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[suspenseful music]

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I see dead people.

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♪♪

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The one monster that's
in every culture,

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no matter how sophisticated
or primitive

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all around the world,
and that's ghosts.

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Do you believe in ghosts?

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[roaring, groans]

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With "Poltergeist,"
what you get is,

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you get the most thoughtful,

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most thought-out,

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most fun haunted house movie
that's ever been made.

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♪♪

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"The Shining."

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I mean, that is the ultimate
ghost story, is "The Shining."

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- Here's Johnny.
- [gasps]

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I was struck most viscerally

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by the performance
of Jack Nicholson.

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I'm not gonna hurt you.

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I'm just gonna
bash your brains.

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♪♪

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Ah!

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"The Sixth Sense"
is masterful

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in that it really plays
with the ghost story

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- in a very new way.
- Ah!

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He sees ghosts and spirits.

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Stop looking at me.

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People walking around
in their day-to-day life.

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[crashing]

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What "Insidious" has brought
to the genre is a humanity

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which I'm not sure
has been in many

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of the spooky movies
we've seen.

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♪♪

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"The Ring" was
one of those movies

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that had so many
disturbing images...

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♪♪

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...that I could not sleep

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for days after
I saw that movie.

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[gunshot]

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Ghost stories
are always about the way

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the past casts its long shadow
on the present.

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[shrieks]

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They make us question,
is there something else?

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Am I gonna wind up in limbo?
Am I gonna wind up in heaven?

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Or hell?

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♪♪

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Totally getting goose bumps
talking about this.

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[screams]

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[spooky music]

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♪♪

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♪♪

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[chainsaw revs]

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♪♪

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[ominous music]

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It's coming toward us.

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Vampires,
werewolves, zombies.

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People don't really
believe that stuff is real.

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But ghosts,
you ask 99% of the people,

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they're like 100% certain
that they have seen a ghost.

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[screams]

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That there are ghosts,
that they experienced ghosts.

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There are ghosts in the house.

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Oh!

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I mean, the ghost subgenre...
I mean, I think that's why

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it just... it literally
never dies.

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♪♪

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Ghost movies
have been with us

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since the dawn of cinema.

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The first horror film,
"La Manoir du Diable,"

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from 1896,
was a ghost story.

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But until the 1980s, spirits
were rarely seen onscreen.

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And if they were,
they were rarely convincing.

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That all changed
with "Poltergeist."

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They're here.

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Well, "Poltergeist" was one
of the first scary movies

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that I can remember
seeing as a kid.

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I was truly terrified
by that movie

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and I... I'm still to this day
terrified of ghosts.

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I was still a child
when I saw it.

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I really connected
to that story,

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the magical of uncertainty

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of the afterlife
and... and spirits.

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♪♪

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"Poltergeist" is
a haunted house movie

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that took place
in the suburbs,

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that was in the least scary
place possible.

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- I'm out of here.
- Bye.

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The family lives
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that gets plagued by spirits

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because of the area where they
live was built on a graveyard

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that is getting back at 'em.

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Don't worry about it.
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it's not ancient tribal
burial ground,

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it's just... people.

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"Poltergeist" is a really
fascinating one for me.

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It's like taking sort of,
almost like,

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decades of horror filmmaking,

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and constructing it into,
like, this pure rollercoaster.

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- No [screams].
- [roars]

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[screams]

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Took the director of
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"

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Tobe Hooper,
and you took Steven Spielberg,

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the director of "Jaws,"
"Raiders of the Lost Ark,"

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that was the biggest
horror event

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of my childhood,
that movie.

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And this stuff all works
as long as the audience

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can find some logic for it.

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Steven just brings this
enthusiasm and this energy

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to the thing.

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And then Tobe is, like,
figuring out the logistics

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and... and how the shot's gonna
look and all of that.

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What happens to that family
is so Tobe.

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But that family is definitely
more Spielbergian.

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Before, after,
before, after, before.

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[laughing] Let me see
your tuck position.

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The important thing
was the kinetic family,

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and the cohesiveness,
and keeping it light,

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until it starts getting heavy.

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[ominous music]

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"Poltergeist"
is a movie about

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the tremendous
guilt and shame we feel

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about leaving our
children in front of the TV,

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letting the TV be
the babysitter.

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We know it's wrong.
We do it anyway.

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That scene where the little
girl is standing in front

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of the, uh... the television,

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and it reaches out
to molest her.

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♪♪

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Kind of a dawning
realization that we might be

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sacrificing our... our children

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in front of, uh,
this glowing screen.

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♪♪

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I think what Steven and his
collaborators predicted

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with "Poltergeist" is... is true.

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We've all fallen
into our television.

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- [yelps]
- Mommy.

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I can't see you, Mommy.

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Where are you?

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Their young daughter
gets trapped

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between this world
and the next.

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Your daughter is alive
and in this house.

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During the course
of the film,

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the mother literally
goes to hell

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to rescue her daughter
from the beast.

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[roars]

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[screams]

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[whooshing]

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[suspenseful music]

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♪♪

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Pull.

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- Phew! Great.
- Real nice.

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The good fortune of
"Poltergeist" was that

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it did have the budget to allow

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the filmmakers to express
their imagination on film.

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A spirit coming down
the stairs for the first time.

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Feeling of the... of the body
and the arms coming up.

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Just when we begin
to see the fingers,

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it goes whoosh,

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breaks up like blowing
a smoke ring apart in the air.

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Anything that Tobe
and Steven could think of

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that belonged in the movie
was in the movie.

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♪♪

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both: [screaming]

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But there's no CGI
in "Poltergeist."

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[whimpering]

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[grunts]

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God.
The face-tearing scene,

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that whole sequence
you can see the three pieces.

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There's me with
the little scratches.

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[ominous music]

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Then there's me with this
giant prosthetic on my face

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that I pull off and pull
strips of it off,

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and then there's
this really cool dummy

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that looks like me,
which is actually

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this dummy with Steven
Spielberg's hands underneath

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pulling all this gunk off.

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♪♪

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When they showed it
to me the first time,

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I just burst out laughing,
and the... the...

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one of the sound designers
said, "What's so funny?"

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And I said, "Everyone's
gonna remember this scene.

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"I just pulled my face off
and it fell in the sink."

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[whooshing]

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[laughs]

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All sorts of
different effects.

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Opticals,
forced perspective sets,

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contrazoom when JoBeth Williams
is running down the corridor,

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and also, brilliant
practical effects.

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[lighting roars]

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Oh, yeah, boy, that tree.

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♪♪

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Steven had this image,
'cause when he was a kid,

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there was a tree outside
his bedroom window

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that scared
the crap out of him,

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and so that tree
had to be there.

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It was a rubber tree.
For some reason,

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they put these,
like, knobs in there.

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These little prickly things.

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Well, obviously, the tree,
kind of climb up,

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and kind of, um, like,

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scratching you
and pouring rain

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and you got the wind machines
and the lightning

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and... [snorts]

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things are going off,
and I'm going, Jeez.

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- Look out.
- My leg!

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For me,
the tree coming alive,

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uh, was very vivid
and visceral,

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and so every time I sort of
looked out the window,

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and the moonlight was just so,

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I would constantly picture
that tree.

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[whooshing]

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I'm still pissed off
about the tree.

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That tree was
the hardest thing to deal with

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in the whole movie.

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Except for the pool.

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My God.
[breathes heavily]

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The swimming pool.

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Be careful, honey.

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Craig Raiche, the prop guy,

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stashed all these skeletons
all over the place.

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[dramatic musical flourish]

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[screams]

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We did a take and went
to Craig and I says,

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"Hey, Craig," I s... you know,

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"you don't need to make them
smell like this."

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You know, they... they smelled.

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And he says,
"Well, they're real."

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[whimpering, panting]

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I mean, it's a joke now,

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of something was on
an Indian burial ground

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and so you know
it's gonna be haunted.

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And in "Poltergeist," the great
line at the end of the movie

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is when Craig T. Nelson
grabs James Karen

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and shakes him and says...

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You son of a bitch,
you moved the cemetery

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but you left
the bodies, didn't you?

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You son of the bitch,
you left the bodies

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and you only moved
the headstones!

