00:29:47,453 --> 00:29:49,247 in the '40s. 774 00:29:49,289 --> 00:29:51,308 You know, werewolves being killed by silver bullets... 775 00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:52,792 you know where that came from? 776 00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:54,544 He was listening to the Lone Ranger, 777 00:29:54,585 --> 00:29:56,504 who had silver bullets, and he thought, 778 00:29:56,546 --> 00:29:59,716 "That's it. We could melt crucifixes." 779 00:29:59,757 --> 00:30:02,385 So many of Curt Siodmak's inventions 780 00:30:02,427 --> 00:30:05,054 became ancient lore 781 00:30:05,096 --> 00:30:07,348 of the werewolf. 782 00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:09,225 Curt Siodmak fled Europe 783 00:30:09,267 --> 00:30:11,144 because of the Nazi threat, 784 00:30:11,185 --> 00:30:14,230 and in the "Wolfman" films you can see, uh, 785 00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:16,107 things that he's very consciously put there. 786 00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:18,276 It's no coincidence that a person 787 00:30:18,318 --> 00:30:20,737 is marked for death by the appearance 788 00:30:20,778 --> 00:30:22,780 of a star in their palm. 789 00:30:22,822 --> 00:30:24,615 Obviously this was a technique 790 00:30:24,657 --> 00:30:27,243 the... the Nazis used. 791 00:30:27,285 --> 00:30:29,245 The "Wolfman" films of the '40s 792 00:30:29,287 --> 00:30:31,956 were a great influence on two horror classics, 793 00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:34,000 both released in 1981. 794 00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:36,586 - [growling] - "The Howling" 795 00:30:36,627 --> 00:30:39,255 and "An American Werewolf in London." 796 00:30:39,297 --> 00:30:41,758 With "American Werewolf in London," my intention 797 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,052 was that it's much more of a horror film. 798 00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:46,929 It happens to be very funny, and that was deliberate, 799 00:30:46,971 --> 00:30:48,931 but I don't consider it a comedy. 800 00:30:48,973 --> 00:30:51,559 This poor guy went abroad 801 00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:54,187 and travelled with his friend and got bitten 802 00:30:54,228 --> 00:30:57,440 by something unspeakable and monstrous. 803 00:30:57,482 --> 00:30:58,691 [panting] 804 00:30:58,733 --> 00:30:59,984 [indistinct] 805 00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:02,111 [roaring] 806 00:31:02,153 --> 00:31:03,654 [growling] 807 00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:06,866 [roars] 808 00:31:06,908 --> 00:31:09,327 Once he gets bit, uh, 809 00:31:09,369 --> 00:31:11,996 the audience knows that he's doomed. 810 00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:14,665 Tomorrow night's the full moon. 811 00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:16,709 You're gonna change. 812 00:31:16,751 --> 00:31:18,586 - You'll become... - I know. 813 00:31:18,628 --> 00:31:20,797 I know. A monster. 814 00:31:20,838 --> 00:31:23,716 "American Werewolf in London," "The Howling"... 815 00:31:23,758 --> 00:31:25,927 those movies were... were really 816 00:31:25,968 --> 00:31:28,179 the age of make-up effects. 817 00:31:28,221 --> 00:31:30,306 [screaming] 818 00:31:30,348 --> 00:31:32,308 [bones cracking] 819 00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:35,686 - [screaming] - When filmmakers realized, 820 00:31:35,728 --> 00:31:37,939 "Wait a minute, we can do anything we want. 821 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:39,607 "We can show a guy turn into a werewolf. 822 00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:41,734 We can transform people into zombies." 