1 00:00:03,470 --> 00:00:05,610 (hooves pounding) 2 00:00:05,610 --> 00:00:08,690 - October 26, 1878. 3 00:00:08,690 --> 00:00:10,930 The crack of gunfire echoes around 4 00:00:10,930 --> 00:00:12,950 Victoria's Wombat Ranges. 5 00:00:12,946 --> 00:00:15,326 (guns firing) 6 00:00:15,330 --> 00:00:17,540 Two police officers lie dead. 7 00:00:17,540 --> 00:00:19,800 Another flees for his life. 8 00:00:21,590 --> 00:00:25,300 Outlaw Ned Kelly chases down a fourth policeman 9 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:27,050 desperately trying to escape. 10 00:00:28,550 --> 00:00:31,040 Folklore holds Australia's most famous 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,160 bushranger to be a national hero. 12 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,600 But what if Ned Kelly was a clear eyed killer? 13 00:00:38,599 --> 00:00:39,719 (gun fires) 14 00:00:39,724 --> 00:00:42,474 (dramatic music) 15 00:00:45,102 --> 00:00:49,402 Our nation's history is etched with bushranger tales. 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,750 Stories of rebels and outlaws, 17 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:54,490 and those who fought against them. 18 00:00:54,490 --> 00:00:56,980 I'm a descendant of bushrangers 19 00:00:56,980 --> 00:01:00,310 and I really want to know just how true 20 00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:03,360 these epic tales really are. 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,750 So come with me and a team of experts 22 00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:11,150 as we unearth the truth behind Australia's most 23 00:01:11,150 --> 00:01:14,360 infamous lawless legends. 24 00:01:16,777 --> 00:01:19,277 (tense music) 25 00:01:22,020 --> 00:01:24,210 ♪ You say I am a murderer ♪ 26 00:01:24,212 --> 00:01:27,342 ♪ You'd kill me in my sleep ♪ 27 00:01:27,344 --> 00:01:30,084 ♪ 'Twas you who loosed the dogs of war ♪ 28 00:01:30,082 --> 00:01:32,922 ♪ Set in flame I'll keep ♪ 29 00:01:32,917 --> 00:01:35,407 ♪ Hide behind that policeman's badge ♪ 30 00:01:35,412 --> 00:01:39,442 ♪ And grip your judge's hand ♪ 31 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:42,409 ♪ I'll hunt you down and cut you up ♪ 32 00:01:42,406 --> 00:01:45,706 ♪ We'll see who's judgment stands ♪ 33 00:01:45,712 --> 00:01:48,382 (ominous music) 34 00:02:04,169 --> 00:02:06,919 (dramatic music) 35 00:02:09,970 --> 00:02:12,460 This region of Northeast Victoria 36 00:02:12,460 --> 00:02:15,890 is known as Kelly Country. 37 00:02:15,890 --> 00:02:18,120 And it was here over a century ago 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,150 that the Kelly Gang rode these ranges. 39 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:23,820 And for over two years, they held up towns, 40 00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:26,850 they robbed banks, and always claiming 41 00:02:26,851 --> 00:02:31,151 to be the champions of the downtrodden and the poor. 42 00:02:31,150 --> 00:02:33,670 But the debate over whether Ned Kelly is 43 00:02:33,670 --> 00:02:36,500 a true hero of the people or just 44 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:39,330 a murderous villain continues to rage. 45 00:02:41,618 --> 00:02:43,378 (dramatic music) 46 00:02:43,379 --> 00:02:45,379 (gun fires) 47 00:02:45,380 --> 00:02:47,710 Ned Kelly is most famous for leading 48 00:02:47,710 --> 00:02:51,850 a gun blazing shootout against police at Glenrowan. 49 00:02:51,846 --> 00:02:54,856 (gun cocks and fires) 50 00:02:54,860 --> 00:02:57,100 And for being hanged on the gallows of 51 00:02:57,100 --> 00:03:00,340 Melbourne jail when he was just 25. 52 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:05,620 Yet Ned Kelly is more myth than a man. 53 00:03:05,620 --> 00:03:08,420 Who's the real bushranger that many Australians 54 00:03:08,420 --> 00:03:10,680 hold up as a national hero? 55 00:03:11,820 --> 00:03:14,410 We know how his story ends, 56 00:03:14,410 --> 00:03:17,970 so we're on a journey to where it all began 57 00:03:17,970 --> 00:03:20,700 at a place called Stringybark Creek. 58 00:03:23,876 --> 00:03:27,126 (river running gently) 59 00:03:29,790 --> 00:03:34,470 Somewhere around here, three police officers were killed. 60 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:37,040 All the bullets supposedly coming from 61 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,720 Ned Kelly's gun. 62 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,500 Kelly claimed his intention was only to rob the police. 63 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:46,170 To take their horses, their guns, and their food. 64 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:49,510 But of course, that's not what happened. 65 00:03:49,509 --> 00:03:52,259 (dramatic music) 66 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,660 The story goes, that on the 26th of October 1878, 67 00:03:58,660 --> 00:04:00,500 Ned Kelly is on the run, 68 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:02,950 hiding out in the Bush with brother Dan 69 00:04:02,950 --> 00:04:05,150 and mates Steve Hart and Joe Byrne. 70 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:09,470 Kelly's been accused of the attempted murder of a policeman. 71 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:14,390 A police search party makes camp nearby. 72 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:18,130 Kelly attacks the camp, 73 00:04:18,130 --> 00:04:22,430 almost immediately killing a young constable Thomas Lonigan. 74 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:24,850 (gun firing) 75 00:04:26,980 --> 00:04:30,390 When the others returned from patrol, another policeman, 76 00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:33,000 Constable Michael Scanlon, is also killed. 77 00:04:33,974 --> 00:04:36,804 (gun fires) 78 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,290 A third constable, Thomas McIntyre, escapes 79 00:04:40,290 --> 00:04:42,940 seeing their leader. Sergeant Michael Kennedy 80 00:04:42,940 --> 00:04:45,830 being chased by Ned Kelly into the bush. 81 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:52,150 Five days later, Kennedy's body is found 82 00:04:52,150 --> 00:04:55,500 with a gaping hole in his chest. 83 00:04:55,500 --> 00:05:00,360 Later still, Kelly claimed it was all in self-defense. 84 00:05:03,457 --> 00:05:05,717 (dramatic music) 85 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,880 After almost 140 years, what happened here 86 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,120 remains shrouded in mystery. 87 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,200 Now, the "Lawless" team are here to search for answers. 88 00:05:19,090 --> 00:05:23,450 Archeologist Adam Ford has led major excavations, 89 00:05:23,450 --> 00:05:26,580 unearthing mysteries right around the world. 90 00:05:26,580 --> 00:05:27,630 It's a fantastic spot. 91 00:05:27,630 --> 00:05:29,880 Professor Roger Byard is a leading 92 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,720 forensic pathologist who's investigated 93 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,910 over 6,000 deaths. 94 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:38,970 And historian Dr. Kiera Lindsey is an author 95 00:05:38,970 --> 00:05:42,610 and scholar of Australian colonial history. 96 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:43,720 Let's go. Let's start. 97 00:05:43,721 --> 00:05:46,751 (dramatic music) 98 00:05:46,750 --> 00:05:47,720 Their mission? 99 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,090 To uncover fresh evidence into what really happened. 100 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,740 This site has never had a full scientific 101 00:05:56,740 --> 00:05:58,940 investigation until now. 102 00:06:02,510 --> 00:06:06,530 And Kiera has something new to bring to the table. 103 00:06:06,530 --> 00:06:11,200 - In 2008, an archivist at the Victorian Police Museum 104 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,850 was going through some scrapbooks that had 105 00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:16,910 belonged to Constable Thomas McIntyre. 106 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:19,270 The only surviving policeman from 107 00:06:19,267 --> 00:06:21,437 the Stringybark Creek incident. 108 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,080 And in them, the archivist found this document 109 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,800 carefully folded up in between the pages. 110 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,200 And when she opened it up, here it was. 111 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,030 A map! 112 00:06:30,033 --> 00:06:32,313 This incredible find. 113 00:06:32,310 --> 00:06:34,240 - It's rare to find something as significant 114 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,890 as this in an archive. 115 00:06:35,890 --> 00:06:40,210 This is documentary gold, because it is McIntyre 116 00:06:40,210 --> 00:06:43,930 explaining in great detail how the ambush 117 00:06:43,930 --> 00:06:46,160 at Stringybark Creek unfolded. 118 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,290 Each protagonist is noted like a chess piece 119 00:06:49,290 --> 00:06:51,220 on this piece of paper. 120 00:06:51,220 --> 00:06:53,670 We know the distances between these guys 121 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:56,270 and we know the trajectory of fire. 122 00:06:56,270 --> 00:06:57,870 This is extremely unique 123 00:06:57,870 --> 00:07:01,800 and for me it'll really help my archeological investigation. 124 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,110 - The record that Dr. Reynolds wrote 125 00:07:04,110 --> 00:07:06,610 after he'd examined the bodies after they'd been shot, 126 00:07:06,610 --> 00:07:08,820 and he's document that for the court cases. 127 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:09,800 He's documented the wounds. 128 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,670 And with this I can then try and work out 129 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:15,010 exactly a sequence of events. 130 00:07:15,010 --> 00:07:17,600 Were the stories that were told real? 131 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:18,430 Do they fit? 132 00:07:18,433 --> 00:07:19,273 Don't they fit? 133 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:21,980 And putting that together with the map is just wonderful. 134 00:07:21,978 --> 00:07:24,728 (dramatic music) 135 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:29,170 - Right up until his death, Ned Kelly 136 00:07:29,165 --> 00:07:32,245 always maintained that he was the one 137 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:36,000 who had to defend himself against the authorities. 138 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,150 He said the police were determined to kill him. 139 00:07:39,150 --> 00:07:43,570 Declaring that if they came upon us at our camp, 140 00:07:43,570 --> 00:07:46,050 they'd shoot us down like dogs. 141 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:49,700 But from the moment Kelly fired the first fatal shot 142 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:53,290 at Stringybark Creek, he became the killer. 143 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:55,010 So what really happened? 144 00:07:55,010 --> 00:07:57,670 Did Kelly shoot in self-defense? 145 00:07:57,670 --> 00:07:59,990 Or was it cold blooded murder? 146 00:07:59,990 --> 00:08:02,740 (dramatic music) 147 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,500 The killings at Stringybark Creek 148 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:11,200 had a deep impact on the families of the victims. 