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You only moved the headstones.

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And I think, in a way,
that says a lot about America,

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that we, uh... we moved
the headstones.

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But the bodies are still there.

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[whooshing]

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The spirit of "Poltergeist"

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lives on in
the "Insidious" series,

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which shows us an afterlife
filled with restless souls.

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Some friendly.

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Some deadly.

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[thump, rattling]

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Slow down.

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James Wan's film "Insidious"
is a ghost story

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for the 21st century.

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It delivers shocks, suspense,

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and genuine emotion
to audiences

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that may think
they've seen it all.

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[whispering]
Give it, give me.

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I want it.
I want it

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[screaming]
now!

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[baby crying]

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00:10:58,367 --> 00:11:00,703
[suspenseful music]

261
00:11:00,744 --> 00:11:02,538
It's a fun thing
to mess with,

262
00:11:02,580 --> 00:11:05,875
that suburban domestic bliss
that's supposed to exist.

263
00:11:05,916 --> 00:11:07,418
Can you go wake up Dalton?

264
00:11:07,459 --> 00:11:09,003
It's a fun thing
to get in there

265
00:11:09,044 --> 00:11:11,881
and rip that domestic
bliss away from a family.

266
00:11:11,922 --> 00:11:13,841
Dalton, Dalton.

267
00:11:13,883 --> 00:11:15,384
Dalton.

268
00:11:15,426 --> 00:11:17,428
There is no brain damage.

269
00:11:17,469 --> 00:11:21,849
"Insidious" is about
a, uh, mother and a father

270
00:11:21,891 --> 00:11:24,143
who lose their child

271
00:11:24,185 --> 00:11:26,812
to a place called
"The Further."

272
00:11:26,854 --> 00:11:27,897
[ominous music]

273
00:11:27,938 --> 00:11:29,899
What does that mean?

274
00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:33,402
The Further is a world
far beyond our own.

275
00:11:33,444 --> 00:11:36,322
It's a dark realm filled
with the tortured souls

276
00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:38,073
of the dead.

277
00:11:38,115 --> 00:11:41,785
A place not meant
for the living.

278
00:11:41,827 --> 00:11:43,579
And all these ghosts
that are crowding

279
00:11:43,621 --> 00:11:46,081
in this family's house are
trying to get into his body.

280
00:11:46,123 --> 00:11:47,458
It's an empty vessel.

281
00:11:47,499 --> 00:11:50,920
And they do everything
in their power

282
00:11:50,961 --> 00:11:52,963
to try and get
their child back.

283
00:11:53,005 --> 00:11:55,216
And that's really about what
you would do as a parent

284
00:11:55,257 --> 00:11:57,509
if you... if you
lost your child,

285
00:11:57,551 --> 00:11:59,136
or if your child got sick.

286
00:11:59,178 --> 00:12:00,655
[baby crying]
[dramatic musical flourish]

287
00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,973
[screams] Josh, Josh, Josh,
please, come...

288
00:12:03,015 --> 00:12:04,892
Twenty minutes
into the movie,

289
00:12:04,934 --> 00:12:06,560
when just as
the audience is saying,

290
00:12:06,602 --> 00:12:09,146
Why on Earth would you not get
out of this house,

291
00:12:09,188 --> 00:12:11,899
the, uh... Patrick Wilson says
to Rose Byrne's character...

292
00:12:11,941 --> 00:12:13,692
We're going.

293
00:12:13,734 --> 00:12:16,153
And they move houses.

294
00:12:16,195 --> 00:12:18,030
[foreboding music]

295
00:12:18,072 --> 00:12:22,284
And the haunting follows them
to their next house.

296
00:12:22,326 --> 00:12:23,661
- [doors slam]
- [gasps]

297
00:12:23,702 --> 00:12:26,080
[giggling]

298
00:12:26,121 --> 00:12:28,415
It's not the house
that's haunted.

299
00:12:28,457 --> 00:12:30,834
♪♪

300
00:12:30,876 --> 00:12:32,503
It's your son.

301
00:12:32,544 --> 00:12:34,046
♪♪

302
00:12:34,088 --> 00:12:35,565
So it doesn't matter
where they move,

303
00:12:35,589 --> 00:12:37,108
they're gonna be... they're
gonna be haunted

304
00:12:37,132 --> 00:12:39,218
no matter where they are.

305
00:12:39,260 --> 00:12:41,845
♪♪

306
00:12:41,887 --> 00:12:43,347
[dramatic thump]

307
00:12:43,389 --> 00:12:46,100
♪♪

308
00:12:46,141 --> 00:12:49,853
So they call upon my
character, Elise Rainier,

309
00:12:49,895 --> 00:12:54,358
who is a known ghost hunter,
so to speak.

310
00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,069
I think Elise is distinct
and unusual in the sense

311
00:12:57,111 --> 00:13:00,406
that, um, I'm not
a typical heroine.

312
00:13:00,447 --> 00:13:01,657
♪♪

313
00:13:01,699 --> 00:13:03,367
[dramatic musical flourish]

314
00:13:03,409 --> 00:13:05,369
[suspenseful music]

315
00:13:05,411 --> 00:13:06,829
[wheezing]

316
00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:08,747
This is how you die.

317
00:13:08,789 --> 00:13:11,500
Not today it isn't.

318
00:13:11,542 --> 00:13:13,669
[thump]
[grunts]

319
00:13:13,711 --> 00:13:16,088
[whooshing]

320
00:13:16,130 --> 00:13:22,010
♪♪

321
00:13:22,011 --> 00:13:24,471
Come on, bitch.

322
00:13:24,513 --> 00:13:26,140
♪♪

323
00:13:26,181 --> 00:13:29,768
What I tried to do was find
the places in myself

324
00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:32,771
of empathy, of reception.

325
00:13:32,813 --> 00:13:34,815
Elise is a really good
receiver.

326
00:13:34,857 --> 00:13:36,525
She's got a good radio.

327
00:13:36,567 --> 00:13:39,820
We have some help.

328
00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:42,156
Who?

329
00:13:42,197 --> 00:13:45,367
Someone else is here with us.

330
00:13:45,409 --> 00:13:49,163
Mom.

331
00:13:49,204 --> 00:13:51,224
You know, she's tuned in.
And I believe all people

332
00:13:51,248 --> 00:13:52,916
have that ability.

333
00:13:52,958 --> 00:13:56,378
I don't think it... it's just,
uh, assigned to a few.

334
00:13:56,420 --> 00:13:59,048
But we're ful...
so full of static

335
00:13:59,089 --> 00:14:02,509
that I think we don't hear
very often at all.

336
00:14:02,551 --> 00:14:05,471
We don't hear each other,
let alone another world.

337
00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:07,514
[whooshing]

338
00:14:07,556 --> 00:14:12,978
♪♪

339
00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:16,148
The first "Insidious" score
was a really great experience

340
00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:18,901
beca... it was... it was...
it's a very pure,

341
00:14:18,942 --> 00:14:22,196
very raw filmmaking experience
all around.

342
00:14:22,237 --> 00:14:24,573
[whooshing]

343
00:14:24,615 --> 00:14:26,200
both: [grunting]

344
00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:28,452
My friend found
this rusted out piano,

345
00:14:28,494 --> 00:14:31,038
and you flick a string,
and just this... just...

346
00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,083
eons of just crud
come flying off of it.

347
00:14:34,124 --> 00:14:36,019
It had been abandoned in
the alley behind his studio

348
00:14:36,043 --> 00:14:37,395
for some time
and they dragged it in there

349
00:14:37,419 --> 00:14:39,254
and I got to go in
and record on it.

350
00:14:39,296 --> 00:14:41,048
[rusted piano crash]

351
00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:43,801
So that made up a big part of
the sound of that film.

352
00:14:43,842 --> 00:14:47,304
♪♪

353
00:14:47,346 --> 00:14:50,224
We were so thankful when
"Insidious" was a hit film

354
00:14:50,265 --> 00:14:52,976
- and people really took to it.
- [screams]

355
00:14:53,018 --> 00:14:54,728
Death is the one
inevitable thing.

356
00:14:54,770 --> 00:14:56,397
It's coming for all of us.