823 00:31:41,776 --> 00:31:44,237 And you know, up until that point it was nothing 824 00:31:44,278 --> 00:31:45,947 really on screen... it was all left 825 00:31:45,988 --> 00:31:47,615 to your imagination. 826 00:31:47,657 --> 00:31:49,909 "American Werewolf in London" had, uh, 827 00:31:49,951 --> 00:31:51,953 Rick Baker's effects, and "The Howling" 828 00:31:51,994 --> 00:31:54,747 had Rob Bottin... Rick Baker's protégé, 829 00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:56,916 who was doing the effects, so there's some crossover 830 00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:58,543 that they came out in the same year 831 00:31:58,584 --> 00:31:59,853 and they had some of the same effects. 832 00:31:59,877 --> 00:32:01,546 Help me! 833 00:32:01,587 --> 00:32:03,423 Please! 834 00:32:03,464 --> 00:32:05,842 Help me! 835 00:32:05,883 --> 00:32:07,885 I wanted to show it in real time. 836 00:32:07,927 --> 00:32:10,471 I wanted it to be extremely painful. 837 00:32:10,513 --> 00:32:12,348 [screaming] 838 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:14,725 [growling] 839 00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:17,854 Rick Baker did that nose extension, uh... 840 00:32:17,895 --> 00:32:19,772 oh, gosh, that was a beautiful piece of... 841 00:32:19,814 --> 00:32:21,941 - of practical work. - [screaming] 842 00:32:21,983 --> 00:32:24,193 [bones cracking] 843 00:32:24,235 --> 00:32:26,154 I remember watching that in the theater going, 844 00:32:26,195 --> 00:32:27,780 "How did they do that?" 845 00:32:27,822 --> 00:32:29,824 The actual head 846 00:32:29,866 --> 00:32:32,076 would change from within. 847 00:32:32,118 --> 00:32:34,954 It would have mechanics in it 848 00:32:34,996 --> 00:32:37,790 that would expand or... or alter the shape. 849 00:32:37,832 --> 00:32:39,876 - [groaning] - To me it's like it's... 850 00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:42,295 it's one of my favorite movies of all time. 851 00:32:42,336 --> 00:32:44,338 It's kind of funny, it's sweet, 852 00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:46,299 and then it's really scary. 853 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:47,717 And then it's kind of bleak. 854 00:32:47,758 --> 00:32:49,927 I love you, David. 855 00:32:49,969 --> 00:32:51,637 And then it has, like, a sort of a... 856 00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,848 you know, a terribly sad ending, 857 00:32:53,890 --> 00:32:56,309 - like most "Wolfman" movies. - [roars] 858 00:32:58,102 --> 00:33:00,104 [sinister music] 859 00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:01,981 [growling] 860 00:33:02,023 --> 00:33:04,400 Joe Dante's "The Howling" is famous 861 00:33:04,442 --> 00:33:06,903 for its terrifying werewolves 862 00:33:06,944 --> 00:33:09,280 and a post-modern self-awareness 863 00:33:09,322 --> 00:33:11,699 we would later see in films like "Scream." 864 00:33:11,741 --> 00:33:14,911 ...is bitten by a werewolf and lives 865 00:33:14,952 --> 00:33:17,205 becomes a werewolf himself. 866 00:33:17,246 --> 00:33:18,664 "The Howling" was the first movie 867 00:33:18,706 --> 00:33:20,541 where the characters don't have 868 00:33:20,583 --> 00:33:22,752 to go to the doctor and ask what a werewolf is 869 00:33:22,793 --> 00:33:24,879 and the first movie where the characters, uh, 870 00:33:24,921 --> 00:33:27,089 are not behind the audience. 871 00:33:27,131 --> 00:33:28,925 It's 80... 872 00:33:28,966 --> 00:33:31,219 - Quist... - [snarling, growling] 873 00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:33,429 [dramatic music] 874 00:33:33,471 --> 00:33:35,139 - [roars] - [yelps] 875 00:33:35,181 --> 00:33:38,726 "The Howling" was a perfectly-timed movie 876 00:33:38,768 --> 00:33:41,187 about the California 877 00:33:41,229 --> 00:33:44,065 self-help movement period. 