149 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,490 Leo Kennedy is the descendant of Sergeant Michael Kennedy, 150 00:08:15,490 --> 00:08:19,100 the senior policemen who was gunned down. 151 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:21,740 - [Leo] I'm Sergeant Michael Kennedy's great-grandson. 152 00:08:21,740 --> 00:08:22,760 - [Mike] How did you first hear about 153 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,160 the Ned Kelly saga? 154 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,440 - I'd heard the kids at school talking about 155 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,410 this bad person in relation to me. 156 00:08:30,416 --> 00:08:31,416 And I came home confused 157 00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:33,830 and said, who on earth is Ned Kelly 158 00:08:33,830 --> 00:08:35,850 and what on earth has he got to do with me? 159 00:08:35,847 --> 00:08:39,837 And then Dad basically sat me down and told me 160 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,230 that Ned Kelly was the murderer of your 161 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:44,500 great-grandfather, Sergeant Michael Kennedy. 162 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:49,340 A good policeman, a fine man, a father of five children, 163 00:08:49,340 --> 00:08:51,390 murdered by him. 164 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,130 - [Mike] The lawless actions of the Kellys 165 00:08:56,130 --> 00:09:00,060 stood in stark contrast to the lawful path 166 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:02,750 taken by most in the colony. 167 00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:05,480 This was a time of unique opportunity for 168 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,850 the working poor, following years of land 169 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:10,310 and class tensions. 170 00:09:11,390 --> 00:09:14,260 - When I think about this region in the 1870's 171 00:09:14,260 --> 00:09:16,920 I think about families living in small 172 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,620 blocks in huts with farms. 173 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:21,430 The land is not necessarily that good, 174 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:24,050 but they're working bloody hard to try 175 00:09:24,050 --> 00:09:25,490 and turn it into something and 176 00:09:25,490 --> 00:09:28,610 to live an honorable, if humble life. 177 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:31,640 But that sort of existence wasn't for everyone. 178 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,010 And you know, Ned Kelly and his gang 179 00:09:34,010 --> 00:09:36,840 had a reputation for being bush larrikins. 180 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,210 People who saw themselves above the law 181 00:09:39,210 --> 00:09:41,000 and certainly a whole lot better 182 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,490 than that kind of respectable way of life. 183 00:09:43,486 --> 00:09:45,486 (hooves pounding) 184 00:09:45,490 --> 00:09:48,820 - [Mike] The Kellys had a history of a life of crime 185 00:09:48,820 --> 00:09:52,220 that went back through the family for generations. 186 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,240 - The Kelly boys, they also were known 187 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,780 to have quite a talent for stealing and 188 00:09:58,780 --> 00:10:01,160 selling other people's stock. 189 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,000 And in fact, where we are right here, 190 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,880 this was part of an extensive stock-thieving empire 191 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,690 that sprawled all the way from New South Wales 192 00:10:11,690 --> 00:10:15,140 and all the way into Victoria. 193 00:10:15,140 --> 00:10:17,380 One policeman said that he had never seen 194 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:19,390 something so professional, 195 00:10:19,390 --> 00:10:21,870 that it was organized down to the final detail. 196 00:10:21,868 --> 00:10:24,368 (tense music) 197 00:10:25,770 --> 00:10:27,730 - [Mike] Kelly country is still home 198 00:10:27,730 --> 00:10:30,350 to many descendants of the family, 199 00:10:30,350 --> 00:10:33,820 including Ned Kelly's great-nephew, Anthony Griffiths. 200 00:10:37,780 --> 00:10:39,520 Anthony, what's it been like for you 201 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,680 as a descendant and your descendants, 202 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:43,290 being related to Ned Kelly? 203 00:10:43,290 --> 00:10:44,910 - It's pretty special, really. 204 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:45,740 It's just one of those things. 205 00:10:45,743 --> 00:10:48,503 We take it for granted, but every now and again, 206 00:10:48,501 --> 00:10:49,331 particularly when you talk to other people, 207 00:10:49,334 --> 00:10:51,214 you just think this is pretty special. 208 00:10:51,210 --> 00:10:52,150 It's pretty nice. 209 00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:53,250 - Was that a good feeling? 210 00:10:53,250 --> 00:10:54,080 As a young boy? 211 00:10:54,083 --> 00:10:55,753 - Some people had an adverse reaction. 212 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:57,820 You'd think, well, what's the problem here? 213 00:10:57,820 --> 00:10:58,740 I didn't do anything. 214 00:10:58,740 --> 00:10:59,570 - Hmm. 215 00:10:59,573 --> 00:11:01,903 - Um, especially as a child, 216 00:11:01,900 --> 00:11:04,090 that was a bit hard to relate to sometimes. 217 00:11:04,090 --> 00:11:07,500 - [Mike] What sort of shadow that's cast over your family? 218 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,500 - Well, my grandfather being Ned's nephew, 219 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,190 they basically couldn't go into a hotel 220 00:11:11,190 --> 00:11:13,140 anywhere where they were known 221 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:16,390 without people lining up to have a punch-on with them 222 00:11:16,390 --> 00:11:17,770 for the fact that, well, let's try and 223 00:11:17,770 --> 00:11:19,460 beat up one of Ned Kelly's nephews. 224 00:11:19,460 --> 00:11:21,070 And so from that perspective, 225 00:11:21,070 --> 00:11:23,910 they saw being a Kelly relative as quite problematic. 226 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:26,230 Um, it had direct impacts. 227 00:11:26,234 --> 00:11:28,734 (tense music) 228 00:11:35,420 --> 00:11:37,300 - Even though the bodies were recovered 229 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:40,290 within a couple of days of the ambush, 230 00:11:40,290 --> 00:11:42,990 the exact location of the police camp 231 00:11:42,990 --> 00:11:46,180 and even the location of Sergeant Kennedy's body 232 00:11:46,180 --> 00:11:47,830 was never properly recorded. 233 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:54,890 So this signpost declares that this landscape here 234 00:11:54,890 --> 00:11:58,020 is the official site of the police shooting, 235 00:11:58,015 --> 00:11:59,665 but no one really knows for sure. 236 00:12:00,590 --> 00:12:02,980 - [Mike] So you're saying that the official site 237 00:12:02,980 --> 00:12:04,000 could be wrong. 238 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,360 - [Adam] That's exactly what I'm saying. 239 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,850 - [Mike] Well. 240 00:12:06,850 --> 00:12:09,570 - This photograph was taken by a guy called Berman, 241 00:12:09,570 --> 00:12:12,330 who followed the police back to Stringybark Creek 242 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:13,770 to record the crime scene. 243 00:12:13,770 --> 00:12:17,040 But it also shows a number of little tantalizing features 244 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,340 of the location. 245 00:12:18,340 --> 00:12:21,270 You see these trees marching up the slope here? 246 00:12:21,270 --> 00:12:23,320 When you look at it and you look at this landscape, 247 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,150 they don't match. 248 00:12:24,153 --> 00:12:26,553 There is no similarities at all. 249 00:12:26,550 --> 00:12:29,060 So the more compelling piece of evidence, I think, 250 00:12:29,060 --> 00:12:30,510 is this. 251 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:34,080 It's a reproduction of a survey plan from 1884. 252 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,440 As you know, surveyors, I mean, their job is to be accurate. 253 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,210 So, for me it's a more reliable document 254 00:12:41,206 --> 00:12:44,306 and you can see here, it shows Stringybark Creek 255 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:46,090 and on the edge of it is that tiny dot there 256 00:12:46,090 --> 00:12:47,440 with the word hut. 257 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,420 And it says, quite unequivocally, 258 00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:53,490 the scene of the police murders by the Kelly Gang. 259 00:12:53,490 --> 00:12:56,460 But interestingly, it depicts the hut 260 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:59,000 on the western side of the creek 261 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,900 and we're here on the eastern side of the creek. 262 00:13:00,903 --> 00:13:02,433 - This is the wrong side. 263 00:13:02,430 --> 00:13:04,050 - I really think so. 264 00:13:04,052 --> 00:13:05,892 I think the signage is in the wrong spot. 265 00:13:05,890 --> 00:13:09,660 So what we need to do is we need to find that clearing. 266 00:13:09,660 --> 00:13:11,970 And we also need to find the footprints, 267 00:13:11,970 --> 00:13:14,120 or the archeological remains of that hut. 268 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,560 If we can do that, then we can find the location 269 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:19,250 of where the police were killed. 270 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:20,430 - How are you going to do that 271 00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:22,540 when no one else has been able to? 272 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:24,570 - Well, I'm going to employ a new piece of technology 273 00:13:24,570 --> 00:13:27,820 that uses lasers to survey this whole landscape 274 00:13:27,820 --> 00:13:29,800 and I think it's going to be a game changer. 275 00:13:29,799 --> 00:13:31,729 (dramatic music) 276 00:13:31,730 --> 00:13:34,580 - Can modern science finally identify 277 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:37,470 the true site of the police shootings? 278 00:13:37,470 --> 00:13:40,990 And will it help reveal what really happened 279 00:13:40,990 --> 00:13:42,530 here at Stringybark Creek? 280 00:13:45,916 --> 00:13:48,576 (water lapping) 281 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,450 This is said to be the campsite 282 00:13:52,450 --> 00:13:56,140 where three police officers were ambushed and killed 283 00:13:56,140 --> 00:14:00,070 by Ned Kelly and his gang almost 140 years ago. 284 00:14:00,070 --> 00:14:03,240 But mystery still surrounds the shootings. 285 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,620 Kelly claims he acted in self-defense. 286 00:14:05,620 --> 00:14:09,630 Other say he came here looking for blood. 287 00:14:09,630 --> 00:14:12,170 So I'm here with the "Lawless" team of experts 288 00:14:12,170 --> 00:14:14,210 searching for answers. 289 00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:18,480 And already, they suspect that this official site 290 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,750 may not be the actual crime scene. 