357
00:14:56,438 --> 00:14:58,941
There's a human need
to answer that question

358
00:14:58,982 --> 00:15:00,567
of like after death,
and I think

359
00:15:00,609 --> 00:15:03,654
ghost films
feed into that.

360
00:15:03,695 --> 00:15:05,447
There's very little
we really know

361
00:15:05,489 --> 00:15:07,574
about the spirit world,
if there...

362
00:15:07,616 --> 00:15:09,284
whether you believe
in it or not.

363
00:15:09,326 --> 00:15:11,120
I tend to believe
in everything

364
00:15:11,161 --> 00:15:14,289
because I think we know
so little about so much.

365
00:15:14,331 --> 00:15:16,834
all: [screaming, groaning]

366
00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:19,420
[whimpering]

367
00:15:19,461 --> 00:15:21,004
[sheet ripping]

368
00:15:21,046 --> 00:15:22,631
[gasps]

369
00:15:22,673 --> 00:15:24,591
The "Insidious" series
and "Poltergeist"

370
00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:27,970
showed us normal families
bonded by a love

371
00:15:28,011 --> 00:15:31,306
strong enough to survive
a supernatural attack.

372
00:15:31,348 --> 00:15:35,102
But one of the greatest film
directors of all time,

373
00:15:35,144 --> 00:15:38,063
painted a much darker picture
of parenthood

374
00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:39,940
and the afterlife.

375
00:15:44,653 --> 00:15:47,948
The haunted house is
a staple of horror films.

376
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:49,825
It's usually
a sinister mansion

377
00:15:49,867 --> 00:15:51,743
where murders have
been committed.

378
00:15:51,785 --> 00:15:53,370
Or about to be committed.

379
00:15:53,412 --> 00:15:56,248
This house,

380
00:15:56,290 --> 00:15:58,417
it knows we're here.

381
00:15:58,459 --> 00:16:00,794
Two haunted house movies
loom above the rest.

382
00:16:00,836 --> 00:16:02,296
[suspenseful music]

383
00:16:02,337 --> 00:16:04,131
Stanley Kubrick's
"The Shining,"

384
00:16:04,173 --> 00:16:06,842
and Robert Wise's
"The Haunting."

385
00:16:06,884 --> 00:16:08,594
♪♪

386
00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:10,071
Usually ghost stories work
when it's about

387
00:16:10,095 --> 00:16:11,930
what you don't see.

388
00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:14,475
And so that's, in a way,
why I probably separated out

389
00:16:14,516 --> 00:16:17,936
what is my absolute favorite
horror movie of all time,

390
00:16:17,978 --> 00:16:20,439
um, which is "The Haunting."

391
00:16:20,481 --> 00:16:22,566
No one who
rented Hill House

392
00:16:22,608 --> 00:16:25,110
ever stayed for
more than a few days.

393
00:16:25,152 --> 00:16:27,070
I just think that's
the ultimate horror movie.

394
00:16:27,112 --> 00:16:30,073
The dead are not quiet
in Hill House.

395
00:16:30,115 --> 00:16:32,159
♪♪

396
00:16:32,201 --> 00:16:35,120
"The Haunting" is
about a group of people

397
00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:38,582
who are brought together
in this old, dark house

398
00:16:38,624 --> 00:16:41,752
to try to find out
what's at the root

399
00:16:41,793 --> 00:16:44,463
of supernatural spirits.

400
00:16:44,505 --> 00:16:47,758
The house is calling you.

401
00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:49,801
It's also about a woman

402
00:16:49,843 --> 00:16:53,847
who has had a very troubled
relationship with her mother,

403
00:16:53,889 --> 00:16:57,935
and who goes away to be
a part of this experience.

404
00:16:57,976 --> 00:17:00,979
Don't let me go.
Stay with me.

405
00:17:01,021 --> 00:17:02,898
♪♪

406
00:17:02,940 --> 00:17:05,943
"The Haunting" works so well
because we don't see anything.

407
00:17:05,984 --> 00:17:08,612
[indistinct speech]

408
00:17:08,654 --> 00:17:10,948
We don't see
the ghosts at work.

409
00:17:10,989 --> 00:17:13,659
We sense, we hear them.

410
00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,912
- [indistinct speech]
- Are you awake?

411
00:17:16,954 --> 00:17:19,414
Don't say a word, Theo,
not a word.

412
00:17:19,456 --> 00:17:21,458
Don't let it know
you're in my room.

413
00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:25,087
We are given
complete freedom in our minds

414
00:17:25,128 --> 00:17:27,339
to wander through the house.

415
00:17:27,381 --> 00:17:29,091
[gasps]

416
00:17:29,132 --> 00:17:31,718
And it is one of
the most terrifying films

417
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,346
because of Wise's instinct

418
00:17:34,388 --> 00:17:38,225
to focus on the faces
of those being terrified,

419
00:17:38,267 --> 00:17:40,561
because that is what
you're relating to

420
00:17:40,602 --> 00:17:42,563
and that is what is
informing your emotion,

421
00:17:42,604 --> 00:17:44,356
not the ghosts.

422
00:17:44,398 --> 00:17:46,233
Oh, God, no.

423
00:17:46,275 --> 00:17:49,653
The first movie that
terrified me to the point

424
00:17:49,695 --> 00:17:52,364
where I could barely look at it
was "The Haunting."

425
00:17:52,406 --> 00:17:54,616
I was probably 11 years old,

426
00:17:54,658 --> 00:17:56,660
and you never really
see anything

427
00:17:56,702 --> 00:17:58,829
- until that woman...
- When that door is pounding.

428
00:17:58,870 --> 00:18:01,164
[door pounding]

429
00:18:01,206 --> 00:18:04,209
The door kind of bulges.

430
00:18:04,251 --> 00:18:07,421
♪♪

431
00:18:07,462 --> 00:18:10,299
And finally,
she's going up this rattly,

432
00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:12,509
unsteady spiral staircase,

433
00:18:12,551 --> 00:18:15,470
and the trap door opens
and it's the professor's wife,

434
00:18:15,512 --> 00:18:17,347
and she goes, "Ah!"

435
00:18:17,389 --> 00:18:20,267
Ah!

436
00:18:20,309 --> 00:18:22,352
And I'm thinking, I'm dead.
[chuckles]

437
00:18:22,394 --> 00:18:24,980
I had a heart attack,
I'm never gonna grow up.

438
00:18:25,022 --> 00:18:26,732
♪♪

439
00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:29,735
Of course,
Stephen King did grow up.

440
00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:32,362
And 17 years later,
his second novel

441
00:18:32,404 --> 00:18:34,740
"The Shining" was adapted
for the screen

442
00:18:34,781 --> 00:18:38,327
by the legendary director
Stanley Kubrick.

443
00:18:38,368 --> 00:18:40,829
Like "The Haunting,"
"The Shining" is about

444
00:18:40,871 --> 00:18:42,831
- a bad place.
- [screams]

445
00:18:42,873 --> 00:18:44,749
And the terrible effect it has

446
00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:47,878
on the people
who stay there.

447
00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:50,505
Jack Nicholson
plays Jack Torrance,

448
00:18:50,547 --> 00:18:54,259
an unstable writer who takes
the job of winter caretaker

449
00:18:54,301 --> 00:18:56,511
at the secluded
Overlook Hotel.

450
00:18:56,553 --> 00:18:58,138
[heart beating]

451
00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:00,098
Is there something bad here?

452
00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:03,393
Well...

453
00:19:03,435 --> 00:19:05,896
you know, Doc,
when something happens,

454
00:19:05,937 --> 00:19:09,274
it can leave a trace
of itself behind.

455
00:19:09,316 --> 00:19:13,654
Things that people
who "shine" can see.

456
00:19:13,695 --> 00:19:17,115
Jack and his son Danny
have a psychic gift.

457
00:19:17,157 --> 00:19:19,993
A shining that lets
them see the ghosts

458
00:19:20,035 --> 00:19:22,579
of the murdered people
at the Overlook.

459
00:19:22,621 --> 00:19:25,040
Those ghosts terrorize Danny,

460
00:19:25,082 --> 00:19:27,876
while they slowly
drive Jack insane.