878 00:33:44,106 --> 00:33:47,068 It's a great satire and mockery of that. 879 00:33:48,236 --> 00:33:49,904 It's a cult where people 880 00:33:49,946 --> 00:33:52,573 all get behind somebody who they think is going 881 00:33:52,615 --> 00:33:54,617 to change their lives and... 882 00:33:54,659 --> 00:33:57,620 and transform them and, uh... [stammering] 883 00:33:57,662 --> 00:33:59,080 They're actually all werewolves, 884 00:33:59,121 --> 00:34:00,998 and he's trying to get them to, um, 885 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,833 adjust to modern life 886 00:34:02,875 --> 00:34:05,586 and not have to, you know... [laughs] 887 00:34:05,628 --> 00:34:07,380 Kill the mailman and eat him. 888 00:34:07,421 --> 00:34:08,756 It's a perfect cast. 889 00:34:08,798 --> 00:34:10,508 Dee Wallace, uh, 890 00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:13,177 who got "E.T." off of that movie... 891 00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:15,221 [roaring] 892 00:34:15,263 --> 00:34:18,349 What attracted me to "The Howling" 893 00:34:18,391 --> 00:34:21,269 was I never looked at it 894 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:23,104 as a werewolf movie. 895 00:34:23,145 --> 00:34:25,481 I looked at it as a movie 896 00:34:25,523 --> 00:34:27,525 about... 897 00:34:27,567 --> 00:34:31,070 good and evil within us... 898 00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:33,239 and the battle 899 00:34:33,281 --> 00:34:36,075 that goes on consistently 900 00:34:36,117 --> 00:34:39,453 in which one's gonna win. 901 00:34:39,495 --> 00:34:41,872 That notion, uh, that a person 902 00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:44,166 that you think that you know are a... 903 00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:46,460 could shape-shift and change on you... 904 00:34:46,502 --> 00:34:48,838 obviously a metaphor for a person 905 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,381 that seems very charming 906 00:34:50,423 --> 00:34:53,509 or very, uh, you know, sophisticated 907 00:34:53,551 --> 00:34:56,345 and cultured, and then in the privacy 908 00:34:56,387 --> 00:34:57,930 of their own hotel room 909 00:34:57,972 --> 00:34:59,932 they can shift into a monster. 910 00:34:59,974 --> 00:35:02,310 The werewolf metaphor reflects our fear 911 00:35:02,351 --> 00:35:03,811 of the beast within, 912 00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:05,813 the primal animal held in check 913 00:35:05,855 --> 00:35:07,940 by society's rules. 914 00:35:07,982 --> 00:35:10,735 Some horror films go even further, 915 00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:13,654 showing us humans can be as monstrous 916 00:35:13,696 --> 00:35:15,406 as the creatures they fight. 917 00:35:15,448 --> 00:35:17,283 - [hollers] - [screaming] 918 00:35:21,495 --> 00:35:23,331 [screaming] 919 00:35:23,372 --> 00:35:25,458 What makes a monster? 920 00:35:25,499 --> 00:35:27,793 It's a question filmmakers have explored 921 00:35:27,835 --> 00:35:30,379 since the early days of cinema. 922 00:35:30,421 --> 00:35:32,173 King Kong was a savage beast 923 00:35:32,214 --> 00:35:34,175 whose tender heart proved no match 924 00:35:34,216 --> 00:35:37,094 for a blonde and biplanes. 925 00:35:37,136 --> 00:35:38,763 He's alive! 926 00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:40,973 Frankenstein's monster was a toddler 927 00:35:41,015 --> 00:35:43,601 in a giant's body, rejected by his creator... 