291 00:14:21,734 --> 00:14:23,164 (gentle music) 292 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,420 The actual site has been debated by experts for decades, 293 00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:34,570 but Adam is the first to use cutting edge technology 294 00:14:34,570 --> 00:14:37,110 in the search for the true crime scene. 295 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:43,430 - These guys are setting up this big drone, 296 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:47,110 this UAV, and it's gonna have a LiDAR pod 297 00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:48,090 sitting underneath it. 298 00:14:48,090 --> 00:14:52,880 LiDAR is this really exciting emerging technology 299 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,740 that the archeologists can use 300 00:14:54,740 --> 00:14:57,820 to scan the landscape from above. 301 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:01,530 - [Mike] Adam is trying to locate a hut 302 00:15:01,527 --> 00:15:05,207 marked on an 1884 surveyors map. 303 00:15:05,210 --> 00:15:10,210 But first he needs LiDAR to reveal a crucial landmark. 304 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,050 - So what I'm after is for you to find 305 00:15:14,050 --> 00:15:17,360 this one to two acre flat clearing 306 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,740 that's described by McIntyre and Kelly. 307 00:15:19,740 --> 00:15:20,570 - Yep. 308 00:15:20,573 --> 00:15:21,843 - Where this police camp was 309 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,580 and where this ambush took place. 310 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:25,010 And it's somewhere in here. 311 00:15:25,006 --> 00:15:27,586 (upbeat music) 312 00:15:32,950 --> 00:15:35,120 Jeremy, what are we looking at here? 313 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,170 - So what we're seeing here is the three dimensional model 314 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:39,920 of the scene as the LiDAR is collecting it. 315 00:15:39,918 --> 00:15:42,498 (upbeat music) 316 00:15:45,130 --> 00:15:48,420 The lasers are firing at about 200,000 times per second 317 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:50,850 and any time that the laser hits an object, 318 00:15:50,850 --> 00:15:53,880 a part of that light is reflected back to the LiDAR 319 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,720 and is registered and geo-referenced back to the planet. 320 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,380 So the effect is, we see hundreds of thousands, 321 00:16:01,377 --> 00:16:03,867 then literally millions of points come together 322 00:16:03,870 --> 00:16:06,890 in real-time and it creates a three-dimensional model 323 00:16:06,890 --> 00:16:08,330 of what we're seeing in the world. 324 00:16:08,330 --> 00:16:11,330 - So what we're seeing up there, the big bug in the sky, 325 00:16:11,330 --> 00:16:12,480 is painting all that? 326 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:13,330 - That's correct. 327 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,100 The aircraft itself is just there where the crosshair is. 328 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:19,930 - That's extraordinary. 329 00:16:19,933 --> 00:16:22,763 I can see the road and I can see the trees. 330 00:16:22,755 --> 00:16:25,335 (upbeat music) 331 00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:33,380 - [Mike] The results are ready at Monash University's 332 00:16:33,380 --> 00:16:36,120 visualization lab called CAVE2. 333 00:16:37,460 --> 00:16:40,650 - David's the director of CAVE2 and he's helped me 334 00:16:40,650 --> 00:16:42,290 create this incredible image. 335 00:16:42,286 --> 00:16:45,556 (dramatic music) 336 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,610 Now, what you're seeing here is a visualization 337 00:16:48,610 --> 00:16:50,980 of all those data points that we collected 338 00:16:50,980 --> 00:16:53,870 up at Stringybark Creek using the LiDAR and the drone. 339 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,060 - God, it's visually sublime. 340 00:17:03,270 --> 00:17:05,310 - And hopefully when we remove the vegetation, 341 00:17:05,310 --> 00:17:06,950 the landscape is gonna tell us the story. 342 00:17:06,953 --> 00:17:10,613 It's gonna show me where that flat area is, 343 00:17:10,610 --> 00:17:13,330 the location of where the police were killed. 344 00:17:13,330 --> 00:17:14,420 Can we do that, David? 345 00:17:14,420 --> 00:17:16,210 - Absolutely we can. 346 00:17:16,208 --> 00:17:18,158 (dramatic music) 347 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:18,990 - Amazing! 348 00:17:18,993 --> 00:17:21,923 - No one has ever seen Stringybark Creek like this. 349 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,390 And what David can do is, he can take us on a ramble 350 00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:26,200 through this landscape. 351 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,930 You can get an impression and you can see the topography. 352 00:17:28,926 --> 00:17:29,756 - [Mike] Wow. 353 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:30,589 - [Adam] You can see-- 354 00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:31,432 - [Mike] Fantastic! 355 00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:32,255 - [Adam] You can see the slope. 356 00:17:34,270 --> 00:17:35,100 - You just wanna keep walking. 357 00:17:35,103 --> 00:17:36,633 I mean, I wanna walk. 358 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,200 - Here on this side of the creek, 359 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,980 across this little bridge here, 360 00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:45,430 is the location where the signage indicates 361 00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:49,090 that this is where the official campsite-- 362 00:17:49,087 --> 00:17:49,917 - "Official." 363 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,420 - This is is where the police were supposedly 364 00:17:51,420 --> 00:17:53,420 ambushed by the Kellys and killed. 365 00:17:54,290 --> 00:17:59,160 And what I'm looking for is an area of a flat ground. 366 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,010 See, I think around here 367 00:18:03,010 --> 00:18:04,610 looks promising to me. 368 00:18:04,610 --> 00:18:08,150 This area is the largest area of flattish ground 369 00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:10,140 along the whole creek line. 370 00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:11,650 This is my candidate site. 371 00:18:11,650 --> 00:18:13,220 This is where I'd like to drop a pin. 372 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:15,060 Can we do that, David, please? 373 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:15,890 - [David] Mm-hmm. 374 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,370 - The next thing I can do, though, 375 00:18:18,370 --> 00:18:21,710 is to compare that to the 1884 survey plan. 376 00:18:24,190 --> 00:18:25,590 Ah, this is looking amazing. 377 00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:26,720 This is great! 378 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,640 Look at this, this splodge here. 379 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,540 - Mm-hmm. 380 00:18:29,540 --> 00:18:34,450 - That is the location that the surveyor describes the hut. 381 00:18:35,660 --> 00:18:37,380 You see, he's got hut written here. 382 00:18:37,378 --> 00:18:38,208 - [Mike] Right. 383 00:18:38,211 --> 00:18:39,471 - And he's got this brilliant saying it's the 384 00:18:40,453 --> 00:18:44,973 scene of the police murders by the Kelly Gang. 385 00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:47,740 Well, the hut's the pivotal point. 386 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:48,590 It's the important bit. 387 00:18:48,590 --> 00:18:51,220 Because if I can find physical remains of that, 388 00:18:51,220 --> 00:18:53,400 then I can extrapolate the location 389 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,110 of where the police tent was 390 00:18:56,110 --> 00:18:58,290 and pinpoint the locations of where 391 00:18:58,290 --> 00:19:01,150 Scanlon and Lonigan were killed. 392 00:19:01,150 --> 00:19:04,570 We can solve the mystery of the actual location 393 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:09,330 of this event in 1878 and crucially, 394 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:12,040 we can perhaps give ourselves the best option 395 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,230 of trying to find the location 396 00:19:13,230 --> 00:19:15,420 of where Sergeant Kennedy fell. 397 00:19:17,421 --> 00:19:19,921 (tense music) 398 00:19:23,470 --> 00:19:25,320 - [Mike] To better understand the events 399 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,220 at Stringybark Creek, we need to wind back 400 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:30,810 to an incident that occurred six months earlier, 401 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,200 to the night when a constable called 402 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,460 Alexander Fitzpatrick arrived at the Kelly family home. 403 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,770 Kelly's mother, Ellen, was operating a sly grog inn 404 00:19:43,770 --> 00:19:48,550 from their house and the story goes like this. 405 00:19:48,550 --> 00:19:51,240 - Constable Fitzpatrick came frequently 406 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,760 to Ellen Kelly's sly grog inn 407 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,380 and had a particular liking for her grog 408 00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:58,490 and her pretty daughter, Kate Kelly. 409 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,340 - [Mike] Fitzpatrick intends to arrest 410 00:20:03,340 --> 00:20:06,840 Ned's younger brother, Dan, for horse stealing. 411 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,400 But it doesn't go to plan. 412 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:13,400 - What happens next is open to a whole lot of conjecture, 413 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,230 both then and now by historians. 414 00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:20,030 It's said that Fitzpatrick was perhaps 415 00:20:20,030 --> 00:20:22,550 just a little too friendly with Kate Kelly 416 00:20:22,550 --> 00:20:25,730 and that when Ellen Kelly came into the room, 417 00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:28,400 she tried to stop him by picking up the fire shovel 418 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,880 and whacking Fitzpatrick across the head with it. 419 00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:34,880 We don't know what else actually happened, 420 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,720 but everyone agrees that there was a struggle. 421 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,270 What we do know is that Fitzpatrick returned back 422 00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:45,540 to his offices claiming that he had been shot by Ned Kelly. 423 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:49,430 There was no conclusive evidence to verify 424 00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:51,300 that there had been a shooting, 425 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:53,050 but there was an injury. 