461
00:19:27,918 --> 00:19:29,920
[guffaws]

462
00:19:29,961 --> 00:19:31,963
Jack Torrance,
he's an alcoholic.

463
00:19:32,005 --> 00:19:35,550
He doesn't know
how to control it.

464
00:19:35,592 --> 00:19:38,637
And he blames his son
and his wife

465
00:19:38,679 --> 00:19:40,764
for his artistic impotence.

466
00:19:40,806 --> 00:19:42,849
Whenever you come in here
and interrupt me

467
00:19:42,891 --> 00:19:44,768
you're breaking
my concentration.

468
00:19:44,810 --> 00:19:47,813
You're distracting me.
And it will then take me time

469
00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,981
to get back to where I was.

470
00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:52,109
There's something about this
hotel that just wants

471
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:55,195
the people who go there
to murder each other.

472
00:19:55,237 --> 00:19:57,531
Come and play with us, Danny.

473
00:19:57,572 --> 00:19:59,908
[ominous music]

474
00:19:59,950 --> 00:20:02,994
Forever.

475
00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:06,164
And ever.

476
00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:08,333
And
ever.

477
00:20:08,375 --> 00:20:11,253
"The Shining" is filled
with the kind of iconic scenes

478
00:20:11,294 --> 00:20:14,339
you'd expect from one of
history's greatest directors.

479
00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:17,217
But Kubrick made many changes
to King's story

480
00:20:17,259 --> 00:20:19,136
that didn't sit well
with its author.

481
00:20:19,177 --> 00:20:21,763
I can enjoy it on the same
level that you could enjoy

482
00:20:21,805 --> 00:20:24,266
a beautifully restored Cadillac
without a motor in it.

483
00:20:24,307 --> 00:20:25,851
- [laughs]
- You know?

484
00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:28,270
My rap about it is
there's no character arc.

485
00:20:28,311 --> 00:20:31,481
In the book, Jack Torrance
goes from a nice guy

486
00:20:31,523 --> 00:20:35,402
who's trying to get better for
his family and for himself.

487
00:20:35,444 --> 00:20:38,613
And I felt like Jack Nicholson

488
00:20:38,655 --> 00:20:41,408
played Jack Torrance as though
he were crazy from the...

489
00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:42,784
Crazy from minute one.

490
00:20:42,826 --> 00:20:46,204
That is, uh, quite a story.

491
00:20:46,246 --> 00:20:48,123
Talking with Mr. Ullman
in the office,

492
00:20:48,165 --> 00:20:50,459
and Ullman saying this and that
and Jack's going,

493
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:52,294
- "Yes."
- [laughs]

494
00:20:52,335 --> 00:20:54,296
"Absolutely,
Mr. Ullman."

495
00:20:54,337 --> 00:20:56,965
Well, you can rest assured,
Mr. Ullman,

496
00:20:57,007 --> 00:20:59,509
that's not gonna happen
with me.

497
00:20:59,551 --> 00:21:02,137
And I also thought that
Kubrick had taken

498
00:21:02,179 --> 00:21:04,806
a pretty strong, scary,

499
00:21:04,848 --> 00:21:07,142
suspense, horror novel

500
00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:09,519
and turned it into an art film.

501
00:21:09,561 --> 00:21:11,188
I think Kubrick was doing...

502
00:21:11,229 --> 00:21:13,690
was trying to make
an anti-horror movie.

503
00:21:13,732 --> 00:21:16,026
He was intentionally going
against the grain

504
00:21:16,067 --> 00:21:18,028
of the horror tropes.

505
00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:20,864
You think you know
how horror is made,

506
00:21:20,906 --> 00:21:22,991
well, I'm showing you
how I do it.

507
00:21:23,033 --> 00:21:25,535
Counter to convention
in "The Shining"

508
00:21:25,577 --> 00:21:28,705
is the brightness
of the lighting style.

509
00:21:28,747 --> 00:21:31,500
And he's almost always
on really wide lenses.

510
00:21:31,541 --> 00:21:33,543
'Cause he doesn't do
that kind of horror,

511
00:21:33,544 --> 00:21:35,546
people don't pop out, you know,

512
00:21:35,587 --> 00:21:38,298
and stab you or whatever.

513
00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:40,300
It's much more psychological,

514
00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:42,677
so it works
for what he's doing.

515
00:21:42,719 --> 00:21:44,179
It's even creepier.

516
00:21:44,221 --> 00:21:46,348
[dramatic musical flourish]

517
00:21:46,389 --> 00:21:48,225
So much of the movie
is from the perspective

518
00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:49,577
of whatever character
you're with,

519
00:21:49,601 --> 00:21:51,853
so for Danny, it's one thing,

520
00:21:51,895 --> 00:21:54,773
for Jack Nicholson's character
it's this sort of unseen menace

521
00:21:54,815 --> 00:21:56,417
that sort of takes him over,
and Shelley Duvall,

522
00:21:56,441 --> 00:21:58,276
so she's a...
a ghost story freak,

523
00:21:58,318 --> 00:22:00,028
and it's like,
so in her mind

524
00:22:00,070 --> 00:22:02,322
the horror takes on
this cheesier form.

525
00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:04,300
And it's like, Oh... it's just,
everybo... it's all from

526
00:22:04,324 --> 00:22:07,244
subjective perspective, which
just makes it all the creepier.

527
00:22:07,285 --> 00:22:08,453
[tense music]

528
00:22:08,495 --> 00:22:10,914
Family is a great source

529
00:22:10,956 --> 00:22:12,874
for horror storytelling

530
00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:14,459
because family
is very intimate,

531
00:22:14,501 --> 00:22:16,837
family is very close to us,

532
00:22:16,878 --> 00:22:20,465
and family is very dangerous,
if you're in the wrong family.

533
00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:22,717
- Here's Johnny.
- [gasps]

534
00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,762
The Overlook Hotel and
this trauma-filled family,

535
00:22:25,804 --> 00:22:28,265
they just go together so well.

536
00:22:28,306 --> 00:22:31,852
It's a perfect location
for them to fall apart.

537
00:22:31,893 --> 00:22:34,145
Danny!

538
00:22:34,187 --> 00:22:36,648
And that's often the case
in... in haunted house movies,

539
00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:38,817
in movies about ghosts.
People who are traumatized

540
00:22:38,859 --> 00:22:40,378
end up there for one reason
or another,

541
00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:42,779
and the house is just like,
Yes.

542
00:22:42,821 --> 00:22:46,908
This is a person that's ready
to be affected and impacted

543
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:49,244
by unspoken darkness.

544
00:22:49,286 --> 00:22:51,371
"The Shining" featured
a boy who could see

545
00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:53,915
the malevolent
spirits of the dead.

546
00:22:53,957 --> 00:22:56,209
Two decades later,
"The Sixth Sense"

547
00:22:56,251 --> 00:22:59,963
told the story of
another haunted child.

548
00:23:00,005 --> 00:23:03,133
This time by ghosts who
were desperate for help.

549
00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:04,342
[dramatic musical flourish]

550
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:05,594
[gagging]

551
00:23:09,514 --> 00:23:12,183
[whispering]
I see dead people.

552
00:23:12,225 --> 00:23:15,520
Dead people, like, in graves?
In coffins?

553
00:23:15,562 --> 00:23:17,063
[tense music]

554
00:23:17,105 --> 00:23:20,191
Walking around
like regular people.

555
00:23:20,233 --> 00:23:22,336
There are many different ways
that you can tell a story

556
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,070
within the context
of a horror movie.

557
00:23:24,112 --> 00:23:26,364
And there's high-brow
and low-brow, like, you know,

558
00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:29,534
there are many colors
to the spectrum of horror.

559
00:23:29,576 --> 00:23:32,621
Cole, you're scaring me.

560
00:23:32,662 --> 00:23:35,665
They scare me too sometimes.

561
00:23:35,707 --> 00:23:37,208
They?

562
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:39,794
[suspenseful music]

563
00:23:39,836 --> 00:23:41,046
♪♪

564
00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:43,423
Ghosts.

565
00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:45,008
Supernatural thriller.

566
00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:46,770
That was what they called
"The Sixth Sense."