928 00:35:43,643 --> 00:35:45,436 - [screams] - [growls] 929 00:35:45,478 --> 00:35:48,147 Looking for love and finding only violence 930 00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:50,816 - and death. - [screaming] 931 00:35:50,858 --> 00:35:53,361 In recent times, Guillermo del Toro 932 00:35:53,402 --> 00:35:55,363 has made a series of horror films 933 00:35:55,404 --> 00:35:58,783 exploring the nature of monstrosity. 934 00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:02,119 It's the theme of his Academy Award-winning picture, 935 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:05,039 "The Shape of Water." 936 00:36:05,081 --> 00:36:07,124 The film pits a monster 937 00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:08,668 who's ugly on the outside 938 00:36:08,709 --> 00:36:10,836 against a man who's ugly on the inside. 939 00:36:10,878 --> 00:36:12,588 This is what scares you, huh? 940 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:14,215 Gee, you should be used to it by now. 941 00:36:14,256 --> 00:36:16,759 - [screams] - It asks, 942 00:36:16,801 --> 00:36:19,053 "Which would you rather be?" 943 00:36:19,095 --> 00:36:21,639 What's wonderful about del Toro's, uh, 944 00:36:21,681 --> 00:36:24,100 gill man, for the lack of a better word, 945 00:36:24,141 --> 00:36:25,976 is that he is so real 946 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:28,062 thanks to the amazing performance 947 00:36:28,104 --> 00:36:30,147 by Doug Jones. 948 00:36:30,189 --> 00:36:32,191 The pantomime skills... 949 00:36:32,233 --> 00:36:34,985 it's so realistic, so other-worldly. 950 00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:37,988 [eerie music] 951 00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:40,616 ♪♪ 952 00:36:40,658 --> 00:36:42,928 When Guillermo first told me about "The Shape of Water," 953 00:36:42,952 --> 00:36:45,913 he was very, very specific to say, "Dougie, you're going 954 00:36:45,955 --> 00:36:48,749 to be playing the romantic leading man of this movie." 955 00:36:48,791 --> 00:36:50,668 I was like, "Oh." [exclaims] 956 00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:52,670 "Ooh, in... in a fish suit? Is this possible?" 957 00:36:52,712 --> 00:36:54,422 But again, I knew, "Okay, this is coming 958 00:36:54,463 --> 00:36:56,149 "from Guillermo del Toro... this is gonna work. 959 00:36:56,173 --> 00:36:58,008 He's gonna make this work." 960 00:36:58,050 --> 00:37:01,011 [cheerful music] 961 00:37:01,053 --> 00:37:02,722 ♪♪ 962 00:37:02,763 --> 00:37:04,932 Guillermo kept telling me... didn't want to see human. 963 00:37:04,974 --> 00:37:06,308 "Dougie, no human." 964 00:37:06,350 --> 00:37:08,352 And what he might do to remind me 965 00:37:08,394 --> 00:37:10,855 he would just give me like a... a little growl 966 00:37:10,896 --> 00:37:13,399 to remind me, "Oh, yes, right. 967 00:37:13,441 --> 00:37:15,484 Non-human, I gotta... okay, right." 968 00:37:15,526 --> 00:37:17,528 [gurgles] 969 00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:20,740 For instance, there was a... a particular scene where 970 00:37:20,781 --> 00:37:23,325 Richard Jenkins' character is talking to me. 971 00:37:23,367 --> 00:37:24,785 Do you know what happened to you? 972 00:37:24,827 --> 00:37:26,537 Do you? Because I don't. 973 00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:28,289 I don't know what happened to me. 974 00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:30,249 - [gurgles] - I don't know. 975 00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:31,685 I look in the mirror and the only thing 976 00:37:31,709 --> 00:37:34,044 that I recognize are these eyes. 977 00:37:34,086 --> 00:37:35,921 I... I got caught up in his story... 