426 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:57,010 And within a very short period of time, 427 00:20:57,010 --> 00:21:00,350 warrants of arrest were out for Dan and Ned Kelly 428 00:21:00,350 --> 00:21:03,790 for attempted murder, shooting a police officer, 429 00:21:03,790 --> 00:21:06,340 and arrests were made of Ellen Kelly 430 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:09,460 and two other blokes who were at the property at the time. 431 00:21:09,455 --> 00:21:10,775 (hooves pounding) 432 00:21:10,780 --> 00:21:13,440 Ned and Dan Kelly take to the hills 433 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,360 and are now officially on the run, 434 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,580 hiding out in the bush. 435 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:22,130 Ellen Kelly is arrested, still nursing her newly born baby, 436 00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:25,390 and she's sentenced to three years hard labor. 437 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,520 You can imagine Ned thinking about his mother 438 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,820 and his newly born sibling in jail. 439 00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:35,080 Such was his fury at the police 440 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,400 that he said that he would scatter their blood and brain 441 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,320 like rain. 442 00:21:40,460 --> 00:21:43,440 This was the catalyst moment that led to Stringybark Creek. 443 00:21:44,435 --> 00:21:47,475 (horses snorting) 444 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,370 - The charges that were laid against the family 445 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:51,900 were just completely outrageous. 446 00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:55,180 And they set then a whole train of events in action 447 00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:57,530 that I don't think anybody could have foreseen. 448 00:21:58,830 --> 00:22:00,350 If there was one thing you could do 449 00:22:00,350 --> 00:22:02,980 to unravel the whole Kelly story, 450 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:05,090 if you could reach back and somehow stop 451 00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:07,660 Fitzpatrick visiting on that night, 452 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:09,730 most of the Kelly saga would not have happened, 453 00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:10,560 I believe. 454 00:22:10,563 --> 00:22:12,433 (hooves pounding) 455 00:22:12,430 --> 00:22:15,600 - [Mike] Ned and Dan Kelly take cover in their hideout 456 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,420 deep in the Wombat Ranges. 457 00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:22,830 Supporters from nearby Greta bring them food and supplies. 458 00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:26,210 They also bring information about the police 459 00:22:26,213 --> 00:22:28,143 who are coming after them. 460 00:22:29,826 --> 00:22:32,576 (dramatic music) 461 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:37,570 Adam needs to find where the police made camp, 462 00:22:37,570 --> 00:22:42,570 searching for a hut marked on the 1884 surveyors map 463 00:22:42,650 --> 00:22:45,530 and the LiDAR technology has led him 464 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:47,380 to an extraordinary find. 465 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,490 - So this is the fireplace. 466 00:22:50,490 --> 00:22:51,850 - Yep, absolutely. 467 00:22:51,848 --> 00:22:54,508 (soil sifting) 468 00:22:54,509 --> 00:22:56,909 - We've had a couple of pieces of ceramic. 469 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:57,740 - [Adam] Yeah, that's-- 470 00:22:57,743 --> 00:22:59,043 - Well, it's mid 19th century, 471 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,980 so it's within the range, but um... 472 00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:01,980 - That's cool. 473 00:23:01,984 --> 00:23:02,824 - Yeah, it's-- 474 00:23:02,817 --> 00:23:03,647 - That sounds so good. 475 00:23:03,650 --> 00:23:05,880 I really think we're on it here. 476 00:23:05,883 --> 00:23:08,633 (dramatic music) 477 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:13,760 This is a very exciting day for me, Mike, 478 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,570 to show you the results of our endeavors. 479 00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:21,180 And as you know, our goal of identifying 480 00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:23,600 once and for all the location of the police camp 481 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,310 hinged on us finding archeological remains of this hut 482 00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:28,750 and we've done it. 483 00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:32,260 And what we found is a nice little domestic hut 484 00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:33,750 in the middle of this bush. 485 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:35,540 - So this is the coordinate for you. 486 00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:36,680 - That's right. 487 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,730 This gave us the crucial information we needed 488 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:41,270 to find this police camp, 489 00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:43,430 to find the location of the shootout 490 00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:44,360 and it's over here. 491 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:45,190 - [Mike] Wow. 492 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:50,720 300 meters from the official police campsite 493 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,820 is Adam's newly discovered camp location. 494 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,840 - We can now assert for the first time ever 495 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,560 that this location here is the site of the shootout 496 00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:08,300 and the killing of the police on the 26th of October 1878. 497 00:24:08,298 --> 00:24:10,968 (birds calling) 498 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:13,120 It's difficult, though, isn't it? 499 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,220 You know, you're here and it's such a prosaic 500 00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:16,690 and peaceful landscape. 501 00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:18,690 This is where people have their picnics. 502 00:24:19,797 --> 00:24:20,937 And for years everyone's walking around 503 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:22,540 in the middle of a crime scene. 504 00:24:23,550 --> 00:24:26,160 I think they're gonna have to perhaps move the barbecue. 505 00:24:26,162 --> 00:24:28,112 (Mike laughs) 506 00:24:28,108 --> 00:24:29,678 - I think so! 507 00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:32,360 You deserve a bit of a hug. 508 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:33,870 - Uh. (chuckles) 509 00:24:33,870 --> 00:24:35,060 Come in, then, big boy. 510 00:24:35,062 --> 00:24:35,902 (both laughing) 511 00:24:35,895 --> 00:24:36,725 - It's been daunting. 512 00:24:36,728 --> 00:24:37,558 Congratulations. 513 00:24:37,561 --> 00:24:38,391 - [Adam] Thanks, man. 514 00:24:38,394 --> 00:24:39,234 - [Mike] Just amazing. 515 00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:40,787 (dramatic music) 516 00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:44,610 The policemen had unwittingly made their camp here 517 00:24:44,610 --> 00:24:47,630 just over a kilometer from the Kelly hideout. 518 00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:53,130 Ned Kelly later boasted that he tracked their camp. 519 00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:55,110 He knew exactly where they were. 520 00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:59,760 So why did Kelly choose to ambush 521 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,340 rather than just make a clean getaway? 522 00:25:05,260 --> 00:25:08,100 What do you think Ned's intentions were? 523 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:09,940 To rob the police, to embarrass them, 524 00:25:09,940 --> 00:25:11,380 to steal their horses? 525 00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:12,980 - Well, getting their horses and arms 526 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:14,130 would've been a pretty good start 527 00:25:14,130 --> 00:25:16,180 'cause they were both well mounted and well armed. 528 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:17,010 - [Mike] Mm. 529 00:25:17,013 --> 00:25:19,523 - Something that were highly prized at the time. 530 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,620 I don't for a minute believe that he would have 531 00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:24,650 captured them just with the intent of actually harming them. 532 00:25:24,650 --> 00:25:27,630 I think it would've been more to the basis of 533 00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:29,850 embarrassing them, who knows? 534 00:25:29,851 --> 00:25:31,181 (tense music) 535 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:33,000 - These are big logs, you know? 536 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,800 They surprised me when we mapped 'em out 537 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,250 how large they were. 538 00:25:36,250 --> 00:25:39,130 - [Mike] Roger and Adam compared Ned Kelly's version 539 00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:41,880 of the event with Constable McIntyre's. 540 00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:46,120 Now they can plot his valuable map 541 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:48,950 onto the actual crime scene. 542 00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:51,880 - So according to McIntyre, he was standing here 543 00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:54,420 in this location, 544 00:25:56,940 --> 00:25:57,950 making some tea. 545 00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:58,780 - Right. 546 00:25:58,783 --> 00:26:01,813 - Boiling the billy for his mate Constable Lonigan, 547 00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:04,300 who was standing over here, waiting for the other guys 548 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:05,600 to come back from patrol. 549 00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:12,190 So we have Steve Hart at this end. 550 00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:18,210 We have Ned Kelly's younger brother, Dan Kelly, here. 551 00:26:19,737 --> 00:26:23,117 And we have Ned Kelly's best mate, Joe Byrne, here. 552 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,240 And of course, Ned Kelly himself standing here. 553 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,040 McIntyre, who's unarmed, immediately surrenders 554 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,130 and throws up his arms. 555 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:34,960 - [Roger] Mm-hmm. 556 00:26:34,963 --> 00:26:38,553 - But according to McIntyre, his colleague doesn't. 557 00:26:38,552 --> 00:26:41,962 Lonigan reaches for his sidearm, his handgun, 558 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,050 and starts to run. 559 00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:49,160 And it's about here that Kelly raises his weapon, 560 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,680 fires, and hits Lonigan. 561 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,790 And McIntyre says Lonigan then stumbles four paces. 562 00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:59,790 One, two, three, four paces. 563 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,000 Collapses to the ground and dies. 564 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,090 - According to McIntyre, Lonigan came over here. 565 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:08,800 He's running away as he gets shot by Kelly. 