567
00:23:46,801 --> 00:23:48,970
And there were orders not
to call it a horror film.

568
00:23:49,012 --> 00:23:52,515
One of the scariest, most
brilliant films ever made,

569
00:23:52,557 --> 00:23:54,601
and they said,
"Don't call it a horror movie."

570
00:23:54,643 --> 00:23:56,770
It was like "horror"
was a dirty word.

571
00:23:56,811 --> 00:23:58,521
I'll show you where
my dad keeps his gun.

572
00:23:58,563 --> 00:23:59,773
Come on.

573
00:23:59,814 --> 00:24:01,650
♪♪

574
00:24:01,691 --> 00:24:05,236
Cole Sear is a
eight-year-old boy

575
00:24:05,278 --> 00:24:08,365
living in Philadelphia, uh,
with a young, single mom.

576
00:24:08,406 --> 00:24:10,241
He's a very troubled
and disturbed boy.

577
00:24:10,283 --> 00:24:14,329
And he runs into
a child psychologist.

578
00:24:14,371 --> 00:24:17,499
Think about what you wanna
get out of our time together.

579
00:24:17,540 --> 00:24:19,334
What our goal should be.

580
00:24:19,376 --> 00:24:20,710
Instead of something I want,

581
00:24:20,752 --> 00:24:22,837
can it be something
I don't want?

582
00:24:22,879 --> 00:24:26,091
And he tries to treat Cole,
and tries to help him,

583
00:24:26,132 --> 00:24:28,134
and he ends up
finding out that Cole

584
00:24:28,176 --> 00:24:31,554
believes that he sees
ghosts and spirits

585
00:24:31,596 --> 00:24:34,182
of people walking around
in day to day life.

586
00:24:34,224 --> 00:24:36,142
And they even
come into his home.

587
00:24:36,184 --> 00:24:38,436
Mama.

588
00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:42,148
No, dinner is not ready.

589
00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:43,900
♪♪

590
00:24:43,942 --> 00:24:45,777
What's great is that
when somebody like

591
00:24:45,819 --> 00:24:48,238
M. Night Shyamalan comes along
with "The Sixth Sense,"

592
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,115
he has the confidence
to slow it down

593
00:24:50,156 --> 00:24:52,784
and make it intimate, and make
it about the performances,

594
00:24:52,826 --> 00:24:55,787
and make you completely
invested in the premise.

595
00:24:55,829 --> 00:24:57,747
♪♪

596
00:24:57,789 --> 00:25:01,084
"The Sixth Sense"
was deeply soulful.

597
00:25:01,126 --> 00:25:03,920
The purpose of all the ghosts,
it's all about, like,

598
00:25:03,962 --> 00:25:06,589
resolving your
human relationships,

599
00:25:06,631 --> 00:25:09,759
which is actually more scary
than a ghost.

600
00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,887
[laughs]

601
00:25:12,929 --> 00:25:16,391
It was perfectly cast as well.
It was, like,

602
00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:19,352
an awesome, different thing
for Bruce Willis at the time.

603
00:25:19,394 --> 00:25:22,647
I can't be your
doctor anymore.

604
00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:25,066
I haven't paid enough attention
to my family.

605
00:25:25,108 --> 00:25:28,111
Poor Haley Joel Osment
was fantastic,

606
00:25:28,153 --> 00:25:30,989
who had this most
expressive face

607
00:25:31,031 --> 00:25:33,199
and pain and loneliness

608
00:25:33,241 --> 00:25:37,829
that's expressed so well
that he feels 40 years old

609
00:25:37,871 --> 00:25:39,539
rather than 10 years old.

610
00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:41,416
You believe me, right?

611
00:25:41,458 --> 00:25:44,586
Haley Joel Osment is from
another planet in that movie.

612
00:25:44,627 --> 00:25:48,256
And you're so drawn to... to
Haley Joel Osment

613
00:25:48,298 --> 00:25:51,634
that you can't help but...
but sympathize for the people

614
00:25:51,676 --> 00:25:54,304
that have died through him.

615
00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:55,764
[dramatic musical flourish]

616
00:25:55,805 --> 00:25:57,557
That shoot was sort
of my education

617
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,309
into a lot of horror films,

618
00:25:59,310 --> 00:26:01,078
because we were watching a lot
of things to see

619
00:26:01,102 --> 00:26:03,521
good examples of people
in frightening situations.

620
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:05,690
'Cause at like 10 years old,
you haven't really had

621
00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:07,609
a whole lot
of traumatizing experiences

622
00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:10,695
most of the time.

623
00:26:10,737 --> 00:26:12,113
What is it?
What...?

624
00:26:12,155 --> 00:26:14,824
[whispering]
Why did you leave me?

625
00:26:14,866 --> 00:26:16,117
[ominous music]

626
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:17,660
I didn't leave you.

627
00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:21,664
[object clinks, rolls]

628
00:26:21,706 --> 00:26:23,792
I did not see the twist
coming in that film.

629
00:26:23,833 --> 00:26:25,502
- I was so scared.
- No, and anybody...

630
00:26:25,543 --> 00:26:27,545
by the way, anybody that tells
you they guessed it,

631
00:26:27,587 --> 00:26:29,672
- they're so full of it.
- I so didn't.

632
00:26:29,714 --> 00:26:31,108
- Nobody gets is.
- Did you guess it?

633
00:26:31,132 --> 00:26:32,884
- No...
- Oh, good, I was gonna say...

634
00:26:32,926 --> 00:26:35,220
I can't even guess the ending
of a "Murder, She Wrote,"

635
00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:36,930
let alone "The Sixth Sense."
[laughter]

636
00:26:36,971 --> 00:26:38,389
[whispering]
Anna.

637
00:26:38,431 --> 00:26:40,225
[solemn music]

638
00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:42,102
Happy anniversary.

639
00:26:42,143 --> 00:26:44,187
It's a frightening movie,

640
00:26:44,229 --> 00:26:46,523
but the fear doesn't come
from ghosts.

641
00:26:46,564 --> 00:26:48,244
It comes from people
being afraid that, uh,

642
00:26:48,274 --> 00:26:50,211
they won't be able to
communicate with each other.

643
00:26:50,235 --> 00:26:52,671
So the movie is... communication
is the real theme of the movie.

644
00:26:52,695 --> 00:26:53,780
[ominous music]

645
00:26:53,822 --> 00:26:55,782
What do you think they want?

646
00:26:55,824 --> 00:26:57,117
Just help.

647
00:26:57,158 --> 00:27:00,036
That's right.
That's what I think too.

648
00:27:00,078 --> 00:27:02,747
They just want help,
even the scary ones.

649
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:04,082
[suspenseful music]

650
00:27:04,124 --> 00:27:06,209
Ah!
[panting]

651
00:27:06,251 --> 00:27:11,506
♪♪

652
00:27:11,548 --> 00:27:15,635
What sets Cole free
from his situation

653
00:27:15,677 --> 00:27:17,863
is when he finally figures
out that he has to be a conduit

654
00:27:17,887 --> 00:27:20,348
between people
who still need to, uh,

655
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:21,724
communicate
with each other.

656
00:27:21,766 --> 00:27:24,602
Grandma says hi.

657
00:27:24,644 --> 00:27:28,273
And even though Night does
some amazing things

658
00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:30,150
that really makes you jump
and... and create

659
00:27:30,191 --> 00:27:31,669
some really
frightening circumstances,

660
00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:33,736
I think what makes
the movie endure

661
00:27:33,778 --> 00:27:35,989
is that anybody can identify
with that sort of desire

662
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:38,533
of saying things to people
that you never got to say.

663
00:27:38,575 --> 00:27:40,618
She said

664
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:43,204
you came to the place
where they buried her,

665
00:27:43,246 --> 00:27:46,207
[stirring music]

666
00:27:46,249 --> 00:27:48,751
asked her a question.

667
00:27:48,793 --> 00:27:51,171
♪♪

668
00:27:51,212 --> 00:27:53,756
She said the answer is...

669
00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:55,675
♪♪

670
00:27:55,717 --> 00:27:57,802
every day.