978 00:37:35,963 --> 00:37:37,858 his monologue was so beautiful and so beautifully delivered 979 00:37:37,882 --> 00:37:40,092 that I... I kept wanting to go, "Hmm. 980 00:37:40,134 --> 00:37:41,969 Yeah." And that would have been 981 00:37:42,011 --> 00:37:44,263 the wrong body language for this character, 982 00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:46,849 so I had to think... I had to think, uh, 983 00:37:46,850 --> 00:37:48,602 "How would the family dog respond?" 984 00:37:48,642 --> 00:37:50,561 Sometimes I think I was either born too early 985 00:37:50,603 --> 00:37:53,272 or too late for my life. 986 00:37:53,314 --> 00:37:56,484 Guillermo has a real appreciation 987 00:37:56,525 --> 00:37:58,778 and passionate love of monsters. 988 00:37:58,819 --> 00:38:01,197 "The Shape of Water" is... is basically 989 00:38:01,238 --> 00:38:02,782 the romantic side 990 00:38:02,823 --> 00:38:04,992 of "The Creature from the Black Lagoon." 991 00:38:05,034 --> 00:38:07,703 [sinister music] 992 00:38:07,745 --> 00:38:09,205 There he is! 993 00:38:09,246 --> 00:38:10,998 [growls] 994 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,250 Hearing Guillermo del Toro talk about his first time 995 00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:14,936 seeing "The Creature from the Black Lagoon"... 996 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,129 he was about six years old watching on TV in Mexico. 997 00:38:17,171 --> 00:38:20,049 His first image of seeing Julie Adams swimming 998 00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:21,675 on the top of the surface of the water 999 00:38:21,717 --> 00:38:24,011 and the creature swimming under her 1000 00:38:24,053 --> 00:38:26,180 would be a horrifying image to most of us 1001 00:38:26,222 --> 00:38:27,556 but to him it was like, 1002 00:38:27,598 --> 00:38:30,226 "That's so beautiful." 1003 00:38:30,267 --> 00:38:32,645 And he really wanted those two to get together. 1004 00:38:32,686 --> 00:38:36,232 ♪♪ 1005 00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:38,234 And when the movie played out to be not that... 1006 00:38:38,275 --> 00:38:39,693 ♪♪ 1007 00:38:39,735 --> 00:38:42,029 - [roaring] - He was like, "What?" 1008 00:38:42,071 --> 00:38:45,157 He was... he was outraged, as a six-year-old boy. 1009 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:46,742 Making "The Shape of Water" 1010 00:38:46,784 --> 00:38:49,995 is like a 46-year journey into righting that wrong. 1011 00:38:51,163 --> 00:38:53,707 And all of Guillermo's best movies 1012 00:38:53,749 --> 00:38:55,459 feel like they come from the heart. 1013 00:38:55,501 --> 00:38:57,419 "Pan's Labyrinth" 1014 00:38:57,461 --> 00:38:59,839 is about a child, 1015 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,008 but it's not a children's film at all. 1016 00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:06,011 [rousing music] 1017 00:39:06,053 --> 00:39:07,888 ♪♪ 1018 00:39:07,930 --> 00:39:10,224 Another view of "Alice in Wonderland." 1019 00:39:10,266 --> 00:39:12,977 Little girl goes into the rabbit hole 1020 00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:16,272 and encounters a new race of people. 1021 00:39:17,314 --> 00:39:18,858 Hola? 1022 00:39:18,899 --> 00:39:20,651 [growling] 1023 00:39:20,693 --> 00:39:23,779 There's a monster in "Pan's Labyrinth" 1024 00:39:23,821 --> 00:39:26,407 called "the pale man..." 1025 00:39:26,448 --> 00:39:29,493 who is this tall, 1026 00:39:29,535 --> 00:39:32,037 obscenely pale figure... 1027 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,081 [wheezing] 1028 00:39:34,123 --> 00:39:36,709 Who has eyeballs in his hands. 1029 00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:39,128 [wheezing] 1030 00:39:42,756 --> 00:39:45,134 He's blind up here, but he can look at you 1031 00:39:45,175 --> 00:39:47,136 when he opens his hands, and his mouth 1032 00:39:47,177 --> 00:39:49,096 is full of fangs. 