566 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,160 Kelly, on the other hand, says that, 567 00:27:10,157 --> 00:27:12,957 "No, I was shooting at him." 568 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,750 In fact, Ned's own words: 569 00:27:14,747 --> 00:27:16,367 "I called at them in to throw up their hands. 570 00:27:16,367 --> 00:27:19,787 "McIntyre obeyed and Lonigan ran some six or seven yards 571 00:27:19,787 --> 00:27:21,517 "to a battery of logs instead of 572 00:27:21,517 --> 00:27:23,407 "dropping behind the one he was sitting on, 573 00:27:23,407 --> 00:27:25,847 "he just got to the logs, he put his head up to take aim 574 00:27:25,847 --> 00:27:28,447 "when I shot him the instant he would have shot me." 575 00:27:29,577 --> 00:27:32,297 - [Mike] This was the moment when Ned Kelly 576 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:35,580 turned from horse thief to police killer. 577 00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:37,710 (gun fires) 578 00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:40,260 Kelly claimed he killed Constable Lonigan 579 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:43,450 only in self-defense with a single shot. 580 00:27:45,026 --> 00:27:47,106 (dramatic music) 581 00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:49,840 Roger and Adam have come to the Victoria Police 582 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,320 forensic lab to test Kelly's story. 583 00:27:53,316 --> 00:27:54,956 (tense music) 584 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,230 - His story is that he fired once at Lonigan 585 00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:59,290 because he was in fear of his life 586 00:27:59,290 --> 00:28:01,250 and yet we've got a number of bullet wounds. 587 00:28:01,248 --> 00:28:02,078 - Hmm. 588 00:28:02,081 --> 00:28:03,181 - In him. 589 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:06,930 So we've got a graze on the right side of the head there. 590 00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:07,810 - [Adam] Yep. 591 00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:09,600 - We've got a through and through shot 592 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,380 of the left arm. 593 00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:13,200 And then we've got the lethal shot, 594 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,890 which is on the inner aspect of the right eye 595 00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:18,040 and that's gone straight into the cranial cavity. 596 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,230 That would drop you very quickly. 597 00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:23,500 - So this is a replica of the gun that Kelly had. 598 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,180 I guess the question is could those wounds 599 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:30,960 have been inflicted by a single shot fired from this gun? 600 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,960 - It's interesting, because if we look at 601 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,350 McIntyre's memoirs, he says that Kelly had his rifle 602 00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:37,350 loaded with slugs apparently made by cutting 603 00:28:37,346 --> 00:28:39,096 a spherical bullet into quarters. 604 00:28:39,104 --> 00:28:39,944 - Mm-hmm. 605 00:28:39,937 --> 00:28:43,127 - So what we've actually got is a slug here 606 00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:44,550 that we've cut into four 607 00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:47,110 and people suggest that by firing that, 608 00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:49,930 it may break up and you'll get four holes. 609 00:28:51,369 --> 00:28:53,099 (gun firing) 610 00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:56,050 - [Mike] If it is possible for one shot to create 611 00:28:56,050 --> 00:28:59,790 multiple wounds, then Ned Kelly's story could stack up. 612 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,000 Like Kelly's gun, our test gun is an original 613 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,860 sawn-off .577 caliber Enfield rifle. 614 00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:17,860 Over 160 years old, they're notoriously unreliable 615 00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:20,400 and difficult to fire accurately. 616 00:29:20,398 --> 00:29:22,728 (gun fires) 617 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:24,890 - Blimey! 618 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,950 - That worked. 619 00:29:26,953 --> 00:29:27,793 - Whoa. 620 00:29:27,786 --> 00:29:28,616 Let's have a look. 621 00:29:28,619 --> 00:29:29,449 - Yeah. 622 00:29:33,995 --> 00:29:35,205 - No, doesn't look like it. 623 00:29:35,206 --> 00:29:36,136 - [Roger] No, we didn't hit it. 624 00:29:36,135 --> 00:29:37,405 - We didn't hit it. 625 00:29:37,413 --> 00:29:38,363 Where did it hit? 626 00:29:38,357 --> 00:29:39,737 That's something to look for. 627 00:29:39,741 --> 00:29:41,251 - Ah! 628 00:29:41,247 --> 00:29:43,057 - The back wall. 629 00:29:43,064 --> 00:29:43,904 - [Adam] Oh! 630 00:29:43,897 --> 00:29:44,727 - Two holes. 631 00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:48,910 We're at 40 yards, one hole, two holes 632 00:29:48,910 --> 00:29:50,640 and one in. 633 00:29:50,639 --> 00:29:53,369 So we've got three hole from one shot. 634 00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:55,410 We've got a spacing like that. 635 00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:56,420 - Yeah, yeah. 636 00:29:56,421 --> 00:29:57,721 - On top of the spacing like that. 637 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,500 I don't think we can discount the fact 638 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:02,640 that you can get multiple holes from one shot. 639 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,010 That's fascinating. - That's really interesting. 640 00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:05,140 - [Roger] Nobody's shown that before. 641 00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:07,960 (gun fires) 642 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,040 - [Mike] So it is possible that Ned Kelly fired one shot, 643 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,770 which would account for three of Lonigan's wounds. 644 00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:18,920 But the autopsy report raises another question. 645 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,890 - We've got this really curious wound 646 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:25,280 that's described here that goes from the 647 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,860 outer aspect of the left thigh, under the skin, 648 00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:29,130 and stops. 649 00:30:29,130 --> 00:30:30,750 And the doctor who took the bullet out said 650 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:33,150 it was a revolver bullet and not a rifle bullet. 651 00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:36,820 - [Mike] Could Constable Lonigan have accidentally 652 00:30:36,820 --> 00:30:38,850 shot himself in the thigh? 653 00:30:40,556 --> 00:30:45,556 (gun fires) (tense music) 654 00:30:45,692 --> 00:30:46,742 - (laughs) Well done. 655 00:30:47,851 --> 00:30:51,081 That is not what Dr. Reynolds described. 656 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,670 Yeah. 657 00:30:53,673 --> 00:30:54,513 - Look at that burn. 658 00:30:54,506 --> 00:30:56,166 - Yeah, the amount of soot staining there 659 00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:57,950 and it's gone straight through. 660 00:30:57,950 --> 00:31:00,280 So I think we can safely say 661 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,530 that Lonigan didn't shoot himself. 662 00:31:02,530 --> 00:31:05,200 So therefore, somebody else shot him. 663 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,450 - That's intriguing. 664 00:31:07,452 --> 00:31:08,292 - Hmm. 665 00:31:08,285 --> 00:31:10,635 - So we've made part of Kelly's statement plausible. 666 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,730 - Yeah. 667 00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:15,510 - But this says that he's still holding something back. 668 00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:17,680 - So we've got at least two-- 669 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,510 - Two shooters. 670 00:31:18,513 --> 00:31:19,833 - Two guns, two shooters. 671 00:31:19,829 --> 00:31:22,209 (tense music) 672 00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:24,190 - The evidence suggests that Lonigan 673 00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:26,980 was most likely shot as he ran 674 00:31:26,977 --> 00:31:28,547 (gun fires) 675 00:31:28,550 --> 00:31:30,930 by either Kelly or perhaps another. 676 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,000 But it's what Kelly does next 677 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,860 that really challenges his claim of acting in self-defense. 678 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:41,870 He doesn't flee the scene. 679 00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:45,440 Instead, he takes Constable McIntyre hostage 680 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,950 and lays in wait for half an hour 681 00:31:47,950 --> 00:31:50,220 for the other two policemen to return. 682 00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:54,050 If the first killing wasn't premeditated, 683 00:31:54,054 --> 00:31:55,764 (tense music) 684 00:31:55,757 --> 00:31:58,067 (horse neighing) 685 00:31:58,070 --> 00:32:01,550 then what was Kelly's intention in the second ambush? 686 00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:07,900 And was Sergeant Michael Kennedy killed in an act of mercy 687 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:08,730 or murder? 688 00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:12,450 (tense music) 689 00:32:14,778 --> 00:32:17,358 (gentle music) 690 00:32:21,650 --> 00:32:24,100 Stringybark Creek, 1878. 691 00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:28,130 The bodies of police officers Lonigan and Scanlon 692 00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:30,890 were found gunned down in their camp. 693 00:32:30,890 --> 00:32:33,790 But their leader, Sergeant Michael Kennedy, 694 00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:35,610 had disappeared. 695 00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:38,300 Ned Kelly later claimed he followed 696 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,960 the mortally wounded father of five 697 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,520 into the bush and shot him as an act of mercy. 698 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,400 But no one knows if that's the truth. 699 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,520 So can the "Lawless" team shed new light 700 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,920 on what actually did happen to Sergeant Kennedy? 701 00:32:54,919 --> 00:32:57,419 (tense music) 702 00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:05,350 Roger is searching for clues to how Michael Kennedy died. 703 00:33:06,275 --> 00:33:07,805 - So what we've got here is we've got Kelly's statement 704 00:33:07,810 --> 00:33:10,020 about what happened with Sergeant Kennedy. 705 00:33:10,017 --> 00:33:12,507 And he says "I shot him in the armpit and 706 00:33:12,507 --> 00:33:14,647 "he dropped his revolver and ran." 707 00:33:14,648 --> 00:33:16,418 (gun fires) 708 00:33:16,417 --> 00:33:17,787 "I fired again with the gun 709 00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:19,577 "as he slowed around to surrender. 