671
00:27:57,844 --> 00:28:00,180
♪♪

672
00:28:00,221 --> 00:28:02,307
The theme of ghosts
looking to the living

673
00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:04,392
to solve unfinished business

674
00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:06,978
didn't start with
"The Sixth Sense."

675
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:09,147
Some of the greatest ghost
stories of all time,

676
00:28:09,189 --> 00:28:10,940
old and new,

677
00:28:10,982 --> 00:28:13,484
are murder mysteries
the dead want us to solve.

678
00:28:13,526 --> 00:28:14,986
[suspenseful music]

679
00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:21,242
[foreboding music]

680
00:28:21,284 --> 00:28:22,827
♪♪

681
00:28:22,869 --> 00:28:25,079
- She's mad.
- Ghosts can be terrifying.

682
00:28:25,121 --> 00:28:26,748
- [screeches]
- [screams]

683
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:29,042
But in some films,
the spirits of the dead

684
00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:32,086
aren't trying
to torment the living.

685
00:28:32,128 --> 00:28:34,631
They're victims
of terrible crimes,

686
00:28:34,672 --> 00:28:37,675
looking for justice.

687
00:28:37,717 --> 00:28:40,428
- [screeching]
- [screams]

688
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:43,640
Perhaps the greatest ghost
mystery movie of all time

689
00:28:43,681 --> 00:28:45,350
is "The Changeling."

690
00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:47,101
It's not as famous as
"The Shining"

691
00:28:47,143 --> 00:28:48,686
or "Poltergeist."

692
00:28:48,728 --> 00:28:50,688
But it deserves to be.

693
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:52,899
[suspenseful music]

694
00:28:52,941 --> 00:28:54,817
"The Changeling"
is one of the best

695
00:28:54,859 --> 00:28:57,362
American ghost
stories put on film.

696
00:28:57,403 --> 00:29:01,157
Very powerful. And George C.
Scott is terrific.

697
00:29:01,199 --> 00:29:04,285
George C. Scott
plays a composer

698
00:29:04,327 --> 00:29:05,912
who is dealing with the death

699
00:29:05,954 --> 00:29:08,289
of his young daughter and wife

700
00:29:08,331 --> 00:29:11,000
in a tragic car accident.

701
00:29:11,042 --> 00:29:13,544
♪♪

702
00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:16,130
George C. Scott
winds up moving

703
00:29:16,172 --> 00:29:19,592
to a vast, crumbling mansion

704
00:29:19,634 --> 00:29:21,636
that hasn't been
inhabited in years.

705
00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:23,429
And he's trying
to shake himself

706
00:29:23,471 --> 00:29:25,932
of his memory
of his daughter.

707
00:29:25,974 --> 00:29:28,559
And then over the course
of his stay,

708
00:29:28,601 --> 00:29:30,770
he starts to notice something

709
00:29:30,812 --> 00:29:32,772
trying to communicate
with him.

710
00:29:32,814 --> 00:29:36,401
At first, it's really subtle
things like a piano note

711
00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:37,902
playing itself.

712
00:29:37,944 --> 00:29:40,321
[piano note rings]

713
00:29:40,363 --> 00:29:43,032
It escalates into
pounding noises.

714
00:29:43,074 --> 00:29:45,159
[pounding]

715
00:29:45,201 --> 00:29:47,620
♪♪

716
00:29:47,662 --> 00:29:49,706
And so he starts to realize

717
00:29:49,747 --> 00:29:51,100
that there's something
in the house

718
00:29:51,124 --> 00:29:54,252
that's trying
to connect to him.

719
00:29:54,294 --> 00:29:56,629
"The Changeling"
feels very real.

720
00:29:56,671 --> 00:29:58,423
I think that's
why I love it so much.

721
00:29:58,464 --> 00:30:01,217
The way it handles
the paranormal

722
00:30:01,259 --> 00:30:03,886
is very simple and effective.

723
00:30:03,928 --> 00:30:07,598
[pounding continues]

724
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,934
It's the first movie
that, um,

725
00:30:09,976 --> 00:30:13,479
made a bouncing ball
absolutely terrifying.

726
00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:17,233
[ball thumping]

727
00:30:17,275 --> 00:30:18,943
So the ball comes
thump, thump,

728
00:30:18,985 --> 00:30:21,279
thumping
down the stairs,

729
00:30:21,321 --> 00:30:23,406
and George C. Scott
is freaked out,

730
00:30:23,448 --> 00:30:26,034
and he says, Enough of that,
and he... he takes the ball

731
00:30:26,075 --> 00:30:27,869
to the nearest bridge,

732
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:31,914
and he drops it 70 feet down
into the... the river.

733
00:30:31,956 --> 00:30:34,917
[ominous orchestral music]

734
00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:36,919
And he drives home
and he thinks, Phew,

735
00:30:36,961 --> 00:30:38,546
that's over with.

736
00:30:38,588 --> 00:30:40,107
And he walks in through
the front door and...

737
00:30:40,131 --> 00:30:47,131
♪♪

738
00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:52,911
You know, it makes my skin
crawl just to think about it.

739
00:30:52,935 --> 00:30:55,188
- Love that.
- What is your name?

740
00:30:55,229 --> 00:30:57,273
♪♪

741
00:30:57,315 --> 00:30:58,691
[whispering]
Joseph.

742
00:30:58,733 --> 00:30:59,984
It's the ghost of a young
boy

743
00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:01,903
who was murdered
in the house.

744
00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:04,572
What is your name?

745
00:31:04,614 --> 00:31:07,825
[whispering]
Joseph.

746
00:31:07,867 --> 00:31:11,662
George C. Scott understands
that the specter of this child

747
00:31:11,704 --> 00:31:13,331
has something to communicate,

748
00:31:13,373 --> 00:31:15,333
and he's afraid of it, and
he's afraid

749
00:31:15,375 --> 00:31:17,418
of what it will do,
but he's also curious

750
00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:20,213
and wants to help it,
because of his own loss.

751
00:31:20,254 --> 00:31:22,048
♪♪

752
00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:24,258
There's something about
heartbreak and horror

753
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,803
that go hand in hand.

754
00:31:26,844 --> 00:31:28,721
When you've lost a child,

755
00:31:28,763 --> 00:31:32,266
it's something
so deep and so painful

756
00:31:32,308 --> 00:31:36,145
that it either closes you off
completely,

757
00:31:36,187 --> 00:31:39,524
or it opens you up
to other experience.

758
00:31:39,565 --> 00:31:41,567
What is it doing?
Why is it trying to reach me?

759
00:31:41,609 --> 00:31:44,320
- John.
- Is it because of my daughter?

760
00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:47,115
♪♪

761
00:31:47,156 --> 00:31:48,783
I can't go through
all this again.

762
00:31:48,825 --> 00:31:51,744
I think a lot of ghost
stories are about wrestling

763
00:31:51,786 --> 00:31:53,704
- with the idea of loss.
- [sobbing]

764
00:31:53,746 --> 00:31:57,625
Trying to make sense of
the death of loved ones

765
00:31:57,667 --> 00:31:59,836
and... and what that means.

766
00:31:59,877 --> 00:32:01,587
What happens to us
when we're gone?

767
00:32:01,629 --> 00:32:05,091
If any of us were forced
to linger behind,

768
00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:07,677
uh, on this plane,
in the afterlife,

769
00:32:07,718 --> 00:32:10,596
it's probably because there's
some unfinished business.

770
00:32:10,638 --> 00:32:13,099
[tense music]

771
00:32:13,141 --> 00:32:14,934
♪♪

772
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:16,870
And "The Changeling" was
the first time I got exposed

773
00:32:16,894 --> 00:32:19,188
to the idea that ghosts didn't
just wanna scare

774
00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:21,458
the living [bleep] out of you
like they did in "The Shining,"

775
00:32:21,482 --> 00:32:23,484
but that they actually
wanted help.

776
00:32:23,526 --> 00:32:25,528
They needed someone
on the mortal plane

777
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:26,863
to actually help them.

778
00:32:26,904 --> 00:32:30,116
What do you want from me?

779
00:32:30,158 --> 00:32:31,909
I've done everything I can do.