1033 00:39:49,138 --> 00:39:50,681 I don't normally get creeped out 1034 00:39:50,723 --> 00:39:52,433 watching my own work but... 1035 00:39:52,474 --> 00:39:55,227 the pale man made me go... [exclaims] 1036 00:39:55,269 --> 00:39:57,354 Right? Which is... so somebody 1037 00:39:57,396 --> 00:39:59,440 did something right if... if I can get that reaction 1038 00:39:59,481 --> 00:40:02,192 out of myself. [laughing] 1039 00:40:02,234 --> 00:40:04,111 [shrieking] 1040 00:40:04,153 --> 00:40:06,363 [sinister music] 1041 00:40:06,405 --> 00:40:08,324 [screaming] Both in "Pan's Labyrinth" 1042 00:40:08,365 --> 00:40:10,784 and "The Shape of Water," the antagonist 1043 00:40:10,826 --> 00:40:12,745 in both stories is a handsome leading man 1044 00:40:12,786 --> 00:40:14,330 that you would think would be the one 1045 00:40:14,371 --> 00:40:17,124 who's got it all together... 1046 00:40:17,166 --> 00:40:20,252 and, uh, they're actually heartless and mean 1047 00:40:20,294 --> 00:40:22,004 and narcissistic 1048 00:40:22,046 --> 00:40:23,672 and absorbed with themselves, 1049 00:40:23,714 --> 00:40:26,508 and will do anything to get ahead 1050 00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:28,510 at everyone else's expense around them. 1051 00:40:28,552 --> 00:40:29,762 That's a monster. 1052 00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:32,181 That's a true monster. 1053 00:40:32,222 --> 00:40:35,017 You know, Michael Shannon as the FBI agent 1054 00:40:35,059 --> 00:40:37,978 literally starts rotting in front of our eyes. 1055 00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:39,772 His fingers start falling off... 1056 00:40:39,813 --> 00:40:41,231 [hollers] 1057 00:40:41,273 --> 00:40:43,567 To have the guy in the rubber suit 1058 00:40:43,609 --> 00:40:45,449 be the sympathetic one while that monster is... 1059 00:40:45,486 --> 00:40:48,447 is after him, that's a great twist of... 1060 00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:51,533 of storytelling that del Toro has really tapped into. 1061 00:40:51,575 --> 00:40:54,370 [tense music] 1062 00:40:54,411 --> 00:40:56,497 I think horror films are very good 1063 00:40:56,538 --> 00:40:59,166 at giving a voice to the voiceless 1064 00:40:59,208 --> 00:41:01,251 and empowering the weak. 1065 00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:03,295 We all have some kind of monster or demon 1066 00:41:03,337 --> 00:41:06,090 that plagues us in some way, 1067 00:41:06,131 --> 00:41:08,092 but to realize, "With the right dagger 1068 00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:09,927 I can kill that demon, so I'm gonna." 1069 00:41:09,969 --> 00:41:11,303 Right? [laughs] 1070 00:41:11,345 --> 00:41:13,639 That's what a horror film teaches me. 1071 00:41:13,681 --> 00:41:16,558 Monsters embody our deepest fears, 1072 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,228 the fears we can't or won't face, 1073 00:41:19,269 --> 00:41:22,731 the primal fears we need to repress to stay sane. 1074 00:41:22,773 --> 00:41:24,692 [screeching] 1075 00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:27,152 Fears of weakness and vulnerability. 1076 00:41:27,194 --> 00:41:29,613 Fears of being shunned by society. 1077 00:41:29,655 --> 00:41:32,658 Fears of giving in to our worst impulses. 1078 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,535 [creature roaring] 1079 00:41:34,576 --> 00:41:35,995 When the monster is defeated, 1080 00:41:36,036 --> 00:41:38,247 we win a small victory 1081 00:41:38,288 --> 00:41:40,791 over the terror of being human. 1082 00:41:40,833 --> 00:41:43,335 - [roaring] - [screaming] 1083 00:41:45,629 --> 00:41:48,590 [sinister music] 1084 00:41:48,632 --> 00:41:55,556 ♪♪