710 00:33:19,577 --> 00:33:21,517 "the bullet passed through the right side of his chest 711 00:33:21,517 --> 00:33:24,827 "and he could not live or I would have let him go." 712 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:28,490 - So in your opinion could Sergeant Kennedy 713 00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:30,010 have survived those wounds? 714 00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:32,310 - I think the problem, Mike, is we don't know 715 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:33,740 the extent of the injuries. 716 00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:36,000 You can be shot in the chest and survive very easily 717 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,830 or else you can die very quickly. 718 00:33:39,089 --> 00:33:40,569 If Ned had been a reasonable bloke, 719 00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:41,870 surely the thing to do would have been 720 00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:44,570 put Kennedy on a horse and send him back to Mansfield 721 00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:46,470 to give him some chance of survival. 722 00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:49,290 - And yet there are later claims 723 00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:53,780 that Kelly shot him as a mercy killing. 724 00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:54,610 - That's interesting, actually. 725 00:33:54,613 --> 00:33:58,663 We do have Samuel Reynolds, the doctor's testimony. 726 00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:00,480 What Reynolds says is there is a large wound 727 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,210 in the center of the sternum, that's the chest bone, 728 00:34:03,207 --> 00:34:05,417 "which I believe was caused by a charge of shot 729 00:34:05,417 --> 00:34:07,677 "fired at a very short range, 730 00:34:07,677 --> 00:34:09,447 "which passed completely through the body 731 00:34:09,447 --> 00:34:10,687 "and out of the back." 732 00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:12,810 And he says it was a charge of heavy shot. 733 00:34:12,810 --> 00:34:14,170 So a wound like that is something 734 00:34:14,170 --> 00:34:15,710 you can probably put your fist into 735 00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:18,700 that would cause almost immediate death. 736 00:34:18,697 --> 00:34:20,907 (dramatic music) 737 00:34:20,911 --> 00:34:23,241 (gun fires) 738 00:34:27,807 --> 00:34:30,097 - I cannot see that as a mercy killing. 739 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,690 He only made that statement after he'd gone around 740 00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:36,360 and bragged for weeks on end about 741 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,660 he'd blown away the police. 742 00:34:38,660 --> 00:34:42,610 Showing off my great-grandfather's watch as a trophy, 743 00:34:42,610 --> 00:34:45,050 held it up to people and said he took this 744 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:47,500 from Sergeant Kennedy when he took his life. 745 00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:49,580 I don't think so. 746 00:34:49,583 --> 00:34:52,253 You do not go around after you've stolen 747 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:54,940 from someone's body, robbed them, 748 00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:57,920 and then claim you've done a mercy killing. 749 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,270 Cannot believe it. 750 00:35:01,030 --> 00:35:03,530 (tense music) 751 00:35:08,767 --> 00:35:10,077 - [Adam] We've only got those two-- 752 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:10,910 - [Leo] Two references. 753 00:35:10,913 --> 00:35:12,563 - [Adam] Two vague references. 754 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,120 - [Mike] Sergeant Michael Kennedy's body was found 755 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,770 by a search party a quarter of a mile 756 00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:20,500 northwest of the police camp. 757 00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:22,930 Now that he knows the camp location, 758 00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:26,240 Adam leads Leo to the place where he believes 759 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,380 Leo's great-grandfather was killed. 760 00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:32,910 - So we've done, you know, about 400 meters, roughly. 761 00:35:32,912 --> 00:35:33,752 - [Leo] Yes. 762 00:35:33,745 --> 00:35:35,955 - And now we've gotta go in this direction. 763 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,290 - [Leo] Till we line up and get the angle right, 764 00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:39,620 so it's actually northwest. 765 00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:40,730 - Absolutely so. 766 00:35:43,548 --> 00:35:45,018 So just come through here, Leo. 767 00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:50,590 (gentle music) 768 00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:02,490 So, Leo, my team have been working for weeks on this task. 769 00:36:02,490 --> 00:36:05,180 Somewhere near where we are standing 770 00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:07,390 is where your great-grandfather was killed. 771 00:36:11,641 --> 00:36:14,141 (tense music) 772 00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:22,880 - Shot through the heart, facing his killer. 773 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,370 Shocking way to go for someone who was so 774 00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:28,170 highly respected and did so much for others. 775 00:36:28,167 --> 00:36:30,747 (gentle music) 776 00:36:47,530 --> 00:36:50,530 - How do you think your family will feel 777 00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:54,010 knowing that this site has been kind of identified? 778 00:36:54,010 --> 00:36:57,610 - I believe my family will get some closure out of this. 779 00:36:57,610 --> 00:37:01,730 They will have a place to come and pay their respects. 780 00:37:01,730 --> 00:37:02,560 Finally. 781 00:37:03,633 --> 00:37:05,173 (dramatic music) 782 00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:07,810 - [Mike] The legend of Ned Kelly still cuts deep 783 00:37:07,810 --> 00:37:09,650 for families of his victims. 784 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560 As well as stirring equally strong passions 785 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,330 for Kelly fans. 786 00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:17,690 (tattoo needle buzzing) 787 00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:21,320 Roger's seen more than his fair share of dead bodies 788 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,100 and he's published a study showing those with 789 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:28,450 Ned Kelly tattoos are nearly eight times more likely 790 00:37:28,450 --> 00:37:32,380 than the average forensic case to have been murdered. 791 00:37:32,376 --> 00:37:35,786 (tattoo needle buzzing) 792 00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:37,450 - Most of these, they're all males. 793 00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:38,650 They're in their thirties. 794 00:37:38,647 --> 00:37:39,477 - Right. 795 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,260 - And they've died violent deaths. 796 00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:43,270 Suicides, homicides, accidents. 797 00:37:43,265 --> 00:37:45,055 (tattoo needle buzzing) 798 00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:47,500 So why are you getting a Ned Kelly tattoo? 799 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:49,940 - I've had a passion for the Kelly story 800 00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:52,340 since about the age of five or six. 801 00:37:52,335 --> 00:37:53,725 (tattoo needle buzzing) 802 00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:58,310 His story still encapsulates the Australian spirit 803 00:37:58,310 --> 00:38:01,430 in the way of mateship, love for family. 804 00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:02,700 (tattoo needle buzzing) 805 00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:06,280 A lot of my own personal story I can relate through 806 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,880 with Ned Kelly's, growing up poor, 807 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,320 of standing against authorities. 808 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,930 I was bullied throughout my primary school 809 00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:14,640 and high school years, so the Kelly story 810 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,380 is what gave me the strength to keep going, you know? 811 00:38:17,379 --> 00:38:18,329 - So you really identify with him? 812 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:19,780 - Yeah. - Yeah. 813 00:38:19,780 --> 00:38:21,030 (gentle music) 814 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:23,540 - [Mike] Ned Kelly's stand against authority 815 00:38:23,539 --> 00:38:26,519 has historical echoes. 816 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,620 Kiera's research has led to a unique theory 817 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:32,100 that may link Kelly to the infamous 818 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,940 rebel gangs of rural Ireland, 819 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:38,720 men considered heroes by the poor and persecuted. 820 00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:43,280 - These gangs are known as the Whiteboys 821 00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:46,279 and they would use incredible violence 822 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,920 to hold the district in control. 823 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,260 They wanted the Protestants and they wanted 824 00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:55,410 the local authorities out of their district 825 00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:57,490 because they saw these people as corrupt. 826 00:38:58,370 --> 00:39:00,990 They would write these fabulous documents 827 00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:03,900 that are known as threatening notices 828 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:06,500 and they would describe the kind of violence 829 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:08,650 that they were gonna perpetrate against these people 830 00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:10,230 in lurid detail: 831 00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:12,090 And if my orders are not obeyed, 832 00:39:13,627 --> 00:39:15,057 I'm coming to get you. 833 00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:19,430 We turn to the Jerilderie letter, 834 00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:20,800 which was written by Ned Kelly, 835 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,880 or dictated by him, actually, 836 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,220 three months after Stringybark. 837 00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:27,540 There's a lot of similarities between 838 00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:29,470 Kelly's Jerilderie letter and 839 00:39:29,470 --> 00:39:31,370 the Whiteboy threatening notices. 