780
00:32:31,951 --> 00:32:34,287
"The Changeling" is,
not only is it a horror movie,

781
00:32:34,328 --> 00:32:36,038
it's also, uh,
a murder mystery.

782
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,166
We wanna know what happened
to this little boy.

783
00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:41,210
And it introduces, uh,
sort of an element

784
00:32:41,252 --> 00:32:43,421
we've seen in a lot of ghost
story movies since then,

785
00:32:43,463 --> 00:32:45,715
where the ghosts
are reaching out to us

786
00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:49,010
to solve a mystery to help
put their souls at rest.

787
00:32:49,051 --> 00:32:55,266
♪♪

788
00:32:56,601 --> 00:32:58,519
[coughing]

789
00:32:58,561 --> 00:33:00,396
And it's a kind of theme
that we've seen

790
00:33:00,438 --> 00:33:02,398
in the films of
Guillermo del Toro,

791
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,818
where we really feel
the pain of the ghost.

792
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:08,946
Unlike "The Changeling,"
and many other ghost movies,

793
00:33:08,988 --> 00:33:12,533
del Toro lets you see
his specters.

794
00:33:12,575 --> 00:33:15,745
The ghost of a murdered child
in "The Devil's Backbone"

795
00:33:15,786 --> 00:33:19,665
is one of the most disturbing
figures ever put on film.

796
00:33:19,707 --> 00:33:21,518
Guillermo has this
incredible, like, sense...

797
00:33:21,542 --> 00:33:23,461
uh, visual sense.

798
00:33:23,503 --> 00:33:26,464
[ominous music]

799
00:33:26,506 --> 00:33:27,840
♪♪

800
00:33:27,882 --> 00:33:30,968
Santi, the ghost, empty eyes,

801
00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:33,221
and the crack
in... in his forehead.

802
00:33:33,262 --> 00:33:36,724
Blood coming out of his
forehead is shooting up.

803
00:33:36,766 --> 00:33:37,975
It's floating.

804
00:33:38,017 --> 00:33:40,770
Its physics abide
by the laws of...

805
00:33:40,811 --> 00:33:44,065
of the conditions
where he died.

806
00:33:44,106 --> 00:33:45,858
[groans, grunts]

807
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:47,860
[grunts]

808
00:33:47,902 --> 00:33:49,403
♪♪

809
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:51,989
Because he's... he's... he's
actually drowned.

810
00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:58,913
♪♪

811
00:33:58,955 --> 00:34:00,540
[dramatic musical flourish]

812
00:34:00,581 --> 00:34:02,875
But del Toro's
ultimate ghost movie

813
00:34:02,917 --> 00:34:06,128
is 2015's "Crimson Peak."

814
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:08,756
When the time comes,

815
00:34:08,798 --> 00:34:12,593
- you'll hear of Crimson Peak.
- [whimpering]

816
00:34:12,635 --> 00:34:14,095
By blending practical
effects

817
00:34:14,136 --> 00:34:16,722
- with powerful new CGI...
- [screams]

818
00:34:16,764 --> 00:34:20,101
He took Gothic horror to
a level of visual artistry

819
00:34:20,142 --> 00:34:22,061
never seen before.

820
00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,189
[screeching, moaning]

821
00:34:25,231 --> 00:34:26,983
♪♪

822
00:34:27,024 --> 00:34:30,152
[crying]

823
00:34:30,194 --> 00:34:32,780
"Crimson Peak" was my fifth

824
00:34:32,822 --> 00:34:35,908
of my six movies
with Guillermo del Toro.

825
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:38,578
When he calls and says,
"I want you to be in a film,"

826
00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:40,288
I don't ask questions,
I just say yes,

827
00:34:40,329 --> 00:34:41,807
and then I find out later
what it's gonna be.

828
00:34:41,831 --> 00:34:43,391
[chuckles]
'Cause I trust him that much.

829
00:34:43,416 --> 00:34:44,750
- [screeching]
- [gasps]

830
00:34:44,792 --> 00:34:46,586
[moaning]

831
00:34:46,627 --> 00:34:48,272
And then when I found out
you're gonna be playing

832
00:34:48,296 --> 00:34:51,048
two of my... of my five
ghost ladies in the movie,

833
00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:53,843
I'm like, "How's that, again?"

834
00:34:53,884 --> 00:34:57,722
"Crimson Peak" is about a
young woman whose father dies

835
00:34:57,763 --> 00:34:59,307
early in the story.

836
00:34:59,348 --> 00:35:00,516
[grunts]

837
00:35:00,558 --> 00:35:02,184
[groans]

838
00:35:02,226 --> 00:35:04,562
Edith is met by
a gentleman who says,

839
00:35:04,604 --> 00:35:06,731
Ah, I can... I can offer you
a better life.

840
00:35:06,772 --> 00:35:08,649
Come with me to England.
And so she comes

841
00:35:08,691 --> 00:35:11,193
with her dowry,
with her inheritance.

842
00:35:11,235 --> 00:35:13,988
Once she signs
the final papers,

843
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:15,740
I want this over with.

844
00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:17,742
But the house
that he takes her to

845
00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:19,744
is haunted by lots
of ghost ladies

846
00:35:19,785 --> 00:35:22,830
who might be
from a similar past.

847
00:35:22,872 --> 00:35:24,665
[growls softly]

848
00:35:24,707 --> 00:35:26,208
[gasps]

849
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:27,960
And he might've
done this before.

850
00:35:28,002 --> 00:35:30,087
What I love about
"Crimson Peak" was

851
00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:32,089
that the ghosts
weren't to be feared.

852
00:35:32,131 --> 00:35:34,925
The imagery might be a little
off-putting at first,

853
00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:37,219
but they were there
to heed warning

854
00:35:37,261 --> 00:35:39,430
and to help this... this woman
who was still alive

855
00:35:39,472 --> 00:35:41,724
not to become one of them.

856
00:35:41,766 --> 00:35:43,476
[breathing heavily]

857
00:35:43,517 --> 00:35:45,853
His blood

858
00:35:45,895 --> 00:35:49,148
will be on your hands.

859
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:51,524
[gasps, pants]

860
00:35:51,525 --> 00:35:53,861
Well, ghost stories
are always about the way

861
00:35:53,903 --> 00:35:56,906
the past casts its long shadow
on the present.

862
00:35:56,947 --> 00:35:58,699
[grunts, groans]

863
00:35:58,741 --> 00:36:01,077
[grunts]

864
00:36:01,118 --> 00:36:04,038
Faulkner famously said,
The past isn't over.

865
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,332
It isn't even past.

866
00:36:06,374 --> 00:36:09,043
The big bloodstain of the past

867
00:36:09,085 --> 00:36:11,962
lying across the present.

868
00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:14,465
"Crimson Peaks" ghosts were
victims

869
00:36:14,507 --> 00:36:16,175
of cold-blooded murder.

870
00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:18,177
[suspenseful music]

871
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,180
So is the ghost
in "The Ring."

872
00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:23,516
But this ghost doesn't
wanna help you.

873
00:36:23,557 --> 00:36:25,226
[television buzzes, screeches]

874
00:36:25,267 --> 00:36:28,104
It's a serial killer
from beyond the grave.

875
00:36:31,607 --> 00:36:33,293
Have you heard about this
videotape that kills you

876
00:36:33,317 --> 00:36:35,403
when you watch it?

877
00:36:35,444 --> 00:36:38,280
- What kind of tape?
- A tape. A regular tape.

878
00:36:38,322 --> 00:36:40,658
[suspenseful music]

879
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,368
♪♪

880
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:44,495
"The Ring"
is about a videotape,

881
00:36:44,537 --> 00:36:49,166
and if you watch it,
within seven days you die.

882
00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:50,751
[television ringing]

883
00:36:50,793 --> 00:36:53,212
♪♪

884
00:36:53,254 --> 00:36:55,631
Naomi Watts
plays a news reporter.

885
00:36:55,673 --> 00:36:58,801
And she's reporting
on this story.

886
00:36:58,843 --> 00:37:00,761
Essentially, she comes across
the film

887
00:37:00,803 --> 00:37:03,055
when doing her
journalistic research.