840 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,990 It seethes with rage and menace. 841 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:41,440 Those famous words that we've all heard so many times, 842 00:39:41,437 --> 00:39:44,347 "I am a widow's son, outlawed, 843 00:39:44,347 --> 00:39:47,797 "and my orders must be obeyed." 844 00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:53,630 He may even has seen himself as a Whiteboy, 845 00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:57,940 persecuted, and with that sense of being persecuted, 846 00:39:57,940 --> 00:40:00,340 he would've been like those Whiteboys, 847 00:40:00,340 --> 00:40:04,330 prepared to perpetrate devastating violence. 848 00:40:04,333 --> 00:40:07,033 (guns firing) 849 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:09,520 - After the killings at Stringybark Creek, 850 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,080 Ned Kelly and his gang are on the run, 851 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,980 robbing banks and evading police for 18 months. 852 00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:18,850 Then, Kelly comes up with a plan 853 00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:21,390 where by his own admission, 854 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:24,170 he was preparing to commit mass murder. 855 00:40:28,123 --> 00:40:29,623 (birds calling) 856 00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:32,920 18 months after the killings at Stringybark Creek, 857 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,610 Ned Kelly's story comes to a head 858 00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:37,540 (tense music) 859 00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:41,620 when he plans another attack on police at Glenrowan. 860 00:40:41,617 --> 00:40:43,727 (train chugging) 861 00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:47,630 Kelly's plan was to lure a train through here at Glenrowan, 862 00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:51,170 carrying police officers and Aboriginal trackers 863 00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:53,990 on their way to stop him and his gang. 864 00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:58,650 Among the 24 people on board were also journalists 865 00:40:58,650 --> 00:41:00,560 and civilians. 866 00:41:00,556 --> 00:41:03,296 (tense music) 867 00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:06,530 Ned Kelly admitted he forced rail workers 868 00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:09,230 to pull up a section of the track. 869 00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:10,510 His intention? 870 00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:14,470 To derail the train, killing everyone on board. 871 00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:18,360 It was right here where the train was supposed to 872 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,360 crash off the tracks and careen into this ravine. 873 00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:26,570 And had the plan succeeded, we wouldn't be debating 874 00:41:26,570 --> 00:41:28,660 Ned Kelly's hero status. 875 00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:31,280 We'd be talking about one of the most horrific 876 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,760 mass murders in Australia's history. 877 00:41:37,650 --> 00:41:39,330 But that's not what happened. 878 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:42,850 The train was delayed and the police were tipped off. 879 00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:49,870 The game was up for Ned Kelly and his gang. 880 00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:54,400 - So, Mike, we're in the heart of Glenrowan here 881 00:41:54,403 --> 00:41:58,783 and the Kelly Gang ended up here at the Ann Jones Inn. 882 00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:00,760 - [Mike] Adam knows this site well, 883 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,870 having led a major excavation here in 2008. 884 00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:08,800 And it's here where Kelly was forced to make his last stand 885 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,960 against the police. 886 00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:15,360 - Thus begins this long, protracted and violent siege. 887 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,110 The siege goes on all night. 888 00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:21,250 First light of dawn, this wraith, 889 00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,850 this amazing character, comes out of the mist 890 00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:27,720 wearing a full armor and the big long coat 891 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,290 and he goes at this point from being a bushranger 892 00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:32,510 to this substance of legend. 893 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:35,960 Firing two pistols at the police, 894 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,050 they turn around and start firing at him. 895 00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:41,250 Eventually, he gets shot in the legs 896 00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:42,770 and he falls and collapses 897 00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:45,970 and 50 meters there, Kelly is captured, 898 00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:48,230 the police setting fire to the inn. 899 00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:52,040 This is a photo taken of the last moments 900 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,010 at the time where Dan Kelly and Steve Hart are dying. 901 00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:59,730 You know, look at it now, it just seems so suburban 902 00:42:59,730 --> 00:43:00,900 and yet, you know, 903 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:03,900 it's one of the most important parts of Australia's history. 904 00:43:06,310 --> 00:43:09,500 - [Mike] Ned Kelly was captured and taken to Melbourne 905 00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,260 to stand trial. 906 00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:13,740 But not for the shootout at Glenrowan 907 00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:16,610 or even attempting to derail the train. 908 00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:24,990 On November 11, 1880, Ned Kelly was hanged 909 00:43:24,990 --> 00:43:29,150 for the murder of Constable Lonigan at Stringybark Creek, 910 00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:32,510 claiming it was self-defense till the very end. 911 00:43:37,947 --> 00:43:40,117 (gentle music) 912 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,120 The echoes of the killings at Stringybark Creek 913 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,360 continue to resonate today. 914 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:50,130 Now, for the first time, the descendants of both 915 00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:53,700 the Kelly and Kennedy families are coming together. 916 00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:59,630 Meeting here at the scene of the crime 917 00:43:59,630 --> 00:44:02,370 to learn what the "Lawless" team have uncovered. 918 00:44:04,110 --> 00:44:05,430 Hey, Leo. 919 00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:06,460 - Hello, Mike, how are you going? 920 00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:07,290 - I'm well, mate, welcome. 921 00:44:07,293 --> 00:44:08,133 - Thank you very much. 922 00:44:08,126 --> 00:44:08,956 - Yeah. - Good to see you again. 923 00:44:08,959 --> 00:44:09,789 - You, too. 924 00:44:09,792 --> 00:44:10,942 How do you feel? 925 00:44:10,944 --> 00:44:11,784 - Feel really good. 926 00:44:11,777 --> 00:44:12,607 - Bit nervous? 927 00:44:12,610 --> 00:44:13,440 - Well, a little bit nervous, 928 00:44:13,443 --> 00:44:15,023 but I'm more excited than anything. 929 00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:17,150 - [Mike] Hi, Anthony. 930 00:44:17,153 --> 00:44:17,993 - How are you going? 931 00:44:17,986 --> 00:44:18,816 - How are you mate? 932 00:44:18,819 --> 00:44:19,649 - Very well. 933 00:44:19,652 --> 00:44:20,492 - Thank you for coming. 934 00:44:20,485 --> 00:44:22,005 Anthony Griffiths, Leo Kennedy. 935 00:44:22,014 --> 00:44:22,884 - Hi, Leo. - Leo, Anthony. 936 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,030 - Hi, Anthony. 937 00:44:24,025 --> 00:44:24,855 How are you going? 938 00:44:24,858 --> 00:44:25,688 - Very well. 939 00:44:25,691 --> 00:44:26,521 - Good to meet you. 940 00:44:26,524 --> 00:44:28,324 - Anthony, how does it feel to be here? 941 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,110 - Well, I always find it very eerie. 942 00:44:30,110 --> 00:44:32,770 Which, we don't come here very often for that exact reason. 943 00:44:32,770 --> 00:44:34,430 Thinking back to what actually took place here 944 00:44:34,433 --> 00:44:37,093 and you think, ooh, gives you shivers. 945 00:44:37,090 --> 00:44:38,590 - [Mike] And to be here with Leo? 946 00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:40,340 - Yeah, it makes it pretty special. 947 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,320 I don't imagine there's many occasions 948 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,680 when the two sides, so to speak, 949 00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:47,729 have been in one spot, at this spot at the same time. 950 00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:48,560 - Yeah. 951 00:44:48,563 --> 00:44:51,623 - It's cast a very long shadow on everyone involved. 952 00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:52,450 - Yes. 953 00:44:52,453 --> 00:44:54,593 And I think that's what a lot of people don't know. 954 00:44:54,592 --> 00:44:56,812 They get a lot of myths and a lot of tourism, 955 00:44:56,810 --> 00:45:00,140 but they don't know impacts on families. 956 00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:02,740 - They forget the fact that all the people involved 957 00:45:02,739 --> 00:45:03,999 are people. 958 00:45:03,998 --> 00:45:04,828 - People, yes. 959 00:45:04,831 --> 00:45:06,671 - Ordinary people. 960 00:45:06,671 --> 00:45:07,781 They're not myths and they're not just in books, 961 00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:08,840 they're people, yeah. 962 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,240 - Yeah and we all care about our families 963 00:45:12,227 --> 00:45:13,967 and we often wonder what was it like 964 00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:15,310 for people on the other side. 965 00:45:15,310 --> 00:45:16,800 - Yeah, exactly. 966 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,670 - Yeah. 967 00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:21,240 - It's interesting that you two have never met 968 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,080 and yet, just hearing you speak now. 969 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,490 You have so much in common. 970 00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:26,620 Join me, please. 971 00:45:26,618 --> 00:45:27,448 Come along. 972 00:45:27,451 --> 00:45:28,451 - After you. 973 00:45:29,470 --> 00:45:31,380 - [Mike] It's time for the descendants 974 00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:33,040 to meet the "Lawless" team. 975 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,630 We sort of call this our tent headquarters. 976 00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:39,700 Their mission was to try to uncover new evidence 977 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:43,390 about what really happened here almost 140 years ago. 978 00:45:43,393 --> 00:45:44,233 - Great to meet you. 979 00:45:44,226 --> 00:45:45,596 Look at those Kelly eyes! 980 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,020 Wow, they've got the sparkle. 981 00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:49,830 - [Mike] Key question: Was Ned Kelly acting in 982 00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:54,050 self-defense as he claimed, or was it calculated murder? 983 00:45:55,071 --> 00:45:56,921 (dramatic music) 984 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,370 So, Kiera, you've been researching, 985 00:45:58,370 --> 00:46:00,300 you've been testing, Adam, you've been digging. 986 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:01,210 What do you think happened? 987 00:46:01,210 --> 00:46:02,310 What have you found? 988 00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:04,610 - Well, the question we started off with was 989 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:05,940 what really happened? 990 00:46:07,515 --> 00:46:08,495 But before we got to that we had to find out 991 00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:09,760 where it happened, 992 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,110 to pinpoint the exact location 993 00:46:12,110 --> 00:46:15,260 of where this ambush occurred in 1878. 994 00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:17,130 And it's right in front of us, 995 00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:21,930 in amongst all these picnic tables and barbecues. 996 00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:24,290 We've managed to put this mystery to bed 997 00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:28,060 and map, for the first time, the exact movements 998 00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:29,710 of people during this gun battle. 999 00:46:31,870 --> 00:46:34,850 - [Mike] Through LiDAR imaging and Adam's discovery 1000 00:46:34,850 --> 00:46:39,320 of the hut, we can now place the police camp here. 1001 00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:43,240 Perhaps Kelly had not intended to kill 1002 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,480 when he and his gang went in, 1003 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,190 but they were clearly armed. 1004 00:46:48,145 --> 00:46:50,645 (tense music) 1005 00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:55,310 Kelly said he fired a single shot 1006 00:46:55,310 --> 00:46:59,200 and killed Constable Lonigan in self-defense. 1007 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,130 We discovered one shot from his gun 1008 00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:05,320 could have resulted in multiple wounds. 1009 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,630 But Lonigan's thigh wound remains a mystery. 1010 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:16,610 But it's what happened next that challenges 1011 00:47:16,610 --> 00:47:19,400 any claim of acting in self-defense. 1012 00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:22,520 Instead of making a run for it, 1013 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,600 Kelly decided to take Constable McIntyre prisoner 1014 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,290 and lie in wait for the other policemen. 1015 00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:33,260 - Ned Kelly and the boys could have just 1016 00:47:33,260 --> 00:47:37,090 melted away into this landscape, but they didn't. 1017 00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:39,750 They chose to escalate the situation. 1018 00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:42,760 They chose to confront the police. 1019 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,890 And so Ned Kelly's later claim 1020 00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:49,220 that he fired in self-defense, for me, 1021 00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:50,680 doesn't have any credibility. 1022 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,860 - [Mike] According to McIntyre's testimony, 1023 00:47:54,860 --> 00:47:57,780 Constable Scanlon is killed before he could 1024 00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:59,330 draw his weapon. 1025 00:47:59,330 --> 00:48:01,780 And as McIntyre flees the scene, 1026 00:48:01,780 --> 00:48:04,880 he sees Kelly go after Sergeant Kennedy. 1027 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,140 Kelly admitted he shot Sergeant Kennedy 1028 00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:13,260 as he ran through the bush. 1029 00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:16,030 Any chance for Kennedy to survive the attack 1030 00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:20,240 was denied when Kelly chose to fire that final, 1031 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,910 fatal shot. 1032 00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:25,960 So was this an act of mercy, as Kelly later claimed? 1033 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,820 - No matter what way you look at it, 1034 00:48:30,820 --> 00:48:34,030 here's a defenseless, unarmed man who's been wounded, 1035 00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:36,350 who's shot at pretty close range with a shotgun 1036 00:48:36,350 --> 00:48:37,280 through the chest. 1037 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,800 To me, that's got the hallmarks of execution. 1038 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,550 - Well, execution doesn't ring very well 1039 00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:43,490 with anybody, does it? 1040 00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:44,320 - [Roger] No. 1041 00:48:44,323 --> 00:48:46,833 - But um, I think they are some of the facts 1042 00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:49,830 that it's hard to know positively what happened. 1043 00:48:49,830 --> 00:48:53,770 There's no doubt Sergeant Kennedy ended up deceased. 1044 00:48:53,770 --> 00:48:55,050 That's a fact. 1045 00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:57,780 The exact circumstances that led to that, 1046 00:48:57,780 --> 00:48:59,650 only the people who were there will ever know 1047 00:48:59,650 --> 00:49:01,970 and none of those are here to tell us. 1048 00:49:01,968 --> 00:49:03,248 - Kiera, if I can go to you. 1049 00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:05,590 Ned Kelly: hero or villain? 1050 00:49:05,590 --> 00:49:07,280 - How has he become an Australian legend 1051 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,500 when he's murdered three policemen? 1052 00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:12,160 And to me, the answer lies in the broader context, 1053 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,430 looking at Kelly from his childhood 1054 00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:15,670 through to the trial years 1055 00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:18,420 and you see a person who could captivate 1056 00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:20,550 and who was considered charismatic 1057 00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:22,850 as well as unpredictable and violent 1058 00:49:22,850 --> 00:49:24,650 and bloody-minded. 1059 00:49:24,654 --> 00:49:26,724 And it's that contradiction that makes him 1060 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,160 like a kind of rough diamond, full of different dimensions 1061 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,130 that you can hold up to the light and see 1062 00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:34,840 ever changing, mercurial different sorts of perspectives. 1063 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,870 I think he was a villain here, 1064 00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:38,430 but he was not always a villain, 1065 00:49:38,430 --> 00:49:41,350 and many people saw his actions as heroic. 1066 00:49:41,350 --> 00:49:44,070 There were people who lived on the fringes of the law 1067 00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:46,640 that felt that he was standing up and a hero for them. 1068 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,830 - I don't accept him as being a hero. 1069 00:49:48,830 --> 00:49:50,010 I dispute that. 1070 00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:52,330 A person who murders people is not a hero, 1071 00:49:52,330 --> 00:49:54,400 that's not an example to others 1072 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,540 and it's a constant source of wonderment to me 1073 00:49:57,540 --> 00:50:00,840 and disappointment that he has got this 1074 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,870 supposed hero status. 1075 00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:06,890 And I think a lot of it is Australia is looking for heroes. 1076 00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:09,760 A lot of people were touched by the acts of four men. 1077 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,930 It didn't start here and it hasn't ended here 1078 00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:15,020 and that's the sad truth of it. 1079 00:50:15,020 --> 00:50:16,890 - The Kelly stone dropped in a big pool 1080 00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:18,660 and the ripple spread along wide 1081 00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:21,990 and it's had a tragic impact on a whole range of families 1082 00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:24,520 on both sides of the debate. 1083 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,760 It's nice to see this sort of work going on 1084 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,260 to get to the facts. 1085 00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:31,240 Because that way there's both a factual debate, 1086 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,030 but also a respectful debate, 1087 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:34,780 that everybody can recognize, well, yes, 1088 00:50:34,780 --> 00:50:37,940 these things happened and um, 1089 00:50:37,935 --> 00:50:39,535 they'll pay their respects, too. 1090 00:50:41,286 --> 00:50:43,756 (tense music) 1091 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,730 - [Mike] Ned Kelly has come to symbolize bravery, 1092 00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:50,670 loyalty, and the epic struggle of the underdog. 1093 00:50:50,670 --> 00:50:53,020 Yet, as we examine the evidence, 1094 00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:55,960 we can see Australia's most famous outlaw 1095 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,140 in a different, clearer light. 1096 00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:03,100 And we remember the policemen killed in their line of duty 1097 00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,020 at Stringybark Creek. 1098 00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:09,470 Theirs is the other, almost forgotten side 1099 00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:11,960 of this infamous, lawless tale. 1100 00:51:13,015 --> 00:51:15,515 (tense music) 1101 00:51:18,939 --> 00:51:21,519 ♪ You say I am a murderer ♪ 1102 00:51:21,523 --> 00:51:24,433 ♪ You'd kill me in my sleep ♪ 1103 00:51:24,432 --> 00:51:27,212 ♪ Hide behind that policeman's badge ♪ 1104 00:51:27,206 --> 00:51:30,326 ♪ And grip your judge's hand ♪ 1105 00:51:30,329 --> 00:51:33,149 ♪ I'll hunt you down and cut you up ♪ 1106 00:51:33,147 --> 00:51:37,307 ♪ We'll see whose judgment stands ♪