888
00:37:03,097 --> 00:37:05,015
[phone rings]

889
00:37:05,057 --> 00:37:08,561
♪♪

890
00:37:08,602 --> 00:37:11,647
Seven days.

891
00:37:11,689 --> 00:37:14,275
And just brings a tape home

892
00:37:14,316 --> 00:37:17,027
and her... her son
watches the tape.

893
00:37:17,069 --> 00:37:18,237
[television static whooshes]

894
00:37:18,279 --> 00:37:20,781
No!

895
00:37:20,823 --> 00:37:22,992
♪♪

896
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,327
And so now it
becomes also a story of...

897
00:37:25,369 --> 00:37:28,289
of not just a journalist
trying to dig into the story

898
00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:31,208
and find its roots.
It's a mother

899
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:32,710
trying to save her son's life.

900
00:37:32,752 --> 00:37:35,671
♪♪

901
00:37:35,713 --> 00:37:38,174
And it has this natural
time bomb structure.

902
00:37:38,215 --> 00:37:40,634
You see the video,
you know you have seven days

903
00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,136
before you're gonna die.

904
00:37:42,178 --> 00:37:44,305
Your life is gonna decay
around you,

905
00:37:44,346 --> 00:37:46,640
and steadily becoming more
and more like a nightmare.

906
00:37:46,682 --> 00:37:48,684
♪♪

907
00:37:48,726 --> 00:37:51,645
[coughing]

908
00:37:51,687 --> 00:37:56,275
♪♪

909
00:37:56,317 --> 00:37:57,985
[coughs]

910
00:37:58,027 --> 00:38:00,070
And there's nothing
you can do to stop it.

911
00:38:00,112 --> 00:38:01,864
You don't wanna hurt anyone.

912
00:38:01,906 --> 00:38:04,617
But I do, and I'm sorry.

913
00:38:04,658 --> 00:38:07,661
As Naomi Watts' character
is digging in and digging in,

914
00:38:07,703 --> 00:38:09,663
you realize that this child

915
00:38:09,705 --> 00:38:11,248
is what you have to be worried
about.

916
00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:12,666
She's the one
that will haunt you,

917
00:38:12,708 --> 00:38:14,186
and she's the one
that will come after you.

918
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:15,961
♪♪

919
00:38:16,003 --> 00:38:18,339
Samara...

920
00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:20,090
"The Ring" is a remake

921
00:38:20,132 --> 00:38:22,802
of the haunting
Japanese film "Ringu."

922
00:38:22,843 --> 00:38:24,720
[gasps]

923
00:38:24,762 --> 00:38:26,722
Though the plot is the same,

924
00:38:26,764 --> 00:38:29,767
you can see how differently
Eastern and Western cultures

925
00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:31,519
tell ghost stories.

926
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,854
There's a very specific
approach to fear.

927
00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:35,731
The Japanese films,

928
00:38:35,773 --> 00:38:39,735
all you need is a pale face
and long, black hair.

929
00:38:39,777 --> 00:38:43,864
It's iconic in a way
that has been for years.

930
00:38:43,906 --> 00:38:48,536
There are icons that, uh,
immediately induce

931
00:38:48,577 --> 00:38:51,997
shudders and goose bumps
to a Japanese audience

932
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,959
that would not necessarily
to an American audience.

933
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,211
♪♪

934
00:38:57,253 --> 00:38:59,171
[grunts]

935
00:38:59,213 --> 00:39:01,131
[horse groans]

936
00:39:01,173 --> 00:39:03,133
The U.S. version
of "The Ring"

937
00:39:03,175 --> 00:39:06,053
grossed $249,000,000,

938
00:39:06,095 --> 00:39:09,348
ushering in a wave of Japanese
ghost film remakes.

939
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:12,768
- [screeches]
- Ah!

940
00:39:12,810 --> 00:39:15,855
- [softly screeching]
- [whimpering]

941
00:39:15,896 --> 00:39:18,858
[tense music]

942
00:39:18,899 --> 00:39:20,651
♪♪

943
00:39:20,693 --> 00:39:23,153
The dark, brooding
Japanese horror style

944
00:39:23,195 --> 00:39:25,406
made its way into
Hollywood films,

945
00:39:25,447 --> 00:39:27,992
like Andrew Douglas'
2005 remake

946
00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:29,743
of "The Amityville Horror."

947
00:39:29,785 --> 00:39:32,496
♪♪

948
00:39:32,538 --> 00:39:34,415
We're seeing a lot
of Asian horror films

949
00:39:34,456 --> 00:39:36,250
- for the first time.
- [whimpering]

950
00:39:36,251 --> 00:39:38,879
We're kind of influence by
this new imagery.

951
00:39:38,919 --> 00:39:40,462
We hadn't seen it.

952
00:39:40,504 --> 00:39:42,089
[screams]

953
00:39:42,131 --> 00:39:44,383
The child twisted up,
stuck to the roof

954
00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:47,803
is very much a kind
of Asian horror image.

955
00:39:47,845 --> 00:39:49,722
♪♪

956
00:39:49,763 --> 00:39:52,099
But "The Ring" remains the
most successful

957
00:39:52,141 --> 00:39:54,268
Japanese horror-inspired
classic.

958
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:56,896
Oh.
[screams]

959
00:39:56,937 --> 00:39:59,940
Rachel!

960
00:39:59,982 --> 00:40:03,527
"The Ring" was, uh,
one of those movies

961
00:40:03,569 --> 00:40:07,031
that had so many
disturbing images.

962
00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:09,617
I just... I could not

963
00:40:09,658 --> 00:40:12,286
sleep for days

964
00:40:12,328 --> 00:40:15,956
after I saw that movie.

965
00:40:15,998 --> 00:40:20,127
And I watched a lot of TV, so
whenever there would be

966
00:40:20,169 --> 00:40:22,630
static white noise
kind of screen,

967
00:40:22,671 --> 00:40:25,174
I would... I just...
I couldn't deal.

968
00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:27,176
Ah!

969
00:40:27,217 --> 00:40:29,511
It changed
that whole image for me

970
00:40:29,553 --> 00:40:32,473
for the rest of my life, like,
to this day, you know,

971
00:40:32,514 --> 00:40:35,559
I... I would probably still
get a twinge of, like,

972
00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:36,977
Oh, [bleep].

973
00:40:37,019 --> 00:40:39,355
Ah!

974
00:40:39,396 --> 00:40:42,274
This is about the fear of our
own mortality, you know.

975
00:40:42,316 --> 00:40:45,903
About getting the diagnosis
that you only have so long,

976
00:40:45,945 --> 00:40:47,738
and not being able
to put the brakes on,

977
00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:50,115
not being able
to bargain for more time.

978
00:40:50,157 --> 00:40:52,242
[suspenseful music]

979
00:40:52,284 --> 00:40:54,995
Ghosts mean different things
in different religions

980
00:40:55,037 --> 00:40:57,790
and different cultures.
Some ghosts are benevolent,

981
00:40:57,831 --> 00:41:00,334
some ghosts are malicious.

982
00:41:00,376 --> 00:41:02,878
But there's always
that struggle.

983
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,048
'Cause what... when someone dies,
where do they go?

984
00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:08,342
♪♪

985
00:41:08,384 --> 00:41:11,637
I have a friend who says that

986
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,556
the people she knows don't die.

987
00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:16,517
They just are on vacation.

988
00:41:16,558 --> 00:41:18,018
Where's Larry?

989
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:20,062
Oh, he's in Rio de Janeiro
on the beach.

990
00:41:20,104 --> 00:41:24,233
Because they just are here,
and then they're not here.

991
00:41:24,274 --> 00:41:26,110
And that's why
we create rituals,

992
00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:28,654
funerals, memorial services,
to help us deal

993
00:41:28,696 --> 00:41:30,364
with the grief.

994
00:41:30,406 --> 00:41:33,784
And part of the grief is,
Where the hell did they go?

995
00:41:33,826 --> 00:41:35,744
♪♪

996
00:41:35,786 --> 00:41:37,955
Movies help you.
They're therapeutic.

997
00:41:37,997 --> 00:41:39,915
They deal with
"where did they go"?

998
00:41:39,957 --> 00:41:42,918
♪♪